From 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM Tue Feb 1 05:50:22 1994 From: 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM (Don Rosa) Date: 31 Jan 94 23:50:22 EST Subject: Disney-comics digest #228. Message-ID: <940201045022_72260.2635_EHK44-2@CompuServe.COM> The German Barks exhibit? All I can add to that is that it is being organized by Helnwein and Carsten Laqua, the only art dealer on the planet who sells MY "art". This exhibit has nothing to do with Barks' visit and accompanying art show which is/was supposed to take place 3 months later. Laqua's display will include oils and old pages, but I don't know how many of which; I've never quized him since I knew I wouldn't be around to see it anyway. MATTIAS: Sure. Not swing, but jazz -- that's what's so popular in Europe. American jazz is more popular in Europe than in America. Why should it be any different than western movies or Donald Duck comics? Anyway, I now recall you saying you played "Dixieland" music (which one also doesn't hear much about in America). I just dunno... if I were you, in a car, in America... I think I'd fly to California and rent the car there, and drive around out west. I can't think of why a European fella would want to see New England; it's interesting to an American who never sees a building or historical site older than 50 years to go to New England, but not for a European who's used to buildings whose age could be counted in millenia. And between New England and the Rockie Mountains, there just ain't NUTHIN' worth seeing. I mean, it's pretty enough, but no landscape much different than in Scandanavia. So, I hope to see you pass through Louisville, but *I* sure wouldn't waste that much time when I could be staring into the Grand Canyon or something. Where did you drive in 1991? Near Louisville? From Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se Tue Feb 1 09:39:49 1994 From: Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se (Mattias Hallin) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 1994 09:39:49 +0100 Subject: A short reply to Don Message-ID: <01H8D89UKXQS9FMO22@castor.ldc.lu.se> DON: I went there already! To Californy, is what I mean: in 1991, we started out with a week in San Franscisco, then drove down route 1 to L.A., across to Las Vegas, down to Grand Canyon for a short peek, and then back to S.F. through the central valley of California (it's name slips my mind right now); from where we flew to Denver, and spent a week going up into the rockies, and around the plains in the Denver area; thence to New Orleans for twelve days -- a wonderful time we had there, too, because local musicians really took us to their hearts! -- and on to a week or so in central Florida, where we did Disneyworld, and then went for a few days in the sun and water on the Florida east-coast. We rounded off our trip by going to Manhattan for a few days, and then drove up to see a (Swedish) friend in Hamilton, Ontario; and finally drove by way of Boston to stay our final five days with (American) friends on Long Island. The closest I ever got to Louisville then was Gettysburg, Pennsylvania. So, you see, the parts of U.S. I've seen the least is the midwest, and from there on to the southeast and east -- the Alleghennies f'rinstance... and the Blue Grass country, and... Also, I'm very interested in U.S.American history, and a lot of that is for obvious reasons concentrated to the eastern parts... Besides one never knows what'll prove the most interesting until one tried it, does one? So -- as I've said, I know nothing (even though I'm not from Barcelona) very firm as yet, but don't be too surprised if try to pass by Louisville. It does after all hold at least ONE major attraction -- I've a friend there I'd like to see... All my best, as always Mattias From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl Tue Feb 1 10:12:44 1994 From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 1994 10:12:44 +0100 Subject: Digests 219-228 Message-ID: <199402010912.AA21871@athena.research.ptt.nl> Hi, everyone. I have been away for a week, so here's a reply to digests 219 through 228. London ~~~~~~ I visited London last week... I didn't expect any good Disney comics, but it was a surprise to not find any comics at all! The only things I found were Tintin and Asterix at Harrod's... I walked through Oxford Street, but I didn't see a comic shop. If I had seen the mails of Even and Fredrik about London, I would have looked better. DDA #25 ~~~~~~~ I really can't say much about David's script: I can't distinguish between good English and bad English. But I noticed some changes from the original Dutch text and they were improvements. It's a pity you couldn't translate all of the Bank Museum gags, David. Some other remarks about the contents: In the Gladstone ad for this month's issues, Jippes is called a Danish artist. Please pass this if you are reading this, Gary: Jippes is Dutch, NOT Danish. You could call him American (he became a USA citizen in the 80s), but NOT Danish. The cover of DDA #25 doesn't look Verhagen to me; it looks more like Michel Nadorp. The cover is from the original Dutch comic. WDC #590 has an excellent (Dutch) Jippes cover. But the contents, "High Flying Picnic", can be a disappointment for Jippes fans. It was written by Jan Kruse, and the art is not that good. When will Gladstone start reprinting Jippes' re-inks of Barks' Junior Woodchucks stories? I liked the article by Alberto Becattini. In fact, I bought the comic because of the article (and David's script of course 8-). Gladstone should continue this, though it would be nice to have "original" art in the article, not a copy of a panel that can be found elsewhere in the comic. I agree with letter writer Kevin Kuffa: I always liked the "next issue" box in Disney Comics's comics, and a page numbering would make it easier to make references. Don Rosa: ~~~~~~~~~ Donald Duck Extra #1 is in the shops this week. It shows the cover of the next issue, illustrating Lo$ part 4. I guess it's too late for you to use that cover, but if it's not, tell me, and I'll send it to you. I plan to send you the Dutch issues of Lo$ parts 1, 2, 4, 5 and 6 in April, when part 6 is published. David Gernstein 8-): ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ How do you pronounce your name? Gerstine or Gersteen? How do Americans know the difference? Gladstone colour albums ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Charlie Ellis summarized the albums on Topi's request. He forgot to mention one: apart from the 26 (?) WDC, 2 US-gags and 6 Gyro albums, there was also one album containing the 8-page Firestone Christmas giveaways. Jippes ~~~~~~ Mark and Ole asked what Daan Jippes is doing at Amblin'. I think he is in animation, not comics 8-(. Ferioli ~~~~~~~ Ole asked: "The latest MM serial in Dutch DD is not too bad, eh?". In fact, it is the second story drawn by Ferioli that was published in Holland (according to your index, Ole). I'm already recognizing his drawing style, which is quite good (but not excellent...) The story was a good example of why Disney *should* censor some of the stories. Mickey and Goofy get lost in a desert, almost dying of thirst. Then they see some Indians on horses approaching. Are they glad to see humans? NO, they are AFRAID of their life because they are INDIANS. And it's not in 19th century Wild West, no, it's 1993! The Indians are wearing war colours (because of some tourist attraction), but Mickey and Goofy don't seem to notice that. The translator could have improved the text here, but still they should be puzzled by the war colours, not frightened. Nuremberg ~~~~~~~~~ Don, please keep us informed of your plans about going to Germany! I might even go there myself to have the opportunity to shake your hand in a crowd... I too would love to know more about the comic convention in Nuremberg. (One more mail to come) --Harry. From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl Tue Feb 1 10:46:03 1994 From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 1994 10:46:03 +0100 Subject: Uncle Scrooge visits Germany Message-ID: <199402010946.AA22797@athena.research.ptt.nl> >From Dutch teletekst (I don't know the American name for this; the BBC calls it Ceefax), 31 Jan 1994, page 120 (the "news with a smile" page): Uncle Scrooge visits Germany ---------------------------- The German police is chasing a blackmailer for two years now, who calls himself Scrooge [Dagobert]. Every time they almost catch him, something goes wrong. For instance, an officer slipped over dog vomit when trying to get him. But the police thinks they know his secret now: he imitates tricks of his namesake of the Donald Duck comics. Recently, Scrooge ordered the police to ride to him 1.5 million Marks on a little wagon on rails. His comic-double once used a miniature train to transport golden coins secretly. But there is ONE difference with the comic character: "Scrooge" got only fake money, so far. [The miniature train event must be a misquote from "Christmas for Shacktown"] --Harry. From Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se Tue Feb 1 14:42:37 1994 From: Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se (Mattias Hallin) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 1994 14:42:37 +0100 Subject: Girls as comicreaders and -fans Message-ID: <01H8DIXFV01I9FMJHI@castor.ldc.lu.se> MARK et al: as has been stated a coupla times over the last week or so, there aren't too many girls neither in duck fandom, nor in comic fandom generally. I don't think this is MAINLY due to lack of role-models or the certainly second-hand treatment girls get in many comics. Sure -- these are relevant aspects too, but they ought to reflect equally general readership as well as hardcore fandom, and I don't believe this to be the case. Of course, there is too a difference between comics targeted more or less exclusively on either sex, and those aimed at a general readership, or any specific age-group. In the case of Donald Duck, it would be my guess that KIDS in Sweden reading Duck comics would be fairly evenly distibuted between the sexes. Fandom and/or ADULT duck readership is a totally different matter, and here I believe there are other factors at work than those mentioned before; e.g. the fact that boys/men as social creatures seems MUCH more wont to congregate around their hobbies, and in particular to ORGANIZE them into clubs or societies, while girls/women doesn't seem to find this very worthwile (a perfectly valid point of view, too! Fanclubs are tremendously SILLY things -- and terrific FUN too, I think). I believe that this confirms rather well with accepted sociological views, as does, I think, the fact that men are more apt to be "mono-causal" in their hobbies/pursuits than women. It should also be remembered that hardcore comic fandom is a PUNY movement -- there aren't too many of us altogether, and while most comic fans I know socially are nice, broadminded often well-educated people with a wide variety of interests, on a statistical level it's rather few men that take a deeper interests (out of the entire male population), as well as very few women -- the difference isn't all that big in the larger perspective. These are just a few muddled thoughts -- but here's a clear one for a clincher: the cover of the very-soon-upcoming #24 of NAFS(k)uriren is drawn in a Gottfredson style by a friend of mine from Lund, Hanna Petterson (20 years old) who is also a board-member in the South-Swedish NAFS(k) local, and an avid comic- and duckfan. So at least -- thank heaven! -- there are a few around... Mattias From Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se Tue Feb 1 16:23:09 1994 From: Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se (Mattias Hallin) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 1994 16:23:09 +0100 Subject: Yet more No-Ducks to Don Message-ID: <01H8DM8UOL049FMOKB@castor.ldc.lu.se> DON: Just another question, related to your last posting: did you intend to say that you see a marked difference between the concepts "jazz" and "swing"? Of course, all jazz is not swing -- there are many other styles -- but isn't all (real) swing also jazz? That would be my opinion, anyway... Of course, not all dance-music c. 1935-1945 is jazz, but if it's not that, then to my mind it doesn't qualify very well for the label "swing", either. Oh, and talking of labeling music, I don't particularly care for the these days VERY generic and non-descript term "dixieland"; but rather call all revivalist pre-1945 styles INCLUDING swing "traditional" jazz, and then sub-label the branches, the three major ones to my mind being "classic jazz", "swing" and "mainstream trad", with any number of further sub-division possible. On the other hand, this is NOT an issue I find particularly intersting for debate, since labels on music are usually either iconoclastic and narrow, or wide and non-descript; and because we all have our own definitions anyway. Duke Ellington had a point indeed, when he said that he divided music into two categories only: good or bad! And as I said, I also DO play some swing; I have a long-lasting love-affair with "the clock that laughs" -- the acoustic swing-style rhythm-guitar! SORRY everybody, for these off-topic postings, but as I said, I don't want Don to have to pay extra for my ramblings on favourite subjects besides ducks... All the usual... Mattias From torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Tue Feb 1 18:41:50 1994 From: torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 11:41:50 -0600 (CST) Subject: So Long For Now In-Reply-To: <01H8DM8UOL049FMOKB@castor.ldc.lu.se> Message-ID: Well, in six very short hours, I will be on a plane heading west to New Zealand, Australia, Singapore, Thailand, and Germany. In addition, my account will be terminated sometime this month, so, for the time being, I will not be replying to this list. I would like to thank everyone who sent me mail, and if I happen to be near the Internet, I'll give you all a jingle. I have relatives in Hanover, so I'll try to see the Barks exhibit, and maybe catch a train to Nuremburg. So, Per, that's MY reason for leaving the group. Thanks for everything. Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA From trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu Wed Feb 2 01:02:11 1994 From: trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu (Tryg Helseth) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 94 18:02:11 CST Subject: Dis 'n' Dat Message-ID: <16694.trygve@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Hello Folks! Stories banned in the US. It's benn mentioned from time to time here about this story or that story being considered unacceptable for publication by Disney. I've never seen a list of those stories and wondered if one is readily available. Is there a copy lurking out there somewhere? Don Rosa's All American Breakfast. Don is right in his description of the standard breakfast fare we United Statians have to endure, but he failed to mention that they do generally include all of the four basic food groups: Sugar, Salt, Grease, and Ketchup. Female funny-book fans. Well the Superhero comics that predominate in the US are definitely targeted at young males and even our beloved Duck stories are male oreinted. For whatever the reason, comics are not thought highly of by the womenfolk. Years ago, I used to ride a bus to and from work and would take that opportunity to read some of my recently purchased comics. On several occasions I would get some kind of derogatory comment or getsure from women riding the bus. ("What's a grown man like you doing reading kids comic books?") Once a woman sitting next to me made such a comment; and she was reading some brain-damaged romance novel... She got rather indignant when I suggested that her novel wasn't any higher class than my comic book. (In a sense, I think those romance novels are to women what comics are to me.) Torsten tentatively terminates. Sorry to see you lose your account and hope you get wired back up soon. Now I supponse we'll see one of those "unsubscribe" messages with your account name on it... :) Tryg Helseth Minneapolis, MN, USA or "I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" -The Beach Drakes From revry at tjhsst.vak12ed.edu Wed Feb 2 03:59:02 1994 From: revry at tjhsst.vak12ed.edu (Ronald A. Evry (Ronald) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 94 21:59:02 EST Subject: tbc Message-ID: <9402020259.AA21471@tjhsst.vak12ed.edu> I've been digging in my basement & have found some extra copies of THE BARKS COLLECTOR from 1978! These are available for TRADE ONLY!!! Looking for Walt Kelly stuff or Barks Stuff in trade...If you're interested, drop me a line at: revry at tjhsst.vak12ed.edu Here's what I have: TBC # 7 -3 copies TBC # 8 -3 copies TBC # 9 -7 copies TBC # 10-1 copy #'s 7, 8 & 9 have fan duck art - #10 has a "no more ducks" article telling how Disney slammed the door on duck pictures, but still managed a fascinating article by Fred Milton with non duck panels by Milton/Jippes... Neat Historical Stuff! Ron From 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM Wed Feb 2 07:00:52 1994 From: 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM (Don Rosa) Date: 02 Feb 94 01:00:52 EST Subject: Disney-comics digest #229. Message-ID: <940202060051_72260.2635_EHK17-1@CompuServe.COM> MATTIAS: Non-Duck stuff. Sorry, folks. The tour you took of America in 1991 was FIRST CLASS. In fact, I can't think of a better brief tour of this country! California, Rockies, Grand Canyon, deserts, New Orleans, New York, Florida. About the only thing you missed was the Pacific Northwest -- that might be my favorite. Another thing you missed was pre-1960s Florida, before it started filling up like a dirty sponge, but that would be hard to see now. Before you took another trip to the mainland, I would suggest visiting Hawaii or, better yet, the Virgin Islands! But then, there's not much American history there. I know next to nothing about music except what I like. I don't know any history or terminology, and regardless of how much classical music I own or listen to, I don't seem to concentrate on it enough to ever recall more than composer's names and whether I generally like the type of music they wrote (in other words, no titles or nuthin). Anyway, as for jazz/swing: having admitted I don't know what I'm talking about, I always thought jazz and swing were different... and that "swing", indeed, WAS only the "dance music" of the 30s & 40s -- music you could "swing" to, right? (And my favorite bit of swing is a popular favorite I suspect -- Goodman's "Sing, sing, sing"; and of all the versions I've ever heard, I'm afraid that I like John Williams overdone version from that stupid "1941" movie.) We need to stop all this non-Duck talk. But if anyone holds it against me, remember that I'm paying not only to post it, but I PAY AGAIN to read my own words on the digest that I receive! So I'm being punished for my sins! HARRY: I look forward to the DD EXTRAs you'll be sending! If you could satisfy my curiosity by describing the covers on their Lo$ issues, I'd appreciate it. It's too late to swipe their idea for part 3 or 4... and my own cover for Gladstone's part 4 is pretty slick so I hope I'm not missing an idea. But there's still time to swipe their ideas for part 5 & 6 covers, though the part 5 cover seems as if it MUST be a scene from the sword fight on the lightning-swept castle parapet. And if you go all the way to Nuremburg just to shake my hand, you can be sure I'll treat you better than I was treated by the guy who I travelled far just to shake hands with. I'll even be willing to talk to you. But in reference to that possible trip, something happened today that makes it more likely that I will, indeed, go to that German convention June 2-5, so the chances look good. From hellman at proxxi.uf.se Wed Feb 2 07:20:52 1994 From: hellman at proxxi.uf.se (Bror Hellman) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 07:20:52 +0100 (MET) Subject: Uncle Scrooge visits Germany In-Reply-To: <199402010946.AA22797@athena.research.ptt.nl> Message-ID: > Recently, Scrooge ordered the police to ride to him 1.5 million Marks on a > little wagon on rails. His comic-double once used a miniature train to > transport golden coins secretly. But there is ONE difference with the > comic character: "Scrooge" got only fake money, so far. > > [The miniature train event must be a misquote from "Christmas for Shacktown"] I distictly remember a story with HDL polishing $crooges money and used a miniature train to make it funnier. It involved miniature Beagle-boys. I don't think it was a Barks comic. Steamboat Willie ---------------------------------------------- ... Does The Little Mermaid wear an algebra? ---------------------------------------------- Internet: hellman at proxxi.uf.se, DuckNet: hellman at 313:100/13.0 From d91fe at iguanodon.pt.hk-r.se Wed Feb 2 13:02:11 1994 From: d91fe at iguanodon.pt.hk-r.se (Fredrik Ekman) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 13:02:11 +0100 Subject: Arab Disney comics Message-ID: <9402021202.AA00985@iguanodon.pt.hk-r.se> Greetings! Just yesterday I got Even's Arabic Disney... erm... thing. (Thanks again, Even!) It turned out to be a very interesting little thing. 25.5 by 17.5 cm large, bound in paperback and very thick. I interpret the title to "Bar Miki". I won't even try to figure out the subtitle, but after that comes the figure 51. The contents consist of all the weekly "Miki" (Mickey) magazines from July to September 1985 (issues 1263 through 1279). Each of these are 32 pages, except one special issue each month that is titled "Sopr Miki" (Super Mickey) and is 84 pages. The covers are very mixed. Some, seemingly locally produced and undescribably ugly, mostly feature Mickey, Minnie, Mortie and Ferdie. Others are Danish, while at least two are of a type that I can't identify, but actually quite beautiful. I would really like to know where those come from. The contents are, from what I can make out, only D- and S-coded stories. Between these are fact pages (sports, et c), games (or whatever the correct English term for "pyssel" ;-) and ads for toys and candy. About half the pages are black-and-white and the other half is horribly poorly coloured. The pictures are partly (and badly) reinked in order to rearrange the word balloons, and also to edit away the previously discussed hats. It seems that all hats with brim (including Goofy's) are removed while caps and the like are OK. This would seem to support the "Jewish" theory. It looks kind of stupid at times when someone is obviously taking on or off a hat that isn't there... I'm no expert of Arabic calligraphy, but it would seem to me that the lettering is quite poor as well. OK, I know that noone asked for this, but I'm giving it to you anyway. Also, I'd like to know a few things that I can't figure out myself. For one thing, I'd like to know if the same comic books are sold throughout the Arab world. One of those I've got previously looks the same as these, and I bought that one in Egypt. There is at least one other regular book in Egypt called "Mickey Guaib" that is in digest format and has only S-coded stories. But what about other Arab countries? Also, if these are the same in all Arab countries, where are they printed? And what is the circulation? From what I could see in Egypt, the Disney characters are fairly popular there. Actually, the first thing that meets you at the airport is a picture of Donald Duck that tells you that luggage carts are one Egypt pound each. Yours, /F From Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se Wed Feb 2 14:45:42 1994 From: Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se (Mattias Hallin) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 1994 14:45:42 +0100 Subject: What-have-you Message-ID: <01H8EX09P1D09FMP4N@castor.ldc.lu.se> DON: Yes! You're right! We gotta stop seein'... oops! Sorry!!! I mean -- you're right; no more no-duck postings for a while (although I'm afraid I could have written almost volumes on the subject of jazz/swing 'n all that (yes!) jazz...) One more thing though -- how do they (CompuServe, I mean) charge you? By item or by byte? I mean, do you have to pay, literally, for every WORD we send you; and if so -- how much? How much do you have to pay for a message, if your instead charged per arriving post? I'm asking, because I'd like to know how much my sometime rather wordy style and/or any separate message sent to you does actually cost you. If you'd rather not tell us -- don't! Sorry for prying, if that I am. But I do hope we're NOT running you too high a tab! Mattias (...and what's supposed to be wrong with Sing-Sing-Sing, then? Perfectly valid piece of big band jazz -- /"shut up, you gab!" - " yes sir!"/ Hmm... From varmas at cs.man.ac.uk Wed Feb 2 15:26:02 1994 From: varmas at cs.man.ac.uk (Shanu) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 14:26:02 GMT Subject: No subject Message-ID: <9402021426.AA03924@n6n.cs.man.ac.uk> donald has a new series starting on channel 4, sunday 6:30am watch it !!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |"If a man loves you then you must love him back, if he ignores you, | | you must turn the other cheek, however, if a man shows you racism, | | then he must die" - Martin Luther King | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Department of Computer Science, University of Manchester, Oxford Road | |Manchester M13 9PL. tel : (+44) 61 445 5513 | |ARPA: shantanu at cs.man.ac.uk | |UUCP: ..!mcsun!uknet!mucs!shantanu | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Jerry_Greenberg at pop.com Wed Feb 2 23:53:10 1994 From: Jerry_Greenberg at pop.com (Jerry Greenberg) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 14:53:10 PST Subject: Subscribe Message-ID: <0002B6A4.Internet.FirstClass@pop.com> Subscribe Jerry Greenberg -- Message sent via DigitalPopcorn * Los Angeles From 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM Thu Feb 3 07:51:43 1994 From: 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM (Don Rosa) Date: 03 Feb 94 01:51:43 EST Subject: Disney-comics digest #230. Message-ID: <940203065143_72260.2635_EHK44-1@CompuServe.COM> MATTIAS: How much do I pay to read your words? And to read my own words when they come back at me in these Digests? My COMPUSERVE membership costs me $9 per month which entitles me to a certain amount of free E-Mail (which is how I receive the Digests, of course). After that point, I pay a certain amount per number of characters sent and received. Now my memory is fading -- perhaps I'm paying not for E-Mail, but because it's being sent from another system (Internet)? My monthly bills are around $25+, so that would mean I'm paying $15-$20 per month to read these Digests -- since I think there are about 5 of these per week (there aren't usually Digests on weekends, are there?), I guess I pay about $1 each as it averages out. Not so much, I guess. But I'm always striving to make sure I don't pay anymore than I must -- that's why I try to discourage receiving long indexes that I'm not even interested in, if I can avoid it. I hope this doesn't make me sound cheap -- I hope people here realize that I might be the world's widest read, most popular and famous (in a limited way), and yet most poorly paid writer/artist. If there are any other writers or artists in the world who do ALL their own work single-handedly, and yet have no share in the profits made from their efforts (including the sale of their own art), other than freelance writers/artists of Disney comic books -- I'd love to know what that job might be. From trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu Thu Feb 3 14:24:04 1994 From: trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu (Trygve J Helseth) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 07:24:04 -0600 (CST) Subject: Disney-comics digest #230. In-Reply-To: <940203065143_72260.2635_EHK44-1@CompuServe.COM> Message-ID: On 3 Feb 1994, Don Rosa wrote: > MATTIAS: > How much do I pay to read your words? And to read my own words > when they come back at me in these Digests? My COMPUSERVE membership > costs me $9 per month which entitles me to a certain amount of free > E-Mail (which is how I receive the Digests, of course). DON: Have you considered other services besides CompuServe? I understand that America On Line (AOL) has much more favorable rates and connect charges. And, the real biggie, they don't hit you with a "postage due" for Internet mail! Maybe there are other services you use that make Compuserve a better choice for you, but if it is just E-Mail, I'd look into switching. Internet access is getting more available as days go by. I got this account at the University of Minnesota through a special offer for Alumni. It costs a flat $70 per year for full access. A co-worker who graduated from a college in a neighboring town called and asked about an account. They gave him one for free! Even the local BBS I frequent has just picked up internet; when they get it stabilized (still a few wrinkles to iron out), I'll probably switch this mail list to there. So maybe a little shopping around would pay off for you. Just watch out for the Cyber Fuzz... :) Tryg trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu From cde at aplexus.jhuapl.edu Thu Feb 3 15:02:48 1994 From: cde at aplexus.jhuapl.edu (Charles D. Ellis ) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 94 9:02:48 EST Subject: Payoff Message-ID: <9402031402.AA26937@aplexus.jhuapl.edu> Don Rosa sez: >My monthly bills are around $25+, so that would mean I'm >paying $15-$20 per month to read these Digests -- Free Internet access will probably come to Louisville someday. Until then, It's admirable you haven't run up much higher bills as do many CompuServe customers and at least it's deductible ... :) >If there are any other writers or artists in the >world who do ALL their own work single-handedly, and yet have no share >in the profits made from their efforts (including the sale of their own >art), other than freelance writers/artists of Disney comic books -- I'd >love to know what that job might be. Why? You would leave Disney for that new job? Seriously, after CB kicks you'll be the one they are playing up and hopefully paying for album reprints, etc. of what may one day be a large body of work. I suppose you'll get it all back in original prints, signed mudflaps, pin-back buttons that say Unca Don, Art of Don Rosa trade paperbacks that can reprint copies of your CompuServe bills, Disneyana convention appearances, oil paintings with lots of coins on them, statuettes of Bombie the Vitally Challenged, colorful dishes that show the nephews feeding DDs dinner hash to Pluto, and a host of other collectible gallery and "mass-collectible" doodads that will need your cooperation and financial participation (in a receiving sense). So cheer up! You'll be around after Eisner is long gone! (Michael that is ...) (well Will too, unfortunately :( ) Charlie Ellis cde at aplexus.jhuapl.edu From BAUERLE at THING1.ERIE.GE.COM Thu Feb 3 15:29:21 1994 From: BAUERLE at THING1.ERIE.GE.COM (Ron Bauerle) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 9:29:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: American breakfasts Message-ID: <940203092921.2020653e@THING1.ERIE.GE.COM> "Tryg Helseth", 2/1/94: >Don Rosa's All American Breakfast. >Don is right in his description of the standard breakfast fare we United >Statians have to endure, but he failed to mention that they do generally >include all of the four basic food groups: Sugar, Salt, Grease, and Ketchup. Heh! But lest our non-US readers think that's what _all_ Americans eat for breakfast (ham, eggs, hash browns, etc.), I'd like to point out that I for one have the "well-balanced breakfast" as seen in the cereal ads: pre-sweetened cereal (generically called "Chocolate Frosted Sugar Bombs" for you Calvin & Hobbes fans :^)), toast, and juice. I put milk on the cereal, but don't have a separate glass as shown in the commericals - I may risk osteoporosis, but at least I don't have to worry about kidney stones... >Female funny-book fans. >Once a woman sitting next to me made such a comment; and she was reading >some brain-damaged romance novel... She got rather indignant when I >suggested that her novel wasn't any higher class than my comic book. (In >a sense, I think those romance novels are to women what comics are to me.) Heh, again! I'll have to remember that one :^) Not that I'll ever be in a position to use it... And I see that Mattias Hallin beat me to the punch about asking how CompuServe (derogatorily abbreviated CI$ :^)) charges - if it _is_ by the byte, then why can't this non-comic stuff go to e-mail? Not that I mind reading it, but others might. (And yes, I probably have no right to comment since my breakfast post above is non-comic too... :^)) Here's a comic comment: I don't have the reference handy (I think it was in a recent Comics and Stories), but I'm not sure what I think of the Goofy King Midas story - the art was good, and some of the background gags were funny, but the story itself (such as it was - who _cares_ about some old cow?) didn't do much for me - I think I liked the old "Goofy looks at history" versions better... I believe I saw something either in the mailing list, or in the comic itself that more of these were in the works - it'll be interesting to see what they look like. RDB From David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu Thu Feb 3 20:36:08 1994 From: David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu (David A Gerstein) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 1994 14:36:08 -0500 Subject: MM story for WDCIC Message-ID: <9402031936.AA24578@bigbird.cc.williams.edu> Dear Folks, I've just read about the new WDC IN COLOR series and the possibility of a MM issue soon. What Gottfredson story to use? Well, since "Hoppy the Kangaroo" and the other Walsh story, "The Pirate Ghostship" are already scheduled for WDC&S, this leaves only two album stories to be reconstituted -- BOTH of 'em too long to be in a mere 64-pager. So it follows that the story choice will HAVE to be something that hasn't been used before. My own recommendation is to use the 1931 story "MM Boxing Champion." The story is from the period when the strips break perfectly in half. Fine negatives exist... when that aborted book of Gottfredson reprints was in the works at Disney Publishing, I saw proofs to that story, made from their negatives, which were crystal clear... just PERFECT. Another fine choice would be 1941's "Love Trouble" -- the strips, in six-panel pages ENTIRELY cleaned up, can be ordered from Western, as the story appeared, uncut I believe, in MM BIRTHDAY PARTY Giant #1, in 1953. 46 pages I think. In any event, that's all for now, folks. Your friend, David Gerstein From 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM Fri Feb 4 05:37:47 1994 From: 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM (Don Rosa) Date: 03 Feb 94 23:37:47 EST Subject: Disney-comics digest #231. Message-ID: <940204043747_72260.2635_EHK25-1@CompuServe.COM> CHARLES ELLIS: I almost thought your post was serious until I kept reading through the list of loutish collectibles that I could someday be involved in. No, I was just curious if there WERE any endeavors which a freelance writer or artist could be involved in, in which he's paid like a want-ads handyman rather than the creator of the work, other than when involved with Disney; I feel like such an idiot so often that I continue to do this work while seeing other comic people all around me getting wealthy off sales that are a fraction of ours with Disney comics. And as I said, I'd like to know if there are more unfairly treated "creators" anywhere so I won't feel so alone. But I always keep in mind that if I did the same stories I do now with the same art, the same gags, the same plots, the same everything, but NOT Uncle $crooge and Donald Duck, no one would buy the stuff. That still doesn't make Disney's policies fair, but I continue to try to explain my predicament to myself. Anyway, I suspect you know this, but I would not leave the work I do, regardless. Why else would I put up with this $#@%& if I didn't love these characters. But I don't love Disney, and therefore I could never "leave Disney" (as you said) since I don't work for Disney. And you know that I already am the "star" of a series of albums in Germany, and so far a mini-series of comics and two albums in America; but there are no royalties paid for reprints of my work in any of these collections -- that's how it is with Disney. Anyone who obtains a Disney license could produce any amount of plates and figurines and T-shirts and comics and lithographs and posters and gum cards and anything else based on my work, and they'd never be required to pay me a penny. They wouldn't even need to inform me of the product. That's the way it would be for any writer/artist of Disney material. I'm sure I've spelled this out too often on here, but I gather there are new lurkers here all the time, and I constantly hear from people who assume that Disney pays royalties and returns artwork like every other publisher in the world. It's uncomfortable having many people thinking I'm some sort of wealthy superstar when that's far from the case. From lrn at daimi.aau.dk Fri Feb 4 15:46:36 1994 From: lrn at daimi.aau.dk (Lasse Reichstein Nielsen) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 94 15:46:36 MET Subject: From RoC Message-ID: <199402041446.AA05484@stinne.daimi.aau.dk> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 94 49:35:32 MET From: Lasse Reichstein Nielsen Subject: from RoC (Next weeks' mail) Right, I've had it! I'm tired of everybody beating me to the answers before I ever had a chance to mail'em! Now, this letter has been sent 9 times around the world in an easterly direction so you will recieve it *last* week! Here are comments to letters you'll write next week: From: Gary ---------- >I'm glad to tell you that War of the Wendigo has finally passed through >the eye of the needle at Disney. Of course we had to color the indians >green and call it is a sequel to Island in the Sky. But why did you have to replace Donald with Launchpad? From: Harry ----------- >American artist Don Chips and Dutch writer Fred de Milton are rumored >to be the creative staff on 'Rebel Babies' from LucasComics. Who got 'Dinos vs. Stormtroopers' and the 'Indy on Mars' graphic novel? ...but seriously: From: Henri ----------- >'I got ran over by truth one day, I did not see the red light > Since the accident I've walked this way, I only did what felt right' My brother recognized the quote from a song by the Danish band D.A.D. Their name used to be "Disneyland After Dark", but... >>>>>[ Right! says Spot... I believe it's on the album "Riskin' it all" - Spot ]<<<<< From: Fredrik ------------- >[...] some issue of a weekly Mickey Mouse that featured not only "The >Bees Have It" by William Van Horn, but also one of Jippes' re-drawn >JW stories. However, the only copy at that store was quite battered, >so I decided to find a better one. >[...] And when I finally did find another >English Mickey, it was a new issue. No Van Horn. No Jippes. Both have been published in Sweden, and if you want English text why not try DDAD#4 and the CBL? I admit I don't know which JWW story you are talking about, so far three have been published in Denmark. Is "Gold of the '49ers" one of them? BTW: How come I can't mail you? From: Mark ---------- >What is Dan Jippes doing at Amblin'? In November '92 he went to London and joined six animators leftover from other projects on the storyboards for Simon Wells' "Balto" for a year. Amblin wanted a semi-animated storyboard with about 3 frames per second. After the Jurassic hit Universal Pictures are paying the studio bills for Spielberg, so he is planning to move 35 of the most creative people in London to Universal's studios in Hollywood, all charged to UP. It should start in April '94, but Jippes already went this October. Spielberg was so impressed with a sequence in the story-reel, that he offered Jippes the job of starting and developing an all-new story & animation department at Amblin. (This info is from a September '93 interview in CB&Co.#20) From: Per --------- >A Russian MM was sold not only in the USA. My own copy is bought >in Germany and I've seen it here too. Is it not the same as the one >sold in the USA? On the cover of this one Mickey and Goofy fly an >airplane on the cover, and Goofy has a kite. There is no number on >the cover, but in the introductory page on the inside of the front >cover it says that this is the first issue, and there is a "1" high up >on page 1, right at the margin. The cover is re-drawn from the cover of the first German Micky Maus from 1951(?). Rumors say it sold 150.000 copies in the first 45 minutes! It was for sale here too for 4$, though I didn't buy it. What's in it? From: Harry ----------- I'm unable to quote this, but you said that only two Ferioli stories had been published in Holland. I just ran through my 1990-92 volumes of AA, which I had only read through for Don's stories, and found many more by Ferioli (and some I had wrongly attributed to him). The reason for this search is a project to identify all the artists in my Danish index. If someone could give me a few names and codes for Italian Topolino stories it would be a big help. Fabio, could I somehow obtain your and Alberto Beccatini's (sp?) index? From: Gary ---------- >One form of revisionism we have on occasion practiced has a recent example in >the Murry-drawn Phantom Blot story that featured Blot, Mickey, Donald and >Scrooge, and appeared in a recent Donald & Mickey (I don't remember which one >at the moment, they all blur together for me most of the time). In this case, >we decided this very rare crossover in its original form would not play as >well to today's audience as it might if we tweaked the dialogue a little. So >we tweaked. Reception has been mixed, as expected. The question that remains >is: is trying to improve the past, for whatever reason, any more justifiable >than suppressing it? And a week later (to David): >I appreciate what you (and Don) had to say concerning revisionism. While we're >quite gleeful about it when it comes to the Egmont material we use (we HAVE to >revise the dialogue!), it is something we're much less certain of when it >comes to the "classics." Continued feedback from anyone on this will be >welcome. I for one would prefer a story totally skipped instead of 're-worked'. The reason is the meagre outlet you have in the US. You can only print about 1,000 pages a year. Unfortunately you choose to spend them on 3rd reprints or/and censored, and therefore less valuable, stories. So they take space from other stories that could be published unblemished during these dark ages. Why not save the classics until the world is ready for them, and use new material from Holland, Italy, Denmark or even France? Is the American market so sensitive to the contents of the individual magazine? In Denmark they can sell anything with Walt's name on it... So I don't mind at all when you improve modern stories, though the Rota story with the-banquet-that-wasn't won't fit that bill. So I'm a bigot. BTW: The cover for WDC #589, the snowman in the phone booth, credited to Michael Nadorp, appeared in another version on Norwegian DD #2/94, i.e. almost simultaneously. There has been a bunch of those snowman covers here recently, so obviously you reworked it. Why? (*Real* nice colors!) "Uniikki unikorni onkin korni koni." ("It's just a horse.") ...and that's pronounced 'Rykestine' (definitely *not* Reeksteen)... From jonlo at ifi.uio.no Fri Feb 4 16:16:29 1994 From: jonlo at ifi.uio.no (Jon Cato Lorentzen) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 16:16:29 +0100 Subject: Don Rosa Story on Prime Time News Message-ID: <19940204151629.2457.maud.ifi.uio.no@ifi.uio.no> Yesterday, Dagsrevyen (Norways most watched TV-News-program) had a short report on Donald Duck. Donald Duck on his way to Lillehammer, was the title. The reporter said: (this is freely translated from memory) "Of all the celebrities on their way to the Olympics, Donald Duck is one of them. In the latest issue of american Donald Duck, Donald travels to Lillehammer and participates in the opening ceremony". This was accompanied by many pictures from from the Rosa story in DD 283. Then the reporter said that this was not the only time in history that Donald had visited Norway. In the 60s he visited Arendal and bought cheese at Larsens Ost (This of course, is the Barks story with the lemen). This part was also accompanied by some pictures from the Barks story. Then there was an inteview with an old guy in a cheese store that said he remembered that day when Donald bought a cheese there... (?) After that, there was a short interview with a Norwegian Donaldist (Rasmussen) who said he was very pleased that Donald was coming to Lillehammer, and talked a little about the end of the Rosa story where Donald messes upthe opening ceremony. And that was it, actually. Jon C. Lorentzen University of Oslo From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl Fri Feb 4 16:28:34 1994 From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 1994 16:28:34 +0100 Subject: From RoC (Next weeks' mail) Message-ID: <199402041528.AA06169@athena.research.ptt.nl> about a Russian MM: > It was for sale here too for 4$, though I didn't buy it. What's in it? If this is the same issue I have seen in Holland: Danish crap 8-). > Fabio, could I somehow obtain your and Alberto Beccatini's (sp?) index? Fabio: If the answer is 'yes', think of me too... > BTW: The cover for WDC #589, the snowman in the phone booth, credited to > Michael Nadorp, Michel actually (pronounced like in the Beatles song...) > appeared in another version on Norwegian DD #2/94, i.e. > almost simultaneously. There has been a bunch of those snowman covers > here recently, so obviously you [Gary at Gladstone] reworked it. The Gladstone cover is an exact copy of the original Dutch cover, which appeared in 1991 or so. I think Egmont had the cover redrawn for their own editions. > "Uniikki unikorni onkin korni koni." ("It's just a horse.") I don't think this text was in the original Dutch story... --Harry. From dicapuaf at giris7.pfizer.com Fri Feb 4 16:44:20 1994 From: dicapuaf at giris7.pfizer.com (Frank DiCapua) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 10:44:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: Frank DiCapua Message-ID: <9402041544.AA26366@giris7.pfizer.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text Size: 1440 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/19940204/348f3865/attachment.pl From mayerson at sidefx.sidefx.com Fri Feb 4 16:53:34 1994 From: mayerson at sidefx.sidefx.com (Mark Mayerson) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 10:53:34 -0500 Subject: Emancipation? Message-ID: <9402041553.AA14343@sidefx.sidefx.com> To Don Rosa: Don, You know the publishing situation in the U.S. and Europe far better than I, so what I'm about to suggest may be an impossibility. However, have you thought about using the reputation that you've established with the Disney comics and using it as leverage to get something of your own off the ground? You rightfully complain about the financial and ownership situation with regard to Disney. If your name is enough of a draw in Europe, maybe Egmont or somebody else would publish a comic that you own all rights to. The artists who formed Image comics took advantage of their following at Marvel to go off on their own. They are far better off now financially than they were then, if only because they control all the anciliary rights for merchandising, movies, etc. Does Egmont or any other Disney publisher in Europe also publish non-Disney comics where a creator-owned story would fit in? This would relieve you of the responsibility of carrying an entire comic by yourself but could give you an outlet to start building up a following and an inventory for characters of your own. Do you think this is possible? As a side issue, even making noises about this might give you some leverage with Egmont to improve your page rate or get some other concessions to keep you working on ducks. ___________________________________________________________________ Mark Mayerson Side Effects Software Inc., Internet: mayerson at sidefx.com Toronto, Ontario, Canada (416) 366-4607 From d91fe at hyperion.pt.hk-r.se Fri Feb 4 16:49:43 1994 From: d91fe at hyperion.pt.hk-r.se (Fredrik Ekman) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 94 16:49:43 +0100 Subject: From RoC Message-ID: <9402041549.AA12250@hyperion.pt.hk-r.se> Ole wrote: > From: Fredrik > ------------- > >[...] some issue of a weekly Mickey Mouse that featured not only "The > >Bees Have It" by William Van Horn, but also one of Jippes' re-drawn > >JW stories. [...] > > Both have been published in Sweden, and if you want English text why > not try DDAD#4 and the CBL? I admit I don't know which JWW story you > are talking about, so far three have been published in Denmark. Yes, both have been published in Sweden. But at that time, the JW story hadn't. And from my quick look I thought the colours and printing looked pretty good, so I wanted it all the same. > BTW: How come I can't mail you? Good question! But if you have trouble reaching me at d91fe at pt.hk-r.se, you can try d91fe at hkr01.ide.hk-r.se instead. /F From varmas at cs.man.ac.uk Fri Feb 4 18:16:35 1994 From: varmas at cs.man.ac.uk (Shanu) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 94 17:16:35 GMT Subject: THE INTERNET & GAMES - JUNK Message-ID: <9402041716.AA00695@t1a.cs.man.ac.uk> APOLOGIES IF YOU KNOW NOTHING OF WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT If you are a postmaster, then please circulate this to all members of your list/ organisation, If you are on the internet and you receive this please forward it to all members on the internet. If you are none of the above but know anything then please return e-mail >>>>>>>>>>>>> Right, I am looking for addresses for FTP sites where there are games & things which have been cracked. If you know of such places then please email the sute address to me if you know the global alias for all users on the internet then please tell me. thanks ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |"If a man loves you then you must love him back, if he ignores you, | | you must turn the other cheek, however, if a man shows you racism, | | then he must die" - Martin Luther King | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Department of Computer Science, University of Manchester, Oxford Road | |Manchester M13 9PL. tel : (+44) 61 445 5513 | |ARPA: shantanu at cs.man.ac.uk | |UUCP: ..!mcsun!uknet!mucs!shantanu | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu Fri Feb 4 23:00:48 1994 From: David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu (David A Gerstein) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 1994 17:00:48 -0500 Subject: Current MM newspaper strip Message-ID: <9402042200.AA04350@bigbird.cc.williams.edu> Dear Folks, I was away for a week's vacation, visiting a school friend of mine in Framingham, MA and, while at her home, observed the MM Sunday color strip in the local _Middlesex News_. Fer gosh sakes, it's *awful!* Halfway decent artwork, but nothing to shout about. Sure a heck of a lot better than the 1970s examples that appeared in the MM Gladstone jubileum issue, though. But basically, the plots could have been written for any cartoon characters. Plot #1: Goofy imagines himself a spaceship commander flying through the cosmos, to eventually be awakened from his daydream by Mickey -- who reveals that Goofy is imagining this because he's riding a phony spaceship at a carnival. Plot #2: Mickey and Goofy prepare as if they're going to go to the Super Bowl, when in fact they're merely watching it on television. What a letdown. I know I could write better MM strips than this! Plot #1 is a cheap ripoff of Calvin and Hobbes, whereas Plot #2 was just banal. I laughed at neither of them. The strip is still stuck in the 1970s -- I swear, Mickey wears the full suit of clothes, the whole shebang. Nearly all of Disney's products in the last few years have switched over to a modern MM in the 1930s costume -- but this strip is just stuck behind. As are, strangely, many of the products aimed specifically at kids. Yet I've never known a kid who preferred the fully-clothed MM to the shorts-only one. In any event, is it any *wonder* that this isn't in more papers? The daily allegedly has adventure stories again now, but the _Middlesex_ doesn't run that. Has anyone seen it? Is it perhaps any better? It feels so awful to see my favorite fictional character treated this way... Just thought I'd pass it along. After choking over Plot #2, I opened WDC&S #590 and got back to some *real* MM newspaper strips. Another MM product-review in my next letter, also pertaining to comics. Your friend, David Gerstein From David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu Fri Feb 4 23:17:34 1994 From: David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu (David A Gerstein) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 1994 17:17:34 -0500 Subject: "Perils of Mickey" Gottfredson storybooks Message-ID: <9402042217.AA05780@bigbird.cc.williams.edu> Dear Folks, Another MM item I have seen lately are two picture books for children in the 'Perils of Mickey' line. The reason I thought to note them here is that they're taken directly from two Gottfredson stories: "The Mail Pilot" and "The Seven Ghosts". These books, paperbacks measuring about 9" by 9" with maybe 24 or 32 pages, do a remarkably good job of telling these rather complex stories in a style younger kids will find suitable. They are illustrated by beautiful blown-up Gottfredson drawings, colored magnificently. To make the stories "safe" for young children, Disney has made a few changes: it describes Mickey attempting to punch a ghost, not shoot him, and it doesn't get into Mickey's target practice lessons either (making it odd when Mickey suddenly knows how to shoot the dirigible's engines off). Also, when Mickey is dropped from the dirigible, he has no bomb attached, and the panel was retouched to eliminate that. I don't mind these changes when we're dealing with a storybook to present Gottfredson to young (pre-comic?) readers, a book which doesn't have the length to include all the details. What I *do* mind is that someone felt young readers would not understand Sylvester Shyster's name, so although it was kept in other "Perils of Mickey" merchandise (including some giveaway comics in cereal boxes), the villain is renamed -- RATTY RASCAL, fer th' luvva Mike -- in this "Mail Pilot" book. This is an example of "talking down" to kids, and it's just what I don't like... and what Gottfredson, Barks, and others never did. It's irritating, to say the least. On the whole, though, these books are an interesting idea which is largely carried out perfectly. The overall effect is very like the Barks "Go Slowly Sands of Time" picture-book story in the Celestial Arts book. But a final note: sixty years ago, kids this age were exposed to "storybookized" Gottfredson in the Big Little Books, which were put together with the feeling that kids could understand more detailed stories with their original, complete plots. I'd like to see books now that recreate the stories with similar depth -- but bigger books, with graphic design like the two discussed here. But apparently Disney feels that today's children lack the intelligence for such more involved stories. I read a lot of Big Little Books during their last hurrah around 1980. From those I graduated directly to regular Disney comics. Maybe for 90s kids, these books will be a similar stepping stone. I can only hope so. David Gerstein From 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM Sat Feb 5 08:01:43 1994 From: 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM (Don Rosa) Date: 05 Feb 94 02:01:43 EST Subject: Disney-comics digest #232. Message-ID: <940205070143_72260.2635_EHK36-1@CompuServe.COM> Where's Gary? I figured he'd get on here and mention this since, now that he's here, it would be his domain. But maybe he's busy. Anyway, had you heard of the new Gladstone "showcase" title, WALT DISNEY'S COMICS IN COLOR, that would feature a wide array of different "classic" Disney comics -- the theme of issue 1 being Donald's 60th Birthday? You saw the ads? This will give you another in the endless list of ideas of what it's like dealing with Disney. I used to call 'em the Evil Empire -- a better name might be the Certifiably Insane Empire. Disney told Gladstone that they could not add a new title to their line of comics. Part of the unique type of bullying license that Disney compels businesses to accept is that their products must have a particular growth rate in profit; at the same time, they forbid Gladstone from expanding their ability to meet that goal. No explanation -- just "we cannot allow that at this time" (which, of course, they CAN). It's things like this that make me that much more sore, not just at Disney, but at the air-head Disney worshipers on those Disney BBSs. Anyway, all that Donald Duck - 60th Birthday stuff will just appear in an issue of DONALD DUCK, I guess. Or maybe Disney will tell Gladstone to just save it for Mickey's 70th Birthday and redraw Mickey's head onto Donald's body -- I wouldn't put it past those geniuses. JON: This news report on TV. I take it the issue of DD & CO. with that Olympics story is on the stands? Were any names of the "creators" mentioned in the story, like Barks or me or anyone else? Or was all the material written and drawn by Walt Disney. FRANK DICAPUA: Hi. Glad you liked that U$ #285. I'll try to find an issue somewhere tomorrow. I KNEW people would be disappointed/upset that the story does not take up the full issue as thay might assume; only 3 of the 12 will be that long. But these stories are done for Egmont which wants shorter stories. And, frankly, the whole series was done with the idea that the REAL intent is for all the stories to appear, eventually, in one album (or two or so) -- most eras of $crooge's life just didn't call for a full 28 page story, and that would have made the series incredibly more logistically difficult. In fact, I'm sure that would never have been allowed if I had insisted on that when I originally suggested the idea. Speaking of Disney revisionism: how about that cover? Notice that the suit of armor on the horse is not ablaze as in the story? The original version of the cover had the blazing armor, but Disney ruled that was "too disturbing" for young children. That's irritating, but they did have a point that time -- if one did not know, as in the story, that the armor was empty, it would look like a man burning to death, I s'pose. Besides, there are bigger hurdles to get across later on with the death scenes and Bombie the Zombie and all. You need to read some of the old Digests in the Library some empty weekend if you were surprised by what I was saying about Disney's medieval policies towards freelance creators. I did mention an art dealer in Germany who sells my art, but I was referring to art from the 80s, back before Disney forbid Gladstone to return the art to the owners of same. As it finally turned out, a year ago Disney granted me the right to have my art returned, but I had to agree to never sell it or otherwise part with it for all eternity. So that dealer does not have any recent art, and that significant source of legitimate income, open to all other freelance artists in America, is another thing denied me as a freelancer of Disney comics. They get away with it since, I regret to say, I am the only artist who was willing to fight them over it, and I don't add up to much. I am a voice in the wilderness. Sure, you can send me that comic for a signature! My address is 9711 Dawson Hill Rd., Louisville, KY, 40299. MARK MAYERSON: As you saw above, I complain more about Disney. But don't let me whine too much, because NOBODY is forcing me to not quit and do work for or based on the characters belonging to a 20th century corporation. I am locked into this sad situation by my devotion to these characters. If I couldn't do Uncle $crooge comics, I wouldn't do some other comics, I'd go back into the construction business. I have no interest in doing "my own" characters since they do not exist and I have no sentimental attachment to them. I didn't grow up on some characters I might invent next week. $crooge and Donald have been part of my entire life. I'm stuck with that. I'm also stuck with the fact that the MAIN reason my stories are somehow popular are because they feature the world's most popular characters. I used to do my own characters in "Duck-type" stories in fanzines as a hobby for years. In fact, I've turned these same stories into Duck stories over the past 7 years. Nobody was interested in my work until I started using the great Ducks; particularly so in America, where the state of comics is such a hideous disgrace. I do "European style" stories, but my art isn't refined enough to stand by itself in Europe without the "crutch" of using the world's most popular comic characters. That's why I see no chance of ever doing my own comics. Besides, Egmont is a very large company that only publishes comics based on licensed products of proven popularity that will sell mega-numbers. They wouldn't be interested. Also, I never said that my PAGE RATE was not decent. Egmont pays everybody the same, regardless of the popularity or lack of same of their work. But that is not a bad rate. If I continue to work feverishly, I can make a comfortable but unextravagant living, though there's no vacations or health insurance or pension or any of that. But I sacrifice those things when I decide to be a freelancer. The things no artist SHOULD have to sacrifice are ROYALTIES and our ARTWORK, which are benefits I should be entitled to with the blessing of the parent company, but that's not the way Disney is. Anyway, don't assume that I'm either wealthy or destitute... I just get along. SHANU: Isn't this classy? Somebody hiding behind a psuedonym coming on our system to ask if we can help him steal some bootleg software! How proud we all are. TO ALL YOU EUROPEANS!: In a recent Danish comic I saw an ad for an Uncle $crooge wristwatch that looked like a pretty decent piece of goods. The only two American $crooge watches are a cheapie made for kiddies and a $75 "limited edition" #@&%# made for "collectibles louts". And neither of these are actually $crooge -- the first is the DuckTales counterfeit $crooge, and the other is the MICKEY'S XMAS CAROL counterfeit $crooge. Can anyone find me some NICE European $crooge wristwatch??? (No, Shanu... I don't want to buy one of those hot Rolexes you have up your sleeve.) From trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu Sat Feb 5 14:09:08 1994 From: trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu (Tryg Helseth) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 94 07:09:08 CST Subject: Welcome/breakfast/junk mail/CBL-DDA Message-ID: <16690.trygve@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Frank DiCapua: ============== Hi and welcome to the mailing list. I'm somewhat of a newcomer here too as I Joined in December 1993. I haven't seen US 285 yet, but was interested in your comment about the reference to the horsradish story in US FC 495. By coincidence, that's the first Scrooge comic I remember reading too. (And I was about 7 or 8 when that came out.) Was the one you first read that 1954 edition, or a later reprint? Ron Bauerle: ============ >re-sweetened cereal (generically called "Chocolate Frosted Sugar Bombs" for >you Calvin & Hobbes fans :^)), toast, and juice. I put milk on the cereal, >but don't have a separate glass as shown in the commericals - I may risk >osteoporosis, but at least I don't have to worry about kidney stones... OK, I see Sugar and Salt, but where's the Grease and Ketchup? :) Shanu: ====== I sure hope no one is dumb enough to give you a global mailing address for Internet. I notice your mail address is from the same site that recently posted of "unsubscribe" requests. (And those requests had the same signature that you use--I can't believe that Martin Luther King actually said that!) ALL === I asked once before, but received no reply, so here goes again... There has been a lot of talk about Glastone's Carl Barks Library of Donald Duck Adventures in Color as if these have been out for some time. (Someone made a reference to #4.) I've never seen these, and my local comic shop operators claim they had never seen them. Gladstone's ads refer to the series as "current." Is this series actually in production? Has anyone actually received them? Tryg Helseth Minneapolis, MN, USA or "I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" -The Beach Drakes From AREID at MARY.FORDHAM.EDU Sat Feb 5 14:50:18 1994 From: AREID at MARY.FORDHAM.EDU (Darin Reid) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 1994 08:50:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: Uncle Scrooge #285: The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck Message-ID: <760456218.946231.AREID@MARY.FORDHAM.EDU> Well, I got a pleasant suprise this week. My brother usually brings home a bunch of comics for me each week, giving them to me one at a time (well, actually, he flips them to me across the room). At about the fifth toss I was greeted with a brand new Don Rosa cover! It was Uncle Scrooge (Gladstone) #285, the begining (Sp?) of "The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck". This first story: "The Last of The Clan McDuck". Don's art is great as usual, and filled with the great detail that I always expect from him. The best panel in the wole book may be the little sight gag in panel 2 on page three, A worm is tapping a bird (who is pulling up a worm) on the shoulder, and is holding a nail drive club in the other hand. The Story is a hoot, with Barks references flying fast and furious. And, seeing Scrooge as a kid, along with Hortense and Matilda is great. My only complaint: Kid Scrooge looks too much like Huey, Dewey, and Louie, with hair :-) Hey Don, do you ever plan to do a "Life and Times of Donald Duck"? Or how about the story of Scrooges sisters' lives? -Darin From mas at cs.bu.edu Sat Feb 5 18:40:26 1994 From: mas at cs.bu.edu (Mark Semich) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 1994 12:40:26 -0500 Subject: Disney-comics digest #232. In-Reply-To: <940205070143_72260.2635_EHK36-1@CompuServe.COM> (message from Don Rosa on 05 Feb 94 02:01:43 EST) Message-ID: <199402051740.MAA23163@csa.bu.edu> 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM (Don Rosa) writes: > Anyway, had you heard of the new Gladstone "showcase" title, >WALT DISNEY'S COMICS IN COLOR, that would feature a wide array of >different "classic" Disney comics -- the theme of issue 1 being >Donald's 60th Birthday? You saw the ads? > This will give you another in the endless list of ideas of >what it's like dealing with Disney. I used to call 'em the Evil >Empire -- a better name might be the Certifiably Insane Empire. >Disney told Gladstone that they could not add a new title to their >line of comics. Yowch! Extremely insane indeed. I was very much looking forward to this book and for the opportunity to see stories that couldn't be presented elsewhere. (like potential "Perils of Mickey" stuff.) Does this mean that Gladstone couldn't publish a "Mickey Mouse" title even if they wanted to? Or is it the fact that WDCiC is a new *title* that Disney (tm) objects to? (But MM would be okay because it's a cancelled title?) ====== I thought that "The Last of the Clan McDuck" was wonderful! One of the things that I appreciated was the attention to details regarding characterization - like the way Scroogey's hand clamps around his first dime after he earns it. I noticed that part way through the story, Scrooge's side-burns begin to make an appearance. Just how much does he age from the begining to the end of part 1? From David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu Sat Feb 5 21:19:29 1994 From: David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu (David A Gerstein) Date: Sat, 05 Feb 1994 15:19:29 -0500 Subject: WDCiC 1 advertisement Message-ID: <9402052019.AA16197@bigbird.cc.williams.edu> Dear Folks, Since I was away for some time, I've just been catching up reading the Digests I missed. One thing I hadn't looked at in detail was Gary's ad copy for the CBG ad of late -- the one describing WDCiC 1, the Donald 60th-anniversary issue: "[The series] begins with an all-Donald 64-page issue that will include--no kidding!--the very first Donald Duck adventure produced in the comic book format! It's being reprinted in the U.S. for the first time ever!" Largely, Gary, I praise you to the ends of the earth on this ad. Just the thing to get us drooling fans drooling even more than usual ;-) One criticism though. In future ads you must say, "It's being *printed* in the U. S. for the first time ever..." The way you have it now, it suggests that the story *has* previously seen print here. Some people will think that this is a reference to "Pirate Gold" -- or worse, to merely the first Barks 10-pager, which *is* also in the issue. (That was printed before in various album and CBL publications, but this will be its first COMIC-BOOK reprinting, so that could cause confusion.) I have seen this kind of statement before -- for example, "We will begin reprinting Don Rosa's "Life of Scrooge" stories" -- and for inexperienced readers, this sounds like you're referring to things that have been seen here already. What you might say is, "We are printing for the first time in the U. S. [insert name of story here]". I dunno... If Gladstone wants to shout about Pedrocchi in the U. S., you can look up the article about him in Maurice Horn's WORLD ENCYCLOPEDIA OF COMICS. Frederico Pedrocchi is a seminal figure in Italan comics -- he led the "comic renaissance" as it's called there. He gets so much purple prose and praise in Horn's book that you can surely recycle some of it, Gary. More importantly -- WHAT WAS RoC'S COMMENT ABOUT WAR OF THE WENDIGO BEING ACCEPTED BY DISNEY???? DID THIS HAVE BASIS IN FACT? I didn't see the letter from Gary that he quoted -- did I accidentally delete a digest, or worse -- never receive one? My system was down on Tuesday, so maybe that indeed happened... Yours, David Gerstein From gadducci at DI.UniPi.IT Sat Feb 5 19:22:31 1994 From: gadducci at DI.UniPi.IT (Fabio Gadducci) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 1994 21:22:31 +0300 Subject: Some notes... Message-ID: <9402052022.AA05801@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE> Hi, guys! Just some random notes... > >>> Marco Rota was born on September 18.th 1942 in Milan. He did his first >>> professional job at the age of 16, but it would take another 13 years >>> before he had his first Disney story published. It was "Topolino e la >>> tigre col fiocco" from June 6.th 1971 in Topolino #10. >> >>Can someone translate this title? >I first intended to do so with all the Italian titles, but as this one >came out as 'The Bearded Tiger' I reconsidered. > Actually, I think the correct translation is "The tufted tiger" (if I remember the story correctly!! Or maybe "The flocked tiger"...) >> Rota on Gottfredson >> >> I'LL SAY!! I'm surprised Rota praised Murry early in his >>interview, when he later had the guts (which I applaud) to say a thing >>like this -- and also to criticize those who made Mickey "a detective >>who worked almost mechanically with the police". >You'll be interested to know, that the only regular regular MM title >in Denmark, MM pocket, which incidentally is indistinguishable from the >other monthly pocket filled with I codes, Uncle Scrooge, has been dis- >continued. It has however been replaced with the title Mickey Mysteries. >Quoting by memory from the advert: "Mickey has gone full-time detective >to give you stories the way you like them: exciting!" The stories are >Danish coded, but have a strong Italian flavor. Mickey is a Humphrey >Bogart type, and Minnie is an anchor-mouse on a TV network! >Is this an example of Egmont's hardliner 'back to basics' approach??? > Or maybe is simply the translation of tre Italian ongoing series "I gialli di Topolino", reprinting Mickey's mysteries appeared in the past years in the weekly 'Topolino'. (I say maybe simply because there is no continuity between the stories, as it seems instead to happen in 'Mickey Mysteries') Nikolaus wrote: >Mark Mayerson asked: >> ANYBODY: >> >> In Europe, what percentage of the Disney comics readership are girls? I note >> that most of the contributors to this list are male. In North America, >> boys outnumber girls as comics fans. Is this also true in Europe? > >As far as I can speak (for Germany): YES! The same happens in Italy, even if Disney stuff is an exception: the readers of Topolino are mainly male, but there is at least a 20% of girls between them. Disney is actually trying to get a wider girls readership by introducing a digest, 'Minnie', intended for girls (i.e., with a lot of silly articles, on subjects as stupid as those you can find in the Minnie 'n me trading cards), where the stories have a girlish flavour. I usually buy it since Disney is making the best artists working (almost) only for this book (Cavazzano, Santillo, De Vita... see for example Cavazzano's series 'The roaring years of Clarabelle' [?!], reprinted from 'Le Journal de Mickey') Ole wrote: >From: Harry >----------- >I'm unable to quote this, but you said that only two Ferioli stories had >been published in Holland. I just ran through my 1990-92 volumes of AA, >which I had only read through for Don's stories, and found many more by >Ferioli (and some I had wrongly attributed to him). The reason for this >search is a project to identify all the artists in my Danish index. >If someone could give me a few names and codes for Italian Topolino >stories it would be a big help. >Fabio, could I somehow obtain your and Alberto Beccatini's (sp?) index? Actually, Ferioli is not Italian! He is a Spanish author (even if their parents are Italian) who have been working for a while for Comicup, a studio doing script and art for Mondadori in the 80's (and now sometimes for Disney). I can send you some more information, if you are interested. Btw, I do not like any story from Comicup, even if I admit I never saw any of his 'signed' stories (no Comicup author got any acknowledgment, so I guess he is working freelance) And about the Index: sorry to say, but no updated index exists!! There is only an old version by Franco Fossati published in 1982 in issues 1 and 2 of the magazine 'If'. It is quite interesting, since at the time Fossati was the editor of Topolino and could look at original sources (paybooks, etc.). He is not a good essayst, so that when no source was available he tried to guess, with some poor results. Or when he indicated the wife of Guido Martina, instead of Guido Martina himself, as the author of some stories, only because the paycheck was paid to the wife for fiscal reasons... Anyway, it is an interesting source, and the only one, at the moment. We planned (me, Luca Boschi and some other guy) to make a revised edition of that index, but we do not find the time to write that down. If some of you is interested, I could find those two issues for 30-40$, more or less. That's all, folks! Fabio PS Harry, I did not forgot you! I'll send you your stuff this month, I swear!! (And I'll ask again my friend at "Al fumetto" about Dell Index) ================================================================ Fabio Gadducci Dip. di Informatica Home: +39-50-541725 Universita` di Pisa Off.: +39-50-887268 Corso Italia 40, 56100 PISA (ITALY) FAX: +39-50-887226 E-mail:gadducci at di.unipi.it ================================================================ From 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM Sun Feb 6 07:24:16 1994 From: 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM (Don Rosa) Date: 06 Feb 94 01:24:16 EST Subject: Disney-comics digest #233. Message-ID: <940206062415_72260.2635_EHK25-1@CompuServe.COM> TRYG: The Donald Duck albums from Another Rainbow have been advertised but the first issue is yet to appear. "DARIN REID": You were upset that I drew young $crooge to look like HD&L? How else should I draw a young Duck?! What choice do I have? And whatsamatta with him looking like HD&L, anyhow? There isn't much chance of a "Life and Times of Donald Duck" since I don't know what that could involve. I mean, he doesn't have a history like $crooge; Donald was just born, grew up and there he was. I might (for some reason I don't yet know) do a story about Donald as a youth, but the tale couldn't involve any important moment in his life as there are none. He's the "Everyman" character. I can also always drop back and do some other stories about something that happened to Hortense and Matilda. They are only shown in brief spots in the Lo$, and they mysteriously disappear after chapter 11 by simply telling $crooge that they never want to see him again. After that, maybe they move back to Scotland, maybe they die... it doesn't really matter, so why deal with it? And even though I COULD tell a story of Hortense and Matilda (or Pa and Ma or such), if $crooge is not there to be part of it, there would be little reason for the tale and readers would not be particularly interested, I shouldn't think. MARK: How much does young $crooge age through part I? It opens in 1877 (as noted on the cover) and ends in 1880 -- just 3 years. You noticed the sprouting of the sideburns? Did you also notice how his eyes join his beak in adult-Duck style? I just found a copy of U$ #285 today, and what *I* noticed was $crooge's BROWN HAIR! I never intended him to have BROWN HAIR! Now I'm trying to figure out why he won't have that same BROWN HAIR all the way until the end of part XI when he's getting old. I need to call Gladstone and see if I can put a stop to THAT! I was also distressed to see Pa with the same brown hair, but perhaps that will help the more stupid readers (the ones Disney is always catering to) to not think that Pa is $crooge if they just look at the pictures. DAVID: I received your private message seeking coroboration of the cancellation of WALT DISNEY'S COMICS IN COLOR, but I didn't answer since I knew you'd see Digest #233 soon enough. Your other question about somebody mentioning Disney okaying the "Wendigo" story stumps me. I'm not sure what you're referring to. Rest assured that nothing like that has happened. From AREID at MARY.FORDHAM.EDU Sun Feb 6 14:16:58 1994 From: AREID at MARY.FORDHAM.EDU (Darin Reid) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 1994 08:16:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: Hortense and Matilda / Life of Donald Message-ID: <760540618.366732.AREID@MARY.FORDHAM.EDU> > You were upset that I drew young $crooge to look like HD&L? How >else should I draw a young Duck?! What choice do I have? And whatsamatta >with him looking like HD&L, anyhow? Well, I wasn't really upset, I was just kidding. But there must be other ways to draw young ducks. > There isn't much chance of a "Life and Times of Donald Duck" >since I don't know what that could involve. I mean, he doesn't have a >history like $crooge; Donald was just born, grew up and there he was. I >might (for some reason I don't yet know) do a story about Donald as a >youth, but the tale couldn't involve any important moment in his life as >there are none. He's the "Everyman" character. Well, he doesn't have an adventurous history like $crooge, but he does have one. What makes Donald Duck the way he is? What events happened when he was growing up that made him so clueless? :-) Maybe a "Life of Donald" series could include landmark events in his life. Events such as his first run in with cousin Gladstone, the first time he met Uncle Scrooge, and so on. I mean any excuse to get you to draw more ducks Don. :-) > I can also always drop back and do some other stories about >something that happened to Hortense and Matilda. They are only shown in >brief spots in the Lo$, and they mysteriously disappear after chapter 11 >by simply telling $crooge that they never want to see him again. After >that, maybe they move back to Scotland, maybe they die... it doesn't >really matter, so why deal with it? And even though I COULD tell a story >of Hortense and Matilda (or Pa and Ma or such), if $crooge is not there >to be part of it, there would be little reason for the tale and readers >would not be particularly interested, I shouldn't think. What happens to them matters to me because I can't stand to see potentially important characters just fade into nothing. I mean here you have the two people who should be the most important part of $crooge's life, but they disappear? I think that if you don't do anymore "kid" Hortense and Matilda stories, then you should do a 1 or 2 part $crooge adventure that re-unites $crooge with his sisters. If you ever did a Hortense and Matilda story without $crooge I think that the interest would be there. Maybe you could show how their lives turned out after their break with $scrooge. Maybe they made their own fortunes. Maybe they became adventurers. Maybe they became hermits. There is any number of ways they could have gone. Plus, this is *your* opportunity, Don, to *create* a branch of Duck lore that is *all* your own. Unless you only want to do Barks stuff, which is fine with me. But you should think about it. Remember that Barks created $crooge out of nothing, and made him into one of the most popular characters in comics history. You could use either Hortense, Matilda, or either to do the same. -- Bitnet : Areid at Fordmulc Unix/AIX: Reid at Dsm.Fordham.Edu Vax/VMS : Areid at Mary.Fordham.Edu Freenet : Bz809 at Cleveland.Freenet.Edu From mas at cs.bu.edu Sun Feb 6 17:33:05 1994 From: mas at cs.bu.edu (Mark Semich) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 1994 11:33:05 -0500 Subject: Disney-comics digest #233. In-Reply-To: <940206062415_72260.2635_EHK25-1@CompuServe.COM> (message from Don Rosa on 06 Feb 94 01:24:16 EST) Message-ID: <199402061633.LAA02826@csa.bu.edu> >From: Don Rosa <72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM> > How much does young $crooge age through part I? It opens in 1877 >(as noted on the cover) and ends in 1880 -- just 3 years. You noticed >the sprouting of the sideburns? Did you also notice how his eyes join >his beak in adult-Duck style? As a matter of fact, I did. :-) But not until *after* I'd sent my message... >I just found a copy of U$ #285 today, and what *I* noticed was >$crooge's BROWN HAIR! I never intended him to have BROWN HAIR! Now I'm >trying to figure out why he won't have that same BROWN HAIR all the >way until the end of part XI when he's getting old. I need to call >Gladstone and see if I can put a stop to THAT! I was also distressed >to see Pa with the same brown hair, but perhaps that will help the >more stupid readers (the ones Disney is always catering to) to not >think that Pa is $crooge if they just look at the pictures. The one thing that I didn't like in "Life and Time of $crooge McDuck" was that *all* of the ducks had some sort of colored hair. There were no all-white Donald/HD&L looking ducks. Scrooge had brown hair, his Pa had brown hair, Jake had grey hair, his Ma had sometimes blond, sometimes brunette, Seafoam had brown, all of the clan McDuck (in the flashbacks) had brown hair, Matilda was blond and Hortense a redhead. Quackly McDuck also had brown hair. As far as I know, *none* of Barks' ducks ever had any sort of colored hair. It seems extremely bizarre on a duck, and now, by extension, it implies that Donald, Daisy, and HD&L are bald! Was this your idea, or Gladstone's? From David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu Sun Feb 6 19:59:53 1994 From: David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu (David A Gerstein) Date: Sun, 06 Feb 1994 13:59:53 -0500 Subject: The Big Bad Jewish Wolf -- CASE CLOSED Message-ID: <9402061859.AA02922@bigbird.cc.williams.edu> Dear Folks, I talked to my friend Jerry Beck, an animation historian in Los Angeles, and at last found out the whole story about Zeke Wolf's Hasidic disguise in 1933's THE THREE LITTLE PIGS. Here's the reason for our confusion -- there were *three* versions of the film! A) 1930s version. The Wolf's Hasidic disguise included hunched-over posture and hooked schnoz, as well as Yiddish dialect: "I'm the Fuller Brush Man. I givin' g'way free semple." B) 1940s version. The Wolf was reanimated so that he didn't hunch over or have a hooked nose while giving his speech. The new animation was made by Jack Hannah. But the AUDIO remained the same. C) Current version, made in 1950s. Version B was given a new audio track so that the wolf now said, "I'm the Fuller Brush man. I work me way through college." The Wolf's lip movements still say "...I givin' g'way free semple." This is *not* common knowledge. It is unknown if version B was ever released to theatres, but it was made available as a home movie print for a while, which is how Mr. Beck once saw it. The only version ever released to TV and video is version C. Version A is one of the rarest cartoons of all time. Mr. Beck doesn't even know if the Disney Archives has a copy. He has seen a French version at the Museum of Modern Art. As someone noted, Zeke isn't obviously very devout, because he's spent years of his life attempting to catch three pigs. Of course, as non-kosher Jews such as myself know, the lure of the hog is great sometimes... ;-) Your friend, David Gerstein "SO! Will Petrolio de Balonio de Donald Ducko *pay* for his Christmas dinner, or will he wash dishes in *my* kitchen?" From David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu Sun Feb 6 20:06:51 1994 From: David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu (David A Gerstein) Date: Sun, 06 Feb 1994 14:06:51 -0500 Subject: WDCiC cancellation -- IMPORTANT Message-ID: <9402061906.AA03260@bigbird.cc.williams.edu> Dear Folks, The above is perhaps the most depressing news I've heard in a long time. So not only did Disney refuse to let this title be issued, but gives NO reason why it can't be. It just *can't* be. Get this. WE ALL NEED TO WRITE AT LEAST ONE LETTER APIECE TO GLADSTONE ABOUT THIS. IF GLADSTONE GETS 50 LETTERS TO SHOW TO DISNEY, THEN WHO KNOWS? *** PERHAPS *** DISNEY WILL RECONSIDER THEIR BIZARRE REFUSAL TO LET THE COMIC SERIES BE MADE. I KNOW, AND MAYBE THE MOON IS MADE OF CHEESE, BUT IT'S WORTH A TRY. GARY... WHO SHOULD THE LETTERS BE ADDRESSED TO? IS THERE ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR WE CAN OR SHOULD SAY? Last (also to Gary) what issue of DD or DDA is now scheduled to be that 60th Birthday issue? Sincerely, David Gerstein From geotomp at aol.com Mon Feb 7 01:42:16 1994 From: geotomp at aol.com (geotomp@aol.com) Date: Sun, 06 Feb 94 19:42:16 EST Subject: unsubscribe Message-ID: <9402061942.tn111428@aol.com> unsubscribe big downtime comming. Geotomp at aol.com From David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu Mon Feb 7 01:45:30 1994 From: David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu (David A Gerstein) Date: Sun, 06 Feb 1994 19:45:30 -0500 Subject: Hair o' the duck/WDCiC cancellation In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 07 Feb 1994 01:18:10 +0100 Message-ID: <9402070045.AA21568@bigbird.cc.williams.edu> Hi, Folks! Mark Semich said: "As far as I know, *none* of Barks' ducks ever had any sort of colored hair. It seems extremely bizarre on a duck, and now, by extension, it implies that Donald, Daisy, and HD&L are bald! Was this your idea, or Gladstone's?" How about Gladstone *Gander's?* Am I wrong, or has Gladstone Gander's hair been frequently colored brown during the last forty-five years? It hasn't always been colored brown (hell, in his first appearance, for one page only it's colored *green!*), but it quite frequently has. As for other ducks with colored hair, I think of Don Rosa's own favorite, Ludwig von Drake, who has brown hair (what's left of it). As for Barks ducks in particular, I have never seen an edition of "The Horseradish Story" that didn't color Seafoam McDuck's hair some color. It's even shaded as though it's meant to be colored, not white. And Glittering Goldie's got gold hair, doesn't she? And Magica de Spell has black hair! (I forgot all about her.) BTW, as for whether all little-kid ducks resemble HDL, I know they don't. In any event, they certainly don't all grow up to be Scrooge's size... think of the football-player ducks in some stories, among others. In Don Rosa's own "On Stolen Time," as the Beagle Boys run over the frozen crowd, we see a duck who flouts two conventions. Apparently a rabbi (given his outfit), he not only has eyes like HDL, separate from his beak, but is as tall as the dogface characters in the crowd. Maybe it's just that Jewish ducks look different somehow. ;-) * * * * * Back to the cancellation of WDCiC. Did Gladstone just go ahead and put this series on the schedule and in the ads without telling Disney about it? I was under the impression that Gladstone's current contract with Disney was for six titles only... that's what someone told me when Gladstone's new books were starting up. If Disney was not told until the new series was announced, I can see why they would have been confused, although I DON'T say that this should let them cancel the series. Perhaps a renegotiation of some contract or other is in order. Then again, maybe something in me just doesn't want to believe that Disney is as nuts as it seems right now. Why shouldn't they want another title out there? More exposure for the characters, more royalties for them. What's the danged PROBLEM? (And who made the decision?) If, after continued discussion with Disney, Gladstone cannot get them to agree to adding this series in the near future (if not immediately), I suggest that they use the extra resources they apparently have now -- they must have them, if they planned to publish six additional books a year! -- and begin publishing their ongoing six titles eight times annually? Disney's latest ultimatum... WHY? WHAT DOES IT GET FOR DISNEY? A POWER TRIP? WHAT????! David Gerstein From hellman at proxxi.uf.se Sun Feb 6 23:56:24 1994 From: hellman at proxxi.uf.se (Bror Hellman) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 1994 23:56:24 +0100 (MET) Subject: The Big Bad Jewish Wolf -- CASE CLOSED In-Reply-To: <9402061859.AA02922@bigbird.cc.williams.edu> Message-ID: > Version A is one of the rarest cartoons of all time. Mr. Beck > doesn't even know if the Disney Archives has a copy. He has seen a > French version at the Museum of Modern Art. In that case, it's possible to restore it! The french version with the type "B" soundtrack! Steamboat Willie ---------------------------------------------- ... Does The Little Mermaid wear an algebra? ---------------------------------------------- Internet: hellman at proxxi.uf.se, DuckNet: hellman at 313:100/13.0 From 3COM_GATEWAY at pc.niaid.nih.gov Mon Feb 7 02:13:51 1994 From: 3COM_GATEWAY at pc.niaid.nih.gov (3Com/Unix Mail Gateway) Date: Sun, 06 Feb 94 20:13:51 EST Subject: Undelivered Mail. Message-ID: <2d5595cf@pc.niaid.nih.gov> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Error in this mail message. (-1) Mail could not be delivered to (null) ----- Unsent message follows ----- Failed to deliver to the following recipients: jww:ess:niaid ------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Date: 2-6-94 1:24am From: {disney-comics at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE}:unix:niaid To: jww:ess:niaid Subj: Disney-comics digest #233. Attach: txtattch.txt --------------------------------------------------------------- From d91fe at diploducus.pt.hk-r.se Sat Feb 5 16:45:20 1994 From: d91fe at diploducus.pt.hk-r.se (Fredrik Ekman) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 94 16:45:20 +0100 Subject: THE INTERNET & GAMES - JUNK Message-ID: <9402051545.AA07164@diploducus> To everybody: Please everyone, don't bother about that message asking for cracked games. I have a strong suspicion that by this time, this individual's mailbox will be flooded with flames and "please tell me too if you hear anything" replies. In addition, his postmaster's mailbox will be equally full of complaints and within a few days or so, he shouldn't even have an account anymore. This kind of activity is not what the Internet was designed for, and so far, it has managed to keep fairly free from it. Sorry for the off-topic message. :-) /F From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl Mon Feb 7 09:49:19 1994 From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 1994 09:49:19 +0100 Subject: War of the Wendigo accepted? Message-ID: <199402070849.AA15276@athena.research.ptt.nl> David Gerstine (or Gersteen?) wrote: > WHAT WAS RoC'S COMMENT ABOUT WAR OF THE WENDIGO BEING ACCEPTED > BY DISNEY???? DID THIS HAVE BASIS IN FACT? I didn't see the letter > from Gary that he quoted -- did I accidentally delete a digest, or > worse -- never receive one? My system was down on Tuesday, so > maybe that indeed happened... Ole was telling a JOKE. Read that digest again. Although, he might actually quote Gary's letter, who knows... --Harry. P.S. For some reason I have the urge to state the following: American artist Don Chips and Dutch writer Fred de Milton are rumored to be the creative staff on 'Rebel Babies' from LucasComics. I know it doesn't make sense at all, but I'm sure Ole will reply to this... From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl Mon Feb 7 10:56:59 1994 From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 1994 10:56:59 +0100 Subject: a review and questions about US 285 (Lo$ 1) Message-ID: <199402070957.AA18443@athena.research.ptt.nl> I bought U$ 285 last weekend. Though I already had the Dutch version, it is nice to have the "original" version too. Some remarks: The first page was not in the Dutch version, so I assume Don drew it especially for Gladstone. (Am I right?) No art has been changed, except on page 2, panel 3, where a tombstone is enlarged. The whole panel was made larger because the caption is smaller. This is just a very tiny adjustment. On page 2, panel 2, it says that the castle has been abandoned since the 13th century. The Dutch version said 17th century, and I think that is the original, since on page 3 the year 1675 is mentioned. Did Gladstone make a lettering-error here? On page 7, panel 5, Scrooge says "The first coin I ever earned from my own labor!" I find it a bit strange to see the American spelling of "labour" in a text where everyone talks with a (more or less slight) Scottish accent. Maybe it's me? To me, 'labor' sounds different from 'labour'... They had Don write an article about "The Making of Lo$" in the comic. I think the list of original Barks comics spoils the fun of finding these references yourself... The story is quite good. A flaw is that it's a concatenation of anecdotes, in stead of one rounded story. But what can one expect from a Lo$ where a lot of facts have to be told? I said 'quite good', because it's not excellent. Part 2 of the Lo$, THAT's an excellent story. --Harry. From jonlo at ifi.uio.no Mon Feb 7 13:02:08 1994 From: jonlo at ifi.uio.no (Jon Cato Lorentzen) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 13:02:08 +0100 Subject: Rosa on News and other stuff Message-ID: <19940207120208.12683.mimir.ifi.uio.no@ifi.uio.no> DON: The newsreport on "From Duckburg to Lillehammer" mentioned neither your name, Barks name or the Disney Corp. There were a lot of pictures from the comics, but in Norway, EVERYONE knows that Walt Disney makes the Donald comics (the kids think Walt himself draws them all), so I guess they found no point in mentioning this. They could however have mentioned your name or Barks, but then again. The majority of the readers don't know anything about the artists, and couldnt tell a Barks story from a Duck Tales story. ALL: In the weekend I caught an hilarious episode of the Simpsons. It had a funny "Steamboat Willie"-parody, with Itchy & Scratcy. For those who don't know who these guys are, they are a cartoon in the cartoon, with a cat and a mouse (Itchy & Scratchy), a sort of ultra violent parody of Tom & Jerry. In the Steamboat Willie parody, Itchy (Dressed as Mickey Mouse) stood at the wheel of Steamboat Itchy, tapping his foot. Then Scratchy (as Pete) came up behind him, and stretched out his arms while growling. Itchy then jumped around and blasted him with a machinegun, and threw him into the coal-burner. The whole thing was VERY like Steamboat Willie in style (except for the violence. Jon C. Lorentzen From James_Williams at ESS.NIAID.pc.niaid.nih.gov Mon Feb 7 14:21:19 1994 From: James_Williams at ESS.NIAID.pc.niaid.nih.gov (James Williams) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 94 08:21:19 EST Subject: Origins Message-ID: <2d56404f@ESS.NIAID.pc.niaid.nih.gov> Reading the 1st chapter of Lo$ got me wondering: have we ever seen the origins of Flintheart Glomgold, Magica de Spell, or the Beagle Boys? James Williams From 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM Mon Feb 7 15:05:18 1994 From: 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM (Don Rosa) Date: 07 Feb 94 09:05:18 EST Subject: Disney-comics digest #234. Message-ID: <940207140518_72260.2635_EHK30-1@CompuServe.COM> "DARIN REID": No, I still don't see any important moments to show in the life of Donald Duck. His "clueless" nature... what does that mean? Stupid? I don't see him that way -- just sorta dense. Better you might ask for an explanation of his hot-tempered nature -- but you'll see that I show that to be an inherited trait. His first meeting with Gladstone would have occured when they were both babies which would make it rather pointless and put me in danger of seeming to be doing stories about those most detestable non-characters the (gag) "Disney Babies"! His first meeting with $crooge is shown with great emphasis in Part XII of the Lo$. Maybe I could think up some sorta special event in DD's past life, but as I tried to say, any such treatment of Donald in that way would tend to violate his "Everyman" quality. I show his importance to the Duck Universe in my 60th Birthday story, but it is still based on DD just being an average guy. I MIGHT do a story showing what happened to Matilda later in life (I still maintain that she married Ludwig Von Drake, but no one will allow that). But I can NEVER show Hortense again since she is DD's mother, and the addition of that character into the current Universe would be too much tampering on my part. Plus, to show $crooge ever reunited with his sisters would screw up the basis for much of his irritable, lonely personality. It won't happen at my hands. In answer to your further comments, that I should go about creating whole new vistas of Duck lore, I am trying not to do that. You can see how sore Barks is at me for just what I'm doing now in CONFIRMING his past writings about $crooge; he makes public statements to make it clear that he does not "agree" with my $crooge history (which is puzzling, since it's all based solidly on what he already said about $crooge). You can imagine his fury and that of Barks fans if I ever started screwing around with the very fabric of the Universe wholesale! Again, it won't happen at my hands. MARK: As I tried to make it clear, NO - the hair coloring was NOT my idea; it was solely Gladstone's and I hope to stop it. Now, I DO think the female Ducks, who have obviously fancy hair "dos", should have some coloring to their hair. Maybe it's dyed? But NO male Ducks should have any hair color but WHITE. DAVID: I'm sure your hearts in the right place, but you should really calm down about Disney's mindless policies. The letter-writing of 50 comic book fans will not matter a whit to them. Nor 100. Nor 1000. Publicity in the major media is the sort of thing they SOMETIMES notice, but not often. You'll just need to get used to the fact that comics to Disney are beneath noticing, and you should just take their decisions and hope for the best. Besides, where are your calls for letter-writing campaigns about their policy of not returning artwork or paying royalties to freelancers? Shouldn't you start with the flagrant violations of federal law before you gripe about not seeing some future comic title which will actually be just another vehicle for their abuse of freelancers? Of course, that, too, would be pointless. With a corporation-mentality like Disney's, pointing out their injustices and mistakes to them only serves to make them mad because the department heads are NOT interested in you or me, only in keeping their bosses from finding out about something they did that might not have been right. They are not interested in justice but in DAMAGE CONTROL... and your letters will be the potential damage which will be firmly controled. From APATERN1 at ithaca.edu Mon Feb 7 16:02:52 1994 From: APATERN1 at ithaca.edu (APATERN1@ithaca.edu) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 1994 10:02:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: No subject Message-ID: <01H8LM7CY5988Y96PE@ithaca.edu> i would appreciate it if you could remove me from your mailing list. i do not have the time to read all of the messages. thank you. alicia paterno From marmelmm at dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu Mon Feb 7 17:11:08 1994 From: marmelmm at dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu (M. Mitchell Marmel) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 11:11:08 -0500 Subject: Don Rosa Olympic Story... Message-ID: <199402071611.LAA02015@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu> Just got the March DD; really liked the Olympic story, Don! Nice work. I especially liked the bit with the skis at the end; very Wile E. Coyoteish. :) Mitch ============================================================================= M. Mitchell Marmel | Co-Chaircritter, Alt.Tasteless Drexel University | Awards Committee, 1993 Department of Materials Engineering | *I CAN BE BOUGHT!* Fibrous Materials Research Laboratory | marmelmm at dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu ============================================================================ = From trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu Tue Feb 8 00:22:10 1994 From: trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu (Tryg Helseth) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 94 17:22:10 CST Subject: Thanks and hairy ducks (not gweducs) Message-ID: <16682.trygve@maroon.tc.umn.edu> DON: Thanks for the info on the DDA albums; its a relief to know that they aren't out yet as I'd hate to miss them. (Of course, Gladstone does sell back issues...) ALL: (Ducks with hair) With all this talk about hair color, I remember a DD story from WDC&S in the mid '60s where Don, Daisy, and Gladstone were on a cruise ship. Daisy duck was experimenting with different wigs, and Gladstone had hair in a modified Beatles style. Anybody remember that story? Tryg Helseth Minneapolis, MN, USA or "I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" -The Beach Drakes From David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu Tue Feb 8 02:19:48 1994 From: David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu (David A Gerstein) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 1994 20:19:48 -0500 Subject: Hair o' the Duck, and NEWS from John Clark!! In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 08 Feb 1994 01:19:08 +0100 Message-ID: <9402080119.AA09007@hancock.cc.williams.edu> Dear Folks, Don Rosa said, "NO male Ducks should have any hair color but WHITE." Brings to mind a quote, doesn't it: "He looks just like you, Unca Donald, except that his hair is black!" And the duck Rabbi I mentioned in "On Stolen Time" has black hair, too. And *what* about Gladstone Gander? I think it's safe to say that *most* Ducks have white hair, but not *all* of them. (When Barks -- or Daniel Branca for that matter -- draws a big muscular lug of a duck, he's usually got hair that's black or some nonwhite color, too.) I talked with John Clark today. What with the inexplicable cancellation of WDCiC, the 60th Birthday stuff is going into DD 286, to be released early in June. The comic will be just like WDCiC 1 was planned to be, aside from (I'm just guessing) a different logo on the cover. Actually, John told me it would be DD 285, but he said "the June issue" and thus 286 seems only right. Besides, 285 has already been solicited, and is merely the standard Barks/Taliaferro mix. And it ships in April -- kinda early, noting as how the issue is just getting into production now. Meanwhile, a Jippes Scrooge story will be backing up the Lo$ part 3, I think. And backing up part 4 will be, I believe, one of the Danish stories I dialogued, although it hasn't been decided which one, yet. Meanwhile the Scarpa story "Uncle Scrooge and the Feast of Assurbanipal" (original title: "The Lentils of Babylon") is scheduled for the Thanksgiving issue of USA (the few issues before it haven't been scheduled yet, but that one needed to be scheduled because it has references to Thanksgiving in it). And meanwhile again, John mentioned that new Gottfredsons would be appearing after "The Pirate Ghostship", apparently. This means that WDC&S' MM material will go "new" around #597. Although he didn't mention "The Sheriff of Nugget Gulch" -- who knows whether that one will be re-run? (John said that the two Gottfredsons that were in the Giant Album series were too long for WDC&S given the current bi-monthly schedule.) DONALD AND MICKEY will have a recent Dutch MM story in it after "Don't Call Me Tut," and the two issues of that have another foreign story (he didn't remember what that was). After that we have another Goofy History story... I actually don't mind them only once in a while. It's when they monopolize all the issues that I'm not satisfied. Last, WDC&S may go to thicker issues in 1995. A long way off, but it's going to happen, because a lot of readers want wolves, bugs, and rabbits with their Mice and Ducks there. (Myself included.) That's all for now, folks. Your friend, David Gerstein (pronounced 'Gersteen' but NOT spelt that way) "I'm the Fuller Brush Man! I'm givin' g'way free semple!" From 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM Tue Feb 8 05:42:07 1994 From: 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM (Don Rosa) Date: 07 Feb 94 23:42:07 EST Subject: Disney-comics digest #235. Message-ID: <940208044206_72260.2635_EHK33-1@CompuServe.COM> HARRY: How OBSERVANT you are!!! You noticed things about that Lo$ part I that I didn't even notice! The first page "prologue" was part of the original version which your Oberon (or... what are its new initials?) decided not to use to save space. How did you happen to notice that that other panel had been enlarged. It had caught my eye and I suspected something was odd about it, and you'll laugh when I tell you why: the caption box needed to be reduced because Byron Erickson had rewritten my caption (with my approval) AFTER I did the art (including the caption box); in my version, Pa McDuck wasn't the speaker of the early captions, and that particular box ended in saying something like "but the solitude is disturbed by two visitors to the clan cemetary this day". When Gladstone shrank the box they extended the lower panel, spreading the art. And the reason it caught my eye as looking very odd is that there was a section of foreground that was BLANK. I knew that I would NEVER leave a blank space without filling it with needless and irritating detail! The bit with the mention of the "13th century" followed by "1675" (and later by saying that it had been "200 years" since the Hound) -- that one stumps me! I guess the previous European translators had all corrected that error without pointing it out to anyone. I looked at my original script just now, and I see where I have "1475" erased and "1675" written in, and I failed to correct the "13th century" part. But how did I decide on one or the other? That answer is lost during the 3 years since I wrote that chapter. I checked Barks' story and, at a glance, I don't see any mention of year. Maybe I'll study this and figure out why I decided to change it to 1675... and we'll correct that for the future album reprint. Why use the American spelling of "labor". Hm. "Labor" and "labour" are pronounced exactly the same, if you thought otherwise. When I wrote the dialogue as a Scottish accent, it never occurred to me to spell the words in the British style. I guess I could have. "The Making of the Lo$" might spoil your fun, so just don't read it. I'm VERY glad I included those annotations in light of Barks' ongoing public, unsolicited, mysterious proclamations that my Lo$ does not agree with his version and that I am "reinventing" his characters when I'm clearly doing just the opposite -- I'm reCONFIRMING his history. "The Making of the Lo$" will prove this in each future issue of the series. JAMES WILLIAMS: You want the origins of Flintheart, Magica and the Beagle Boys? Part II will give you the origin of the Beagle Boys, and another future chapter will show U$'s first encounter with a young Flintheart (though he never learns his NAME, as he did not recall him when they meet in "The Second Richest Duck"). But as for Magica, since she is not as old as U$, she couldn't have met him until after the events in my Lo$ (pre-1947), and you can tell by reading her first appearance in "The Midas Touch" that that is the first time Magica and U$ had ever seen each other. (In "The Second Richest Duck", it can be inferred that Flintheart MIGHT recognize U$ from some previous encounter. He seems to be expecting U$ when he shows up at his door in South Africa.) From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl Tue Feb 8 09:32:20 1994 From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 1994 09:32:20 +0100 Subject: Lo$ 1 Message-ID: <199402080832.AA16587@athena.research.ptt.nl> Don: > The first page "prologue" was part of the original version which > your Oberon (or... what are its new initials?) decided not to use to > save space. GP ("Garbage Productions") must have skipped the page because their reprint of part 1 was not the first part anymore. > How did you happen to notice that that other panel had been enlarged. You give the answer to that yourself: > I knew that I would NEVER leave a blank > space without filling it with needless and irritating detail! I was comparing the USA version with the Dutch version for textual differences, when I noticed it. --Harry. From trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu Tue Feb 8 12:31:14 1994 From: trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu (Tryg Helseth) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 94 05:31:14 CST Subject: Don Rosa Olympic Story... Message-ID: <16942.trygve@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Mitchell Marmel: >Drexel University | Awards Committee, 1993 ^^^^^^ I didn't know there was a University by that name. In downtown Minneapolis there is an Apartment Hotel named the Drexel. Carl Barks apparently lived in that hotel when he drew for the Calgary Eye Opener. Local comic book fan, Dave Nruz, discovered that residence searching through some public records. I ran into Dave at a local comic shop, and he told me the room number but I didn't write it down. :( He said that Charles Shultz boyhood home was across the street from the Drexel (that house is now gone) and that Shultz was a young boy and living at that address when Carl was at the Drexel. It is possible they could have met. David Gerstein: > "I'm the Fuller Brush Man! I'm givin' g'way free semple!" > I like your new sig. Are you going to keep it for a while? Tryg Helseth Minneapolis, MN, USA or "I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" -The Beach Drakes From jonlo at ifi.uio.no Tue Feb 8 14:13:07 1994 From: jonlo at ifi.uio.no (Jon Cato Lorentzen) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 14:13:07 +0100 Subject: Olympics Story in Norway Message-ID: <19940208131307.28461.gyda.ifi.uio.no@ifi.uio.no> On the back of this weeks Norwegian Donald Duck & Co. it was proudly announced that next week (in perfect timing with the Olympics) a brand new Don Rosa story will be published. This will come in an extra comic with the regular comic (so I guess Sweden and Denmark won't get it). The cover of this extra issue is also by Rosa, NOT the one on the American issue. This one is of Donald skiing down the ski jump, with HDL right behind him with their first aid kit. Why wasn't this cover used in the States ? The next chapter of Lo$ was also announced to appear in four weeks. Jon C. Lorentzen From gadducci at DI.UniPi.IT Tue Feb 8 13:00:48 1994 From: gadducci at DI.UniPi.IT (Fabio Gadducci) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 15:00:48 +0300 Subject: Italian Index Message-ID: <9402081401.AA10133@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE> In my latest mail, I wrote >And about the Index: sorry to say, but no updated index exists!! There is >only an old version by Franco Fossati published in 1982 in issues 1 and 2 >of the magazine 'If'. It is quite interesting, since at the time Fossati >was the editor of Topolino and could look at original sources (paybooks, >etc.). He is not a good essayst, so that when no source was available he >tried to guess, with some poor results. Or when he indicated the wife of >Guido Martina, instead of Guido Martina himself, as the author of some >stories, only because the paycheck was paid to the wife for fiscal >reasons... >Anyway, it is an interesting source, and the only one, at the moment. >We planned (me, Luca Boschi and some other guy) to make a revised edition >of that index, but we do not find the time to write that down. >If some of you is interested, I could find those two issues for 30-40$, >more or less. I just phoned to Gianni Bono, former editor of If, and he told me he will bring the last copies of the magazine to the convention held next week in Prato. If some of you is interested, please let me know. It could be your last chance to get them!! :-) Bye for now, Fabio ================================================================ Fabio Gadducci Dip. di Informatica Home: +39-50-541725 Universita` di Pisa Off.: +39-50-887268 Corso Italia 40, 56100 PISA (ITALY) FAX: +39-50-887226 E-mail:gadducci at di.unipi.it ================================================================ From marmelmm at dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu Tue Feb 8 16:53:08 1994 From: marmelmm at dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu (M. Mitchell Marmel) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 10:53:08 -0500 Subject: Don Rosa Olympic Story... Message-ID: <199402081553.KAA06599@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu> >I didn't know there was a University by that name. In downtown Minneapolis >there is an Apartment Hotel named the Drexel. Probably the same family. The Drexels were (and are) bankers, real estate tycoons and the like.. >that Shultz was a young boy and living at that address when Carl was at the >Drexel. It is possible they could have met. Hum! THAT would be something to write about... >"I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" -The Beach Drakes :) ============================================================================= M. Mitchell Marmel | Co-Chaircritter, Alt.Tasteless Drexel University | Awards Committee, 1993 Department of Materials Engineering | *I CAN BE BOUGHT!* Fibrous Materials Research Laboratory | marmelmm at dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu ============================================================================ = From rshumper at missco02.med.osd.mil Tue Feb 8 17:18:39 1994 From: rshumper at missco02.med.osd.mil (Rhett Shumpert) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 94 11:18:39 EST Subject: removal from distribution Message-ID: <9402081618.AA06014@missco02.med.osd.mil> Please remove my name from the mail distribution list. Thank you very much. - dhs From CO341A11 at canisius.BITNET Tue Feb 8 19:48:40 1994 From: CO341A11 at canisius.BITNET (CO341A11@canisius.BITNET) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 1994 13:48:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: New subscription Message-ID: <01H8N8BP03BQA240SC@canisius.bitnet> Hi! i'm JP and i'm a HUGE disney fan and collector. please send me info here at this address: CO341A11 at ccmac.canisius.edu i can't wait to hear from you :> From gilbert at unix.campbellsvil.edu Tue Feb 8 20:45:44 1994 From: gilbert at unix.campbellsvil.edu (Gilbert Milburn) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 94 14:45:44 EST Subject: Bad New, to the world of Comics!... Message-ID: <9402081945.AA01339@unix.campbellsvil.edu> Hi All, I know this has *very* little to do with Disney-Comics, but I know that Don was a fan!... ---------------------------Forward-Message--------------------- From IANR012 at UNLVM.UNL.EDU Tue Feb 8 16:12:21 1994 From: IANR012 at UNLVM.UNL.EDU (Bill Hayes) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 10:12:21 CDT Subject: COMICS-L Advisory Message-ID: Comic book creator Jack Kirby, age 76, died on Sunday, Feb. 6, 1994. As the creator of so many wonderful comic book characters, he will be greatly missed. Bill... ---------------------------End-of-Message---------------------- ...I'm sorry if this post is not pertinent to this list however I knew that some of you would want to know this! Take Care, -Gil ********************* "I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us." ... -J. R. R. Tolkein Gil Milburn From hellman at proxxi.uf.se Mon Feb 7 13:33:00 1994 From: hellman at proxxi.uf.se (Bror Hellman) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 13:33:00 +0100 (MET) Subject: The Big Bad Jewish Wolf -- CASE CLOSED (Well, not ENTIRELY...) In-Reply-To: <9402070108.AA22908@bigbird.cc.williams.edu> Message-ID: > I like your idea... but who's game to try to talk the Museum > of Modern Art into parting with the single known French 1933 print of > "The Three Little Pigs"? What shall we do... threaten to huff and > puff and blow their museum in? ;-) It's a thought, but isn't the museum constructed by bricks? Well, I think that if a serious researcher made a proposal. And if it's possible to do the copying at the museum... If they *SHOULD* complain, you can always say (and then do it of course) that you're going to make a copy and give it to the Disney Archives. Well, perhaps you can even get the archives interested in a restoration. I presume THEY wouldn't have any difficulty getting a copy or getting it for a lone to copy. Steamboat Willie ---------------------------------------------- ... Does The Little Mermaid wear an algebra? ---------------------------------------------- Internet: hellman at proxxi.uf.se, DuckNet: hellman at 313:100/13.0 From d91fe at neptunus.pt.hk-r.se Tue Feb 8 23:19:17 1994 From: d91fe at neptunus.pt.hk-r.se (Fredrik Ekman) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 94 23:19:17 +0100 Subject: Bad New, to the world of Comics!... Message-ID: <9402082219.AA16568@neptunus.pt.hk-r.se> Gil wrote: > I know this has *very* little to do with Disney-Comics, but > I know that Don was a fan!... > [...] > Comic book creator Jack Kirby, age 76, died on Sunday, Feb. 6, 1994. > [...] I was never a Kirby fan, but it's very sad all the same. About the Disney connection, I seem to remember a discussion here a while ago that Kirby DID draw a few Disney strips. Can anyone confirm/deny this? If they are any good, that could be something for Gladstone to publish, as some sort of a tribute, eh, Gary? Gary? Gary! Yohoo! Where are you? /F From rivers at seismo.CSS.GOV Wed Feb 9 00:55:28 1994 From: rivers at seismo.CSS.GOV (Wilmer Rivers) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 94 18:55:28 EST Subject: carl Barks 1994 European tour Message-ID: <9402082355.AA21575@beno.CSS.GOV> I realize that most of the Europeans who make up half of the membership of this list do not ordinarily read "The Comics Buyers Guide", so I wish to let them know that they might want to make an effort to scan issue # 1057 of CBG, dated 18 February 1994, since it contains an itinerary of Carl Barks's European tour on May 30 - July 21. This is within a 6-page section devoted to a retrospective of Barks's career (and mainly to hyping the Grandeys' line of Barks collectables!). Most of the rest of the items will not be news to members of this list, such as the plans for a new Scrooge story involving a search for the Trojan horse. "To be published in the near future, Barks's new story will be drawn by one of his heirs apparent, William Van Horn. Barks favors the works of Daan Jippes and William Van Horn as Duck artists most portraying the Disney look and story, These artist/writers are not trying to reinvent who his characters are by the Barks definition. There was a lengthy history of his key character, Uncle Scrooge, published in European comics; Barks has made it clear he does not agree with this version." Most of the article (like that) is obviously straight from the Grandeys; in fact, of the 4 photos of Barks in the issue (including 1 with Barks next to Jack Hannah), the Grandeys themselves are in 2 of them! Wilmer Rivers "Work at each job as if it is the most important job in the world. Turn out a product you can be proud of even if you know the editor is so stupid he'll miss the wastebasket when he throws your script away." - CB From David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu Wed Feb 9 01:41:42 1994 From: David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu (David A Gerstein) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 1994 19:41:42 -0500 Subject: PropaGrandeya In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 09 Feb 1994 01:18:11 +0100 Message-ID: <9402090041.AA29078@bigbird.cc.williams.edu> Dear Folks, Wilmer Rivers quoted the CBG's Barks article: "Barks favors the works of Daan Jippes and William Van Horn as Duck artists most portraying the Disney look and story. These artist/writers are not trying to reinvent who his characters are by the Barks definition." I assume that this means 'changing the Barks definition of who the characters are' (as opposed to 'using the Barks definition to reinvent the characters', which doesn't make sense). "There was a lengthy history of his key character, Uncle Scrooge, published in European comics; Barks has made it clear he does not agree with this version." Following which Wilmer said: "Most of the article (like that) is obviously straight from the Grandeys." You ain't a-kidding. This is disgusting. Particularly when in that Dutch article Barks recently stated that he liked the work of Rosa with the exception of the extreme detail of the art. That's what Barks told ME in 1987 -- years before he even knew the Grandeys. I'm infuriated that Barks will allow himself to be misrepresented like this to earn a buck, but it's clear by now that he'll let the Grandeys do and say ANYTHING, because he wants to make money. (To do WHAT with????? At his age?) I know, Don, I know; you've told me all of this before... The put-down of the LO$ is the most unbelievable thing I've ever heard credited to Barks. Every danged detail in the LO$ is based on Barks, as any fool can plainly see from the "Making of LO$" article (and future ones, of course). Barks even acted as consultant -- that was BEFORE Gare's death, no? We can come to our own conclusions... David Gerstein "I'm the Fuller Brush Man! I'm givin' g'way free semple!" From trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu Wed Feb 9 02:49:41 1994 From: trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu (Tryg Helseth) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 94 19:49:41 CST Subject: Drexel's Class/ImPropaGrandeya Message-ID: <16729.trygve@maroon.tc.umn.edu> M. Mitchell Marmel re: The Drexel wrote: ======================================= >>that Shultz was a young boy and living at that address when Carl was at the >>Drexel. It is possible they could have met. >Hum! THAT would be something to write about... It does make you wonder. Could little Charles have been an inspiration for one of Barks characters? Perhaps a component in Huey, Dewey, and Louie? On the other hand, he could have inspired some of the annoying brats... :> David Gerstein/Wilmer Rivers re: the CBG's Barks article: ========================================================= > The put-down of the LO$ is the most unbelievable thing I've >ever heard credited to Barks. Every danged detail in the LO$ is based >on Barks, as any fool can plainly see from the "Making of LO$" article >(and future ones, of course). Barks even acted as consultant -- that >was BEFORE Gare's death, no? We can come to our own conclusions... I just read that article and was shocked to read the indirect slam of LO$. They were careful not to mention Don's name or the series title, but we all knew what they were referring to... This whole European tour with all the gallery visits and such is quite an ambitious promotion--it is as if they are trying to milk as much as they can out of Carl while they can. Tryg Helseth Minneapolis, MN, USA or "I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" -The Beach Drakes From 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM Wed Feb 9 05:01:33 1994 From: 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM (Don Rosa) Date: 08 Feb 94 23:01:33 EST Subject: Disney-comics digest #236. Message-ID: <940209040132_72260.2635_EHK48-2@CompuServe.COM> DAVID: I still say all Ducks should, and always have had white hair. Gladstone is a goose. (Actually, a goose/duck, according to my Family Tree and the fact that he is a cousin of Donald.) JON LORENTZEN: Gladstone actually used my Olympics story before any other publisher in the world -- this will very likely be the only time this will happen. Egmont gave Gladstone permission to use that story first which is normally against their policy so that the story could appear before the Olympics; Egmont's Duck comics are weekly, EIGHT to NINE TIMES more frequent than poor ol' Gladstone's. Gladstone wanted me to do a cover for their use, but I passed for 3 reasons: I preferred doing the cover to "The Money Well" issue of U$A, I didn't want to spoil the string of Talliaferro covers, and (mainly) I didn't like that story that much and didn't want to draw much attention to it as being the first of my stories to be used in a year or more. Later, NORWAY requested I do a special cover, they being the country that requested that story in the first place, and I have trouble refusing to do something for the Norwegian editor who has been so very nice to me. John Clark has also been nice to me, of course, but, well, it's different... From 73633.152 at CompuServe.COM Wed Feb 9 05:14:04 1994 From: 73633.152 at CompuServe.COM (Gary Leach) Date: 08 Feb 94 23:14:04 EST Subject: Disney-comics digest #236. Message-ID: <940209041404_73633.152_FHV114-1@CompuServe.COM> TO ALL: After a grueling two weeks trying to wrestle Mighty Morphin Power Rangers two falls out of three (which is where the time we would have spent on WDCiC is going, and far more profitably), I am back (ta da!). It seems everyone has said just about everything concerning Disney's latest shenanigans, so there's not much to add other than we believed (as we once knew, back in the original Gladstone days) we could launch a new Disney title without having to get clearance from Disney. We made the mistake of attempting this while one of our more reliable and levelheaded contacts at Disney was indisposed, and the temporary replacement saw we were doing a new title and panicked. The fragile bailiwick was shaken, so the cry went out to "Stop Gladstone! Stop Gladstone at any cost! Don't let them do anything we don't understand!" Or reactions to that effect. Guess the company's in a tizzy over EuroDisney or something. Anyway, it does appear we could have timed our move better (John had originally proposed only a special Donald Duck 60th anniversary one-shot, which is pretty much what it's going to be after all). Jack Kirby is dead...long live the King! In the next installment of Lo$, we're gonna color all of the ducks chartreuse! Completely! So get your copies early! Gad, I'm gettin' punchy again...all for now. GARY From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl Wed Feb 9 13:16:26 1994 From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 1994 13:16:26 +0100 Subject: Kirby (Bad News, to the world of Comics!...) Message-ID: <199402091216.AA25236@athena.research.ptt.nl> Gil Milburn (at last! I thought you were gone. Did you receive my mail, Gil?): > Comic book creator Jack Kirby, age 76, died on Sunday, Feb. 6, 1994. Fredrik: > About the Disney connection, I seem to remember a discussion here > a while ago that Kirby DID draw a few Disney strips. Can anyone > confirm/deny this? On 3 November 1993, I wrote: > Jack Kirby > ~~~~~~~~~~ > Mark asked why he is in the 'creators' file. Well, in fact, that > file also covers the creators in the "classics" index. The Classic stories > were newspaper stories, often reprinted in One Shots and other comics. > In 1980, Kirby did the pencils of "The Black Hole" (story Fallberg, > inks Royer). That's the only Kirby entry though. I typed in that 'classics' file from a photocopy of a newspaper strips index by Becattini. A lot of those newspaper sequels were reprinted in Holland. --Harry. From jonlo at ifi.uio.no Wed Feb 9 19:14:40 1994 From: jonlo at ifi.uio.no (Jon Cato Lorentzen) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 19:14:40 +0100 Subject: That Olympic story Message-ID: <19940209181440.13994.kolsaas.ifi.uio.no@ifi.uio.no> DON: Did you HAVE to draw this story, or did you do it from your own free will. It seems to me it collides with your general stories that are set in the 50s, since the Lillehammer games take place in the 90s, and I think Donald would be a little old in 94 (in his 70s or 80s ?) to compete in the events. Not to mention HDL who should be about 50 at this time. Jon C. Lorentzen From starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE Wed Feb 9 19:26:06 1994 From: starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Per Starback) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 94 19:26:06 +0100 Subject: carl Barks 1994 European tour In-Reply-To: Wilmer Rivers's message of Tue, 8 Feb 94 18:55:28 EST <9402082355.AA21575@beno.CSS.GOV> Message-ID: <9402091826.AA20673@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE> Too bad about the Don Rosa bashing in that CBG. What about the itinerary of the tour? Does it differ much from the one that was spread before (I cited it here), which evidently wasn't meant to be published? -- " Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se "Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!" From dicapuaf at giris7.pfizer.com Wed Feb 9 21:44:49 1994 From: dicapuaf at giris7.pfizer.com (Frank DiCapua) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 15:44:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: Lo$ Cover Message-ID: <9402092044.AA04374@giris7.pfizer.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text Size: 1633 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/19940209/5ba47c73/attachment.pl From trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu Thu Feb 10 01:31:08 1994 From: trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu (Tryg Helseth) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 94 18:31:08 CST Subject: carl Barks 1994 European tour Message-ID: <16729.trygve@maroon.tc.umn.edu> On Wed, 9 Feb 94 19:26:06 +0100, Per Starback wrote: >Too bad about the Don Rosa bashing in that CBG. Amen. >What about the itinerary of the tour? Does it differ much from the >one that was spread before (I cited it here), which evidently wasn't >meant to be published? Here is the published itenery: BARKS TOUR 1994 Monday, May 30 Arrive in Reykjavik, Iceland Friday, June 3 Arrive in Oslo, Norway Wednesday, June 8 Day off Thursday, June 9 Arrive in Copenhagen, Denmark Sunday, June 12 Attend gallery closing Monday, June 13 Day off Tuesday, June 14 Arrive in Helsinki, Finland Thursday, June 16 Attend gallery opening Friday, June 17 Arrive in Stockholm, Sweden Monday, June 20 Day off Tuesday, June 21 Arrive in Berlin, Germany Thursday, June 23 Day off Friday, June 24 Arrive in Paris, France Monday, June 27 Day off Tuesday, June 28 Arrive in Munich, Germany Wednesday, June 29 Attend gallery opening Friday, July 1 Day off Saturday, July 2 Stuttgart, Germany (flexible) Monday, July 4 To Verona, Italy (between Venice and Milan) Thursday, July 7 Venice, Italy Saturday, July 9 Day off Sunday, July 10 Milan, Italy Monday, July 11 Attend gallery opening Wednesday, July 13 Day off Thursday, July 14 To Zurich, Switzerland Sunday, July 17 Day off Monday, July 18 To Amsterdam, Holland Wednesday, July 20 Day off Thursday, July 21 Return to Oregon >"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!" I like your tagline! (Wish I had thougt of it first... :) ) Tryg Helseth Minneapolis, MN, USA or "I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" -The Beach Drakes From David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu Thu Feb 10 02:38:35 1994 From: David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu (David A Gerstein) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 1994 20:38:35 -0500 Subject: Disney Comics digest #237 In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 10 Feb 1994 01:18:12 +0100 Message-ID: <9402100138.AA01278@bigbird.cc.williams.edu> Dear Folks, A few things to comment on today. Gary Leach on WDCiC =================== "We believed (as we once knew, back in the original Gladstone days) we could launch a new Disney title without having to get clearance from Disney. We made the mistake of attempting this while one of our more reliable and levelheaded contacts at Disney was indisposed, and the temporary replacement saw we were doing a new title and panicked." Does this mean that in a few months, when the then-indisposed contact is back at work and things are as they once were, that you might try suggesting WDCiC again? *I'm* certainly for it. (And BTW Don, you asked why I revved up my juices on issues like this and not Disney's refusal to pay royalties or return art. The answer is simple... I know little of the legal technicalities regarding these issues, and while you state Disney is doing illegal things, I myself don't know exactly which United States laws are being broken, and while busy in college, I cannot spend time finding them out. If you care to give me some ammunition, I'll be GLAD to roll the presses on some folk songs of protest, as it were. You have my support on this, I just don't know WHAT to do...) Wrapping up a loose hair -- er, thread ====================================== "I still say all Ducks should, and always have had white hair." That's Don Rosa speaking. And I respond by asking, what color was Donaldo El Quacko's hair? (And don't tell me, "dyed".) Or the Ducks in Tralla La -- GOTCHA! The Cannibal Ducks in WDC&S 34 have black hair, too (although you'll no doubt argue that that story is MUCH too early to mean anything, and I'll answer that you're right). That Olympic story ================== John Lorentzen said, "[Don Rosa's story in DD 283] collides with your general stories that are set in the 50s, since the Lillehammer games take place in the 90s, and I think Donald would be a little old in 94 (in his 70s or 80s ?) to compete in the events." Actually, not ALL of Don's stories take place in the 1950s. Once in a long, long, time, he'll break his rules when a particular idea comes along -- like "The Duck Who Fell to Earth," which tries very hard to stay in the '50s but includes a TV weatherman making a report and pointing out an image from a satellite, something that couldn't have been in the '50s. But actually, Donald *did* look substantially older in "From Duckburg to Lillehammer." I actually wish to tell you, Don, that in the side views of all the Ducks in this story you made the *rear* parts of their bills far too short! This leaves a huge area of white neck exposed at the bottom of the head -- and since you draw the Ducks with short, thick necks anyway, Donald seemed far less svelte then usual (again, only in those side shots). You had a better side view of Donald's head in "On Stolen Time," in the scenes where Donald pretends to be frozen to decoy the Beagle Boys. "Not to mention HDL who should be about 50 at this time." Err... uh... Frank Dicapua on "Son of the Sun" ================================= "Speaking of Son of the Sun...Am I the only one who saw the resemblance between this book and the DuckTales 2 hour premiere? Granted, the stories are different enough, but a lot of the elements are similar. Do you think that the writers borrowed any of 'Son of the Sun' for their story?" "The Treasure of the Golden Suns" was made in 1986 -- there's a long time between the production of a cartoon and when it's actually finished. Since that was one of the few episodes of the series to use full animation in most scenes, it was probably in the works for even longer than most. What I mean to say is that the similarities between this cartoon and "Son of the Sun" are there, but couldn't be more than cooincidence. While we're on the topic of _DuckTales_, let me please make my view known on its depiction of Scrooge. Four times out of five, Scrooge was shown as too generous -- as Don often points out, that makes him a "counterfeit" Scrooge, not the real one. But there ARE occasional episodes wherein Scrooge is *right* in-character, fuming, sputtering, and being his miserly self. I draw your attention to the first section of "Golden Suns" -- particularly the bit where Scrooge stomps gloomily along a Duckburg street. He passes a woman outside a cheese shop giving samples. Without missing a step, he whacks the plate of samples upside the bottom with his cane and catches EVERY sample in his hat. Then, later on in his office, he tells HDL that after whatever they're doing for the nonce "we'll have a nutritious lunch of cheese." There are other good episodes as well. DT's adaptation of "The Lemming with the Locket" -- they chose to use the beginning of "The Pixilated Parrot" for it, however, so that the kids buy the LEMMING at the docks and bring it to Scrooge as a pet, after which the story is that of US 9 -- contains a very good rendition of Scrooge, acting much as he does in the original story. Unfortunately, DT's writers seem to have relied for inspiration character-wise mainly on the 1960s Barks stories. Mike Barrier notes how Scrooge changed in those stories -- "he was depicted more sympathetically, and lacked the passion for money that it would have taken to accumulate so much of it" (or words to that effect). That could well describe the DuckTales semi-Scrooge, for the most part... the REAL Scrooge -- or at least, the version that seems the most "Scroogish" to my eyes, and I believe, Don's, is that of roughly 1950-1958. The best Disney rendition of Scrooge, and of the Duck universe in general, is, believe it or not, a TV featurette called "Sport Goofy in Soccermania." OF COURSE Goofy doesn't belong in Barks' Duck universe (which the makers of the show were trying to recreate, given the use of a non-nerdy Gyro with his Helper, Grandma Duck, the Beagle Boys all identical, and other such touches). The show, from 1985, DOES make the unforgivable error of using Goofy because management had wanted a Goofy 1/2-hour. But we have Scrooge in his RED coat, being a stingy tightwad, going through Barksian histrionics and otherwise acting JUST like he should. This ONE film presents the finest animated Scrooge ever done, despite its unforgivable errors in other respects. That's all for today, folks. Fer gosh sakes, what a LOOONG message. (BTW Gary, the letter about MM stories for WDCiC is obviously irrelevant now... as you know, it was delayed. Anyway, John is planning exactly such things for next year after the Gottfredsons used in albums run out... or so he's told me.) David Gerstein "I'm the Fuller Brush Man! I'm givin' g'way free semple!" From gilbert at unix.campbellsvil.edu Thu Feb 10 05:27:11 1994 From: gilbert at unix.campbellsvil.edu (Gilbert Milburn) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 94 23:27:11 EST Subject: Kirby (Bad News, to the world of Comics!...) Message-ID: <9402100427.AA10957@unix.campbellsvil.edu> Greetings and Salutation Fellow Fans of Disney-Comics, In Disney-comics digest #237 Harry Fluks made the following comments in: > Subject: Kirby (Bad News, to the world of Comics!...) > Gil Milburn (at last! I thought you were gone. Did you receive my mail, > Gil?): Yes, I did (* THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR SENDING IT!! *). I'm truly sorry I've been so quiet lately, I've just had my hands SO FULL recently that I haven't had time to write! So I must apologize to you and to Per, for not returning your recent messages! Forgive me?... Now on to this: >> Comic book creator Jack Kirby, age 76, died on Sunday, Feb. 6, 1994. > > Fredrik: > >> About the Disney connection, I seem to remember a discussion here >> a while ago that Kirby DID draw a few Disney strips. Can anyone >> confirm/deny this? > > On 3 November 1993, I wrote: > >> Jack Kirby >> ~~~~~~~~~~ >> Mark asked why he is in the 'creators' file. Well, in fact, that >> file also covers the creators in the "classics" index. The Classic stories >> were newspaper stories, often reprinted in One Shots and other comics. >> In 1980, Kirby did the pencils of "The Black Hole" (story Fallberg, >> inks Royer). That's the only Kirby entry though. > > I typed in that 'classics' file from a photocopy of a newspaper strips > index by Becattini. A lot of those newspaper sequels were reprinted in > Holland. I had thought that Kirby had a *small* Disney connection, but since I wasn't exactly sure so I didn't bother to mention it! Thanks Harry, for setting us all straight! |D DON: Do you have any thoughts to add about the passing of Jack "The King" Kirby?? TTFN -Gil Gil Milburn "Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father; prepare to die!" From mas at cs.bu.edu Thu Feb 10 05:26:24 1994 From: mas at cs.bu.edu (Mark Semich) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 23:26:24 -0500 Subject: Splitting Hairs In-Reply-To: <940209040132_72260.2635_EHK48-2@CompuServe.COM> (message from Don Rosa on 08 Feb 94 23:01:33 EST) Message-ID: <199402100426.XAA20767@csa.bu.edu> >From: Don Rosa <72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM> > I still say all Ducks should, and always have had white hair. >Gladstone is a goose. (Actually, a goose/duck, according to my Family >Tree and the fact that he is a cousin of Donald.) Additionally, Gladstone *has white hair*! Sure, he's had brown from time to time, but those were early appearances and could easily be explained as the colorist messing up or as "Gladstone the Dandy" slicking his head. David Gerstein sez: > "I still say all Ducks should, and always have had white >hair." > > That's Don Rosa speaking. And I respond by asking, what color >was Donaldo El Quacko's hair? (And don't tell me, "dyed".) Or the >Ducks in Tralla La -- GOTCHA! The Cannibal Ducks in WDC&S 34 have >black hair, too (although you'll no doubt argue that that story is >MUCH too early to mean anything, and I'll answer that you're right). Well, the cannibal ducks were *black* ducks! Black ducks would have black on the tops of their heads, and white ducks would have *white* on the tops of their heads. They're *ducks*! They have *feathers*! (Although I guess that in some cases, they have *really long* feathers... :-) ) From 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM Thu Feb 10 06:40:35 1994 From: 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM (Don Rosa) Date: 10 Feb 94 00:40:35 EST Subject: Disney-comics digest #237. Message-ID: <940210054034_72260.2635_EHK52-1@CompuServe.COM> JON: Very good call. No, I wasn't "forced" to do that Olympics story, but it was requested, naturally, by the Norwegian editor who is one of the nicest people I've ever met and to whom I am greatly obliged for all his kindnesses during my visits. Yes, I really DIDN'T want to do the story since it would be a simple slapstick 10-pager and I didn't have any ideas for it -- it had to show Olympics events, which pretty much dictated slapstick hijinx and not much else. Furthermore, it forced me to set a story in 1994, whereas, as you say, MY stories take place in the mid-50s! In fact, in my first version, I never had the Ducks actually reach Norway, only compete for the right to "represent Duckburg" (which I still can't figure out -- what is Duckburg, a country or a city in America?), so I was figuring that the story was taking place in 1952 (the previous Norway Olympics. But then the editors decided (as they should) that I should show Lillehammer, so from then on I was cooked. It was an "imaginary story". I never really happened. That may be another reason its American publication was of little interest to me... I see it as a fictitious fiction. From lrn at daimi.aau.dk Thu Feb 10 15:09:19 1994 From: lrn at daimi.aau.dk (Lasse Reichstein Nielsen) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 15:09:19 MET Subject: From RoC Message-ID: <199402101409.AA05835@rennes.daimi.aau.dk> If you happen to walk the streets of London, England, you may enjoy a visit to a so-called "Disney Store" there. The address is: Regent Street 140, London W1. Apparently all sorts of Disney merchandise including pins, hats, movies, watches, towels, and school equipment can be purchased. Comics are not explicitly mentioned, but it's jolly worth a try. ("You...do *have* some cheese, don't you?" "Of course, sir. It's a cheese shop, sir. We've got--" :) From: Don --------- >TO ALL YOU EUROPEANS!: > In a recent Danish comic I saw an ad for an Uncle $crooge >wristwatch that looked like a pretty decent piece of goods. [...] >Can anyone find me some NICE European $crooge wristwatch??? Sorry. I don't recall any such offer, and a search of this years Dutch, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian an Finnish issues just revealed different clocks/watches with other Disney characters. (The Dutch looks like it's made from plastic and cardboard!) Could it have been a German comic? From: Fabio ----------- >>Fabio, could I somehow obtain your and Alberto Beccatini's (sp?) index? >Actually, Ferioli is not Italian! He is a Spanish author [...] Why, that's what I *meant* with the abbreviation 'sp.'! Of course, the questionmark should have been a full stop and the parenthesis should not have been after Becattini's name, which was also garbled DUE TO A TYPO! I blame it all on my text editor; after all, I'm *never* wrong! ;) >[...] >I can send you some more information, if you are interested. Btw, I do not >like any story from Comicup, even if I admit I never saw any of his >'signed' stories (no Comicup author got any acknowledgment, so I guess he >is working freelance) I never saw any of his *unsigned* works, but he got frequent credits during the brief period when such were printed in Denmark. So Ferioli is his real name, not a pseudonym? >[...] >And about the Index: sorry to say, but no updated index exists!! There is >only an old version by Franco Fossati published in 1982 in issues 1 and 2 >of the magazine 'If'. [...] >If some of you is interested, I could find those two issues for 30-40$, >more or less. You can sign me up, though it's a steep price. Am I supposed to haggle? ("No, no, no. It's not worth ten. You're supposed to argue: 'What? Ten for that, you must be mad!'" :) From: Harry ----------- >American artist Don Chips and Dutch writer Fred de Milton are rumored >to be the creative staff on 'Rebel Babies' from LucasComics. Ahem. "Who got 'Dinos vs. Stormtroopers' and the 'Indian Naz...'" Sorry: "What good do niece..." *Who* wrote this stupid script anyway? :) >Subject: a review and questions about US 285 (Lo$ 1) >[...] >The first page was not in the Dutch version, so I assume Don drew it >especially for Gladstone. (Am I right?) No, you are wrong. It was already in the Danish edition, which also had a special cover for chapter 1 and 2. Incidentally, Don also drew a cover for the Lillehammer story so far only used in Norway. Nice cover, that would have looked fine on the US edition. But I couldn't help noticing ...uh, I don't know how to put this... maybe Don made a small ( "A *pillow*! Have you gone completely mad?) error. Donald's ski seems to be overlapping the tip of one of HD&L's skis?! Also, I'm not sure if it has been mirrored: the line of motion is from right to left, which is unusual. Then again, Don's covers often require to be 'read', like a story from left to right, so it's probably right. BTW: do Gladstone have any new art done for them at all? I thought that Don was being paid by Egmont, even if they don't use his covers much. From mas at cs.bu.edu Thu Feb 10 15:40:48 1994 From: mas at cs.bu.edu (Mark Semich) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 09:40:48 -0500 Subject: From RoC In-Reply-To: <199402101409.AA05835@rennes.daimi.aau.dk> (message from Lasse Reichstein Nielsen on Thu, 10 Feb 94 15:09:19 MET) Message-ID: <199402101440.JAA25922@csa.bu.edu> >From: Lasse Reichstein Nielsen > >If you happen to walk the streets of London, England, you may enjoy >a visit to a so-called "Disney Store" there. The address is: >Regent Street 140, London W1. >Apparently all sorts of Disney merchandise including pins, hats, >movies, watches, towels, and school equipment can be purchased. >Comics are not explicitly mentioned, but it's jolly worth a try. If it's anything like the "Disney Store"s here in the U.S., they don't carry comics, they never *did* carry comics, and they look at you funny if you *ask* about comics. I hope this store is different, but I sincerely doubt it. I'd be more than willing to eat my words if I'm proven wrong, however.. :-) >("You...do *have* some cheese, don't you?" > "Of course, sir. It's a cheese shop, sir. We've got--" :) This probably applies all too well... From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl Thu Feb 10 17:00:05 1994 From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 17:00:05 +0100 Subject: London revisited, and other replies to RoC Message-ID: <199402101600.AA11611@athena.research.ptt.nl> RoC: > If you happen to walk the streets of London, England, you may enjoy > a visit to a so-called "Disney Store" there. The address is: > Regent Street 140, London W1. > Apparently all sorts of Disney merchandise including pins, hats, > movies, watches, towels, and school equipment can be purchased. > Comics are not explicitly mentioned, but it's jolly worth a try. I happened to visit that shop in London two weeks ago. The have NO comics. It's like the American "Disney Store" in Austin that I visited last year. Fabio: > Actually, Ferioli is not Italian! He is a Spanish author RoC: > Why, that's what I *meant* with the abbreviation 'sp.'! You can't explain why you said that you used "Italic" words at the end of your posts, like Morricone, Badalamenti, Ferioli.... RoC about Lo$ part 1: > It [page 1] was already in the Danish edition, which also had > a special cover for chapter 1 and 2. Is that cover in our index? (this is in fact a reminder for myself when I read it again in the next digest...) > BTW: do Gladstone have any new art done for them at all? I thought that > Don was being paid by Egmont, even if they don't use his covers much. Don does the *covers* for Gladstone, and gets paid by Gladstone for that. --Harry. From gadducci at DI.UniPi.IT Thu Feb 10 15:04:17 1994 From: gadducci at DI.UniPi.IT (Fabio Gadducci) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 17:04:17 +0300 Subject: From RoC Message-ID: <9402101604.AA04671@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE> Ole wrote >> >>If you happen to walk the streets of London, England, you may enjoy >>a visit to a so-called "Disney Store" there. The address is: >>Regent Street 140, London W1. >>Apparently all sorts of Disney merchandise including pins, hats, >>movies, watches, towels, and school equipment can be purchased. >>Comics are not explicitly mentioned, but it's jolly worth a try. and Mark replied >If it's anything like the "Disney Store"s here in the U.S., they don't >carry comics, they never *did* carry comics, and they look at you >funny if you *ask* about comics. I hope this store is different, but >I sincerely doubt it. I'd be more than willing to eat my words if I'm >proven wrong, however.. :-) Well, last time I was there (2 years ago) they carried NO comics at all. I do not remember how they looked at me when I asked about them: probably they were really surprised... :-) ================================================================ Fabio Gadducci Dip. di Informatica Home: +39-50-541725 Universita` di Pisa Off.: +39-50-887268 Corso Italia 40, 56100 PISA (ITALY) FAX: +39-50-887226 E-mail:gadducci at di.unipi.it ================================================================ From andresen at cs.man.ac.uk Thu Feb 10 17:20:33 1994 From: andresen at cs.man.ac.uk (M93) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 16:20:33 GMT Subject: From RoC Message-ID: <9402101620.AA00927@t3g.cs.man.ac.uk> Harry: > >RoC: >> If you happen to walk the streets of London, England, you may enjoy >> a visit to a so-called "Disney Store" there. The address is: >> Regent Street 140, London W1. >> Apparently all sorts of Disney merchandise including pins, hats, >> movies, watches, towels, and school equipment can be purchased. >> Comics are not explicitly mentioned, but it's jolly worth a try. > >I happened to visit that shop in London two weeks ago. The have NO comics. >It's like the American "Disney Store" in Austin that I visited last year. > ok, ok, nobody wants to know it... but: The Disney shop here in Manchester is the same shit as in London and maybe anywhere else in the world: Only clothes etc... NO COMICS! You see, money rules the world and what doesn't sell, how 'good' it may be, isn't worth a shit. Nikolaus. From gadducci at DI.UniPi.IT Thu Feb 10 17:58:38 1994 From: gadducci at DI.UniPi.IT (Fabio Gadducci) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 19:58:38 +0300 Subject: London revisited, and other replies to RoC Message-ID: <9402101859.AA12109@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE> >Fabio: >> Actually, Ferioli is not Italian! He is a Spanish author > >RoC: >> Why, that's what I *meant* with the abbreviation 'sp.'! > Harry: >You can't explain why you said that you used "Italic" words at the end of >your posts, like Morricone, Badalamenti, Ferioli.... > Well, his parents were Italian, I think... Fabio PS Now you are obviously in debt with me, Ole... :-) ================================================================ Fabio Gadducci Dip. di Informatica Home: +39-50-541725 Universita` di Pisa Off.: +39-50-887268 Corso Italia 40, 56100 PISA (ITALY) FAX: +39-50-887226 E-mail:gadducci at di.unipi.it ================================================================ From 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM Fri Feb 11 05:43:03 1994 From: 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM (Don Rosa) Date: 10 Feb 94 23:43:03 EST Subject: Disney-comics digest #238. Message-ID: <940211044302_72260.2635_EHK24-1@CompuServe.COM> GIL: That was the second time you asked me for a comment about the death of Jack Kirby. Apparently, at some time in the past, I made a comment someplace that lead you to believe that I was a particular fan of Jack Kirby. I don't think that's the case. I like Kirby's stuff of the 50s & 60s, but no later. I recognize his being most responsible for creating Marvel Comics as the industry leader, but I've never prefered Marvel comics. I recognize him as being the root inspiration for probably everything about modern American super-hero comics, even what they've become today at the hands of many kids who don't really know who Kirby is/was... but that's not something that everyone would consider a great contribution to history. So, I like old Kirby comics mighty fine... but no more than I like many other comic writers or artists. Frankly, his style super-heroes just weren't my cuppa tea. ROC: That Olympic cover was sortuva rush job, though that's no excuse for any errors in it. I am usually very sensitive to the "direction" of the action; f'rinstance, in a story, if $crooge is penetrating a tractless jungle, he must be traveling to the right -- when he returns, it should be right to left. But I dunno why I didn't let the action on that cover be left to right, leading "towards" the issue's interior. Was I in a hurry? Anyway, the editors always have the oportunity to "flip" the art, as they did with the "Return to Xanadu" cover a few years back. As to the overlapping skis, I DO recall that problem: I drew the characters first, then found the problem of fitting their long skis in between the short distance between DD & HDL. At one point, I almost decided the only answer was to put them all on ONE pair of skis... but then why would DD be looking back with surprise? So I finally decided to just squeeze them in there as best I could and hope no one would notice how jammed up they were. DISNEY STORES AND COMICS: We've discussed this before. There are two main reasons why Disney Stores do not carry comics. First off, comics are periodicals and would need to be provided by either the local news distributor or an independant national comic distributor like Diamond. In the first case, if the store took Disney Comics, it would be required to also take Marvel and DC and Image, etc., comics, as well as TIME and NEWSWEEK and EVERYTHING ELSE on the average super-market newsstand; they won't just give them Disney comics. In the second case, taking just Disney comics from a national distributor would require far, FAR more busywork, week in and week out, than a Disney Store would have the vaguest interest in undertaking. What a headache for what is basically a t-shirt/cheap-toy store! The second reason why Disney Stores would not carry Disney Comics is the clientele of the Disney Stores. I really don't think these are people with an interest in READING. Y'knowhutahmean? From Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se Fri Feb 11 10:31:49 1994 From: Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se (Mattias Hallin) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 1994 10:31:49 +0100 Subject: The Prowling Lurker Message-ID: <01H8R8LDCNCK9FMTJT@castor.ldc.lu.se> HIYA, ONE'N'ALL: I just thought I ought to tell you the reason I've been a might taciturn of late -- It's grind, grind, grind here at the ol' millstone races, and likely to continue that way for a week or two more; but BEWARE, all and sundry: I'm still lurking out there on the ether, reading every word you write, and suddenly I just might POUNCE!!! And a spot of good news (I think!) -- they're gonna give my my job on a steady basis ("tillsvidaref|rordnande", no less!), so it looks as if I'll get to keep my access to the list. (Why is there no cheering? I think I could deserve some, at least) Hmm... Mattias From Jerry_Greenberg at pop.com Fri Feb 11 20:44:37 1994 From: Jerry_Greenberg at pop.com (Jerry Greenberg) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 94 11:44:37 PST Subject: Unsubscribe Message-ID: <00033C27.Internet.FirstClass@pop.com> Please remove me from the list please. Jerry_Greenberg at pop.com -- Message sent via DigitalPopcorn * Los Angeles From revry at tjhsst.vak12ed.edu Sat Feb 12 14:24:26 1994 From: revry at tjhsst.vak12ed.edu (Ronald A. Evry (Ronald)) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 94 8:24:26 EST Subject: Disney-comics digest #239. In-Reply-To: <9402120025.AA29727@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE>; from "disney-comics@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE" at Feb 12, 94 1:25 am Message-ID: <9402121324.AA07727@tjhsst.vak12ed.edu> Regarding handling of Disney Comics at Disney stores -- Perhaps they could take a tip from the Warner Bros. stores, which do not sell DC Comics, but do sell Comic Anthologies and Trade PB's -- Certainly the Disney stores could order the beautiful Barks anthology books from Gladstone -- There is no "shelf-life" to those books and they would certainly be an attractive addition to the store. Being shrink-wrapped, people wouldn't loiter in the syore reading them, and they would bring wider exposure to what Gladstone is doing with the reprint books. Ron From 73633.152 at CompuServe.COM Sat Feb 12 20:22:47 1994 From: 73633.152 at CompuServe.COM (Gary Leach) Date: 12 Feb 94 14:22:47 EST Subject: Disney-comics digest #239. Message-ID: <940212192247_73633.152_FHV51-1@CompuServe.COM> DON: A slight cavaet to your remarks on why the Disney Stores don't carry Disney comics (either ours or the late-lamented theirs). The fact is, they can order only Disney comics from Diamond, Capital, Heroes World, what have you, so long as they put in a minimum order for each Disney title they would desire to carry. No distributor requires that dealers in comics, if they order one title from one company, must also order titles from other companies-if that was so, there would be no more comics retail industry because they all would have gone hopelessly broke years ago. And today, more than ever, retailers are becoming selective, so the Disney Stores would be right in there ordering what the distributors would confidently know they would order and be happy to provide. This, of course, has no direct bearing on the basic problem you stated: the stores just won't fool with it, partly because comics are periodicals, partly because comics require attention that t-shirts and pencil erasers do not, and because they ask customers to consider the concept of READING. In short...TOO MUCH TROUBLE! ALL: Comics get no respect in the USA. People who think that is changing to any significant degree are only fooling themselves, I'm afraid. Even TV, which has tapped the vein of comics more often of late, still treat them as cartoons, whether animated or live action. Nothing has or is going to change the fact that, to the general public, long-underwear heroes and talking mice are just plain silly, nevermind that what they do take seriously-soap operas, docudramas, local news-wallow in some of the most egregious nonsense imaginable. Comics have been defined as kid's stuff, and there is no will or inclination on the part of the general public to embrace a new definition. TOO MUCH TROUBLE! Since the WDCiC fiasco, I've been considering the outlandish notion that somehow, someway, Disney-the corporation-could be tried in court and found incompetent to administer the affairs of the corporation. At the very least it could be established that they possess no competence in the market area of comics and therefore such administration should be awarded to the various comic book licensees worldwide. Pipe dream as that is, it does make me wonder if someday a large group of stockholders might notice that Disney management is not handling certain of Disney's affairs at all properly and call them on the carpet for such bonehead moves as not allowing licensees to produce products that will pay royalties to the corporation. If I was a stockholder, that would certainly leave me somewhat perlexed. "How come you don't want to earn any money for me, guys? Hmmm...?" From BAUERLE at THING1.ERIE.GE.COM Sun Feb 13 00:48:59 1994 From: BAUERLE at THING1.ERIE.GE.COM (Ron Bauerle) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 1994 18:48:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: More Duck Hair Message-ID: <940212184859.20208ee8@THING1.ERIE.GE.COM> I hope I'm not revealing any cluelessness here, but one more comment on whether or not the Ducks should have hair: What about that wig or whatever that Gyro Gearloose wears under his hat? RDB From 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM Sun Feb 13 05:36:34 1994 From: 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM (Don Rosa) Date: 12 Feb 94 23:36:34 EST Subject: Disney-comics digest #240. Message-ID: <940213043633_72260.2635_EHK33-1@CompuServe.COM> GARY: I think that, in my comments about Disney Stores and comics, I was saying that a LOCAL distributor would never allow a store to order only Disney comics, or only comics, or anything less than EVERYTHING if they were a customer... and that the store COULD order whatever it wanted from Diamond since that's a totally different concept: with a local distributor the store would be becoming a sortuva licensed outlet for ALL periodicals -- with Diamond, the store would be BUYING the product so could buy whatever it wished. And, as you say, the very thought that a Disney Store would go to any such trouble is laughable considering the profit and ease there is in selling T-shirts and Ariel dolls to the moron masses. Another thing I'm delighted to see another human in this country besides me realize is that American comics as a mass market item is forever and irreversably DEAD. The American super-hero writers and artists are all making skads of money and getting loads of attention... but they naturally want to think that the future of the industry is rosey and that everyone respects and loves and KNOWS them as much as the kiddies at the comic conventions. But their livlihoods are based on extremely small sales in the highly profitable direct market, and have as a cornerstone a sort of comic genre that no intelligent grown up (and few intelligent children) sees as anything less than utterly silly. All the American comic writers and artists have this pipe dream, as you say, that they are gaining respect and sales, which is not the case. And I don't think there is ANYTHING which can change this. No matter HOW good the material suddenly became in American comics, it is still doomed as a mass medium because it has two things working against it that CANNOT change: the American perception of comics as kid stuff... and the fact that comics require READING. Of course, the success of Disney comics in America has a third dooming force pulling them down: DISNEY EXECUTIVES. RON: Yes, isn't that a WIG Gyro is wearing? It's clear that there's a STRAP of some sort around his bird-chin... and that strap seems to lead not to his HAT but to his HAIR. Has anyone ever wondered about that strap? Actually, what IS Gyro? I always thought he was a sorta cockatoo-stork judging by his beak, his intelligence and his lankiness. Even though he doesn't have a chicken-beak, I understand most people have always thought of him as a chicken. But if he IS a chicken, that would explain that tuft of reddish hair -- I'd need to check the encyclopedia for the name, but there is a species of chicken with a tuft of fuzzy reddish hair on its head (and no strap). From rreeves at acs.bu.edu Sun Feb 13 19:38:55 1994 From: rreeves at acs.bu.edu (Robert Reeves) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 94 13:38:55 EST Subject: comics at Disney Stores Message-ID: <9402131838.AA30293@acs3.bu.edu> As Ronald A. Evry pointed out, books and anthologies could do quite well at your local Disney Store. Granted I usually see more T-shirts go out the door than books, but does anyone remember that Disney _did_ offer their comic books one time? I can't say anything about any other store than the one here in Boston, but I remember right after Disney (ahem) took over from Gladstone publishing duties, there was available for purchase a boxed set of the 1st 'Disney' books. I can't remember the price (it was high!) as I already had the books I wanted from the local comic shop, but thought I'd add (?) something to the discussion.... Robert (snowbound in Boston) From HATHAWAY at stsci.edu Sun Feb 13 23:04:18 1994 From: HATHAWAY at stsci.edu (HATHAWAY@stsci.edu) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 1994 17:04:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: Reading is Dead? Message-ID: <01H8UCGIVYMQCCKH06@avion.stsci.edu> Don certainly has a point about selling stuff that involves READING being a losing proposition. We all despair of the illiteracy of every American but ourselves. However, by that same token the recent massive popularity of the Internet itself should be impossible. After all, most all the messages posted and sent around and around all involve READING, not to mention writing (well, keyboard pushing mostly). I wonder if the distinction is that a lot of access to this medium does not involve a direct sale of a tangible item, such as goes on in Disney stores and such money-generating schemes. Still, the thousand or so newsgroups available right here is some indication that many Americans _do_ know how to read. (A ghastly amount of noise at times ...). Whether they will _pay_ for the privilege is another matter. And whether the Mousemeisters will ever respect American intelligence does seem quite unlikely. QQQQQUUUUUUAAAAAAAAACCCCKKKK!!!!! (Sorry, I needed that.) Wm. Hathaway P.S. (BTW, myself, I never read Fiction. The affairs of D. Duck and the clan are as real to me as Bart Simpson and Rocket J. Squirrel - probably more so. While Mr. Rosa and others undoubtedly work very hard to bring their adventures to us, I don't consider that they are making anything up - rather they are doing us the esteemed service of transcribing the actual lives of the feathered fellows so we can share in their trials and triumphs so as to advance ourselves and bring about a better world where someday bills and webbed feat can be displayed proudly in public and where 'fair and square' defeats the greedy forces of that corporation which claims to 'own' their free spirits.) (Hey, call me a dreamer - but how many would have thought that one day the word 'Hubble' would be praised and not snickered at? Nine years at this place and I never thought of giving up.) From David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu Mon Feb 14 01:44:16 1994 From: David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu (David A Gerstein) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 1994 19:44:16 -0500 Subject: Gyro is a CHICKEN, I tell ya! A GIANT CHICKEN! In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 14 Feb 1994 01:18:07 +0100 Message-ID: <9402140044.AA26357@bigbird.cc.williams.edu> Dear Folks, Don Rosa said, "Yes, isn't that a WIG Gyro is wearing? It's clear that there's a STRAP of some sort around his bird-chin... and that strap seems to lead not to his HAT but to his HAIR. Has anyone ever wondered about that strap?" There is definitely ONE Barks story wherein Gyro is surprised, or shocked, or something, and his entire WIG flies up revealing his bald head underneath. But I always thought that was an exaggeration like having Donald's pupils leave his eyes at the sight of the shrunken Cornelius Cobb in "Voodoo Hoodoo". The way to tell is for someone to look at that story about Gyro learning to swim. He is without his hat for most of it, I recall, but I can't remember if that strap is still there or not. If it is, we'll know Gyro definitely wears a wig. Sorry I *can't* do the looking myself -- but I only have one of my six CBLGG albums here at school with me, and it's the wrong one for this debate. BTW, if the strap went to his hat from his chin, as I believe it does, it would be covered by his frizzy hair, or at least buried in it. Either that or it would pull back the area of hair it crossed, leaving Gyro looking rather odd. That's why I think it isn't drawn. But find that swimming story -- you know, "I'll use fins and an inner tube and water wings, and phooey on what the neighbors think!" -- and prove me wrong, folks! Don again: "Actually, what IS Gyro? I always thought he was a sorta cockatoo-stork judging by his beak, his intelligence and his lankiness. Even though he doesn't have a chicken-beak, I understand most people have always thought of him as a chicken." Hey, he HAS a chicken-beak! Barks himself frequently refers to him as one, which clinches it. "He was a tall, gawky *chicken*, twice as tall as the Ducks" -- there we go. I do notice that he's pretty big for a chicken -- look at the Barks Daisy Double Date story, and look at Clara Cluck and her rooster boyfriend (whose name I've forgotten). Those chickens are the same size as the Ducks, but portlier... Gyro's a *giant* chicken! But there are giant Ducks too -- though most Ducks Barks draws are DD/U$ size, some are the size of the dogfaces in the stories, and of Gyro. In any event, in the US, Gyro is a chicken. I know that at least one other country's comic lettercol pegged him as a crane, although I don't know which country (I heard it here). And one old Whitman story by Kay Wright (well, drawn by him) called him a goose, which is like calling an apple a piano. Gyro a *goose*? Damned if he looks like a goose! For now, the back covers of the CBLGG series, calling him "Barks' cerebral chicken," will stand. Yours, David Gerstein P. S. The title of this article sounded unusually desperate, but in fact was a Warner-Bros. cartoon reference. Anyone here get it? From torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Mon Feb 14 02:04:33 1994 From: torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 1994 19:04:33 -0600 (CST) Subject: WDU$ #285 : TLaTo$M : Part One Message-ID: Not much of a story, but a good start. The detail of the castle is incredible, and the sight gags (I.3.8, I.11.3, I.11.5) are not intrusive. Now, did we ever clear up the question of the hair coloring? Did Fergus' hair actually turn from brown to white during the course of the story, or is that just a coloring mistake? And why does U$' mother's eyes not reach her bill? Is Hortense's "glxblt" taken from the comicstrip "Pogo"? My guess as to DD's mother is Hortense, considering Fergus' comment (I.15.4). Don, did you create the McDuck coat of arms, or did you find that someplace as well? (For those of you unfamiliar with my notation, I have borrowed the system used for the Watchmen Annotations found elsewhere on the Internet. The first Roman numeral refers to the story part or chapter. The second numeral refers to the page, and the third numeral refers to the panel, starting from the upper left-hand corner, and proceeding left to right, top to bottom. Thus, the final panel of part one would be noted as I.15.6 .) One suggestion... I realize that Gladstone will probably produce two albums collecting TLaTo$M. I would like to suggest that Gladstone publish a special, hardcover, limited edition containing: all 211 or so pages (some would probably be edited to smooth the story transitions) Don Rosa's annotations (and maybe others as well) Don Rosa's notebook, showing some rough layouts, the family tree, and anything else Don might allow to see print. Don's version of the McDuck family tree. A map of U$ travels (this might become a bit difficult--maybe just limit it to Glasgow to Duckburg) Make it slipcased, with a nice embossed cover, gild the foreedge, and I'll buy ten of them! Would anyone care to compile annotations for TLaTo$M ? Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA (via NZ) From AREID at MARY.FORDHAM.EDU Mon Feb 14 03:20:33 1994 From: AREID at MARY.FORDHAM.EDU (Darin Reid) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 1994 21:20:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: The Ftp Site/CBL Message-ID: <761192433.774273.AREID@MARY.FORDHAM.EDU> I haven't ftp'd the Disney site in a long time, what the heck is it? Is there an Index of stories contained in the Carl Barks Library (the three volume sets, not the albums) at the ftp site? -Darin -- Bitnet : Areid at Fordmulc Unix/AIX: Reid at Dsm.Fordham.Edu Vax/VMS : Areid at Mary.Fordham.Edu Freenet : Bz809 at Cleveland.Freenet.Edu From trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu Mon Feb 14 03:51:19 1994 From: trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu (Tryg Helseth) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 94 20:51:19 CST Subject: Not another Chicken Joke! Message-ID: <16693.trygve@maroon.tc.umn.edu> RON, DON, and DAVID: All this talk about my personal role model, Gyro, sent me digging back in the archives to defend the hair raising questions about the Gearloose mop- top. On David's suggestion, I looked up the untitled story from Uncle Scrooge #23 about Gyro's new swimming pool. Yes! Gyro has his hair with no hat or strap. It's either real hair or held on by a powerful adhesive. (Super Glue hadn't been invented yet, but surely Gyro could have whipped something up...) Another interesting find is Gyro's appearance in WDC&S #141, the Think Box story. In this episode, the straps go all the way to Gyro's hat; he must have had his hair slicked down so they couldn't go through the hair as they do in other stories... :) I was trying to locate yet another story where Gyro appears without a hat; there was one I remember where Gyro was quite a bit heavier and I don't think he had a hat. As I recall, it was a brief appearance in a US or DD story--probably in DD. Anyone remember this pre-Jenny Craig Gyro? Now, is he a Chicken or not? I'll vote for an albino magpie! "You can never build a machine so smart there won't be some jerk too dumb to run it!" -Gyro Gearloose Tryg Helseth Minneapolis, MN, USA or "I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" -The Beach Drakes From ajd105 at rsphy1.anu.edu.au Mon Feb 14 04:58:17 1994 From: ajd105 at rsphy1.anu.edu.au (ajd105) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 14:58:17 +1100 (EST) Subject: hello all Message-ID: <9402140358.AA08480@rsphysse.anu.edu.au> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text Size: 1926 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/19940214/648c94b2/attachment.pl From ajd105 at rsphy1.anu.edu.au Mon Feb 14 05:06:49 1994 From: ajd105 at rsphy1.anu.edu.au (ajd105) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 15:06:49 +1100 (EST) Subject: addendum Message-ID: <9402140406.AA08545@rsphysse.anu.edu.au> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text Size: 204 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/19940214/ee538b54/attachment.pl From rivers at seismo.CSS.GOV Mon Feb 14 05:29:14 1994 From: rivers at seismo.CSS.GOV (Wilmer Rivers) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 94 23:29:14 EST Subject: Gyro is a CHICKEN, I tell ya! A GIANT CHICKEN! Message-ID: <9402140429.AA23263@beno.CSS.GOV> Foghorn Leghorn to the chicken hawk? Wilmer Rivers From pomarejm at sun.aitc.rest.tasc.com Mon Feb 14 05:41:11 1994 From: pomarejm at sun.aitc.rest.tasc.com (Jean-Michel Pomarede) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 94 23:41:11 -0500 Subject: Mailing list Message-ID: <9402140441.AA27393@sun.aitc.rest.tasc.com > Dear Mr. Disney person, I would like to contribute to your ongoing conversation about Gyro's nature, but I do not know if I can send any mail to anyone else. My name is David Pomarede, and you can contact me at: jlpomarede at sun.aitc.rest.tasc.com Thank you for your time. David Pomarede The Crimson Coluprid From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl Mon Feb 14 09:59:09 1994 From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 09:59:09 +0100 Subject: Gyro is a CHICKEN (?) Message-ID: <199402140859.AA23820@athena.research.ptt.nl> David about Gyro: > Hey, he HAS a chicken-beak! Barks himself frequently > refers to him as one, which clinches it. What Barks says outside his comics, doesn't count. 8-) > In any event, in the US, Gyro is a chicken. I know that at > least one other country's comic lettercol pegged him as a crane, > although I don't know which country (I heard it here). You must mean my message. That "one other country" is Holland. But I think the answer of the publisher nowadays is "Gyro is just a weird bird". --Harry (First, Grandma is not Donald's mother, and now, Gyro is a chicken? You are right of course, but I have to redefine my view on the Duckburg world...) From Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se Mon Feb 14 14:50:45 1994 From: Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se (Mattias Hallin) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 14:50:45 +0100 Subject: David's Chicken Quote Message-ID: <01H8VOFACYPGA0UD7D@castor.ldc.lu.se> No... ...I don't think that that was Foghorn Leghorn; to me it sounded more like Henry Hawk (I think he's called) -- the young hawk living with his father and trying so hard to catchhimself a chicken... Or am I wrong here? I can'trecall (If I'm at all correct) whom he mistakes for "a giant CHICKEN"; but it's probably Daffy or Bugs or someone similar Hmm? Mattias From 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM Mon Feb 14 15:30:17 1994 From: 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM (Don Rosa) Date: 14 Feb 94 09:30:17 EST Subject: Disney-comics digest #241. Message-ID: <940214143016_72260.2635_EHK21-3@CompuServe.COM> ROB REEVES: Yes, that boxed set of comics WAS available at Disney Stores, but surely you realize the VAST difference in that item and in selling actual comics for reading! That high-priced phony-collectible was designed to be sold to the typical American "collectibles-lout"... it was NOT to be opened - the comics were sealed in plastic which the buyer (in that collectible-lout system) KNEW he was NOT to open and (horrors) READ the material. And this repackaging of the comics removed them from the category of a periodical publication which would need resupplying and reordering and LOTS of paper work and effort on the store's part; that boxed set of comics was exactly like the T-shirts and cuddly Ariel dolls. Stocking it was easy, and buying it required no intellectual involvement whatsoever. WILLIAM HATHAWAY Just as reading in America is alive and well among a select group, using INTERNET (which involves reading) is also alive and well; but you do know that is AGAIN a very tiny, select, "elite" group of people. And if you're saying that all or even most computer users are well-read, it has always been quite a joke to me to read some of the messages posted by young computer-whiz kids, which seem to show that they have little or no command of the language, and obviously read as little as any other Americans. From pomarejm at sun.aitc.rest.tasc.com Mon Feb 14 15:47:01 1994 From: pomarejm at sun.aitc.rest.tasc.com (Jean-Michel Pomarede) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 94 09:47:01 -0500 Subject: Gyro Message-ID: <9402141448.AA28180@sun.aitc.rest.tasc.com > New David about Gyro, I know for sure that Gyro once said that "he had some poultry heritage", and I know that they must have been refering not to poultry in general, but to the baryard kind. He's either a goose or a rooster (if he's a rooster or a hen, now that's another story). He's a barnyard animal, and I don't think that his creators wanted to look as far as a crane. HE'S A GREAT BIG YELLAH' CHICKEN! Dave PS.(to Per Starback) thanks for sending me back the whole shabang. I did forgent to read it all, as I printed it out, for further reference, but then got cought up in something else. By the by, Jean-Michel Pomarede is my father, as I'm communicating through his adress.I'm sorry about the adress mix-up. From marmelmm at dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu Mon Feb 14 18:35:56 1994 From: marmelmm at dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu (M. Mitchell Marmel) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 12:35:56 -0500 Subject: Gyro is a CHICKEN, I tell ya! A GIANT CHICKEN! Message-ID: <199402141735.MAA16832@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu> > P. S. The title of this article sounded unusually desperate, >but in fact was a Warner-Bros. cartoon reference. Anyone here get it? "You wear a disguise/To look like human guys/But you're not a man/You're a chicken, Boo!" ~8> ============================================================================= M. Mitchell Marmel | Co-Chaircritter, Alt.Tasteless Drexel University | Awards Committee, 1993 Department of Materials Engineering | *I CAN BE BOUGHT!* Fibrous Materials Research Laboratory | marmelmm at dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu ============================================================================ = From clawton at TFS.COM Mon Feb 14 19:12:00 1994 From: clawton at TFS.COM (Chris Lawton) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 94 10:12 PST Subject: Disney-comics Message-ID: Hiya Gang! ABOUT DISNEY STORES AND COMICS As a frequent Disney Store patron AND a Disney Comics fan, I would love to see the Comics make it to the store. The Disney Store near my house in Pleasanton, CA does carry the Disney Adventures title but I have never bought a single issue, just browsed them. I once asked about them and I got a standard "We don't carry that mechandise here" speech. Oh well, It wasn't her fault... :) However, I don't believe that TDS is deserving of quite all the negative connotations that have been floating around here. I do like the store for what it is. And it is *not* a comic book shop. In fact, its about as far apart from a comic book shop that you can get. And comic book shops arn't Disney Stores either. I realize that Don and Other's in the comic book industry have had difficult times dealing with Disney but their stores have just about nothing to do with comics. On the other hand, if it were a comic book shop, and I got the we don't carry that, well, somebody would certainly get a letter from me! The point is, Disney is not in the comic book business (we saw that when they tried to be in it). LIFE OF SCROOGE PART 1 Hooray! :) I finally got to see what everybody is talking about. I really enjoyed it and am looking forward to the next issue. The interview in the end was very apporiate, in my opinion. It helps us non-super collecters and non-writers to have an idea of where the ideas are coming from. (Of course, for those of us on this list we get the real inside scoop.) See ya real soon, Chris Mickey's #1 Fan!! :) :) P.S. about some non comic stuff. The other night in the band I play in (a concert band where I play trombone) we played a song called "Valdres". Our conductor said "Valdres is to Norwegiens as Stars and Stripes Forever is to Americans". Is this true? Thanks. From pomarejm at sun.aitc.rest.tasc.com Mon Feb 14 23:04:51 1994 From: pomarejm at sun.aitc.rest.tasc.com (Jean-Michel Pomarede) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 94 17:04:51 -0500 Subject: In france, Gyro's a stork. Message-ID: <9402142206.AA00848@sun.aitc.rest.tasc.com > David Pomarede: Well, I decided to do my homework on the subject and search for any comics I could find. I'm half french (my dad's french, my mother from Tennessee), and some of my little cousins come to stay for the summer. Well, last summer they left some "Le Journal Mickey" and some "Picsou Magazine" (Picsou is Scrooge's french name) and I brouwsed the little books for any stories with Gyro in them. What I found were evidence of the french calling him a STORK! I dunno, maybe he's something other than a barn-yard animal. Please disregard my last contribution. Personally, I think albino magpie sounds cooler. By the by, what's the deal with his little lightbulb with legs? ===David=== From pomarejm at sun.aitc.rest.tasc.com Mon Feb 14 21:58:38 1994 From: pomarejm at sun.aitc.rest.tasc.com (Jean-Michel Pomarede) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 94 15:58:38 -0500 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <9402142059.AA00609@sun.aitc.rest.tasc.com > From trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu Tue Feb 15 04:27:28 1994 From: trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu (Tryg Helseth) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 94 21:27:28 CST Subject: More chicken jokes... Message-ID: <16711.trygve@maroon.tc.umn.edu> MATTIAS: > ...I don't think that that was Foghorn Leghorn; to me it sounded more like >Henry Hawk (I think he's called) -- the young hawk living with his father and Close... his actual name is Henery Hawk, and that would be my guess too... BTW, Mattias, I can never read your messages with my on-line editor, PINE. (I think that stands for Pain In Neck Editor.) When I try to display them, I get the message: [Part 1, Unknown text "ISO646-SE" 11 lines] [Can not display this part. Use the "A" command to save in a file] Anyhow, when I retrive the message on my PC using SLIP, it comes through just fine! Are there any unusual characters embedded in your message? There is one other person (don't remember who) whose messages do the same thing to PINE. Anyone else experience this? ANDREW DAVIS: Welcome to the mail list! >Of course Gyro is a chicken. If you had ever kept them, you would know >that the rattle brained way of behaving is spot on. Somehow >storks/cranes are a bit too serene for Gyro, and geese have an angry >streak that just doesn't fit the bill. [Sorry about the pun there.] Well, I raised chickens once. That is probably why I find it difficult to think of my role model, Gyro, as one. Many people mistake Gyro's eccentric behavior as "rattle brained." I think it is perfectly normal! :) As to what kind of critter is Gyro, it is good thing that so far we have agreed that he is some kind of bird. If he were say, a lamb, he might end up in a Gyros sandwich! But then, he IS my hero! [My motto is to never apologize for puns.] Tryg Helseth Minneapolis, MN, USA or "I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" -The Beach Drakes From 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM Tue Feb 15 05:38:26 1994 From: 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM (Don Rosa) Date: 14 Feb 94 23:38:26 EST Subject: Disney-comics digest #242. Message-ID: <940215043826_72260.2635_EHK22-1@CompuServe.COM> re Gyro: I was being a bit facetious in even bringing up the question of what sort of critter Gyro is. I still think my idea as a child was most accurate in the sense that Gyro isn't ANYTHING... or as someone here just said, he's just "a weird bird". TORSTEN: Your comments combined with others in that Digest indicate a fact I've learned in the last 7 years of doing these Duck comics -- no matter what story I do, it will be some people's favorite, some people's least favorite, with everyone else somewhere in between. Already I've heard comments that the Lo$ #1 is one of my very best stories, as well as people who think it was not much of a story, just a string of facts. Myself, I agree sorta with that latter view, while at the same time I feel that it was EXACTLY what I was trying to do; given the list of facts I needed to cover in that chapter, and the progress I needed to make in $crooge's life and character, I'm QUITE pleased with that chapter, which is rare for me in regards to most of my own work. I will apologise to you and any others who didn't think that was much of a story... I'm afraid that you'll finf the REST of this series as being similar -- I have a list of facts to deal with, a specific era in $crooge's life and development to cover, and usually ONLY 15 PAGES to do it in. I have always thought that this whole series will only read well when it's printed in ONE volume. More on that in a sec. I called Gladstone (Susan D-L) and told her that I enjoyed and appreciated the excellent coloring job she did, but I asked if she might consider dropping $crooge's brown hair when she could. At the time I hadn't noticed that part about Fergus' hair turning white by the end of the story. Also I am grateful for the extra trouble they went to in having it lettered by Todd Klein, not one of their usual letterers, who did a really special job. $crooge's mother's eyes: just for variety, I gave her the "floating" style -- Barks often gave background Duck characters "floating" eyes. Besides, I'll be showing Matilda as having these sort of eyes through her life, and Ma is who she gets 'em from. But there's nothing unusual in those type eyes -- many Ducks and Geese and Coots have 'em. I wonder if that old Pogo baby was in the back of my head when I gave Hortense her "glxblt". If it's the same gurgle, that would be interesting. You won't see her again until 1885, and she'll be talking clearly by then. Actually, when you next see her, I'll have made a bit of an error in aging her a bit TOO fast -- in 1885 she'd be only 9 and she would look like $crooge does in this part 1, but I draw her older. I created that McDuck coat-of-arms, and I have RETHUNK it since then. If I ever draw it again, I won't show a field of coins (which tends to suggest the McDucks were RICH which they weren't); in the upper section I'll show a single coin falling and an open hand, and in the lower section will be a FIST -- that will suggest stinginess, not richness. If and when Gladstone compiles these stories into an album (at least 2 years from now) I suspect it will be in 2 or 2 softback albums. John once told me that he thinks albums that are priced at under $20 sell much better (that's why everything for sale in TV ads is $19.95), and that means it can't all be in one album. I'm sure they'll include the annotations, or maybe we'll expand on them somewhat. I don't know about John (Gladstone), but when they publish an album of these chapters in Norway, they've already requested to use the "lost scripts"... there are the equivalent of about 3 full stories that Byron Erickson rejected. I wouldn't mind people seeing these to see what stinker stories they might have been inflicted with if not for Byron's editing. A MAP of $crooge's travels might not be such a great idea. My intention with this series is NOT to tell the story of ALL $crooge's early adventures... just a superstructure which brings all of Barks' own facts about $crooge under one roof. Other writers or myself should always be able to add to that framework in the future -- I hope to sometimes fall back and do other "untold tales" of $crooge's life. What a WONDERFUL character he can be if a writer could tell a story from ANYWHERE in his history from ANY point in his development! Is there any other such character in fiction? (Oh, lots I guess. Horatio Hornblower. Conan. etc., whose adventures skipped around in their history.) ANDREW DAVIES: I'm glad you liked that cover to UNCLE $CROOGE ADVENTURES #5 -- it was MY favorite as well -- in fact, it was the ONLY one of my own covers that I liked so much that I kept it and I still carry it with me to conventions for show. But as for the COLORING -- the printers wouldn't cooperate with Gladstone when it came to coloring that cover, and you never saw it as I intended it. In fact, you've never seen the entire art for the cover -- in the background I had drawn an elaborate Aurora Boraelis which was supposed to mix with a dark, starry night at the top, with the sun rising behind $crooge and his whole body in dramatic backlighting; you can still see a trace of that backlighting in the way I did his coat, and perhaps in that weird blue smudge on his face which was a puzzling, halfhearted remnant of that complex original idea. So... how do you people like it when I jabber this much? Don't get me started!!! From bjorn-are.davidsen at s.televerket.tele.no Tue Feb 15 14:02:14 1994 From: bjorn-are.davidsen at s.televerket.tele.no (bjorn-are.davidsen@s.televerket.tele.no) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 14:02:14 +0100 Subject: Valdres and the Winter Olympics Message-ID: <"995 94/02/15 14:02*/G=bjorn-are/S=davidsen/OU=s/O=televerket/PRMD=tele/ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/"@MHS> After having lurked some months (I think since the Teddy Roosevelt discussion) I am back again with some information on Norwegian music and the Winter Olympic Sotry. It is a bit calmer on the job these two Olympic weeks... To Chris: About your non comic stuff: > The other night in the band I play in (a concert >band where I play trombone) we played a song >called "Valdres". Our Conductor said "Valdres is to >Norwegians as Stars and Stripes Forever is to >Americans". Is this true. I think your conductor does have a point, but he does exaggerate a bit. "The Valdres March" (in Norwegian "Valdresmarsjen") is a "song" (no lyrics though) based on traditional Norwegian folk music (from Valdres), and it is popular. But it can in no way be considered in the same vein as Stars and Stripes in the US. I don't think ANY Norwegian song really can that (although Grieg's "In The Hall of The Mountain King" does touch some deep emotions, perhaps from or Viking (or Troll?) heritage). To Don: Last week the Norwegian Newspaper "V}rt Land" (the "}" is the last letter in the Norwegian alphabet and pronouced like the "a" in "fall", but will NOT get through in the correct way to the digest) carried an article on "The Olympic spirit without the Olympic Duck?". The headline is a pun based om the word for duck which in Norway is "and" and the word for spirit which is "}nd" (the same letter "}" as mentioned above). In this aritcle the journalist Kjetil Hanssen tells us (after a short summary of the story) that "The artist Don Rosa has become very popular among Donald-loving Norwegians. Next week Rosa pays back by giving us a special story about the furious Duck's struggle to get to Lillehammer." Then more summary of the story before we get some interesting information: "Don Rosa visited Norway last summer, and has done a thorough research. The drawings he got from LOOC (Lillehammer Olympic Organisation Comitee) did among other things show a glass wall in front of the Olympic Fire at the Lysg}rdsbakken Ski Jump. However, this wall was taken out of the plans later. Don Rosa shows us how it might have looked like." Incidentially, the Opening Ceremony (as some of you may have seen on television) did feature a ski jumper with the Olympic Torch (no ducks or rockets though). Bjorn Are Davidsen P.S. I love lurking - even in book stores and Disney Shops (I was present when the Shop in Regent Street in London formally was opened some years ago - but may be back with more writings in less than three months this time (b.t.w. has the reaction in some Norwegian anti-racist circles to Gottfredsson's "Thursday" story (republished in Norway last month) been discussed in the Digest? I was off the list for technical reasons at the time in January and don't know if anyone mentioned it.) From Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se Tue Feb 15 14:50:13 1994 From: Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se (Mattias Hallin) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 14:50:13 +0100 Subject: Dis'n'dat Message-ID: <01H8X35PS0Z8A0UE3T@castor.ldc.lu.se> TRYG: Yep -- thass right; it's Henery Hawk! I have at least one cartoon featuring him; possibly even the one that David referred to. Hey, David! Time to 'fess up: what cartoon/which character didja have in mind? Also, Tryg, if my postings are deifficult to read, it is probably due to how I write'em: on a glorified-typewriter kind of texteditor on a VAX/VMS terminal with no fringies like mouse, windows or desktop -- just command-words of the "go-to" variety; and also the keyboard settings might play tricks -- I obviously use a Swedish alphabet setting. DON: Go on -- write as long postings as you like too; they're always good reading, being well-written, funny, well-versed, opinionated and from a friend. No need to stay short, 'lessen ya wanna. And speaking of reading -- not that I think you're necessarilly wrong; but huccome reading is such a little cared for pastime in America? I mean, out of a pop. of approx 250 MILLION, there ought to be quite a few literati -- even considering your statistically high rates of semi- or total analphabetism. Here in Sweden, as you know, the problem has never been to get kids (or adults) to read comics -- but that in intellectual circles, reading comics haven't actually counted as really reading at all! There are PICTURES with the words!!! That this is a completely off-the-mark concept has never bothered that particular brand of nit-wits, who wouldn't know the first thing about what is good comics or bad, and how comics rely on the INTERPLAY of word and picture, and is in it's own way a perfectly complex and if so desired complicated reading matter. Oh, well... BJORN-ARE: No, we haven't discussed the reception in Norway of Gottfredson's "Thursday". All me usual best! Mattias From jonlo at ifi.uio.no Tue Feb 15 17:05:15 1994 From: jonlo at ifi.uio.no (Jon Cato Lorentzen) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 17:05:15 +0100 Subject: Gyro's Hair & Other Things... Message-ID: <19940215160515.2141.skuta.ifi.uio.no@ifi.uio.no> A WIG ? : Do the straps connect to the hat or the hair ? I went through some Gyro stories yesterday, and in many stories his hat fly off his head (when he's angry), and the straps follow. In one story in particular (Posthasty Postman - US#40) Gyro goes through the whole story with a Postman's hat, and no straps. Therefore the conclusion must be that the straps are connected to his yellow hat, and his hair is real. In his earlier appearances in WDC&S with Donald and the Boys, the straps are not hidden by the hair, and goes all the way to the hat. But then again, since the male Ducks can only have white hair (according to Don), the same law might apply to chickens. Perhaps Gyro has coloured his hair, or he is after all wearing a wig (!). Perhaps he uses the hat to put pressure on the wig, so that it won't fall of his head. Hmmmm. THE LILLEHAMMER STORY: A page with text (and some drawings from various Duck-stories) came with Don's Lillehammer story in the latest Norwegian Donald Duck & Co. The text mentions four stories from which Don found inspiration for the story. I have small doubts about this, since two of the stories are non-Barks, and one is rather new (1984), and has probably not been printed in the US. Someone at the publishers probably searched for stories that contained elements of the Rosa story, and printed them as inspirations. If Don or anyone wants a complete translation of this text, just let me now, and I'll punch it in. THE SUNTANNED MOUSE: Is this a strictly Norwegian phenomena, or have Mickey and Goofy gotten hideous tans in the foreign Disney Comics as well. The trend started a year ago, when the publishers began colouring Mickeys face in a pink/brown colour, probably to make him seem more human. Soon, all the Mickey Characters (Goofy, Clarabelle, Minnie etc.) got this hideous colour in their face. WHAT HAPPENED TO WHITE ? These new stories are bad enough to begin with, but this colouring really makes me sick. Especially when they reprint an older classic with the new "human-like" colours. Jon C. Lorentzen From clawton at TFS.COM Tue Feb 15 18:25:00 1994 From: clawton at TFS.COM (Chris Lawton) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 94 09:25 PST Subject: Thanks Message-ID: Thanks to everybody who sent answers to my question about the "Valdres March". Chris Mickey's #1 Fan!! :) :) From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl Tue Feb 15 18:46:16 1994 From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 18:46:16 +0100 Subject: Inspiration for Lillehammer? Message-ID: <199402151746.AA23197@athena.research.ptt.nl> Jon Cato Lorentzen : > THE LILLEHAMMER STORY: > A page with text (and some drawings from various Duck-stories) came with > Don's Lillehammer story in the latest Norwegian Donald Duck & Co. The text > mentions four stories from which Don found inspiration for the story. No need to translate the entire text (for me), but I *am* curious which four stories they mentioned. And I would also like to know the issue number of the Norwegian comic we are talking about (for our Rosa index). --Harry. From pomarejm at sun.aitc.rest.tasc.com Tue Feb 15 18:46:32 1994 From: pomarejm at sun.aitc.rest.tasc.com (Jean-Michel Pomarede) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 94 12:46:32 -0500 Subject: MY mistake Message-ID: <9402151743.AA04651@sun.aitc.rest.tasc.com > David Pomarede: Sorry guys, when I said that I thought I heard Gyro say that he had some poultry heritage, I was probably wrong because I was relying on what I could remember, and not what I had looked up. Next time I'll try to do my homework on the subject. I don't know, do you really think that it was Henery Hawk? Anyway, thanks for correcting me. ==Dave== From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl Tue Feb 15 18:56:04 1994 From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 18:56:04 +0100 Subject: Rosa is jabbering Message-ID: <199402151756.AA23281@athena.research.ptt.nl> > So... how do you people like it when I jabber this much? Don't > get me started!!! I like your background information on your covers and stories. In fact, I am working on an "annotated Rosa index" which lists all you work plus relevant facts that you mentioned on this mailing list. It's already over 900 lines of text, but I think it will become shorter because I will leave out information that is already in the articles in the Lo$ comics. My goal is a readable index in the form of Michael Barrier's Barks index. Maybe it's something for ftp when I've finished it... (Note that the index does not contain any new text, it's just a re-ordering of your messages. But if you have any objections: tell me, and the index will be for my own use only.) There are still quite a few stories you haven't commented on at all, but I'll get back to that later...8-) --Harry. From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl Tue Feb 15 19:02:50 1994 From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 19:02:50 +0100 Subject: The Ftp Site/CBL Message-ID: <199402151802.AA23392@athena.research.ptt.nl> Darin Reid: > I haven't ftp'd the Disney site in a long time, what the heck is it? It's a directory on a Swedish machine where a lot of interesting files are stored.. 8-) > Is there an Index of stories contained in the Carl Barks Library (the three > volume sets, not the albums) at the ftp site? No, but there are some Barks indexes, like my dutch/barks-index file. The CBL books contain subsequent stories from the comics, so it is possible to figure out which story is in which CBL book... If you want a list like that, ask me, and I can make one for you. (The only problem with the Dutch index is that the stories without a title have Dutch descriptions. All other informations should be readable for non-Dutch...) --Harry. P.S. Per also put a new version of the 'story-codes' file on ftp, with new information by David and Fabio. From David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu Tue Feb 15 19:43:32 1994 From: David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu (David A Gerstein) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 13:43:32 -0500 Subject: Disney-comics digest #242. In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 15 Feb 1994 01:18:13 +0100 Message-ID: <9402151843.AA03020@bigbird.cc.williams.edu> Dear Folks, Tryg Helseth said, "I was trying to locate yet another story where Gyro appears without a hat; there was one I remember where Gyro was quite a bit heavier and I don't think he had a hat. As I recall, it was a brief appearance in a US or DD story--probably in DD. Anyone remember this pre-Jenny Craig Gyro?" Yep. Gyro may be a chicken, but in "Hobblin' Goblins" (DD 26, and reprinted billions of times since then) he's fat as a pig. Why this is, is completely beyond me, because he never looked like that before or after that story (which, BTW, is his third appearance). He wears his hat, BTW, for the entire story. Now my quote: anyone who guessed that the phrase "It's a CHICKEN, I tell ya! A GIANT CHICKEN!" came from Warners' recent "Chicken Boo" cartoons, is right. This is a series about a giant chicken living, apparently, in the regular human world. This chicken has no human attributes most of the time, but wants desperately to be a person, so each cartoon revolves around him putting on an outlandish disguise (which IMHO doesn't stop him from looking like a chicken in the least). He fools people, at first, then fails. Again and again and again. I don't like when a good, original idea is rammed into the ground until it stops being original... Back to all-Disney stuff next time, I promise. Heh-heh-heh-heh-heh. Yours twuly, David Gerstein "I'm the Fuller Brush Man! I'm givin' g'way free semple!" From SCAV9150 at FREDONIA.BITNET Tue Feb 15 05:35:00 1994 From: SCAV9150 at FREDONIA.BITNET (Kristina M. Scavo) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 5:35 pm EST (22:35:24 UT) Subject: Disney? Message-ID: <41212021594173524@FREDONIA> I love Disney| i got the name from list serv list Kristina M. Scavo SCAV9150 at FREDONIA.BITNET From d91fe at pteranodon.pt.hk-r.se Tue Feb 15 23:44:33 1994 From: d91fe at pteranodon.pt.hk-r.se (Fredrik Ekman) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 94 23:44:33 +0100 Subject: The Big Bad Jewish Wolf -- CASE CLOSED Message-ID: <9402152244.AA22005@pteranodon.pt.hk-r.se> On February 6, David Gerstein wrote: > I talked to my friend Jerry Beck, an animation historian in > Los Angeles, and at last found out the whole story about Zeke Wolf's > Hasidic disguise in 1933's THE THREE LITTLE PIGS. > > Here's the reason for our confusion -- there were *three* > versions of the film! > > [stuff deleted] > > [The first version] is one of the rarest cartoons of all time. > Mr. Beck doesn't even know if the Disney Archives has a copy. He has > seen a French version at the Museum of Modern Art. Here's a little something I found in NAFS(k)uriren 17. I suspect that this is where Mattias got his original info as well. The text is from an article about a visit to the Disney Archives. It was written by Olof Siverbo and has been translated from Swedish by me. "Among many, many other things, [David R Smith] told us a clearly interesting anecdote about the short film "Three Little Pigs" from 1933. In the version we know of this film there is a scene where the wolf is disguised as a brush salesman. Dave told us that this very sequence is reanimated as late as the fifties! In the original version the wolf was disguised as a distinctly _Jewish_ salesman, who also spoke silly Jewish language! The original version was unfortunately not available for viewing at the Archives - all film is archived elsewhere in the studio - but Dave had gone through the trouble of finding the original sketches for the sequence, and after having viewed these we were not at all surprised that this part of the film had to be redone. According to Dave it should be very easy to see that the sequence is made later once you know about it." This seems to indicate that the original version is indeed NOT at the archives, but could be elsewhere. /F From trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu Wed Feb 16 00:55:53 1994 From: trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu (Tryg Helseth) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 94 17:55:53 CST Subject: Heavyweight Gyro/Picky mail reader Message-ID: <16702.trygve@maroon.tc.umn.edu> DAVID: > Yep. Gyro may be a chicken, but in "Hobblin' Goblins" (DD 26, >and reprinted billions of times since then) he's fat as a pig. Why >this is, is completely beyond me, because he never looked like that >before or after that story (which, BTW, is his third appearance). > > He wears his hat, BTW, for the entire story. Thanks for identifying that story for me; I don't know why I thought he was hatless in it, though... MATTIAS: I think the trouble I have reading your messages in PINE may have more to do with PINE than your messages. If I save the message to a file, I can read it just fine using "more." And off-loading it to my PC with SLIP works fine too... Tryg Helseth Minneapolis, MN, USA or "I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" -The Beach Drakes From trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu Wed Feb 16 00:56:14 1994 From: trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu (Tryg Helseth) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 94 17:56:14 CST Subject: Yet another index (or two)? Message-ID: <16711.trygve@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Hello All: I was snooping around the lysator FTP site today and was surprised not to see any listings of Disney's US comics by title. Is it that those indeces are so commonplace that no one wants to see one again? The reason I ask is that I have on my PC a couple of lists I typed in years ago. The first list is derived from Don Rosa's index of Walt Disney's Comics and Stories that appeared in his Information Center column of the RBCC back in the '70s. It only includes the Donald Duck stories (with Rosa's descriptions for untitled stories) but has cross-references to where they were reprinted in US publications. I kept thre reprint references up to date up thorugh the Whitman "sampler" years, but never started it back up again when Gladstone came along. (But then, there already is a spiffy Gladstone index at the FTP site!) The second index I have is of Uncle Scrooge (1-83) It lists the contents of each comic and where those stories were reprinted in the States. As with the WDC&S, the cross-references here only go up through the Whitman years. If there is any interest in these, I'd be happy to upload them to the FTP site (providing that someone tells me how...) Tryg Helseth Minneapolis, MN, USA or "I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" -The Beach Drakes From David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu Wed Feb 16 01:55:14 1994 From: David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu (David A Gerstein) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 19:55:14 -0500 Subject: Disney-comics digest #243. In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 16 Feb 1994 01:18:13 +0100 Message-ID: <9402160055.AA23072@hancock.cc.williams.edu> Dear Folks, Jon Lorentzen complained about "THE SUNTANNED MOUSE: Is this a strictly Norwegian phenomena, or have Mickey and Goofy gotten hideous tans in the foreign Disney Comics as well? The trend started a year ago..." I'm surprised you say a year ago, when Egmont makes the Norwegian comics virtually identical to the German and Danish ones. In Germany and Denmark, the Mouse began having a pink face on and off around 1990. Yes, in old and new stories both.... Meanwhile in the U. S., Mickey's face was white until 1990, but when Disney Comics started up, they began to color his face pink. In late 1992, it actually went from pink to *brown* -- I had seldom seen Mickey with such a dark face until then. They even colored the very earliest Mickey this way -- a reprinted story from 1931 gave Mickey that brown face, and he looked just bizarre. (I mean "Circus Roustabout" in WDC&S 585) When Gladstone took over again in 1993, they began giving Mickey a white face again. I actually find that the modern Mickey looks better to me with a pink -- *LIGHT* pink -- face, but that the early Mickey is far superior with a white one. I think this is because with his later largely-white eyes, Mickey lost a lot of the contrast that had been on his facial design when he had pie-slice eyes. Nothing really draws you to his face when most of it is just pale white. It's those pie-slice eyes that draw me to the early Mickey, and I actually think the later Mickey looks better with a *SLIGHTLY* pink face. "Soon, all the Mickey Characters (Goofy, Clarabelle, Minnie etc.) got this hideous colour in their face." Same happened with Disney's Disney comics over here. Gladstone's given them back their "old look" -- but they do *not* color Peg-Leg Pete consistently even now. In WDC&S 588, he had a pink face, but in 589 and 590 (later parts of the same 1944 story) he got a white one. Pete looks better with a pink one... he NEVER had a white face on screen when color came in, whereas Mickey kept his for a few years (during the era that Gladstone obviously wants to recapture). * * * * * Tryg commented that he had a list of U$ 1-83 with reprint status of everything through Whitman. If he sends it to me, I can add what I remember offhand of post-Whitman reprints, then toss it on to Per. Same for WDC&S, although what I'd really like the most is a copy of Don's *whole* index complete with the pre-Barks issues. (Just so you know, BTW, the Barks DD in WDC&S 31 was *not* the first original comic for WDC&S -- Thumper had an original story in WDC&S 29, by Ken Hultgren, and I believe *that* to be the first. It was reprinted in WDC&S 547 back in 1990.) * * * * * Someone noted that the recent foreign reprint of Gottfredson's "An Education for Thursday" has raised protest. I am not surprised. The story has its good moments, but only if you don't imagine Thursday to be like ANY real human being. No one looks or acts like that. Unfortunately, anyone who takes him as BEING representative of real Africans -- which he was supposed to be -- finds the prejudice in the story. I will never claim that Gottfredson, my favorite Disney creator, was not prejudiced, because he most certainly was. I would NEVER advocate reprinting the Thursday stories in comic books today. I only hope that one day a complete Gottfredson reprint series will appear, and when and if that does show up (maybe decades from now), it should include the stories. * * * * * That's all, folks. David Gerstein "I'm the Fuller Brush Man! I'm givin' g'way free semple!" From CDAMBROSIO1 at vaxc.hofstra.edu Wed Feb 16 02:27:23 1994 From: CDAMBROSIO1 at vaxc.hofstra.edu (CDAMBROSIO1@vaxc.hofstra.edu) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 21:27:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Ahoy, a lurker unlurks! Message-ID: <01H8XF225T5O8Y764D@vaxc.hofstra.edu> Greetings all, Well, I've been chugging along here on the information superhighway for three or four months now and "lurking" in this group almost as long. I've passed everybody's comments about the Disney corporation on to Uncle Eisner and now I'm here to basically say "Hi." First, last semester in animation history class, I did a paper on Carl Barks, Uncle Scrooge, and Ducktales. This was, of course, before the real McDuck/imposter McDuck discussions. Anyway, one of the things that I found in my "research" was that Barks didn't like working in the Disney animation studios. So, comics were perfect work for him and now people like us read and reread his stories. Now I always thought he was a nice, old guy, so why all the negativity from him (as I sense it from this list)? Second, as another Don worshipper (hi Don!) might I just say you can ramble all you want. I am proud to admit that I paid twelve bucks for a copy of "Son of the Sun." It was only one of three or five issues I needed to have Gladstone's entire first run. I love the detail in your art. I know your covers from twenty feet away and your pages from ten. It's distinctive and makes use of all its space. I don't have any specific story comments, as I don't have all that much duck stuff here with me at the moment and I don't know what's going on at the news stands here that I usually pick my comics up at. They seem to have stopped carrying the Disney comics or lost all their issues, cause they haven't had any for quite awhile. I'll have to pick them up at home, because I am very much looking forward to the Lo$. Finally, though I haven't been posting long enough to have earned the right to post so long a message, I thought you all might find it interesting that during the beginning of Gladstone's run I sent them a bunch of Duck one pagers a couple of times. I got back "not interested in one pagers," so I sent plot summaries for a couple of longer stories. Then Disney took over and some of my stuff got sent back to me from Gladstone saying "try Bob Foster." I did and he sent me his "writer's guidelines," and I sent stuff back and this is where I forget what happened next. I know I got an internship at MAD magazine (I've been thisclose to a sale since) but I was wondering what the situation would be for occasional new stories from unknowns like myself. David, I imagine we're about the same age, any comment? Okay, that's enough. Cheerio and fare thee well... BUTCH From 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM Wed Feb 16 04:47:25 1994 From: 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM (Don Rosa) Date: 15 Feb 94 22:47:25 EST Subject: Disney-comics digest #243. Message-ID: <940216034725_72260.2635_EHK53-1@CompuServe.COM> JON CATO: They listed stories which were "my inspiration" for my Lillehammer story??? I have no idea what that is all about. I had no other stories in mind when I did mine. At the same time, I wasn't particularly happy with my story, and told the editor at the time that it seemed pretty "plain" to me and that I wouldn't doubt that Egmont/Gutenberghus (being based in Scandanavia and therefore favoring winter-sports tales) had done dozens of similar tales in the past 30 years that I'd have no way of knowing about. Perhaps I was right, and there had been some past Duck stories so similar to mine that the editor thought he'd better claim that I used them for inspiration rather than have sharp readers accuse me of swiping...? That's the only guess I can make. And, sure, I'd like to see a translation of the text, if it's not too much trouble. In return, I'll send you an English translation of the above. Deal? HARRY: No, I don't mind if you lift any of my comments off here to be used in an index or article... as long as I can have a LOOK at them before you publish something like that. I say things on here that I wouldn't necessarilly want a Disney executive to see (though they don't see anything, anyway)... and I might say things on here about Barks' modern attitudes that I'd rather not seen repeated, as it seems to me that my only smart reaction to his puzzling remarks about me (or his self-serving "agent's" remarks, actually) is for me to take a higher road and NOT react. From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl Wed Feb 16 09:24:00 1994 From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 09:24:00 +0100 Subject: Tryg's Index, David's Thursday Message-ID: <199402160824.AA04602@athena.research.ptt.nl> David: > Tryg commented that he had a list of U$ 1-83 with reprint > status of everything through Whitman. If he sends it to me, I can add > what I remember offhand of post-Whitman reprints, then toss it on to > Per. Same for WDC&S, although what I'd really like the most is a copy > of Don's *whole* index complete with the pre-Barks issues. But, as Tryg said, we already HAVE all the post-Whitman (meaning Gladstone/ Disney/Gladstone) information! I guess we DO have to think about making one big 'source' index with several indexes derived from it. And yes Tryg, please send those lists to Per, or David, or me! David again: > Someone noted that the recent foreign reprint of Gottfredson's > "An Education for Thursday" has raised protest. I am not surprised. > The story has its good moments, but only if you don't imagine Thursday > to be like ANY real human being. No one looks or acts like that. What I remember from the version I read (Paul Murry's remake, and I read it a long time ago) Thursday acts like a young child. So maybe the story could be reprinted when explicitly stating that Thursday is about 3 years old? (I hope to see the Gottfredson version one day...) --Harry. Harry PTT Research ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak Fluks Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl "Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!" From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl Wed Feb 16 09:37:10 1994 From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 09:37:10 +0100 Subject: Another Rosa index... Message-ID: <199402160837.AA05258@athena.research.ptt.nl> Don Rosa: > No, I don't mind if you lift any of my comments off here to be > used in an index or article... as long as I can have a LOOK at them > before you publish something like that. The only 'publication' I planned so far is the Disney-comics ftp site (if someone would like it there). But now that you mention it... maybe it could be published somewhere else... In that case, you get to see the text first, of course. > I say things on here that I > wouldn't necessarilly want a Disney executive to see (though they don't > see anything, anyway)... and I might say things on here about Barks' > modern attitudes that I'd rather not seen repeated I didn't include much of that, only a global paragraph about your experience with Barks. Most of the text is about your covers and stories and their backgrounds. --Harry. From torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Wed Feb 16 22:51:57 1994 From: torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 15:51:57 -0600 (CST) Subject: Disney-comics digest #242. In-Reply-To: <940215043826_72260.2635_EHK22-1@CompuServe.COM> Message-ID: On 14 Feb 1994, Don Rosa wrote: > Your comments combined with others in that Digest indicate a > fact I've learned in the last 7 years of doing these Duck comics -- no > matter what story I do, it will be some people's favorite, some people's > least favorite, with everyone else somewhere in between. Already I've > heard comments that the Lo$ #1 is one of my very best stories, as well > as people who think it was not much of a story, just a string of facts. > Myself, I agree sorta with that latter view, while at the same time I > feel that it was EXACTLY what I was trying to do; given the list of > facts I needed to cover in that chapter, and the progress I needed to > make in $crooge's life and character, I'm QUITE pleased with that > chapter, which is rare for me in regards to most of my own work. I will > apologise to you and any others who didn't think that was much of a > story... I'm afraid that you'll finf the REST of this series as being > similar -- I have a list of facts to deal with, a specific era in > $crooge's life and development to cover, and usually ONLY 15 PAGES to do > it in. I have always thought that this whole series will only read well > when it's printed in ONE volume. More on that in a sec. Don, for what it's worth, I usually have the same reaction to Neil Gaiman's Sandman. It isn't until I read the entire story arc in one sitting that I understand all the intricacies of the story. Same goes for Frank Miller's Sin City, which reads much better as a book and not as a serial. Also, I read the third part in German three months ago, and I enjoyed it immensely, even though I had to translate the text. I rarely laugh out loud when reading humourous stories, but I did when I saw the "rodeo" at the end of part three. Just remember, Don, that what you do is excellent work, and is at least in the top 25% of what is being published in comic books today. > I wonder if that old Pogo baby was in the back of my head when I > gave Hortense her "glxblt". If it's the same gurgle, that would be > interesting. Either it's from "Pogo", or it's from MAD Magazine. Somewhere in the back of my brain, I have this picture of a drooling child saying that. May be Wally Wood, maybe Will Elder or Harvey Kurtzman. Could even be the MAD comicbook. Of course, if we see any avocado plants or dirigibles in future parts, then we'll know for certain. I prefer chaotic, non-linear stories, as it prevents a lot of mistakes from happening. A good example of this is the Marvel Comics universe. It is now thirty years old in "real time", but the characters have only aged about ten years. This causes problems with characters which experienced the Vietnam War, disco, campus protests, etc. Superman was once non-linear (remember Superbaby and Superboy?), but fifty years of multicolored kryptonite, Superanimals, and Lois trying to discover Kal-El's identity created a lot of baggage. Currently, the Superman editorial staff is doing an excellent job of organizing the various stories. (Take a look at the cover. Ever wonder what those triangles are for? They tell the reader what order to read the issues.) However, I think organizing a non-linear character like Uncle Scrooge could lead to trouble. Why? Because I think that others will try to shoehorn stories into the timeline, or use facts and forget others so that mistakes are made, and when someone tries to organize it all, well, it makes it very difficult. Don, you already had this problem (the magic hourglass), and perhaps others will not try to organize the Ducks like you have. Furthermore, I hope that fans don't get to involved with setting up genealogies and histories, as it tends to dilute the fun and excitement of reading. And no, I don't think that TLaTo$M is a bad thing. Don did a lot of research and hard work, and I am certain that it will be appreciated by most of the readers. Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA (via NZ) From torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Wed Feb 16 23:41:26 1994 From: torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 16:41:26 -0600 (CST) Subject: Tintin and Uncle Scrooge Message-ID: Recently, I purchased the seven volume set of Tintin stories from a used book store. (It is difficult to find Tintin books in a U.S. comicbook store, let alone a normal bookstore, whereas almost every major bookstore here in Wellington has at least one copy of Tintin and Asterix, if not the complete run.) Anyway, I have noticed one interesting parallel between Herge' and Don Rosa. Both use an incredible amount of detail with stage design, which serves two purposes. First, it creates credibility and believability. Secondly, it provides some contrast between the characters and the scenery, thereby allowing the reader to quickly read the panel. (Unlike animation, which can create the illusion of three dimensions by changing the camera focus and using movement, comicbooks are strictly two-dimensional.) What this means is that the next time someone criticizes the detail of a Rosa story, all you have to do is ask them if they like Tintin, or just show them an example of Herge, and see what they think of that as well. If they don't like it, well then they are nothing more than an uncivilised neanderthal who wouldn't recognise Fine Art if Michelangelo's David fell on them. |) Now, for the obligatory marketing suggestions (tm and copyright 1994 Torsten Adair). Given the elative success of Tintin and Asterix OUTSIDE the U.S., I would like to suggest that Gladstone/Disney/Hyperion publish a series of glossy hardcover books reprinting the best Disney stories. The books would be the same size as the Tintin books, which would mean that the art would be larger than comic book size, and perhaps as long (thick). As a matter of fact, the current CBL books could probably be repackaged, and sold at a decent price. (A paperback copy of a Tintin book cost about $US6.50, and is a perrennial title, just like the Disney comics stories.) Another idea is to do a poster book. There is one for Tintin (not that great, mostly enlarged panels of the characters and not of the magnificent scenery), and the pages are perforated for easy removal. How about one of Don Rosa covers (like the one Don mentioned a few days ago). Sure, Disney would have to be asked, but consider the market! (U.S., Europe, Australia) Well, I think I've given enough for Don to reply to. |) Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA (via NZ) From d91fe at iguanodon.pt.hk-r.se Thu Feb 17 00:48:32 1994 From: d91fe at iguanodon.pt.hk-r.se (Fredrik Ekman) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 94 00:48:32 +0100 Subject: The Life and Times... some scattered thoughts Message-ID: <9402162348.AA11117@iguanodon.pt.hk-r.se> Torsten, on the subject of Lo$: > Also, I read the third part in German three months ago, and I enjoyed it > immensely, even though I had to translate the text. I rarely laugh out > loud when reading humourous stories, but I did when I saw the "rodeo" at > the end of part three. That's very interesting, and I guess it just proves what Don wrote in a previous post. Because of those parts of Lo$ that I've read so far, part three has been my LEAST favourite. And my least favourite sequence of part three was that very "rodeo". I guess I found it too silly or whatever. > > Just remember, Don, that what you do is excellent work, and is at least in > the top 25% of what is being published in comic books today. > On that, however, I have to agree. I would actually say top 10%, without doubt. > Furthermore, I hope that fans don't get to involved with setting up > genealogies and histories, as it tends to dilute the fun and excitement of > reading. In an article by Per Sjoblom in an old NAFS(k)uriren, this is called "the knowledge paradox". It says that the more you like a certain comic, the more you will want to know about the creator, the history behind it and things like those Torsten lists above. But that knowledge will in turn lead to a loss of the original magic of reading the comic. I tend to agree with this, but I still can't help trying to get that info all the same. > And no, I don't think that TLaTo$M is a bad thing. Don did a lot > of research and hard work, and I am certain that it will be appreciated by > most of the readers. For me, emotions have been mixed so far. I won't make up my mind as to what I think about it until I've read it all. /F From trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu Thu Feb 17 02:02:46 1994 From: trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu (Tryg Helseth) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 94 19:02:46 CST Subject: Picky mail reader... Message-ID: <16743.trygve@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Bror Hellman wrote: >>MATTIAS: I think the trouble I have reading your messages in PINE may have >>more to do with PINE than your messages. >I think it's got something to do with your version of PINE or your setup. >I had the same problem, but I edited these lines in .pinerc : ># Will display all text without checking whether or not it is displayable >show-all-characters=yes Thanks Bror, I found that line in .pinerc and changed it the your example above. Now all I have to do is wait for Mattias to send another message so that I can test it out! :) Tryg Helseth Minneapolis, MN, USA or "I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" -The Beach Drakes From trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu Thu Feb 17 02:03:02 1994 From: trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu (Tryg Helseth) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 94 19:03:02 CST Subject: US and WDC indeces... Message-ID: <16753.trygve@maroon.tc.umn.edu> David A Gerstein: > Tryg commented that he had a list of U$ 1-83 with reprint >status of everything through Whitman. If he sends it to me, I can add >what I remember offhand of post-Whitman reprints, then toss it on to >Per. Same for WDC&S, although what I'd really like the most is a copy >of Don's *whole* index complete with the pre-Barks issues. Harry Fluks: >But, as Tryg said, we already HAVE all the post-Whitman (meaning Gladstone/ >Disney/Gladstone) information! I guess we DO have to think about making >one big 'source' index with several indexes derived from it. >And yes Tryg, please send those lists to Per, or David, or me! I think that updating the lists I have to include the Gladstone/Dinsey/ Gladstone cross references would be a BIG task--which is why I haven't done it. :) And David, I agree it would be nice to have the *complete* WDC listings, and not just the DD stories. But when I condensed Don Rosa's list to just the DD stories, it was strictly for my own use in keeping track of reprints. So I copied the DD storys to a Typwritten list on my old Smith Carona. Later, when I had access to a terminal, I typed the lists in again and stored them on paper tape; later they were moved to a cassette then to a floppy, and now they reside on my PC's hard disk. In other words, they have been around! Anyhow, now I have three people I could send them to. So should I jsut pick one, or send copies to all three? And how do I send them? Can I just attach them as an enclosure to a message? (I'm kinda new to this Internet thing...) Tryg Helseth Minneapolis, MN, USA or "I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" -The Beach Drakes From d91fe at iguanodon.pt.hk-r.se Thu Feb 17 02:20:40 1994 From: d91fe at iguanodon.pt.hk-r.se (Fredrik Ekman) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 94 02:20:40 +0100 Subject: Indonesia Message-ID: <9402170120.AA11223@iguanodon.pt.hk-r.se> Several weeks ago, Gary wrote: >Egmont isn't entirely unconstrained by Disney, but what you said pretty much >hit the proverbial nail a smart rap. Several years ago I heard that Indonesia >(I think it was Indonesia) nationalized the Disney characters, claiming they >were the property of the people of that country and so not subject to the >dictates of The Walt Disney Company as to their use in that country. It was a >fascinating bit of hearsay, but I never heard any more about it. Has anyone >else? I have now looked through my old Indonesian comic book. It turned out to be not two "Donal Bebek", as I had thought, but one "Walt Disney Album". On the inside back cover, it said "(c) 1976 Walt Disney" or something similar. So any Indonesian nationalization was either before or after this year. /F From 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM Thu Feb 17 05:35:50 1994 From: 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM (Don Rosa) Date: 16 Feb 94 23:35:50 EST Subject: Disney-comics digest #244. Message-ID: <940217043550_72260.2635_EHK34-1@CompuServe.COM> TORSTEN: My influences are all subconscious. I never purposely imitated anyone's work since I never took doing comics seriously -- I never had the least intention of doing it as a living until I was 36. But at the same time, it's clear what my influences are since they are obviously all the comics I was reading as a kid; I started on Barks' Ducks, moved to MAD magazine, then to Mort Weisinger's Superman. It's from the latter that I get my enjoyment of doing "secret origin" stories and in building a consistant universe for a fictitious character. My Lo$ isn't precisely like anything you've seen before since it's a mixture of both styles. As I've said, I treat everything that has gone before, such as $crooge's life, as existing on a specific timeline -- I feel to regard it otherwise would be an insult to the character. But I regard as all other stories, all stories taking place in the "present", to erase themselves after they have occured. I violate this myself to some extent -- f'rinstance, in "Guardians of the Lost Library", I make references to stuff discovered in "His Majesty McDuck". But at least TIME never progresses -- TIME erases itself at the end of each tale, even if the characters might learn some bit of info. This is certainly one big difference between my work and Barks' -- I know of only four instances where his Ducks remember anything that happened in a previous story. But that's one advantage (or disadvantage?) I have over Barks -- I know there are many people reading this stuff with a very serious eye. Also, here I am again to tell you "how the world works". Gladstone absolutely CANNOT publish/market anything for any market other than its current market, which is the U.S., Canada, and Australia/New Zealand. That's how these licenses work. They could never get any other license since those areas are covered by other publishers (usually EGMONT) who would never allow another publisher into their area. Of course, Gladstone comics are sold by mail and at specialty stores everywhere in the world, but this is a limited distribution by independant distributors, not a newsstand deal. From Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se Thu Feb 17 09:54:07 1994 From: Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se (Mattias Hallin) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 1994 09:54:07 +0100 Subject: Allus willin' t'oblige Message-ID: <01H8ZKX0SNCKA0UFEH@castor.ldc.lu.se> TRYG: Here's a message from Mattias, on which to try your computers new teeth on! Did it work, eh...? Hmm... Mattias From jonlo at ifi.uio.no Thu Feb 17 13:44:48 1994 From: jonlo at ifi.uio.no (Jon Cato Lorentzen) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 1994 13:44:48 +0100 Subject: The Olympic Intro Translation Message-ID: <19940217124448.21714.surt.ifi.uio.no@ifi.uio.no> OK. Sorry for this long (and probably boring) posting, but Don and everyone who is interested can feel free to read it. This is a translation of the intro page in the Norwegian release of Don Rosa's From Duckburg to Lille- hammer story. The essay has been translated by yours truly, and the views and statements made here are not made by me. By the way: The Olympic story was also reviewed in the Norwegian newspaper Arbeiderbladet. Almost half a page was spent on this, with a Rosa-drawing of a wounded Donald waving a norwegian flag, and a smaller picture of the front page. The story was reviewed by Dag K. Hotvedt, and got four stars out of six. His main complaints were that the story was far to short, and that Don Rosa's drawings were not up to his usual standards. Anyway, here comes the Translation of the intro page from Norwegian Donald Duck & Co.: HEADLINE: DONALD - A REAL SPORTSMAN There are few with less sense of fair play than Donald Duck. In all of life's situations he tries to take the short cut, not only on the sports arena. For his defense we can always say that the competition is pretty unfair. Cousin Gladstone is always there, ready to let his less lucky cousin taste the bitter berries of defeat. Unfortunately for Donald it seems that he can't get to the top, even with Gyro Gearlooses help. That is, he gets to the top - of a tree, or he gets very hot upstairs when his cheating is revealed, but we never see him in the victory spot, unless there has been some sort of mistake. Don Rosa let himself inspire by classic stories when he sat down to make the story about Donald and the Olympic Games at Lillehammer. The rivalry between Donald and Gladstone is always there, wether they fight over Dolly, who is Scrooges favourite nephew or an olympic prize. But as usual Gladstone is not driven by sporting goals, but other and more greedy wishes. Picture 1: An angry Gladstone marching up a snow-covered hill with some skates on his back. Though Bubble: (Phooey. I don't care about the honour, I only wanted the 100 kroners). Text Below: In this Barks story from nr.4/1966 the two cousins compete in a combined skating and fishing contest. Gladstone shows the same bad sportsmanship here as in the Lillehammer story. Picture 2: Donald's feet with skates on, speeding forward. Beneath the ice we can see a magnetic robot-fish going in the same direction. Narrator Text: But the secret behind Donalds success is under the ice, and is very skillfully controlled by his nephew, Lewey. Text Below: In nr.48/1984 Donald also looses control over his skates due to magnetism. In this story he is to blame for his problems, as he tries to cheat. In the Rosa-story he is only the victiom of unlucky circiumstances. Picture 3: Donald stands on skis with loads of slalom flags in his arms. People stand about laughing. Speech bubble from angry man: You misunderstood - The flags should not be *gathered*. Text below picture: Donald has tried himself on skis before, such as in nr.1/1959. The result was the same as this time. He collects the flags instead of avoiding them. Not a technique we can recommend on Lillehammer. Picture 4: Donald speeding over the edge of a ski jump. His skis enter two leather straps that are connected to some poles. Thought Bubble: I will be world champion one day. Text Below picture: Donald has tried ski jumping both free willing and not. The result is always the same: Total catastrophe. In this strip from nr.5/1956 he has promised the boys that he will never be angry anymore. The boys of course do everything to annoy him when he practices the jumps. Text Below Pictures: But in Don Rosas story Donald and Gladstone compete in an event we have not seen them in before, bobsleighing. How *that* ends you'll have to read for yourself. If you study the story closely, you can find a small gag from when Donald and the boys visited Norway last. That time Carl Barks sent them there. -- Translation ends -- Jon C. Lorentzen From HATHAWAY at stsci.edu Thu Feb 17 16:13:56 1994 From: HATHAWAY at stsci.edu (HATHAWAY@stsci.edu) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 1994 10:13:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: Crook Article Message-ID: <01H8ZKOJBAYACEHHQB@avion.stsci.edu> Fellow Duckophiles, I am distressed to report on a newspaper article in today's (17-FEB-1994) Washington Post. Front page article by Rick Atkinson of the Washington Post Foreign Service. Special correspopndent Ute Huebner contributed to the report. To quote the first lines: "BERLIN - He may be the most ingenious crook since the Penguin tormented Batman, an extortionist-turned-folk hero who specializes in electronic wizdardry, narrow escapes and duping the authorities. For 20 months he has baffled police - and captivated the German public with fiendishly clever plots that involve blowing up department stores whenever his demands for an $800,000 payoff are not met. His inspiration - and perhaps some of his schemes - appear to be drawn from Walt Disney comic books, specificially those featuring Donald Duck's tightfisted trillionaire (sic) uncle, Scrooge McDuck; hence the culprit's chosen nom de guere, "Dagobert," the German name for the comic character." The article goes on to describe several attempted extortion plots of his, including a "two-foot-long homemade scooter powered by batteries and designed to ride atop a rail", in which 1.4 million German marks were to be delivered to him. (It derailed when it hit a spike.) Also, "Police are said to be combing through 6,000 pages of Walt Disney comic books looking for clues. Of particular interest are the Uncle Scrooge Adventures, first drawn by Disney artist Carl barks in 1947 and still wildly popular in Germany." ... "Like the police, Disney devotees in Germany - including those belonging to a fan club called DONALD - have been scouring their comic stacks for hints on Dagobert's next move." ... The article is quite too long for me to quote the whole thing right now, (and of course is copywritten by the newspaper) but it should be of interest. In case this is something that was recently discussed on the list, I may have missed it during a vacation earlier this month. So sorry if this is a repeat of old news. For the Washington area it is front page news today. Anyone who know more care to comment on it? I suppose the knee-jerk reaction from the non-Duck folk would be to expect an immediate condemnation from all Duck fans of this crook's activities. Me - I don't accept a damn bit of responsibility for this guy's actions as my love of Ducks has nothing to do with his alleged mis-use of the stories. I'd feel insulted to be associated with him in any way. It is refreshing that the (reading) public can learn of the international popularity of Scrooge and family. It is unfortunate the media needs violence to get their attention though. Wm. Hathaway From starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE Fri Feb 18 02:40:11 1994 From: starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Per Starback) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 94 02:40:11 +0100 Subject: US and WDC indeces... In-Reply-To: "Tryg Helseth"'s message of Wed, 16 Feb 94 19:03:02 CST <16753.trygve@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <9402180140.AA14791@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE> The indexes Tryg mentioned are now available at the ftp server as "us" and "wdc". The format is like this (with one example issue of each): Uncle Scrooge, including all stories: NO. DATE PP TITLE REPRINTS --- ---- -- ----- -------- ... 42 5/63 20 THE CASE OF THE STICKY MONEY (BB) US 99, 141 4 GETTING HIS WIRES CROSSED--GY US 159 (DA,GG,HD&L,BB) {Not CB} 5 WHEELING AND DEALING (GD) {Not CB} US 149 WDC, only including the Duck stories: NO. DATE TITLE REPRINTS --- ---- ----- -------- ... 100 1/49 (DD, truant officer) WDC 495 The reprints indicated are those up to and including the Whitman books. (For later stuff, look at the gladstone-disney.index.) Thanks to Tryg for the typing! Other new or semi-new stuff at the ftp archive are new versions of the don-rosa index, the k-index of Disney's Disney comics, and the story-codes text on what those codes mean. Thanks to Harry and David! -- " Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se "Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!" From starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE Fri Feb 18 02:53:40 1994 From: starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Per Starback) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 94 02:53:40 +0100 Subject: NAFS(k)uriren #24 Message-ID: <9402180153.AA14883@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE> A new issue of NAFS(k)uriren, *the* Donaldist fanzine in Sweden, is out, and may be of interest to readers of Scandinavian languages. (All Swedes already have it of course, as they surely are members of NAFS(k)...) The main features on Disney comics are an article on Disney comics during World War 2, and one on the Beagle Boys. The issue looks nice and all, but Mattias (you're being one of the two editors) why is the most important part of NAFS(k)uriren missing? I'm speaking about the gossip column of course! -- " Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se "Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!" From 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM Fri Feb 18 05:06:54 1994 From: 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM (Don Rosa) Date: 17 Feb 94 23:06:54 EST Subject: Disney-comics digest #245. Message-ID: <940218040653_72260.2635_EHK57-2@CompuServe.COM> JON C.L.: Thanks for the translation of the text that accompanied the Norwegian use of that "Olympics" story. But I feel more embarrassed than ever by that story, seeing how much attention it received, which I should only have expected. 4 stars outta 6 is pretty fair -- more than fair -- but, again, it's a bit disturbing to think that my work is being rated on a lousy star system. That makes me rather self-concious about what I'm doing, which could tend to take the fun out of it after another 30 or 40 years! Yes, it was a short story -- the Norwegian editor wanted an "epic", but my editor thought that a short story would suffice, which didn't bother me considering my interest in sports and my desire to get back and finish the Lo$. I wonder why they seem to have gone out of their way to bring up those old stories to make it look like I was copying from them, especially when it was sheer coincidence; I'd never seen the stories with the mechanical fish or the flag gathering. And what was that about the reference to Barks' Norwegian story -- "The Lemming with the Locket"??? I made no reference to that tale in my story. Did they slip something into the translated dialogue??? And I wish I could ask that reviewer what specifically was wrong with the art. I always do the best I can in the art -- I wasn't aware that that story looked worse than others... I wonder why he thought so. From Even.Flood at due.unit.no Fri Feb 18 07:34:17 1994 From: Even.Flood at due.unit.no (Even Flood) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 08:34:17 +0200 (METDST) Subject: The lemming in the Olympic story Message-ID: Don: > And what was that about the reference to Barks' Norwegian story >-- "The Lemming with the Locket"??? I made no reference to that tale in >my story. Did they slip something into the translated dialogue??? In the panel where Donald and the boys stand looking over the fjord there is a lemming with a locket in the right part of the picture. I have not checked to see if the lemming is there in the original. But that is the reference. By the way, thanks for putting the horns of the Viking helmet back where they belong. I liked that gag! Even From Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se Fri Feb 18 09:39:25 1994 From: Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se (Mattias Hallin) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 09:39:25 +0100 Subject: NAFS(k)uriren #24 Message-ID: <01H90YYHW35GA0UFMA@castor.ldc.lu.se> PER: Why there is no gossip column in NK #24? This is a conscious editorial policy, made up after serious consultations with our gossip editor, Ms Clara Cluck; who feels it is better to have a whopper of a column every second issue, instead of a half-hearted one in each. Also, I think you realise my and Jakob's problems with getting the notoriously lazy Ms Cluck to do any actual work, such as editing her column, is an obstacle not to be underestimated. Also, I and Jakob feel that each issue of (k)uriren should only devote so much space to the INTERNAL affairs of NAFS(k)uriren -- our idea is that any issue ought to be interesting reading to ANYONE with a Disney/Disney Comics interest at ANY TIME, now or in the future. This is also why we don't usually publish items of a "news-reporting" character (the article by Per Sj|blom in #24 is an EXCEPTION to this rule). ALL: It's definite -- I got the paper today that says I'm from now on a regular employee in the Lund University administration; so it seems I'll be around to be around! All my best!!! Mattias From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl Fri Feb 18 10:22:45 1994 From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 10:22:45 +0100 Subject: US and WDC indices Message-ID: <199402180922.AA18011@athena.research.ptt.nl> Per wrote: > The indexes Tryg mentioned are now available at the ftp server as "us" > and "wdc". Great! Thanks Tryg, and thanks Per. I just got the files and had a brief look at them. I think it's not that difficult to add Gladstone/Disney reprints issues from our other indices, that is, if that's what we want. I think this list could be merged with (at least) Kjell Crone's index, and I'll think of a suitable format in the near future... Especially the "Not CB" entries are interesting. I found one small error though: the Gyro story in U$ 40, "Posthasty Postman", IS by Barks. --Harry. Harry PTT Research ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak Fluks Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl "Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!" From trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu Fri Feb 18 14:18:54 1994 From: trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu (Tryg Helseth) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 94 07:18:54 CST Subject: Crook Article Message-ID: <16727.trygve@maroon.tc.umn.edu> On Thu, 17 Feb 1994 10:13:56 -0500 (ES, HATHAWAY at stsci.edu wrote: > For 20 months he has baffled police - and captivated the German public with >fiendishly clever plots that involve blowing up department stores whenever his >demands for an $800,000 payoff are not met. His inspiration - and perhaps >some of his schemes - appear to be drawn from Walt Disney comic books, >specificially those featuring Donald Duck's tightfisted trillionaire (sic) >uncle, Scrooge McDuck; hence the culprit's chosen nom de guere, "Dagobert," >the German name for the comic character." > I suppose the knee-jerk reaction from the non-Duck folk would be >to expect an immediate condemnation from all Duck fans of this crook's >activities. Remember when "Hacker" was used to describe someone who had intimate knowledge of computers and was a respected member of the computing community? Then the media got a hold of the word and twisted it around to mean someone who breaks into computer systems and reaks havoc. In other words, a criminal! >From time to time I've seen alledged do-gooders get on an anti-comics campaign in their mission to save our children from corruption. I remember years ago seeing Pat Robinson lead a discussion on his "700 Club" raking comics in general over the coals. They were calling for comic books to be banned or, at least, not sold to minors. They made an exception, of course, for "Christian" comics and went out of their way to priase titles like "Alveraz!" (Now I've seen Alveraz, and I thought it was one of the most racist and violent comics I had seen...) > It is refreshing that the (reading) public can learn of the >international popularity of Scrooge and family. It is unfortunate >the media needs violence to get their attention though. Just like the US media coverage of the winter olympics. They are trying very hard to make the Tonya Harding/Nancy Kerrigan incident into a soap opera! All the reporters seem to be following Tonya and Nancy around asking them what they will say to each other, etc. Then, of course, we are all embarrased by the few kooks who think it's cute to make long- distant calls to Norway with death threats! As comic fans, we can breath a sigh of relief that so few people read; maybe the Washington Post article will not be noticed... Tryg Helseth Minneapolis, MN, USA or "I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" -The Beach Drakes From trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu Fri Feb 18 14:33:05 1994 From: trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu (Tryg Helseth) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 94 07:33:05 CST Subject: Congratulations! Message-ID: <17464.trygve@maroon.tc.umn.edu> On Fri, 18 Feb 1994 09:39:25 +0100, Mattias Hallin wrote: > It's definite -- I got the paper today that says I'm from now on a regular >employee in the Lund University administration; so it seems I'll be around to >be around! That great! Now that I can finally read your messages on-line I'd hate to see you leave the mail list. :) Tryg Helseth Minneapolis, MN, USA or "I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" -The Beach Drakes From trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu Fri Feb 18 14:35:26 1994 From: trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu (Tryg Helseth) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 94 07:35:26 CST Subject: US and WDC indices Message-ID: <17594.trygve@maroon.tc.umn.edu> On Fri, 18 Feb 1994 10:22:45 +0100, Harry Fluks wrote: >Great! Thanks Tryg, and thanks Per. I just got the files and had a brief look >at them. I think it's not that difficult to add Gladstone/Disney reprints >issues from our other indices, that is, if that's what we want. I had intended (logn ago) to add the Gladstone / Disney reprints to those lists, but got too busy with other things... >I think this list could be merged with (at least) Kjell Crone's index, and >I'll think of a suitable format in the near future... Some sort of master index would certainly be useful. >Especially the "Not CB" entries are interesting. I found one small error >though: the Gyro story in U$ 40, "Posthasty Postman", IS by Barks. Thanks for pointing that out. I'm sure that's not the only error. BTW, a couple of the Whitman cross-references may be missing too as I never did locate all those issues that were only distributed in bags of 3... Tryg Helseth Minneapolis, MN, USA or "I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" -The Beach Drakes From Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se Fri Feb 18 16:32:07 1994 From: Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se (Mattias Hallin) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 16:32:07 +0100 Subject: LIST of INTRODUC(K)TIONS Message-ID: <01H91D1RABDWA0UG6O@castor.ldc.lu.se> ******************************************************************* HELLO THERE, EVERY ONE ON THE "DISNEY-COMICS" LIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Here at long last is the first attempt at a list of introduc(k)tions of ourselves -- not too many on it, I'm afraid; but so far I've only gotten this many personal presentations. SO -- if YOU want to be on this list of the list -- send an introduc(k)tory note about yourself to the undersigned at ! For obvious reasons, the first introduc(k)tion will be my own. All my Ducky Best!!! Mattias ******************************************************************* Well, my name is Mattias Hallin, I'm 29 years old (born in 1965), and work in the administration of Lund University, Lund, Sweden, at the registrar's office and in the University archives. I majored in History, and also did some Archeaology and Anthropology/Ethnology. I've tried my hand at a Ph.D. thesis in History, but has presently shelved that project for reasons of gotta-eat. Furthermore, I'm a part-time proof-reader, student and musician -- the latter on banjo, guitar and to some extent cornet; I play Classic 1920's Jazz/Traditional Jazz/Swing -- call it what you will, but don't call it Dixieland! (The Word "Dixieland" should EITHER be a geographic term, OR denote the music played by WHITE musicians FROM New Orleans, between c. 1915-1925.) I'm a Carl Barks fan, ever since I was able to recognize "the good artist" -- and that was years before I knew his name! I'm also a board member of Swedish Donaldistic association NAFS(k), and with my brother co-editor-in-chief of the fanzine NAFS(k)uriren. ******************************************************************* Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 07:01:13 -0500 From: dubach1 at husc.harvard.edu Hello! My name is Joev Dubach, and I'm a senior at Harvard (in the easily-drawn snow-covered state of Massachusetts.) I'm from Seattle, which I naturally prefer to Boston (my hometown can beat your hometown!) I'm working on graduating with a degree in Math and Computer Science, after which I plan to get a real job. I found out about this list through the r.a.c. FAQ, being a regular reader of racm, and, on a lark, decided to subscribe. I haven't bought a Disney comic since I was four feet tall, which is what drives me to lurk; I just don't know that much. But the wonderful discussion on this list is driving me ever closer to trying some current Gladstones, and I'm particularly intrigued by the discussion of The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck. Does anyone have a recommended cheap starting point for Carl Barks' Ducks? There's so much of it out there, in very different forms and intersecting contents, that I'm a bit daunted. Anyhow, thanks for the enlightening discussion! (That should be enough of an introduction, I think. Bye now!) Joev ******************************************************************* Name: Marshall T. Allen, commonly called Mark Born in Oak Ridge Tennesee, USA in 1954, moved to Maryland in 1957, and currently live in Elkridge, Maryland, USA (SW of Baltimore). Gainfully employed as a contract negotiator for the Johns Hopkins University's Applied Physics Laboratory in Laurel, Maryland, USA. Interested primarily in the Ducks and the FG Mouse, but collect any Disney comic I can afford. ******************************************************************* Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 15:28:19 +0100 From: bjorn-are.davidsen at s.televerket.tele.no Subject: Introduction to Bjorn Are Davidsen As one of the most eager lurkers on the list (and contributor every second month), I am glad for this opportunity to introduce myself! This is written somewhat hurrily, and as a bit more of a listing than it perhaps should have been. Name: Bjorn Are Daviden (the "Bjorn" is with a Norwegian "oe"). Working place: Norwegian Telecom, Network Division, Product Developement (which means mainly network access services like ISDN, Centrex, VPN and so on, and related to terminal based services like videophone (for some reason seldom seen in Barks or other Disney series). I live in Oslo and beside lurking/participating on the list I am married (two children, 3.5 and 0.7 years). When I have time off from my dear children and wife I (and my wife just as much) read a LOT (Science Fiction, Chesterton, Detective Stories, Tolkien, Lewis, Solsjenitsyn, Historical novels, Historical non fiction - sometimes called History (By the way, Marco Polo did really visit Constantinople as I pointed out last autumn, but - as I also pointed out - as the first one I think - several decades after the Fourth Crusade of 1204), comics (besides Gottfredson, Barks and Rosa everything from Terry and the Pirates to Sandman), theology, sociology and more. And I listen (and participate in various fan clubs) to music (Emerson, Lake and Palmer, Gentle Giant, Beatles, Hendrix and others). Besides, I write regularly articles to Norwegian magazines/papers on history, theology, music, comics and other subjects I enjoy. As you may imagine, there is not much time left to write to the digest... My particular Donaldistic interest is anything and everything by Barks, Gottfredson, Taliaferro and Rosa. Yours Bjorn Are ******************************************************************* I have no problem with being including in your introduc(k)tion file, since I have already posted a couple of things about myself to the list in the past. I'm a charter member, since Per and I had exchanged E-mail maybe twice before, based on postings to rec.arts.comics. One thing I have told the list is my age, since I was worried that I appeared to be the oldest member. I was born in 1949. I learned that at least 2 other people on the list are older than I am (by 1 and 5 years), but I suppose I should not reveal who those geezers are, in case they want to continue to be taken seriously by the young folks who read their postings. Anyway, I learned to read by following the words and pictures in WDC&S during the early 1950's, and I've remained hooked on stories of the Duckburg universe ever since then. The other item which I posted to the list is that my favorite story may be con- nected to my profession: I was always especially fascinated by Barks's "Land Beneath the Ground", and now I am a seismologist! Truthfully, I cannot say whether there is any connection there, but I can't dismiss the possibility. I suppose if there is anything more that I should add to your introduc(k)tion file, it is that I live in Alexandria, Virginia (just across the Potomac River from Washington, D.C.). However, I refuse to be held responsible for any actions by the US Government! Wilmer Rivers rivers at seismo.css.gov ******************************************************************* My name if Fredrik Ekman. I am a 23-year-old student from Sweden, and like all other Swedes of my (and several previous) generation, I have been reading and enjoying Disney comics for as long as I can remember. Thus, I'm naturally also a member of the Swedish donaldist organization NAFS(k). Currently, I am doing my third year at a college in Ronneby. This college (located in the in some circles rather well-known Soft Center) is specialized in computer science educations, and that is also what I am studying. When this semester is finished, I hope to have the Swedish equivalence of a bachelor exam. When it comes to Disney comics, I especially enjoy those by Carl Barks (of course), Don Rosa and William Van Horn. I also read a lot of other comics and my favourite creators outside Disney are Alan Moore, Steve Gerber and Marten Toonder, to mention but a few. I generally prefer a good story to fancy art. When I do not study, play with my computer or read comics I may possibly be found doing one of the following things: Reading books (you know, the ones with no pictures in them), training Ju-Jutsu or singing in a choir. ******************************************************************* Harry Fluks: male, single, born in 1962, Dutch nationality. Address: Harry Fluks Burg. Caan van Necklaan 250 2262 GN Leidschendam The Netherlands I have studied econometrics (with lots of computer science) at the university of Groningen. I now work at the research department of the Dutch mail and telephone company (PTT). My family had a subscription to the Dutch DD Weekly from 1966-1972. After that, I was considered too old for that stuff. In 1977, I started to collect 2nd-hand comics myself. The first time I learned about Carl Barks was in the foreword of the Dutch "Beste Verhalen van Donald Duck" #4, in 1977. One year later, I read the Dutch "Barks Boek" by Rob Stechweij. It gave a (largely erratic) index on all Barks stories. Since then, I tried to make my own index, which became computerised in 1983, and public (on our ftp site) in 1992/1993. Only in 1986, when I moved from Groningen to Leidschendam (near The Hague), I found out that in the cities in this area in Holland, there were some comic specialty shops that sold American comics, like Gladstone comics. Nowadays I try to read all my Disney material in sequence: when I'm finished with the last issue, I start again with the first. Such a cycle can take 2 or 3 years... I have a subscription (again) to the Dutch Donald Duck, and I only buy foreign Disney comics (German, USA) if they contain interesting stories. Since my Barks, Jippes and Gottfredson collections are a good as complete, I have much fun in trying to get a complete Rosa collection. I try to collect Disney comic stories, but not at all cost: I have a sort of maximum price per page. If a comic is considered rare and expensive, I try to get a reprint. I'm collecting comic STORIES, not comic ISSUES. In 1992, I helped De Geillustreerde Pers (the Dutch Disney publisher) in publishing a complete library of Barks stories. They used my (forementioned) index, which I think is the most complete Barks index in Holland. Other hobbies include reading, (Dutch) language, geography, and my current work. (That's it.) --Harry. ******************************************************************* ******************************************************************* From David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu Sun Feb 20 23:32:25 1994 From: David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu (David A Gerstein) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 1994 17:32:25 -0500 Subject: Updates for the US Index Message-ID: <9402202232.AA08739@bigbird.cc.williams.edu> Dear Folks, I downloaded the file "us" -- the index of US 1-83 -- onto my computer, and added the Gladstone and Disney data from our other index. What should I do with the file now? Do people want it? Do they think I should upload it, or do you feel the Gladstone-Disney.Index is enough? (My feeling is that we should upload it anyway, because we already have the earlier version of the index.) A few interesting things. A lot of the Scrooge long adventures have been reprinted four times as of now (prior to the beginning of CBLUSA albums next fall), not counting the Celestial Arts book or the older, hardback CBLs. One has actually been heaved onto the press FIVE times -- yes, "The Midas Touch." According to Gladstone, the next two years will see many of the Carl Barks long adventures that previously were in "old" Gladstone albums reprinted again in issues of USA and DDA. They will appear again not long afterwards in CBLUSA and CBLDDA albums. What does everyone here think? I'm tired of those stories myself, but I ALSO realize that the albums had low circulation and that many people who didn't get them will be glad to own these coming comics. On the other hand, I think that while people may buy a 10-pager in a comic and then again in an album (where it comes with four other stories, which the reader might not own), they may be less likely to do the same with a long story. Most albums in the CBL series will have 2 long adventures, I'm thinking. People will be able to get those adventures without buying the CBL albums, simply by buying 2, not 5, regular comics. I'm worried this may hurt the sales of the new albums... But what alternative is there to printing long Barks stories in USA and DDA? How many foreign stories out there are shorter than Italian 70-pagers and also very good? Are there many long Dutch and Danish stories which are much better than, say, DDAD 33's very unexciting "Sobbing Serpent" story? (That's not to say that no Italian stories will be used -- in fact some are scheduled by Gladstone now, but they can't be used too often since they take up a lot of space and must be serialized) Sincerely, David Gerstein "I'm the Fuller Brush Man! I'm givin' g'way free semple!" From trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu Mon Feb 21 03:22:55 1994 From: trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu (Tryg Helseth) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 94 20:22:55 CST Subject: Updates for the US Index Message-ID: <16804.trygve@maroon.tc.umn.edu> On Sun, 20 Feb 1994 17:32:25 -0500, David A Gerstein wrote: > I downloaded the file "us" -- the index of US 1-83 -- onto my >computer, and added the Gladstone and Disney data from our other >index. What should I do with the file now? Do people want it? Do >they think I should upload it, or do you feel the Gladstone-Disney.Index is enough? Wow! That was fast! I don't know about others, but I would like to see it. I thought about this a bit, and came to the conclusion that even if the information is in the Gladstone index, it is not sorted by original title. I would guess that Per could just replace the existing lists with your updated versions. > A few interesting things. A lot of the Scrooge long >adventures have been reprinted four times as of now (prior to the >beginning of CBLUSA albums next fall), not counting the Celestial Arts >book or the older, hardback CBLs. One has actually been heaved onto >the press FIVE times -- yes, "The Midas Touch." Yeah, I noticed that certain stories get re-used quite frequently while others seldom get reprinted. I'm sure Gladstone has thier reasons, but it would be nice to have a more even distribution on reprints. >On the other hand, I think that while people may buy a 10-pager in a comic >and then again in an album (where it comes with four other stories, which >the reader might not own), they may be less likely to do the same with >a long story. Most albums in the CBL series will have 2 long adventures, >I'm thinking. People will be able to get those adventures without buying >the CBL albums, simply by buying 2, not 5, regular comics. I'm worried >this may hurt the sales of the new albums... I would like to see other material (non-Barks stuff) in the regular comics. (How many copies of a story does one need anyhow?) I don't know about other folks, but I'm running out of space to put all this stuff and am going have to consider either clearing out some of the stuff I already have, or stop buying new stuff. >... (That's not to say that no Italian stories will be used -- in >fact some are scheduled by Gladstone now, but they can't be used too >often since they take up a lot of space and must be serialized) I wouldn't mind serialization if it means getting stories I haven't seen before... Tryg Helseth Minneapolis, MN, USA or "I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" -The Beach Drakes From 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM Mon Feb 21 07:46:33 1994 From: 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM (Don Rosa) Date: 21 Feb 94 01:46:33 EST Subject: Disney-comics digest #246. Message-ID: <940221064632_72260.2635_EHK41-2@CompuServe.COM> EVEN: I checked my own photocopies of the original art that I made before sending that Olympics story off, and I'll be danged if there wasn't a lil' Lemming with a Locket right where you said. I had completely forgotten I'd stuck him in there! I must have done it as an afterthought while inking (which is when I stick in sometimes what I think are the funniest bits), and therefore forgot all about it -- though that's still odd since I did that story so recently. I guess the main reason is that I really didn't like doing that tale much, and blotted everything about it from my memory. From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl Mon Feb 21 09:37:04 1994 From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 09:37:04 +0100 Subject: Updates for the US Index Message-ID: <199402210837.AA17173@athena.research.ptt.nl> David: > I downloaded the file "us" -- the index of US 1-83 -- onto my > computer, and added the Gladstone and Disney data from our other > index. What should I do with the file now? Do people want it? Do > they think I should upload it, or do you feel the Gladstone-Disney.Index > is enough? Tryg: > Wow! That was fast! I don't know about others, but I would like to see it. > I thought about this a bit, and came to the conclusion that even if the > information is in the Gladstone index, it is not sorted by original title. But sorting is a simple thing if you have a computer... I added the Gladstone-Disney information to your WDC list. I'll send it to you in private mail. This is what I meant when I said "adding that information should be easy". But it is getting a problem when new information has to be added. We already have (several) lists that list basically the same. I am seriously thinking of a computer program to generate the various lists from one master database. We discussed this before here. Fredrik, Per and others had the same idea then, and the same amount of spare time (which means NONE). I do have some time now, and I think I'll start programming and finding out the right format of the "master database". --Harry. Harry PTT Research ()_() Disney comics INDEX freak Fluks Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl "Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!" From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl Mon Feb 21 10:08:13 1994 From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 10:08:13 +0100 Subject: Long non-Barks stories; German Auto Albums (?) Message-ID: <199402210908.AA18681@athena.research.ptt.nl> David: > But what alternative is there to printing long Barks stories > in USA and DDA? How many foreign stories out there are shorter than > Italian 70-pagers and also very good? You already know of some Danish time travel stories, and German 44-page stories (you mentioned them yourself in a letter to Disney). > Are there many long Dutch and Danish stories which are much better than, > say, DDAD 33's very unexciting "Sobbing Serpent" story? There are some Ben Verhagen stories which I think are very good (titles translated from Dutch): 25 pg. H 8768 U$ and the temple treasures of Gaos 21 pg. H 86230 U$ and the diamond of Duncan McDuck 30 pg. H 8869 U$ and the granite of Nibelungen 25 pg. H 8841 DD the money of Deckselsen Duck Other Dutch long stories are the (now famous) Big Sneeze story by Freddy Milton (H 8001, 31 pg.) and a few stories by Jan Gulbransson (H8296, 23 pg., and a 40-pager of which I have to look up the code). Gulbransson has an own drawing style, inspired by Barks. Apparently, the Dutch editors didn't like his work that much (just like Rosa's) because his stories were mostly published in b/w in summer/winter holiday specials, in stead of in the regular comics. This brings me to a question for our German member, Nikolaus: we know there was a German album series "Abenteuer aus Onkel Dagoberts Schatztruhe" and we know the contents. But there was also another album series, something like "Disney Auto Albums". Do you know how many issues there were and what they contained? (DAA #3 apparently contained a 47-page Gulbransson story). --Harry. Harry PTT Research ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak Fluks Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl "Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!" From trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu Mon Feb 21 13:58:50 1994 From: trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu (Tryg Helseth) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 06:58:50 CST Subject: Updates for the US, WDC, and other Indeces Message-ID: <16705.trygve@maroon.tc.umn.edu> On Mon, 21 Feb 1994 09:37:04 +0100, Harry Fluks wrote: >David: > I downloaded the file "us" -- the index of US 1-83 -- onto my >Tryg: > Wow! That was fast! I don't know about others, but I would like to see it. Harry: >But sorting is a simple thing if you have a computer... I added the >Gladstone-Disney information to your WDC list. I'll send it to you >in private mail. > >This is what I meant when I said "adding that information should be easy". Yes it is! After I sent that sent that message to David, I looked at the master Gladstone index and saw that it would be easy to update the WDC list also. I sorted the Gladstone index by original source and extracted the WDC lines to update the WDC index only to find that you had already done it! Now I won't have to merge it... Thanks. I guess when I was thinking about the work required to update the index, I wasn't thinking about the Gladstone index you folks had already prepared and how easy it that is to retrieve info from. Duh! (My only excuse is that I just got back from a weekend of showshoeing at the Mississippi headwaters, and hadn't readjusted to civilization yet... ) >But it is getting a problem when new information has to be added. We already >have (several) lists that list basically the same. I am seriously thinking >of a computer program to generate the various lists from one master database. >We discussed this before here. Fredrik, Per and others had the same idea then, >and the same amount of spare time (which means NONE). I do have some time now, >and I think I'll start programming and finding out the right format of the >"master database". With all this redundant (and possibly conflicting) information, a database certainly seems like the way to go. Were you guys contemplating "growing your own" database system, or using a commercially available one? (It sounds like you are building your own.) If you keep your database in a text format (like the Gladstone index) then anyone can download it and use various tools to retrieve info. I had thought of restructuring the info into several tables and loading them into a Paradox database. (But then, I don't have any more free time than you do...) Tryg Helseth Minneapolis, MN, USA or "I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" -The Beach Drakes From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl Mon Feb 21 16:00:42 1994 From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 16:00:42 +0100 Subject: Updates for the US, WDC, and other Indices Message-ID: <199402211500.AA06799@athena.research.ptt.nl> I wrote: me> I think I'll start programming and finding out the right format of the me> "master database". and Tryg replied: TH> With all this redundant (and possibly conflicting) information, a database TH> certainly seems like the way to go. Were you guys contemplating "growing TH> your own" database system, or using a commercially available one? I was thinking about plain ASCII. In that way, we don't need to worry about transferring strange file formats through the net. And the data entry could be done with one's favourite ASCII editor. TH> I had thought of restructuring the info TH> into several tables and loading them into a Paradox database. I have some bad experiences with Paradox... it does a lot of things, but sometimes not exactly what I want. If I write my own programs, they always do EXACTLY what I want... 8-) TH> (But then, I don't have any more free time than you do...) I do have some free time at the moment. So don't be surprized if I come with a "master database" one of these days. --Harry. Harry PTT Research ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak Fluks Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl "Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!" From gilbert at unix.campbellsvil.edu Mon Feb 21 17:53:07 1994 From: gilbert at unix.campbellsvil.edu (Gilbert Milburn) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 11:53:07 EST Subject: Different Comic News Message-ID: <9402211653.AA02389@unix.campbellsvil.edu> Hi all, This is a "Market Report" of the Top Publishers for Feb. 1994 and it comes from: February 17, 1994 - The Comics List Weekly - Vol. 4 No. 7 Part 5 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ (Thanks to Matthew High of Antarctic Press for providing these reports!) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 1994 00:06:25 -0500 (EST) From: ANTARCTIC at delphi.com Subject: Top Publishers for Feb 1994 Here's a quick list of the top publishers for January 1994, by dollar share of the direct market, as reported by Capital City. Publisher Year 92 10/93 11/93 12/93 Year 93 1/94 2/94 Marvel 45.76% 31.12% 31.12% 30.24% 33.43% 35.87% 32.41% DC 19.34% 20.28% 17.85% 20.04% 19.00% 18.32% 16.67% Image 12.18% 11.90% 8.75% 14.79% 6.96% 8.75% Valiant 4.11% 7.19% 8.35% 8.19% 9.35% 7.64% 7.51% Dark Horse 5.55% 3.57% 4.77% 4.44% 3.36% 5.00% 4.92% Malibu 8.55% 5.62% 4.39% 4.79% 3.52% 6.18% 4.58% Wizard Press 1.51% 1.38% 1.41% 1.81% 1.76% 1.50% 2.36% Defiant 1.66% 2.38% 1.20% .62% 1.03% 1.75% Kenner .02% .28% .08% 1.40% Warrior Publishing .80% .84% 1.37% .54% .72% 1.35% Bongo Comics 1.41% 1.48% .19% .47% .99% Topps Comics .22% 1.17% .73% .41% 1.25% .34% .98% Viz Comics .53% .57% .68% .60% .42% .91% .87% Continuity .26% 1.19% .96% 1.08% 1.33% .70% Comic Images .91% .78% .82% .79% .51% 1.12% .68% Gladstone .26% .22% .32% .45% .23% .43% .56% Triumphant Comics .24% .68% .58% .12% .58% .56% Fantagraphics .66% .31% .52% .42% .33% .39% .52% Kitchen Sink .18% .74% .32% 1.01% .58% .43% .47% Warp .16% .21% .36% .21% .18% .31% .46% Cartoon Books .01% .10% .09% .04% .05% .44% Express/Parody .23% .13% .54% .15% .26% .41% Dynamic Forces .23% .55% .30% .17% .38% Antarctic Press .09% .26% .17% .23% .13% .30% .38% Graphitti .17% .22% .36% 1.05% .24% .09% .35% Licensing Clothing .34% Lightning Comics .30% .26% .30% .10% .33% .28% Caliber .22% .18% .03% .11% .21% .15% .27% Archie .30% .19% .25% .21% .19% .27% .27% Heavy Metal .07% .42% .10% .26% Horizon .11% .38% .23% .24% .12% .33% .26% Attic Books .25% .22% .38% .16% .15% .24% .24% Catch-a-Star .18% .32% .09% .10% .07% .23% Mirage .24% .23% .25% .23% .22% .23% .23% Chaos Comics .09% .23% .07% .40% .23% Eclipse .47% .07% .38% .17% .14% .29% .23% Overstreet Pub .34% .25% .19% .24% .23% .25% .21% Axis Comics .47% .42% .29% .20% Majestic Entertain. .07% .17% .24% .03% .18% .20% Krause .15% .15% .08% .11% .10% .09% .20% Model Rectifier .08% .06% .20% Now Comics .65% .23% .18% .16% .25% .20% .19% Comico .50% .25% .16% .16% .31% .24% .19% Harris Comics .06% .52% .39% .33% .18% Harvey .15% .10% .44% .38% .21% .34% .18% New England Comics .19% .17% .07% .08% .07% .17% Revolutionary .19% .15% .12% .08% .08% .08% .16% Planet Studios .14% .14% .12% .21% .15% .14% .15% Millennium .30% .24% .04% .17% .11% .17% .14% Russ Cochran .16% .11% .11% .12% .11% .14% .14% Limited Treasures .07% .12% .09% .14% Palliard Press .02% .27% .14% Cry For Dawn .08% .04% .13% Dagger Enterprises .06% .13% .19% .13% .13% Rip Off Press .10% .07% .06% .03% .13% Dream Factory .13% Sky Comics .05% .16% .13% ....plus a whole buncha others. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- While I'm at it I thought I pass this along as well... Date: Fri, 18 Feb 94 00:18:00 BST From: c.lepage at genie.geis.com Subject: Kirby dedication book **> I would love to see a joint Marvel/DC and whomever else production **> called "The Great Stories Jack Kirby Ever Told". Featuring a **> Fantastic Four story (the coming of Galactus), a Jimmy Olsen story, **> etc. And the proceeds would ideally go to his charity of choice **> (some art school, I believe). This is a GREAT idea. The professionals in the audience need to push this idea with their honchos at DC and Marvel. The profits could go to the JACK KIRBY EDUCATIONAL FUND. For anyone who wants to donate any money to it in Jack's memory, here's the complete address: JACK KIRBY EDUCATIONAL FUND Temple Etz Chaim 1080 Janss Rd. Thousand Oaks, CA 91360 c.lepage at genie.geis.com 73654.2110 at compuserve.com 167 at 9434 (WWIV) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- That's it for now! Later, -Gil ********************* "I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us." ... -J. R. R. Tolkein Gil Milburn (Student of Fine Arts / Cartoonist) From andresen at cs.man.ac.uk Mon Feb 21 18:27:51 1994 From: andresen at cs.man.ac.uk (M93) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 17:27:51 GMT Subject: Long non-Barks stories; German Auto Albums (?) Message-ID: <9402211727.AA02703@t3g.cs.man.ac.uk> Harry wrote: > This brings me to a question for our German member, Nikolaus: > we know there was a German album series "Abenteuer aus Onkel Dagoberts > Schatztruhe" and we know the contents. But there was also another album > series, something like "Disney Auto Albums". Do you know how many issues > there were and what they contained? (DAA #3 apparently contained a > 47-page Gulbransson story). > I own one issue of the 'Disney Auto Album'-series, but sorry, since I'm in the UK at the moment, and my comics are in Germany, I can not tell you the number. What I remember is that only one issue of 'Auto Alben' contains a Barks story (the issue I own!), it's a Daisy Duck's Diary story, nothing special... This album also contains a long story with Mickey and Goofy (I forgot Goofy's english name) called 'Micky und Goofy und das Wunderauto' (Micky and Goofy and the magic car), about thirty pages. This story seemed to be very old (50ies?) but definitely not Gottfredson. Maybe it is the Gulbransson story you mentioned? But no, I think it wasn't 47 pages long and I don't know Gulbransson anyway. The story was about an oldtimer car Goofy owned which 'behaved' somewhat like a human, very amazing it was... And I know there were only published 3 or at most 4 issues of 'Auto Alben' (in the mid-80ies). If you're really interested in this album, I can find out more for you when I'm back in Germany in April. Nikolaus. From d91fe at uranus.pt.hk-r.se Mon Feb 21 21:02:36 1994 From: d91fe at uranus.pt.hk-r.se (Fredrik Ekman) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 21:02:36 +0100 Subject: Updates for the US, WDC, and other Indices Message-ID: <9402212002.AA28583@uranus.pt.hk-r.se> Harry wrote: > If I write my own programs, they always > do EXACTLY what I want... 8-) Don't count on it. My programs NEVER do exactly what I want. ;-) > > I do have some free time at the moment. So don't be surprized if I come with > a "master database" one of these days. That'd be great! I'm sorry I don't have the time to help out, but please post any ideas before you go ahead so that we can comment on them. /F From elon at vnet.IBM.COM Mon Feb 21 16:41:51 1994 From: elon at vnet.IBM.COM (Elon V. Brisola) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 16:41:51 SUM Subject: Long non-Barks stories; German Auto Albums (?) Message-ID: <9402212025.AA04751@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE> Hi, I've been lurking for a while, and I'm really amazed at all the knowledge of you fans. I'm from Brazil (any other Brazilians in this list?), and I've been a Disney comics fan since I was a small kid in the sixties. And as someone else said, I also learned to recognize CB stories before I ever heard of him. A small question: David wrote: > A few interesting things. A lot of the Scrooge long > adventures have been reprinted four times as of now (prior to the > beginning of CBLUSA albums next fall) Sorry, but what is CBLUSA? A CB stories reprint? That would be nice, though, for sentimental reasons, I prefer to read Disney stories in my native language (Portuguese). Does any of you Europeans share my feelings about stories in one's native language? Please, post something if/when this gets issued. Nikolaus wrote: > This album also contains a long story with Mickey and Goofy > (I forgot Goofy's english name) called 'Micky und Goofy und > das Wunderauto' (Micky and Goofy and the magic car), > about thirty pages. > This story seemed to be very old (50ies?) but definitely not > Gottfredson. I have that story in a mid-60's issue of the Brazilian Mickey magazine. I thought that, at that time, most of the Disney stories printed in Brazil came from the US, but I can be totally wrong. It was nice talking to you all, and it is nice to be hearing from you. (Again, if there is another Brazilian in the list, please email me). Cheers, Elon "Celacanto provoca maremoto" (National Kid, 1960) Elon V. Brisola - IBM Brazil Internet: elon at vnet.ibm.com From torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Mon Feb 21 21:58:16 1994 From: torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 14:58:16 -0600 (CST) Subject: Updates for the US Index In-Reply-To: <9402202232.AA08739@bigbird.cc.williams.edu> Message-ID: On Sun, 20 Feb 1994, David A Gerstein wrote: > Dear Folks, > A few interesting things. A lot of the Scrooge long > adventures have been reprinted four times as of now (prior to the > beginning of CBLUSA albums next fall), not counting the Celestial Arts > book or the older, hardback CBLs. One has actually been heaved onto > the press FIVE times -- yes, "The Midas Touch." > > According to Gladstone, the next two years will see many of > the Carl Barks long adventures that previously were in "old" Gladstone > albums reprinted again in issues of USA and DDA. They will appear > again not long afterwards in CBLUSA and CBLDDA albums. What does > everyone here think? I'm tired of those stories myself, but I ALSO > realize that the albums had low circulation and that many people who > didn't get them will be glad to own these coming comics. On the other > hand, I think that while people may buy a 10-pager in a comic and > then again in an album (where it comes with four other stories, which > the reader might not own), they may be less likely to do the same with > a long story. Most albums in the CBL series will have 2 long > adventures, I'm thinking. People will be able to get those adventures > without buying the CBL albums, simply by buying 2, not 5, regular > comics. I'm worried this may hurt the sales of the new albums... I recently posted the Gladstone/Disney listing from Diamond Previews. . If you look at it, you will discover that one story in the DC&S albums also appears in one of the comicbooks as well. > But what alternative is there to printing long Barks stories > in USA and DDA? How many foreign stories out there are shorter than > Italian 70-pagers and also very good? Are there many long Dutch > and Danish stories which are much better than, say, DDAD 33's very > unexciting "Sobbing Serpent" story? How about stories by Rosa and Van Horn? > (That's not to say that no Italian stories will be used -- in > fact some are scheduled by Gladstone now, but they can't be used too > often since they take up a lot of space and must be serialized) Gladstone should do what Disney does with their movies. That is, rotate the stories, so that a new generation (yes, their are actually children in the U.S. reading Disney Comics) discovers them. Disney uses a seven year or so rotation, and I am confident that Gladstone could find enough stories to fill seven years (the Barks WDC&S series will go 51 volumes, which is four years, three months). I purchase both the albums and the comicbooks. I purchase the albums because they are larger, have better paper, include essays not usually found in the comicbooks,, and because they are in chronological order, and therefore easier to find. I buy the comicbooks because there are a lot of U.S. Disney stories I haven't read, plus a lot of foreign stories as well. Even if I have read the story, it has been a while, and I usually have forgotten parts of it . Besides, even if I have read it before, it's still fun to read it again. I think the albums and the comicbooks are two different markets. First, albums are sold mostly via specialty stores, whereas the comicbooks are sold via stores and newsstands. Comicbooks are more disposable than the albums, and cheaper. Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA (via NZ) From trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu Mon Feb 21 22:22:15 1994 From: trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu (Tryg Helseth) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 15:22:15 CST Subject: Updates for the US, WDC, and other Indices Message-ID: <16710.trygve@maroon.tc.umn.edu> On Mon, 21 Feb 1994 16:00:42 +0100, Harry Fluks wrote: HF>I was thinking about plain ASCII. In that way, we don't need to worry about HF>transferring strange file formats through the net. And the data entry could HF>be done with one's favourite ASCII editor. Consdering the diversty of users and what tools they have, an ASCII data file would certainly be the most versitile. HF>I have some bad experiences with Paradox... it does a lot of things, but HF>sometimes not exactly what I want. If I write my own programs, they always HF>do EXACTLY what I want... 8-) Well yes, commercial programs alway have their design limits. Of course, if you ever decide to distribute your program to the rest of us, you soon will be deluged with requests new features and may begin to wish that it wasn't up to you to maintain it... :) Fredrik Ekman wrote: FE>Don't count on it. My programs NEVER do exactly what I want. ;-) No, but they probably do exactly what you tell them to do. :> HF> I do have some free time at the moment. So don't be surprized if I come with HF> a "master database" one of these days. FE>That'd be great! I'm sorry I don't have the time to help out, but please FE>post any ideas before you go ahead so that we can comment on them. I'll second that. I'd like an opportunity to comment on your ideas too, Harry. At one time I did have the WDC and US index in a database and had an opportunity to experiment various designs. Of course, too many "helpful suggestions" may dilute your efforts a bit... :) Tryg Helseth Minneapolis, MN, USA or "I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" -The Beach Drakes From David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu Tue Feb 22 01:47:52 1994 From: David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu (David A Gerstein) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 19:47:52 -0500 Subject: Various stuff In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 22 Feb 1994 01:18:12 +0100 Message-ID: <9402220047.AA05726@bigbird.cc.williams.edu> Dear Folks, A few things to comment on today. Disney Auto Albums ================== The 32-page story titled "Micky und Goofy und das Wunderauto" in German is Dick Moores' 1952 "The Wonderful Whizzix." It has been reprinted in this country more times than ANY other MM story, I believe. Its most recent reprinting was in 1990, in WDC&S 553-555. This is a favorite story of Don Rosa's, and I agree that Goofy is wonderfully developed in it, but I know that Rosa would never do a story with such obvious "My Mother The Car" overtones with the Ducks -- he'd find that far too hokey for Barks' realistic Duckburg! I tend to find it too hokey for Gottfredson's Mouseton (or Mouseville, or Hometown, or what have you) as well. The story involves the founder of a car company dying and his spirit inhabiting this car... Upcoming U$A and DDA: too much Barks? ====================================== Seems like we're partly split on this issue, but that more people would like to see less Barks and more foreign stuff. Again, EVERYONE who writes in on this topic is appreciated, because you know Gladstone's Gary Leach reads our comments and passes the important stuff on to John and Bruce! BTW, all of Van Horn's and Rosa's stories will be appearing here -- I didn't mean to imply that they won't be. Most WDC&S issues, and perhaps some DDs, will have Van Horn, and Rosa's work will appear in U$A aside from the already-running LO$, I believe. But I think that as of right now, there are fewer long foreign stories planned... mainly short ones, which will appear in the second halves of double-size U$A and DDA in the next two years. They'll also be in U$, and occasionally in regular-size U$A and DDA (although not too often I think). U$A 30 features "The Golden Fleecing" but will also have the first part of Romano Scarpa's "The Feast of Assurbanipal," a story about a treasure of *lentils* -- really!! -- from Babylon, and the low-down come-uppance Scrooge gets from them. U$A 30 is 64 pages. U$A 31 features the second part of the lentil story in a 32-page issue; #32 will have the conclusion of the 71-page lentil story as the backup story to another Barks adventure (which I don't know the identity of) in another 64-page issue. You get the idea. But I don't know how many issues of the 32-page variety will have foreign material like U$A 31 -- I suspect very few, but I actually have absolutely no idea, and John Clark has not told me, he just implied that we'd be seeing "most of the stories that were in our old albums again", or something to that effect. How do I know about the Assurbanipal story? Simple -- I'm in the midst of writing the American script now! The only reason I know anything about the format of U$A 30 and 32 is that I had talked with John about how the lentil saga would be broken up... I know nothing about other issues so far in advance as U$A 30. * * * * * In any event, let's hear what everyone has to say about the merits of Barks vs. foreign. I'm sure Gary and John will want to hear what we have to say. That's all for now, folks. Your friend, David Gerstein From Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se Tue Feb 22 09:46:57 1994 From: Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se (Mattias Hallin) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 1994 09:46:57 +0100 Subject: Diuerse Message-ID: <01H96KUUEU8KA0UH39@castor.ldc.lu.se> HELLO, ALL: A couple of days ago, I finally posted the introduc(k)tions list, version 1.0 -- and I'd just like to let you know how I plan to go on editing it: I intend simply to add any new intros at the top of the list, so that new material is thus immediately available for the discerning reader's perusal, while at same time shuffling all previous intros downward -- but still posting them every time, so that any newcomers since the previous posting gets the entire set of our autobiographies. Also, I'm thinking of posting the list of the list maybe once a month, or bi-monthly or sumpin' like that, depending on how many new intros are sent to me. Thus, I'd like to ask you all to please send me REVISED versions of your own intros if and when you think it necessary, and also to let me know if and when you might wanna get OFF the list-list. Finally, anyone who'd like to be ON the list-list in the first place -- please send a short autobiography/introduc(k)tion of yourself to ME (not to the list in general -- that'd spoil the effect!) at . BARKS vs FOREIGN: I'm a bit ambivalent on this issue -- I already own the original b/w Carl Barks Library, and am presently buying the CBL in Color as well as all the Gladstone Comic Books (ain't I a regular GOOD goy, eh, Gary?) -- and of course I do at times feel as if I'm one of P.T. Barnum's "born-every-minute"-chappies, buying the same product over and over and over. So, yeah, in a sense I guess I don't PERSONALLY get very excited about another Barks reprint in a Gladstone Comic Book (ho-hum! that's mah umpteenth reprint of WDC xxx -- how UTTERLY exciting...), but then again I don't get VERY excited about the more run-of-the-mill "foreign" stories either; probably because I grew up on that kinda duck-fare in "Kalle Anka $ C:o" and similar publications. I guess what I REALLY enjoy is Don's stories, and Van Horn's and the occasional Dutch story. I'm sorry, but I can't get excited over Vicar or Branca, however at their respective peaks they might be, their ducks still lack vitality to me. BUT I continue to buy every Gladstone issue, anyway, for several reasons: I'm always VERY keen to see Rosa and Van Horn published in English, I want to support my local dealer (the pocket-bookstore and comic store "Pocket" here in Lund), AND I want to support Gladstone -- because I'd be real sad to see American Disney Comics go the way of the Dodo bird!!! MY UPCOMING AMERICAN SOJOURN: will probably also take me to LaCrosse, Wisconsin, where we have been invited to play another festival approx. August 5th through 8th or soething like that. What is there to know about LaCrosse, WI??? I have to confess I never heard of it before? Hey, you yanks! Know anything? Hmm... All my best!!! Mattias From lrn at daimi.aau.dk Tue Feb 22 10:43:03 1994 From: lrn at daimi.aau.dk (Lasse Reichstein Nielsen) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 1994 10:43:03 +0100 Subject: from RoC Message-ID: <199402220943.AA05800@janne.daimi.aau.dk> "Comics: DONALD DUCK MASTER Somewhere in the world sits an American, who is a trained construction engineer and originally chosen to take over his fathers illustrious company, and spends all his time drawing Donald Duck stories. Don Rosa is his name, and he is by many considered a worthy heir to the living legend, Carl Banks. [sic.] Don Rosa is a specialist in Scrooge McDuck, and he is known for his teeming details. Rosa always starts with drawing the last page in a story, continues with the next-to-last, and so forth, until he reaches the middle, turns the table [idiom!] and starts on the first page. One of his most beloved stories, The Son of the Sun, is brought as a sup- plement to the latest issue of Donald Duck, and as a special exception, the publisher has sent review copies to the culture editors. Inf." [Information, July 26.th 1993] - "DUCKBURG'S ARCHITECT TO DENMARK The in comic circles legendary artist, Carl Barks, comes to Copenhagen in early June in connection with a tour of Europe, which will also take him to the other Scandinavian capitals. Carl Barks was the one who for Walt Disney designed the Duckburg uni- verse plus several of the characters - for instance in 1947 he invented uncle Scrooge. Today Barks is 92 years old. When he retired from Donald Duck he turned to oil paintings - which today are coveted collectors items and are traded for millions. Carl Barks has never before visited Europe. He will be recieved and celebrated as a cult figure. Inf." [Information, February 21.st 1994] These are quotes from my newspaper, Information; it only has ten pages a day and costs twice as much as other newspapers. It does however usually get it's facts straight and has run Doonesbury for some 20 years. The above looks like summaries of official Egmont press releases though. *Millions* for Barks' paintings?! Though the rate of DKr. is about 6,75 to a US dollar, it's a lot of money for a still-kickin' artist's works. 92 years old, going to Europe and all; I guess there are some really cynical people who are stocking paintings, just waiting for the old man to do them a favor, like lying down and stop breathing. Their oils will triple their value overnight. I just hope those yuppies don't cash in too soon, and plan to be in Copenhagen on June 9.th through 13.th. If I can't shake his hand, at least I can wave mine. From trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu Tue Feb 22 11:50:26 1994 From: trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu (Tryg Helseth) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 94 04:50:26 CST Subject: LaCrosse Wisconsin visit Message-ID: <16700.trygve@maroon.tc.umn.edu> On Tue, 22 Feb 1994 09:46:57 +0100, Mattias Hallin wrote: >MY UPCOMING AMERICAN SOJOURN: > > will probably also take me to LaCrosse, Wisconsin, >where we have been invited to play another festival approx. August 5th through >8th or soething like that. What is there to know about LaCrosse, WI??? I have >to confess I never heard of it before? Hey, you yanks! Know anything? Mattias: LaCrosse WI is getting dangerously close to where I live in Minneapolis, MN. It is about 145 miles (230 km) south east of here, and I have visited it many times. LaCross has a population of about 50,000 and is a college town. Many German settlers found there home there and so LaCross has become famous for their annual Oktoberfest celebrations. It borders the Mississippi river (with very scenic bluffs) and is on the edge of the "driftless zone", an area untouched by glaciers. If you like bicycling, there are several scenic routes nearby, the most famous being the tunnel-ridge trail that runs between Sparta and Elroy, WI. If you have any specific questions about the area, drop me a note and I can check it out for you. Tryg Helseth Minneapolis, MN, USA or "I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" -The Beach Drakes From shg at rhi.hi.is Tue Feb 22 12:20:28 1994 From: shg at rhi.hi.is (Sigurdur Hrafn Gislason) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 94 11:20:28 GMT Subject: New artist? In-Reply-To: <9402220031.AA10550@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE>; from "disney-comics@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE" at Feb 22, 94 1:31 am Message-ID: <9402221120.AA24521@hengill.rhi.hi.is> I was wondering who the new artist was who has made such stories as the McDuck chronicles and Donald as a windowcleaner (yes, I know Donald has been a windowcleaner in several stories but this one stands out, if you don't know then you haven't read it.). Note that I read these comics in Icelandic so the names may differ. This artist has come up with a unique hilarious style of detailed drawings combined with perfect facial expressions and character interaction. He seems to be creating the McDuck family from scratch. We get to meet Scrooge's parents and sisters in Scotland. His parents die and Scrooge decides to take his sisters with him to America. This was the first time I actually saw somebody die in a Disney comic and this was also the first time we get a glimpse of the Duck family. Scrooge's sisters will probably become the mothers of the characters we love. Who is this artist and where is he from? Has he written some other stories and is he going to follow the McDuck chronicles to the end? -- From Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se Tue Feb 22 13:16:56 1994 From: Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se (Mattias Hallin) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 1994 13:16:56 +0100 Subject: New artist? In-Reply-To: Your message dated "Tue, 22 Feb 1994 11:20:28 +0000 (GMT)" <9402221120.AA24521@hengill.rhi.hi.is> Message-ID: <01H96RP1DVX0A0UH8R@castor.ldc.lu.se> SIGURDUR: You were asking about the "new artist" behind the McDuck Chronicles and other similar stuff, and it's perfectly obvious from your description that you are talking about Don Rosa, who is as a matter of fact a member of this list, lives in Louisville, Kentucky in USA and has been drawing the ducks, in particular $crooge McDuck, since (I don't remember exactly, offhand) 1986 or 1987. Your feelings about Don's work seems to reflect that of most of us here on the list; for further and/or deeper information, I suggest that you delve into the ftp-files, where you'll find LOTS of information, both as indexes and as old postings. Ask Per Starback, or someone, if you don't know how to get to the ftp-files. And about the McDuck Chronicles (or, rather, "The Life and Times of $crooge McDuck), that is a 12-part serial, and it seems from what you wrote that you've seen at least the first nine parts of it; but I wouldn't be very surprised (I could even get a heartattack and DIE from not surprise!) if there is more $scrooge to come from Don Rosa's drawing-board. All my best Mattias Hallin Lund, Sweden From Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se Tue Feb 22 13:27:21 1994 From: Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se (Mattias Hallin) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 1994 13:27:21 +0100 Subject: Addendum to Sigurdur Message-ID: <01H96RSOVGVEA0UH8R@castor.ldc.lu.se> SIGURDUR: Forgot to tell you that: NO!!! Don does NOT create the McDuck family from "scratch", but bases his stories, in particular Lo$, on Barks' stories, and on real historical material. Mattias From 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM Wed Feb 23 14:51:37 1994 From: 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM (Don Rosa) Date: 23 Feb 94 08:51:37 EST Subject: Disney-comics digest #249. Message-ID: <940223135136_72260.2635_EHK30-2@CompuServe.COM> SIGURDUR: Don't believe Mattias -- he's fibbing! I'm not a subscriber to this list and nobody knows my name. I'm just another anonymous artist. There was "the Good Artist"... and now "the Unecessarily and Irritatingly Detailed Artist". From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl Wed Feb 23 17:41:34 1994 From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 17:41:34 +0100 Subject: Disney-comics Database Message-ID: <199402231641.AA00987@athena.research.ptt.nl> Here's my proposal for a Disney-comics Database format. This message is over 200 lines long, but I just read that Don Rosa is not a member of this list, so he can't complain about the length... Story code ~~~~~~~~~~ A unique STORY CODE is assigned to each story. The first letter of the code denotes the publisher (see our ftp file 'story-codes' for more explanation): USA - King Features Syndicate, daily newspaper strips: 'Y' + newspaper strip letter + space + date 'Y': an arbitrary letter; 'K' (King Features) is already in use for Disney Comics; 'D' (Daily) for Denmark... newspaper strip letter: D = Donald, M = Mickey, S = Scamp date: in the form yy/mm/dd, e.g. 94/02/28. Mickey Mouse sequels have a number in stead of a date; the start- and ending date vary, depending on the reprint. USA - King Features, sunday strips: 'Z' + newspaper strip letter + space + date (yy/mm/dd) In my Dutch index, I used a week number in stead of the date. That way it is easier to see if strips are missing. But I don't think it's a good idea to keep using it. USA - Western (Dell/Gold Key) 'W' + space + series code (4 characters, left aligned) + issue number (max. 4 characters, right aligned) + '-' + position number in the comic (2 digits). Total length always 12 characters. examples: W OS 1234-01 W BDDUS 1-01 W WDC 456-FC We can make a list of Western series abbreviations (see Crone's index) I propose either 'OS' or 'FC' for the Four Color Comics/One Shots. Denmark - Gutenberghus / Egmont 'D' + 2 spaces + 4-digit code, or 'D' + space + 5-digit code USA - Disney Studio's 'S' + space + 5-digit code (4-digit codes from 1963-1972 will be preceded by a '6' or '7') Holland - Oberon / Geillusteerde Pers 'H' + space + 5-digit code (a code like H 8302 normalized to H 83002), or 'H' + space + normalized code (for codes from 1978 or earlier; see Dutch index) For the other publishers, we use mainly the codes they deliver themselves, maybe with some normalization: USA - Gladstone (AR) USA - Disney (K) Italy (I) Germany (G) Brazil (B) France (F) Database files ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ We have two kinds of files in the database: story files and issue files. The story files list everything about the particular stories, the issue files list specific information about the issues, and contain references to the story files. Both kinds of data files are in a readable form, so that data entry can be done in a "user friendly" way with an ascii editor. Apart from the database files, there are the 'list' files. These are files, generated from the database files, with information in the form that most people want it. List files could be: - Carl Barks list with reprints - Gladstone/Disney list - Gottfredson list with reprints - Gerstein's K-index (Our 'don-rosa' and 'van-horn' lists will not be generated from the database, because they have a lot of extra information that doesn't fit (?)) Story files ~~~~~~~~~~~ These files contain one line per story with information that can be used in the various lists, and zero or more lines with extra information that will not be accessible for other lists (e.g. exact dates for pencilers/ inkers in the Mickey Mouse newspaper files). Data fields: - story code (12 characters) - number of entire pages (2 characters should be enough...) - indication for number of broken pages: space = none, '+' = somewhere between 0 and 1 (need we be more exact?) - (start) date, in the form yy/mm/dd This can be used in (MM) newspaper sequels (where the dates are not in the code). It also can be used for the delivery dates of Carl Barks' stories (as mentioned in my Dutch Barks index). (I don't think we need the issue dates of Western's comics. Or do we?) - end date, only used in (MM) newspaper sequels - creator codes (3 characters) for: plotter (spaces if equal to writer) writer artist inker (spaces if equal to artist) - title hero (2 [or 3?] characters. DD, US etc. We'll need a list of Disney characters. I like Tryg's abbreviation for Gyro: GY is better than the GG or GyG we used so far. - title tag (2 characters): T: original title R: story has no original title, title of one of the reprints given D: story never had a title, some "official" Gladstone description given O: story never had a title, the indexer gives an own description H: Dutch title or description (I plan to create H-lists and D-lists from my Dutch index, but I don't plan to translate all the titles! If a story is reprinted in the USA, that title can be listed. Or should we list both?) - title or description I know Per prefers additions like 'in' and quotes, as in: T:DD in "No Such Varmint". I myself prefer a title without any additions, and all lower case, like: T:no such varmint It seems desirable to separate the title hero from the (rest of the) title. That would mean titles like: T:in "No Such Varmint" which I think makes less sense. How shall we do this? - remarks Is it OK to put Tryg's information about occurring characters here, or should it be a separate entry? Remember: we only have that information for a very limited set of stories. It seems not suitable to reserve a special field for this in all story-files. Issue files ~~~~~~~~~~~ In the first conversion, the current files like 'gladstone-disney.index' will be used as issue files, since we can't have all the printed stories in story files (for instance because we don't know the exact code, or because it's a cover). So, issue files can contain complete story information, or a reference to a story, or a mixed form, e.g. when the number of pages or title etc. are different in the reprint. We have one problem with the Western comics, where Story file and Issue file have an overlap (see the current Crone files). WE can keep these files and use them both as Story files and as Issue files. Data fields: - issue code. We already have well-defined codes for Gladstone and Disney comics, but maybe we should normalize them: the issue numbers always right aligned, e.g. WDC 570 AA 1 US 12 - story position number. In the Gladstone-Disney index, this is a letter, like a, b, etc. In Crone's Western list, it is a '/' and two digits (because issue code + position number == story code). - an indication whether the comic has been indexed completely: a '*' indicates that some data (like exact title and position number) may be wrong. (In Crone's Western list, the 'position number' also has a '*' in that case) - story code. - number of pages, if not the original - title, if different from the original (this should hardly occur) - USA scripter, if == David Gerstein (?) 8-) - additional remarks Current issue files (to be transformed): - gladstone-disney - swedish (from Crone's list, and maybe from the NAFS(k) list on ftp) - danish (only if Ole wants to do it...) - dutch That's it for now. Let the reviews begin... (Meanwhile, I'm gonna make some test databases and try some programming in C...) --Harry. Harry PTT Research ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak Fluks Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl "Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!" From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl Wed Feb 23 18:11:10 1994 From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 18:11:10 +0100 Subject: Disney-comics digest #248. Message-ID: <199402231711.AA01913@athena.research.ptt.nl> Nikolaus: ~~~~~~~~~ > I own one issue of the 'Disney Auto Album'-series, but sorry, > since I'm in the UK at the moment, and my comics are in Germany, > I can not tell you the number. (...) > If you're really interested in this album, I can find out > more for you when I'm back in Germany in April. I'm especially interested in original stories in that series. It seems that your album has only reprints. Elon V. Brisola: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > I'm from Brazil (any other Brazilians in this list?) We had one Brazilian lurker last year, but he may be gone now. > I prefer to read Disney stories in my > native language (Portuguese). Does any of you Europeans share my feelings > about stories in one's native language? For some strange reason, I always like Barks' story best when I can read them in Dutch. While I prefer the Rosa stories in English! Maybe it's because my first Barks story was in Dutch, and my first Rosa story (Last sled to Dawson) was in English? > It was nice talking to you all, and it is nice to be hearing from you. That's mutual! Maybe you can tell us something about the Disney comics in Brazil (Ze Carioca etc.). Any Barks or Rosa stories over there? Torsten: ~~~~~~~~ > (yes, their are actually children in the U.S. reading Disney Comics) Unbelievable... But that's not Gladstone's biggest market, is it? I always thought Gladstone's comics were meant for nostalgic adults and collectors. > I purchase both the albums and the comicbooks. I purchase the > albums because they are larger, have better paper, include essays not > usually found in the comicbooks (...) Can someone tell us what essays there are in Gladstone's albums? Most of the albums I have seen are wrapped in plastic (because of the trading card) so I can't see what's in them. And I don't buy a comics album with stories I already have 4 or 5 times, UNLESS there's a good article in it, or some previously unpublished artwork. > Even if I have read the story, it has been a while, and > I usually have forgotten parts of it . Besides, even if I have read it > before, it's still fun to read it again. I'm on a Barks diet nowadays. I have read all of Barks' work very often in the past 15 years. I almost know the stories by head. That's why I try to 'forget' them, so that I can read them 'fresh' in a few years... (I still BUY Barks, but I don't READ it.) --Harry. Harry PTT Research ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak Fluks Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl "Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!" From 73633.152 at CompuServe.COM Thu Feb 24 02:58:52 1994 From: 73633.152 at CompuServe.COM (Gary Leach) Date: 23 Feb 94 20:58:52 EST Subject: Disney-comics digest #250. Message-ID: <940224015851_73633.152_FHV154-1@CompuServe.COM> Yes, fans of the frenetic, I AM quietly sitting here reading all of your comments (or at least scanning them). Just want everyone out there to know that we are finally entering a rather interesting period in our publishing history at Gladstone, when not only Van Horn and Rosa are coming our way via Egmont, but stories by Michael T. and Janet Gilbert, Dave Rawson, Pat McGreel-all American writers-as well. We're just beginning to see these becoming available, but I've read a few and-no slight intended to the overseas writers-it will be nice to start using stories more in tune with the American audience. From mas at cs.bu.edu Thu Feb 24 03:57:49 1994 From: mas at cs.bu.edu (Mark Semich) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 21:57:49 -0500 Subject: Disney-comics digest #250. In-Reply-To: <940224015851_73633.152_FHV154-1@CompuServe.COM> (message from Gary Leach on 23 Feb 94 20:58:52 EST) Message-ID: <199402240257.VAA01781@csa.bu.edu> >From: Gary Leach <73633.152 at CompuServe.COM> > >Just want everyone out there to know >that we are finally entering a rather interesting period in our publishing >history at Gladstone, when not only Van Horn and Rosa are coming our way via >Egmont, but stories by Michael T. and Janet Gilbert, Dave Rawson, Pat >McGreel-all American writers-as well. We're just beginning to see these >becoming available, but I've read a few and-no slight intended to the overseas >writers-it will be nice to start using stories more in tune with the American >audience. This sounds very exciting!! Any word on what kind of stories these people are working on, or what characters they are interested in using? Any Mickey Mouse stories in the works? Donald and Mickey #23: ===================== Contains Barks' "Rocket Wing Saves The Day" and another "Don't Call Me Tut" story. All in all, pretty boring. However, the letters column is interesting - very varied reactions to "A Very Goofy Midas," including letters by Dana Gabbard, David Gerstein, and my humble self. (BTW, although I've already read this Barks story more than enough times, I *do* agree w/ Gladstone's policy of continuing to re-print Barks' stuff. I feel it important that new readers have the opportunity to read his stories.) WDC&S 590: ========== I like Daan Jippes, but Geoffry Blum seems to be losing his scripting skills. It just rubs me the wrong way to actually have someone in a Donald story say, "That dude awesome... NOT!" My overall impression is that his heart wasn't in it, but I may be wrong. From ajd105 at rsphy1.anu.edu.au Thu Feb 24 04:30:11 1994 From: ajd105 at rsphy1.anu.edu.au (ajd105) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 14:30:11 +1100 (EST) Subject: American stories Message-ID: <9402240330.AA25144@rsphysse.anu.edu.au> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text Size: 1840 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/19940224/fc31e584/attachment.pl From starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE Thu Feb 24 14:55:30 1994 From: starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Per Starback) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 94 14:55:30 +0100 Subject: Archive news Message-ID: <9402241355.AA14581@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE> Mattias wrote: > A couple of days ago, I finally posted the introduc(k)tions list, > version 1.0 -- and I'd just like to let you know how I plan to go on > editing it: I intend simply to add any new intros at the top of the > list, so that new material is thus immediately available for the > discerning reader's perusal, while at same time shuffling all previous > intros downward -- but still posting them every time, so that any > newcomers since the previous posting gets the entire set of our > autobiographies. Isn't that overkill? It's nice to know more about the people you converse with (I'd send you an introduc(k)tion of myself if I just had anything to say :-), but generally I don't think repeating postings is a good way of spreading stuff. I have a hard time of keeping up with the list myself anyway. (In fact I haven't even read the postings of the last week or so yet.) If anything should be posted regularly on the mailing list I think it should rather be a short note on how the list works, where the ftp archive site is, what is there, and how you access it. Anyway, I've added that list as a file "intros" on the archive site (host ftp.lysator.liu.se, directory pub/comics/disney) now, and will update it with future versions when they come. Other news: * David has updated "us", the Uncle Scrooge reprint guide, with Gladstone and Disney books. * David has also updated gladstone-disney.index with the Disney Comic Albums. (I changed that around a little, David, to make it confirm more to the overall style of the index.) -- " Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se "Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!" From gilbert at unix.campbellsvil.edu Thu Feb 24 16:22:40 1994 From: gilbert at unix.campbellsvil.edu (Gilbert Milburn) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 94 10:22:40 EST Subject: To Sigurdur, about Don's comments on Mattias' comments! Message-ID: <9402241522.AA05849@unix.campbellsvil.edu> Hello Fellow Fans of Disney (and Don Rosa!) In Disney-comics digest #250 Don Rosa <72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM> said: > SIGURDUR: > Don't believe Mattias -- he's fibbing! I'm not a subscriber to > this list and nobody knows my name. I'm just another anonymous artist. > There was "the Good Artist"... and now "the Unecessarily and > Irritatingly Detailed Artist". Sigurdur: *DON'T BELIEVE Don!* Believe Mattias instead, Don Rosa is one of the MOST *talented* artist/writer I have ever had the privileges to met, and to become moderately good friends (and hopfully STAYING! =) with! He is too modest most of the time and for some reason see himself as a no-talent!! When there's millions of guy out there like Mattias and I who love the to death! He just sets TOO high a stand for himself to match! Hey Don STOP beating yourself up!... ALL of US here on the list LOVE you and the work you do!!!! Okay? Take Care, Your Friend, -Gil ********************* "Uncle Cosmo ... why do they call this a word processor?" "It's simple, Skyler ... you've seen what food processors do to food, right?" -- MacNelley, "Shoe" Gil Milburn (Student of Fine Arts / Cartoonist) From Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se Thu Feb 24 15:11:39 1994 From: Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se (Mattias Hallin) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 15:11:39 +0100 Subject: Archive news In-Reply-To: Your message dated "Thu, 24 Feb 1994 14:55:30 +0100" <9402241355.AA14581@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE> Message-ID: <01H99O7QQALWA0UJ2T@castor.ldc.lu.se> PER (and all the others): I don't quite agree with you there -- as I said, my idea breaks down into two parts: a) you shouldn't necessarily have to go look in the ftp for the latest introduc(k)tions, and b) it wouldn't mean more reading for those who've already seen older versions, since they'd only have to scan the first few intros, until they reach the warning "previous introduc(k)tions below", after which they could just delete the whole thing -- while at the same time our newcomers -- whom I am inclined to believe are the least ready to dig into the ftp -- would get a complete version fairly soon after joining up. These are MY thoughts -- any comments, anyone? If several of you (like, f'rinstance those who "pay-to-read") disagree with me, I'll do as Per suggests, instead! Hmm...? Mattias From trec62bv at ciao.trail.bc.ca Thu Feb 24 22:29:09 1994 From: trec62bv at ciao.trail.bc.ca (Trent Cusator) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 13:29:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: hi Message-ID: Hi this is Trent asking if you guys write the Disney Comics? From rreeves at acs.bu.edu Fri Feb 25 00:23:42 1994 From: rreeves at acs.bu.edu (Robert Reeves) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 94 18:23:42 EST Subject: Albums vs. Comic Books In-Reply-To: ; from "Torsten Wesley Adair" at Feb 21, 94 2:58 pm Message-ID: <9402242323.AA35247@acs3.bu.edu> Torsten Wesley Adair said: ...I buy the comicbooks because there are a lot of U.S. Disney stories I haven't read, plus a lot of foreign stories as well. Even if I have read the story, it has been a while, and I usually have forgotten parts of it . Besides, even if I have read it before, it's still fun to read it again.... Since I bought the complete hardbound "library" from a fellow who needed $$ to buy model trains, I've stayed away from the albums. The comic books on the other hand seem to be more 'fun.' After the first couple of weeks with the library I seemed to be looking at it less and less. I would never sell it though, odd as that may be. Maybe it's like those boxed-set CD collections that are all the rage, you know you should have it (as a permanant reference) but the 'originals' are like old friends. Or maybe I am just rambling.... -robert From torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Fri Feb 25 01:18:44 1994 From: torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 18:18:44 -0600 (CST) Subject: Albums vs. Comic Books In-Reply-To: <9402242323.AA35247@acs3.bu.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 24 Feb 1994, Robert Reeves wrote: > Since I bought the complete hardbound "library" from a fellow who needed $$ to > buy model trains, I've stayed away from the albums. The comic books on the > other hand seem to be more 'fun.' After the first couple of weeks with the > library I seemed to be looking at it less and less. I would never sell it > though, odd as that may be. Maybe it's like those boxed-set CD collections > that are all the rage, you know you should have it (as a permanant reference) > but the 'originals' are like old friends. My favorite Disney comics are dog-eared Gold-Key/Western issues from the 1960s and 1970s. Now, about reprints... I remember some decent Gold Key stories with Moby Duck. Is there a reason why he hasn't appeared recently? And what do you all think about using Emil Eagle (Super Goof's foe) as a Duck villain? I think he would make a decent nemesis for the Junior Woodchucks. Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA (via NZ) From David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu Fri Feb 25 04:02:05 1994 From: David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu (David A Gerstein) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 22:02:05 -0500 Subject: DD 284? Anyone have news about it? In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 25 Feb 1994 01:18:17 +0100 Message-ID: <9402250302.AA04969@bigbird.cc.williams.edu> Dear Folks, I read WDC&S 590 quite a while ago. Mark Semich commented that "I like Daan Jippes, but Geoffry Blum seems to be losing his scripting skills. It just rubs me the wrong way to actually have someone in a Donald story say, "That dude is awesome... NOT!" Actually I don't mind this. It was a CROW who said it, and crows are sleazy, scavenger birds. Hi-Ho, the Carrion Crow -- remember? If any bird would attempt to sound hip, it's a crow. Remember the later Gyro story where Gyro's Helper talked to birds? The birds were specifically identified as not very bright, and thus they spoke in hipster lingo of the time, complete with "Daddy-O." Isn't that just as dated as this? (Or maybe this is the pot calling the kettle black -- I can see where you wouldn't like the Barks hip-talk either, Mark.) When I saw Geoffrey Blum's script, I was groaning and moaning. Not because I didn't like it -- I *loved* it myself. I was moaning because it seemed to me to be a thousand times better than MY script for the Dutch story in the previous issue... certainly more imaginative. Ah, well, I hope I'll improve with time, just like vintage wine. I thought "The Hoard at the Rainbow's End" was a cut above the WDC&S 589 story, and I think a few that are coming up are pretty good. But like Don Rosa, I *always* have a hard time with my older work. BTW Mark, I have gotten the US 285s from you now. Thanks a million! I love them, of course. I'll send some money for them soon. I didn't forget. * * * ATTENTION! * * * NOW MOST IMPORTANTLY: Has anyone got DD 284??? WHAT Taliaferro material is in this comic? I know that the DD "Silly Symphony" Sunday strip ended in Dec. 1937, and we were at the beginning of December 1937 at the end of DD 284. There should only be a very few SS Sundays in DD 284. What then? Do we start with Jan. 1938 dailies, or do we jump ahead to 1939 when Donald got his own Sunday strip again? I'm really looking forward to the dailies myself. David Gerstein From David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu Fri Feb 25 04:05:54 1994 From: David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu (David A Gerstein) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 22:05:54 -0500 Subject: Rocket Wing redux In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 25 Feb 1994 01:18:17 +0100 Message-ID: <9402250305.AA05302@bigbird.cc.williams.edu> P. S. Gladstone kinda blew it with "Rocket Wing." The story was reprinted by Disney in a regular comic, their 3-D special, in summer 1992. I know very few fans who missed that special edition. Or many who didn't have eyestrain after reading it ;-) BTW The 1933 Gottfredson Sunday strip in that comic is reprinted NOWHERE else. P. P. S. Maybe Gladstone decided to print "Rocket Wing" anyway because the 3-D printing, with major changes in the art to make it 3-D, didn't count as a "real" reprint to Gladstone. In that case I'd like to see that MM Sunday strip again... ;-) From mas at cs.bu.edu Fri Feb 25 06:13:22 1994 From: mas at cs.bu.edu (Mark Semich) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 1994 00:13:22 -0500 Subject: DD 284? Anyone have news about it? In-Reply-To: <9402250302.AA04969@bigbird.cc.williams.edu> (message from David A Gerstein on Thu, 24 Feb 1994 22:02:05 -0500) Message-ID: <199402250513.AAA29226@csa.bu.edu> David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu writes: >.... The birds were >specifically identified as not very bright, and thus they spoke in >hipster lingo of the time, complete with "Daddy-O." Isn't that just >as dated as this? (Or maybe this is the pot calling the kettle black >-- I can see where you wouldn't like the Barks hip-talk either, Mark.) Ah, but I *do* like the Barks hip-talk, *and* the "Daddy-O" lingo, both very much so. Part of the reason that I like your dialog work as opposed to Blums current stuff is that I find yours to be more reminiscent of Barks' classic, free-wheeling work. Maybe the "NOT!" stuff was too contemporary for me (even though "Not!" in that usage has actually been polluting our language for centuries...) It struck me as forced and just plain not-funny. > NOW MOST IMPORTANTLY: Has anyone got DD 284??? WHAT >Taliaferro material is in this comic? I know that the DD "Silly >Symphony" Sunday strip ended in Dec. 1937, and we were at the >beginning of December 1937 at the end of DD 284. There should only be >a very few SS Sundays in DD 284. What then? Do we start with Jan. >1938 dailies, or do we jump ahead to 1939 when Donald got his own >Sunday strip again? > > I'm really looking forward to the dailies myself. Unfortunately, I'm not sure of the year - the strips in 284 seem to be dailies and are dated 2/7 through 3/16 with a couple of gaps. The strip dated 2/23 is the only one to show one of Donald's nephews (Louie judging by the color scheme.. :-) ) From 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM Fri Feb 25 06:30:12 1994 From: 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM (Don Rosa) Date: 25 Feb 94 00:30:12 EST Subject: Disney-comics digest #251. Message-ID: <940225053011_72260.2635_EHK28-1@CompuServe.COM> GIL: Take it easy. Maybe I'm just falsely modest to fish for complements. Or you should be the fly on my ceiling not more than 5 minutes ago before I got up from the drawin' board and was cussin' myself because I couldn't get a view of Donald anywhere near right. From James_Williams at ESS.NIAID.pc.niaid.nih.gov Fri Feb 25 13:52:26 1994 From: James_Williams at ESS.NIAID.pc.niaid.nih.gov (James Williams) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 94 07:52:26 EST Subject: Disney-comics digest #251. Message-ID: <2d6df48a@ESS.NIAID.pc.niaid.nih.gov> >Since I bought the complete hardbound "library" from a fellow who >needed $$ to buy model trains, I've stayed away from the albums. The >comic books on the other hand seem to be more 'fun.' I know exactly what you mean. Comic books come in so many different shapes and sizes these days. Everything from hardcover volumes, square bound books, magazine size, trade paper backs.... But, I've found that my favorite format by far is a normal comic book. James Williams From krieg at ct.med.ge.com Fri Feb 25 22:43:33 1994 From: krieg at ct.med.ge.com (Andrew Krieg 5-5379) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 94 15:43:33 CST Subject: Disney-comics digest #251. Message-ID: <9402252143.AA23199@ct.med.ge.com> Gary Leach said: >>Just want everyone out there to know >>that we are finally entering a rather interesting period in our publishing >>history at Gladstone, when not only Van Horn and Rosa are coming our way via >>Egmont, but stories by Michael T. and Janet Gilbert, Dave Rawson, Pat >>McGreel-all American writers-as well. Cool! Does that mean we'll be seeing Mr. Monster going after Bombie Zombie and Witch Hazel?? :^) Just kidding! But what is Michael Gilbert working on? I've always enjoyed his work, since I first saw it in Elric all those years ago. From 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM Sat Feb 26 04:57:50 1994 From: 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM (Don Rosa) Date: 25 Feb 94 22:57:50 EST Subject: Disney-comics digest #252. Message-ID: <940226035749_72260.2635_EHK36-1@CompuServe.COM> HARRY FLUKS if you're there: I am currently assisting the Germans in translating "Guardians of the Lost Library", and they have been supplied all my recent corrections and changes by Gladstone. So, you might tell your friend at GP that if they wait to use the German version, they will be getting the version with all the corrections and all colored. From d91fe at hyperion.pt.hk-r.se Sat Feb 26 05:29:19 1994 From: d91fe at hyperion.pt.hk-r.se (Fredrik Ekman) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 94 05:29:19 +0100 Subject: Disney-comics Database Message-ID: <9402260429.AA03409@hyperion.pt.hk-r.se> Harry wrote: > Here's my proposal for a Disney-comics Database format. And here are my comments. Let me just say first that I think you have done a brilliant job on this so far. Most of my comments are just minor remarks. > Story code > ~~~~~~~~~~ > [...] > For the other publishers, we use mainly the codes they deliver themselves, > maybe with some normalization: Yes, some sort of normalization would be necessary. Perhaps also a reasonably "smart" program to take care of such normalization on behalf of the user (ie, you don't have to remember the exact format for a code when you make a search). > Database files > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > [...] > (Our 'don-rosa' and 'van-horn' lists will not be generated from the database, > because they have a lot of extra information that doesn't fit (?)) At least we'll keep them until we see that we CAN generate more or less identical files from the database. > Story files > ~~~~~~~~~~~ > These files contain one line per story with information that can be used > in the various lists, and zero or more lines with extra information that > will not be accessible for other lists (e.g. exact dates for pencilers/ > inkers in the Mickey Mouse newspaper files). Why not just state that every line beginning with a semi-colon (or whatever) is treated as a comment and let this be true for the issue files as well? That way you can squeeze in all the extra info you want. > Data fields: > > [...] > - number of entire pages (2 characters should be enough...) Should is the keyword here. However, as you know, there are some Italian comics with well over 100 pages. True, these are mostly split up in several parts, each with their own unique code. BUT, when some of these are published in thick paperbacks in Sweden and other countries, they are in one part and often with all codes save the first removed. Thus, if some lunatic were to index these in the future and did not know (or did not care) about this, he/she would need three characters. So if we can afford three characters for this field, I suggest we use that, just to make sure. > - indication for number of broken pages: > space = none, '+' = somewhere between 0 and 1 (need we be more exact?) No, '+' should do. > - (start) date, in the form yy/mm/dd Isn't the international standard yy-mm-dd? If I didn't get some kind of explanation, yy/mm/dd would confuse me at least. > - title hero (2 [or 3?] characters. DD, US etc. We'll need a list of > Disney characters. I like Tryg's abbreviation for Gyro: GY is better than > the GG or GyG we used so far. Two characters should be enough. Little Bad Wolf and a few others could cause problems, but LW is good enough, I think. I, too, like GY. > - title tag (2 characters): > T: original title > R: story has no original title, title of one of the reprints given > D: story never had a title, some "official" Gladstone description given > O: story never had a title, the indexer gives an own description > H: Dutch title or description (I plan to create H-lists and D-lists from > my Dutch index, but I don't plan to translate all the titles! If a > story is reprinted in the USA, that title can be listed. Or should > we list both?) > > - title or description > I know Per prefers additions like 'in' and quotes, as in: > > T:DD in "No Such Varmint". > > I myself prefer a title without any additions, and all lower case, like: > > T:no such varmint > > It seems desirable to separate the title hero from the (rest of the) title. > That would mean titles like: > > T:in "No Such Varmint" > > which I think makes less sense. > How shall we do this? This is where I have my only major disagreement with you. I think this should be in the issue files. Unnecessary? Well, that field will be filled with spaces in the issue files anyway, right? And that way, it will be easier to fit in (say) the Danish titles of Ole's index or any other future non-american indices. The story files would include a description, normally the original English title in the same form that you propose above. The issue file title would then be in Per's format (which I too prefer, if we have to go with your proposal). The obvious disadvantage with all this would obviously be that someone will have to type in BOTH the story file description AND the issue file title for any new entries. Well, you can't have everything. :-) I'd like your comments on this one, Harry. > - remarks > Is it OK to put Tryg's information about occurring characters here, or > should it be a separate entry? Remember: we only have that information > for a very limited set of stories. It seems not suitable to reserve > a special field for this in all story-files. Why not just on comment lines like those I suggested above? > Issue files > ~~~~~~~~~~~ No comments here, except for those already given above. > Current issue files (to be transformed): > - gladstone-disney > - swedish (from Crone's list, and maybe from the NAFS(k) list on ftp) > - danish (only if Ole wants to do it...) > - dutch If noone beats me to it (I've quite a lot to do these days) I will also make issue files from the Swedish info in the Rosa and Van Horn indices, so that it will be possible to make database searches on those stories, at least. > That's it for now. Let the reviews begin... The only thing that I really missed from your post was info about how you plan to make the programs, especially the user interface. Will you have command line parameters, or do you plan to invent your own database language? The latter would certainly be preferrable if we still plan to make an email service out of this (like someone proposed when this was discussed in the past). Also; will the user be able to do case-insensitive searches and the like? Another feature I'd like to see in the program(s) is generation of (optional) legends for each output produced. Such a legend would consist of a short natural language description of what the output consists of and explanations for used abbreviations. Here is an nonsense example of how that could look: "This file is created with the [name of program, et c]. It contains information about: Stories by Carl Barks published in WDC 100-200. Used abbreviations for creators: CB = Carl Barks Used abbreviations for comics: WDC = Walt Disney's Comics and Stories Used abbreviations for characters: DD = Donald Duck [et c]" Info of this sort is really quite easy to generate. It would of course require that the program have access not only to the story/issue files but also to the files explaining all those abbreviations. /F From jonlo at ifi.uio.no Sat Feb 26 17:28:04 1994 From: jonlo at ifi.uio.no (Jon Cato Lorentzen) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 1994 17:28:04 +0100 Subject: Emil Eagle vs. Junior Woodchucks Message-ID: <19940226162804.507.dyggve.ifi.uio.no@ifi.uio.no> Torsten Wesley Adar wanted our thoughts about using Emil Eagle in Duck comics. This has already been done several times here in Norway, mostly in the 70s and early 80s, pitting Emil against Gyro Gearloose. Not very good stories, though. I can also remember at least one incident where Emil Eagle was put up against the Junior Woodchucks. In the story, Emil created winds with a machine in a cave in the park. A very average story. I have never considered Emil as only Super Goofs foe, he has been used just as much with Gyro here in Norway, in fact, he has been used with almost all the ducks one time or another, I believe. About Moby Duck. He was in a lot of stories in the 70s, and (flame me) I liked many of them. But this is probably because I was just a kid then, and read my Disney comics to shreads, and I don't think I would have liked those stories as much if I had read them for the first time today. Jon C. Lorentzen From 73633.152 at CompuServe.COM Sat Feb 26 17:57:32 1994 From: 73633.152 at CompuServe.COM (Gary Leach) Date: 26 Feb 94 11:57:32 EST Subject: Disney-comics digest #252. Message-ID: <940226165731_73633.152_FHV115-1@CompuServe.COM> In general, the US writers I mentioned began their Disney careers with Disney Comics, then moved on to Egmont when the former downsized and the latter offered practically the only gainful Disney comics employment in the world for American creators. Even our assistant editor Gary Gabner made the move when necessity dictated. Don, of course, made the move much earlier due to Disney's snotty policies on original art and such. Michael T. Gilbert has done a few Mickey's (he and Janet collaborated in many cases) as well as a couple Duck stories, and they're quite good, and already worked out in American idiom. As I remarked on before, this sort of thing oughta breathe a little fresh air into an admittedly somewhat stale US Disney comics environment. By the way, William Van Horn is currently working on the art to Carl Barks' new story, and it should be delivered to Egmont in fairly short order. Ironic, isn't it, that even Barks has had to take his business overseas. From David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu Sat Feb 26 18:52:39 1994 From: David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu (David A Gerstein) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 1994 12:52:39 -0500 Subject: Donald dailies in DD 284. In-Reply-To: Your message of Sat, 26 Feb 1994 01:18:08 +0100 Message-ID: <9402261752.AA04603@bigbird.cc.williams.edu> Dear Folks, Mark Semich said that the Donald newspaper strips in DD 284 seemed to be dailies... sounds like they must have gotten through the Sunday strip in DD 283 then, unless there are a few Sundays opening up DD 284's Taliaferro section. He also mentioned a few gaps in dates. Maybe Disney has banned some strips... but most probably those gaps are where there were SUNDAYS! (Not Sundays with a DD strip printed, since there was no Sunday strip in 1938.) As of 1990, the only banned Taliaferro strips from 1938 were a full week or two where Donald was at an Indian reservation. I hope no more have been banned since then... but it seems as if SOMEONE has been looking through the strips for something to ban, because since 1988 the 10/17/37 strip with the first app. of the Nephews has been banned. And BTW, I remembered wrongly that the dailies began in Jan. '38. We'll know if these are the first dailies if the first week includes: A) Donald feeding seals at the circus (accidentally) B) Donald climbing a mountain C) Donald trying to hang a picture and failing. I believe those are the first three. I know of another one that belongs in the first week: D) Donald takes a bath in the sidecar of a police motorcycle, after filling it with water, only to end up in jail. This seems like prime banning material, but Disney didn't used to have it banned (Gladstone did run it circa 1989), and they've let a lot of strips run in recent DDs where Donald ended in jail. Is this among the reprints this issue? That's all for now. David Gerstein From clawton at TFS.COM Sat Feb 26 20:04:00 1994 From: clawton at TFS.COM (Chris Lawton) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 94 11:04 PST Subject: Other old Disney Comics writers. Message-ID: Hiya gang! Last night I reread Roger Rabbit #1. Tonight, I'll move on to #2... :) When I was finished, I realized I didn't really know what it was that caused the "Fall of Disney Comics". It was the Roger Rabbit comics that got me interested in comics. I was really sad to see Roger Rabbit end and some of the others... So where did most of the people go? Was it just economics that forced the end? How about a recap? Chris Mickey's #1 Fan!! P.S. For Gladstone: More Mickey!! More Mickey!! More Mickey!! ...and... Will Roger ever return to comics? P-P-Please? :) From David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu Sat Feb 26 20:34:47 1994 From: David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu (David A Gerstein) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 1994 14:34:47 -0500 Subject: Comic preview magazine data wanted Message-ID: <9402261934.AA05695@hancock.cc.williams.edu> Dear Folks, Anyone have the new issue of either DIAMOND PREVIEWS or ADVANCE COMICS? Seems to me we'd have information about a new month of Gladstones, these being June's issues such as DDA 27, WDC&S 592 and US 287. Perhaps there will also be a mention of WDCiC 1, but of course this will be just resolicited as DD 286 next month. Still, it would be interesting to hear what they say about the now-aborted series... Yours, David Gerstein "I'm the Fuller Brush Man! I'm givin' g'way free semple!" From mas at cs.bu.edu Sat Feb 26 23:32:24 1994 From: mas at cs.bu.edu (Mark Semich) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 1994 17:32:24 -0500 Subject: Donald dailies in DD 284. In-Reply-To: <9402261752.AA04603@bigbird.cc.williams.edu> (message from David A Gerstein on Sat, 26 Feb 1994 12:52:39 -0500) Message-ID: <199402262232.RAA04933@csa.bu.edu> (message from David A Gerstein on Sat, 26 Feb 1994 12:52:39 -0500): > He also mentioned a few gaps in dates. Maybe Disney has >banned some strips... but most probably those gaps are where there >were SUNDAYS! (Not Sundays with a DD strip printed, since there was >no Sunday strip in 1938.) The gaps seem to be: 2/13, 2/20, 2/27, 3/3, 3/6, and 3/13. All of these dates (except for March 3rd which was a Thursday) were Sundays in 1938. So it looks like there is only one missing strip. > And BTW, I remembered wrongly that the dailies began in Jan. >'38. We'll know if these are the first dailies if the first week >includes: > > A) Donald feeding seals at the circus (accidentally) > B) Donald climbing a mountain > C) Donald trying to hang a picture and failing. These are the 1st, 2nd, and 4th strips in 284.. :-) (the 3rd, dated Feb 9th, involves Donald fixing a flat tire.) > D) Donald takes a bath in the sidecar of a police motorcycle, >after filling it with water, only to end up in jail. > > This seems like prime banning material, but Disney didn't used >to have it banned (Gladstone did run it circa 1989), and they've let a >lot of strips run in recent DDs where Donald ended in jail. Is this >among the reprints this issue? Yup! From hellman at proxxi.uf.se Sat Feb 26 11:56:42 1994 From: hellman at proxxi.uf.se (Bror Hellman) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 1994 11:56:42 +0100 (MET) Subject: Disney-comics Database In-Reply-To: <9402260429.AA03409@hyperion.pt.hk-r.se> Message-ID: Fredrik Ekman: > > Data fields: > > > > [...] > > - number of entire pages (2 characters should be enough...) > if some lunatic were to index these in the future and did not know (or > did not care) about this, he/she would need three characters. So if we > can afford three characters for this field, I suggest we use that, just > to make sure. Ouch! Well, I feel the pain in my gut.. :-) I'm one of there "lunatics" to Index these. Please leave three characters... > > - (start) date, in the form yy/mm/dd > > Isn't the international standard yy-mm-dd? If I didn't get some kind of > explanation, yy/mm/dd would confuse me at least. WHy don't we just skip the separators all together? (yymdd) It'll save two bytes off every record. Steamboat Willie ---------------------------------------------- ... Does The Little Mermaid wear an algebra? ---------------------------------------------- Internet: hellman at proxxi.uf.se, DuckNet: hellman at 313:100/13.0 From 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM Sun Feb 27 05:54:24 1994 From: 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM (Don Rosa) Date: 26 Feb 94 23:54:24 EST Subject: Disney-comics digest #253. Message-ID: <940227045423_72260.2635_EHK46-1@CompuServe.COM> CHRIS LAWTON: Naturally, with being constantly reminded that you're "Mickey's #1 Fan", I'm beginning to get the impression that you're Mickey's #1 Fan. But now I see you saying that what got you interested in Disney comics was their ROGER RABBIT -- this implies that the first Mickey comics you ever saw were those that Disney created in 1990-91. THOSE were stories that made you Mickey's #1 Fan? *THOSE*??? I'm also compelled to say something about the idea that Roger Rabbit attracted someone to "Disney comics". I might have enjoyed WHO FRAMED ROGER RABBIT as much as the next guy, but I see him as clearly the anathema to Disney -- the total opposite of all that was Disney. Roger Rabbit represents the very type of cartoon character that Disney was so proud to be NOT associated with for 60 years, but which Disney finally decided to capitulate to and embrace to cater to the modern American who grew up on Warner Brothers' manic not-so-wholesome zaniness. I see nothing in Disney's ROGER RABBIT or MICKEY MOUSE comics that represented Disney comics. (I also question the whole idea of taking Roger Rabbit, whose appeal was a cartoon character in the world of live action, and putting him in comic books where he was a comic character in a world of...comic characters? Wha...?) Disney comics ceased publication because people stopped reading them in DROVES. They took Gladstone's circulations of 80,000 and decimated them to less than half that. Stores in Oslo that sold 400 issues of Gladstone's Disneys, couldn't sell 1/4 that many Disney Disneys. Readers around the world recognized Disney's Disneys as having nothing of the spirit of true Disney comics of the previous 50 years, and reacted by not buying them. The only people I've noticed who seemed to like Disney's Disneys were youngsters attracted to their TV titles, and who thought these were what Disney comics were all about. I can see a possible anology between this and a fan of old Donald Duck animated cartoons who thought it would be odd that Dell's Donald comics attracted ME to Donald, when Dell's comics had little if anything to do with the Disney Donald. Bob Foster was the only guy there that seemed to have read a Disney comic prior to showing up for work, and when he gained more power toward the end, things improved. But the damage was done. I doubt that Gladstone will soon revive the Disney line as I can tell in my convention travels that American readers clearly feel that Disney comics are now tainted... soiled... not to be trusted... and they aren't willing to give them the attention they had in the late 80's before Disney started mucking about. It's like, "Why should I get interested again? I'll be betrayed like before!" The decrease in interest in the wake of Disney's Disneys is quite tangible! Gladstone has a steep uphill battle -- I'm not even betting the farm that I'll get to see my entire "Lo$" in English. From David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu Sun Feb 27 20:50:19 1994 From: David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu (David A Gerstein) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 1994 14:50:19 -0500 Subject: Other old Disney Comics writers. Message-ID: <9402271950.AA06570@bigbird.cc.williams.edu> Dear Folks, Chris Lawton commented that: "Last night I reread Roger Rabbit #1. Tonight, I'll move on to #2... :) When I was finished, I realized I didn't really know what it was that caused the 'Fall of Disney Comics'." When you get to Roger Rabbit #4, in which the main story, like many others after it, is completely incomprehensible, and then to #6, in which the art begins going downhill (reaching a low, I find, in #13), you will see what caused that fall. The stories become very bizarre, with the villains' motives meaningless and contrived, and the drawings of characters are woefully unexpressive. Roger in particular. In one issue (#13 again) Roger is so grotesque he's uncomfortable to look at! There are things not to like in the earlier, better issues, too: they obviously felt that the coloring had to be garish since the stories revolved around a "toon". As a result, any type of subtlety was lost. There ARE some excellent RR stories in the series, though: I'm referring to the *backup* stories, usually by Doug Rice and Bill Langley. These stories, such as "Hare Apparent," "Gym Dandy," and "The Candy Caine Mutiny," are really Roger as he should be in comics. The main stories in the issue usually draw Roger as the ugliest damned thing I've ever seen, while these backup stories, with beautifully smooth linework and a magnificently realized version of Roger, are very good. Unfortunately, Disney didn't realize that the good sales were (apparently) due to Rice and Langley, because when that team stopped doing regular backups around #10, the series' sales began dropping quickly! A testament to this is the RR 3-D special that was done in summer '92 (quite hard to find, IMO), long after the regular series ended. It was composed of reprints, and ONLY Rice and Langley stories were considered to be worth reprinting. There are good stories in the TOONTOWN series as well, although the Roger openers could have been better. However, the stories with Jessica and the others are superb. Unfortunately, the fate of this series was sealed even before it had a chance to be a success. It's very, very notable that the most successful stories done with RR -- those early backups -- were the only ones in anything like the classic Disney comic style... or at least closer to it than the other RR comic book material. Everything else was done in an approximation of the Marvel style. It was the attempt to imitate Marvel that, I find, alienated most fans of Disney comics as they had been until 1990. Sincerely, David Gerstein From clawton at TFS.COM Sun Feb 27 22:53:00 1994 From: clawton at TFS.COM (Chris Lawton) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 94 13:53 PST Subject: Old Disney Comics Message-ID: Hiya gang! DON ROSA: > Naturally, with being constantly reminded that you're "Mickey's >#1 Fan", I'm beginning to get the impression that you're Mickey's #1 >Fan. But now I see you saying that what got you interested in Disney >comics was their ROGER RABBIT -- this implies that the first Mickey >comics you ever saw were those that Disney created in 1990-91. THOSE >were stories that made you Mickey's #1 Fan? *THOSE*??? Ouch! A tough hit... well, actually yes, it was "those" stories that first got me interested. I started a new job in 1990 and there was a newstand near by that carried the Disney Comics. Well, I bought them, enjoyed reading them at lunch and that's what got me started. As for the "Mickey's #1 Fan" stuff, it was not the comics at all that made feel that way. (It was the fact that it was something that my fiancee and I had in common when we first met) But as for the comics, The Mickey Mouse Adventures were all I had seen. I had never even seen a non-duck title before that. (Of course, I never really looked inside a Disney comic, or any other comic for that matter. I can't even remember ever reading them as a kid!) So what could I compare it to? For me, The Disney Comics were the only thing goin'. > I'm also compelled to say something about the idea that Roger >Rabbit attracted someone to "Disney comics". I might have enjoyed WHO >FRAMED ROGER RABBIT as much as the next guy, but I see him as clearly >the anathema to Disney -- the total opposite of all that was Disney. >Roger Rabbit represents the very type of cartoon character that Disney >was so proud to be NOT associated with for 60 years, but which Disney >finally decided to capitulate to and embrace to cater to the modern >American who grew up on Warner Brothers' manic not-so-wholesome >zaniness. I disagree. Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck *are* different. I don't think the character of Roger Rabbit would ever utter the words "This means war!". Or do some crazy violence to another character just because he's there like Foghorn Leghorn and the Hound Dog. Roger Rabbit is pure nice guy - just a bit more zany than Mickey and the rest of the Disney group. In my (humble) opinion, Roger fits in with the rest of the gang quite well. He does fill a hole that was always there. I think the folks at Disney were right on when they added Roger Rabbit. >I see nothing in Disney's ROGER RABBIT or MICKEY MOUSE comics >that represented Disney comics. I really can't comment here as I haven't seen enough of Gladstone or others... >(I also question the whole idea of taking Roger Rabbit, whose appeal >was a cartoon character in the world of live action, and putting him in >comic books where he was a comic character in a world of...comic >characters? Wha...?) You've got a point here. However, when Roger stayed totally in the cartoon world some really neat stuff was presented. For example: the comic adaptaions of new Maroon Cartoons. I have yet to see any other Disney (current publisher included) Comic seem so fast paced and action filled. It sometimes seemed that you could actually be watching a real cartoon. A great thing to acomplish with print. > Disney comics ceased publication because people stopped reading >them in DROVES. They took Gladstone's circulations of 80,000 and >decimated them to less than half that. Stores in Oslo that sold 400 >issues of Gladstone's Disneys, couldn't sell 1/4 that many Disney >Disneys. Readers around the world recognized Disney's Disneys as having >nothing of the spirit of true Disney comics of the previous 50 years, >and reacted by not buying them. The only people I've noticed who seemed >to like Disney's Disneys were youngsters attracted to their TV titles, >and who thought these were what Disney comics were all about. I can see >a possible anology between this and a fan of old Donald Duck animated >cartoons who thought it would be odd that Dell's Donald comics attracted >ME to Donald, when Dell's comics had little if anything to do with the >Disney Donald. > Bob Foster was the only guy there that seemed to have read a >Disney comic prior to showing up for work, and when he gained more power >toward the end, things improved. But the damage was done. I doubt that >Gladstone will soon revive the Disney line as I can tell in my >convention travels that American readers clearly feel that Disney comics >are now tainted... soiled... not to be trusted... and they aren't >willing to give them the attention they had in the late 80's before >Disney started mucking about. It's like, "Why should I get interested >again? I'll be betrayed like before!" The decrease in interest in the >wake of Disney's Disneys is quite tangible! Gladstone has a steep uphill >battle -- I'm not even betting the farm that I'll get to see my entire >"Lo$" in English. A pretty dismal picture you paint here. I hope you don't win that bet! As a *very* uneducated Disney comic reader, I'd like to be able to see more. I'm just now starting to get into the ducks! (although there's still something about Mickey :)...) I wan't to see how Scrooge got to where he is! Chris Still... Mickey's #1 Fan!! :) :) From torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Mon Feb 28 00:40:08 1994 From: torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 1994 17:40:08 -0600 (CST) Subject: Disney-comics digest #253. In-Reply-To: <940227045423_72260.2635_EHK46-1@CompuServe.COM> Message-ID: > that represented Disney comics. (I also question the whole idea of > taking Roger Rabbit, whose appeal was a cartoon character in the world > of live action, and putting him in comic books where he was a comic > character in a world of...comic characters? Wha...?) Ahem. Actually, Roger Rabbit is a comic strip actor. Like Fabio and other male models, Roger makes his living by being photographed for comic strips. To discover the REAL Roger Rabbit, read Gary Wolf's (I think that's the right name) Who Censored Roger Rabbit? . Torsten Adair's doppleganger torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE,USA (via NZ) From David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu Mon Feb 28 02:40:07 1994 From: David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu (David A Gerstein) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 1994 20:40:07 -0500 Subject: Of mice and rabbits In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 28 Feb 1994 01:18:09 +0100 Message-ID: <9402280140.AA21651@hancock.cc.williams.edu> Dear Folks, Fer gosh sakes! I may not shout about it all the time, but *I* am, no-holds-barred, Mickey Mouse's greatest fan. Well, okay, the greatest fan of _Gottfredson's_ Mickey. And the Mouse of the earlier cartoons. (CHRIS: This means war! ;-) On to the Roger Rabbit bit... Actually, Gary Wolf liked the Disney version of Roger enough to use *that*, I believe, as the basis of his more recent Roger book, _Who P-P-P-Plugged Roger Rabbit_ (1991). The title alone shows how closely this one adheres to the film version... I don't know how compatible it is with the earlier Roger book, but I'm given to guess... not much. * * * * * I am going to forcibly stop myself from continuing a goofy (sorry, Goofy) thread of arguing about who is Mickey's biggest fan, and from going on any more about Roger Rabbit things not related to the comic book version. If people want to talk about them, I'll be glad to air a discussion on rec.arts.disney. BTW, my favorite cheese is Camembert -- Mickey's favorite! Your friend, David Gerstein "Boy! A box! Another minute and that cannibal tom cat would be picking me out of his teeth!" From 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM Mon Feb 28 05:07:08 1994 From: 72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM (Don Rosa) Date: 27 Feb 94 23:07:08 EST Subject: Disney-comics digest #254. Message-ID: <940228040707_72260.2635_EHK35-2@CompuServe.COM> CHRIS LAWTON: I have read your last set of comments. I am quite surprised at what made you a "Disney comics fan" and suspect that you actually AREN'T. If it's Roger Rabbit that you like, either the comic book or the movie, I would suggest that Disney is NOT what you should be reading (or watching) at all. Roger Rabbit and "Maroon Cartoons" are exaggerated imitations (if possible) of Tex Avery's Columbia, MGM and Warner Brothers cartoons of the 30's and 40's... as I said, the very sort of cartoons that were the OPPOSITE of the restrained and artistic Disney type. Nothing in Roger Rabbit was a tribute to Disney. I think you are going to be sadly disapponted when you finally see what REAL Disney (i.e. DELL Disney) comics are all about. From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl Mon Feb 28 10:06:08 1994 From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 10:06:08 +0100 Subject: Updates for story-codes Message-ID: <199402280906.AA13372@athena.research.ptt.nl> I got some remarks from Per and David about the new version of the 'story- codes' file on ftp. I'll make the discussion public in case anyone knows more. The debate is about the 'intermezzos' in the European 'pocket books' between the Italian stories. There are pages between the various stories making the entire contents of a book one story. David wrote to me: > I now have decisive proof that > the Intermezzos in older pocket books are French -- I have a French > pocket book from the late 1960s. It contains Scarpa's "MM as the > Emperor of Calisota," as well as some other stories... The issue has > the intermezzos, well prior to when the Germans published > pocket-books. And Per wrote, that he thought (or knew?) that the intermezzos are Italian, he even knew the name of the artist (?) Could you give us some more information, Per? (Or someone else?) --Harry. From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl Mon Feb 28 10:25:53 1994 From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 10:25:53 +0100 Subject: disney comics fans Message-ID: <199402280925.AA14356@athena.research.ptt.nl> DON ROSA to Chris Lawton: > I have read your last set of comments. I am quite surprised at > what made you a "Disney comics fan" and suspect that you actually > AREN'T. There are so many kinds of Disney comics that I think one can say one's a Disney comics fan without having seen one single Dell comic story. I know one fan who has seen nothing more than the Danish Vicar and Branca stories, and he LIKES them. He doen not know what he's missing, of course... but you can't say that he's NOT a Disney comics fan. --Harry. From AREID at MARY.FORDHAM.EDU Mon Feb 28 10:46:43 1994 From: AREID at MARY.FORDHAM.EDU (Darin Reid) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 04:46:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: disney comics fans In-Reply-To: <199402280925.AA14356@athena.research.ptt.nl> Message-ID: <762428803.684189.AREID@MARY.FORDHAM.EDU> :)DON ROSA to Chris Lawton: :)> I have read your last set of comments. I am quite surprised at :)> what made you a "Disney comics fan" and suspect that you actually :)> AREN'T. :) :)There are so many kinds of Disney comics that I think one can say one's :)a Disney comics fan without having seen one single Dell comic story. :) :)I know one fan who has seen nothing more than the Danish Vicar and Branca :)stories, and he LIKES them. :)He doen not know what he's missing, of course... but you can't say that :)he's NOT a Disney comics fan. :) I don't mean to disturb the peace-level of the list but I must say this: Don: You are not the sole judge of what a "real" Disney comic is, and I feel that your responses to Chris are quite rude, and out of place. A Disney comic is a comic put out/or liscenced to be put ot by Disney. I see no reason why someone should be given a hard time for liking Roger Rabbit. -Darin From H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl Mon Feb 28 11:47:27 1994 From: H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl (Harry Fluks) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 11:47:27 +0100 Subject: Replies to Don and Fredrik (Re: Disney-comics digest #253.) Message-ID: <199402281047.AA22114@athena.research.ptt.nl> Don Rosa: ~~~~~~~~~ > I am currently assisting the Germans in translating "Guardians > of the Lost Library", and they have been supplied all my recent > corrections and changes by Gladstone. So, you might tell your friend at > GP that if they wait to use the German version, they will be getting the > version with all the corrections and all colored. I'm afraid it won't help much if I tell them that: they already bought the Danish version including the colours... BTW: The Dutch version of Lo$ part 4 was published last week. It does not contain a cover of part 5. So either part 5 will be a back-up story in the next DD Extra, or part 5 will not be in that issue at all, which means GP editor Jos Beekman gave me the wrong information... Fredrik: (about our Disney comics database) ~~~~~~~~ > Why not just state that every line beginning with a semi-colon (or > whatever) is treated as a comment and let this be true for the issue > files as well? That way you can squeeze in all the extra info you want. Right. I'll do that, but I prefer a space over a ';' (for readability). > > - (start) date, in the form yy/mm/dd > > Isn't the international standard yy-mm-dd? If I didn't get some kind of > explanation, yy/mm/dd would confuse me at least. OK, I'll change it (back) to yy-mm-dd, if that's the standard. (BTW: I don't like the form yymmdd: that makes it less readable.) > > - title or description > > This is where I have my only major disagreement with you. I think this > should be in the issue files. Unnecessary? Well, that field will be > filled with spaces in the issue files anyway, right? No, I was thinking of a 'variable length' field at the end of the line, so a story without title can save a lot of space in an 'issue file'. > And that way, it > will be easier to fit in (say) the Danish titles of Ole's index or any > other future non-american indices. The story files would include a > description, normally the original English title in the same form that > you propose above. The issue file title would then be in Per's format > (which I too prefer, if we have to go with your proposal). The obvious > disadvantage with all this would obviously be that someone will have > to type in BOTH the story file description AND the issue file title > for any new entries. Well, you can't have everything. :-) But I don't like to have information twice. In the many Barks reprints, the titles (or descriptions) don't change, so one entry in a 'story file' should be enough. > > - remarks > > Why not just on comment lines like those I suggested above? The 'remarks' wouldn't be transferred to a 'list file' in that case. But maybe we want it that way. > The only thing that I really missed from your post was info about how > you plan to make the programs, especially the user interface. Will you > have command line parameters, or do you plan to invent your own > database language? I plan to make a few (quite simple) programs to generate the lists we already have from the 'database'. Other access can be done using 'grep' or 'find', 'sort' etc. Maybe we can make more advanced programs for database access, but we can postpone that to later. > The latter would certainly be preferrable if we > still plan to make an email service out of this (like someone proposed > when this was discussed in the past). Also; will the user be able to > do case-insensitive searches and the like? I know nothing of e-mail services, so someone would have to help me with that if we get that far. > Another feature I'd like to see in the program(s) is generation of > (optional) legends for each output produced. Such a legend would > consist of a short natural language description of what the output > consists of and explanations for used abbreviations. I'll keep that in mind as an extra 'feature' of my programs... Thank you for your comments. --Harry. Harry PTT Research ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak Fluks Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl "Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!" From gadducci at DI.UniPi.IT Mon Feb 28 12:58:07 1994 From: gadducci at DI.UniPi.IT (Fabio Gadducci) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 14:58:07 +0300 Subject: Pocket books... Message-ID: <9402281358.AA24311@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE> >I got some remarks from Per and David about the new version of the 'story- >codes' file on ftp. I'll make the discussion public in case anyone knows >more. > >The debate is about the 'intermezzos' in the European 'pocket books' >between the Italian stories. There are pages between the various >stories making the entire contents of a book one story. > >David wrote to me: > >> I now have decisive proof that >> the Intermezzos in older pocket books are French -- I have a French >> pocket book from the late 1960s. It contains Scarpa's "MM as the >> Emperor of Calisota," as well as some other stories... The issue has >> the intermezzos, well prior to when the Germans published >> pocket-books. > >And Per wrote, that he thought (or knew?) that the intermezzos are >Italian, he even knew the name of the artist (?) > >Could you give us some more information, Per? (Or someone else?) > Ahem... As the owner of the whole collection of Italian pocket-books since 1957, I can assure you that the author was Italian. It was Giuseppe Perego, one of the few contributors to Disney books who were employed by Mondadori (all the others, included Scarpa and Carpi, worked freelance): he was the author of almost all the covers of "Albi della Rosa", also, and of some other books (some "Topolino", some pocket-book). He is also the writer of thre Intermezzos: it is a pity that his drawning is so crude that makes the Intermezzos almost not readable... Perego did the Intermezzos till n.67 (I think) of the second series of pocket books (the first runs 71 issues from 1957 to 1971 in a higly irregular schedule, the current series is a monthly, with more than 200 issues so far), when Mondadori decided to stop them: from that issues, the pocket books became simply anthologies of previously published stories, losing, IMHO, most of his appeal... A last thing: all the other European editions of pocket books are simply reprintings of the Italian edition (same cover and all), comprising the French and German edition Per and David were referring to. And this is for Harry: I talked to Becattini, and he told me that he will send you personally a copy of the Index (or maybe I'll send you a copy, with all the other stuff I have to send you). And this is for all of you: who sent money to "Al fumetto Club", and never received anything? Write me, and I'll try to do something... Bye for now, Fabio (no, NOT the model...) ================================================================ Fabio Gadducci Dip. di Informatica Home: +39-50-541725 Universita` di Pisa Off.: +39-50-887268 Corso Italia 40, 56100 PISA (ITALY) FAX: +39-50-887226 E-mail:gadducci at di.unipi.it ================================================================ From krieg at ct.med.ge.com Mon Feb 28 16:04:53 1994 From: krieg at ct.med.ge.com (Andrew Krieg 5-5379) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 94 09:04:53 CST Subject: Disney-comics digest #253. Message-ID: <9402281504.AA04184@ct.med.ge.com> >Michael T. Gilbert has done a few Mickey's (he and Janet collaborated in >many cases) as well as a couple Duck stories, and they're quite good, and >already worked out in American idiom. As I remarked on before, this sort of >thing oughta breathe a little fresh air into an admittedly somewhat stale US >Disney comics environment. Did Michael pencil any of these stories, or did he and his wife just write them? From HATHAWAY at stsci.edu Mon Feb 28 17:05:41 1994 From: HATHAWAY at stsci.edu (HATHAWAY@stsci.edu) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 11:05:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: Moby Duck Message-ID: <01H9F0B252CYCELQMA@avion.stsci.edu> >From: "Jon Cato Lorentzen" 26-FEB-1994 11:43:22.66 ... >About Moby Duck. >He was in a lot of stories in the 70s, and (flame me) I liked many of them. >But this is probably because I was just a kid then, and read my Disney >comics to shreads, and I don't think I would have liked those stories as >much if I had read them for the first time today. > >Jon C. Lorentzen > I've got some Moby Duck issues from that time - in his own title. I think they are in un-shreaded condition - indexed in boxes. Strange how some issues would be considered valueless but if one were to try to find good copies of them, it would be near impossible. The comic shows and conventions seem to have few if any Duck books and the stores have little selection on older ones like this. But I'd probably only read a couple of them (Moby) myself nowadays. Maybe when I retire??? W. Hathaway From d91fe at pteranodon.pt.hk-r.se Mon Feb 28 19:17:42 1994 From: d91fe at pteranodon.pt.hk-r.se (Fredrik Ekman) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 94 19:17:42 +0100 Subject: Giuseppe Perego Message-ID: <9402281817.AA29362@pteranodon.pt.hk-r.se> Fabio wrote: > As the owner of the whole collection of Italian pocket-books since 1957, I > can assure you that the author was Italian. It was Giuseppe Perego, one of > the few contributors to Disney books who were employed by Mondadori Yourch! Of all the bad Disney comic artists I have ever had the questionable pleasure to read, Giuseppe Perego is the worst by far! "Crude", as Fabio later wrote, is a tremendous understatement. He draws all the ducks with extremely short beaks, and for some reason the beak is always wide open. Especially when one of them is furious, which happens in every second panel or so. Donald constantly gets mad at Huey, Dewey and Louie for no apparent reason and Scrooge constantly gets mad at Donald. All in all, it's a shame that all you Americans will certainly never get to see anything by this man. I just love to hate him. ;-) By the way, Scarpa's "MM as the Emperor of Calisota" which David mentioned, is one of my favourite Italian stories. Not everything Italian is bad. :-) /F From clawton at TFS.COM Mon Feb 28 19:28:00 1994 From: clawton at TFS.COM (Chris Lawton) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 94 10:28 PST Subject: Last one on this topic... Message-ID: Hiya Gang! A few last comments about the recent topic I started: I'll continue to reread the stuff I enjoy whether or not it is considered by the experts to be clasics or high-quality or whatever. Is that bad? Does that make me not like the good stuff (i.e. DELL Disney)? At this point, I felt a little picked on by someone I admire for his talent. :( Oh well. I can take it. And I still consider myself a "Fan" of Disney Comics. :) So... in order to aid in the education of the unsophisticated comic reader, (I certainly consider myself to be in that catagory! :) ) how about a recommendation of issues to try to find so that I *will* have something to compare to? Authors? Titles? Dates? That way, I (and others) can know what the experts consider to be the best. Sort of a "Requiered Reading List"? Looking forward to hearing from you! :) Chris (I'll leave the .sig off for this group!) From d91fe at pteranodon.pt.hk-r.se Mon Feb 28 19:45:21 1994 From: d91fe at pteranodon.pt.hk-r.se (Fredrik Ekman) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 94 19:45:21 +0100 Subject: Donald's car Message-ID: <9402281845.AA29392@pteranodon.pt.hk-r.se> Hi! About the brand of Donald's car; a couple of years ago it was concluded by one Swede and a group of Norwegians (of which I believe Geir was a member?) independently of each other came to the conclusion that Donald's car is an A-Ford Roadster. Recently, a friend of mine came up with some new information on the subject. In the January-February issue of "Classic Motor Magasin" (a Swedish magazine about old cars) there is an article about old Austins. It begins with a full-page picture of an (almost) full-size cardboard Donald Duck beside an old Austin that I (who knows absolutely nothing about cars) must admit looks very much like the car he has in the comics. The article is titled "Otursf|rf|ljd Kalle Anka-bil" which very roughly translates to "Donald Duck-car followed by bad luck". Below follows a quote from the article: "Donald Duck, drawn by Carl Barks, made his debut in 1934 and was soon given his well-known little car. Gess what was the model?" If anyone desperately wants a copy of the picture, I guess I could scan it and send it through e-mail. I won't send it out to the whole list, though. Comments, anyone? /F From James_Williams at ESS.NIAID.pc.niaid.nih.gov Mon Feb 28 20:50:34 1994 From: James_Williams at ESS.NIAID.pc.niaid.nih.gov (James Williams) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 94 14:50:34 EST Subject: Disney-comics digest #252. Message-ID: <2d724b0a@ESS.NIAID.pc.niaid.nih.gov> >Now, about reprints... I remember some decent Gold Key stories >with Moby Duck. Is there a reason why he hasn't appeared recently? I don't consider Moby part of the duck universe. I've always thought that Scrooge, Donald, and company lived in Moby's universe, but that Moby didn't live in theirs. They routinely appeared in Moby's stories, but Moby rarely ever appeared in theirs. >And what do you all think about using Emil Eagle (Super Goof's >foe) as a Duck villain? I think he would make a decent nemesis for the >Junior Woodchucks. Emil on the other hand exists in all universes. I've seen him battle SuperGoof, Mickey Mouse, and Gyro Gearloose. >Has anyone got DD 284??? WHAT Taliaferro material is in this comic? The dailys (starting from day #1), two strips to a page. Unlike the sunday strips, Taliaferro wrote and drew the dailys. I really enjoyed the dailys. I think Taliaferro was a much better writer than the people writing the sunday strip. >I know that the DD "Silly Symphony" Sunday strip ended in Dec. 1937, >and we were at the beginning of December 1937 at the end of DD 284. >There should only be a very few SS Sundays in DD 284. What then? Do we >start with Jan. 1938 dailies, or do we jump ahead to 1939 when Donald >got his own Sunday strip again? This brings up a question I've been wondering about. What Disney characters have had newspaper strips? The reason I ask is that a few months ago, I saw the original artwork to what I swore was a Scamp daily newspaper strip. >P. S. Gladstone kinda blew it with "Rocket Wing." The story >was reprinted by Disney in a regular comic, their 3-D special, in >summer 1992. I don't consider a 3-D special a regular comic, so I didn't have any problems with Gladstone printing the story again. James Williams