Turning to you experts

Wes Andersen phester63 at hotmail.com
Tue Sep 25 18:21:03 CEST 2001


Just some favors:

1) Can someone tell me what state Duckburg is in? I keep wanting to say 
"Calistoga" but I know that must be wrong.

2) Where can I see a scan of the Money Bin Blueprints I've heard tell about?

3) Is there a web site with Don's Duck Family Tree posted (and is it legal?)

4) When, oh, when will I see a US Duck comic published again??

-- Wes

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>    1. Grandma (Luca Boschi)
>    2. a duck's bill (Arne Voigtmann)
>    3. Re: Grandma (Armando Botto)
>    4. Political rantings (Rodney w bowcock jr.)
>    5. RE: Political rantings (Fabio Blanco)
>    6. RE: Political rantings (Fabio Blanco)
>    7. Re: Political rantings (=?iso-8859-1?q?S=F8ren=20Krarup=20Olesen?=)
>    8. Drawing from Norway? (Rob Klein)
>    9. Plagiarism or tribute? (Kriton Kyrimis)
>   10. RE: Plagiarism or tribute? (Fabio Blanco)
>   11. Den Bosch, the Dutch San Diego (??) (Fluks, H.W.)
>   12. RE: Drawing from Norway? (Fluks, H.W.)
>   13. Re: Plagiarism or tribute? (frspreaf at tin.it)
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>Message: 1
>Date:   Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:34:03 +0100
>Subject: Grandma
>From: "Luca Boschi" <cnotw at zen.it>
>To: Luca Faccioli <fasu7 at libero.it>,
>         Disney Comics Mailing List <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
>
> > QUESTO MESSAGGIO E' IN FORMATO MIME. PoichŽ il sistema di messaggistica 
>non riconosce
>questo formato, il messaggio o parte di esso pu˜ non essere leggibile.
>
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>Dear "omonimous" Luca,
>
>I read your mail, fastly, and I can say...
>
>    I only remember a Strobl' story inside referring to Grandma duck and a
>young nice female Duck in his farm with a  hat with a star put into (she
>should be a western - Movie star ...)
>
>Well, it's NOT a Strobl story. It's a Frank McSavage one, IMHO, one of my
>favourite stories with Grandma... "Grandma Duck in Hollywood", published in
>an old Christmas Parade (# 5, 1953) with a wonderful art. In that story, 
>her
>name is not Elviry, is Abigail (in Italian "Rita Papera"), but, I want to
>think that's only a nickname... It deserves a reprint, in Italy, too...
>Maybe you read the reprint in a "Albi della Rosa", published in the early
>1960. It's the second and last print of that story, in Italy. More than 41
>years ago!!!
>
>Bye!
>
>Luca
>
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><TITLE>Grandma</TITLE>
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>Dear &quot;omonimous&quot; Luca,<BR>
><BR>
>I read your mail, fastly, and I can say...<BR>
><BLOCKQUOTE>&nbsp;<BR>
><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I only remember a 
><B>St=
>robl' </B>story inside referring to <B>Grandma duck </B>and a <B>young nice 
>=
>female Duck in his farm with a &nbsp;hat with a star put into </B>(she 
>shoul=
>d be a <B>western - Movie star ...)<BR>
></B></FONT></FONT><BR>
></BLOCKQUOTE>Well, it's NOT a Strobl story. It's a Frank McSavage one, 
>IMHO=
>, one of my favourite stories with Grandma... &quot;Grandma Duck in 
>Hollywoo=
>d&quot;, published in an old Christmas Parade (# 5, 1953) with a wonderful 
>a=
>rt. In that story, her name is not Elviry, is Abigail (in Italian 
>&quot;Rita=
>  Papera&quot;), but, I want to think that's only a nickname... It deserves 
>a=
>  reprint, in Italy, too... Maybe you read the reprint in a &quot;Albi 
>della =
>Rosa&quot;, published in the early 1960. It's the second and last print of 
>t=
>hat story, in Italy. More than 41 years ago!!!<BR>
><BR>
>Bye!<BR>
><BR>
>Luca<BR>
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>Message: 2
>Date:   Mon, 24 Sep 2001 21:14:10 +0200
>From: Arne Voigtmann <arnevoigtmann at gmx.de>
>To: "'dcml at stp.ling.uu.se'" <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
>Subject: a duck's bill
>
>Hi!
>Can anyone tell me how I can draw a duck's bill? I have tried it a
>thousand times but they always look strange and not like a bill. Is
>there a trick how it can be drwawn properly?
>
>Greetings,
>Arne.
>
>
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>Message: 3
>From: "Armando Botto" <armando.botto at libero.it>
>To: "dcml" <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
>Subject: Re: Grandma
>Date:   Mon, 24 Sep 2001 21:38:58 +0200
>
>Luca Faccioli wrote:
> > in the italian version the background is blue and you can see one of the 
>3
>nephews crying, in front of us there is an angry DD going away with a 
>broken
>arch in his hand and an arrow that has been throwed inside his hat. [...]
>Sometimes I thought to have dreamed about it but italian "Topolino" n. 865 
>-
>july 1972- printed a draw of one readers showing that cover! So it surely
>exists !
>
>Actually, the drawing is in "Topolino" n. 867... Well, that Donald Duck
>looked familiar to me: in fact, it's taken from the cover of "Topolino" n.
>810 (June 1971), which in turn is the Italian reprint of the cover of
>"Donald Duck" n. 136 (March 1971, titled "All the Crabby Ducks": Harry,
>maybe a [desc] should be added to the Inducks... something like "reporter 
>DA
>and angry DD pursued by Indians").
>
> > I only remember a Strobl' story inside referring to Grandma duck and a
>young nice female Duck in his farm with an hat with a star put into (she
>should be a western - Movie star ...)
>
>There's no such story in "Topolino" n. 810. But then, the background of the
>cover is green, and not blue as you remember... Maybe there was another
>Italian comic whose cover was partly redrawn from the one of DD 136,
>replacing Daisy and the Indians with the crying nephew ? Or, also, was the
>Donald in the cover of DD 136 taken from a previous American cover (not 
>very
>likely, but...) ?
>I must say that the gag in TL 867 (by a mr. Antonio Borella) is rather
>well-built: apart from the addition of the nephew, Donald is not simply
>traced, but some details are added or modified... it doesn't look like the
>work of a reader. But I might be wrong...
>
>Hope it helps,
>Armando
>
>
>
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>Message: 4
>To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Date:   Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:15:15 -0400
>Subject: Political rantings
>From: "Rodney w bowcock jr." <rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com>
>
>I thought this list was created to discuss Disney comics, not for
>political debates.  Am I the only one who thinks this way?
>
>I joined this list to talk about escapist entertainment, not to recieve
>yet another e-mail of political diatribes that I'd rather not hear about.
>  What happened was a terrible thing, but that doesn't mean that war is
>the answer.  No human is going to be able to solve the terrible things
>that other humans do to each other.
>
>Can we *all please* get back on topic?
>
>In the meantime, I'm going to go and savor the feelings of reading a
>Barks story I've never read before.
>
>
>Rodney Bowcock
>
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>Message: 5
>Reply-To: "Fabio Blanco" <longtom at oeste.com.ar>
>From: "Fabio Blanco" <longtom at oeste.com.ar>
>To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
>Subject: RE: Political rantings
>Date:   Mon, 24 Sep 2001 20:14:34 -0300
>
>
> > I thought this list was created to discuss Disney comics, not for
> > political debates.  Am I the only one who thinks this way?
>
>Not, I am sick of this in the news. I prefer head on the next Scrooge
>search, than see the news about the next dirty war of some nixonian
>messianic american president...
>
>Er... our messages aren't trolls... they aren't?
>
>Fabio
>
>
>
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>Message: 6
>Reply-To: "Fabio Blanco" <longtom at oeste.com.ar>
>From: "Fabio Blanco" <longtom at oeste.com.ar>
>To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
>Subject: RE: Political rantings
>Date:   Mon, 24 Sep 2001 21:25:33 -0300
>
>I am shame of myself for say these politics things. The temptation is
>much.sorry!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>Message: 7
>From: =?iso-8859-1?q?S=F8ren=20Krarup=20Olesen?= <raptus at stofanet.dk>
>Organization: Department of Acoustics, Aalborg University
>To: Disney Comics Mailing List <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
>Subject: Re: Political rantings
>Date:   Tue, 25 Sep 2001 02:54:19 +0200
>
>FABIO:
>
> > Not, I am sick of this in the news. I prefer head on the next Scrooge
> > search, than see the news about the next dirty war of some nixonian
> > messianic american president...
>
>:-) Yes, and so do I, but let's be frank on this one. George W. Bush is
>perhaps not exactly the state leader one would think of as being the
>most intelligent person in the world. However, this fact might also
>have its benifits. Having this kind of indecisive leadership might cool
>down some of the extremists on the other side, who simply wish to wipe
>out every living creature in Afghanistan.
>
>To be honest with you, at the beginning I feared that Mr. Bush would
>promptly start such actions, but this has not happened. Fortunately!
>
>Naive, as it can seem, I am still convienced that terrorism and evil
>can only be stopped by knowledge, caring, love, education and freedom
>and many more. Values which are essential to the world we live in.
>
>We can but only spread that message IMO. Bombing has never ever made
>anyone happy!
>
>I watched it live when the second tower crashed, I was so furious,
>shortly afterwards, I went down partly dizzy for cigs at my local shop
>who happens to be own by an Iraqi who commented on the situation that
>"this must have been expensive" (refering to the WTC itself). His
>Danish isn't perfect, but I was just about to get really pissed off,
>because that was not really the issue. Who cares what it costs in terms
>of money anyway?!
>
>For a fragment of a second (although being pure socialist/"liberal") I
>hated every foreign, but immediately realised that this is NOT the way
>to treat things.
>
>Well, those were my 5 øre on this.
>
>...something I've realised, Europe and America have become a bit closer
>during these troubled times. And that I like :-)
>
>Søren
>
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>Message: 8
>Reply-To: <bi442 at lafn.org>
>From: "Rob Klein" <bi442 at lafn.org>
>To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
>Subject: Drawing from Norway?
>Date:   Mon, 24 Sep 2001 20:25:32 -0700
>
>Hello, fellow list members.  On 13 Sept. I received a one-word note from
>Anne Lise Rydland of Norway reading: "drawin", with a 61K attachment
>titled: "drawingMSDraw".  I couldn't open the attachment.  Perhaps it is a
>MacIntosh graphics file, without the conversion file to allow it to be read
>by a PC system.
>Anne Lise, if you are reading this, please let me know if you intended it
>for me to view.  If so, please let me know what is in it.
>
>Any other DCML members:  If you have seen it, please let me know what it
>is.  I don't remember seeing Anne Lise's name on our list.  Does anyone
>know her?  Thanks,  Rob Klein
>
>
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>
>Message: 9
>Date:   Tue, 25 Sep 2001 08:06:28 +0300 (EET DST)
>From: Kriton Kyrimis <kyrimis at cti.gr>
>To: Disney comics <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
>Subject: Plagiarism or tribute?
>
>I recently read ``Paperino e le teste "a zero"'' (ITL 259-B) by
>Martina/Carpi.  I was surprised to see that this story was a duck
>version of Gottfredson's story with Mickey running a detective agency,
>with exactly the same plot and gags.  Does anyone know if this was meant
>as a tribute to Gottfredson, or if it was just a rip-off?
>
>	Kriton	(e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
>	      	(WWW:    http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
>-----
>"You are arrogant, you 're overbearing, and you think you know everything."
>"But, I do know everything."
>"That makes it even worse."
>-----
>
>
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>Message: 10
>Reply-To: "Fabio Blanco" <longtom at oeste.com.ar>
>From: "Fabio Blanco" <longtom at oeste.com.ar>
>To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
>Subject: RE: Plagiarism or tribute?
>Date:   Tue, 25 Sep 2001 03:13:31 -0300
>
>Generally, when you want make the question, is plagiarism...
>
>
>
> > I recently read ``Paperino e le teste "a zero"'' (ITL 259-B) by
> > Martina/Carpi.  I was surprised to see that this story was a duck
> > version of Gottfredson's story with Mickey running a detective agency,
> > with exactly the same plot and gags.  Does anyone know if this was meant
> > as a tribute to Gottfredson, or if it was just a rip-off?
>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 11
>From: "Fluks, H.W." <H.W.Fluks at kpn.com>
>To: "'dcml at stp.ling.uu.se'" <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
>Subject: Den Bosch, the Dutch San Diego (??)
>Date:   Tue, 25 Sep 2001 10:34:42 +0100
>
>Some time ago, Ivo van Wieringen wrote:
>
> >>> On 22 and 23 September there will be the annual Stripdagen (comic
> >>> convention) in Den Bosch.
> > I visit the Stripdagen since 1980 or so.
> > I don't exacly why, because it's one big commercial selling
> > circus, and
> > every year less artists are coming, but it gives the feeling
> > that you are
> > not alone in reading/collecting comics/graphic
> > novels/sequential art.
>
>This text has been more true than ever, the past weekend. This year's
>convention was the *worst* one that I have attended in the past 20 years!
>Very few sellers or comic artists. Very few interesting things to see or 
>do.
>
>An exception was the Daan Jippes happening on Saturday: he got the prize
>(Stripschapprijs) for his entire work, and he held a speech. After that, 
>all
>interesting people went to a "vip room" where no-one else was allowed to
>go...
>Fortunately, Jippes walked around "in the wild" later that day. So I could
>make some photographs of him at the Jippes exhibition. (That exhibition 
>also
>featured an "advertisement" poster for our Inducks project.)
>
>The exhibition hall was so empty and dull, that at a certain time, two of
>the Dutch Disney artists, Bas and Mau Heymans, started making some music 
>(in
>stead of making fan drawings)!
>
>But Ivo's second observation was very true: the convention have us
>Disney-comic fans the feeling that we are not alone. And in that respect
>this was one of the *best* Dutch conventions that I've attended in the past
>20 years.
>
>We had a meeting near the "Donald Duck" stand, with Andreas & wife, Angela 
>&
>Roy, Arthur, Daniël, Henri, and François. I guess Duco was already gone 
>long
>before. And I haven't seen Ivo either, unfortunately.
>
>We chatted a lot, also with the Disney artists who happened to be nearby. 
>(I
>hope to have some photographs on-line tomorrow.)
>After the convention closed, six of us had a nice (Italian) dinner in the
>centre of Den Bosch, and a drink on a terrace afterwards.
>
>So we had a lot of talking and meeting people, and I liked it very much.
>I think I'll attend next year's convention, but probably *only* for that
>reason...
>
>--Harry.
>
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>
>Message: 12
>From: "Fluks, H.W." <H.W.Fluks at kpn.com>
>To: "'bi442 at lafn.org'" <bi442 at lafn.org>, dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Subject: RE: Drawing from Norway?
>Date:   Tue, 25 Sep 2001 10:50:36 +0100
>
>Rob:
>
> > Hello, fellow list members.  On 13 Sept. I received a
> > one-word note from
> > Anne Lise Rydland of Norway reading: "drawin", with a 61K attachment
> > titled: "drawingMSDraw".  I couldn't open the attachment.
>
>Be careful when you get messages with attachments from people you don't
>know. I got a Norwegian message last week, and it contained a computer
>virus. I heard from a few other DCML people that they got the virus too.
>
>You may have been lucky that you couldn't open the attachment. Otherwise
>your computer might have been infected.
>
>Of course, the mail could also have contained a *real* drawing. But better
>check that first.
>
>--Harry.
>
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>Message: 13
>From: <frspreaf at tin.it>
>To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Subject: Re: Plagiarism or tribute?
>Date:   Tue, 25 Sep 2001 10:55:25 CEST
>
> > Da: Kriton Kyrimis <kyrimis at cti.gr>
>
> > Does anyone know if this was meant as a tribute to
> > Gottfredson, or if it was just a rip-off?
>
>Of course it was a tribute. But there was no way to publicly state it was, 
>at the time. (On Topolino there is no place for a "note" saying "this is a 
>tribute").
>
>--
>Francesco
>
>
>
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