From starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE Wed Mar 3 11:42:49 1993 From: starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Per Starb{ck) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 93 11:42:49 +0100 Subject: Race to a diamond mine Message-ID: <9303031042.AA21876@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE> Here is a letter originally sent to Gladstone, but as they couldn't answer it they sent it along to NAFS(k) among others, and here it is for you to ponder. Anyone recognize this story? ! Sirs: ! ! I have a quest which is personally very important for me. I am ! looking for a certain $crooge McDuck comic---but I don't know the ! issue number, the date or even the picture on the cover. ! ! It concerns a race to a diamond mine in Africa. $crooge, Donald and ! the boys encounter military apes, explore the ruins of an ancient ! village, and finally end up accidentally exploding the volcanic ! mountain where the diamond mine is located. ! ! Cost (within reason!) is not an object, and I don't care if it is a ! reprint or an original. ! ! If you have this comic, please contact me and tell me the price. ! ! If you don't have it at present, could you please give me any ! information about the issue number, date etc.---or tell me how I could ! get this information. ! ! I really need this comic! (Even a xerox) ! ! Thank-you, ! ! Edith Crocker ! 2300 Joshua Circle ! Middletown, OH 45044, USA From starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE Wed Mar 3 11:54:25 1993 From: starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Per Starb{ck) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 93 11:54:25 +0100 Subject: Gladstone again Message-ID: <9303031054.AA22260@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE> As reported before, Gladstone will take over the Disney comic books in the USA. They will keep publishing Donald Duck Adventures (starting with #21), Walt Disney's Comics and Stories (#586) and Uncle Scrooge (#281), all dated May, 1993. Then in June Donald Duck, Donald and Mickey, and Uncle Scrooge Adventures will re-appear. All six titles will be bimonthly. -- " Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se "Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!" From torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Wed Mar 3 18:19:49 1993 From: torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1993 11:19:49 -0600 (CST) Subject: Gladstone again In-Reply-To: <9303031054.AA22260@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Mar 1993, Per Starb{ck wrote: > As reported before, Gladstone will take over the Disney comic books in > the USA. They will keep publishing Donald Duck Adventures (starting > with #21), Walt Disney's Comics and Stories (#586) and Uncle Scrooge > (#281), all dated May, 1993. Then in June Donald Duck, Donald and > Mickey, and Uncle Scrooge Adventures will re-appear. All six titles > will be bimonthly. For all of you indexers out there, Gladstone will be using the numbering that ended when Disney started publishing. It's kind of confusing, but look out for the numbers. Also, Gladstone has acknowledged that Mickey and Donald will be retitled Donald and Mickey because Donald sells more comics. As a person who despises the "post-lobotomy" Mickey Mouse, this is refreshing. The current WDC&S contains the second half of a Saludos Amigos storyline by Walt Kelly. It also contains the second half of an unprinted Gottfredsen (sp?) strip that has been colored. I have not read much of these strips, but have heard fans and experts rave about them, especially this storyline. The only criticism is that the strips are too small. Did everyone see the cover story on Gladstone in a recent issue of the Comics Buyer's Guide? There was an interview with Rosa and another duck artist whose name escapes me. I'll snail mail (paper) copies to anyone who wants them. Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl Thu Mar 4 17:54:58 1993 From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks) Date: 04 Mar 1993 17:54:58 +0100 Subject: Gladstone again Message-ID: <199303041654.AA23092@athena.research.ptt.nl> " (yes, there's a " on this line 8-) Per Starback wrote: > As reported before, Gladstone will take over the Disney comic books in > the USA. (...) and Torsten Adair wrote: > For all of you indexers out there, Gladstone will be using the > numbering that ended when Disney started publishing. It's kind of > confusing, but look out for the numbers. What about the paper quality and prices? Will Gladstone go back to the old 'quality', or retain the excellent (and expensive) quality of the Disney comics? > The current WDC&S contains the second half of a Saludos Amigos > storyline by Walt Kelly. It also contains the second half of an unprinted > Gottfredsen (sp?) strip that has been colored. Gottfredson. The story is about an island in the sky. > I have not read much of > these strips, but have heard fans and experts rave about them, especially > this storyline. Yes, the experts are right: the old stories from about 1935 to 1940 are very good indeed! --Harry. Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak PTT Research, Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl "Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!" From rich.bellacera at amail.amdahl.com Sat Mar 6 07:26:00 1993 From: rich.bellacera at amail.amdahl.com (rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com) Date: Saturday, 6 March 1993 07:26 PT Subject: Marsupilami & Aladdin in comics Message-ID: For those interested according to Preview magazine the whacky critter from Disney's "RAW TOONAGE" will be starring in his own regular feature in DISNEY ADVENTURES magazine starting soon. I think in May. Marsupilami, of course, will probably NOT be featured the same as he originally did in comics, but will probably parallel Disney's own "re-creation" of the critter. Probably teaming him up with Maurice, and continue using Norman as the butt of the joke. This will personally disappoint me. I'd really like to see Disney develop his character in comics, maybe give us some insight into him and his species. The cartoon is usually relegated to a series of gags. :-( Marsupilami has been a regular character appearing in the back of the last four issues of D.A. in the section for games. His tail was used as a maze, his name as a descrambler, and others. I think Marsupilami is a great character with lots of potential...all of which is going to waste in the "gag" format. Don't get me wrong, gags are perfect for him, but I'd really like to see more. I'd also like to see Disney or even Gladstone reprint some of the classic Marsupilami comics for the American population to peruse. Aladdin has also begun seeing print in comics. A couple months ago Disney printed the "Movie" into a graphic format, and now they've released the first of a two-part story which takes place immediately following the movie's story (e.g. Alladin & Jasmine are bored with palacial life). Since Aladdin is due to premier on the Disney Afternoon in the Fall of 1994 I wonder if this story is the first tale from that same series? Also, Aladdin has appeared in Disney Adventures which means this current comic will probably also see print in that magazine eventually (others have). As far as Disney Adventures comics go it seem that the bulk of them are being reprinted in Disney's Colossal Collection pretty regularly. The prime acceptions to this being all Roger Rabbit stories. Goof Troop reprints have begun appearing in C.C. as the Darkwing Duck tales have been doing for the past year. One good thing though, I think that since Chip'n Dale Rescue Rangers, Ducktales, Tail Spin, Darkwing Duck and Goof Troop have all been seeing print in D.A. and then moving to C.C. it only goes to reason that the other Disney Afternoon features coming up (BONKERS!, ALADDIN, and DUCK DAZE) will eventually see print in Disney Adventures, also. I can't wait to see Fawn Deer in print. ;-) It seems to me that with the exception of an occasional Mickey Mouse or Roger Rabbit tale, Disney Adventures is dedicated to Disney Television Animation, as is Colossal Collection. C.C. has also seen reprints of THE LITTLE MERMAID tales which came out in comics about a year ago. TLM is currently running on Saturday Morning TV. I wonder if any Winnie the Pooh or Wuzzles or even Gummi Bears stories will ever see print in D.A. or C.C.? One cool thing of note is that about a year ago I wrote to the staff at Disney Comics (they even printed my letter in the letters column in WDC&S) where I requested they reprint some of their classic animated features like "The Brave Little Tailor" and that they start new features for "Disney Babies" and "Minnie'n Me". So far they've begun reprinting said classics and have run one of the Disney Baby features. According to their answer there in a French magazine "Le Mickey" or something (I don't have my copy of the issue with me) where they said Disney Babies have been runnig for some time now. Are there any Disneyphiles from France on this mailing list that might know anything about this? See ya. -Rich --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Have you ever had one of those days where you lose your home, your best buddy-boy, and your favorite appendage?" -Marsupilami (Raw Toonage) From jamal at silver.lcs.mit.edu Sat Mar 6 22:36:30 1993 From: jamal at silver.lcs.mit.edu (Jamal Hannah) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 93 16:36:30 EST Subject: Marsupilami... In-Reply-To: ; from "rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com" at Mar 6, 93 07:26:00 am Message-ID: <9303062136.AA22559@silver.lcs.mit.edu> Marsupilami is a French made character, isnt he? That was what came to my mind when I 1st saw him. Kind of made me wonder just how many different characters Disney is trying to liscence for their own use (the Muppets, etc) .. Is this good? Well, thats a different subject. Anyway.. was Marsupilami made by Peyo? The guy who created the smurfs? Or was it someone else? - JH From rich.bellacera at amail.amdahl.com Sat Mar 6 15:13:00 1993 From: rich.bellacera at amail.amdahl.com (rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com) Date: Saturday, 6 March 1993 15:13 PT Subject: Marsupilami... Message-ID: > From: jamal at juts > Marsupilami is a French made character, isnt he? That was what came > to my mind when I 1st saw him. Kind of made me wonder just how many > different characters Disney is trying to liscence for their own use > (the Muppets, etc) .. Is this good? Well, thats a different subject. > Anyway.. was Marsupilami made by Peyo? The guy who created the smurfs? > Or was it someone else? > - JH Sorry, but I think there are some more able-minded comics fans who can answer your queries. Rest assured that you are not hallucinating over Mars' origin, however. He is definitely one-and-the same of Spirou & Fantasio fame. As to what country his comics originated, I don't know. I was under the impression he was from Sweden or Denmark, but he was definitely from Europa. The characters of Spirou & Fantasio do not exist in Disney's version on RAW TOONAGE. Marsupilami has been established to be both his "name" and his "species" on the show as he seems to use it interchangably. His longtime companion (since infanthood) is his simian friend the ape Maurice. And, his longtime adversary is the human, Norman. Apparently Mars' happy-go-lucky attitude about life has kept him naive to Norman's villianous tendancies toward him. The most outstanding feature of both the show and the character himself is Mars' prehensile tail which is so amazing it can do and be almost anything. That is the extent of my knowledge of the critter in the Disney format. So exactly who are Spirou & Fantasio. I know they are suppose to be humans who have somehow made a pet of Mars, but what function in Mars' life do they serve? Norman is usually depicted as an explorer or pilfer of the jungles where Mars lives. Though, on occassion Norman has appeared as a bellhop, a witch doctor, a hockey player, an ice cream man, and a mad scientist. Personaly, I don't care for Norman, but I guess he gives Mars "purpose" for whatever plot the Disney staff throws at the critter. While I really like Mars, and hope to soon own a plush version of him, I think Maurice is wonderfully disgusting. Maurice is about as close to Ren & Stimpy as I would guess Disney will ever get. Maurice is constantly in "stimpy-mode" acting extremely stupid and disgusting at the same time. Just lovely. ;-) In fact the cartoon makes me wonder if Marsupilami & Maurice is Disney's subtle attempt to capitolize on the running gags of Ren & Stimpy without getting as vulgar as that show tends to be. In fact, from what I understand, Disney is adding two characters, Snookums & Meat, to their showcase features for Raw Toonage. An with names like that they are probably going to further exploit the realm of the disgusting. I like that...something that should be done with Raw Toonage's current lack-luster feature called "Totally Tasteless Videos." That segment has rarely had anything of the "tasteless" realm, and usually tends toward the "totally boring" side. If anyone can vouch for the creator of Mars being the same as the Smurfs I think that would be a worthwhile peice of info. I thought the "Smurfs" were far to saccharine for my tastes, but the trivia would be interesting. -Rich From jamal at silver.lcs.mit.edu Sun Mar 7 01:04:19 1993 From: jamal at silver.lcs.mit.edu (Jamal Hannah) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 93 19:04:19 EST Subject: Marsupilami, Ren&Stimpy, etc. In-Reply-To: ; from "rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com" at Mar 6, 93 03:13:00 pm Message-ID: <9303070004.AA23939@silver.lcs.mit.edu> > While I really like Mars, and hope to soon own a plush version of him, I think > Maurice is wonderfully disgusting. Maurice is about as close to Ren & Stimpy > as I would guess Disney will ever get. Maurice is constantly in "stimpy-mode" > acting extremely stupid and disgusting at the same time. Just lovely. ;-) > In fact the cartoon makes me wonder if Marsupilami & Maurice is Disney's > subtle attempt to capitolize on the running gags of Ren & Stimpy without > getting as vulgar as that show tends to be. In fact, from what I understand, > Disney is adding two characters, Snookums & Meat, to their showcase features > for Raw Toonage. An with names like that they are probably going to further > exploit the realm of the disgusting. I like that...something that should be > done with Raw Toonage's current lack-luster feature called "Totally Tasteless > Videos." That segment has rarely had anything of the "tasteless" realm, and > usually tends toward the "totally boring" side. > > If anyone can vouch for the creator of Mars being the same as the Smurfs I > think that would be a worthwhile peice of info. I thought the "Smurfs" were > far to saccharine for my tastes, but the trivia would be interesting. > > -Rich > The appeal of Ren & Stimpy was, I think, spacific to the idiosyncratic talents of the creator/director John Kricfilusi [sp], who's work was somehow somewhat subliminally bizzare, touching a nerve with it's timing & satire of life in general. The newer episodes, directed by Bob Camp, are just as "discusting", but just not as good as the older shows.. call me a purist, but for the most part I think it's the director who makes the flavor of a story or characters enjoyable or not. I mean, Carl Barks and Walt Kelly were enjoyable not just because of the artwork or characters alone, but the writing and "attitude" of the comics they did as well, I think, had appeal for people. (strips like Lil' Abner & Ally Oop had pretty good artwork, but dont seem quite as popular as the others.) Every time something artistically ground-breaking comes out, I see companies scrambling to imitate aspects of said comic or animation such as the violence or "grossness" content, number of futuristic weapons, glossy look, recognizable characters, and so on. I'm still wondering when companies like Disney will get it through their heads that it's the creator/director that is pretty much the key element. If Disney pulls off a success with some characters resembling Ren & Stimpy, I dont think it will be because they resemble them in some direct way.. more likly because the stories are engauging, topical, and the characters believable. I suppose "formulas" work to the extent that there may be a market created for a spacific topic that is "hot" at the time, but a really good, origional writer/director cant really be created from thin air. They are somewhat rare. To give an example, I like Don Rosa as a "Barks imitator" considerably more than Freddie Milton, mostly because Don clearly puts something of himself into his work that ads a sort of adventersome spice to it. Freddie's "Gnuff" stories just didnt strike me as being as engauging, even though they were both people heavily inspired by Barks. Anyone else share that impression? As for who created the Smurfs, it was some guy named "Peyo" who also made some characters called the "Swoofs" I think.. the may have been French, and I think he died just this last December. (I used to read smurf graphic novels years ago.. they were a heck of a lot more interesting than the TV show, which actualy had it's moments, however few..) -JH From Hannes.Faestermann at Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE Sun Mar 7 10:12:44 1993 From: Hannes.Faestermann at Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Hannes.Faestermann@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE) Date: Sun, 07 Mar 93 10:12:44 +0100 Subject: Marsupilami etc. Message-ID: <199303070912.AA10387@srv.cip.physik.tu-muenchen.de> Hi there, just a few remarks to the Marsupilami etc. The Marsupilami was created by Andre Franquin, the same artist who created Spirou & Fantasio. In fact, the Marsupilami appeared in one of the Spirou comics first. After Franquin retired from the Spirou series (which was drawn by different artists after that, until it finally went to the hands of Tome & Janry, who do a very good job) he refused to give the rights for it away. Just 1 or 2 years ago he accepted that a young artist - Batem - should create a new series based on the Marsupilami alone. Anyone who wants to know more about that should send me a personal email. I will be cut off from the net for at least 2-3 weeks as I just got a new job without internet access. So it will be a while before answers will arrive. This is the reason why I won't be able for at least the next 4 weeks to do anything for the Gladstone index :(( C U in a few weeks Hannes From starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE Sun Mar 7 16:06:23 1993 From: starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Per Starb{ck) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 93 16:06:23 +0100 Subject: This and that, like distribution of list members and Marsipulami Message-ID: <9303071506.AA25203@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE> About that story with a diamond mine and an explosion: Harry: > I guess it's a USA story of the late 60s, not long before they started > reprints-only. That sounds very probable, but I really haven't the faintest. It's really frustrating looking for a story you don't remember particularly well. If someone on the list have a long-lost story like that, please go ahead and ask about it. Maybe someone can give a pointer to it. Thanks for Dutch Barks index, Harry! I've made a dutch/ subdirectory on the ftp server like the swedish/ one and put it there. >From where are we? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rich: > According to their answer there in a French magazine "Le Mickey" or > something (I don't have my copy of the issue with me) where they > said Disney Babies have been runnig for some time now. Are there > any Disneyphiles from France on this mailing list that might know > anything about this? Probably not, judging by the email addresses, but the readership is getting a little more international all the time, so maybe soon... Here is the distribution of the current disney-comics members: Sweden 17 Denmark 2 Norway 1 The Netherlands 3 Germany 1 Spain 1 (Europe 25) USA 18 (edu 12, com 4, gov 2) Canada 1 (North America 19) Brazil 1 New Zealand 1 (total sum: 46) Marsupilami, the Smurfs, and other French/Belgian comics ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Well, I don't look upon Marsupilami as a Disney character, but I guess he is nowadays, at least in the US. Jamal: > Kind of made me wonder just how many different characters Disney is > trying to liscence for their own use (the Muppets, etc) Of course Disney's "always" made existing characters into Disney characters (like Snow White, Baloo, Winnie-the-Pooh, etc), but I think it's not quite the same thing when they use characters that already were cartoon characters or from the comics. I can accept e.g., Winnie-the-Pooh as a Disney character even though I love the *real* Winnie-the-Pooh, as I look upon them as more or less different characters, but I think that would be harder if they both were used in the same medium, e.g., comics. Rich: > So exactly who are Spirou & Fantasio. I know they are suppose to be humans > who have somehow made a pet of Mars, but what function in Mars' life do they > serve? Exactly that: pet owners. Spirou and Fantasio are the main characters and go around having adventures a la Tintin, and Marsupilami is mostly used for comic releaf, like another pet of Spirou, the squirrel Spip. There were some questions on the origin of Marsupilami, but Hannes has already answered that: > The Marsupilami was created by Andre Franquin, the same artist who created > Spirou & Fantasio. In fact, the Marsupilami appeared in one of the Spirou > comics first. Just a minor correction: Although Franquin did Spirou & Fantasio many years he didn't create those characters, but was only the third to work with them. The were created by Rob Vel 1938, and made by Joesph "Jij'e" Gillain since 1940, and then Franquin took it over in 1946. As for nationalities they are from Belgium, not France as Jamal thought. (It's *in* French though). (The same goes for Peyo who also was mentioned.) ObDisney: Franquin has said that the main influences on him and other comic artists in the flourishing post-war period in Belgium (Peyo, Morris, ...) were "Walt Disney" and Herg'e (of Tintin fame, also from Belgium). -- " Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se "Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!" From jamal at silver.lcs.mit.edu Sun Mar 7 17:12:12 1993 From: jamal at silver.lcs.mit.edu (Jamal Hannah) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 93 11:12:12 EST Subject: Belgian Artists/Cartoonists In-Reply-To: <9303071506.AA25203@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE>; from "Per Starb{ck" at Mar 7, 93 04:06:23 pm Message-ID: <9303071612.AA27776@silver.lcs.mit.edu> > ObDisney: Franquin has said that the main influences on him and other > comic artists in the flourishing post-war period in Belgium (Peyo, > Morris, ...) were "Walt Disney" and Herg'e (of Tintin fame, also from > Belgium). > -- " > Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se > "Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!" > Interesting.. So this is a Belgian Phenomenon. Dont forget "Attila Durgey" (sp?) from Belguim who did "Vuk", otherwise known as "The Little Fox".. which seemed, at some point, to have almost Disneylike popularity over there (they made some very nice stamps of the fox.) I wonder if the Fantasy artist Mobius is Belgian? And is the magazine "Metal Herlant" (Euro version of "Heavy Metal) Belgian too? (I seem to remember alot of subtle jokes about Disney characters in issues of "Metal Herlant, just to keep this relevant: mostly in the form of tributes by putting the characters in the background. However, I have seen far more tributes to Herge's work, and the occasional Europian Intelligencia complaint about Disney being too "kitschy"... Mad magazine used to do the same.) -JH From AREID at MARY.FORDHAM.EDU Mon Mar 8 03:16:40 1993 From: AREID at MARY.FORDHAM.EDU (Darin Reid) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1993 21:16:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: Gladstone and Rosa Message-ID: <731557000.180000.AREID@MARY.FORDHAM.EDU> So now that Gladstone is publishing Disney again, will Don Rosa do original works for them? About Mars: I don't really think every Disney comic character needs to be "developed". If Mars (I've never seen "Raw Toonage") is a gag character, why convert him? I think that we [Disney comics fans] have become so used to the adventure type story, led by The Ducks or MM, that we forget that this is Disney. Disney shouldn't try to turn every character into a Batman or even another duck. What I mean is, if you love adventure stories buy adventure books, we shouldn't try to turn sight gag characters into anything else... My $.02 - Darin -- Bitnet : Areid at Fordmulc __ _ __ Unix/AIX: Reid at Dsm.Fordham.Edu / ) ' ) ) / Vax/VMS : Areid at Mary.Fordham.Edu / / __. __ o ____ /--' _ o __/ DECnet : MARY::AREID /__/_(_/|_/ (_<_/ / <_ / \_ Are the various Disney indexes available via FTP? If they are, has Rec.Arts.Comics been notified? The address for disney-comics is there, BTW. Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl Mon Mar 8 09:51:09 1993 From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks) Date: 08 Mar 1993 09:51:09 +0100 Subject: "Le Mickey" Message-ID: <199303080851.AA06060@athena.research.ptt.nl> Rich Bellacera wrote: > I'd also like to see Disney or even > Gladstone reprint some of the classic Marsupilami comics for the American > population to peruse. I think you can compare the original Marsupilami comics with the original "Junglebook", "Winnie the Pooh" etc. I.e. they are quite different from what Disney made of them; only the character(s) is(are) the same (like Per already noted). Therefore, I don't expect Disney or Gladstone to reprint European (B e l g i a n) Marsupilami. > (...) the Disney Baby features. According to their answer there in a French > magazine "Le Mickey" or something (I don't have my copy of the issue with me) It's "Le Journal de Mickey". > where they said Disney Babies have been runnig for some time now. Are there > any Disneyphiles from France on this mailing list that might know anything > about this? Disney Babies have been a gag strip (one-page) for the last 10 years or so. Those french strips are sometimes reprinted in Holland. I think the strip is not only _about_ babies, but also _meant_for_ babies. > "Have you ever had one of those days where you lose your home, your best > buddy-boy, and your favorite appendage?" -Marsupilami (Raw Toonage) If I remember well, the Belgian Marsupilami can't talk (only say "Hooba")... Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak PTT Research, Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl "Yes, I've _heard_ of coral barques!" From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl Mon Mar 8 10:10:21 1993 From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks) Date: 08 Mar 1993 10:10:21 +0100 Subject: Belgian Artists/Cartoonists Message-ID: <199303080910.AA06529@athena.research.ptt.nl> Jamal Hannah wrote: > Dont forget "Attila Durgey" > (sp?) from Belguim who did "Vuk", otherwise known as "The Little Fox".. > which seemed, at some point, to have almost Disneylike popularity over > there (they made some very nice stamps of the fox.) I never heard of this one (neither the artist, nor the character), and I thought I knew a lot about Belgian comics... > I wonder if the Fantasy artist Mobius is Belgian? Moebius is the pseudonym of Jean Giraud. I'm quite sure he's French. > And is the magazine "Metal Herlant" (Euro version of "Heavy Metal) Belgian > too? And "Metal Hurlant" is French too. (and an answer to a not-yet-asked question: Asterix is French; Lucky Luke is Belgian/French, i.e. the artist [Morris] is Belgian, he started to work for a Belgian publisher, but later he and writer Goscinny switched to a French publisher.) So far about Disney comics. 8-) Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak PTT Research, Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl "Yes, I've _heard_ of coral barques!" From rich.bellacera at amail.amdahl.com Mon Mar 8 08:11:00 1993 From: rich.bellacera at amail.amdahl.com (rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com) Date: Monday, 8 March 1993 08:11 PT Subject: Romano Scarpa & Pete's Trudy Message-ID: Hi- I was reading the inside front cover of "Mickey and Donald" #6 (published by Gladstone, Oct 1988) and it was giving some background on Romano Scarpa. In this data it listed some of his creations for Mondadori Publishing as includinfg including Brigitta MacBridge, Uncle Scrooge's "fiancee"; Jubal Cock, a hustling rival of Old McDuck's; Atomino Bip-Bip, an enlarged atom who lived with Mickey for a while; Dickie Duck, Glittering Goldie's teen-age niece; and Trudy, Peg-leg Pete's partner in life and crime. Werer any of these characters continuing characteres or were they "one-shots" and if continuing, do you feel they are noteworthy enough to be listed in my listing of Disney Characters. I would also be interested in hearing whatever info you can provide about them. especially "Trudy." I had never heard that Pete had a partner other than a weasel who's only name I'd ever seen was also Weasel. Is Trudy (as the article seems to imply) Pete's "wife" in these Scarpa stories? Does anyone know of any comics in the U.S. that some stories depicting "her" may have appeared. I would assume that they may have been reprinted in Gladstone or Dell. Thanks -Rich From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl Mon Mar 8 18:25:05 1993 From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks) Date: 08 Mar 1993 18:25:05 +0100 Subject: Romano Scarpa & Pete's Trudy Message-ID: <199303081725.AA20129@athena.research.ptt.nl> Rich wrote: > I was reading the inside front cover of "Mickey and Donald" #6 (published by > Gladstone, Oct 1988) and it was giving some background on Romano Scarpa. In > this data it listed some of his creations for Mondadori Publishing I saw the next characters in at least 3 stories (so you could say they are 'recurring'): Brigitta MacBridge, Uncle Scrooge's "fiancee" (she appeared in one of the last Gladstone Uncle $crooge comics); Atomino Bip-Bip, an enlarged atom who lived with Mickey for a while. A lot of Italian stories are reprinted in Holland (and Germany, and Sweden, and..) in pocket books. > Is Trudy (as the article > seems to imply) Pete's "wife" in these Scarpa stories? Does anyone know of > any comics in the U.S. that some stories depicting "her" may have appeared. I > would assume that they may have been reprinted in Gladstone or Dell. Little chance that Dell/Gold Key or Whitman ever reprinted any Italian comic. Gladstone reprinted a few, but I don't think Trudy was in one of them. (Check out our Gladstone list for candidates!) --Harry. Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak PTT Research, Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl "Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!" From starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE Wed Mar 10 15:22:44 1993 From: starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Per Starb{ck) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 93 15:22:44 +0100 Subject: FTP sites? (and also about Marsupilami again) In-Reply-To: Torsten Wesley Adair's message of Sun, 7 Mar 1993 20:20:09 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <9303101422.AA01795@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE> Torsten: > Are the various Disney indexes available via FTP? If they are, > has Rec.Arts.Comics been notified? The address for disney-comics is > there, BTW. Sure they are. At ftp.lysator.liu.se:/pub/comics/disney. Disney-comics is mentioned in part 6 (Comics-related mailing lists) in the rec.arts.comics.info FAQ, because I sent information about it, but I haven't thought about getting the ftp archive mentioned in part 5 (e-mail/pft addresses). Thanks for the tip, I'll write the FAQ maintainer about it. For those of you without access to ftp: there is an ftp mail server at lysator (where the files are), so you can retrieve files from it by sending mail to ftpmail at lysator.liu.se. Use no Subject: header line, and put things like this in the body of the letter: CD pub/comics/disney DIR SEND gladstone.index QUIT Please use this service only if you can't use ftp directly. (Send HELP to ftpmail to get more information on how to use it.) And then, the obligatory :-) part about Belgian comics: Harry: > If I remember well, the Belgian Marsupilami can't talk (only say > "Hooba")... Actually Marsupilami can learn to repeat words like a parrot, much to the surprise of Spirou and Fantasio the first time he did it. -- " Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se "Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!" From starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE Thu Mar 11 12:54:28 1993 From: starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Per Starb{ck) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 93 12:54:28 +0100 Subject: Romano Scarpa & Pete's Trudy In-Reply-To: rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com's message of Monday, 8 March 1993 08:11 PT Message-ID: <9303111154.AA22303@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE> Rich wrote: > In this data it listed some of [Romano Scarpa's] creations for > Mondadori Publishing as includinfg including Brigitta MacBridge, > Uncle Scrooge's "fiancee"; Jubal Cock, a hustling rival of Old > McDuck's; Atomino Bip-Bip, an enlarged atom who lived with Mickey > for a while; Dickie Duck, Glittering Goldie's teen-age niece; and > Trudy, Peg-leg Pete's partner in life and crime. > > Werer any of these characters continuing characteres or were they > "one-shots" and if continuing, do you feel they are noteworthy > enough to be listed in my listing of Disney Characters. We now have an Italian subscriber to the list, so I guess he can give better answers, but I have seen at least Brigitta MacBridge and Trudy several times. If you're gonna include recurring Italian characters you should put Rockerduck there as well. He is created by Barks but Barks used him only in one story. The Italians have taken a fancy to him though, and use him very often as a rich rival of Scrooge's, much the same way as Barks and his followers use Flintheart Glomgold. By the way, what has happened to Italian Disney comics in later years? The latest thing I heard was that Mondadori lost their license to make Disney comics and that Disney took over the production themselves, in the same way that happened in the USA a couple of years later. Is that correct? What effect did that have on the stories? Did the same artists, e.g., Marco Rota, keep doing stories, but for Disney instead? -- " Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se "Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!" From bevilal at dsi.unimi.it Thu Mar 11 14:25:50 1993 From: bevilal at dsi.unimi.it (luigi bevilacqua) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 93 14:25:50 +0100 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <9303111325.AA01714@pluto.sm.dsi.unimi.it> ======================================== Hi, everybody. I'm very enjoyed to be here. So...now...let's talk about questions and Italian Disney material. Yes, in 1988 Disney Co. came in Italy and took over everything but just for NEWSTANDS. Library market is still under Mondadori. At the moment Disney is publishing: - Topolino (Mickey Mouse): a weekly digest magazine (the best selled comic in Italy, do you know? Over 700,000 copies a week!). Each issue has over 100 pages but not all are comic. Usually there are four stories and they are all NEW stories, written and drawn by Italian people. - Classici di Walt Disney (Walt Disney's classic stories): monthly magazine with an average of 200 pages, it contains reprintings from Topolino with no adds. - Grandi Classici di Walt Disney (Walt disney's great classic stories): another monthly magazine with an average of 400 pages and this also contais reprintings from Topolino with no adds. - Mega 2000 - Paperino Mese (Donald Duck monthly) both monthly, I don't know wery well these two series. I know that two years ago these magazine printed material from South America (Argentina, Brasil or so) but nothing from Europe. - Zio Paperone (Uncle Scrooge) monthly, are printed always Barks stories, with covers and articles about Barks. I never saw Italian version of Rosa's stories or anyone's material from Europe. It's true that in Italy there are many stories starring Brigitta and some with Trudy. Rockerduck is a very popular character, if in a story there are not Beagle Boys (Banda Bassotti in Italy) then there is Rockerduck. And now two very important news: 1) Have you seen a VERY VERY popular character, created in Italy, called PAPERINIK? Do you know who is he? Do you know there is PAPERINIKA (female version) too? (They are not questions, of course, I know everything) 2) Some years ago was printed in Italy (by Disney administration) a story where Mickey Mouse GOT MARRIED!!!!!!!! And bride was NOT Minnie !!!!!!!! After a week Disney U.S.A. went hangry, every issue not sold were retired and destroyed. It's been decided this story will never printed again, in any part of the world!! Are you interested about it? Do you want to know more? Luigi (bevilal at ghost.dsi.unimi.it) From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl Thu Mar 11 17:17:49 1993 From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks) Date: 11 Mar 1993 17:17:49 +0100 Subject: Marco Rota, or: What happened in Italy (Re: Per) Message-ID: <199303111617.AA17293@athena.research.ptt.nl> Per wrote: > By the way, what has happened to Italian Disney comics in later years? > The latest thing I heard was that Mondadori lost their license to make > Disney comics and that Disney took over the production themselves, in > the same way that happened in the USA a couple of years later. Is > that correct? What effect did that have on the stories? Did the same > artists, e.g., Marco Rota, keep doing stories, but for Disney instead? A few weeks ago, Dutch Donald Duck containted a Marco Rota story, D-coded. On the first panel, there was a little copy of the Copenhagen mermaid statue. I think this was Rota's way to indicate his first "Danish" story. However, there have been other Rota stories with a D-code... maybe they were indicents, while Rota is now working for Egmont regularly? Does anyone know when Rota started Disney comics, and which stories he made? I know of a few very special stories, reprinted in Holland. Some about "MacDonald and Little Crack" (England in the middle ages), two about Donald as a suburban worker, one "Danish" time machine story, and some more. --Harry. From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl Thu Mar 11 17:26:02 1993 From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks) Date: 11 Mar 1993 17:26:02 +0100 Subject: Hi Luigi Message-ID: <199303111626.AA17535@athena.research.ptt.nl> luigi bevilacqua wrote: > Hi, everybody. > I'm very enjoyed to be here. Hi, Luigi! You're very welcome. I've stated more than once the last months that we needed an Italian on this list, and now we have one! > And now two very important news: > > 1) > Have you seen a VERY VERY popular character, created in Italy, > called PAPERINIK? Do you know who is he? > Do you know there is PAPERINIKA (female version) too? > (They are not questions, of course, I know everything) Could this be the (quasi) super hero that looks a lot like Donald (In Germany he is called Phantomias, in Holland Fantomerik) ? > 2) > Some years ago was printed in Italy (by Disney administration) a story where > Mickey Mouse GOT MARRIED!!!!!!!! And bride was NOT Minnie !!!!!!!! > After a week Disney U.S.A. went hangry, every issue not sold were retired > and destroyed. > It's been decided this story will never printed again, in any part > of the world!! > Are you interested about it? Do you want to know more? Well, who _was_ the bride, then? And were they still married at the end of the story? --Harry. Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak PTT Research, Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl "Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!" From hellman at cyber.proxxi.uf.se Thu Mar 11 19:20:33 1993 From: hellman at cyber.proxxi.uf.se (H}kan 'scratch' Hellman) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 93 19:20:33 MET Subject: "Le Mickey" In-Reply-To: <199303080851.AA06060@athena.research.ptt.nl>; from "Harry Fluks" at Mar 8, 93 9:51 am Message-ID: > If I remember well, the Belgian Marsupilami can't talk (only say "Hooba")... Actually, he *can* talk, but only as a parrot can talk. ie repeating learned phrases. Steamboat Willie From bevilal at hp1.sm.dsi.unimi.it Fri Mar 12 11:21:14 1993 From: bevilal at hp1.sm.dsi.unimi.it (luigi bevilacqua) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 93 11:21:14 +0100 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <9303121021.AA12012@hp1.sm.dsi.unimi.it> ======================================== Hi, Today I noticed a strange thing. In file there is not "Giorgio Cavazzano". Anyone of you knows him? That's why...oh, well... he's my favorite artist; and not because he's Italian. See you ,ehrr not... Listen to you next Monday, Bye! Luigi (bevilal at ghost.dsi.unimi.it) From starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE Fri Mar 12 12:49:15 1993 From: starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Per Starb{ck) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 93 12:49:15 +0100 Subject: Paperinik & Giorgio Cavazzano In-Reply-To: luigi bevilacqua's message of Fri, 12 Mar 93 11:21:14 +0100 <9303121021.AA12012@hp1.sm.dsi.unimi.it> Message-ID: <9303121149.AA17148@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE> Luigi: > Have you seen a VERY VERY popular character, created in Italy, > called PAPERINIK? Do you know who is he? > Do you know there is PAPERINIKA (female version) too? > (They are not questions, of course, I know everything) Harry: > Could this be the (quasi) super hero that looks a lot like Donald (In Germany > he is called Phantomias, in Holland Fantomerik) ? Not only looks like, but he *is* Donald, wearing a costume. And, like Super Goof noone suspects who he is, even though he looks the same and has almost the same name (Paperino -- Paperinik). In Swedish he is called Stl-Kalle, i.e., Super Donald! I've seen Daisy as a kind of super hero to, so I guess that's who Paperinika is. Luigi: > Today I noticed a strange thing. > In file there is not "Giorgio Cavazzano". That's not so strange. That file is only supposed to be a legend for the various indexes we have, not a complete list of everyone who's made stories for Disney, and there are almost no Italian stories there at all. BTW, I don't know about him at all. -- " Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se "Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!" From bevilal at hp1.sm.dsi.unimi.it Mon Mar 15 14:21:04 1993 From: bevilal at hp1.sm.dsi.unimi.it (luigi bevilacqua) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 93 14:21:04 +0100 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <9303151321.AA22579@hp1.sm.dsi.unimi.it> ===================================== Hi, -Subject: USA news Gladstone will be back! April will be the last shipping month for most disney series. Disney will continue to publish only DuckTales Magazine. Here Gladstone program is: May: Donald Duck Adventures#21 Walt Disney's comics & stories#586 (maybe Rosa cover) Uncle Scrooge#281 (maybe Rosa cover) June: Donald Duck#280 Donald & Mickey#1 Uncle Scrooge Adventure#22 Each series will be bi-monthly, $1.50 priced. Note DDA, DD, D&M and USA issue numbers. Of course Carl Barks WDC&S volumes are going on. I can discover what May issues will contain, if you need. Bye! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | TH...TH...THAT'S ALL, FOLKS! Luigi | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From carlsens at nki.no Mon Mar 15 16:11:09 1993 From: carlsens at nki.no (CARLSEN STEIN 3P) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 93 16:11:09 +0100 Subject: unsubscribe Message-ID: <9303151511.AA28869@nki.no> please unsubscribe carlsens at nki.no unsubscribe carlsens at gaya.nki.no From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl Fri Mar 19 12:32:53 1993 From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks) Date: 19 Mar 1993 12:32:53 +0100 Subject: USA news (Re: Luigi) + story codes Message-ID: <199303191132.AA11432@athena.research.ptt.nl> > Gladstone will be back! > April will be the last shipping month for most disney series. > Disney will continue to publish only DuckTales Magazine. ..and Disney Adventures? ----x---- I have another question for you, Luigi: I have the impression that all Italian comics are numbered in the series "Albi d'Oro" (Golden Books). Something like in the USA the Four Color Comics; they have their own title, but subsequent numbering. Is this true? Or maybe, almost true (some specials excluded)? Or far from true (different series with their own numbering)? Hartelijke groeten, --Harry. Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak PTT Research, Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl "Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!" From tanida at forseti.css.gov Fri Mar 19 19:01:44 1993 From: tanida at forseti.css.gov (Tom Tanida) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 93 10:01:44 PST Subject: Don Rosa: Return to Plain Awful? Message-ID: <9303191801.AA29280@forseti.css.gov> Wasn't there a Don Rosa story featuring the Ducks' return (including Scrooge) to Plain Awful (the land of the square shaped people)? I seem to remember one. If so, I was wondering if I could get the comic title (Uncle Scrooge or Uncle Scrooge Adventures, I'm guessing), and number. Also, is there a "complete list of Don Rosa stories", like the list of Carl Barks stories? Thanks! Tom tanida at esosun.css.gov From torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Sat Mar 20 20:33:40 1993 From: torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1993 13:33:40 -0600 (CST) Subject: Don Rosa: Return to Plain Awful? In-Reply-To: <9303191801.AA29280@forseti.css.gov> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Mar 1993, Tom Tanida wrote: > Wasn't there a Don Rosa story featuring the Ducks' return (including > Scrooge) to Plain Awful (the land of the square shaped people)? I seem > to remember one. If so, I was wondering if I could get the comic title > (Uncle Scrooge or Uncle Scrooge Adventures, I'm guessing), and number. Check the Gladstone Index. I believe this story was done before Rosa had the disagreement with Disney about artwork. Was this a two-parter? Correct me if I am mistaken, but wasn't Uncle Scrooge Adventures chiefly Barks and single stories, and Uncle Scrooge mostly shorter stories? > Also, is there a "complete list of Don Rosa stories", like the > list of Carl Barks stories? Check the Gladstone Index, and whatever exists for the current Disney titles. Torsten torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE From starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE Sun Mar 21 11:09:09 1993 From: starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Per Starb{ck) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 93 11:09:09 +0100 Subject: Don Rosa: Return to Plain Awful? + News on the FTP archive In-Reply-To: Torsten Wesley Adair's message of Sat, 20 Mar 1993 13:33:40 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <9303211009.AA13103@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE> Tom Tanida: > Wasn't there a Don Rosa story featuring the Ducks' return (including > Scrooge) to Plain Awful (the land of the square shaped people)? Torsten Wesley Adair: > Check the Gladstone Index. I believe this story was done before Rosa had > the disagreement with Disney about artwork. Was this a two-parter? There is a complete Don Rosa index at the archive (ftp.lysator.liu.se:/pub/comics/disney/don-rosa) so better check that one instead. It says: Code USA Repr NL Scan Pg Title [+ remarks] ============================================================================= AR 130 DDA 12-895 X91-09 K90-17/20 28 DD in Return to Plain Awful I.e., it was in Donald Duck Adventures #12 (Gladstone). I have recently updated that file with information from Luigi: US 278 didn't contain Rosa's War of the Wendigo as previously announced, but instead had a Rosa cover. Will War of the Wendigo be in US 279 instead? Other news at the ftp archive: * I have now compressed most of the files. If you can't handle compressed files (with names ending in .Z) you're in luck, as ftp.lysator.liu.se uses an ftp client that allows you to get e.g., the file "don-rosa" even it there really only is a compressed file "don-rosa.Z", so it's up to you to decide if you wish to fetch compressed or an uncompressed files. * Kjell Crone's index on vintage American Disney books has been transmogrified by Harry Fluks so as to be more consistent and to read more like the other indices at the archive. * As the archive maintainer I'm also proud to present (drum roll) the first publicly accessible version of Harry Fluks's Big Dutch Index (BDI) on Dutch Disney comic books. It's (almost) a total index on Dutch Disney books, with information about titles, artists and original publications of the stories! It's in the dutch/ directory. -- " Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se "Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!" From bevilal at dsi.unimi.it Mon Mar 22 10:26:53 1993 From: bevilal at dsi.unimi.it (luigi bevilacqua) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 93 10:26:53 +0100 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <9303220926.AA02940@pluto.sm.dsi.unimi.it> =============================================================================== Disney & Gladstone: latest info: shipping program Shipping Publisher Series Remarks month April Disney Dinosaurs#2 -newsstand edition 48 pp. $2.95 Disney Adventures#32 128 pp. $1.95 Donald Duck Adventures#38 32 pp. $1.50 Uncle Scrooge#280 32 pp. $1.50 (Rosa cover?) WD Comics & Stories#585 48 pp. $1.50 (48pp at the same price?) May Disney Disney Adventures#33 128 pp. $1.95 May Gladstone (All Gladstone's series will be bi-monthly) Donald Duck Adventures#21 32 pp. $1.50 (Rosa cover?) WD Comics & Stories#586 32 pp. $1.50 Uncle Scrooge#281 32 pp. $1.50 (Rosa cover?) June Gladstone Donald Duck#280 Donald & Mickey#1 Uncle Scrooge Adventures#22 (no info about Disney in June) BYE!!! . ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | TH...TH...THAT'S ALL, FOLKS! Luigi | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl Mon Mar 22 12:10:57 1993 From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks) Date: 22 Mar 1993 12:10:57 +0100 Subject: Upcoming Disney/Gladstone comics Message-ID: <199303221110.AA09773@athena.research.ptt.nl> Luigi (luigi bevilacqua ) writes: > Disney & Gladstone: latest info: shipping program > > Shipping Publisher Series Remarks > month > > April Disney Dinosaurs#2 -newsstand edition 48 pp. $2.95 > Disney Adventures#32 128 pp. $1.95 > Donald Duck Adventures#38 32 pp. $1.50 > Uncle Scrooge#280 32 pp. $1.50 (Rosa cover?) Yes, U$ #280 will have a Rosa cover. It shows Scrooge on a rubber boat looking at a sinking ship. I don't know what story this is supposed to illustrate. I saw a copy of the cover in (a part of) an interview of Don Rosa (in the magazine "Advance Comics"). Rosa says, that "War of the Wendigo" will _not_ be published by Disney, "because it involves Indians. They wouldn't even read the story." Is does not matter that the Indians are the "good guys", just the fact that there _are_ Indians withholds Disney from publishing the story! Rosa hopes (expects) Gladstone will be less narrow-minded... > WD Comics & Stories#585 48 pp. $1.50 (48pp at the > same price?) > > May Disney Disney Adventures#33 128 pp. $1.95 > > May Gladstone (All Gladstone's series will be bi-monthly) > Donald Duck Adventures#21 32 pp. $1.50 (Rosa cover?) In the interview, Rosa said he was doing covers for Gladstone again. > WD Comics & Stories#586 32 pp. $1.50 WDC #586 will have a William Van Horn cover. The copy I saw, had two logos on it: Gladstone _and_ Disney Comics. So: will Disney Comics still have influence? Or is it just the name that they want to keep? > Uncle Scrooge#281 32 pp. $1.50 (Rosa cover?) > > June Gladstone Donald Duck#280 > Donald & Mickey#1 > Uncle Scrooge Adventures#22 > > (no info about Disney in June) --Harry. Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak PTT Research, Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl "Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!" From jellybea at kauri.vuw.ac.nz Tue Mar 23 22:49:04 1993 From: jellybea at kauri.vuw.ac.nz (jellybea@kauri.vuw.ac.nz) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1993 09:49:04 +1200 Subject: Hej fellow Donald Duck readers, Message-ID: <199303232149.AA14210@kauri.vuw.ac.nz> If donald is Huey,Dewey and Louie's uncle then who is their father??? From marmelmm at dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu Tue Mar 23 23:01:01 1993 From: marmelmm at dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu (M. Mitchell Marmel) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 93 17:01:01 EST Subject: Hej fellow Donald Duck readers, Message-ID: <9303232201.AA07489@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu> >If donald is Huey,Dewey and Louie's uncle then who is their father??? Mickey Mouse...and *HE* doesn't understand it, either... ;) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ M. Mitchell Marmel marmelmm at dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu FidoNet: 1:273/60.11 From d91fe at ide.ide.hk-r.se Wed Mar 24 02:37:31 1993 From: d91fe at ide.ide.hk-r.se (Fredrik Ekman) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 93 02:37:31 +0100 Subject: The origins of HD&L Message-ID: <930324023731.000050b7.d91fe@ide.ide.hk-r.se> >If donald is Huey,Dewey and Louie's uncle then who is their father??? Actually, DD is _not_ HD&L's father's brother, but rather their sister's brother. It is, however, a bit more complicated than that... I'm not 100% sure of the facts here, as I don't have access to my sources, but I think that HD&L's first appearance was in a comic by Al Taliaferro. In this comic it was stated that their mother was Donald's sister Dumbella. A little later the film "Donald's Nephews" gave a slightly different version, where the mother is Donald's cousin, Della. In later comic versions, these two persons have been combined into one; Donald's sister Della. About HD&L's father, not much is known, but I think that the three little rascals were sent to their uncle for the second time because they had planted a bomb under thier father's chair (or was that the first time?). Later the father came out of hospital, his sons returned to him but was soon back with their uncle and that's the way it still is. I also remember a dutch Donald Duck where there is a picture in the beginning (not as part of a comic) where Donald is talking in the phone asking Della when she is going to reclaim her sons. Unfortunately (for Donald) Huey (or whoever) has unconnected the phone. Does anyone else have additional information? Corrections? I just thought it was about time that I made some kind of contribution to this list. :) /Fredrik Ekman P.S. Hey, Luigi! What about that wedding of Mickey? Are you gonna tell us the details or what? D.S. From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl Wed Mar 24 09:16:30 1993 From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks) Date: 24 Mar 1993 09:16:30 +0100 Subject: The origins of HD&L Message-ID: <199303240816.AA07389@athena.research.ptt.nl> Fredrik Ekman wrote, on the question of HDL's parents: > I also remember a dutch Donald Duck where there is a picture in the > beginning (not as part of a comic) where Donald is talking in the phone > asking Della when she is going to reclaim her sons. Unfortunately (for > Donald) Huey (or whoever) has unconnected the phone. Yes, this picture illustrated a letter from a reader, asking "who are HDL's parents?" That question comes up from time to time. > Does anyone else have additional information? Corrections? I always thought the _comic_ version was Della, while the _movie_ version was Dumbella. Apparently, I'm wrong... > I just thought it was about time that I made some kind of contribution to > this list. :) Yes, it was about time. 8-) --Harry. Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak PTT Research, Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl "Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!" From ttgrq at info.win.tue.nl Wed Mar 24 10:51:36 1993 From: ttgrq at info.win.tue.nl (Andreas Gammel) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 93 10:51:36 +0100 Subject: Duck family tree Message-ID: <9303240951.AA21101@wsinfo08.info.win.tue.nl> --> If donald is Huey,Dewey and Louie's uncle then who is their father??? I'm afraid this is not known (to me anyway) All I know is that Huey, Dewey and Louie's MOTHER is called DUMBELLA DUCK, who features very rarely in a few DD-stories. I remember she's big and fat. In the frist H,D and L (by the way, they are called Kwik, Kwek and Kwak in Dutch) story she sends them to her brother Donald for a weekend. This weekend turned out to be, what?.. 55 years or so. Futhermore, Dagobert is Donald's uncle so he must be Grandma Duck's brother. Apparently Dagobert never married, and Donald has a few cousins (e.g. his rival in obtaining Daisy's love, I don't know his English name) so Grandma and Dagobert must have more sisters or brothers. I remember yet another another uncle of Donald, who is a scientist. And there's another cousin who wears a green woolen cap. So as far as I know (please correct me or elaborate) Grandma, Dagobert,'the Scientist",... are siblings Grandma + 'Unknown husband' produced Donald and Dumbella 'Unknown sibling of Grandma` + husband produced Donald's cousins Dumbella + `unknown husband' produced Huey, Loui and Dewey. Please let me know, if there's more known about the Duck family line. greetings . /| / | / | -----/---+ ndreas ttgrq at info.win.tue.nl /_____________________________________________________ Eindhoven, The Netherlands From bevilal at dsi.unimi.it Wed Mar 24 12:32:13 1993 From: bevilal at dsi.unimi.it (luigi bevilacqua) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 93 12:32:13 MET Subject: Albi d'Oro Message-ID: <9303241132.AA24024@pippo.sm.dsi.unimi.it> =============================================================================== Hi, Harry said: > I have another question for you, Luigi: > > I have the impression that all Italian comics are numbered in the series > "Albi d'Oro" (Golden Books). Something like in the USA the Four Color Comics; > they have their own title, but subsequent numbering. > Is this true? Or maybe, almost true (some specials excluded)? Or far from > true (different series with their own numbering)? "Albi d'Oro" was a Mondadori's weekly -comic size- series (a rare format in Italy at that time); it started in early '50 throungh late '60. Each issue, in b/w and color, had 32 pages. On this series were published, for the first time in Italy, many many Disney stories by Al Tagliaferro, Carl Barks and Floyd Gottfredson. This series had its own numbering, absolutely not like "Four Color Comics". Maybe you said that because in that series were published not only Disney stories, but Warner too. So, in a "Albi d'Oro" list of Disney material, there are many "holes" (in which is published warner material). -Hey Harry, What does "Hartelijke groeten" mean? BYE!!! . ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | TH...TH...THAT'S ALL, FOLKS! Luigi | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl Wed Mar 24 13:44:43 1993 From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks) Date: 24 Mar 1993 13:44:43 +0100 Subject: Duck family tree Message-ID: <199303241244.AA15285@athena.research.ptt.nl> Andreas (hi, Andreas!) wrote: > Futhermore, Dagobert is Donald's uncle so he must be Grandma Duck's brother. Dagobert == Uncle Scrooge (for the non-Dutch, non-German members 8-) > Apparently Dagobert never married, and Donald has a few cousins (e.g. his > rival in obtaining Daisy's love, I don't know his English name) Gladstone Glander (Guus Geluk in Dutch) > so Grandma and Dagobert must have more sisters or brothers. On the first pages of 'Race to the South Seas', a Barks story from 1949, the relation between Donald and Scrooge, and Gladstone and Scrooge is explained. I don't know it by head, but I can look it up. As far as I remember, Gladstone is a "distant" cousin, i.e. a son of a cousin of Donald's father, or so. > I remember yet another another uncle of Donald, who is a scientist. That must be Ludwig Von Drake (Dutch: Otto van Drakenstein). In his first Dutch appearance, he was introduced as an uncle (it was a translation of the first story of the USA comic 'Ludwig Von Drake' #1). But in later stories, no reference to that was made, he was just a character like Gyro Gearloose (Willie Wortel in Dutch), not related to any Duck. > And there's another cousin who wears a green woolen cap. This is the famous Fethry Duck (there has been some discussion about him in the early days of this mailing list 8-) (Dutch: Diederik Duck). I understand his cap is not always _green_ in other countries; one Englishman once asked for foreign names of "the guy with the red woolen cap". > So as far as I know (please correct me or elaborate) > > Grandma, Dagobert,'the Scientist",... are siblings > Grandma + 'Unknown husband' produced Donald and Dumbella > 'Unknown sibling of Grandma` + husband produced Donald's cousins > Dumbella + `unknown husband' produced Huey, Loui and Dewey. > > Please let me know, if there's more known about the Duck family line. There is at least one family tree published in a book about Donald Duck's life (published in Holland in 1984 - or was it 1987?), the story and tree are of Italian origin. In the story, Scrooge is Grandma's brother, and Donald is an _adopted_ child (Grandma never got married). There must be other 'origin' stories of the Duck family... I remember one story where Grandma _did_ have a husband... BTW: could you tell me in which stories D(umb)ella actually appears? I can't remember having seen here anywhere. --Harry. Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak PTT Research, Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl "Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!" From AREID at MARY.FORDHAM.EDU Wed Mar 24 15:13:56 1993 From: AREID at MARY.FORDHAM.EDU (Darin Reid) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1993 09:13:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: Why Cousins, Unca's and such...? Message-ID: <732982436.450000.AREID@MARY.FORDHAM.EDU> Anyone have any idea why the Ducks (and even the mice) never seem to be directly related? It seems like everyone is an uncle, an aunt, a cousin or a grandma. Was there some strange Disney unwritten law saying that parenthood wouldn't be discussed (That definitely does not hold today - Goofy has a kid!)? Or, was this a decision made on the part of either CB or FG? From ttgrq at info.win.tue.nl Wed Mar 24 15:44:21 1993 From: ttgrq at info.win.tue.nl (Andreas Gammel) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 93 15:44:21 +0100 Subject: Returned mail: User unknown Message-ID: <9303241444.AA00452@wsinfo08.info.win.tue.nl> ----- Begin Included Message ----- From MAILER-DAEMON at info.win.tue.nl Wed Mar 24 15:39:46 1993 From: MAILER-DAEMON at info.win.tue.nl (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 93 15:39:46 +0100 Subject: Returned mail: User unknown Message-ID: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Connected to Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE: >>> RCPT To: <<< 550 ... User unknown 550 ... User unknown ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: from wsinfo08.info.win.tue.nl by svin02.info.win.tue.nl (4.1/1.45) id AA01020; Wed, 24 Mar 93 15:39:46 +0100 Received: by wsinfo08.info.win.tue.nl (4.1/1.45) id AA00444; Wed, 24 Mar 93 15:39:32 +0100 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 93 15:39:32 +0100 From: ttgrq at info.win.tue.nl (Andreas Gammel) Message-Id: <9303241439.AA00444 at wsinfo08.info.win.tue.nl> To: disney_comics at minsk.docs.uu.se Subject: Why Cousins, Unca's and such...? I think, their is a straightforward reason for this phenomena. By not letting them be directly related, you don't have to bother with 'norm'. You don't have to deal with role-model, because it is a situation that doesnt commonly exist. If Donald would go around slapping his sons, this could be seen as childabuse. If he were Scrooge's son, he would have a formal RIGHT to his fortune. By using these abstractions, you can create a much more fun world, which is a lot easier to accept. That's the same reason why they are all animals and not humans. It's all a question of how easy will the reader accept it. Another effect that is commomly used in comics is what I call blank leading roles. E.g. Mickey Mouse. This is a character that is left relatively blank. He doesnt have extravagant features or characteristics. This invokes the psychological effect in the reader to fill in this blank person with his own ideas, and in this way strongly relate to him. In this way a large variety of people can enjoy the same comic. Such a blank figure is mostly supported by some very strongly typed figures (Goofy, Pluto) allowing the writer to introduce special features anyway. The writer can construct a web of extremes in which the reader (playing the role of the leading blank) can find his place. That's what I think, but what do you guys think Bye, . /| / | / | -----/---+ ndreas ttgrq at info.win.tue.nl /_____________________________________________________ Eindhoven, The Netherlands ----- End Included Message ----- From bevilal at dsi.unimi.it Wed Mar 24 17:15:55 1993 From: bevilal at dsi.unimi.it (luigi bevilacqua) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 93 17:15:55 MET Subject: MICKEY'S WEDDING Message-ID: <9303241615.AA13677@pippo.sm.dsi.unimi.it> =============================================================================== Are you curious?... Do you want to know who was Mickey's bride?... Is each one of you impatient about this wedding?... And if Minnie was hangry or not?... And how long was it?... And... oh... well... how did they pass first night together?... And HOW is Mickey still single now?... ...slowly...slowly... ... I will tell you everything! But I will answer just ONE QUESTION at time! Is not this way more funny? So, LET'S GO! you know my email-box... =============================================================================== From rich.bellacera at amail.amdahl.com Wed Mar 24 08:03:00 1993 From: rich.bellacera at amail.amdahl.com (rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com) Date: Wednesday, 24 March 1993 08:03 PT Subject: More Duck Family members (& friends?) Message-ID: Well, it looks like this thread has stimulated some discussion. First, a reply to Aerid's inquirey about "Why cousins and uncle's and such?" I don't know if this is true or not, but it seems as if there has been a traditional unspoken rule that says no Disney character can have sex. What I mean is that until the recent Disney Afternoon series we almost never saw a Disney "furry" with an direct off-spring. In cartoons the same was basically true except for Pluto, who with Minnie's pooch, Fifi the Peke, had a litter of mini-plutos and one, named Pluto Junior, even appeared again (Pluto's Quintuplets, 1937 and Pluto, Junior, 1942). As for Goofy he appeared in several cartoons with a little redhead/red-nosed son named Georgie or Goofy, Jr. Otherwise it has been the status quo not to have directly related children. Goofy, in comics, does also have a recurring highly intelligent nephew named Gilbert (who always wears a graduation cap). As for my contributions to the Duck family: FAMILY TREE: The only comic I could find with a picture of the Duck Family Tree was in UNCLE DONALD AND HIS NEPHEWS: FAMILY FUN #38 (Dell, 1960) On the tree is listed Donald, Huey, Dewey, Louie, Gyro, Gus, Scrooge, Grandma, Gladstone, Daisy, April, May, June, and three I am not familiar with: Blackduck (pirate), Z-Gun Duck, Ebenezer Duck, and one brach of the tree has a "?". The story involves a family reunion which takes everyone in Grandma's house back in time (Blackduck, Z-Gun & Ebenezer are not present) due to a tornado. Three Beagle Boys are transported too since they were breaking in at the same time. While in the past they pick up a giant prehistoric egg. Gyro rigs a device that returns them to the present. The egg had hatched and out came a fully grown caveduck they named "Simon". Uncle Scrooge suggests that Simon is the "?" on the Family Tree. That made absolutely no sense, but apparently it was an accepted theory. Simon stayed on at Grandma's farm. GRANDPA DUCK: A real wack-o that dresses like Davey Crocket, carries a musket rifle and slaughters domestic cows for sport. Definitely not a desirable relative. He only appeared once in the DD cartoon "No Hunting" in 1955. COUSIN FRED: I know I have a comic with him in it, but I couldn't find it. Maybe someone can help me out here, but he's apparently an artis and he looks alot like Herb Muddlefoot from DARKWING DUCK (same proportions). NEWTON: Gyro's nephew who appears in the comic WDC&S Vol.26 #9 in the story "The Trouble With Thudder." Newton looks a lot like Gyro but about the age of HD&L. DIM-WITTY DUCK: I'm not familiar with exactly how he is related, but he is supposedly a recurring character. I have only one story with him in UNCLE SCROOGE #75 (Gold Key June, 1968) where he caused havok for Daisy in "The Fix-It Fiasco." MOBY DUCK: A wacky ship captain for whom Donald worked (later replaced by Dim-Witty) as First Mate. He first appeared in DD #112 (Gold Key March, 1967) and eventually earned his own title for a short while. I'm not sure how he was related, but it was said in one source that they were. CLARA CLUCK: This one is my speculation. I have at least one story where she appears at a family reunion for Daisy's birthday. Gyro, Donald, U$, Gladstone, AM&J, Grandma, and HD&L are all there, so either Clara was the only "friend" invited, or like Gyro, she's among the "chicken" relatives of the "ducks." This story appears in DD #278 (Gladstone March, 1990), but originally appeared in a Netherland Oberon B.V. story by Jan Kruse and Don Rosa). ADENDUM: In the spirit of "relatives" I thought I'd list two of the more obscure ref- ernces that I have for other Duck's character relatives. BEAGLE BRATS: The junior members of the Beagle Boy clan. These bullies attack HD&L, but eventually end up getting spankings from the sexior Beagles. ooopps that's "senior" not "sexior" (typo...no edit capability). ;-) UNCLE DONALD AND HIS NEPHEWS #38 (Dell, 1960). MINIMA DE SPELL: Magica's niece that appears in the firm paperback called "Disney's Ducktales." It was not a regular comic and I suspect it is really just reprinted stories from the digest magazine "DISNEY ADVENTURES." The story was called "Dime After Dime" and revolved around another attempt of Magica to steal U$'s Lucky Dime. Webby befriend's Minima who starts out as a rotten brat, but learns to be nicer. PHANTOM BRAT: The "daughter" of the Phantom Blot who appeared in MICKEY MOUSE ADVENTURES #8 (January, 1991). I beleive she appeared again later, but she did actually have influence on stories prior to her appearance. NOTES: I forgot to list NEWTON's appearance was from a Dell comic (June, 1966) and MINIMA's was a Disney special edition of Cartoon Tales, 1991. From jamal at silver.lcs.mit.edu Wed Mar 24 18:43:47 1993 From: jamal at silver.lcs.mit.edu (Jamal Hannah) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 93 12:43:47 EST Subject: Duck family tree In-Reply-To: <9303240951.AA21101@wsinfo08.info.win.tue.nl>; from "Andreas Gammel" at Mar 24, 93 10:51:36 am Message-ID: <9303241743.AA22415@silver.lcs.mit.edu> Hi. I seem to remember having a couple issues of "Donald Duck's Family Album" .. a Disney Comic that came out in the early 1960's, published by Dell (Western Publishing), and drawn by a rather lousy (in my opinion) artist. (I could probly track the name down if I had some Gladstone Digests handy, but I dont..) Anyway, I don't suppose the "Family Album" comic ever answered some of these family questions? In addition, let's remember that Disney most likly did what alot of comic and cartoon-writers have done. They make some characters and indicate that they are vaguely related, and later on when people show interest, they find that they have to "tie" everything together loosely. Marvel and DC do this with their comic "Universes" as well, and it's bloody confusing. The same problem came up concerning Uncle Scrooge's age. (Some of you may remember how one perticular date changes in a reprint of "Only a Poor old Man", when Scrooge is relating a story to Donald... or was that a different story? the Terra Firmy one? Or mabye the Golden Fleace? Bleah.) - JH From torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Wed Mar 24 19:15:38 1993 From: torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1993 12:15:38 -0600 (CST) Subject: The origins of HD&L In-Reply-To: <930324023731.000050b7.d91fe@ide.ide.hk-r.se> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Mar 1993, Fredrik Ekman wrote: > >If donald is Huey,Dewey and Louie's uncle then who is their father??? > Actually, DD is _not_ HD&L's father's brother, but rather their sister's > brother. It is, however, a bit more complicated than that... You mean "their mother's brother", right? And what about Webby? ... > Does anyone else have additional information? Corrections? What about Grandma Duck and Uncle Scrooge? > I just thought it was about time that I made some kind of contribution to > this list. :) > /Fredrik Ekman > P.S. Hey, Luigi! What about that wedding of Mickey? Are you gonna tell us > the details or what? D.S. Nice to hear from you! Don't be a stranger! Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE From torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Wed Mar 24 19:23:51 1993 From: torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1993 12:23:51 -0600 (CST) Subject: Disney parents (was Duck lineage) Message-ID: When was the last time you saw a human-looking mother in a Disney animated movie? Aladdin, Beauty and the Beast, Little Mermaid, Jungle Book, and Pinocchio don't have any. Sleeping Beauty maybe. Snow White and Cinderella had evil step-mothers. Animal features (Oliver and Company, Robin Hood) don't count. Read the "real" version of Aladdin and you'll see how Disney butchers fairy tales. (I love Disney movies. I just hope they don't do anymore H.C. Anderson.) Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE From torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Wed Mar 24 19:31:04 1993 From: torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1993 12:31:04 -0600 (CST) Subject: Why Cousins, Unca's and such...? In-Reply-To: <732982436.450000.AREID@MARY.FORDHAM.EDU> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Mar 1993, Darin Reid wrote: > Anyone have any idea why the Ducks (and even the mice) never seem > to be directly related? It seems like everyone is an uncle, an aunt, > a cousin or a grandma. Was there some strange Disney unwritten law > saying that parenthood wouldn't be discussed (That definitely does not > hold today - Goofy has a kid!)? Or, was this a decision made on the > part of either CB or FG? If you look at the Disney shorts, Goofy (or a look-alike) was Disney's version of suburban life. He was married to a redhead, and had a son who caused all sorts of trouble. How real were these cartoons? Well, in the Father's Day short, the father stays home. The milkman rings the doorbell, and the father gets the milk, as well as a smooch from the milkman! Talk about family values! It sure is great seeing all these new posters! BTW, CEO Mike Eisner exercised his stock options to avoid Clinton's tax increases, and raked in $197.5 Million (that's one HUNDRED). I don't think he'll give any of that to EuroDisneyland. |) Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE From rich.bellacera at amail.amdahl.com Wed Mar 24 10:36:00 1993 From: rich.bellacera at amail.amdahl.com (rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com) Date: Wednesday, 24 March 1993 10:36 PT Subject: Duck Family Message-ID: I have some books about Donald and Disney in general and I found a reference to the same thing Jamal mentioned. At some point in the past Carl Barks had tried to tie up the missing links in the Duck Family for which he linked the Ducks & the Geese via Thelma Duck and Goostave Gander, and other references included Gus Goose's relatives his Aunt Daphne and Uncle Luke Goose, His Aunt Fanny who dispatched him to Donald's house the day he raided DD's refrigerator, and his father Quackmore (Daphne's brother). Apparently, there exists an entire "complete(?)" Duck Family Tree somewhere. Has anyone ever heard of a Bark's Duck Family Tree? -Rich From jellybea at kauri.vuw.ac.nz Wed Mar 24 23:05:42 1993 From: jellybea at kauri.vuw.ac.nz (jellybea@kauri.vuw.ac.nz) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1993 10:05:42 +1200 Subject: Thank you Message-ID: <199303242205.AA14450@kauri.vuw.ac.nz> all so much for sharing all of your information about D Ducks family tree. It was most appreciated!!! So I hope you won't mind if I cause a stir by asking even more questions. That's what this club is for isn't it? How did Darkwing Duck come about? Where did Unca Scrooge get his number 1 dime from? Where did Darkwing Duck get his powers from? I must confess that I've never read a Darkwing Duck comic, I've only seen him on TV. Why does that witch duck (I can't remember her name) want Scrooges dime? When did Mickey get married and to whom? Is Gyro related to the duck family at all? Has anyone (except me) heard of Bubba the caveduck and his pet dinosaur Tootsie who eats ice blocks? And now to change the subject dramatically. Does anyone want to be my penpal and write in the old fashioned way with ink and paper?? Reply if you want and I'll give you my address. From d91fe at ide.ide.hk-r.se Wed Mar 24 00:27:36 1993 From: d91fe at ide.ide.hk-r.se (Fredrik Ekman) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 93 00:27:36 +0100 Subject: More about relatives Message-ID: <930324002736.000013a7.d91fe@ide.ide.hk-r.se> Torsten Adair wrote: >On Wed, 24 Mar 1993, Fredrik Ekman wrote: >> >If donald is Huey,Dewey and Louie's uncle then who is their father??? >> Actually, DD is _not_ HD&L's father's brother, but rather their sister's >> brother. It is, however, a bit more complicated than that... > You mean "their mother's brother", right? And what about Webby? Yeah, that's exactly what I mean. Isn't Webby the daughter of the fat lady that keeps $crooge's house (whatever her name). I don't think she's related to the rest of the ducks. Torsten again: >What about Grandma Duck and Uncle Scrooge? Grandma Duck was introduced by Al Taliaferro and he introduced her as _Donald's_ grandmother. Later, however, Carl Barks revitalized the old lady, and I have seen several comics where she is referred to as $crooge's sister. If this is the case, we can assume that she is Hewey, Dewey and Louie's grandmother and in that case she must be Donald's mother (unless we accept the theory of Donald's cousin Della). Harry Fluks wrote: >There must be other 'origin' stories of the Duck family... I have read at least two. One American that was published in Sweden in the late 60's (I think). The Swedish title translates to "This is you life, Donald Duck". The other was published by Gutenberghus for Donald's 50th birthday and was created by an Italian artist. Do I remember his name? No, of course not, but he is one of my favourite DD artists. *sigh* In both these, so far as I remember, Grandma Duck is Donald's stepmother. Andreas Gammel wrote: >Apparently Dagobert never married, and Donald has a few cousins No, Donald does not have a few cousins. Donald has _lots_ of cousins! And so does $crooge and HLD. It seems that as soon as one of the Disney comic creators needed a relative for some purpose, he invented one, rather than trying to find some older that would fill his purpose. For this reason it will never be possible to create a complete (or even nearly complete) family tree for the Duck family. Rich wrote: >On the tree is listed Donald, Huey, Dewey, Louie, Gyro, Gus, Scrooge, Grandma, This is the first time I have seen Gyro mentioned as a relative to any of the other characters. What is his relation? Are there any other references to him as a relative? I don't think Barks intended him as a relative. One other thing: Luigi, if I ever meet you in real life, I will strangle you slowly! That is, unless you tell us all about Mickey's wedding _at_once_! ;) /Fredrik Ekman From starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE Thu Mar 25 00:27:49 1993 From: starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Per Starb{ck) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 93 00:27:49 +0100 Subject: Huey, Dewey and Louie --- Geneology and origin Message-ID: <9303242327.AA16589@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE> Lots of interesting questions and discussion floating around now... I probably don't have time to say everything I want to right now, but let's start with Huey, Dewey and Louie. Fredrik Ekman told of the two different versions of their appearance in the Duck household, and Harry Fluks replied: > I always thought the _comic_ version was Della, while the _movie_ version was > Dumbella. Apparently, I'm wrong... I always forget details like that, but I've checked, and you were right. HD&L appeared for the first time in the Donald Duck newspaper Sunday page October 17, 1937 where Donald got a letter with the following text: Dear Donald: I am sending your angel nephews Louie, Huey and Dewey, to stay with you while their father is in the hospital. A giant firecracker exploded under his chair. The little darlings are *so* playful. I hope you enjoy them. Your cousin, Della. This was written by Ted Osborne and drawn by Al Taliaferro by the way. At the time the Studio was working on a cartoon called _Donald's_Nephews_ (by director Jack King) with the same theme, but due to the longer production time it didn't premiere until 1938. In the cartoon the letter was from Donald's *sister* *Dumbella*. Supposedly the cousin Della in the Sunday page is the boys' mother, but as it isn't explicitly said so we might toy with the idea that she isn't, if that makes it easier to untangle this mess. Maybe the mother was away or something, and Della just was a nearby relative who took care of getting the boys a home when their father was in the hospital? What about the cartoon? I haven't seen it for some time---is it absolutely clear that Donald's sister Dumbella is the mother of the boys there? I don't know what I'm getting at, though. Maybe one solution would be that the Sunday page and the cartoon is about different occasions. First time (the Sunday page) the boys' mother (Dumbella) was away somewhere, so when their father (unnamed) had to go to the hospital, Dumbella's (and Donald's) cousin Della (who probably lived in the same town as Dumbella) sent the boys to Donald. When the father got back the boys returned. (It's a fact that the boys disappeared in the daily strip for a while to reappear again later.) Then the boys' father had to go to the hospital *again*, and this time their mother Dumbella, who wasn't away any longer, sent the boys to Donald the second time. But of course Donald would then recognize the boys in the cartoon. Hm... Probably it's futile to try to get Disney cartoons and Disney comics to belong to the same "universe". It's enough of a problem just with all the inconsistencies in the comics. Is Della a possible nickname for Dumbella by the way? Note that if we ignore the cartoon and only believe the comics, then there is nothing (or is it?) that says that HDL are Donald's sister's sons and not his brother's sons, because the hospitalized father might be Donald's brother! (In Swedish there are different words for "sister's son" and "brother's son", and in Swedish translations HDL have always been Donald's brother's sons, in spite of the facts from the cartoon.) Then of course there is Carl Barks's family tree that Rich Bellacera mentioned. In that tree HD&L's mother is called Thelma Duck and is a sister to Donald. This Thelma has never been used in a published story though, but was only a name in Unca Carl's private notes, so maybe she's not very canonical? -- " Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se "Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!" From rich.bellacera at amail.amdahl.com Wed Mar 24 15:31:00 1993 From: rich.bellacera at amail.amdahl.com (rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com) Date: Wednesday, 24 March 1993 15:31 PT Subject: Various things**** Message-ID: > From: jellybea at juts > It was most appreciated!!! So I hope you won't mind if I cause a stir by > asking even more questions. That's what this club is for isn't it? Stir it up. I don't think anyone is going to get upset over a few questions and some shared information. As long as we don't get into any flame-fests over it. > How did Darkwing Duck come about? The concept for DWD orginated when Disney wanted to do a spin-off series based on an episode of Ducktales which involved the secret agent named Double-0 Duck (sort of a James Bond-type). The series was suppose to star 00-Duck and Launchpad, but somewhere along the way they changed to focus to that of a superhero type storyline. Darkwing was invented for the series. > Where did Unca Scrooge get his number 1 dime from? I have not seen the comic that explains that, but I think it was explained in a Ducktales episode. I believe it had something to do with being Uncle $crooge's first (ever) earned wage or found commodity. I was under the impression that he invested it wisely and it multiplied to the point of his current Moneybin state. However, that wouldn't make much sense since he still has it. Hmmmm. Maybe he bought it back? Per or someone probably knows this answer and where exactly to find it (the comic not the dime ;-). > Where did Darkwing Duck get his powers from? > I must confess that I've never read a Darkwing Duck comic, I've only seen > him on TV. I believe the Disney Afternoon series gave a couple different scenarios for that answer. I forget which is accepted as canon. Maybe Stephanie or one of the other Ranger-Listers can answer that. > Why does that witch duck (I can't remember her name) want Scrooges dime? Magica de Spell. She wants it because she believes that it contains great power (of luck). She thinks it because of the dime that $crooge is so wealthy but I think he explained to HD&L that it's really because he is wise with money. > When did Mickey get married and to whom? Mickey is secretly married to Minnie, but for the movies he is her perpetual consort or suitor. > Is Gyro related to the duck family at all? Good question. The official answer seems to be "Yes" but "How" is probably more to the point. While the Ducks (like Donald & U$) and the Gooses (like Gladstone 'Gander' & Gus Goose) are technically related (species-wise), Chickens like Gyro are not. I'm stumped. > Has anyone (except me) heard of Bubba the caveduck and his pet dinosaur > Tootsie who eats ice blocks? I have. In fact I was thinking that maybe Bubba Duck is actually conceptually related to Simon the Caveduck from that FAMILY FUN story I mentioned earier. I wonder if it's technically true. Though they both originated the same way (via a time-travel story), and they both stayed in the present (the rest of their story, however is dramatically different). > And now to change the subject dramatically. Does anyone want to be my penpal > and write in the old fashioned way with ink and paper?? Reply if you want > and I'll give you my address. Sure: email to me and I'll send you my address. Caio From rich.bellacera at amail.amdahl.com Wed Mar 24 16:11:00 1993 From: rich.bellacera at amail.amdahl.com (rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com) Date: Wednesday, 24 March 1993 16:11 PT Subject: Webby Message-ID: Fredrick asked: > Yeah, that's exactly what I mean. Isn't Webby the daughter of the fat lady > that keeps $crooge's house (whatever her name). I don't think she's related > to the rest of the ducks. Actually, as I recall, Webby (a.k.a. Webbigail Vanderquack) is really not related to Mrs. Beakley. In the 5-part opener of the Ducktales series Edna Beakley says she is Webby's legal guardian and asks $crooge if she gets hired as his maid can she raise Webby in the mansion too. To which $crooge said it would be fine, and even made Webby promise to call him "Unca $crooge". In time the mansion became over-run with rugrats calling him "Unca" (Huey, Dewey, Louie, Bubba, and Webby. And if we count the comics, April, May and June as well. I also recall seing Morty & Ferdie calling poor $crooge "Unca"). Webby does, however, affectionately call Mrs. Beakley "Grammy". > >What about Grandma Duck and Uncle Scrooge? > > Grandma Duck was introduced by Al Taliaferro and he introduced her as > _Donald's_ grandmother. Later, however, Carl Barks revitalized the old > lady, and I have seen several comics where she is referred to as $crooge's > sister. If this is the case, we can assume that she is Hewey, Dewey and > Louie's grandmother and in that case she must be Donald's mother (unless > we accept the theory of Donald's cousin Della). Oy! Some of that actually might make sense. Since I learned from this list that Grandma's real name is "Bella", then as sister of "Della" we'd have rhyming "twins"?? Just to throw a monkey wrench in the works, I've seen a story once with Unca $crooge and Grandma Duck dating. What's that? Incest? > Rich wrote: > >On the tree is listed Donald, Huey, Dewey, Louie, Gyro, Gus, Scrooge, Grand > > This is the first time I have seen Gyro mentioned as a relative to any of > the other characters. What is his relation? Are there any other references > to him as a relative? I don't think Barks intended him as a relative. Got me! But you can check the story out for yourself. I dunno what to make of it. I can't imagine what you get when you cross a Chicken with a Duck. A "Chuck"? A "Dicken"? Or maybe it was through the Goose lineage. A "Choose"? A "Gooken"? A "Ganduck?" As I listed in a previous letter, yes, Gyro has a nephew named "Newton." Whelp! I've done my damage for one day. ;-) -Rich From starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE Thu Mar 25 01:43:06 1993 From: starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Per Starb{ck) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 93 01:43:06 +0100 Subject: Notes on some assorted relatives and Barks's Duck family tree. Message-ID: <9303250043.AA17499@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE> Fethry Duck ~~~~~~~~~~~ Andreas Gammel: > And there's another cousin who wears a green woolen cap. Harry Fluks: > I understand his cap is not always _green_ in other countries; one > Englishman once asked for foreign names of "the guy with the red woolen > cap". Here in Sweden he wears pink. The only time I've seen Fethry in an American publication (WDC 509) it was red. Gladstone Gander ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Harry Fluks again: > On the first pages of 'Race to the South Seas', a Barks story from 1949, > the relation between Donald and Scrooge, and Gladstone and Scrooge is > explained. I don't know it by head, but I can look it up. As far as I > remember, Gladstone is a "distant" cousin, i.e. a son of a cousin of > Donald's father, or so. Here are the relevant quotes: Donald: "And my uncle on my mother's side is Scrooge McDuck, the richest man in the world!" Gladstone: "So what? Scrooge McDuck is *my* mother's brother's brother-in-law, and I'm going to get a *big* cut of his fortune, too!" Barks's Duck Family Tree ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Those quotes agree with that Duck Family Tree which Barks made in the early fifties. It is published in Carl Barks Library, Set VI, p. 476, and I won't try to redraw it here, but the information in it is: Old "Scotty" McDuck had the following children: Matilda McDuck who married Goosetave Gander, Scrooge McDuck, Hortense McDuck. Grandma Duck had the following children: Quackmore Duck, Daphne, who married Luke the Goose. Hortense McDuck and Quackmore Duck married and had Thelma Duck (the mother of Huey, Dewey and Louie) and Donald Duck. Luke the Goose and Daphne had one son, Gladstone, who was orphaned when Daphne and Luke overate at a free-lunch picnic. Gladstone was then adopted by Matilda McDuck and Goosetave Gander! Gus Goose was a nephew of Luke the Goose "making him a very distant `cousin' of Donald". Other trees ~~~~~~~~~~~ Harry: > There is at least one family tree published in a book about Donald Duck's > life (published in Holland in 1984 - or was it 1987?), the story and > tree are of Italian origin. In the story, Scrooge is Grandma's brother, and > Donald is an _adopted_ child (Grandma never got married). I guess you (and in a later post Fredrik Ekman) mean "Buon compeanno, Paperino" by Marco Rota which we have discussed here before? (Swedish title: Mitt liv i ett "aggskal.) There is no family tree in the Swedish edition though. The question of how Scrooge and Grandma are related is a crucial point when making a Duck family tree. I prefer the solution in Barks's tree where they aren't related at all. After all, Scrooge grew up in Scotland, surely (?) Grandma didn't! I have some more things to say about Grandma, but that'll have to wait to a later post. Rich: > The only comic I could find with a picture of the Duck Family > Tree was in UNCLE DONALD AND HIS NEPHEWS: FAMILY FUN #38 (Dell, 1960) > On the tree is listed Donald, Huey, Dewey, Louie, Gyro, Gus, Scrooge, Grandma, > Gladstone, Daisy, April, May, June, and three I am not familiar with: So how are they related according to that tree? Harry > There must be other 'origin' stories of the Duck family... Fredrik> I have read at least two. One American that was published in Fredrik> Sweden in the late 60's (I think). The Swedish title Fredrik> translates to "This is you life, Donald Duck". Four color #1109 (1960), reprinted in Gladstone's Donald Duck Comic Digest #4. Doesn't say much about how the ducks are related though. -- " Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se "Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!" From rich.bellacera at amail.amdahl.com Wed Mar 24 17:10:00 1993 From: rich.bellacera at amail.amdahl.com (rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com) Date: Wednesday, 24 March 1993 17:10 PT Subject: So how are they related? Message-ID: From: starback at juts > Rich: > > The only comic I could find with a picture of the Duck Family > > Tree was in UNCLE DONALD AND HIS NEPHEWS: FAMILY FUN #38 (Dell, 1960) > > On the tree is listed Donald, Huey, Dewey, Louie, Gyro, Gus, Scrooge, Gran > > Gladstone, Daisy, April, May, June, and three I am not familiar with: > > So how are they related according to that tree? It actually doesn't present anything all that clearly. It just has everyone at the end of a branch conveniently lumped together according to familiar groupings. It is not exactly like this but similar. Of Gyro course I wasn't able to list everyone. Donald \ Scrooge I like Per's Bark's Family Tree better. \ \ | Grandma Huey ----\ \|| / Dewey---\\ || / Daisy Louie--\\ ||/ /---April Gus\\|| //---May \ | |//---June \| / -Rich | | (not a duck) / \ From jellybea at kauri.vuw.ac.nz Thu Mar 25 02:37:49 1993 From: jellybea at kauri.vuw.ac.nz (jellybea@kauri.vuw.ac.nz) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1993 13:37:49 +1200 Subject: Hello everyone Message-ID: <199303250137.AA23537@kauri.vuw.ac.nz> Scary thought for the day... At this exact moment in time I am awake while you are all sleeping. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!! Jellybeans From rivers at seismo.CSS.GOV Thu Mar 25 04:55:49 1993 From: rivers at seismo.CSS.GOV (Wilmer Rivers) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 93 22:55:49 EST Subject: Daisy Duck Message-ID: <9303250355.AA12153@beno.CSS.GOV> How does Daisy fit into the family tree? How closely related is she to Donald? They are courting, of course, but they have the same surname "Duck". Do we know anything about her family other than that she is the aunt of April, May, and June? Who are AM&J's parents? Speaking of dating your relatives, how closely are Mickey Mouse and Minnie Mouse related? And will Luigi **PLEASE** tell us about their wedding???? Wilmer Rivers rivers at seismo.css.gov From krieg at ct.med.ge.com Thu Mar 25 17:13:00 1993 From: krieg at ct.med.ge.com (Andrew Krieg 5-5379) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 93 10:13:00 CST Subject: Upcoming Comics Message-ID: <9303251613.AA17075@ct.med.ge.com> Some additions and corrections for Luigi's list. >>From: luigi bevilacqua >> >>=============================================================================== >>Disney & Gladstone: latest info: shipping program >> >>Shipping Publisher Series Remarks >> month I changed the numbers on the issues to correspond with the month printed on the cover of the comics, not the shipping month. Comics are generally released about a month before their cover dates. April Disney Aladdin: More Arabian Nights #2 32 pp. $1.50 >> April Disney Dinosaurs#2 -newsstand edition 48 pp. $2.95 >> Disney Adventures#32 128 pp. $1.95 >> Donald Duck Adventures#37 32 pp. $1.50 "The Duck Who Fell to Earth" by Rosa. "Balms Away" by William van Horn. 2 short Barks reprints, "Beans" and "Play Ball". >> Uncle Scrooge#279 32 pp. $1.50 (Rosa cover?) Yes, there is a Rosa cover. Reprints Barks' "Back to Long Ago" >> WD Comics & Stories#584 48 pp. $1.50 (48pp at the >> same price?) I don't think it's 48 pp., just the regular 32. Reprints Barks' "The Easter Parade". Mickey Mouse and Goofy in "A Lad 'n His Lamp" by Vic Lockman. April Gladstone Complete Carl Barks Library of WDC&S #15 56 pp. $8.95 Reprints Carl Barks' stories from WDC&S #102-106. Reprinted stories are "Pizen Spring Dude Ranch", "Rival Beachcombers", "The Sunken Yacht", "Managing the Echo System", and "Plenty of Pets". Complete Carl Barks Library of Gyro Gearloose #2 48 pp. $7.95 Reprints Barks' Gyro stories from Uncle Scrooge #20-27, Vacation in Disneyland #1025 and reprints "The Pied Piper of Duckburg", a story completed by Don Rosa. Other stories are " Roscoe the Robot", "Getting Thor", "The Know-It-All Machine", "Gyro Goes for a Dip", "The Wishing Well", "Krankenstein Gyro", "The Dream Planet", and "The Firefly Tracker". =============================================================================== >> May Disney Disney Adventures#33 128 pp. $1.95 >> May Gladstone (All Gladstone's series will be bi-monthly) (These comics are still under the Disney label. June labeled comics should be the first Gladstone issues.) >> Donald Duck Adventures#38 32 pp. $1.50 (Rosa cover?) Probably no Rosa cover. "A Small Matter" by William van Horn. "Have Gun, Will Dance" by Barks. >> WD Comics & Stories#585 32 pp. $1.50 (Actually this is a 48 pp. issue for $2.50) Reprints Barks "Gladstone's Secret". Also has "Mickey Mouse, Circus Roustabout" by Gottfredson and Taliaferro. NEVER BEFORE IN A U.S. COMIC! >> Uncle Scrooge#280 32 pp. $1.50 (Rosa cover?) Yes, there is a Rosa cover. Reprints Barks' "The Strange Shipwrecks". Gladstone Complete Carl Barks Library of WDC&S #16 56 pp. $8.95 Reprints Carl Barks' stories from WDC&S #107-111. Reprinted stroies are "Super Snooper", "The Great Duckburg Frog Jumping Contest", "Dowsing Ducks", "The Goldilocks Gambit", and "Donald's Love Letters". Applewood Walt Disney's Sketch-Book of Snow White & the Seven Dwarfs 110 pp. $29.95 Hardcover book. =============================================================================== June Gladstone Donald Duck Adventures #21 32 pp. $1.50 (Rosa cover) Reprints Barks' "The Secret of Hondorica" from Donald Duck #46. Uncle Scrooge #281 32 pp. $1.50 (Rosa cover) Reprints Barks' "The Rainbow Factor" from WDC&S #155. Also the Danish story "A Matter of Security". WDC&S #586 32 pp. $1.50 Reprints Barks' "Donald Beats the Odds" from WDC&S #163. Also part 1 of Gottfredson's "The Lair of Wolf Barker". Gladstone Complete Carl Barks Library of WDC&S #17 56 pp. $8.95 Reprints Carl Barks' stories from WDC&S #112, 114, 117, 124 and 125. Reprinted stories are "Rip Van Donald", "Mission to Codfish Cove", "Wild About Flowers", "Billions to Sneeze At", and "Operation St. Bernard". Complete Carl Barks Library of Gyro Gearloose #3 48 pp. $7.95 Reprints Barks' Gyro stories from Uncle Scrooge #28, 29, and Gyro Gearloose Four Color #104. Too many stories and one-page gags to list! Disney Disney Illustrated Classic: Snow White 96 pp. $14.95 Jim Razzi (story) and Fred Marvin (paintings) retell the classic tale. =============================================================================== >> July Gladstone Donald Duck#280 >> Donald & Mickey#1 >> Uncle Scrooge Adventures#22 >> From jellybea at kauri.vuw.ac.nz Thu Mar 25 21:58:07 1993 From: jellybea at kauri.vuw.ac.nz (jellybea@kauri.vuw.ac.nz) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1993 08:58:07 +1200 Subject: Hello again everyone Message-ID: <199303252058.AA14239@kauri.vuw.ac.nz> How are you all today?? Can the disney club member (or members) in Norway PLEASE contact me because I've got some Norwegian questions to ask him/her. Jellybeans From jellybea at kauri.vuw.ac.nz Fri Mar 26 00:41:34 1993 From: jellybea at kauri.vuw.ac.nz (jellybea@kauri.vuw.ac.nz) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1993 11:41:34 +1200 Subject: Wake up everyone and write to me!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <199303252341.AA20887@kauri.vuw.ac.nz> Please. Jellybeans From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl Fri Mar 26 09:02:48 1993 From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks) Date: 26 Mar 1993 09:02:48 +0100 Subject: Replies, replies Message-ID: <199303260802.AA17473@athena.research.ptt.nl> There was a lot of traffic on the list yesterday! Andreas, Luigi, Jamal, Torsten, Jellysomething, Per, Rich, Wilmer: I'll reply to some of your letters here: Andreas Gammel - Dumbella Duck: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ..who features very rarely in a few DD-stories. I remember she's big and fat. When I aksed Andreas for more details, it became clear that he actually meant Belle (Dutch: Bella) Duck. She appeared in some "Foreign market" or "S-coded" stories. Belle is in love with Scrooge, and has nothing to do with HDL. Luigi Bevilacqua - Albi d'Oro: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > "Albi d'Oro" was a Mondadori's weekly series (...) > Each issue, in b/w and color, had 32 pages. I asked about that because I have exactly one Italian comic book: "Almanacco Topolino", aprile 1970, 132 pages. It has a label on the left top of the cover, saying "Albi d'Oro Pubblic. mensile N. 160 - Lire 250" (Golden books, published monthly, Number 160, 250 lires). So I assumed "Albi d'Oro" was a general name, while this comic book was called Almanacco Topolino (Mickey Mouse Almanac). > What does "Hartelijke groeten" mean? I won't tell you before you've told us everything about Mickey's wedding... (But you can have the hartelijke groeten again, if you wish 8-) Jamal Hannah, about the artist of the Dell comics series "Duck Album": ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > (I could probly track the name down if I had some Gladstone Digests handy, > but I dont..) You could also try the Dell comics list by Kjell Crone, available on our ftp-site... The "lousy artist" could be Phil DeLara. Torsten Adair - human mothers: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > When was the last time you saw a human-looking mother in a Disney animated > movie? In "Beauty and the beast", mrs. Teapot and her son Chip (I don't know their exact English names). Just like the Beast, they _are_ human... Jellybea at kauri.vuw.ac.nz (who must be sleeping at the moment) - Scrooge's dime: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Why does that witch duck [Magica De Spell] want Scrooges dime? In the first story she appears ("The Midas Touch"), she explained her theory to Scrooge: she thinks that an object that has been _touched_ a lot by a rich person, must have gotten some of the magic power that can make her rich as well. A kind of Midas touch, so to say. Of course, Scrooge must have touched his first dime a lot, so it must have a lot of power... I think it is only after Magica showed interest in the dime, that Scrooge started to believe in his dime himself (starting near the end of that same Midas Touch story). There is only one _earlier_ story with the number one dime, but with no reference to "luck" at all. > Does anyone want to be my penpal and write in the old fashioned way with > ink and paper?? Why would you want to do that, if you have e-mail? (You don't _have_ to put all your mails on the mailing list..) The only advantage I can see, is that one can send non-ascii things like comics and photos. But the disadvantages are: it takes a lot of time before you get a reaction, and it's not for free. But then, if your access to e-mail is limited or will end soon, "snail mail" is a good alternative.. " Per Starback, about HDL's mother sending the nephews to Donald: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > What about the cartoon? I haven't seen it for some time---is it > absolutely clear that Donald's sister Dumbella is the mother of the > boys there? In Marcia Blitz's book about Donald Duck, a story of "Donald's Nephews" is printed, compiled from photos of the original cartoon. One photo shows the text of Dumbella's postcard (addressed to Mr. Donald Duck, Hollywood, Calif.): Dear Brother - I am sending your angel nephews to visit you - Sister Dumbella So I guess that's all we have. Dumbella is most likely their mother, but not necessarily. I would agree with Della being short for Dumbella. The word "cousin" in the newspaper strips could be a "typing error" (if you _insist_ on a consistent explanation). Actually, her name could be Dumbella Thelma Duck 8-). Rich Bellacera, about Grandma Duck: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Since I learned from this list that Grandma's real name is "Bella", (...) You mixed up two things: there is a character "Bella" in the "Foreign market" comics (see the top of this letter). And there is the Dutch name of Grandma, which is "Dora". No American name for Grandma is known, though. > I can't imagine what you get when you cross a Chicken with a Duck. Well, all those characters _are_ crossings of humans and ducks/chickens etc. Just look at them when they are bathing or swimming (especially Gyro!). So maybe they are related because they have the same _human_ mother... (so Rich, you're "not a duck", but you may be related to the ducks after all! 8-) Jellybean (is that a real name?): ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > At this exact moment in time I am awake while you are all sleeping. This reminds me of a gag on the back of one of the old Gladstone comics. A man walks on the street with a sign, saying "The world could end tomorrow". "Nonsense!", says Scrooge, "It's already tomorrow in New Zealand!" Wilmer Rivers - April, May and June: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Who are AMJ's parents? We may not know that, but we can say something about the address of their mother, Daisy's sister: she lives in Dizzy street (or Coma Way), in the rightmost house in that street, in appartment one (next door to prof. Batty). (And now _you_ find out which story I'm referring to 8-) --Harry. Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak PTT Research, Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl "Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!" From starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE Sat Mar 27 00:13:33 1993 From: starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Per Starb{ck) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 93 00:13:33 +0100 Subject: Old Number One (Scrooge's first dime) Message-ID: <9303262313.AA29161@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE> Jellybeans asked why Magica de Spell wants Scrooge's first dime. Rich: > I have not seen the comic that explains that, but I think it was explained in > a Ducktales episode. I believe it had something to do with being Uncle > $crooge's first (ever) earned wage or found commodity. I haven't seen that DuckTales episode, but it must be "Once Upon a Dime" where (as far as I've understood) Scrooge earns his first dime from chipping off mud off a ditchdigger's boots. That is lifted from "Getting that Healthy, Wealthy Feeling", a non-Barks story drawn by Tony Strobl (US 50, reprinted in US 187). Barks himself, who "invented" Old Number One, never mentioned how Scrooge earned it. That was in Scrooge's youth back in Scotland, so it's a little mystery why he was payed and accepted an American dime. Anyway that might be the reason for him never spending it. Jack L. Chalker, in his "An Informal Biography of Scrooge McDuck", says that an American silver dime almost looks like an 1860 British twopenny piece. I guess he means that Scrooge didn't see the difference when he accepted it as payment, but Stephen Eberhart has later argued against that: This is hardly the case! Both would have been silver, yes, but twopenny pieces were much smaller and, after 1820, only minted regularly for use in a few colonies (such as Guiana) or for distribution to select elderly poor by the royal household on Maundy Thursday, hence not a commonly circulating denomination in Britain until revived in copper in 1971 as two new pence. Further, the designs on such Maundy sets were always busts of Queen Victoria (at varying ages) while U.S. coinage of the period changed from Liberty bust to seated full figure in 1837, so it would only have been conceivable to have confused a much older U.S. dime with a post-1887 sixpence piece to even roughly match size and design. Perhaps the dime, like the shoes, was caked with mud! [This is from the article "McDucks In The Highlands -- Scottish Backgrounds in the Duck Stories of Carl Barks and Tony Strobl" in The Barks Collector #23 (1982).] I still haven't earned *my* first dime, so I don't know how they look, but Eberhart seems not to take into account that we *have* gotten a closer look at the dime. That's in "Billions in the Hole" (US 33) which might be of interest to the numismatically interested. As for why Magica wants the dime, Harry has already answered that. In that first story with her she had collected various coins from other rich people as well, and planned on melting all the coins together (in the sulphurous fires of Mt. Vesuvius), so their mystic powers would fuse into a super amulet. "And with that amulet I, too, can become rich, *rich*, *RICH*!" Harry: > I think it is only after Magica showed interest in the dime, that Scrooge > started to believe in his dime himself (starting near the end of that > same Midas Touch story). Yes, just before Magica appears the following exchange takes place: Donald: You know, some people thint that old dime is the *secret* of your wealth --- that it's worked as a sort of *charm* for you! Scrooge: Bah! Mere superstition! *Thriftiness* is the secret of my wealth! And this old dime is a *symbol* of that thriftiness --- nothing more! > There is only one _earlier_ story with the number one dime, but with > no reference to "luck" at all. Ha, gotcha! :-) It's at least in "The Second-Richest Duck" (US 15) *and* "Billions in the Hole" (US 33); both before "The Midas Touch" (US 36). -- " Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se "But when he pressed that dime into my sweaty little palm, I was the happiest young duck in the world!" From starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE Sat Mar 27 00:27:06 1993 From: starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Per Starb{ck) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 93 00:27:06 +0100 Subject: Happy Birthday Message-ID: <9303262327.AA29433@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE> Here in Sweden it's been March 27 for almost half an hour now, that is Carl Barks's birthday! Just thought I'd remind you all in case you want something to celebrate. :-) -- Per From jellybea at kauri.vuw.ac.nz Sat Mar 27 04:54:11 1993 From: jellybea at kauri.vuw.ac.nz (jellybea@kauri.vuw.ac.nz) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1993 15:54:11 +1200 Subject: Happy Birthday to you Message-ID: <199303270354.AA20570@kauri.vuw.ac.nz> Happy birthday to you Happy birthday Carl Banks Happy birthday to you. Jellybeans From jellybea at kauri.vuw.ac.nz Sat Mar 27 04:54:11 1993 From: jellybea at kauri.vuw.ac.nz (jellybea@kauri.vuw.ac.nz) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1993 15:54:11 +1200 Subject: Happy Birthday to you Message-ID: <199303270354.AA20570@kauri.vuw.ac.nz> Happy birthday to you Happy birthday Carl Banks Happy birthday to you. Jellybeans From jellybea at kauri.vuw.ac.nz Sat Mar 27 04:57:46 1993 From: jellybea at kauri.vuw.ac.nz (jellybea@kauri.vuw.ac.nz) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1993 15:57:46 +1200 Subject: Hello everyone, Message-ID: <199303270357.AA20658@kauri.vuw.ac.nz> Isn't it most excellent that there are nearly 50 of us all over the world writing to each other/?? I think so too. What's the name of that Scottish duck that competes with Scrooge for Richest duck in the world?? That was my intelligent question for the day, I'm out of here. Jellybeans From torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Sat Mar 27 16:28:36 1993 From: torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1993 09:28:36 -0600 (CST) Subject: Replies, replies In-Reply-To: <199303260802.AA17473@athena.research.ptt.nl> Message-ID: On 26 Mar 1993, Harry Fluks wrote: > There was a lot of traffic on the list yesterday! > Andreas, Luigi, Jamal, Torsten, Jellysomething, Per, Rich, Wilmer: I'll reply > to some of your letters here: > > > What does "Hartelijke groeten" mean? Probably the same thing as Herzlichen Gruessen. (Pardon my German, it's been a while since I studied Asterix.) > I won't tell you before you've told us everything about Mickey's wedding... > (But you can have the hartelijke groeten again, if you wish 8-) Anyone who wants to hear a slightly dirty joke about Mickey Mouse and his divorce, e-mail your requests to: torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu > You could also try the Dell comics list by Kjell Crone, available on our > ftp-site... Specifics please? > Torsten Adair - human mothers: > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > When was the last time you saw a human-looking mother in a Disney animated > > movie? > In "Beauty and the beast", mrs. Teapot and her son Chip (I don't know their > exact English names). Just like the Beast, they _are_ human... Whoops. I meant in a leading role, like Triton or Maurice. BTW, my favorite piece of animation, Disney or otherwise, is Night on Bald Mountain. Considering the lack of merchandise of Chernobog, I doubt he has appeared in a Disney comic. > Jellybean (is that a real name?): > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > At this exact moment in time I am awake while you are all sleeping. > > This reminds me of a gag on the back of one of the old Gladstone comics. > A man walks on the street with a sign, saying "The world could end tomorrow". > "Nonsense!", says Scrooge, "It's already tomorrow in New Zealand!" California proverb: "Today is Yesterday's Tomorrow." Would anyone care to post other pearls of wisdom from the Ducks? Torsten torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA From torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Sat Mar 27 18:01:46 1993 From: torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1993 11:01:46 -0600 (CST) Subject: Hello everyone, In-Reply-To: <199303270357.AA20658@kauri.vuw.ac.nz> Message-ID: On Sat, 27 Mar 1993 jellybea at kauri.vuw.ac.nz wrote: > Isn't it most excellent that there are nearly 50 of us all over the world > writing to each other/?? I think so too. > > What's the name of that Scottish duck that competes with Scrooge for Richest > duck in the world?? According to DuckTales, his name is Flinthart McGlomgold. I don't remember seeing him in the comic book, but I'm sure someone will prove me wrong. Torsten torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu From starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE Mon Mar 29 01:38:27 1993 From: starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Per Starb{ck) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 93 01:38:27 +0200 Subject: Various replies to various replies Message-ID: <9303282338.AA11989@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE> Jamal: > I seem to remember having a couple issues of "Donald Duck's Family Album" > .. a Disney Comic that came out in the early 1960's, published by Dell > (Western Publishing), and drawn by a rather lousy (in my opinion) > artist. (I could probly track the name down if I had some Gladstone > Digests handy, but I dont..) Harry: > You could also try the Dell comics list by Kjell Crone, available on our > ftp-site... Torsten: > Specifics please? In ftp.lysator.liu.se:/pub/comics/disney/crone there are some comics titled "Duck Album" and "Donald Duck Album" in the file four-colors.titles. Unfortunately there are no dates of comics there---I guess they ought to be added. Then in the file four-colors.index are the data on the comics in those books. Maybe one of the books Jamal has is OS 1239 from 1961. Then the index says: > W OS 1239 FC 1 FD CB Under the bear fur > W OS 1239 01 1 US JB QUICK THINKING KA 620101 > W OS 1239 02 9 DD JB PACKAGE PROBLEM KA 623101 > W OS 1239 03 6 DA JB IN THE KNOW KA 624603 > W OS 1239 04 2 DD JB BIG CAT CAPER > W OS 1239 05 5 US JB PRIZE MISPRINT KA 664901 > W OS 1239 06 4 GG JB FORGETFUL FOWL KA 623102 > W OS 1239 07 5 GD JB FARMY-TYPE FRIENDS KA 623305 > W OS 1239 08 1 DD JB HIGH AND HIGH > W OS 1239 09 1 DA JB IN THE BAG > W OS 1239 10 1 DD TS BIG DEAL KA 630306 Then it's evidently Jack Bradbury (= JB) that Jamal thinks is lousy. Four Color 1140 which is a Donald Duck Album from 1960 is mostly by Tony Strobl (= TS) though. None of them are lousy in my humble opinion by the way. Harry: > Why would you want to do that [use paper mail], if you have e-mail? Does your employer know that you're badmouthing snail mail like that. :-) Jellybeans: > Where did Darkwing Duck get his powers from? > I must confess that I've never read a Darkwing Duck comic, I've only seen > him on TV. Rich: > I believe the Disney Afternoon series gave a couple different scenarios for > that answer. I forget which is accepted as canon. Maybe Stephanie or one of > the other Ranger-Listers can answer that. She isn't on this list though, but I guess the ranger-listers will know the answer to that question (if there is one). Write to Stephanie da Silva to join ranger-list which is about Disney TV animation. -- " Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se "Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!" From wft at math.canterbury.ac.nz Mon Mar 29 17:09:52 1993 From: wft at math.canterbury.ac.nz (wft@math.canterbury.ac.nz) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 93 17:09:52 NZS Subject: Flintheart Glomgold; and a poll. Message-ID: <9303290509.AA20467@ssst22.math.canterbury.ac.nz> > This reminds me of a gag on the back of one of the old Gladstone comics. > A man walks on the street with a sign, saying "The world could end tomorrow". > "Nonsense!", says Scrooge, "It's already tomorrow in New Zealand!" This is a lie ! It's only today, over here ! ;-) >According to DuckTales, his name is Flinthart McGlomgold. I don't >remember seeing him in the comic book, but I'm sure someone will prove me >wrong. Indeed so. He has appeared in two comics. In the first, where he appeared for the first time, Scrooge met him accidentally as they attempted to wind each other's string onto their own ball of spare string. After this inauspicious start, they soon got into a slanging match over who was the richest duck in the world, and it eventually had to be decided on who had the most spare string. After a hilarious trek across the South African veld, laying out their string alongside each other's, it came to a dead heat ! But then Scrooge remembered he had a little extra - the string on his old number one dime !!! So he won, due to the dime, again. In the second story, they again had to compare wealth, by converting it all to coins, and piling it up into two huge piles. There was a lot of carry-on involving a shrinking chemical; and Glomgold was found cheating by inflating his pile with a giant ballon inside. ---- I greatly enjoyed both stories; indeed I would put the first one on my short list of 5 favourite Disney comics of all. Speaking of this, if others don't mind joining in an inane and childish poll, how about just listing your best 5 comics ? It would be interesting to see comparisons. I'll start the ball rolling with my top 5..... 1. Scrooge in Alantis at the bottom of the sea. 2. The Terries and Firmies. 3. The land of square people and hens. 4. The Magica story where the nephews snap her wand into several bits. 5. The first Glomgold story (with the spare string). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Taylor wft at math.canterbury.ac.nz ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ We've got into Taylor's .sig. Yours will be next. Resistance is futile. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl Mon Mar 29 12:21:51 1993 From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks) Date: 29 Mar 1993 12:21:51 +0200 Subject: Flintheart Glomgold; and a poll. Message-ID: <199303291021.AA16249@athena.research.ptt.nl> > From: wft at math.canterbury.ac.nz > > >According to DuckTales, his name is Flinthart McGlomgold. I don't > >remember seeing him in the comic book, but I'm sure someone will prove me > >wrong. In the comics, it's Flintheart Glomgold. > Indeed so. He has appeared in two comics. Well, he appeared in three Barks comics stories, actually. In the third story, he is just a villain, competing with Scrooge to get a contract for some oil well, or so. And there are a lot of Danish stories featuring Glomgold. > if others don't mind joining in an inane and childish poll, > how about just listing your best 5 comics ? It would be interesting to > see comparisons. I have been thinking about that for some time. Ken Bausert (some American fan) one organized a Barks story poll. There were some surprizing results. He asked people about their favorite 10-pager, 1-page gag, cover, etc. Maybe this is a good time to start a Disney-comics mailing list poll. I would propose the following rules: - List only Barks material. Stories where Barks did the script or art only are OK. Check our Barks indices on the ftp site for story candidates. Indicate the stories in such a way I can identify them. Just like 'wft' did. - List the following items: 1. The 5 best "stort" stories, i.e. 2 to 10 pages 2. The 5 best gags (1 page or less) 3. The 5 best "long" stories, i.e. 11 pages or more 4. The 5 best covers 5. The 5 _worst_ Barks stories! (or, if you wish, the "least good" stories) - Mail your entries to me or to the list (?). I'll add things up to make an all-over Barks top-5 for each category. Send in before, let's say, tuesday, april 6th. How about that? What would you prefer? Sending to the list directly or sending to me, to keep the results a surprize? And would you like a non-Barks top-5 too? --Harry. Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak PTT Research, Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl "Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!" From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl Mon Mar 29 12:33:27 1993 From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks) Date: 29 Mar 1993 12:33:27 +0200 Subject: Old Number One (Scrooge's first dime) - April May and June question Message-ID: <199303291033.AA16473@athena.research.ptt.nl> " Per Starback replied to my mail: me> There is only one _earlier_ story [before Magica's first appearance] me> with the number one dime, but with no reference to "luck" at all. Per> Ha, gotcha! :-) It's at least in "The Second-Richest Duck" (US 15) Per> *and* "Billions in the Hole" (US 33); both before "The Midas Touch" Per> (US 36). I never thought of that! I always thought Barks revived the dime when he introduced Magica... This shows one can learn a lot from joining the disney-comics mailing list! Thank you, Per. Something different: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A question about April, May and June: I know in which story they appeard first, but when was their _second_ appearance? And when did they get their _names_? --Harry. Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak PTT Research, Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl "Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!" From bevilal at hp1.sm.dsi.unimi.it Mon Mar 29 13:04:27 1993 From: bevilal at hp1.sm.dsi.unimi.it (luigi bevilacqua) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 93 13:04:27 METDST Subject: Mickey's wedding- FINAL Message-ID: <9303291104.AA14253@hp1.sm.dsi.unimi.it> ============================================================================== Ok...Ok... I tell you everything... Info: This story was published in Topolino#1785, Febr. 11, 1990. This issue was dedicated to S.Valentino's date (Febr. 14). It was written by M.Marconi and drawn by Giorgio Cavazzano. Its length is 28 pages. Plot: After a dispute with Minnie, for an engagement matter, Mickey gives a lift to a mouse-girl because it is raining cats and dogs (but not mouses!! Ah..Ah.. Idiomatic form- n.d.r.). Her name is Samantha and she lives in an "Addams Family style" house with her father. In a month they frequent each other a lot. After that period, like a romance, they decide to get marry but her father doesn't agree with them; because Mickey doesn't know who (or what?) Samantha is. She is a WITCH (and her father is a wizard) and she demonstrates her magic. Samantha's father says that they will have many problems among normal people because her powers, but they are sure about their decision and so, some days later, they get married... Paaaaa Paaa Pa Paaaaaaaaaaaa... Honey Moon... (nothing is drawn! Nothing is written! At the next page there is just "The day after..." ...Uuuhhmmm...) And now the troubles begin; because she promised to NOT use her "snapping" magic powers, especially in public places, but she can't! She uses them always: to cook (automatically), to park (impossibly), to do shopping (queue vanished), to make raining (only on a house), to bring Pluto to the park (but flying!), even to force Peg-leg Pete to give himself up! In a while citizens protest about Samatha's presence in town, with bills like "Samantha, go home!" or "Magic? No, thank you!". The situation is very critical and so... ... Samantha's father do a magic. Nothing happened. They are never been married and nobody knows or remembers anything. Mickey and Samatha realize it is better so and Mickey leaves Samantha and her father. The only thing MM has is a photograph of Samantha's face with a phrase: "To my endless love..." THE END Remarks: This story is not exactly like "What if?" Marvel series story or an imaginary story. Ok, Mickey is single now but he HAS BEEN MARRIED. Magic is, of course, an excuse to do everything. The name "Samantha" and "snapping" magic powers come from a TV series, with a man married to a witch (and a daughter too, if I remember well). Anyway, It is a very funny story, with more romantic feelings than usually. I don't know if all of you will ever see this story because, as I said some weeks ago, Disney USA denied this marriage and decided to never reprint it, anywhere. Is it so or not? Anyone of you kwons something more? And what do you think about this story? BYE LUIGI From bevilal at hp1.sm.dsi.unimi.it Mon Mar 29 13:15:53 1993 From: bevilal at hp1.sm.dsi.unimi.it (luigi bevilacqua) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 93 13:15:53 METDST Subject: Where are the cities? Message-ID: <9303291115.AA14436@hp1.sm.dsi.unimi.it> ============================================================================== Hi, I have two little question. Where is Duckburg in the world? I saw a story (but it was Italian) where Duckburg is exactly at Los Angeles position, is it like in original stories? Is there a Barks story with a map of Duckburg position? Where is Mickey's city? (I don't know the English name, In an Italian story was between Tallahassee and Tampa, in Florida) BYE! LUIGI ============================================================================== From AREID at MARY.FORDHAM.EDU Mon Mar 29 14:03:36 1993 From: AREID at MARY.FORDHAM.EDU (Darin Reid) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1993 07:03:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: Flintheart Glomgold Message-ID: <733406616.790000.AREID@MARY.FORDHAM.EDU> In addition to the Barks stories featuring Glomgold, and the foreign stories, there is the is the now classic Don Rosa epic, "Son of the Sun". Flintheart has always been my second-favorite character (behind Scrooge). He's Scrooge's amusement park reflection, somewhat like him but distorted. Scrooge deep down loves his money, but loves his family more (although not in his earlier appearences), Glomgold is obsessed with only his money. Although since Scrooge was proven richer, his biggest obssesion might be proving he's richer... - Darin -- Bitnet : Areid at Fordmulc __ _ __ Unix/AIX: Reid at Dsm.Fordham.Edu / ) ' ) ) / Vax/VMS : Areid at Mary.Fordham.Edu / / __. __ o ____ /--' _ o __/ DECnet : MARY::AREID /__/_(_/|_/ (_<_/ / <_ / \_; from "luigi bevilacqua" at Mar 29, 93 01:15:53 pm Message-ID: <9303291826.AA12104@silver.lcs.mit.edu> > Hi, > > I have two little question. > > Where is Duckburg in the world? > > I saw a story (but it was Italian) where Duckburg is exactly at > Los Angeles position, is it like in original stories? > Is there a Barks story with a map of Duckburg position? > > Where is Mickey's city? (I don't know the English name, > In an Italian story was between Tallahassee and Tampa, in Florida) > > BYE! > LUIGI > Yeah.. and how about Cape Suzzette (Baloo's island), the city that Sher Khan lives in, Darkwing Duck's town (near duckberg?) and the city that Goof Troop centers on? (Hmm.. are there any Goof Troop stories?) Did "Super Goof" have a spacific town he lived in? - Jamal From jamal at silver.lcs.mit.edu Mon Mar 29 20:34:01 1993 From: jamal at silver.lcs.mit.edu (Jamal Hannah) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 93 13:34:01 EST Subject: Italian Disney Comic Book In-Reply-To: <9303291104.AA14253@hp1.sm.dsi.unimi.it>; from "luigi bevilacqua" at Mar 29, 93 01:04:27 pm Message-ID: <9303291834.AA12184@silver.lcs.mit.edu> Hi.. I was wondering, Luigi, since you are Italian.. what is the translation of the name of the book "Il Grandi Classici Disney"? This is a rather thick book that I used to find uin a newsstand that was obviously from Italy. I bought a couple issues because some of the art was very good (better than american Diney Comics before we got people like Don Rosa doing Donald Duck, John Blair Moore/Gary Martin doing Darkwing Duck (very nice artwork, thought he backgrounds are minimal), and simmilarly decent artists doing the comics based on the Disney Aftenoon series. I remember one Italian Uncle Scrooge story where he had a friend or relative who had telepathic powers. Ever seen that? - Jamal From torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Tue Mar 30 05:53:03 1993 From: torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1993 21:53:03 -0600 (CST) Subject: Mickey's wedding- FINAL In-Reply-To: <9303291104.AA14253@hp1.sm.dsi.unimi.it> Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Mar 1993, luigi bevilacqua wrote: > ============================================================================== > Ok...Ok... I tell you everything... > > Remarks: > The name "Samantha" and "snapping" magic powers come from a TV series, > with a man married to a witch (and a daughter too, if I remember well). Bewitched. Samantha, Darrin, and Tabitha. A fun show, with a wonderful cast. Disney could probably kill this story using the argument that it is somewhat plageristic. > Anyway, It is a very funny story, with more romantic feelings than usually. > I don't know if all of you will ever see this story because, as I said > some weeks ago, Disney USA denied this marriage and decided to never reprint > it, anywhere. Anybody got a photocopier? > And what do you think about this story? Is there a Disney cartoon where Mickey gets married? There is an old (B&W) Warner Brothers cartoon where Porky marries Petunia, which turns out to be a nightmare. Why didn't the father just magic away Samantha's knowledge of witchcraft? And is the sorceror related to Magica de Spell, and/or Yen Sid? And was Samantha more likable than Minnie? And why does Mickey have such a high voice? Is it because of the lobotomy he received in 1940? Or is it something more controversial? And remember, Minnie isn't crazy, she's just _______ goofy. Torsten "wondering what happened to Goofy's wife on Goof Troop" Adair Apologies, but I always get this way during the Academy Awards, especially when They (the Academy) desecrate a Disney song (remember Under the Sea?). From d91fe at ide.ide.hk-r.se Sat Mar 20 08:01:07 1993 From: d91fe at ide.ide.hk-r.se (Fredrik Ekman) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 93 08:01:07 +0100 Subject: About the poll Message-ID: <930320080107.000002ae.d91fe@ide.ide.hk-r.se> Harry Fluks wrote: >Maybe this is a good time to start a Disney-comics mailing list poll. Sounds like a good idea to me, but you must excuse me for not participating. I have two good reasons for this. First; I have only read a fraction of all the stories Barks made during his years as a comic writer. And second (and even more important); I can never make up my mind as to which stories are the best of those that I have read. This is a problem I have with all quality material, regardless of what kind it may be; books, films, comics, et c. How, for example, do you judge which is best of a good Barks comic and a book by Dostoyevsky (provided, of course, that you like both)? But I would encourage all that don't share my limitations to join this poll. The results could be interesting! /Fredrik Ekman -------------------------------------------------------- | | | | "By definition, one can only | Steve Gerber, | | go so far in a world between." | Howard the Duck | | | | -------------------------------------------------------- From bevilal at dsi.unimi.it Tue Mar 30 16:41:57 1993 From: bevilal at dsi.unimi.it (luigi bevilacqua) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 93 16:41:57 METDST Subject: Italian Disney Comic Book Message-ID: <9303301441.AA20343@pluto.sm.dsi.unimi.it> ============================================================================ Hi, On Mon, 29 Mar 1993, Jamal Hannah wrote: > Hi.. I was wondering, Luigi, since you are Italian.. What do you mean? Are you talking about our terrible political situation? > ... > what is the translation of the name of the book "Il Grandi Classici Disney"? > ... > I remember one Italian Uncle Scrooge story where he had a friend or > relative who had telepathic powers. Ever seen that? Grandi Classici di Walt Disney :Walt disney's great classic (stories): another monthly pocket magazine with an average of 400 pages per issue. It contais reprintings from Topolino with no ads. Often in a issue there are one or two (not more) very very good story by Cavazzano, or by Scarpa, or by De Vita... Best stories starring ducks, of course. As far as I can understand the story you remember is a tipical by Giorgio Cavazzano (my favorite duck artist). He uses quite always Gyro Gearloose, B. Boys and Rockerduck (Flintheart Glomgold). Sorry, but now I don't remember that particular story. Can you tell me more, Jamal? BYE!!! . ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | TH...TH...THAT'S ALL, FOLKS! Luigi | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From bevilal at dsi.unimi.it Tue Mar 30 16:58:36 1993 From: bevilal at dsi.unimi.it (luigi bevilacqua) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 93 16:58:36 METDST Subject: Mickey's wedding- FINAL /more Message-ID: <9303301458.AA21719@pluto.sm.dsi.unimi.it> =========================================================================== Hi, On Mon, 29 Mar 1993, Torsten Wesley Adair answered: > Is there a Disney cartoon where Mickey gets married? I don't know. I never saw it. > Why didn't the father just magic away Samantha's knowledge of witchcraft? Maybe because Samantha can use magic inconsciously (is this word right?) snapping in a particular moment. > And is the sorceror related to Magica de Spell, and/or Yen Sid? No, of course! They are not ducks! Who is Yen Sid? > And was Samantha more likable than Minnie? More and more beautiful! She is pink (not black and white like Minnie) and she is more ...uuhhmm... female! > And why does Mickey have such a high voice? A high voice? It's a comic book! There is no voice at all! I'm kidding... You are intending about cartoons, aren't you? BYE!!! . ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | TH...TH...THAT'S ALL, FOLKS! Luigi | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From ttgrq at info.win.tue.nl Tue Mar 30 17:04:12 1993 From: ttgrq at info.win.tue.nl (Andreas Gammel) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 93 17:04:12 +0200 Subject: languages Message-ID: <9303301504.AA03238@wsinfo08.info.win.tue.nl> Hi, you guys, Let's try to get Disney-names in as many different languages as possible! I'll make a humble start.... English | Dutch | German ..... --------------------------------------------------------------------- Donald Duck | Donald Duck | Donald Duck Uncle Scrooge| Oom Dagobert | Onkel Dagobert Huey | Kwik | Tick Loui | Kwek | Trick Dewey | Kwak | Track Daisy Duck | Katrien Duck | Daisy (inventor) | Willie Wortel| Daniel Duesentrieb (his lamp) | Lampje | Helferchen (?) Ducktown(?) | Duckstad | Entenhausen Moneyhouse(?)| Geldpakhuis | ..... ..... Please complete/elaborate/correct this list !!! (MORE languages/MORE characters and objects . /| / | / | -----/---+ ndreas ttgrq at info.win.tue.nl /_____________________________________________________ Eindhoven, The Netherlands From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl Tue Mar 30 17:05:07 1993 From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks) Date: 30 Mar 1993 17:05:07 +0200 Subject: Italian Disney Comic Book Message-ID: <199303301505.AA03112@athena.research.ptt.nl> Luigi wrote about Giorgio Cavazzano (his favorite duck artist): > He uses quite always Gyro Gearloose, B. Boys and Rockerduck (Flintheart > Glomgold). Now wait: Rockerduck is _not_ the same as Glomgold! Although they both are Scrooge's rivals, they have different appearances. (The Dutch translators mixed them up, too: sometimes Rockerduck is called Govert Goudglans, which is the Dutch name of Glomgold.) --Harry. (send in your Barks top-5s before next tuesday) From bevilal at dsi.unimi.it Tue Mar 30 17:22:32 1993 From: bevilal at dsi.unimi.it (luigi bevilacqua) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 93 17:22:32 METDST Subject: Rockerduck-Flintheart Glomgold Message-ID: <9303301522.AA23247@pluto.sm.dsi.unimi.it> ================================================================= Oh... about: Rockerduck-Flintheart Glomgold Sorry...sorry...sorry... I was sure he was. I saw Flintheart Glomgold just in two Barks stories. Then nothing until Italian stories with Rockerduck, I thought about a remaking character... Excuse me. Luigi From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl Tue Mar 30 17:29:11 1993 From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks) Date: 30 Mar 1993 17:29:11 +0200 Subject: languages Message-ID: <199303301529.AA03988@athena.research.ptt.nl> Andreas writes: > Hi, you guys, > Let's try to get Disney-names in as many different languages as possible! That's a good idea, since there are a lot of different languages on the list now.. > I'll make a humble start.... And I'll fill in a few data.... (In the legend to the Dutch Index on ftp, I listed some Dutch heroes with their English names...) English | Dutch | Flemish | German | Italian ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Donald Duck | Donald Duck | Donald Duck | Donald Duck | Paperino Mickey Mouse | Mickey Mouse | Mickey Mouse | Micky [sic] Mouse | Topolino Black Pete | Boris Boef | Zwarte Pier | | Uncle Scrooge | Oom Dagobert | Oom Jeremias | Onkel Dagobert | Zio Paperone Huey | Kwik | Loeki | Tick | Qui Dewey | Kwek | Joost | Trick | Qua (?) Louie | Kwak | Victor | Track | Quo Daisy Duck | Katrien Duck | Daisy | Daisy | Gyro Gearloose | Willie Wortel| Giro Giroscoop | Daniel Duesentrieb| Archimede Little Helper | Lampje | | Helferchen (?) | Duckburg | Duckstad | | Entenhausen | Money Bin | Geldpakhuis | | | Cornelius Coot | Cornelis Prul| Cornelius Koet | | (If we add more languages, like Swedish, we will need another format...) --Harry. (send your Barks top-5 before next tuesday) From bevilal at dsi.unimi.it Tue Mar 30 17:42:37 1993 From: bevilal at dsi.unimi.it (luigi bevilacqua) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 93 17:42:37 METDST Subject: languages Message-ID: <9303301542.AA24448@pluto.sm.dsi.unimi.it> ========================================================================= TIME UPDATING: 1993-03-30 17:30 (update this time when you alter the list) English | Dutch | German ..... | Italian --------------------------------------------------------------------- Donald Duck | Donald Duck | Donald Duck | Paperino Uncle Scrooge| Oom Dagobert | Onkel Dagobert | Paperone/Paperon de Paperoni Huey | Kwik | Tick | Qui ? Which of them? Loui | Kwek | Trick | Quo ? Which of them? Dewey | Kwak | Track | Qua ? Which of them? Daisy Duck | Katrien Duck | Daisy | Paperina Gladstone | ? | ? | Gastone -mad cousin? | ? | ? | Paperoga Rockerduck? | ? | ? | Rockerduck ? | Fantomerik | Phantomias | Paperinik (inventor) | Willie Wortel| Daniel Duesentrieb| Archimede Pitagorico (his lamp) | Lampje | Helferchen (?) | Edi Ducktown(?) | Duckstad | Entenhausen | Paperopoli Moneyhouse(?)| Geldpakhuis | ? | deposito ..... ..... Please complete/elaborate/correct this list !!! (MORE languages/MORE characters and objects /_____________________________________________________ Oh Oh... Harry Fluks was quicker than me... Luigi =============================================================================== From rivers at seismo.CSS.GOV Tue Mar 30 18:01:25 1993 From: rivers at seismo.CSS.GOV (Wilmer Rivers) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 93 11:01:25 EST Subject: Mickey's voice Message-ID: <9303301601.AA19563@beno.CSS.GOV> Torsten Adair writes: > And why does Mickey have such a high voice? Is it because of the lobotomy > he received in 1940? Or is it something more controversial? > I suppose the straightforward answer is just that he's a mouse, and mice squeak. However, a more controversial explanation, if you want one, is that maybe his lungs are still filled with gas from his suicide attempt!!! (Now that I think about it, though, gas from your stove would have the opposite effect of helium in your lungs in that it would lower, not raise, the pitch of your voice, wouldn't it? In that case, never mind.) If you don't believe that Mickey once tried to end it all, see Another Rainbow Publishing's magnificent collection Mickey Mouse in Color. You will probably need to take out another mortgage on your house to buy a copy of that book, but it's far prettier than most houses anyway. Gottfredson's artwork looks like the master- pieces (O.K., mousterpieces) that they deserve to be seen to be. Wilmer Rivers rivers at seismo.css.gov From rivers at seismo.CSS.GOV Tue Mar 30 18:01:43 1993 From: rivers at seismo.CSS.GOV (Wilmer Rivers) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 93 11:01:43 EST Subject: Gare' Barks Message-ID: <9303301601.AA19572@beno.CSS.GOV> I hope most of you (in the USA, anyway) saw the tributes the latest issue of Comics Buyers Guide published to the late Gare' Barks, Carl's wife/inker/letterer/advisor as well as a distinguished landscape artist in her own right. Gare' died on March 6, I think it was, and her passing is a major loss to all fans of the Barks stories to which she contributed so much. The tribute was certainly appropriate, and if you missed it, you should go purchase a copy on the newstands now. Wilmer Rivers rivers at seismo.css.gov From starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE Tue Mar 30 18:21:47 1993 From: starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Per Starb{ck) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 93 18:21:47 +0200 Subject: languages In-Reply-To: luigi bevilacqua's message of Tue, 30 Mar 93 17:42:37 METDST <9303301542.AA24448@pluto.sm.dsi.unimi.it> Message-ID: <9303301621.AA05644@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE> I have also collected names of Disney characters in various languages now and then, so I guess I should share what I have if anyone wants to compile such a list. I have a blank line between every character, and then every line in the character entry is a language code followed by a colon and one or several names. The language code is ISO 639:1988 "Code for the representation of names of languages" that I found somewhere. It seems stupid to me to use two-letter codes, as there are more languages than that, but I stick to it anyway. When I couldn't find a language in that (half-finished?) standard I used the full name prefixed by "x." (only used for Flemish). When the same character has different names in the same language in different countries I suffix the language code with a dash and a two-letter country code. Swedish (and Danish and Norwegian) are written with national ASCII variants. Well, all in all there are lots of things that should be cleaned up (lots of spelling errors etc), but I won't do it right now, and as you've started collecting names here they are: en:Donald Duck it:Paperino pt:Pato Donald sv:Kalle Anka de:Donald Duck da:Anders And fi:Aku Ankka no:Donald Duck nl:Donald Duck es-es:Donaldo es-mx:Pato Donald es-ar:Pato Donald pl:Kacer Donald, Kaczor Donald ? ar:Battouta ru:Donald et:Piilupart Donald sk:Ujo Donald / Ka'c`'er Donald bg:Patoka Donald hu:Donald Kacsa zh:Tang Lao Ya is:Andr'es "Ond la:Donaldus Anas sh:Paja Patak cs:Kac`'er Donald, Strejdo Donalde (= Uncle Donald) en:Huey, Dewey, and Louie Duck sv:Knatte, Fnatte och Tjatte nl:Kwik, Kwek en Kwak es?:Jorgito, Juanito y Jaimito es-es:Juanito, Jotgito, Juaimito es-mx:Hugo, Paco, Louis es-ar:Huguito, Dieguito, Luisito no:Ole, Dole og Doffen da:Rip, Rap & Rup it:Qui, Quo & Qua pt:Huguinho, Zezinho, Louisinho de:Tick, Trick, Track pl:Dyzio, Zyzio, Hyzio ar:Sou Sou, Tou Tou, Fou Fou ru:Billy, Willy, Dilly sk:Tuj, Luj, Muj is:Rip, Rap, Rup fi:Tupu, Hupu, Lupu sh:Gaio, Raio, Vlaio en:Junior Woodchucks sv:Gr|ng|lingarna es:Jovenes Castores en:Daisy Duck sv:Kajsa Anka nl:Katrien Duck it:Paperina pt:Margarida ge:Daisy Duck da:Andersine And es-es:Daisy es-mx:Daisy es-ar:Margarita pl:Daisy is:Andr'es'ina no:Dolly Duck fi:Iines Ankka sh:Pata en:April, May, and June sv:Titti, Pippi och Kicki nl:Lizzy, Juultje en Babetje en:Scrooge McDuck / Uncle Scrooge sv:Joakim von Anka da:Joakim von And / Onkel Joakim de:Onkel Dagobert nl:Dagoberg Duck / Oom Dagobert es-es:Tio Gilito es-mx:Tio Rico es-ar:Tio Patilludo it:Zio Paperone pt:Tio Patinha pl:Wujer Sknerus / Sknero MacKwak ar:Amm Da Hab et:Onu Robert sk:Drzgros / Ujoo Drz`'gros`' is:J'oakim "Ond no:Onkel Skrue fi:Roope Ankka fr:Oncle Picsou sh:Cika Baja hu:Dagoberg Ba'csi en:Beagle Boys sv:Bj|rnligan es-es:Golfos Apandadores es-mx:Chicos Malos it:Banda Bassotti pt:Irmaos Metralha de:Panzerknacker da:Bj|rnebanden pl:Bracia B. ru:Guff Brothers ? et:Peniposoid fi:Karhukopla nl:De Zware Jongens en:Grandma Duck sv:Farmor Anka nl:Oma Duck it:Nonna Papera pt:Vovo' Donalda de:Oma Gans da:Bedstemor And (**) es:La abuela / Abuela Donalda no:Bestemor Duck fi:Mummo Ankka en:Gus Goose sv:M}rten G}s da:F{tter Guf nl:Gijs Gans en:Gladstone Gander sv:Alexander Lukas nl:Guus Geluk es-es:Narciso Bello es-mx:Panfilo es-ar:Gaston it:Gastone pt:Gastao de:Gustav Gans da:F{tter H|jben fi:Hannu Hanhi no:Heldige Anton fr:Gontran Bonheur sh:Sretsko Sretskovits en:Gyro Gearloose sv:Oppfinnar-Jocke (Uppfinnar-Jocke) de:Daniel D~sentrieb nl:Willie Wortel (Willy) es-es:Ungenio Tarconi es-mx:Ciro Peraloca it:Archimede Pitagorico pt:Professor Pardal da:George Gearlos ar:Abkarino ru:Wint ? et:Leidur Leo da:Georg Gearl|s no:Smarte-Petter / Petter Smart fi:Pelle Peloton sh:Proka Pronalazac fr:Geo Trouvetout en:Newton sv:Newton en:Flintheart Glomgold sv:Guld-Ivar Flinthj{rta da:Anderbilt (**or is this Rockerduck?) fi:Kroisos Pennonen en:Magica De Spell sv:Magica de Hex it:Amelia pt:Maga Patalogika de:Gundel Gaukelei da:Hexia de Trick es-es:Magica es-mx:Bruja Magica pl:Magica de Czar da:Hexia de Trick fi:Milla Magia nl:Magica en:Ludwig van Drake sv:Ludvig von Anka da:Raptus von And no:Ludvig von Duck fi:Taavi Ankka nl:Otto van Drakenstein en:Fethry Duck sv:Knase Anka no:Fetter Klodrik it:Paperoga pt:Peninha de:Dussel Duck da:F{tter Vims es-es:Patoso es-mx:Copetes nl:Diederik Duck en:Moby Duck sv:Moby Duck en:Porpy the Porpoise sv:Tumle en:Dim-Witty sv:Blunder en:Neighbor (J.) Jones sv:(Olle) Olsson en:Clara Cluck sv:Klara Kluck fi:Klaara Kotko (?) en:Mickey Mouse sv:Musse Pigg it:Topolino pt:Mickey Mouse de:Micky Maus es-es:Raton Mickey es-mx:Raton Miguelito ex-ar:Raton Mickey pl:Myszka Mikey (Miki) ar:Mickey ru:Mickey ? et:Mikki Hiir sk:Mysiak Mickey / Mys`'jak Miky bg:Miki Maus hu:Miki Ege'r zh:Mi Lao Shu da:Mickey Mouse is:Mikki m'us no:Mikke Mus fi:Mikki Hiiri nl:Mickey Mouse sh:Miki Maus sk en:Minnie Mouse sv:Mimmi Pigg da:Minnie Mouse no:Minni Mus fi:Minni Hiiri nl:Minnie Mouse hu:Minni pl:Myszka Minnie en:Goofy sv:Jan L}ngben it:Pippo pt:Pateta de:Goofy da:Fedtmule es-es:Goofy es-mx:Tribilin es-ar:Dippy pl:Goofy ar:Bondock et:Kupi is:Ferdinand no:Langbein fi:Hessu Hopo nl:Goofy fr:Dingo sh:Silja cs:Goofy sk:Grambi'os en:Super Goof sv:St}l-L}ngben nl:Supergoof en:Gilbert sv:Gilbert en:Peg-Leg Pete, Big (Bad) Pete, Black Pete sv:Svarte Petter it:Gamba di legno pt:Joao Bafo de Onsa de:Kater Karlo da:Sorte Per es-es:Pete Patapalo es-mx:Pedro el malo es-ar:Pete Pata de Palo no:Svarte-Petter fi:Musta Pekka fr:Pat Hibulaire sh:Veliki Pit en:Pluto the Pup sv:Pluto da:Pluto is:Pl'ut'o no:Pluto fi:Pluto hu:Plu'to' sk:Pluto cs:Pluto en:Morty and Ferdie Fieldmouse sv:Teddi och Freddi da:Mik & Mak (?) fi:Martti & Vertti en:Horace Horsecollar sv:Klasse da:Klaus Krikke (?) fi:Poni Koninkaulus (?) en:Clarabelle Cow sv:Klarabella da:Nora Malkeko (?) fi:Heluna (?) cs:Kla'ry en:The (Phantom) Blot sv:Sp|kplumpen en:Chief O'Hara sv:Kommissarie Karlsson it:Commisarion Basettoni pt:Coronel Cintra de:Commisar Hunter da:Politimester Striks es-es:El Capitan O'Hara es-mx:Jefe O'Hara pl:Szef O'Hara ar:Moaffatish Sorrour et:Politisei Kommisar Fip en:Chip 'n' Dale sv:Piff och Puff fr:Tic et Tac da:Chip & Chap no:Snipp og Snapp fi:Tiku ja Taku nl:Knabbel & Babbel en:Witch Hazel / Hazel the Witch sv:Tyra Trollpacka nl:Hortensia Heks en:Zeke Wolf = The Big Bad Wolf sv:Zeke Varg = Stora Stygga Vargen nl:De (Grote) Boze Wolf pl:Gazety Wilczek en:Li'l Bad Wolf sv:Lilla (Sn{lla) Vargen nl:De Kleine Boze Wolf pl:Maly Wilczek en:Izzy Wolf sv:Smockan en:Three Little Pigs sv:Tre sm} grisar pl:Trzy Male S'winki en:Fiddler Pig sv:Bror Lustig (eller {r det Bror Hurtig?) en:Fifer Pig sv:Bror Hurtig (eller {r det Bror Lustig?) en:Practical Pig sv:Bror Duktig en:Brer Bear sv:Bror Bj|rn en:Brer Fox sv:Bror R{v en:Brer Rabbit sv:Bror Kanin nl:Broer Konijn en:John D. Rockerduck it:Rockerduck pt:Pataconcio de:Klaas Klever da:Andy Anderbilt (or is this Flintheart?) es-es:Rockerduck es-mx:Titus Bondi en:Eega Beeva it:Eta Beta pt:Esqualidus de:Gamma es-es:Bip Bip es-ar:Scualidus sv:Eta Beta (Ecki Becki) en:Emil Eagle da:\jvind \rn sv:Emil \rn en:Mad Madam Mim da:Madam Mim fi:Matami Mimmi sv:Madam Mim nl:Madam Mikmak en:Jiminy Cricket da:Jesper Faarekylling no:Benjamin gresshoppe fi:Samu Sirkka sv:Benjamin Syrsa nl:Japie Krekel en:Duckburg da:Andeby fi:Ankkalinna de:Entenhausen sv:Ankeborg nl:Duckstad da:Gaaser|d fi:Hanhivaara sv:G}seborg en:Scamp sv:Ludde nl:Rakker en:Aristocats nl:De Aristocats en:Dumbo sv:Dumbo nl:Dombo en:Hiawatha sv:Hiawatha nl:(Kleine) Hiawatha en:Double-O Duck nl:O.O.Duck en:Bucky Bug nl:Tokkie Tor en:Gus & Jaq nl:Tom & Pieter sv:Gus & Jack en:Winnie the Pooh sv:Nalle Puh nl:Winnie de Poeh en:Cinderella sv:Askungen fr:Cendrillion x.flemish:Assepoester en:Sylvester Shyster sv:Fusky / Mutkolv en:Shamrock Bones sv:Sk{rlock Holm en:Captain Churchmouse sv:Kapten Kyrkr}tta it:Filo Fganga sv:Johannes N{bbelin / Ludde Spinsson / Johannes Hum / Ernst en:Tinker Bell sv:Tingeling en:Little Toot sv:Lilla Tr}get -- " Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se "Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!" From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl Tue Mar 30 18:26:19 1993 From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks) Date: 30 Mar 1993 18:26:19 +0200 Subject: languages Message-ID: <199303301626.AA05367@athena.research.ptt.nl> Luigi wrote: > TIME UPDATING: 1993-03-30 17:30 > (update this time when you alter the list) So we should use Italian time? Remember: the NewZealanders could send tomorrow's posts, already... > English | Dutch | German ..... | Italian > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > -mad cousin? | ? | ? | Paperoga Fethry. Dutch name: Diederik. > Rockerduck? | ? | ? | Rockerduck Yes, I guess he was named Rockerduck in the only Barks story he appeared in. Dutch names: Leopold Kwartjesvinder Klaas Klever Govert Goudglans (= the name of Flintheart Glomgold) Rockerduck ...and there are some more... German name: Klaas Klever > Oh Oh... Harry Fluks was quicker than me... Luigi You know, my name "Fluks" means "Quickly". You weren't that far wrong when you misspelled my first name "Hurry", once... 8-) --Harry. From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl Tue Mar 30 19:00:16 1993 From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks) Date: 30 Mar 1993 19:00:16 +0200 Subject: languages Message-ID: <199303301700.AA05777@athena.research.ptt.nl> > I have also collected names of Disney characters in various languages > now and then Quite an impressive list! > When I could't find a language in that (half-finished?) standard I used the > full name prefixed by "x." (only used for Flemish). I guess Flemish isn't a language, just like Mexican an Argentinan aren't. So you could indicate that by "nl-fl" or so. > Well, all in all there are lots of things > that should be cleaned up (lots of spelling errors etc), but I won't > do it right now, and as you've started collecting names here they are: I'll add some things I know right now, apart from the names in earlier postings. Maybe this is something to put in some FAQ? > en:Junior Woodchucks nl: Jonge Woudlopers > en:Flintheart Glomgold nl: Govert Goudglans > en:Moby Duck > sv:Moby Duck nl: Moby Duck (surprize 8-) > en:Neighbor (J.) Jones > sv:(Olle) Olsson nl: Buurman Bolderbast (in one story: Bolsterbast) > en:Clara Cluck nl: Klaartje Kip > en:Peg-Leg Pete, Big (Bad) Pete, Black Pete nl: Boris Boef > en:Pluto the Pup > sv:Pluto > da:Pluto > is:Pl'ut'o > no:Pluto > fi:Pluto > hu:Plu'to' > sk:Pluto > cs:Pluto nl: Pluto (You wouldn't have guessed) > en:Morty and Ferdie Fieldmouse nl: Puk en Max Mouse > en:Horace Horsecollar nl: Karel Paardepoot > en:Clarabelle Cow nl: Clarabella Koe > en:The (Phantom) Blot nl: De zwarte Schim > en:Chief O'Hara nl: Commissaris O'Hara > en:Chip 'n' Dale > nl:Knabbel & Babbel de: Ahoernchen und Behoernchen (oe = o") > en:Zeke Wolf = The Big Bad Wolf > nl:De (Grote) Boze Wolf nl: Midas Wolf = De Grote Boze Wolf > en:Li'l Bad Wolf > nl:De Kleine Boze Wolf nl: Wolfje = De Kleine Boze Wolf > en:Izzy Wolf > sv:Smockan nl: Pollo > en:Three Little Pigs nl: De Drie Biggetjes > en:Fiddler Pig > sv:Bror Lustig (eller {r det Bror Hurtig?) nl: Knir (of is het Knar?) > en:Fifer Pig > sv:Bror Hurtig (eller {r det Bror Lustig?) nl: Knar (of is het Knir?) > en:Practical Pig > sv:Bror Duktig nl: Knor > en:Brer Bear > sv:Bror Bj|rn nl: Meneer Beer (Bruin Beer) > en:Brer Fox > sv:Bror R{v nl: Meneer Vos (Reintje Vos) > en:Eega Beeva nl: Ega Beva > en:Emil Eagle nl: Arend Akelig > da:Gaaser|d > fi:Hanhivaara > sv:G}seborg I guess this is the town next to Duckburg, in Holland mostly called Ganzenstad. > en:Scamp > sv:Ludde > nl:Rakker de: Strolchi > en:Cinderella > x.flemish:Assepoester nl: Assepoester (I don't know why you put a Flemish entry here...) > en:Sylvester Shyster > sv:Fusky / Mutkolv nl: Sylvester Slibber > en:Shamrock Bones > sv:Sk{rlock Holm nl: Sul Dufneus > en:Captain Churchmouse > sv:Kapten Kyrkr}tta nl: Kapitein Kerkrat / Kapitein Kerkmuis > it:Filo Fganga > sv:Johannes N{bbelin / Ludde Spinsson / Johannes Hum / Ernst I'm very curious who this could be... > en:Tinker Bell > sv:Tingeling nl: Rinkelbel > en:Little Toot > sv:Lilla Tr}get nl: Kleine Toet (appeared in only 3 or 4 stories) > -- " > Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se > "Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!" nl: Harry Fluks, Leidschendam, Netherlands. email: h.w.fluks at research.ptt.nl "Het leven is een gok, laat Knobelisme het voor u uitzoeken!" From bevilal at dsi.unimi.it Wed Mar 31 13:13:51 1993 From: bevilal at dsi.unimi.it (luigi bevilacqua) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 93 13:13:51 METDST Subject: languages' questions Message-ID: <9303311113.AA05371@pluto.sm.dsi.unimi.it> ============================================================================ Hi, If we want to have a good list of names we need to update it in an handy way. So: - Anyone can modify the list? (in this case we need update-time, is Greenwich time good for everybody?) - Or just Per Starback updates the list. (Do you agree, Per?) In my opinion it is better to have a little character description after English name, especially if the character is not very important. The list needs also the COMPLETE name. For example: Uncle Scrooge. The name is Scrooge McDuck/Uncle Scrooge in English and Paperon de' Paperoni/Zio Paperone in Italian. The nephews call him Zio Paperone, foreigners call him Paperon de' Paperoni. Should we write the relative word, like uncle or hunt? Donald Duck/Uncle Donald === Paolino Paperino/Paperino/Zio Paperino So, what do we do? BYE!!! . ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | TH...TH...THAT'S ALL, FOLKS! Luigi | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE Wed Mar 31 15:43:50 1993 From: starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Per Starb{ck) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 93 15:43:50 +0200 Subject: languages, Gare', pigs In-Reply-To: luigi bevilacqua's message of Wed, 31 Mar 93 13:13:51 METDST <9303311113.AA05371@pluto.sm.dsi.unimi.it> Message-ID: <9303311343.AA25481@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE> > - Or just Per Starback updates the list. > (Do you agree, Per?) I'm too busy right now. That's why I just poured out my file for you all without even incorporating some info some of you had already posted to the list. I just wanted to make it available to anyone who might be interested in compiling all such info. On the other hand I will probably dig through old posts and enter any info I find into my list in the future if noone else wants to coordinate such a list, so any "Bucky Bug is XXX in Sawbuggian" type of post will eventually be taken care of. What I will do, starting as of now, is to include a small dictionary of the names of the most popular characters in English and the native language of the new subscriber in the welcome message to new subscribers (when their native language, as guessed by their geographic position, isn't English). Is that a good idea? That might even be useful (which Daisy's name in Serbocroatian probably isn't...). I'm sorry to hear that Gare' Barks is dead by the way. I was surprised to hear that, as I've always (without any particular reason) pictured Unca Carl going first. BTW (again): I and Harry seem both to be unsure of who is who of Fifer and Fiddler Pig. Anyone knows? -- " Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se "Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!" From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl Wed Mar 31 18:50:14 1993 From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks) Date: 31 Mar 1993 18:50:14 +0200 Subject: languages' questions Message-ID: <199303311650.AA09289@athena.research.ptt.nl> Luigi: > Hi, > > If we want to have a good list of names we need to update it in > an handy way. > > So: > > - Anyone can modify the list? > (in this case we need update-time, is Greenwich time good for everybody?) > > - Or just Per Starback updates the list. > (Do you agree, Per?) I could have volunteered for that, but I don't know the "official" language symbols and the ASCII representation of several diacritic characters. (BTW: The Greek name for Donald is NTONALT NTAK (by OUOOLT NTISNI), and Mickey is called MIKKI MAOUS. But these are just transcriptions from the Greek alphabet, while the Greek is just an effort to transcribe the Latin alphabet names...) > In my opinion it is better to have a little character description after > English name, especially if the character is not very important. Rich Bellacera once proposed to make a description of every Disney character, with info like "Origin", "Family", "Species" (Goofy is an anthropomorphized dingo) etc. We could start a Disney characters encyclopedia... Rich already has a list of all "recurring" characters in the Disney movies, TV series and comics. It's on the ftp site (you know.. something lysator something). It would be nice to have a short description with each character. > The list needs also the COMPLETE name. For example: Uncle Scrooge. > The name is Scrooge McDuck/Uncle Scrooge in English and > Paperon de' Paperoni/Zio Paperone in Italian. > The nephews call him Zio Paperone, foreigners call him Paperon de' Paperoni. > Should we write the relative word, like uncle or hunt? > Donald Duck/Uncle Donald === Paolino Paperino/Paperino/Zio Paperino Only if it's the common name, used in a comic. There are a lot of stories starring "Uncle Scrooge", while there are not that many "Uncle Donald"s, and as far as I know, no "Uncle Mickey" or "Aunt Daisy" at all. Do I understand correctly that Paperino is his last name, and that his first name is Paolino? > So, what do we do? I don't know. --Harry. From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl Wed Mar 31 19:06:09 1993 From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks) Date: 31 Mar 1993 19:06:09 +0200 Subject: News from the lists (wanted: volunteers) Message-ID: <199303311706.AA09911@athena.research.ptt.nl> Some newer members may not know that we have compiled some lists of comic stories. These lists are avaliable on "our" ftp site (ftp.lysator.liu.se). What we have so far: 1. Two Carl Barks lists: one Dutch list (complete, and up to date till february 1993), and a (less up to date) Swedish list. The Dutch list also contains (USA) story titles and dates the stories were made (this may be interesting for non-Dutch people). 2. A complete USA/Scandinavian/Dutch Don Rosa list. This list is updated from time to time, by several mailing list members (supervisor: Per Starback). >>>BTW Per: The "Nostrildamus" story will be reprinted in Dutch DD Extra 4, 1993 (X93-04). 3. A list of stories appearing in Gladstone's comics. Andy Krieg is still working on a part of it. >>>WE STILL COULD USE SOME VOLUNTEERS to fill the gaps in this list. If you want to help, contact me: I coordinate this to avoid double work. 4. A list of stories in Disney Comics's comics. This is far from complete (and a lot of comics are not that interesting to list them at all, IMHO). The same applies to this list: volunteers, contact me! 5. A list of stories in Dell comics, compiled by Kjell Crone. This list is not complete (yet), but maybe we will get updates from Kjell in the future (he is no member of this mailing list). 6. A list of stories in Dutch comics, made by me. Any remarks on this list are very welcome. (did I forget something?) There's some more at the ftp site, just have a look at it! There are README files explaining the contents of the available files. --Harry. Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak PTT Research, Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl "Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!" From torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Wed Mar 31 21:57:37 1993 From: torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1993 13:57:37 -0600 (CST) Subject: Mickey's wedding- FINAL /more In-Reply-To: <9303301458.AA21719@pluto.sm.dsi.unimi.it> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Mar 1993, luigi bevilacqua wrote: > =========================================================================== > On Mon, 29 Mar 1993, Torsten Wesley Adair answered: > > And is the sorceror related to Magica de Spell, and/or Yen Sid? > No, of course! They are not ducks! > Who is Yen Sid? Yen Sid (read it backwards for the secret message) is the name of the sorceror in Fantasia. I was being flippant. > > > And was Samantha more likable than Minnie? > More and more beautiful! She is pink (not black and white like Minnie) > and she is more ...uuhhmm... female! I wondered about that. I understand why Mickey is black (born before technicolor), but I've never seen a white mouse in a Disney Universe (Mickey, Donald, Goofy) story. Of course, there's Bianca of the Rescuers. Torsten From torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Wed Mar 31 22:04:40 1993 From: torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1993 14:04:40 -0600 (CST) Subject: Gare' Barks In-Reply-To: <9303301601.AA19572@beno.CSS.GOV> Message-ID: I doubt you'll be able to get a copy, as most stores I know don't keep back issues. I posted the short obituary that week, and wonder if it made it to the net. If anyone would like a photocopy, just send your snail mail address to me. Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE From starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE Wed Mar 31 22:29:33 1993 From: starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Per Starb{ck) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 93 22:29:33 +0200 Subject: Gare' Barks Message-ID: <9303312029.AA04659@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE> Torsten: > I doubt you'll be able to get a copy, as most stores I know don't > keep back issues. I posted the short obituary that week, and wonder if it > made it to the net. To the net? If you've sent it to this list it didn't get through. And I haven't seen anything about it in rec.arts.comics.* or rec.arts.disney either. In fact I learned about her being dead from Wilmer River's posting to this list: > I hope most of you (in the USA, anyway) saw the tributes the latest > issue of Comics Buyers Guide published to the late Gare' Barks, Carl's > wife/inker/letterer/advisor as well as a distinguished landscape artist > in her own right. Gare' died on March 6, I think it was, and her > passing is a major loss to all fans of the Barks stories to which she > contributed so much. The tribute was certainly appropriate, and if you > missed it, you should go purchase a copy on the newstands now. I called a Swedish comics dealer and asked him about it. He said that the latest ish of CBG that he had got *mentioned* the death on the back cover. I thought that "the tributes" might be something more than that, and that it is the issue after that one I want. Is it? Could anyone please give me some issue numbers, both of this CBG and an earlier one with a feature on Gladstone and interviews with Don Rosa and William Van Horn. I'd also like the issue number of that issue of Advance Comics with a Don Rosa interview that Harry mentioned. There is an old interview with Rosa by Dana Gabbard that Gabbard told me would be published in The Comics Journal. Has it? Please anyone tell me when it appears. And finally a simple question on Gare': How do you proncounce her name? Like Gary??? -- " Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se "Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"