From favio31 at caramail.com Sun Jul 1 01:26:51 2001 From: favio31 at caramail.com (Thierry Fernand) Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 01:26:51 GMT+1 Subject: New stores online Message-ID: <993943611009091@caramail.com> Barks story from WDCS 43 Fit to Be Pied (AR 108) Metaphorically Spanking (AR 119) The Pied Piper of Duckburg (H 89174) The Treasure of the Ten Avatars (D 95153) http://www.angelfire.com/comics/donrosa/countdown.html & http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/duckcomicsofbarksandrosa (photo section) ______________________________________________________ Bo?te aux lettres - Caramail - http://www.caramail.com From bolcano at tin.it Sun Jul 1 11:31:27 2001 From: bolcano at tin.it (Armando Botto) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 11:31:27 +0200 Subject: Iliad Message-ID: <00c001c10210$9db67fc0$356dd8d4@ccse0315> Petri: >> "Paperiade", written by Guido Martina and drawn by Luciano Bottaro, first appeared in "Topolino" #202-204 (1959). > Great you reminded me about this story. I've ment to ask a question about it. At page 53 when Daisy comes to visit the island, she seems to be redrawn by Perego. That is at least in the Finnish version. I've made a scan of the page at: http://www.hut.fi/~pkannine/iines.jpg (207 kb) Is it same in every country? Very likely so: the art is exactly the same as in the original edition of the story. Before looking at the scan, I thought this to be one more instance of Perego drawing a panel or two in order to "connect" the different parts of the story for a "Classici di Walt Disney" reprint (the story was originally published in "Topolino" as a 3-parter, with title and splash page for every part). However, page 53 was in the middle of the second part, therefore that's not the case. Furthermore, at a closer look, you'll see that Daisy seems to be drawn by Taliaferro, rather than Perego. My theory is that Bottaro (or, more likely, one of his assistants) copied Daisy from a Taliaferro model sheet, maybe because he was in a hurry to meet his deadline for delivering the story. This "heavy" usage of model sheets is very well documented at Marco Barlotti's page: http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/Fumetti/Cloni. (BTW, you can indeed find some Perego art in "Paperiade": the Goofy at page 32 is unmistekeably Perego's. I cannot check on the original "Topolino" #202, but I could bet that the original pages 29-30-31 of the story have been heavily edited and remounted to form pages 29-30-31-32 of the "Classici" reprint.) Kriton: > Well, the story relies on Scrooge tricking Donald into believing that the Beagles had kidnapped Daisy rather than having stolen his checker-board. In Greek, the word "ntama" (pronounced "dama") can mean either the game of checkers, the queen of hearts, or a dance partner. This is *very* weak word-play, but it was probably the best the translator could do. I wonder what was in the original script, and whether the word-play is much better in Italian. The original script is identical. Maybe the word-play works better, as the Italian word "dama" can indicate also the checker-board, and a generic "lady" (not only a dance partner). Ciao, Armando From pkanninen at hotmail.com Mon Jul 2 15:30:18 2001 From: pkanninen at hotmail.com (Petri Kanninen) Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 16:30:18 +0300 Subject: Bottaro and model sheets Message-ID: I asked about Paperiade (TL 202): >>it. At page 53 when Daisy comes to visit the island, she seems to be >> >>redrawn by Perego. That is at least in the Finnish version. I've [...] >>Is it same in every country? and Armando replied: >Very likely so: the art is exactly the same as in the original >edition of >the story. [...] >Furthermore, at a closer look, you'll see that Daisy seems to be >drawn by >Taliaferro, rather than Perego. >My theory is that Bottaro (or, more likely, one of his assistants) >copied >Daisy from a Taliaferro model sheet, maybe because he was in a >hurry to >meet his deadline for delivering the story. So, it IS Taliaferro. When I looked at the page, I thought "Oh my, that Daisy isn't right. It must be redrawn by Perego, who else could it be. Hmmm, it seems that Perego had a good day, the art looks a lot like Taliaferro's. But what would Taliaferro be doing in an Italian story? No, Perego it is." But it still sounds funny that he drew only one character on few panels like that and in the middle of the story. It wouldn't save much time. Perhaps he couldn't draw Daisy well at that time. >This "heavy" usage of model sheets is very well documented at Marco > >Barlotti's page: >http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/Fumetti/Cloni/ Too bad it's in Italian. But the pictures told me enough. No wonder I have always liked Bottaro's style. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From cnotw at zen.it Mon Jul 2 17:35:24 2001 From: cnotw at zen.it (Luca Boschi) Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 16:35:24 +0100 Subject: R: Bottaro and model sheets Message-ID: <3B3A1872000F7CFA@smtp2.libero.it> (added by postmaster@iol.it) Hi, all! Mario Gentilini, former "Editor in chief" of Topolino, asked his artists to follow Taliaferro's model sheets, and gave some copies of 'em to Bottaro, Carpi, Chierchini, Perego... But Bottaro didn't like that "old" style. He couldn't even think about a Scrooge drawn by Taliaferro (indeed, Taliaferro never had drawn Scrooge in the 5Os, yet). This is the reason of the strange "mix" of models. Bottaro's "second" style comes from Barks directly. But Barks' Daisy was peculiar too much. Gentilini couldn't stand her. So... Luca From tbin at libero.it Mon Jul 2 18:43:06 2001 From: tbin at libero.it (Antonio Maschio) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 18:43:06 +0200 (CEST) Subject: About Paperinik birth In-Reply-To: <200107011002.MAA27568@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: Hi everybody (and you, Sprea, if you want to answer me back in italian...) I'd want to know if any of you can tell me where lie the story of Paperinik birth, I mean, the ones from the Fantomius saga, which I read in a "Classico di Walt Disney" during the Seventies, I don't remember where (I'd like to buy it, and If I found it in some place...); I only remember it was an issue of a friend of mine which now is out of view. By the way: Happy birthday, Don, I know about it only now. Excuse me for the delay. Thanx -- Antonio Maschio From Willot.Francois at ec-lille.fr Mon Jul 2 18:41:32 2001 From: Willot.Francois at ec-lille.fr (Francois Willot) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 18:41:32 +0200 Subject: Illiade Message-ID: <2B516F17D00DD311AF4700A0C9E1F7A620C311@panic.ec-lille.fr> Armando, quoting Petri K.: >>At page 53 when Daisy comes to visit the island, she seems to be >>redrawn by Perego. That is at least in the Finnish version. I've made a >>scan of the page at: http://www.hut.fi/~pkannine/iines.jpg (207 kb) >>Is it same in every country? >Very likely so: the art is exactly the same as in the original edition >of the story. Before looking at the scan, I thought this to be one more >instance of Perego drawing a panel or two in order to "connect" the >different parts of the story for a "Classici di Walt Disney" reprint >(the story was originally published in "Topolino" as a 3-parter, with >title and splash page for every part). >However, page 53 was in the middle of the second part, therefore that's >not the case. Furthermore, at a closer look, you'll see that Daisy seems >to be drawn by Taliaferro, rather than Perego. Yes, I'm confident that this is a Taliaferro Daisy Duck. >My theory is that Bottaro (or, more likely, one of his assistants) >copied Daisy from a Taliaferro model sheet >http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/Fumetti/Cloni A model sheet, or directly from a strip. Speaking of re-used panels, I recently saw that Bottaro also used once again the same Barks drawing in I TL 375-A (Zio Paperone e la costosa eredit?), from the Barks ten-pager in WDC 214 (Paperino floricultore). Maybe Marco Barlotti can add this in his list of re-used Bottaro drawings. To Archontis and other fans of Italian stories: "La costos? eredit?" is one of the best short story by Bottaro. If you haven't read it, that's a story one could not miss. In the same appeal and by the same author, is "Paperino e il duello alla pistola" (I TL 279-A). **** SPOILER **** In the above story, a gang of crooks conduct a hold-up in a bank, and give the money to the same bank, opening an account. I recently read that something similar happened in Australia a few months ago. A person opened an account in a bank after robbing them. And I always though that Bottaro's story was great but impossible! Apparently we do try to find a reason for everything in comics while we don't in the reality, and accept things as they are... ***** END SPOILER **** Francois (http://www2.ec-lille.fr/willot/coa/c1/creator.php/0/LBo - new layout Many Barks panels are also shown in the page, see e.g.: http://www2.ec-lille.fr/willot/coa/c1/story.php/0/W+WDC++33-01 Images taken from Olivier's "Mice and Ducks" at http://ob7.free.fr/mouse_ducks/ ) From dve at kabelfoon.nl Mon Jul 2 22:22:19 2001 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 22:22:19 +0200 Subject: Barks items (010702) Message-ID: <20010702200811.569D27CB0@hirogen.kabelfoon.nl> Links to rare/original/unpublished Barks items. I don't have any connection with the sellers or the sites. If you've seen other rare/original/unpublished items, I hope you'll post them to the list as well. Information is taken from the sellers' descriptions, unless otherwise noted. ["DvE"] Items at Ebay (http://www.ebay.com): - - - - - - - COLOR COVER ART PatBlock CARL BARKS LastStory Item # 1159988370 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1159988370 Fantastic, fully inked and watercolored cover image intended for the Carl Barks/Pat Block/John Lustig collaborative effort "Somewhere In Nowhere". Inked by Walt Disney artist Pat Block from original pencils by Disney legend Carl Barks. In his final years, Mr. Barks was no longer able to ink, though the was still creating very nice pencil originals. For the cover to "SIN" Carl created this cute gag with happy sled dogs chasing Donald's cans of sardines. It is just a delightfully cute idea, and typical of Carl's creations. Intended for use as a Gladstone/Disney cover, this piece was not used in the Italian hardback because of format reasons on this ongoing series. I'm hoping to perhaps see this image used someday in a future American comic! In any case, this exceptional art measures 20" by 12" on a much larger Illustration board which was used by Pat Block as an advertisement to sell copies of the book at Comic Conventions this spring and summer. Total board size 30" tall...see my scans. Also included in this lot are copies of Carl's original pencils for this piece, and a copy of the wonderful, limited, numbered hardback book. 125 pages, signed by artist Pat Block with a drawing of Donald. This was Carl Bark's LAST Disney project. The book was not distributed in the USA, and the story was published in both English and Italian. Story concieved by Carl, scripted by John Lustig with art by Pat Block. Edited extensively by Carl Barks, the book is a must have item for any fan of the great Duck man. The inked original is a gem, and I have set a reasonable reserve on it. Good luck! I guarantee your happiness on this lot or your money back! - - - - - - - RARE Mini-Comics Barks Scrooge Disney Warner Item # 1162356468 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1162356468 Seven RARE Western Publishing Mini-comics 6 1/2 x 3 inch mini-comics, 16 pages, very good shape! Sold as set Walt Disney Uncle Scrooge #1 featuring 1957 Carl Barks Artwork! Walt Disney Donald Duck #1 from 1958 Warner Bros Daffy Duck #1 1960 Warner Bros Tweety and Sylverster #1 DePatie-Freleng The Pink Panther and The Inspector #1 Grimm's Ghost Stories #1 Ripley's Believe It or Not! True Ghost Stories #1 Great old fashioned stories and art! I'm not sure when these were actually published, as the Scrooge copyright date is1957/65, Donald Duck is 1958/73, Tweety is 1960/61, Daffy Duck is 1972/73, Pink Panther is 1974/76, and the other two are 1974/77 Please address questions to Tim at Angafea at yahoo.com [The Uncle Scrooge comic contains Barks' US 19 money-snake cover. No idea if it's redrawn, because the images are rather small. DvE.] - - - - - - - - Daniel From martin_olsen at post.tele.dk Tue Jul 3 17:12:52 2001 From: martin_olsen at post.tele.dk (Martin Olsen) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:12:52 +0200 Subject: Sv: DCML digest, Vol 1 #595 - 6 msgs Message-ID: <005901c103d2$a2554fc0$d316f33e@amitech> Luca wrote: >Mario Gentilini, former "Editor in chief" of Topolino, asked his artists to >follow Taliaferro's model sheets, and gave some copies of 'em to Bottaro, >Carpi, Chierchini, Perego... But Bottaro didn't like that "old" style. He >couldn't even think about a Scrooge drawn by Taliaferro (indeed, Taliaferro >never had drawn Scrooge in the 5Os, yet). > Indeed Taliaferro *had* drawn Scrooge in the 50es. Scrooge appeared in a two-week sequence of the daily newspaper strip in February 1951 and also in one or two Sunday pages from that year. Martin. From bi442 at lafn.org Tue Jul 3 18:23:04 2001 From: bi442 at lafn.org (Rob Klein) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 09:23:04 -0700 Subject: Taliaferro's Daisy Message-ID: <200107031619.f63GJ4S87422@zoon.lafn.org> Regarding Bottaro's assistant or Perego's copying or tracing Taliaferro's Daisy. Upon viewing the Finnish printing, it seems evident to me that the Italian artist either copied (faithfully) or traced 2 of the 3 Daisy figures. The side/rear view of head and upper body in her second panel was his own. The first picture has the upper 2/3 of Daisy as copied or traced, and the bottom of her torso, legs and feet added as new art. The ruffles (ruffled feathers) where her legs attach to the body are too numerous and too regular to be Taliaferro's. The inking stroke style is different. Her legs and feet move too drastically to be correct for her rather still upper body. In the third drawing, Daisy swings (or HAS SWUNG) an umbrella striking Donald. Yet, the pose copied from Taliaferro is not correct for such action. It does not look AT ALL as if Daisy has really swung the umbrella at Donald. Her upper body is very still. The placement of action speed lines as trails for where the umbrella was supposed to have gone, does NOT "fool" the reader into believing such action has taken place. It appears that the artist did not feel confident to draw Daisy in an acceptable style, and did not have an ample stock of Taliaferro poses to find an adequate pose to fit his action needs. He could have used pictures of Daisy as a model (to learn how she is built and how her body looks when in motion). But then, he should have moved the body parts to match the required motion. It must, indeed have been under circumstances that required a very quick fix. I cannot believe an editor would have allowed such art under normal deadline circumstances. I suspect that it might have been an editing change, perfomed quickly just before printing deadline. Any other ideas? Rob Klein From harryklein at hotmail.com Tue Jul 3 18:22:05 2001 From: harryklein at hotmail.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 18:22:05 +0200 Subject: Bhutt Rhetler from Voss, Hordaland Message-ID: Hi! One question suddenly occured in my mind; The "square eggs"-story (Lost in Andes) became famous in Norway because of it's translation. Bhutt Rhetler was turned into Tron Dreyerdahl from Voss. Tron Dreyerdahl is a word-play on Thor Heyerdahl, the most famous Norwegian explorer ever. He came from Voss, which is an actual place in Norway. The square people was talking a mix of vossamål (the dialect of Voss) and nynorsk (one of the two official languages in Norway, only that because of it's origin it is marked to be a "farmer"-language, the language of the countryside... the biggest newspapers in Norway actually forbids their journalists to use nynorsk, and the weekly, Donald Duck & Co, is not printed on nynorsk, but on the other language, bokmål). And he had learned the square people to sing "På Vossevangen der vil eg bu" (I guess you can say that it's the unofficial national anthem of Voss, but it's not even close to as popular in Norway as "Dixie" is in USA). The question comes to mind; what did translators in other lands do? I'm just curious! -olaf- harryklein at hotmail.com - http://home.no.net/treaa/ - _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From harryklein at hotmail.com Tue Jul 3 18:27:44 2001 From: harryklein at hotmail.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 18:27:44 +0200 Subject: Magica's raven Message-ID: Hi! The weekly (in Norway) has a series of articles which present the criminals of Duckburg. This week they presented Magica De Spell. Here it is mentioned that Magica has a raven which she uses as a spy. It also stands that the raven originally was her brother, but he was bewitched (if that is the right word, you all know my translation trouble) by a mistake! This made me curious! Does any of you know in which story that happened? I would really love to read it! I'm also interested in who wrote it. -olaf- harryklein at hotmail.com - http://home.no.net/treaa/ - _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From H.W.Fluks at kpn.com Wed Jul 4 14:25:11 2001 From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com (Fluks, H.W.) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 13:25:11 +0100 Subject: Bhutt Rhetler from Voss, Hordaland Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522044BF9BE@l04.research.kpn.com> Olaf: > The "square eggs"-story (Lost in Andes) > The question comes to mind; what did translators in other > lands do? In the Netherlands, the story was first printed as late as 1974. The professor was called Netelmans (just a funny name). The song is "Waar de blanke top der duinen". This used to be the national anthem before 1934 (when they changed it to "Wilhelmus"). No references to backwards country-side or anything like that. (For the Dutch, the fact that an isolated civilisation uses *Dutch* is already strange enough!) --Harry. (From a country with 4 official languages) From donrosa at iglou.com Wed Jul 4 16:35:56 2001 From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 10:35:56 -0400 Subject: I return, a half-century old! References: <200107041003.MAA00618@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <02e501c10496$a6add460$2aecffcc@default> SORRY that so many nice folks were wishing me a happy birthday here on the ML with me seeming to ignore it all! I was away on a 50th Birthday Trip! Just got home last night! And there were several hundred e-mail birthday greetings waiting for me. I had to resort to sending a "form letter" to all the nice folks who sent my happy-birthdays, and I guess I might as well post it on the ML as well. It is below. But anyway, I'm back now and won't ignore any further messages or questions for at least a week... then I'll be gone again, this time to a comic convention in Luxembourg, and immediately thereafter to San Diego. ----------------------------- Hello!!! In the 15 years I've been doing this Duckwork and communicating with so many Duckfans, I have never stooped to sending a "form message" out. Even now, when I get 30-40 e-mails each day, I still send a personal reply to each and every one of them, though that takes 2 or 3 hours of my spare time each day. But I think the Duckfans deserve it. Now I am returning from a camping trip -- I'm actually not even home yet... I downloaded my e-mail last night at a motel and I'm reading it and writing this on my laptop while riding in a car back to Louisville... and it's *very* hard to hit the right keys on a bouncing, moving keyboard! I must back up and retype virtually every other word! But this IS a form message! SORRY!!! When I downloaded my mail last night there were several hundred "Happy 50th Birthday" messages from all over Europe! Some were very short messages from friends I'd never heard from before, and many were longer messages from very *good* friends -- but you're all getting the same form-reply. My next messages to you "regulars" will be in the normal "longer mode"... hope you'll forgive me this time! I am obviously VERY flattered and gratified by the many greetings I am receiving from so far away, and I never want to forget it's the same Barks Ducks that I grew up with who are *still* bringing me happiness so many years later! I owe it all to them. Thanks!!! But I'm 50? That seems impossible for me to believe. I actually feel better and healthier (and certainly wiser!) than I did when I was 20. I really still feel the same as I did when I was 10. I don't know if other people feel older as they *get* older... but I know I don't. It surely has a lot to do with the fact I've made my life out of my hobbies and especially out of the favorite entertainment of my youth. And it surely doesn't hurt that I keep myself thin and active, physically and mentally. But that's the easier part -- it's not as hard as "old" people make it sound. Just a bit of mental discipline and anything is possible. I actually recently lost 22 pounds in time for my 50th as I had gained about 5 pounds on each of my last 4 trips to Europe where I get treated too well to resist the great food! Now the *impossible* part will be to be as healthy and sharp at 80 as Mr. Barks was at 98. Since this is a form message, I can take some extra time (since I'm saving so much!). Where did I spend my 50th birthday? Where have I been? We went on a 6 day canoe-camping trip into the Quentico Wilderness in Canada. This is a VAST wilderness area of tens of thousands of lakes containing nothing but that and moose and bears and wolves and fox and like that. And it is one of the most remote areas in North America because, even though it's not that far north, it is not accessible by anything but canoe... and even then by carrying the canoe and all your equipment across "portages" which are anywhere from a short hike to up to a half-mile or more. NO MOTORS are allowed in this wilderness, and planes are forbidden from flying below 4,000 ft. So we penetrated deep into this wilderness across many portages and lakes, and camped on some truly stunning rocky points and islands surrounded by magnificent scenery and bald eagles in the towering firs! By the way, as you may have already surmised, this is the same area that Barks' "Land of the Pygmy Indians" took place. And it is absolutely possible that there could be a "lost civilization" or a million other things on these land-masses between these lakes. I imagine that hundreds of years ago the Indians and French trappers swarmed across all of this land killing every single moose and beaver and fox they could find (that's why there are none left to see unless you're lucky), but now that access is only by canoe and the woods are so thick and there is no hunting allowed, there is now NO earthly reason for anyone to want to penetrate into these mosquito-infested woods beyond taking a short hike from the campsite on the shore to poop in the woods. So, as I found when we canoed the Everglades, there could actually be tribes of Peeweegah in the Quentico Wilderness who would easily stay out of sight, just as there could be Gneezles in the Everglades hiding in a remote mangrove lake. Another thing -- you've seen Barks' stories about the *mosquitoes* in Canada, as in his Yukon tales? They truly are that bad! It's always fun to have a campfire after dark and sit out and look at the stars or gaze at the lake and listen for wildlife. But where we were, at about 9:35 (when the last wisp of light had disappeared) you literally began to hear a whirring sound in the woods. The first night I thought it was a distant airplane. Then they come at about 9:45... it takes them that long to find you. We learned to be IN the tent by 9:30. When we were late, it would take about 20 minutes to hunt down the 10 or 20 mosquitoes that slipped into the tiny backpacker tent with you since they cover you head to toe. Then it's sorta fun to watch them crawling all over the tent trying in vain to get at you. But all night you hear their buzzing as if they were right by your ear. When untold BILLIONS of mosquitoes take wing from every bush and tree, there are so *many* that their combined tiny buzzings can be heard very distinctly. It's scary. It's also as bad sometimes when you port the canoe through a marshy area and you disturb their sleep and they want a snack. And during the day, the flies are also as bad. They will likewise cover you head to toe, dozens at a time, when you come to shore to port or camp. But they can be chased off by bug spray. The mosquitoes don't seem to notice the stuff when they come in such numbers. And on my 50th birthday I climbed the small mountain on the island I was camping on (to access a distant com-tower in Thunder Bay, Canada) and I made a cel-phone call to one Ray Foushee. He was the guy who started me into collecting comics (not reading them, I'd always done that) back in high school, and who introduced me to comic "fandom" about 1967. He is a lifelong pal... but why did I call him on that night? He was also born on June 29, 1951, in the *same* hospital maternity ward that I was. We are alike in many ways, but quite different in others -- he decided that where he wanted to spend his 50th birthday was in New York City, in the center of the thickest population and civilization, while I chose the absolute opposite idea. Anyway, that's where I was on June 29, 2001. I hope I can do that again on June 29, 2051. Anything is possible in a world where I can talk to someone in Times Square from the rocky summit of an island in a lake in the North Woods on a device no bigger than a deck of cards. Or in a world where some comic book characters make me so well-known that I get birthday greetings from around the world! Who knows what marvels the next 50 years holds? I can say that just the past 15 years as been pretty amazing to me! Thanks again for your birthday greetings!!!!! From H.W.Fluks at kpn.com Wed Jul 4 18:01:13 2001 From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com (Fluks, H.W.) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 17:01:13 +0100 Subject: Luxemburg Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522044BF9CA@l04.research.kpn.com> Don (or Georges or anyone else): > I'll > be gone again, this time to a comic convention in Luxembourg When exactly is that Luxemburg convention? --Harry. From tbin at libero.it Wed Jul 4 19:58:13 2001 From: tbin at libero.it (Antonio Maschio) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 19:58:13 +0200 (CEST) Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #596 - 4 msgs (To Olaf) In-Reply-To: <200107041003.MAA00668@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: Well, Olaf, in Italian the jargon was particular: no Italian speaks that way. It's a mixture of old Italian and some nonexistent words; some example (taken from the "Io Paperino" book): "Per Giova! Per Putifarre! Voi siete i pi? madornalmente buffi creaturi che io abbia mai mirato coi miei pupilli!" /Table 7, strip 14 Should be in true Italian: "Per Giove! Per Putifarre (though no one would say this)! Voi siete le pi? strane buffe creature che abbia mai visto coi miei occhi" (means By Jove! By Putifarre!!! You're the most strange creature I've ever seen!) Got the point? Another example (2 strips forward) "Fischiate i fischietta! Trombate i trombi! Chiamate il presidento! Radunate il parlamenta!..." Should be: "Suonate i fischietti! Suonate le trombe! Chiamate il presidente! Radunate il parlamento!..." (means Play your whistles, play your trumpets! Call the president! Gather the congress!...) The language is a corruption of the original, with strange and very enjoyable effects: they speak normally only when they sing in the southern dialect, the one recognized by Donald Duck and nephews. If it's not enough, write me: I can give you the whole translation of the story (if you're interested in Italian, of course!) Ciao -- Antonio Maschio From Ola.Martinsson at uab.ericsson.se Thu Jul 5 16:09:27 2001 From: Ola.Martinsson at uab.ericsson.se (Ola Martinsson) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 16:09:27 +0200 Subject: extra pages for Kalevala ? References: <200106281002.MAA07728@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <3B447517.9B8D067D@uab.ericsson.se> Hi Don ! About one and a half year ago you wrote this on this mail list. ************** Note: for those who care, that means that the German MICKY MAUS #1-2000 will have a different Kalevala cover that I drew just for that issue... I guess it won't appear anywhere else. Well... maybe it might be used when the Finns reprint the Kalevala story in their AKU ANKKA weekly next year... and, another note -- at that time I will *add pages* to the 33 page story to flesh out the parts that I unavoidably had to truncate to fit into that page-count. I estimate it will end up at just below 40 pages.) ************** Was this ever done ? I can't remember hearing about it since. Scroogy regards Ola in Sunny Stockholm +31 and warm~~ From Ola.Martinsson at uab.ericsson.se Fri Jul 6 16:50:42 2001 From: Ola.Martinsson at uab.ericsson.se (Ola Martinsson) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 16:50:42 +0200 Subject: was the b&w cartoon cels in colour ? References: <200106281002.MAA07728@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <3B45D042.1F3B265A@uab.ericsson.se> A silly question perhaps but when these early Disney cartoons were made, were the cels painted with colour to get the same look as a live movie would have or were they simply painted with different shades of grey ? Does anybody know ? Ola in still sunny Stockholm +30 and very warm to be here From skovro at get2net.dk Fri Jul 6 20:44:34 2001 From: skovro at get2net.dk (ODD BJARNE POULSEN) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 20:44:34 +0200 Subject: Things you don't see in Disney comics References: <3.0.6.32.20010621163659.008a34f0@mani.pop.sci.fi> Message-ID: <00fc01c1064d$d890c7e0$15d752c3@99a23> ----- Original Message ----- From: Ari Seppi To: Sent: 21. juni 2001 15:36 Subject: Re: Things you don't see in Disney comics > > As far as plain deaths are concerned, old Italian comics include a nice > collection of those. Hmmm... After having spent almost a week reading someone else's collection of Italian stories ("Jumbob?ger"), I must say I've changed my opinion on these artists. Even though I still don't concider the Italian/European duck-iverse the same as the American - I had fun. So I'd like to read some of those stories, could I get a titlte? May The ducks Be With You, 99E From SRoweCanoe at aol.com Fri Jul 6 23:31:29 2001 From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe@aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 17:31:29 EDT Subject: was the b&w cartoon cels in colour ? Message-ID: In a message dated 7/6/2001 5:09:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Ola.Martinsson at uab.ericsson.se writes: > A silly question perhaps but when these early Disney cartoons were made, > were the cels painted with colour to get the same look as a live movie > would have or were they simply painted with different shades of grey ? > Does anybody know ? > the black and white cartoons were made in black and white and interestingly enough, many of the movies and tv shows made in black and white used black and white clothing, so they would know what they looked like when filmed.... steven rowe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20010706/2367f9ba/attachment.html From Harry_McCracken at pcworld.com Sat Jul 7 06:37:35 2001 From: Harry_McCracken at pcworld.com (Harry McCracken/PCWORLD) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 00:37:35 -0400 Subject: was the b&w cartoon cels in colour ? Message-ID: >the black and white cartoons were made in black and white True of all Disney black-and-white cartoons and nearly all others, but there's one interesting exception: Ub Iwerks produced some of his 1930s black-and-white cartoons using color cels and backgrounds, because he thought that it resulted in a richer-looking film. -- harry From donrosa at iglou.com Sat Jul 7 13:12:46 2001 From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 07:12:46 -0400 Subject: DCML digest #597 References: <200107071002.MAA27155@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <001401c106d5$db9d3bc0$93eeffcc@CompaqCustomer> From: "Fluks, H.W." >>>When exactly is that Luxemburg convention? It's on Friday-Sunday, July 13-15... next weekend. Uh... perhaps it's only the 14th & 15th... but I'll be there doing promotional stuff on the 13th. The convention takes over the entire village of Contern outside Luxembourg City. From: Ola Martinsson >>>Hi Don ! About one and a half year ago you wrote this on this mail list. ************** when the Finns reprint the Kalevala story in their AKU ANKKA weekly next year... and, another note -- at that time I will *add pages* to the 33 page story to flesh out the parts that I unavoidably had to truncate to fit into that page-count. I estimate it will end up at just below 40 pages.) ************** Was this ever done ? I can't remember hearing about it since. NO! It was not! Sorry! And the story is *now* appearing in the Finnish weekly (previously it had only appeared in that expensive hardback there). I fully intended to add pages to that story once they told me that they were going to reprint the story in the weekly, but they put it on their schedule without telling me, and when I finally heard about it it was too late for additions. But I see I exaggerated or lost count when I said I would make the story just short of 40 pages in length... I would not have added more than 2 or 3 pages. The additions would have just been a few pages of slapstick hijinx while the Ducks searched for evidence of the "Misty Headland". As it is, they find it much too quickly even though it says it takes them "many weeks". By the way, in reading that last Digest, I noticed I misspelled the name of the wilderness area I canoed through -- it is Quetico (Provincial Park) Boundary Waters Wilderness... not "Quentico". From L00nE2n at aol.com Sat Jul 7 15:39:21 2001 From: L00nE2n at aol.com (L00nE2n@aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 09:39:21 EDT Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #597 - 9 msgs Message-ID: <84.185885d2.28786b09@aol.com> > But anyway, I'm back now and won't > ignore any further messages or questions for at least a week... then I'll > be gone again, this time to a comic convention in Luxembourg, and > immediately thereafter to San Diego. >> I'll >> be gone again, this time to a comic convention in Luxembourg > When exactly is that Luxemburg convention? And when is that San Diego convention? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20010707/38dd4493/attachment.html From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sat Jul 7 19:51:52 2001 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 19:51:52 +0200 Subject: Anders and "Sailing the Spanish Main" Message-ID: <20010707173733.6098E7CCB@hirogen.kabelfoon.nl> ANDERS CHRISTIAN SIVEBEAK, 16-06-2001: > [...] Sailing the Spanish Main - excuse me my perhaps utterly > strange wievpoint but so far I always thought like this when > I looked at that poster with the painting: Is there no story > where they experience that? As the painting shows too many ducks being cramped together on a small vehicle, maybe the story behind it could be that the little boat is a "floating version" of Donald's 313 car? :-) QUESTION: What does "Sailing the Spanish Main" mean? According to my dictionary it's a historical term for "the coast and sea from Panama to Amazone". What is the history behind this term and how is it used nowadays? Why did Barks use it as a title for this painting? Is there a joke or reference I should know to understand the paintings' title? BTW. I think that Procol Harum's 1970s song "Pandora's Box" also refers to the "Spanish Main". (If not, I possibly have a contribution to one of the sites that collect "misheard lyrics".) I don't know what the song is about, though. - Daniel From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sat Jul 7 23:41:30 2001 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 23:41:30 +0200 Subject: Three Caballeros in The Netherlands Message-ID: <20010707212712.9AAAE7CCB@hirogen.kabelfoon.nl> DON ROSA to FERNANDO VENTURA, 16-06-2001: > ["The Three Caballeros Rides Again"] Now we come to my real attitude > towards using the material from the comics: see, we in America have > never seen Jose Carioca or Panchito comic strips, none to speak of. > There were short running comics about them in American newspapers > back around the time the movie was out, to promote it. And there were > some unmemorable promotional appearances in the Dell comics (even > though one was by Walt Kelly, which I would not say was "inspired".... > it seemed a bit "uncomfortable"). But these newspaper comics and such > were long gone by the time I was even born, and they were never > reprinted for me to see later. If these newspaper strips were the Joe Carioca "solo" adventure series published in the Dutch weekly in about 1982, then I think these might be "the missing link" in understanding the Dutch Joe Carioca stories. As I remember these newspaper stories, Joe is somewhat living like a Gladstone Gander *without* his luck. I think that Joe, like Gladstone, tries to live as easy as possible, without working. But in the case of Carioca it only results in having a harder time than he already had. In other words: Joe would have had a much easier, richer life if he would try to get a job and give up acting like a prestigious gentleman. Joe brags to rich people to hide that he is a tramp. He brags to pretty, rich girls for the same reason, but also because he tries to get into a love affair with them. I can't remember exactly, but I believe these love affairs are also an attempt to get away from his tramp life. When he gets into trouble with his bragging, Joe tries to explain old lies by telling new lies. Sometimes he even manages to get more than one girl, which results in even more lies because of both girls getting suspicious about his behavior. So far my memory of these adventure series. Please note that this is just a brief description. I don't know how different these stories are from the Dutch stories, because I've never compared them. My thought is that the Dutch stories were heavily inspired on those adventure series, but maybe there are other Dutch people here who might know the answer? Before 1982, possibly somewhere between 1977 and 1981, the Dutch weekly reprinted a short Donald Duck story in which Joe Carioca and Panchito visited him. I think this could have been an American story, published by Western. Carioca and Panchito give Donald a hard time because they don't know much about city life. I remember a scene of a rugby(?) ball accidently breaking a window. As the police believes that Donald was the one who threw the ball, Donald ends up in jail. Carioca and Panchito (apparently still unaware of the mess they made) thank Donald for the good time and they promise him to visit him again one day. One of the reasons why I still remember this story is that Donald ends up in jail in the last panel. When Barks did that in "The Firebug" (OS 108), it was changed into a dream ending by the editors. As far as I know, there have been no (or at least very few) Dutch stories with both Panchito and Carioca in it. So, I doubt if this story has had an influence on the Dutch stories. The Dutch Panchito stories might be based on a series of one page gags published on the back of Dutch weeklies in about 1980. I believe these one pagers had a foreign origin. Maybe they came from America? Dutch stories mostly (always?) use Donald, Panchito and Carioca as "solo" characters. And if I'm right about that Caballeros jail story being a very rare instance of a Dutch publication with all three of them, then "The Three Caballeros Rides Again" might be the first Dutch publication of such a story in 20 years. But again: I hope that other Dutch members will correct any wrong guesses in this email. - Daniel From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sun Jul 8 07:02:40 2001 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 07:02:40 +0200 Subject: Barks items (010708) Message-ID: <20010708044823.49C567C09@hirogen.kabelfoon.nl> Links to rare/original/unpublished Barks items. I don't have any connection with the sellers or the sites. If you've seen other rare/original/unpublished items, I hope you'll post them to the list as well. Information is taken from the sellers' descriptions, unless otherwise noted. ("DvE") Items at Ebay (http://www.ebay.com): - - - - - - - Lot of Carl Barks Memorabilia Item # 1443653447 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1443653447 Did you know that Carl Barks lived in Grants Pass, Oregon? Most people who lived in his neighbordhood didn't know... He was 99 years old when he died in August, 2000. His wife, Margaret "Gare" Barks was also a very talented artist, she died on March 10, 1993. Their precious estate was auctioned to the public at their home in Grants Pass on June 30, 2001. We were present and acquired from the Barks Estate the following memorabilia which we now offer to the public: 5 Journals, with entries from Carl Barks & His Wife-Gare Barks, which contain Famous Contact Names, Addresses & Phone Numbers as well as Memos, Important Meetings w/Disney Associates, Misc. Personal Info. & Bark's Autographs. The Maestro's Signing Pen. Bark's Collection of 40 B/W Harper's Weekly Postcards, dating back to 1873 thru 1905. A Donald Duck Pen. 3 Drawing Pencils & a Triangle (initialed CB). Some Sketchpads & Notepads. A Handmade Duster Brush (for sweeping away excess pencil lead & erasure). An Exacto Knife in original container. 10' Big Chief Tape Measure, made by Carlson & Sullivan (old). A May 1953 Consumer Reports Issue Addressed To Carl Barks (there are some cartoon drawings in this issue). A Fall 1995 Juxtapoz Issue with an article mention featuring Carl Bark's oil painting & promotion of Donald Duck in "A Tall Ship and a Star To Steer Her By". A Notepad from the desk of Mr. Carl Barks. A 3-1/2" x 4-1/2" Miniature Oil Painting (signed JC). 12 Cards, 12 Envelopes-4"x5-1/4", one scene: Slowpoke, blank inside, Created by Gare Barks (her name signed on front & printed on back). 9 Cards, 9 Envelopes-4"x5-1/4", one scene: Dawn Mystique, blank inside, Created by Gare Barks (her name signed on front & printed on back). 5 Miscallaneous Cards-5"x7" Beautiful Creations by Gare Barks (her name signed on front & printed on back). 4 Funeral Notice Cards (In Memory of Gare). 25 Gratitude for Sympathy Cards. I am also sending along the Auction ad out of the newspaper & some Donald Duck, Uncle Scrooge & other Comic Books whose characters were created by Carl Barks. Obviously, there are many item that could not be shown in the photos for lack of space. [...] If you would like more photos or info, please E-MAIL ME [The address is "smitty at cybernetisp", DvE.] For photos & more info on what was sold at auction, please check out this site: http://www.estatesalesunlimited.com Auction Held by Robin Gordon Auctioneers - - - - - - - DONALD DUCK, No. 26, Trick or Treat, BARKS Item # 1164010100 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1164010100 [I mention this comic because the back cover with the halloween mask is shown. In this comic, the last tier of Barks "frightful face" gag was horizontally shortened to fit in an announcement referring to the mask on the back cover. That announcement seems to use Barks' gag as explanation of Donald's face being used as Halloween mask. DvE.] - - - - - - - Carl Barks Rare ORIGINAL Art Donald Duck Item # 1164161530 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1164161530 Carl Barks, legendary duck man of the Walt Disney Studios, has left behind relatively few examples of signed, original artwork. Those which have made it to market have been extremely high-priced, often setting records in sales figures. Here we have an absolutely beautiful rough drawing for one of Donald Duck's most well-known posters -- "Live It Up, Kid!" The drawing is done in three-color pencil, red and blue predominate with black used mostly for the letterring. Unlike many roughs which feature hurriedly-rendered characters set up for positioning only, it is easy to see that Carl Barks lavished attention on this rendering of Donald as it became a presentation piece. Purchased years ago from Bill Grandey and the Duckburg Gallery the inscription in Carl's hand reads "To Bill" and is over his highly legible signature. The signature itself is above the official Walt Disney Studio stamp guaranteeing the sketch's authenticity. The digital camera photos hardly do justice to this magnificent 12" X 16" image area. The drawing is protected by a clear overlay and is professionally matted as shown, ready to be placed into a frame and hung in your home or office. Payment may be made via money order, IRC or PayPal. We reserve the right to refuse any bidder. We will, in recognition of Carl's many worldwide fans, ship to international eBay'ers as well as US residents -- shipping and mandatory insurance will be an additional expense paid for by the bidder. Whether you intend this to be a family heirloom or an investment that will probably do better than most dotcom stocks -- here is a perhaps once-in-a-lifetime chance to own an affordable, signed, Carl Barks original drawing. ["Supersize Picture" link contains a larger, more detailed scan. DvE.] - - - - - - - - Daniel From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sun Jul 8 07:40:57 2001 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 07:40:57 +0200 Subject: Donald's 313 car Message-ID: <20010708052641.7A7437C44@hirogen.kabelfoon.nl> HALSTEN AALSTEBOL to me, 18-06-2001: >> When did Donald's car appear for the first time? > Wasn't that in an Al Taliaferro strip of the late 30s/early 40s? > When Donald's previous car broke down. For a while he used a > stubborn donkey for transport before shifting from donkey to 313. > Am I misremembering here? Francois Willot has informed me that the car debuted in the 1938, July 1 strip, and that the 313 number plate debuted in the 1940, March 22 strip. - Daniel From alexiov at libero.it Sun Jul 8 09:52:27 2001 From: alexiov at libero.it (Alessandro Iovino) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 09:52:27 +0200 Subject: question about I GSW Message-ID: <3B482D5B.9254.1BDE10@localhost> hi there is a question for italian indexers I've found a reprint of YM 014" Mickey mouse sails for treasury island" The story is reprinted on " Le Grandi Storie di Walt Disney", inducks code I GSW, and it is neither indexed nor listed amongst the "to be indexed" ones on Paolo Castagno's website. The editor claims that " Le Grandi Storie di Walt Disney" are printed on special paper in limited edition, and numbered My copy is numbered and issued on April 1989, cover price is 17500 italian lires, a note on the back says "seconda edizione, finita di stampare nel mese di Aprile 1989 dalla Microart's " My questions are: What issue does it belong to? Is that an unknown number of I GSW , or my copy is a special supplement to another issue? I must say that the cover looks a bit different from the "usual" lay-out of the I GSW first three copies I own. The price is only on the back, no specification is made on the front of the cover about the publisher. There is only a little rectangle in the middle of the front cover, with the inscription "Edizione integrale a colori". Any answer? Alessandro Iovino From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sun Jul 8 10:39:28 2001 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 10:39:28 +0200 Subject: Olaf Solstrand's site Message-ID: <20010708082511.3615F7CC1@hirogen.kabelfoon.nl> God dag Olaf, I just visited your site at "http://home.no.net/treaa/" and I feel very honoured by seeing your Norwegian translation of a brief Carl Barks biography I've written years ago, which can be found at: "http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/dcml/creators/carl-barks.html" On top of your translation at "http://home.no.net/treaa/barks.htm" I see a short note which I'm not able to read: Informasjonen p? denne siden er hovedsakelig hentet fra en artikkel av Dani?l van Eijmeren. Jeg kommer til ? skrive inn mer med tiden, blant annet vil jeg skrive litt om de beste historiene til Barks, hvor en naturligvis ikke kommer utenom "Eggemysteriet". Can you or someone else translate it for me? I made that biography in 1997 because there was (as far as I knew) no Barks biography available on internet. It was made in a hurry. I did not expect that people would still care for it four years later, so you may imagine my surprise that you even took an effort to *translate* it! BTW. You can find another Carl Barks biography, by Don Markstein, at "http://www.toonopedia.com/barks.htm". Farvel, --- D?niel (Could this be a Norwegian translation of my name?) :-) From eega at supereva.it Sun Jul 8 12:41:19 2001 From: eega at supereva.it (Eta Beta) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 12:41:19 +0200 Subject: Grandi Storie di W.D. Message-ID: <20010708103907.JJJF28969.fep43-svc.tin.it@[212.171.143.108]> Hello Alessandro, >I've found a reprint of YM 014" Mickey mouse sails for treasury island" > >The story is reprinted on " Le Grandi Storie di Walt Disney", inducks >code I GSW, and it is neither indexed nor listed amongst the "to be >indexed" ones on Paolo Castagno's website. That's another series... well it's a bit complicated, especially since they're practically identical... >My copy is numbered and issued on April 1989, cover price is 17500 >italian lires, a note on the back says "seconda edizione, finita di stampare >nel mese di Aprile 1989 dalla Microart's " That should be the "bookshop" series, running from 1983 to 1989, is there anywhere a "Revival Comics" logo ? This series is still not indexed, unfortunately. What we have in inducks right now, as GSW, is the "newsstand" series, running in 1987-88 for 19 issues plus two "extras", separately coded GSS. They could be easily identified by the lower price (lit. 4.900), and the central inscription bearing "Le Grandi Storie di Walt Disney". Ah, neither of the above is to be confused with "Le Grandi Storie" from 1967, those with the double covers... :-) Cheers Eta Beta From acsive at mail.mira.dk Sun Jul 8 13:04:58 2001 From: acsive at mail.mira.dk (Anders Christian Sivebaek) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 13:04:58 +0200 Subject: Holland and Kolding Message-ID: <200107081109.f68B9CG97265@mail.mira.dk> Dear friends I returned from a trip to Holland yesterday. I will be wanting to tell you much more about that, who I met and what I got, but I have to go on another trip in half an hour (to visit my danish friend Thomas who runs www.duckburg.dk). Whehn i return I will tell you more of my stay at Duco, and my meeting with Harry Fluks. I already send the film of my trip to development. Don, It was interesting to hear about your canoe trip! Yours A. C. Sivebaek acsive at mail.mira.dk From DGE at ECN.egmont.com Sun Jul 8 16:12:51 2001 From: DGE at ECN.egmont.com (DGE@ECN.egmont.com) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 16:12:51 +0200 Subject: Three Caballeros in The Netherlands Message-ID: <75E179836B98D411A2B500508BF3B1431C9E34@CPHEGTD1-XCH02> Hey Daniel! >If these newspaper strips were the Joe Carioca "solo" adventure series >published in the Dutch weekly in about 1982 They are. >Before 1982, possibly somewhere between 1977 and 1981, the Dutch weekly >reprinted a short Donald Duck story in which Joe Carioca and Panchito >visited him. [...] Donald ends up in jail [snip] This story is W WDC 50-06, drawn by Carl Buettner. It's a depressing story, IMHO, as Jose and Panchito are shown as noisy Hispanic country bumpkins who don't even seem to understand the modern (i. e. 1944 American) world. Heavily influenced by stereotype; not really the way I like to see Jose or Panchito... >The Dutch Panchito stories might be based on a series of one page gags >published on the back of Dutch weeklies in about 1980. I believe these >one pagers had a foreign origin. Maybe they came from America? They did. These are the Panchito Silly Symphony Sunday strips from mid-1940s. Pretty good strips they are, too, IMHO. David From bi442 at lafn.org Sun Jul 8 18:26:20 2001 From: bi442 at lafn.org (Rob Klein) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 09:26:20 -0700 Subject: Dutch Panchito strips Message-ID: <200107081622.f68GM8G48776@zoon.lafn.org> Hoi Daniel. The full-page Panchito strips that appeared on the back pages of Dutch Weekly Nr. 27-52 in 1980 were originally printed as Sunday newspaper strips in U.S.A. by King Features in 1944 and 1945. They must have been drawn by the Disney Studios Newspaper Comics Division under Gottfredson's behest. Perhaps one of our American Newspaper strip experts can tell us the artist and writers' names. I remember the story about Jose, Panchito and Donald and Donald ending in jail, but, unfortunately I am not with my comic books now and cannot look it up. I'm sure that Harry F. will be able to enlighten us (surely it must be listed in INDUCKS). You have a good grasp of the character of Jose Carioca that appeared in the short Dutch stories. This gigalo/ne'er-de-wel "fancy bum" character seems to be taken from his classical characteristics that the Brasilians gave him in their expansion of his character which was naturally needed when they began to produce large numbers of stories with him. Perhaps some of the editors at Oberon had seen some of the Brasilian stories in the late 1970s that inspired the renaissance of Jose C. (new Dutch production) in the Dutch Weekly, and the printing of the Panchito strips. Harry, can you help us on this question? Tot ziens, Rob Klein From cacou661 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 8 19:06:05 2001 From: cacou661 at yahoo.com (Francois Willot) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 10:06:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Donald's Grandma Duck Message-ID: <20010708170605.46624.qmail@web14308.mail.yahoo.com> The latest Picsou contains the story "Donald's Grandma Duck" from Vacation Parade #1. It is the first time in France this story is published. AFAIK, it was one of the few unreprinted Barks stories, with rarities like "Pluto Saves the Ship", "Donald Tells About Kites", some Daisy's diaries, and possibly "Water Ski Race". **** (some spoilers from now on) ****** "Donald's Grandma Duck" is based on a series of gags, many of them obviously taken from elsewhere. Page 1: the gag about Grandma's rocking chair is the same as in the 14 Nov. 1938 Donald daily strip. Page 6: gag taken from Grandma's first appearance (Donald daily strip from 27 Sep.1943). Page 10: ice-cream gag idea reused from the back cover gag of Four Color 238, drawn but not written by Barks. Page 14: "night rumors" gag idea taken from the Donald Duck daily strip 14/11/1938. *********** As it was mentioned on this mailing list, the gag idea for the 11 Sep. 1939 Donald daily strip was recently attributed to Barks because he reused it in a later One Shot gag. In the "Donald's Grandma Duck" case, the story was only drawn by Barks, so that does not apply here. And the story isn't very good IMO, being little more than a succession of gags, unlike Barks's scripts. But there is another daily gag from the same year as the "Jar Beans" that later appeared in a Barks story: the "Box Champion" Donald Duck daily gag from 11 Aug. 1939 is also used in the WDC 282 ten-pager (is it possible that Barks had anything to do with that daily strip gag? We'll probably never know). Also, tThe cover gag of WDC 144 is the same as the gag in the 13/9/1938 daily strip. But this cover idea was not by Barks, it was submited to Barks by his editors. Francois __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From bi442 at lafn.org Sun Jul 8 19:11:47 2001 From: bi442 at lafn.org (Rob Klein) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 10:11:47 -0700 Subject: Dutch Jose Carioca Message-ID: <200107081708.f68H8lG51215@zoon.lafn.org> Oops! I forgot to add this information regarding the Dutch Jose Carioca production: In the 1980s, Wilma van den Bosch did most of the story writing, along with much from Ruud Straatman. Jose Colomer Fonts "Colomer" did all the story final artwork. In the 1990s, Ruud Straatman continued writing, Wilma van den Bosch produced a few stories; but (our friend) Frank Jonker wrote the greater portion of them. Colomer drew most of them in the early to mid 1990s. Mau and Bas Heymans have also drawn several during the latter period. Covers using the "Brasilian characters" were drawn by Daan Jippes, and Michel Nadorp, while several Brasilian cover drawings were reprinted. Several short Brasilian stories were also reprinted. Harry-anything you can add? - (of ben je met vacantie?) Rob Klein From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sun Jul 8 21:07:50 2001 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 21:07:50 +0200 Subject: Caballeros and Firebugs Message-ID: <20010708185332.204CA7D24@hirogen.kabelfoon.nl> DAVID GERSTEIN to me, 08-07-2001: Hi David! >> Before 1982, possibly somewhere between 1977 and 1981, the Dutch >> weekly reprinted a short Donald Duck story in which Joe Carioca >> and Panchito visited him. [...] Donald ends up in jail [snip] > This story is W WDC 50-06, drawn by Carl Buettner. Of this issue, Barks' tenpager (about Donald's rare dime) was submitted on June 22, 1944. The issue's cover date is November 1944. The Caballeros story ends with Donald in jail. "The Firebug" (OS 108) was submitted on July 19, 1945 and published in 1946. It ended with Donald in jail, but it was changed into a dream ending by the editor. Barks has said that the new ending would have been done by one of the staff artists, either Carl Buettner(!) or Tom McKimson. If Barks' dime story of WDC 50 is more or less representable for the submission date of the Caballeros jail story, then I'm wondering if there could have been a change of policy at Western between June 1944 and July 1945. Have there been other stories with Disney characters ending up in jail around this time? (Before and after WDC 50?) I'm wondering if there could have been complaints from readers about the Caballeros jail ending, resulting in the removal of Barks' jail ending one year later. Or was Western's objection to Barks' story that Donald was put into jail by being *guilty* of burning down the courthouse? (In the Caballeros story, Donald is innocent.) > It's a depressing story, IMHO, as Jose and Panchito are shown as > noisy Hispanic country bumpkins who don't even seem to understand > the modern (i. e. 1944 American) world. Heavily influenced by > stereotype; not really the way I like to see Jose or Panchito... I read this story as a kid and I found Jose and Panchito very annoying, even more because the well-behaving Donald gets all the blame. Still, also because of the jail ending, I find this story very interesting. It was one of my first Disney stories and apparently those stories are always the best, no matter the quality. :-) Nowadays I also find this story very interesting *because* of the stereotypes, because it shows how such matters have been handled through the years. I remember that you once mentioned some 1940s Brer Rabbit stories in which the dialect was removed before publication, something which (as you pointed out here on 9 July 1997) also happened with Barks' "Lost in the Andes" (OS 223). This story was submitted on October 21, 1948, and published in (April) 1949. Could Western's policy on stereotypes have been a matter of "try and error" in (at least) the 1940s? Could the Caballeros story of WDC 50 have been a case of going way too far, even at that time? BTW. As far as I know, the Caballeros were created to built a market for Disney in South-America. So, I guess that this story must have got at least some attention because of it's stereotypical treatment of Jose and Panchito. Or is the Caballeros movie itself also stereotypical in a similar way? Is there a difference in Western's handling of stereotypes and jails before and after the publication of the Caballeros jail story? For example, if Barks would have submitted "The Firebug" as story for WDC 49, would it have been accepted without any problems? Or was it Donald being guilty of burning down the courthouse enough reason for Western's objection, without thinking of the Caballeros story? >> The Dutch Panchito stories might be based on a series of one page gags >> published on the back of Dutch weeklies in about 1980. I believe these >> one pagers had a foreign origin. Maybe they came from America? > They did. These are the Panchito Silly Symphony Sunday strips from > mid-1940s. Pretty good strips they are, too, IMHO. Last year, a Panchito two-pager (H 20047) written by Frank Jonker was published in Dutch weekly 2000-26. It's about people getting insane by their attempts to decipher a mysterious message in a cave. I found this story very funny. If you have access to it, I recommend you to read it. - Daniel From cnotw at zen.it Sun Jul 8 20:20:55 2001 From: cnotw at zen.it (Luca Boschi) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 19:20:55 +0100 Subject: Hazel the Witch Message-ID: <3B3A1872002472CD@smtp2.libero.it> (added by postmaster@iol.it) Hi, all! Maybe someone can help me to find the story code of a story or some more credits about it... Well, looking for it in the TONY STROBL Index, it was not even mentioned... If I don'n goof! It is in WDC # 191, and it's not included... I quote the Index and, appearently, seems tha TS did no stories... W WDC 290-01 10 TS DD T:The Railroad Tycoon [app:US] W WDC 292-?3 1 TS HDL T:Choretime But thar story Exists! It is: "The Witch and Beelzebub, the Broom - Halloween Haunting", pages 5, it is the FIRST story introducing Hazel again (with her name changed, maybe because another Witch Hazel still existed, in the ACG comics, and one more even in the Harveys... Or maybe because Hazel was the name of Walt Disney nurse in the same period... I don't know... Maybe someone can help me to discover why her name was chenged. Well, thank you! Luca From harryklein at hotmail.com Sun Jul 8 21:06:14 2001 From: harryklein at hotmail.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 21:06:14 +0200 Subject: Olaf Solstrand's site Message-ID: Daniel wrote: >On top of your translation at "http://home.no.net/treaa/barks.htm" >I see a short note which I'm not able to read: > > Informasjonen på denne siden er hovedsakelig hentet fra en artikkel > av Daniël van Eijmeren. Jeg kommer til å skrive inn mer med tiden, > blant annet vil jeg skrive litt om de beste historiene til Barks, > hvor en naturligvis ikke kommer utenom "Eggemysteriet". > >Can you or someone else translate it for me? > Here comes the translation: "The information on this page is mainly gathered from an article by Daniël van Eijmeren. In the future I will add more, among other things I will write a little bit about Barks' best stories, where I of course will mention 'Lost in Andes'." I mention "Lost in Andes" because that story is probably the most famous Donald story, or maybe the most famous comic ever, in Norway through history. >BTW. You can find another Carl Barks biography, by Don Markstein, at >"http://www.toonopedia.com/barks.htm". Thanks! I will check it out. The reason I used your biography was that I needed a Carl Barks biography FAST for my homepage, and since I both knew that your article was very good and knew where to find it (and actually even had downloaded into my own computer at the time I was working on it). I hope you don't mind me using your stuff this way! (you have all rights to sue me, actually) -olaf- ( http://home.no.net/treaa/ ) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From kfitz at halcyon.com Sun Jul 8 20:57:28 2001 From: kfitz at halcyon.com (Kathy Fitzpatrick) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 11:57:28 -0700 Subject: Barks paintings References: <003001c0f2a8$4c5d8a00$8d0210ac@u16z6> Message-ID: <010201c107e1$3bf91460$d72efea9@kfitz> To Steve Rowe: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And the best way to look at art. It is possible to love a story but not be as enthralled by the same person's artwork. I would love to be able to justify purchasing lithographs of Carl Bark's paintings rather than something else I need more. I love his use of light to add dimension. It gives the paintings a warm feeling. However, Don has his own art style and he has his own unique tastes of what he likes. Since love of Duck stories unites us all and is the main reason most of us are on this website we should be able to discuss the reasons we like the ducks or certain stories without considering every aspect of Duckburg or someone's art or someone's story as sacred. Everyone on this list has something to offer and valid opinions. We are also love words and use of words, clever turns of phrases such as those used by Carl Barks. Because of our love of words and the many languages that are our own it is good to be extra careful when reading someone's opinion not to attribute more to someone's statement than was indicated. For example if I stated I like all of the art by Carl Barks more than any other artist is does not mean I do not like art by other artist. I love art by other artists, too many to even list. If Don Rosa starts doing paintings I would want to purchase them just as much as I would want to purchase Carl Barks paintings. We all have a tendency to be loyal to one or more artists and often discuss the reasons why. Those reasons are why this list exists. Sometimes when something someone has written on this list has bothered me I wait and see what the following discussion is. Often I find I read something into a statement that was not intended it. One of the many reasons I do not post often is that if I wait a while someone who knows more or has more information will respond, but another reason is to see what develops from discussion. However I often subscribe to the theory that a closed mouth gathers no feet. I don't know if I recommend that for most people, but it does work well when discussions get heated. Best to all, Kathy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20010708/c547fbf9/attachment.html From frspreaf at tin.it Sun Jul 8 21:16:07 2001 From: frspreaf at tin.it (Francesco Spreafico) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 21:16:07 +0200 Subject: Hazel the Witch References: <3B3A1872002472CD@smtp2.libero.it> (added by postmaster@iol.it) Message-ID: <029801c107e2$751e2e00$9b010f97@p7v7n9> From: "Luca Boschi" > Well, looking for it in the TONY STROBL Index, it was not even mentioned... > If I don'n goof! > It is in WDC # 191, and it's not included... I quote the Index and, > appearently, seems tha TS did no stories... It is, it is.. it's just that the inducks Database is not very user-friendly! ;-) W WDC 291-02 5 TS SSt HAZ T:Halloween Haunting [pubdate:1964-12] [xapp:HAZ,Witchis Witch(1st),Beelzebub]; In Brasil: (Hazel) A festa das bruxas (on: DE 2, DER 2, DSE 2, ZC 711); In Italy: Belzebu` scopa suggeritrice (on TL 510); In Holland; (Hazel) En haar toverbezem (on DD1974-41, DDAVVD 4, DDAVVD 13. > Maybe someone can help me to discover why her name was chenged. On this, I can't help :-) -- Sprea From kfitz at halcyon.com Sun Jul 8 21:40:24 2001 From: kfitz at halcyon.com (Kathy Fitzpatrick) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 12:40:24 -0700 Subject: Off-topic, Heinlein References: <4.2.0.58.20010620030357.00b98580@inbox.attcanada.ca> Message-ID: <019601c107e5$d616acc0$d72efea9@kfitz> I agree with all of the comments on Heinlein's stories. Basically he wrote for a younger audience originally and may have thought (the way things were in the 60's and early 70's) that he was still writing to a younger audience. That is why I like all of his early works since that is the level of entertainment I like (that for children at least children of yesterday). I can verify also that as in "Door in to Summer" that if it is raining when you open the door for a cat, or too cold, they will usually go to another door in your house to find out if the weather is better at that door. In a way it is logical, I once experience a near line between where it was raining in our yard, and where it was sunny, due to a small cloud the rain was coming from. -Kathy From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sun Jul 8 21:58:19 2001 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 21:58:19 +0200 Subject: Things you don't see in Disney comics Message-ID: <20010708194400.F15E57D14@hirogen.kabelfoon.nl> ARI SEPPI to ODD BJARNE, 21-06-2001: > In "King Scrooge the First" W US 71-01 (story by Barks) 4000-year-old > magician kills himself by taking antidote to immortality powder. What about animals being killed? These Barks stories are from memory: In the Curthbert Coot ranch story (WDC 55), Donald falls into a lake with his horse. The horse sinks down and manages to get out of the water by cutting the rope that is tied to the horse. The horse is not shown getting out of the water. In "Darkest Africa" (MOC 20), an alligator is poisoned. The Dutch publication suggests that the alligator is asleep, but as far as I remember the original clearly suggests that the alligator is death. In the pilgrim costume turkey story (WDC 87), a bird in a tree is killed and prepared for consumption. I don't remember what bird it was, but I seem to remember that it was changed in later (1990s?) reprints because of being a rare one. In "Only A Poor Old man" (OS 386), a mouse getting caught by a mouse-trap is shown, and Uncle Scrooge shoots some insects. In "Froggy Farmer" (WDC 236) Donald is hunting for frogs to sell them for consumption, but as far as I remember, no frogs get killed. BTW. In some stories Barks' showed too many fish (or one very big fish) in a small bowl. I don't remember where I read it, but I remember that Barks got at least one complaint about it: from his wife Gare. She thought that children might feel tempted to do the same with real fish. Personally I don't find this a strange thought, because people *do* have a habit of putting a bird in a small cage or putting a fish in a small bowl. - Daniel From kfitz at halcyon.com Sun Jul 8 21:50:55 2001 From: kfitz at halcyon.com (Kathy Fitzpatrick) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 12:50:55 -0700 Subject: SciFi in Duck stories References: <20010620140536.KQJJ21320.fep15-svc.tin.it@[212.171.143.117]> Message-ID: <01dd01c107e7$4e37bcc0$d72efea9@kfitz> I think sci fi works better for some Disney characters than others. For example a lot of what Gyro Gearloose does is actually sci fi. But in the world of Duckburg it seems very logical since he is after all an inventor and a scientific inventor at that as well as a chemist. Mickey did well in the world of tomorrow (can't think of exact title at this time so did not capitalize it). Mickey and Pete seem right at home in any setting. Stories such as "Island in the Sky" and Mickey, Mouse Mail Pilot (again not sure of title) involved sci fi for the day but were based somewhat on the possibilites actual inventions of the time. Yet even when a little sci fi is involved the stories seem logical as written at least the older stories. The themes of many of the stories are as old as time and could also have in many cases been done without space ship and things. The Ducks often bump into "lost" civilizations that seem alien, here on their earth as well as on other planets. Kathy From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sun Jul 8 22:14:36 2001 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 22:14:36 +0200 Subject: Olaf Solstrand's site Message-ID: <20010708200017.26F7E7D12@hirogen.kabelfoon.nl> OLAF SOLSTRAND to me, 08-07-2001: > Here comes the translation: [...] Takk! (Thanks!) > [biography] I hope you don't mind me using your stuff this way! > (you have all rights to sue me, actually) **evil grin** I didn't think about that possibility, but now that you mention it... Maybe we can settle this outside of court? Just sent me your entire comic book collection and we won't speak about it again. Okay? :-) - Daniel PS. No, I don't mind that you use that biography. I fact, I feel very complimented that you found it worthwhile enough to translate it. From cacou661 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 8 22:21:58 2001 From: cacou661 at yahoo.com (Francois Willot) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 13:21:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: jail stories Message-ID: <20010708202158.6022.qmail@web14311.mail.yahoo.com> >Have there been other stories with Disney characters ending up in jail >around this time? (Before and after WDC 50?) WDC 62 F. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sun Jul 8 22:37:48 2001 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 22:37:48 +0200 Subject: Correction (Re: Things you don't see in Disney comics) Message-ID: <20010708202330.BEC0A7C87@hirogen.kabelfoon.nl> In my message "Re: Things you don't see in Disney comics", included in the previous digest, I wrote: > In the Curthbert Coot ranch story (WDC 55), Donald falls into a lake > with his horse. The horse sinks down and manages to get out of the > water by cutting the rope that is tied to the horse. The horse is not > shown getting out of the water. There's a word missing, in this correction I've emphasized it by using capitals: In the Curthbert Coot ranch story (WDC 55), Donald falls into a lake with his horse. The horse sinks down and DONALD manages to get out of the water by cutting the rope that is tied to the horse. The horse is not shown getting out of the water. - Daniel From bi442 at lafn.org Mon Jul 9 05:53:50 2001 From: bi442 at lafn.org (Rob Klein) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 20:53:50 -0700 Subject: Donald in Jail Message-ID: <200107090349.f693nbG87826@zoon.lafn.org> Answer to Daniel's question over Donald ending a story in jail: In USA WDC & S Nr. 62, Nov. 1945 (Waterski Race) Donald has caused calamaties which bother the Race Judge (this implies he was an actual court judge as well). Donald ends up in a brick building with metal bars on the window. It looks like a jail or prison. A sign in front says "durance vile" (old fashioned English form of unpleasant endurance - meaning imprisonment or confinement). Is this a phrase formerly (or currently) used by judges in USA or The British Commonwealth of Nations in sentencing defendents found guilty? I have never attended a court proceeding in USA. I have seen the sentencing of O.J. Simpson on TV. But he was found not guilty. I have attended several court proceedings in Canada, but they were civil, not criminal cases. I have seen hundreds of old American, British, Canadian and Australian films (mostly from the late 1920s, 30s, 40s and 50s; many of which portrayed judges sentencing defendents. I cannot remember any judge saying: "You are sentenced to DURANCE VILE for the remainder of your natural life!" Perhaps one of our members can enlighten us here. This story was before the Firebug story. I cannot remember a story after 1946, in which Donald ends up in jail. Perhaps Don Ault's book, which will include information from his interview with former Western Publishing editor Chase Craig, will provide a history of the changes in the Disney/Western policy on this subject. Rob klein From apantsio at ac.anatolia.edu.gr Mon Jul 9 09:20:08 2001 From: apantsio at ac.anatolia.edu.gr (Dr. Archontis Pantsios) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 10:20:08 +0300 Subject: Fw: MIKY MAOUS & KLASIKA Message-ID: <007301c10847$9609a800$6c2ddbc2@anatolia.edu.gr> I mailed this posting a week ago, but I don't think it ever appeared in a Digest since then; so, here's another copy: > Fellow Quackeroos: > > Here's your weekly edition of your Greek e-kiosk: > > 1) MIKY MAOUS #1823, June 22 2001 > a) "Alla ricerca della pietra zodiacale: i dodici nomi", from "Topolino" > #1780, 1990 (28 pages). Script: Bruno Sarda; Art: Massimo De Vita. > b) The Beagle Boys in "L' innamoramento intere$$ato", from "Topolino" #2232, > 1998 (18 pages). Script: Stefano Petruccelli; Art: Marco Gervasio. > c) Uncle Scrooge in "The Neuvaux Riche Beggar", S-75080 (12 pages). Script: > the Disney Studio; Art: Tony Strobl. > d) Lil' Bad Wolf in "The Bean Soup", D-2432 (7 pages). Creators unknown. > > > 2) KLASIKA #167, June-July 2001 > a) Uncle Scrooge in "Il 'metodo' di Zio Paperone", from "Topolino" #1069, > 1976 (30 pages). Script: Alfredo Castelli, Art: Massimo De Vita. > (note: This story is a clear tribute to Barks' masterpiece "Only a Poor Old > Man". Some of the panels in the opening pages of the story are reproduced > faithfully from the original story--it's certainly worth taking a look at > it). > b) Mickey Mouse in "Il Piranka Kuka Baruka", from "Topolino" #617-618 (67 > pages in two parts). Script: Guido Martina; Art: Sergio Asteriti. > c) Goofy in "L' Emiro del Camelistan", from "Topolino" #1089, 1976 (40 > pages). Script: Anne-Marie Dester; Art: Giancarlo Gatti. > d) Donald Duck in "Hero of the Day" (10 pages). Story code and creators > unknown. > > ''til next week, > > Archontis > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ----------- > Archontis L. Pantsios, Ph.D. > Assistant Academic Dean & Associate Professor of Economics > The American College of Thessaloniki > Thessaloniki, GREECE > tel.: +30 31 398 228 > > From DGE at ECN.egmont.com Mon Jul 9 09:20:48 2001 From: DGE at ECN.egmont.com (DGE@ECN.egmont.com) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 09:20:48 +0200 Subject: Hazel the Witch Message-ID: <75E179836B98D411A2B500508BF3B1431C9E37@CPHEGTD1-XCH02> Hey Luca! >"The Witch and Beelzebub, the Broom - Halloween Haunting", pages 5, it is >the FIRST story introducing Hazel again (with her name changed, maybe >because another Witch Hazel still existed, in the ACG comics, and one more >even in the Harveys... Or maybe because Hazel was the name of Walt Disney >nurse in the same period... I don't know... >Maybe someone can help me to discover why her name was chenged. I think I know: your Witch Hazel round-up may have left one Hazel out. It's the Witch Hazel of Little Lulu, who was introduced by Western Publishing's John Stanley in 1952 (same year as Disney's Hazel)... and *unlike* the Disney Hazel (who dropped from sight for a while), Lulu's witch rather quickly became a continuing character and a star of her own stories. Some time later Western Publishing bought the rights to Lulu from their owner and creator, Marge Buell - so now Western actually owned Lulu's Witch Hazel 100%, and stood to profit from her popularity. It was not, I suppose, in Western's interest to promote another Witch Hazel whose name might invivte confusion with "their own" character. So when they reused Disney's Witch Hazel later, they got around the issue of her name - if that was really their goal - by merely calling her "The Witch", or by giving her pseudonyms (like Witch Wanda, as I've seen in a mid-1960s Scrooge story). Of course, most of this is speculation. Maybe it's a question I should ask Chase Craig, whom I really ought to get back in touch with... Best wishes, David From apantsio at ac.anatolia.edu.gr Mon Jul 9 09:51:57 2001 From: apantsio at ac.anatolia.edu.gr (Dr. Archontis Pantsios) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 10:51:57 +0300 Subject: MIKY MAOUS & ALMANAKO References: <200107081947.VAA13722@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <00b201c1084c$075c22e0$6c2ddbc2@anatolia.edu.gr> Fellow Quackeroos: Here's your Greek e-kiosk once again: 1) MIKY MAOUS #1824, June 29, 2001 a) "Alla ricerca della pietra zodiacale: la valle degli scorpioni", (Part 2), from "Topolino" #1781, 1990 (28 pages). Script: Bruno Sarda; Art: Massimo De Vita. b) "L' altra faccia di Gambadilegno", from "Topolino" #2233, 1998, (27 pages). Script: Fabio Michelini; Art: Roberto Vian. c) "Paperino e le situazioni disperate: l' estrazione", from "Topolino" #2195, 1997 (7 pages). Script: Rudy Salvagnini; Art: Claudia Forcelloni. d) Chip & Dale in "The Terrifying Guards", W. C&D #68. Creators unknown. 2) ALMANAKO #125, July 2001 a) Paperinik in "L' attacco di Archi-X", from "Topolino" #1909, 1992 (32 pages). Script: Nino Russo; Art: Comicup Studio b) Indiana Goofy in "La scomparsa delle negritas", from "Topolino" #2319, 2000. Script: Bruno Sarda; Art: Nicola Tosolini. 'til next week, Archontis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- Archontis L. Pantsios, Ph.D. Assistant Academic Dean & Associate Professor of Economics The American College of Thessaloniki Thessaloniki, GREECE tel.: +30 31 398 228 From longtom at oeste.com.ar Mon Jul 9 09:42:27 2001 From: longtom at oeste.com.ar (Fabio Blanco) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 04:42:27 -0300 Subject: Donald's 313 car In-Reply-To: <4.3.0.20010618110641.0425b100@pop.elkraft.ntnu.no> Message-ID: Are'nt a Bark's picture about Donald coming to an auto exposition and mention the name of the car? Something with "b" Belchair? Belfchair? Belfchair? Fabio Blanco ***************** longtom at oeste.com.ar > > The engine however is not a "1920 Mixwell engine" as described in > > "Volcano Valley", but rather a more well known engine from an > > Opel Kadett. > >Is "1920 Mixwell engine" a reference to a real existant engine? I guess all those references to the parts of Donald's car are puns. Halsten _______________________________________________ http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml From longtom at oeste.com.ar Mon Jul 9 09:42:20 2001 From: longtom at oeste.com.ar (Fabio Blanco) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 04:42:20 -0300 Subject: Red dye again Message-ID: Some messages ago Daniel Van Eijmeren said: >In Barks' red dye story (WDC 201), Donald accidently dyes the city red. According to my dictionary, the saying "paint the city red" means something like: having a good time by going into the city, like going to a disco or having a dinner in a restaurant. (In Dutch, the saying is "de bloemetjes buiten zetten", which means "put the flowers outside".) > Now I am thinking in High Plains Drifter, the Clint Eastwood movie. And dreamed the Don Rosa's version with the obligated film reference. Hey, sure that Don catches this comment... don't,Don? Cheers! FABIO From H.W.Fluks at kpn.com Mon Jul 9 11:17:25 2001 From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com (Fluks, H.W.) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 10:17:25 +0100 Subject: Luxemburg Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522044BF9F1@l04.research.kpn.com> Don: > >>>When exactly is that Luxemburg convention? > > It's on Friday-Sunday, July 13-15... next weekend. Too bad I can't come there; it's my father's birthday on Saturday. And my sister and I will be in Luxemburg one week later... --Harry. From cnotw at zen.it Mon Jul 9 12:36:59 2001 From: cnotw at zen.it (Luca Boschi) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 11:36:59 +0100 Subject: R: Donald in Jail Message-ID: <3AE982280103895A@smtp3.libero.it> (added by postmaster@iol.it) Hi, Rob and all! > This story was before the Firebug story. I cannot remember a story after > 1946, in which Donald ends up in jail. Perhaps Don Ault's book, which will > include information from his interview with former Western Publishing > editor Chase Craig, will provide a history of the changes in the > Disney/Western policy on this subject. I look forward it! Indeed, you know, Donald went into a jail in a big number of stories made in Italy, some forty years ago... I remember Pier Lorenzo De Vita, Giuseppe Perego, Giovan Battista Carpi drawing him in this situation. And Mickey also was in jail several times. Bye! Luca From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Mon Jul 9 14:16:51 2001 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:16:51 +0200 Subject: Things you don't see in Disney comics Message-ID: <00b201c10871$0919d8a0$ef2bfbc1@obdesktop> Daniel: >>In the pilgrim costume turkey story (WDC 87), a bird in a tree is >>killed and prepared for consumption. I don't remember what bird it >>was, but I seem to remember that it was changed in later (1990s?) >>reprints because of being a rare one. Really? I didn't know. The bird's an eagle. Olivier From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Mon Jul 9 14:16:59 2001 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:16:59 +0200 Subject: jail stories Message-ID: <00b301c10871$0e13f480$ef2bfbc1@obdesktop> Daniel: >>Have there been other stories with Disney characters ending up in jail >>around this time? (Before and after WDC 50?) Three stories I recal-- not jailed *at the end* of the story though. "Volcano Valley" (DD FC 147, May '47) WDC&S 168 ("Cheltenham's Choice", Sept '54, Album 26): A big-mouthed mynah Donald just bought insults a policeman and flies away and the ducks are sent to jail: "This is a case of rank *injustice*!" WDC&S 176 ("The Ghost Sheriff of Last Gasp", May '55, Album 28): The ducks get trapped in the jail. The motif of imprisonment & its variations are quite recurrent throughout the ducks' adventures and would be intereseting to study: "Volcano Valley" & "Lost in the Andes", deep-diving (in the sphere, WDC&S 177), in the Cathedral's organ ("Phantom of Notre-Duck"), locked out of the Bin ("Forbidium Money Bin"), ... Olivier From H.W.Fluks at kpn.com Mon Jul 9 15:36:04 2001 From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com (Fluks, H.W.) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:36:04 +0100 Subject: Dutch Panchito strips Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522044BF9F5@l04.research.kpn.com> Rob Klein: > Perhaps some > of the editors at Oberon had seen some of the Brasilian > stories in the late > 1970s that inspired the renaissance of Jose C. (new Dutch > production) in > the Dutch Weekly, and the printing of the Panchito strips. > Harry, can you help us on this question? I am convinced that the Dutch never looked at a Brazilian story when they decided to reprint the old USA newspaper strips. And the Dutch production is clearly based on those newspaper strips. This goes for Carioca as well as for Panchito. > information regarding the Dutch Jose Carioca > production: In the 1980s, Wilma van den Bosch did most of the story > writing, along with much from Ruud Straatman. Then how come that Ruud Straatman was the only one credited, for ALL the longer Carioca stories? Wilma only did two very short stories (and maybe 2 gags that were attributed to "redactie DD"). Wilma didn't do any Carioca stories in the 1990s. > Mau and Bas Heymans have also drawn several during the [1990s] Bas drew one. Mau only drew a "special" DD story where lots of characters appeared, including Carioca. > several Brasilian cover drawings were reprinted. As far as I know, covers were *always* made in Holland. If they used a Brazilian gag, they must have redrawn the artwork. But I have no indications for that. (There were 2 occasions in 1994 where a Brazilian cover was used: in both cases, the cover was printed as a Brazilian cover, and was part of an article about Brazil or Carioca.) > Several short Brasilian stories were also reprinted. I don't know of *any* Brazilian Carioca story reprinted in Holland! > Harry-anything you can add? - (of ben je met vacantie?) Can you come with more detailed information? Like sources? --Harry. (not reading e-mail during weekends) From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Mon Jul 9 14:16:45 2001 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:16:45 +0200 Subject: Re! Donald's 313 Car Message-ID: <00b101c10871$0567cd20$ef2bfbc1@obdesktop> Hi everyone! Fabio: >>Are'nt a Bark's picture about Donald coming to an auto exposition and >>mention the name of the car? Something with "b" >>Belchair? Belfchair? Belfchair? "A Belchfire Runabout!" Olivier From pkanninen at hotmail.com Mon Jul 9 15:21:32 2001 From: pkanninen at hotmail.com (Petri Kanninen) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 16:21:32 +0300 Subject: Death in Disney comics Message-ID: DANIEL: >What about animals being killed? There was some discussion about deaths in Disney comics on the Finnish comics newsgroup. Tommi Perkola collected those we came up with. http://www.uta.fi/~matope/ankkakuolo/ (in Finnish only) Here are examples from the page: (Italian) In "Paperino e il misterioso Mister Moster" (I TL 108-A) Mister Moster's laboratory blows up while he's inside. In "Paperino e il vaso rosso dei Ming" (I TL 1015-A) Scrooge-pirate forces one of his Beagle Boy crew members to jump to a sea full of sharks. In "Topolino e i fantasmi neri" (I TL 466-B) two of Clarabelle's uncles have an accident with a helicopter and die. This happens in an episode drawn by Perego (otherwise the story is drawn by Carpi) so I don't know if the scene is in the original publications. In "Paperino e la leggenda dello Scozzese Volante" (I TL 174-A) the Angus McDuck (or his ghost) leaves this world. Well, he died at some stage anyway. In "Topolino e la spada di ghiaccio" (I TL 1411-B, the Ice Sword story) the bad guy gets it at the end. Then two animal deaths: In "Paperino e l'isola delle scimmie afflitte" (I TL 190-A) two monkeys eat gunpowder and jump on ducks' boat and explode. In "Zio Paperone e il trapianto della pituitaria" (I TL 811-A) a dog is killed. It doesn't happen during the story but in the text it says that the criminals killed it during their last attack. BTW. This is a very weird story: US gets somekind of allergy for gold and he gets new nose mucous from the dead dog. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From Ola.Martinsson at uab.ericsson.se Mon Jul 9 16:10:27 2001 From: Ola.Martinsson at uab.ericsson.se (Ola Martinsson) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 16:10:27 +0200 Subject: When did the first dutch stories begin ? References: <200107091003.MAA24844@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <3B49BB53.46E1CA4D@uab.ericsson.se> In the latest number of the Swedish weekly there are two dutch stories with story code H771 and H772. Are these the first two stories done in Holland ? One is drawn by Jippes and Matena and the other one by Jippes and DeJonge if I remember correctly. Does anyone know in what way they divided the work between them ? Did e.g. Jippes sketch and the other ink or what ? Ola in still very warm Stockholm +30 and sweaty From H.W.Fluks at kpn.com Mon Jul 9 17:19:04 2001 From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com (Fluks, H.W.) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 16:19:04 +0100 Subject: When did the first dutch stories begin ? Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522044BF9F7@l04.research.kpn.com> Ola: > In the latest number of the Swedish weekly there are two dutch stories > with story code H771 and H772. Are these the first two stories done in > Holland ? No, but they are the first and second Wolf story done in Holland in 1977 (if you are referring to Wolf stories, that is). The actual codes should have been H-W-771 and H-W-772; apparently Egmont chose to remove the "W" from the code. Dutch production started in 1953. See my "Bolderbast" website for more information: http://home.wxs.nl/~fluks4/bolderbast/xph.html (This website also has information about producktion in other countries.) > One is drawn by Jippes and Matena and the other one > by Jippes > and DeJonge if I remember correctly. Does anyone know in what way they > divided the work between them ? Did e.g. Jippes sketch and > the other ink or what ? Jippes was mostly responsible for the layout of the stories. He also was a "coach" to the other artists. (Currently Eddy van Schuijlenburg has that function in Holland. He recently told me that "Art director" is not a good name for his function, though many people use that.) BTW, what do DCML people think of those Dutch Wolf stories? > still very warm Stockholm +30 and sweaty After a few thunderstorms and a rainy Sunday, things are getting a bit cooler here in Holland. --Harry. From mccallumrn at hotmail.com Mon Jul 9 16:49:32 2001 From: mccallumrn at hotmail.com (Rob and Nancy McCallum) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 10:49:32 -0400 Subject: Time and date of Barks Tribute at San Diego Comic Con? Message-ID: I'm still trying to find out the exact time and date of the Barks Tribute Panel at this year's San Diego Comic Con and they do not respond to my repeated requests for this information. If any one one has a definitive answer please post it on the DCML? Rob McCallum _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From cnotw at zen.it Mon Jul 9 18:05:36 2001 From: cnotw at zen.it (Luca Boschi) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 17:05:36 +0100 Subject: Dutch Caballeros Message-ID: <3B3A187200272DDA@smtp2.libero.it> (added by postmaster@iol.it) Hi, Harry and all! > After a few thunderstorms and a rainy Sunday, things are getting a bit > cooler here in Holland. WHEW! In Italy, too. Recently, we are talking about dutch Panchito and Jose stories... I'd like to know something more about this matter. How many stories there are with the two characters (together, alone and with Donald - maybe), and who wrote and drew them? I'm interested in this matter because in Italy the "3 Caballeros" Walt Kelly story was appreciated very much by the readers, and the same (I assume) shall happen next week, when the Don Rosa's "Ride Again" story shall hit the newsstands. In the next month, maybe that some old 3 Caballeros made in Italy stories shall see the light again. Thiese stories are not based on the sunday pages, because they were quite unknown; unpublished and not even known by the story men. I'll inform you when (and IF) they are in the newsstands, in Italy... Thanks! Luca From reimersholme at hotmail.com Sun Jul 8 11:18:37 2001 From: reimersholme at hotmail.com (Stefan Persson) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 11:18:37 +0200 Subject: Olaf Solstrand's site References: <20010708082511.3615F7CC1@hirogen.kabelfoon.nl> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel van Eijmeren" To: Sent: den 8 juli 2001 10:39 Subject: Olaf Solstrand's site > On top of your translation at "http://home.no.net/treaa/barks.htm" > I see a short note which I'm not able to read: > > Informasjonen p? denne siden er hovedsakelig hentet fra en artikkel > av Dani?l van Eijmeren. Jeg kommer til ? skrive inn mer med tiden, > blant annet vil jeg skrive litt om de beste historiene til Barks, > hvor en naturligvis ikke kommer utenom "Eggemysteriet". > > Can you or someone else translate it for me? Translation: The information at this page is mostly from an article by Dani?l van Eijmeren. I'll add more later, for example I'd like to write a little about the best stories by Barks, which does of course include "Lost in the Andes." Stefan From H.W.Fluks at kpn.com Mon Jul 9 19:02:38 2001 From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com (Fluks, H.W.) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 18:02:38 +0100 Subject: Dutch Caballeros Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522044BF9FA@l04.research.kpn.com> Luca: > Recently, we are talking about dutch Panchito and Jose > stories... I'd like > to know something more about this matter. How many stories > there are with > the two characters (together, alone and with Donald - maybe), > and who wrote and drew them? Note that none of the Dutch stories feature *both* Carioca and Panchito. Except for an occasional "guest appearance", the characters live in separate worlds! I think people would like to read the old USA newspaper strips (Carioca as well as Panchito). The Dutch editors may have 4-tier ("comicified") copies of that. And after that, readers may find the Dutch 22-page Carioca stories interesting. The shorter Dutch stories (2 to 5 pages) are uninteresting, IMO. Here's a complete list of the longer Dutch Carioca stories. Every story copes with one or more Brazilian stereotypes - in a very funny way (though maybe not always flattering to Brazilians): H 83049 Een vagebond op het slechte pad (organised crime) H 83080 Een vagebond als president (politics/revolutions, 21 pages) H 84126 Een vagebond als topvoetballer (football) H 84127 Een vagebond als lotgenoot (national lotteries) H 85114 Een vagebond zet de bloemetjes buiten (carnival, if I'm not mistaken) H 90182 Joe Carioca als goudzoeker (gold rush) H 91073 Joe Carioca op de Olympische Spelen (Olympic games) All except one are 22 pages, all stories are written by Ruud Straatman, and drawn by Jos? Colomer Fonts. --Harry. From mccallumrn at hotmail.com Mon Jul 9 19:10:21 2001 From: mccallumrn at hotmail.com (Rob and Nancy McCallum) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 13:10:21 -0400 Subject: Time and date of Barks Tribute at San Diego Comic Con Update Message-ID: They just posted the schedule. Here it is! I will forward it to DCML. Thank you for unbelievably fast response! Rob McCallum They just posted the schedule. here it is Friday, July 20 2:30 PM A Tribute to Carl Barks – A group of his friends and associates remember the man who gave us Uncle $crooge, Gladstone Gander and hundreds of the best comic book stories ever created. We're going to gather to tell Carl Barks stories and invite the audience to share their favorite memories of the man and/or his work. Up on the dais, you'll find Russ Cochran, and Bruce Hamilton (publishers), Byron Erickson (Edgmont Publishing), R.C. Harvey (cartoonist and comic strip historian), Russell Myers (creator of Broom-Hilda), and Don Rosa (Duck Artist Supreme). Moderated by Mark Evanier. Room 8 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From reimersholme at hotmail.com Mon Jul 9 19:12:48 2001 From: reimersholme at hotmail.com (Stefan Persson) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 19:12:48 +0200 Subject: When did the first dutch stories begin ? References: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522044BF9F7@l04.research.kpn.com> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fluks, H.W." To: Sent: den 9 juli 2001 17:19 Subject: RE: When did the first dutch stories begin ? > No, but they are the first and second Wolf story done in Holland in 1977 (if > you are referring to Wolf stories, that is). The actual codes should have > been H-W-771 and H-W-772; apparently Egmont chose to remove the "W" from the > code. The printed codes are in fact H/W/771 and H/DD/772. The second wolf story is not a wolf story, but a duck story. The Inducks lists this: H 77dd02 3 TRo -> DD [desc-nl:piano versjouwen] | [art:DJi(layout),MdJ] [pubdate:1977-08- | 12] | nl: DD1977-32 | se: 2001-28 (Ett litet klavertramp) H 77w01 5 WPl DMa BW [desc-nl:hitte] [pubdate:1977-07-22] | nl: DD1977-29,KBW3 7 | se: 2001-28 (Varm varg) Stefan From cnotw at zen.it Tue Jul 10 00:08:45 2001 From: cnotw at zen.it (Luca Boschi) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 23:08:45 +0100 Subject: R: Dutch Caballeros Message-ID: <3B3A18720028E2E6@smtp2.libero.it> (added by postmaster@iol.it) Thank you, Harry, for the Carioca and Panchito's lists infos! Luca From HorizonHse at aol.com Tue Jul 10 01:52:03 2001 From: HorizonHse at aol.com (HorizonHse@aol.com) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 19:52:03 EDT Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #600 - 11 msgs Message-ID: <127.126137b.287b9da3@aol.com> hi, all. it always seemed that science fiction stories in uncle scrooge were a nice change of pace from treasure hunts and money bin assaults. they weren't very often, but they're some of the best -- and a couple of the worst -- of the series, including: #24 -- the 24 cxarat moon #29 -- island in the sky #34 -- mythic mystery #46 -- lost beneath the sea #49 -- looney lunar gold rush #53 -- interplanetary postman #65 -- micro ducks from outer space disneyland birthday party -- the forbidium money bin depending on how someone defines sci fi, there are other stories as well, such as the magic ink, the anti-cabbage fumes machine, the sticky money glue. but these others are the ones that dealt with space travel or space visitors. i remember at least donald had rocketing around the world in wdc. did he have others in donald duck or other comics? by the way, for anyone who doesn't know and actually cares, in english witch hazel is the name of both a shrub native to eastern north america and an over-the-counter remedy for brusies and sprains (although not recognized in pharmacy as having much value. regards, william price 236 west portal #450 san francisco, ca From Ritmic at aol.com Tue Jul 10 08:29:49 2001 From: Ritmic at aol.com (Ritmic@aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 02:29:49 EDT Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #567 - 13 msgs Message-ID: <34.179b8655.287bfadd@aol.com> why are so many of the digests now coming through as MIME files? Is this an artifact of the server? or something from my end of the deal? It really is kind of a nuisance to have to download the file and then have to download each letter individually. Help! :) Thanks! Michael Feldman ???????????????????????????The Go Happenin' Home Page ? ????????????????( http://hometown.aol.com/ritmic/myhomepageindex.html) ****************************************************************************** *** ? ? "A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any invention in human history -- with the possible exceptions of handguns and tequila." ? ? ? ? --Mitch Ratliffe, _Technology Review_ April 1992 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20010710/e289c146/attachment.html From Willot.Francois at ec-lille.fr Tue Jul 10 15:10:54 2001 From: Willot.Francois at ec-lille.fr (Francois Willot) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:10:54 +0200 Subject: Italian new "blue" book on R. Scarpa Message-ID: <2B516F17D00DD311AF4700A0C9E1F7A620C325@panic.ec-lille.fr> A new book about Romano Scarpa was recently published in Italy. Does anyone know where to write to order it from Europe, and what is the price? And is there any additional info on this book? If someone's willing to trade comics for it, just send me a mail. Thank you. Francois From frspreaf at tin.it Tue Jul 10 15:26:15 2001 From: frspreaf at tin.it (Francesco Spreafico) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:26:15 +0200 Subject: Italian new "blue" book on R. Scarpa References: <2B516F17D00DD311AF4700A0C9E1F7A620C325@panic.ec-lille.fr> Message-ID: <047601c10943$ea0c0680$44340f97@p7v7n9> From: "Francois Willot" > Does anyone know where to write to order it from Europe, and what is the > price? And is there any additional info on this book? For additional info check: "My" page (in Italian) http://digilander.iol.it/sgrizzo/calidornia/index.htm Eta's page (in English) http://www.eega.net/last/z_misc/calidornia/caldream.html The publisher's page http://www.pavesioproductions.com/pubblicazioni/scarpa.htm And from the publisher's home page http://www.pavesioproductions.com/homepage.htm you can order it online (click on "Acquisti online" and then "information", they ship everywhere, but "information" is also provided in English, so just read there :-) It costs 29.05 Euro, + (to France) 6.7 Euro. And it's definitely worth its cost! -- Sprea From bi442 at lafn.org Tue Jul 10 16:01:11 2001 From: bi442 at lafn.org (Rob Klein) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 07:01:11 -0700 Subject: Dutch Carioca Production Message-ID: <200107101356.f6ADusG29874@zoon.lafn.org> Hi Harry and everyone. I must apologise for my innacurate information on Jose Carioca and Panchito story and cover production in Holland. My original source of the writer and artist information was INDUCKS. I looked at all printings of stories and covers containing Jose Carioca first, and then those with Panchito. I took notes. It appears my last memory (of the Panchito pages) made me forget that I took notes on the much more numerous JC entries. Wilma van den Bosch had a slightly higher percentage of the entries not by number of pages (but by number of "stories") for the mid 1980s to early 1990s in stories in which Panchito appeared. However, these were only 1-3 pages. Ruud Straatman, indeed, wrote ALL the long JC stories, and the great bulk of the pages for the 1980s through 1992. Frank Jonker wrote a great portion of the stories in the 1990s. The Brasilian covers printed in Holland must be the 2 that you explained were shown for infomational purposes. There were 5-7 stories listed with B codes that I interpreted as having been printed in Holland fromentries by story crossreferencing. Perhaps I made a mistake there. I am traveling now, and cannot use my friends' internet connection to check this. Sorry for the misinformation. I will take much more careful notes and quote sources from now on. Rob klein From no1stfn at hotmail.com Tue Jul 10 15:59:26 2001 From: no1stfn at hotmail.com (Jennifer Clayton) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:59:26 -0400 Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20010710/e7099e9a/attachment.html From favio31 at caramail.com Tue Jul 10 16:54:37 2001 From: favio31 at caramail.com (Thierry Fernand) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:54:37 GMT+1 Subject: Online Disney Comics Message-ID: <994776877031190@caramail.com> Please Jenny check http://mailotron.forez.com/livia/backup.php3 Regards Favio >I really want to read the disney comics but I don't know> >how to access them you are sending me the same things> >everyday but none say to read the disney comics click >here> I just wanted to read. Not get the runaround thanks. From lene445 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 10 17:53:24 2001 From: lene445 at yahoo.com (Reinhold Lennebo) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 08:53:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Message to Rob Message-ID: <20010710155324.33279.qmail@web14703.mail.yahoo.com> Rob Klein: >Sorry for the misinformation. I will take much more >careful notes and quote sources from now on. No need to apologize, Rob, I welcome all your inputs, including the few errors that we all make from time to time. It's a chat forum, and it's great to hear from so many duck fans. Lene Egmont manager, Sweden __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From cien2 at cbn.net.id Tue Jul 10 17:45:42 2001 From: cien2 at cbn.net.id (Arie Fachrisal) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 22:45:42 +0700 Subject: Death in Disney comics and off-topic Message-ID: <00e101c10958$72c0e220$181c9eca@arie-fachrisal> Hi, And don't forget the death (?) of the spy in Dangerous Disguise story. And off-topic, can Michael Devery from Australia send me email please? Thank you very much. I am going to read those dcml digests again after weeks of holiday out of town =) Best, Arie Fachrisal ------------------------------------- "A pound of dark feathers is lighter than a pound of white feathers" ------------------------------------- From cnotw at zen.it Tue Jul 10 18:26:57 2001 From: cnotw at zen.it (Luca Boschi) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:26:57 +0100 Subject: Forty years (and a month) later, Ben Bubbola Comes Back Message-ID: <3AE98228010895C8@smtp3.libero.it> (added by postmaster@iol.it) Hi, all! For all the Scarpa's fans... Well, the weekly "Topolino" that shall hit the newsstands tomorrow publishes the story TOPOLINO SUPERBAGNINO, that I wrote around an year ago. It brings back from the oblivion the Romano Scarpa's Ben Bubbola character, created in 1961 for the memorable story "Topolino nel favoloso regno di Shan-Grill?", printed in TL 288-289 and reprinted three times in Italy (but only one in its original, uncut version; with a very small print run, in b&w). So, Ben Bubbola, a Frank Crapa's scholar and fan, now is a recurring character. With him and Mickey,the story shows a comeback of Goofy's Uncle Wombat (Sfrizzo De Pippis), created by F. Gottfredson in 1951. Ben Bubbola is drawn by with a close resemblance to the Scarpa's model by Giampaolo Soldati. Luca Boschi From raptus at stofanet.dk Tue Jul 10 18:48:36 2001 From: raptus at stofanet.dk (=?iso-8859-1?q?S=F8ren=20Krarup=20Olesen?=) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:48:36 +0200 Subject: New Scarpa story and more... Message-ID: <01071018483600.23207@snude> The new Danish (Egmont) weekly to be published next Thursday contains *two* stories by Scarpa. The first one is a completely new story, written and drawn by Romano Scarpa (coded D 2000-188)--his Uncle Scrooge tribute to Carl Barks. It's a nice little story (16 pages in 4-tiers) starring US himself and his always potential bride Brigitta, who travels to an island for reasons I am not going to reveal here. Another leading character is Flintheart Glomgold, something I find a bit imputed, since Scarpa almost never used Glomgold. Probably this was "requested" by Egmont, and it doesn't seem "natural". The second one "Pippo e la Banda Tris" (from 1962, coded I AT 66-B) written by Roberto Catalano is an interesting choice although surprising. I wonder why the editors picked just that one, well, don't get me wrong, it's a funny story and extremely well-drawn. David? Anyways, if you don't subscribe already, do remember to buy the coming Egmont weekly! :-) S?ren From arthur at westbrabant.net Tue Jul 10 18:48:20 2001 From: arthur at westbrabant.net (Arthur de Wolf) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:48:20 +0200 Subject: Luxembourg References: <00e101c10958$72c0e220$181c9eca@arie-fachrisal> Message-ID: <006201c10960$22244fc0$491842c3@quicknet.nl> Hi, Is anybody (besides Don Rosa) going to the convention in Luxembourg this weekend? I will be there on Saturday. Kind regards, Arthur de Wolf Rotterdam - The Netherlands. From frspreaf at tin.it Tue Jul 10 20:34:35 2001 From: frspreaf at tin.it (Francesco Spreafico) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 20:34:35 +0200 Subject: Forty years (and a month) later, Ben Bubbola Comes Back References: <3AE98228010895C8@smtp3.libero.it> (added by postmaster@iol.it) Message-ID: <02e101c1096f$66ae3fc0$06010f97@p7v7n9> From: "Luca Boschi" > For all the Scarpa's fans... Well, the weekly "Topolino" that shall hit the > newsstands tomorrow publishes the story TOPOLINO SUPERBAGNINO, that I wrote > around an year ago. It brings back from the oblivion the Romano Scarpa's Ben > Bubbola character I'd noticed! (being subscribed, I receive Topolino on the Saturday before it hits the stands). Very well done, I love old characters coming back, especially when they are Scarpa's characters :-) -- Sprea From Ola.Martinsson at uab.ericsson.se Wed Jul 11 08:22:11 2001 From: Ola.Martinsson at uab.ericsson.se (Ola Martinsson) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:22:11 +0200 Subject: What is the price level for Disney comics in variuos countries ? References: <3B4AE462.8B12F218@uab.ericsson.se> Message-ID: <3B4BF093.C8C42A0E@uab.ericsson.se> I wonder what the price level for the usual Disney comic is in different countries. In Sweden we have a weekly Kalle Anka & c:o (Donald Duck and company) that is 64 pages full colour and costs just about 2 US $. What is the usual Disney comic in your countries and what does it cost ? Ola in a now cooler Stockholm +19 and quite comfy From Ola.Martinsson at uab.ericsson.se Wed Jul 11 08:55:29 2001 From: Ola.Martinsson at uab.ericsson.se (Ola Martinsson) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:55:29 +0200 Subject: Kaj Stenvall translation to English ? References: <3B4AE462.8B12F218@uab.ericsson.se> Message-ID: <3B4BF861.F0F45468@uab.ericsson.se> I've been looking at the page with Kaj Stenvall and his duck paintings http://www.lpg.fi/stenvall/2001/ There are three names of paintings that are not translated to English so I wonder if any of our Finnish friends on this list can translate them ? The titles are V??rin sytytetty ja sammutettu Janoinen merell? Uudet outoudet Thanks in advance Ola in a pleasantly warm Stockholm +20 and sunny From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Wed Jul 11 11:12:43 2001 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:12:43 +0200 Subject: price of Disney comics Message-ID: <002a01c109e9$a4f2f3a0$bcd6fdc1@obdesktop> Hi everyone! The date collected here is based on the latest issues I have; all are in color from cover to cover. The price in euro is on the cover, except the Mickey Parade I have; $1 is about 7.8F now. Everything is summed up in a table at the end. * * * * * * * * * * Le Journal de Mickey (# 2552) * * * * * * * * * * 9,80 F / 1,5 e / $ 1.25 68 p (covers included; wrap-around "Dinosaur" cover) 2p (covers) 1 p ("Donald Speaks English", 4-panel "story") 32 p (Disney comics) (12, 6, 12, 1, 1) 7 p (non-Disney comics) 9 p (ads) 6 p (games) 11 p (miscellaneous-- contents, so-called "articles", letters, ...) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 33 interesting pages (comics + page in English): 48.53 % (4.75 F / 0.72 e / $ 0.6) * * * * * * * * * * * * Picsou Magazine (# 354) * * * * * * * * * * * * 19 F / 2,9 e / $ 2.45 148 p (covers included; Donald from a Barks cover) 2p (covers) 86 p (Disney comics) (18, 24, 10, 10, 10, 14) 0.5 p (3 Taliaferro dailies) (included in the games) 15 p (ads) 6 p (games) 39 p (miscellaneous-- contents, so-called "articles" & "art", ...) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 86 interesting pages (all Barks, sometimes 1 Don Rosa story): 58.11 % (11 F / 1.68 e / $ 1.42) * * * * * * * * * * * Super Picsou G?ant (# 103) * * * * * * * * * * * 25 F / 3.80 e / $ 3.20 196 p (covers included; nice) 2p (covers; soft, but harder than LJdM & PM) 150 p (Disney comics) (25, 8, 10, 16, 9, 10, 1, 15, 1, 1, 30, 1, 8, 3, 7, 4, 1) 12 p (ads) 15 p (games) 17 p (miscellaneous-- contents, so-called "articles", jokes, ...) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 150 interesting pages (comics) (sometimes 1 page about the main story): 76,53 % (19 F / 2.9 e / $ 2.45) * * * * * * * * * * * * Mickey Parade (# 220) * * * * * * * * * * * * 15 F / 2.28 e / $ 1.90 196 p (covers included) 2p (covers; soft, but harder than LJdM & PM) 166 p (Disney comics) (24, 28, 32, 31, 27, 24) 2 p (on Romano Scarpa, by Luca Boschi!) (a most exceptional feature, I believe) 8 p (ads) 16 p (games) 2 p (miscellaneous-- contents, so-called "articles", jokes, ...) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 168 interesting pages (comics + 2-p article by Luca!): 85.71 % (12.85 F / 1.95 e / $ 1.63) Let's have a looks at a couple of Gladstone comics now... * * * * * * * * * * * * * WDC&S (597) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * $ 1.50 36 p 2 p (covers) 27 p (Disney comics) (10, 12, 4, 1) 1 p (letters) 6 p (ads; 1 bc, counted as a cover) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 27 interesting pages (Gottfredson, Taliaferro, Barks, Don Rosa, Van Horn often featured) (articles sometimes, too) 75 % ($ 1) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * U$ (306) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * $ 1.95 36 p 2 p (covers) 29p (Disney comics) (23, 6) 2 p (letters; here, 1 is a parting note, the other a fan's drawing) 4 p (ads; 1 bc, counted as a cover) 1 p (letters) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 29 interesting pages (Barks, Don Rosa, Van Horn frequent features) (articles as well, sometimes) 80.55 % ($ 1.57) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * DDA (43) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * $ 1.50 32 p 2 p (covers) 27 p (Disney comics) (24, 1, 1, 1) 3 p (ads; 1 bc, counted as a cover) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 27 interesting pages (Taliaferro, Barks, Don Rosa, Van Horn often featured) (articles sometimes, too) 84.37 % ($ 1.26) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * U$A (51) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * $ 1.95 36 p 2 p (covers) 28 p (Disney comics) (28) 2 p (article) 3 p (ads; 1 bc, counted as a cover) 1 p (letters) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 30 interesting pages (Taliaferro, Barks, Don Rosa, Van Horn frequently featured) (articles as well, sometimes) 83.33 % ($ 1.62) And here are the last two Gladstone issues... * * * * * * * * * * * * * WDC&S (633) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * $ 6.95 68 p ("prestige format") 3 p (covers + title page; gorgeous; rare items) 56 p (Disney comics) (8, 11, 10, 27) 7 p (genuine, most interesting articles on comics) 2 p (letters; here, 1 is a parting note, the other is part of the last article; so "Contents" is counted here) 0 p (ads) 0 p (games-- though in this one issue there is a trivia quiz at the bottom of the pages + a flipbook animation) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 68 interesting pages (including covers, which 95+?% of the time are great features in themselves) (Gottfredson, Taliaferro, Barks, Don Rosa, Van Horn are rather regular features) 100 % ($ 6.95) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * U$ (318) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * $ 6.95 68 p ("prestige format") 3 p (covers + title page; gorgeous; rare items) 47p (Disney comics) (24, 3, 4, 19) 10 p (real, most interesting articles on comics) 2 p (letters; here, 1 is a parting note, the other a fan's drawing) 2 p (ad for a porcelain) 1 p (contents) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 68 interesting pages (including covers, which 95+?% of the time are great features in themselves) (Barks, Don Rosa, Van Horn frequent features) (granted, the conference pages are less interesting, but in the any other issue it would have been a "Year That Was" or something): 100 % ($ 6.95) Let's sum up all this in a table (prices in $)... Title p price int p % price for these LJdM 68 1.25 33 48.53 0.6 PM 148 2.45 86 58.11 1.42 SPG 196 3.20 150 76.53 2.45 MP 196 1.90 168 85.71 1.63 WDC&S 36 1.50 27 75 1 U$ 36 1.95 29 80.55 1.57 DDA 32 1.50 27 84.37 1.26 U$A 36 1.95 30 83.33 1.62 WDC&S* 68 6.95 68 100 6.95 U$* 68 6.95 68 100 6.95 Bear in mind the % is that of Disney comics & "articles": it is purely quantitative and not qualitative. Olivier (cooler in Paris, now) From DGE at ECN.egmont.com Wed Jul 11 12:19:15 2001 From: DGE at ECN.egmont.com (DGE@ECN.egmont.com) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:19:15 +0200 Subject: New Scarpa story and more... Message-ID: <75E179836B98D411A2B500508BF3B1431C9E42@CPHEGTD1-XCH02> Hey S?ren! >The second one "Pippo e la Banda Tris" (from 1962, coded I AT 66-B) >written by Roberto Catalano is an interesting choice although >surprising. I wonder why the editors picked just that one, well, don't >get me wrong, it's a funny story and extremely well-drawn. David? I AT 66-B was chosen by collaborators in our Norwegian office - it's apparently a favorite of theirs. They had, it seems, first seen it a few years ago in the Scarpa reprints from Comic Art, Inc. One reason it was chosen to appear in this particular publication was that the Spring, Summer, and Autumn Reading sections of the Weekly have to be 32 pages or less. There are a fairly limited number of "vintage" 1950s and early-1960s Scarpa stories that (A) haven't already been in the pocketbooks and (B) are that short. Best, David From pkanninen at hotmail.com Wed Jul 11 13:13:57 2001 From: pkanninen at hotmail.com (Petri Kanninen) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:13:57 +0300 Subject: Kaj Stenvall translation to English ? Message-ID: >I wonder if any of our Finnish friends on this list can translate >them ? I looked at the other translations and some of them are quite strange. I won't start guessing what the artist has ment with these titles and I just translate them straight: >Väärin sytytetty ja sammutettu Wrongly lit and put out >Janoinen merellä Thirsty at sea >Uudet outoudet New oddnesses >Ola in a pleasantly warm Stockholm +20 and sunny Petri in Helsinki, +20 and almost sunny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From Ola.Martinsson at uab.ericsson.se Wed Jul 11 15:18:54 2001 From: Ola.Martinsson at uab.ericsson.se (Ola Martinsson) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:18:54 +0200 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?prisniv=E5=20f=F6r?= tidningar i olika =?iso-8859-1?Q?l=E4nder?= References: <3B4C5067.CC3534B5@uab.ericsson.se> Message-ID: <3B4C523E.D7B04B39@uab.ericsson.se> Thanks Olivier ! Very interesting. I have recalculated your table to find out what is the price per page and price per interesting page in US cent. Then we get the following, interesting don't you think ? Seems like the us price level is very high. > Let's sum up all this in a table (prices in $)... > > Title p US$ int p % per p USc per int p USc > > LJdM 68 1.25 33 48.53 1.84 3.79 > PM 148 2.45 86 58.11 1.46 2.85 > SPG 196 3.20 150 76.53 1.63 2.13 > MP 196 1.90 168 85.71 0.97 1.13 > > WDC&S 36 1.50 27 75 4.17 5.56 > U$ 36 1.95 29 80.55 5.42 6.72 > DDA 32 1.50 27 84.37 4.69 5.56 > U$A 36 1.95 30 83.33 5.42 6.50 > > WDC&S* 68 6.95 68 100 10.22 10.22 > U$* 68 6.95 68 100 10.22 10.22 > Since I only buy the weekly I can't make a similar comparison for Sweden but I will look in one of the later copies of the weekly and see what figures I get. Ola in a now cloudy Stockholm but still pleasantly warm From komixgreekpage at yahoo.com Wed Jul 11 17:18:30 2001 From: komixgreekpage at yahoo.com (Apostolis Trikourakis) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:18:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: What is the price level for Disney comics in variuos countries ? Message-ID: <20010711151830.76036.qmail@web11403.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all Ola Martinsson wrote: > What is the usual Disney comic in your countries and > what does it cost ? Komix: 700 drachmas, 68 pages, monthly (2,05 Euro) Donald: 600 drachmas, 100 pages, monthly (1,75 Euro) Almanako: 600 drachmas, 100 pages, monthly (1,75 Euro) The monthly "Minnie and her company" should have the same price as Donald and Almanako. I don't know how much the weekly Mickey Mouse costs here 'cause I've stopped buying it 2 years ago. I don't know either the prices of Klasika nor Megalo Miky (Mickey Giant). Maybe Kriton or Archontis remember the prices. Best Wishes from the sometimes sunny and sometimes rainy Athens (40*C yesterday, 37*C today) ===== Apostolis Trikourakis, Athens, Greece E-mail: komixgreekpage at yahoo.com Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/komixgreekpage __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From cien2 at cbn.net.id Wed Jul 11 14:23:01 2001 From: cien2 at cbn.net.id (Arie Fachrisal) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:23:01 +0700 Subject: Jail stories, Disney Comics price level Message-ID: <002a01c10a27$aa6f2ea0$601c9eca@arie-fachrisal> Concerning stories of Disney characters ends up in jail in the end of story. Besides the famous "cencored" Firebug story, i happen to read a more recent Italian story which is coded I-1119 A. Anyone remembers this story. This story puts Scrooge McDuck in jail at the end of story after some twsiting plots of Rockerduck made Scrooge did some criminal things. It's a troublesome story imo and i didn't like it, unlike the Firebug story which the "supposed" jail ending will be much better than the "dreamy" version =( As for the price level of Disney comics, you will be surprised at the price level in my country: Donal Bebek Weekly issue, 36 pages, colours, "lightweight" articles, quiz, advertorials, and some Disney stories. (Very low quality paper) Price is about US$ 0.50 I'll post about the other kind of Disney comics tomorrow if anyone is interested in it. =) Best, Arie Fachrisal ------------------------------------- "A pound of dark feathers is lighter than a pound of white feathers" ------------------------------------- From sts at bol.com.br Wed Jul 11 18:53:18 2001 From: sts at bol.com.br (Sts) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:53:18 -0300 Subject: Jail stories, Disney Comics price level References: <002a01c10a27$aa6f2ea0$601c9eca@arie-fachrisal> Message-ID: <007401c10a29$fed6a020$f1000a0a@vega> In Brazil, the quality of the DC down last 14 years. Today is impossible buy any Disney comics. The DC?s now are made to children and low QI people, like your national concurrents. []?s From esar77 at hotmail.com Thu Jul 12 00:20:47 2001 From: esar77 at hotmail.com (Sanna Rosenvall) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 01:20:47 +0300 Subject: Names of Kaj Stenvall's paintings Message-ID: Ola Martinsson wrote: I've been looking at the page with Kaj Stenvall and his duck paintings http://www.lpg.fi/stenvall/2001/ There are three names of paintings that are not translated to English so I wonder if any of our Finnish friends on this list can translate them ? So here come translations: Väärin sytytetty ja sammutettu = Wrongly lighted and extinguished Janoinen merellä = Thirsty one on the sea Uudet outoudet = New strangenesses Sanna Rosenvall from Finland _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From kyrimis at cti.gr Thu Jul 12 13:05:17 2001 From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:05:17 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #603 - 8 msgs In-Reply-To: <200107121002.MAA11923@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: APOSTOLIS: > I don't know how much the weekly Mickey Mouse costs > here 400 drachmas / 1.20 Euros [Rounded up from the actual equivalent of 1.17 Euros. There's an asterisk after the price in Euros, pointing to a footnote saying "Greece only", presumably meaning that only a Greek would be stupid enough to pay a price in Euros without checking the equivalence first! :( ] > 'cause I've stopped buying it 2 years ago. I I had stopped buying it for decades, until Archontis recently suggested I should give it a try, and I was hooked. It would seem that MIKY MAOUS is currently printing a classic story on almost every issue, either as the main story or as the backup story, so I'd suggest that you give it a try. (For the next 10 weeks or so the classic story is going to be the Zodiac Stone, so depending on whether that is your cup of tea or not, you might want to wait a bit.) > Best Wishes from the sometimes sunny and sometimes > rainy Athens (40*C yesterday, 37*C today) I wouldn't call "rain" what we had yesterday for a couple of minutes; it was more of a "fortifying humidity"... Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr) (WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis) ----- "The walls might hide spies, or, at any rate, historians." ----- From esar77 at hotmail.com Fri Jul 13 00:24:11 2001 From: esar77 at hotmail.com (Sanna Rosenvall) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 01:24:11 +0300 Subject: What is the price level for Disney comics in variuos countries ? Message-ID: Here are most usual Disney comics in Finland: Aku Ankka (Donald Duck): weekly, full colour, 36 pages, 1,60 € (9,50 FIM) Roope-setä (Uncle Scrooge): pocket magazine, monthly, full colour (except the one page story), 100 pages, 2,86 € (17,00 FIM) Aku Ankan taskukirja (Donald Duck pocket book): more often than monthly, full colour, price depends on how many pages there are. I have here one with 260 pages and it has costed 3,87 € (23,00 FIM) There are sometimes also those which have more pages but I don't know how much they cost nowadays. Sanna Rosenvall from Finland _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From liljerryandtheyadayadakiddz at yahoo.com Fri Jul 13 01:53:59 2001 From: liljerryandtheyadayadakiddz at yahoo.com (WL Lilly) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:53:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: DC price levels ??????? Message-ID: <20010712235359.63605.qmail@web12706.mail.yahoo.com> Since there haven't been any Disney comics published in the US for several years , this is a guess , but , based on current-day prices , a standard , 32 pulp pages plus slick cover , US Disney comic , today , would cost , minimum , $1.99...or , perhaps , the $1.95 that someone else theorized...since (1) That's the absolute lowest price that any , standard-format , American mass market comic book goes for . (2) That's the price that the few , remaining , " small child "-oriented comic books - basically , Archie's 32-page titles ( Archie's digest-sized titles , which go for more , probably make up the majority of their sales , however . ) , and DC's couple of , basically , connected with their parent company's cartoon/TV interests , " Kids' WB " titles ( LOONEY TOONS , POWDERPUFF GIRLS , etc. , and the couple of " little kid " superhero titles - currently , SUPERMAN ADVENTURES , and BATMAN GOTHAM ADVENTURES - that DC does . )...Actually , all standard US big time comics beyond that are $2.25 and up ! And , actually , I rather tend to think that , if there were Disney , standard-sized comics , in the U.S. today , they'd probably go for $2.25 or 2.50 , possibly , not $1.99 , anyway ( POSSIBLY with one lower-priced , or , even a " loss leader " , title ! ) ! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Ola.Martinsson at uab.ericsson.se Fri Jul 13 08:55:18 2001 From: Ola.Martinsson at uab.ericsson.se (Ola Martinsson) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 08:55:18 +0200 Subject: price level for Kalle Anka & c:o in Sweden References: <3B4D8F07.A3C1F42D@uab.ericsson.se> Message-ID: <3B4E9B56.9DC9DFA4@uab.ericsson.se> * * * * * * * * * * Kalle Anka & c:o no 26 2001 * * * * * * * * * 22 SEK / 2.4 e / $ 2 64 p (covers included) 1 p (cover) 1 p (table of contents + one Taliaferro daily strip) 50 p (Disney comics) (12, 2, 1, 10, 1, 10, 5, 1, 8) 5 p (ads) 2 p (games) 6 p (miscellaneous-- contents, so-called "articles", letters, ...) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 51,2 interesting pages (comics + cover + strip): 80.00 % (17.60 SEK / 1.92 e / $ 1.6) And to recalculate the cost of Le Journal de Mickey and Mickey poche because if they still have the same format as in the mid 1970:s then LJdM has 18 panels per page and Mp has only 4, which gives us the following table when the cost is calculated as per 8 panel comic page. I've put the old value in () Title p US$ int p % per p USc per int p USc KA&co 64 2 51,2 80.00 3.12 3.91 LJdM 68 1.25 74(33) 48.53 1.84 1.69(3.79) PM 148 2.45 86 58.11 1.46 2.85 SPG 196 3.20 150 76.53 1.63 2.13 MP 196 1.90 84(168) 85.71 0.97 2.26(1.13) WDC&S 36 1.50 27 75 4.17 5.56 U$ 36 1.95 29 80.55 5.42 6.72 DDA 32 1.50 27 84.37 4.69 5.56 U$A 36 1.95 30 83.33 5.42 6.50 WDC&S* 68 6.95 68 100 10.22 10.22 U$* 68 6.95 68 100 10.22 10.22 Now let's get data from other countries and expand this table, don't you think so to ? I will be going on a four week vacation now however so I can't see your replies until I get back. Have a nice summer everyone ! Ola in half sunny Stockholm +17 and a little windy From Halvor_Sandven at no.mailandnews.com Fri Jul 13 09:34:25 2001 From: Halvor_Sandven at no.mailandnews.com (Halvor Sandven) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 03:34:25 -0400 Subject: New Scarpa story and more... Message-ID: <3B9AD79F@MailAndNews.com> David wrote: "One reason it was chosen to appear in this particular publication was that the Spring, Summer, and Autumn Reading sections of the Weekly ha= ve to be 32 pages or less. There are a fairly limited number of "vintage" 19= 50s and early-1960s Scarpa stories that (A) haven't already been in the pocketbooks and (B) are that short." I see the problem with longer stories, but isn't it possible to have the stories published over two weeks? It's a shame that all these older, long italian stories can't be published. There are also several other artists than Scarpa that made very good stuff. What I really would like, is a Scandinavian publication in pocketbook-format that publish older, italian stories. Any chance for this? Halvor ------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE web-based e-mail and newsgroup access at: http://MailAndNews.com Create a new mailbox, or access your existing IMAP4 or POP3 mailbox from anywhere with just a web browser. ------------------------------------------------------------ From esar77 at hotmail.com Fri Jul 13 19:09:00 2001 From: esar77 at hotmail.com (Sanna Rosenvall) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 20:09:00 +0300 Subject: What is the price level for Disney comics in variuos countries ? Message-ID: To be more detailed, Aku Ankan taskukirja (Donald Duck pocket book) is published about 19 times per year: new book 13 times/year, reprinted book from older one 5 times/year and extra number 1/year. I'm not sure if they publish an extra number every year... Sanna Rosenvall south-western Finland: +16*C and rain _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From Ritmic at aol.com Sat Jul 14 10:17:47 2001 From: Ritmic at aol.com (Ritmic@aol.com) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 04:17:47 EDT Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #585 - 18 msgs Message-ID: <7f.17263114.28815a2b@aol.com> Hi Is it possible to NOT get the digests in a MIME file? Please e-mail off list as the MIME digests are no good to me. thanks in advance! Michael Feldman ???????????????????????????The Go Happenin' Home Page ? ????????????????( http://hometown.aol.com/ritmic/myhomepageindex.html) ****************************************************************************** ? ? "A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any invention in human history -- with the possible exceptions of handguns and tequila." ? ? ? ? --Mitch Ratliffe, _Technology Review_ April 1992 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20010714/3613015e/attachment.html From mnaiman1 at home.com Sun Jul 15 06:29:03 2001 From: mnaiman1 at home.com (Michael Naiman) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 21:29:03 -0700 Subject: Looking for an issue or two Message-ID: <3B511C07.7CD79101@home.com> Hi all... my last free moment before the San Diego show starts this week ..... anyone in Germany have the MICKY MAUS issues that contain the GUARDIANS OF THE LOST LIBRARY ? I have issue #23 dated 1-6-94... but I need the earlier single issues... will trade, purchase or ?? chances are they will not be showing up at this show...... Thanks! From timoro at hotmail.com Sun Jul 15 13:11:55 2001 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:11:55 +0300 Subject: San Diego Souvenir Book Message-ID: Hi! Could someone, who is attending to San Diego Comicon, check out if my Barks-tribute drawing is possibly published in Souvenir Book? And it sure would nice to get one then. Anyway, I'm not sure if they accept European comic artists in their Souv. Book(?), but I did sent my picture there... Thanks! Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kylä 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ¨¨ Personal: http://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/timoro/ ¨¨ Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://welcome.to/ankistit ................................. "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From acsive at mail.mira.dk Sun Jul 15 14:06:16 2001 From: acsive at mail.mira.dk (Anders Christian Sivebaek) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:06:16 +0200 Subject: Like fun you are! Message-ID: <200107151205.f6FC5mo29500@mail.mira.dk> Hi friends Reading some of the latest US-comics by Barks (among others doom diamond). I fell over that expression. Like fun - today we might use the word hell in such a connection. I guess it was very used around the time when the stories were made. A. C. Sivebaek acsive at mail.mira.dk From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sun Jul 15 19:09:56 2001 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 19:09:56 +0200 Subject: Barks items (010715) Message-ID: <20010715165525.AA9587C19@hirogen.kabelfoon.nl> Links to rare/original/unpublished Barks items. I don't have any connection with the sellers or the sites. If you've seen other rare/original/unpublished items, I hope you'll post them to the list as well. Information is taken from the sellers' descriptions, unless otherwise noted. ("DvE") Items at Ebay (http://www.ebay.com): - - - - - - - SCROOGE MCDUCK IN MONEY BIN SIGNED CARL BARKS Item # 1165265655 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1165265655 GENUINE "HAND-PAINTED" PRODUCTION CEL setup produced by the Walt Disney Studios. HAND-SIGNED BY "THE" MAN HIMSELF "CARL BARKS". No Tax, Double Matted and Professionally Framed. "Scrooge McDuck in the Money Bin". The production cel is from the Disney series Duck Tails and is set up with the famous and most collectible "Money Bin". Hand-signed on the cel by the "creator" of Scrooge McDuck, Carl Barks (Mr. Barks has since past away). A terrific highly collectible scene. Less than a hundred of these setups are known to exist. Each unique and one of a kind. A great scene like this signed by the creator of the character could sell for several thousand $$$ at a well advertised auction. WOW!! WHAT A DEAL YOU HAVE HERE!! Framed size approx. 18" X 21". Quality framing done by Disney to complement the art. NOTICE to "EVERYONE" looking at this auction. This auction is the direct result of Production Art no longer being offered directly from Disney. We are posting our collection, purchased directly from Disney, on eBay because our supply of art will no longer exist. As of "now" Disney is returning any production art left at their sales division (Walt Disney Art Classics) to the divisions that they came from for storage, (Feature Film, Television, Archives, etc.). Some of the production art will be destroyed to preseve the integrity of the production art already on the market. Disney Production Art is sure to appreciate on the secondary market because of this withdrawl of merchandise. CLICK ON "VIEW SELLERS OTHER AUCTIONS" TO SEE OUR OTHER DISNEY PRODUCTION ART AUCTIONS..ALL CLASS "A" IMAGES HAND SELECTED BY THE GALLERY OWNER........ [...] ON WITH THE AUCTION......REAL PRODUCTION ART FROM THE WALT DISNEY STUDIOS. THE WORLD'S MOST FAMOUS STUDIOS FOR ANIMATION ART. ALL OTHER STUDIOS PALE IN COMPARISON AND IN COLLECTIBILITY. This cel is a genuine hand-painted production cel that was photographed in the making of a Walt Disney Animation film. Genuine Disney seals on the cel and Disney Certificate of Authenticity posted on the back of the framed cel (certificate does provide information on the film the cel is from). We are one of only a handful of Walt Disney Preferred Galleries that "were" authorized to purchase production art directly from the Walt Disney Studios. This cel is priced at the "minimum issue price" set by Disney. You won't see anything like this for less money. Only for a lot more, especially in the months to come. Dare we say the word "investment". In this case I think we can. This cel is certainly worth much more than what we're asking. Here's maybe your once in a lifetime chance to acquire a fantastic fine art collection of Disney Production Art at the lowest price ever. Disney Sericels and Hand-Painted limiteds will also be no longer available from Disney as of Feb. 15th. If your interested in any of these before they're gone you can find them on our web site (see logo above). - - - - - - - BARKS COLLECTOR #35 CARL'S PERSONAL COPY! Item # 1166861763 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1166861763 This lot was acquired at Carl's estate auction !!MINT 1986 THE BARKS COLLECTOR #35 10th ANNIVERSARY ISSUE... CARL BARKS PERSONAL FILE COPY !!! THIS BOOK IS IN AMAZING SHAPE, MINT! IT HAS CARLS FAMOUS STAMP "THIS COMIC IS THE PERSONAL FILE COPY OF CARL BARKS ANYONE ELSE POSSESSING THE BOOK HAS STOLEN IT." STAMPED ON THE COVER!(SEE SCAN) AN AMAZING LOT OF MEMORABILIA FROM THE LIFE OF A GREAT MAN & ARTIST. THE AUCTION WAS HELD IN GRANTS PASS,OREGON AT HIS HOME ON JUNE 30 2001 .I WAS ABLE TO ACQUIRE MOST OF HIS DRAWING & PAINTING UTENSILES & WILL BE PUTTING MANY UP ON AUCTION SOON! ALL ITEMS WILL COME WITH AUTHENTICATION FROM THE AUCTIONEER & COPY OF AUCTION RECIEPT. PLEASE SEE MY OTHER AUCTIONS FOR MORE GREAT ITEMS WITH NO RESERVES!!! - - - - [Other currently auctioned Barks Collectors items: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1167019982 Barks Collector No. 7 and 8. Scans of front covers only. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1167019468 Barks Collector No. 9. Scan of front and back cover. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1167019721 Barks Collector No. 29, 30 and 31/32. Scans of front covers only. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1167019743 Barks Collector No. 34 and 35. Scans of front covers only. Barks Collector Annual No. 1. Scan of front and back cover. Seller descriptions include publishing dates. DvE.] - - - - - - - Carl Barks Uncle Scrooge/Magica COLOR drawing Item # 1166365699 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1166365699 This is an original one of a kind signed COLOR sketch of Carl Barks's Uncle Scrooge and Magica DeSpell. This was a preliminary drawing done for his painting "I Wonder What My Fortune Cookie Says?" It shows Scrooge and Magica in the money bin with Scrooge about to get clobbered with a poof bomb. With his original paintings going for thouands and thousand of dollars this is certainly an afordable alternative and best of all it is in COLOR, which is certainly not what you usually see. Included is a COA from the Carl Barks Studio dated 1997 which attests to the fact that this drawing was part of the concept work for his oil painting and that one seldom sees Scrooge and Magica together. It has all the ingredients for a fabulous piece. It is in fine condition and Barks has signed it at the bottom. Please email me with any questions. [Mentioned email address is "hoppyc62 at aol.com", DvE.] - - - - - - - DISNEY DONALD DUCK ORIGINAL ART BARKS Item # 1166589847 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1166589847 Original Donald Duck Full Color Pencil One-of-A-Kind Original Artwork by Carl Barks This wonderful piece is titled:? "Airborne and Climbing"? It is an original pencil artwork by the legendary?Carl Barks On April 12, 1997, Walt Disney World celebrated Carl Barks' birthday in a BIG WAY. Carl, along with 200 of his closest friends, celebrated his 96th birthday with a "Duck" party and great collectibles. Carl produced 75 original drawings for the shindig and all of these one-of-a-kind original pieces sold out.? Regretfully, Carl passed away last summer and original pieces of this nature will become part of private collections in a very short time. The piece has been scanned for your review to included the actual image.? Image is approx. 9 3/4" x 12 3/4" and comes framed in gold leafed molding sized at 12 1/2" x 18 1/2" with UV Plexiglas as seen here. The back of the picture is sealed with a Carl Barks Studio label. The item has been signed in Carl's block style lettering on the corner of the drawing. The electronic scan of this piece does not do justice to the magnificence of Carl Barks' craft at 96 years of age! I am still in awe... Please e-mail if you have any questions! [No email address is mentioned. I'm not subscribed to Ebay, so I cannot request it by clicking on the "seller" link. DvE.] - - - - - - - CARL BARKS DON ROSA DISNEY FDC W/ORG ARTWORK Item # 1167036051 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1167036051 #33 OF 56 FINNISH FIRST DAY COVER WITH DON ROSA ORIGINAL SIGNED ARTWORK, ETC.!!! This Finnish First Day Cover is, by far, greater than ANY other offered on e-bay that includes ORIGINAL Don Rosa artwork, IS IN COLOR, and has not one, but TWO CHARACTER PROFILES!!! There are very unique features of this particular Finnish FDC that sets it apart and above ANY and all others you have seen or bid on! Appropriately, the country of Finland has chosen to honor the 50th anniversary of its top-selling DONALD DUCK Magazine with a colorful stamp issue on March 13 (Donald Duck's birthday), 2001, depicting 1 Donald Duck image by Carl Barks and 2 Duck portrayals by Don Rosa on a very colorful "souvenir sheet" and even more exquisite "First Day Cover" including a special pictorial commemorative Finnish postal cancellation as well as brightly colored printed "cachets" of Donald Duck on the cover front, and Huey, Dewey, and Louie on the reverse! (First photo shows front and back views) Two EXTREMELY UNIQUE FEATURES added to the depicted cover offered here are (1) A red U.S. Postal Service official postal cancel from Grants Pass, Oregon (Carl Barks' hometown) dated March 27, 2001 (Carl's 100th birthday) and (2) 2 finished and colored Don Rosa ORIGINAL head profiles of Uncle $crooge McDuck and Donald Duck (SEE OUR OTHER AUCTION FOR "Klondike" Scrooge, facing a "traditional" Scrooge with tophat), which add both artistic significance as well as collective rarity to these wonderful pieces! The cover has also been HAND-SIGNED by Don Rosa!(Second photo shows zoom of Don Rosa artwork added and signed!) There are a total of 56 First Day Covers in this entire LIMITED EDITION, ONLY 40 HAVE THE ORIGINAL DON ROSA ORIGINAL ARTWORK!!! However, at this time only 6 will be offered publicly through e-bay with all the others being privately placed/sold! The remainder of "unsold" covers will be offered on e-bay later this fall, IF ANY ARE LEFT! SIGNED, COLORED, and FINISHED ORIGINAL Don Rosa artwork is extremely scarce, and DEMAND IS HIGH, especially in Europe where Don and his exquisite work are especially highly regarded! This SIGNED and ILLUSTRATED Finnish Donald Duck First Day Cover is far superior to any other one you've seen sold on E-bay! COMBINING Don Rosa's original artwork with the centennial birthday postal tribute to Don's mentor, Disney Duck and Duckburg originator, CARL BARKS, is extraordinary indeed! Please direct any and all questions regarding details of this offering to revcorvette1 at yahoo.com as he will facilitate details of this offer! The RESERVE is MODEST for such a magnificent and limited piece of BARKS/ROSA/DISNEY DUCK History! - - - - - - - CARL BARKS DON ROSA DISNEY FDC W/ORG ARTWORK Item # 1167038873 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1167038873 [Description looks the same as that of the previous item, but there are some differences. Instead of putting myself into the task of finding and mentioning the differences, I've decided to quote this description, too. Use your scroll-button if you disagree. :-) DvE.] #34 OF 56 FINNISH FIRST DAY COVER WITH DON ROSA ORIGINAL SIGNED ARTWORK, ETC.!!! This Finnish First Day Cover is, by far, greater than ANY other offered on e-bay that includes ORIGINAL Don Rosa artwork, IS IN COLOR, and has not one, but TWO CHARACTER PROFILES!!! There are very unique features of this particular Finnish FDC that sets it apart and above ANY and all others you have seen or bid on! Appropriately, the country of Finland has chosen to honor the 50th anniversary of its top-selling DONALD DUCK Magazine with a colorful stamp issue on March 13 (Donald Duck's birthday), 2001, depicting 1 Donald Duck image by Carl Barks and 2 Duck portrayals by Don Rosa on a very colorful "souvenir sheet" and even more exquisite "First Day Cover" including a special pictorial commemorative Finnish postal cancellation as well as brightly colored printed "cachets" of Donald Duck on the cover front, and Huey, Dewey, and Louie on the reverse! (First photo shows front and back views) Two EXTREMELY UNIQUE FEATURES added to the depicted cover offered here are (1) A red U.S. Postal Service official postal cancel from Grants Pass, Oregon (Carl Barks' hometown) dated March 27, 2001 (Carl's 100th birthday) and (2) 2 finished and colored Don Rosa ORIGINAL head profiles of "Klondike" Scrooge, facing a "traditional" Scrooge with tophat (SEE OUR OTHER AUCTION FOR Uncle $crooge McDuck and Donald Duck facing each other), which add both artistic significance as well as collective rarity to these wonderful pieces! The cover has also been HAND-SIGNED by Don Rosa!(Second photo shows zoom of Don Rosa artwork added and signed!) There are a total of 56 First Day Covers in this entire LIMITED EDITION, ONLY 40 HAVE THE ORIGINAL DON ROsA ORIGINAL ARTWORK!!! However, at this time only 6 will be offered publicly through e-bay with all the others being privately placed/sold! The remainder of "unsold" covers will be offered on e-bay later this fall, IF ANY ARE LEFT! SIGNED, COLORED, and FINISHED ORIGINAL Don Rosa artwork is extremely scarce, and DEMAND IS HIGH, especially in Europe where Don and his exquisite work are especially highly regarded! This SIGNED and ILLUSTRATED Finnish Donald Duck First Day Cover is far superior to any other one you've seen sold on E-bay! COMBINING Don Rosa's original artwork with the centennial birthday postal tribute to Don's mentor, Disney Duck and Duckburg originator, CARL BARKS, is extraordinary indeed! Please direct any and all questions regarding details of this offering to revcorvette1 at yahoo.com as he will facilitate details of this offer! The RESERVE is MODEST for such a magnificent and limited piece of BARKS/ROSA/DISNEY DUCK History! - - - - - - - DISNEY'S CHRISTMAS CAROL CEL SIGNED BARKS Item # 1166796167 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1166796167 DISNEY'S CHRISTMAS CAROL CEL SIGNED BARKS This is an UNFRAMED original animation production cel. This cel was used in the 1983 production of Mickey's Christmas Carol. The cel features Scrooge McDuck lying in bed, waiting for the ghosts of Christmas past. AS AN ADDED BONUS, THE LATE DISNEY ANIMATOR CARL BARKS. - - - - - - - DONALD DUCK FC # 282 - CARL BARKS - SIGNED ?? Item # 1166772519 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1166772519 Donald Duck and the Pixilated Parrot by Carl Barks. THERE IS A Carl Barks autograph on the 1st page in green ink. As i did not see Barks sign this I do not know if it is authentic. Apparently the person I got this from didn't even know it was in there. PLEASE SEE THE CLOSE-UP IMAGE AND MAKE YOUR OWN DECISION. This is a nice looking low grade book. There is spine and edge wear with small tearc,chips and creases. Several small pen marks. The inside of both covers have several pieces of tapeWill make a nice addition to any collection. - - - - - - - CARL BARKS&WALT KELLY in OUR GANG COMICS#8 Item # 1165801487 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1165801487 OUR GANG COMICS # 8 in about good- condition. This is one of the One Staple books from the war years. (Dell Comics Publishers-November 1943 issue).Cover and centerfold are both loose at staple and there?s some wear at spine. This is the issue that starts CARL BARK?S ?BENNY BURRO? series which ended at #36. I think that the BARNEY BEAR story inside is by WALT KELLY also. Rare in any condition and both Barks and Kelly in the same book. ["This is one of the One Staple books from the war years"? Which are the others? DvE.] - - - - - - - - Daniel From apantsio at ac.anatolia.edu.gr Tue Jul 17 13:14:30 2001 From: apantsio at ac.anatolia.edu.gr (Dr. Archontis Pantsios) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:14:30 +0300 Subject: MIKY MAOUS & MEGALO MIKY References: <200107161002.MAA18819@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <00cf01c10eb1$a6fec800$6c2ddbc2@anatolia.edu.gr> Fellow Quackeroos: Your Greek e-kiosk is once again at your service! 1) MIKY MAOUS #1825, July 6, 2001 a) "Alla ricerca della pietra zodiacale: per qualche scellino di piu", (Part 3), from "Topolino" #1782, 1990 (30 pages). Script: Bruno Sarda; Art: Massimo De Vita 2) "Brigitta Star Della Diretta", from "Topolino" #2193, 1997 (25 pages). Script: Paola Mulazzi; Art: Ottavio Panaro 3) Clarabell Cow in "A Ride in the Country" (9 pages). Story code and creators unknown. 4) "Oggi lavoro io: Paperino falegname", from "Topolino" #2251, 1999 (6 pages). Script: Carlo Panaro; Art: Michele Mazzon 2) MEGALO MIKY #407, July 2001 a) "Alice in Wonderland", comic-book adaptation of the 1951 Disney cartoon classic, A.W.O.S. #331 (33 pages). Script: Del Connel; Art: Riley Thomson b) Uncle Scrooge in "L' impronta di Zampalunga", S-75153, from AT #236, 1976 (18 pages). Script: Carl Fallberg; Art: Giovan Battista Carpi. c) Goofy in "The Trouble-maker", S-84006 (11 pages). Creators unknown. d) Fethry Duck in "Lost in the Desert", S-72056 (8 pages). Script: the Disney Studio; Art: Tony Stobl. Your Greek e-kiosk will be on hiatus for a few weeks--it's time to find a beach and enjoy the summer! Cheers, Archontis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- Archontis L. Pantsios, Ph.D. Assistant Academic Dean & Associate Professor of Economics The American College of Thessaloniki Thessaloniki, GREECE tel.: +30 31 398 228 From joachim.butz at freenet.de Sat Jul 7 22:20:40 2001 From: joachim.butz at freenet.de (Joachim Butz) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 22:20:40 +0200 Subject: Harry Fluks: Luxemburg In-Reply-To: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522044BF9CA@l04.research.kpn.com> Message-ID: > When exactly is that Luxemburg convention? Hi Harry, this convention is the '8e Festival International de la Bande Desinee'. it takes place in Contern on 14 & 15 July 2001. joachim ----------------------- Joachim Butz Ruggerstr. 27 70569 Stuttgart 0711/6871245 jbutz at gmx.net From jyaciuk at hotmail.com Tue Jul 17 22:41:00 2001 From: jyaciuk at hotmail.com (jeff yaciuk) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:41:00 -0500 Subject: Hello Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20010717/7ccb9467/attachment.html From acsive at mail.mira.dk Wed Jul 18 19:46:27 2001 From: acsive at mail.mira.dk (Anders Christian Sivebaek) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:46:27 +0200 Subject: Holland Message-ID: <200107181815.f6IIFJ281214@mail.mira.dk> Hi friends As told I've recently been in Holland. I don't want to talk much about transportatation cause it's more cheap than fast to go to Holland by route-bus... Well, I arrived in Groningen at 9 saturday morning. Because of the ducth train-system Duco didn't arrive at the main station before some minutes later. Then we went to the store were Duco works. And to the market, and back again to open the store. It's a nice comic-store named after a dutch comic charecter Ambrosius. I browsed around all the comics for some time, finding this and that album, magazine and pocket book that I would like. I found some thick Duck-books and some weeklies, and got the preview of the coming publications form VNU and such. Customers came and went, and they all talked dutch about comics. At 1 pm the owner of the store arrived. He was a nice and friendly person, and talkative all 3 times we visitted the store. After some talking Duco and I went to buy some things to eat in the week. After fetching the stuff we took the train to Duco's part of time. and went to Duco's house. I know Duco was very happy about the things that made my bags heavy. Scarpa, an old Milton comic, quite a stack of norwegian Rosas and the newest danish Rosas. I'm starting to realise I should have made a diary (in the notebook that I lost?) or written this earlier, cause I can'?t part days from eachother. Every day was nice, reading comics, talking to eachother, going out to eat a pizza (twice) and such. Before more writing of comic stores I do remember what happened Sunday. - I've known Harry Fluks via email and this list since 1998, but untill that sunday I hadn't meat him. But then, the bell rang and I did. We had a nice evening talking, changing comics and looking at the interesting thing Duco has. Allready at this time, my bags started to gain weight again, cause Harry had brought with him the new holiday-book (with a nice story about Donald a a peanut-seller and Scrooge losing his money), a stack of german doubles - many of those with Rosa, some ducth doubles and two Advance-things that first didn't attract my interest. Later when I found out they had a parted Rosa-interview from the beginning of the 90'es I got really interested. And later when I read the interview, I exclaimed: That's the best interview with Don that I read (becuase of certain things stated there). Harry brought his camera, and so did I, so we had some fun taking photoes of the 2/3 of us in interesting places. On Harry's photo-page you can, so far, see the photoes Harry took (on pic. 3 my camera is shown). I really had some problems with the zoom! The green "too-close-indicator" seemed to blink all the time. In a couple of days I'll get my photoes back from the developer and scan them - Harry will show some on the same page. The talking went on, about certain Barks-stories, ducth reprints, editors, indexes and such. Unfortunately Harry is allergic (to cats, and Duco has 2/3 of them) so he had to leave, even though he thought the cats were nice. I have allergy too, but luckily not towards cats, and these ones I really liked. My grass-allergy was hard on me some of the days. One of the following days we went on the big round of comic-shops where I found many things. Holliday-books with Rosa-stories, weeklies with Milton-stories and backcovers (from 1991). In the store where those weeklies lied around, many in dreadfull state, Duco claims he was in life danger because of boxes moving above head-hight! Yikes... Luckily he got out alive and healthy, and brought me a stack of DD Extras with Rosa-stories. Duco also found some Scarpa in german pocket-books for himself here (some looked like the ones I once found for Ole:-) In the store were Duco works I found some more Milton backcovers, and later Duco saw to it that my DD 1991 is complete. I hope it's easy to replace those comics you took out, Duco! Now, let me thank Duco for his great company, make him say hello to the cats from me, and also thank him for unlimeted access to his huge collection of comics that he likes. (Barks Library, complete Rosa-collection and many many other things). Thanks for coping with my company:-) Thanks also to Harry for meeting me there, and for making sure my bags were just as heavy when I went home as when I got there. And thanks to A'dam Police for advicing me to stay at Shiphol (A'dam Airport) for the night, as the trains didn't fit for the morning - I had a good night there. Your travelling Mac (reference to Muppet's Fraggles - whereever that came from) A. C. Sivebaek acsive at mail.mira.dk From Willot.Francois at ec-lille.fr Thu Jul 19 10:22:08 2001 From: Willot.Francois at ec-lille.fr (Francois Willot) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 10:22:08 +0200 Subject: Pedrao Message-ID: <2B516F17D00DD311AF4700A0C9E1F7A620C330@panic.ec-lille.fr> Fernando Ventura sent me a realistic version of Pedrao, Z? Carioca's friend by the designer Renato Munhoz. I'll upload more Brazilian rarities in the future. Thank you, Fernando. http://www2.ec-lille.fr/willot/coa/div/des.uk.php Francois From e_halinen at hotmail.com Thu Jul 19 20:19:07 2001 From: e_halinen at hotmail.com (Eero-Pekka Halinen) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 21:19:07 +0300 Subject: Manga Duck Message-ID: I wonder if any of you have read the story wich was in the newest Aku Ankka magazine here in Finland (from some other comic-magazine, I mean). It was a manga-version of Barks's -Something Fishy Here- (?). Usually I find manga as a great type of comic, but, in my humble opinion, it didn't work in a duck comic. It goes on too slowly and the panels are in strange places (for occidental people, at least). I think that it was a nice "how would it work" kinda thing, but it wouldn't work in Japan (with the ducks) and neither in here. What do YOU think? respects, Eero-Pekka _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Fri Jul 20 10:14:11 2001 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:14:11 +0200 Subject: Manga Duck Message-ID: <001201c110f3$f5958a00$d9d6fdc1@obdesktop> Hello Eero Pekka-- and everyone! >>It was a manga-version of Barks's -Something Fishy Here- (?). I have seen mangas but can't imagine what this may look like. Could you scan a page or explain how it looks like, please? Best summer wishes, Olivier From acsive at mail.mira.dk Fri Jul 20 17:52:10 2001 From: acsive at mail.mira.dk (Anders Christian Sivebaek) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 17:52:10 +0200 Subject: Re 610 Message-ID: <200107201827.f6KIRtV36326@mail.mira.dk> Eero-Pekka Halinen > I wonder if any of you have read the story wich was in the newest Aku Ankka > magazine here in Finland (from some other comic-magazine, I mean). It was a > manga-version of Barks's > -Something Fishy Here- (?). Usually I find manga as a great type of comic, > but, in my humble opinion, it didn't work in a duck comic. It goes on too > slowly and the panels are in strange places (for occidental people, at > least). I've not seen the exact issue or the story, but I've seen 4 or 5 other manga-style disney comics in japenese and german. > I think that it was a nice "how would it work" kinda thing, but it wouldn't > work in Japan (with the ducks) and neither in here. What do YOU think? I do think ti works for the japanese. I don't know if the magazine still published overthere, but I have no. 7 from 1999. It's in b/w cause colors are for kids overthere. The german comic was an adaption of Barks' Rainmaker story, and I mentioned it here some long time ago. Editor of the german weekly, Mr Stahl told us that the readers like the stories. And that's good enough for me - as long as noone forces *me* to read them. But now, I guess it's a question of time before we see the stuff here, and the kids will like it, as they like the monthly paperinik-magazine (?) AC From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sat Jul 21 19:16:35 2001 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 19:16:35 +0200 Subject: Barks items (010721) Message-ID: <20010721170159.20CAE7C03@hirogen.kabelfoon.nl> Links to rare/original/unpublished Barks items. I don't have any connection with the sellers or the sites. If you've seen other rare/original/unpublished items, I hope you'll post them to the list as well. Information is taken from the sellers' descriptions, unless otherwise noted. ("DvE") Items at Ebay (http://www.ebay.com): - - - - - - - Carl Barks Original Cover Art, Uncle Scrooge Item # 1168849061 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1168849061 Carl Barks: original pre-drawing for cover of Uncle scrooge No. 70, "The Doom Diamod), from 1966. This original drawing is in blue and black pencil. It is 18,5 x 26cm on larger size paper and signed by Carl Barks. The drawing comes together with the comic book. [Contains link to "http://www.originalart-and-prints.de/", where more original Barks art can be seen/bought. "Seite 2" contains a larger picture of the above "Doom Diamond" cover pencil. "Seite 5" contains an alternate pencil version. There are also cover pencils for DD 126 ("Officer For A Day", the design that was used at that time) and WDC 289 (Bolderbast shooting an arrow through Donald's pancake). Because of the site's structure, I cannot link to the material on the site. DvE.] - - - - - - - DISNEY CEL signed CARL BARKS Item # 1168206820 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1168206820 This is a hand-painted production cel of Donalds Nephews from the 1960's. It has been personally signed by Carl Barks. - - - - - - - CARL BARKS DISNEY UNCLE SCROOGE DRAWING Item # 1168205088 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1168205088 This is a hand-drawn pencil sketch done and signed by the Duck master, Carl Barks. It's done on vellum, Scrooge is 4 in. tall. This was purchased from the Carl Barks Gallery. - - - - - - - CARL BARKS DISNEY DONALD DUCK DRAWING Item # 1168202837 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1168202837 This is a hand-drawn pencil sketch done and signed by the Duck master, Carl Barks. It's done on vellum, Donald is over 5 in. tall. This was purchased from the Carl Barks Gallery. - - - - - - - UNCLE SCROOGE CARL BARKS 50TH WATCH Item # 1169319583 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1169319583 THE IMAGE FOR THIS WATCH IS FROM THE FIRST APPEARANCE OF SCROOGE MCDUCK IN 1947...THIS WATCH WAS ONLY AVAILABLE AT THE UNCLE SCROOGE 50TH BIRTHDAY EVENT HELD AT WALT DISNEY WORLD IN 1997. THE REVERSE OF THE WATCH SAYS " HAPPY 50TH BIRTHDAY UNCLE SCROOGE." IT HAS AN ETCHED CARL BARKS SIGNATURE.LIMITED EDITION DISNEY. 250 OF THESE WATCHES WERE MADE AND DISTRIBUTED AT THIS EVENT. - - - - - - - - Daniel From e_halinen at hotmail.com Sun Jul 22 15:32:36 2001 From: e_halinen at hotmail.com (Eero-Pekka Halinen) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 16:32:36 +0300 Subject: Manga Message-ID: >Could you scan a page or explain how it looks like, please? I can't scan it, because the only scanner I own is an old black/white hand scanner, wich is furthermore broken. And I have no access to any other scanners in summer. Sorry. But, I'll try to explain it as good as I can. If you've seen manga, you should about know how it looks like: Only a couple of panels in a page (with some expections), a little amount of text and quite distinct pictures (Don Rosa could never draw manga!). It goes on slowly, so there are more pages in this than the original. I don't know how to describe it... the panels are all over the page, not in a strict order (their shapes are sometimes weird too). This is all I can tell you about it. You would have to see it yourself. Eero-Pekka _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From pkannine at cc.hut.fi Sun Jul 22 16:07:10 2001 From: pkannine at cc.hut.fi (Petri Kanninen) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 17:07:10 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: Manga Ducks Message-ID: EERO-PEKKA & OLIVIER >>It was a manga-version of Barks's -Something Fishy Here- (?). >I have seen mangas but can't imagine what this may look like. >Could you scan a page or explain how it looks like, please? I scanned few pages at http://www.hut.fi/~pkannine/manga1.jpg http://www.hut.fi/~pkannine/manga2.jpg http://www.hut.fi/~pkannine/manga3.jpg I think the style is OK. You don't see much creative use of panels in Disney comics. There are some great ideas like the widening panels when US collects more and more fishes (manga1.jpg) or the panel with clock that says "two hours later" (manga3.jpg) when you usually get a small box in the corner of the panel. The story goes on pretty slowly (one page is used to show how US is shocked by the news of fish replacing money) but it doesn't bother me a lot. Hope we see more of these in the future. -- Petri Kanninen (pkannine at cc.hut.fi) Aku Ankan taskukirja -tietokanta: http:/www.perunamaa.net/taskarit/ "I went on a diet, swore off drinking and heavy eating, and in fourteen days I lost two weeks." -Joe E. Lewis From reimersholme at hotmail.com Sun Jul 22 17:32:46 2001 From: reimersholme at hotmail.com (Stefan Persson) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 17:32:46 +0200 Subject: Manga Ducks References: Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petri Kanninen" To: Sent: den 22 juli 2001 16:07 Subject: Manga Ducks > EERO-PEKKA & OLIVIER > >>It was a manga-version of Barks's -Something Fishy Here- (?). > >I have seen mangas but can't imagine what this may look like. > >Could you scan a page or explain how it looks like, please? > I think the style is OK. You don't see much creative use of panels in > Disney comics. There are some great ideas like the widening panels when US > collects more and more fishes (manga1.jpg) or the panel with clock that > says "two hours later" (manga3.jpg) when you usually get a small box in > the corner of the panel. The story goes on pretty slowly (one page is used > to show how US is shocked by the news of fish replacing money) but it > doesn't bother me a lot. Hope we see more of these in the future. Does anyone know where I might find those stories in Japanese? I don't understand a word of the Finnish ;) Stefan From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Sun Jul 22 19:24:54 2001 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:24:54 +0200 Subject: Manga Ducks Message-ID: <002501c112d3$39837340$851efbc1@obdesktop> Hello! Erro-Pekka: >> I can't scan it [...] Sorry. No problem. Well, waddaya know? What do I see in the next message?... Petri Kanninen: Thanks a lot for the scans! The first page (finding the newspaper) is weird: first, IMO, there are to many wordless panels; then, oddly enough, the dialogue looks weird. I think it's a matter of striking the exact balance, just like the extreme facial expressions we discussed a while ago regarding an Italian artist whose name I can't remember: wordless panels & extreme poses should be used sparsely. As regards the former, though, I think it works better when there really is not dialogue at all, as in the first widenning panels and several of Taliaferro's strips. I like the widening panels too, though there's too much blank int he background; maybe they could put a heap of fish or something; it looks unfinished. The clock panel is too large: there ought to be some background. (As Uncle Scrooge might say: "Think of all the costly space lost and of the even costlier red ink used!" ; ) Finally, why this remake? Is it the first story of that kind? Has he done others, and are they remakes as well? And in this case, cutting out the dialogue and turning the original strip into an almost speechless one kind of looks like dumbing it down and stripping it off of the "useless", "difficult" dialogues to appeal to children who can't read well, which is rather frightening. Also sounds like appropriating another artist's work. Not that I think that's what he maliciously intended (stealing Barks' work and getting the credit for another one's good ideas); but what's the point of re-drawing it? This kind of experiment could have been made with an original story. Best things, Olivier warmer in Paris, now (27 they say) From fernandopventura at uol.com.br Mon Jul 23 01:28:58 2001 From: fernandopventura at uol.com.br (Fernando Ventura) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 20:28:58 -0300 Subject: Help to identify a story... Message-ID: <003a01c11306$249ec140$a9f0bfc8@com.br> ...it's a D-coded story, I think, published without code in 1990 here in Brazil, on Margarida #113..., 12 pages, 4 tiers. The heroes are Donald and Gladstone. Huey, Dewey and Louie appear too. I'm not sure about the drawer...Torres maybe, I don't think it's Vicar...unfortunately I'm not with my scanner! I'm indexing some missing issues on Arthur Faria's collection, so it's possible I ask about some others stories on the future! :) On this story, Donald and Gladstone rent the same chalet on the hills without knowing that and divide literally the chalet in half. Both of them rent the things inside their half of the chalet to each other, till Donald puts a ratchet on the division the set in the middle of the chalet. Then Donald blows the pipes at Gladstone's side and doesn't have a quarter to go back to his side and leave the chalet, since he used the phone at Gladstone's side to call the plumbers. In the end the chalet is filled up with water and both of them get arrested, and the police guys divide the cell in half. Very funny story on my oppinion! Specially this thing of putting a ratchet on the midlle of the house! :) Ah, special thanks to my friend Andr?, that helped me to translate the story's description to english! Fernando!(soemone with serious translation problems...yet!) From frspreaf at tin.it Mon Jul 23 01:56:09 2001 From: frspreaf at tin.it (Francesco Spreafico) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 01:56:09 +0200 Subject: Help to identify a story... References: <003a01c11306$249ec140$a9f0bfc8@com.br> Message-ID: <005d01c11309$f9bb0020$04360f97@p7v7n9> From: "Fernando Ventura" > On this story, Donald and Gladstone rent the same chalet on the hills > without knowing that and divide literally the chalet in half. Lemme guess ;-) "At? que a sorte os separe"? (in Brasil already published in PD 1730) D 5864 12 BBo Divided We Stand [hero:DD,GL] [xapp:DD,GL,HDL] [desc:a house divided] -- Francesco From HorizonHse at aol.com Mon Jul 23 02:37:25 2001 From: HorizonHse at aol.com (HorizonHse@aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 20:37:25 EDT Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #612 - 1 msg Message-ID: In a message dated 7/22/01 3:08:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dcml-request at stp.ling.uu.se writes: << http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1168202837 >> Hi, Both the sketches mentioned in the last digest were done for the colored pencil drawings Carl did for his 96th birthday party at Walt Disney World. I believe both drawings are reproduced in Carl Barks Treasury, also done for the party. The wrist watch signed by Carl with a full figure Scrooge on the dial was Carl's gift to the dinner guests. Probably less than 300 were made, to be sure each guest received one. The wrist watch with the heads of Scrooge, Donald and the nephews was available for one day only at the watch store in the Disney-MGM Studios park on the day after the birthday party when Carl appeared in a parade honoring him and put his hand prints and signature in a block of cement in front of the Chinese Theater there. He also appeared at the animation gallery to meet fans and sign different items. According to the manager of the watch store, fewer than 30 of the watches were manufactured. An interesting feature of the preliminary drawing for the Doom Diamond cover is that the cover is marked "Walt Disney Productions" and drawing is stamped "Walt Disney Company," which wasn't used until the early 1980s. Any ideas about this? Was the drawing not done until after 1982 or simply not stamped with the copywrite information until it was sold, presumably in the 90s? There also are drawings by Don Rosa, William Van Horn and Patrick Block on ebay from time to time. Recently, there were two really unusual Rosa drawings on plastic comic book inventory dividers. At the moment, there are two first day covers signed and with drawings by Rosa, for anyone who's interested. Regards, William Price 236 West Portal #450 San Francisco From fernandopventura at uol.com.br Mon Jul 23 02:51:28 2001 From: fernandopventura at uol.com.br (Fernando Ventura) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 21:51:28 -0300 Subject: Francesco: Help to identify a story... Message-ID: <000d01c11311$9cb58c80$1a7bd3c8@com.br> Francesco: > On this story, Donald and Gladstone rent the same chalet on the hills > without knowing that and divide literally the chalet in half. Lemme guess ;-) "At? que a sorte os separe"? (in Brasil already published in PD 1730) Yes! That's it! As you can imagine, I don't have this "Pato Donald" issue...! The art of indexing is really difficult sometimes! :) Fernando! From skyrat13 at hotmail.com Mon Jul 23 04:38:10 2001 From: skyrat13 at hotmail.com (Becca Ridout) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:38:10 -0400 Subject: Manga Duck Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20010723/c42d9bf8/attachment.html From Stratocruiser at earthlink.net Mon Jul 23 05:06:56 2001 From: Stratocruiser at earthlink.net (Carey Furlong) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 20:06:56 -0700 Subject: San Diego Souvenir Book References: <200107161003.MAA18949@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <002f01c11324$8854e520$af33fea9@ugsolutions.com> > From: "timo ronkainen" > Subject: San Diego Souvenir Book > Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:11:55 +0300 > > Hi! > > Could someone, who is attending to San Diego Comicon, check out if my > Barks-tribute drawing is possibly published in Souvenir Book? And it sure > would nice to get one then. Anyway, I'm not sure if they accept European > comic artists in their Souv. Book(?), but I did sent my picture there... > > Thanks! > > Timo Hi, I just got back from the 2001 San Diego Comicon, and yes, your Carl Barks art submission was included in the souvenir book. Other art submissions done in memoriam to Carl included those from Scott Shaw!, Marc Nadel, Errol McCarthy, Ken Kramer, Michael A.S. Smith, Don Rosa (the money bid blueprints!!!) Roman Arambula, Joshua Quagmire, and yourself, Timo Ronkainen. I thought yours was one of the better ones. A number of text articles commemorating Barks' achievements were also in the souvenir book. This will be the first San Diego Comicon souvenir book I don't throw away. Carey Furlong, Huntington Beach, California 92647 USA From longtom at oeste.com.ar Mon Jul 23 05:53:56 2001 From: longtom at oeste.com.ar (Fabio Blanco) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 00:53:56 -0300 Subject: Manga Duck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: (hi becca) Sorry, I like the manga style, but any time I did see some occidental comic transformed to manga style, I did feel like a fail. I am thinking in Spiderman, but not the japanese version of the character but the comercial move make Marvel some years ago. I don't like much the italian style, (agree with becca this is not manga but italian style) I see very childish. If this have something of japanese style are because some close up, some reaction. I think in Donald, Scrooge and the rest of ducks like "Barks characters". They are not for me "Anything make money Diznee characters". I only can have faith in they if they have something of the Bark's spirit in them (like the Don Rosa's). Maybe with that bit of spirit in them, any style can be able. If you go to http://perso.wanadoo.fr/prad you'll find a lot of inspiring drawing of pastiches versions of Herge's Tintin... the best in realistic, or watercolor images... I respect the deep in other styles but I think that BARKS is yet the true way... :) Cheers evr'body Fabio Blanco **************** longtom at oeste.com.ar I did not really see what made the comic a manga style....I am a very big fan of manga, but the drawing style looked more Italian than Japanese to me. I did not like the scans very much, but that does not mean it is a bad idea. I think maybe a different artist should try it. Perhaps someone with a drawing style more like Rumiko Takahashi? That would be very different. I am persuing this mainly because I would find it very amusing if donald became SD/chibi every time he had a temper tanterum... rebecca See you Space Cowboy.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _______________________________________________ http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20010723/50c98a3a/attachment.html From kyrimis at cti.gr Mon Jul 23 12:57:04 2001 From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:57:04 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: Manga Ducks In-Reply-To: <200107231004.MAA28174@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: OLIVIER: > just like the extreme facial expressions we discussed a while ago > regarding an Italian artist whose name I can't remember: That was probably our discussion about Intini. Speaking about facial expressions, I noticed that Scrooge's face in these three scans is drawn exactly the same way in almost every panel. I found this extremely annoying. Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr) (WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis) ----- "Who am I to argue with me?" ----- From eldrichtpalmer at yahoo.com Mon Jul 23 15:49:02 2001 From: eldrichtpalmer at yahoo.com (Jason Bohr) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 06:49:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Disney comics in the US Message-ID: <20010723134902.1856.qmail@web20102.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Can anyone here tell me where I can find recent Disney comics? (I don't want any cheap, bad quality paper European comics, I want the high quality we have in America). Jason __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From longtom at oeste.com.ar Mon Jul 23 19:52:19 2001 From: longtom at oeste.com.ar (Fabio Blanco) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:52:19 -0300 Subject: Disney comics in the US In-Reply-To: <20010723134902.1856.qmail@web20102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: HEY! WHAT DISNEY COMICS YOU HAVE IN USA? I buy Picsou and is excellent. I wanna can buy KOMIX and AKU ANKKA any week! If we have NO AMERICAN DISNEY COMICS is because Uncle Walt make only BIG BUSINESS... That his name Walt Biznee... HAH! Fabio -----Mensaje original----- De: dcml-admin at stp.ling.uu.se [mailto:dcml-admin at stp.ling.uu.se]En nombre de Jason Bohr Enviado el: Lunes, 23 de Julio de 2001 10:49 a.m. Para: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se Asunto: Disney comics in the US Hi Can anyone here tell me where I can find recent Disney comics? (I don't want any cheap, bad quality paper European comics, I want the high quality we have in America). Jason __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Tue Jul 24 09:50:07 2001 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:50:07 +0200 Subject: San Diego Souvenir Book Message-ID: <001601c11415$420e80c0$ca2bfbc1@obdesktop> >>Don Rosa (the money bin blueprints!!!) IwantitIwantitIwantit ! ! ! Is there any way to order this souvenir book? Any way to contact the editors? Thanks for any information you may have. Olivier From arttu4 at hotmail.com Tue Jul 24 10:10:47 2001 From: arttu4 at hotmail.com (Arttu Salminen) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:10:47 +0300 Subject: "Cash Flow" and "The Lost Charts of Columbus" Message-ID: Does anyone have the English scans of Don Rosa's stories "Cash Flow" and/or "The Lost Charts of Columbus"? Arttu Salminen arttu4 at hotmail.com http://www.angelfire.com/comics/donrosa/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From kyrimis at cti.gr Tue Jul 24 12:41:26 2001 From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:41:26 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: Disney comics in the US In-Reply-To: <200107241002.MAA21677@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: JASON: > (I don't want any cheap, bad quality paper > European comics, I want the high quality we have in > America). Literally speaking, all Disney comics published in the US today are printed on paper of the highest quality, the likes of which we are not likely to see in Europe. Thus, I do not find your statement offensive at all. Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr) (WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis) ----- "The Malus is pure evil. Given enough energy it will not only destroy him, but everything else... Cheer up!" ----- From pkanninen at hotmail.com Tue Jul 24 14:07:02 2001 From: pkanninen at hotmail.com (Petri Kanninen) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 15:07:02 +0300 Subject: Manga Ducks Message-ID: OLIVIER: >The first page (finding the newspaper) is weird: first, IMO, there >are to many wordless panels; then, oddly enough, the dialogue >looks weird. I think it's a matter of striking the exact balance, I think it's nice to have a sequence of wordless panels. Gives me a funny, silent feeling in the head. It's like having a little break in the middle of a story. >I like the widening panels too, though there's too much blank >int he background; maybe they could put a heap of fish or >something; it looks unfinished. And again, I think it's nice and relaxing to have a blank background (although I wouldn't change a Rosa story for million billion of these stories). >The clock panel is too large: there ought to be some background. And yet again, I like the feeling of no-hurry it brings to the comic. >Finally, why this remake? Is it the first story of that kind? Has he >done others, and are they remakes as well? The original Barks story was printed in the same issue, so it was nice to compare the two stories. There was also an article explaning why and how this story was made. I can't be totally sure but I think first a Japanese artist made the Barks story manga-like and then some Egmont-artist inked it. Alas, I will see the article next time in two weeks, so I can't translate it. But there has been more of these stories, dozens if remember correctly, drawn when Egmont thought about going into Japanese market. KRITON: >expressions, I noticed that Scrooge's face in these three scans is >drawn exactly the same way in almost every panel. I found this >extremely >annoying. Hah, I didn't even notice that first. But now that you mention it: yes , it's very annoying. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From frspreaf at tin.it Tue Jul 24 18:43:46 2001 From: frspreaf at tin.it (Francesco Spreafico) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:43:46 +0200 Subject: Disney comics in the US References: Message-ID: <024401c1145f$f5c8a2e0$38021797@p7v7n9> From: "Kriton Kyrimis" > Literally speaking, all Disney comics published in the US today are > printed on paper of the highest quality, the likes of which we are not > likely to see in Europe. Thus, I do not find your statement offensive > at all. Uhm.... WHAT Disney comics do they print in the US today? ;-) Actually I can think only of one ("Atlantis") and its paper really sucks :-) -- Sprea ["I go online sometimes, but... everyone's spelling is ] [ really bad, and it's... depressing" ~ Tara, IWMTLY ] From kyrimis at cti.gr Wed Jul 25 12:12:45 2001 From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:12:45 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: Disney comics in the US In-Reply-To: <200107251003.MAA19822@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: SPREA: > Uhm.... WHAT Disney comics do they print in the US today? ;-) EXACTLY!!! ;-) Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr) (WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis) ----- "I am not here, don't worry!" ----- From martin_olsen at post.tele.dk Wed Jul 25 12:54:01 2001 From: martin_olsen at post.tele.dk (Martin Olsen) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:54:01 +0200 Subject: Disney comics in the US Message-ID: <000a01c114f8$1fd3be60$efabf9c3@amitech> >From: "Francesco Spreafico" >From: "Kriton Kyrimis" > >> Literally speaking, all Disney comics published in the US today are >> printed on paper of the highest quality, the likes of which we are not >> likely to see in Europe. Thus, I do not find your statement offensive >> at all. > >Uhm.... WHAT Disney comics do they print in the US today? ;-) > Well, there *is* a thing called Disney Adventures. The comics section of this digest sized magazine occasionally has a Disney comic, e.g. two pages of Buzz Lightyear and two pages of 102 Dalmatians in the April 2001 issue. Most of the comics published in Disney Adventures have non-Disney copyrights, though. Martin. From kyrimis at cti.gr Mon Jul 2 07:20:30 2001 From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 08:20:30 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: KOMIX #157 Message-ID: [ This message was much delayed because of technical problems and my vacation. Sorry! /Per ] Here's what's in the July issue of Komix: * Cover by Marco Rota. I've put a scan in http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis/pics/komix157.jpg * A two page letters column. In an inset there is mention of Don's birthday on June 29. * A two-page "news of Komix" article. Most noteworthy item is that a second Asterix movie, based on Asterix and Cleopatra, is being filmed, or, rather, was being filmed a few months ago. Italian artist Tanino Liberatore (sp?) is taking part in this movie. * Barks' "The Great Steamboat Race". * A one-page article titled "Chasing chimeras on the Missisipi", subtitled "Carl Braks in the lairs of Mark Twain and Rhett Buttler". * Marco Rota's "Il Premio Esotico" (D95139). * A two-page article titled "When heroes are in the mood for fun", subtitled "Superhuman powers, outrageous fun", on superhero parodies. It includes a sketch by Don, from the fanzine "Potpourri", revealing the real secret identity of Doctor Doom, the terrible enemy of the Fantastic Four. I've put a scan of that on http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis/pics/doom.jpg * Paul Murry's "The Cold Ray", from the March 1967 issue of Super Goof. Next month they'll be publishing Don's "The Vigilante of Pizen Bluff", and the issue will be 24 pages larger (and 200 drs. more expensive) to accomodate the first installment of Sergio Aragones and Mark Evanier's "Space Circus", which I still don't understand why they're publishing in this particular magazine. Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr) (WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis) ----- "The golden rule is that those with the gold make the rules." ----- From kyrimis at cti.gr Mon Jul 2 07:22:12 2001 From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 08:22:12 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: Interview from Komix #156 Message-ID: [ This message was much delayed because of technical problems and my vacation. Sorry! /Per ] Here is the translation of Don's interview in last month's issue of Komix. [As usual, comments in square brackets are my own.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ A Cowboy in the Pacific Don Rosa recounts to the readers of Komix the chronicle of the creation of what may possibly be the most explosive "Lost Chapter" of the Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck. *The Cowboy Captain of the Cutty Sark* is episode 3b of the _Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck_ and its place is between episodes 3 and 4, as it takes place during the time when young Scrooge was working as a cowboy at the hers of the (existing) Murdo McKenzie. I add a new episode with Scrooge's "old" adventures to this series once every one or two years. For this particular episode I decided to show Scrooge in a particularly interesting moment in time and in a particularly interesting place and, then, to find a way to bring him to that point. This time I wanted to send him to Java in 1883! IN QUEST FOR INSPIRATION Without having any idea about the plot of the story, I began doing some research and, as always, the idea for the plot was there. The most popular sport in Java, in 1883, as well as in the present, is the annual bull race on the island of Madura. And Scrooge had been working in the world's largest ox ranch of the time! That's the reason for which he found himself in Java in 1883! Some times it is terribly easy... this, however, does not happen often! And since Scrooge had to take a boat to Java, why not have him travel on the Cutty Sark, the most famous clipper in the world, which is, to this day, a great tourist attraction in England?! However... where was the Cutty Sark in the summer of 1883? It might have been impossible for it to be in Java at that time. Thus, I conducted an extensive search in the deck logs of the Cutty Sark! Here it is then! In the summer of 1883, the Cutty Sark was carrying a load of wool to Australia. This means that it could easily have made a detour to go by Batavia! No, the logs do not mention that it docked at Batavia... However, I challenge you to prove that it did not pass that way! I'm trying to say that it would have been much easier for me if I had decided not to use the Cutty Sark, a ship with a sail area totaling thousands of square meters and with ten kilometers of rigging... I had to draw all these in each panel! Ouch! CAPTAINS AND SULTANS Some readers have noticed that Captain Moor of the Cutty Sark has been inspired by Gregory Peck, _Moby Dick's_ Captain Ahab, in the movie version of the classic novel by Herman Melville, directed by John Huston. I admit that I had Gregory Peck's face in my mind, because the photographs and references to the character of captain Moor brought this particular movie to my mind. Perhaps John Huston, and his script write, Ray Bradbury, who later became the dean of science fiction, had also based their version of Captain Ahab on the stoic character of Captain Moor. Who knows? I also discovered that one of the captains of the Cutty Sark had a passion with photography and cameras... Could it have been his predecessor and mentor, who transferred this passion to him? Apart from this, as you can easily guess, the names and faces of the two sultans of Java are based on authentic data that exist only in traveling stories of the time, which I found looking through the archives of a local university. RESEARCH AND INSPIRATION Why all this searching, when most readers assume that all these are fictional stories, anyway? Simply because I'm enjoying it. And what I enjoy even more is that one day this story might be read by someone who is well versed in the history of Java and realizes that all these details are extremely accurate. All this work was done for the enjoyment of that one reader! And mine, that is! [signed] Don Rosa DON ROSA TALKS TO KOMIX OLD STORIES, NEW ADVENTURES *How did all this _Life and Times_ story begin*? Jack Chalkers [*please* correct my spelling], a science fiction writer, had once written his own version of the life of Scrooge, based on the information that he found in the first seventy issue of _uncle Scrooge_, which he titled _An Unofficial Biography of Scrooge McDuck_. I had read that text and I found it a wonderful story, a loving homage to the heroes of the great master, Barks. Anyway, I wasn't planning on doing something similar until the middle of 1991. Then my editors at _Egmont_ suggested that I would write a story cycle about the life of Scrooge McDuck. The rest is known. I wrote down all references to Scrooge's past which exist in Carl Barks' stories, put them in chronological order, which I then divided into twelve parts. I must mention that, initially, I wanted to have my story begin in 400 A.D., during the time of the siege of Adrian's wall, and to show that a McDuich (this is the ancient Celtic writing of the McDuck name) drove the Romans away and founded Scotland. *This would mean that Scrooge would have been a distant descendant of a distant descendant of a distant relative of Asterix!* I intended to continue this quest for the McDucks through the centuries, and to show a McDuck and his Stinginess being present in all the great moments of the history of Scotland. However, my editor, Byron Erickson, said that this series was not a story about the McDucks, but about a particular McDuck and that I had to limit myself to the life of that particular person. Perhaps, one day, these notes may be presented in a reprint of the _Life and Times_... Byron permitted me, however, to refer to some of Scrooge's ancestors who had already been mentioned in stories such as _The Old Castle's Secret_ (_Komix_ #37), so that I was able to include all the information about scrooge's life and family which was in Carl Barks' stories. *One of the "Lost Chapters" was written before you began writing Scrooge's biography...* Only one of the lost chapters, _Of Ducks, Dimes, and Destinies_, was written before the _Life and Times_. It was a story presented exclusively as a flash back and was about a very particular adventure from Scrooge's youth. At the time when I wrote this story, I had no fixed plans regarding the creation of a series, but the idea had already been in my head. I was thinking that a lot of time would be required for such a story. However, certain circumstances drove me to convince _Egmont_ to ask me or someone else to write such a story before this task was undertaken by someone else [who?] who would make a mess of things. *But why do you write stories about the past? Is it just a game with Barksian references?* In part, it was one of those games that kids who love comics enjoy (fanboy project). That is, to take all the vague and isolated references of Barks to Scrooge's past, connect them and try to talk about them within the framework of a single series of stories. For me, it was a game... or rather a large jigsaw puzzle. *It would seem that readers also liked this game a lot!* I never expected that so many readers would become excited, given that the references were rather dark, and the plot and action in the stories was strictly imposed by the facts which I had to cover and mention in each chapter. However, it seems that it was the most popular series of Duck stories which was published ever since Carl Barks retired. And these stories had a a special appeal to people who had never read Duck stories... I'm referring mainly to America. Many readers, through messages, either written or electronic, tell me that the stories in the *Life and Times* are their favorite. *But could they have also been an attempt to write a new kind of stories starring Scrooge?* Yes! This subject has a lot of fun, because in this stories with young Scrooge, I had to present a slightly different personality, and to place them in a different time, place, and historical context. The hero, however, must always be Scrooge. This is the beauty of the game. If I had wanted to write a story about Donald as a cowboy, I would have had to have him play some part in an imitation ranch. If I had wanted to show Donald meeting great figures in recent history, commanding a schooner carrying tea in the Indian ocean and looking for gold during the gold rush in the Yukon, I would have had to have him dream or play in some amateur theater group in Duckburg, or to find some other far-fetched explanation which would have removed all dramatic elements from the entire story. With Scrooge, however, things are different. I could write stories about the real Scrooge in the real world, not in some dream or in the theater. I can place him in all these situations, because, according to Barks and his work, he had actually been there! *How different is the young Scrooge of the Cutty Sark from the classic Scrooge*? He's quite different, and this is true for all the stories of the *Life and Times* cycle. Indeed, I had a very definite plan about these twelve particular chapters. Scrooge as a kid full of idealism and enthusiasm, who sets out to travel around the globe. Gradually, however, he changes, as he meets greed and villainy, as he loses what he has earned to fate and the "bad guys". He is subjected, however, to the loss of his family and to other misfortunes, which make him realize that he has gone beyond certain limits. After this, he retains his honesty and integrity... Despite all this, he is a very embittered hero. Finally, his meeting with Donald and his nephews in the twelfth chapter wakes up in him the spirit of adventure. His character changes and, finally, he becomes the Scrooge whom we see in the stories that take place in his present. He is always suspicious, but not bilious, he has an appetite for adventure, he can feel excitement and wonder again. However, all these are camouflaged, because of his desire for more money, which may or may not be just posing. He is no longer certain that his life is what it should have been, or what it should become one day. I don't think he is aware of internal conflicts. They exist, however, deep in his mind, and it is exactly for this reason that he wants, or even needs, the company of Donald and his nephews. Is this psychoanalytical blabbering enough? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr) (WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis) ----- "The golden rule is that those with the gold make the rules." ----- From Willot.Francois at ec-lille.fr Mon Jul 2 09:57:17 2001 From: Willot.Francois at ec-lille.fr (Francois Willot) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 09:57:17 +0200 Subject: Iliad Message-ID: [ This message was much delayed because of technical problems and my vacation. Sorry! /Per ] Armando, quoting Petri K.: >>At page 53 when Daisy comes to visit the island, she seems to be >>redrawn by Perego. That is at least in the Finnish version. I've made a >>scan of the page at: http://www.hut.fi/~pkannine/iines.jpg (207 kb) >>Is it same in every country? >Very likely so: the art is exactly the same as in the original edition >of the story. Before looking at the scan, I thought this to be one more >instance of Perego drawing a panel or two in order to "connect" the >different parts of the story for a "Classici di Walt Disney" reprint >(the story was originally published in "Topolino" as a 3-parter, with >title and splash page for every part). >However, page 53 was in the middle of the second part, therefore that's >not the case. Furthermore, at a closer look, you'll see that Daisy seems >to be drawn by Taliaferro, rather than Perego. Yes, I'm confident that this is a Taliaferro Daisy Duck. >My theory is that Bottaro (or, more likely, one of his assistants) >copied Daisy from a Taliaferro model sheet >http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/Fumetti/Cloni A model sheet, or directly from a strip. Speaking of re-used panels, I recently saw that Bottaro also used once again the same Barks drawing in I TL 375-A (Zio Paperone e la costosa eredit?), from the Barks ten-pager in WDC 214 (Paperino floricultore). Maybe Marco Barlotti can add this in his list of re-used Bottaro drawings. To Archontis and other fans of Italian stories: "La costos? eredit?" is one of the best short story by Bottaro. If you haven't read it, that's a story one could not miss. In the same appeal and by the same author, is "Paperino e il duello alla pistola" (I TL 279-A). **** SPOILER **** In the above story, a gang of crooks conduct a hold-up in a bank, and give the money to the same bank, opening an account. I recently read that something similar happened in Australia a few months ago. A person opened an account in a bank after robbing them. And I always though that Bottaro's story was great but impossible! Apparently we do try to find a reason for everything in comics while we don't in the reality, and accept things as they are... ***** END SPOILER **** Francois (http://www2.ec-lille.fr/willot/coa/c1/creator.php/0/LBo - new layout Many Barks panels are also shown in the page, see e.g.: http://www2.ec-lille.fr/willot/coa/c1/story.php/0/W+WDC++33-01 Images taken from Olivier's "Mice and Ducks" at http://ob7.free.fr/mouse_ducks/ ) From frspreaf at tin.it Wed Jul 25 15:03:28 2001 From: frspreaf at tin.it (Francesco Spreafico) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:03:28 +0200 Subject: KOMIX #157 References: Message-ID: <05de01c1150a$782484c0$71370f97@p7v7n9> From: "Kriton Kyrimis" > * Cover by Marco Rota. I've put a scan in > http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis/pics/komix157.jpg From John.Crocker at dvn.com Wed Jul 25 21:33:46 2001 From: John.Crocker at dvn.com (John Crocker) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:33:46 -0500 Subject: Disney comics in the US Message-ID: Hello, <> I am interested in the answer to this question, but also am in wonder of where and how I could possibly get a hold of foreign Disney comics (foreign to me that is since I live in the US) that are in English. I believe that the UK and Australia have some English publications and have heard that there may be some in Asia. Does anyone have any information about this? thanks, -john from Oklahoma where it is a perspirating 102 F (appx. 39 C) From agridiot at spidernet.net Thu Jul 26 22:04:02 2001 From: agridiot at spidernet.net (Agridiotis) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:04:02 -0700 Subject: Biquinho Message-ID: <001201c1160e$3758bc40$85899ac2@8944cjn72961> Hello DCML members. In some Brazilian stories Biquinho (fethry's nephew) appears. I have only one story of this character and i will be happy if anyone knows and send me the code of this story to see also the creator. In the story appears a code (B 880194) but INDUCKS haven's this code. Maybe it's wrong. That story says about Biquinho that goes to school and his teacher gives him a part. A frog. But he doesn't like that and he want's the role of king. But because the role of king is too small and frog in the end become prince he accept this role. But in this role he should kiss "Maria" (this is the translate in Greece" but he didn't want that. So he put a really frog to kiss "Maria". Thanks and bye! George Agridiotis, Nicosia - Cyprus E-mail: agridiot at spidernet.net Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/komixwebsite/ DCML member From kyrimis at cti.gr Thu Jul 26 13:08:33 2001 From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:08:33 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #616 - 7 msgs In-Reply-To: <200107261005.MAA24494@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: PER: > [ This message was much delayed because of technical problems and my > vacation. Sorry! /Per ] Just curious: I can understand why the long interview required your approval, in case it was spam or a copy of a digest, but why was my posting of the contents of the July issue of Komix delayed as well? Did it have something to do with it being posted at the same time as the longer posting? FRANCESCO: > ROTFL! This is really funny :-) I thought so, too, and I don't even know who Doctor Doom is! (Re: Komix' publishing the "Space Circus") > That's Dark Horse stuff... I don't understand it either. I have a nasty suspicion that this is only meant as a trick to keep the price of the magazine high until the end of the year, as the series will be published until November, and the December issue will probably be a more expensive Christmas special. When they convert to the euro next year, the price can then be higher than the long-forgotten price that Komix used to have until July, which few people will remember so that they can complain. :( Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr) (WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis) ----- "Sometimes everybody needs a little bit of pointless and inexplicable magic in their lives." ----- From thebeesong at yahoo.co.uk Thu Jul 26 15:10:25 2001 From: thebeesong at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Vic=20Pratt?=) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:10:25 +0100 (BST) Subject: Disney comics in the UK In-Reply-To: <200107261002.MAA24335@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <20010726131025.52287.qmail@web9608.mail.yahoo.com> Hello everybody With regard to John Crocker's enquiry about Disney comics in the UK...if it were only true...but there is nothing available here; except, I believe, a couple of glossy magazines which contain virtually no comics at all. With regard to the recent strand about the high standard of US comic paper...my Gladstones have all gone brown already, the paper was so cheap...but I would gladly have them printed on waste paper rather than not have any at all... Pip pip, chaps Vic ===== A FINE ELECTRONIC PORTMANTEAU OF COMICS AND CURIOSITIES AT: http://come.to/thefleacircus ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie From malines at iobox.fi Thu Jul 26 16:08:32 2001 From: malines at iobox.fi (Simo Malinen) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:08:32 +0000 (GMT+00:00) Subject: Disney Comics - long periode prices Message-ID: <4027210.996156512427.JavaMail.wls@webwl05> Because of the reasons such as inflation the value of money alternates. However there are ways to visualize how currences of different times corresponds by each other. By using different kind of correlation tables of currencies it is easy to calculate things such as: "If Uncle Scrooge had a dollar in year 1900, how much that dollar would be in today's money?" This is cheap fun, tables can be found from pocket calenders or from the internet. Now (back to the Disney comics) the list there below views: 1) the cover prices of the Finnish Disney comic weekly Aku Ankka 1951-2001. 2) the same cover price transformed into today's currency. All prices are in Finnish marks. Prices are from the first basic/standard issue of every year (Issues having expensive supplements are not counted) E.g. In 1951 the 1st issue costed 50 marks and that would correspond 7.75 (FIM) in today's money. (some 1.30 euros) Finnish weekly Aku Ankka 1951-2001: year: the cover price = in today's currency 1951: 50.00 mk = 7.75 mk (monthly) 1952: 50.00 mk = 7.45 mk 1953: 50.00 mk = 7.30 mk 1954: 50.00 mk = 7.30 mk 1955: 50.00 mk = 7.50 mk 1956: 50.00 mk = 6.75 mk ("bi-weekly") 1957: 50.00 mk = 6.05 mk 1958: 60.00 mk = 6.84 mk 1959: 60.00 mk = 6.72 mk 1960: 60.00 mk = 6.54 mk 1961: 60.00 mk = 6.36 mk (weekly) 1962: 60.00 mk = 6.12 mk 1963: 0.60 mk = 5.84 mk (zeroes removed) 1964: 0.70 mk = 6.18 mk 1965: 0.70 mk = 5.90 mk 1966: 0.70 mk = 5.68 mk 1967: 0.70 mk = 5.38 mk 1968: 0.80 mk = 5.66 mk 1969: 0.80 mk = 5.53 mk 1970: 0.80 mk = 5.38 mk 1971: 0.80 mk = 5.06 mk 1972: 0.80 mk = 4.73 mk 1973: 0.80 mk = 4.22 mk 1974: 0.80 mk = 3.61 mk 1975: 1.00 mk = 3.83 mk 1976: 1.50 mk = 5.01 mk 1977: 1.50 mk = 4.46 mk 1978: 1.80 mk = 4.97 mk 1979: 2.10 mk = 5.40 mk 1980: 2.40 mk = 5.52 mk 1981: 2.60 mk = 5.36 mk 1982: 3.10 mk = 5.83 mk 1983: 3.50 mk = 6.06 mk 1984: 3.90 mk = 6.32 mk 1985: 4.40 mk = 6.73 mk 1986: 4.80 mk = 7.10 mk 1987: 5.10 mk = 7.29 mk 1988: 5.40 mk = 7.34 mk 1989: 5.70 mk = 7.24 mk 1990: 6.00 mk = 7.20 mk 1991: 6.40 mk = 7.36 mk 1992: 6.70 mk = 7.57 mk 1993: 6.90 mk = 7.59 mk 1994: 7.50 mk = 8.18 mk 1995: 7.90 mk = 8.53 mk 1996: 8.50 mk = 9.10 mk (pages 32 -> 36) 1997: 8.50 mk = 9.01 mk 1998: 8.50 mk = 8.93 mk 1999: 8.90 mk = 9.17 mk 2000: 8.90 mk = 8.90 mk 2001: 9.50 mk At first sight it looks like the cover prices of the Finnish weeklies in the 50's and the 60's were quite stabile and started to raise heavily just after the mid-70's. But if comparing the prices in today's currency it turns out that actually the price lowered steadily from the 1950's until in 1975 it started to raise at moderate speed. At lowest state in 1974 the price was almost only one third of the weekly's price today. Sad but true: nowadays the price of the Finnish weekly Aku Ankka is highest ever. :( (- and what has changed since 1975? The 32-pager weekly has got advertisements four pages more and it is still being printed same kind of mid-quality-toilet paper as it was in 25 years ago) BTW - When Carl Barks created his famous stories in the 1940 - 60's all great US titles like WDC&S, US, DD, MM,... costed only 10 - 15 US cents a copy. How much that would be in today's currencies? - Simo _ _ _ Vastaa ja voita puhelin! Osallistu ioQuiz kilpailuun. Ohjeet saat t??lt? www.iobox.fi From liljerryandtheyadayadakiddz at yahoo.com Thu Jul 26 19:00:43 2001 From: liljerryandtheyadayadakiddz at yahoo.com (WL Lilly) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:00:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: To Gary And Sue: Thank You ! Message-ID: <20010726170043.41060.qmail@web12704.mail.yahoo.com> A belated thank you to Gary and Sue for their information on Gladstone's non-Disney doings . I , as I imagine you'd realize , wasn't belittling them - Given that this is (1) A Disney list , (2) Primarily made up of Europeans , I thought some additional explanations might be needed . As little as it was , I was ESPECIALLY glad to find out something about " Eek! The Cat " ! ( Which , since , after its initial run on Fox , it was , I believe , re-run on the - now to be bought by , as Don puts it , Di$ney - Fox Family Channel , makes it at least SORT OF Did.-connected , no ????????? ) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From liljerryandtheyadayadakiddz at yahoo.com Thu Jul 26 19:35:40 2001 From: liljerryandtheyadayadakiddz at yahoo.com (WL Lilly) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:35:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ( Sorta OT ) U.S. Comics Sales Message-ID: <20010726173540.34043.qmail@web12705.mail.yahoo.com> I just , yesterday , picked up a few-months-old copy of an Archie , 32-pages/$1.99 , comic , " ARCHIE & FRIENDS " #46 , Mar. 2001 cover date . It has a Publisher's Statement in it , which lists the paid circulation , of the most recent issue , over a one-year period , as...27,256 copies !!!!! That's all . For ALL of the U.S. ( inc. possesions , military bases , etc. ) , Canada , and , I suppose , whatever additional exporting of it there might be . That's , actually , a considerable IMPROVEMENT over the whole year - the average per issue for the last 12 months is 21,488 !!!!! Oy . Oy . Oy , oy , oy , oy , oy !!!!!!!!! Oy vey . Likewise , the ratio of copies printed against copies sold ( With the unsold copies - traditionally , anyway - being pulped/junked/destroyed , I hope they're recycled but I'm not sure that they are . ) , though , again , it's actually improved , there - the twelve-month average is 62,191 copies printed , while the most recent issue's 65,244 - the percentage of copies sold has gone up , in other words . Perhaps Archie sees the 32-pagers as a " Broadway "/" hard ticket "/" hardcover " first run to provide material for their digest titles ( They're the only US comics publisher that , particularly , does digests ! ) , which are very widely distributed - Their comics-shop sales aren't , as you might expect , particularly great . This DOES have relevance for the question of " how/can little child-oriented comic books/magazines sell , enough to make a profit , in the US/Canadian market of today ? , so this is , I would say , relevant to Disney - Are Archies distributed/reprinted very much in mainland Europe , anyway ? Perhaps they're a little too , peculiarly , American , or English-speaking culture-rooted , anyway . As I've mentioned , DC publishes a small number of kid-oriented comics , Cartoon Network?Warner Bros. cartoons-oriented titles like " SCOOBY DOO " , " DEXTER'S LABRATORY " , , the " POWDERPUFF GIRLS " , and " LOONEY TOONS " , plus , you may , or may not , want to count these TV cartoon-connected " simpler " versions of DC's superheroes , " SUPERMAN ADVENTURES " and " BATMAN GOTHAM ADVENTURES " , ( Probably to be joined soon by a Justice League title ! ) along with these . Viz , and Dark Horse , have some kid-oriented manga titles , " DRAGONBALL Z " , and " DIGIMON " , and the like , but , I'm not sure how widely distributed they are . Hey , aren't these " good paper... U.S. Disney comics " that have been referred to the Gladstone black and white album editions ? I've seen them listed in ( U.S. comics shops catalogue ) Previews , but haven't ordered them - No doubt , they're lovely for adult collectors/fans , but , that's hardly what would sell to little kids/their parents , and that is the economic base , at least in part , that would be needed for North American Disney traditional " comic-book " size , color , comics to be economically viable ! Re English-languaqge DisComics in general : I'd been told , at this board , or over at Yahh! , that it was not just the US/Canadian Mmarket , but the UK/Eire , and AU/NZ markets , that were all without Dis. comics at the moment !!!!!!! The entire " English-speaking , industrial , West " , in other words - It seems to have been indicated to me that the mainland European Disney publishers did some limited English publishing - I must go now , more later !!!!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From liljerryandtheyadayadakiddz at yahoo.com Thu Jul 26 20:27:45 2001 From: liljerryandtheyadayadakiddz at yahoo.com (WL Lilly) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:27:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ( Sorta OT ) U.S. Comics Sales II !!!!! Message-ID: <20010726182745.53548.qmail@web12704.mail.yahoo.com> ...( A tiny addition/clarification before I go on . First , I should've written " Yahoo! " , as in the Yahoo comic club Duck Comics Of Barks and Rosa , which sort of led to me coming here in the first place . Second , the Archie title I was referencing , funny enough , did not actually HAVE a cover date on the cover itself , just in the incida ( The small print on the inside of the comic - often , but not always , the first page - with legal/Post Office information - I might have spelled " incida " wrong , I just tried the spell check , but , as I expected , the spell-check seemed thrown by it . ) - This was a comic-shop copy , not a newsstand copy - Perhaps , the newsstand editions have a date on the cover ? ) ...Anyway , I was under the impression that some Euro-Disney comics publishers - mostly , French and Italian ? - did some limited amount of English publishing , mostly in special/commemmerative editions of classic stories ( and , some of Don's " Barksverse " stories ? )...but , that there was also an English-language quarterly - something secondary , in other words - from the French publisher , or similar to that . Also , I'd been told that an English-language Disney comic was being published in India ( Perhaps for distribution across the Commonwealth - in Asia/Africa/West Indies , I mean - as well ? ) , but that the publisher there wasn't prepared ( Or , allowed ? By their agreement with Disney , I mean . ) to deal with subscriptions to the West . Yesterday , at the comics shop I go to , here in San Francisco , ( Jeffery's Toys , at - Third ? - and Market , in the Hearst Building . ) I was telling the owner about this list . He's said he'd really like Disney comics in the U.S. to be publishing again . I told him of the , apparent , 100% English-speaking West shutdown...He was under the impression that Disney had been banned , or , at least , had it made difficult for Disney comics to be sold , in much of Europe . Oh , by the way , as far as " WDC&S "'s peak sales go , I recently saw a statistic that " MAD " magazine was selling well over 2 million per issue , at their circulation height , in the early 1970s , ( They're far less than that now . ) though I can't access the file where the article in which I saw the statistic is , just now . Of course , as the very term " magazine " indicated , post-50s " MAD " was printed , and marketed , a bit differently from " regular " comic books - It may well be less than pre-TV " WD " s peak , anyway ! ( NOTE: My statistics/etc. here are done without reference works handy , so , if any mistakes appear... You know what to blame !!!!! ) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From timoro at hotmail.com Thu Jul 26 21:40:06 2001 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:40:06 +0300 Subject: San Diego & Manga Ducks Message-ID: > 10. re: San Diego Souvenir Book (Carey Furlong) >Subject: re: San Diego Souvenir Book Ah, I'm back from one-week summer holiday without internet and going through 150+ messages.. (70% advertisements, luckily.. easy to handle with "delete" :-)) >your Carl Barks >art submission was included in the souvenir book Well, it's really wonderful to be in very good company: >Scott Shaw!, Marc Nadel, Errol >McCarthy, Ken Kramer, Michael A.S. Smith, Don Rosa (the money bid >blueprints!!!) Roman Arambula, Joshua Quagmire, >I thought yours was one of the better ones. Thanks! :-) About the Manga version of Barks' comic: IMO it was quite far from real manga-style. Only the lay-out was a little bit like in mangas. Otherwise it was quite ordinary Italian-style stuff. Which I don't like much (except few masters like Scarpa, Cavazzano, and such - Rota represents original American style, Barks-style). Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kylä 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ¨¨ Personal: http://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/timoro/ ¨¨ Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://welcome.to/ankistit ................................. "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From SRoweCanoe at aol.com Thu Jul 26 21:53:58 2001 From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe@aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 15:53:58 EDT Subject: San Diego & Manga Ducks Message-ID: In a message dated 7/26/2001 3:43:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, timoro at hotmail.com writes: > Ah, I'm back from one-week summer holiday without internet and going through > 150+ messages.. (70% advertisements, luckily.. easy to handle with "delete" > :-)) > gee, you need to get on some more mailing lists, I get more than that on a slow day! steven (speed reader) rowe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20010726/8605a473/attachment.html From fernandopventura at uol.com.br Fri Jul 27 01:04:43 2001 From: fernandopventura at uol.com.br (Fernando Ventura) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 20:04:43 -0300 Subject: Agridiotis: Brazilian Biquinho's story Message-ID: <001201c11627$78234ec0$e181e6c8@com.br> Agridiotis: >In some Brazilian stories Biquinho (fethry's nephew) appears. Yes...since he's a brazilian creation! 8) >I have only >one story of this character and i will be happy if anyone knows and send me >the code of this story to see also the creator >In the story appears a code (B 880194) but INDUCKS haven's this code. Maybe >it's wrong. Maybe it's not! This story is published on a "Disney Mix" comic, and some issues of it was not indexed yet! Probably it's a missing issue on Arthur Faria's colecction, but I have this comic and I remember the story...very funny! I really like's this thing of the real frog! Unfortunately my comics colection, and this issue in fact, was in my house in Aruj?...and I'm in S?o Paulo...but I remeber the artist, Irineu Soares Rodrigues...unfortunatelly I can't say nothing about the writter or the inker...! To make this SURE, I ask you to send me a scan, if it's possible, of some panels, or a page of the story! I hope my memory remains the same, since I'm now with 21 years old... ;) Fernando! (that really want's to do a Biquinho story one day!) From kyrimis at cti.gr Fri Jul 27 12:49:34 2001 From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:49:34 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #617 - 10 msgs In-Reply-To: <200107271004.MAA26363@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: VIC: > standard of US comic paper...my Gladstones have all > gone brown already, the paper was so cheap... Speaking of Gladstone paper, I have a soft spot for the kind of paper Gladstone used in their first few issues of their first run, which seems thicker and of better quality than what they used later. Can anyone confirm this, or is it purely subjective? Gary, can you shed some light into this? SIMO: The table you posted is very interesting! However, I have a few reservations about it, as it would seem to me that converting old prices to modern ones is a non-trivial task. How is this done? By adjusting for the official values of inflation for each year? If so, does the computation of inflation involve the price of comic books? (I don't think so.) Is the conversion done by comparing the price of comic books to the price of some staple at the same time, such as a loaf of bread (which may be subsidized) or a Big Mac (which may not have existed in the early 50s, and even if it did, it would have been considered a luxury at that time)? Is it done by comparing the price of a comic book to the price of paper, which has risen sky-high the last few years? Finally, what percentage of a typical household income was the price of a comic book in the early fifties, compared to today? I'm sure that depending on which criterion you use, you'll end up with quite different tables, all of which will be equally interesting. WL LILLY: > Oy vey . Having seen this expression a few times, I've been curious to find out what it means. From the context of your posting, I assume it means something like "oh, my stars and little comets", "ye, cats and little kittens", or words to that effect, but I'll ask, anyway: what does it mean? Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr) (WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis) ----- "When do I get to meet some monsters?" "Never, hopefully." ----- From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Fri Jul 27 14:01:41 2001 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 14:01:41 +0200 Subject: ( Sorta OT ) U.S. Comics Sales II !!!!! Message-ID: <001201c11693$e6e2a060$5a2bfbc1@obdesktop> Hi everyone! W.L. Lilly: (I can't find your name; Walter? Walt?) >>I was under the impression that some >>Euro-Disney comics publishers - mostly , French and >>Italian ? - did some limited amount of English >>publishing , mostly in special/commemmerative editions >>of classic stories ( and , some of Don's " Barksverse >>" stories ? )...but , that there was also an >>English-language quarterly - something secondary , in >>other words - from the French publisher , or similar >>to that . I don't know anything about an Enlgish-language publication here in France. I'm pretty sure there isn't-- Fran?ois? Even as albums. Olivier From Willot.Francois at ec-lille.fr Fri Jul 27 15:28:55 2001 From: Willot.Francois at ec-lille.fr (Francois Willot) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 15:28:55 +0200 Subject: ( Sorta OT ) U.S. Comics Sales II !!!!! Message-ID: <2B516F17D00DD311AF4700A0C9E1F7A620C343@panic.ec-lille.fr> Hi Olivier, "W.L." Lilly, >De: Olivier >W.L. Lilly: (I can't find your name; Walter? Walt?) >I don't know anything about an Enlgish-language publication >here in France. I'm pretty sure there isn't-- Fran?ois? >Even as albums. There was an educational publication called "Magic English" made to learn English. Five or six issues were published a few years ago, but I haven't seen any other recently. There are also a few English comics (gags) in the Journal de Mikey and Mickey-Parade, produced in France. Francois http://www2.ec-lille.fr/coa/coa/c1/ From neth80 at hotmail.com Fri Jul 27 16:35:07 2001 From: neth80 at hotmail.com (Kenneth Glendinning) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 00:35:07 +1000 Subject: Uk Aust Comics Message-ID: Hello John all comic titles can be looked up at DISNEY COMICS WORLDWIDE http://www.wolfstad.com/dcw/index.asp It shows all known disney comics that have been published from all over the world. Kenneth Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:33:46 -0500 From: "John Crocker" To: Subject: Re: Disney comics in the US Hello, <> I am interested in the answer to this question, but also am in wonder of where and how I could possibly get a hold of foreign Disney comics (foreign to me that is since I live in the US) that are in English. I believe that the UK and Australia have some English publications and have heard that there may be some in Asia. Does anyone have any information about this? thanks, -john from Oklahoma where it is a perspirating 102 F (appx. 39 C) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dve at kabelfoon.nl Fri Jul 27 17:01:54 2001 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 17:01:54 +0200 Subject: Lo$-interview (Komix #156) Message-ID: <20010727144731.8D5C47C76@hirogen.kabelfoon.nl> KRITON KYRIMIS, 02-07-2001: > [Interview from Komix #156. Lo$-interview] I must mention that, > initially, I wanted to have my story begin in 400 A.D., during > the time of the siege of Adrian's wall, and to show that a McDuich > (this is the ancient Celtic writing of the McDuck name) drove the > Romans away and founded Scotland. I think that Dan Shane's "The Scrooge McDuck Page" contains a few pages of pencil script with the McDuichs, and also a few pages of an Lo$-chapter which was sketched but rejected. (It took place in a restaurant, with a gag which I remember as "Put the coffee on my bill!") I tried to find the site at "http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/dcml/creators/don-rosa.html" and at "http://beam.to/duckhunt", but the links are broken there. Not knowing the correct URL, I can't be more specific that this. - Daniel From danshane at bellsouth.net Fri Jul 27 16:57:51 2001 From: danshane at bellsouth.net (Dan Shane) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 10:57:51 -0400 Subject: Lo$-interview (Komix #156) References: <20010727144731.8D5C47C76@hirogen.kabelfoon.nl> Message-ID: <012d01c116ac$d5599b50$54c20e0c@nant006> DANIEL WROTE: > I think that Dan Shane's "The Scrooge McDuck Page" contains a few > pages of pencil script with the McDuichs, and also a few pages of > an Lo$-chapter which was sketched but rejected. (It took place in a > restaurant, with a gag which I remember as "Put the coffee on my bill!") > > I tried to find the site at > "http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/dcml/creators/don-rosa.html" > and at "http://beam.to/duckhunt", but the links are broken there. > > Not knowing the correct URL, I can't be more specific that this. > AND I REPLY: Some folks didn't catch the new Web address when I made the switch to BellSouth, so here it is: http://personal.bellsouth.net/sdf/d/a/danshane/scroopage/scroohome.htm It's actually the first selection to pop up if you do a Google search for "McDuck Page." Dan Shane (danshane at bellsouth.net) From dve at kabelfoon.nl Fri Jul 27 21:31:09 2001 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 21:31:09 +0200 Subject: Lo$-interview (Komix #156) Message-ID: <20010727191629.C0B8F7D4C@hirogen.kabelfoon.nl> Today, I wrote: > I think that Dan Shane's "The Scrooge McDuck Page" contains a few > pages of pencil script with the McDuichs, and also a few pages of > an Lo$-chapter which was sketched but rejected. (It took place in a > restaurant, with a gag which I remember as "Put the coffee on my bill!") Below you can find the links, with descriptions quoted from the site. Follow the links between brackets "()" for the accompanying information. - - - - - - - The first 7 pages of the original script for Episode 1 in the Life and Times of $crooge McDuck were rejected. Here are the first 2 pages of that unused sequence: "http://personal.bellsouth.net/sdf/d/a/danshane/scroopage/los285_2.htm" ("http://personal.bellsouth.net/sdf/d/a/danshane/scroopage/los285_1.htm") - - - - - - - A complete scene from rejected original script: "http://personal.bellsouth.net/sdf/d/a/danshane/scroopage/los292_2.htm" ("http://personal.bellsouth.net/sdf/d/a/danshane/scroopage/los292_1.htm") - - - - - - - - Daniel From liljerryandtheyadayadakiddz at yahoo.com Fri Jul 27 21:34:33 2001 From: liljerryandtheyadayadakiddz at yahoo.com (WL Lilly) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 12:34:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Kriton - Re: " Oy vey " . Message-ID: <20010727193433.46023.qmail@web12703.mail.yahoo.com> I believe it's Yiddish , and I think has a somewhat similar - linage ? - to " Oy gevalt " - Yeah , in this context , I guess your comparison to the sort of terms that Carl's character's use is accurate . I'm not Jewish , so , anyway , I guess I'm using it a bit - improperly ? Not just , I guess , in not being Jewish , say , but in that , I guess the original meaning might reflect something a bit more cosmic/deeper-hitting than lousy sales of comics - Ah well , blame a ( mid-Twentieth century , more or less ) generation of American Jewish comedians/actors/writers of comedy/comedic fiction and non-fiction for kind of getting it into the vernacular in the U.S.A. I seem to remember a Don R. cartoon or to , during his fan years , using it ! Must go , more later ! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From liljerryandtheyadayadakiddz at yahoo.com Sat Jul 28 01:17:30 2001 From: liljerryandtheyadayadakiddz at yahoo.com (WL Lilly) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 16:17:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: " Oy Vey " II Message-ID: <20010727231730.68790.qmail@web12701.mail.yahoo.com> ...As I said while I guess it might have deeper roots than frustration at awful comics sales ( And " Oh , my stars and garters " , and the like , cheese and crackers alrighty ! " , might've been rooted in the devoutly - or , at least , wishing to be perceived so - Christian wishing to " curse " without either blaspheming , or using " swear words " . ) , but , yeah , I guess in modern-day Ameriac it's just picked up a " mild/comical frustration " , more or less , meaning . As I started to say ( given that posting of the Fantastic Four gag cartoon , which I recall as originating during Don's RBCC fan years ! ) , I recall a fan-era ( non-Disney ) gag cartoon or two - or , possibly , Pertwillably Papers ? - using the phrase/variations on it . I recall a writer of two in the U.S. writing about mild discontent , on the part of some Jews , at such phrase having so widely spread into American useage ( In the recent past , I remember both writer Calvin Trillin and the WALL STREET JOURNAL publishing pices mentioning this . ) , often somewhat simplifying/softening the original meaning...So it goes !!!!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From liljerryandtheyadayadakiddz at yahoo.com Sat Jul 28 01:27:03 2001 From: liljerryandtheyadayadakiddz at yahoo.com (WL Lilly) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 16:27:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: " WDC&S " Top Sales ????????? Message-ID: <20010727232703.68876.qmail@web12703.mail.yahoo.com> Since this is more directly on-topic , I've written this here seperately - At the end of my " Sales " posting , I mentioned " MAD MAGAZINE "'s peak-era sales ? Well , I've since re-checked the source ( Which I would assume draws from the same Publisher's Statement source that all discussion of U.S. comic books that have a second class mailing permit that allows them to offer subscriptions economically draws from . ) , and , at its 1973 peak , " MAD " sold 2,800,000 copies , on an eight-times ( or nine ) -a-year basis , I recall . It's in a slightly different " category " , of course , and peak WDC&S , which I guess was a monthly , may still surpass it . Well , anyway ! The most recent source ( the same article ) claims 250,000 - now monthly - , which is still far more than any other single U.S. comic , at this point . Well , anyway ! Well , anyway ! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From SRoweCanoe at aol.com Sat Jul 28 01:40:46 2001 From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe@aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 19:40:46 EDT Subject: " WDC&S " Top Sales ????????? Message-ID: In a message dated 7/27/2001 7:30:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, liljerryandtheyadayadakiddz at yahoo.com writes: > It's in a slightly different " category " , of course > , and peak WDC&S , which I guess was a monthly , may > still surpass it . Well , anyway ! The most recent > source ( the same article ) claims 250,000 - now > monthly - , which is still far more than any other > single U.S. comic , at this point . Well , anyway ! > Well , anyway ! > well the estimates of the top for WDC&S (in circa 1952) is 3-5 million copies. steven Rowe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20010728/a8d3882d/attachment.html From bolcano at tin.it Sat Jul 28 15:34:22 2001 From: bolcano at tin.it (Armando Botto) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 15:34:22 +0200 Subject: Death in Disney comics Message-ID: <013801c1176a$04f4aa40$356dd8d4@ccse0315> A few weeks ago, Petri Kanninen wrote: > In "Topolino e i fantasmi neri" (I TL 466-B) two of Clarabelle's uncles have an accident with a helicopter and die. This happens in an episode drawn by Perego (otherwise the story is drawn by Carpi) so I don't know if the scene is in the original publications. Interesting... I TL 466-B has just been reprinted in Italy in "Grandi Classici" 176: Clarabelle's uncles die because of the explosion of a bomb in their pumpkin field. The scene is drawn by Carpi. I've checked an older Italian reprint (CWD 32, from 1969), and there's no trace of Perego there, either... maybe Perego re-drew the scene for a later reprint (CD 57, or TM 27)? Can anybody check? Ciao, Armando From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sat Jul 28 16:51:09 2001 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 16:51:09 +0200 Subject: Help needed. What day was October 19, 1960? Message-ID: <20010728143644.7CC857C31@hirogen.kabelfoon.nl> I would like to have advice on how to find the days of old dates, like October 19, 1960. Was that a Monday, Tuesday, etc.? Is there a site which gives the possibility to find the day of an old date? At this moment, I need this information the most on dates from 1960-1964. I'm working on a timeline and some information with a date included refers to, for example, "last Sunday". Without an indication of what the date was of that Sunday. I'll try to illustrate what I mean: 1960, October 19 - "Last Sunday the weather was good." If I know the day of October 19, I can find out the date of that Sunday. (If October 19 was on Monday, then that Sunday was October 18. Etc.) - Daniel From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Sat Jul 28 19:29:55 2001 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 19:29:55 +0200 Subject: What days was Oct 19, 1960? Message-ID: <000f01c1178a$eaf90ac0$b41efbc1@obdesktop> Wednesday! So the weather was good on Sunday 16, 1960-- somewhere... C'mon, Daniel, you've whipped up thougher quizes than this! ; ) OK, I searched for "calendar" on the web. I found "When fo you want to go today?": http://www.ecben.net/calendar.shtml a pretty amazing thing that tells you everything about today's date, in relaation with different calendars-- zodiacal, Chinese, Coptiv, Buddhist, atomic era, stardate, .... Among the links there's "The 10000 Year Calendar": http://calendarhome.com/tyc/ Choose the year and month (or "year-at-a-glance"), and it displays the calendar! So... March 7, 1901 was a Wednesday March 24, 1901 Sunday Dec 5, 1901 Thursday May 5, 1905 Friday Aug 29, 1905 Tuesday May 15, 1928 Monday Nov 28, 1928 Wednedsay June 9, 1934 Saturday June 29, 1951 Friday July 1, 1971 Thursday Aug 4, 1975 Monday Olivier born on a Thursday (but darn if I know what the weather was like...) W, March 7, 1901: Carl Barks Su, March 24, 1901: Ub Iwerks Th, Dec 5, 1901: Walt Disney F, May 5, 1905: Floyd Gottfredson T, Aug 29, 1905: Al Taliaferro M, May 15, 1928: "Plane Crazy" W, Nov 28, 1928: "Steamboat Willie" S, June 9, 1934: "The Wise Little Hen"x F, June 29, 1951: Keno Don Rosa Th, July 1, 1971: "A Tall Ship and a Star to Steer Her By" M, Aug 4, 1975: Ault-Andrae interview of Barks From cacou661 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 28 19:39:22 2001 From: cacou661 at yahoo.com (Francois Willot) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 10:39:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: New online Disney comics Message-ID: <20010728173922.31813.qmail@web14303.mail.yahoo.com> The Sheriff of Bullet Valley + lots more Barks and Rosa http://kits-silver-age-comics.com/199/c.htm Francois __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From agridiot at spidernet.net Sun Jul 29 08:25:39 2001 From: agridiot at spidernet.net (Agridiotis) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 23:25:39 -0700 Subject: Fethry Message-ID: <001601c117f7$4a5c2bc0$8c899ac2@8944cjn72961> Hello DCML members. I want to know little things about the plot of the first appearance of Fethry "The Health Nut". Thanks for listenning me Bye! George Agridiotis, Nicosia - Cyprus E-mail: agridiot at spidernet.net Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/komixwebsite/ DCML member From eega at supereva.it Sun Jul 29 14:01:51 2001 From: eega at supereva.it (Eta Beta) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 14:01:51 +0200 Subject: Death in Disney comics Message-ID: <20010729120151.ULXK24628.fep09-svc.tin.it@[212.171.139.164]> PETRI, ARMANDO >> In "Topolino e i fantasmi neri" (I TL 466-B) two of Clarabelle's uncles >> have an accident with a helicopter and die. This happens in an episode drawn >> by Perego (otherwise the story is drawn by Carpi) so I don't know if the >> scene is in the original publications. > >Interesting... I TL 466-B has just been reprinted in Italy in "Grandi >Classici" 176: Clarabelle's uncles die because of the explosion of a bomb in >their pumpkin field. The scene is drawn by Carpi. I've checked an older >Italian reprint (CWD 32, from 1969), and there's no trace of Perego there, >either... maybe Perego re-drew the scene for a later reprint (CD 57, or TM >27)? Can anybody check? Just checked the CD 57 reprint against the original, and there's no difference, and no trace of Perego's art anywhere. It's the bomb explosion (a leftover of military manoeuvres) that does it for the uncles... the concept is, however, treated with some... "lightness"... the farmer, after the explosion, goes "Oh... the Cow brothers just disappeared..." It is left to the reader's imagination to make out exactly how and where they might have "disappeared"... :-) Cheers Eta Beta From danshane at bellsouth.net Sun Jul 29 14:08:10 2001 From: danshane at bellsouth.net (Dan Shane) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 08:08:10 -0400 Subject: Help needed. What day was October 19, 1960? References: <20010728143644.7CC857C31@hirogen.kabelfoon.nl> Message-ID: <013601c11827$22adef20$0a0a0a0a@homebrew> Daniel wrote: > I would like to have advice on how to find the days of old dates, > like October 19, 1960. Was that a Monday, Tuesday, etc.? > > Is there a site which gives the possibility to find the day of an > old date? At this moment, I need this information the most on dates > from 1960-1964. > AND I REPLY: Yes, there is such a site. www.earth.com/calendar The date you seek was a Wednesday. -- Dan Shane (danshane at bellsouth.net) From gerba at libero.it Sun Jul 29 14:30:05 2001 From: gerba at libero.it (Francesco) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 14:30:05 +0200 Subject: New Site about Disney's drawer (is it ok?) Message-ID: <004901c1182a$79edb880$3a8e1997@t0w3z3> Hi to all. My name is Francesco I'm italian and I'm a passionate of Disney Comics. I have got 22 years old and that's first time that I write in this ML but I red your message about 3 month ago. I red Disney Comics from 1985 in august and first number that I remember bought was Topolino n. 1555. I worked in Disney in 1997 for some pages of special about Lo$ called "Duck". I'd like tell you that I open a new Disney site about a famous collaborator of Disney Italia. His name is LUCIANO GATTO and he was first collaborator at ink of Romano Scarpa. He came from Venice and he draws (and little write) near 400 tales from 1958. For my web page GATTO help me with a lot information and some unpubblishing works that I pubblish in future in this site. In Italian GATTO mean Cat and he draw from 20 years 1 cat in his history. If you want see and know this drawer you can go to url http://digilander.iol.it/lucianogatto There is a little problem: now this site in all in Italian but I'd like translate in English when I can do it. Excuse me for my English... It isn't wery well. Bye Francesco. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20010729/5564767a/attachment.html From SRoweCanoe at aol.com Sun Jul 29 14:41:50 2001 From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe@aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 08:41:50 EDT Subject: New Site about Disney's drawer (is it ok?) Message-ID: In a message dated 7/29/2001 8:38:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gerba at libero.it writes: > Excuse me for my English... It isn't wery well. > > not too bad, instead of "drawer", use "artist" though/// steven rowe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20010729/11dd3067/attachment.html From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Sun Jul 29 15:32:45 2001 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 15:32:45 +0200 Subject: New Site about Disney's drawer (is it ok?) Message-ID: <00da01c11832$f3b76b40$b41efbc1@obdesktop> Hi, Francesco! >>I worked in Disney in 1997 for some pages >>of special about Lo$ called "Duck". What do you mean? You wrote a column about L&T that was entitled "Duck", and which was published by Disney in the corresponding magazines? That's interesting. Do you intend to include it in your site (event though it's not about Gatto)? Olivier http://ob7.free.fr/mouse_ducks/ From tbin at libero.it Sat Jul 28 18:51:39 2001 From: tbin at libero.it (Antonio Maschio) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 18:51:39 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Uncle Scrooge Saga In-Reply-To: <200107291003.MAA31918@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: Hi Don (Rosa), I'm a civil engineer, like you (hope this info is true!), and I work in Italy. I write only to tell you that Unca saga is wonderful (if I'm not unforgettable for reading it after years!). Please, may you (or some fan of yours) e-mail me the complete sequence (in temporal order) of the episodes, including the ones made out of the saga? And at last: any anticipation, about new Unca life-story issues? Thanks in advance. Toni -- Antonio Maschio From liljerryandtheyadayadakiddz at yahoo.com Sun Jul 29 22:08:59 2001 From: liljerryandtheyadayadakiddz at yahoo.com (WL Lilly) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 13:08:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: SRowe - " Top WDC&S Sales " Message-ID: <20010729200859.69127.qmail@web12701.mail.yahoo.com> I have said , from the very beginning of all of this here , that " WD " , at its before-television really-hit height , may well be #1 , as U.S. comics fan mythology often holds it to be . That said - you said " estimates " . - I'd be a little more inclined to go for the Publisher's Statement-based statistics , since they're " official " . And , you can compare them . That said , to repeat..." ' WD '...may well be #1 , as U.S. comics fan mythology..." !!!!!!!!! Okay ? I mean , not to come on like the atheist preaching to the congregation...I agree with you ! ( essentially ) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From reimersholme at hotmail.com Sun Jul 29 23:46:06 2001 From: reimersholme at hotmail.com (Stefan Persson) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 23:46:06 +0200 Subject: Uk Aust Comics Message-ID: Interesting page! But why does http://www.wolfstad.com/dcw/comic.asp?comicid=211 say that the name of the magazine is "MICKEY MOUSE", when it's clearly written "Dizunii" (Disney) (see the big, red characters) on the cover? And why is "http://www.wolfstad.com/dcw/comic.asp?comicid=211" listed as "Winnie the Pooh," when it says "Kuma-no-Puu-san" on the cover? http://www.wolfstad.com/dcw/comic.asp?comicid=359 says: "Disney Fan seems to be produced by a company called Kodansha." K?dansha is a book/manga publisher. Try to search for "講談社" for further information. >From: "Kenneth Glendinning" >To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se >Subject: Uk Aust Comics >Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 00:35:07 +1000 > >Hello John all comic titles can be looked up at DISNEY COMICS WORLDWIDE >http://www.wolfstad.com/dcw/index.asp >It shows all known disney comics that have been published from all over the >world. > >Kenneth > > >Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:33:46 -0500 >From: "John Crocker" >To: >Subject: Re: Disney comics in the US > >Hello, > ><comics?>> > >I am interested in the answer to this question, but also am in wonder of >where >and how I could possibly get a hold of foreign Disney comics (foreign to me >that >is since I live in the US) that are in English. I believe that the UK and >Australia have some English publications and have heard that there may be >some >in Asia. >Does anyone have any information about this? > >thanks, > >-john from Oklahoma where it is a perspirating 102 F (appx. 39 C) > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > >_______________________________________________ >http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml _________________________________________________________________ H?mta MSN Explorer kostnadsfritt p? http://explorer.msn.se From reimersholme at hotmail.com Mon Jul 30 00:19:56 2001 From: reimersholme at hotmail.com (Stefan Persson) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 00:19:56 +0200 Subject: Help needed. What day was October 19, 1960? Message-ID: >From: "Daniel van Eijmeren" >To: >Subject: Help needed. What day was October 19, 1960? >Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 16:51:09 +0200 > >I would like to have advice on how to find the days of old dates, >like October 19, 1960. Was that a Monday, Tuesday, etc.? Wednesday. >Is there a site which gives the possibility to find the day of an >old date? No idea! Stefan _________________________________________________________________ H?mta MSN Explorer kostnadsfritt p? http://explorer.msn.se From kyrimis at cti.gr Mon Jul 30 07:32:15 2001 From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 08:32:15 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: KOMIX #158 Message-ID: Here's what's in this month's issue of Komix: * Cover by Carl Barks. I have put a scan at http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis/pics/komix158.jpg * A two-page letters column. In an inset titled "a year without Carl Barks" they remind us of the sad anniversary, and they show a drawing by Albert Uderzo, showing Asterix, "who did not bow to Caesar himself", bowing in front of a golden statue of uncle Scrooge. I've put a copy of that in http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis/pics/komix158a.jpg * A two-page "news of Komix" article. * Don's "The Vigilante of Pizen Bluff". This is a strange printing: The top half of page nine seems to have been produced from a low resolution scan, and there is a footnote saying that "The first five panels of this page had been removed to divide the story into two parts. We put them back in." Then, page 17 begins with what is obviously a recap from the multi-part version, missing the five panels that are present in the Gladstone version, and make the story make a lot more sense at that point. I know that Komix is in constant touch with Don, who keeps sending them tips on how to best print his stories, because he knows they care, so *why* do they keep making these horrible mistakes? Is it so difficult to get the single-part version from Egmont, rather than having to doctor the multi-part version? * A three-page article titled "history, spectacle, and fairy tale", subtitled "the heroes who created the myth of the Wild West". This article makes up for the previous mix-up, as it gives all the historical information required to understand Don's story. * A two-page article titled "Scrooge in the Wild West", subtitled "Don Rosa presents the vigilante of Pizen Bluff". * Barks' "Swimming Swindlers". * A three-page article titled "Mark and Sergio meet uncle Carl, subtitled "the meeting of three great creators". This article talks about Mark Evanier and Sergio Aragones' meeting with Carl Barks, using extracts from an article from the September 2000 issue of the Comic Buyer's Guide, and acts as a link between Disney comics and the next item, which is: * The first installment of Mark Evanier and Sergio Aragones' "Space Circus". Until today, I was only aware of Aragones' work for MAD magazine. The first time I saw his work was in a book published by MAD magazine titled "Viva MAD", which I found extremely hilarious, leaving me wanting for more, which I found in the margins of MAD magazine. Despite my reservations about the inappropriateness of Komix as a medium for printing the Space Circus, I was looking forward to reading it. Unfortunately, despite my prejudice in favor of the story, I found it a BIG disappointment. There was none of the humor found in Aragones' drawings for MAD magazine, and very little of any other kind of humor. As for the plot, I found it as interesting as the Italian space adventures with the Ducks, i.e., none at all. This stuff is simply filler material for a Disney comic book. Perhaps the extra indication, "padded", on the cover, was referring to that. What's worse, despite the padding of the issue to 84 pages, there was substantially less Disney material than in regular, 64-page, all-Disney issues. :( Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr) (WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis) ----- "Blowing the occasional chunk out of the earth keeps them amused." ----- From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Mon Jul 30 10:28:50 2001 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 10:28:50 +0200 Subject: Uncle Scrooge Saga Message-ID: <003301c118d1$a94b4b40$a3f0fdc1@obdesktop> Hi everyone! Antonio: >>Please, may you (or some fan of yours) e-mail me the complete sequence (in >>temporal order) of the episodes, including the ones made out of the saga? You will find an illustrated chronological index of the L&T stories on my own site: a/ http://ob7.free.fr/mouse_ducks/ b/ click on the "King of the Klondike" icon (fifth one) in the (left, yellow) "Contents" frame c/ this displays in the (green) main frame the "Don Rosa Papers" main page; 5 links are "hidden" in the picture d/ click on (very) young Scrooge's portrait for the chronology (not the chronological order of publication, but events) e/ one of the images links to a map of young Scrooge's treks around the world (the whole site reads well on a 14" screen set to 1024*768, so anything larger will do and display the map without any scrollbar) >>And at last: any anticipation, about new Unca life-story issues? Have a look at the "Upcoming Stories" page on http://www.geocities.com/komixgreekpage/englishindex.htm Best wishes to all, Olivier From kyrimis at cti.gr Mon Jul 30 12:35:16 2001 From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 13:35:16 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: New Site about Disney's drawer (is it ok?) In-Reply-To: <200107301004.MAA23800@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: FRANCESCO: > I'd like tell you that I open a new Disney site about a famous > collaborator of Disney Italia. His name is LUCIANO GATTO I grew up in the sixties reading the Greek MIKY MAOUS. Some of the stories I read there made a deep impression on me, and I remember them clearly, to this day. Thanks to Gladstone's effort in promoting Barks, I found that one of the people who drew these memorable stories was Carl Barks. I later found that another of these artists was Romano Scarpa. Recently, I've discovered the names of a couple more of these artists, namely Pier Lorenzo De Vita (which probably explains my dislike for his son's work--their styles are so different that it's hard to like both), and, most important, Luciano Gatto, who seems to have made the deepest impression in my young soul, more than any of those other artists that I've mentioned. Needless to say, your Gatto page is extremely appreciated, even though I can only "read" Italian by guessing the meaning of the words using my knowledge of other languages. (A practice which, strange as it may sound, seems adequate for me to enjoy Italian comics!) I am looking forward to being able to read your pages in English, though I obviously cannot help in translating them. Perhaps, since your English is not as bad as you make it sound, you could use Alta Vista's translation service (http://babel.altavista.com/) to get rough translations of your pages, which you can then clean up to compensate for any errors that the automatic translator will make. Cheers, Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr) (WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis) ----- "Blowing the occasional chunk out of the earth keeps them amused." ----- From sgarcia at external.uf-isf.es Mon Jul 30 12:35:11 2001 From: sgarcia at external.uf-isf.es (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Santiago_Garc=EDa_Banhos?=) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 12:35:11 +0200 Subject: New Site about Disney's drawer (is it ok?) In-Reply-To: <200107301004.MAA23800@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <001001c118e3$4f800f80$34446f0a@sfpc0497.uf-isf.es> Francesco Gerbaldo: Is it "ok"? It is FINE! I like artist biographies more than scans ;-), and I really appreciate that now I can know something more about Gatto, an excellent artist which I've been reading for years. My congratulations. (BTW: I still can't see why Daisy is so annoyed) Santiago. ************************************************ * Santiago Garc?a Ba?os??????????????????????? * * SOLUZIONA SOFTWARE FACTORY?????????????????? * ************************************************ From donrosa at iglou.com Mon Jul 30 15:31:20 2001 From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 09:31:20 -0400 Subject: DCML digest #619 References: <200107301004.MAA23737@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <001701c118fb$fd650ac0$9eecffcc@default> From: "Olivier" >>>Hi, Francesco! >I worked in Disney in 1997 for some pages >of special about Lo$ called "Duck". >>>What do you mean? You wrote a column about L&T that was entitled "Duck", and which was published by Disney in the corresponding magazines? In case Francesco does not reply: he refers to the Italian limited-edition book which contained my "Lo$" as well as other material about the series and $crooge and me. The book title was "D.U.C.K." (which I hope you know of?), and I think it was sold only at the Expocartoon comic fair in Rome one year. The regular newsstand version had a better title! I guess the assumption was that people at Expocartoon would already know what "D.U.C.K." meant, but I think that was rather presumptuous...? From: Kriton Kyrimis >>>> Don's "The Vigilante of Pizen Bluff". This is a strange printing: .... I know that Komix is in constant touch with Don, who keeps sending them tips on how to best print his stories, because he knows they care, so *why* do they keep making these horrible mistakes? Is it so difficult to get the single-part version from Egmont, rather than having to doctor the multi-part version? I don't know what the errors are that you refer to until I get my copy, but I would also wonder why errors would be made. I am answering every single question they send me and send them any art they need to present my stories properly. I naturally want to be proud of what I see in the pages of such a nice looking comic. But to answer you question of "Is it so difficult to get the single-part version from Egmont?"... YES, it is. From what I am told by publishers, even Egmont publishers, Copenhagen never sends out anything but the serialized versions of my stories, even when the one-part versions are *specifically* requested... and when they sometimes *do* send out the requested one-part version, they often do not send out the matching script. I am often contacted by desperate publishers, Egmont and non-Egmont, for the correct versions of my stories who say it is easier, faster and safer to get it through me than from Copenhagen. >>>Despite my reservations about the inappropriateness of Komix as a medium for printing the Space Circus, I was looking forward to reading it. I LOVE Sergio's work, always have since I was a tad, and he is one of the ONLY friends I have ever made in the industry... he is one of the nicest and most genuinely GOOD people I've ever come across. When I go to comic conventions, I never "hang out" with other professionals... I still hang around with the same people I always have, the other collectors of old comics and the dealers in same. But I know three other "professionals" simply because they are the only three American comic book people who get invited to Europe and I often cross paths with them overseas -- Sergio, Jeff Smith and Neil Gaiman. (I also know Mark Evanier well, but only because I've always known him, since we were both jes' plain comics fans in the 60's.) And though I love Sergio's work, I also do not like seeing it in a Disney magazine. That seems to be a break in a tradition that I see no reason to make. And it's also rather annoying that he and Mark are being paid a royalty for the reprinting of their work inside the pages of KOMIX even though none of the rest of us whose work is being reprinted in those same pages are getting a red cent. That seems a bit insulting, y'know? But the reason I mention Sergio is that I spent some time with him at his table in San Diego last week, and I told him I thought it was interesting that we would be sharing the pages of a comic book in Greece even though he didn't do Disney stuff. And he was *totally unaware* of the fact that his work was being put into a Disney comic title! He knew his work was being used in Greece, but he did not know where or how it was being used. So... we can't blame him for any of this! To: "Olivier" Thank you for telling Antonio about the place where he can always check for info on my "Lo$" series (you said http://ob7.free.fr/mouse_ducks/ and http://www.geocities.com/komixgreekpage/englishindex.htm ). There's also Dan Shane's site that he reminded us of the address for. As with http://www.duckhunt.de/ , none of these are *my* websites -- I have no reason to establish a website when these folks do a much better job of it. From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Mon Jul 30 16:14:09 2001 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 16:14:09 +0200 Subject: Uncle Scrooge Saga (2) Message-ID: <007e01c11901$e71bb920$a3f0fdc1@obdesktop> Keno Don Rosa: >>There's also Dan Shane's site that he reminded us of the address for. Right. All my apologies for omitting this great site which provides such a wealth of information & art. The address is http://personal.bellsouth.net/sdf/d/a/danshane/scroopage/scroohome.htm By the way, do you know how to contact the editors of San Diego ComiCon to ask if they have a few souvenirs books (with the Barks tributes & Money Bin blueprints) left to order? Thanks for any information. Olivier From dve at kabelfoon.nl Mon Jul 30 17:16:33 2001 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 17:16:33 +0200 Subject: Barks and Hendrix chickens (DD 138) Message-ID: <20010730150215.9C75C7C40@hirogen.kabelfoon.nl> A person who is writing a book about Jimi Hendrix asked the following: "I understand that one of his songs entitled '3rd Stone from the Sun' (aka Third Stone From The Sun) partly inspired a Donald Duck story called 'Officer Of The Day' in a Donald Duck comic (specifically the bit in Hendrix's song where aliens think chickens are earth's most intelligent species). Is there any further information you can furnish me with regarding this? Was Carl Barks a Hendrix fan?" The message was forwarded to me by a Barks fan who had answered the writer with this reply: "I doubt very much that Barks ever was a Hendrix fan. I cannot remember a single statement in which he expressed his fondness of Hendrix or of the contemporary rock music. He was already 67 years old when he wrote "Officer for a Day" and his attitude towards society was more on the conservative side. In fact he more than once poked fun at artists and musicians of the "beatnik" or "hippie" kind in his comics of the 60's - in a rather sarcastical tone, I might add. Of course it _might_ be possible that he heard the song on the radio and found the line about the "superior cackling hen" funny enough to integrate it into his comic story. In the comic the exact words are, "The only _intelligent_ beings were the ones with feathers in the wire cage!" Since the wording is completely different, there is no clear evidence that this part was really inspired by Hendrix' song. We will never know for sure, I'm afraid ..." - - - - - - - I've searched for the lyrics of this Jimi Hendrix song. As I don't know this Jimi Hendrix song myself, I cannot judge if the lyrics are correct or complete: - - - - - - - Third Stone From The Sun Words and Music by Jimi Hendrix Copyright (c) 1967, 1996 Experience Hendrix, L.L.C. Verse 1 Oh strange beautiful grass of green with your majestic silken scenes Your mysterious mountains I wish to see closer May I land my kinky machine Verse 2 Although your world wonders me with your majestic superior cackling hen Your people I do not understand So to you I wish to put an end And you'll never hear surf music again - - - - - - - The song is from Hendrix' debut album, "Are you experienced?", released in August 1967. I haven't searched for other releases, so I don't know if the song was released as a single. According to Barrier, Barks submitted "Officer For A Day" [DD 138] on November 6, 1968. It was published in Donald Duck 138, with cover date July 1969. I was asked for my opinion and apart from being sceptical, the only 'possible' connections I could think of was that a fan might have mentioned this Jimi Hendrix song to Carl Barks, or that both Barks and Hendrix might independently have been inspired by an earlier similar source. Of course, there's always the possibility that Barks and Hendrix both coincidentally thought of the same idea. The resemblance and connection between Hendrix's song and Barks' story are discussable, but that is exactly the reason why I bring it up here on this mailing list. :-) Please let me know what you think of it. - Daniel From timoro at hotmail.com Mon Jul 30 18:29:55 2001 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 19:29:55 +0300 Subject: About Manga Ducks Once More Message-ID: Hi! There is on Danish comics museum webpage some samples about Disney-manga-style comics, which seems to be much better than the one that was published in Finnish Aku Ankka. http://www.kulturnetvestsj.dk/tegneseriemuseet.dk/emner/egmont_asia.htm Scroll the page way down, so you´ll see those.. Much more manga-like IMO. And BTW, manga should be black and white. Timo Ronkainen ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kylä 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ¨¨ Personal: http://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/timoro/ ¨¨ Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://welcome.to/ankistit ................................. "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From bangfish at cableone.net Tue Jul 31 01:58:36 2001 From: bangfish at cableone.net (Sue and Gary Leach) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 16:58:36 -0700 Subject: Gladstone I paper quality In-Reply-To: <200107291002.MAA31284@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: Kriton: During Gladstone's first run, we printed on pulp newsprint chosen and purchased, usually based on cost and bulk availability, by the printer, World Color Press/Spartan Printing, an outfit that had been printing a pretty fair chunk of U.S. comics output for nearly half a century. This pulp newsprint could, and did, vary widely in quality from bulk lot to bulk lot, so what qualities you may discern in the paper in the first-run Gladstones would be entirely based on that. Gary Leach From malines at iobox.fi Tue Jul 31 12:43:22 2001 From: malines at iobox.fi (Simo Malinen) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 10:43:22 +0000 (GMT+00:00) Subject: Disney Comics - prices over decades? Message-ID: <13950222.996576207287.JavaMail.wls@webwl03> KRITON KYRIMIS: (Fri 27 Jul) The table you posted is very interesting! However, I have a few reservations about it, as it would seem to me that converting old prices to modern ones is a non-trivial task. How is this done? By adjusting for the official values of inflation for each year? If so, does the computation of inflation involve the price of comic books? (I don't think so.) Is the conversion done by comparing the price of comic books to the price of some staple at the same time, such as a loaf of bread (which may be subsidized) or a Big Mac (which may not have existed in the early 50s, and even if it did, it would have been considered a luxury at that time)? Is it done by comparing the price of a comic book to the price of paper, which has risen sky-high the last few years? Finally, what percentage of a typical household income was the price of a comic book in the early fifties, compared to today? I'm sure that depending on which criterion you use, you'll end up with quite different tables, all of which will be equally interesting. Well, my table was done by using the purchasing power values of the currency (Finnish mark) at 1951-2000. Let's say: "In 1951 the price of the Finnish weekly Aku Ankka was 50.00 marks and that is about 7.75 marks in today's currency." This means that in 1951 50.00 marks (of the currency in 1951) could be used to buy goods etc. about as much as 7.75 marks (of the today's currency) at today. Because currently the Finnish weekly costs 9.50 marks we can assume that it's price has raised since 1951. Surely there are other reasons but inflation raising the costs of the weekly, like taxes included the price. But finally the cover price is the one the buyer sees. BTW - All the prices were calculated by using a table from: (in Finnish) http://economics.meritanordbanken.com/fin/calc/fimtable.asp And here's the table with the numbers again: Finnish weekly Aku Ankka 1951-2001: 1) the cover prices of the Finnish Disney comic weekly Aku Ankka 1951-2001. 2) the same cover price transformed into today's currency. year: the cover price = in today's currency 1951: 50.00 mk = 7.75 mk (monthly) 1952: 50.00 mk = 7.45 mk 1953: 50.00 mk = 7.30 mk 1954: 50.00 mk = 7.30 mk 1955: 50.00 mk = 7.50 mk 1956: 50.00 mk = 6.75 mk ("bi-weekly") 1957: 50.00 mk = 6.05 mk 1958: 60.00 mk = 6.84 mk 1959: 60.00 mk = 6.72 mk 1960: 60.00 mk = 6.54 mk 1961: 60.00 mk = 6.36 mk (weekly) 1962: 60.00 mk = 6.12 mk 1963: 0.60 mk = 5.84 mk (zeroes removed) 1964: 0.70 mk = 6.18 mk 1965: 0.70 mk = 5.90 mk 1966: 0.70 mk = 5.68 mk 1967: 0.70 mk = 5.38 mk 1968: 0.80 mk = 5.66 mk 1969: 0.80 mk = 5.53 mk 1970: 0.80 mk = 5.38 mk 1971: 0.80 mk = 5.06 mk 1972: 0.80 mk = 4.73 mk 1973: 0.80 mk = 4.22 mk 1974: 0.80 mk = 3.61 mk 1975: 1.00 mk = 3.83 mk 1976: 1.50 mk = 5.01 mk 1977: 1.50 mk = 4.46 mk 1978: 1.80 mk = 4.97 mk 1979: 2.10 mk = 5.40 mk 1980: 2.40 mk = 5.52 mk 1981: 2.60 mk = 5.36 mk 1982: 3.10 mk = 5.83 mk 1983: 3.50 mk = 6.06 mk 1984: 3.90 mk = 6.32 mk 1985: 4.40 mk = 6.73 mk 1986: 4.80 mk = 7.10 mk 1987: 5.10 mk = 7.29 mk 1988: 5.40 mk = 7.34 mk 1989: 5.70 mk = 7.24 mk 1990: 6.00 mk = 7.20 mk 1991: 6.40 mk = 7.36 mk 1992: 6.70 mk = 7.57 mk 1993: 6.90 mk = 7.59 mk 1994: 7.50 mk = 8.18 mk 1995: 7.90 mk = 8.53 mk 1996: 8.50 mk = 9.10 mk (pages 32 -> 36) 1997: 8.50 mk = 9.01 mk 1998: 8.50 mk = 8.93 mk 1999: 8.90 mk = 9.17 mk 2000: 8.90 mk = 8.90 mk 2001: 9.50 mk - Simo _ _ _ Vastaa ja voita puhelin! Osallistu ioQuiz kilpailuun. Ohjeet saat t??lt? www.iobox.fi From pkanninen at hotmail.com Tue Jul 31 14:54:17 2001 From: pkanninen at hotmail.com (Petri Kanninen) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:54:17 +0300 Subject: Death in Disney comics Message-ID: ME & ARMANDO >>In "Topolino e i fantasmi neri" (I TL 466-B) two of Clarabelle's uncles >>have an accident with a helicopter and die. This happens in >> an episode >>drawn by Perego (otherwise the story is drawn by Carpi) >> so I don't know >>if the scene is in the original publications. >Interesting... I TL 466-B has just been reprinted in Italy in "Grandi >Classici" 176: Clarabelle's uncles die because of the explosion of a >bomb >in their pumpkin field. The scene is drawn by Carpi. I've >checked an older >Italian reprint (CWD 32, from 1969), and there's no >trace of Perego there, >either... maybe Perego re-drew the scene for a later reprint (CD 57, >or TM >27)? Can anybody check? How many pages are there explaning uncles' deaths? In Finnish edition it is three pages long and goes something like this: CL's uncles have just finished counting their massive pumpkin harvest. Suddenly their friend(?) runs to them pointing in the sky and says "There's a helicopter coming!" The helicopter lands on their field destroying many of the pumpkins. The pilot comes out and says he wanted to rest awhile and landed. (Is that courteous or what?!) CL's uncles are a bit annoyed because they now don't know how many pumpkins there are left. Their friend comes up with an idea. The pilot lets them use the helicopter and they can easily count the pumpkins from the air (excuse me?). Pilot says OK and CL's uncles clime in the helicopter (not the pilot). They rise and soon the pilot starts wondering why they're flying so far away. The uncle's friend says that it's simple: they don't know how to fly a helicopter. Story also says that CL's uncles bodies were later found in the river. Don't remember if this was part of the Perego drawn episode. Well, this brilliant show of logic and rationality has always left me quite disturbed. Hope you enjoyed it! BTW. It would be nice to see how original episode goes. I'll try to put scans of the Finnish edition on the net in the weekend. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Armando.Botto at elsag.it Tue Jul 31 15:19:00 2001 From: Armando.Botto at elsag.it (Botto Armando) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:19:00 +0200 Subject: Death in Disney comics Message-ID: <747D2ED67A22D41181240090273F51E20118D8B3@gspsvr.gsp.elsag.it> Petri wrote, regarding "Topolino e i fantasmi neri" (I TL 466-B): > How many pages are there explaning uncles' deaths? In Finnish edition it is > three pages long and goes something like this: [...] I'll be more precise tonight (and I'll also provide scans to Petri, for him to put them on the net), but I seem to remember the scene takes just a few panels in the original version. > Well, this brilliant show of logic and rationality has always left me quite > disturbed. Hope you enjoyed it! Yep! Now the question is: were the additional pages drawn by Perego for the Italian reprint in "Topomistery" #27 ? All the other known reprints have been already checked, either by Eta or by myself... The Inducks currently reports that the TM 27 reprint (which came out in 1994) is 40 pages long, exactly like the original version - which seems to imply that no addition was made (maybe Marco Barlotti can verify?). It seems strange, though, that the Finnish editors had an Italian artist perform such a modification... BTW, Petri, could you tell us in which Finnish edition you've read the modified story? Ciao, Armando From dve at kabelfoon.nl Tue Jul 31 16:04:23 2001 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 16:04:23 +0200 Subject: Barks items (010731), part 1 Message-ID: <20010731135005.A79ED7C5D@hirogen.kabelfoon.nl> Links to rare/original/unpublished Barks items. I don't have any connection with the sellers or the sites. If you've seen other rare/original/unpublished items, I hope you'll post them to the list as well. Information is taken from the sellers' descriptions, unless otherwise noted. ("DvE") Items at Ebay (http://www.ebay.com): - - - - - - - BARKS ORIGINAL UNCLE SCROOGE 50'S COVER ART Item # 1173214410 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1173214410 This is a beautiful piece of art by legend and Duckman supreme... Carl Barks. Carl drew this on an onion skin type tracing paper. It is done in pencil and is signed on the bottom corner in ink by Carl. It is about 9x12 in size. Carl worked in these pre-lins all the time, all the original covers are owned by Disney (The Walt Disney Production Company), so none of the originals have ever been sold (if they still even exist). This is a chance to own an original cover from issue #46 or #51 by the creator of Uncle Scrooge, Huey Dewey and Louie, Gyro Gearloose and more. I checked the covers of every issue from #40-65 and the only issue I didn't see was #51, so this is either the cover to #51 or an unused original version of #46. I am not sure. [...] The reserve is set at $2200.00 a great price for this piece of history. [It's an alternate cover sketch for "Lost Beneath the Sea" in US 46. The title on this cover sketch is "Strangers Under The Sea". Contains logo and cover layout lines. It is different from the similar-looking alternate cover sketch in The Carl Barks Library set 5, at the bottom of page 287. Version as printed in the CBL does not contain logo or layout lines. DvE.] - - - - - - - Disney Carl Barks Oil-Ograph No Res / Only 75 Item # 1171058657 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1171058657 Hello EBAY Shoppers: I have this very very nice oil-Ograph created by Carl Barks. It is one of only 75 that were created. This piece "Invasion of Privacy" was issued 3 years ago and each year they were going to issue another different print. I loved this version so much I sold my unframed paper version for $350 at a show and immediately bought this one for $500. It looks exactly like the oil painting it is even on cloth.. To a person when they see it the first thing they say is" you own an original Barks" The answer is YES this is a very beautiful Oil-Ograph by Barks. It looks so real Disney has a stamp on the back of the piece that states "This is a reproduction" The framing on the piece is also fantastic. It was hand signed by Barks. I have several other items that I had Carl Barks sign through the years and will be putting some of these on EBAY also soon so.Please check out my other auctions I have a lot of other great Disney items. This is from my personal collection and the only reason I am selling it is because I need some more money for a house I am buying othwise it wouldn't be for sale. Shipping will be $10 in the United States. Another alternative For more Great Disney items go to the Disneyananet.com - - - - - - - BRENDA WHITE/CARL BARKS SCROOGE CHARGER Item # 1171124671 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1171124671 BRENDA WHITE/CARL BARKS SCROOGE CHARGER This unique charger signed by both Brenda White and Carl Barks from the 1996 Walt Disney Disneyana convention limited to 25. This piece is # 4. A must for any Scrooge collector. Estimate $ 2200 - $ 2600 - - - - - - - Popeye Nancy Porky Pig 3 BLB s Carl Barks ? Item # 1450603781 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1450603781 3 books 1 bid. Popeye the Sailor Man, Better Little Book #1422 copyright MCMXXXVIII MCMXXXIX MCMXLVII. (1938,1939,1947) in FN-VFN. Nancy All Pictures Comics #1487 copyright 1943, 1944 FN (pencil Carolyn Carfagno neatly on first page). Porky Pig and His Gang Better Little Book #1404 is missing the copyright page due to the binding separating along the interior left edge, a pity because the entire outside cover and spine are excellent and the remaining pages are tight. The style of the comics (these are cover to cover comics in black and white) reminds me of CARL BARKS of Donald Duck Uncle Scrooge fame and he did draw Four Color Comics #48 Dell Porky Pig of the Mounties in 1944. There are two "Stories" in this Better Little Book- Porky of the Mounties and Porky and the Pirate ! I cannot say if he drew this book, but a collector may know. [Barrier mentions "Porky Pig and His Gang" on page 195, saying that part of the book is reprinted from "Porky of the Mounties" (OS 48). DvE.] - - - - - - - Carl Barks hand signed Uncle Scrooge Tie Item # 1171898053 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1171898053 Hello EBAY Shoppers: I am selling this great Uncle Scrooge tie I had Carl Barks sign. He was at the Disneyana convention and I was able to get him to sign this tie and several other items. One being the very first Uncle Scrooge comic "Which is also on EBAY for sale". Shipping will be $2.50 in the United States. The tie has been worn numerous times to work.The only reason I am parting with it is I need the money. - - - - - - - Carl Barks signed color photo nice! Item # 1171899591 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1171899591 You are bidding on an 8x10 color photo signed by Carl Barks.It shows Unca Carl sitting at his drawing board penning a letter to a fan.In front of him is a Big Little book that he drew.It is signed "to Marcel! Carl Barks".Very nice item not generally available.Good luck! [This colour photo is printed in greyscale in The Carl Barks Library set 1, as part of an article with a compilation of Barks letters. DvE.] - - - - - - - 1st Uncle Scrooge Comic Signed By Carl Barks Item # 1171896732 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1171896732 Hello EBAY Shoppers: I am selling this comic. It is the very first issue with Uncle Scrooge a very sought after comic. The condition is good and I had it signed by Carl Barks in 1993. He was at a Disneyana convention I was attending. [Comic is OS 386, also known as US 1. DvE.] - - - - - - - Barks Ltd Ed.10 Lithos Preliminary Paintings Item # 1172202855 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1172202855 Carl Barks Limited Edition Lithographc Suite Preliminary Paintings #404 of 500 Comes with a Carls Barks Signed Certificate of Authenticity This is one set of a limited edition of 500 suites containing ten prints each of preliminary concepts and idea sketches painted in mixed media by Carl Barks during the years 1983 to 1988. This suite was printed in the trraditional four color lithographic screened process on 80 pound Cover Karma White a fine paper constructed for strength and longevity. This archival quality product has exceptional ink holdout is acid free to resist aging, and has alkaline buffering to counteract the effects of acids. The following is a list of the lithos: Among His Souvenirs Money Lake In Uncle Walt's Collectory Trail of the Forty Thieves Sheriff of Bullet Valley Stamp Collectors' Bad Moment First National Bank of Cibola Trespassers Will Be Ventilated The Makings of a Fish Story Return to Plain Awful - - - - - - - End of part 1. - Daniel From dve at kabelfoon.nl Tue Jul 31 16:13:42 2001 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 16:13:42 +0200 Subject: Barks items (010731), part 2 Message-ID: <20010731135930.B7B367C26@hirogen.kabelfoon.nl> Continued from previous email "Barks items (010703), part 1". - - - - - - - CARL BARKS LIFE OF DONALD DUCK AUTO.FILE COPY Item # 1172851419 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1172851419 This item was acquired at Carl's estate auction !! This lot consists of the 1994 boxed book set THE LIFE OF DONALD DUCK signed by CARL BARKS inside first page & is stamped 'THIS COMIC IS THE PERSONAL FILE COPY OF CARL BARKS ANYONE ELSE POSSESSING THE BOOK HAS STOLEN IT.Also contains a fireside chat with CARL & DONALD on CD,& great postcard of a duck oil painting . A GREAT SIGNED PIECE FROM CARL'S OWN HOME!!WE ALL WILL MISS THE JOY THIS GREAT MAN & ARTIST BROUGHT TO THE WORLD. THE AUCTION WAS HELD IN GRANTS PASS,OREGON AT HIS HOME ON JUNE 30 2001 . I WAS ABLE TO ACQUIRE MOST OF HIS DRAWING & PAINTING UTENSILES & WILL BE PUTTING MANY UP ON AUCTION SOON! ALL ITEMS WILL COME WITH AUTHENTICATION FROM THE AUCTIONEER & COPY OF AUCTION RECIEPT. [Second picture "http://diamondacquisitions.homestead.com/files/cbdb1.jpg" does not show up at the moment of compiling this email. DvE.] - - - - - - - RARE SCROOGE MCDUCK DONALD BOOK SIGNED BARKS Item # 1172489461 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1172489461 THIS IS A DELUXE DISNEY BOOK FEATURING A LONG STORY ON CARL BARKS' EAST COAST 95TH BIRTHDAY EVENT...WITH MANY COLOR PHOTOGRAPHS. THIS UNUSUAL COLLECTOR'S BOOK IS AUTOGRAPHED WITH AN OVERSIZE "CARL BARKS" IN LARGE BLACK SHARPIE ON THE FIRST COLOR PRINTED PAGE. THIS IS A SPECIAL 1996 FINISH EDITION. UNCLE SCROOGE, DONALD DUCK, AND HUEY, DEWEY AND LOUIE ARE FEATURED IN TEN COLORED STORIES AFTER THE BARKS BIRTHDAY EVENT STORY. THIS HARDBOUND 168 PAGE BOOK IS PRINTED ON FINE PAPER. BARKS PHOTOGRAPHS ARE PRINTED FROM ORIGINAL TRANSPARENCIES. THE COLOR IS CRISP AND CLEAR. THIS DONALD DUCK BOOK (AKU ANKA IN FINNISH)IS IN EXCELLENT CONDITION. THE SPINE HAS NOT BEEN CRACKED. IT HAS NOT BEEN READ. [Title on picture is something like "Aku Ankan FuhlaSariat 6". Picture is small and I can't read Finnish, which makes it difficult to decipher for me. DvE.] - - - - - - - CARL BARKS SIGNED PINBACK SCROOGE MCDUCK Item # 1172499642 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1172499642 WOW! A WEARABLE ILLUSTRATED ORIGINAL BARKS' AUTOGRAPH! THIS DISNEY WORLD EVENT COLLECTIBLE WAS A SIGNED LIMITED EDITION OF THREE! IT WAS AUTOGRAPHED AND CREATED FOR THE UNCLE SCROOGE 50TH BIRTHDAY CELEBRATION IN 1997. THIS ALSO CELEBRATED THE 96TH BIRTHDAY OF CARL BARKS. IT WAS THE LAST DISNEY EVENT THAT BARKS WOULD ATTEND. THE EVENT WAS HELD AT THE "CALIFORNIA GRILL" RESTAURANT IN THE "CONTEMPORAY RESORT" AT WALT DISNEY WORLD. THESE SPECIAL PIN BACK BUTTONS WERE MADE BEFORE THE EVENT. BARKS SIGNED EACH PIN AT THE EVENT. THE BUTTON WAS THEN PROCESSED IN NORMAL BUTTON PLASTIC. WITH THIS PINBACK YOU CAN WEAR AN ORIGINAL AUTOGRAPH OF CARL BARKS WITH HIS PICTURE. THE CONDITION OF THIS COLLECTIBLE IS EXCELLENT. THE ITEM HAS BEEN STORED IN OUR COLLECTION SINCE 1996. COLORS ARE BRIGHT AND TIGHT. - - - - - - - CARL BARKS CHARACATUR CARTOONIST PINBACK Item # 1172510792 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1172510792 THIS HOT COLLECTIBLE WAS PRODUCED ABOUT TWENTY YEARS AGO! IT FEATURES AN EARLY 80s CHARACATUR OF CARL BARKS. THIS OLD BUTTON PINBACK IS BRIGHT YELLOW AND FEATRUES BARKS DRESSED AS DONALD DUCK. IT IS FROM "THE FAMOUS CARTOONIST SERIES THREE". THE PRODUCER IS PINBACK JACK, WIS. THE CONDITION IS EXCELLENT. IT HAS BEEN STORED IN OUR COLLECTION FOR ABOUT TWO DECADES. - - - - - - - CARL BARKS LIMITED EDITION MUG EUROPE 1994 Item # 1172600927 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1172600927 THIS MUG WAS CREATED FROM CARL'S SELF CARICATURE, FOR DONALD'S 60TH BIRTHDAY CELEBRATION AND BARKS' EUROPEAN TOUR IN 1994. THE EDITION SIZE WAS 12 - THIS IS #7/12. THE MUG COMES WITH A CERTIFICATE OF AUTHINTICITY SIGNED BY THE TWO PEOPLE THAT PRODUCED THIS MUG IN COPENHAGEN. THE MUG AND THE C OF A ARE NUMBERED. This is a truly unique collectible. They were only available in Copenhagen and sold out immediately. - - - - - - - RARE ?CARL BARKS DONALD DUCK PIN-BACK Item # 1172883233 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1172883233 ?CARL BARKS pin - from the CARL BARKS STUDIO. This is from about 10 years ago or so and is a rendition of Donald Duck as St. George Slaying the Dragon. This is from a limited edition of 250 and they are RARE. They will never be reproduced as it is copyrighted and Mr. Barks just passed away last year. Size - 1 1/2" X 1". The gold gilt finish on the armor, helmet and gloves doesn't come through in the photo - CUTE, NEW and RARE! [Picture is 1970s non-Disney watercolor. It doesn't contain Donald. DvE.] - - - - - - - SCROOGE McDUCK BOOK-SIGNED BY CARL BARKS Item # 1173112651 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1173112651 This book was produced in Italy in 1993. It is titled The comedy of Uncle Scrooge - or something close to that in Italian! It is a hard bound book with a great glossy graphic cover and gloss pages. There are many Scrooge comic stories inside, as well as other printed information about Scrooge and his adventures. Carl Barks signed this book on the inside title page in black sharpe marker. The Italians are huge Scrooge fans and this book goes to prove it! It is beautifully done. [Title on picture is "L'Economia Di Zio Paperone Volume 2". DvE.] - - - - - - - CARL BARKS DONALD DUCK CHARACTER WATCH Item # 1173065760 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1173065760 THIS WATCH IS ABOUT 10 YEARS OLD. IT WAS SOLD IN "ANTIQUES AND COLLECTIBLES" DURING EARLY DISNEYANA CONVENTIONS. THIS LIMITED EDITION WAS FOR 565 PIECES AND SOLD OUT. CARL BARKS LAST ATTENDED THESE CONVENTIONS IN 1996. THE WATCH IS IN GREAT SHAPE. IT WAS WORN CAREFULLY ONCE FOR A WEEK END. IT COMES WITH THE ORIGINAL CERTIFICATE OF AUTHENTICITY AND FELT WATCH CASE. - - - - - - - End of last part. - Daniel From kfitz at halcyon.com Fri Jul 27 00:48:51 2001 From: kfitz at halcyon.com (Kathy Fitzpatrick) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 15:48:51 -0700 Subject: Sci-fi/Duck fans References: <001301c0f838$53ebe740$0201a8c0@jakob> Message-ID: <01e401c13e60$2bce2fc0$d72efea9@kfitz> The first Sci-Fi book I read that got me started was "Mindswap", can never remember the author, don't think he wrote anything else. It should not be surprising that many of us like fantasy and science fiction since to love Ducks means to have possibly unlimited imagination. I also believe most people on the list are very creative and use their imagination to enrich their lives to keep their jobs and marriages (those of us that are married) interesting and fun. I can't imagine being married to someone who didn't also read about Ducks and Mice... -Kathy