From captaintube at hotmail.com Tue Oct 1 15:37:53 2002 From: captaintube at hotmail.com (Tim Rogers) Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 14:37:53 +0100 Subject: Publication of Disney comics in the US? Message-ID: >Does any one have Michael Eisner's personal e-mail address? I work for Disney in the U.K, and Eisner does NOT appear in the global address listing, so he's NOT available via disney.com. I have also asked around the publishing people in the know in London, and they know nothing of any future US deals. damn. Tim _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From hal_jordan at libero.it Wed Oct 2 13:36:34 2002 From: hal_jordan at libero.it (hal_jordan@libero.it) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 13:36:34 +0200 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Publication_of_Disney_comics_in_the_US=3F_?= Message-ID: Hello everybody, a couple of months ago I wrote to Russ Cochran and asked about Disney Comics in the US and he mentioned that "something is going on" but he couldn't be more informative. At the same time, even if most of you have already done that, I suggest to take a look at the following Bruce Hamilton web page: www.brucehamilton.com/brucehamco.html. Ciao Giovanni From oleroc at tdcspace.dk Wed Oct 2 21:59:30 2002 From: oleroc at tdcspace.dk (Ole Reichstein Nielsen) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 21:59:30 +0200 Subject: About fanzine publishing References: <200210011001.g91A1hD24903@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <002301c26a4e$3b810620$4f9af33e@opasia.dk> When discussing fanzines - especially in this forum - it would be an idea to consider virtual publishing, which would nullify printing and distribution costs. A more professional approach can be seeen at http://borderlinemagazine.co.uk/ -- Ole From armando.botto at libero.it Sun Oct 6 14:54:18 2002 From: armando.botto at libero.it (Armando Botto) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 14:54:18 +0200 Subject: Help needed from French members Message-ID: <00e301c26d37$88e47e60$080a1c97@prebx98> While working for the Inducks database, we've come across a few stories produced by the Disney Studio in the 60es, for which only the French reprint is known (so far). Is there any French collector on the DCML list who could provide us with some more info about those stories (basically, a description of the plot would suffice) ? The stories are the following: - "Bibi Lapin parmi les ?toiles" (original code and title: S 64087 "Competition for Molly"), published in issue # 786 of "Le Journal de Mickey", in issue # 39 of "Album du Journal de Mickey", and in issue # 102 of "Mickey Poche". - "Basile et Miss yeux bleus" (original code and title: S 65175 "Miss Big Blue Eyes"), published in issue # 816 of "Le Journal de Mickey", in issue # 41 of "Album du Journal de Mickey", and in issue # 116 of "Mickey Poche". - "C'?tait ? prevoir" (original code and title: S 67136 "In Search of the Great Curse"), published in issue # 865 of "Le Journal de Mickey", in issue # 44 of "Album du Journal de Mickey", and in issue # 120 of "Mickey Poche". - "Acheter ne suffit pas" (original code and title: S 65070 "Nothing to Crow About"), published in issue # 1147 of "Le Journal de Mickey" and in issue # 62 of "Album du Journal de Mickey". Thanks in advance, Ciao, Armando From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Sun Oct 6 17:43:04 2002 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 17:43:04 +0200 Subject: Help needed from French members References: <00e301c26d37$88e47e60$080a1c97@prebx98> Message-ID: <000b01c26d4f$0f9a2740$311efbc1@computer> Sorry, Armando, I don't have these. I hope someone has the information. From sigvald4 at yahoo.no Tue Oct 1 01:22:28 2002 From: sigvald4 at yahoo.no (=?iso-8859-1?q?Sigvald=20Gr=F8sfjeld=20jr.?=) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 01:22:28 +0200 (CEST) Subject: "The lives and times in Duckburg" has been updated and moved! Message-ID: <20020930232228.86643.qmail@web14810.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all! My 'famous' "The lives and times in Duckburg" section about the history of Duckburg, has now been updated and moved to the same server as my other sections to avoid the massive amount of banners and pop-ups at Fortunecity. The new address is: http://duckman.pettho.com/history/history.html Please feel free to tell me if you find any errors or if you know about accurate information which is still missing in these pages. Best regards from Sigvald :-) ______________________________________________________ Se den nye Yahoo! Mail p? http://no.yahoo.com/ Nytt design, enklere ? bruke, alltid tilgang til Adressebok, Kalender og Notisbok From gerd.syllwasschy at web.de Sun Oct 6 21:32:41 2002 From: gerd.syllwasschy at web.de (Gerd Syllwasschy) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 21:32:41 +0200 Subject: Uncle Scrooge #67 and The Doom Diamond Message-ID: <006b01c26d6f$293805d0$0100a8c0@medion> Recently I was sent a scan of Carl Barks' pencil sketch for the cover of Uncle Scrooge #70, "The Doom Diamond". There is a note scribbled into one corner in what is obviously Barks' own handwriting, saying, "Doom Diamond #67". This seems to indicate that the story was originally scheduled for US 67 - which would quite make sense, since Barks (according to Michael Barrier's bibliography) submitted "The Doom Diamond" on 19 March 1966, while US 66 "The Heedless Horseman" was submitted on 15 February 1966 and US 68 "Hall of the Mermaid Queen" on 13 April 1966. (Actually, US 69 "The Cattle King" was the last story with finished art Barks ever did for the Uncle Scrooge books.) However, US 67 only contained a reprint of US 10 "The Fabulous Philosopher's Stone" (and a new Gyro four-pager by Phil De Lara). Can anyone imagine why the publication of "The Doom Diamond" was postponed to US 70? Gerd From sigvald at duckburg.dk Sun Oct 6 23:07:04 2002 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (sigvald@duckburg.dk) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 23:07:04 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Virus from Harry Fluks Message-ID: <200210062107.g96L74p87095@backup.dht.dk> Hi all! Today I recieved a virus which apeared to come from Harry Fluks. And I am sorry to say that this one was very seriously and dangerous because it was attached to a real mail that was once written by Harry, a mail about DCMLs 10 year anniversary. I hope the one here whos PC is infected with the virus can find it and terminate it before it does any harm. Best regards from Sigvald :-) From frankbubacz at hotmail.com Mon Oct 7 20:58:48 2002 From: frankbubacz at hotmail.com (Frank Bubacz) Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 20:58:48 +0200 Subject: Virus from Harry Fluks Message-ID: >From: sigvald > >Today I recieved a virus which apeared to come from Harry Fluks. Did the e-mail address end with "bellsouth"? I received the same mail, but fortunately it was sorted out as junk. Frank _________________________________________________________________ Werden Sie Mitglied bei MSN Hotmail, dem gr??ten E-Mail-Service der Welt: http://www.hotmail.com/de From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Mon Oct 7 21:12:04 2002 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 21:12:04 +0200 Subject: Virus from Harry Fluks References: Message-ID: <004301c26e35$6c9632e0$e2d6fdc1@computer> Hi! >> Did the e-mail address end with "bellsouth"? I confirm Sigvald & Franck's (above) messages: I received the same thing from H.W.Fluks at bellsouth.net. , which is not Harry's address. The title is "Re: celebrating, and the text consists of "Per wrote:" plus two quoted paragraphs. There's something attached. Norton's antivirus didn't detect any activity. I hope it's something you can get rid of, Harry. But howcome it quotes a message? Did it pick something you sent to use as a camouflage? Or can it be an "exterior virus" that scanned, say, the DCML or anyone's else mail, copied this bit of message and Harry's address, and is now genereting these things? The fact that it doesn't use Harry's address (or maybe it's just an address you don't use on the DCMl) seems to confirm this. Best wishes, Olivier From reimersholme at hotmail.com Mon Oct 7 21:33:49 2002 From: reimersholme at hotmail.com (Stefan Persson) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 21:33:49 +0200 Subject: Virus from Harry Fluks References: <004301c26e35$6c9632e0$e2d6fdc1@computer> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Olivier" To: "x DCML" Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 9:12 PM Subject: Re: Virus from Harry Fluks > I hope it's something you can get rid of, Harry. But howcome it quotes a message? Did it pick > something you sent to use as a camouflage? Or can it be an "exterior virus" that scanned, say, the > DCML or anyone's else mail, copied this bit of message and Harry's address, and is now genereting > these things? The fact that it doesn't use Harry's address (or maybe it's just an address you don't > use on the DCMl) seems to confirm this. It is most likely that the virus was *not* sent by Harry: * Most viruses are sent from other addresses and people than specified. * Harry was in Denmark when that virus was sent, meaning that his computer was turned off. * If Harry's name was included, that's wrong too: Harry's name isn't mentioned in the "from" field in ordinary mails, only his e-mail address. * Harry's e-mail address was wrong. Stefan From agememnon75 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 7 15:38:17 2002 From: agememnon75 at yahoo.com (Age Middelkoop) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 06:38:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: dutch duck Message-ID: <20021007133817.13832.qmail@web13101.mail.yahoo.com> Last saturday, several dutch magazine collectors (even 2 DCML-members) met in Utrecht. When all participants in this meeting combine their collections, they own most post-WWII Dutch magazines. Unfortunately, the years 1955 and 1959 of the dutch weekly are, except a few issues, not in any participants collection. If any of the members of this list owns these issues (or knows anybody who does), and is willing to share the info on these issues with us, please contact me at agememnon75 at yahoo.com thanks --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20021007/044ad1cb/attachment.html From sonia_dyer at hp.com Tue Oct 8 07:35:19 2002 From: sonia_dyer at hp.com (DYER,SONIA (HP-Cupertino,ex1)) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 01:35:19 -0400 Subject: Live and Times of Duckburg Message-ID: <580F4ACFCD8F4E439B06B815110418C7569877@xcup03.cup.hp.com> Hello Sigvald- I really love your Life and Times of Duckburg page. It's exceptionally well done! Sonia From Ari.Seppi at uta.fi Tue Oct 8 07:33:09 2002 From: Ari.Seppi at uta.fi (Ari.Seppi@uta.fi) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 08:33:09 +0300 Subject: Virus from Harry Fluks In-Reply-To: References: <004301c26e35$6c9632e0$e2d6fdc1@computer> Message-ID: <1034055189.3da26e15ebfc4@imp2.uta.fi> Stefan: > It is most likely that the virus was *not* sent by Harry: > > * Most viruses are sent from other addresses and people than specified. > [...] and * The first entry in the message path contained (if I remember correctly) swipnet.se, so the infected member is probably one of swipnet.se -users. From r.kooijman4 at chello.nl Tue Oct 8 19:05:02 2002 From: r.kooijman4 at chello.nl (Roy Kooijman) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 19:05:02 +0200 Subject: dutch duck In-Reply-To: <20021007133817.13832.qmail@web13101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000801c26eec$d7cbf380$f6d3c23e@arnhem.chello.nl> > From: dcml-admin at stp.ling.uu.se [mailto:dcml-admin at stp.ling.uu.se] On Behalf Of Age Middelkoop > Sent: maandag 7 oktober 2002 15:38 > To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se > Subject: dutch duck > Last saturday, several dutch magazine collectors (even 2 DCML-members) > met in Utrecht. When all participants in this meeting combine their > collections, they own most post-WWII Dutch magazines. Unfortunately, > the years 1955 and 1959 of the dutch weekly are, except a few issues, > not in any participants collection. If any of the members of this list > owns these issues (or knows anybody who does), and is willing to share > the info on these issues with us, please contact me at > agememnon75 at yahoo.com Hi Age Interesting to learn a few dutch disney fans met! What kind of info are you looking for, I have those years complete. Roy From r.kooijman4 at chello.nl Tue Oct 8 19:05:46 2002 From: r.kooijman4 at chello.nl (Roy Kooijman) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 19:05:46 +0200 Subject: dutch duck In-Reply-To: <20021007133817.13832.qmail@web13101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901c26eec$f1ebe0e0$f6d3c23e@arnhem.chello.nl> > From: dcml-admin at stp.ling.uu.se [mailto:dcml-admin at stp.ling.uu.se] On Behalf Of Age Middelkoop > Sent: maandag 7 oktober 2002 15:38 > To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se > Subject: dutch duck > Last saturday, several dutch magazine collectors (even 2 DCML-members) > met in Utrecht. When all participants in this meeting combine their > collections, they own most post-WWII Dutch magazines. Unfortunately, > the years 1955 and 1959 of the dutch weekly are, except a few issues, > not in any participants collection. If any of the members of this list > owns these issues (or knows anybody who does), and is willing to share > the info on these issues with us, please contact me at > agememnon75 at yahoo.com Hi Age Interesting to learn a few dutch disney fans met! What kind of info are you looking for, I have those years complete. Roy From Indiaki786 at aol.com Tue Oct 8 22:24:46 2002 From: Indiaki786 at aol.com (Indiaki786@aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 16:24:46 EDT Subject: unsubscribe Message-ID: Q "If you ever feel so happy you land in jail, Im your bail... its friendship" Khatija -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From da8eddame at mail2justme.com Wed Oct 9 16:37:38 2002 From: da8eddame at mail2justme.com (cristy conn) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 07:37:38 -0700 Subject: help Message-ID: <31f901c26fa1$6a882400$0a09010a@mail2world.com> _______________________________________________________________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com <-----Original Message-----> > >From: dcml-request at stp.ling.uu.se >Sent: 10/9/2002 2:05:10 AM >To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se >Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #1094 - 4 msgs > >Send DCML mailing list submissions to > dcml at stp.ling.uu.se > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > dcml-request at stp.ling.uu.se > >You can reach the person managing the list at > dcml-admin at stp.ling.uu.se > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of DCML digest..." > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20021009/9906a195/attachment.html From germund.silvegren at ekol.lu.se Wed Oct 9 19:31:46 2002 From: germund.silvegren at ekol.lu.se (Germund Silvegren) Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 18:31:46 +0100 Subject: Manuel Gonzales Message-ID: Hi, does anybody know when Manuel Gonzales passed away? I can't seem to find any date anywhere. And was he born in 1912 or 1913? I have seen both years listed. /Germund From armando.botto at libero.it Wed Oct 9 21:22:04 2002 From: armando.botto at libero.it (Armando Botto) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 21:22:04 +0200 Subject: Manuel Gonzales Message-ID: <002501c26fc9$2ae11960$aa091c97@prebx98> Germund: > does anybody know when Manuel Gonzales passed away? I can't seem to find any date anywhere. And was he born in 1912 or 1913? I have seen both years listed. According to Alberto Becattini's "Disney Index", Gonzales was born on March 3rd, 1913, and passed away in March 1993. Ciao, Armando From Harald.Havas at blackbox.net Thu Oct 10 15:53:41 2002 From: Harald.Havas at blackbox.net (Harald Havas) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:53:41 +0200 Subject: Looking for Ducks in strange places... References: <002501c26fc9$2ae11960$aa091c97@prebx98> Message-ID: <004401c27064$b46bcf40$72e498d4@a8201960> Hi, you are a Norwegian Disney-Comics-Fan. Or a Swedish one? And all the years you tossed and turned in bed all night, wondering what happened to all the unsold copies? Well, I've got the answer for you!! They go straight to Gran Canaria! And stay stuck in small "Supermercados" - till some amused Austrian fan comes by and buys them - or till the rot from heat and humidity... ;-) Harald (new owner of a copy of "Onkel Skrue" #2/1999) From xephyr at cwnet.com Fri Oct 11 23:17:23 2002 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (xephyr@cwnet.com) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 17:17:23 -0400 Subject: Donald Duck's early comicstrip co-stars: Donna & Mac Message-ID: <63340-220021051121172393@M2W027.mail2web.com> Something mentioned to me by David Gerstein about four (or more?) years ago has been nagging the back of my mind ever since. We know a bit about many of Donald's co-stars in comics, such as Daisy, the Nephews (HDL), even his goat (name? Billy?), his donkey Basil, and his ostrich Hortense, and his dogs Bolivar (Bornworthy), Behemoth (Behe) & Fido, his cat Tabby, the Bee Spike (Buzz-Buzz), Chip 'n Dale, Little Gum, Peter Pig, along with more familair characters like Gladstone, Fethry, and others. However, we know little or NOTHING about his first two co-stars: Donna & Mac. Well, honestly, we know what was depicted in the cartoon "Don Donald" (1937)which featured the Senorita Donna Duck. Although it's been speculated, even at Disney, that Donna was/is really Daisy before they renamed her Daisy. We do know that early Disney characters did change their names, such as Carolyn Cow becoming Clarabelle Cow and Henry Horse becoming Horace Horsecollar or the famous case of Mortimer Mouse renamed to Mickey Mouse, though that was before his first film. Perhaps the best case was Dippy Dawg becoming Dippy the Goof and finally just plain ol' Goofy! Still, if you look at the film there is very little that reminds one of Daisy in Donna. I know at least one List member has speculated that Donna is actually Daisy's sister and the mother of the triplets April, May & June. This would obviously mean that Donald dated Donna before moving on to her sister Daisy. While it is possible, it might not be probable. As was told to me, Donna was Donald's comic-strip co-star, especially in the British magazine "Mickey Mouse Weekly" from May to August 1937. It was insinuated, though I may have misunderstood, that Donna was NOT believed to have been the same character as Daisy who didn't actually appear in comics until Nov. 4, 1940 in the "Donald Duck" Sunday comic strip which followed the theatrical release of "Mr. Duck Steps Out" inwhich Daisy first appeared earlier that same year. In any case, as freverent Disney comics fans, does this list have an official or even unofficial stand on exactly WHO Donna Duck is? Then there is the case of Donald's second comics co-star. Donna was replaced as Donald's co-star by a sailor named Mac until May 1940 when, I presume, Donald's Nephews took over, followed by Daisy. Who was Mac? What was his species? If he was a sailor, can we assume that the adventures he shared with Donald took place during Donald's time in the Navy? Does anyone have a picture of Mac that they could share with the rest of us? I'd like to add some of this information to Donald's revised HooZoo entry when I get everything reposted to the Net. Thanks, Rich Bellacera xephyr at cwnet.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From armando.botto at libero.it Sat Oct 12 15:57:38 2002 From: armando.botto at libero.it (Armando Botto) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 15:57:38 +0200 Subject: Donald Duck's early comicstrip co-stars: Donna & Mac Message-ID: <002901c271f7$570fa8a0$e10b1c97@prebx98> Hi Rich, > As was told to me, Donna was Donald's comic-strip co-star, especially in the British magazine "Mickey Mouse Weekly" from May to August 1937. As far as I know, the British one was the *only* appearance of Donna Duck as DD's co-star in a *story*... Donna was also featured in the one-page text+illustrations version of "Don Donald" in the "Good Housekeeping" magazine (Jan. 1937), in the 4-page text version of the cartoon in issue #3 of WDC&S (Dec. 1940), and in at least one illustration in the "Life of Donald Duck" book (early 40es). > It was insinuated, though I may have misunderstood, that Donna was NOT believed to have been the same character as Daisy who didn't actually appear in comics until Nov. 4, 1940 in the "Donald Duck" Sunday comic strip which followed the theatrical release of "Mr. Duck Steps Out" inwhich Daisy first appeared earlier that same year. My sources (Becattini and Boschi) concur in saying that Donna Duck is a different character from Daisy. Also, it must be noted that Al Taliaferro had both Daisy and a Mexican duck-lady "on stage" at the same time in a sequence of daily strips from August 1951 (I only have the Italian translation, so I can't tell if the name "Donna" was used that time, too). > Then there is the case of Donald's second comics co-star. Donna was replaced as Donald's co-star by a sailor named Mac until May 1940 when, I presume, Donald's Nephews took over, followed by Daisy. Who was Mac? What was his species? All the info I have about Mac come from Becattini's "Disney Comics" book. Mac was a Scottish sailor, who met Donald and Donna aboard a steamer in June 1937. As for his species, he's a dog, I suppose... > If he was a sailor, can we assume that the adventures he shared with Donald took place during Donald's time in the Navy? Nope. Donald and Mac's stories had strange and wildly imaginative settings: the Wild West, the Arabian Nights, 5000 Fathoms Under the Sea, the Moon, and even the planet Venus. > Does anyone have a picture of Mac that they could share with the rest of us? I'll scan an image from Alberto's book, and gladly send it to anyone who volunteers to put it online. One final note: William A. Ward was the artist who drew all of Donna and Mac's stories. Ciao, Armando (who would really like to see those British stories reprinted somewhere, some day...) From cnotw at zen.it Sat Oct 12 18:14:20 2002 From: cnotw at zen.it (Luca Boschi) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 18:14:20 +0200 Subject: Donna & Mac In-Reply-To: <002901c271f7$570fa8a0$e10b1c97@prebx98> Message-ID: Hi Rich, as Arm. says... > > My sources (Becattini and Boschi) concur in saying that Donna Duck is a > different character from Daisy. It was written also in *official*, approved Disney books, like my "Walt Disney Presenta Paperina e le Altre", whose informations were revised, one for one, by Greg Crosby (actually in charge at Disney USA). The same version shall be included into a next-to-come international book on the same matter. > All the info I have about Mac come from Becattini's "Disney Comics" book. > Mac was a Scottish sailor, who met Donald and Donna aboard a steamer in June > 1937. As for his species, he's a dog, I suppose.. Yes! He IS a dogfaced guy. L. From martin_olsen at post.tele.dk Sun Oct 13 17:29:26 2002 From: martin_olsen at post.tele.dk (Martin Olsen) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 17:29:26 +0200 Subject: Donna in the dailies References: <200210131005.g9DA5RD31791@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <000901c272cd$513fe800$0aabf9c3@120010035609> I can confirm that the Mexican lady duck appearing in the Donald Duck dailies in August 1951 was indeed named Donna. We never get to know har last name - even her mailbox has only "Se?orita Donna". The continuity ran for two weeks, from August 7 to August 18, 1951. In the last strip Donald is introduced by Donna to her fianc?, Manuel Gonzales! Martin. From xephyr at cwnet.com Sun Oct 13 19:48:53 2002 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 09:48:53 -0800 Subject: Donna & Mac References: <200210131001.g9DA1aD30877@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <3DA9B205.10605@cwnet.com> Thanks for the replies Armando & Luca. Very helpful. Can you tell me if Donna looked very much as she did in the cartoon (see this link) http://users.cwnet.com/xephyr/ART/Donna-Duck.gif ? It's good to know that Donna was indeed thought to be two distinctly different lady ducks in Donald's life. Armando, can you also scan a panel or two of that August 1951 comic strip from Al Taliaferro featuring the two Ducks on stage with Donald so we/I can see the difference between the Latina there and Donna, if any? It could serve as further visual proof that, at least in the mind of Mr. Taliaferro, Donna was definitely NOT Daisy. Also, Armando, I have a lot of space available on the server provided by my new ISP, so I'd love to display whatever picture you have of Donald's pal Mac. In your references, is Mac only available in Black & White or do they have a colorized version of him? I, too, would love to see the Donna and Mac stories reproduced, as well as many other features, such as the old Panchito and Jose Carioca newspaper strips. Thanks again, guys. Rich Bellacera xephyr at cwnet.com From cbriva at tin.it Sun Oct 13 20:17:58 2002 From: cbriva at tin.it (Cristina) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 19:17:58 +0100 Subject: Donna and Daisy References: <200210131005.g9DA5RD31791@numerus.ling.uu.se> <000901c272cd$513fe800$0aabf9c3@120010035609> Message-ID: <001b01c272e4$dc741420$9a1dd33e@default> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Olsen" > > > > > The continuity ran for two weeks, from August 7 to August 18, 1951. In the last strip Donald is introduced by Donna to her fianc?, Manuel Gonzales! > Actually, did someone really said Donna is NOT Daisy's sister? Because if she'd at least possibly be, it would explain many things... if Donna is Daisy's sister and Daisy has another brother (as I read somewhere) who's the husband of Della Duck, this would explain why two of them (Donna, and Della's husband) had three twins daughters/sons themselves... it'd be a sort of genetics' detail peculiar to the "Ducks" family... btw, just wondering if somewhere the theory of Donna being Daisy's sister is officially denied... From brit.lunnan at chello.no Sun Oct 13 22:45:37 2002 From: brit.lunnan at chello.no (Lunnan & Hjort) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 22:45:37 +0200 Subject: question re Bill Grandey and Kathy Morby Message-ID: <000501c272f9$7c2f6820$bdf85dd5@chello.no> Bill Grandey and Kathy Morby acted as "the managers of Carl Barks" from about 1993 to about 1998. G & M were also acting managers of "Carl Barks Studio" during this time. The full details of these years of relationship between Barks and G&M need not be discussed in detail here. Suffice it to say that relations became strained, Barks wanted to end their business arrangements, which however seemed to suit G&M, and the case ended up in court (in 1998?). I recall from seeing transcripts of the court proceedings that "abuse against the elderly" was an issue, and that Barks quite clearly won the case. G&M were told to end their business arrangements with Barks, and had to physically move away from Barks. -- After this court fall-out they for some time acted as managers for another Disney giant, Marc Davis. My curiosity and interest in this late chapter in Barks' life is aroused again when I see that G&M have been selling, and are still very actively selling, lots and lots of Barks material, via the electronic auction house eBay. They must have been selling material for several thousands of dollars. Items have included original art, objects, rare comics signed by Barks, and other Barks and Disney-memorabilia. I find it natural to inquire (neutrally and politely) how G&M managed to come in possession of all this material. Did they buy it all from Barks? Or were G&M and Barks legally speaking co-owners of Barks' collections of earlier art, comics, books, etc.? My intention is not to open the gates for simplistic speculations or to initiate Olympian jumps to conclusions. I would like to learn simple facts about how the Carl Barks Studio ended, what rights Barks were awarded, what rights G&M were awarded, what G&M were told by law to do and not to do in 1998 -- these should be public facts, available (for example) from official transcripts of the court case. Perhaps someone here has name and address of the lawyer(s) who represented Barks then. Feel also free to communicate to/with me privately, in case you consider what you'd like to say does not suit the DCML. Nils Lid Hjort / nils at math.uio.no From shadz at email.com Mon Oct 14 07:11:06 2002 From: shadz at email.com (Shad Z.) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 22:11:06 -0700 Subject: Donna & Mac Message-ID: <20021014051106.18893.qmail@email.com> From: Luca Boschi > > My sources (Becattini and Boschi) concur in saying > > that Donna Duck is a different character from Daisy. > > It was written also in *official*, approved Disney > books, like my "Walt Disney Presenta Paperina e le > Altre", whose informations were revised, one for one, > by Greg Crosby (actually in charge at Disney USA). > The same version shall be included into a next-to- > come international book on the same matter. But other parts of the huge Disney corporation disagree. See this pin that went on sale in Disneyland in the spring of 2002. Whoever OKed it apparently does feel that Donna Duck and Daisy Duck are the same person/duck: http://www.pinpics.com/cgi-bin/pin.cgi?pin=9078 The people in charge of the pins also recently changed Grandma Duck's hair color from white to grey, so what do they know? Shad Z. ^Q^ (ShadZ at rocketmail.com,ShadZ at email.com,Jackalope7 at go.com) http://shadz.homestead.com/files/ HONK TO SEE PUPPIES Sign along US 287, Loveland CO -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup "Free price comparison tool gives you the best prices and cash back!" http://www.bestbuyfinder.com/download.htm From Armando.Botto at elsag.it Mon Oct 14 10:15:30 2002 From: Armando.Botto at elsag.it (Botto Armando) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 10:15:30 +0200 Subject: Donna & Mac Message-ID: Hi Rich, > Can you tell me if Donna looked very much as she did in the cartoon (see this link) http://users.cwnet.com/xephyr/ART/Donna-Duck.gif ? Yes, she did. > Armando, can you also scan a panel or two of that August 1951 comic strip from Al Taliaferro featuring the two Ducks on stage with Donald so we/I can see the difference between the Latina there and Donna, if any? Sure! > Also, Armando, I have a lot of space available on the server provided by my new ISP, so I'd love to display whatever picture you have of Donald's pal Mac. In your references, is Mac only available in Black & White or do they have a colorized version of him? My only reference is a b/w reproduction of a "Mickey Mouse Weekly" page, from Alberto's book. I'll send it to you tonight, together with the other scans. Ciao, Armando From Joakim.Gunnarsson at egmont.se Mon Oct 14 12:50:11 2002 From: Joakim.Gunnarsson at egmont.se (Joakim.Gunnarsson@egmont.se) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:50:11 +0200 Subject: question re Bill Grandey and Kathy Morby Message-ID: <91E2BD72AB8BD3119FFB00508B55F07EFA3F7F@mmahmjd1-xch01.hmj.egmont.com> > Nils Lid Hjort wrote: >I see that G&M have been selling, and are still very actively selling, lots >and lots of Barks material, via the electronic auction house eBay. What username do they have on eBay? /Joakim. From cbriva at tin.it Mon Oct 14 14:37:11 2002 From: cbriva at tin.it (Cristina) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:37:11 +0100 Subject: Donna & Mac References: <20021014051106.18893.qmail@email.com> Message-ID: <001901c2737e$6c725160$66aed33e@default> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shad Z." > > > > But other parts of the huge Disney corporation > disagree. See this pin that went on sale in > Disneyland in the spring of 2002. Whoever OKed it > apparently does feel that Donna Duck and Daisy Duck > are the same person/duck: > > Many people still refer to Donna as "previous name of Daisy Duck": as you can see, even here http://www.hummelgiftshop.com/products_detail.asp?Page=4&ItemID=45&ProdPage= 1 and http://www.teemings.com/shorts/disney/years/1937/1937.html#14 the character's listed as "Daisy Duck in Don Donald". As far as I know, that's a general misunderstanding due to Donna's look. In her early movies, Daisy franly looks a lot like Donna, even if their costumes are different. Comparing this picture http://iquebec.ifrance.com/minny/disney-gifs-daisy11.gif to the pic of Donna, you can't deny they look like each other. Beside, even in the "Mickey's Christmas Carol" movies, Daisy resembles her spanish counterpoint. I don't know if they were originally planned to be different characters from the very beginning, or if it has been a late choice. Eventually, both Daisy and Donald changed their look in the years: if you take the Donald of "Don Donald" you'll see he's slightly different from a more recent Donald as, for example, this one http://www.grandmaspantry.com/images/donald.gif . Daisy has developed a slightly larger beak than Donna (and Daisy's own earlier appearances), less almond shaped eyes, and curlier feathers on her headback. Yet, she STILL looks like Donna to a distract eye. This would be another reason to think she and Donna are relatives. Just think to Huey, Dewey and Louie: they're identical twins whom only difference is clothes colors. Same for April, May and June. Even Donald and Della are somehow similar to each other, despite they don't seem to be full-identical twins (see Della's blonder hair, and smaller eyes). Scrooge and his sisters are not identical, yet they share the basical facial features. And, Scrooge's two uncles LOOK a lot like his father as well. If Daisy and Donna would be relatives, this would easily explain the many similarities between the two of them. From John.Crocker at dvn.com Mon Oct 14 16:10:22 2002 From: John.Crocker at dvn.com (Crocker, John) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:10:22 -0500 Subject: Donna & Mac Message-ID: <7D88084A06D88F4892077282237F82E1138009@okw2ex02.corp.dvn.com> > But other parts of the huge Disney corporation > disagree. See this pin that went on sale in > Disneyland in the spring of 2002. Whoever OKed it > apparently does feel that Donna Duck and Daisy Duck > are the same person/duck: > http://www.pinpics.com/cgi-bin/pin.cgi?pin=9078 This is best explained by the sense that Disney (in films atleast) likes to think of their main characters as not only individuals whose lives can be told in stories, but that these characters are also actors/actresses themselves. Thus, in Don Donald, Daisy performed the role of Donna. For instance, in Mickey's Christmas Carol, new characters are not being introduced into the Disney world, but already existing well-known characters are acting out Dickens' characters. Having only a small amount of Disney comics experience, it is my intuition to say that this is a distinct difference between Disney TV and films versus Disney comics (in which comics, for the most part, focus on telling stories about the lives of the characters instead of giving the characters different roles to perform). -John Crocker. From cbriva at tin.it Mon Oct 14 19:02:32 2002 From: cbriva at tin.it (Cristina) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 18:02:32 +0100 Subject: Donna & Mac References: <7D88084A06D88F4892077282237F82E1138009@okw2ex02.corp.dvn.com> Message-ID: <001901c273a3$7deddfc0$66aed33e@default> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Crocker, John" > > > This is best explained by the sense that Disney (in films atleast) likes to think of their main characters as not only individuals whose lives can be told in stories, but that these characters are also actors/actresses themselves. > Thus, in Don Donald, Daisy performed the role of Donna. > I hadn't thought about it, but it seems possible. This would mean Daisy IS a different character from Donna but, in the meantime, used that name before her first true appearance as "Daisy" with Donald. It makes sense. From xephyr at cwnet.com Mon Oct 14 18:50:17 2002 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (xephyr@cwnet.com) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:50:17 -0400 Subject: Donna & Mac Message-ID: <293580-2200210114165017880@M2W084.mail2web.com> Martin Olsen said: > I can confirm that the Mexican lady duck appearing in the Donald Duck > dailies in August 1951 was indeed named Donna. We never get to > know har last name - even her mailbox has only "Se?orita Donna". > The continuity ran for two weeks, from August 7 to August 18, 1951. > In the last strip Donald is introduced by Donna to her fianc?, Manuel > Gonzales! Heh!!! Unless I totally misunderstood that last comment...That's GREAT! Does Mr. Gonzales then actually appear in thecomic strip? If so, is he a "duckbill" also? :-) That's a great fact and would explain why Donald moved on from Donna to Daisy since he no longer had any prospects of a future with Donna. Furthermore, if we speculate that Donna is INDEED Daisy's sister, AND the mother of April, May and June... it wouldn't be that much further of a stretch to say the Mr. Gonzales is their FATHER.... It would also tell us that the Triplet girls are NOT surnamed "Duck" (even though they are still from the "Duck" lineage). I guess these are things Mr. Guilles Maurice would surely want to note. LOL! Thanks, Rich xephyr at cwnet.com Wow... how many answers can come from one name??? LOL! -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From xephyr at cwnet.com Mon Oct 14 20:17:24 2002 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (xephyr@cwnet.com) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:17:24 -0400 Subject: Donna & Mac Message-ID: <244640-2200210114181724715@M2W085.mail2web.com> John Crocker said: > For instance, in Mickey's Christmas Carol, new characters are > not being introduced into the Disney world, but already existing > well-known characters are acting out Dickens' characters. Yes, this is an angle Disney does take and would indeed explain the Daisy/Donna dilemma, as is the simpler explanation Disney uses that Donna is Daisy's former name. Still, as far as comics go, it would appear, based on commentary by those who have access to those early comic strips, that Donna & Daisy are distinctly seperate characters (at least in comics) for the basis of the DCML. Thus, it could be said that, in the films, Daisy & Donna are the same person, but in comics they are not. As for such vehicles as "Mickey's Christmas Carol" (Dec. 16, 1983) I love how they managed to sneak some comics-ONLY characters in, such as a cameo of Grandma Duck at the Barn Dance, though she did make a brief "speaking role" in the TV version of "This is your Life, Donald Duck" (Mar. 11, 1960). I'm not sure who voiced her, but it sounded like June Foray. And speaking of April, May & June (which I did in my last posting), they have made their cameo appearance in Disney's "House of Mouse" episode "Ladies Night" (Feb. 23. 2002) where they replaced houseband regulars Huey, Dewey and Louie as an "All-girl" band. Minnie actually introduces them as "Daisy's neices: April, May & June." Minnie's own neice, Melody has made a few probable appearances, though she has yet to called "Melody" or even "Minnie's neice" such as "Mickey's Christmas Carol" where she played the role of Bob Crachtet's daughter and as an orphan girl in the "Mickey's MouseWorks" cartoon "Around the World in 80 Days" (June 5, 1999). And Gladstone Gander made his debut in the DuckTales episode, "Sweet Duck of Youth" (Oct. 21, 1987) and had a leading role in "Dime Enough for Luck" (Dec. 4, 1987). Others, like Magica de Spell, Glittering Goldie, the Phantom Blot and Chief O'Hara have also made the leap from comics to film. Thanks, Rich Bellacera xephyr at cwnet.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From tjohnson at surfnetusa.com Mon Oct 14 23:17:04 2002 From: tjohnson at surfnetusa.com (Thomas Johnson) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:17:04 -0700 Subject: File-Sharing of Scanned Stories Message-ID: <002201c273c7$0edee510$bd7de8d0@NEWCOMPUTER> From arcade at kvinesdal.com Tue Oct 15 12:22:06 2002 From: arcade at kvinesdal.com (Rune Kristian Viken) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:22:06 +0200 Subject: File-Sharing of Scanned Stories In-Reply-To: <002201c273c7$0edee510$bd7de8d0@NEWCOMPUTER> References: <002201c273c7$0edee510$bd7de8d0@NEWCOMPUTER> Message-ID: <200210151222.06598.arcade@kvinesdal.com> M?ndag 14. oktober 2002 23:17 skreiv Thomas Johnson: > Is there a place on the internet where Disney Comics fans can > network with each other by email? I'm sure you could put all your comics up on freenet / gnutella / kazaa / direct connect / whatever is the most popular filesharing-network at the moment. Maybe you would find someone else that was interested. Maybe not. > I brought this issue up once before, and a polite reply was posted > bringing up the copyright issue, period-end-of-discussion. I know > there are copyright issues, but heck. The Disney Company has locked > up the old comics and isn't letting anybody reprint them. These > classic stories are works of art that are being lost. New > generations of kids are missing out on something special. There is many points of view, and many discussions when it comes to copyright. Unfortunately the lawmakers seem to think that 70+ years is a 'fair' time for copyrights. Now, with the Sony Bonno act or whatever that idiotic thing in the US is named, things have gotten even worse. Books / comics / movies made in the 1930's are _still_ covered by copyrights. Even though most, if not all, of the actors/creators of these nice pieces of art has passed away. Of course an artist should be rewarded for what he makes. But copyrights which last longer than 20-40 years are just ludicrous. In my eyes, at least. > Am I the only person out here who is interested in this? I'm sure there are others that are interested. I'm also quite sure that most of them will be very quiet about it on this list. -- Rune Kristian Viken From marmelmm at drexel.edu Tue Oct 15 12:31:54 2002 From: marmelmm at drexel.edu (M. Mitchell Marmel) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 06:31:54 -0400 Subject: $crooge makes it into Forbes... In-Reply-To: <000701c26754$d4374160$d88a45c8@e5v7p5> References: <000701c26754$d4374160$d88a45c8@e5v7p5> Message-ID: http://www.forbes.com/2002/09/13/400fictional_print.html -MMM- From martin_olsen at post.tele.dk Tue Oct 15 17:22:11 2002 From: martin_olsen at post.tele.dk (Martin Olsen) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:22:11 +0200 Subject: Manuel Gonzales appearing in Taliaferro strip References: <200210151002.g9FA20327645@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <000d01c2745e$a29f6c60$bd16f33e@120010035609> A reply to Rich who wrote: > Martin Olsen said: > > I can confirm that the Mexican lady duck appearing in the Donald Duck > > dailies in August 1951 was indeed named Donna. We never get to > > know har last name - even her mailbox has only "Se?orita Donna". > > The continuity ran for two weeks, from August 7 to August 18, 1951. > > In the last strip Donald is introduced by Donna to her fianc?, Manuel > > Gonzales! > > Heh!!! Unless I totally misunderstood that last comment...That's GREAT! > Does Mr. Gonzales then actually appear in thecomic strip? If so, is he a > "duckbill" also? :-) > Mr. Gonzales does indeed appear in the second panel of the strip. He is not a "duckbill". He is in fact an almost-human-faced character ("dagface" shape, but no black nose) with five(!) fingers on each hand. I wouldn't be the least surprised if this is actually a caricature of the real Manuel Gonzales. Martin. From alipio at ufpel.tche.br Tue Oct 15 17:57:55 2002 From: alipio at ufpel.tche.br (Alipio d'Oliveira Coelho) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:57:55 -0300 Subject: Donna & Daisy Message-ID: <3DAC3B03.B2A30491@ufpel.tche.br> In The Encyclopedia of Walt Disney's Animated Characters (John Grant), on page 80 is a chapter about Daisy Duck that said: "Her first role was as the rollicking Mexican Donna Duck in Don Donald (1937): hotblooded, mercurial and passionate, she is capable of switching from warm tenderness to destructive wrath in less time than it takes to fracture a lover's heart. She has, of course, a mantilla and comb in place of the later customary bow, and she speaks with the inimitable voice of Clarence Nash. " So, is she Daisy Duck? And her last name is Duck?? From acsive at mail.mira.dk Tue Oct 15 21:20:49 2002 From: acsive at mail.mira.dk (Anders Christian Sivebaek) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 21:20:49 +0200 Subject: #1100 Message-ID: <200210151855.g9FItZ8B094275@mail.mira.dk> Thomas Johnson > >From one Disney comics fan to all you others...a question... > Is there a place on the internet where Disney Comics fans can network = > with each other by email? =20 I don't think so - On the other hand there might be places where you can download comics online. I could think of a few - and I would just advice you to search for them on google or the like. As could anyone from the company in question do - but we seldomly hear from them, copyrightwise. > With all this file-sharing going on over the internet (mp3 files, etc.) = > why don't fans of Disney comics get together and share scanned stories = > with each other? It could be done person-to-person by email, or the = > scanned files could be shared on a site such as Kazaa.com.=20 Believe me, Kazaa would maybe not be a good idea, but I don't know. Kazaa is maybe a bit more easy for "them" to spot than just usual uploading on a page. - But it might go on, without my knowing. > I brought this issue up once before, and a polite reply was posted = > bringing up the copyright issue, period-end-of-discussion. Well, is it the end of the question. What you suggest is some email-thing - I would sugest uploading to a page that one would only tell a certain group of persons about, perhaps with a password or so. (That's easier than with email, which requires some more online-being, depending what connection you have - AFAIK) This would make this "for private use" and there's nothing illegal in that AFAIK. Actually, in the danish weekly the text about copyright says that it's forbidden to use the content in commercial connections - meaning you're not allowed to get any money out of copying or scanning - well, noone would do that in the groups where I am - Lets say we have had a story online, which will now be taken down. Not at one point have we gotten any money from it. We've just been trying to serve fans in eg. the United States that have sadly have no access to Duck comics since 1998. > I know there are copyright issues, but heck. The Disney Company has locked up the = > old comics and isn't letting anybody reprint them. That wouldn't be a reason for them. > These classic = > stories are works of art that are being lost. New generations of kids = > are missing out on something special. Neither that - Nor do I suffer from the believe that Disney would listen if we say we have earned nothing on having one or two comics online untill publication in our area - So what can we say? It might very well be illegal - but some kind of moral told us to do it - that would be the same with this case, to let the kids read them too - (But how many eg. american kids would be interested?) > And with all due respect, if a person emails someone a scanned Disney = > comic story, who would know? There are ways - but in that case it would be personal use - sending a file to a friend is not illegal. > Am I the only person out here who is interested in this? No. But I'd like to hear others issues about this. From shadz at email.com Wed Oct 16 04:50:27 2002 From: shadz at email.com (Shad Z.) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:50:27 -0700 Subject: Disney Adventures vol 12, no 9 (November 2002) Message-ID: <20021016025027.30893.qmail@email.com> Continuing my listing of what's in this month's issue of the only source for Disney comics in America... Matt Feazel's content page doodles are not given a story code this month. 1) Disney's Tall Tales, JZ689, 1 page. Writing and art by Glenn McCoy. Characters include Mickey Mouse and Goofy. 2) Monsters, Inc.: "Occupational Hazard!", JZ667, 4 pages. Story by Frank Strom. Pencils by Al Bigley. Inks by Matt Maley. Characters include James "Sulley" Sullivan, Mike Wazowski, Celia Mae and George Sanderson (who is miscolored blue). 3) Jet Pack Pets: "The Bride of Jack Flash!", JZ688, 4 pages. Story by Michael Stewart. Art by Scott Koblish. Jet Pack Pets is not a Disney property, it is copyright Michael Stewart & Garry Black. 4) The Last Laugh: "Signs That Your Teacher Is Really a Monster!", JZ687, 1 page. Written by John Green. Art by Jim Paillot. Shad Z. ^Q^ (ShadZ at rocketmail.com,ShadZ at email.com,Jackalope7 at go.com) http://shadz.homestead.com/files/ HONK TO SEE PUPPIES Sign along US 287, Loveland CO -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From gsy at megatel.de Wed Oct 16 09:34:28 2002 From: gsy at megatel.de (Gerd Syllwasschy) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:34:28 +0200 Subject: Donna & Daisy Message-ID: <3DAD1684.DCA4CDB9@megatel.de> Alipio: > So, is she Daisy Duck? And her last name is Duck?? I won't state that Donna is Daisy, but in the animated cartoon "Don Donald" her name is clearly spelled out as "DONNA DUCK". (On her letterbox, I think. Or maybe it was some sign at her house.) Gerd From sigvald at duckburg.dk Wed Oct 16 13:40:31 2002 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (sigvald@duckburg.dk) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:40:31 +0200 (CEST) Subject: About Donna Duck Message-ID: <200210161140.g9GBeVu84491@backup.dht.dk> Hi all! Very recently DCML has witnessed a discussion about whether Daisy Duck and Donna Duck (a character which appeared around 1937) are the same character. I guess that Daisy was developed from Donna, but I still like to see them as two different characters. A possible explanation (which Don Rosa once said “…sounds fine”) is that Donna Duck actually is the sister of Daisy and the mother of April, May and June. In Don Rosa’s view Daisy and her sister also have a brother who is Della Duck’s husband and the father of HD&L. Personally I also find it plausible that General Stonewall Duck who according to Barks “saved Duckburg” in 1860 is the great grandfather of Daisy and her siblings (I suppose he would have been placed on “Don Rosa’s Duck Family Tree” if he had been the father of Grandma Duck’s husband Humperdink Duck). Best regards from Sigvald :-) From sigvald at duckburg.dk Wed Oct 16 14:32:18 2002 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (sigvald@duckburg.dk) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:32:18 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Morbid & Gready Message-ID: <200210161232.g9GCWIo97334@backup.dht.dk> Hi, all! I can see that Barks' ex-managers Bill Grandey and Kathy Morby are currently discussed in this forum. They might had a wish to be helpful to old Barks, but the results of their influence indeed had the contrary effect. From what I have heard from well-informed sources “Morbid & Gready”, as they are called by many Donaldists, were the ones who tried to create bad feelings between Carl Barks and Don Rosa. They also made Barks come up with some crap about Donald’s origin, etc. when interviewed - most probably to harm Don Rosa’s work. Luckily Morbid & Gready was fired so that Barks and Rosa could eventually meet. That historic meeting took place in Barks’ home in Oregon during the summer of 1998. Sigvald :-) From sgarcia at uf-isf.es Wed Oct 16 16:53:24 2002 From: sgarcia at uf-isf.es (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Santiago_Garc=EDa_Banhos?=) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:53:24 +0200 Subject: File-Sharing of Scanned Stories In-Reply-To: <200210161002.g9GA2c330551@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <000b01c27523$c6e3d3c0$bb476f0a@sfpc1217.ral.uef.es> > > With all this file-sharing going on over the internet (mp3 files, > etc.) = > > why don't fans of Disney comics get together and share scanned > stories = > > with each other? It could be done person-to-person by email, or the > = > > scanned files could be shared on a site such as Kazaa.com.=20 A technical note: I think that would be the kind of thing more suitable for a webpage, rather than emails exchanging: it's not recomended to transfer big amounts of data on emails, because the receiver usually downloads it all automatically without even confirming it (one could get his/her email account blocked due to a big amount of hughe messages enqueued). So, it's better to upload it all on a webpage, so anyone can download every single file "on demand". By the other side, if many contributors join the project, the host server will soon run out of webspace. So I think the best solution is a WEBRING: one website indexing the contributions on external servers, and every contributor mantaining scanned stories on his webpages (I think many people in this list already mantains webrings). That's, of corse, IMHO ;-) Santiago. From UNDBKB at aol.com Wed Oct 16 22:08:22 2002 From: UNDBKB at aol.com (UNDBKB@aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:08:22 EDT Subject: Scrooge story? Message-ID: <4e.1300d97e.2adf2136@aol.com> Trying to find out what issue of Scrooge featured a contest between Scrooge and the "Maharaja of Howdoyoudostan" to see who was the richest. I think it was in the early 50's, you have any idea ? Thanks. Please reply to: pksl61 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20021016/a17d28fc/attachment.html From thomas at duckburg.dk Thu Oct 17 00:30:10 2002 From: thomas at duckburg.dk (Thomas Pryds Lauritsen) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 00:30:10 +0200 Subject: Scrooge story? References: <4e.1300d97e.2adf2136@aol.com> Message-ID: <3DADE872.9090604@duckburg.dk> UNDBKB at aol.com wrote: > Trying to find out what issue of Scrooge featured a contest between > Scrooge and the "Maharaja of Howdoyoudostan" to see who was the richest. > I think it was in the early 50's, you have any idea ? Thanks. > Please reply to: > pksl61 at aol.com Sure, it's Statuesque Spendthrifts by Carl Barks. You can see in which issues it has been featured here: http://coa.duckburg.dk/coa/c1/story.php/0/W+WDC+138-02 Thomas -- Thomas Pryds Lauritsen "There is the theory of the Moebius. A twist in the fabric of space where time becomes a loop." From bi442 at lafn.org Thu Oct 17 04:31:09 2002 From: bi442 at lafn.org (Rob Klein) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 02:31:09 GMT Subject: DCML Messages in attachments Message-ID: <200210170231.g9H2V9N1008783@zoon.lafn.org> Greetings fellow members. I am now back home, after working several months in Germany. During my time there, I noticed that the form of my receiving DCML digested messages changed to an envelope note with no message, which contained the messages in the form of attachments. I was not able to open those attachments while away from my own desktop computer (I have no notebook computer). I was not sure whether or not this same state of affairs would exist when on my home computer. To my dismay, it does. I speculate that my built in security system is preventing their opening. But, I am not sure of that. I am very shaky, when it comes to computer and internet-related topics and knowledge. I wrote a note to Per to find out what computer downloading tools or configurations are needed to open the attachments. He has not yet answered me. I have observed that many of you are very knowledgeable about computers and the internet. I can tell you that I have "Acrobat Reader", in addition to the "normal" screening, reading and downloading tools built in to any desktop computer from the "major" PC makers (in 1997 - when mine was built). Currently, I must go to the DCML Archives to read new messages. This is inconvenient,-compared to having the messages sitting right there in my e- mail every morning. Is there anyone who can tell me the secret to opening the attachments? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Rob Klein --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ From ksaarto at mbnet.fi Thu Oct 17 05:46:24 2002 From: ksaarto at mbnet.fi (Kai Saarto) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 06:46:24 +0300 Subject: DCML Messages in attachments References: <200210170231.g9H2V9N1008783@zoon.lafn.org> Message-ID: <3DAE3290.80505@mbnet.fi> Strange problem. Usually attachments can be opened by clicking the envelope-icon in the upper right corner of the message - or there is a link in the end of the message (depends on the software you're using). You are not required the get any new software to open them. However, I suggest you try unsubscribing and then subscribing right back to the list. This might fix the problem by itself. Problem might have something to do with the digest-format. Rob Klein wrote: > Greetings fellow members. I am now back home, after working several months in > Germany. During my time there, I noticed that the form of my receiving DCML > digested messages changed to an envelope note with no message, which contained > the messages in the form of attachments. I was not able to open those > attachments while away from my own desktop computer (I have no notebook > computer). I was not sure whether or not this same state of affairs would > exist when on my home computer. To my dismay, it does. I speculate that my > built in security system is preventing their opening. But, I am not sure of > that. I am very shaky, when it comes to computer and internet-related topics > and knowledge. I wrote a note to Per to find out what computer downloading > tools or configurations are needed to open the attachments. He has not yet > answered me. I have observed that many of you are very knowledgeable about > computers and the internet. I can tell you that I have "Acrobat Reader", in > addition to the "normal" screening, reading and downloading tools built in to > any desktop computer from the "major" PC makers (in 1997 - when mine was > built). Currently, I must go to the DCML Archives to read new messages. This > is inconvenient,-compared to having the messages sitting right there in my e- > mail every morning. Is there anyone who can tell me the secret to opening the > attachments? Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks, Rob Klein From timoro at hotmail.com Thu Oct 17 11:24:01 2002 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:24:01 +0300 Subject: Finnish Aku Ankka highly esteemed brand Message-ID: Finnish marketing and advertising magazine M&M Markkinointi & Mainonta listed most esteemed top 100 brands. Finnish Aku Ankka comic book is on 19th place. Nokia is 7th. Disney 33. Most appreciated and esteemed, highest rated brand in Finland is Fazerin Sininen chocolate. Aku Ankka was only magazine of any kind on this top 100 brand listing. Research was made by M&M magazine and Taloustutkimus, Finnish Gallup. Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kylä 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ¨¨ Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ¨¨ Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ................................. "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ Get faster connections -- switch to MSN Internet Access! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp From irenep at bos.nl Wed Oct 16 18:39:28 2002 From: irenep at bos.nl (Irene Postma) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:39:28 +0200 Subject: Question Message-ID: <20021016162917.5ECCFE8065@smtp.bos.nl> Right now I'm in discussion with someone and I don't want to tell nonsense. There is a Dutch book written by Jaap van Ginneken about cartoon characters (Asterix, Rintintin and Donald Duck were mentioned in a TV-interview this morning). He was comparing the nature and problems of these characters to the psychological problems hidden in the lives of their creators. Would he have to look at Walt Disney for Donald Duck, as he claims? Wouldn't Carl Barks be much more logical? Sorry to appear on your interesting list, but I really want to know. Irene P. Publisher/Editor Speedskating World o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o o.o.o.o.o.o.o.MAY.GOD.BLESS.YOU.o.o.o.o.o.o.o o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o From xephyr at cwnet.com Thu Oct 17 17:40:57 2002 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (xephyr@cwnet.com) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:40:57 -0400 Subject: Follow-up: Donna & Mac Message-ID: <410-2200210417154057433@M2W055.mail2web.com> Since discussion about Donna & Mac has settled some, and Armando Botto was so kind as to send me some scans of these characters, I've made them available for all to see. Armando, I made them a tad smaller in filesize to save some server space, but otherwise they are in tact. First, there's Mac: http://users.cwnet.com/xephyr/ART/donald and mac.jpg As was said, he's a dognose character, apparently somewhat of a "sea dog" as it were. LOL! I'd love to see these comics reprinted! Don't confuse Mac with the "other" Sea captain (with the peg-leg) in the strip. Now for one of the "lost loves" of Donald's life: Donna Duck! Yep, at least in some places her surname was clearly designated as "Duck." http://users.cwnet.com/xephyr/ART/gh 1937-01 don donald.jpg Then, there's the infamous meeting of Daisy & Donna, which lends credit to the understanding that, at least in the comics, they are NOT the same person. http://users.cwnet.com/xephyr/ART/daisy_donna.jpg And finally, Donna's fiance', Manuel Gonzales: http://users.cwnet.com/xephyr/ART/donna_manuel.jpg I, too, suspect it was Mr. Taliaferro's "inside" joke making a caricature of the creator Manuel Gonzales. I wonder if Mr. Gonzales is the "creator" of Donna Duck or if his real-life wife was named Donna... that would be funny. ;-) Still, "If" Donna "is" Daisy's sister, and "if" Donna and Manuel married, does that suppose that Manuel is April, May & June's father???? LOL! Enjoy. Rich Bellacera xephyr at cwnet.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From xephyr at cwnet.com Thu Oct 17 17:51:20 2002 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (xephyr@cwnet.com) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:51:20 -0400 Subject: Follow-Up: Donna & Mac Message-ID: <184670-2200210417155120655@M2W064.mail2web.com> I noticed the links for two of the images don't work unless you copy&paste the entire line in your browser's address field, but this might work better for you: Donald & Mac http://users.cwnet.com/xephyr/ART/donald%20and%20mac.jpg DON DONALD featuring Donna & Donald http://users.cwnet.com/xephyr/ART/gh%201937-01%20don%20donald.jpg Sorry 'bout that, Rich xephyr at cwnet.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From H.W.Fluks at kpn.com Thu Oct 17 18:19:19 2002 From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com (H.W.Fluks@kpn.com) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 18:19:19 +0200 Subject: DCML Messages in attachments Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452207AD18D9@l04.research.kpn.com> Rob: welcome "back"! 8-) > I was not able to open those > attachments while away from my own desktop computer When you visit the DCML mailing list webpage (http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml), and use your password (the one that is sent to you monthly), you can switch your DCML digests to "plain text". In this mode, the digests should always be readable by any mail program. --Harry. From bi442 at lafn.org Fri Oct 18 16:20:39 2002 From: bi442 at lafn.org (Rob Klein) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 14:20:39 GMT Subject: Attachments Message-ID: <200210181420.g9IEKdN1062127@zoon.lafn.org> Thanks to Harry F., Rune Viken and Kai Saarto for their advice over my problems reading the dcml message attachments. Harry was right. I changed from MIME to Plain Text for my digests, and now they appear connected to the original DCML message. It is, indeed, good to be back (8-). Rob Klein --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ From sigvald at duckburg.dk Fri Oct 18 20:59:07 2002 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (sigvald@duckburg.dk) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 20:59:07 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Please stop sending those viruses!!! Message-ID: <200210181859.g9IIx7Z65737@backup.dht.dk> Hi all! The last 24 hours I have got at least 3 viruses in my mail-box. Since I trust everyone in my adressbok, I am pretty sure that those viruses comes from someone in DCML. May I suggest that you check your computers for viruses to eliminate the problem and thus prevent this wonderful group from being harmed an possibly destroyed by these destructive forces. Sigvald :-) From raptus at stofanet.dk Fri Oct 18 21:29:11 2002 From: raptus at stofanet.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Krarup_Olesen?=) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 21:29:11 +0200 Subject: Please stop sending those viruses!!! References: <200210181859.g9IIx7Z65737@backup.dht.dk> Message-ID: <3DB06107.1080000@stofanet.dk> SIGVALD: sigvald at duckburg.dk wrote: (you finally turned Dane, eh? ;-) > The last 24 hours I have got at least 3 viruses in my mail-box. It would be much easier to detect who the poor soul is, if you could just provide us with the original IP. It shows clearly in the extended header, and you don't have to "open" anything to see it. S?ren - running Linux (i.e. hardly infected) From Goofy313g at aol.com Sat Oct 19 16:10:07 2002 From: Goofy313g at aol.com (Goofy313g@aol.com) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 10:10:07 -0400 Subject: From Duckburg to Lillehammer (to Don Rosa's and his fans) Message-ID: <0CC71497.17B54B6C.024C1E6E@aol.com> Hi! In "From Duckburg to Lillehammer", Don Rosa shows us that Donald had played a part in the Olympic Games in Lillehammer. This story is from 1994, when there were the olympic games in Lillehammer. But Don's Duck stories are said to happen in the 1950's (from 1947 to 1960, exactly. Has there been other Olympic games in Lillehammer in the 1950's??? Gilles From Goofy313g at aol.com Sat Oct 19 16:24:39 2002 From: Goofy313g at aol.com (Goofy313g@aol.com) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 10:24:39 -0400 Subject: Daisy/Donna?! Message-ID: <383F863B.4B470640.024C1E6E@aol.com> In the story I2071, "The secret of the 313", published in Mickey parade 196, Daisy is shown to be Donna. There is a flashback when it is asked to Donnald when he had got his car, and he talks about the film "Don Donald "(Daisy and me shot a film years ago....) He tells that, as daisy didn't want to see this stupid donkey anymore, he bought a car... So Donna is a part Daisy would play as an actress... Then, I've already seen Daisy dressed as Donna on a coloring book for children, in america, and even on a sticker. I even remember about a story by Barks himself with Daisy dressed as Donna, probably disguised. I 'm sorry, i'm not at home so I only carried with me the comics i'm working on, and I don't have the stories i talked about, so i cannot make scans, but if needed, i will. About Manuel Gonzales being April, May and June's Father, that'd be a great idea, but only if he were their *Illegitimate* father, because i think they carry the name Duck in several stories and drawings... But in the story Rich showed us with the meeting of the two girls, I don't know a word of Italian, but it seems, as Italian is close to French, that they didn't meet or even know eachother before the story happens, so they cannot be sisters... Thanks to Rick for all the scans he showed us Gilles From cbriva at tin.it Sat Oct 19 18:22:31 2002 From: cbriva at tin.it (Cristina) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 17:22:31 +0100 Subject: Daisy/Donna?! References: <383F863B.4B470640.024C1E6E@aol.com> Message-ID: <002d01c2778b$bd1ab9c0$3d1dd33e@default> ----- Original Message ----- From: > There is a flashback when it is asked to Donnald when he had got his car, and > he talks about the film "Don Donald "(Daisy and me shot a film years ago....) > He tells that, as daisy didn't want to see this stupid donkey anymore, he > bought a car... So Donna is a part Daisy would play as an actress... I remember that story as well. I don't have it now, but if I remember right, the italian version said Daisy and Donald had been called as main actors, while they were meant to be sidekicks, because the true actors were sick. Could this mean Donna was supposed to play herself in the movie, and after her illness the role went to Daisy? This would explain why the two of them are meant to be two different girls even if they play the same role. > But in the story Rich showed us with the meeting of the two girls, I don't know a word of Italian, but it seems, as Italian is close to French, that they didn't meet or even know eachother before the story happens, so they cannot be sisters... > You're right, they don't seem knowing each other a lot. Daisy's looking for Donald, and Donna knows her just because she heard Donald speaking 'bout her ("Good heavens! I'd have never recognised you, according to Donald's description!") About April, May and June, if their last name is "Duck", and Daisy is not Donna's sister as it appears in the comic... there was a short movie, whom title I don't recall right now, with Donald dreaming to marry Daisy. In the dream, he knew her family, and her three brothers, looking much like Huey, Dewey and Louie. Nobody spoke of a sister. One of those brothers is supposed to be Della Duck's husband: this way, Huey, Dewey and Louie's last name is "Duck" from both parents. Also, one of the two remaining brothers may have married Donna - years later Donald's introduction to Mr.Gonzales - and could be the father of April, May and June. This would explain why the twins are neices of Daisy and daughters of Donna even if the two girls didn't know each other at the time of "Don Donald" and the comics. From astrup_jensen at hotmail.com Sun Oct 20 00:25:41 2002 From: astrup_jensen at hotmail.com (Mads Jensen) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 00:25:41 +0200 Subject: Barks character on US 300? Message-ID: Hi On the illustration/cover that Don Rosa did for the cover US 300, the original with all the characters are in the magazine. And here: http://coa.duckburg.dk/coa/c1/story.php/2/ARC+US++300A Does anyone in here know the first appeareance of the character, in the right corner under the Beagle Boy 176 with a peak and a pair of glasses, above the guy withg the red/orange hair. Thanks in advance! regards, Mads Jensen From dimadick at hotmail.com Sun Oct 20 08:38:12 2002 From: dimadick at hotmail.com (Dim I Nticoudis) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 09:38:12 +0300 Subject: Daisy's Brothers and Gilles Maurice Message-ID: You don't have to remind Gilles about Daisy's Brothers.As you can see from an older message he even asssigned names to them.Decoy, Demerara and Dandelion Duck respectively.Using some speculative logic he managed to fill in the blanks between the main Ducks.Take a look.: http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2001-February/014561.html The reference to "Daisy's sister" comes from Carl Barks' "Flip Decision"-1953 where Daisy Duck picks her nieces April, May and June from her sister's house.It is assumed that her sister is their mother. _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp From frankbubacz at hotmail.com Sun Oct 20 16:32:19 2002 From: frankbubacz at hotmail.com (Frank Bubacz) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 16:32:19 +0200 Subject: Barks character on US 300? Message-ID: Hi Mads, I guess he's one of the five notaries in the US 10 'filler' story "Heirloom Watch". Frank _________________________________________________________________ MSN - More useful every day http://www.msn.de From bi442 at lafn.org Sun Oct 20 18:09:28 2002 From: bi442 at lafn.org (Rob Klein) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 16:09:28 GMT Subject: Journal de Mickey, SPG (French back issues) Message-ID: <200210201609.g9KG9SN1054165@zoon.lafn.org> Greetings DCMLers; especially our French members. I am Rob Klein, former storywriter and storyboard artist for Danish and Dutch Disney comics. (I still submit a story to Dutch Disney every once in a while). For years, I have been trying to obtain copies of French comic book back issues containing my stories and covers. So far, I have been unsuccessful. I cannot come to France for a long enough period to find them. Although I visit Brussel almost every year, I've never found more then a few Super Mickey Geant!- and NEVER one that I need. I've had a few DCML member friends looking for me, but they are very busy with many other things, and individual old issues are difficult to find. It would be better, if I have MANY MORE people looking for me. Now that I see we have many more French members than in the early years, I hope we now have some members that look regularly through many old comics in shops and fairs. Any of you who regularly look through old comics and could, over time, find me specific issues, could trade them to me for original drawings I would draw for you, AND/OR (1)US Gladstone comics (I have many duplicates-especially from 1st series); or for ALMOST ANY old or new (2)Dutch or (3)German comics (I work and spend time in all 3 of those countries). If you are interested, send a note to , and I will provide you with a list of what I want. They begin in 1990, and run almost up to present. Most of them were issued 1990-1998. Also, if any of you believe I can receive them directly from the publisher, please let me know whom I should contact; and, if possible, provide an e-mail or post contact there. Thank you, Rob Klein --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ From lpj at forfatter.dk Mon Oct 21 10:32:43 2002 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 10:32:43 +0200 Subject: Question Message-ID: <000701c278dc$6e8a70a0$9d469dd9@idb3156> Irene Postma wrote: > Right now I'm in discussion with someone and I don't want to tell nonsense. > There is a Dutch book written by Jaap van Ginneken about cartoon characters > (Asterix, Rintintin and Donald Duck were mentioned in a TV-interview this > morning). He was comparing the nature and problems of these characters to > the psychological problems hidden in the lives of their creators. > > Would he have to look at Walt Disney for Donald Duck, as he claims? Wouldn't > Carl Barks be much more logical? I would say it depends on which Donald we're talking about. Comparing Barks' Donald Duck to Barks himself seems only natural to me. You might also compare Taliaferro'and Karp's Donald to *their* lives, although that seems a little more dubious to me. And the Donald currently seen in (for instance) Danish produced comics, is only related to the lives of the writers in a very limited way. We're all working with the Barks version of Donald, and even those who are extrapolating from that source, are still extrapolating from somebody else's take on the character, rather than their own. The cartoon Donald was influenced by Walt, yes, but also by a truckload of storymen, directors and animators, all of whom brought something to the Duck. So there's not much correlation there between creator and character. It would be a better idea to compare Walt to Mickey Mouse. So to sum up: Comparing Barks' Donald to himself is fine. Comparing anybody else to Donald: Not much point. In my opinion, of course. > Sorry to appear on your interesting list, but I really want to know. No need to apologize. Being able to ask questions like this is one of the reasons for *being* on DCML (IMO). And besides, it was an interesting posting. Lars Jensen From kjell.crone at ifsworld.com Mon Oct 21 12:19:50 2002 From: kjell.crone at ifsworld.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Kjell_Cron=E9?=) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 12:19:50 +0200 Subject: From Duckburg to Lillehammer (to Don Rosa's and his fans) Message-ID: <2B364F8DBC0A2C45B195893CC09186CD01A7ACF2@gbgmail.europe.corpnet.ifsworld.com> > Gilles: > Has there been other Olympic games in Lillehammer in the 1950's??? Oslo had Winter Olympics in 1952. Kjell From astrup_jensen at hotmail.com Mon Oct 21 14:20:13 2002 From: astrup_jensen at hotmail.com (Mads Jensen) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 14:20:13 +0200 Subject: Barks character on US 300? References: Message-ID: Hi > I guess he's one of the five notaries in the US 10 'filler' story "Heirloom > Watch". Seems to make sense, since Rosa probably placed him there, since the story is used in LO$ Thanks :-) /Mads From per.martinson at home.se Mon Oct 21 16:56:18 2002 From: per.martinson at home.se (Per Martinson) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 16:56:18 +0200 Subject: Lost in the Andes Message-ID: <004d01c27912$030ab200$6700a8c0@pellespc> I just noticed today is the "birthday" of the great Barks-classic "Lost in the Andes". Maybe that's worth celebrating (I will probably read it). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20021021/0307594a/attachment.html From H.W.Fluks at kpn.com Mon Oct 21 18:09:23 2002 From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com (H.W.Fluks@kpn.com) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 18:09:23 +0200 Subject: Dutch Donald Duck weekly exists 50 years Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452207AD18E7@l04.research.kpn.com> This week, the Dutch "Donald Duck" weekly exists exactly 50 years. This is celebrated with a 50-page issue, with a nice "special" opening story (Geradts/Gulien). Also included is a "blunder booklet", where Thom Roep mentions some errors from the past 50 years. For instance about colouring mistakes, and the fourth nephew (famous on DCML; now officially called "Kwok" in Dutch). Some of the topics in this booklet were directly taken (with permission) from my website http://dd50.inducks.org (see http://inducks.org/dd50/xindexeng.html for English text). Related to this, I was interviewed last week by the "Nederlands Dagblad". This is a Christian daily. The result is a full-page article where I say various things about the moral and ethical values of the DD stories... Anyway (though some people doubt that it will happen): on our way to 100 years of Dutch DD! --Harry. From anders_sivebaek at nns.dk Mon Oct 21 20:14:41 2002 From: anders_sivebaek at nns.dk (Anders Christian=?ISO-8859-1?Q?_Siveb=BEk?=) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 20:14:41 +0200 Subject: #1106 In-Reply-To: <200210211001.g9LA1p323410@numerus.ling.uu.se> References: <200210211001.g9LA1p323410@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: Hi > FRANK: > >I guess he's one of the five notaries in the US 10 'filler' story >"Heirloom >Watch". Yeah! (I was behind mads' question - but as he had in the first place asked me for a list of all the charecters on the illustration i advised *him* to ask here - as his first mail to the list - welcome to, Mads, to the nicest mailinglist I know. So now all charetcers on that illustration are identified - Mads and Inducks can be happy :-) I guess you'll include it yourself, as i haven't got the list I send to you, Mads and Thomas (for Inducks) here. I'll write another mail as soon as i've found the book to write it about. Hilsen/Yours Anders Christian Siveb?k Donaldist From vidar-svendsen at c2i.net Mon Oct 21 20:39:23 2002 From: vidar-svendsen at c2i.net (Vidar Svendsen) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 20:39:23 +0200 Subject: Dutch Donald Duck weekly exists 50 years In-Reply-To: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452207AD18E7@l04.research.kpn. com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20021021203655.00a2dec0@popw.c2i.net> Harry wrote: >The result is a full-page article where I say various things about the moral >and ethical values of the DD stories... and what *did* you say? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Vidar Svendsen http://home.c2i.net/vidarland/ "Nothing travels faster than the speed of light with the possible exception of bad news, which obeys its own special laws." From anders_sivebaek at nns.dk Mon Oct 21 21:58:25 2002 From: anders_sivebaek at nns.dk (Anders Christian=?ISO-8859-1?Q?_Siveb=BEk?=) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 21:58:25 +0200 Subject: Second book Message-ID: Hi all When i got to my room on campus yesterday i had a nice surprise - my subscribers edition of the 2nd yearbook from 1955 was in the mail. It contains the second third of disney-magazines from 1955 - and moreover: My preface. I told about the first book in august when it came out, and I'm still very proud to have had the opportunity to write these. The 3rd one is finished too - will be in the 3rd book to be published in december AFAIK. Do let me underline, that i'm writing this mail fro info, not to make it sell more, as I have received a one-time payment. I'm much more happy about the publicity it brings to our danish donalsit society though :-) I remember when i turned in the prefaces for this book - My editor gave me blush in praising me - in danish he wrote ros, ros, ros (someone with a dictionary please translate that accurately) he thought this one better than the first, and I must agree on some points. Firstly there's a picture of me, with a text under it, a kind of cv. My very good Jakob Bomholt took the picture - but because of forgetfullness and then technical problems that wont say before book3. Jakob is getting the books anyway, be sure of that. Lets make it easy for me now: index for issue 1 is here: http://coa.duckburg.dk/coa/c1/issue.php/0/dk/DKA1955-1 no. 2 is here. http://coa.duckburg.dk/coa/c1/issue.php/0/dk/DKA1955-2 You can see what the prefaces in issue 1 is about - here are short summaries of issue 2's prefaces. (For you and Inducks) Laksen og lykkedyret: (salmon and mascot) About The salmon derby and cheltenham's choice. About Barks' ability to keep the Gladstone-stories interesting. I asume Barks or the family must have had pets or wanted to have, as Cheltenhams choice is about pets, and barks used personal experience. maybe cheltenham is a little regard to Jack Hannah. Cheltenham was printed as a textstory in a cereal-prduct in DK in the 60'es. Skolen og nattevagten (The school and the nightwatch) Here I'm wondering about the kids aversion about schools. They are JW's and maybe learning by doing instead (John Dewey). The nightwatch story was "censored" in it's first print - as they had to change winter to summer. I understand that, but compalin about the beak-shortening retouching Gutenberghus did in the end of the 60'es and early 70'es. They shortende the Rostrilongitude-quotient, a term n?known from Jon Gisles Donaldism-book. (if this text need shortening fdor Inducks - please tell) Murry og genbrug (Murry and reusing About the two different drawing styles that i see in Murry's stories. - Murry was for the moiuse what barks was for the duck. Murry redid many stories, to make them in shape for the new format and the new times. Gutenberghus had that done to stories by other writers too. eg. VP 5-01 by Phil De Lara which was redone in the 80'es for egmont by Branca - as D 3651 (That is says Murry and Vicar in the text in the book is fully my fault... knocking myself in the head - remember to do your research you goof!!!) Hilsen/Yours Anders Christian Siveb?k Donaldist From Goofy313g at aol.com Mon Oct 21 22:50:44 2002 From: Goofy313g at aol.com (Goofy313g@aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 16:50:44 EDT Subject: Donna Duck : the final words... :-) Message-ID: <106.1a2c3a68.2ae5c2a4@aol.com> HI! I made a page about Donna Duck for you DCMailers, with a summary of all the info that have been told about this character, extra infos, and new pictures of her... http://goofy313g.free.fr/calisota_online/donna/donna.html Gilles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20021021/398ec7b3/attachment.html From fernandopventura at uol.com.br Tue Oct 22 02:47:43 2002 From: fernandopventura at uol.com.br (Fernando Ventura) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 22:47:43 -0200 Subject: Brazilian birthday's! Message-ID: <000701c27964$b4bef860$18ca9ec8@usuario> This month the brazilian Disney comic book "Mickey" complete 50 years too! We don't know if we'll see something special, but who knows... This year is also the 60th birthday of Z? Carioca! Fernando! From dfeenstra at yahoo.com Tue Oct 22 13:23:31 2002 From: dfeenstra at yahoo.com (Duco Feenstra) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 04:23:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Subject: Second book In-Reply-To: <200210221002.g9MA24318258@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <20021022112331.76768.qmail@web13505.mail.yahoo.com> AC wrote: > It contains the second third of disney-magazines > from 1955 - and moreover: > My preface. Many congratulations, both to you and, even more, to the Danish readers of these books. I really wish we Dutch had someone with your knowledge of and love for the Ducks who could write similar prefaces to our Dutch books. The prefaces to our collected '53-weekly contained nothing interesting nor new. I hope that they'll ask a guy like Roy Kooijman, who has both the knowledge and love for the ducks to write these kind of prefaces. I for one would look forward to his prefaces anyway. Duco __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dfeenstra at yahoo.com Tue Oct 22 14:08:40 2002 From: dfeenstra at yahoo.com (Duco Feenstra) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 05:08:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: guest stars In-Reply-To: <200210221002.g9MA24318258@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <20021022120840.41081.qmail@web13506.mail.yahoo.com> A few days ago, I spoke with an indexer (who plans to visit me this weekend, btw). I mentioned a guest-appearance by Goofy in a dutch comic (we see him leaving a peep-show...(-: ) and this lead to a list of several other (disney AND non-disney) characters who appeared in other comics (like Mickey Mouse in a Franquin comic, Donald in a Tintin story, Lucky Luke in a story by Swolfs, etc...). My friend asked if somewhere on the internet (or anywhere else) these guest appearances were listed. To be honest: I don't have a clue, but........maybe one of the members of this list does??? Thanks, Duco __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From sigvald at duckburg.dk Tue Oct 22 14:33:41 2002 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (sigvald@duckburg.dk) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 14:33:41 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Viruses keep coming from Apostolis? Message-ID: <200210221233.g9MCXfD77147@backup.dht.dk> Hi all! The last few days I have daily recieved viruses which apears to be sent from my fellow D.U.C.K.hunters, and I know that viruses has even been sent in MY name. It's now time to stop this mess!!! According to my Danish friend Thomas Lauritsen these viruses comes from Greece and most probably from someone close to, or most likely inside D.U.C.K.hunt. And there is ONE D.U.C.K.hunter from whom there has been no viruses - Apostolis Trikourakis. This can heppen to best. Once Dan Shane's computer was infected so that it sent viruses in Don Rosa's name, so please Apostolis - do the following: a) Check you PC b) Tell us if the viruses are coming from elsewhere or c) If the viruses are coming from your PC - please confess so that not all greeks in the DCML becomes suspected. Sigvald :-) From kyrimis at cti.gr Tue Oct 22 15:33:41 2002 From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 16:33:41 +0300 Subject: Viruses keep coming from Apostolis? In-Reply-To: <200210221233.g9MCXfD77147@backup.dht.dk> References: <200210221233.g9MCXfD77147@backup.dht.dk> Message-ID: <200210221633.41241.kyrimis@cti.gr> SIGVALD: > so that not all greeks in the DCML becomes suspected. Don't look at me: I refuse to read my e-mail on a Windows machine, and I've set up the Windows machine that I use at work so that the default mailer is pine (a text-only client), outlook cannot run (it's simple: I've never gone past the configuration dialogs), and virus definitions are updated daily (this is probably the most important bit). I really am paranoid! Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr) (WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis) ----- "Small though it is, the human brain may be quite effective when used properly!" ----- From r.kooijman4 at chello.nl Tue Oct 22 17:40:50 2002 From: r.kooijman4 at chello.nl (Roy Kooijman) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 17:40:50 +0200 Subject: Subject: Second book In-Reply-To: <20021022112331.76768.qmail@web13505.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000401c279e1$666cbd00$f6d3c23e@arnhem.chello.nl> Hi Duco > The prefaces to our collected '53-weekly > contained nothing interesting nor new. Well the copies of the advertisements placed in the Margriet (Dutch weekly) from 1952 were new to me... But the preface itself was indeed like you describe. In fact I found it a pity they didn't use better quality old weeklies for these expensive books. The idea was good, at least I now have (copies off) the two issues I miss from 1953 ;-) > I hope that they'll ask a guy like Roy Kooijman, who > has both the knowledge and love for the ducks to write > these kind of prefaces. I for one would look forward > to his prefaces anyway. You are too kind Duco, I honoustly don't believe I am able to write such nice things as Anders did/does! Besides I wonder if the Dutch editor would find it interesting to place such prefaces in such a book if they would continue the series... well maybe, they do place some extra pieces of text, art and stuff in the Dutch Beste verhalen and Oom Dagobert (Uncle Scrooge) albums (sometimes) which is nice! -- Roy From jose at viajesgenil.com Mon Oct 21 13:15:22 2002 From: jose at viajesgenil.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel_Prieto?=) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 13:15:22 +0200 Subject: Current Italian issues Message-ID: Hi everybody! I am a big fan of Disney comics from Spain. This is my first message to the DCML, and I would like to ask for a bit help from the Italian members: could anyone please tell me the stories contained in this month's "I grandi classici", "Zio Paperone" and "I maestri Disney" magazines? Thank you very much. JOSE From dghez at hotmail.com Wed Oct 23 15:00:31 2002 From: dghez at hotmail.com (Didier Ghez) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 15:00:31 +0200 Subject: Any news about those two books ? Message-ID: Hi, A few months ago Francois mentionned that those two books would be published in France before the end of the year. Does anybody have any news about them ? Book about Taliaferro to be published by Caligula; October 2002. Giovan Battista Carpi to be published by La Vie d'Artistes; October 2002. Thanks a million in advance. Didier -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20021023/2e3c9344/attachment.html From komixgreekpage at yahoo.com Thu Oct 24 00:06:03 2002 From: komixgreekpage at yahoo.com (Apostolis Trikourakis) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 15:06:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Viruses keep coming from Apostolis? Message-ID: <20021023220603.52392.qmail@web11401.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all I'm not responsible for that mess, that's sure! I don't have an internet access for 3 weeks now. I bought a new one 3-4 days ago. These 3-4 days I'm receiving almost 10 e-mails with viruses every day from Anders, dcml and a dozen of other people! I haven't sent not even one e-mail these days so I think that the virus itself is doing the job. I just delete these e-mails because I know that the virus is replying itself. Why to send viruses to you, anyway? Best Wishes ===== Apostolis Trikourakis, Athens, Greece E-mail: komixgreekpage at yahoo.com Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/komixgreekpage __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From reimersholme at hotmail.com Thu Oct 24 00:11:48 2002 From: reimersholme at hotmail.com (Stefan Persson) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 00:11:48 +0200 Subject: Viruses keep coming from Apostolis? References: <20021023220603.52392.qmail@web11401.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Apostolis Trikourakis" To: Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 12:06 AM Subject: Viruses keep coming from Apostolis? > I'm not responsible for that mess, that's sure! I > don't have an internet access for 3 weeks now. I > bought a new one 3-4 days ago. These 3-4 days I'm > receiving almost 10 e-mails with viruses every day > from Anders, dcml and a dozen of other people! I > haven't sent not even one e-mail these days so I think > that the virus itself is doing the job. I just delete > these e-mails because I know that the virus is > replying itself. Why to send viruses to you, anyway? Besides, the headers of your mail suggest that you use web-based mail. Such a service doesn't have any access to any part of your hard disk whatsoever. Thus, no viruses can be sent from you. Stefan From raptus at stofanet.dk Thu Oct 24 02:24:29 2002 From: raptus at stofanet.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Krarup_Olesen?=) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 02:24:29 +0200 Subject: Viruses keep coming from Apostolis? References: <200210221233.g9MCXfD77147@backup.dht.dk> Message-ID: <3DB73DBD.3080508@stofanet.dk> SIGVALD: > The last few days I have daily recieved viruses which apears to be [...] I have asked you once and now I try again. Can you please tell us the IP from which the virus is delivered? Is it really that difficult? Click on "show extended header" or whatever it's called. I find that a more constructive manouevre than accusing randomly selected Greeks. S?ren From H.W.Fluks at kpn.com Thu Oct 24 10:16:52 2002 From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com (H.W.Fluks@kpn.com) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 10:16:52 +0200 Subject: Viruses Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452207AD1908@l04.research.kpn.com> Apostolis wrote: > Why to send viruses to you, anyway? Sigvald can never accuse you personally of sending viruses to anyone. That's the nature of a virus: it spreads itself. All we need to do is find the machines (of one or more of us) that currently carry the virus. The first step to that is that Sigvald answers Soeren's question. Soeren wrote: > Is it really that difficult? Click on "show extended header" > or whatever it's called. Yes, Microsoft manages very well to hide these kinds of internet technicalities. And they also manage well to hide the fact that most viruses are in fact FAULTS in THEIR software... (In my version of Microsoft Outlook, the message headers are under View -> Options. I have to search for it every time, since it's such an illogic place...) --Harry. From H.W.Fluks at kpn.com Thu Oct 24 10:40:49 2002 From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com (H.W.Fluks@kpn.com) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 10:40:49 +0200 Subject: Dutch Donald Duck weekly exists 50 years Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452207AD1909@l04.research.kpn.com> Vidar asked: > > The result is a full-page article where I say various things > > about the moral and ethical values of the DD stories... > > and what *did* you say? Lots of stuff, but all in Dutch. 8-) (I can send you a copy of the Dutch text, if you want. It's on the web, somewhere at www.nd.nl) Some things I talked about: - DD stories are not just aimed at children, that's why they are so successful. - There are few parents in the DD world: parents are usually in the way when you want to have an adventure. - There's a lot of violence, but never useless violence, and the good always wins in the end. - Scrooge is rich, and wants to become richer, but he's not a real capitalist. He doesn't want power with his money; he only wants to swim in it. - Scrooge always gets more money in a "square" way. And in many cases he doesn't get what he want, for instance because a treasure found in Turkey rightfully belongs to the Turkish government. - The Dutch minister warned against comics in 1948. But his statement was too general: there *were* harmful comics in those days, but also harmless ones like DD, Bob & Bobette, Asterix, Tintin, etc. - I can imagine that some orthodox christians objected to DD (in the 1950s) because in some stories ghosts or witches are involved. (The interviewer adds that another objection was that DD and the nephews were gambling and went to dance halls.) - In the DD stories there are no references to church or religion. I remember one story where a big gothic church building was involved, with a big organ in it. But apart from the organ, the building contained *no* religious objects. - The DD weekly manages quite well to stay politically and religiously neutral. The only thing I remember are some stories from the 70s and 80s with a strong respect for nature and environment. Note that I myself generalised a bit (by using words like "always" and "never"). I did that to keep my arguments simple: to every statement above, at least one exception can be found. Also note that I am mainly talking about the Dutch weekly. So I excluded some really offensive Italian stories from the pocket books. As well as, for instance, a Vic Lockman story that teaches children that it is good to demolish half of nature, as long as the goal is that humans can enjoy better the nature that's left... (that story was never printed in Holland). --Harry. From raptus at stofanet.dk Thu Oct 24 11:38:56 2002 From: raptus at stofanet.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Krarup_Olesen?=) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:38:56 +0200 Subject: Viruses References: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452207AD1908@l04.research.kpn.com> Message-ID: <3DB7BFB0.2030904@stofanet.dk> SIGVALD + HARRY: > All we need to do is find the machines (of one or more of us) that > currently carry the virus. The first step to that is that Sigvald > answers Soeren's question. No need to, since I just received a virus myself! :-) The IP of the sender is 213.5.53.218 which solves to ppp53-218.korinthos.access.acn.gr, i.e. a typical telephone modem connection. The person was using iridium2.int.acn.gr as mail server. According to my logs: In mid August a person with a similar IP was visiting both duckburg.dk and inducks.org. He or she was using IE 3.01 and Windows 95. I can't say for sure that this is the same person, but Windows 95 is a good starting point, if you wish to carry a virus ;-) (end of my OT solo speech) S?ren From bi442 at lafn.org Thu Oct 24 15:59:46 2002 From: bi442 at lafn.org (Rob Klein) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:59:46 GMT Subject: Viruses Message-ID: <200210241359.g9ODxkN1092214@zoon.lafn.org> Is this virus that is circulating through our list group carried by receiving the digested messages from DCML? Or is it only spread through individual messages that come in private messages directly from list members (one to another)? I am terribly afraid of receiving a virus. Regarding the appeal I made for French back issues: If you respond to that, please send your response to the general list. I will then send the list the issues I want to you. I am reasonably sure that I do not have a virus now (unless it can be obtained directly from receiving the digested list, and is still being carried by the digested list messages). Since beginning of June, I have only been receiving them for the last 4 days. Before that, I was reading the list messages from the DCML Archives. Duco Feenstra is the only list member that has sent me a message since I returned home recently. I hope your machine is not infected, Duco. And, I hope only very few members have actually picked up the virus. I am NOT using a Microsoft mail server. In addition, I use my mail server ONLY through its "Remote Access" capability. I hope that keeps such viruses from being picked up by my PC. Thanks, Rob Klein --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ From SRoweCanoe at aol.com Thu Oct 24 16:15:43 2002 From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe@aol.com) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 10:15:43 -0400 Subject: Viruses Message-ID: <24B40CDF.010BB214.0C38BCAA@aol.com> these viruses are currently only affecting: 1) attachments - so never down load without knowing for sure. I knew someone who got a virus allegedly from their Mother's account --- he said "if you cant trust your mother, you can you trust?" 2) folks who use Microsoft's mail reader - outlook express if you don't open attachments (particularly without checking to see the attachment's format) or don't use outlook express -- you should be fine ((for the time being)) and buy a virus detector - and keep it updated Steven Rowe SRoweCanoe at aol.com From kyrimis at cti.gr Thu Oct 24 16:26:08 2002 From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 17:26:08 +0300 Subject: Viruses In-Reply-To: <3DB7BFB0.2030904@stofanet.dk> References: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452207AD1908@l04.research.kpn.com> <3DB7BFB0.2030904@stofanet.dk> Message-ID: <200210241726.08122.kyrimis@cti.gr> SOREN: > The IP of the sender is 213.5.53.218 which solves to > ppp53-218.korinthos.access.acn.gr, i.e. a typical telephone modem > connection. Given that ACN is an Athens-based ISP (I just checked), and Korinthos is the name of a Greek city (which you might know as Corinth), I would guess that the infected machine is in that city. Any list members from there? Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr) (WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis) ----- "It sets such a bad precedent when you start letting the world come to an end every week or so. It seems to erode the confidence people have in their governments for some reason." ----- From kyrimis at cti.gr Thu Oct 24 16:53:21 2002 From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 17:53:21 +0300 Subject: Viruses In-Reply-To: <24B40CDF.010BB214.0C38BCAA@aol.com> References: <24B40CDF.010BB214.0C38BCAA@aol.com> Message-ID: <200210241753.21051.kyrimis@cti.gr> STEVEN: > and buy a virus detector - and keep it updated I'll second that. And don't just keep it updated: be paranoid about updating it. New viruses appear almost every day, and it is the viruses that your virus detector doesn't recognize that are going to infect your machine. In addition, installing a firewall, such as zone alarm, might be a good idea, to prevent worms, such as Opaserv, from entering your machine. (I've seen this virus being caught by a virus detector as soon as the machine was connected to the internet, so this is no exaggeration!) Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr) (WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis) ----- "Captain... you are BLUE!" ----- From xephyr at cwnet.com Thu Oct 24 17:41:52 2002 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (xephyr@cwnet.com) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:41:52 -0400 Subject: HooZoo Message-ID: <293580-2200210424154152334@M2W050.mail2web.com> From: Erik Horthe erikh at newmedia.no > Hello Rich > > Could you please repeat where the HooZoo-list is nowadays? > I can?t get into the Mathstar.net-pages, and have forgotten > if you have told us a new address on the mail-list. Hi Erik, Here is the new URL, but please be advised it has not been updated, though it does contain more information than the Mathstar copy (which was based on an earlier version). Also, it is a TEXT ONLY site, as there are currently no images. I have been working on a series of all NEW images for the site. http://users.cwnet.com/xephyr/rich/dzone/hoozoo/hzlist.html Hope that helps until I can get the time to actually sit down and fix everything (including the bad links). Thanks, Rich -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From anders_sivebaek at nns.dk Thu Oct 24 19:18:04 2002 From: anders_sivebaek at nns.dk (Anders Christian=?ISO-8859-1?Q?_Siveb=BEk?=) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 19:18:04 +0200 Subject: My preface - Duco and Roy In-Reply-To: <200210231000.g9NA0X312393@numerus.ling.uu.se> References: <200210231000.g9NA0X312393@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: Hi all > DUCO: > >Many congratulations, both to you and, even more, to >the Danish readers of these books. I really wish we >Dutch had someone with your knowledge of and love for >the Ducks who could write similar prefaces to our >Dutch books. Thank you very much for those words, my friend! they warm all the way down :-) DUCO: >> I hope that they'll ask a guy like Roy Kooijman, who >> has both the knowledge and love for the ducks to write >> these kind of prefaces. I for one would look forward >> to his prefaces anyway. ROY >You are too kind Duco, I honoustly don't believe I am able to write such >nice things as Anders did/does! Gosh, thanks again. I'm starting to wonder if I should make translations into english of those prefaces and post them here, for your enjoyment, if they are indeed good. But that will be in due time. I do have just a bit of that the next days, but not mcuh. not enough. Hilsen/Yours Anders Christian Siveb?k Donaldist From vidar-svendsen at c2i.net Thu Oct 24 21:01:24 2002 From: vidar-svendsen at c2i.net (Vidar Svendsen) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 21:01:24 +0200 Subject: Dutch Donald Duck weekly exists 50 years In-Reply-To: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452207AD1909@l04.research.kpn. com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20021024205728.00a305b0@popw.c2i.net> Harry: >(I can send you a copy of the Dutch text, if you want. It's on the web, >somewhere at www.nd.nl) I found it at http://www.nd.nl/archief/2002/10/19/lbin2.htm and translated it to "English" at http://www.worldlingo.com/products_services/worldlingo_translator.html (actually only half the article was translated because it was too long, but that's no problem) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Vidar Svendsen http://home.c2i.net/vidarland/ "Nothing travels faster than the speed of light with the possible exception of bad news, which obeys its own special laws." From sigvald at duckburg.dk Fri Oct 25 00:50:17 2002 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (sigvald@duckburg.dk) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 00:50:17 +0200 (CEST) Subject: I am sorry, Apostolis! Message-ID: <200210242250.g9OMoHT32991@backup.dht.dk> Hi all! I am very sorry if Apostolis was in any way hurt by my suspiciousness. But I was only saying what I believed Thomas Lauritsen told us between the lines in his posting about this. Anyway, I formed it as a question – I was *never* blaming my friend Apostolis for causing anything deliberately. I hope you understand that receiving 2-4 viruses from the same place every day does really irritate me. Thomas did tell us where it comes from, so what more could I do? So those of you who are experts on this, please continue your investigation so that this mess can be stopped as soon as possible. Sigvald :-) From reimersholme at hotmail.com Fri Oct 25 00:57:10 2002 From: reimersholme at hotmail.com (Stefan Persson) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 00:57:10 +0200 Subject: I am sorry, Apostolis! References: <200210242250.g9OMoHT32991@backup.dht.dk> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 12:50 AM Subject: I am sorry, Apostolis! > I am very sorry if Apostolis was in any way hurt by my suspiciousness. But I was only saying what I believed Thomas Lauritsen told us between the lines in his posting about this. Anyway, I formed it as a question ? I was *never* blaming my friend Apostolis for causing anything deliberately. I hope you understand that receiving 2-4 viruses from the same place every day does really irritate me. Thomas did tell us where it comes from, so what more could I do? So those of you who are experts on this, please continue your investigation so that this mess can be stopped as soon as possible. Some e-mail clients have a filter option. However, I don't know if that is possible with your mailer (Feriepost 0,14). Stefan From komixgreekpage at yahoo.com Fri Oct 25 02:43:08 2002 From: komixgreekpage at yahoo.com (Apostolis Trikourakis) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 17:43:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: I am sorry, Apostolis! Message-ID: <20021025004308.50611.qmail@web11406.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all Sigvald wrote: > I am very sorry if Apostolis was in any way hurt by > my suspiciousness. No need to apologise, my friend :-) Best Wishes ===== Apostolis Trikourakis, Athens, Greece E-mail: komixgreekpage at yahoo.com Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/komixgreekpage __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From fernandopventura at uol.com.br Fri Oct 25 06:21:47 2002 From: fernandopventura at uol.com.br (Fernando Ventura) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 02:21:47 -0200 Subject: Rob Klein: Off Topic Message-ID: <005301c27bde$09670da0$8aa0fea9@usuario> Rob, I've send two e-mails to you, but both of then came back! I've told on the mails that I'll try to search the brazilian comics to you and thanks for sending me the complete list! It'll help a lot! :-) Sorry to be off topic! No news about special editions this year here in Brazil...unfortunatelly! I have lot's and lot's of e-mails from my DCML friends to respond! Please, be patiente, I'm becoming crazy with some things to do! Fernando! :-) From timoro at hotmail.com Fri Oct 25 10:42:36 2002 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:42:36 +0300 Subject: Dutch Donald Duck weekly exists 50 years Message-ID: >and translated it to "English" at >http://www.worldlingo.com/ >(actually only half the article was translated because it was too long Worldlingo have improved a little bit, I can see, but not perfect still. You can translate whole article little by little by cut and paste method. Eh..? "Nobody Donald - except hijzelf perhaps - heldhaftig will call." hijzelf? = himself? heldhaftig? "Carl barque" :-D Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kylä 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ¨¨ Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ¨¨ Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ................................. "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on cowslip - far from me!" >From: Vidar Svendsen >To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se >Subject: RE: Dutch Donald Duck weekly exists 50 years >Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 21:01:24 +0200 > >Harry: >>(I can send you a copy of the Dutch text, if you want. It's on the web, >>somewhere at www.nd.nl) > >I found it at >http://www.nd.nl/archief/2002/10/19/lbin2.htm >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Vidar Svendsen http://home.c2i.net/vidarland/ > >"Nothing travels faster than the speed of light >with the possible exception of bad news, >which obeys its own special laws." > >_______________________________________________ >http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp From Ola.Martinsson at uab.ericsson.se Fri Oct 25 13:00:52 2002 From: Ola.Martinsson at uab.ericsson.se (Ola Martinsson) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:00:52 +0200 Subject: Can someone help me get hold of the Donald Duck dailis in Norway ? References: <200210251001.g9PA1w315143@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <3DB92464.13E1B4D3@uab.ericsson.se> Hi all norwegians on this list. A while ago someone on this list mentioned that the Donald Duck dailies by Al Taliaferro had been published in Norway up till I think 1951. In Sweden were I live they stopped after 1940. So I wonder can anyone of you help me to get hold of these from 1941 and upwards ? Either if you can sell them privately or help me with the address for a used comic store or private seller that might have them. If you're not interested in selling maybe we can change. I have many swedish Kalle Anka and some others to change with and a few american WDC. Hoping for an answer. Ola in cloudy Stockholm +5 From Ola.Martinsson at uab.ericsson.se Fri Oct 25 13:05:50 2002 From: Ola.Martinsson at uab.ericsson.se (Ola Martinsson) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:05:50 +0200 Subject: A phrase queary and a quiz References: <200210251001.g9PA1w315143@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <3DB9258E.65E369D6@uab.ericsson.se> I just read the other day an old Mickey Mouse story where this phrase was. Everything from sloop to knots. I should be some kind of pun I understand from the context but I don't get it. Can someone explain this for me ? Quiz: From michael.schartau at swipnet.se Fri Oct 25 13:38:26 2002 From: michael.schartau at swipnet.se (Michael Schartau) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:38:26 +0200 Subject: A phrase queary and a quiz References: <200210251001.g9PA1w315143@numerus.ling.uu.se> <3DB9258E.65E369D6@uab.ericsson.se> Message-ID: <000701c27c1b$09100040$a10611ac@flygtaxi.se> What is the situation in the story. To me it sounds like a slogan for a marine supply store. /Michael Sloop: A vessel with a single mast. Knot: A general term for a hitch or bend Knot: A unit of speed, one nautical mile per hour. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ola Martinsson To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 1:05 PM Subject: A phrase queary and a quiz I just read the other day an old Mickey Mouse story where this phrase was. Everything from sloop to knots. I should be some kind of pun I understand from the context but I don't get it. Can someone explain this for me ? Quiz: From what story is this ? Hint below It's a Murry story and includes Goofy and Black Pete. Thanks ! Ola in still cloudy Stockholm +5 _______________________________________________ http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20021025/cf65135b/attachment.html From ari.seppi at iki.fi Fri Oct 25 22:20:29 2002 From: ari.seppi at iki.fi (Ari Seppi) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:20:29 +0300 Subject: Jippes in Finland Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021025221232.023ec050@imap.uta.fi> As mentioned earlier on the list, Daan Jippes visited Helsinki Book Fair today. And makes a couple of more appearances tomorrow. Based on the previous Rosa's visits, I expected the signing events to be crowded (of course not as crowded as Rosa's but a bit crowded anyway). Because of that, I was very surprised to see how few people there were. On the beginning of the first signing event there were four of us signature hunters. Nice part of it was that Jippes had time to do a drawing for almost everybody. The funniest drawing in the first event went to a woman who got the signature and the drawing for his son. Son's name was Elvis so Jippes drew Donald with you-know-what-hair. :-) The second event was more crowded, but there was still time for drawings. I guess Disney comics artists have to make a Kalevala story to be popular in Finland. (Oh wait, "Seven Brothers" story might also work.) -- Ari Seppi (ari.seppi at iki.fi) http://www.iki.fi/mani/ Winnie the Pooh is my great guru. From marcobar at ds.unifi.it Sat Oct 26 10:35:26 2002 From: marcobar at ds.unifi.it (Marco Barlotti) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 10:35:26 +0200 Subject: an unusual Mickey In-Reply-To: <200210241001.g9OA1d329625@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021026102019.01c44008@mail.unifi.it> I've read the Italian translation ("Topolino e l'incendiario") of the story D 93559 "The firemaker" ("Dem Feuerteufel auf der Spur" in LTB 229). This story tells about Mickey Mouse chasing a firebug. In case anybody here knows the original version, or a different translation, I have a couple of questions. At the beginning, Chief O'Hara rings up Mickey for help. This is very common, as we all know. Very unusual is however Mickey's answer: OK, he says, I'm going to help you. But I'm a private detective, I'm currently working on a (paid) case, and if I have to use my time to help you then you too must pay. This is even common sense (who hasn't wondered at least once HOW in the world Mickey Mouse earns his money? Donald Duck is working much more often than Mickey, and he is always broke, while Mickey (almost) never has problems with money!). It is only right that the police pays for Mickey's help, but this is the first (and, to be honest, also the last) time that he asks for payment. So the first question is: is this the original dialogue? Are there other stories where Mickey gets paid by the police for his help? Then the plot carries on, and we reach the end. No more mention of the payment. But in the last three panels there is a strange dialogue between Mickey and O'Hara. O'Hara offers Mickey a steak, or a mixed grill, or a toast; Mickey refuses and says he will go home to eat a raw carrot. There is probably a reasonable pun on the misuse of fire (remember? The whole story is about a firebug), that explains why Mickey won't eat a steak (cooked on fire) or even a mixed grill (cooked on fire) but why not a toast? Again, I'd like to know whwther the dialogue was changed. Maybe there was some pun on the payment? The matter of the payment is not mentioned anymore after the beginning of the story. OK, that's all. If the dialoge was not changed this is a very partcular MM story, and I thought it was worth mentioning. So here comes the last, but not least, question: who wrote that story? Did the same person write other stories, and which? Thanks everybody for your help! Marco http://www.cce.unifi.it/~marcobar/Comics From ari.seppi at iki.fi Sat Oct 26 11:19:23 2002 From: ari.seppi at iki.fi (Ari Seppi) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 12:19:23 +0300 Subject: an unusual Mickey In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021026102019.01c44008@mail.unifi.it> References: <200210241001.g9OA1d329625@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021026115825.02972e70@imap.uta.fi> Marco: >At the beginning, Chief O'Hara rings up Mickey for help. This is very >common, as we all know. Very unusual is however Mickey's answer: OK, he >says, I'm going to help you. But I'm a private detective, I'm currently >working on a (paid) case, and if I have to use my time to help you then >you too must pay. > >So the first question is: is this the original dialogue? Are there other >stories where Mickey gets paid by the police for his help? I don't have the original or even Finnish reprint at hand, but I wouldn't be surprised if Mickey really asked for money. After all in these Mickey Mystery -stories [ http://coa.duckburg.dk/coa/c1/comp2.php?lg=0&default_o=1&ser=Mickey+Mystery ] Mickey has a detective agency of his own, he dresses like a traditional detective and the stories are more Philip Marlowe like than usual Mickey stories. What is really a pity is that Mickey being so unpopular in Finland, this series was not completely published here. >Then the plot carries on, and we reach the end. No more mention of the >payment. But in the last three panels there is a strange dialogue between >Mickey and O'Hara. O'Hara offers Mickey a steak, or a mixed grill, or a >toast; Mickey refuses and says he will go home to eat a raw carrot. There >is probably a reasonable pun on the misuse of fire (remember? The whole >story is about a firebug), that explains why Mickey won't eat a steak >(cooked on fire) or even a mixed grill (cooked on fire) but why not a toast? I seem to remember that Finnish reprint had the same end discussion so that was probably in the original as well. And as for the toast, well, toasts are usually toasted which is fire/heat related. -- Ari Seppi (ari.seppi at iki.fi) http://www.iki.fi/mani/ Winnie the Pooh is my great guru. From sigvald at duckburg.dk Sat Oct 26 17:45:55 2002 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (sigvald@duckburg.dk) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 17:45:55 +0200 (CEST) Subject: I am about to be really fed up of the virus shit!!! Message-ID: <200210261545.g9QFjtV67789@backup.dht.dk> Hi all! Almost everytime I open my mailbox there is 2-3 viruses with D.U.C.K.hunter-names conected to them. So I am now about to be really fed up of this virus shit!!! If this is not stopped soon I'll consider leaving this group!!! I say this because I believe that some of YOU can stop this ness if you really wants to. I think that an expert like Soeren Krarup Olesen should send a mail to whoever is the host of the infected Greek in Korinth and ask them to end their services for that bas.... Sigvald :-) From reimersholme at hotmail.com Sat Oct 26 17:51:24 2002 From: reimersholme at hotmail.com (Stefan Persson) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 17:51:24 +0200 Subject: I am about to be really fed up of the virus shit!!! References: <200210261545.g9QFjtV67789@backup.dht.dk> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 5:45 PM Subject: I am about to be really fed up of the virus shit!!! > Almost everytime I open my mailbox there is 2-3 viruses with D.U.C.K.hunter-names conected to them. So I am now about to be really fed up of this virus shit!!! If this is not stopped soon I'll consider leaving this group!!! That would probably not solve the problem: the one with the infected computer will (probably) still have your address in his address book, and the virus might not even come from someone on this list. Stefan From SRoweCanoe at aol.com Sat Oct 26 18:01:42 2002 From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe@aol.com) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 12:01:42 EDT Subject: I am about to be really fed up of the virus shit!!! Message-ID: <172.108a6b8f.2aec1666@aol.com> In a message dated 10/26/2002 11:48:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sigvald at duckburg.dk writes: > > Almost everytime I open my mailbox there is 2-3 viruses with > D.U.C.K.hunter-names conected to them. So I am now about to be really fed > up of this virus shit!!! If this is not stopped soon I'll consider leaving > this group!!! > bye, sorry to see you go althought leaving the list probably wont change the amount of viruses you get Steven Rowe - who gets no viruses from this list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20021026/561bab9a/attachment.html From goofy313g at aol.com Sat Oct 26 19:50:05 2002 From: goofy313g at aol.com (goofy313g@aol.com) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 13:50:05 -0400 Subject: Dr Vulter (to the COA team, especially Fran=?ISO-8859-1?B?529pcyk=?= Message-ID: <17AD4C92.576AA34B.030ADA8E@aol.com> Hi!!! I found four books in a bookshop in Aix en Provence that i'll index when i've time : *"La fabuleuse histoire de Mickey", Le livre de Paris, 1978 (1re ?dition : 1970) *"Bandes Dessin?es - 1932-1951", Hachette Edi-Monde, 1981 (both indexed in coa as "Grands albums blancs Le Livre de Paris/Hachette") * two albums of the collection "l'?ge d'or de Mickey" : "Mickey et l'?le volante " and "Mickey agent secret" (i already had "Mickey sur la piste du gorille") Fran?ois, i also found but didn't buy albums of Pascal "Mezzo" Mesemberg and pirus. i didn't know they had made cimicbooks. There was even a book that published drawings by mezzo, and among them a non-disney drawing published in PM (the one with the thumb-men) entitled "des personnages "historiques"", with gottfredson's characters, the date of their appearances, their french names and their original names... (i'll list them in another mail) In coa, you say that Dr Vulter's french name is "Laurent Outang" In the "des personnages "historiques"" pages, we see that his french name is simply "Docteur Vulter", and that there is indeed a "Laurent-Houtant", which is the french name for a cat character with box gloves called "Creamo Catnera", who appeared in 1931... you should correct this... In "Bandes Dessin?es - 1932-1951", all the bucky bug silly symphonies are published!!! there is even a map of their city, Junkville, and Flyburg city, that i'll probably add in my maps section... Au revoir!!! Gilles MAURICE http://goofy313g.free.fr/calisota_online/ From goofy313g at aol.com Sat Oct 26 20:10:09 2002 From: goofy313g at aol.com (goofy313g@aol.com) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 14:10:09 -0400 Subject: Des personnages "historiques" Message-ID: <50C328E4.01431E35.030ADA8E@aol.com> Here is the list of all the characters which appear on the three pages entitled "Des personnages "historiques"", from "La fabuleuse histoire de Mickey": date: english name (translated french name ) ; description when needed 1930: Katt Nipp (Kipp) 1930: Mr Slicker (Ratino) 1930: Sylvester Shyster (Me Chicaneau) 1930: Uncle Mortimer (Oncle Radeville) (a mouse character with a moustache) 1931: Ruffhouse Rat (Ratapoil); a rat character who looks like Mortimer/Montmorency/Slicker with "BB" on his pants. 1931: Creamo Catnera (Laurent-Houtant) 1932: Bucky Bug (Bucky) 1932: Mayor Bugg (Le Maire) 1932: Prof. Ecks and Doublex (Prof. Ixe et Doublixe) 1932: Captain Churchmouse (Capitaine Rademer) 1933: Mortimer Mouse (Oncle Mortimer); the picture given for Uncle Mortimer in Per Starback's site... they seem to make a difference between the two uncle mortimer's 1933: Tanglefoot (Trotte-Menu) 1933: Mr Gloomy (Badelel) 1933: Captain Doberman (Capitaine Fendelair) 1934: Don Jollio (Don Jollio) ; a mexican dogface with moustache 1935: Mr Squinch (Latrique) 1935: Max Hare (Max le Li?vre) 1935: Toby Tortoise (Tobie la Tortue) 1935: Elmer (Elmer) ; the elephant 1935: Inky, Calico, Fluff (Chichi, Chachat, Titi) ; the three orphan kittens 1935: Dr Vulter (Docteur Vulter) 1936: Oscar (Oscar) ; the ostrich 1936: Faucon (Trigger Hawkes) ; a dogface with a cigarette in his mouth 1936: Big Bad Wolf (Grand Loup) 1936: Dr Einmug (Prof. Mirandus) 1937: Little Hiawatha (Hiawatha) 1939: Joe Piper (Chalumeau) 1939: Mr Casey (M. Casey, d?tective) 1939: The "Blot" (Le Fantome Noir) 1939: Chief O'hara (Comissaire Finot) 1947: Pflip (Flip) 1947: Eaga Beewa (Iga Biva) If someone needs scans, Rich for instance, i'll be happy to make you some... bye! Gilles From raptus at stofanet.dk Sat Oct 26 20:11:00 2002 From: raptus at stofanet.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Krarup_Olesen?=) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 20:11:00 +0200 Subject: I am about to be really fed up of the virus shit!!! References: <200210261545.g9QFjtV67789@backup.dht.dk> Message-ID: <3DBADAB4.4050409@stofanet.dk> SIGVALD: > I say this because I believe that some of YOU can stop this ness if > you really wants to. I think that an expert like Soeren Krarup Olesen > should send a mail to whoever is the host of the infected Greek in > Korinth and ask them to end their services for that bas.... I'll be happy to do so. Can you please next time forward some of the infected mails to me, then I'll write a letter to the Greek provider. S?ren From goofy313g at aol.com Sat Oct 26 20:16:13 2002 From: goofy313g at aol.com (goofy313g@aol.com) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 14:16:13 -0400 Subject: virus... Message-ID: <4D2EFA62.3D8A84DB.030ADA8E@aol.com> Why don't you use a note book made of *paper*, this good old paper, to note email adresses. That's what i use to do, that what we all shoud do, and that the only way to avoid this *shit*, as sigvald call them. That'd be so sad, sigvald, if you leave us... The only winner would be this $%?*?@#! virus!!! See you! Gilles From raptus at stofanet.dk Sat Oct 26 21:11:31 2002 From: raptus at stofanet.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Krarup_Olesen?=) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 21:11:31 +0200 Subject: I am about to be really fed up of the virus shit!!! References: <172.108a6b8f.2aec1666@aol.com> Message-ID: <3DBAE8E3.6020000@stofanet.dk> STEVEN + SIGVALD: Sorry, but I have to respond to this: > Steven Rowe - who gets no viruses from this list Neither does Sigvald! There is probably no connection between the viruses that Sigvald receives and this mailing list. I checked the IP and this does not occur in any mails sent here, so it's either a lurker (fully possible of course) or just somebody else. And Sigvald, it would be rather stupid to leave this mailing list, since you'd still receive the viruses and secondly, even more important, why leave due to such a small detail. Heck, I receive tons of spam every day, currently about "Viagra" and "Earn money from home" :-) The mails themselves don't bother me much, but it's annoying to know that the bandwidth of our otherwise fine Internet is used for this crap. I do urge people here to take a good look at the actual sender of both spam and viruses and subsequently send an e-mail to their respective providers. My experience tells me that it does indeed help. Best, S?ren (Spam: Get fully resistant towards viruses---use Linux! ;-) From sigvald at duckburg.dk Sat Oct 26 23:11:51 2002 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (sigvald@duckburg.dk) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 23:11:51 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Antw: I am about to be really fed up of the virus shit!!! Message-ID: <200210262111.g9QLBpD36255@backup.dht.dk> Irene Postma skrev: > It might well be that it is your own computer causing all the > trouble. You may have got a virus, that takes names from your > own address book and have "them" send messages to your own account. Firstly I I read my e-mails via Internet Explorer. Secondly I had my machine scehcked yesterday. So there are definately no virus on my computer! > Otherwise, it is somebody you know, but who has nothing to do > with the names that appear in the mails. No, our Danish friends says it comes from a Greek in the city of Korinth. By the way, Irene, are you in family with the famous Dutch speed-skater Ids Postma? Best regards from Sigvald :-) From sigvald at duckburg.dk Sat Oct 26 23:15:32 2002 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (sigvald@duckburg.dk) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 23:15:32 +0200 (CEST) Subject: I am about to be really fed up of the virus shit!!! Message-ID: <200210262115.g9QLFWa37176@backup.dht.dk> Soren_Krarup_Olesen wrote: > > SIGVALD: > >> I say this because I believe that some of YOU can stop this mess >> if you really wants to. I think that an expert like Soeren Krarup >> Olesen should send a mail to whoever is the host of the infected >> Greek in Korinth and ask them to end their services for that >> bas.... > > I'll be happy to do so. Can you please next time forward some > of the infected mails to me, then I'll write a letter to the > Greek provider. You bet I will, and I guess you won't have to wait for long! But didn't you get a virus yourself and thus allready have the adress? Sigvald :-) From kyrimis at cti.gr Sun Oct 27 17:49:08 2002 From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 18:49:08 +0200 Subject: an unusual Mickey In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021026102019.01c44008@mail.unifi.it> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021026102019.01c44008@mail.unifi.it> Message-ID: <200210271849.08399.kyrimis@cti.gr> MARCO: > who hasn't wondered at least once HOW in the > world Mickey Mouse earns his money? Perhaps he lives on the rewards for all those criminals he catches, just like Gladstone lives on all those contest prizes! Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr) (WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis) ----- "Sorry, but I'm from the twentieth century and I have no idea what you're talking about." ----- From kyrimis at cti.gr Sun Oct 27 18:04:44 2002 From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 19:04:44 +0200 Subject: I am about to be really fed up of the virus shit!!! In-Reply-To: <200210261545.g9QFjtV67789@backup.dht.dk> References: <200210261545.g9QFjtV67789@backup.dht.dk> Message-ID: <200210271904.44447.kyrimis@cti.gr> SIGVALD: > send a mail to whoever is the host of the infected Greek in Korinth and ask > them to end their services for that bas.... I don't want to sound critical, but considering that said bas... could well be some unlucky person who has no idea that his machine has been infected, shouldn't you be a bit more reserved in your judgment regarding his ancestry? It's not as if they're sending the viruses intentionally! Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr) (WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis) ----- "I prefer to put my faith in the mind probe!" ----- From kyrimis at cti.gr Sun Oct 27 17:55:54 2002 From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 18:55:54 +0200 Subject: I am about to be really fed up of the virus shit!!! In-Reply-To: <200210262111.g9QLBpD36255@backup.dht.dk> References: <200210262111.g9QLBpD36255@backup.dht.dk> Message-ID: <200210271855.54798.kyrimis@cti.gr> SIGVALD: > No, our Danish friends says it comes from a Greek in the city of Korinth. Has my guess about the infected machine being in Corinth been confirmed? Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr) (WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis) ----- "I'm the nearest thing you can get to infullable." "Infallible!" "Exactly." ----- From sigvald at duckburg.dk Sun Oct 27 18:14:01 2002 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (sigvald@duckburg.dk) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 18:14:01 +0100 (CET) Subject: Virsues sent to Soren Krarup Olesen Message-ID: <200210271714.g9RHE1797917@backup.dht.dk> Hi all! Today I found 2 new viruses in my mail-box. As requested I have now sent them over to Søren Krarup Olesen in order to have him hunting down and terminate the mail-accaunt of that Gree bas.... in Korinth who is behind this. Sigvald :-) From xephyr at cwnet.com Sun Oct 27 20:20:43 2002 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 11:20:43 -0800 Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #1112 - 10 msgs References: <200210271101.g9RB1c318678@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <3DBC3C8B.7060809@cwnet.com> > > Subject: > > I am about to be really fed up of the virus shit!!! > From: > > sigvald at duckburg.dk > > > >Hi all! > >Almost everytime I open my mailbox there is 2-3 viruses with D.U.C.K.hunter-names conected to them. So I am now about to be really fed up of this virus shit!!! If this is not stopped soon I'll consider leaving this group!!! > I'm just glad you are not experiencing what I was getting back when I used my "xephyr at jps.net" address. My mailbox was constantly filling up with more than 90 virus-infected e-mails each day, and as soon as I would delete the e-mails it would start them coming again, each time using up my allotted server-space. At first I hoped that by NOT receiving and deleting the e-mails, those that exceeded my space would bounce back to the offending harddrive and the person would get a clue that their harddrive was infected, but after several weeks I finally just closed out that e-mail address and moved on to a new one. It was a hopeless battle to which I finally had to surrender. -Rich Bellacera > Subject: > > Des personnages "historiques" > From: > > goofy313g at aol.com > > > >If someone needs scans, Rich for instance, i'll be happy to make you some... > Thanks for the offer Gilles, but the list you posted sounds exactly like the images listed in two hardbound editions I have called "BEST COMICS: Mickey Mouse" & "BEST COMICS: Donald Duck." The section where they are featured is called "Mickey's Guide to Familiar Walt Disney Comic Characters." Some are in Black&White and others in color. Oddly, it was these characters which first inspired me to tackle a guide to Disney Characters, and when the Mailing List's pre-incarnation (back in 1992) came along, the fuse was lit because all these wonderful people seemed to love Disney comics too! :-) I also have the hardbound edition of "BEST COMICS: Animated Deatures and Silly Symphonies," but that section, and the following one called "Graphic Development: 1930 - 1970" which shows the way Mickey and others' appearances changed over the years, and the introduction by Floyd Gottfredson, as well as the list of character names translated into different languages is not included. I'm sure to be hitting some folks up for scans in the near future though. Thanks, -Rich Bellacera -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20021027/565bea74/attachment.html From sigvald at duckburg.dk Sun Oct 27 20:51:42 2002 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (sigvald@duckburg.dk) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 20:51:42 +0100 (CET) Subject: "war" against "virus-terrorism" Message-ID: <200210271951.g9RJpgO35401@backup.dht.dk> Rich Bellacera wrote: >> Almost everytime I open my mailbox there is 2-3 viruses >> with D.U.C.K.hunter-names conected to them. So I am now >> about to be really fed up of this virus shit!!! If this >> is not stopped soon I'll consider leaving this group!!! > > I'm just glad you are not experiencing what I was getting > back when I used my "xephyr at jps.net" address. My mailbox > was constantly filling up with more than 90 virus-infected > e-mails each day, and as soon as I would delete the e-mails > it would start them coming again, each time using up my > allotted server-space. At first I hoped that by NOT > receiving and deleting the e-mails, those that exceeded my > space would bounce back to the offending harddrive and the > person would get a clue that their harddrive was infected, > but after several weeks I finally just closed out that > e-mail address and moved on to a new one. It was a hopeless > battle to which I finally had to surrender. Well I won't stop my "war" against "virus-terrorism", I can promise you that!!! That war *can* and *will* be won if the experts (like Soren Krarup Olesen) on DCML fights back. I sent two virusfiles over to Soren earlier today and hope that he'll now do his part of the job to stop this mess - go get that son of a b.... Soren!!! Sigvald :-) From georges at helm.lu Sun Oct 27 18:19:46 2002 From: georges at helm.lu (georges@helm.lu) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 18:19:46 +0100 Subject: ...virus shit!!! References: <200210261545.g9QFjtV67789@backup.dht.dk> <200210271904.44447.kyrimis@cti.gr> Message-ID: <001a01c27ddd$0fedc3c0$943aa6d5@p3> KRITON: > I don't want to sound critical, but considering that said bas... could > well be some unlucky person who has no idea that his machine has been > infected, shouldn't you be a bit more reserved in your judgment regarding > his ancestry? It's not as if they're sending the viruses intentionally! Just what I think, too. Georges From dreischel at hotmail.com Sun Oct 27 21:02:35 2002 From: dreischel at hotmail.com (dreischel@hotmail.com) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 21:02:35 +0100 Subject: "war" against "virus-terrorism" References: <200210271951.g9RJpgO35401@backup.dht.dk> Message-ID: Dear SIGVALD :-) Please stop this bullshit. Thank you! Dorilys > Well I won't stop my "war" against "virus-terrorism", I can promise you that!!! That war *can* and *will* be won if the experts (like Soren Krarup Olesen) on DCML fights back. I sent two virusfiles over to Soren earlier today and hope that he'll now do his part of the job to stop this mess - go get that son of a b.... Soren!!! > > Sigvald :-) From reimersholme at hotmail.com Sun Oct 27 21:31:48 2002 From: reimersholme at hotmail.com (Stefan Persson) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 21:31:48 +0100 Subject: Sigvald's boring OT discussion References: <200210271951.g9RJpgO35401@backup.dht.dk> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 8:51 PM Subject: "war" against "virus-terrorism" > Well I won't stop my "war" against "virus-terrorism", I can promise you that!!! That war *can* and *will* be won if the experts (like Soren Krarup Olesen) on DCML fights back. I sent two virusfiles over to Soren earlier today and hope that he'll now do his part of the job to stop this mess - go get that son of a b.... Soren!!! FYI, here is a quote from http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml: >>> About DCML Discussion about Disney comics. Here you can also find lots of information on Disney comics collected from members of the list. <<< That is, it doesn't mention anything about virus discussions. So stop sending such mails when you don't even know if the sender has anything to do with this list! Stefan From starback at ling.uu.se Sun Oct 27 21:52:10 2002 From: starback at ling.uu.se (Per Starback) Date: 27 Oct 2002 21:52:10 +0100 Subject: Viruses In-Reply-To: <200210241359.g9ODxkN1092214@zoon.lafn.org> References: <200210241359.g9ODxkN1092214@zoon.lafn.org> Message-ID: It's good to see that you are trying to find the infected computers, and that the IP has been determined. (I've checked if there is a member of the DCML with such an adress or if someone has accessed subscription pages for the DCML with that IP, but no.) But now when that is done I don't think anything more needs to be said about this off-topic subject here, except I'd like to answer Rob Kleins question > Is this virus that is circulating through our list group carried by > receiving the digested messages from DCML? Or is it only spread > through individual messages that come in private messages directly > from list members (one to another)? With of all the talk about viruses here I think this should be clearly said: * No viruses have been sent through the DCML. * If someone would address a virus to the DCML it would probably be eliminated by the central virus filter for uu.se. (The now very popular viruses are stopped this way at least. Of course new viruses may get through until the filter is updated.) * If they get through that far they will most likely be stopped anyway, because the forged sender address they use will probably not be a subscriber to the list, or they will be too big for the list, so they need manual intervention by me to get through. -- Per Starb?ck "Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!" From sigvald at duckburg.dk Mon Oct 28 11:49:06 2002 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (sigvald@duckburg.dk) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:49:06 +0100 (CET) Subject: I am sorry... Message-ID: <200210281049.g9SAn6E24846@backup.dht.dk> if anyone here is offended by my reactions caused by the virus-mess. There are IMO several reasons that discussion did belong in this forum: 1) The viruses are sent to several participants at DCML. 2) The viruses are sent in the names of d.u.c.k.hunters of whom most of us are following DCML. 3) Discussing the matter here has given results as Soren Krarup Olesen has proved that the viruses are sent from Korinth, Greece. BUT I do respect those of you who now says that enough is enough! I will thus let this topic rest for a while! I am also sorry if anyone here is offended by my "though language" in some of my mails regarding this subject, but that's the way tough guys speak in most movies. And please notice that I have *never* criticised Greeks in general. The only Greek I have *ever* criticised here on DCML is the guy in Korinth whose computer keeps bombing us with unwanted viruses. Sigvald :-) From michael.schartau at swipnet.se Mon Oct 28 12:13:46 2002 From: michael.schartau at swipnet.se (Michael Schartau) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:13:46 +0100 Subject: I second that. References: <172.108a6b8f.2aec1666@aol.com> Message-ID: <001e01c27e73$22b94060$a10611ac@flygtaxi.se> ----- Original Message ----- From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 5:01 PM Subject: Re: I am about to be really fed up of the virus shit!!! In a message dated 10/26/2002 11:48:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sigvald at duckburg.dk writes: Almost everytime I open my mailbox there is 2-3 viruses with D.U.C.K.hunter-names conected to them. So I am now about to be really fed up of this virus shit!!! If this is not stopped soon I'll consider leaving this group!!! bye, sorry to see you go althought leaving the list probably wont change the amount of viruses you get Steven Rowe - who gets no viruses from this list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20021028/4c8c2eb7/attachment.html From ramapith at mail.dk Sun Oct 27 23:58:41 2002 From: ramapith at mail.dk (David Gerstein) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 23:58:41 +0100 Subject: DCML digest, Vol 1 #1112 - 10 msgs In-Reply-To: <200210271101.g9RB1c318678@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: Giles and others, >1930: Uncle Mortimer (Oncle Radeville) (a mouse character with a moustache) [...] >1933: Mortimer Mouse (Oncle Mortimer); the picture given for Uncle Mortimer in >Per Starback's site... they seem to make a difference between the two uncle >mortimer's The "two" Mortimers are really the same. This is an *error* on the part of the original editors, who got confused by the fact that Mortimer's appearance changed from 1930 to 1933 (most obviously, he lost his moustache). >1931: Ruffhouse Rat (Ratapoil); a rat character who looks like >Mortimer/Montmorency/Slicker with "BB" on his pants. Ruffhouse Rat is Minnie's lazy cousin. Ruffhouse is *not* related to Mortimer/Montmorency. Ruffhouse is *not* related to Mr. Slicker. The "BB" is "RR" in the original English. >1947: Eaga Beewa (Iga Biva) Just a misspelling for Eega Beeva. The European editions of many "big white books" have misspelled Eega's English name for years, probably because it is so unusual... In the real English language comics the name is, and always has been Eega Beeva... On a totally different note, something from a few days ago: >I made a page about Donna Duck for you DCMailers, with a summary of all the >info that have been told about this character I've visited your page. Mostly I liked it very much, except that I see that you repeat the concept of Daisy and Donna being sisters, with Donna being the mother of April, May, and June. Giles (and everyone), I really wish we'd stop trying to make this urban legend fit into comics continuity. It just doesn't. According to the 1951 Karp and Taliaferro story in which Daisy and Donna appear as separate characters, the two girls don't know each other, grew up in different countries, and are clearly not relatives. Karp and Taliaferro clearly did not intend Daisy and Donna to be sisters. David Gerstein From sigvald at duckburg.dk Mon Oct 28 18:42:56 2002 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (sigvald@duckburg.dk) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 18:42:56 +0100 (CET) Subject: Urban myth? Message-ID: <200210281742.g9SHgur29529@backup.dht.dk> David Gerstein wrote: > I've visited your page. Mostly I liked it very much, except > that I see that you repeat the concept of Daisy and Donna > being sisters, with Donna being the mother of April, May, > and June. Giles (and everyone), I really wish we'd stop > trying to make this urban legend fit into comics continuity. > It just doesn't. According to the 1951 Karp and Taliaferro > story in which Daisy and Donna appear as separate characters, > the two girls don't know each other, grew up in different > countries, and are clearly not relatives. Karp and Taliaferro > clearly did not intend Daisy and Donna to be sisters. And So what? Taliaferro also says that Della (the mother of HD&L) is Donald's cousin, while we *know* that she is indeed Donald's sister. That's what makes HD&L Donald's nephews. That's pure logic. The children of your cousins are *not* your nieces or nephews (as long as your cousin is not married to one of your siblings). My conclusion is that when Taliaferro can be slightly wrong about Della he can be so about Donna's relations to Daisy as well. And remember that our friend Gilles sees Barks' (and Don Rosa's?) stories as Duckburg reality. In Taliaferros stories he sees the Ducks more like actors and in the story you mention April, May and Junes mother act as a Mexican. Another possibility is that there is two Donnas: 1) The one who appeared before Daisy in the 1930's (Daisy's look-alike). 2) The Mexican girl from the 1951-story. Sigvald :-) From frspreaf at tin.it Mon Oct 28 19:42:55 2002 From: frspreaf at tin.it (Francesco Spreafico) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 19:42:55 +0100 Subject: My Site about Romano Scarpa Message-ID: <005601c27eb1$d7725260$b1671e97@alyson> For those of you who can read Italian and are interested in Romano Scarpa, I've moved my old site to my new domain, so from now on you can find it here: http://www.dimensionedelta.net/scarpa/ There's a lot of new stuff in it too, interviews, articles, non disney stories and much more! Enjoy, Francesco From Goofy313g at aol.com Mon Oct 28 21:23:40 2002 From: Goofy313g at aol.com (Goofy313g@aol.com) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:23:40 EST Subject: Donna again?! (still better than viruses!) Message-ID: <7a.2f91358f.2aeef6cc@aol.com> David Gerstein wrote: >>> I've visited your page. Mostly I liked it very much, except that I see that you repeat the concept of Daisy and Donna> being sisters, with Donna being the mother of April, May, and June. I wanted to be as neutral as possible in this page, and i didn't want to show *my* opinion, but all the opinions tat have been evocated, and the possibility of Donna being Daisy's sister was an opinion often evocated, not only by fans, but by Disney creators (Don Rosa himself told it was a good idea!) Sigvald wrote: >>>Another possibility is that there is two Donnas: 1) The one who appeared before Daisy in the 1930's (Daisy's look-alike). 2) The Mexican girl from the 1951-story. I've already thought about this possibility, but as it had never been evocated before, i didn't put it in the page. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20021028/720f8679/attachment.html From lpj at forfatter.dk Mon Oct 28 21:56:31 2002 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 21:56:31 +0100 Subject: Urban myth? Message-ID: <004901c27ec4$d6feae60$81469dd9@idb3156> sigvald at duckburg.dk wrote: >> Karp and Taliaferro >> clearly did not intend Daisy and Donna to be sisters. > >And So what? Taliaferro also says that Della (the mother of HD&L) is >Donald's cousin, while we *know* that she is indeed Donald's sister. >That's what makes HD&L Donald's nephews. That's pure logic. The >children of your cousins are *not* your nieces or nephews (as long as >your cousin is not married to one of your siblings). My conclusion is >that when Taliaferro can be slightly wrong about Della he can be so >about Donna's relations to Daisy as well. "And so what"?!? We're talking about Al Taliaferro here, a man who worked on Donald Duck from the mid-30s onwards. A man who had strong ties to the Disney Studios. A man who co-defined the original Duck universe in the comics (along with Barks). To address your Della remark first: No, we don't "know" Della is Donald's sister. Taliaferro was the man who actually *created* Huey, Dewey and Louie - as well as Della, of course. If Taliaferro says Della is Donald's cousin, then I don't think anybody can argue that he is wrong. You may say it makes more sense to have Della be Donald's sister, but you certainly can't say Taliaferro is wrong. Regarding Donna and Daisy: Of course Taliaferro could be wrong when he stated they were not sisters. He didn't create any of those characters. But, as I mentioned, he had strong ties to the Studio. And I've yet to see anybody else with equally strong connections to the creators of Donna and Daisy step forward and (in a published comic story) claim these two characters are siblings. >And remember that our friend Gilles sees Barks' (and Don Rosa's?) >stories as Duckburg reality. In Taliaferros stories he sees the Ducks >more like actors and in the story you mention April, May and Junes >mother act as a Mexican. Taliaferro has his characters act like "actors"?!? Where exactly do you see evidence for this? Or is this Gilles' hypothesis? (Sorry, but that wasn't clear from your posting.) >Another possibility is that there is two Donnas: >1) The one who appeared before Daisy in the 1930's (Daisy's >look-alike). >2) The Mexican girl from the 1951-story. Two Donnas who look alike, both seem to be Mexicans and both have had a romance with Donald. Not very likely. If Taliaferro says Donna and Daisy are not related, then I'm inclined to believe him. Lars From sigvald at duckburg.dk Mon Oct 28 22:53:45 2002 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (sigvald@duckburg.dk) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 22:53:45 +0100 (CET) Subject: Some historical questions Message-ID: <200210282153.g9SLrjs82030@backup.dht.dk> Hi all! I have some historical question which I hope Don or someone else here can answer? 1) Both Carl Barks and Don Rosa show McDucks (Scots) who are sailing as officers together with Englishmen in the 16th century (Matey McDuck onboard "The Falcon" in 1564) and (Malcolm McDuck onboard "The Golden Hind" in 1579). However England and Scotland wasn't united before 1603. Does anyone of you know if it was normal that Scots sailed as officers onboard English ships before then? 2) In "His Majesty, McDuck" Don Rosa shows Cornelius Coot's memoirs in which is said about the US Western Coast: "In 1819 King Ferdinand gave up all a' Spain's land in these parts". However Encyclopaedia Britannica says that Mexico didn't become independent before 1821. How is this explained? Sigvald :-) From fernandopventura at uol.com.br Tue Oct 29 06:49:35 2002 From: fernandopventura at uol.com.br (Fernando Ventura) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 03:49:35 -0200 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Z=E9_Carioca_Sunday_Pages!?= Message-ID: <005501c27f0e$f74418a0$8aa0fea9@usuario> Hello there! I'm becoming a little crazy with my monography...! ;-) I've read that the main writer of the Z? Carioca strips was Bill Walsh, BUT the Inducks sad that al the strips (9 different stories) are wrote by Hubie Karp! Whos is he? So, the info about Bill Walsh was totally wrong?! And someone can tell me more biographic information about Bill Walsh and Hubie Karp? Fernando! From kyrimis at cti.gr Tue Oct 29 08:48:35 2002 From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 09:48:35 +0200 Subject: Urban myth? In-Reply-To: <200210281742.g9SHgur29529@backup.dht.dk> References: <200210281742.g9SHgur29529@backup.dht.dk> Message-ID: <200210290948.35260.kyrimis@cti.gr> SIGVALD: > The children of your > cousins are *not* your nieces or nephews (as long as your cousin is not > married to one of your siblings). This sounds a bit like the argument that Grandma Duck is not HD&L's grandmother: technically correct, but essentially wrong. I don't know whether there is a term for one's cousin's children in English (there is an obscure one in Greek, meaning "little nephew"), but I consider the children of my various cousings as my nephews, and the only reason that they don't call me "uncle" is that I've asked them to call me by name! Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr) (WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis) ----- "Time is the ultimate nonrenewable resource, and we are rapidly running out of it." ----- From arcade at kvinesdal.com Tue Oct 29 08:53:49 2002 From: arcade at kvinesdal.com (Rune Kristian Viken) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:53:49 +0100 Subject: I am about to be really fed up of the virus shit!!! (offtopic) In-Reply-To: <200210261545.g9QFjtV67789@backup.dht.dk> References: <200210261545.g9QFjtV67789@backup.dht.dk> Message-ID: <200210290853.49780.arcade@kvinesdal.com> Okay, I'll write a little explanatory message about computer viruses, how they work, and why it doesn't help to complain to mailing lists about them. Laurdag 26. oktober 2002 17:45 skreiv sigvald at duckburg.dk: > Almost everytime I open my mailbox there is 2-3 viruses with > D.U.C.K.hunter-names conected to them. So I am now about to be > really fed up of this virus shit!!! If this is not stopped soon I'll > consider leaving this group!!! First of all, it doesn't matter if viruses are sent to people, except for wasted bandwidth - that is, it should matter if: - You're running a virus scanner - You're reading email with a thypically non-vulnerable reader - You're reading email on a thypically non-vulnerable platform. Without too much bias, a thypically _vulnerable_ email-program is Microsoft Outlook. If you're running on that platform, please make sure to update your software at least weekly - and to always have an up-to-date virus scanner. If you're reading web-based email, you should be aware that the browser known as "Internet Explorer" thypically have several non-fixed vulnerabilities - and that more errors are discovered monthly. If you're using this browser, then always run the latest and greatest version - in addition to updating your antivirus-software daily. Of course, I've never seen a virus target a webbrowser as of yet - but that is only a matter of time. Furthermore. It won't help at all to leave the list. Your email address will still be available on the virus-infected computer, and you'll still receive viruses. Not only that, but you don't need to be on a mailinglist at all to receive viruses. Sigvald, are your email address available on any d.u.c.k-hunter webpage? Or any public dcml-archives, if suchones exist? If people with computers infected by "relatively smart" viruses visit those webpages - your email will be available for the virus - so that it may send you virus-infected email. Thus - leaving mailinglists won't affect the outcome - as long as your address is available via the web - if it is. > I say this because I believe that some of YOU can stop this ness if > you really wants to. I think that an expert like Soeren Krarup > Olesen should send a mail to whoever is the host of the infected > Greek in Korinth and ask them to end their services for that bas.... That would be a good solution. To end the service of the poor sod infected by the virus. Unfortunately it won't help on the general virus problem. As long as people continue to choose running unsafe software, without adequate protection - we'll have a virus problem in this world. Far too many people choose to use the 'default' software that accompanies their computers. This would be bad even if the software-makers in question made relatively secure software. The reason? Because if just a single serious vulnerability in that software were uncovered -- far too many would be potential victims. That is the problem with "software monoculture". Ideally people would _make sure_ to run something not too many others is running. If you're using Windows - excellent email-program alternatives include 'The Bat!' , 'Pegasus', 'Eudora', 'Netscape mail', 'Free Agent' (it tackles email as well as news), and surely lots of others. If you however run what 70% of the rest runs, i.e, Microsoft outlook/exchange, then you're part of a far to big monoculture, and taking unnecessary risk. Hope this email was both explanatory when it comes to basic computer security concepts such as monocultures, explanatory when it comes to why leaving mailinglists doesn't solve anything, and explanatory in what to do to make yourself a little more virus-resistant. -- Rune Kristian Viken From sigvald at duckburg.dk Tue Oct 29 10:39:10 2002 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (sigvald@duckburg.dk) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:39:10 +0100 (CET) Subject: Urban myth? Message-ID: <200210290939.g9T9dA037537@backup.dht.dk> Lars Jensen wrote: > "And so what"?!? We're talking about Al Taliaferro here, > a man who worked on Donald Duck from the mid-30s onwards. > A man who had strong ties to the Disney Studios. A man > who co-defined the original Duck universe in the comics > (along with Barks). Yes he *is* important, but can never be compared to "the great duckartist" - Carl Barks. > To address your Della remark first: No, we don't "know" > Della is Donald's sister. We can't ??? I'll give you a lot of evidence for it: 1) In his unpublished Duck Family Tree, Barks shows that HD&Ls mother *is* Donald's sister - that's thus a BARKSIAN FACT!!! Well, OK you can still argue that Barks' "Dumbella Duck" and Taliaferro's "Della" are two different characters and that Dumbella first placed her 3 sons with her cousin Della who later sent them to her cousin (Dumbella's brother Donald)... BUT, such an explanation would both be pointlessly confusing and definitely contradict information given in "Lo$ part XI" and in Don Rosa's "Donald Duck Family Tree" which is approved by Egmont as the official version of the family tree. > Taliaferro was the man who actually *created* Huey, Dewey > and Louie - as well as Della, of course. If Taliaferro says > Della is Donald's cousin, then I don't think anybody can > argue that he is wrong. OK, so you do agree that since Barks created Scrooge and says Scrooge is Donald's mother's brother everyone - including Marco Rota, who sees (or has seen) Scrooge and Grandma Duck as brother and sister is/was wrong? > You may say it makes more sense to have Della be Donald's > sister, but you certainly can't say Taliaferro is wrong. What I try to say is that I Barks the man to trust on that question. > If Taliaferro says Donna and Daisy are not related, > then I'm inclined to believe him. Per Starback and/or Harry Fluks has once stated that the Daisy character was developed from the Donna-character. If that's correct we do in reality speak about one character with two names. From that starting point it is possible to define them as two characters where the look alike explained by saying that they are sisters. And we do indeed know that Daisy has at least one sister with three daughters (April, May and June). So to do it as simple as possible, the sister (Donna) can be seen as the same sister known as AM&J's mother. Anyway characters can act very differently in various "universes". For instance HD&L who are wild kids in Taliaferro's universe and highly honored members of The Junior Woodchuck's in Barks' universe. So why can't the Mexican Donna in Taliaferro's universe be Daisy's sister in the Barks/Rosa universe? Sigvald :-) From sigvald at duckburg.dk Tue Oct 29 11:01:50 2002 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (sigvald@duckburg.dk) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:01:50 +0100 (CET) Subject: Nephews and nieces Message-ID: <200210291001.g9TA1of39881@backup.dht.dk> Hi all! SIGVALD: >> The children of your cousins are *not* your nieces or nephews >> (as long as your cousin is not married to one of your siblings). KRITON: > This sounds a bit like the argument that Grandma Duck is not > HD&L's grandmother: technically correct, but essentially wrong. > I don't know whether there is a term for one's cousin's children > in English (there is an obscure one in Greek, meaning "little > nephew"), In Norwegian there are the words "fillenevø" and "filleniese" which I quess can be used like that. > but I consider the children of my various cousins as my nephews, > and the only reason that they don't call me "uncle" is that I've > asked them to call me by name! Well, in Norwegian we will only adress uncles, grand uncles, etc. as "uncle". Just like HD&L adresses both Donald (=uncle) and Scrooge (=grand uncle) with uncle. And when it comes to Grandma Duck it's obvious that "grandma" is something everyone keeps calling her (even Gus, Daisy and Gyro). In that particular case a family-characteristica has become almost like a public name og tittle. Just like many English spoke about the late Queen-mother as "mother" (they used to sing "happy birthday to mother" *not* happy birthday to Elisabeth). Sigvald :-) From kyrimis at cti.gr Tue Oct 29 12:12:59 2002 From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 13:12:59 +0200 Subject: Nephews and nieces In-Reply-To: <200210291001.g9TA1of39881@backup.dht.dk> References: <200210291001.g9TA1of39881@backup.dht.dk> Message-ID: <200210291312.59585.kyrimis@cti.gr> SIGVALD: > Well, in Norwegian we will only adress uncles, grand uncles, etc. as > "uncle". Just like HD&L adresses both Donald (=uncle) and Scrooge (=grand > uncle) with uncle. This is not the case in Greece (where there is no word for what I am to my cousins' children, other than uncle), and apparently not in Duckburg, where HD&L call lots of distant relations (Scrooge, Gladstone, even Daisy!) uncle. Didn't we have a discussion on this subject a while ago, about "uncle" also being used as a term of affection? > And when it comes to Grandma Duck it's obvious that "grandma" is something > everyone keeps calling her (even Gus, Daisy and Gyro). My point, and I think Don's point in "A Little Something Special", or wherever it was that the scene between Grandma Duck and the JW official occurred, was that only a nit-picker would chastize HD&L for calling Grandma Duck their grandmother instead of their great-grandmother. Everyone might call her "grandmother", but HD&L are actually entitled to do so! (When I was little, I actually met one of my great-grandmothers. She was introduced to me as "grandmother Helen", and this is how I think of her to this day.) -- Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr) (WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis) ----- "Considering that the sum total of your intellects comes close to rivalling mine, I'm sure we can manage, mmm?" ----- From TKlein28 at aol.com Tue Oct 29 13:03:59 2002 From: TKlein28 at aol.com (TKlein28@aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 07:03:59 EST Subject: OT: Promethea translations Message-ID: <1aa.b19acd0.2aefd32f@aol.com> Sorry to be off-topic. Just wanted to let those of you know that issue 23 of Promethea is due out this week in the U.S., and the translations some of you helped me with, those I could use, are on pages 10 and 11. Unfortunately, the long list of translators I sent to the editor doesn't appear. The letters page, where they would have been, was omitted. I'm hoping to get the translator thanks into the collected edition of issues 19 to 24, due out next year. Sorry, and thanks again for your help. Todd Klein From kyrimis at cti.gr Tue Oct 29 13:56:51 2002 From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:56:51 +0200 Subject: Komix #173 Message-ID: <200210291456.51677.kyrimis@cti.gr> Here's what's in this month's issue of Komix: * Cover by Carl Barks. I have put a scan of the cover at http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis/pics/komix173.jpg * Two pages of letters. * A two-page article titled "Tricks and Treats", subtitled "dark fun by Carl Barks". * Carl Barks' "Trick or Treat" (WDD 26-02). * A two-page article titled "Three Most Intelligent Ducks", subtitled "Hewey, Dewey, Louie: Donald's nephews". * Luciano Bottaro's "La Fatucchiera" (J 236-A). * A two-page article titled "Mister Bottaro", subtitled "The Italian maestro of subversive humor". * A one-page ad masquerading as an article about action figures or some such. [Sigh!] * "Sneeze Machine" (WDC 273-05), drawn by Jack Bradbury and written by Don Christensen. Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr) (WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis) ----- "I often wish I could be as nice as me." ----- From kyrimis at cti.gr Tue Oct 29 13:58:18 2002 From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:58:18 +0200 Subject: Article from Komix #172 Message-ID: <200210291458.18107.kyrimis@cti.gr> Here's the translation of an article from last month's issue of Komix. [As usual, comments in square brackets are my own.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Rosa's First Steps Don Rosa presents _Nobody's Business_ With _Nobody's Business_ as a starting point, Don Rosa remembers his first steps in the world of the Ducks. _Son of the Sun_ was the first Duck story that I drew. _Nobody's Business_ was the second Duck story that I wrote, which I drew in 1987, but it is my first short, humorous story. Looking at the drawing, I get the feeling that it is even worse than the early drawing of the story _Son of the Sun_, perhaps because my favorite stories are the many-page epic adventures! However, at that time, I wasn't a professional artist. I never studied painting... I had worked with drawing as an amateur, when I was in high school and college. Since 1982, I had quit completely, and when I started writing Duck comics, it had been five years since I'd held a pen in my hand. As with every other job, drawing is not a "talent", it is a skill that one cultivates with long study and, mainly, with practice. And as I had never intended to practice the profession of an artist to make a living, I didn't practice drawing apart from the few hours that I used to dedicate to the college newspaper and some amateur comics magazines. STYLE AND LOVE FOR HIS WORK I didn't know how to draw any better.This was the reason my drawing has this subversive style, and not because I am imitating Robert Crumb, who had been trying to bring the aesthetics of the subversive comics in Disney stories, as some claim... I think that both my style and that of Robert Crumb are similar, only because we both grew up making comics for our personal enjoyment., without ever taking drawing seriously, and without ever trying to attain a style that would please the average comics publisher. We drew comics for fun! An artist who has studied his art, learns how to draw in the simplest possible manner, how to render an idea in just a few lines, those that are absolutely necessary, so that he can work as fast as he can, and to increase his income. To me, drawing had been a way of having fun in my spare time. Thus, the more time it took, the more spare time it filled... The more "useless and irritating details" I added in my drawings, the more fun I had. However, I will never be able to get rid of this childhood habit... Thus, I will keep having this overloaded style, an I will always spend additional time to finish a story, to the detriment of my income. What consoles me is that since I wrote those first Duck stories, drawing has become my main profession, and it is no longer a hobby. Therefore, because of my constant occupation, I think--or rather hope--that my style has improved significantly. As I look again at these old stories, I wonder what _Gladstone_ found in them and published them! There is something that Duck friends will not find hard to spot: Almost all duck poses in tis story have been copied from some old Barks drawing... During that time, I had been practicing intensely on drawing the heroes who, although I had always admired, I had never attempted to draw myself, until I suddenly and unexpectedly became a comics artist. ESPECIALLY DEDICATED Anyway. Regarding the plot of the story _Nobody's Business_, I don't think I have much to say... This is why I put up the smoke screen that you just read! It is a simple and direct short story with gags. The joke in the end may be lost on non-American readers, as tis story was written specifically for _Gladstone_ publishing. This house chose Gladstone's name for luck. In the end of the story, the lucky guy buys[?!?] the publishing house of the same name! [In the Greek edition, the Gladstone logo was replaced with the text _Gastone Publishing_, with "Gastone" being Gladstone's name in Greece. A better rendition would have been "Nea Aktina Publishing" (the publishers of Komix), or "Komix Magazine"!] I have prepared the reader for this last investment[?!?] of Gladstone by showing him reading comics throughout the story. All the comics that he is reading had been published in America by _Dell_ publishing during the 1950s, the time that my stories take place as well. Even the name of the company that Donald sets up is a joke addressed to Duck specialists... During the 1940s and 1950s, there was a company called _Donald Duck Soda_! [Caption, page 1, left] _Son of the Sun_ (_Komix_ #89) was the first Duck story that Don made. [Caption, page 1, right] From Don Rosa's first drawings, Robert Crumb's influence was already evident. [Caption, page 2] Two cans of the famous soft drink company _Donald Duck Soda_! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr) (WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis) ----- "There are only so many ways to change the appearance of metal designed to penetrate another person without imparing its efficiency." ----- From e_halinen at hotmail.com Tue Oct 29 15:34:11 2002 From: e_halinen at hotmail.com (Eero-Pekka Halinen) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:34:11 +0200 Subject: Viruses Message-ID: I haven't really been following your discussion of these recent viruses, partly because for some odd reason I stopped receiving messages from DCML. I had to go to put the disable off from my DCML references. Why did this happen? And therefore, I'm not getting any viruses. And if I'd get them, my Antivirus software would make them harmless. I don't know why people whine. Eero-Pekka _________________________________________________________________ Unlimited Internet access for only $21.95/month.  Try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp From komixgreekpage at yahoo.com Tue Oct 29 18:10:58 2002 From: komixgreekpage at yahoo.com (Apostolis Trikourakis) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 09:10:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: Quest for Kalevala in Greece Message-ID: <20021029171058.8564.qmail@web11401.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all Quest for Kalevala is coming out in Greece next month :-) Komix will publish the story in order to celebrate the 55 years of Scrooge, together with 2 other stories by Barks and Cavazzano, in a special 100-pages issue. The issue (# 174) will come out in November 22th (€3,25). Best Wishes ===== Apostolis Trikourakis, Athens, Greece E-mail: komixgreekpage at yahoo.com Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/komixgreekpage __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From H.W.Fluks at kpn.com Tue Oct 29 18:22:54 2002 From: H.W.Fluks at kpn.com (H.W.Fluks@kpn.com) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:22:54 +0100 Subject: Some historical questions Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E45220A5C12C8@l04.research.kpn.com> Sigvald: > 1) Both Carl Barks and Don Rosa show McDucks (Scots) who are > sailing as officers together with Englishmen in the 16th century > (Matey McDuck onboard "The Falcon" in 1564) and (Malcolm McDuck > onboard "The Golden Hind" in 1579). However England and Scotland > wasn't united before 1603. Does anyone of you know if it was > normal that Scots sailed as officers onboard English ships before > then? I think that's not unusual. The Dutch, for instance, had many "foreigners" in their army and fleet. One of them was an Englishman called Hudson, after whom the Hudson Bay and River were named. --Harry. From lpj at forfatter.dk Tue Oct 29 19:00:15 2002 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 19:00:15 +0100 Subject: Urban myth? Message-ID: <007b01c27f75$09d74800$9b469dd9@idb3156> sigvald at duckburg.dk wrote: > Yes [Taliaferro] *is* important, but can never be compared to "the > great duckartist" - Carl Barks. Why not? > > To address your Della remark first: No, we don't "know" Della > > is Donald's sister. > > We can't ??? I'll give you a lot of evidence for it: > > 1) In his unpublished Duck Family Tree, Barks shows that HD&Ls > mother *is* Donald's sister - that's thus a BARKSIAN FACT!!! A Barksian fact? To quote yourself: "And so what?" Let me repeat: Al Taliaferro *created* HDL and their mother Della. He stated quite clearly that Della was Donald's cousin. I'm not saying that was his best idea ever. I *am* saying, though, that when the creator of a character states something about that character, you can't just dismiss that as being wrong because it doesn't fit in with what somebody else (in this case Barks) says later on. When Barks (or somebody else) states something about a character he or she hasn't created, that statement doesn't necessarily have to be the Truth. And it certainly doesn't invalidate what the original creator said. And another thing: Unpublished material doesn't really count. I once had the (probably lousy) idea of having Mickey Mouse's dad be a criminal. The story was never even proposed to Egmont before I dropped it, and I never told anyone about it. I am, however, a Disney comics writer. Does that mean it is now an official fact that Mickey's dad *is* a criminal (because that idea has been invented by a Disney comics writer), or doesn't it? In my opinion it doesn't; anyway, not until that idea has actually been bought (and possibly published) by a Disney licensee as an in-continuity event. And even then the "fact" is only an opinion by one particular creator. > Well, OK you can still argue that Barks' "Dumbella Duck" and > Taliaferro's "Della" are two different characters and that Dumbella > first placed her 3 sons with her cousin Della who later sent them to > her cousin (Dumbella's brother Donald)... > > BUT, such an explanation would both be pointlessly confusing and > definitely contradict information given in "Lo$ part XI" and in Don > Rosa's "Donald Duck Family Tree" which is approved by Egmont as the > official version of the family tree. I'm not going to argue any such thing. In my opinion, Dumbella and Della *are* (probably) the same character. Which is why I am not going to dismiss Taliaferro - the creator of HDL and Della. Oh, and that Family Tree is *not* necessarily the only official one. It is, as Don Rosa himself has stated many times, only *Don Rosa's* version of the tree. > > Taliaferro was the man who actually *created* Huey, Dewey > > and Louie - as well as Della, of course. If Taliaferro says Della > > is Donald's cousin, then I don't think anybody can argue that he > > is wrong. > > OK, so you do agree that since Barks created Scrooge and says Scrooge > is Donald's mother's brother everyone - including Marco Rota - who see > (or has seen) Scrooge and Grandma Duck as brother and sister is/was > wrong? In which published comic story did Barks or Taliaferro establish that Grandma is not Scrooge's sister? But seriously... Let me make my point clear: I'm not saying *anybody* is wrong. There are no hard facts here, Sigvald. It's all one creator's take on the characters, which may or may not differ from another creator's take on those same characters. The only thing I'm saying is that the creator of a character or a concept shouldn't be dismissed off-hand, when another, more popular, person says something different. > > You may say it makes more sense to have Della be Donald's > > sister, but you certainly can't say Taliaferro is wrong. > > What I try to say is that I Barks the man to trust on that question. Why? > > If Taliaferro says Donna and Daisy are not related, > > then I'm inclined to believe him. > > Per Starback and/or Harry Fluks has once stated that the Daisy > character was developed from the Donna-character. If that's > correct we do in reality speak about one character with two > names. From that starting point it is possible to define them > as two characters where the look alike explained by saying that > they are sisters. And we do indeed know that Daisy has at least > one sister with three daughters (April, May and June). So to do > it as simple as possible, the sister (Donna) can be seen as the > same sister known as AM&J's mother. By using pretty much that same logic, I could make Gus Goose the brother of Gyro Gearloose. Barks' original 1937 physical design for Gus, after being rejected for use as a design for Gus, was later revised into the design for Gyro. And it simplifies their relationship tremendously if they're siblings. And since Gus has a nephew (Taliaferro's Socrates M. Gosling), Sock must be the son of Gyro, and Gyro's nephew Newton must be the son of Gus. I don't think so. In order for your theory to work, the all-American Daisy would have to have a Mexican sister. So why don't AMJ ever refer to their Mexican origin? You've suggested we could get around this by saying that the "real" Donna isn't Mexican, but merely acted Mexican in cartoons and some comics. In this case, you are rejecting everything distinctive about the character in an effort to make your theory about her work. Either Donna and Daisy are the same character or not. If they're not the same character, then they're in all likelihood not related. And I see no reason why they should be. Especially when a renowned duck man like Taliaferro says they're not. And especially when it breaks the laws of probability to have them be sisters. > Anyway characters can act very differently in various "universes". > For instance HD&L who are wild kids in Taliaferro's universe and > highly honored members of The Junior Woodchuck's in Barks' universe. > So why can't the Mexican Donna in Taliaferro's universe be Daisy's > sister in the Barks/Rosa universe? One last comment: Donald, HDL, Daisy, Bolivar/Bornworthy, Grandma, Gus, Scrooge, Donald's car (and arguably Ludwig Von Drake and Neighbor Jones) all have appeared in Barks' as well as Taliaferro's stories. And although the characterization may have varied slightly, it was still clear they were the same characters with pretty much the same interrelationship. To me (and probably most other readers of the Donald Duck weekly), the Taliaferro universe and the Barks universe are the *same* universe. The mother of AMJ (and sister of Daisy) that Barks mentioned is clearly *not* the same character as Taliaferro's Mexican Donna, who never met Daisy until 1951. Are you willing to claim Taliaferro's universe is not the same as Barks', based solely on the fact that you want Donna to be the sister of Daisy? Lars From xephyr at cwnet.com Tue Oct 29 19:17:20 2002 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (xephyr@cwnet.com) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 13:17:20 -0500 Subject: Disney Family Trees Message-ID: <410-2200210229181720158@M2W028.mail2web.com> Concerning the topic of Family Trees in the Disney universes, I think the only hard and fast rule is that there is no hard and fast rule. The various Creators have given their input on what THEY perceive as the Family Tree as related to a given character (the most common being that belonging to Donald Duck), but even among the Creators there is disagreement or contradiction. There is even a schism between Carl Barks and Don Rosa, and between Rosa and Egmont, as I recall previous discussions and Mr. Rosa's own remarks in print (such as his desire to include Ludwig von Drake and exclude Fethry Duck). Then there are the Family Trees that some accept and others reject, such as Romano Scarpa's inclusion of Scrooge's "brother" Gideon, Donald's cousin Kildare (Sgrizzo) Coot and even Dickie (Paperetta Ye-Ye) Duck. There's also other Duck relations like Aunt Eider who somehow brings together the families of Scrooge McDuck & John D. Rockerduck. Then there's the vague way Van Horn seems to add Magica DeSpell and Flinthart Glomgold into the Tree as well. Personally, I find it comforting to know that in most cases, at least everyone being included in these Trees are within the same species groups (Ducks & Geese), but when Barks or Van Horn throws in Gyro (a "Chicken") I get confused. LOL! :-) Something just doesn't seem "right" about that. As for characters evolving from a one level of relation to another, we've seen many instances of that. For instance, the most commonly discussed is how HD&L went from being Donald's cousin's children to Donald's sister's children. There's also the case where, as originally presented, Mickey's own Nephews were apparently not even his relations at the beginning, but rather the children of a woman named Mrs. Fieldmouse, but as the story progressed, they adhered to the title "Nephews" and Mrs. Fieldmouse was lost to obscurity. In time we came to understand the boys' last name is still "Fieldmouse," but this is the name attributed to Mickey's "sister" (called "Amelia Fieldmouse" in Italy). Even in a recent book approved by Disney, which I presented here to the list, the author created a weird relationship between some of the characters we know [ http://goofy313g.free.fr/calisota_online/trees/lbbdtree.html ] even including "Mother Goose" into the Family! Even the great Disney Archivist Dave Smith doesn't know everything, as he has presented only part of the story of Minnie's Nieces among some of his so-called "Facts" [ Dave says, "Minnie Mouse has two nieces, Melody and Millicent, who appeared in a few comic book stories." The truth is that there appears to be only ONE instance where they are called Melody & Millicent, but their names changed to Pammy & Tammy, and possibly others in different stories, and according to David Gerstein, only Egmont has decided on one set of "official" names; that being "Millie & Tillie." Meanwhile, the singular Niece, "Melody" has been used in a large number of comics. Not to forget that, in Italy, Minnie has two entirely different "older" Nieces named Tiny & Lily]. I guess what I'm saying is that a lot of this stuff is, at best, speculative, and, at least for now, there is no single Family Tree that best represents all of what has been written and illustrated about these beloved characters. But, I still don't see any harm in speculating and discussing the various relationships in the meantime. Thanks, Rich Bellacera xephyr at cwnet.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From sigvald at duckburg.dk Tue Oct 29 19:39:32 2002 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (sigvald@duckburg.dk) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 19:39:32 +0100 (CET) Subject: Some historical questions Message-ID: <200210291839.g9TIdWc55372@backup.dht.dk> H.W.Fluks at kpn.com wrote: > I think that's not unusual. The Dutch, for instance, had > many "foreigners" in their army and fleet. One of them was > an Englishman called Hudson, after whom the Hudson Bay and > River were named. Another one was Nils Olesen from Stavanger (where I live). You would know him as admiral Cornelius Cruys... BUT, that was in the Netherlands. Was the situation the same on the other side of the channel? Sigvald :-) From sigvald at duckburg.dk Tue Oct 29 20:13:02 2002 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (sigvald@duckburg.dk) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:13:02 +0100 (CET) Subject: Donna = Daisy (at least in HooZoo) Message-ID: <200210291913.g9TJD2W64098@backup.dht.dk> Hi all! In Rich Bellacera's famous HooZoo pages can read about Daisy here: http://users.cwnet.com/xephyr/rich/dzone/hoozoo/daisy.html This page says this about Daisy: KNOWN ALIASES: Donna Duck Can you please enlighten us more about this Rick? Sigvald :-) From sigvald at duckburg.dk Tue Oct 29 20:23:11 2002 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (sigvald@duckburg.dk) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:23:11 +0100 (CET) Subject: The value of unpublished material Message-ID: <200210291923.g9TJNB868060@backup.dht.dk> Hi all! I just read that unpublished Disney comics material should not be regarded as valuable as the published material as a reference for facts. As an historian I disagree with that point of view. What matters is how a creator see something, not wether that view is published. As long as Barks did confirm that his unpublished tree is how he saw the relations between the Ducks, that are IMO facts as good as any other published Barksian facts. Sigvald :-) From DGE at ECN.egmont.com Tue Oct 29 20:26:19 2002 From: DGE at ECN.egmont.com (DGE@ECN.egmont.com) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:26:19 +0100 Subject: RICH: Disney Family Trees Message-ID: <9160C3BDF7D0CB43A73E11CCF133D21DAADCE1@cphegtd1-xch01.egt.egmont.com> Hey Rich! >There's also the case where, as originally presented, Mickey's >own Nephews were apparently not even his relations at the beginning, but >rather the children of a woman named Mrs. Fieldmouse, but as the story >progressed, they adhered to the title "Nephews" and Mrs. Fieldmouse was >lost to obscurity. In time we came to understand the boys' last name is >still "Fieldmouse," but this is the name attributed to Mickey's "sister" >(called "Amelia Fieldmouse" in Italy). Actually, it happened *faster* than you suggest: When Morty and Ferdie first appear in Sept. 1932, they talk about "Unca Mickey", but Mickey calls their mom "Mrs. Fieldmouse", which- true, isn't the way you'd think he'd address a relative. It was only a few *weeks* later that the blood relationship was retroactively made clear, with Mickey officially introducing Morty and Ferdie to Minnie as his nephews. As for Mrs. Fieldmouse, she wasn't lost to obscurity. She returned to pick the nephews up after their first visit to Mickey in 1932; a 1939 story mentioned her again; and at Egmont we frequently show her today. In Egmont continuity, the kids live with her when they're not with Mickey. And yes, in our continuity she is Mickey's sister. She has to be, if the kids are to be real nephews. The name Amalia (note spelling; I used to be wrong about this, too) is actually her Dutch name, not her Italian one. In Egmont stories, she has the English first name of Felicity. As for Minnie's nieces, >The truth is that there appears to be only ONE >instance where [Minnie's nieces] are called Melody & Millicent, >but their names changed to Pammy & Tammy Actually, to the best of my knowledge, there's one story where they're called Melody and Millicent, and one story where they're Pammy and Tammy. The names didn't formally change from one to the other. More like two stories were written, one without knowledge of the other. >according >to David Gerstein, only Egmont has decided on one set of "official" names; >that being "Millie & Tillie." Those names are actually the Danish names, which I discovered were used verbatim on an old Egmont character list, and which were never used anywhere in English. So they're no longer official. Since 1999, the official reference names we use at Egmont are Millie and Melody. The beauty of those names, BTW, is that they allow us to be consistent all the time. When there are two, it's Millie and Melody, and when the girl is singular, it's Melody. Clarifyingly, David From Goofy313g at aol.com Tue Oct 29 21:36:52 2002 From: Goofy313g at aol.com (Goofy313g@aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:36:52 EST Subject: Mickey's dad, a criminal (about unpublished material) Message-ID: I think the idea of Mickey's father being a criminal is a good one, as several of his ancestors have been (Tony Toponi, Rattinger,...). But maybe this detail should stay hidden, and not used in a story... This would explain why we never meet him, wereas we met Minnie's parents. Mickey probably doesn't speak to him anymore... About the unpublished material, i like to consider it as a fact, only when it doesn't go against the final story (for instance, in Don Rosa's sketches, Grandma is with Scrooge at the gold rush, and i don't consider this detail as a fact, as in the final Lo$, he meets her in Duckburg, but there is nothing against saying that Potcrack McDuck, an ancestor of scrooge from Don's sketches, existed, so i consider he existed...). I think you can use unpublished sketches and ideas to *complete* final stories. But if you consider all disney stories ever published as one universe, you already can't consider some facts as true facts (for instance, you'll have to make a choice between considering that Scrooge is Grandma's brother or his son's brother-in-law, in how many different stories do the heroes discover the Horse of Troyes, for instance, or Atlantis? you'll have to chose one story among dozens of stories... )You already hardly manage to tie all this stories together, to find explanations, ... So including unpublised materials won't be the best solution, of course... So I only use to consider the *masters*'s unpublished ideas, when it's possible... Gilles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20021029/a5c1dfed/attachment.html From xephyr at cwnet.com Tue Oct 29 21:41:03 2002 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (xephyr@cwnet.com) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:41:03 -0500 Subject: Of Ducks & Mice Message-ID: <119420-22002102292041329@M2W084.mail2web.com> Sigvald said: >In Rich Bellacera's famous HooZoo pages can read about Daisy here: > http://users.cwnet.com/xephyr/rich/dzone/hoozoo/daisy.html > > This page says this about Daisy: > "KNOWN ALIASES: Donna Duck" > >Can you please enlighten us more about this Rick? Sure. As of the discussion I started recently about "Donna & Mac" the entries in the HOOZOO for Daisy AND Donald will certainly need to be updated to reflect the new information we all learned. It is being reworked to reflect that, still, Donna Duck is an alias of Daisy's, and that, at least as far as the "animated" Daisy Duck is concerned, she still evolved from the Donna Duck character appearing in "Don Donald." The official Disney sources claim that the "animated" Daisy Duck was originally called "Donna Duck", and some sources even claim that the name "Donna" was a "role" that Daisy played for the film. However, for "comics," Donna and Daisy are two distinctly different characters. I will reference the Taliaferro comics, and the actual first meeting between the American Daisy and the Mexican Donna, and the brief role Donna played as Donald's co-star in his early comics. However, her supposed role as Daisy's genetic sister and the mother of April, May and June is soley a matter of idle speculation among us Disney fans and, until there is some Disney publication which at least furthers this concept, I see no reason to account for or discount it in the HooZoo at this time. AND.... Not to contradict "The Maestro" :-) (David Gerstein) , since I do respect what you say and have said in the past, but... David Gerstein wrote: > Actually, it happened *faster* than you suggest: I agree with the timing. As I said, "as the story progressed..." I meant indeed that the story itself revealed that they were indeed Mickey's genetic nephews, but I was referring to the fact that, in the beginning (of the story) there was no genetic connection inferred. > As for Mrs. Fieldmouse, she wasn't lost to obscurity. She returned to pick the nephews up after their first visit to Mickey in 1932; I agree with this too... the "obscurity" comment was meant in the sense that she doesn't reappear in any future stories (to my knowledge...), but then you write.... > a 1939 story mentioned her again; I didn't know that... thanks. :-) > and at Egmont we frequently show her today. > In Egmont continuity, the kids live with her when they're not with > Mickey. And yes, in our continuity she is Mickey's sister. She has > to be, if the kids are to be real nephews. That makes perfect sense... just as Daisy's neices live with her sister, their mother, when they are not visiting Daisy. > The name Amalia (note spelling; I used to be wrong about this, too) > is actually her Dutch name, not her Italian one. In Egmont stories, > she has the English first name of Felicity. So the name is "Felicity Fieldmouse" then, eh? Thanks. ;-) Has a "Mr. Fieldmouse" ever appeared or any mention of his whereabouts? As for Minnie's nieces, > Actually, to the best of my knowledge, there's one story where > they're called Melody and Millicent, and one story where they're > Pammy and Tammy. The names didn't formally change from one to the > other. More like two stories were written, one without knowledge > of the other. Both stories "The Late, Late Show" October, 1962 http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?W+01518+A-06 "Mickey's Close Call" July, 1963 http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?W+MM+88-05 which I found while scouring my collection looking for possible Twin nieces for Minnie several years ago, were drawn by Paul Murry, who, at least artistically, insinuated that they were the same nieces. The writer for both stories, who is unknown, either did not know of the other story, or did not care. Melody, by herself, was created by Jim Fletcher for the Studio as I understand it, and was used much more frequently in comics published for European and South American audiences. Fortunately, I have many of those Melody stories, even though she is sadly a very disliked character among the DCMLers. I just think she's very misunderstood ;-). About "Millie & Tillie." > Those names are actually the Danish names, which I discovered > were used verbatim on an old Egmont character list, and which > were never used anywhere in English. Interesting. Thanks. > So they're no longer official. Since 1999, the official reference > names we use at Egmont are Millie and Melody. > The beauty of those names, BTW, is that they allow us to be > consistent all the time. When there are two, it's Millie and > Melody, and when the girl is singular, it's Melody. Which was my own contention and speculation too, way back when we were first discussing the relationships of the singular "Melody" and the Twins "Melody & Millicent" on the DCML several years ago. I'm glad to see that at least Egmont concurs. Did Egmont make this change to model Dave Smith's "Archive" or was it decided independently? Thanks for clearing that all up, David. Of course, this all began when I questioned the DCML, back in the beginning of the List (1992???) about the reference to Minnie's Niece as "Molly." I was glad to help see the change in at least that one reference, and to learn so much about Minnie's relations. Thanks, Rich Bellacera xephyr at cwnet.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From ramapith at mail.dk Tue Oct 29 22:31:50 2002 From: ramapith at mail.dk (David Gerstein) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 22:31:50 +0100 Subject: Of Ducks & Mice Message-ID: Hey Rich? >Not to contradict "The Maestro" :-) (David Gerstein) Yoicks! First of all, I'm no Maestro, and I apologize if I sounded snooty. That ain't all I've got to apologize for, either... >> Actually, it happened *faster* than you suggest: > >I agree with the timing. As I said, "as the story progressed..." Aargh! So you *were* actually talking about that one 1932 story all along! And I misunderstood you... (I took "as the story progressed" to mean "as Disney comics history progressed"). Sorry about the flub. >So the name is "Felicity Fieldmouse" then, eh? Thanks. ;-) Has a "Mr. >Fieldmouse" ever appeared or any mention of his whereabouts? The Egmont writer's guide on the Fieldmouse family, created by Lars Bergstr?m and Paul Halas, calls Felicity's husband Frank Fieldmouse. The character hasn't been in a story yet, though, or even mentioned in one, so I wouldn't call it canon. >Fortunately, I have many of those Melody stories, even though she is sadly >a very disliked character among the DCMLers. I just think she's very >misunderstood ;-). Hey, I like Melody as a character, and the annoying way she bedevils Morty and Ferdie? I just don't personally like the art of most stories she's in. BTW, do you have any Melody stories in English? >Did Egmont make this change to model Dave Smith's "Archive" or was it decided >independently? Independently. Till soon, David From xephyr at cwnet.com Tue Oct 29 23:16:23 2002 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (xephyr@cwnet.com) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:16:23 -0500 Subject: Of Ducks & Mice Message-ID: <265000-2200210229221623248@M2W042.mail2web.com> David- > Yoicks! First of all, I'm no Maestro, and I apologize if I > sounded snooty. That ain't all I've got to apologize for, > either... Oh, I don't take you as being "snooty." :-) I just respect your opinion and your great knowlegde/research in Disney comics! Hence the term "Maestro." :-) > Sorry about the flub. No worries. I just wanted to assure you that we were on the "same page" with that information. > The Egmont writer's guide on the Fieldmouse family, created by > Lars Bergstr?m and Paul Halas, calls Felicity's husband Frank > Fieldmouse. The character hasn't been in a story yet, though, > or even mentioned in one, so I wouldn't call it canon. Frank & Felicity Fieldmouse! As dumb assome might think it to be, I really do love the use of alliteration for Disney characters. :-) > Hey, I like Melody as a character, and the annoying way she > bedevils Morty and Ferdie. Cool. I wasn't sure where you stood with her, but I recall some discussion about how much some among us dislike her. She's one of the few characters who can play off of Morty & Ferdie well. The obvious other being Pluto. M&F have so few supporting characters. > I just don't personally like the art of most stories she's in. Oh, I see. Yah, Jim Fletcher's art is kind of childish and simple. I'm not a big fan either, but I do like those little curls that he gave Melody which gives her some personal distinction. While Morty & Ferdie, aside from their caps, look basically like mini versions of Mickey, and Minnie's Twins were drawn by Paul Murray as mini versions of Minnie.... i.e., no real distinctive characteristics. I also have a special fondness for comics which feature the "kids" of the adult characters (whether they be actual children or just relations of). That's why I liked some of the older shared comics on the List which featured large groupings of them (such as the one with Von Drake explaining the "History of Computers," or the "Kids Club," both of which featured Melody, Morty, Ferdie, Newton, Gilbert, Heuy, Dewey & Louie!) I also noticed that Maria's (Rosinha) niece, Gabby, seems to play the same role as Melody does to Carioca's Nephews (which makes sense since Zico & Zeca were basically modelled on Morty & Ferdie). > BTW, do you have any Melody stories in English? I may have one, but I can recall which at the moment. I'll see if I can find it. Otherwise, all of them are either in Italian or Portaguese (Brazil), and maybe one in Danish? I even have one story from an issue of Almanacco Topolino where Minnie is portrayed as a Scout Mistress for a troop of little mice girls all looking like Melody. BTW, in a previous comment, I think from Melody's entry on the DCML Character List, you said that Egmont published only a few stories with Minnie's twin nieces (then called "Millie & Tillie"). Can you tell me if these were "new" stories, or just reprints of "The Late, Late Show" & "Mickey's Close Call" with their names changed? I'm just curious if Minnie's Nieces (Melody & Millie) can be attributed to any other stories aside from those two? I THINK I recall another American published story where the Twins appear with Mickey, but they were not named, and I don't think I mentioned it, or maybe I didn't refer to it, in the past as it didn't further the discussion about their names. So, I *think* there were at least THREE published stories in the USA featuring Minnie's "nieces." Sadly, all three did not help collaborate their naming. Thanks again, Rich Bellacera xephyr at cwnet.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From xephyr at cwnet.com Wed Oct 30 00:12:25 2002 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (xephyr@cwnet.com) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:12:25 -0500 Subject: Disney Family Trees Message-ID: <265000-2200210229231225245@M2W067.mail2web.com> I just had a silly thought while re-reading my previous posting: > Personally, I find it comforting to know that in most cases, > at least everyone being included in these Trees are within > the same species groups (Ducks & Geese), but when Barks or > Van Horn throws in Gyro (a "Chicken") I get confused. LOL! :-) > Something just doesn't seem "right" about that. Throwing Gyro into the Family Tree brings a whole new meaning to the phrase, "A chicken in every pot." LOL! :-) *sigh* I'm probably the only one who finds that funny. -Rich xephyr at cwnet.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From SRoweCanoe at aol.com Wed Oct 30 00:56:19 2002 From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe@aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:56:19 EST Subject: David Gerstein's posts and AOL Message-ID: <72.2518bc0c.2af07a23@aol.com> just wondering why i dont recieve David Gerstein's dcml postings --- is everybody on aol not getting them or just me? steven rowe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20021030/c8a53a5d/attachment.html From fernandopventura at uol.com.br Wed Oct 30 06:52:56 2002 From: fernandopventura at uol.com.br (Fernando Ventura) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 03:52:56 -0200 Subject: Rosinha's niece! Message-ID: <000a01c27fd8$98becda0$8aa0fea9@usuario> Rich: >I also noticed that Maria's (Rosinha) niece, Gabby, seems to play the >same role as Melody does to Carioca's Nephews (which makes sense >since Zico & Zeca were basically modelled on Morty & Ferdie). Good point, Rich! It's interisting to say that she's created by Primaggio Mantovi...maybe Arthur can answer this better, but I think the code of her first story was from 1993, but it's only published in 1999 (I'm with few time to check it, I need to sleeeeeeepy)! Hum...I know I like and HAVE strange art, but I really like Jim Fletcher's draw! :-) No answers about my Sunday Strip's Z? Carioca question? Oh, please!!! I need more accurate information for an (not so) future article! See you my friends! Fernandozzzzzzzzzz...RONC! From Ola.Martinsson at uab.ericsson.se Wed Oct 30 14:13:18 2002 From: Ola.Martinsson at uab.ericsson.se (Ola Martinsson) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:13:18 +0100 Subject: Thanks for DD dailies ! and the Mickey Quiz answer References: <200210261002.g9QA2A325298@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <3DBFDAEE.3F3EE835@uab.ericsson.se> Thank you very much to those who answered my query for Norwegian Donald Duck dailies. And there don't seem to be any interest in the quiz but anyway here is the answer all the same, The ruby eye of Homar-guy-am. A quite enyoable story me thinks. Ola in cloudy Stockholm +5 From arthurfaria at projesom.com.br Thu Oct 31 04:56:41 2002 From: arthurfaria at projesom.com.br (Arthur Faria Jr.) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 01:56:41 -0200 Subject: Rich, Fernando: RE: Rosinha's niece! Message-ID: <000e01c28096$1f6eccc0$46a5d6c8@arthur> Rich wrote: >>I also noticed that Maria's (Rosinha) niece, Gabby, seems to play the >>same role as Melody does to Carioca's Nephews (which makes sense >>since Zico & Zeca were basically modelled on Morty & Ferdie). And Fernando replied: > Good point, Rich! It's interisting to say that she's created by Primaggio > Mantovi...maybe Arthur can answer this better, but I think the code of her > first story was from 1993, but it's only published in 1999 All Brazilian stories where Gabi appears were published in 1996, 1997 and 2000, *except* one that is from 1992. But as far as I know, this one is an old unused non-Disney script created by Abril Jovem studio (when they used to produce even non-Disney scripts) which was adapted later to become a Joe Carioca story. So, the first Gabi's story is in fact B 960233 "Boca Livre", where Rosinha introduces Carioca to her newly-arrived niece (and then Joe has to wear a silly Easter rabbit costume just to amuse the spoiled girl). And, Rich: There are 10 stories with Gabi, but only two of them feature Gabi annoying Zico and Zeca (Carioca's nephews) in a way somewhat similar to Melody with Mickey's nephews. Gabi usually annoys Carioca himself every time he tries to go out with Rosinha (and Rosinha's father, Rocha Vaz, really enjoys that! ;-) -- Arthur. From xephyr at cwnet.com Thu Oct 31 20:59:33 2002 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (xephyr@cwnet.com) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:59:33 -0500 Subject: Rosinha's niece! Message-ID: <184670-2200210431195933562@M2W047.mail2web.com> Arthur Faria Jr. said: > All Brazilian stories where Gabi appears were published in 1996, > 1997 and 2000, *except* one that is from 1992. But as far as I > know, this one is an old unused non-Disney script created by > Abril Jovem studio (when they used to produce even non-Disney > scripts) which was adapted later to become a Joe Carioca story. Interesting. So Gabi was created for the Carioca Universe in order to adapt this unused non-Disney script? Now she is a regular. Thanks for that insight. > So, the first Gabi's story is in fact B 960233 "Boca Livre", > where Rosinha introduces Carioca to her newly-arrived niece > (and then Joe has to wear a silly Easter rabbit costume just > to amuse the spoiled girl). I have this comic! :-) I didn't know that was her first appearance. > There are 10 stories with Gabi, but only two of them > feature Gabi annoying Zico and Zeca (Carioca's nephews) in > a way somewhat similar to Melody with Mickey's nephews. Hmmm. Now I wonder if Gabi has a "twin" (like Melody & Millie), too? Of course, her twin's name would have to be Xena. Just kidding. LOL! :-) > Gabi usually annoys Carioca himself every time he tries to > go out with Rosinha (and Rosinha's father, Rocha Vaz, really > enjoys that! ;-) Then, do you think *that* is her primary role in the Carioca Universe? Poor Jose. He has such a laundry list of bad things that are just waiting for him when he awakes each day. :-) Thanks, Rich Bellacera xephyr at cwnet.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .