From kfitz at halcyon.com Wed Mar 1 06:12:26 2000 From: kfitz at halcyon.com (Kfitz) Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 21:12:26 -0800 Subject: Reviews and Br'er Rabbit References: <200002292259.18106.jormunrekk.ifi.uio.no@ifi.uio.no> Message-ID: <005601bf833c$bcf7dc20$6feb39cc@kfitz> Actually, IMHO, the Br'er speak was the speak of all southern illiterates, Black or White, there are a few examples of this in some of Mark Twain's writings. -Kathy From frilans.bamse at egmont.se Wed Mar 1 15:33:55 2000 From: frilans.bamse at egmont.se (Frilans Bamse SE - HMJ) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 15:33:55 +0100 Subject: Br'er Rabbit etc. Message-ID: <91E2BD72AB8BD3119FFB00508B55F07E15240F@MMAHMJD1-XCH01> > J?rgen Andreas Bangor wrote: > And another question, just because I'm curious. Being white, I have no > problem with identifying myself with Donald Duck and all his everyday > problems. Do black people (or people of any other race) indentify with > him just as easily? I mean, I regard him as white, but being a feathered > duck, the skin colour is sort of irrelevant. > I'm white and as a kid I identified myself with Gottfredsons Mickey Mouse, who is black. I think that what you identifies with is the personality and not the skin color. > (Hmm, just think of what will happen when Disney Co. realises that their > main character is black. Maybe Disney Co. will ban itself :-) ) > /J. From cien2 at cbn.net.id Wed Mar 1 19:09:14 2000 From: cien2 at cbn.net.id (Arie Fachrisal) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 01:09:14 +0700 Subject: Skin color References: <200003011100.MAA05083@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <003901bf83a9$58b17600$f9189eca@kulim> Jorgen sez > And another question, just because I'm curious. Being white, I have no > problem with identifying myself with Donald Duck and all his everyday > problems. Do black people (or people of any other race) indentify with > him just as easily? I mean, I regard him as white, but being a feathered > duck, the skin colour is sort of irrelevant. Being yellow, i've never even think of any skin colour of Donald and crew. It will be very irrelevant. i think some (men) are white, some are black, some are red (indians), and etc. and etc. but donald IMHO will claim himself being duck. No color skin whatsoever thank you. Heck, you seriously don't think the Beagle Boys are yellow and Mickey is black;-) The characters were made to be universally accepted and so skin color doesn't apply here. Anyway that's just my opinion. Best, From cien2 at cbn.net.id Wed Mar 1 19:20:31 2000 From: cien2 at cbn.net.id (Arie Fachrisal) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 01:20:31 +0700 Subject: Brer References: <200003011100.MAA05083@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <005101bf83aa$d4955a60$f9189eca@kulim> Hi all, So the dialogues were written in southern dialects which may offense the blacks. One question, why did the writer write in that dialect then? If he/she's some kind of racist, i think he/she wouldn't include the dialect. Maybe IMO the writer was living in the southern which he/she oneself used spoke in that dialect too??? Oh, and thanks Gerstein, Schulte, Sonia, Rodney for the "enlightment":-) Best, From sonia_dyer at hp.com Wed Mar 1 20:00:08 2000 From: sonia_dyer at hp.com (sonia_dyer@hp.com) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:00:08 -0800 Subject: Brer Rabbit Message-ID: The characters are mimicking black people's speech and behavior - which makes them seen as "black people" (although being rabbits etc.). Is this in itself offending? My point is that the context the stories now would be published in (if they were) is much different from the original context. Is it possible for a child who reads the stories now, to see that they once pictured a race of "lower value"? And in a similar way, "Hiawatha" stories (or any stories with Indians) are banned in the US, just because Indians could be offended by seeing comic characters mimicking Indians. It just doesn't make sense to me. I do understand that both black Americans and Indians have a tough history behind them, but have this weakened them to such extent that they can't bear to see a black or an Indian comic character? I would appreciate an answer to this. Hi Jorgen- I understand your perspective. Perhaps in another hundred years the Brer Rabbit and Hiawatha stories can be told in the USA in the original form, and be accepted in their historical context. In the interim, while many members of a previously discriminated against ethnic group may not be so "sensitive" about it, others are. One on-going example is the loud objections by some native americans to American sports teams like the Braves or the Chiefs being named in reference to indians, even though the names are meant to imply courageous warriors. Similarly, in the original Uncle Remus/Brer Rabbit stories, the rabbit was a very very clever and inventive fellow. Go figure! I guess you have to have walked a mile in their shoes for it to make sense. I can only say that the majority of my black friends still feel they are discriminated against, just not as openly as in the past. Sonia From pierrebi at tiscalinet.it Wed Mar 1 08:38:02 2000 From: pierrebi at tiscalinet.it (Pietro Reynaud-Bersanino) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 08:38:02 Subject: Italian Lira vs Euro In-Reply-To: <200002291100.MAA19295@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20000301083802.2fefdff2@pop.tiscalinet.it> In DCML digest, Vol 1 #97 - 29/02/00 Santiago Garcia Banhos wrote: >Today, Right now, the change is: > > 1.00 Euro = 1,936.27 Italy Lira 1.00 Euro is **always** 1,936.27 Italian Liras !!! Pietro __________________Oooo.____________________________________________ ????????? .oooO?? (?? ) A satyagrahi does not wait for others, ????????? (?? )??? ) / but throws himself into the fray, \ ( (_/ relyng entirely on his own resources. \_) (Mahatma Gandhi) ?????????????????? From acsive at mail.mira.dk Wed Mar 1 16:40:14 2000 From: acsive at mail.mira.dk (Anders Christian Sivebaek) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:40:14 +0100 Subject: #98 - Rabbits Message-ID: <200003020506.GAA62856@mail.mira.dk> J?rgen I love your reviews. And this one made me think that I haven't actually read no. 8, execept for part 2 of that continued story. Imagine me sitting at the doctors reading that story. I started sniffing, but I couldn't begin to cry I thought, people would look at me. It really was so sad to see Scrooge at that state, and it was great to see him wake up again. B'rer Rabbit That those stories and Hiawatha are banned in the US also confuses me. What is political correctness? Not to show people how the duckburg-world is? It doesn't consist of only whites and no Blacks or Indians. Not showing the stories I wouldn't call PC, buit censorship in some way, and that's one of the things that indicates a, excuse me... sick society. BTW, it's extremely funny that those Rabbit story woiuld be banned because one doesn't want to offend the black people. It was the black slaves in the South who told those stories. Rabbit was then supposed to be a smart black human and the bear and fox were the stupid white slave-dealers. Hiawatha is also a proud american poem (has Longfellow got anything to do with this?). I don't see why Indians, Blacks or any other "race" would be offended to see themselves in a comic, as long as they are carricated in a bad way. Are all comics with Indians banned in the US? Does this mean you don't see comic albums with Yakari, which are so great (But not Disney-comics) From bror.hellman at partena.se Thu Mar 2 08:23:49 2000 From: bror.hellman at partena.se (bror.hellman@partena.se) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:23:49 +0100 Subject: SV: Brer Message-ID: <3607C6F4DA17D21191FE000000005E8701F32FBA@mvkexc01> > Hi all, So the dialogues were written in southern dialects which may > offense the blacks. One question, why did the writer write in that > dialect then? If he/she's some kind of racist, i think he/she wouldn't include > the dialect. > Maybe IMO the writer was living in the southern which he/she > oneself used spoke in that dialect too??? Well, it's written in southern dialect because Bre'r Rabbit and the other folks are what usually is known as "southern hicks" or farmer/ country folks. It's an old clich?. Even Goofy speaks similarily in films. It's used to depict uneducated, unsophisticated country people, I don't think anyone could think that Bre'r Bear is ridiculing "black" people. I think Disney deliberately took away that accent and stopped further Bre'r Rabbit stories of two reasons: 1) It's not generally nice to depict people as being more stupid than others, at least it's not politically correct to do so for a big multinational company with desperately tries to uphold some sort of "correct" image. So, in order to streamline EVERYTHING, almost ALL dialects and accents are toned down. 2) Bre'r Rabbit, Bre'r Bear and Bre'r Fox originally comes from the feature film "Song of the South", which in it's turn is based on a collection of folktales, etc. called "Uncle Remus Tales". Well, the narrator in this movie is an old black man. Depicted in the fashion of the time, which today is much more controversial, and is - in my opinion - very stereotypical. Now, I live in Sweden, so I might have got some facts wrong, but this is how I understand it. Yours: Bre'r Hellman From kyrimis at cti.gr Thu Mar 2 09:43:38 2000 From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:43:38 +0200 (EET) Subject: Komix #141 Message-ID: With a bit of a delay, here's what's in Komix #141 this month: * A Donald Duck gag cover by Walt Kelly. You can see a scan at http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis/pics/komix141.jpg . * A three-page article titled "In the Footsteps of MarcoPolo", subtitled "He was the Man with the millions. Now, a duck is following his footsteps..." * Carl Barks' "Treasure of Marco Polo". * A three-page article titled "The Story of Pinocchio", subtitled "Walt Disney's classic masterpiece closes 60 years of life this year." * Don Rosa's "A Matter of Some Gravity". * Floyd Gottfredson's "Aunt Marissa". * A one-page collage of drawings by John Lotter (sp?) and Scott Seeto (sp?) titled "Disney's Great Ladies", Komix' contribution to Woman's Day on March 8. You can see a scan of this page at http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis/pics/komix141a.jpg . * A four-page article titled "The Great American School", subtitled "The journey of comics on the other side of the Atlantic. (The Article's title is contrived, so that it is reminiscent of the Greek title of the "Police Academy" series of films.) * A one-page article titled "From Cathay to Unsteadystan", subtitled "Carl Barks, uncle Scrooge, and the treasure of Marco Polo". Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr) (WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis ----- "Small though it is, the human brain may be quite effective when used properly!" ----- From jorgenb at ifi.uio.no Thu Mar 2 09:57:45 2000 From: jorgenb at ifi.uio.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22J=F8rgen?= Andreas =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bangor=22?=) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:57:45 +0100 (MET) Subject: Skin color In-Reply-To: <003901bf83a9$58b17600$f9189eca@kulim> (cien2@cbn.net.id) Message-ID: <200003020857.26312.svafni.ifi.uio.no@ifi.uio.no> Arie: | Being yellow, i've never even think of any skin colour of Donald and crew. [and some more] I guess you and Bamse prove what I thought - that the skin colour is just irrelevant. BTW, it's funny that you call yourself yellow. When I was a kid we were told that it was racist to call Asian people yellow. A lot of people were politically correct on other's behalf in the seventies... J?rgen From jorgenb at ifi.uio.no Thu Mar 2 10:09:20 2000 From: jorgenb at ifi.uio.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22J=F8rgen?= Andreas =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bangor=22?=) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:09:20 +0100 (MET) Subject: Brer Rabbit In-Reply-To: (sonia_dyer@hp.com) Message-ID: <200003020909.26352.svafni.ifi.uio.no@ifi.uio.no> Hi, Sonia, Thanks for your answer. I guess I'm just not familiar enough with the situation of discriminated Americans to understand. This you tell, about Indians complaining about names referring to Indians it... it sounds just ridiculous to me. Now, I do understand that a lot of non-white Americans still feel discriminated, and in most cases I would support ways of fighting against that. But, in my view, this banning hysteria must just make things worse. I do have some black friends, BTW, but they're all Africans, and they don't seem to feel like they have much in common with black Americans. J?rgen From jorgenb at ifi.uio.no Thu Mar 2 10:25:31 2000 From: jorgenb at ifi.uio.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22J=F8rgen?= Andreas =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bangor=22?=) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:25:31 +0100 (MET) Subject: #98 - Rabbits In-Reply-To: <200003020506.GAA62856@mail.mira.dk> (acsive@mail.mira.dk) Message-ID: <200003020925.26464.svafni.ifi.uio.no@ifi.uio.no> Anders: | I love your reviews. Thanks. A new one (# 7)will arrive in a few minutes. Will try to send the review of # 9 tomorrow. And, hey! You're "acsive"! I didn't notice that until I saw your mailaddress now :-) | And this one made me think that I haven't actually read no. 8, I hate to say "me too", but now I do - although for me it was # 7. I sat down to write the review, and then... "This I haven't read, and this I haven't read". I'd already been told about the new continuation story, so I moved right to it, and forgot about everything else - except the Gerstein/Scarpa story (not because I had been told about it - but because I noticed the first panel of it when looking for the last story). This story by Andreas Pihl was really touching. I'll comment it in tomorrow's review. | What is political correctness? It is a plague! A plague which we should fight to keep away from Scandinavia and other more or less unaffected areas. | Not to show people how the duckburg-world is? It doesn't consist | of only whites and no Blacks or Indians. That's exactly what's puzzling me too! I get the impression that discriminated people are trying to remove any reference to them at all. That might work, of course; if I don't know about black people, I can't discriminate them either. But, on the other hand, being ignorant rarely makes things better. J?rgen From jorgenb at ifi.uio.no Thu Mar 2 10:52:16 2000 From: jorgenb at ifi.uio.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22J=F8rgen?= Andreas =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bangor=22?=) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:52:16 +0100 (MET) Subject: Donald Duck & Co # 7 - 2000 Message-ID: <200003020952.26496.svafni.ifi.uio.no@ifi.uio.no> Donald Duck & Co # 7 - 2000 Dutch front cover, showing Donald's nephews in a hair dresser's chair wearing big helmets, so the the hairdresser cannot cut their... er... down? The first story, about Donald Duck, (D 99049, 10 pages) is written and drawn by William van Horn. Again Donald's nephews come home with a lot of new Woodchuck medals, this time bacause they have survived for two days in a wild valley. Donald is not impressed. He can do that for twice as long time - and he's going to prove it. If he can, he'll do the dish washing for a month, and if he can't, the nephews will do it. Donald has some luck, and quite a lot of misfortune. A big and furious bear makes life in the valley a bit difficult. At last, but before the four days have passed, Donald and the bear end up on a piece of timber floating down a river. Closer to Duckburg they bump into a dinghy with a couple of crooks who've kidnapped the city's mayor. Donald rescues him. Donald hasn't stayed in the valley for four days, but he did come home with a medal, so for a month they do the dish washing together. Not much of a story, really, but a lot of good gags. And I like van Horn's art better and better. He doesn't make Donald look like a surrealistic lunatic anymore. Next is an old one-pager (KF 03-08-53). Then the Mickey Mouse story (History Re-Petes Itself, D 99156, 12 pages) written by David Gerstein, and drawn by Romano Scarpa. Mickey has gotten a mysterious invitation to a birthday party. It looks a bit scary, but Mickey's too curious not to go. Suddenly he's grabbed and pulled through a window by Black Pete. He has stolen a ray gun which turns people into babies (who then grows into adults again in fourteen days). Pete plans to use it on Mickey, and raise him as a scoundrel. Unfortunately for Pete, he's hit himself. Mickey uses his idea, and plans to raise him as an honest person. All his friends offer to take their part of the raising. Little Pete shows up to be a real rascal, but he's also cute and charming. As the days pass, Pete grows older, and he starts to scare Mickey's friends. Although he seems to act like a normal kid, he shows some tendencies they don't like. On Pete's birthday, he and Mickey goes for a canoe ride. Suddenly the canoe hits a rock in the river, and Mickey's thrown into a water fall. Fortunately his backpack gets stuck on an old branch. Now Pete reveals that he's kept his old personality all the time, and has just pretended that he was growing up anew. He turns his back to Mickey, and will just wait there until his birthday wish is fullfilled - that the branch snaps and Mickey dies. Then suddenly, Mickey hits him in the back. He's kept the ray gun, and with it he gave the branch back its youth, and the strength to throw him back up. Pete and Mickey start to fight on the edge of the water fall, and it looks bad for Mickey. Then his friends suddenly arrive, and save him. They had decided to give Black Pete another chance, and showed up at the right time. After it's all over Mickey wonders about how he'd liked Pete if he had become honest. At the same time Black Pete sits in his cell trying his best not to like Mickey. As you'll see, I have spent more room on this story than I use to. It deserves it. And it really deserves a lot more space, but you'd better read the story yourselves to see. With a very few exceptions I've thought your stories were pretty good, David, but this time you've made a _really_ good one. Once you told me (jokingly) that you put the characters into the story, and then let their personalities run the story. It does show that this is what you've been doing here. But it's not quite that simple, of course. A lot of thinking is needed in creating the personalities, and then "living" them. And created them, you have - based on stories by Gottfredson and Scarpa. And this is, in my opinion, the only way to make a good story. The writer has to somehow "live" the stories he's telling. Anyone can write a simple Mickey story, based on the Murry mouse, for instance; it's just to use a predefined plan. But to write a story which makes the reader believe that this "is", that's a lot more demanding, and it's not everyone's gift to be able to do it. Don Rosa does it with Donald and his relatives (and so does Andreas Pihl, provided the story D 99171 starting in this issue is not just an accident), and you, David, obviously have acquired (through hard work, of course) the ability to do it with Mickey and his universe. Good work! I hope we'll see more of this. And the art. It wouldn't make justice to Scarpa just to say a few words about it. One really have to see it. Normally I don't like to rate artists, but some are of course much better than others. And now Scarpa is certainly on top of my "favourite list" of Egmont Mickey artists - with Ferioli on a very good second. It's the same with artists as with writers, I suppose, that they need a strong relation with the character their drawing to make it "live". And in Scarpa's case the relation is obvious. At the same time the artist must be confident with the written story. Personally I'm drawing much worse than Rosa, so I haven't the slightest idea how this works. Still, after having read most Disney stories ever published in Norway, I think I've got the ability to see whether an artist cares about the story he's drawing or not. In this case he does. From SRoweCanoe at aol.com Thu Mar 2 13:05:10 2000 From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe@aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 07:05:10 EST Subject: Brer Message-ID: > BTW, it's extremely funny that those Rabbit story woiuld be banned > because one doesn't want to offend the black people. It was the black > slaves in the South who told those stories. Rabbit was then supposed to > be a smart black human and the bear and fox were the stupid white > slave-dealers. >2) Bre'r Rabbit, Bre'r Bear and Bre'r Fox originally comes from >the feature film "Song of the South", which in it's turn is based >on a collection of folktales, etc. called "Uncle Remus Tales". Well "Song of the South" is based on Joel Chandler Harris's books about Uncle Remus and his stories of Brer Rabbit. "Brer", by the way is dialect for "Brother". The stories by Harris were new (as far as I know), but Trickster Rabbit stories were popular in both africian and native american culture. ((Harris lived in central Georgia, home of the Cherokees - who had some great trickster rabbit tales. Harris was also white)). I can no longer recall Harris's time of writing, but in the Disney movie version, Remus is a sharecropper and field worker and not a slave. Dialect humor is a thing that is no longer acceptable in the USA. Brother Rabbit and Brother Bear have mixtures of Georgian (both black and white) mixed with Hollywood. Other dialect humor no longer acceptable in the USA include Irish, Jewish, Chinese, Japanese, etc etc. In fact the only dialect humor still semi-acceptable is "redneck' humor ("You know you're a redneck, when...); just make sure you don't call it "cracker" humor... Hopefully in 100 years, dialect humor will make a comeback, unmarked by rascist or ethnic hatred... Steven Rowe From frilans.bamse at egmont.se Thu Mar 2 13:07:40 2000 From: frilans.bamse at egmont.se (Frilans Bamse SE - HMJ) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 13:07:40 +0100 Subject: A new Korhonen story! Message-ID: <91E2BD72AB8BD3119FFB00508B55F07E152410@MMAHMJD1-XCH01> Hi, all! I just want to inform the scandinavians on this list that they shall make sure not to miss weekly 10 + 11. Those issues features one really, really, *really* good story! "Hotet fran svarta stridsklubban" by Kari Korhonen and Santanach. (D98376) Part 1 took the breath out of me and part 2 didn't fail to deliver the feeling of having read something that will be remembered a long time by duckfans. Actually, I think that we have a future classic here... #11 that I got yesterday also features a nice Vicar, one Hedman/ Manrique story, one Noel Van Horn, one Peter Hardfeldt and the usual classic Walsh/Gonzales onepagers. /Joakim Gunnarsson From nils at math.uio.no Thu Mar 2 13:27:15 2000 From: nils at math.uio.no (Nils Lid Hjort) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 13:27:15 +0100 Subject: three cubic acres Message-ID: <200003021227.NAA30563@dioscuri.uio.no> I find it wonderful that Barks chose "three cubic acres" to describe the amount of money in Scrooge's bin. Since `acre' is a two-dimensional measure, of area, it would follow that the Ducks live in (m^2)^3-space, that is, in some six-dimensional space. Makes sense to me. One could invite the Duckists on our list to discuss the peculiarities and consequences and side effects of life in six-dimensional space. However, on this occasion I'd be happy to have your collective expert help to check for me . Where was Barks' first use of the "three cubic acres" of money? . Did he stick to this later on (with reasonable consistency)? (I think he did.) . I *think* this has been followed up (with _some_ consistency) by Norwegian translations, using "tre kubikkmaal". Where is the first reference to this, in the Norwegian weekly DD & Co? Nils Lid Hjort From dve at kabelfoon.nl Thu Mar 2 14:35:27 2000 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:35:27 +0100 Subject: Dutch frontpage news: minister playing with Barks and Rosa art Message-ID: <20000302132811.4C70F3AE6@maillist.kabelfoon.nl> I'm on digest mode, so I don't know if it's already mentioned, but on the frontpage of today's Dutch newspaper "Algemeen Dagblad" Carl Barks' painting "Spoiling the concert" and 4 panels of Don Rosa's "On stolen time" are shown. So far the positive news, at least for me, because it seems to be a reproduction of a "story" pasted together by the Dutch Minister of Finance (Mr. Zalm), presented to the cabinet council(!), and the way I get it he uses the art to honor himself as Uncle Scrooge who's protecting the Dutch money matters. I'm sure it's meant as a funny joke, but then I think a more suitable real ending for the "story" could have been Graham Chapman of Monty Python walking in as the Colonel, saying: "Stop it! This is getting too silly!" The Dutch government seems to have a party because the Dutch economy seems to be going so well. Indeed a reason for a party, but not when the distance between the Dutch people and the government seems to get bigger and bigger in recent years. The government only seems to honor *itself* and the Dutch people are second place (a good second place so far, but still not the first place as it should be in a democracy). So, for me Minister's Zalm's self-honoring "story" is only rubbing that in. Opinions may differ on this, and it's not the right place here to discuss such matters (fortunately!), but I hope I've explained why I'm not happy with this "news". Dutch "Oom Dagobert" album No. 62 is mentioned as a source, so maybe this album will get bigger sales than average now. So, apparently minister Zalm also takes care of the Duckburgian economy at the moment. :-) Greetings, --- Daniel From DGE at ECN.egmont.com Thu Mar 2 16:33:25 2000 From: DGE at ECN.egmont.com (Gerstein, David DK - ECN) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:33:25 +0100 Subject: #98 - Rabbits Message-ID: <716EC96EB1D2D011BE3200805FC1974381D855@CPHEGTD1-XCH02> Hey, everyone! >BTW, it's extremely funny that those Rabbit story woiuld be banned >because one doesn't want to offend the black people. It was the black >slaves in the South who told those stories. Rabbit was then supposed to >be a smart black human and the bear and fox were the stupid white >slave-dealers. Let me try to be as clear as possible... In the USA, Brer Rabbit is *not* banned as a *character*. The original Brer Rabbit folktales are still beloved, including among our black citizens, who know exactly what they mean (rabbit = slave, fox = master). Disney's Brer Rabbit can still be found in story books, on Sing-A-Long Songs video tapes, and at the Disneyland ride "Splash Mountain". Brer Rabbit the character is *not* politically incorrect. But... Here's what *is* considered politically incorrect: The stories' exaggerated dialect. That's it! People who find the Brer Rabbit folktales offensive object not to the tales themselves (or to the character of Brer Rabbit), but specifically to the 1880s Joel Chandler Harris Uncle Remus versions of the tales. These are the versions that are written in extreme dialect. Modern, new editions of the stories, rewritten by modern-day authors, tend either to have less dialect, or none at all. Disney doesn't object to Brer Rabbit appearing in comic book form (or to the character of Brer Rabbit). What they object to is the use of, once again, extreme dialect, in this case in the earlier comic book stories. (Disney in the USA objects also to their old movie "Song of the South", but again, *not* because of Brer Rabbit himself - instead, because of the stereotypical black character played by actress Hattie McDaniel in the live-action parts of the movie.) David Gerstein "Brer Rabbit is *my friend*! Ain't nobody gonna eat him - except *me*!" (Brer Fox in 1946, going to rescue Brer Rabbit upon believing that he's been captured by a ghost) From cien2 at cbn.net.id Thu Mar 2 16:49:10 2000 From: cien2 at cbn.net.id (Arie Fachrisal) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:49:10 +0700 Subject: skin color References: <200003021100.MAA18528@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <008d01bf845f$3cd7d300$c9189eca@kulim> > Arie: > > | Being yellow, i've never even think of any skin colour of Donald and crew. > > [and some more] > J?rgen > I guess you and Bamse prove what I thought - that the skin colour is just > irrelevant. > BTW, it's funny that you call yourself yellow. When I was a kid we were > told that it was racist to call Asian people yellow. A lot of people > were politically correct on other's behalf in the seventies... Hmm, it is not that odd, i think. it's like introducing ourselves just like you did. i'm white, and maybe someone else said i'm black. it's not really offensive BUT the offensive things come when someone else describe your skin colour, mostly with a very bad ill will. ie. hey look at the black over there, whic you would rather say hey lookat the MAN over there. Now that (naming the skin colour) is very unpolite. It's what you cvalled racists. but introducing our own skin colour is more of identifying ourselves to others. That's just my opinion really. BTW, i'm kinda used to racism things since i've been livin here growing up with some discrimination treatments from some racists here. FYI, i am actually have chinese blood and chinese are not very well liked here in Indonesia. The fact is known of the May 1997 incident where hundreds of indo-chinese women were raped, the men were killed or brutally abuse and there's this massive open-robbing and burning. The capital where i live was in a BIG chaos. The military couldn't or wouldn't do a thing to stop it. Indo-chinese people's house were looted and the house were burned. My cousin was a victim there and he saw very frightening scenes. i was luckily at my home. At the incident, the capital was practically stopped all activities for TWO WEEKS and many of us, chinese and real Indonesian ones stayed all night to guard for the threats of looters and etc. Enough about that though. Best, From dve at kabelfoon.nl Thu Mar 2 16:45:33 2000 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:45:33 +0100 Subject: Bear Mountain and Lo$12 Message-ID: <20000302153806.06E903B23@maillist.kabelfoon.nl> ARIE FACHRISAL, 27 FEBRUARY 2000: > And also, i am a bit confused of the Lo$ story. Perhaps anyone can > lighten me up a little? In Barks' Christmas on Bear Mountain and Lo$ 12, > Scrooge is two different personalities. In Bear Mt, Scrooge has the > strength and ill will to "test" DD but in Lo$ Scrooge meeting DD for the > first time seemed so "helpless" or "powerless"??? How can this be??? > i know my Barks knowledges are minimum but i am really confused about > this one so i thought i'll ask. I think there are two answers to your question: The first is simple and very factual, both stories were made by two different artists with a different approach to the same character(s). As second answer, assuming the two stories are one big story, an "explanation" could be that Scrooge's visit to Bear Mountain gave him sad feelings about not having had a real family life himself, which briefly turns the angerness and bitterness at the beginning of "Christmas of Bear Mountain" into the sadness at the beginning of Lo$12. For that reason, I think that the Scrooges in both stories could match together. I have more problems with the difference of character treatment in general (see answer 1), which in my opinion becomes very clear and even a bit forced when looking at both stories as if they're one. So far my answers. Elaborating on the second one, I want to add that I think that, when taking into account that Barks is not Rosa and vice versa, the "Life of Scrooge" is a masterpiece in making a coherent story out of the many many Barks stories. I think that a lot (if not all) Duck readers/artists have dreamt up some kind of explanation of the Duck family and history in their heads from time to time, so it's very exciting to see that one of them has actually been able to write and draw a real comic book story out of it. My opinion is that as long as one is strong enough to keep his/her own imagination of the Duck family and history intact, the 12-chapter "Life of Scrooge" is a great must-read and re-read. Greetings, --- Daniel - "Phooey! Who's afraid of bears?" - "You are! But let's go, anyway!" From cien2 at cbn.net.id Thu Mar 2 17:16:21 2000 From: cien2 at cbn.net.id (Arie Fachrisal) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:16:21 +0700 Subject: Just a simple question References: <200003021100.MAA18528@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <00b401bf8462$a6fca5a0$c9189eca@kulim> > Not showing the stories I wouldn't call PC, buit censorship in some > way, and that's one of the things that indicates a, excuse me... sick > society. It's the 2nd time i saw a "PC" here but i don't know what's the meaning of it. Certainly not Personal Computer:-) Then what? Maybe "politically correct"??? Thanks in advance, From kyrimis at cti.gr Thu Mar 2 17:42:25 2000 From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 18:42:25 +0200 Subject: Articles from Komix #140 Message-ID: [I am posting the translations of two articles from last month's Komix, which I believe are of interest to the list. As usual, comments in square brackets are my own.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ THE BACK STAGE OF A STORY _Komix_ talks with Don Rosa about luck, the ducks, and Barks. _Komix_ met Don Rosa in the highways of cyberspace and had the opportunity to exchange with him ideas and views, with his story titled _The Sign of the Triple Distelfink_ as a starting point. The result of this discussion with the great creator is at your disposal! KOMIX: How did you come up with the famous Triple Distelfink? ROSA: When German immigrants came to America 200 years ago, they brought with them--or they may have created--the tradition of drawing large "magic symbols" on their barns for good luck. There were many different such symbols, one of which was the so called "distelfink", a paraphrase of the German words "Thistle finch", which is a kind of small country bird. A more drastic good luck charm was the "double" distelfink, so I thought that for someone having Gladstone's luck, a "triple" distelfink would be most appropriate! KOMIX: You had said that you are not going to create another kind of _Life and Times_ for another character apart from uncle Scrooge. Have you changed your mind? ROSA: But the _Triple Distelfink_ is only one story, not a series of chapters as is _The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck_. In addition, this is a memory recalled by Gladstone; the story does not take place entirely in the past. I may do the same for Donald at some point. It will have nothing to do with the--by now fifteen--chapters of the _Life and Times_. KOMIX: How different are these two cases? ROSA: The _Life and Times_ shows the changes in uncle Scrooge during his life, how he became the hero he is today. On the other hand, the _Triple Distelfink_ takes place today. Besides, when I make a story with Donald or Gladstone, I don't have the feeling of dealing with a character as complex as Scrooge McDuck. KOMIX: In your stories, it is usually the nephews who make pointy remarks that penetrate the character of other people. In the _triple Distelfink_, however, this part is played by uncle Scrooge in the end of the story... Your characters often appear to be fully conscious of what is happening, much more than in the stories of Carl Barks... ROSA: Doing something like this is not difficult, as I am in the position to know something that Barks didn't. I know that these stories are not read only by children, and so I always put in some "deeper meaning". Of course, Barks would have done it himself (and he sometimes did), however, he may have concluded that he had not been addressing adults, so this may be why he didn't do it as often as he'd like. Regarding the nephews, you are right. To me, their eyes are the most discerning in Duckburg, and I always try to reveal fragments of their philosophy in my stories, though not too many and all at once, as this would have been boring and hardly effective. Every once in a while, however, I also try to show how Scrooge may think or feel about Donald and vice versa. KOMIX: Scrooge has often been as lucky as Gladstone and, in his way, he also has an "internal tendency towards self-destruction", like Donald. Otherwise, he wouldn't have taken so many risks! However, unlike his nephews, he owes nothing to chance and always manages to gain something, even when following the hard path. Do you believe that this is the difference between a real hero like Scrooge, and an "ordinary duck", like Donald and Gladstone? ROSA: Wow! These are very good observations!!! Had never thought about it that way, but you are right. It is very nice to learn how someone else sees my work, because most times I have not thought about all this and simply act on intuition. Thus, my answer to you long and ingenious question can only be "yes". KOMIX: Are you going to create more stories on the subject of Donald and Gladstone's rivalry, according to Barks' tradition? ROSA: I don't intend not to! However, I find that stories with Gladstone are difficult, in that each time they require a new angle that expresses how lucky he is. It seems to me that any story that I might make about Gladstone, it would appear similar to a previous one. And finally, I prefer adventure stories, rather than gag stories. Despite all this, I'd like to draw a long adventure with Donald and Gladstone, as with Daisy. KOMIX: A kiss in _A Little Something Special_, and death in the _Life and Times_, a birth in the _Triple Distelfink_: such scenes are not at all common in Disney comics. Your comment on this? ROSA: I don't know if other creators are addressing a younger audience. I don't know. I've heard, however, that some readers don't like seeing the ducks having human emotions--they prefer to see the heroes as one-dimensional characters living fairy tale lives, as perhaps they remember them from when they were kids. I have no problem with this,. This is why there are so many and different stories in Disney comics; there is something for everyone, so these readers can simply not read "my" stories. I do not wish to disappoint them, but I do not wish to make the kind of stories that they want, either. [Side panel] THE GOOD LUCK BIRD Don Rosa loves history, mythology, and the folk traditions of various peoples. For the _Triple Distelfink_ he looked for the source of his inspiration in the folklore of his own country. In the original, the name of the bird drawn by the itinerant painter on the barn is "Distelfink". According to a folk belief brought to Pennsylvania by the first settlers who were of German descent, this adorable bird brings good luck and happiness to farmers. In reality, it is merely a kind of finch that frequents barns because of his love for wheat's golden seeds. This is why many people call it a gold-finch. [picture] As this drawing, from a recent art auction shows, the bird of good luck is framed by a tulip, symbolizing love, faith, and wealth, and by a heart, symbolizing happiness for everyone. Even today, in some rural parts of America, this symbol remains one of the most popular good luck charms. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Don Rosa, Gladstone and the Triple Distelfink THE SECRET OF GOOD LUCK As with many other Barks characters, Gladstone merely framed Donald's world. Later, of course, he evolved to a complex character with his own personality. Today, Don Rosa reveals to us the unknown aspects of the life of the luckiest duck in the world. The main characteristic of the personality of Gladstone, the elegant Duckburg citizen, as shaped by Carl Barks, is not only his outrageously good fortune, but the attitude towards life that he incarnates. Unlike uncle Scrooge, who owes nothing to chance, Gladstone owes her literally everything. Everything and nothing more; his unbeatably good luck which makes him always come on top, allows him to be the incarnation of complete fatalism: Gladstone is unwilling to make the slightest effort to gain something that his luck cannot give him, and, when things go wrong, he resigns immediately, certain that around the next corner a wallet, dropped by a passer-by, will be waiting for him. Like Donald, Gladstone does not ask much of his life. He is also totally incapable of taking his fortune in his hands, and has no ambition whatsoever. In the final analysis, the cars and home appliances that he wins in lotteries are not very different from the ice cream soda that his cousin earns with his sweat. Unlike uncle Scrooge's wealth, which is a symbol of and an award for a rich life, Gladstone's winnings have no symbolic value whatsoever. They are completely ephemeral consumer goods, which will soon be replaced by something else. A HERO WITHOUT A PAST Like the incurably unlucky Donald, Gladstone lives in the present and only for the present. And this means that not only does he not have any plans or dreams for the future, but his past hasn't taught him anything important either! To be precise, he is a character without a past. This is exactly what Don Rosa had told us when we asked him if, after the _Life and Times_ he was planning on writing other similar biographies for the other members of the Duck family: "I don't think that this would be a good idea. Dealing with an uncle Scrooge biography comes naturally. He has lived countless adventures for more than eighty years... for Donald, however, exactly the opposite is true! Donald's charm lies in his being a common mortal. He has no past... at least nothing worth while has happened to him in the past. (...). His past is that of the average, common mortal. The same is true for Gladstone. He is excessively lucky, but his past has nothing special". (_Komix_ #99). A DUCK WITH A COMPLEX CHARACTER What makes Barks' ducks stand out from countless other comics heroes are their complex-contradictory characters. In Gladstone's case, the basic contradiction of his character is the contrast between his outrageously good fortune and his even more outrageous fatalism. And it is precisely this contradiction that appears to be the deeper cause of the inexplicable mutual dislike between the two ruthless cousins. Is it a simple rivalry for Daisy's heart? Is it just an unavoidable clash between two egos, which may end in the most surrealistic contests, where no holds are barred? Unknown. The only thing that the reader can conclude is that the characters of the two ducks are, in a strange way, complementary. In the final analysis, they are both equally fatalistic; it is just that one is lucky and the other is unlucky. If Gladstone incarnates what Donald would like to be, Donald is everything that Gladstone would never want to be. THE BIOGRAPHY OF A COMMON DUCK This is, in a rough outline, Gladstone's character, as shaped by Carl Barks. Don Rosa does not overturn these data, preferring, as he usually does, to look for originality in the art of variation and deeper study. As he had told _Komix_, he could never write a long biography of the luckiest duck in the world. The _Triple Distelfink_ seems t be a first test chapter for such a peculiar biography. If the _Life and Times_ can be compared to a novel, a great composition that recounts the gradual shaping of a hero through his past and lays the foundation for his "future" evolution, the the _Triple Distelfink_ story is more similar to a short, self-contained story. The main idea of the story relies on the two main characteristics of the Barksian lucky guy. On one hand, the contradiction between Gladstone's fatalism and his good luck, and on the other hand, the rivalry between the two cousins, who could have been the best of friends. Thus, instead of facing the mysterious bad luck that plagues him each year on his birthday, Gladstone simply tries to avoid it, a fact that is the starting point for an avalanche of gags that Barks himself would have envied. When the pieces of the puzzle come together and the heroes understand the cause of the disasters, they react exactly as one would have expected. Instead of trying to overcome their differences, they enter a contest once more: Gladstone to get rid of the curse that plagues him, and Donald to gain part of his cousin's luck. [side panel] EXAMPLES TO AVOID Unlike uncle Scrooge, a hero who evolves and always manages to learn something from his mistakes, the reactions of the two ruthless cousins are disappointingly predictable. The ending of the story surprises no one: Gladstone remains lucky, and Donald unlucky. What could be the interest in such a story? The moral, if there is one, is completely negative, as both Gladstone and Donald are examples to avoid! The interest lies elsewhere. The _Triple Distelfink_ is not one more contest between the two cousins; it is an amazing exercise in story-telling dexterity. Completely respecting the characters of Carl Barks' heroes, Don Rosa proves that he can set up a scenario more complex than the scenaria of his great master, in a most delightful story that unravels in a frenetic pace. At the same time, through uncle Scrooge's... beak, Rosa makes a pointed remark on the charm of stories that tell of these contests with the so unpredictable outcome: "I wonder what will be more potent..." wonders the rich duck, "Gladstone's luck , or Donald's eternal tendency towards self-destruction?" One thing is certain. This should be a good show!" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr) (WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis ----- "You must be confusing me with someone else. Me, probably." ----- From sonia_dyer at hp.com Thu Mar 2 20:20:35 2000 From: sonia_dyer at hp.com (sonia_dyer@hp.com) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 11:20:35 -0800 Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: From sonia_dyer at hp.com Thu Mar 2 21:04:39 2000 From: sonia_dyer at hp.com (sonia_dyer@hp.com) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:04:39 -0800 Subject: Indians in comics, etc Message-ID: Hi Anders- Are all comics with Indians banned in the US? Does this mean you don't see comic albums with Yakari, which are so great (But not Disney-comics) I don't remember EVER seeing any indians in comics in the USA except in Disney comics (Hiawatha, and the occasional indian tribe the ducks would meet in their adventures). Who's Yakari, and what's that about? Arie and Jirgen- BTW, it's funny that you call yourself yellow. When I was a kid we were told that it was racist to call Asian people yellow. Same here. On the otherhand, we're _supposed_ to use the word "black" to refer to a Negro person. It used to be an insult in the USA to call a Negro a "black" person. The preferred term was "colored", which is what was marked on the separate drinking fountains, bathrooms, hotels, etc. But now the term black is preferred above the term Negro, and you hardly ever hear the word colored anymore. And there are other terms that you dare not use any more, but which certain black people still use all the time when speaking to each other (even on TV). Things aren't very consistent are they? Jirgen- I do have some black friends, BTW, but they're all Africans, and they don't seem to feel like they have much in common with black Americans. Yes, the two or three black people I know who were born in Nigeria and Cameroon in Africa don't seem to be carrying around the same "baggage", which matches your experience in Norway. BTW, thanks for the comic story summaries you've been doing. I enjoy reading them. Sonia From jacob.wallroth at telia.com Thu Mar 2 21:14:37 2000 From: jacob.wallroth at telia.com (Jacob Wallroth) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:14:37 +0100 Subject: What`s up? Message-ID: <002701bf8483$efcf84c0$e6a1c6c3@dator> Hallo there! I`m just wondering, that`s up, are Don Rosa making a new storie or something, anything! I know that Don Rosa himself is joining this list, maybe he can answer my question??? Jacob From kfitz at halcyon.com Fri Mar 3 03:27:24 2000 From: kfitz at halcyon.com (Kfitz) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:27:24 -0800 Subject: #98 - Rabbits References: <200003020506.GAA62856@mail.mira.dk> Message-ID: <000501bf84b8$03bb03e0$19eb39cc@kfitz> > I don't see why Indians, Blacks or any other "race" would be offended > to see themselves in a comic, as long as they are carricated in a bad > way. Hi, Anders! In the US, there are people who worry about offending people to the point that they are offensive. Many of us refer to these people as the PC Police, jokingly. These people don't really care if someone is offended they mostly want to control others and set standards for them that they would never uphold. Most people of various races are not offended by things not intended to offend. I have never been offended by anyone who speaks from the heart. Even if they say something in a way they didn't mean to. Most people in the US are not in denial about history. Those old stories that include dialects in comics or otherwise reflect a time and an area. I have known people of all races who suscribe to Disney comics both when they were children and whenever they can now. Some of the PC stuff may be well intended but as you say is just another form of censorship IMHO. Kathy From mnaiman1 at home.com Fri Mar 3 17:45:24 2000 From: mnaiman1 at home.com (Michael Naiman) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 08:45:24 -0800 Subject: CB Birthday Message-ID: <38BFEC1F.2BF52E22@home.com> Time grows close to when I shall be sending Carl the birthday greetings collected from the ML Send them while you can. Michael Naiman From SRoweCanoe at aol.com Fri Mar 3 04:36:32 2000 From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe@aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:36:32 EST Subject: Rabbit Message-ID: <67.200c7e8.25f08d40@aol.com> In a message dated 3/2/00 9:32:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, dcml-admin at stp.ling.uu.se (David G.) writes: > The stories' exaggerated dialect. > That's it! > People who find the Brer Rabbit folktales offensive object not to > the tales themselves (or to the character of Brer Rabbit), but specifically > to the 1880s Joel Chandler Harris Uncle Remus versions of the tales. These > are the versions that are written in extreme dialect. Modern, new editions > of the stories, rewritten by modern-day authors, tend either to have less > dialect, or none at all. > Disney doesn't object to Brer Rabbit appearing in comic book form > (or to the character of Brer Rabbit). What they object to is the use of, > once again, extreme dialect, in this case in the earlier comic book stories. actually David, alot of this dialect still sounds just like poor rural southern dialect - which I still hear occasionaly (by those over 60 years old ). And I guess Disney thinks "Brer" is a first name? Steven Rowe From donrosa at iglou.com Fri Mar 3 07:35:43 2000 From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 01:35:43 -0500 Subject: DCML digest #100 References: <200003030231.DAA30378@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <006701bf84dd$e3768f20$75eeffcc@default> From: "Jacob Wallroth" Subject: What`s up? >>>>>>I`m just wondering, that`s up, are Don Rosa making a new storie or something, anything! I know that Don Rosa himself is joining this list, maybe he can answer my question??? Yes, I'm here, ever alert for direct questions such as yours. As I reported when I was last asked a few weeks ago, I am currently working on a story titled "The Three Caballeros Ride Again" and should be done in about 4 more weeks. After that, I'll most likely do a new "Lo$" for PICSOU (France). And I always do odd jobs in between and during... such as today I did a new "pin-up" for PICSOU for their issue reprinting Barks' "Crown of Genghis Khan" and "Mines of King Solomon". It's a gag scene combining both stories which will be of no use to any publisher or publication other than that single issue of PICSOU... maybe I shouldn't do that. I mean, I don't get royalties for the future re-use of such art, but I am limiting its audience to France which might disappoint some people (and please others?). You may be reacting to the fact my stories are getting further between and fewer per year? That's due to the fact that I don't knock myself out trying to get the stuff done like I used to -- you can probably tell the stuff takes me a looong time to draw, and I used to work too hard to keep the paychecks flowing. But I decided it wasn't worth killing myself with 10 hour days, so I slowed the pace down. On top of that, every year I have more additional requests for stuff like covers for Finland or pin-ups for France or signing tours of Germany or something, and that also takes time away from the most important work of storytelling... but I try to strike a balance. Hope that answers your question? From j.stahl at ehapa.de Fri Mar 3 11:33:00 2000 From: j.stahl at ehapa.de (Stahl, Joachim GE - EV) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:33:00 +0100 Subject: AW: DCML digest, Vol 1 #100 - 13 msgs Message-ID: <30FFF02BA89AD3118BD50004ACBD42A24D0283@STREVD1-XCH01> Subject: Kari Korhonen I just want to inform the Germans, Swiss and Austrians on this list that the great continued story, that Joakim Gunnarsson mentioned, will be in Micky Maus 15/16. It's really outstanding! IMHO Kari Korhonen is one of the best Disney-authors ever. Every single one of his stories is something special, something to be remembered. And this continued story (German title: "Drei Wochen bis zum Weltuntergang" - "Three Weeks until the End of the World") is even one of his very best, I think. Be prepared! Joachim Stahl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20000303/d5cded34/attachment.html From mrhode at hotmail.com Fri Mar 3 15:02:26 2000 From: mrhode at hotmail.com (Michael Rhode) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 06:02:26 PST Subject: banning comics and the first amendment Message-ID: <20000303140226.84135.qmail@hotmail.com> Sonia asked, and I don't think has been answered directly: Are all comics with Indians banned in the US? Does this mean you don't see comic albums with Yakari, which are so great (But not Disney-comics) Sonia, in the US Constitution, the first amendment guarantees the right of freedom of speech which has always been construed to mean publishing. The ban on certain parts of Disney comics is internal to Disney. One can publish most anything in the US except "obscene" material which the Supreme Court said, in a bad decision, could be defined by the local community. As a result, Michael Diana is the only comics artist whose work has been banned by the government.. in this case Florida's legal system. As in all things, this right is honored to a greater or lesser degree depending on circumstances. The Supreme Court has ruled as well that there is usually no grounds for "prior restraint" or telling someone that they can't publish something. See the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund site for more information at http://www.cbldf.org/ . Mike Rhode ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From pierrebi at tiscalinet.it Fri Mar 3 17:22:11 2000 From: pierrebi at tiscalinet.it (Pietro Reynaud-Bersanino) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 17:22:11 Subject: three cubic acres (Nils Lid Hjort) In-Reply-To: <38be00b339119339@twingo.tiscalinet.it> (added by twingo.tiscalinet.it) Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20000303172211.23a71080@pop.tiscalinet.it> In DCML digest, Vol 1 #100, you wrote: Message: 3 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 13:27:15 +0100 Message-Id: <200003021227.NAA30563 at dioscuri.uio.no> From: Nils Lid Hjort >I find it wonderful that Barks chose "three cubic acres" >to describe the amount of money in Scrooge's bin. Since >`acre' is a two-dimensional measure, of area, it would >follow that the Ducks live in (m^2)^3-space, that is, in >some six-dimensional space. I immediately remembered some letters on some old Uncle Scroge about this topic. I found them and i scannennered for DCML. I hope could interest! Maybe some of the writers are members? Has anybody got Mr Keellam's letter in U$ #252 ? Please send it to me ... I am being waitig to read it since 1991!! ========================================================= MAIL BIN: UNCLE SCROOGE #256 Dear Editor Mr. Kellam's letter in Uncle Scrooge #252 calls to our attention an important mystery conceming the size of Uncle Scrooge's money bin: More remarkable still, however, is the fact that Mr. Kellam's letter solves a second mystery that has been troubling me for several months, while, contrarywise, the second mystery appears to solve the first. Let me explain. You see, a few months ago, when I received an Uncle Scroge comic book in the mail, I hapeened to notice there was something extra enclosed w?thin the comic book: It was a brittle, yellowed envelope which appeared to be very old. Thinking that someone at the publishing house had accidentally dropped an advertisement in with my subscrlption, I was about to throw it away wh?n I noticed the letters S. McD. scribbled in pencil in one corner. Then, as you may imagine, my curiosity was greatly aroused. I hastened to open the envelope. Inside was a single sheet of paper containing the sketch ot a cube. On examining the sketch more closely, I noticed that the six sides of the cube had been carefully shaded in with cross-hatches. Beneath the sketch, the following inscription appeared: 43,560 / 6 = 7,260 I pondered over the sketch for many hours, but to no avail; I could not fathom its meaning. So matters countinued until I read Mr. Kellam's letter today. Then, suddenly, the meaning of the old sketch became perfectly clear: Mr. Kellam assumes that a cubic acre means the volume of a standard cube, each side of which is one acre in area. As he competently shows, this assumption appears to be inconsistent with the commonly assumed shape of the money bin. However, suppose that the entire surface of the standard cube is intended to equal one acre. Then, since an acre equals 43,560 square feet, each of the six faces of the standard cube must have an area ot only 7,260 square feet. This seems to be exacley wnat tne mysterious sketch was saying! Going on from here, we find that each ot the twelve edges of the standard cube must be approximately 85.2 feet long. Consequenttly, a cubic acre turns out to be about 618,593 cubic feet. Since Scraoge's wealth occupies three cubic acres, this means that he has about 1,855,779 cubic feet of cash. Assuming, then, that his money has reached the 100 foot mark on the depth gauge, we find that the square base of his money bin is roughly 136 feet in width and length. This corresponds perfectly with the usual cubical picture of the money bin, for it allows the bin to rise 36 feet above the money level, which is roughy the amount of empty space that one usually sees in drawings of the bin's interior. I hope this clarifies things. Of course Scrooge, with the vast mathematical abilities he has gained from constantly counting his wealth, knew it all along. Now, can anybody explain how Scrooge's notes happened to get mailed to me? (Brian K. Schmidl Chelmsford, MA) ========================================================= MAIL BIN: UNCLE SCROOGE #257 Dear Editor As a follow-up to Flash Kellam's investigation into the projected size of Scrooge's money bin, I have taken things a step further in order to estimate the minimum net worth of his fortune. Mr. Kellam arrived at a figure of 27,274,140 cubic feet for the size of the money bin. Let us assume that Scrooge collected silver and gold coins in equal amounts; this would imply that approximately 13,637,070 cubic feet of the bin is occupied by each of the precious metals. Now, silver has a density of 10.5 grams per cubic centimeter; gold has a density of 19.3 grams per cubic centimeter. Since precious metals are usually measured in troy ounces, we multiply by 0.0321507 ounces per gram and 28,316.846 cubic centimeters per cubic foot to give densities of 9559.267 ounces per cubic foot for silver and 17,570,843 ounces per cubic foot for gold. Multiplying these densities times the volumes above gives us 130,360,390,000 ounces of silver and 239,614,810,000 ounces af gold, in the money bin. At the time of this letter, silver was selling for approximately $4.00 an ounce; gold was worth $400.00 an ounce. Scrooge's silver is thus worth $521,441,560,000, and his gold would amount to something like $95,845,924,000,000.00. So we conclude that in today's market his coins alone are valued at over 96 trillion dollars. At the bottom of the bin, of course, crushed under the immense weight of the metal above, lie the fabulous greenbacks which make up the remainder of his umpticatillion, fantasticatillion fortune. (Doug Ftmpley Boulder, CO) ========================================================= MAIL BIN: UNCLE SCROOGE #261 Dear Editor In Uncle Scrooge #256, you printed a letter about the size ot Scrooge's money bin. It gave a size of 136 feet square, 100 feet deep arid 36 feet empty at the top. l'm afraid the calculations are somewhat off. Scrooge is supposed to have 3 cubic acres of cash, and while acre is a measure of area and not cubage in the usual sense, it is used in measuring volume. In irrigation, water is measured by the acre-foot. One acre of area a foot deep, 43,560 cubic feet is one acre-foot. So, l'd consider a cubic acre as the square root of 43,560 = 208.71 feet on aside by the same in depth, that works out to 9,091,408 cubic feet per cubic acre. Then multiply by 3 and you get 27,274,224 cubic feet. Extract the cube root of this and you get just a scratch over 301 feet. As Scrooge has only 99 feet on the money gauge the 27,274,224 divided by 99 would yield an area of 275,497 square feet. Assuming it's a square building, it'd be just a scratch under 525 feet along each side. No matter how you measure it, it's a big pile of piastres. (J.W. Burns - Brockville, Ontario Canada) Dear Editor Strictly speaking, unless Uncle Scrooge's world has six spatial dimensions, the term "cubic acres" is meaningless. An acre is a measure of area, equivalent to 43,560 square feet. A cubic acre would therefore measure approximately 82,653,950.010.000 square feet. Scroge's money shoul be measured in terms of volume - something that can expressed in terms of cubic feet. If you interpret "cubic acre" to mean a cube whose faces each span an acre, then a cubic acre would be equivalent to approximately 9,091,421.781 squre feet (or approximately 208.71 feet per edge). If the interior of the bin were 100 feet high , and the bin had a square footprint, the square's sides would each be approximately 522.248 feet long. It the bin's interior had a square footprint that was 100 feet long on each side, the bin would have to be approximately 2,727,427 feet high. For Scrooge to swim in the bin, the dimensions would have to be larger. (Ricky Chew - San Jose, CA) Dear Editor In response to whether Scrooge has six or nine cubic acres of cash . We know that he has a 3 cubic acre petty cash bin, another 3 acre main bib underneath, and there is very likely another 3 acre area for his gold bullion. Therefore we can assume that the bin is about 9 cubic acres. As for the value of the bullion, it's pretry high! One brick is 7" x 3 5/8" x 1 3/4", and contains approximately 400 troy ounces of gold. If gold is worth about 400 dollars per troy ounce, each brick is worth about 160,000 dollars. If one of Scrooge's cubic acres is 618,593 cubdc feet, and a gold brick is about .026 cubic feet, therefore there are about 72,214,917 bricks in storage. The total value of Scrooge's gold bricks is about $11,554,386,560,000. (Corey Ziemniak - Montgomery, AL) =========================================================== From H.W.Fluks at kpn.com Fri Mar 3 22:44:09 2000 From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com (Fluks, H.W.) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 22:44:09 +0100 Subject: Joachim-stahl Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522A76E4E@l04.research.kpn.com> How come we have so many Scrooges on this list? I mean, Scrooge's Scandinavian name is Joachim or Joakim, and we have - Joachim Stahl; - Joakim Gunnarsson; - Keno Don Rosa - where "Keno" is short for Gioacchino, the Italian form of Joakim... And then there's the origin of the world "dollar". This was taken (through the Dutch "daalder") from German "Thaler", which is short for Joachimsthaler (a coin from Joachimsthal, still used in Entenhausen)! So a "dollar" could be regarded a "Scrooge's-dollar"... Coincidence? It also just occurred to me that Joachim Stahl is just a misspelling of Joachimsthal... Coincidence? 8-) --Harry (not Joachim) Fluks From jorgenb at ifi.uio.no Sat Mar 4 09:21:30 2000 From: jorgenb at ifi.uio.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22J=F8rgen?= Andreas =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bangor=22?=) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 09:21:30 +0100 (MET) Subject: Donald Duck & Co # 9 - 2000, not quite yet Message-ID: <200003040821.26906.reivne.ifi.uio.no@ifi.uio.no> Sorry I didn't get time to send the review yesterday. I'll send it later today. J?rgen From ngalloway at novell.com Sat Mar 4 15:31:02 2000 From: ngalloway at novell.com (Nick Galloway) Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 07:31:02 -0700 Subject: Can I be unsubscribed? Message-ID: From pierrebi at tiscalinet.it Sat Mar 4 10:02:13 2000 From: pierrebi at tiscalinet.it (Pietro Reynaud-Bersanino) Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 10:02:13 Subject: Indians in comics, etc In-Reply-To: <952087711.31274@onelist.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20000304100213.2ea79bda@pop.tiscalinet.it> In DCML digest, Vol 1 #100, you wrote: >Message: 11 >From: sonia_dyer at hp.com >Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:04:39 -0800 >Message-Id: >Subject: Indians in comics, etc > I don't remember EVER seeing any indians in comics in the > USA except in Disney comics (Hiawatha, and the occasional indian > tribe the ducks would meet in their adventures). Who's Yakari, > and what's that about? Yacari is a Belgian Comics by Derib about a young native american at the beginning of last (1800, ... the next will start Jan 1st, 2001) century. For the other answer here is a recent extract ... ============================================================ Date: 27 Feb 2000 10:54:32 -0000 From: ComicsOne at onelist.com Reply-To: ComicsOne at onelist.com Message: 1 Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 17:44:08 -0500 From: "Robert V. Schmidt" <73472.324 at compuserve.com> Subject: Natives in the (comics) news TOM STRONG #3 presented a futuristic version of Mesoamerican culture, the Aztech Empire. Led by ruler Moctecuzoma and computer intelligence Quetzalcoatl-9, these other-dimensional invaders would've conquered the Earth if not for Tom Strong's intervention. See the comic for a speculative look at how Aztec iconography might have evolved with modern technology. NEW ETERNALS #1 added a few formerly unknown godlings to the mix. The newcomers included Ceyote, a.k.a. Tomorrow Hawk, a.k.a. Thomas Hawk (TOM-orrow Hawk...get it?), a Native American from the US Southwest. Good thing, too, since the original Eternals were almost pure white European types. Ceyote didn't do much in this story, but a token is better than nothing. In DAREDEVIL #9, the beginning of a multi-part adventure, Matt Murdock's would-be assassin and potential girlfriend is Maya Lopez, whose father was a Cheyenne nicknamed Crazy Horse. In DD #10 Maya pantomimed a Native legend, but it's not clear how much her Plains ancestry will influence her. X-FORCE #99-100 featured another appearance by Danielle Moonstar's worst nightmare, the Demon Bear. Unfortunately, the Bear, and the story, had almost no Native connection this time 'round. A waste of paper and of Moonstar's character. ========================================================= From acsive at mail.mira.dk Sat Mar 4 16:43:10 2000 From: acsive at mail.mira.dk (Anders Christian Sivebaek) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 16:43:10 +0100 Subject: Komix and AA&Co. (articles) Message-ID: <200003041559.QAA20962@mail.mira.dk> Thanks to Kriton for putting the translation of the articles about Gladstone here. It makes me think that the editors are very wise and analytic. In the danish issue 9 there was a socalled article. Our articles aren't so big, and theyusually are only one page. The article was about if Donald can ever become rich. It refers to the new story in 3 parts (the one that made my eyes get wet!) and to 3 old barks-stories. The stories mentioned are WDC 124, WDC 125 and WDC 144. And this is where some (danish?) editor made a goof. A new kind of goof, one could at least say, earlier they forgot to put references with the summaries of the old stories, and they once forgot to write the issue number, but just AA (meaning our weekly). This time they wrote WDC as i wrote it. As I haven't completely guessed what the *duck* the target group is, I presume that it's still for ten-your-olds mainly. And where should they now what WDC is, means and that the stories have appeared in certain danish issues? As Don said when they made the last goof of 1999: They just can't win! I hope this gets better in the future. A. C. Sivebaek acsive at mail.mira.dk From acsive at mail.mira.dk Sat Mar 4 16:35:32 2000 From: acsive at mail.mira.dk (Anders Christian Sivebaek) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 16:35:32 +0100 Subject: Hiawatha and Yakari Message-ID: <200003041559.QAA20958@mail.mira.dk> Hi I think what Sonia did was to repeat what i said, before she answered. There just was no indicator to this anywhere. Anyway, you asked who Yakari is? He is the star of one of the few album-series I have read. A little Indian who lives with his tribe (am I allowed to use that word?!). I think the artist is french, but the stories are supposed to take place in America I think. Yakari is a bit older, and taller than Hiawatha, who's non-tallness is a bit ridicolus to me. He lives with his family, I think his father is chief (It's some time since I read the whole series), and he has a very nice horse called Thundercloud. He talks to it. I hope it's not un-PC to claim that indians can and could talk to animals. The thought is so beautiful, and very possible, as they are nature-people and understand the living things around them. I guess a white person is sent to a psychiatrist or directly to the closed department if they claim such abbilities? Well, the stories mostly are about Yakari in his home, and he goes on trips, where he gets in dangourous situations, of which he saves himself always. It's a series for children. He often gets in contacts with all kinds of animals. Like bears, his good friends the beavers, and once he met the white bison, who means something very special to Indians, and maybe his tribe in particular. There's no parodicing in the stories, the Indians are humans, who talk danish in my case. My opinoin about Hiawatha is not a big one, as I haven't read many stories with him, only when I was smaller, and the reason I stopped might have been the same as someone mentioned about Rabbit, the plots were too alike... A. C. Sivebaek acsive at mail.mira.dk From jorgenb at ifi.uio.no Sat Mar 4 20:02:29 2000 From: jorgenb at ifi.uio.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22J=F8rgen?= Andreas =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bangor=22?=) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 20:02:29 +0100 (MET) Subject: Donald Duck & Co # 9 - 2000 Message-ID: <200003041902.10782.svafni.ifi.uio.no@ifi.uio.no> Donald Duck & Co # 9 - 2000 Egmont front cover, showing Donald as a pizza delivery man. He's chased into a tree by an angry dog, and Donald is getting back at the dog by giving it pieces of chili pepper from the pizza. The picture is mostly matching the Dutch story H 9542 appearing in the issue. This is rare, but not unique. Story number one is about Huey, Louie and Dewey (D 99143, 12 pages), written by Paul Halas, and drawn by Vicar. There's a new boy at school, and he's making a hell for the other kids, beating them up and threatening them. Donald tries to be understanding, and suggests that he's surely had a tough life. He predicts that his nephews in short time will have the boy as a good friend. The troubles continues, and the nephews decide to get back at him. The experiment blows back at them, and they are chased into a swamp. Now the boy switches to another mode, and rescues them. He explains that he was treated badly at another school because he had problems with math, and this time he had decided that if not he could do things well, neither should anyone else. The nephews say they will help him whenever he needs it. Now, this is exactly the kind of story I feared that the Carol & Pat McGreal story from # 7 (the one with the arrow heads) would turn into. For a time it was quite entertaining, and then it ends up with everyone being kind to each other. Of course this is what we want to happen in reality, and often it works exactly that way, but reading a short story like this about it, I find boring. Story number two is an old one-pager (KF 10-05-52). Story number three is the Dutch Donald Duck story (H 9542, 4 pages), written by Remco Polman, and drawn by Hans van Oudenaarden. Donald has started working as a pizza delivery man, driving around on a small scooter. He hates the job, and wants to quit. His last customer before he has decided to quit is Uncle Scrooge. He has a lot of trouble getting the pizza into the house, and when he at last arrives, the pizza is so destroyed that Scrooge won't pay full price for it. Before the day ends, Donald has one more job to do. He must deliver the day's earnings to the owner - Scrooge. A lot of pages needed to illustrate one point... Story number four is a one-page criminal mystery (D 98366) without credits. Story number five is about the Beagle Boys (D 98337, 8 pages), written by Pat and Carol McGreal, and drawn by Nunez. The Beagle Boys plans to steal the incomes from a musical. But there's a problem. They realize that they will themselves be automatically suspected. To get a secure alibi, they steal a purse from an old woman, and are put in jail. And there's their alibi - a tunnel already dug, at an earlier stay. They leave through it, steal the money, and then try to get into the jail again. But now the problems start. In the meantime, the jail has been totally secured by an expert. It's of course to keep guests from getting out, but it also stops the Beagle Boys from getting in. After some unsuccessfull tries, they give up, and report themselves at the main gate. They will get there anyway, so why delay it. Traditional Beagle Boys style. Not much to say about it really. The art is unusually good for a Beagle Boys story, though. Story number six is another old one-pager (KF 10-24-54). Story number seven is a Mickey Mouse story (D 99004, 10 pages), written by Pat and Carol McGreal, and drawn by Rodriques. Mickey and Pluto are in the cold north, to see a friend of them in a contest with dog sleighs. Pluto admires the dogs (looks like Greenlanders on the shape, but have the drawings of Huskys). One of the other contestors is not of the nice kind, and sabotages the sleigh of Mickey's friend. He's hurt, and Mickey takes his place in the race. Pluto goes with him as a stowaway on the sleigh. When discovered, they have gotten to far, and he's told to run besides the sleigh. After a while the sleighs are stopped by people from a landed helicopter. A village in the area is isolated by an avalanche. The weather is too bad to fly in medicines etc. to the people there, so Mickey and the bad guy's sleigh are loaded with them. The bad guy takes a short route to get there first - then he'll be the hero. Mickey stays in the secure route. Because of the bad weather Pluto loses Mickey's sleigh out of sight, and at the same time the crook loses all his dogs. Mickey reaches the village, but has decided to leave at once, to look for Pluto. He doesn't have to, since Pluto arrives soon after, together with the crook and his sleigh. So Pluto becomes the hero. An entertaing story with a lot of action. There is one thing that puzzles me a bit, though. This situation with isolated villages who desperately needs medicines etc. is a quite common concept of Disney stories. Still, this is something that happens almost every winter in Norway, but never do we hear about heroic attempts to reach them with needed things. I guess experiencing what would be called a natural catastrophe in other countries, six month every year, have made us prepare for such events. Then comes a one-page article about Donald and money - of the Erik H?rthe kind. And there are references to the stories from which the illustrations are taken. I also checked some earlier articles of this kind, and they also had references. Maybe they are removed in Sweden and Denmark? And now to the Donald Duck continuation story (D 99171, 36 pages), written by Andreas Pihl, and drawn by Colomer. The story is about ambitions. Scrooge has it, and it has made him what he is. There are other people having it, but less of it, so they will never reach Scrooge's level. Donald hasn't got it at all, and this Scrooge despises. Gladstone Gander doesn't have it either, but then again, he doesn't need it. Daisy has it to some extent, but limited to being respected by her friends - and that is easier achieved by being seen in the new car Gladstone has won, than besides the wagon from which Donald is selling peanuts. Donald's nephews go through the story mostly as observers, clearing up details. Things are in balance, and everything works more or less to everybody's liking. But then the balance is disturbed, because of Scrooge's ambitions. He can with his enormous fortune control the economy around the world, and he can fool less ambitious finance people to buy his stocks. To make this possible, he also raises the price of peanuts. And that destroys Donald's modest income. Suddenly Donald's ambitions are awakened, and he puts into fruition a ploy to take over Scrooge's fortune. It involves Gladstone's luck, and to get his cooperation, Donald agrees to stay away from Daisy for a year. The result of this is that the next day, Scrooge is broke, and Donald own his entire fortune. And so ends part one. In the beginning of part two, Scrooge is bailed out of prison by Donald's nephews. They stay at their old house, refusing to live with Donald at his new mansion. Scrooge is in a very bad shape. At the same time, there's a big party at Donald's mansion. Everybody who counts are there - among them is the city's mayor, who's entirely in Donald's pocket now. Daisy comes in, but is rejected by Donald (he remembers his deal with Gladstone). The only person at the mansion who's sceptical to Donald's lifestyle is miss Quackfaster. She disturbs him a couple of times with things that must be done. Donald doesn't care, being totally oblivious to the reasons that made Scrooge earn all the money. Suddenly the electricity disappear all over the city because of Donald's irresponsibility, and everyone at the party leave him. Now Donald is without friends, but he's still rich, and can do nothing but relax in the garden if that's what he wants. And that is what he wants. At the same time, Scrooge is giving up. There's nothing for him in this world now. He leaves Donald's nephews, to live a life on the streets. When hiding in the dark besides a garbage bin, he sees Daisy and Gladstone passing by. He hears Gladstone telling Daisy how he helped Donald take over Scrooge's fortune. To illustrate his luck, Gladstone throws away a coin, which Scrooge takes. The ambitions return, and he decides to earn back his fortune. And so ends part two. Donald still hasn't learned the responsibilities coming with the big fortune, and will rather shoot plastic animals in his swimming pool, than care about a big dam threatening to break apart. And just as little does he care about Duckburg's sewage system. At the same time Gladstone is getting bored by Daisy. Earlier he had found it entertaing to contest with Donald about her, but now that she spends all the time with him, the fun is gone. The sewage system starts to fill houses with sewage, and when people are leaving their houses, a flood wave rolls over the city because of the broken dam. Daisy and Gladstone splits apart, and Gladstone leaves her in a gondola floating by the roof they are sitting on. Donald is chased away by angry citizens. Scrooge and the nephews fool the city's less ambitious finance people to invest in a phony company, and Donald recklessly invest in it. Soon after the entire fortune is back on Scrooge's hands, and Donald gets back his old peanut wagon. Scrooge also lowers the peanut price a bit - not to risk anything. Things are not completely back to the normal, though, since Daisy is still angry at Donald... Er, oh! They _are_ back to normal, then. And so ends the story. A rare situation has happened: I hardly know what to say. Andreas Pihl has done a remarkable job on this story. There are no cheap gags, and no space used on irrelevant details, just to fill up space. From beginning to end everything is part of, and just as important to, the story. You just have to read it to understand. And never in a Duck story have I seen writer and artist work so well together in playing on the emotions of the reader. And in this story the art is indeed part of it. Often the art is just an illustration of what's going on in the story, but not in this case. Almost no pages follows the traditional pattern of four tiers and eight pictures, instead the art is on every single page made to fit perfectly to the story (untraditional layout in itself might not be good, though; I hated that IT-Duckburg story in # 6). And apart from the layout of the pages, Colomer has done a wonderful job. This perfect match of the art to the story is something I wouldn't have thought could be possible without the artist writing the story himself. And all the references to Barks stories come as a good bonus. I lack words to describe it further. I hope to see more stories by Pihl. And as I've said before, Colomer is the one of the regular Egmont Duck artists who impresses me most these days. Story number nine is an old one-pager (KF 11-23-41). J?rgen From alipio at ufpel.tche.br Sat Mar 4 21:17:24 2000 From: alipio at ufpel.tche.br (=?ISO-8859-1?Q? Al=EDpio?= d'Oliveira Coelho) Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 17:17:24 -0300 Subject: Brer Rabbit - again... References: <38C0F063.CE0C7EC2@ufpel.tche.br> Message-ID: <38C16F54.33386A7D@ufpel.tche.br> > From: "Arie Fachrisal" > Subject: Brer > Hi all, > So the dialogues were written in southern dialects which may offense > the > blacks. One question, why did the writer write in that dialect then? > If > he/she's some kind of racist, i think he/she wouldn't include the > dialect. > Maybe IMO the writer was living in the southern which he/she oneself > used > spoke in that dialect too??? > > From: sonia_dyer at hp.com > Subject: Brer Rabbit > The characters are mimicking black people's speech and behavior - > > which makes them seen as "black people" (although being rabbits > etc.). > Is this in itself offending? > > Hi Jorgen- > Similarly, in the original Uncle Remus/Brer Rabbit stories, > the rabbit was a very very > clever and inventive fellow. > Sonia > From: bror.hellman at partena.se > > Well, it's written in southern dialect because Bre'r Rabbit and the > other folks are what usually is known as "southern hicks" or farmer/ > country folks. It's an old clich?. Even Goofy speaks similarily in > films. > It's used to depict uneducated, unsophisticated country people, > I don't think anyone could think that Bre'r Bear is ridiculing > "black" people. > > 2) Bre'r Rabbit, Bre'r Bear and Bre'r Fox originally comes from > the feature film "Song of the South", which in it's turn is based > on a collection of folktales, etc. called "Uncle Remus Tales". > Well, the narrator in this movie is an old black man. Depicted in > the fashion of the time, which today is much more controversial, > and is - in my opinion - very stereotypical. > Now, I live in Sweden, so I might have got some facts wrong, > but this is how I understand it. > Uncle Remus' stories are written by Joel Chandler Harris. They are tales to preserve the slave culture. UncleRemus was a old, black, CLEVER slave and some stories even appeared on medical literature. This is the introduction of a special article published on The American Journal of Medicine:"UNCLE REMUS AND THE CASCADE EFFECT IN CLINICAL MEDICINE Brer Rabbit Kicks the Tar-Baby" "When Joel Chandler Harris published his Uncle Remus stories more than a century ago, his major purpose was the preservation of a part of the unique antebellum plantation slave culture, which he feared would otherwise soon be forgotten. To accomplish this, he invented the character of the wise and kindly slave-philosopher Uncle Remus. As much as he was concerned about the accurate portrayal of the details of the folklore, the allegoric interpretations of the legends were of little concern to Harris (he was gladly willing to defer all such interpretations to "the scientists"). However, the Uncle Remus stories are much like Aesop's fables, in that each can be considered a parable with a fairly obvious message." (K. Patrick Ober, M.D. - The American Journal of Medicine - May 1987,vol 82, page 1009-13) Anders: | What is political correctness? It is a plague! A plague which we should fight to keep away from Scandinavia and other more or less unaffected areas. J?rgen That's true. Congratulations! Brer Alipio From mrolink at study.haifa.ac.il Sun Mar 5 16:50:02 2000 From: mrolink at study.haifa.ac.il (Michal Rolink) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 17:50:02 +0200 (IST) Subject: a new user Message-ID: hello everybody, i am a new user to this mailing list. i am very much interested in disney comics. i would appriciate any information about this list. by the way my name is miki and i am from israel - nice to meet ya all. thanks heaps, me. From RMorris306 at aol.com Sun Mar 5 17:22:27 2000 From: RMorris306 at aol.com (RMorris306@aol.com) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 11:22:27 EST Subject: Uncle Remus, Indians, Ducks et al Message-ID: <76.1f2a1e2.25f3e3c3@aol.com> A few comics on recent digests: Al Coelho is quite right about Uncle Remus and Br'er Rabbit. Many of the tales have roots in Africa (where stories about trickster heroes like Anansi the spider and the hare whose names include Wakaima and Sungura are told), but were adapted to the slaves' new home and status. Joel Chandler Harris did the same thing for those stories that the Brothers Grimm did for the folk and fairy tales of Germany: he didn't write the stories, but he did preserve for posterity the tales from an oral tradition that was in danger of extinction in an era of increasing literacy. (In a truly hideous attempt to maintain control, some pre-Civil War Southern states actually made it a crime to teach slaves to read or write, thinking that a literate population would be harder to enslave.) Harris's dialect was a sincere attempt to capture the speech patterns of the slaves, which he thought added to the atmosphere. And it probably did. Many respected writers of the time, like Charles Dickens and Mark Twain, did the same with their characters...except that Dickens' dialect characters, being mostly lower-class white people (Cockneys and the like), weren't as likely to get the same sort of accusations of racism. There have actually been quite a few Indians in American comics. Many, like Disney's Hiawatha (and later Pocohontas, and even the Indians in PETER PAN) originated in other media. The Lone Ranger, for instance, originated on radio, but went on to appear in television, movies, and of course comics, and in all those media he was accompanied by his faithful Indian companion, Tonto. Indeed, Tonto not only appeared in the Lone Ranger's comic book from Dell/Western, but also had one of his own. (Then again, so did Silver...the Lone Ranger's horse.) And the comics also gave Tonto probably his most famous line, from a MAD magazine parody ("TV Scenes We'd Like to See") scripted by long-time DC Comics editor E. Nelson Bridwell: (The Lone Ranger and Tonto are surrounded by hostile Indians.) LONE RANGER: Uh-oh! We're in for it now! TONTO: What do you mean "we," paleface? The line has been quoted and requoted (usually in recent years with "paleface" replaced by the more PC "white man") endlessly in similar real-life situations. There've been a lot more Indian heroes in comics. DC Comics alone has featured Pow-Wow Smith (a Sioux lawman who became sheriff of a Western town, and starred for well over a decade in DETECTIVE COMICS and ALL-STAR WESTERN), Strong Bow (a Native American archer), Super-Chief (a rather strange Gardner Fox/Carmine Infantino creation who wore a buffalo head mask), and Arak (a 10th-century Indian brought to the Old World by Viking explorers, who starred in a memorably fantasy series by Roy Thomas). There were also Firehair and Scalphunter, both white men raised by Indians who dressed in Native American style. Several other characters, including DC's Tomahawk and Jonah Hex and Harvey Comics' Clay Duncan (the foreman of Simon & Kirby's BOYS' RANCH in the early '50's, and arguably the true hero of the series) were also white men raised and trained by Indians. Indeed, Tomahawk eventually married a Native American woman, and his son Hawk, who was therefore half-Indian, took over as the star of the series. Robert Kanigher's war titles featured a number of ethnic minorities, including an Indian World War II pilot named Johnny Cloud. The one DC super-hero I can think of who was a Native American was Dawnstar of the Legion of Super-Heroes, a series set in the 30th century. She was a bit of a stereotype (her power consisted of superhuman tracking skill), but she wasn't that badly handled as a general rule. Marvel Comics seemed to have fewer non-super feature characters (one exception being another Gardner Fox creation: a Western hero named Red Wolf), but it had a few more Indian super-heroes...Danielle Moonstar (Shaman) of the New Mutants has been mentioned, but there was also Thunderbird of the New X-Men. He was rather regrettably killed off early in the run, but his brother Warbird, who had the same mutant powers, later appeared. On another note, I see that Emil Eagle, once cited by Don Rosa as one of his least favorite villains (because of his species, not usually found in Disney funny-animal comics) is the villain of the current storyline in the MICKEY MOUSE newspaper strip. Which is interesting in the light of supposed Disney policy about not mixing-and-matching villains (wasn't it once said that they didn't want to use the Phantom Blot in a Duck story, or the Beagle Boys in a Mickey Mouse story?), but Emil, a Gyro Gearloose villain who's hitherto appeared exclusively in Gyro and Duck stories, would seem to be a definite change...so maybe Mickey COULD go up against the Beagle Boys or Magica deSpell one day? (Considering that Carl Barks himself did several Duck stories with Mickey's arch-foe Black Pete as the villain, it seems only fair.) Finally, Don Rosa himself occasionally seems to have veered from his stated policy of making all his characters ducks, dogs, or occasionally pigs. I was recently rereading his delightful story "Oolated Luck," and who do we see as supporting characters but the Phishkisser Brothers, who, as one might guess from the names, are literal fish-faces! Not that I'm complaining, mind you, but I've never minded the variety of the faces in the Disney comics, either. (And, Don, I have to know...is there really such a thing as oolated squiggs? I've never heard of them, and always assumed not...but it'd be just like you to toss in something real, especially if it had an outrageous name like that. Cf: Monkey's Eyebrow, Kentucky...) Take care, Rich Morrissey From sko at acoustics.dk Sun Mar 5 20:20:17 2000 From: sko at acoustics.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren?= Krarup Olesen) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 20:20:17 +0100 Subject: Scamp questionnaire Message-ID: <00030520392900.02562@localhost.localdomain> Hi folks. I would like to thank for the contributions to the Scamp questionnaire at http://raptus.dk/scamp but we still need the names for many of the characters in Manuel Gonzales' Scamp univers. When I was young(er) many of these beautiful Scamp one-pagers were assembled in books here in Denmark, providing a great alternative to the usual bedtime stories. The only problem is, that those compilations were in Danish, and what we are looking for here are the original English/American names of the subordinare--yet important--characters. Ole & Søren From HorizonHse at aol.com Sun Mar 5 20:52:39 2000 From: HorizonHse at aol.com (HorizonHse@aol.com) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 14:52:39 EST Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #103 - 6 msgs Message-ID: <65.22e6991.25f41507@aol.com> i don't think people object to the song of the south cartoons so much as the presentation of the slaves in the feature film from which the cartoons come. They are shown as happy, contented "workers" -- not as slaves -- who sing on their way to the fields and on there way back to their "cabins." Their only concerns are the welfare of their masters, who in turn understand their "responsibilities" to care for these "simple folk.". This is not stereotyped. It is completely false. I think some of us are confusing what is politically correct with what is right. Slavery was politically correct in the South until the 13th amendment. It was not right, however. From kyrimis at cti.gr Mon Mar 6 10:24:19 2000 From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:24:19 +0200 (EET) Subject: Story analyses In-Reply-To: <200003051120.MAA31374@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: ANDERS CHRISTIAN: > Thanks to Kriton for putting the translation of the articles about > Gladstone here. > It makes me think that the editors are very wise and analytic. Some times I think that they are *too* analytical. E.g., last month's article on Gladstone's luck was over-analytical, not to mention that it repeated things that they had already mentioned in Don's interview a few pages earlier. Do we really need such articles that explain everything, leaving nothing to imagination? After all, you don't see similar articles at the end (or, heaven forbid, the beginning) of novels, explaining what it is that you have just read!!! Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr) (WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis ----- "If they can use their brains, why can't we use ours?" ----- From Vic.Pratt at bfi.org.uk Mon Mar 6 12:20:36 2000 From: Vic.Pratt at bfi.org.uk (Vic Pratt) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 11:20:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: MICKEY MOUSE DAILY Message-ID: <"D8ZYJAGB5M7*/R=ALPHA2/R=A1/U=VIC PRATT/"@MHS> Hi folks I just wondered whether anybody knew if the MICKEY MOUSE daily strip is syndicated online? I read DICK TRACY every day courtesy of the net, but I don't know which syndicate does the MOUSE strip...and do they still run a DONALD DUCK strip? They certainly don't run either in England, though about ten years ago they ran a weekend Mouse supplement in the Mirror newspaper, which was what first turned me on to the original and best 30s Mickey... Thanks Vic From frilans.bamse at egmont.se Mon Mar 6 12:49:52 2000 From: frilans.bamse at egmont.se (Frilans Bamse SE - HMJ) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:49:52 +0100 Subject: The many names of Joakim de Scrooge. Message-ID: <91E2BD72AB8BD3119FFB00508B55F07E152413@MMAHMJD1-XCH01> Harry wrote: > How come we have so many Scrooges on this list? I mean, Scrooge's > Scandinavian name is Joachim or Joakim, and we have > > - Joachim Stahl; > - Joakim Gunnarsson; > - Keno Don Rosa - where "Keno" is short for Gioacchino, the Italian form > of > Joakim... [...] > Coincidence? > And add to that: We are working for Egmont all three of us... Coincidence? Also: My full name is "Per Joakim Gunnarsson". In Scrooges first appearence in Sweden his name was... hold your breath... "Per"!!! Coincidence? Guess I was born to be a Donaldist. :-) /Per Joakim Gunnarsson From kyrimis at cti.gr Mon Mar 6 13:15:37 2000 From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:15:37 +0200 (EET) Subject: Emil Eagle, Oolated squiggs, etc. In-Reply-To: <200003061100.MAA10652@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: RICH: > Emil, a Gyro Gearloose villain who's > hitherto appeared exclusively in Gyro and Duck stories Emil Eagle has been used in MM stories by Murry (I remember one where he had invented a boiler-shaped robot with a funnel for a nose!), and he's often appeared in Super Goof stories as the villain. I don't know if Barks invented or just used this character, but Emil ceased belonging exclusively to the duck universe a long time ago. > Finally, Don Rosa himself occasionally seems to have veered from his > stated policy of making all his characters ducks, dogs, or occasionally pigs. > I was recently rereading his delightful story "Oolated Luck," and who do we > see as supporting characters but the Phishkisser Brothers, I would think that, like Roger Rabbit, who can only do something if it is funny, Don adheres strictly to the duck/dog/pig rule, unless veering from it is funny. > (And, Don, I have to know...is there really such a thing as oolated > squiggs? I've never heard of them, and always assumed not...but it'd be just > like you to toss in something real, especially if it had an outrageous name > like that. Cf: Monkey's Eyebrow, Kentucky...) After reading "Oolated Luck", I couldn't stop myself laughing at the thought of the name "oolated squigg". However, the credit for the name must go to Barks, who used the term as a background detail in a panel in one of his stories (which?). As to whether it means anything, well, of course it does; as you well know, squiggs are slippery, so they oolate them!!! OK, for those who relly want to know, a squigg is a crossing between a squid and a fig. This animal is coated with a thick layer of a greasy substance that is used in the cosmetics industry (the well-known Oil of Oolay series of cosmetics use it as a base), oolation is the process of extracting this oil, and yes, I'm making all this up. :-) Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr) (WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis ----- "I don't think I'm quite hostage material, actually. You usually find the job spec requires a small blonde screamer who trips and faints at the slightest provocation." ----- From donrosa at iglou.com Mon Mar 6 14:17:39 2000 From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:17:39 -0500 Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #104 - 5 msgs References: <200003061100.MAA10650@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <000f01bf876e$5a15e580$30efffcc@default> From: RMorris306 at aol.com >>>>Finally, Don Rosa himself occasionally seems to have veered from his stated policy of making all his characters ducks, dogs, or occasionally pigs. I was recently rereading his delightful story "Oolated Luck," and who do we see as supporting characters but the Phishkisser Brothers, who, as one might guess from the names, are literal fish-faces! You thought I would have FISH-people walking the streets of Duckburg? Even the editors who ran these comics when Disney published them would not have done that! The Phishkisser boys were just normal Barksian dog-men, black noses, floppy ears. They just had kissers that looked like phish, with their big lips, glasses and hair-do. >>>(And, Don, I have to know...is there really such a thing as oolated squiggs? I've never heard of them, and always assumed not... There are oolated squiggs okay, but only in Duckburg. There was a can labelled "OOLATED SQUIGGS" showing in a cupboard that Donald is looking in in some old Barks tale... I don't recall which one. I think there was even a little picture of a fish on the can, indicating that a squigg is some sort of fish prior to oolation. From j.stahl at ehapa.de Mon Mar 6 15:06:08 2000 From: j.stahl at ehapa.de (Stahl, Joachim GE - EV) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:06:08 +0100 Subject: DCML digest Vol 1 # 102 Message-ID: <30FFF02BA89AD3118BD50004ACBD42A24D0319@STREVD1-XCH01> Subject: Harry Fluks Believe it or not, I don't just share Scrooge's Scandinavian name, but among my colleagues I'm also notorious for being so thrifty! As I child I loved so save money and keep it in a casket - I must have spent days counting it. And today I'm proud of saving money by driving to work all year long on my rather rusty bike instead of buying a car. Coincidence? 8-) Joachim Stahl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20000306/b80d5691/attachment.html From cnotw at zen.it Mon Mar 6 16:27:24 2000 From: cnotw at zen.it (Luca Boschi) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 16:27:24 +0100 Subject: Bark's Emil Eagle? Message-ID: <20000306152700Z358441-48350+107@merganser.its.uu.se> Hi, Kriton and all! > > Emil Eagle has been used in MM stories by Murry (I remember one where > he had invented a boiler-shaped robot with a funnel for a nose!) Yes, true, but also other artists drew him with Mice. I remember a loong story in the 90es' "Mickey Mouse" published by Disney (with S. De Stefano & friends' art), and even some made in Italy stories, like a recent one, written by G. Cordara, in which he was Super Goof's villain. The following week he was operating in Duckburg against Uncle $crooge. > I don't know > if Barks invented or just used this character He was created by Vic Lockman, and drawn by some different artists. I remember an early version (taller, with not much feathers) by Tony Strobl, many stories by Phil DeLara and so on. Barks NEVER used him. Bye! Luca From wunderwurm at gmx.ch Mon Mar 6 23:42:54 2000 From: wunderwurm at gmx.ch (wunderwurm@gmx.ch) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 23:42:54 +0100 (MET) Subject: Wundermild is back online - Gottfredson page updated, too: now rare comic book material available References: <200003061100.MAA10650@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <13494.952382574@www16.gmx.net> Hi Folks, I have been offline for almost two months, but now my ISP is working again (FINALLY). Unfortunately, I had no access to my email account, too, which is BAD as GMX deletes all messages older than one month, so any mail that was sent to me (wunderwurm at gmx.ch OR krustik at oldenbuerger.de, the latter being an anonymous remailer) before Feb.6 was dumped without being noticed. Among them was a kind offer of one of the list members (from Italy, I presume) who offered to contribute information on printed Gottfredson sources. I forgot who it was, and my ISP broke down before I could answer him, and now his email is gone down the loo. Of course, his help is greatly appreciated, and I would be glad to hear from him again. Anyway: I have updated my Gottfredson page (see http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Easel/4942/index.htm ), but not (yet) with Gottfredson material, but instead I have added a section on rare comic book stories. I have set a link to images an old site showing the famous entire "Atom Bomb" story by Carl Barks of 1947 (I have set up that site some years ago anonymously), and in addition I have uploaded brand-new scans of two Wheaties premium giveaway publications (A-2 and B-8, respectively), i.e. "Grandma Duck, Homespun Detective", and "Donald Duck, Klondike Kid", both penciled by Riley Thomson, writers unknown. I was lucky to obtain these rare piccolo-sized comic books a few days ago. I now have a few other rarities, and I plan to make them publicly accessible in not-too-distant future. And now a plea for help: Among the rarities of the Wheaties lot there is a copy of issue C-1 ("Donald Duck and the Inca Idol", drawn by Paul Murry), unfortunately the back cover (including the story's last page) is missing. Is there anyone on this list who can provide me a scan of that particular page? A scan of 100 dpi out of the original comic book would be superb, but an image scanned out of an Italian reprint (reprints of Wheaties premiums in Italy are the only I know of) will do, too, of course. Thanks in advance. BTW, direct access to the comic book rarities page is: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Easel/4942/rare.htm WW -- Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net From pierrebi at tiscalinet.it Mon Mar 6 07:53:34 2000 From: pierrebi at tiscalinet.it (Pietro Reynaud-Bersanino) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 07:53:34 Subject: My whife talk to animals! In-Reply-To: <200003051114.MAA31301@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20000306075334.1c4703b6@pop.tiscalinet.it> In DCML digest, Vol 1 #103, "Anders Christian Sivebaek" wrote: >I hope it's not un-PC to claim that indians can and could talk to >animals. The thought is so beautiful, and very possible, as they are >nature-people and understand the living things around them. I guess a >white person is sent to a psychiatrist or directly to the closed >department if they claim such abbilities? My whife is pink, (or white if you prefer !), and she talks to animals. Of course she cannot make logical talks, because animals are not logical, but she (like many others people of every skin colours) can comunicate sentiment in a different way of me and other common people! In my opinion it is the sound of her voice, but that is not enough ... she can understand sentiments that animals comunicate to her. She do not claim such abbilities, because before i told her she did not realized her abbility, it was natural to her. I think we cannot forgive that human being are culture but also nature. Of course for a western culture human person is difficult to remember that he/she is nature, but this awareness is necessary to permit our world to go on. I think this is one of the messages Carl Barks send to the world with many of his stories. >My opinoin about Hiawatha is not a big one, as I haven't read many >stories with him, only when I was smaller, and the reason I stopped >might have been the same as someone mentioned about Rabbit, the plots >were too alike... In my opinion the best in Yakari is the design of the pages! From dghez at hotmail.com Tue Mar 7 10:22:35 2000 From: dghez at hotmail.com (Didier Ghez) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 01:22:35 PST Subject: Disney in Hebrew in the 40s ? Message-ID: <20000307092235.81889.qmail@hotmail.com> Hi, I heard a while ago a collector mention that he had found two magazines published in the 40s in Palestine, in hebew, that seemed to be equivalents of Mickey Mouse Magazine (or Le Journal de Mickey)for that region. I know for a fact that those two magazines exist and I was wondering if by some shere luck any member of the list would know how I could see at least one of those (as I was never able to get the collector to show them to me). Best. Didier ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dve at kabelfoon.nl Tue Mar 7 14:50:17 2000 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:50:17 +0100 Subject: Oolated squiggs Message-ID: <20000307134324.8F36B3AC3@maillist.kabelfoon.nl> RICH MORRISSEY, KRITON KYRIMIS and DON ROSA, 6 MARCH 2000: The can with "oolated squiggs" is a background detail in panel 4.4 of the good joe's turkey shoot story (WDC 75). This panel also shows a can of "acme swoffs", while panel 4.2 shows a can of "Barks dog soup". Just a thought: Very likely I try to see more in the story than actually intended, but could Good Joe be a caricature of Carl Barks? The reason why I saying this is that especially in panels 6.5 and 6.6, Joe looks very much like the caricatures made of Carl Barks during his time at the Disney Studio. An example of that could be the "You'd better go over it!" drawing in Michael Barrier's book "Carl Barks and the Art of the Comic Book" (1981). In "Sherrif of Bullet Valley" (OS 199) and the Olympic tryout story (WDC 188) Barks obviously used self-caricatures, so maybe the Good Joe story could be another instance? Again, it's just a thought. I'm curious what others think about this. Greetings, --- Daniel http://www.acciom.se/barks/index.html "But NO!... He has REACHED the tape, but he hasn't enough PUSH left to BREAK it!" From wanders at usa.com Tue Mar 7 15:08:16 2000 From: wanders at usa.com (Wes Andersen) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 09:08:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: Mickey Mouse Daily Message-ID: <383308321.952438096431.JavaMail.root@web05.pub01> Vic: "I just wondered whether anybody knew if the MICKEY MOUSE daily strip is syndicated online?" The San Jose Mercury News's online site has a plethora of comics to choose from, including MMDaily. Go to http://www.mercurycenter.com/ and click on the comics link. You can set up your own "personalized comics" page and Mickey, Minnie, Goofy and Big Bad Pete (ooooh) will be waiting for you every morning. -- Wes 2 ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com?sr=mc.mk.mcm.tag001 From acsive at mail.mira.dk Tue Mar 7 16:49:26 2000 From: acsive at mail.mira.dk (Anders Christian Sivebaek) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 16:49:26 +0100 Subject: Re #103 - REF Message-ID: <200003071548.QAA21513@mail.mira.dk> J?rgen > Then comes a one-page article about Donald and money - of the Erik > H?rthe > kind. And there are references to the stories from which the > illustrations are taken. In the danish edition of this, the references are to WDC-comics... not the danish publications. I certainly hope yours are to DD-comics... > I also checked some earlier articles of this kind, and they > also had references. Of course > Maybe they are removed in Sweden and Denmark? I don't know about Sweden, but for some reason they are sometimes, and only sometimes removed. At other times the ref's have been perfect. Sometimes there's been one ref. missing... AC From acsive at mail.mira.dk Tue Mar 7 16:43:03 2000 From: acsive at mail.mira.dk (Anders Christian Sivebaek) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 16:43:03 +0100 Subject: Re #104 , welcome, articles Message-ID: <200003071548.QAA21505@mail.mira.dk> Welcome to Michal Rolink Kriton I'm sorry that the articles in Komix may be too analytical and maybe repeating themselves > Do we really need such articles that explain everything, > leaving nothing to imagination? I wouldn't say. On the other hand I like the articles in Komix, Picsou and Gladstone comics better than I like the articles in the dansih weekly. The ones in danish may be shortened from the original and as I said before the references seem to be removed. I wont go so far as to caling the editor evil (that can hit back at a place like this I heard), but what he/she does when removing the ref's is iritating. I don't know if that editor also tranlates or if that's the job of the actual translator (who's been there since 1992 and does some brilliant Rosa-translations from time to time) > After all, you don't see similar articles > at the end (or, heaven forbid, the beginning) of novels, explaining > > what it is that you have just read!!! That is not impossible. In my english edition of the Brave new world by Huxley, which is unfortunately an editon for educational use, there is a big analysis of the novel... From acsive at mail.mira.dk Tue Mar 7 16:35:14 2000 From: acsive at mail.mira.dk (Anders Christian Sivebaek) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 16:35:14 +0100 Subject: Re #105 Joakim, Animals Message-ID: <200003071548.QAA21501@mail.mira.dk> Per Joakim There certainly are some coincidences about this Joakim-name. Kriton > > I was recently rereading his delightful story "Oolated Luck," and who do we > > see as supporting characters but the Phishkisser Brothers, That those supporting charecters are what they are is simply so logical, and screamingly funny! > like that. Cf: Monkey's Eyebrow, Kentucky...) How about Yelli-babies? ;-) Don > There was a can > labelled "OOLATED SQUIGGS" showing in a cupboard that Donald > is looking in > in some old Barks tale... Hrmmm! There it is: The same story as the Barks Dog food, and that's... GB 13 Now, this is a guess: Turky-story: WDC 75, on page 4 panel 2 Donald looks in a cupboard, and panel 4 shows a can with a fish. In the danish version it says fish soup. Is this close? Kriton, you can check this if you want. Joachim Biking is healthy for you, but maybe you should buy a new bike, if the old one is rusty (or maybe you're joking there) But there sure is some magic in that name. Luca about Emil > Barks NEVER used him. I thought so, it confused me seeing the other thing stated here. Well, the reason why some believe that he is a barks-charecter is that Gyro is that, and those two often compete, and Gyro almost always wins. I have a friend who likes Emil very much. Hi Rob. Pietro Reynaud-Bersanino I'm glad to hear that your wife has that ability. This shows that some whites/pinkare close to animals. And I'm sad that I can't myself talk to my rabbit. (She would tell me that the illness next to hear left eye is iritating) > In my opinion the best in Yakari is the design of the pages! I see. From fernandopventura at uol.com.br Tue Mar 7 18:27:16 2000 From: fernandopventura at uol.com.br (Fernando Ventura) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:27:16 -0300 Subject: How to conserve our comics?! Message-ID: <000101bf885a$67a405a0$7d81e6c8@fernando> I like to ask to all the members from the list how you conserve yours comics? I have more or less 2000 Disney comics and i'm troubled about conserve it. What you do? OOOps! It is a off-topic theme! I'm sorry... Fernando Ventura From chuckm_1962 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 7 19:41:46 2000 From: chuckm_1962 at yahoo.com (Chuck Munson) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:41:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: Vol. 1, #104 - Song of the South Era Message-ID: <20000307184146.14810.rocketmail@web222.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, Delurking for a minute to clear up a common misconception about the time-frame of "Song of the South". HorizonHse at aol.com wrote: i don't think people object to the song of the south cartoons so much as the presentation of the slaves in the feature film from which the cartoons come ...... Slavery was politically correct in the South until the 13th amendment. It was not right, however. While I'm not attempting to contradict or even comment upon the entire issue of American race relations which constantly are churned up whenever this movie is mentioned and seemingly necessitates a thorough explanation of the last 400 years of the history of this continent in order to give our non-North American members some understanding of the power this issue has, the film itself is set post-Civil War, not pre-Civil War. Therefore, while there was no lack of impediments remaining to tie any of the blacks depicted in the film to the plantation where they were at the end of the Civil War, they were not "legally" slaves. That is as off-topic as I feel I should get, but hope that helps with understanding film's context. Take care, Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From donrosa at iglou.com Wed Mar 8 14:00:28 2000 From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 08:00:28 -0500 Subject: DCML digest #106 References: <200003081100.MAA07887@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <003401bf88ff$bb9b0500$beecffcc@default> From: "Fernando Ventura" >>>I like to ask to all the members from the list how you conserve yours comics? The best way to conserve/preserve comics or any old magazines, etc., is to come as close as you conveniently can to the following: keep the comics packed fairly tightly, standing on edge like books, in archival-quality (no acid content) cardboard file boxes in a cool, dark room with the ideal humidity of 50%. You do NOT (and I am eager to answer anytime anyone asks this question in order to dispel this silly myth), repeat, you do NOT need to, and in fact SHOULD not keep them in "comic bags" with or without "backing boards". Those things are good when the comics are in the hands of a dealer where they will be moved around and handled frequently by shoppers. But the bags not only do not help preserve the comics, they actually do damage to them in the long run due to the chemicals in the cheap plastic. It is not a *bad* idea to keep older comics in Mylar comic bags, but it's pointless to use the expensive ones that cost $1 each. I do put my older issues, more or less any of them that I did not persoanlly buy off the stands since 1965, in the things called "Mylites" (very thin Mylar) simply so that I do not have to worry about handling them. But even the Mylites cost 20 cents each or more, and that can run into some $ if you have lotsa funnybooks. Just remember that the bags never preserve the comics, only protect them from handling if they are fragile. Comics (at least American ones) are printed on cheap paper that will decompose within a century no matter how you store the things... which doesn't bother me much since I'll do the same thing and be beyond caring at that point. Rare or historical books are preserved at the Library of Congress by being dis-assembled and put through chemical baths and drying processes... but doing that to a comic book would so change it from it's original integral beauty that it should sooner be photographed and digitally stored on CDs, and then the original allowed to turn to dust in its own sweet time. From DGE at ECN.egmont.com Wed Mar 8 15:05:29 2000 From: DGE at ECN.egmont.com (Gerstein, David DK - ECN) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 15:05:29 +0100 Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #103 - 6 msgs Message-ID: <716EC96EB1D2D011BE3200805FC1974381D86C@CPHEGTD1-XCH02> Hey Horizon, >i don't think people object to the song of the south cartoons so much as the >presentation of the slaves in the feature film from which the cartoons come. >They are shown as happy, contented "workers" -- not as slaves Workers, not slaves. That's absolutely right... ...because (as the film's shooting script and various novelizations make clear) the film is set in the 1880s, two decades *after* the end of slavery. The problem is that it's not made particularly clear, so many viewers assume that the black characters in the film are supposed to be slaves. Of course, even as workers, African-Americans of the 1880s led pretty dismal, racism-ridden lives. SONG OF THE SOUTH is a mixed bag in that case. We do see that Johnny's (white) parents do treat Uncle Remus quite unfairly - so unfairly that he plans to move away, which makes them change their tune. On the other hand, the movie unfortunately shows the other black farm workers as content with their lot and looking up all-too-reverently to their white employers. In light of this mixed bag, it's interesting to read Walter Koenig's book _Mouse Under Glass_ (an analysis of Disney films published in recent years). It talks about how SONG OF THE SOUTH represents a battle between two scriptwriters: one more liberal, one more old-fashioned. The liberal writer wanted to make the plantation impoverished, with its owners owing money to the black farmhands - and the farmhands protesting this, forming one of the plot's major crises. The old-fashioned writer wanted to do an old-style plantation stereotype. The old-fashioned writer had more power, and got his way. What a shame, for SONG OF THE SOUTH's live sequences aren't just somewhat stereotypical; they're as boring as they come. David Gerstein From fernandopventura at uol.com.br Wed Mar 8 16:50:00 2000 From: fernandopventura at uol.com.br (Fernando Ventura) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 12:50:00 -0300 Subject: Thanks!!! Message-ID: <002b01bf8915$f8598c80$9655e7c8@fernando> Thanks to Harald (that answer me privatelly) and Don about the answers on my off-topic question! Fernando Ventura From vidar-svendsen at c2i.net Wed Mar 8 21:44:04 2000 From: vidar-svendsen at c2i.net (Vidar Svendsen) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 21:44:04 +0100 Subject: FYI Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000308214404.0079ece0@popw.c2i.net> The Israeli publisher of Disney comics is Maharechet weminhala Homa wemigdal Street 2 TEL AVIV 61090 Telephone: 63 837 37 (prefix should be 00972-3-) Fax: 63 837 19 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Vidar Svendsen http://members.home.com/vsvendsen/ "Nothing travels faster than the speed of light with the possible exception of bad news, which obeys its own special laws." From vidar-svendsen at c2i.net Wed Mar 8 22:36:33 2000 From: vidar-svendsen at c2i.net (Vidar Svendsen) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 22:36:33 +0100 Subject: Pigeons Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000308223633.0079a100@popw.c2i.net> Do you remeber any stories where our friends use carrier pigeons? I remember two: the one where Scrooge sends one million and gets two million back, A Spicy Tale (US 39), Racing Pigeon "Rocketwing" (WDC 139) and How green was my Lettuce (US 51). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Vidar Svendsen http://members.home.com/vsvendsen/ "Nothing travels faster than the speed of light with the possible exception of bad news, which obeys its own special laws." From kyrimis at cti.gr Thu Mar 9 08:11:14 2000 From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 09:11:14 +0200 (EET) Subject: SQUIGGS 'R' US Message-ID: I've put a few scans from "Turkey Trouble" on my site: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis/pics/squiggs.jpg shows the panel with the oolated squiggs. http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis/pics/dogsoup.jpg shows the panel with Barks dog soup. http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis/pics/goodjoe.jpg shows Southside Good Joe, who one list member thought was a self-caricature of Barks. To my eyes, the type of long snout that Joe has suggests that he is portrayed as a weasel (i.e., a not very honest person) and not as a Barks caricature. Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr) (WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis ----- "I pause for the customary gasps of surprise while you try to adjust your thinking to accept the notion that anyone could possibly find any fault in so witty and charming fellow as I." ----- From troschke at statistik.uni-dortmund.de Thu Mar 9 10:05:47 2000 From: troschke at statistik.uni-dortmund.de (Sven-Oliver Troschke) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 10:05:47 +0100 Subject: Story analyses (Kriton Kyrimis) References: <200003061100.MAA10652@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <38C7696A.B883FB39@amadeus.statistik.uni-dortmund.de> Hi, ANDERS CHRISTIAN: > > Thanks to Kriton for putting the translation of the articles about > > Gladstone here. > > It makes me think that the editors are very wise and analytic. KRITON: > Some times I think that they are *too* analytical. E.g., last month's > article on Gladstone's luck was over-analytical, not to mention that it > repeated things that they had already mentioned in Don's interview a few > pages earlier. Do we really need such articles that explain everything, > leaving nothing to imagination? After all, you don't see similar articles > at the end (or, heaven forbid, the beginning) of novels, explaining what > it is that you have just read!!! In German Disney publications we don't see any articles like this at all. The only exception are Don's comments on his stories in our Rosa album series. I must say, I should like to read such stuff more often here in Germany, but I realize that there is hardly any title, where such things would fit. One may debate if the latest article in Komix was too analytical or not. I myself like to see a somehow 'scientific approach' to the area every once in a while. Then, it is a matter of taste of how deep an analysis you prefer. Anyway, I think you are quite lucky, that you have those articles in Greece. And, of course, I am very grateful, that Kriton takes the labour of translating these articles for us. It must be a lot of work. Thank you very much! Bye, Sven From Jan.Follak at uni-konstanz.de Thu Mar 9 16:16:07 2000 From: Jan.Follak at uni-konstanz.de (Jan Follak) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 16:16:07 +0100 Subject: Saving comic books In-Reply-To: <200003091100.MAA29564@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000309161607.007ce700@popserver.uni-konstanz.de> Don Rosa: >Rare or historical >books are preserved at the Library of Congress by being dis-assembled and >put through chemical baths and drying processes... but doing that to a >comic book would so change it from it's original integral beauty that it >should sooner be photographed and digitally stored on CDs, and then the >original allowed to turn to dust in its own sweet time. First: I don't think this is an off-topic theme (as Fernando Ventura said), because with the comic books gone there's not much use both to the DCML and the INDUCKS that are dedicated to them. I'm actually thinking of having my collection of Disney comic books undergo those chemical procedures you talk about, at least the old ones. I bought most of them second hand and some are in a not so very good condition. By having the acid taken out I could enjoy them longer, because they are not getting worse (I know you can't improve them). Secondly, they would be preserved for future generations. I don't think many people will have their comic books chemically treated, so they could completely disappear one fine day. This would be my way to do something against that. I should add that German comics are printed on much better paper than the American ones, so I think it's worth the expense. I spoke with a librarian about how to get the acid out of the comics that destroys them, and I got the impression that it's neither difficult nor too expensive. Maybe I'm getting too off-topic NOW. If someone knows more about that process or has had it done, I'd be happy about some infos (by private e-mail). - Jan From dghez at hotmail.com Thu Mar 9 16:30:59 2000 From: dghez at hotmail.com (Didier Ghez) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 07:30:59 PST Subject: Expocartoon Message-ID: <20000309153059.52641.qmail@hotmail.com> Hi, I was just wondering who would attend this edition of Expocartoon and when. Also, I wonder if there is a web site as UI can not seem to access the Comic Art site these days. Would you have any info on the fair and the events this year ? Best. Didier ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From favio31 at caramail.com Thu Mar 9 16:27:55 2000 From: favio31 at caramail.com (Thierry Fernand) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:27:55 GMT+1 Subject: Al Taliaferro material now available Message-ID: <952615588011915@caramail.com> Hi Folks, Thanks to M. Wundermild for the Giveaway Disney comics material he recently provided. I have been uploading a few original 1947 Donald Duck Sunday Pages by Al Taliaferro at the following site http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Cinema/9080/index.html as well as a little summary of Al's Disney comics work. I hope I'll be able to add more of these as soon as I have the time. Enjoy, Favio ______________________________________________________ Bo?te aux lettres - Caramail - http://www.caramail.com From dve at kabelfoon.nl Thu Mar 9 17:38:46 2000 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 17:38:46 +0100 Subject: Pigeons and weasels Message-ID: <20000309163123.906273AC0@maillist.kabelfoon.nl> VIDAR SVENDSEN, 8 MARCH 2000: > Do you remeber any stories where our friends use carrier pigeons? > I remember two: the one where Scrooge sends one million and gets > two million back, A Spicy Tale (US 39), Racing Pigeon "Rocketwing" > (WDC 139) and How green was my Lettuce (US 51). The first one is an Uncle Scrooge fourpager about Petruccio the pigeon (US 7). The last page of "Sherrif of Bullet Valley" (OS 199) shows a peace dove. "The Thrifty Spendthrift" (US 47) contains two turle doves. Does that count, too? KRITON KYRIMIS, 9 MARCH 2000: > [WDC 75] http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis/pics/goodjoe.jpg shows Southside > Good Joe, who one list member thought was a self-caricature of Barks. No, I didn't think it was a self-caricature. I only asked if it could be possible. > To my eyes, the type of long snout that Joe has suggests that he is > portrayed as a weasel (i.e., a not very honest person) and not as a > Barks caricature. A weasel? Even though I understand your suggestion, I still think he looks more like a dog-face. I'm curious what others think. Does someone know a story in which Carl Barks clearly used a weasel-face? This might be of help for comparison. However, a self-caricature doesn't nescessarily need to be honest. In "Sherrif of Bullett Valley", Carl Barks used a self-caricutare on a "wanted" sign. Of course, being on a "wanted" sign doesn't nescessarily mean that the portrayed person really *is* guilty, but it shows at least that being honest/dishonest doesn't draw a line in what can be a self-caricature or not. An advantage of a self-caricature is that one can make fun of him/herself in a way that other people wouldn't even dare to think about. Greetings, --- Daniel "Gee, kids! There's going to be a SPECIAL SHOW tonight!" "Anything GOOD, unca Donald?" From Marc at edeninc.com Thu Mar 9 17:23:50 2000 From: Marc at edeninc.com (Marc Chapman) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 08:23:50 -0800 Subject: Comics in Bags Message-ID: <11E0D583F3FCD211891C00500424C33054A6EB@galileo.edeninc.com> Don Rosa wrote: >>You do NOT (and I am eager to answer anytime anyone asks this question in order to dispel this silly myth), repeat, you do NOT need to, and in fact SHOULD not keep them in "comic bags" with or without "backing boards"<< Wow, I didn't know this. Many of my comics are still sitting in those plastic bags as they have been for the past 7-10 years. So this means the comics are going to yellow and get crispy anyway, bag or no, and I should take them out. I'll be sure to do that soon, thanks for the info! (back to lurking) Marc Chapman From fernandopventura at uol.com.br Thu Mar 9 18:48:39 2000 From: fernandopventura at uol.com.br (Fernando Ventura) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:48:39 -0300 Subject: Comics bags... Message-ID: <009e01bf89ef$b47c5760$72f2bfc8@fernando> Exactly, "Mylar"bags are made off what? I don't know iff Ican find it here in Brazil, but my impression is that this is the best way to conserve our comics whitout dismantle them. So, I agree with Don about keep the comics as it is made, but the vision off Jan Follak is right too. And the next generation?! What we can do about it? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20000309/b0f00ba7/attachment.html From acsive at mail.mira.dk Thu Mar 9 18:38:36 2000 From: acsive at mail.mira.dk (Anders Christian Sivebaek) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 18:38:36 +0100 Subject: Fernando, Barks, Sven-Oliver Message-ID: <200003100831.JAA13558@mail.mira.dk> Fernando Ventura Your question was not off-topic my friend. As a caring reader of Disney Comics you asked how to preserve them. Some nice people her answers. That's the way it should be. I may preserve my own comics wrong, having them on shelves. But I don't use bags, only for my oldest editions. Especially my almost mint comic from 1953. I don't care much for the one I have from 1951 and payed 35 $ for... It's a bad condition. But the yearbook of that year will be out soon and I'll be able to read a fair publication of the comic. barks-charicature: I agree with Kriton, Barks wouldn't depict himself as a dishonest weasel. Allthough he did depict himself once, and it says: wanted for being bad under the picture... Sven-Oliver Troschke I understand you poor situation. But hey, you do have a Barks Library, and the Rosa slbums you mentioned. And if I remember right you have 2 pages of articles in the DD Sonderheft (Extra magazine) every month. But maybe they aren't so good? I sugest that you contact the german club of Donaldists. They poublish 107 or 108 fanzines about Duckburg and the inhabitants. AC From H.W.Fluks at kpn.com Fri Mar 10 10:04:11 2000 From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com (Fluks, H.W.) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:04:11 +0100 Subject: Jippes news Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522A76E7A@l04.research.kpn.com> The recent issue of Dutch fanzine Stripschrift has an article about Daan Jippes (by former list member Pieter van Cleef). It says that Jippes is working on a comic version of "Lighthouse", based on a storyboard he did for the TV-series "Mouseworks". The comic adaptation is made for Egmont, since VNU (Holland) didn't think they could use it. Stripschrift is showing one sketched page. "Mouseworks" is said to be a TV-series of disasterous quality. I never heard of it before... (Jippes drew a caricature of himself, holding a toilet paper roll. He says: "there must be as much paper filled with my board-drawings as there is on this roll... -- and for the same purpose!") Apart from this, Jippes is said to have little time for Disney comics. And no financial necessity: he's working for the "Jan Kruis Studio" now - doing 1-page gags for the women's magazine Libelle. Let's hope Jippes will soon feel the need to draw Barks woodchucks scripts again... As always, the article ends with a reference to one of our indexes. In this case: http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/dcml/creators/daan-jippes.html --Harry. (More Jippes indexes on: http://mx1.xoom.com/bolderbast/xxindex.html) From donrosa at iglou.com Fri Mar 10 14:15:31 2000 From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:15:31 -0500 Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #108 - 8 msgs References: <200003101100.MAA04596@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <000f01bf8a92$c8283600$cbeeffcc@default> From: "Fernando Ventura" >>>>Exactly, "Mylar"bags are made of what? Mylar. Mylar bags are made of Mylar. It baffles science. Mylar is a brand name for a totally *inert* plastic, unlike other types, *particularly* the polyethylene types that all other "comic bags" are made of. As I said, that polyethylene plastic has chemicals in it that will damage the comics over the long run. You can easilly see this when you look at the "comic bags" you bought 10 years back which, at that time, were crystal clear, but are now foggy and yellowish (when you look at a stack of them). >>>I don't know if I can find it here in Brazil, You can get them mail order from America. But as I said, they are only needed if you handle the comics a lot. Otherwise, you have nothing to worry about ... except the Brazilian humidity. Do not, repeat, do NOT store your comics in the Amazonian rain forest. They will surely become damp and buggy and unpleasant. Well, I guess I need to be a shill and name at least one place where anyone can obtain Mylar (Mylite) comic bags... I get mine from Jeff Hinds -- his company doesn't seem to have a website, but you can send an inquiry to jhcomics at aol.com . From timoro at hotmail.com Fri Mar 10 16:06:05 2000 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 16:06:05 EET Subject: Saving comic books Message-ID: <20000310140605.1407.qmail@hotmail.com> Hi! There was an article by John Nichols about preserving comic books on Carl Barks Collector 40 (spring '89). If Nichols is a member of this list, maybe he could send it on here? Timo Ronkainen ................................. "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on cowslip - far from me!" timoro at hotmail.com http://members.xoom.com/timoro ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jorgenb at ifi.uio.no Fri Mar 10 18:21:45 2000 From: jorgenb at ifi.uio.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22J=F8rgen?= Andreas =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bangor=22?=) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:21:45 GMT Subject: Donald Duck & Co # 6 Message-ID: <200003101721.19784.isleiv@ifi.uio.no> Donald Duck & Co # 6 - 2000 Dutch front cover showing Gus Goose giving flowers and a box of chocolate to Daisy Duck. In typical Gus manner, all but one of the chocolats are eaten. Story number one is a Donald Duck story (D 99077, 12 pages), written by Lars Jensen and Chris Spencer, and drawn by Vicar. Donald is trying to become an inventor again, but isn't very successfull. But then suddenly (very suddenly, in fact) a new fuel seems promising. He doesn't get time for further research, though, since an angry Scrooge arrives with a job for him. Scrooge has made a deal with the counsil of Duckburg, to remove all the ice from the harbour - and Donald gets the job to implement it, with an old ice breaker called the "Silver Bell". The "Bell" is an old, wooden steam powered thing with a paddle wheel at the stern. In the preparations to get her into work, Donald more or less accidentally teases a man (looking like a close relative to neighboor Jones) to the extent that he comes on board and destroys the boiler. Now when the ship's engine is out of function, Donald puts an old outboard engine on the bow, and fills it with the super fuel he has invented. The ship then moves astern with the paddle wheel working like that thing on the front of a combine harvester. Very effective, but a little hard to steer. A ceremony where Scrooge is given a medal for his work for the city is soon destroyed. Then Donald throws over board the rest of the fuel, since it starts to act a little threateningly. It explodes, and a huge wave of water and ice is rolling in over Duckburg. Scrooge gets the bill for cleaning up the city, and Donald and the nephews go far away with "Silver Bell". The story is quite uninteresting, but some of the art is pretty good. Especially the picture where the wave is rolling in towards Duckburg. The ice breaker on the other hand, isn't credible at all. And how can a wooden boat be rusty? Story number two is a one page Scrooge story (D 98013), written by Per Hedman, and drawn by Alferez. Scrooge walks around in a supermarket, enjoying all the free demonstrations of food. Then he discovers that he owns the supermarket, and orders them all to be closed. Not so bad. Story number three is a Mickey Mouse story (D 99039, 10 pages), written by Stefan Petrucha, and drawn by Rodriques. Mickey is in an area with farms, all covered in snow, looking for pieces of a crashed comet. He has an accident with his snow scooter, and bangs his head in a tree. He finds a farm which is not covered with snow, and runs towards it to borrow a phone. Then he gets a surprise. The animals of the farm have gotten the ability to talk and think like humans from a strange stone (the comet) which landed there. The radiation from it also keeps the snow away. The animals show Mickey the farm, where the production has raised with 52 per cent since the animals took over (I wonder if that includes meat production). Mickey wants to report this to the rest of the world, but is prevented from it by the animals. They want it to be kept a secret. When they have produced enough food and other things they need, they will move north and build a farm of their own. If Mickey can prove that he's usefull, well... they don't really say what will happen to him if he's not. Anyway, he's given several tasks to show that he can work like an animal. Pulling wagons like a horse and laying eggs are not within the mouse's - sorry, human's abilities. And neither is getting rid of garbage like a pig (eating it). The animals conclude that he's not usable for anything, and since he tried to cheat when laying eggs, he's not trustworthy either. When Mickey tries to run away, he bangs his head in a way Donald would have found familiar. And when he wakes up, he's lying besides the tree where he had the accident with the scooter. The animals at the farm are walking around like normal animals, and Mickey believes he dreamt it all. When he's helped away by another snow scooter, the animals raise up, and put on their clothes again. I'm a bit ashamed that I've never read Animal Farm, although it has been on the list for years. Another story comes to mind, though, involving three small pigs ;-) Anyway, this is a very entertaining and very well drawn story. I liked the end, where we for one moment are made to believe that this was just another dream, and then are shown that it actually happened. Story number four is an old one-pager (KF 09-12-54). Story number five is a Big Bad Wolf story (D 98008, 2 pages), written by Peter Hardfeldt, and drawn by David. The wolfs have no money for food, and the big bad one refuses to work for Br'er Bear to earn some. Then the little nice one asks the bear to give them the wood he wants cut. After the wood is cut, the wolfs sell it to the bear for the same amount that he would have paid them to cut it in the first place. Everyone is happy. Not completely credible. It would have been better if the big bad one had been made to believe that he stole the wood, and then sold it back to the bear. Story number six is a Donald Duck story (D 98218, 6 pages), written by Gail Renard and Jack Sutter, and drawn by Manrique. Donald has become coach for a rugby (the brutal sport Americans call football) team, where his nephews are among the players. Donald is not a very good coach, and the team decide to fire him. Instead they hire another one, who's been an elite player. This new one completely takes over Donald's role, and becomes his nephews hero. Donald becomes very depressed, and the nephew's bad conscience is awakened. Soon after the new coach is scared away by a mouse - he's afraid of them - and Donald is put back in is old role (the mouse was put there by his nephews). Cute. Story number seven is another old one-pager (KF 1-24-54). These old one-pagers are a constant reminder that the art of making one-pagers must have been forgotten some time in the distant past. There is so much going on in the old ones, and they end with a gag which is actually funny. Story number eight is a Goofy story (D 98284, 3 pages), written by Stefan Petrucha, and drawn by David. Accidentally Goofy attracts the anger of an old witch, and she casts a spell on him. Everything he touches turn into chocolate (remember King Midas?). In the beginning this is very nice, and he eats a big part of his house, but when Pluto turns into chocolate, things are not so funny anymore. He convinces the witch to take back the spell, but is kicked away when he asks if she can make a touch of just one of his fingers turn things into ice cream. This is good. An entertaining story with several gags and a deeper meaning in only three pages. This is an art known by too few writers. And David's Goofy is good. This shows that he can do better than the simple art of the Br'er Rabbit stories. Story number nine is a Donald Duck one-pager (D 93023), without credits. The art is Branca-style, possibly Colomer (early style). Donald is at last finished with removing snow in front of his house. Then a snow plough comes in high speed on the street outside, throwing snow to both sides. Donald makes it slow down just before it fills his garden with snow. Then he bangs the door, and a lot of snow falls from the roof. I have a hunch that this could have been funny, but I'm not sure how. Maybe if one could remove a few of the other stories of the same kind. Story number ten is the IT-Duckburg story, with Huey Louie and Dewey as heroes (D 99103), no credits. The ducklings and three other friends, among them a small computer genius, are trying to make an artificial intelligence which can challenge the genius in chess. To achieve this they need a very powerfull CPU (central processing unit). Gyro's little helper tries to help them, but then the CPU is taken by a bird. Little helper tries to get it back, and ends up in the sewer. With help from a computer at the library, they find out where the sewer ends up, and rescue him. Immediately after, the helper rescues them all from being "eaten" by a dredger. The artificial intelligence comes up, but shows up not to be too bright. It can act as a translator between the humans and Gyro's little helper, though, and the latter shows up to be a good chess player. No more of this, please. I think I recognize elements from Duck Tales, Tales Spin and such series. Now, those series weren't too bad, but this is - at least if I'm to judge from the little I've seen so far. First of all, if this is to be remotely credible, the writer should know a little about computers, and not only the pseudo tech talk from sales brochures. Secondly, the art with pictures appearing just about anywhere, makes me tired only from finding out where the story continues. One thing I applaud, though, and that's the girl. A tough, young girl could be needed in the regular character gallery. The semi regular characters April, May and June, and Minnie's three (2+1) nieces could need a good replacement. BTW, the concept of intelligent computers is mostly a past chapter now, but I remember one story from the time when it was one of the big issues. The story was about a VAX 11/750 at Caltech (imagine a cube with sides 1.5 meters, and you roughly have the size of an 11/750). The computer was made sentient, and it was tought the phrase "I think, therefore I am." Now that was a mistake, because every time the computer crashed, it disappeared. As eleventh and last story is an old one-pager (KF 03-18-51). J?rgen From jgarvin at bendcable.com Fri Mar 10 19:21:28 2000 From: jgarvin at bendcable.com (john garvin) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:21:28 -0800 Subject: comic bags References: <200003101100.MAA04585@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <38C93D28.41141EFA@bendcable.com> I would not go rushing to pull all of your comics out of their bags just yet. I can't tell you how many comics I have lost over the years because of accidents that you can't forsee, mostly having to do with moisture. Bags protect comics from that most horrible of all calamities: getting wet. Ever see what happens to a stack of wet comics? It aint pretty. From troschke at statistik.uni-dortmund.de Fri Mar 10 19:29:48 2000 From: troschke at statistik.uni-dortmund.de (Sven-Oliver Troschke) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 19:29:48 +0100 Subject: Articles about comics in German Disney titles References: <200003101100.MAA04585@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <38C93F1C.DF4B7827@amadeus.statistik.uni-dortmund.de> Hi all, last time, I wrote to the list, I complained about the fact, that we do not have such nice 'scientific' articles in our German titles, like they have them in the Greek Komix, for example. To that Anders Christian Sivebaek wrote: > I understand you poor situation. > But hey, you do have a Barks Library, and the Rosa albums you > mentioned. > And if I remember right you have 2 pages of articles in the DD > Sonderheft (Extra magazine) every month. But maybe they aren't so good? Anders Christian's mail made me realize, that I simply was not aware of some places where such articles indeed are published. I cannot say anything about the articles in the Barks Library, since I already own the American edition and thus do not buy the German edition as well. I like the articles in the DD-Sonderheft, however, and only had forgotten them, because I am not a regular buyer of this series. Adding to Anders Christian's list I now remember that also in our 'Lustige Taschenbuecher' series there used to be some pages on the history of comics. But now they are gone, I think. Maybe not enough readers of this series were interested in such stuff. Does anybody have more information on that matter? Admittedly, the situation here in Germany is not as bad as I thought in the first place. I apologize for having described the situation too negatively, although there surely is some margin for improvements. > I suggest that you contact the german club of Donaldists. They published > 107 or 108 fanzines about Duckburg and the inhabitants. This is a good idea. I even had already thought about joining the Donaldists as well, but was a little reluctant up to now, because I always thought they are taking things too seriously. But at least I could try reading an issue or another of their fanzine. Maybe I even get hooked on. Are there many Donaldists on this list? No matter whether they are from Germany or from some other country. I believe there are Donaldists or similar groups in other countries than Germany as well, or am I wrong? Bye for today Sven From p.castagno at libero.it Fri Mar 10 22:36:36 2000 From: p.castagno at libero.it (Paolo Castagno) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:36:36 +0100 Subject: Norwegian comics Message-ID: <38C96AE4.26577CE2@libero.it> Hello, I'm back from Norway, a really great place to visit (also if because of working reasons... their working time are much shorter than our ones!). The reason I'm writing this message to the list is to describe the Disney comics I found there... so if you aren't interested... well... skip it! ;-) Donald Duck #8 prints D-coded stories, that aren't what I like best, but well, after all the last story "Det Gar Opp Og Ned Her I Verden" (a multi-part) seems to be interesting... if I get it right it is aboud Donald taking Scrooges place. But what surprised me was finding a special issue sold together with the issue: a special mini-issue reprinting Scarpa's "Il carnevale di Paperin-Paperone" (I AO55006-A). A nice way to introduce old stories to newer readers. Then issue #2-2000 of Fantonald, a complete reprint from Italian PKNA #36: the Norwegian reprint is better than the Italian one, since it doesn't have all that semi-demential stiff such as the readers mails, PK action hero cards, etc... Then in a comic book store "Spider man" (they have a very nice logo: Mickey dressed like Spiderman) I found a lot of used Disney comics, at cheap prices: 5 koronas, something like 1250 Italian lire or 60 cent if you prefer. I bought a couple of Barks reprint and some Scarpa stories: I'm very happy to have found Zio Paperone e l'amuleto di Amundsen (I TL 135-A), being Amundsen a sort of national hero in Norway. Then, beside Disney comics, I also found Tex Willer, the local edition of another Italian comic.... ah: I need another copy of Tex, so if anyone in Norway wants to exchange it with Italian Disney (or Tex...) comics, please contact me. Finally on my way back home I stopped to Amsterdam ariport, where I found two good Barks albums: DD als Geheim agent (W OS 308-02) and DD als Suiker Oom (W CP 2-01)... other two great issues! Well... that's all, since it would be off-topic to describe the wonderful girls that are in Oslo!!!! ;-) Thanks for your attention! - Paolo -- http://members.xoom.it/inducks mailto:p.castagno at libero.it From HJC.Kunne at net.HCC.nl Sat Mar 11 00:02:26 2000 From: HJC.Kunne at net.HCC.nl (Henri Kunne) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 00:02:26 +0100 Subject: Al Taliaferro material now available Message-ID: <000c01bf8ae5$12a1ca00$630a35d5@kunne> Thierry Fernand wrote: >I have been uploading a few original 1947 Donald Duck >Sunday Pages by Al Taliaferro at the following site >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Cinema/9080/index.html >as well as a little summary of Al's Disney comics work. >I hope I'll be able to add more of these as soon as I >have the time. >Enjoy, Favio I sure enjoy! Thank you profusely for this good work. A whole lot of almost forgotten stories and jokes. Never saw them before, in the Netherlands no comic editor ever seemed to bother. So I think I'm not the only one anxiously waiting for more Taliaferro years.... Warm greetings, Henri Kunne P.S.: Why that missing date? Unavailable, Taliaferro ill, or what? From fernandopventura at uol.com.br Sat Mar 11 01:22:05 2000 From: fernandopventura at uol.com.br (Fernando Ventura) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:22:05 -0300 Subject: Thanks again! Message-ID: <000701bf8aef$d89196a0$65a4d3c8@fernando> I like to thanks Anders Sivebaek and Don(again) about the most funny off-topic question that I ask into this list. In fact I didn't think anymore that this is off-topic, I'm thinking now in speak about it during the rest off my life and off yours, Ha, Ha, HAAAAA! (C'mon Fernando, it is so ridiculous...) Putting the stupid things out, I will try to find Mylar here in Brazil, because it is used to preserve photos too(sure, it is paper), so probably there are a place here, in S?o Paulo, where I can see it. In fact, I never think in guard my comics on the Amazon florest, because I never see the florest!I live, as I say, in S?o Paulo, so probably my bigger problem is not humidity, is pollution...But I love my city(there are many places to buy old comics). Thanks again, AGAIN Fernando! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20000311/98583471/attachment.html From p.castagno at libero.it Fri Mar 10 23:37:08 2000 From: p.castagno at libero.it (Paolo Castagno) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:37:08 +0100 Subject: How to conserve our comics?! References: <000101bf885a$67a405a0$7d81e6c8@fernando> Message-ID: <38C97914.4536ED3A@libero.it> Fernando Ventura wrote: > > I like to ask to all the members from the list how you conserve yours > comics? I have more or less 2000 Disney comics and i'm troubled about > conserve it. What you do? > > OOOps! It is a off-topic theme! I'm sorry... Well, as many other subscribers wrote, it isn't an off-topic! And it made me learn that plastic bags aren't that great solution to save my comics... but well, maybe they are better than nothing: I mainly want to preserve them from dust. Another storaging-related question comes to my mind: because of space troubles I put almost all my Topolino in horizontal piles, switching their back left and right every 10 issues, but I'm not sure it is a good solution: can anyone of you tell me if there are reasons to avoid this solution? - Paolo -- http://members.xoom.it/inducks mailto:p.castagno at libero.it From p.castagno at libero.it Fri Mar 10 23:32:41 2000 From: p.castagno at libero.it (Paolo Castagno) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:32:41 +0100 Subject: Al Taliaferro material now available References: <952615588011915@caramail.com> Message-ID: <38C97809.8CFDFEAF@libero.it> Thierry Fernand wrote: > I have been uploading a few original 1947 Donald Duck > Sunday Pages by Al Taliaferro at the > following site > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Cinema/9080/index.html Great site, thanks for the scans: one of them is now my desktop! - Paolo -- http://members.xoom.it/inducks mailto:p.castagno at libero.it From p.castagno at libero.it Fri Mar 10 23:40:57 2000 From: p.castagno at libero.it (Paolo Castagno) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:40:57 +0100 Subject: Expocartoon References: <20000309153059.52641.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <38C979F9.13E7FD98@libero.it> Didier Ghez wrote: > > Hi, > > I was just wondering who would attend this edition of Expocartoon and when. I'll surely be there on Thursday morning, trying to buy the stuff I still need, and then I'll return on Saturday. But, since I live near the exibition, I can come and go whenever I like, so if someone wants to arrange a meeting I'll be there... or better, I can try to arrange it. - Paolo -- http://members.xoom.it/inducks mailto:p.castagno at libero.it From bmartin at utmem.edu Sat Mar 11 19:45:15 2000 From: bmartin at utmem.edu (bmartin@utmem.edu) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 12:45:15 -0600 Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #109 - 11 msgs In-Reply-To: <200003111100.MAA15377@numerus.ling.uu.se> References: <200003111100.MAA15377@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: >Message: 1 >From: "Don Rosa" >To: >Subject: Re: DCML digest, Vol 1 #108 - 8 msgs >Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:15:31 -0500 >Organization: >charset="x-user-defined" > >From: "Fernando Ventura" >>>>>Exactly, "Mylar"bags are made of what? > >Mylar. Mylar bags are made of Mylar. It baffles science. >Mylar is a brand name for a totally *inert* plastic, unlike other types, >*particularly* the polyethylene types that all other "comic bags" are made >of. As I said, that polyethylene plastic has chemicals in it that will >damage the comics over the long run. You can easilly see this when you look >at the "comic bags" you bought 10 years back which, at that time, were >crystal clear, but are now foggy and yellowish (when you look at a stack of >them). Many folks I know still use plastic bags, but change them every 4-6 yrs. It becomes quite a job. B. Martin From Alexgoe at aol.com Sat Mar 11 21:50:56 2000 From: Alexgoe at aol.com (Alexgoe@aol.com) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 15:50:56 EST Subject: Articles about comics in German Disney titles Message-ID: <47.20a945a.25fc0bb0@aol.com> On the DCML Vol 1 # 109, 11.03.00 Sven-Oliver Troschke wrote: > Adding to Anders Christian's list I now remember that also in our 'Lustige > Taschenbuecher' series there used to be some pages on the history of comics. But > now they are gone, I think. Maybe not enough readers of this series were > interested in such stuff. Does anybody have more information on that matter? I guess in LTB 172 there's something about the history of the LTB, up to No. 245 there were some information about Mickey's birthday. And in No. 255 - 266 there were informations about "Donald Duck in Comic- strips" and "Donald Duck in Italy" - also with texts about Italian issues. I really enjoy reading such things, but I think that most (younger) readers just want to read comics, and not any informations for instance about other publications or so. I hope that there'll be again such information-texts.. Alex Goerig (http://members.aol.com/dagofan/index.htm) From gpantzer at ny.tds.net Sat Mar 11 22:44:07 2000 From: gpantzer at ny.tds.net (Gary Pantzer) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 16:44:07 -0500 Subject: Mylar bags Message-ID: <001201bf8ba2$fb87b140$b91b01cf@gpantzer> Anyone wanting information and pricing on Mylar storage bags may want to visit www.neponset.com/bcemylar although the shipping costs may be prohibitive for our friends outside the USA. I have purchased from this company before and they offer an excellent storage 'sleeve' and other items. Be warned that the current oil prices have affected their price. From favio31 at caramail.com Sun Mar 12 04:00:11 2000 From: favio31 at caramail.com (Thierry Fernand) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 04:00:11 GMT+1 Subject: Taliaferro strips Message-ID: <952830011023718@caramail.com> >>I have been uploading a few original 1947 Donald Duck >>Sunday Pages by Al Taliaferro at the following site >>http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Cinema/9080/index.html > So I think I'm not the only one anxiously waiting for > more Taliaferro years.... A few other examples of taliaferro's works may be uploaded, so please check the site from time to time! >P.S.: Why that missing date? Unavailable, Taliaferro ill, or what? That sunday page really was drawn by Taliaferro, and my guess is material damage only. There are some sunday pages that are seldom reprinted, by the way, eg Gladstone "forgot" several Silly Symphonies Donald pages in the "Donald Duck" comics. But in this case, I think that once again this was only a material problem. One that (apparently?) *is* a problem is the Donald daily strip of March 3 1938. I think that in the few recent reprints available, the text was changed. I have never seen the original strip myself, so I can only make guesses. Apparently Donald is throwing a stone (?) to a person who is not shown. I'm not sure if that person is supposed to be of African origin in the original strip. Maybe someone who has more information can enlighten us on this? Favio ******* Check Favio's Ultimate Taliaferro page at ******* http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Cinema/9080/ ______________________________________________________ Bo?te aux lettres - Caramail - http://www.caramail.com From kfitz at halcyon.com Sun Mar 12 06:19:55 2000 From: kfitz at halcyon.com (Kfitz) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 21:19:55 -0800 Subject: Re #105 Joakim, Animals References: <200003071548.QAA21501@mail.mira.dk> Message-ID: <000f01bf8be2$9aea9d80$03eb39cc@kfitz> >I'm glad to hear that your wife has that ability. This shows that some > whites/pinkare close to animals. My husband and I talked to all of our cats for their entire lives. We always talk to animals, they often make more sense than people. Too really talk with pets/animals you can talk just like you do to people, you just have to listen different. -Kathy From julietv at email.com Sun Mar 12 18:52:20 2000 From: julietv at email.com (Juliet Violette) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 12:52:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re #105 Joakim, Animals Message-ID: <379983496.952883540568.JavaMail.root@web12.mail.com> I always have talked to animals just like they're humans. I've even had young children ask me, "Do you really think he can understand you?" LOL, I guess I must sound pretty sincere. I'm also one of those people who will find a cricket in the bathtub, and get a glass and piece of paper and put it outside saying, "No, no - you're not welcome in the house, go outside." My 3 year old daughter is picking up on this and learning respect for life, hopefully. Juliet Violette Las Vegas, USA ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From sschridde at gmx.de Mon Mar 13 02:00:32 2000 From: sschridde at gmx.de (sschridde@gmx.de) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 02:00:32 +0100 Subject: storing comics In-Reply-To: <200003111100.MAA15377@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <20000313010132Z81969-78234+63@merganser.its.uu.se> Well, as to me, I store most of the comics vertically in cardboard- boxes. I didn't make up my mind whether bags are useful or not. But another thing concerning especially the German weekly (printed on comparably weak paper): The issues lean towards the unstapled edge, with the result that all issues form a bow or bracket-type something in the lower third of the issue. Any idea as to how cope with it? > Another storaging-related question comes to my mind: because of > space troubles I put almost all my Topolino in horizontal piles, > switching their back left and right every 10 issues, but I'm not > sure it is a good solution: can anyone of you tell me if there > are reasons to avoid this solution? > Soeren Soeren Schridde --- keine Regierung ist gewillt, ueber den Tellerrand hinauszublicken, weil der Teller allein ihren Machterhalt garantiert. Rudolf Augstein, 1998 --- Martinistr. 52, 49078 Osnabrueck, Germany, Earth eMail: sschridde at gmx.de (2nd: sschridde at t-online.de) Tel./Fax: Acc.Code+ (0)541/150764 at my parents': Luisenweg 33, 38302 Wolfenbuettel, Germany, Earth Tel.: Acc.Code+ (0)5331/978268 From rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com Mon Mar 13 02:10:13 2000 From: rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com (Rodney w bowcock jr.) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 20:10:13 -0500 Subject: A visit with Don Rosa Message-ID: <20000312.201216.-93511.3.rodney-selfhelpbikeco@juno.com> Earlier this afternoon I went to Don Rosa's lovely home in Louisville KY, and I wanted to let fellow members know what I saw. For starters I saw The 3 Cabelleros Ride Again story which should be done soon, and looks very good. I think it'll be great to see Donald actually interact with his friends instead of relatives. I also saw Don's studio and *lots* of Duck toys. It was great to get an idea of how the creative process for these great stories is done. I also saw the "comics vault" that is sometimes referred to on this list. Don owns by far the largest comic collection I've ever seen, with over 40,000 books. Needless to say you'll find any book that you've ever wanted here, plus many others that you probably forgot existed. Don asked me to write something telling you about this and I'm not sure if this is what he wanted or not. I hope it is. I also wanted to publicly thank him for being so hospitable with me. Also, while there I saw an issue of PICSOU with a large pull out poster of the Duck family tree. Don didn't have many copies of this (only one or two?) so I couldn't very well ask for one from him. Can any list member get a copy of this book with the poster for me? Of course I'd be willing to trade cash or comics for it. Thanks again for a great afternoon Don, Rodney Bowcock ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From H.W.Fluks at kpn.com Mon Mar 13 12:24:03 2000 From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com (Fluks, H.W.) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:24:03 +0100 Subject: Thierry: Taliaferro strips Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522A76E8A@l04.research.kpn.com> Thierry (Sunday, March 12, 2000 5:00 AM): > One that (apparently?) *is* a problem is the Donald daily > strip of March 3 1938. > I think that in the few recent reprints available, the text > was changed. I have never seen the original strip myself, > so I can only make guesses. > Apparently Donald is throwing a stone (?) to a person who > is not shown. I'm not sure if that person is supposed to be > of African origin in the original strip. Actually, this strip has been discussed here before, in 1994! (Is it *that* long ago? Gee...) I asked about the strip, describing the Dutch translation. This is what David Gerstein wrote: << Harry explained that "Donald is at a fair, where one can throw 3 balls for a dime to a clown ('hit the clown'). Donald throws a rock instead of a ball, and gets dozens of balls thrown at him. The clown is not shown in the panels; just Donald." OOOW! I know right off the bat what must be wrong with this one! You'd think it's the concept of throwing a rock at someone, but Disney did permit a strip (the first one in DD 281) where Donald threw objects at a guy down in a manhole, some of which clearly hit him in the head (although the impact wasn't shown). In the 1920s and 1930s, one of the most unfortunate things about American carnivals was that they would have a booth where a man in blackface stood with his head through a wall, the sign reading (PLEASE: DO NOT TAKE THIS PERSONALLY) "hit the nigger." Really. Racism was really this blatant! I wouldn't be surprised if in the original English, this was the text that was on the sign. This is probably why the strip was not allowed. (Could Gladstone retouch the sign? I'd guess Disney wouldn't allow it, as they didn't allow the letter from sister Della to be partly rewritten to make the 1st app of HDL permissable either.) This strip is most probably in WDC&S #2. [or #1 or #3.] >> This is what Don Rosa answered: << DAVID: I checked [WDC] #1, and there was the DD strip in question! You're pretty darn slick, you little rascal! You were RIGHT! Well, of course, no Disney comic strip even in 1939 or wotever would use the word "nigger"; [..] But you were close enough -- the sign on the circus sideshow booth said "AFRICAN DODGER - 3 balls, 5 cents" The meaning is clear, eh? They didn't mean a Boer. >> Your DCML archivist, 8-) --Harry. From donrosa at iglou.com Mon Mar 13 13:39:51 2000 From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 07:39:51 -0500 Subject: digest #111 References: <200003131100.MAA04572@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <003001bf8ce9$3bd756a0$1eefffcc@default> From: "Rodney w bowcock jr." >>>Don asked me to write something telling you about this and I'm not sure if this is what he wanted or not. Sure, that was fine... It's just that I frequently get requests to write about my studio or work habits or "vault"... but I don't ever see any time or place where such self-promotion would be appropriate. I don't have a web-site like many do since I don't have the need or time for it and it would only look bad to the few sour-minded people who don't realize that limitless self-promotion, even if it succeeded in selling an extra trillion copies of Rosa stories, does not do me an ounce of $ good in this system. I'd still like to do it just for the Duckfans who request it and even though there are numerous fan-sites, I still would not personally submit such a report to them as it's just not my nature (even though the shameless lil' egomaniac in my soul would love to see it!) Anyway, that's why I suggested to you that you mention a little of what you saw... but more significantly, when friend and ML member Francesco Stajano visited here last month, we set about with the specific purpose of preparing the material for a website-feature that would be a lengthier report of a visit here, including many photos. If Frank has as much free time to work on such stuff as I do, he might whip something up by the year 2009... but I hope he finds a break in his schedule eventually, and he'll put together a lil' photo-text essay and tell us where on the WWW to view it. From fms at uk.research.att.com Mon Mar 13 14:08:37 2000 From: fms at uk.research.att.com (Frank Stajano) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:08:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: digest #111 In-Reply-To: <003001bf8ce9$3bd756a0$1eefffcc@default> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, Don Rosa wrote: > but more significantly, when friend and ML member Francesco Stajano > visited here last month, we set about with the specific purpose of > preparing the material for a website-feature that would be a lengthier > report of a visit here, including many photos. If Frank has as much free > time to work on such stuff as I do, he might whip something up by the year > 2009... but I hope he finds a break in his schedule eventually, and he'll > put together a lil' photo-text essay and tell us where on the WWW to view > it. Don, this is the most apt description of the current state of affairs that anyone could come up with. I can't begin to say how bad I feel for having enjoyed the privilege of your company and hospitality (a second time, after my 1996 visit for the book) without yet having written so much as a line on all that you showed me. I do hope your 2009 prediction will eventually prove to be a slight exaggeration, but it sure feels ominously right from where I stand now... To all, an unworthy appetiser of what's to come: 1) Look forward to the Caballeros story, and in particular to a Donald-that-Don-doesn't-treat-like-a-worthless-idiot. But also to the introduction of a... hmmm... "sexy" might be too much... let's say "titillating" young lady! 2) Again on the Caballeros: a peculiar "musical" scene (you'll love this if you're familiar with the cartoons) and one of the greatest action panels you've seen. 3) Gyro (who's Gyro?) is too shy to be properly photographed, but I think we got in a shot or two all the same. 4) Don cooks a great steak! 5) Never compete against him on eBay for Disneyana -- or do so at your own risk! 6) Scoop! History! We've got a (new) photo of the man in his Captain Kentucky outfit! Wait 'til you see that... ;-) Frank (filologo disneyano) http://www.uk.research.att.com/~fms From homebrew at homebrew.win.net Mon Mar 13 16:20:09 2000 From: homebrew at homebrew.win.net (Dan Shane) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:20:09 -0500 Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #111 - 3 msgs References: <200003131100.MAA04564@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <000b01bf8cff$9f596bd0$54c20e0c@nant006> >>>>Subject: A visit with Don Rosa From: "Rodney w bowcock jr." Earlier this afternoon I went to Don Rosa's lovely home in Louisville KY, and I wanted to let fellow members know what I saw. ======================================== Because I can pay a visit to Don whenever I like, I sometimes forget how special entering his inner sanctum really is (especially since my study and entertainment area is growing to look more like his every day -- though on a MUCH smaller scale). Getting an advance look at his stories in progress is a real treat, and for now the only way we Americans can ever hope to see the tales in a language we understand. I've never known Don to close his doors to anyone, and I know you ahd a nice time, Rodney. Give a little warning next time you come down, and we'll try to get together. We have more in common than just Ducks, as I'm sure Don has told you. Dan Shane (homebrew at homebrew.win.net) From bror.hellman at partena.se Tue Mar 14 09:01:41 2000 From: bror.hellman at partena.se (bror.hellman@partena.se) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:01:41 +0100 Subject: Daily Mickey Mouse Comic Strip Message-ID: <3607C6F4DA17D21191FE000000005E8701F3303A@mvkexc01> Somebody here wanted to know if you could get ahold of new Mickey Mouse comic strips. Well, Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck dailies are propably still distributed by King Features, but I couldn't find any strips on-line. Are these strips still in production? Well, Mercury Center runs about a houndred different comic strips on their site, among them is - Mickey Mouse! http://cgi.mercurycenter.com/comics/ Well, there you go... If anyone know of anywhere else where Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, or some other Disney daily are published on-line (any language at all) I would be glad if you could share that information with us on this list.. Steamboat Willie From DGE at ECN.egmont.com Tue Mar 14 09:34:10 2000 From: DGE at ECN.egmont.com (Gerstein, David DK - ECN) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:34:10 +0100 Subject: Taliaferro strips Message-ID: <716EC96EB1D2D011BE3200805FC1974381D87A@CPHEGTD1-XCH02> Hey Thierry, >There are some sunday pages that are seldom reprinted, by >the way, eg Gladstone "forgot" several Silly Symphonies >Donald pages in the "Donald Duck" comics. But in this case, >I think that once again this was only a material problem. Sometimes, sometimes not. Gladstone couldn't get ZS 37/06/13, 37/07/18, or 37/08/08 because Disney in Burbank no longer has the materials, as you guessed. On the other hand, Disney did have the proofs to ZS 37/07/04, but they wouldn't allow it to be reprinted (making fun of the blind). >One that (apparently?) *is* a problem is the Donald daily >strip of March 3 1938. >I think that in the few recent reprints available, the text >was changed. I have never seen the original strip myself, >so I can only make guesses. >Apparently Donald is throwing a stone (?) to a person who >is not shown. I'm not sure if that person is supposed to be >of African origin in the original strip. Correct. The original sign says "African Dodger." But the guy isn't shown, so why can't the sign just be changed? Because in the USA, Disney thought the strip itself would encourage kids to throw rocks at people. They objected to the gag as well as the text on the sign. However, you can still see the strip's image of Donald pitching an object (which is changed to a baseball) - Gladstone uses it many times as the logo for their daily strip reprints in various 1994 issues of DONALD DUCK. David Gerstein From falkenberg at enercon.de Tue Mar 14 11:43:36 2000 From: falkenberg at enercon.de (Falkenberg) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:43:36 +0100 Subject: comic bags Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000314114336.007a73f0@mail.enercon.de> Hi folks, I save my comics in "comic bags" because of protection against pollution, dust ,wetness and damage by handling. But I know this not a protection against acid. All comic issue are made of paper with acid, so in my opinion (with or without a comic bag) there is no protection against the destroying by acid in a long run. But I have not seen a damage(through the acid from the bags )at my comics in a long run by using comic bags. If anyone has other knowledge please let me know. with greetings Helmut member of D.O.N.A.L.D. From julietv at email.com Tue Mar 14 20:21:44 2000 From: julietv at email.com (Juliet Violette) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:21:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #111 - 3 msgs Message-ID: <383292178.953061704283.JavaMail.root@web06.pub01> Wow! A visit to Don Rosa's house! That's awesome, thanks for sharing! This is an open invite to Don Rosa or any Scrooge fans in Norway (Onkel Skrue?) that come to Las Vegas to stay with me. However, I have a one bedroom and live in the getto where there is gunfire and such, so you'd probably want to bring a weapon (at least pepper spray or a stun gun...) But I'd give up my bed and I could sleep on my couch. In the event you do hear gunfire, the safest place to hide is the bathtub. Ha ha. :) Should be getting a better apartment soon... Juliet Las Vegas ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From j.heino at pp2.inet.fi Wed Mar 15 00:17:21 2000 From: j.heino at pp2.inet.fi (Janne Heino) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 01:17:21 +0200 Subject: Georgios ?? References: <200003141100.MAA24679@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <005501bf8e0b$74355560$1002a5c3@default> I'm sorry that I use this mailing list for my personal purposes .... Does anybody know that has Georgios gone to a vacation or something 'cause I can't "reach" him... If you read this Georgios, mail me at j.heino at pp2.inet.fi Janne Heino j.heino at pp2.inet.fi From cien2 at cbn.net.id Wed Mar 15 14:15:47 2000 From: cien2 at cbn.net.id (Arie Fachrisal) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:15:47 +0700 Subject: Daisy duck diaries??? Message-ID: <00c901bf8e81$212288e0$d7189eca@kulim> Hi, Just curious about who write the DD diaries stories. i only know one name, Bob Gregory (thanks to Rob). And i need to know maybe any other writers exist. i can check at the DCML database IF i had the story codes in which i unfortunately don't have. So maybe someone can help me? Thanks in advance, Arie Fachrisal From acsive at mail.mira.dk Wed Mar 15 17:37:40 2000 From: acsive at mail.mira.dk (Anders Christian Sivebaek) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:37:40 +0100 Subject: subscribing Message-ID: <200003151633.RAA65934@mail.mira.dk> Hi listeners Subscribing to danish duck comics is a fun subject. It's been possible for many years to get the weekly delivered by the mailman to your door. There was even an ad where you saw Donald himself delivering it. I don't know for precisely how many years, maybe someone here can enlighten me? Before subscribing was invented with the weekly I know that all bookstores would offer to put aside the weekly untill you fetched it. Our local one still does that. And you will have to have that done still today with the Pocketbooks and the extra, cause you cannot subscribe to them. That's too bad, and strange, as it's been possible in Germany and France for as long as my issues go back (1992... ahem) I've been subscribing to the weekly since 1993 and I got a gift for becoming that. An album and a collecting map. (Which destroys the weeklies a bit, so I don't use that for them anymore...). I think i started to subscribe because I wanted to make sure that I got every issue - Don's Lo$ was being published at that time. Subscribing to the books the danes publish is a money saver. The rumour has it that the goldbook with Barks-stories is available in two versions. A subscribers-edition with a year on the spine and a sold-in-stores-edition with the issues number on the spine. The Goldbook costs 225 kroner now, but someone in Copenhagen told me in november that the subscribers edition was 25 or 50 kroner cheaper. I never found out though, we only made it to visit our friend David (S?ren, Ole and I), the Publisher was closed when we got to think of going downstairs... The yearbook is a case too. I started subscribing right from the beginning, before many others I think, because I wrote that article for the 50-year jubilee in march, but the first book was delayed, and reached the stores before the subscribers (the yearbook.club), because they were surpirsed by the great wanting of the subscribers edition. It's 50 kroner cheaper and has a special cover only for members to see (so nyah!). The book send out in september was out two weeks before it hit the stores. But... Now were in the middle of march and I haven't got my issue yet (It contains reprints of 1951), but it hasn't been seen in stores either, has it? Yesterday I saw a consumer's TV programe where they talked about coupon-offers, and there's been one for this book where you got both for 450 kroner or so (that's saving 150 kroner from the store-price!!). the first 200 senders would get a DD-watch. This consumer's prgrame didn't seem to see that note about 200 first persons... They claimed that you could get the watch totally for free withourt having to buy what they called crap... (1949 and 1950 wasn't crap-years... they contained Barks-10-pagers almost every month!!). For once I'm on the publishers side. They have the right to say no to people who will try to get that watch for free. Lately It became possible to subscribe to the danish Paperinik-comic. The price for non-subscribers now how to pay 5 kroner more than before, and subscribers don't. That's the only thing we subscribers get. In october last year a new magazine with Disney's Princesses came out, and already now it's possible to subscribe, and there's some saving of money there too. A. C. Sivebaek acsive at mail.mira.dk From p.castagno at libero.it Wed Mar 15 17:39:11 2000 From: p.castagno at libero.it (Paolo Castagno) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:39:11 +0100 Subject: Daisy duck diaries??? Message-ID: Hello, Arie wrote: > Just curious about who write the DD diaries stories. In the current version of Inducks, I found more than 70 stories included in the serial "Daisy's Diary", and their writers are (mainly): Carlo Chendi (24 stories), Bruno Concina (12 stories), Staff di IF (10), Carlo Panaro (10), Nino Russo (8) and Fabio Michelini (4) If you want to know who the artist aree, instaed, the Inducks reports Staff di If being the first one (it is a studio, not a real person, btw), then Luciano Bottaro (10), Luciano Gatto (6), Giulio Chierchini, Stefano Intini, Guido Scala and others with 3 stories and also Scarpa with 2 stories... but it seems strange to me: there are surely many other stories, I found just the Italian ones... maybe something is wrong with my Inducks files? Or maybe the serial has other names than "Daisy's Diary"? Harry? - Paolo -- http://members.xoom.it/inducks From willot.francois at ec-lille.fr Wed Mar 15 19:03:05 2000 From: willot.francois at ec-lille.fr (Francois Willot) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:03:05 +0000 Subject: Daisy duck diaries??? References: Message-ID: <38CFD059.BD2FA70C@ec-lille.fr> > but it seems strange to me: there are surely many > other stories, I found just the Italian ones... maybe something > is wrong with my Inducks files? Or maybe the serial has other > names than "Daisy's Diary"? You'll find all other (including Western) Daisy Duck's Diary" looking for "DAD" in the hero field. The only listed American writer is Bob Gregory. here are the story codes: | BGy | W OS 1055-02 | | BGy | W OS 1247-02 | | BGy | W OS 1247-03 | | BGy | W OS 1247-04 | | BGy | W OS 1247-05 | | BGy | W OS 1247-06 | Francois From fms at uk.research.att.com Wed Mar 15 18:16:08 2000 From: fms at uk.research.att.com (Frank Stajano) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:16:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Daisy duck diaries??? In-Reply-To: <38CFD059.BD2FA70C@ec-lille.fr> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, Francois Willot wrote: > You'll find all other (including Western) Daisy Duck's Diary" looking > for "DAD" in the hero field. The only listed American writer is Bob > Gregory. here are the story codes: ??? As everyone knows, there were a number of Daisy Duck Diary stories written and drawn by Barks, so where have they gone? Frank (filologo disneyano) http://www.uk.research.att.com/~fms From H.W.Fluks at kpn.com Wed Mar 15 18:22:05 2000 From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com (Fluks, H.W.) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:22:05 +0100 Subject: Daisy duck diaries??? Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522A76E9E@l04.research.kpn.com> > From: Frank Stajano [mailto:fms at uk.research.att.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 6:16 PM > As everyone knows, there were a number of Daisy Duck Diary > stories written > and drawn by Barks, so where have they gone? They were drawn, but not written by Barks. As everyone knows! 8-) --Harry. From fms at uk.research.att.com Wed Mar 15 18:29:54 2000 From: fms at uk.research.att.com (Frank Stajano) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:29:54 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Daisy duck diaries??? In-Reply-To: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522A76E9E@l04.research.kpn.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, Fluks, H.W. wrote: > They were drawn, but not written by Barks. As everyone knows! 8-) Oops! Really? I never realised that before! Hmmm... Frank (filologo disneyano) http://www.uk.research.att.com/~fms From H.W.Fluks at kpn.com Wed Mar 15 18:28:58 2000 From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com (Fluks, H.W.) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:28:58 +0100 Subject: Daisy duck diaries??? Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522A76EA0@l04.research.kpn.com> > From: Paolo Castagno [mailto:p.castagno at libero.it] > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 5:39 PM > In the current version of Inducks, I found more than 70 > stories [...] I found just the Italian ones... maybe > something is wrong > with my Inducks files? Or maybe the serial has other names > than "Daisy's Diary"? As Fran?ois wrote, we currently list stories in 2 ways in Inducks. But that's one of the things we are working on. I'm not sure if Arie actually meant *all* Diary stories, or just the ones that Barks drew. There are a *lot* of Diary stories that were not marked as such, because they are sometimes presented as a "Daisy" story, and sometimes as "Daisy's Diary". For instance Dutch and Danish ones. Anyway, again as Fran?ois wrote, for the USA Diary stories most writers are unknown to us. --Harry. From frspreaf at tin.it Wed Mar 15 21:09:49 2000 From: frspreaf at tin.it (Francesco Spreafico) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:09:49 +0100 Subject: How to pronounce Taliaferro? Message-ID: <002601bf8eba$85b8b840$3150d8d4@darthmaul> Hello! I've alwayd pronounced Taliaferro, as if it were an Italian name (and maybe actually is), that is "Talley-ah-Pheroh".. but I just found something different in a book (that has nothing to do with "our" Taliaferro) I'm reading and now I wonder... I'll quote a couple of paragraphs (please anybody, don't take offence for some.. cliches, I'm just quoting :) [talking about a guy name Tolliver...] 'Hey! It says here: "See also Taliaferro."' 'That's the original spelling, but it's pronounced "Tolliver" just the same' 'Are you sure?' 'Quite sure. At least south of the Mason and Dixon Line back dirtside [FS: they're in space]. Spelling it "Tolliver" suggets poh white trash who can't spell. Spelling it the long way and then sounding all the letters sounds like a Johnny-come-lately damyankee whose former name might have been "Lipschitz" or such. The authentic plantation-owning, nigger-whipping, wench-humping aristocrat spelled it the long way and pronounced it the short way' [from "The Cat Who Walks Through Walls", Robert Anson Heinlein, 1985] So.. is all this right? And does anybody know how he pronounced his name? Sprea From timoro at hotmail.com Thu Mar 16 11:17:45 2000 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:17:45 EET Subject: No more Mickey ? Message-ID: <20000316091745.47606.qmail@hotmail.com> Hi! Looks like thereŽs no Mickey Mouse strip anymore in Mercury Comics -section. Now we donŽt have any place to read it? Timo Ronkainen ................................. "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on cowslip - far from me!" timoro at hotmail.com http://members.xoom.com/timoro ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From DGE at ECN.egmont.com Thu Mar 16 14:08:44 2000 From: DGE at ECN.egmont.com (Gerstein, David DK - ECN) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 14:08:44 +0100 Subject: How to pronounce Taliaferro? Message-ID: <716EC96EB1D2D011BE3200805FC1974381D885@CPHEGTD1-XCH02> Hey! >[talking about a guy name Tolliver...] >'Hey! It says here: "See also Taliaferro."' >'That's the original spelling, but it's pronounced "Tolliver" just the same' >'Are you sure?' >'Quite sure. At least south of the Mason and Dixon Line back dirtside [FS: >they're in space]. Spelling it "Tolliver" suggets poh white trash who can't >spell. Hmm... Al Taliaferro is said to have based Bolivar on his own dog. Was his own dog also *named* Bolivar? If so, this would make the pronounciation of the dog's full name into something like "Bolivar Tolliver" - which sounds too good to miss. So maybe the name I've pronounced "Tally-a-ferro" for all these years *should* really be "Tolliver". BUT I'm not making any promises, because Donald's dog Bolivar isn't exactly Taliaferro's own invention from the start. He really first appeared in two 1936 film cartoons, ALPINE CLIMBERS and MORE KITTENS. And in the second of those films, his name was given in the publicity material as... ...Toliver. Spelled just like that. Maybe names like Bolivar, Tolliver, Toliver, etc. were once somehow the standard thing to call a St. Bernard dog - like bulldogs are Butch and Spike, cows are Bossy, and parrots are Poll or Polly... What this has to do with Al Taliaferro I don't know. :-P David Gerstein From cien2 at cbn.net.id Thu Mar 16 14:51:44 2000 From: cien2 at cbn.net.id (Arie Fachrisal) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:51:44 +0700 Subject: Daisy Diaries References: <200003161100.MAA04385@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <001b01bf8f4e$c516f3a0$961c9eca@kulim> Paolo > I'm not sure if Arie actually meant *all* Diary stories, or just the ones > that Barks drew. There are a *lot* of Diary stories that were not marked as > such, because they are sometimes presented as a "Daisy" story, and sometimes > as "Daisy's Diary". For instance Dutch and Danish ones. i meant the ones Barks drew. i guess the sole writer is Bob and the Italian ones' were drawn by other artists??? Thanks for everybody's quick response Arie Fachrisal:-) From Gravesj at highland.net Thu Mar 16 18:57:48 2000 From: Gravesj at highland.net (James L Graves) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:57:48 -0800 Subject: comics Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000316095748.007946c0@mail.highland.net> I work for a small newspaper for my county, we print once a week. I would like permission to copy comics, and print in the paper each week. I work part time at home. Our email at work is: Mountainw at highland.net Thanks Ann From lassif at ifrance.com Thu Mar 16 19:22:10 2000 From: lassif at ifrance.com (lascif) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:22:10 +0100 Subject: Picsou Magazine 338, Marco References: <200003151100.MAA08273@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <000201bf8f81$e51d0260$3c21e4d5@lascif> Finally, since the #337, Picsou Mag staff have decided to continue to print the C.Barks' one page stories series and some stories rarely printed (in France). So, since two issues i feel fine with PM :-) Here's a short description of the last Picsou Magazine : -Don Rosa pin-up #23 "only a poor old man" -Uncle Scrooge #1 cover repro (not a facsimile) -W OS 386-02 C.Barks' "Only a poor old man" -W WDC 224-01 C.Barks' "The Beachcombers' Picnic" * -W US 23-05 C.Barks' "The Fabulous Tycoon" * -W US 24-04 C.Barks' "The Magic Ink" * -W US 26-04 C.Barks' "Return To Pizen Bluff" * -W WDC 243-01 C.Barks' "Turkey Trouble" * -W WDC 251-01 C.Barks' "Duck Luck" * Four C.Barks' one page stories Six Taliaferro's 1939 daily strips. And at last... A big poster (75x55cm) with Don Rosa's Duck Family tree on one side and 16 Don Rosa's pin-up on the other side. Clearly, a luxurious issue of PM. -------- March is not sparing of good surprises. I've had the pleasure to read a veeeeery goooood story of MM in Mickey Parade, I TL 2283 "L'ombre du dragon" which is drawn by Paolo Mottura and scripted by Tito Faraci. The art is very inventive and the story is a bit different because Pete is friend with Mickey and they join together to fight against a tyrant. A last thing - the action is happening in medieval Japan. -------- MARCO : Isn't it the same story you were talking about in January ? oliv ______________________________________________________________________________ Si votre email etait sur iFrance vous pourriez ecouter ce message au tel ! http://www.ifrance.com : ne laissez plus vos emails loin de vous ... gratuit sur iFrance : emails (20 MO, POP, FAX), Agenda, Site perso From j.heino at pp2.inet.fi Thu Mar 16 23:59:32 2000 From: j.heino at pp2.inet.fi (Janne Heino) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:59:32 +0200 Subject: Rosa books in Finland. References: <200003161100.MAA04364@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <008901bf8f9b$4b856740$0503a5c3@default> After Rosa visited Finland promoting his Kalevala book, his comic books prices have raised like a rocket!! e.g. The Lo$ book costs about 160 mk ( about 32 dollars) The Kalevala book costs 160mk - 220mk (about 32 - 40 dollars) Kadonneen Kirjaston Vartijat book before Rosa's visit - > 130 mk - 150 mk (about 25 - 30 $) Kadonneen Kirjaston Vartijat book a week after Rosa's visit - > 280 mk (about 47 $) Kadonneen Kirjaston Vartijat book NOW - > 400 mk (about 65 $) I got these prices from the biggest and best second hand shop of Tampere. So you could say that Rosa's visit made the Kadonneen book's price go sky-high... But if I must say I think 400mk is too much for the book... They defended them self that the book is impossible to find anywhere these days... But if they can sell it for 65 bucks that just shows how right they are and i will raise my hat for them. Rosa is hot in Finlad ... believe me or not. Janne Heino j.heino at pp2.inet.fi From marcobar at ds.unifi.it Fri Mar 17 12:16:57 2000 From: marcobar at ds.unifi.it (Marco Barlotti) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 12:16:57 +0100 Subject: The dragon's shadow In-Reply-To: <200003171100.MAA24826@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000317121657.00854830@ds.unifi.it> At 19:22:10 16/03/00 +0100, oliv wrote: > >I've had the pleasure to read a veeeeery >goooood story of MM in Mickey Parade, > >I TL 2283 "L'ombre du dragon" >which is drawn by Paolo Mottura and >scripted by Tito Faraci. > >[...] >-------- >MARCO : >Isn't it the same story you were talking about in January ? > No, I was talking about a story written by the same Tito Faraci and drawn by Silvia Ziche (better than Mottura IMHO). However, almost EVERY story written by Tito Faraci is bound to be good. Look for his name, it's worth reading his stories! In the latest "Topolino" (OK OK I should give the issue number but I'm quoting without having the comic in front of me!!!) there is a (good) story by Tito where Donald finds a treasure map and hires $crooge for 30 c. an hour to accompany him in the treasure hunt! (Thus the usual Barks-Rosa situation is reversed!) Marco From halvor.sandven at dnb.no Fri Mar 17 12:21:24 2000 From: halvor.sandven at dnb.no (Sandven, Halvor) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 12:21:24 +0100 Subject: The Ducks are taking over Message-ID: <20000317112431Z14397-35930+3@merganser.its.uu.se> Hello! I've had some fun using the danish indexes in INDUCKS to see how many pages of Donald, Mickey, the wolves and so on were published each year of the danish weekly, and the percentages of the total number of pages for each year. To do this I have split the different heroes of the stories in 13 different categories, Donald and friends, Mickey and friends, the wolves, the B-boys, brer Rabbit and friends, Chip & Dale, Grandma Duck, Gyro, Little Hiawatha, Scamp, and the rest. Of course this may not be 100% correct, because for instance Gyro may appear in an Donald-story, but still, the results may tell us something. The results show that for many years the ducks had about 40-50% of the total number of pages. The year 1962 had only 36%. From 1985 the percentage has increased and the highest percentage was 1999 with 70,6%. Mickey and friends were not so much used the earliest years. In 1952 only 9% were dedicated to him. He rapidly became more popular, with the top in 1983 with 38,2%. After that it has been downhill, and in 1999 it was only 21,2%. The first years the wolves were second-most used with about 25%. In the early and mid 60ies these stories bacame more seldom, but in the 70ies they were more used again with up to 10%. Now they are not much seen, with only 1,3%. Some other interesting facts: In the late 80ies the Beagle-Boys were third-most used with nearly 10% in 1986. Brer Rabbit are now nearly never seen with only 0,1% in 1999. Chip&Dale were most popular in the late 50ies and early 60ies with 8,7% in 1961. In 1999 there were none stories published. In 1951 and 1952 Grandma Duck were third-most used with nearly 20% in 1952. In 1999 it was only 1,1% Gyro were most popular in the early and mid 60ies with top in 1966 with 9,4%. Little Hiawatha were most popular in 1953 to 1955 with about 8% these years. In 1999 it was 0,2%. Scamp had his top in 1961 with nearly 9%. This put him on 3rd posistion this year. Now he's nearly never seen. Moby Duck had 4,2% in 1969. In the last 20 years he's very little used. Other stories were most common in the 50ies and early 90ies. They include Bongo, Pinocchio, Snow White and 7 dwarfs, Basil, Aristocats, Dumbo and some other. If anyone wants more details regarding this subject, please contact me. I can also find such results for other coutries that are reasonably updated in INDUCKS. ---Halvor * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email with attachments is solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. Please also be aware that DnB cannot accept any payment orders or other legally binding correspondence with customers as a part of an email. This email message has been virus checked by the virus programs used in the DnB Group. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From p.castagno at libero.it Sat Mar 18 14:54:58 2000 From: p.castagno at libero.it (Paolo Castagno) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 14:54:58 +0100 Subject: Picsou Magazine 338 References: <200003151100.MAA08273@numerus.ling.uu.se> <000201bf8f81$e51d0260$3c21e4d5@lascif> Message-ID: <38D38AB2.52209567@libero.it> Hello, lascif wrote: > Clearly, a luxurious issue of PM. Clearly I'd love to put my hands on such an issue, anyone on the list who wants to exchange PM337 with some Italian stuff (or with money)? Zio Paperone #126 just hit the stands... (hint, hint...) - Paolo -- http://members.xoom.it/inducks mailto:p.castagno at libero.it From jvainio at levi.urova.fi Sat Mar 18 19:17:29 2000 From: jvainio at levi.urova.fi (Vainio Jyrki) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 20:17:29 +0200 (WET) Subject: Rosa book prices in Finland In-Reply-To: <200003171100.MAA24841@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: > I got these prices from the biggest and best second hand shop of Tampere. Ah! I think I know the place. And for my part I wouldn't take their prices as the average guideline. Having toured their stands at various book fairs I've been just AMAZED by the prices they put on some of the stuff. True, they have lots of hard-to-find items but generally at 2-3 times the price I would expect to pay for them. I guess some buyers are willing to pay even this much extra for the easy availability of out-of-print books. I saw one guy cough up the requested 300 FIM ($ 50) for an OP Corto Maltese book without blinking an eye. I on the other hand blinked quite a lot. With patience you probably would be able to find even that book at some second-hand bookshop for a fraction of that sum. I know I did. And as for the "Kadonneen kirjaston vartijat" book, there are still plenty of NEW copies around for the original price if you bother to look a bit further that the big cities in the south. For example, in Rovaniemi where I currently live (at the Arctic Circle) the book is easily available. ---Jyrki Vainio, (Northern) Finland From Alexgoe at aol.com Sun Mar 19 10:21:51 2000 From: Alexgoe at aol.com (Alexgoe@aol.com) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 04:21:51 EST Subject: The Ducks are taking over Message-ID: <12.2697d47.2605f62f@aol.com> Hi! First thanks to Halvor for your interesting facts. I compared them with some German "Donald Duck" issues (published 1974-1998). In the 70ies and 80ies there were lots of stories of the Beagle Boys, Chip'n Dale and the wolves. In the 90ies there weren't much of these figures (if not to say nearly none...) SoI can confirm your statistics for this issue.... > The results show that for many years the ducks had about 40-50% of the total > number of pages. The year 1962 had only 36%. From 1985 the percentage has > increased and the highest percentage was 1999 with 70,6%. > Mickey and friends were not so much used the earliest years. In 1952 only 9% > were dedicated to him. He rapidly became more popular, with the top in 1983 > with 38,2%. After that it has been downhill, and in 1999 it was only 21,2%. While reading some new "Lustige Taschenbuecher" I noticed that there's only one story of Mickey published per isssue. Normally there are 7 to 8 stories a issue. In our two Y2K-jubilee issues (includes 13 stories) there were also only one Mickey-story per issue, all other are about the Ducks. So I must increase your statistic... at least for the LTB... Maybe Mickey isn't so requested any more like he was years ago. So I'd like to ask other members of the mailing list if this is in other countries so, too. Does anybody know something about this? > If anyone wants more details regarding this subject, please contact me. I > can also find such results for other coutries that are reasonably updated in > INDUCKS. Maybe you could do this with the German weekly, the Micky Maus Magazin ? I'd be interested in these results because I don't have old issues of the mag... Greetings, Alex Goerig From cien2 at cbn.net.id Sun Mar 19 16:20:37 2000 From: cien2 at cbn.net.id (Arie Fachrisal) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 22:20:37 +0700 Subject: Ducks, mice, and me....??? References: <200003191418.PAA10273@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <005701bf91b6$d2ca1e40$db189eca@kulim> Hi all, Just watched Stuart Little last week. i wander maybe this is a perfect example of how can the ducks fit in our real world?..................hmmm.......................maybe not. Cause i don't get the idea of this Stuart condition in the movie. Is he the equal of the kid or equal to mere mice? Which leads me to another mind-boggling question which maybe any donaldist can answer. What is the relation between Mickey and Jaq&Gus? Cousins? Long cousins? Very long relatives? Very-very long relatives? Very-very-very long ones? Or not at all? Cause Mickey sees a cat as a pet while Jaq&Gus sees a cat as a predator. The point is if Jaq&Gus and Mickey are equal, then Jaq & Gus must have been two liliputian versions of MM or maybe they were born in ten-twins resulting small body?;-) :-) Arie Fachrisal From xephyr at jps.net Sun Mar 19 08:24:09 2000 From: xephyr at jps.net (Rich) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 07:24:09 +0000 Subject: WonderCon 2000 & Don Rosa? References: <200003191416.PAA10241@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <38D4809A.4E5CF3EE@jps.net> Anyone going? Don, or someone who knows, will you be there all three days or only specific hours on a given day? The fliers I have only provide the NAMES of attending creators, but doesn't give their appearance schedules. Could you please tell us when you will be there so we can have a chance to meet you? I can only attend ONE day for just a few hours at best, so I'd like to choose the best time to be there (preferrably when you are and other Disney comics fans might be as well). Thanks Rich From cien2 at cbn.net.id Sun Mar 19 16:32:23 2000 From: cien2 at cbn.net.id (Arie Fachrisal) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 22:32:23 +0700 Subject: Abi_duck References: <200003191418.PAA10273@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <006c01bf91b8$5c01e020$db189eca@kulim> Hi all, just made abi_duck page(http://www.geocities.com/abi_duck/) 4 months ago. it is still under construction but maybe anyone would like to stop by and critize and comments a bit to cien2 at cbn.net.id ??? It is very primitive at this moment, many mistakes are shown, unmatching colors, bad looking fonts and comments on the artists which were made by my friend who doesn't know about the artists at all. we built this page at my friend's house so i until now can't fix it. i gotta wait till i can get the raw files from my friend then can i do some major repairs. Until then, there's a little scanned stories. Hope you all like em though i think i scanned stories that everybody has seen or own, still just check em out. Please let me know what you think about the page, thank you very much for everybody's attention, Arie Fachrisal From Alexgoe at aol.com Sun Mar 19 21:04:06 2000 From: Alexgoe at aol.com (Alexgoe@aol.com) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 15:04:06 EST Subject: The Ducks are taking over Message-ID: <9c.2415947.26068cb6@aol.com> Hi! First thanks to Halvor for your interesting facts. I compared them with some German "Donald Duck" issues (published 1974-1998). In the 70ies and 80ies there were lots of stories of the Beagle Boys, Chip'n Dale and the wolves. In the 90ies there weren't much of these figures (if not to say nearly none...) SoI can confirm your statistics for this issue.... > The results show that for many years the ducks had about 40-50% of the total > number of pages. The year 1962 had only 36%. From 1985 the percentage has > increased and the highest percentage was 1999 with 70,6%. > Mickey and friends were not so much used the earliest years. In 1952 only 9% > were dedicated to him. He rapidly became more popular, with the top in 1983 > with 38,2%. After that it has been downhill, and in 1999 it was only 21,2%. While reading some new "Lustige Taschenbuecher" I noticed that there's only one story of Mickey published per isssue. Normally there are 7 to 8 stories a issue. In our two Y2K-jubilee issues (includes 13 stories) there were also only one Mickey-story per issue, all other are about the Ducks. So I must increase your statistic... at least for the LTB... Maybe Mickey isn't so requested any more like he was years ago. So I'd like to ask other members of the mailing list if this is in other countries so, too. Does anybody know something about this? > If anyone wants more details regarding this subject, please contact me. I > can also find such results for other coutries that are reasonably updated in > INDUCKS. Maybe you could do this with the German weekly, the Micky Maus Magazin ? I'd be interested in these results because I don't have old issues of the mag... Greetings, Alex Goerig From julietv at email.com Mon Mar 20 01:55:27 2000 From: julietv at email.com (Juliet Violette) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 19:55:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: Picking at details Message-ID: <382747876.953513727356.JavaMail.root@web03_mc.mail.com> Is there a FAQ for this list? I should probably read it. I was wondering... did Carl Barks "invent" Uncle Scrooge? and if so, was he working for Disney or another company? I'm always surprised when I see Scrooge in Disney things for some reason. I have this shrine to him basically in my living room and I think the only things actually made by Disney are the bubble gum bank and the clock. I guess I get a little irritated at Disney when they (in MY eyes) misuse Scrooge. I bought my daughter a book because it had Donald on the cover. It turned out to be a story about Donald Duck's birthday party. Uncle Scrooge showed up empty handed. He said he had been robbed. Everyone laughed at him because he was lying, he was too cheap to buy a gift. It just went against the whole "And he did it fair and square!" thing. He got really mad when they accused him of lying and even threw stuff. Also, I never really liked the Ducktales cartoons (do they have those in other countries?) I've bought some for my daughter though, and they aren't too bad really. I'm giving them a second chance... at least they're introuducing my daughter to my passion. :) Sorry that this is off the comic book topic :( Juliet Violette Las Vegas, USA ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From H.W.Fluks at kpn.com Mon Mar 20 10:24:25 2000 From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com (Fluks, H.W.) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:24:25 +0100 Subject: Rosa books in Finland. Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522A76EAE@l04.research.kpn.com> > From: Janne Heino [mailto:j.heino at pp2.inet.fi] > Sent: Friday, March 17, 2000 12:00 AM > Rosa is hot in Finlad ... believe me or not. But he wasn't elected for president, right? 8-) Any idea how much votes he got? --Harry. From DGE at ECN.egmont.com Mon Mar 20 11:47:13 2000 From: DGE at ECN.egmont.com (Gerstein, David DK - ECN) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:47:13 +0100 Subject: Donald Duck & Co # 7 - 2000 Message-ID: <716EC96EB1D2D011BE3200805FC1974381D890@CPHEGTD1-XCH02> Hey J?rgen, My thanks are long overdue for the kind words you gave me about my recent Pegleg Pete birthday story. I'm damn glad you enjoyed it - you'll never know how I secretly burned the midnight oil, frantically trying to finish the story after-hours and get it done by the day Byron was to start editing it (Oops! Now you know! :-). >Once you told me >(jokingly) that you put the characters into the story, and then let >their personalities run the story. It does show that this is what you've >been doing here. Thanks for noticing this! When plotting the story, I spent quite a while deadlocked. The opening and climax of the story were the first parts of the story that came to my mind, so there was no question that I knew what was going to happen there. But the lengthy gag sequence of Pete's second childhood - with everyone trying to teach him things - was obviously going to be the tough part. Try as I might, it was difficult to figure out what would really work in this segment. Then, finally, one Sunday I sorta knew it was do or die; I forced myself to relax totally, eating, reading, listening to music and sitting around my flat doing nothing really active. At last, around eight o' clock, I looked back at the outline for Page 3 of the story. Suddenly, it was like Clarabelle - blabbermouth that she is - started to write the story for me, offering to teach Pete how to drive and then launching (for no particular reason at all) into a cranky speech about how bad she thought today's drivers were. And in about five minutes, everything sort of developed from there. >I hope we'll see more of this. I haven't written a lot of stories lately, but I did do a story with Mickey versus Eli Squinch last year. It will eventually turn up. I also did a short Cousin Fethry story that was published last week. But while I do write a story now and then, it's right now most important that I do my duty as an *editor* around here! One story that I edited last summer, by the way, was Andreas Pihl's three-parter "The Rise and Fall of Donald Duck," which he and I are both very glad you enjoyed. The unusual panel layout and staging that you liked so much are Andreas' own work, by the way; Mr. Colomer followed Andreas' page layouts just about precisely, and I agree that the results came out great! If you want to see more of Andreas' work, by the way, cast your eyes toward our pocketbooks. His numerous stories for it include one ("The Rehabs of Bounty," D 97394) that pits Mickey against Sylvester Shyster for the first time in some while. David Gerstein From donrosa at iglou.com Mon Mar 20 15:07:58 2000 From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:07:58 -0500 Subject: DCML digest #118 References: <200003201100.MAA05371@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <002d01bf9275$cd0d67e0$b9eeffcc@default> From: "Arie Fachrisal" >>>What is the relation between Mickey and Jaq&Gus? Cousins? Long cousins? Very long relatives? Very-very long relatives? Very-very-very long ones? Or not at all? Not at all. Gus and Jaq are mice, Mickey is a human. Sooner you should worry about creatures who live their lives in close proximity to one another, like Goofy and Pluto, or Grandma Duck and the ducks waddling around in her barnyard. What's that all about? But what's more amusing to do, and which we've done on here from time to time, is try to count the number of different types of characters there are in Disney comics. An incomplete list would include normal animals (the squirrels in the background trees, the fish in the water), normal animals that have high intelligence (Pluto), normal animals with super-intelligence and the ability to think and speak, at least to other animals (Chip n' Dale, Scamp), animals who wear clothes and live in houses but otherwise act like normal animals and eat each other (Big Bad Wolf, 3 Pigs), characters drawn in some ways as animals but which are clearly otherwise completely human (Donald, Mickey, etc.), Barksian Duckburg people that are totally human but grudgingly given round black noses on an otherwise completely human body to satisfy ancient style-book customs, and normal humans with normal noses. And there are more categories in between all those -- I recall someone once came up with about 15 or so, perhaps also counting the animation characters. From: Rich Subject: WonderCon 2000 & Don Rosa? >>>Anyone going? Don, or someone who knows, will you be there all three days or only specific hours on a given day? I will be there on all 3 days. Let's tell them what we're talking about. WonderCon is a comic-convention in Oakland, California (near SF) on April 7-9. From: Juliet Violette >>>I was wondering... did Carl Barks "invent" Uncle Scrooge? and if so, was he working for Disney or another company? He did create $crooge while working for the Dell/Western publishing company. And everything that appears in a Disney licensed comic automatically is Disney property, not that of the creator or publisher. That's why Carl Barks is not the wealthiest cartoonist in the history of the universe. (But he's done okay in the last 20 years with paintings and lithographs and such, we're happy to know!) >>> I have this shrine to him basically in my living room and I think the only things actually made by Disney are the bubble gum bank and the clock. I know the bank and I'm not sure about the clock, but neither were made by Disney. They don't make stuff, they collect the fees from the companies that do. Actually, I think the only items actually made BY a company owned by Disney are some modern-day "collectibles" like the "Walt Disney Classics Collection" "limited edition" figurines or the beanie @#%&* babies at the Di$ney $tores... but I really don't pay attention to that type stuff. I'm a collector of real, honest toys made for normal humans with or without round black noses... stuff not associated with those "edition-limited-to-the-maximum-number-we-estimate-we-can-get-people-to-buy collectibles" rackets. I like the stuff that when they stop making them because they can't sell any more, they don't say the item is "retired and the molds broken, soon to be hothothot", they say they stopped making them because they can't sell anymore. Those were the days. From: "Fluks, H.W." > Rosa is hot in Finland ... believe me or not. >>>But he wasn't elected for president, right? 8-) Any idea how much votes he got? I've tried checking on that with no luck. I know I got lots of votes in their usual crackpot-write-in category where AKU ANKKA (Donald) always does so well. But they tell me that for the first time the government did not release the vote-results of the write-in silly-walk candidates. Was that a coincidence? Or did I get so many votes while being an *actual* human being that they were embarrassed by it? Or maybe it bothered someone that I was asked about my being a presidential candidate in all the interviews I did there in Finland when I visited. Oh, well.... I didn't want to move to Finland, anyway.... I just planted some asparagus. From xephyr at jps.net Mon Mar 20 07:52:46 2000 From: xephyr at jps.net (Rich) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 06:52:46 +0000 Subject: Picking at details References: <200003201100.MAA05364@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <38D5CABE.889F9A5C@jps.net> Juliette- > 6. (Juliet Violette) > Is there a FAQ for this list? I should probably > read it. Not really a FAQ per se, there's just too many directions this List tends to go, but... Here's a few places you might want to start: http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/dcml/ http://www.jps.net/xephyr/rich/dzone/hoozoo/hzlist.html And be sure to check out these links to the various sites of the knowledgable members of this Mailing List: http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/dcml/pointers.html As for the story about Scrooge and Donald's birthday, while it seems normal, to ME that $crooge would come presentless, it does seem odd that he would start throwing objects. Of course, not having seen the story you are talking about I would need to understand the context which would cause $crooge to do such an odd thing, otherwise I'm inclined to agree that it is out of character. As for DuckTales, I love both the cartoon and the comics and wish they were still published here in the USA! I know a lot of hardcore $crooge and Duck fans despise Webby, Gizmoduck and Bubba the Caveduck, and dislike the change in Flintheart Glomgold, but, for the most part I like them. To me it was just so cool to see my comicbook characters come to life in cartoons! > Sorry that this is off the comic book topic :( Well, it was related, so I don't think it is a problem. :-) Rich Bellacera From cien2 at cbn.net.id Mon Mar 20 19:14:25 2000 From: cien2 at cbn.net.id (Arie Fachrisal) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 01:14:25 +0700 Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #118 - 8 msgs References: <200003201100.MAA05377@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <004801bf9298$c8ac90e0$6c1c9eca@kulim> > From: Alexgoe at aol.com > Maybe Mickey isn't so requested any more like he was years ago. So I'd > like to ask other members of the mailing list if this is in other countries > so, too. Does anybody know something about this? i am bored reading most MM stories cause of his perfection. i remember a MM story by Gottfredson where MM must get several cameras to check for hidden things??? and he actually swipe a camera from a little girl, now that's revolting, it aint somethin i see everyday. Most Mm stories are just too boring and cliche with guessable endings (except for good works from Floyd and Murry). In my country people also prefers the ducks than the mice. > From: Juliet Violette > I was wondering... did Carl Barks "invent" Uncle > Scrooge? and if so, was he working for Disney or > another company? Yep, when he was working for Western Publishing if i'm not mistaken. I'm always surprised when I see > Scrooge in Disney things for some reason. I have > this shrine to him basically in my living room and "shrine"??? > Also, I never really liked the Ducktales cartoons > (do they have those in other countries?) Ugh, i don;t like that series also. it was aired here in my country few years ago. About the ducks takin over Not that i against it. it's just that shameful isn't it to let other potential characters met their declining starring stories because of the ducks are taking over. As much as i love the ducks, a stroy or two of Panchito, Bad Wolf, Carioca, or Brer always amuse me and give something fresh. Heck, i dont know if i'm the only one but i do think the ducks have been exploited too many times by now that only one tenth of the recent stories really packed something new and wonderful. The others are mostly cliched stories and slow-paced, guessable plot, sorry for saying this but an honest fan is certainly legal or politically correct, right? What i'm trying to say is give the ducks a break. There are still many characters left for development. MM is waiting for *that* talent that will bring him once again as the true highlight of Disney. And i'm not satisfied with recent Brer stories, too. The classic ones are too dang good. What of Goffy? i've seen Super Goffy, Goffy one-page gags, and others, and they are nicely done especially the one-pager. Where are the new stories? Best, Arie Fachrisal From reimersholme at hotmail.com Mon Mar 20 21:45:01 2000 From: reimersholme at hotmail.com (Stefan Persson) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:45:01 CET Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #118 - 8 msgs Message-ID: <20000320204501.28322.qmail@hotmail.com> >From: "Arie Fachrisal" >Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 01:14:25 +0700 >i am bored reading most MM stories cause of his perfection. i remember a MM >story by Gottfredson where MM must get several cameras to check for hidden >things??? Yes, this one ("MM outvists the Phantom Blot" from 1939) is one of the best MM stories I have ever read! More like this is needed! >>From: Juliet Violette >>I was wondering... did Carl Barks "invent" Uncle Scrooge? and if so, was >>he working for Disney or another company? >Yep, when he was working for Western Publishing if i'm not mistaken. Correct. "Cristmas on Bear Mountain" was first published in 1947. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From halvor.sandven at dnb.no Tue Mar 21 09:43:18 2000 From: halvor.sandven at dnb.no (Sandven, Halvor) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 09:43:18 +0100 Subject: The Ducks are taking over Message-ID: <20000321084630Z180292-27266+224@merganser.its.uu.se> Hello! I just have to make some more comments regarding the increase of Duck-stories in the weeklies. Besides the danish weekly, I have also run my system on the dutch and german weeklies, and have found much of the same results here. The danish publication had in 1999 70,6% duck-related stories (the highest ever), and 21,2 Mickey-related stories, leaving only 8,2% for the wolves, rabbits etc. The german publication had this year 74,4% duck-related stories (also the highest ever) and 20,0% Mickey-related stories. This was the lowest persentage since 1963. This leaves only 5,6% to other stuff. The dutch weekly had 60,6% duck-related stories, and this is about average for the 90ies. There were only 6,0% Mickey-related stories, and this is also about average for the last years. This leaves 33,4% for other stuff. Details will be sent to those who have asked for this. In my opinion there are a bit too much Duck-related stories in the Scandinavian and German weeklies. Of course, good Duck-stories may be the main reason to buy these comics, but many of these stories are just about average. I would like to see fewer of average Duck-stories, and more good stories of the wolves and rabbits and so on. Also, many of these non-Duck and non-Mickey stories appeal to the youngest readers, and I think it's important that there's som stuff to them too. I like to read the weeklies to my children, and my daughter, who is 5 years, often prefers stories by Madam Mim and Grandma Duck. To keep the interest in the weeklies for future generations, there should be a variety of stories to read for every age. People like Gil Turner, Paul Murry, Al Hubbard and so on, have shown us that these kind of stories can be very good, and also may appeal to more adult readers. A newer artist like David, is also quite good. There seems to be a decline of Mouse-stories too, and this worries me a bit. I think the quality of these stories nowadays is very high, and often it's the Mickey-story I enjoy most in the weekly. Then it's a shame that only a fifth of the comic is dedicated to Mickey and friends. I really pity the dutch readers who don't get to read many of these very good Mickey-stories in their weekly. On the other hand they got more of other stuff. What do other members on this mailing-list think of this subject? ---Halvor * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email with attachments is solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. Please also be aware that DnB cannot accept any payment orders or other legally binding correspondence with customers as a part of an email. This email message has been virus checked by the virus programs used in the DnB Group. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From cien2 at cbn.net.id Tue Mar 21 17:04:30 2000 From: cien2 at cbn.net.id (Arie Fachrisal) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 23:04:30 +0700 Subject: Mm outwits Phantom Blot References: <200003211100.MAA28256@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <01c001bf934f$e2a002e0$d5189eca@kulim> > From: "Stefan Persson" > Yes, this one ("MM outvists the Phantom Blot" from 1939) is one of the best > MM stories I have ever read! More like this is needed! Yes, the evil grin on Mickey's face when he's running away in a speeding car IS a sight to be seen and remembered. i really like that part and laugh at the "gag". it was so nicely done and cute how MM chose to swipe off that camera from a helpless but somewhat stubborn little girl. i agree with you, this kind of stories should be done more. there's always a bad side in ourselves, just how and when depends on the situation. BTW another example of this should be DD in the Golden Helmet, now that showed me that even heroes can have a gleam in their eyes;-) So are Dd and the Prof real heroes, nah...the nephews...nah...one of the nephews actually had a gleam in his eye and heaven knows what will happen if the helmet wasn't thrown away, might as well all the characters in the story have gleams in their eyes:-) Best, Arie Fachrisal From K.Pedersen at Oberthurcs.com Tue Mar 21 18:23:00 2000 From: K.Pedersen at Oberthurcs.com (Kristian Pedersen) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:23:00 +0100 Subject: Character categories Message-ID: <773611759F9.AAA1635@relais-int4.globalintranet.net> Arie Fachrisal wrote: >>>What is the relation between Mickey and Jaq&Gus? Cousins? Long cousins? Very long relatives? Very-very long relatives? Very-very-very long ones? Or not at all? and Don Rosa wrote: >>>But what's more amusing to do, and which we've done on here from time to time, is try to count the number of different types of characters there are in Disney comics. Apart from the categories Don mention, one that springs to my mind is the anthropomorphized (if such a word exists!) little boat and his father. Their rare occurrences in the Danish weekly always mystified me when I was a child! Also, I think Horace Horsecollar is a bit of an oddity, wearing human clothes AND horse gear at the same time. I think I remember an old strip in which he's much more horse-like and Mickey is trying to tame him. Can this be true? And are there other characters that have evolved that drastically? Kristian Pedersen (Just back on the ML after two-year absence in case somebody remembers me!) From Alexgoe at aol.com Tue Mar 21 21:34:01 2000 From: Alexgoe at aol.com (Alexgoe@aol.com) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:34:01 EST Subject: The Ducks are taking over/ Message-ID: <97.3389c7f.260936b9@aol.com> Hi! Arie: > > Maybe Mickey isn't so requested any more like he was years ago. So I'd > > like to ask other members of the mailing list if this is in other > countries > > so, too. Does anybody know something about this? > i am bored reading most MM stories cause of his perfection. i remember a MM > story by Gottfredson where MM must get several cameras to check for hidden > things??? and he actually swipe a camera from a little girl, now that's > revolting, it aint somethin i see everyday. Most Mm stories are just too > boring and cliche with guessable endings (except for good works from Floyd > and Murry). In my country people also prefers the ducks than the mice. I should tell that I'm not such a big fan of the MM-stories, but when I see the some Duck-stories with every time the same story, I prefer reading the ones about Mickey. Maybe the stories in the weeklies (the stories after ~ 1994) are a bit complex and ordinar (beside the Rosa or Barks ones)... IMO they are made for younger kids, at the age of 8-10. The most important thing in these stories is in my impression action and not a good story. Maybe I dislike them because I'm a fan of the Italian stories, artists and writers which aren't published in our weekly. Their Mickey-stories are better than the Egmont stories, just remember the great time-machine stories! MM, for instance detective stories written by good authors. Halvor: > In my opinion there are a bit too much Duck-related stories in the > Scandinavian and German weeklies. Of course, good Duck-stories may be the > main reason to buy these comics, but many of these stories are just about > average. I would like to see fewer of average Duck-stories, and more good > stories of the wolves and rabbits and so on. Also, many of these non-Duck > and non-Mickey stories appeal to the youngest readers, and I think it's > important that there's som stuff to them too. I like to read the weeklies to > my children, and my daughter, who is 5 years, often prefers stories by Madam > Mim and Grandma Duck. To keep the interest in the weeklies for future > generations, there should be a variety of stories to read for every age. > People like Gil Turner, Paul Murry, Al Hubbard and so on, have shown us that > these kind of stories can be very good, and also may appeal to more adult > readers. A newer artist like David, is also quite good. > There seems to be a decline of Mouse-stories too, and this worries me a bit. > I think the quality of these stories nowadays is very high, and often it's > the Mickey-story I enjoy most in the weekly. Then it's a shame that only a > fifth of the comic is dedicated to Mickey and friends. I really pity the > dutch readers who don't get to read many of these very good Mickey-stories > in their weekly. On the other hand they got more of other stuff. > > What do other members on this mailing-list think of this subject? In my opinion the quality of the stories nowadays isn't very high, it turned down in the 90ies. Even the Ducks, MM or other stories, they are on a low level. I hope that these stories will change their principels, meaning not making them based on action and with a more intelligent story. I guess that these new stories aren't so popular, because in our weekly often old Barks stories are published... Alex From kyrimis at cti.gr Wed Mar 22 08:07:13 2000 From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:07:13 +0200 (EET) Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #102 - 4 msgs In-Reply-To: <200003211100.MAA28249@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: ARIE: > MM is waiting for *that* talent that will > bring him once again as the true highlight of Disney. Well, *that* talent has stated more than once that he's not interested in doing Mickey stories... Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr) (WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis) ----- "That is the dematerializing control, and that over yonder is the horizontal hold. Up there is the scanner, those are the doors, that is a chair with a panda on it, sheer poetry dear boy!" ----- From reimersholme at hotmail.com Wed Mar 22 10:23:39 2000 From: reimersholme at hotmail.com (Stefan Persson) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:23:39 CET Subject: Mm outwits Phantom Blot Message-ID: <20000322092339.53012.qmail@hotmail.com> >From: "Arie Fachrisal" >Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 23:04:30 +0700 >Yes, the evil grin on Mickey's face when he's running away in a speeding >car IS a sight to be seen and remembered. And also all the ways the Blot is trying to kill Mickey, are good. More like this is wanted! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cien2 at cbn.net.id Wed Mar 22 15:41:47 2000 From: cien2 at cbn.net.id (Arie Fachrisal) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:41:47 +0700 Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #120 - 5 msgs References: <200003221100.MAA18370@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <00a401bf940d$abff8a80$f4189eca@kulim> > From: Kriton Kyrimis > ARIE: > > > MM is waiting for *that* talent that will > > bring him once again as the true highlight of Disney. > > Well, *that* talent has stated more than once that he's not interested > in doing Mickey stories... Well, er.....to be true, i didn't mean *that* talent when i wrote that line down. i just mean any artist who is capable to make very good stories is still to be searched and found in this duck-crazed world. BTW i'm sure if *that* talent were willing to do just one MM story, maybe MM will find his long-awaited glory once again. But that's probably a Mission Impossible thing to do. Back to lurking mode, Arie Fachrisal From ole.roc at get2net.dk Wed Mar 22 15:40:20 2000 From: ole.roc at get2net.dk (Ole Reichstein Nielsen) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:40:20 +0100 Subject: Namedropping on MM talents References: <200003221100.MAA18363@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <001c01bf940c$90632bc0$148a2fc3@roc> Arie: > > MM is waiting for *that* talent that will > > bring him once again as the true highlight of Disney. Kriton: > Well, *that* talent has stated more than once that he's not interested > in doing Mickey stories... I too find the Mickey stories generally to be the best part of the Egmont weeklies - even when they are not by Gerstein and Scarpa! :-) But along with good art by Ferioli and Rodrigues and very good stories especially by Stefan Petrucha and Sarah Kinney, there is also a lot of things going on in Italy. Especially Tito Faraci, whose work on a few stories in the Topolino weekly has drawn attention, is getting good reviews for his work on Mickey Mouse Mystery Magazine. This is a book similar in format to "Paperinik New Adventures", but with Mickey in the role of the classic American 'gumshoe' detective in the Dixon Hill tradition. It's got plenty of atmosphere and clever dialog and it's way better than Egmont's failed attempt at the same approach a few years ago. Egmont insiders: what's the word on Byron Erickson and Giorgio Cavazzano's upcoming mega-epic "Huey, Dewey and Louie: World of the Dragonlords"? When and where should we start looking for the beginning of this long saga? Kristian Pedersen: Welcome back! Any new stories in the pipes for your fans? oLe _U From cien2 at cbn.net.id Wed Mar 22 17:03:53 2000 From: cien2 at cbn.net.id (Arie Fachrisal) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:03:53 +0700 Subject: Mm outwits Phantom Blot References: <200003221100.MAA18370@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <00a901bf9418$5ef7fe60$d3189eca@kulim> > From: "Stefan Persson" > >From: "Arie Fachrisal" > >Yes, the evil grin on Mickey's face when he's running away in a speeding > >car IS a sight to be seen and remembered. > > And also all the ways the Blot is trying to kill Mickey, are good. More like > this is wanted! But which artist dare to make MM that "evil" yet more humanistic features? Disney certainly want to make their mascot a perfect role model for the kids though i think that the ducks are better role model than MM because of their similarities with human's twisted egos and behaviors:-) Best, Arie Fachrisal From cien2 at cbn.net.id Wed Mar 22 16:59:00 2000 From: cien2 at cbn.net.id (Arie Fachrisal) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:59:00 +0700 Subject: Character categories References: <200003221100.MAA18370@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <00a801bf9418$5e60ee80$d3189eca@kulim> > From: Kristian Pedersen > Also, I think Horace Horsecollar is a bit of an oddity, wearing human > clothes > AND horse gear at the same time. Now that you mention it, now i see it. i never realize that part before. Wow, thanks and it IS sure an odd thing for good ol Horace to wear that gear. Maybe he's thinking the gear as his "accessory" to his clothes??? Best, Arie Fachrisal From marcobar at ds.unifi.it Wed Mar 22 16:53:14 2000 From: marcobar at ds.unifi.it (Marco Barlotti) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:53:14 +0100 Subject: Kristian Pedersen In-Reply-To: <200003221100.MAA18366@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000322165314.0085b600@ds.unifi.it> At 18:23:00 21/03/00 +0100, Kristian Pedersen wrote: > >(Just back on the ML after two-year absence in case somebody remembers me!) > Well, in case you don't remember Kristian, taste his cleverness at http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/Comics/Stones.html ;-) Welcome back, Kristian! Marco From acsive at mail.mira.dk Sat Mar 25 07:11:20 2000 From: acsive at mail.mira.dk (Anders Christian Sivebaek) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 07:11:20 +0100 Subject: Hello? Message-ID: <200003250606.HAA01072@mail.mira.dk> I wonder why I didn't get my digest the past 2 days. I have to remind myself that IU have some subjects to talk about: The new weeklies editorials, the campaign of the danish Lo$-book in 1997/1998 and hopefully my catches today, when I go to a big market. On the danish list, we've been talking about a barks Library that should come out in DK. It seems that it will be much like the Gold Book that we already have, so practically all of us would like better to see a Scarpa, Strobl or Rosa-Library. A. C. Sivebaek acsive at mail.mira.dk From favio31 at caramail.com Sat Mar 25 17:05:33 2000 From: favio31 at caramail.com (Thierry Fernand) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 17:05:33 GMT+1 Subject: Donald Duck strips online Message-ID: <953999895011641@caramail.com> http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Cinema/9080/various/sunday.html More and rarer images will follow soon. Favio _______________________________________________________ Vendez tout... aux ench?res - http://www.caraplazza.com From cien2 at cbn.net.id Sat Mar 25 17:53:39 2000 From: cien2 at cbn.net.id (Arie Fachrisal) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 23:53:39 +0700 Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #120 - 5 msgs References: <200003221100.MAA18370@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <026901bf967a$ac351640$d9189eca@kulim> Hi all, Funny....since this DCML digest vol 1 #120-5msgs on 22nd March, i haven't received any digest from this mailing list. Is there something wrong with my mail program or everybody also don't get any digest since??? thanks in advance, Arie Fachrisal From julietv at email.com Sat Mar 25 20:37:28 2000 From: julietv at email.com (Juliet Violette) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 14:37:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #119 - 5 msgs Message-ID: <385427650.954013048387.JavaMail.root@web03_mc.mail.com> As for Carl Barks... I was working at the Las Vegas airport at one time (around '89) and I heard something like, "Paging Carl Barks to [some terminal]" So I put a "closed" sign on my shop and took off running to that gate. Didn't see him. It may have been a different Carl Barks, but you can never know! :) If it was Don Rosa... I wouldn't have got the sign up, I would've passed out from excitement. Also, the last time I went to Disneyland, there was an Uncle Scrooge character walking around. As soon as I saw him, I went RUNNING through Cinderella's Castle for him, but he must have gone into one of those hidden tunnels they have because I missed him. I swear, when I get around to taking my daughter there, I will stand at the gate and say, "You'd better get a cast member in that Uncle Scrooge suit so I can get a picture and autograph -- I didn't come all this way for nothing!" ;) Those Ducktale characters, I don't like them! Probably because they take time away from Scroogie and the nephews, which is what I'm tuning in for. I'm AM grateful that they put those cartoons out... it lead to my being able to purchase a lot of Uncle Scrooge stuff. There was even stuff in cereal boxes and at Long John Silver's seafood I got a Scrooge straw-hugger. Juliet Violette Las Vegas, Calisoda http://www.lvdi.net/~emerald/Index.html ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From mrolink at study.haifa.ac.il Sun Mar 26 17:53:58 2000 From: mrolink at study.haifa.ac.il (Michal Rolink) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 17:53:58 +0200 (IST) Subject: hellow again Message-ID: hi everybody!! i'm miki from israel and im new in that list. i'd like to know if there are other people from israel?? does anyone comes to israel soon?? i need someone to "get me into business" because its hard for me to get to know you all alone. can someone please make some order in this mass... thanks!! (by the way,thank you so much Rob for the information!!!) From kaptajn.gru at image.dk Sun Mar 26 15:20:55 2000 From: kaptajn.gru at image.dk (Andreas Pihl) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 15:20:55 +0200 Subject: Thank you Message-ID: <000901bf9753$59e01280$534b36d4@gruzom> I just read Your review, and I'll tell you that I was very flattered by your kind words about the "Peanut Pusher" story, as we called it during production. Thanks! Andreas Pihl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20000327/f3c5b97b/attachment.html From gwtank at email.msn.com Mon Mar 27 02:08:17 2000 From: gwtank at email.msn.com (gwtank) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 16:08:17 -0800 Subject: Message to Stefan Schmidt Message-ID: <005101bf9780$8e980a00$eb070e3f@u16z6> Efforts to locate an e-mail address failed. This will notify that the BD Card for Carl Barks 99th, sent to me, has been duly delivered. gwtank at msn.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20000327/bda1a230/attachment.html From ARoden at compuserve.com Mon Mar 27 07:43:06 2000 From: ARoden at compuserve.com (DarrellR) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 00:43:06 -0500 Subject: Miscellaneous Responses Message-ID: <200003270043_MC2-9EB1-6100@compuserve.com> I've been terribly behind on my email and have been trying to catch up on all the digests that I had archived. I had a few comments on some subjects that have been mentioned over the past couple of months. 1) Female artists - In my humble opinion, anyone who's seen any of Susan Daigle-Leach's work would never refer to her as "just a colorist". I personally like her coloring work on the Ducks, but her other art is also outstanding! I'm certainly not a professional art critic, but I know what I like!!! 2) Southern dialects and Brer Rabbit, etc. - I believe it was Rodney that pointed out that the speech used in the Song of the South wasn't atypical of older people raised in the Southern U.S., regardless of race. Having spent the majority of my life in the Southern part of the U.S.A., I would concur with this opinion. I would further add that although it has declined drastically with time and exposure to radio and television, this dialect wasn't limited to illiterate people. I've known many highly literate individuals born prior to 1910 or so, who spoke in a manner similar to that illustrated in these stories. As long as one remembers the time period in which the stories originated, the speech patterns really shouldn't cause offense. 3) Sensitivity to portrayal of Native Americans - I am 5/8 Cherokee, 3/8 Caucasian (that 3/8 descended primarily from English settlers), and a member of the Western Cherokee Nation... I appreciated the lists that some members made of Native Americans in comics, and over the years, have enjoyed reading stories featuring many of the characters listed. As long as a character isn't portrayed as being less valuable or intelligent strictly because of race, I can appreciate the story (assuming that it's well done!). I was very happy to see Don Rosa's War of the Wendigo story published at the end of Gladstone's run, and I enjoyed it very much. In fact, I have a hard time seeing how anyone could be offended by any aspect of it. However, I do realize that some Native Americans are more sensitive than I am, and I think that this just means that there are some individuals, regardless of race, who are very sensitive about their background, race, culture, etc. I'm afraid that it gets back to a point that Don made several digests ago: no matter what you do or say, if you have a large enough audience someone's going to be unhappy with some aspect of it. (Please forgive the paraphrasing, Don!) The folks who get upset over the naming of sports teams, etc. aren't overly common, in my experience. However, they can be very vocal. I'm just glad that folks like Don tell the stories that they enjoy, and try not to worry too much about the reactions of a small faction. Maybe if Disney had taken the same attitude, (and been nicer to the folks that were trying to keep their characters alive in comics) we might still have Disney comics in the US... :( Sorry about the delayed input. I'd like to say that I'll stay more current, but I wouldn't bet on it! Take care and Do'-da-da-go'-hv-i' (Goodbye - We'll see one another again - in Cherokee), Darrell C. Roden State Road, NC USA From pekka.malmstrom at uppsala.mail.telia.com Mon Mar 27 08:30:21 2000 From: pekka.malmstrom at uppsala.mail.telia.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Per-Erik_Malmstr=F6m?=) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 08:30:21 +0200 Subject: March 27 -- a greate date! Message-ID: <200003270629.IAA07059@d1o913.telia.com> Quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack, and quack! Happy 99 Carl! You're the greatest! /Per-Erik From arthurfaria at projesom.com.br Mon Mar 27 10:05:01 2000 From: arthurfaria at projesom.com.br (Arthur Faria Jr.) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 05:05:01 -0300 Subject: New Brazilian Fethry's spin-off stories on the Web! Message-ID: <002901bf97c6$0bca7680$5aabfbc8@Arthur> Hi! As I promised, I put some new Brazilian Fethry's spin-off stories on the Web. Marco Barlotti suggested the first Pena Kid story, when he was just a comic character drawn by Fethry Duck for Scrooge's newspaper. But his origin needed three stories to be told: a) B 74141 Uncle Scrooge "Quadrinhos e Adivinhos" Art: Carlos Herrero Pena Kid is only mentioned twice, as a Donald's idea for a comic character for Scrooge's newspaper. I scanned only the two panels where he appears since the rest of the story has nothing to do with him: http://www.projesom.com.br/afaria/b_fethry/b74141.jpg b) B 74144 Donald Duck "Pena Kid e Xaxam" (9 pages) Art: Carlos Herrero http://www.projesom.com.br/afaria/b_fethry/ Again, the character appears in two panels only, as one of many comic characters created by FE and DD to attract comic readers for Scrooge's newspapers, while Rockerduck does the same. Curiosity: Some Brazilian artists, writers, inkers and editors of the 70s appear in Rockerduck's artistic teams, caricatured as dog noses, pig noses, etc. Carlos Herrero, the artist of all stories of that phase, depicted himself as a pig nose in page 5, panel 7) c) B 74143 Fethry Duck "Uma miss?o espinhosa" (9 pages) Art: Carlos Herrero http://www.projesom.com.br/afaria/b_fethry/ The first complete Pena Kid's story, a comic story inside another, where one can see Fethry drawing it, while Donald and Scrooge stick their oars in it according to the readers' reactions. Since then the character became a Fethry's creation. Have fun. -- Arthur. From jvainio at levi.urova.fi Sat Mar 25 13:25:52 2000 From: jvainio at levi.urova.fi (Vainio Jyrki) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 14:25:52 +0200 (WET) Subject: Erlangen Salon Message-ID: Can any of the list members help me to find information on the Erlangen Comics Festival? Will there be one this year? Do they have a web site? ---Jyrki Vainio, Finland From bhc at primenet.com Tue Mar 14 16:22:34 2000 From: bhc at primenet.com (bhc@primenet.com) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 08:22:34 -0700 Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #112 - 7 msgs In-Reply-To: <200003141100.MAA24719@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: David: >However, you can still see the strip's image of Donald pitching an >object (which is changed to a baseball) - Gladstone uses it many times as >the logo for their daily strip reprints in various 1994 issues of DONALD >DUCK. Yes, but my personal favorite theme-of-repetition was the background photo of several ranks of golf balls used on the cover of every Gladstone comic, regular or album, that contained anything having to do with golf. Gary **************************** "I took the liberty of updating your resume. I'm guessing you'll need it soon" - the world's smartest garbage man ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Gladstone *still* on the Web: http://www.brucehamilton.com/gladstone From sko at acoustics.dk Mon Mar 27 19:00:23 2000 From: sko at acoustics.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren?= Krarup Olesen) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:00:23 +0200 Subject: Hello? In-Reply-To: <200003250606.HAA01072@mail.mira.dk> References: <200003250606.HAA01072@mail.mira.dk> Message-ID: <00032719044200.01626@localhost.localdomain> AC wrote: > [...] so practically all of us would like better to see > a Scarpa, Strobl or Rosa-Library. Accordingly (eh-eh! :-) Søren From sko at acoustics.dk Tue Mar 28 01:19:09 2000 From: sko at acoustics.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren?= Krarup Olesen) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 01:19:09 +0200 Subject: Hello? In-Reply-To: <200003250606.HAA01072@mail.mira.dk> References: <200003250606.HAA01072@mail.mira.dk> Message-ID: <00032801203801.01314@localhost.localdomain> AC wrote: > [...] so practically all of us would like better to see > a Scarpa, Strobl or Rosa-Library. ...accordingly ;-) Søren From kalas.puff at falkenberg.mail.telia.com Tue Mar 28 22:21:33 2000 From: kalas.puff at falkenberg.mail.telia.com (Joakim Gunnarsson) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 22:21:33 +0200 Subject: ebay. Message-ID: <002301bf98f3$3a3219a0$c9c3c6c3@default> Hi, all! Just want to inform you that one seller has lots of rare Disney stuff for sale on ebay right now. Floyd Gottfredson Portfolio year: 1935, 1937, 1939 & 1953. These are the black and white uncut and uncensored Mickey Mouse daily strip collecctions that was discussed some time ago on this list. Search in Comic Books: Newspaper comics section. ( Or follow this link to the 1939 volume: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=292674595 ) + An original page by Romano Scarpa! (In English!!! Made for the "Overseas Comic Book Program" in 1980.) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=288528954 + An original page by Vicar!!! (This is more rare than a Barks page actually since but a few are locked away in Egmonts vault!) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=292596701 And I might also add that Michael Naiman (?) has some really nice Don Rosa originals for sale also. + a complete scribble for an Uncle Scrooge story! Search in Comic Books: Original Art. Great stuff, great stuff... Happy Hunting! /Joakim. _______________________________________________ http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/ankism From pekka.malmstrom at uppsala.mail.telia.com Wed Mar 29 15:06:50 2000 From: pekka.malmstrom at uppsala.mail.telia.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Per-Erik_Malmstr=F6m?=) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:06:50 +0200 Subject: Early artwork by Daan Jippes... Message-ID: <200003291313.PAA21303@d1o913.telia.com> Hi folks! I have been contacted by a man from the Neatherlands who has in his possession a bounch of sketchbooks that Daan Jippes filled up during his years in high school. He doesn't know much about comics (much less the crazy people interested in them) so I promised to spread the word that he's selling these books. From what I have seen, the artwork seem to be a mixture of everything from pencil sketches to inked color drawings. Some with Disney motives. If anyone should be interested in buying these books -- or happen to know anyone who collect original artwork by Jippes -- please contact Coen Meeder at . Trust me, you would not have received this message if I had a cubic acre or two to spare...:-) Thanks for your time... /Per-Erik From frilans.bamse at egmont.se Wed Mar 29 15:10:53 2000 From: frilans.bamse at egmont.se (Frilans Bamse SE - HMJ) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:10:53 +0200 Subject: Gottfredson. Message-ID: <91E2BD72AB8BD3119FFB00508B55F07E15241F@MMAHMJD1-XCH01> Oh, it's so quiet on this list... So I might as well ask you all a question. (Or two...) Does anybody of you know if there are some alternate Gottfredsons strips around? F.ex. the uncensored version of the final strip of the 'Lectro Box? or such stuff. Copies of un-inked Gottfredson strips in hands of any collecctor? Or what happened to the artwork that Gottfredson had in his home when he died. Was this bought by any collector or is his sketchbooks etc. still in the hands of his family? Myself and a friend bought some proofsheets etc. once owned by Bill Wright from someone who bought them from someone who bought them when Wrights widow died. Has any of you stumbled upon something similar, that once belonged to a well known Disney artist/writer? I would also like to know if there are any unpublished pages by the other good american Disney artists that were active between the 30's to the 60's around? (I'm thinking of Murry, Turner, Strobl, Moores, Gonzales etc.) Since lots of unpublished Barks has turned up I guess that some art by other artists also still is unpublished... I'm sure that some of you knows about a rarity or two and I also hope that you want to share your knowledge with the rest of us. /Joakim Gunnarsson. From pekka.malmstrom at uppsala.mail.telia.com Wed Mar 29 17:06:20 2000 From: pekka.malmstrom at uppsala.mail.telia.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Per-Erik_Malmstr=F6m?=) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:06:20 +0200 Subject: Gottfredson. Message-ID: <200003291506.RAA03687@d1o913.telia.com> Hi again, folks! JOAKIM: > [...] unpublished Barks [...] A great subject! Someone here who knows what was auctioned out on the Howard Lowery auction of November 20th? I heard that a few of the lots were original art by Barks, but back in November I was to lazy to send for the catalogue and now in March I'm to greedy. Is it worth the effort? > F.ex. the uncensored version of the final strip of the 'Lectro Box? > or such stuff. There is an unpublished cover for that story available on the web, but the man behind the pen is not named Floyd. Check out if interested! /Per-Erik From Germund.Silvegren at mbfys.lu.se Thu Mar 30 20:16:35 2000 From: Germund.Silvegren at mbfys.lu.se (Germund Silvegren) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 20:16:35 +0200 Subject: Gottfredson portfolio Message-ID: <200003301807.UAA04371@hera.net.lu.se> If anybody's interested, I have four volumes of the Floyd Gottfredson portfolio reprinting the daily Mickey Mouse strips 1930-1955 for sale on eBay. The volumes cover years 1935, 37, 39 and 1953 and contain some material not available anywhere else in English (except the original newspapers o.c.). Do a quick serch for "floyd gottfredson" or seller "germund". There are images too if anybody wishes to see what they look like. /germund From reimersholme at hotmail.com Thu Mar 30 20:53:56 2000 From: reimersholme at hotmail.com (Stefan Persson) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 20:53:56 CEST Subject: Gottfredson portfolio Message-ID: <20000330185356.95928.qmail@hotmail.com> >From: Germund Silvegren >Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 20:16:35 +0200 >If anybody's interested, I have four volumes of the Floyd Gottfredson >portfolio reprinting the daily Mickey Mouse strips 1930-1955 for sale on >eBay. The volumes cover years 1935, 37, 39 and 1953 and contain some >material not available anywhere else in English (except the original >newspapers o.c.). Do a quick serch for "floyd gottfredson" or seller >"germund". There are images too if anybody wishes to see what they look >like. Those books are really to recommend! I have seven of them, and they are great! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From fernandopventura at uol.com.br Thu Mar 30 23:54:05 2000 From: fernandopventura at uol.com.br (Fernando Ventura) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:54:05 -0300 Subject: Quack Pack Message-ID: <001d01bf9a92$78950cc0$fd76d3c8@fernando> Someone know something about comic books versions off the Disney's television series Quack Pack? I like this series, except the fact that all the cast are not dogs, ducks, pigs, the majority off then are Humans! And off course there aren't Uncle Scrooge, but we can see Donald and nephews adventures originated by then and not by Scrroge. And there are Ludwig VonDrake too, I think it is a very good universe to be explored by comics! ThankYou, Fernando Ventura! From dwolsko at nac.net Fri Mar 31 00:10:03 2000 From: dwolsko at nac.net (Darrin P. Wolsko) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 22:10:03 -0000 Subject: Boomp Ball Message-ID: <001401bf9a94$b3b23060$a6747bd1@net> Hi all... Perhaps you kind folks could help me out. My dad and I used to read an Uncle Scrooge Comic - I think it was a digest - with the story "Boomp Ball." I would very much like to find it and give it to him for father's day. I was wondering if you know the issue, and would be able to sell it to me, or be able to provide me with information as to whereI could obtain a copy. I'm not entirely positive it was Uncle Scrooge - It could have been just a scrooge story in another digest. Thank you very much. Darrin P. Wolsko -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20000331/db7b931c/attachment.html From DGE at ECN.egmont.com Fri Mar 31 09:13:03 2000 From: DGE at ECN.egmont.com (Gerstein, David DK - ECN) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:13:03 +0200 Subject: Boomp Ball Message-ID: <716EC96EB1D2D011BE3200805FC1974381D8B4@CPHEGTD1-XCH02> DARRIN: >My dad and I used to read an Uncle Scrooge Comic - I think it was a digest - with the story "Boomp >Ball." I would very much like to find it and give it to him for father's day. I was wondering if you know >the issue *Maybe* the story is Carl Barks' "The Cube" - a story where Gyro Gearloose has invented a new sport called "Cube". In the sport, you use your body (and a wooden peg) to bop this soft, plastic cube to the opponent. As I recall, this made a sound like "boomp". Could it possibly be the story you're looking for? In that case, though, the issue is a regular comic, not a digest: WDC&S 518 (1987). Who knows? On a related note... PER: I'd like to search the Inducks for the word "boomp," but the Inducks word searches don't seem to work from the dcml pages anymore. I suspect it has something to do with the long period of time when the server wasn't working. I hope no data has been lost. David Gerstein From hans.kiesl at sowi.uni-bamberg.de Fri Mar 31 16:27:18 2000 From: hans.kiesl at sowi.uni-bamberg.de (Hans Kiesl) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 16:27:18 GMT+0200 Subject: Jyrki: Erlangen Salon In-Reply-To: <200003310306.FAA25382@stp.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <990290D8D@urz01.urz.uni-bamberg.de> Jyrki: > Can any of the list members help me to find information on the Erlangen > Comics Festival? Will there be one this year? Do they have a web site? Yes, the Erlangen "Comic Salon" will be in June, 22-25 (Thursday till Sunday). The web site is located at http://www.kubiss.de/kultur/info/erlangen/comicsa/comic99/main.html , but there is not much information there yet. This is sort of a home town convention for me, since I've studied in Erlangen and still do not live far away today. Unfortunately I won't attend the Salon this year, as I'm (fortunately) going to hear the New York Philharmonics in Prague this weekend in June. But if you have further questions concerning Erlangen's "Comic Salon" or Erlangen's pubs, I will try to come up with the relevant facts ;-) -Hans- From Caroline2000 at ctee.freeserve.co.uk Fri Mar 31 18:46:38 2000 From: Caroline2000 at ctee.freeserve.co.uk (Caroline Tee) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:46:38 +0100 Subject: Donald Duck Message-ID: <000a01bf9b30$d7fbc480$b133893e@pavilion> Hi There I wonder if someone can help us please. My daughter a school project and has been asked to find out Donald Ducks' middle name. If anyone is able to help, would you please email us ASAP. Thanking you Caro -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20000331/94837ae4/attachment.html From acsive at mail.mira.dk Fri Mar 31 18:58:18 2000 From: acsive at mail.mira.dk (Anders Christian Sivebaek) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 18:58:18 +0200 Subject: Donald as kid, fact-pages in latest issues Message-ID: <200003311734.TAA99707@mail.mira.dk> Hi friends Woiw is it nice to know that the list is up again! It's been hard this week with almsot no mails... I need my daily fix of DCML I tell you... So, I start here with hoping J?rgen takes care of the story rewievs and I'll tell you about the sometimes great, sometimes poor danish editorials. Let me point out that they are made, or at least destroyed by the danish publisher, meaning none of the nice people I know, such as David and Maya. There was anb editorial in issue 10 on cousin fethry, It seams he returned to Duckburg in a story written by David Gerstein:-) The editorial tells that he'll be back for good in Duckburg now! IN issue 12 they talk again about the "Wish I knew"-page on their internet-page... There are some fake questions from Magica, Emil Eagle and Flintheart. They ask about the Dime, Gyro's best invention (Helper), and what the first issue of the then-monthly is worth. There was a new Computerclub story in that issue. The frame style of this, the Donald gets rich-story and the one I mention next reminds me of the italian style they use in Paperinik... Which is not necessarily bad, it's just not what I call the normal style, and it could make some parents stop buying the weekly for junior... They might not know that Barks at times has used panel-style even more wild. Then a question is: how do they make the pages, in whole? Barks made halfpages, and other artists does too I think, but this has to be made one by one... On our backcover or the inside of the backcover the weekly usually tells about next weeks weekly. This issue 12 told about the april-fools story, shows the cover, the gift (a beetle), the prize you can win in a contest. and it tells about two other stories. A Barks-10-pager, that we have only seen two times before, and a new series with Donald as a *kid*! Comments on the Barks-issue: 3rd time is the lucky time they say, so it might be fine that they print it 3 times... but please not more than that. We all know that the Fireman-story in issue 1-1949 has been reprinted (1968, 1979, 1982, 1984, 1994 an tvice in 1999) 7 times as a comic and as a children's book two times (different series, different stories). That's the record I think, but some stories may beat it sometime... with a Barks Library coming in Denmark sometime (according to a fanzine who interviewed the responsible publisher) we'll see all the stories at least once more... The Donald as a kid-issue: Many times Don Rosa has been asked to make a story about his life and times, and said no, as Donald is not so interesting as Scrooge is, in Don's opinion. Egmont might not object to that, but they are publishing some Donald as lad-stories now. I feared it when I saw the ad for it on issue 12, a series where Donald is just a kid throwing tantrums instead of a grown-up... (I put it on the peak here... I know Donald is calm in many stories!) Well the story in issue 13 is quite nice, though it has this same style that the Computer-stories has. Not the same colouring though. It seems they color the Computerstories with a good programe where the colours change in the room between the lines. I'll let you read the sotry yourself, about Donald in school, but I have to comment on the lovely fact-page. Two drawings from Lo$ (Rosa) one from the second JW-story (Barks), and a picture of the new-cracked Donald(Rota). In the texct they also tell about some TV-programe called This is your life Donald Duck (any connection to the Strobl-series?). No references, surprisingly! It also tells that the Marco Rota story of Donald's life will be in issue 16, the big easter-issue. I yell hooray, even if I do have both the album and the norwegian publication of the story from 1998. If anyone finds these rewieva boring please tell, and I'll think about stopping:-) AC A. C. Sivebaek acsive at mail.mira.dk From mvhaas at elpaso.net Thu Mar 30 05:40:00 2000 From: mvhaas at elpaso.net (Merlin Haas) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 21:40:00 +4200 Subject: Review of "El Dorado" mentions Barks References: <200003201100.MAA05364@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <38E56F8A.222B@elpaso.net> The movie reviewer of the Chicago Tribune on March 31 writes that the new Dreamworks animated movie "The Road to El Dorado" compares favorably to the classic Carl Barks Uncle Scrooge stories of the '50s. The man is obviously a Barks fan. With luck you can find the whole review at: http://www.moviequest.com/custom/components/metromix/contentarticle/0,1988,1933,00.html (note that the address goes all the way to the end of "html" If only part is highlighed in this post, you'll need to cut and paste the whole thing in your browser) best -- Merlin Haas