From xephyr at cwnet.com Tue Jul 1 07:22:45 2003 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (xephyr@cwnet.com) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 22:22:45 -0700 Subject: Moby Duck, Mad Madam Mim and others Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030701/ceda554a/attachment.html From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Tue Jul 1 10:11:37 2003 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 10:11:37 +0200 Subject: 1st US Donald Duck comic book Message-ID: <0DD8055E0FECF744B5FF8053F80C4A2DE759BE@l07.oase.research.kpn.com> Tom: > "DONALD DUCK (Walt Disney's) (10 cents) > "Whitman/K.K. Publications 1938 (6-1/2x11-1/2", B&W, cardboard-c) > "(Has D. Duck with bubble pipe on-c) > "nn-The first Donald Duck & Walt Disney comic book; 1936 & 1937 Sunday > strip-r (in B&W); same format as the Feature Books; 1st > strips with Huey, Dewey & Louie from 10/17/37" > I don't think this comic is in I.N.D.U.C.K.S. (at least I > couldn't find it). I couldn't find it either. 8-) > I've got a copy of this comic book and would be happy to index it for > I.N.D.U.C.K.S. You're very invited to do so! > but I've got questions on how to identify the reprinted > stories to the date (and more importantly the story codes) of > the original Sunday comic strips. The first thing that would help is a good description of the gag, plus a list of who appears in it. We have a quite complete list of descriptions of the Sunday strips from before 1938, so finding the right dates for the reprints should not be too difficult. > Also I need to know how to handle the "modification" > of the stories (as many panels were clearly added to, and possibly had > dialog added). Usually "minor" changes like this are noted in a plain comment. > Maybe Harry can help me? Sure! I can send you a list of candidate Sunday strips, if you want (contact me in private mail about this). And don't worry about the exact lay-out of your index: I'll change whatever is necessary to fit it in Inducks. --Harry. From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Tue Jul 1 10:11:47 2003 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 10:11:47 +0200 Subject: Riddle of the red hat Message-ID: <0DD8055E0FECF744B5FF8053F80C4A2DE759BD@l07.oase.research.kpn.com> Olaf: > Who wrote "Riddle of the Red Hat" (W OS 79)? > > According to Carl Barks Library, this story was "written and > drawn by Carl Barks". Also, Michael Barrier does not say "Barks art only" in his bibliography. I think we got the "Eleanor Packer?" credit from Alberto Becattini (but I haven't checked). --Harry. (Trying to catch up with his DCML mail) From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Tue Jul 1 10:15:05 2003 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 10:15:05 +0200 Subject: Missing Duck stories in CBLiC ? Message-ID: <0DD8055E0FECF744B5FF8053F80C4A2D011931C9@l07.oase.research.kpn.com> Mads: > I've read a couple of places, that the stories with Grandma > Duck and Daisy > Duck (Daisy's Dairy) were left out of the CBLiC. > Initially, I figured it might have something to do that Barks > did not write > those stories himself, and therefore they were not considered > worthy enough > to include. And the fact that they were under pressure might > have caused the > exclusion of these stories ?! So, does anybody have something > to contribute on this matter ? I think two things may be involved here: 1. Gladstone needed a separate OK from Disney to print albums under a different title. Just like they at first weren't allowed to print "Uncle Scrooge" albums (they got a separate licence for that later on). 2. Albums with Grandma Duck and Daisy Duck stories only would not sell as well as Donald or Scrooge (or even Gyro). > Would it be possible to get Gemstone to complete what was the original > CBLiC, or is their only plan on the CBL matter to reprint the > original B/W series ? Correct: I read in an interview that Geppi has no plans to print "graphic novels" at all. --Harry. From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Tue Jul 1 10:26:46 2003 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 10:26:46 +0200 Subject: Q[u]estion [a]bout Back To The Klo[n]dike Message-ID: <0DD8055E0FECF744B5FF8053F80C4A2D011931CA@l07.oase.research.kpn.com> Maciek de Spell: > Acording to wat I read in the Internet the orginal Carl Barks > "Back to the > Klondike" was 27 page long witch cut aut Flash back part of the story. > I don't have old version of the story but the version I have > is 30 page long and It have "Flash Back". Strange. As Katie described, the flashback scene is 4 pages and then there are 2 more half pages missing in the original print. AFAIK, we wave the following versions of this story: 32-page original as Barks drew it (1/2 page is lost forever) 27-page first printed version 31-page version, this is the 27-page version with 4 pages flashback re-inserted. This version was used in Holland in 1978. 32-page restored version: 27 pages + 4-page flashback + the other 1/2-page that survived, plus a 1/2-page "reconstruction", newly pencilled by Barks. This version was in the book "Uncle Scrooge His Life and Times" in 1981. 32-page restored version: same as previous, but the half page new pencils were inked by Daan Jippes. This version has been used by Gladstone ever since. And also in Holland and other countries. So it's a mystery to me why the Polish (?) editor used the 4 pages flashback, but removed some pages elsewhere. Katie commented: > Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think those four > panels were just taken out to make room for advertising or for > some other layout reason. There obviously wasn't anything to > censor in there. I think the 4 pages were removed because thet needed a full number of pages (they wouldn't like to print a story with 27 1/2 pages). BTW, the "reconstruction" is definitely *not* like what has been in the original. Judging from the page layout (the space between the panels), there was at least 1 panel removed between panel 1 and 2, or before panel 1 of that page. And also after panel 7 or 8. So the original *might* have had one more panel showing the flashback with Goldie, or maybe Scrooge telling some more about what happened afterwards. We'll never know... --Harry. From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Tue Jul 1 10:29:15 2003 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 10:29:15 +0200 Subject: April, May & June, again and again Message-ID: <0DD8055E0FECF744B5FF8053F80C4A2D011931CB@l07.oase.research.kpn.com> Dani?l: > Dutch comic album > "50 Vrolijke verhalen van de Duckies, no. 1" > BTW. The album belongs to a series which I like very much. Other albums > contain stories by Ben Verhagen and by Mau Heijmans. I hope this series > will continue. Do you have any information on the popularity and frequency > of these albums, Harry? And will older albums be reprinted, or will they > (as it seems now) disappear from the market? I have no information other than that you're talking about *two* new series ("50 vrolijke..." and "De xxx-avonturen..."). Each series has one new album per year. --Harry. From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Tue Jul 1 10:36:11 2003 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 10:36:11 +0200 Subject: Stefan Persson's reply (Re: disney) Message-ID: <0DD8055E0FECF744B5FF8053F80C4A2DE759BF@l07.oase.research.kpn.com> Dani?l wrote: > Stefan, you are quoting an email that appeared empty in the > digests, only with a link to the attachment. Stefan replied: > There was nothing strange with the mail when I received it. > (Notice: I'm subscribing to the NON-digest version of DCML.) For the record: I also got the original text. But that mail had some very strange settings, something about Greek character sets or so. This may have caused the DCML software to treat the entire mail as an attachment. --Harry. ("For the record? Which record?" Let's say "Scrambled Eggs" by the Beatles.) From ggk at wp.pl Tue Jul 1 11:00:59 2003 From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 11:00:59 +0200 Subject: Q[u]estion [a]bout Back To The Klo[n]dike References: <0DD8055E0FECF744B5FF8053F80C4A2D011931CA@l07.oase.research.kpn.com> Message-ID: <000d01c33faf$4d65cdd0$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8> >So it's a mystery to me why the Polish (?) editor used the 4 pages flashback, but removed some pages >elsewhere. I's not the Polish Version. I have English. Dis story was never (as far I now) publish in the Poland. The version I now you can red here : http://ksacomics.com/us2/klondike.htm Yours Maciek From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Tue Jul 1 11:05:23 2003 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 11:05:23 +0200 Subject: Q[u]estion [a]bout Back To The Klo[n]dike Message-ID: <0DD8055E0FECF744B5FF8053F80C4A2DE759C1@l07.oase.research.kpn.com> > > So it's a mystery to me why the Polish (?) editor used the 4 pages > > flashback, but removed some pages elsewhere. > > The version I now you can read here : > http://ksacomics.com/us2/klondike.htm They must have skipped 2 pages in the scanning process. This is the version from Gladstone's comic album #4, which was 32 pages (with 1/2 page Barks/Jippes). --Harry. From ggk at wp.pl Tue Jul 1 11:09:20 2003 From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 11:09:20 +0200 Subject: How it hapend ? (Re: Moby Duck, Mad Madam Mim and others) References: <03df01c33f44$2b29edc0$9a469dd9@idb3156> Message-ID: <002a01c33fb0$753f69f0$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8> Hi! You now it olweys bother me : In storys wich was publish in Poland "Mad Madam Mim" is a good wich from Duckburg ho olweys help other people, enemy of the Beagle Boys. But as I read in the Internet and hear in other storys (theat wasent publishet in Poland, jest) she is a evil wich, a villant, she helps Magica De Spell, Beagle Boys, Hazel The Wich or some times Phantom Blot. I never cud understud How it hapend theat are two versions of Mim : Evil and good. Yours Maciek From reimersholme at hotmail.com Tue Jul 1 11:13:12 2003 From: reimersholme at hotmail.com (Stefan Persson) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 11:13:12 +0200 Subject: Stefan Persson's reply (Re: disney) Message-ID: >From: >To: >Subject: RE: Stefan Persson's reply (Re: disney) >Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 10:36:11 +0200 >I also got the original text. But that mail had some very strange settings, >something about Greek character sets or so. This may have caused the DCML >software to treat the entire mail as an attachment. I've noticed that most Greek members on DCML send their mails using various Greek character sets. Since it IS possible to read those mails, the error in this particular mail has to be somewhere else. Stefan _________________________________________________________________ Hitta r?tt k?pare p? MSN K?p & S?lj http://www.msn.se/koposalj From reimersholme at hotmail.com Tue Jul 1 11:48:10 2003 From: reimersholme at hotmail.com (Stefan Persson) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 11:48:10 +0200 Subject: How it hapend ? (Re: Moby Duck, Mad Madam Mim and others) Message-ID: >From: "KUR" >To: "Lars Jensen" , "Disney Comics Mailing List" > >Subject: How it hapend ? (Re: Moby Duck, Mad Madam Mim and others) >Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 11:09:20 +0200 >I never cud understud How it hapend theat are two versions of Mim : Evil >and >good. Well, the original version (i.e. as in the movie) is *only* evil. Stefan _________________________________________________________________ Hitta r?tt p? n?tet med MSN S?k http://search.msn.se/ From bangfish at comcast.net Tue Jul 1 14:36:43 2003 From: bangfish at comcast.net (Gary Leach) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 08:36:43 -0400 Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 5, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <200307010815.h618Fpv05332@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: Harry: > 1. Gladstone needed a separate OK from Disney to print albums under a > different title. > Just like they at first weren't allowed to print "Uncle Scrooge" > albums (they got a separate licence for that later on). Once Gladstone had a license to print Disney comics and albums (again), that was all that was required. No separate license for Uncle Scrooge was necessary. Album title changes were due to the U.S. Postal Service and their changeable regulations. > 2. Albums with Grandma Duck and Daisy Duck stories only would not sell > as well as Donald or Scrooge (or even Gyro). That, I'm afraid, is one of the main reasons that those stories did not make it into color albums. Originally the Gladstone plan was to do everything, but by the time we got around to the Daisy and Grandma material we were no longer in a tenable position to publish what we knew would not sell as well as what we had been publishing. > Correct: I read in an interview that Geppi has no plans to print > "graphic novels" at all. What this refers to - if we're talking about the same interview - is the 8 1/2" by 11" album format, which has never managed to be terribly popular in the U.S. The smaller, 5" by 7 1/2" (or thereabouts) trade paperback format, though, is very popular, and that is what we are going into with our 128-page "Take-Along Comics" line. The first issue ships later this month, and will feature "pocket book" style Donald, Mickey, and Uncle Scrooge stories that have not been published before in North America. The somewhat larger, 6 5/8" by 10 3/16" (or thereabouts) trade paperback format is also a possibility for a revived CBLiC series, though, as I might have mentioned here before, no formal plans have been made as yet. Gary From roland3067 at yahoo.co.uk Wed Jul 2 01:44:18 2003 From: roland3067 at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Boe?=) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 00:44:18 +0100 (BST) Subject: Help destroy all French lives (was Re: DCML Digest, Vol 5, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030701234418.21677.qmail@web14512.mail.yahoo.com> You can easily help do your part by simply avoiding any French owned business in your local neighbourhood. For example, if there is a French owned restaurant, or cafe, or bakery (all easily identifiable) simply don't give it your custom. Never. This approach will be particulalry devastating to French owned businesses outside of France where they cannot rely upon a lot of French nationals for patronage. Don't give them your money. Starve these people of business revenue, and they will soon be out of business. They will have no income. Help make the French pay for their arrogant behaviour against the US, UK, Spain, Australia, and other nations of the Western Coalition. It doesn't matter where you are in the world, you can easily avoid using French owned businesses. Not just food outlets and restaurants, but any business that you know is French owned. Help destroy French lives, the French deserve this lesson, a lesson they will have to live with and remember forever. Help put French people out of business. Mornave --- Gary Leach wrote: > Harry: > > > 1. Gladstone needed a separate OK from Disney to > print albums under a > > different title. > > Just like they at first weren't allowed to print > "Uncle Scrooge" > > albums (they got a separate licence for that later > on). > > Once Gladstone had a license to print Disney comics > and albums (again), > that was all that was required. No separate license > for Uncle Scrooge > was necessary. Album title changes were due to the > U.S. Postal Service > and their changeable regulations. > > > 2. Albums with Grandma Duck and Daisy Duck stories > only would not sell > > as well as Donald or Scrooge (or even Gyro). > > That, I'm afraid, is one of the main reasons that > those stories did not > make it into color albums. Originally the Gladstone > plan was to do > everything, but by the time we got around to the > Daisy and Grandma > material we were no longer in a tenable position to > publish what we > knew would not sell as well as what we had been > publishing. > > > Correct: I read in an interview that Geppi has no > plans to print > > "graphic novels" at all. > > What this refers to - if we're talking about the > same interview - is > the 8 1/2" by 11" album format, which has never > managed to be terribly > popular in the U.S. The smaller, 5" by 7 1/2" (or > thereabouts) trade > paperback format, though, is very popular, and that > is what we are > going into with our 128-page "Take-Along Comics" > line. The first issue > ships later this month, and will feature "pocket > book" style Donald, > Mickey, and Uncle Scrooge stories that have not been > published before > in North America. > > The somewhat larger, 6 5/8" by 10 3/16" (or > thereabouts) trade > paperback format is also a possibility for a revived > CBLiC series, > though, as I might have mentioned here before, no > formal plans have > been made as yet. > > Gary > > _______________________________________________ > http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ From sigvald at duckburg.dk Wed Jul 2 02:58:15 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 1:58:15 +0100 Subject: Lurking period over! Message-ID: <200307012358.h61NwFEH093959@webmail.dht.dk> Hi all! Hi have decided to end my lurking-period. The reasons are: a) It didn't looked good when I "delurked" from time to time. Some serious persons even joked with it and said that I gave the word "lurking" a new meaning. b) I now feel ready to address DCML in a polite way that won't start any unnecessary flame wars here. Greetings: Sigvald From sigvald at duckburg.dk Wed Jul 2 03:15:31 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 2:15:31 +0100 Subject: Bad timed campaign Message-ID: <200307020015.h620FVcl093987@webmail.dht.dk> Alan Boe wrote: > You can easily help do your part by simply > avoiding any French owned business in your > local neighbourhood... Help make the > French pay for their arrogant behaviour > against the US, UK, Spain, Australia, and > other nations of the Western Coalition... First: this is really off-topic! Second: you are forgetting that he French were not alone. The Germans, the Russians, the Belgians and the Swedes was supporing them strongly. Third: this is bad timing - this issue was hot in April, not now! Finally: even though I don't see this posting being appropriate for DCML, I hope that it explains why I mentioned this topic when Don Rosa's relations to Picsou were debated in April. PS! This is *no attempt* of defending my actions at that time - it was still *wrong* of me to come up with those speculations around DRs relations with Picosou. I am still very sorry about that careless goof of mine. Regards Sigvald From alecto at goulburn.net.au Wed Jul 2 02:45:02 2003 From: alecto at goulburn.net.au (Alecto) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 10:45:02 +1000 Subject: Help destroy all French lives References: <200307020000.h6200ev01364@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <3F022B0E.CBE8EB2@goulburn.net.au> > Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 00:44:18 +0100 (BST) > From: Alan Boe > Subject: Help destroy all French lives (was Re: DCML Digest, Vol 5, > Issue 1 > To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se > Message-ID: <20030701234418.21677.qmail at web14512.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > You can easily help do your part by simply avoiding > any French owned > business in your local neighbourhood. A Quiz just for you Alan, name the Tony Strobl story that this quote comes from - "Go jump in the lake" Anthony From longtom at oeste.com.ar Wed Jul 2 03:39:53 2003 From: longtom at oeste.com.ar (Fabio Blanco) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:39:53 -0300 Subject: Help destroy all French lives References: <200307020000.h6200ev01364@numerus.ling.uu.se> <3F022B0E.CBE8EB2@goulburn.net.au> Message-ID: <001a01c3403a$d8e0d540$681520c8@favio> Yeah! I suscribed to Picsou in January and received nothing yet!! Seriously talking, this man really know about "arrogant" people... peace and love FABIO bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com Wed Jul 2 06:09:51 2003 From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 00:09:51 EDT Subject: Some Observations After Buying US 319 Message-ID: <14d.210f0f16.2c33b50f@aol.com> Hi everyone! I've visited the DCML for a long time and I finally decided to subscribe. Well, today I went to my local comics shop. I had only been there a few times, so I didn't know if they had Disney comics or not. But lo, what do my eyes see upon entering the shop, but an advertisement on the door saying Disney comics are back. I took that as an encouraging sign. When I asked about Disney comics, the man showed me to a back-issue area(which had a lot of 80's/90's Gladstone for cheap that I'll have to buy later). No, I told him, I meant the new Disney comics, he pointed to a wall, and there was a lone copy of US 319. For the first time in 6 years, I had purchased a new Disney comic. Yay! But alas, this story is not all joy and light. I talked to the man working at the shop about Disney comics and how they were being percieved, what their future chances were. He basically said that the comics were too expensive for kids to buy, that only a few adults were purchasing them. That they(Gemstone) were in danger of pricing themselves out of the market. He blamed Disney(thinking that perhaps they were the reason behind the high prices. He hoped that the prices would come down soon. At any rate, he talked them up to me, saying they'd be coming in every month, so that shop at least plans on continuing to sell Disney comics. Now I'm a Disney comic diehard, but from a practical perspective, even though I've enjoyed US 319, I can't truthfully say that it's worth the $7. I just hope Gemstone hasn't had any wild expectations for US/WDC, because from what I can tell, only the dedicated fans(adults) will buy these comics. Hopefully t hings will turn around in September when the two $3 comics are released. Because I just can't see US/WDC doing anything except sell to the fairly small audience of adult Disney comics fans who were going to buy the comics anyway regardless of the price. I don't see these titles gaining many new fans at all. And to Don Rosa/John Lustig: Great work! 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I just discovered Daniel van Eijmeren has allready giving us this information! Sorry Daniel! (and to the rest of you for beiing Off-topic!) Are Myklebust From lgiver at postoffice.pacbell.net Wed Jul 2 09:22:38 2003 From: lgiver at postoffice.pacbell.net (lgiver@postoffice.pacbell.net) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 00:22:38 -0700 Subject: "Back to the Klondike" -- 2 pages missing from linked version Message-ID: <3F02883E.1010001@postoffice.pacbell.net> KUR posted a link to Gladstone's Album #4 reprint of "Back to the Klondike", with 30 pages. Harry Flux replied that it was published with 32 pages, and that 2 pages must have been skipped when scanned. That is exactly right; I compared the on-line version to Gladstone's second album reprint, and indeed they are identical pages 1 thru 23; pages 24 and 25 of the 32-page version are missing from the linked website version. Otherwise, they are identical. Page 24 shows Goldie releasing her boxes of mosquitoes which attack Donald and Scrooge, and page 25 shows HDL disarming Goldie. These 2 pages were part of the original 27-page published version---nothing was censored from this part. ------Larry Giver. From rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com Wed Jul 2 14:59:52 2003 From: rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com (rodney-selfhelpbikeco@juno.com) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 12:59:52 GMT Subject: WDCS 634 Message-ID: <20030702.085959.3343.140231@webmail19.nyc.untd.com> If your local area was like my local area and copies of WDCS 634 were not available last week, they should be today. My local shop tells me that they did not ship from the Columbus warehouse on time for unknown reasons. 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URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030702/3d245e48/attachment.html From lpj at forfatter.dk Wed Jul 2 19:32:12 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 19:32:12 +0200 Subject: Eega Beeva (was: Re: Moby Duck, Mad Madam Mim and others) References: Message-ID: <04e501c340c1$a5691920$88469dd9@idb3156> Stefan Persson wrote: > In the Italian stories [Eega Beeva] is usually considered an alien, as > opposed to Gottfredson's stories, where Eega is a man from the future. > Does anyone know why the Italians changed that? I can make a guess, but that's pretty much it. Maybe one of our Italian members knows why? Lars From lpj at forfatter.dk Wed Jul 2 19:41:57 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 19:41:57 +0200 Subject: Sv: Moby Duck, Mad Madam Mim and others References: Message-ID: <04e901c340c1$a7e6ea60$88469dd9@idb3156> Rich Bellacera wrote: > I miss [Percy and Patricia Pig(g)] [...] as > familiar "supporting" characters. I like to see familiar > faces popping up. OK, if you're talking about Percy and Patricia walking by in the background or appearing when Mickey's entire neighborhood throws a party... Then yes, I'd like to see them, too. I don't think they should be used as actual personalities, though. Part of their appeal (to me, anyway) is that they can be used when one for whatever reason *doesn't* want to use one of the major secondary characters. Lars From lpj at forfatter.dk Wed Jul 2 19:32:38 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 19:32:38 +0200 Subject: Time machine Message-ID: <04e601c340c1$a5d6f620$88469dd9@idb3156> On May 25, mateusz lis wrote: > In D 96116 (art by Marco Rota) in 6 panel, in Gyro's workshop, there > is a small machine, which seems to be the one from DD Time Travel > series. My question is: was this vehicle shrunk in any episode of this > series? Or maybe it is a project? I suspect it was a model. As far as I know, the time machine is still under repair, after Oona crashed it in D 93505. Lars From lpj at forfatter.dk Wed Jul 2 19:33:23 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 19:33:23 +0200 Subject: Disney comics in the Eastern block during the cold war Message-ID: <04e701c340c1$a64c7440$88469dd9@idb3156> On May 24, mateusz lis wrote: >> Were any the Polish comics >> redrawn versions of other stories? > > I think that it was totally Polish work. > > Here is a scan: > http://gildia.pl/teksty/janusz_pawlak/grafa/myszka > I know, it's terrific... Actually, I think it looks *great*! Totally different from any other Mickey story I've ever seen and totally off-model ...but still great in its own way. Do you know who the creators of the illegal Polish Mickey comics were? Does current Polish Disney material ever refer to the illegal stuff (in articles and such), or is it ignored? Were the illegal stories considered underground or were they officially approved by the state? Were any characters created especially for these? And do the illegal creators have any kind of connection to the current Disney comics in Poland? Lars From lpj at forfatter.dk Wed Jul 2 19:36:23 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 19:36:23 +0200 Subject: How it hapend ? (Re: Moby Duck, Mad Madam Mim and others) Message-ID: <04e801c340c1$a6fbee20$88469dd9@idb3156> KUR/Maciek wrote: > In storys wich was publish in Poland "Mad Madam Mim" is a good wich > from Duckburg ho olweys help other people, enemy of the Beagle Boys. > But as I read in the Internet and hear in other storys (theat wasent > publishet in Poland, jest) she is a evil wich, a villant, she helps > Magica De Spell, Beagle Boys, Hazel The Wich or some times Phantom > Blot. > > I never cud understud How it hapend theat are two versions of Mim : > Evil and good. To which Stefan Persson answered: > Well, the original version (i.e. as in the movie) is *only* evil. Here's the deal: In the feature "The Sword in the Stone", Madam Mim was a strongly characterized opponent to good-guy Merlin -- and was clearly proud of her evil witchiness. Her appearance being one of the high points of the movie, it was decided to spin her into comics. In comics, her personality became less focused. In American books, she was shown to be either somewhat less evil (imprisoning Tinker Bell and collaborating with the Phantom Blot, but not actively trying to kill anybody as in the movie) or merely highly egotistical (magically forcing unwilling guests to appear at her birthday party). In the Studio production, meant for non-American use, she lived with Magica in a run-down castle and once in awhile made plans for how to get Scrooge's Dime from him -- and that was the extent of her "evilness" there. As American production with Mim stopped, other countries took over. In many stories, Madam Mim over the 80s and 90s gradually changed into a nice old woman who, using a magic wand, would help children against bullies. Not quite knowing how to handle her wand (which would frequently break), she wouldn't be that effectice -- but at least she would try to be helpful. I find that boring. Having Mim turn into a copy of Hanna-Barbera's Winsome Witch was in my opinion a bad development. A few years ago, though, Mim sort-of returned to her roots. I haven't seen enough of anybody else's material to form an opinion, but in my stories, at least, Mimsy is extremely self-confident and egotistical with no qualms about using her limitless (natural) magic for her own purposes. No, she's not evil -- it's hard to make five-year-olds identify with somebody who wants to kill Jiminy Cricket -- but she certainly isn't a goodie-goodie. Lars From cord at wiljes.de Wed Jul 2 21:25:23 2003 From: cord at wiljes.de (Cord Wiljes) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 21:25:23 +0200 Subject: off-topic mails Message-ID: <011101c340cf$af8a7300$0101a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> This is just a short reminder that off-topic discussions can be moved to http://www.dcml-talk.org If an existing discussion gets off-topic or if you want to discuss an off-topic posting to the mailing list, a short notificiation to the mailing list informing about the move to the off-topic forum would be O.K., I believe. What do you think? Please post answers to this mail here: http://www.dcml-talk.org/read.php?f=1&i=154&t=154 Cord From JALustig at aol.com Wed Jul 2 21:31:31 2003 From: JALustig at aol.com (JALustig@aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 15:31:31 EDT Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 5, Issue 3 Message-ID: <141.14b7655d.2c348d13@aol.com> To Zeldas: I'm glad you liked "Family of Fore."(And thanks to Barry as well for a positive reaction to this story in a previous DCML posting.) I haven't played gold in about 30 years, but I had a lot of exposure to it when I was young. My father was (and still is) an avid golfer. It was no accident that my parents built a home across the street from a golf course. By the way, Zeldas (and many other folks on this mailing list), I share your concern about the price of these first Disney comics from Gemstone. Beautiful product, but mighty pricey. I suspect they'll just go to collectors. On the other hand, Gemstone will be coming out with additional formats later this year. So there's reason to be optimistic that these stories will find their way into the hands of young readers and folks who traditionally don't read comics. In my opinion, that's crucial for the survivial of both U.S. Disney comics and the U.S. comic book industry in general. Best Wishes, John Lustig 7218 27th Ave. N.E. Seattle, WA 98115 www.lastkisscomics.com (206) 525-6257 Fax 206 525-2386 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030702/43ebd22d/attachment.html From Cebarat at aol.com Wed Jul 2 23:55:05 2003 From: Cebarat at aol.com (Cebarat@aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 17:55:05 EDT Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 5, Issue 3 Message-ID: <1d7.ccbc6fe.2c34aeb9@aol.com> Putting in my 2 shekels' worth on the Gemstone availability issue... WDC 634 didn't appear at my comics shop in Richmond, VA until today. US 319 was released last week. Strange... a number of folks reported getting BOTH titles last week. Chris Barat -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030702/fef60a18/attachment.html From dve at kabelfoon.nl Thu Jul 3 01:01:43 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 01:01:43 +0200 Subject: Off-topic (Bad timed campaign) Message-ID: <20030702224613.9D4AEBE600@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> SIGVALD GROSFJELD to ALAN BOE, 02-07-2003: >> Help make the French pay [...] > First: this is really off-topic! This is the *only* comment to make after such an email, *if* any comment should be made at all. > Second: It is off-topic. > Third: It is off-topic. > Finally: It is off-topic. Sigvald and everyone else, please don't feed such a subject with your own opinion if you see that it has nothing to do with the interest of this mailing list. --- Dani?l From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com Thu Jul 3 09:10:25 2003 From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 03:10:25 EDT Subject: More Comments On US 319, etc. Message-ID: <1d0.cfad634.2c3530e1@aol.com> Hi all! I was wondering about Carl Barks' 'Terror Of The Beagle Boys' in US 319. Did anything strike you as different about its presentation compared to the rest of the stories in the book? To me, the line art, colors, seemed sort of pixeliated, 'fuzzy' compared to the other stories. Is this just me? I have the same story in CBL Set 8, and the line art certainly doesn't look that way. I wonder if for some reason, Gemstone couldn't grab ahold of a good print of the story or if something went wrong on the computer end of the process. Another thing I must mention about Carl Barks/Gemstone. I'm a big Barks fan, he's a true inspiration to me. That being said, I'm glad Gemstone doesn't seem to be doing what I at first feared it would do, which is basically fill up big portions of the books with Barks reprints. They're great stories, but unless they're a Barks story that I (or some other Barks fans) haven't read already, they can be 'boring'. In the sense you've read them before, why pay a portion of the book price to read them again, etc. I certainly understand the need to introduce Barks to a new generation of fans, but I also appreciate Gemstone's somewhat measured approach to it. Now other writers/artists will have a better chance to gain exposure(or more exposure) among readers and gain some new fans as well. Also, does anyone here (I'm sure Gary will know, but perhaps others as well) what stories will be appearing in the first issue of the travel-size Donald Duck Adventures? Any previews of what stories will be in there is appreciated. :) And I'll have to call the comics shop to see if they've got in a new(or first?) shipment of WDC 634. Mustn't let a William Van Horn story be released without my reading it. Or Pat Block for that matter. :) Derek Smith -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030703/839bb2c5/attachment.html From xephyr at cwnet.com Fri Jul 4 07:28:02 2003 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (xephyr@cwnet.com) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 01:28:02 -0400 Subject: Br'er Rabbit's nephews? (and other stuff, too) Message-ID: <232810-220037545282807@M2W069.mail2web.com> I recently learned that Molly Cottontail has two nieces named Annie & Fannie, and that Br'er Rabbit has two nephews. I could find no sources for the nephews. Does anyone know their names? Also, have names ever been assigned to the Three Little Wolves (the orginal sons of the Big Bad Wolf)? I also have a bit of obscure information for the INDUCKS database: Did you know that the Beagle Brats have names (aside from their assigned numbers 1, 2 & 3)? According to their appearance in HDL: JUNIOR WOODCHUCKS #3 (JW-0003-04) their given names are Snitty, Bitty & Fitty (which I guess acknowledge their personality traits). In the first appearance of the Beagle Babes (WDC #345) at least one of the girls is named Beatrice. As an aside, having finally had the opportunity to read (sort of) about six issues of Disney's series "W.I.T.C.H." I was more than happy to honor that book by making a banner for my message board as a tribute. http://members3.boardhost.com/DisneyComics/ I think the series would go over quite well in the USA (except that it would give the Religious Right more fuel for their fires). Thanks, Rich Bellacera -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com Fri Jul 4 09:43:33 2003 From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 03:43:33 EDT Subject: Donald Ault's CB Book/DCML Archives Question Message-ID: <6d.14d041c9.2c368a25@aol.com> A while ago Donald Ault had made a reply on the DCML. I wasn't a member then, but I wish I had become one at that time, because I had recently read his book "Carl Barks Conversations". It was one of the most interesting books I've read in a while. It really gave me something of a look at Barks' life, attitudes, etc. I really learned a lot from it. The last article, 'Spools of Memory', something about that one struck me. Reading about a person's thoughts and concerns when they're in the last months of their life. I just wanted to congratulate Donald on it. It was a book that needed to be made. Also, I've noticed, for a while I suppose, that most of 1995-97 in the DCML archives are missing. Any chance these months will be put up?(if they still survive to be put up that is). Derek Smith -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030704/db7932d5/attachment.html From dve at kabelfoon.nl Fri Jul 4 10:39:42 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 10:39:42 +0200 Subject: DCML archives 1995-1999 Message-ID: <20030704082415.14997BE83C@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> DEREK SMITH, 04-07-2003: > Also, I've noticed, for a while I suppose, that most of 1995-97 > in the DCML archives are missing. Any chance these months will > be put up?(if they still survive to be put up that is). At least, the period from February 1995 to November 1999 is missing. It has survived, but only on the hard-disks of a few members. I also hope that they will be put online. --- Dani?l From info at klartekst.no Fri Jul 4 13:15:06 2003 From: info at klartekst.no (Klartekst) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 13:15:06 +0200 Subject: Jack Bradbury Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030704130615.00a100a0@127.0.0.1> I hope someone on the list can help me with this: As far as I know, Jack Bradbury is the only one of the old Disney comic book masters who is still alive. I would very much like to write to him to tell him how much I have appriciated his art, and to thank him for all the happy reading hours he has given me over the years. He could do all the Disney characters, of course, but to me he will always be THE Li'l Bad Wolf artist. His soft inking style with a hint of shading gave the panels a special and charming quality. Does anyone know how I can get in touch with him by e-mail or regular mail? Nils from Norway From lpj at forfatter.dk Fri Jul 4 14:56:16 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 14:56:16 +0200 Subject: Jack Bradbury Message-ID: <024501c3422b$a9035260$a3469dd9@idb3156> Nils wrote: > As far as I know, Jack Bradbury is the only one of the old Disney > comic book masters who is still alive. [...] Does anyone know how I > can get in touch with him by e-mail or regular mail? Check this link: http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-May/022707.html . And Vic Lockman is still alive, too, by the way. I hope he'll show up in the Gemstone books at some point. Lars From dghez at hotmail.com Fri Jul 4 16:25:13 2003 From: dghez at hotmail.com (Didier Ghez) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 15:25:13 +0100 Subject: Disney Publications in Sweden before 1950 Message-ID: Hi, While preparing my series of articles about Donald for Picsou Magazine, I stumbled on great information about the history of Disney publications in Finland before 1950 that some members of the list were very kind to send me. This will allow me to create an article for the magazine Tomart's Disneyana about those fantastic books and magazine. And it got me thinking that I would love to do the same kind of article about Sweden publications before 1950. Is there a member on the list that would have a complete knowledge of the Disney books (and potentially magazines) that were published in Finland before 1950 ? Is there also someone who might have a large collection of those ? Thanks a million in advance for your help. Didier -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030704/887c47ae/attachment.html From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Fri Jul 4 16:51:08 2003 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 16:51:08 +0200 Subject: Jack Bradbury Message-ID: <0DD8055E0FECF744B5FF8053F80C4A2D011931FD@l07.oase.research.kpn.com> Lars wrote: > Check this link: > http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-May/022707.html . For those who don't have the possibility to follow that link directly, here's the text: << Luca Boschi cnotw at zen.it Mon May 12 15:59:24 CEST 2003 Hello, Olof Siverbo Jack Bradbury, with her wife Mary Jim Karp, lives in Santa Rosa (but he's moving in this very period to one Jack's son home in another State) and feels fine, even if he doesn't draw anymore from years and years. I'm in touch with them from some twenty years. If you want, I can say hallo to them by yours. Frank McSavage is dead. Alberto Becattini called him by phone some years ago. Check an article on him on ZP, around 2000... >> --Harry. From sigvald at duckburg.dk Fri Jul 4 18:44:04 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 17:44:04 +0100 Subject: German publishig av Lo$ (for Don Rosa) Message-ID: <200307041544.h64Fi5an003398@webmail.dht.dk> Hi all, and especially to Don Rosa! Some time ago Don posted a message to DCML in where he asks for help with the new German edition of Lo$. I can't help him by checking the old German edition for errors, but there is another point where I may have a helpful tip. It's about the coloring of the McDuck coat of arms and banners shown in part Lo$, part I - "The Last of The Clan McDuck". As we know Don likes everything in his stories to be correct. It seems however that the colorists at both Gladstone and Egmont didn't know or didn't care about heraldic rules when they colored the McDuck coat of arms and the McDuck banners. As Don now seems to be allowed to give some comments about how his work should be printed I hope we will finally se those arms in their correct heraldic coloring - as it's reasonable to think that a noble family like the McDucks wouldn't allow heraldic errors to appear in their weapon. I have written about the McDuck heraldry here: http://duckman.pettho.com/mcduck/heraldry.html Recently an expert on heraldry told me that in a heraldic coat of arms there must be colors (red, blue, green, purple or black) and metals (silver or gold). There cannot be colors next to each other and not metals next to each other. Based on this he told me that a possible correct coloring of the McDuck Coat of arms would be to use the blue or the red background with the golden coins as shown in the Scandinavian scans presented in my page, and the silver (white) bend (the ribbon) with the black McDucks heads as shown in the US-version of the scans. The border shown around the shields could be in silver or in gold, but *not* in a combination of those as shown in one of the Scandinavian scans. Unless there's a special reason for it, all coat of arms and the banner should be colored equally. Hope this is helpful! From timoro at hotmail.com Fri Jul 4 17:49:09 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 18:49:09 +0300 Subject: Floyd Gottfredson audio interview!! Message-ID: Floyd Gottfredson Interviewed by Arn Saba in The Comics Journal web site: http://www.tcj.com/listen/listen.html "The Comics Journal is proud to present this month's Audio Archive installment, the first of several excerpts of interviews with some of the giants of the cartooning world, as interviewed by cartoonist Arn Saba. We begin with a conversation originally printed in The Comics Journal #120 (March 1988), in which Saba spoke with Disney artist Floyd Gottfredson. Gottfredson drew the Mickey Mouse newspaper comic strip for more than 45 years, a run fondly remembered by comic-strip afficianados all over the world. Saba interviewed him at his home in California in 1978, three years after his retirement from the strip, originally for a series of radio essays for the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation. In the excerpts below, Gottfredson discusses how he came to work for Walt Disney, his thinking behind the creation of the work, and much more. Enjoy." Two Mp3 -files. Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ................................. "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ Tilaa nyt Hotmail postit k?nnykk??si! http://www.msn.fi/mobiili/ From sigvald at duckburg.dk Fri Jul 4 20:21:43 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 19:21:43 +0100 Subject: Born on the 4th of July (about alcohol in Disney-stories) Message-ID: <200307041721.h64HLh7B003583@webmail.dht.dk> Hi all! Happy 4th of July for all Americans here! As you will see it has been a happy day here in Stavanger too! Earlier this summer our local brewery, Tou, was closed down. However some people here thinks that every city with the slightest respect for itself should have: 1) a cathedral 2) a club playing in the fotball (=soccer) top division 3) a local brewed beer so they started a new brewer "Lervig Aktiebryggeri AS" and today their brew reached the market for the very first time and is so to say born on the 4th of July! I have now tasted it and can confirm that it's great! But to make this slightly on-topic - are there many stories in where there are shown or mentioned the use of alcohol? I can think of Don Rosa's "The Sharpie of the Culebra Cut" in where Teddy's Cognac is mentioned, but are there more? Haven't we seen scenes from pubs where the Beagle Boys or others are drinking beer? And have there ever been made any stories in where there have been drawn lines between the McDucks and Scotch Whisky? Sigvald From cien2 at cbn.net.id Fri Jul 4 19:38:48 2003 From: cien2 at cbn.net.id (Arie Fachrisal) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 00:38:48 +0700 Subject: Gottfredson's Interview References: <200307040749.h647nEv24483@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <004401c34253$2b26fcc0$ba779eca@cien2> Hi, Just want to say thanks to Timo Ronkainen for posting the url here in DCML. Just downloaded the smaller one and havin' a great time listening to the conversations. Keep On Quacking, Arie Fachrisal who dont know the answer to the quiz question about MM's social card number, anybody know? ;-) From olaf at andebyonline.com Fri Jul 4 19:48:07 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 19:48:07 +0200 Subject: Born on the 4th of July (about alcohol in Disney-stories) References: <200307041721.h64HLh7B003583@webmail.dht.dk> Message-ID: <005701c34254$6dffc2b0$0900000a@olaftheblue> Monsieur Gr?sfjeld wrote a little something like this: > Hi all! > > Happy 4th of July for all Americans here! As you will see it has been a > happy day here in Stavanger too! > > [yabb yabb yabb] > > But to make this slightly on-topic - are there many stories in where there > are shown or mentioned the use of alcohol? I can think of Don Rosa's "The > Sharpie of the Culebra Cut" in where Teddy's Cognac is mentioned, but are > there more? Haven't we seen scenes from pubs where the Beagle Boys or others > are drinking beer? > I really SHOULDN'T answer this here and now, as I don't have my sources here, but I figured it would be nice to actually answer it on July 4th (or, at least it's still July 4th west of India...) I remember lots of references to alcohol in my old Donald Pockets. Mainly old Italian stories... One I remember specially is one where Scrooge and Rockerduck compete on having the biggest collection of rare wine bottles. One of the things happening in this story is that Rockerduck gets fooled into trying to bribe a man with a barrel of beer. Turns out this man really HATES beer, so Rockerduck gets thrown right out of his castle IN the barrel, still full of beer. I also remember seeing Scrooge drinking a drink in a bar (I _think_ I saw that one in Donald Pocket #2, but...) The drink had "Klondike" in its name, and was clearly a drink Scrooge had drinken a lot of in his youth. At least, it was way too strong for Donald. Scrooge on his hand drank it as if it was water. And, even though this is not alcohol-related, I must mention that one of my favorite comics EVER is the one where Scrooge is opening a tobacco plantage, and have Donald and Fethry doing research for him by picking up cigarette ends all over Duckburg to find out what brands are popular. And then, a maharaja (or was he a prince?) picks up Donald and rents him to be a hitman. I don't have my sources for hand, but I guess someone else can give it to you - if they can't, remind me in late August and I can dig it up for you. ___________________ Olaf the Blue Yvan eht nioj! From bangfish at comcast.net Fri Jul 4 23:36:32 2003 From: bangfish at comcast.net (Gary Leach) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 17:36:32 -0400 Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 5, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: <200307040748.h647m9v24452@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <94657CC6-AE67-11D7-901B-000393C28E48@comcast.net> All: Concerning recent reports of WDCS 634 not showing up along with US 319 in the American southeast - these books were shipped out from the printer to that region's distribution centers on different trucks, and the truck carrying WDCS 634 broke down en route, forcing a delay in distribution. Derek: "Terror of the Beagle Boys" was reproduced by scanning Gladstone album pages and then reprocessing them to produce new color files, many of which were lost due to the fluctuating state of archiving back in the early 1990s. The "travel" book is Donald Duck Adventures 1, the first volume of the first series in Gemstone's "Take-Along Comic" project. The stories are "The Deep" featuring Donald, "Panicking Pachyderms" featuring Mickey, and "Time of Reckoning" featuring Scrooge. The first has Donald and the boys tussling with a lagoon monster on one of Uncle Scrooge's oil rigs, the second involves Mickey with an elephant given to him as a present from a grateful mideastern potentate, and the third sends Scrooge into the future to deal with what has been wrought by his investments in hi-tech in the present. Gary From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sat Jul 5 10:14:14 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 10:14:14 +0200 Subject: Vic Lockman Message-ID: <20030705075903.3E1EFBEA8F@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> LARS JENSEN to NILS KLARTEKST, 04-07-2003: > And Vic Lockman is still alive, too, by the way. I hope he'll show up > in the Gemstone books at some point. Can Vic Lockman be contacted for identifying the scripts that were drawn by Carl Barks? If I remember well, some these scripts were said to have been made by Lockman. Maybe he can give us more information and details? That would be very interesting. --- Dani?l From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Sat Jul 5 10:34:13 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 10:34:13 +0200 Subject: Floyd Gottfredson audio interview!! References: Message-ID: <001a01c342d0$374056a0$42d6fdc1@computer> Hi! Timo: >>>> Floyd Gottfredson Interviewed by Arn Saba in The Comics Journal web site: >>>> http://www.tcj.com/listen/listen.html Wonderful! Thanks a lot, Timo! And thanks to the Comics Journal if they happen to read the list! I've donwloaded the files and will listen to them when I have enought time to do so without fear of being interrupted. Have a nice week-end! Olivier From DGE at ECN.egmont.com Sat Jul 5 15:12:23 2003 From: DGE at ECN.egmont.com (Gerstein, David DK - ECN) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 15:12:23 +0200 Subject: Br'er Rabbit's nephews? Message-ID: <9160C3BDF7D0CB43A73E11CCF133D21D0179A1D4@cphegtd1-xch01.egt.egmont.com> Rich, >I recently learned that Molly Cottontail has two nieces named Annie & >Fannie, and that Br'er Rabbit has two nephews. I could find no sources for >the nephews. Does anyone know their names? The nephews are found in Sunday strip continuity ZB 46-01-27, "De Famine" (published by Gladstone in WDC 516). They don't have names there. I don't instantly recall having seen them in any later story, but my memory is nowhere today. Maybe they rarely reappeared because their mere relationship to the hero is a little awkward: when his first name already means "brother", "Uncle Brer Rabbit" is a mouthful of marbles. :-) David From germund_s at yahoo.com Sat Jul 5 19:03:35 2003 From: germund_s at yahoo.com (Germund Silvegren) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 10:03:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Norwegian Taliaferro books Message-ID: <20030705170335.55108.qmail@web40006.mail.yahoo.com> A few years ago there was a rumour going round that a few strips in the Norwegian reprint books with Al Taliaferro's Donald dailies were published in the wrong volumes. This was supposedly due to the indicated copyright dates, since a few of the earliest January strips often were labelled by the previous copyright year. Does anybody know if there is any truth in this and if so, which strips are malpublished? /Germund __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From c_seiten at hotmail.com Sat Jul 5 19:21:49 2003 From: c_seiten at hotmail.com (Claudio Eckert) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 19:21:49 +0200 Subject: (non-)Alcohol Message-ID: Olaf Solstrand wrote: >And, even though this is not alcohol-related, I must mention that one of my >favorite comics EVER is the one where Scrooge is opening a tobacco >plantage, >and have Donald and Fethry doing research for him by picking up cigarette >ends all over Duckburg to find out what brands are popular. And then, a >maharaja (or was he a prince?) picks up Donald and rents him to be a >hitman. This reminds me of the story I TL 920-A. Iin the German translation Donald and Fethry have to search for spit off chewing gums, though. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From pkannine at cc.hut.fi Sat Jul 5 21:00:15 2003 From: pkannine at cc.hut.fi (Petri Kanninen) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 22:00:15 +0300 (EEST) Subject: about alcohol in Disney-stories In-Reply-To: <200307041752.h64HqDv31644@numerus.ling.uu.se> References: <200307041752.h64HqDv31644@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 Olaf Solstrand wrote: > One I remember specially is one where Scrooge and Rockerduck compete on > having the biggest collection of rare wine bottles. One of the things > happening in this story is that Rockerduck gets fooled into trying to bribe > a man with a barrel of beer. Turns out this man really HATES beer, so > Rockerduck gets thrown right out of his castle IN the barrel, still full of > beer. This one is Zio Paperone e il nabucodonosor da collezione, I TL 902-B (drawn by Marco Rota). Was it actually mentioned in your version that they were wine bottles? In the Finnish edition they are just juice bottles. I was just about 9 years old when I read the story first time and I wasn't fooled by the translation even back then. Wonder why the editors even bothered to change it. > I also remember seeing Scrooge drinking a drink in a bar (I _think_ I saw > that one in Donald Pocket #2, but...) The drink had "Klondike" in its name, > and was clearly a drink Scrooge had drinken a lot of in his youth. At least, > it was way too strong for Donald. Scrooge on his hand drank it as if it was > water. This came up here some time ago. I made a scan of the situation: http://www.hut.fi/~pkannine/roopejuo2.jpg (Paperino e il ciclaliante sperimentale, I TL 371-A) The Finnish name for the drink is Tulikiven katku or roughly The Smell of Brimstone. The way the bartender mixes the drink is unforgetable. > And, even though this is not alcohol-related, I must mention that one of my > favorite comics EVER is the one where Scrooge is opening a tobacco plantage, > and have Donald and Fethry doing research for him by picking up cigarette > ends all over Duckburg to find out what brands are popular. And then, a > maharaja (or was he a prince?) picks up Donald and rents him to be a hitman. So they were cigarettes! In the Finnish version Scrooge has Donald and Fethry collecting bubble gum papers. I knew there was something odd with the papers they picked up. The story is actually from the same pocket book as the wine bottle collection story. It is Zio Paperone e i "desperados" di Paperopoli, I TL 920-A. There are many more occasions of alcohol in the pocket books. Timo Ronkainen made an article of alcohol and drugs in Disney comics for the Finnish Disney-fanzine and I helped to collect their appereances from pocket books. And it was not a small list. One of the greatest examples is Il romanzo di un papero povero, I TL 586-A. There it is revealed that Scrooge has smuggled opium in his youth. And on top of that he had cheated his partner by drugging him with the very opium they were smuggling and leaving him on a raft in the middle of the ocean. I don't think that sort of story could be published or even made these days. But it sure was great reading. -- Petri Kanninen (pkannine at cc.hut.fi) Aku Ankan taskukirja -tietokanta: http://www.perunamaa.net/taskarit/ "AAUGH! It's a half-hour later than it was half an hour ago! Run! Run!" -Calvin From frspreaf at tin.it Sat Jul 5 21:36:31 2003 From: frspreaf at tin.it (Francesco Spreafico) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 21:36:31 +0200 Subject: Gemstone's Uncle Scrooge Message-ID: <01d901c3432c$c3394c00$b56a1e97@versi> Today WDC&S was waiting for me at my local Comic Store, while Uncle Scrooge was not. They told me it hadn't shipped yet, and that it hopefully will next week. Mind you, I'm in Italy, but we generally get US comics on Friday, the same week they're for sale in the US on Thursday or Wednesday. Do I have to start worry or can this be normal and I can relax and wait for next week? :-) BTW I noticed on the Mile High Comics site the blurb for Uncle Scrooge 320: UNCLE SCROOGE #320 by Various This issue features a new cover by William Van Horn illustrating his story, "Fools of the Trade," which leads the book. Also in this issue is a Gyro Gearloose story by Carl Barks, as well as Scrooge McDuck adventure stories by Carl Fallberg and Romano Scarpa, and Geoffrey Blum and Daniel Branca! SC, 7x10, 64pg, FC $6.95 Can anybody tell us about what Scarpa's story it will be? Scarpa back in the US, it's a little event! Francesco http://www.dimensionedelta.net From lpj at forfatter.dk Sat Jul 5 22:19:52 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 22:19:52 +0200 Subject: Floyd Gottfredson audio interview!! Message-ID: <019101c34333$c8b67660$a7469dd9@idb3156> Olivier wrote: >>>>> Floyd Gottfredson Interviewed by Arn Saba in The Comics Journal >>>>> web site: >>>>> http://www.tcj.com/listen/listen.html > > I've donwloaded the files and will listen to them when I have enought > time You recorded them?! How?! I can only get the files as streaming audio. And I agree: This is great! Lars From frspreaf at tin.it Sat Jul 5 22:36:12 2003 From: frspreaf at tin.it (Francesco Spreafico) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 22:36:12 +0200 Subject: Floyd Gottfredson audio interview!! References: <019101c34333$c8b67660$a7469dd9@idb3156> Message-ID: <029501c34335$8197c200$b56a1e97@versi> Lars Jensen wrote: > You recorded them?! How?! I can only get the files as streaming audio. Just right-click them and choose save, it works! > And I agree: This is great! Yes, thanks from me too! -- Francesco http://www.dimensionedelta.net From arthur at wolfstad.com Sat Jul 5 23:52:46 2003 From: arthur at wolfstad.com (Arthur de Wolf) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 23:52:46 +0200 Subject: Gemstone's Uncle Scrooge References: <01d901c3432c$c3394c00$b56a1e97@versi> Message-ID: <000901c3433f$c5ad5ea0$f42354d5@enterprise> Francesco wrote: > They told me it hadn't shipped yet, and that it hopefully will next > week. Mind you, I'm in Italy, but we generally get US comics on Friday. I'm in the Netherlands and I got the new WDC&S two days ago on Thursday and the new Uncle Scrooge the week before already, on 26 June. Kind regards, Arthur From arthur at wolfstad.com Sun Jul 6 00:04:12 2003 From: arthur at wolfstad.com (Arthur de Wolf) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 00:04:12 +0200 Subject: distribution delimnas References: <20030627.145459.3343.62944@webmail19.nyc.untd.com> Message-ID: <047601c34341$5e83ff70$f42354d5@enterprise> On 27 June Rodney Bowcock wrote: > Gladstone was selling 6,000-7,000 copies of WDCS and US > during their last print run. I wonder how many of those were shipped outside the USA. Does anyone know? Kind regards, Arthur From olaf at andebyonline.com Sun Jul 6 07:53:54 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 07:53:54 +0200 Subject: Gemstone's Uncle Scrooge References: <01d901c3432c$c3394c00$b56a1e97@versi> Message-ID: <002f01c34382$fc52cc40$0900000a@olaftheblue> > Can anybody tell us about what Scarpa's story it will be? Scarpa back in the > US, it's a little event! > According to Gemstone F.A.C.T.S. #1: '"The Big Break-In" is written by Carl Fallberg and drawn by fan favorite Romano Scarpa. This story features another encounter between Scrooge and the Beagles. This storyline was originally produced for the Disney studios in the 1980's. Yet it has not seen print in the U.S. until now.' According to INDUCKS: This 15-pages story has story code S 77048. It was printed in Italy in Almanacco Topolino #296 and Paperino Mese #110 under the title "Zio Paperone e le suole da scasso". This story was also printed in Scandinavia and Finland less than a year ago, in weeklies #46-2002 (Donald Duck & Co., Kalle Anka & C:o, Anders And & Co., Aku Ankka). And I disagree, Francesco - Scarpa back in the US is not a little event, it's a GREAT event! _____________________ Olaf the Blue Yvan Eht Nioj! From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Sun Jul 6 12:25:43 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 12:25:43 +0200 Subject: Floyd Gottfredson audio interview!! References: <019101c34333$c8b67660$a7469dd9@idb3156> Message-ID: <002801c343a8$f501abc0$3721fdc1@computer> Hi everyone! Lars regarding the Gottfredson interview: >>>> You recorded them?! How?! I can only get the files as streaming audio. Instead of clicking on the link to play the file, just right-click on it (or whatever it is on Mac) and "Save target as". The first one (roughly 16 minutes) is 3.66 Mb, the second part (45 minutes) is 9.47 Mb; once converted to wav files for burning, they're 40.3 Mb & 104 Mb respectively. You can convert mp3 to wav using NeoAudio (http://www.neonapster.com/), for instance, and lots of other softwares. Have a nice day! Olivier From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sun Jul 6 13:01:09 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 13:01:09 +0200 Subject: Olaf's secret message (OT?) Message-ID: <20030706104533.0775819FC12@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> OLAF SOLSTRAND to FRANCESCO SPREAFICO, 06-07-2003: > Olaf the Blue > Yvan Eht Nioj! yhw? --- l?inaD From olaf at andebyonline.com Sun Jul 6 12:58:09 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 12:58:09 +0200 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_Olaf=27s_secret_messag?= =?iso-8859-1?q?e_=28TO_yrev=2C_L=EBinad=2C_seY!=29?= References: <20030706104533.0775819FC12@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Message-ID: <004d01c343ad$7dcebd90$0900000a@olaftheblue> > > Olaf the Blue > > Yvan Eht Nioj! > > yhw? Just a signature, that's all... ...picked from an episode of The Simpsons. A man gets Bart, Milhouse, Nelson and Ralph to start a boyband (I think their Boyband voices are dubbed by N'Sync). Their number one hit is "Drop Da Bomb", where the refrain is Asian women singing "Yvan Eht Nioj". Lisa then discovers subliminal messages are being sent out through the boyband to get people join the Navy. Please note that that quote does not reflect my own opinions - I'm just a fan of the Simpsons. __________________________________ Olaf the Blue Noitisiuqni Hsinaps the stcepxe ydobon! From frspreaf at tin.it Sun Jul 6 14:25:57 2003 From: frspreaf at tin.it (Francesco Spreafico) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 14:25:57 +0200 Subject: Gemstone's Uncle Scrooge References: <01d901c3432c$c3394c00$b56a1e97@versi> <002f01c34382$fc52cc40$0900000a@olaftheblue> Message-ID: <00b701c343b9$c2dd7550$52661e97@versi> Olaf Solstrand wrote: > According to Gemstone F.A.C.T.S. #1: Geez, and I thought I'd read it carefully... > And I disagree, Francesco - Scarpa back in the US is not a little > event, it's a GREAT event! Of course, I meant it was little compared to the bigger return of Disney Comics in the US :-) Sprea From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sun Jul 6 16:12:19 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 16:12:19 +0200 Subject: - Message-ID: <20030706145022.D294EBE7FB@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sun Jul 6 16:33:50 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 16:33:50 +0200 Subject: - Message-ID: <20030706145026.E0E41BE7EA@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sun Jul 6 16:16:18 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 16:16:18 +0200 Subject: - Message-ID: <20030706145023.936EABE7B7@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sun Jul 6 16:19:11 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 16:19:11 +0200 Subject: - Message-ID: <20030706145024.35EFDBE7CD@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sun Jul 6 16:24:10 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 16:24:10 +0200 Subject: - Message-ID: <20030706145024.E6195BE7E3@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sun Jul 6 16:28:14 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 16:28:14 +0200 Subject: - Message-ID: <20030706145025.96CD5BE7E8@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sun Jul 6 16:31:09 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 16:31:09 +0200 Subject: - Message-ID: <20030706145026.40AB9BE7E9@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sun Jul 6 16:38:41 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 16:38:41 +0200 Subject: - Message-ID: <20030706145027.9F898BE7F7@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sun Jul 6 17:19:06 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 17:19:06 +0200 Subject: Ooops! THIS is getting monotonous! / Remaining Barks quote Message-ID: <20030706150329.213FA19FC95@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> I just goofed and send eight empty messages to this list. My apologies if you didn't like them. To make this ninth email on-topic, I'll end with reminding you of the last remaining undiscovered Barks-quote. --- Dani?l "THIS is getting monotonous!" (Donald Duck) Hint: This story features a Gyro Gearloose invention. Gyro is mentioned, but does not appear in this story. At the end of the story, Gyro is mentioned again. About a deal, this time. New hint: The story refers to a dinner. From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sun Jul 6 17:22:24 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 17:22:24 +0200 Subject: Phantom of Notre-Duck and Zorro (DCML digest, Vol 1 #672 - 12 msgs) Message-ID: <20030706150646.108A2BE7EA@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> ARTHUR FARIA to HARRY FLUKS, 18-09-2001: >> About organs: I think Catholic churches don't have organs, and that >> they were introduced in protestant churches after 1570. Is that true? >> (Just curious.) > I'm not an expert on this matter, but in S?o Paulo, Brazil, there > is an old Catholic cathedral (Catedral da S?) with an old, big and > impressive organ in it. > And I also remember that nice Zorro's TV episode where Don Diego > plays an organ in a Catholic church. Reading this, I'm tended to think that in Barks' "The Phantom of Notre Duck" (US 60), the phantom looks and acts a bit like Zorro. Could this mean that Barks's story may have been inspired by this Zorro episode, or by a comic book adaption of that episode, in case any exists? Or could it be the other way around, namely the Zorro's TV episode having been inspired by Barks's story? Barks submitted "The Phantom of Notre Duck" on 3 March 1965. It was first published in Uncle Scrooge #60, November 1965. What are the details of that Don Diego Zorro TV episode? --- Dani?l From Cebarat at aol.com Sun Jul 6 18:57:33 2003 From: Cebarat at aol.com (Cebarat@aol.com) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 12:57:33 EDT Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 5, Issue 7 Message-ID: <1a0.1778bee2.2c39aefd@aol.com> > ARTHUR FARIA to HARRY FLUKS, 18-09-2001: > > >>About organs: I think Catholic churches don't have organs, and that > >>they were introduced in protestant churches after 1570. Is that true? > >>(Just curious.) > In the U.S., most older Catholic churches -- and many of the newer ones -- certainly do have organs. How often they are used is another matter. A lot of churches prefer more informal guitar and piano accompaniments. Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030706/2545d437/attachment.html From ArneVoigtmann at gmx.de Sun Jul 6 20:57:55 2003 From: ArneVoigtmann at gmx.de (Arne Voigtmann) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 20:57:55 +0200 Subject: German publishing of Lo$ In-Reply-To: <200307041544.h64Fi5an003398@webmail.dht.dk> References: <200307041544.h64Fi5an003398@webmail.dht.dk> Message-ID: <1892200644.20030706205755@gmx.de> "Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr." wrote: > Hi all, and especially to Don Rosa! > Some time ago Don posted a message to DCML in where he asks for help with > the new German edition of Lo$. I can't help him by checking the old German > edition for errors, but there is another point where I may have a helpful > tip. It's about the coloring of the McDuck coat of arms and banners shown in > part Lo$, part I - "The Last of The Clan McDuck". >[...] Hi. The coloring in this new book will be taken from the Italian edition published a few years ago. So neither the Egmont nor the Gladstone coloring will be used - I don't know if the banners in the Italian version do have the right color, but even if not, I don't think Ehapa will change anything in the coloring, because that would be too expensive. Best regards, Arne. From afaria at brasopolis.com.br Sun Jul 6 21:23:42 2003 From: afaria at brasopolis.com.br (Arthur Faria) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 16:23:42 -0300 Subject: Phantom of Notre-Duck and Zorro Message-ID: <002601c343f4$43b4a7e0$42eccac8@arthur> I wrote some time ago: > > I'm not an expert on this matter, but in S?o Paulo, Brazil, there > > is an old Catholic cathedral (Catedral da S?) with an old, big and v> impressive organ in it. > And I also remember that nice Zorro's TV episode where Don Diego > > plays an organ in a Catholic church. And Daniel van Eijmeren wrote: > Reading this, I'm tended to think that in Barks' "The Phantom of > Notre Duck" (US 60), the phantom looks and acts a bit like Zorro. > Could this mean that Barks's story may have been inspired by this > Zorro episode, or by a comic book adaption of that episode, in case > any exists? > Or could it be the other way around, namely the Zorro's TV episode > having been inspired by Barks's story? > What are the details of that Don Diego Zorro TV episode? I think Barks' "Phantom of Notre Duck" story was inspired in two classical stories: "The Phantom of the Opera" and "Hunchback of Notre Dame". About that Zorro episode, "Zorro rides to the Mission", it was aired in 10/24/57 (and was beautifully coloured in 1992). I'm not sure it has served as inspiration for Barks, although it has never ocurred me since now that yes, Barks's phantom looks and acts a bit like Zorro, swinging on a bell rope, making tricks on Garcia and soldiers, and wearing of course a black costume and mask... -- Arthur. From reimersholme at hotmail.com Sun Jul 6 21:43:11 2003 From: reimersholme at hotmail.com (Stefan Persson) Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 21:43:11 +0200 Subject: Norwegian Taliaferro books Message-ID: >From: Germund Silvegren >To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se >Subject: Norwegian Taliaferro books >Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 10:03:35 -0700 (PDT) >A few years ago there was a rumour going round that a few strips in >the Norwegian reprint books with Al Taliaferro's Donald dailies were >published in the wrong volumes. This was supposedly due to the >indicated copyright dates, since a few of the earliest January strips >often were labelled by the previous copyright year. Does anybody know >if there is any truth in this and if so, which strips are >malpublished? It is true, and I've heard that one strip is supposed to have a code that is completely wrong. Some of this information is in Inducks. Stefan _________________________________________________________________ Hitta r?tt k?pare p? MSN K?p & S?lj http://www.msn.se/koposalj From info at klartekst.no Sun Jul 6 22:05:45 2003 From: info at klartekst.no (Klartekst) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 22:05:45 +0200 Subject: Barks Quiz Message-ID: <004f01c343fa$147f7c10$8119fea9@klartekst> <"THIS is getting monotonous!" (Donald Duck) Hint: This story features a Gyro Gearloose invention. Gyro is mentioned, but does not appear in this story. At the end of the story, Gyro is mentioned again. About a deal, this time. New hint: The story refers to a dinner.> I had given up this one, but your new hint did the trick: It's from "The Custard Gun", WDC186. Gyro has invented a gun that shoots custard goolets. This is supposed to be a more humane form of hunting. The idea is to blind the game with the custard and then hog-tie it while it's helpless. When I read this as a kid, I remeber thinking it was not very logical. You're still going to kill and eat the game in the end aren't you? Do you also have to humiliate it first? Anyway, the line "THIS is getting monotonous!"comes the second time Donald misses the game and blinds HIMSELF with custard instead. He then decides to go after a moose, because it's big and difficult to miss. For anyone who has access to the story: Dig it out and look again at panel four on the last page. It's one of the funniest panels in comic book history. At the end of the story, the ducks have turkey for dinner. >From the shop. Nils from Norway -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030706/147d3805/attachment.html From sigvald at duckburg.dk Mon Jul 7 01:07:40 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 0:07:40 +0100 Subject: SV: Ooops! THIS is getting monotonous! / Remaining Barks quote Message-ID: <200307062207.h66M7e0f010007@webmail.dht.dk> Daniel van Eijmeren wrote: > "THIS is getting monotonous!" > (Donald Duck) > > Hint: This story features a Gyro Gearloose > invention. Gyro is mentioned, but does not > appear in this story. At the end of the > story, Gyro is mentioned again. About a deal, > this time. New hint: The story refers to a > dinner. It's stated by Donald after being creamed himself several times by Gyro's new cream-rifle - a new weapon for hunting used to blind the animal temporarily instead of killing it. Gyro had to buy Donald and the boys a dinner after missing the wall of a barn with his own cream rifle (he lost a bet with Donald). Sigvald From frankbubacz at hotmail.com Mon Jul 7 00:17:33 2003 From: frankbubacz at hotmail.com (Frank Bubacz) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 00:17:33 +0200 Subject: stuff Message-ID: Hi, a few things: Gottfredson interview: Thanks Timo for drawing my attention to it. Some interesting stuff about the enigmatic Win Smith, and I didn't know Iwerks only pencilled the first 18 strips of "Desert Island", either. Thankfully, elderly people tend to speak slowly, so I was able to understand every word. ;-) Brer Rabbit's nephews: I'm hundred per cent sure I've seen them in a Strobl drawn story in which they are talking to HDL. Not sure about the story, though: http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?W+WDC+324-01 and http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?W+DD+90-05 are the most likely candidates. Out of memory they didn't have names there. Barks quiz: The questions change from very difficult to far too easy whenever you guys give hints!! The Last Balaboo: What happened to the site? I can't access it. I also can't send a long overdue mail to Eega Beeva, so does anyone know an alternative email address to the eega.net one? Cheers, Frank _________________________________________________________________ Fotos? - ?MSN Fotos das virtuelle Fotoalbum. Allen Freunden zeigen oder einfach online entwickeln lassen: http://photos.msn.de/support/worldwide.aspx From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com Mon Jul 7 05:08:20 2003 From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 23:08:20 EDT Subject: Gottfredson Interview/Vic Lockman, etc. Message-ID: <18e.1cedec99.2c3a3e24@aol.com> Thanks Timo for the link to Comics Journal. It was very interesting to listen to(not to mention knowing what Gottfredson's voice sounded like). To Gary: Thanks for answering my questions about the Barks story. And for explaining why WDC 634 wasn't in my area(plus the DDA info). Speaking of Vic Lockman, for years, I had gone to the restaurant Shoney's. And they have these cartoon characters on their kids meals like Shoney Bear, a raccoon, etc. And it was only recently that I learned that Lockman drew those characters. When I compared the art to his Duck stories, it was obvious. It's amazing that I grew up with those Shoney's characters for so long, not knowing that one of the Duck artists I knew of, had drew them. As for Barks being partly inspired by Zorro(if he was), perhaps it was a comic book adaptation of the TV episode, because I don't think Barks even owned a TV until the 1970's or so(thus cutting down on his chances of having seen the episode). Derek Smith -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Are Myklebust From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com Mon Jul 7 10:21:14 2003 From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 04:21:14 EDT Subject: Ward Greene Message-ID: <123.239ca607.2c3a877a@aol.com> Hi Are! :) I found a little something about Greene in an interview with Stan Drake. It's about two-thirds of the way down the page after Drake is talking about what he did after a breakdown from exhaustion. He talks about Greene's connection with the comic strip 'The Heart of Julie Jones'. http://www.drake.org/Stan/ComicsInterviewPart1.html Hope it helps you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030707/033889f3/attachment.html From sigvald at duckburg.dk Mon Jul 7 13:22:57 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 12:22:57 +0100 Subject: Barks and TV Message-ID: <200307071022.h67AMvss011656@webmail.dht.dk> ZeldasTriforce at aol.com wrote: > I don't think Barks even owned a TV until the > 1970's or so(thus cutting down on his chances > of having seen the episode). FYI: TV came to Norway in 1960, but was available in the USA many years before that. In the famous "Back to the Future" movie-trilogy from the 1980's it is well documented that TV exited in the USA back in 1955. IMO it would be obvious that an enlightened man like Barks would have had TV a long time before 1960 otherwise he couldn't have followed closely important incidents like the Cuba crises, the murders of JFK, Marin Luther King and RFK, and the moon-landing all during the 1960's. And no matter how bad Dell may have paid him it's no reason to believe that Barks wouldn't afford to by a TV. Sigvald From SRoweCanoe at aol.com Mon Jul 7 13:16:11 2003 From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe@aol.com) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 07:16:11 EDT Subject: Gottfredson Interview/Vic Lockman, etc. Message-ID: <10.32b65918.2c3ab07b@aol.com> In a message dated 7/6/2003 11:11:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ZeldasTriforce at aol.com writes: > Speaking of Vic Lockman, for years, I had gone to the restaurant Shoney's. > And they have these cartoon characters on their kids meals like Shoney Bear, > a raccoon, etc. And it was only recently that I learned that Lockman drew > those characters. When I compared the art to his Duck stories, it was obvious. > It's amazing that I grew up with those Shoney's characters for so long, not > knowing that one of the Duck artists I knew of, had drew them. > the only shoney's bear comic book had Lockman's name signed on them..... (of course i was an adult when shoneys switched from big boy comics to shoneybear - you young people!) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030707/7b64aab9/attachment.html From dve at kabelfoon.nl Mon Jul 7 14:18:13 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 14:18:13 +0200 Subject: Olaf's secret message / New Barks quote Message-ID: <20030707120255.DBAD019FEA1@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> (The end of this otherwise off-topic email contains a new Barks quote.) OLAF SOLSTRAND to me, 06-07-2003: > Just a signature, that's all... > > ...picked from an episode of The Simpsons. A man gets Bart, Milhouse, > Nelson and Ralph to start a boyband (I think their Boyband voices are > dubbed by N'Sync). Their number one hit is "Drop Da Bomb", where the > refrain is Asian women singing "Yvan Eht Nioj". Lisa then discovers > subliminal messages are being sent out through the boyband to get > people join the Navy. :-D I love this kind of humour! Too bad I always miss my favourite television-programmes. Mostly I'm just in time to see the end-credits rolling off the screen. Then I always hope they are the begin-credits, but no. > Noitisiuqni Hsinaps the stcepxe ydobon! You'd better do this backwards Monty Python reference over again, Olaf. You made a mistake with "the". --- Dani?l "Tch! Tch! Maybe the next one will drop in my hand!" (Which Barks story?) From dve at kabelfoon.nl Mon Jul 7 15:01:14 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 15:01:14 +0200 Subject: The Custard Gun (Barks Quiz) Message-ID: <20030707124546.BA56619FD70@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> NILS KLARTEKST to me, 06-07-2003: >> "THIS is getting monotonous!" (Donald Duck) >> >> Hint: This story features a Gyro Gearloose invention. Gyro is >> mentioned, but does not appear in this story. At the end of the >> story, Gyro is mentioned again. About a deal, this time. >> New hint: The story refers to a dinner. > I had given up this one, but your new hint did the trick: It's > from "The Custard Gun", WDC186. Indeed! It's the custard gun story. The code is WDC 183, though. (WDC 186 is the ice taxis story.) > Gyro has invented a gun that shoots custard goolets. This is > supposed to be a more humane form of hunting. The idea is to > blind the game with the custard and then hog-tie it while it's > helpless. When I read this as a kid, I remeber thinking it was > not very logical. You're still going to kill and eat the game in > the end aren't you? Do you also have to humiliate it first? Nice observation, though I do think there's a difference between killing an animal on a distance, and killing a caught animal. From a distance it's easier to miss, or to shoot on the wrong place, so the animal can get wounded instead off killed. And if the wounded animal gets away, it may get a horrible death. The custard gun avoids this, although I don't know what cruelty will happen if an escaped temporarily blinded animal gets attacked by another animal... However, I think that the custard gun is a way to be able to make a Disney story about shooting animals. There's another such story, Jungle Bungle (WDC 259), in which Donald uses arrows that don't kill the animals. One type of arrows puts them asleep, and the other type of arrows wakes them up. > For anyone who has access to the story: Dig it out and look again > at panel four on the last page. It's one of the funniest panels > in comic book history. It's very funny, indeed. I'm not very enthusiastic about the rest of the story, though. There's too much discussing about what that failing custard gun can do, and about what it cannot do. It takes the pace out of the story, IMHO. The *main* reason for not being enthusiastic about the story, could be that the story is badly reproduced in The Netherlands, with hazy and muddy art. I just checked the Carl Barks Library, and there the story looks *much* better. It's a difference of day and night. So, maybe I'll change my opinion after reading that version. --- Dani?l From dve at kabelfoon.nl Mon Jul 7 15:28:32 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 15:28:32 +0200 Subject: The Custard Gun (continued) Message-ID: <20030707131304.D7D5FBE99F@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> SIGVALD GROSJFJELD to me, 07-07-2003: > It's stated by Donald after being creamed himself several times > by Gyro's new cream-rifle - a new weapon for hunting used to > blind the animal temporarily instead of killing it. Gyro had to > buy Donald and the boys a dinner after missing the wall of a barn > with his own cream rifle (he lost a bet with Donald). Reading this funny description already makes me much more enthusiastic about the story. Comparing the muddy Dutch version with the cleaner Carl Barks Library version, learns me that the ending of the Dutch version is slightly different. Dialogue of the last panel the Carl Barks Library: nephew 1: "THE SIDE OF A BARN?" nephew 2: "And he MISSED?" Donald: "Naturally! Have some more dressing, boys!" In the Dutch translation, Donald says: "He hit the woman next door! Have some more mash, boys!" I find hitting the woman next door, a funnier gag. It hints at Gyro getting into the same trouble as Donald had during the story. Or am I overlooking a joke in the original dialogue? Does "dressing" have a double meaning, for example? Or could the dressing be custard? Last year I've had a Thanksgiving diner here in The Netherlands, prepared by an American girl. I liked it very much, but I also found it unimaginable sweet and mighty. So, I really wouldn't be surprised if American people put custard over their turkeys. Can someone let me know if that's the case? I'm curious for comments. --- Dani?l From kyrimis at cti.gr Mon Jul 7 15:55:49 2003 From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 16:55:49 +0300 Subject: Dressing Message-ID: <3F097BE5.5090708@cti.gr> DANIEL: > Does "dressing" > have a double meaning, for example? Or could the dressing be custard? > Last year I've had a Thanksgiving diner here in The Netherlands, > prepared by an American girl. I liked it very much, but I also found > it unimaginable sweet and mighty. So, I really wouldn't be surprised > if American people put custard over their turkeys. Can someone let > me know if that's the case? "Dressing" is otherwise known as "stuffing", i.e., it is the stuff you put inside a bird before roasting, and which you then serve as a side dish. If I am not mistaken, the most popular poultry dressing in the US is bread-based, i.e., it is simply pieces of bread mixed with seasonings. When cooked, it turns into a kind of flavorful mash, which isn't sweet. In Greece, we use a different kind of dressing, with rice, ground meat, and various kinds of fruit and nuts. If you include the fruit (usually raisins, some also add prunes, Beagle Boy fashion), then the Greek version can be sweet, but I doubt whether Donald and the kids had this kind of dressing with their turkey! Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr) (WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis) ----- "That's why I am here, to pool resources, share information, spread panic and sow the seeds of defeat in the fields of our enemies." ----- From eega at supereva.it Mon Jul 7 16:14:36 2003 From: eega at supereva.it (Eta Beta) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 16:14:36 +0200 Subject: Disney Comics are BAD for education... Message-ID: <3EE0613600B2201F@vsmtp1.tin.it> (added by postmaster@virgilio.it) ... and here's yet another proof ============================================================ By the time I reached College age, I'd given up all hope of flying like Superman, but I was never able to develop a burning desire for an alternative occupation. When I was a kid I read Donald Duck and Uncle Scrooge comics. Uncle Scrooge was always going off to exotic places in search of gold. After Scrooge got the gold, he'd take it back to his money bin and push his loose change around with a bulldozer. Now this was my idea of a good job. Go on an adventure. Bring back gold. Push it around with a bulldozer. How fun is this? So you can possibly see the reason for my lack of motivation to get grades. I mean, do you really need good grades to drive a bulldozer? ============================================================ :-) Just for the record, this comes from "Hard Eight", by Janet Evanovich, eight chapter in the saga of Stephanie Plum, bounty hunter extraordinaire, and a fun reading thoroughly. Cheers! Eta Beta From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Mon Jul 7 16:44:45 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 16:44:45 +0200 Subject: Does Zorro like custard pie? / Quizes References: <20030707120255.DBAD019FEA1@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Message-ID: <003c01c34496$4f2ae420$2d8f3351@computer> Hi everyone! Nils: >>> For anyone who has access to the story: Dig it out and look again >>> at panel four on the last page. It's one of the funniest panels >>> in comic book history. *digdigdig* "Oh brother! What a picture that would make!" :D For some reason, it had me dig for "Mythical Menagerie" and have a look at the splash panel on p9. Hilarious story. Arthur, Dani?l, Arthur: >>>> And I also remember that nice Zorro's TV episode where Don Diego >>> > plays an organ in a Catholic church. >>> Reading this, I'm tended to think that in Barks' "The Phantom of >>> Notre Duck" (US 60), the phantom looks and acts a bit like Zorro. >>> Could this mean that Barks's story may have been inspired by this >>> Zorro episode, or by a comic book adaption of that episode, in case >>> any exists? >> About that Zorro episode, "Zorro rides to the Mission", >> it was aired in 10/24/57 (and was beautifully coloured >> in 1992). I'm not sure it has served as inspiration >> for Barks, although it has never ocurred me since now >> that yes, Barks's phantom looks and acts a bit like >> Zorro, swinging on a bell rope, making tricks on >> Garcia and soldiers, and wearing of course a black costume and mask... Dell comics published the "Zorro" comic book, which featured adaptations of the episode. I have "The Complete Classic Adventures of Zorro by Alex Toth" (Image omics; 1 volume; 2nd printing, Oct 2001), and below is a link to p 9 (p53 in the book) of "The Ghost of the Mission" (part 1). http://bobcat74.free.fr/pix/zorro53 This is the part where Don Diego is playing the organ. As for "The Phantom of Notre Duck", I guess Barks' main sources of inspiration were really the literary figures already cited rather than Zorro; though there is something of Zorro too in a sense, indeed. Stop reading here if you don't want the answer (well, I think) to Dani?l's new quiz! Treasure Hunt! In which (Barks) story (stories?) does Donald use a geiger counter & what for? Have a nice week! Olivier PS: Now for the true purpose of this message :D-- >>> "Tch! Tch! Maybe the next one will drop in my hand!" >>> (Which Barks story?) The one in a Disneyland album where, precisely, Gyro & Gus leave Disneyland in the very first panel. they find a planet of lazy Gus-like creatures who spend their days loafing around (though this is even too active a way of phrasing it). They just lie under trees, waiting for fruits to drop in their laps-- or better, their hands; hence the quote. An apple falls in Gus' hand-- "Begiunner's luck!" (if I remember correctly). Great story. Reprinted in one of the Gyro albums-- but I am just too lazy to find out which. From timoro at hotmail.com Mon Jul 7 17:48:05 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 18:48:05 +0300 Subject: Barks and TV Message-ID: Sigvald wrote: >1980's it is well documented that TV exited in the USA back in 1955. IMO it >would be obvious that an enlightened man like Barks would have had TV a >long I recall reading Barks' letter from 1970's which was printed in CBL in L and there he stated that he doesn't own TV-set. Someone who has acces to those CBL-albums can find that specific letter and perhaps cite it her. Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ................................. "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - kaikki yst?v?t klikkauksen p??ss?! Lataa t?st? ilmaiseksi. http://www.msn.fi/viestintapalvelut/Messenger From Joakim.Gunnarsson at egmont.se Mon Jul 7 16:56:16 2003 From: Joakim.Gunnarsson at egmont.se (Gunnarsson, Joakim SE - HMJ) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 16:56:16 +0200 Subject: Barks and TV Message-ID: <91E2BD72AB8BD3119FFB00508B55F07E0123DAC7@mmahmjd1-xch01.hmj.egmont.com> Sigvald wrote: > And no matter how bad Dell > may have paid him it's no reason to believe that Barks wouldn't afford to > by > a TV. > Not all people want's to watch TV, ya know... Myself I prefer radio. That way I still can draw/ink while listening to the news or other radioshows. /Joakim Gunnarsson. From SRoweCanoe at aol.com Mon Jul 7 20:36:41 2003 From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe@aol.com) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 14:36:41 -0400 Subject: Barks and TV Message-ID: <0BF0B050.1AE0CF31.0C38BCAA@aol.com> In a message dated 7/7/2003 9:56:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, Joakim.Gunnarsson at egmont.se writes: > Not all people want's to watch TV, ya know... Indeed, i loaned my TV to my mother 5 years ago.... and only watch tv on vacation! (in a hotel) by the way, it wasnt Dell who paid Barks, but Western Publishing.... Steven Rowe SRoweCanoe at aol.com From chuckm_1962 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 8 06:10:20 2003 From: chuckm_1962 at yahoo.com (Chuck Munson) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 21:10:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: DCML Vol 5-9 - Stuffing/Dressing In-Reply-To: <200307071449.h67EnHv28940@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <20030708041020.81008.qmail@web41502.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Everyone, A quick OT note for the gastronomes in the audience. Stuffing, which is also known as dressing, is indeed a side dish for turkey, be it for Thanksgiving or any other time. Stuffing is normally bread-based and mixed with varying spices, but it has an infinite number of varieties and most families who serve it will have their favorites. The consistancy can range from a mix of identifiable ingredients to an almost pudding-like blend. My mom's included bite-sized bread cubes moistened with chicken broth and melted butter, with minced carrot, celery, and onion, and seasoned with sage, parsley, salt and pepper. Some other recipes I've heard of include oysters or dried cranberries. Outside of the dried cranberries, I am not aware of dressing being overly sweet. Hope this helps with this tasty holiday tradition. Culinarily yours, Chuck Munson Oak Hill VA 20171 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From p.castagno at libero.it Tue Jul 8 11:45:12 2003 From: p.castagno at libero.it (Paolo Castagno) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 11:45:12 +0200 Subject: (OT) - Stuffing/Dressing In-Reply-To: <20030708041020.81008.qmail@web41502.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > A quick OT note for the gastronomes in the audience. > Stuffing, which is also known as dressing, And it reminds me of an (off topic) Laurel & Hardy short, where the guys are hired as waiters in an elegant house, and at the end of the dinner Stan is requested to serve an undressed salad... obviously he misunderstand it and comes to serve the salad wearing only his ... er.... I don't remember the correct English word... just like Super Goof, you know! For years this gag wasn't properly trasnslated in Italian (also because there isn't a way to do it), and it just seemed me a stupid thing to do... Ciao, - Paolo http://digilander.iol.it/inducks mailto:p.castagno at libero.it From dve at kabelfoon.nl Tue Jul 8 13:13:26 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 13:13:26 +0200 Subject: Zorro / Barks trivia and quote quiz Message-ID: <20030708105813.11BB919FD4F@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> OLIVIER to HARRY FLUKS, ARTHUR FARIA and me, 07-07-2003: > Dell comics published the "Zorro" comic book, which featured > adaptations of the episode. > I have "The Complete Classic Adventures of Zorro by Alex Toth" > (Image omics; 1 volume; 2nd printing, Oct 2001), and below is a link > to p 9 (p53 in the book) of "The Ghost of the Mission" (part 1). > http://bobcat74.free.fr/pix/zorro53 > This is the part where Don Diego is playing the organ. When was this story "The Ghost of the Mission" (part 1) first published? > Treasure Hunt! > In which (Barks) story (stories?) does Donald use a geiger counter & > what for? Why only Donald? I think it's interesting to search for all Barks's geiger counter stories. Here are some of them. WDC 191 uranium buttons US 55 lost watch D/D 2001-004 From Dime to Dime (not mentioned in Barks's idea, though) JW 13 Gold of the '49ers And apart from these rather radio-active stories, there are also stories with witching sticks, which are used as old-fashioned geiger counters. >> "Tch! Tch! Maybe the next one will drop in my hand!" >> (Which Barks story?) > The one in a Disneyland album where, precisely, Gyro & Gus leave > Disneyland in the very first panel. they find a planet of lazy > Gus-like creatures who spend their days loafing around (though this > is even too active a way of phrasing it). Sigh. Yes, you're right. It's "The Dream Planet" (OS 1025). I hoped that people would think that I was referring to Gladstone, making this a difficult quote. Hopefully, one day I'll find such a horribly hidden quote that I can auction the solution at Ebay. :-) > They just lie under trees, waiting for fruits to drop in their laps-- > or better, their hands; hence the quote. Just like my quote dropped in your lap, eh? :-) > An apple falls in Gus' hand-- "Begiunner's luck!" (if I remember > correctly). Indeed. (Spelling mistakes not included.) > Great story. I like it, too. That dream planet is a nice object for giving a very fast visual overview of the history of civilization as we know it. --- Dani?l "Come on, you cowards! Have a race to see who comes in SECOND!" (Which Barks story?) From lpj at forfatter.dk Tue Jul 8 13:08:15 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 13:08:15 +0200 Subject: Floyd Gottfredson audio interview!! Message-ID: <004b01c34543$0da8d680$90469dd9@idb3156> > Instead of clicking on the link to play the file, just right-click on > it (or whatever it is on Mac) and "Save target as". Brilliant! I tried it, and it works! Thanks to Olivier and Francesco for helping me out. And thanks to Timo Ronkainen for posting the URL. It's interesting hearing Gottfredson himself talk about his work. And now I know how to pronounce "Taliaferro"... :-) Lars From rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com Tue Jul 8 14:54:39 2003 From: rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com (rodney-selfhelpbikeco@juno.com) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 12:54:39 GMT Subject: Barks and TV Message-ID: <20030708.085538.17034.231401@webmail08.nyc.untd.com> Television existed in the USA all the way back to WWII (though only in one or two very large cities). By 1948, it was available in many major markets, and by 1955 radio had largely been forgotten in light of TV. I have however heard, from actual interviews with Barks that he rarely (if ever) watched television, prefering instead to read (yes, you can keep up with news events by picking up the daily newspaper. I do it all of the time!). Considering that he had little interest in television, it certainly wasn't a priority, and I don't find it hard to believe that he waited as long as possible before buying a TV set (I assume this is spoken of in the interview book). rodney. From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Tue Jul 8 15:11:54 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 15:11:54 +0200 Subject: Zorro / Barks trivia and quote quiz References: <20030708105813.11BB919FD4F@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Message-ID: <001a01c34552$8136e880$612bfbc1@computer> Hi! Dani?l: >>> > Dell comics published the "Zorro" comic book, which featured >>> > adaptations of the episode. >> When was this story "The Ghost of the Mission" (part 1) first published? Sorry, I forgot to mention it. I haven't found the date. The code reads 10169-803 W.D. Zorro #9 - 6712. I don't see any dates in the copyrights. Howard Victor Chaykin's introduction doesn't give any. Toth's foreword doesn't date the comics precisely either-- "Along came Zorro in the late '50s" >>>> > Treasure Hunt! >>>> > In which (Barks) story (stories?) does Donald use a geiger counter & >>>> > what for? >> Why only Donald? I think it's interesting to search for all Barks's >> geiger counter stories. Here are some of them. It is indeed. More specifically, it's only Donald using it, in a ten-pager, and he's not looking for Uranium-- it's rather a funny use of the detector. >>>>"Come on, you cowards! Have a race to see who comes in SECOND!" I don't know where it's from, but I like it! Olivier From SRoweCanoe at aol.com Tue Jul 8 15:56:22 2003 From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe@aol.com) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 09:56:22 -0400 Subject: Zorro / Barks trivia and quote quiz Message-ID: <31C1A475.28D78DBB.0C38BCAA@aol.com> In a message dated 7/8/2003 8:11:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr writes: > Sorry, I forgot to mention it. I haven't found the date. > The code reads > 10169-803 W.D. Zorro #9 - 6712. > I don't see any dates in the copyrights. So the date is December of 1967 (ie: 6712) - thus the Gold Key reprint of the Dell book. these Zorros arent in the inducks? and if not: why not? Steven Rowe (too lazy to check) SRoweCanoe at aol.com From M.J.Prior at student.rug.nl Tue Jul 8 16:00:43 2003 From: M.J.Prior at student.rug.nl (M.J. Prior) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 16:00:43 +0200 Subject: Barks quiz Message-ID: Hi y'all! > "Come on, you cowards! Have a race to see who comes in > SECOND!" > (Which Barks story?) How about "Duck out of Luck", in which Gladstone and Donald participate in an ice-skating-and-fishing contest? > My stars! A cataract of caterwauling cats catapulting at > my carp from the cattails! > This catastrophe is a categorical cataclysm! > I'll have to take my fish the rest of the way on a > catafalque! > Technically, we can't call these bones a fish, Masked > Marvel! You loose by a cat's whisker! And while we're still fishing, how about this quote: "Speaking of mackerel, there's something FISHY about this!" "Yeah, it reeks of RED HERRING!" (I'm afraid this quote is rather easy to guess, but it's one of my favourites.) Michiel Prior. From lis- at wp.pl Tue Jul 8 16:22:56 2003 From: lis- at wp.pl (mateusz lis) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 16:22:56 +0200 Subject: Time machine In-Reply-To: <04e601c340c1$a5d6f620$88469dd9@idb3156> Message-ID: Lars Jensen > I suspect it was a model. As far as I know, the time machine is still > under repair, after Oona crashed it in D 93505. I have two questions. Choose the correct one: So Oona appeared in "Donald Duck Time Travel" series? Or: So this time machine appeared also besides "DD Time machine" series? Best wishes, Mateusz Lis From lis- at wp.pl Tue Jul 8 16:41:41 2003 From: lis- at wp.pl (mateusz lis) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 16:41:41 +0200 Subject: Disney comics in the Eastern block during the cold war In-Reply-To: <04e701c340c1$a64c7440$88469dd9@idb3156> Message-ID: Lars Jensen: > Do you know who the creators of the illegal Polish Mickey comics were? No, I don't. > Does current Polish Disney material ever refer to the illegal stuff (in > articles Which articles? Polish weekly contains only comics and stupid jokes :-( > and such), or is it ignored? Were the illegal stories > considered underground or were they officially approved by the state? > Were any characters created especially for these? I don't know. I have never read this comics. I only found this scan when I was reading about history of comics in Poland. > And do the illegal > creators have any kind of connection to the current Disney comics in > Poland? No, these stories were created long time ago. The creators must be very old (or even dead). BTW: To only one legal Disney story in which the Pole is credited is D98155, written by Tomasz Kolodziejczak, drawn by Vicar (14 pages). Tomasz Kolodziejczak is (argh, I can't find it in my dictionary) the chief of editorial staff of Polish weekly(maybe Editor-in-chief is a good word?). Best wishes, Mateusz Lis From reimersholme at hotmail.com Tue Jul 8 17:24:31 2003 From: reimersholme at hotmail.com (Stefan Persson) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 17:24:31 +0200 Subject: Time machine Message-ID: >From: "mateusz lis" >To: "Disney Comics Mailing List" , "Lars Jensen" > >Subject: RE: Time machine >Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 16:22:56 +0200 >Lars Jensen > > I suspect it was a model. As far as I know, the time machine is still > > under repair, after Oona crashed it in D 93505. > >I have two questions. Choose the correct one: >So Oona appeared in "Donald Duck Time Travel" series? >Or: >So this time machine appeared also besides "DD Time machine" series? Oona first appeared in the weekly. Donald used the time machine from the time machine series, but the story does not have anything else to do with the time machine series. Stefan _________________________________________________________________ Hitta r?tt k?pare p? MSN K?p & S?lj http://www.msn.se/koposalj From dve at kabelfoon.nl Tue Jul 8 18:40:49 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 18:40:49 +0200 Subject: Stuffing, dressing, and custard guns Message-ID: <20030708162539.22DC8BEF2E@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> CHUCK MUNSON, 07-07-2003: > Stuffing, which is also known as dressing, is indeed a side dish > for turkey, be it for Thanksgiving or any other time. Does Donald's final comment "Have some more dressing, boys!", in the custard gun story (WDC 183), have anything to do with the custard in the story? Or is there another joke in that comment, if any at all? The custard acts like a dressing in the story, "dressing" the animals and Donald. So, that's why I'm thinking of a connection between the custard and the dressing. > Stuffing is normally bread-based and mixed with varying spices, > but it has an infinite number of varieties and most families who > serve it will have their favorites. The consistancy can range > from a mix of identifiable ingredients to an almost pudding-like > blend. Could that be a custard-like blend, as well? In the Dutch translation, Donald has a pudding gun, instead of a custard gun. If I'm wrong in comparing pudding with custard, maybe that will explain my confusion. > My mom's included bite-sized bread cubes moistened with chicken > broth and melted butter, with minced carrot, celery, and onion, and > seasoned with sage, parsley, salt and pepper. Some other recipes > I've heard of include oysters or dried cranberries. Outside of the > dried cranberries, I am not aware of dressing being overly sweet. The Thanksgiving diner I had, contained pumpkin-sauce and even marshmellows. I may be confused with the appetizers and the desert, though. I didn't have much time to think about that diner, because that evening I heard of the (at least for me) sudden death of a well-known Dutch poet and (song)writer, whom I've been in contact with. That was a rather cynical timing for me, apart from the much too early death itself. In that light, the Thanksgiving diner wasn't so sweet at all. (Apologies for this depressing, off-topic end-note. It's just an illustration of how life can be, or at least how *my* life can be.) --- Dani?l From lschulte at sfstoledo.org Tue Jul 8 18:54:00 2003 From: lschulte at sfstoledo.org (L. Schulte) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 12:54:00 -0400 Subject: Gemstone'sWDCS/Wm. Van Horn's Story In-Reply-To: <200307081502.h68F2jv12013@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.1.20030708124849.00aca5e0@10.0.0.8> I just received the new WDC&S with the story by William Van Horn about Donald as a noir detective (or gumshoe in 1940's slang). This has some very funny lines in it, and shows what we have been missing in the U.S.A. without the original English versions available. I should mention that the Gladstone Gander story was a minor "gem" as well! Don Rosa's story in the new Gemstone Uncle Scrooge is also a wonderful addition to my restarted collection. Does anyone know if sales are going as expected for Gemstone? I have been away for some weeks, and perhaps this is old news. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030708/ee9f86ee/attachment.html From lis- at wp.pl Tue Jul 8 19:14:12 2003 From: lis- at wp.pl (mateusz lis) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 19:14:12 +0200 Subject: Time machine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Stefan: > Oona first appeared in the weekly. Donald used the time machine from the > time machine series, but the story does not have anything else to do with > the time machine series. Who wrote the story with Oona's debut? Best wishes, Mateusz Lis From reimersholme at hotmail.com Tue Jul 8 19:47:20 2003 From: reimersholme at hotmail.com (Stefan Persson) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 19:47:20 +0200 Subject: Time machine Message-ID: >From: "mateusz lis" >To: "Disney Comics Mailing List" ,"Stefan Persson" > >Subject: RE: Time machine >Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 19:14:12 +0200 >Who wrote the story with Oona's debut? According to Inducks: D 93505 12 SPP UPP VR ? DD Princess Oona [xapp:DA,GY,DD,Oona(1st)] [pubdate:1995-11-20] | [xrefd:HC DD1998-20(cover)] |de: MM1996-09 (Prinzessin aus der Steinzeit) |dk: AA1995-47 (Prinsesse Una) |fi: AA1995-48,AANV1995-4 (Prinsessa Una) |fr: JM 2341 (La princesse Oona) |it: MG 482 (Paperino e la principessa Oona - L'incontro) |nl: DD1998-20 (Prinses Oena) |no: DD1995-47 (Prinsesse Gneis) |se: KA1995-47 (Prinsessan fr?n sten?ldern) Creator abbreviations: SPP Stefan Printz-P?hlson UPP Unn Printz-P?hlson VR Victor Arriagada Rios [pseudonym:Vicar] Stefan _________________________________________________________________ L?ttare att hitta dr?mresan med MSN Resor http://www.msn.se/resor/ From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Tue Jul 8 20:42:43 2003 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 20:42:43 +0200 Subject: Don: Naples newspaper Message-ID: <0DD8055E0FECF744B5FF8053F80C4A2DE759DC@l07.oase.research.kpn.com> Don Rosa, and others interested: Last March, you were in Naples. The local newspaper there reported your visit. Eta Beta translated the newspaper articles into English (thanks again, EB!). I (finally) put these translations on the web at: http://dd50.inducks.org/fotos/j2003/p03-01trans.html So you can now read what they wrote about you. 8-) --Harry. (For other Naples photographs see http://dd50.inducks.org/fotos/j2003/p03-01.html - new address) From kyrimis at cti.gr Wed Jul 9 08:31:17 2003 From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 09:31:17 +0300 Subject: Stuffing, dressing, and custard guns In-Reply-To: <20030708162539.22DC8BEF2E@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> References: <20030708162539.22DC8BEF2E@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Message-ID: <3F0BB6B5.4070709@cti.gr> DANIEL: > Does Donald's final comment "Have some more dressing, boys!", in the > custard gun story (WDC 183), have anything to do with the custard in > the story? Or is there another joke in that comment, if any at all? I think it was simply meant as "enjoy your meal, boys", similar to "have another peanut" in "Christmas on Bear Mountain". I'm sure you've had dinner at some relative who would not be convinced that you had eaten enough if you'd only had one helping! If there is anything more to be read between the lines, it is that they should enjoy their meal because it was free, courtesy of Gyro! Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr) (WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis) ----- "You' re human now. You've *gotta* like chocolate." ----- -- Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr) (WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis) ----- "You' re human now. You've *gotta* like chocolate." ----- From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Wed Jul 9 09:47:48 2003 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 09:47:48 +0200 Subject: Aunt Gertie? Message-ID: <0DD8055E0FECF744B5FF8053F80C4A2DE759DD@l07.oase.research.kpn.com> Hi all. Has anyone heard of an Aunt Gertie? She appears in a new Christmas film, and the translator likes to know if she already has a Dutch name from previous appearances. Aunt Gertie is a rather fat duck lady. (I haven't seen the film myself.) --Harry. From dve at kabelfoon.nl Wed Jul 9 14:43:58 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 14:43:58 +0200 Subject: Geiger counter Message-ID: <20030709122844.5B65919FCEF@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> OLIVIER to me, 08-07-2003: >> Why only Donald? I think it's interesting to search for all Barks's >> geiger counter stories. Here are some of them. > It is indeed. More specifically, it's only Donald using it, in a > ten-pager, and he's not looking for Uranium-- it's rather a funny > use of the detector. The story you mean must be the story in which Donald uses a geiger counter to find the nephews (WDC 184). --- Dani?l From rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com Wed Jul 9 14:35:10 2003 From: rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com (rodney-selfhelpbikeco@juno.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 12:35:10 GMT Subject: Voodoo Hoodoo Message-ID: <20030709.083644.15571.253439@webmail20.nyc.untd.com> I re-read Voodoo Hoodoo for the first time in several years last night, and I was surprised to read that my copy was censored (Gladstone Comic Album 16). I suppose I may not have read the commentary for the story at the beginning of the book before, thus missing out on that information. Do all US reprintings of Voodoo Hoodoo have the art altered to avoid any African stereotypes? If so, does anyone have scans comparing the original art as Barks drew it with the updated art? Also, who drew the changed art anyway? Without knowing that it was changed, you couldn't really tell any difference. At least I couldn't. rodney. From dve at kabelfoon.nl Wed Jul 9 14:56:37 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 14:56:37 +0200 Subject: Barks quote quiz Message-ID: <20030709124122.ED30A19FB3A@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> MICHIEL PRIOR to me, 08-07-2003: >> "Come on, you cowards! Have a race to see who comes in SECOND!" >> (Which Barks story?) > How about "Duck out of Luck", in which Gladstone and Donald > participate in an ice-skating-and-fishing contest? You're right. The code is WDC 294. > And while we're still fishing, how about this quote: > > "Speaking of mackerel, there's something FISHY about this!" > "Yeah, it reeks of RED HERRING!" > > (I'm afraid this quote is rather easy to guess, but it's one of > my favourites.) Just a guess. Is it the spring cleaning story (WDC 213), in which Donald uses fishes to mislead the Junior Woodchucks' official bloodhound? --- Dani?l "And this day had started out so BEAUTIFULLY!" (Which story?) From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Wed Jul 9 14:58:06 2003 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 14:58:06 +0200 Subject: Zorro Message-ID: <0DD8055E0FECF744B5FF8053F80C4A2DE759DE@l07.oase.research.kpn.com> Steven Rowe: > > 10169-803 W.D. Zorro #9 - 6712. > these Zorros arent in the inducks? and if not: why not? They are. But maybe not on websites that show old Inducks versions. --Harry. From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Wed Jul 9 15:08:38 2003 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 15:08:38 +0200 Subject: Gary: Where's the Censor? Message-ID: <0DD8055E0FECF744B5FF8053F80C4A2D01193225@l07.oase.research.kpn.com> Gary Leach wrote on April 22nd: > In the upcoming Free Comic Book Day edition of "Majarajah Donald", > there is a single incidence of current "censorship" on Disney's part. > This "correction" was not in the original CBL or in the CBL in Color > album. I'll be interested to see if anyone here can spot it. I'm not > sure I would. I couldn't find it! And I compared the story with the CBL in Color version page by page! --Harry. (BTW: Barry: quintuple thanks!) From dve at kabelfoon.nl Wed Jul 9 15:43:52 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 15:43:52 +0200 Subject: Barks hypnotism and hallucination trivia Message-ID: <20030709132838.94EC619FB78@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Here are the results of the hypnotism and hallucination trivia quizes, so far. - - - - - - - Spotted Barks stories with hypnotism: 0. wild colt story (WDC 59) 1. the littlest chicken thief (WDC 219) 2. the hypno gun (WDC 145) 3. The Swamp of No Return (US 57) 4. Back to Long Ago (US 16) 5. Cave of Ali Baba (US 37) 6. The Lost Peg-leg Mine (DD 52) 7. Adventure Down Under (OS 159) 8. going ape (WDC 91) 9. You Can't Guess! (CP 2) 10. The Thrifty Spendthrift (US 47) 11. dissatisfied snake charmer (US 57) 12. Brain-strain (OS 1184) 13. Ten-Cent Valentine (WDC 258) The answers were sent by: Arie Fachrisal (6); Arthur de Wolf (1); Frank Bubacz (2); Larry Giver (2); Timo Ronkainen (1); Tryg Helseth (1). I hinted at two other stories. One with Scrooge, containing a scene showing hypnotism and a way how to do it. The other story is a Junior Woodchucks story. These stories are: 14. Raven Mad (WDC 265) 15. Music Hath Charms (JW 21) This makes a (sub?)total of 16 Barks stories with hypnotism. - - - - - - - Spotted Barks stories with hallucination, other than by hypnotism: 1. Oddball Odyssey (US 40) 2. King Scrooge the First (US 71) 3. Ten-Cent Valentine (WDC 258) The answers were sent by: Larry Giver (2), Roy Kooijman (1). - - - - - - - --- Dani?l From dve at kabelfoon.nl Wed Jul 9 15:34:04 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 15:34:04 +0200 Subject: P.S. (Geiger counter) Message-ID: <20030709132837.C000D19FB71@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> I wrote: > The story you mean must be the story in which Donald uses a geiger > counter to find the nephews (WDC 184). I meant: The story you mean must be the story in which Donald uses a geiger counter to find the *dirty* nephews (WDC 184). --- Dani?l "And this day had started out so BEAUTIFULLY!" (Which story?) From donrosa at iglou.com Wed Jul 9 18:25:43 2003 From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 12:25:43 -0400 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <200307091239.h69Cdcv22238@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: > From: > Subject: Don: Naples newspaper > Don Rosa, and others interested: > Last March, you were in Naples. The local newspaper there > reported your visit. > Eta Beta translated the newspaper articles into English Cripes. All those newspaper articles about me while I was in Napoli... do you suppose they were all as inaccurate as this one?! I am the father of the Ducks? I will publish comics in America? I said Naples was just as I expected it? I don't talk much? (Nobody could understand English except my wife and Blasco! And Harry. Did they think I could speak Italian and was just keeping quiet?) That reporter wasn't even with me during the events she reports as if first-hand. It reads like I'm the only soul on earth creating Duck comics. I wonder what all those great, great Italian writers & artists think after they read this stuff. I hope they don't blame me for it. Didn't anyone translate the newspaper headline-articles about me after my wife was robbed by a pursesnatcher? Those would be fun to read. (But I imagine the article will claim that I said the pursesnatcher was "just as I expected him" and that I didn't say much when I was chasing him on his motorscooter. Just "STOP THIEF!") By the way, I'm not sure if it's been made quite clear yet -- turkey dressing is, indeed, the stuffing that is cooked inside the turkey while it roasts, and though it can often be very sweet using fruit as one ingredient (there's an infinite number of ways to make stuffing), it is definitely *never* made of custard or of a custard or pudding-like consistency. I'd hate to try to pump a vast turkey cavity full of liquid pudding or figure out how to get it to stay in there, and I don't think the custard/pudding would do well after roasting for 6 or more hours at 400?F or how it would fare with all the turkey's blood & juices mingling into it. Ecch. From longtom at oeste.com.ar Wed Jul 9 20:42:59 2003 From: longtom at oeste.com.ar (Fabio Blanco) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 15:42:59 -0300 Subject: Aunt Gertie? References: <0DD8055E0FECF744B5FF8053F80C4A2DE759DD@l07.oase.research.kpn.com> Message-ID: <002f01c34649$f4801ee0$901520c8@favio> No, but I heard about Tante Lenny... hehehe... dutch jokes from an argentinean guy. What a whacky world!! FABIO on our independence day July 9th. Viva la Patria! > Hi all. > > Has anyone heard of an Aunt Gertie? > She appears in a new Christmas film, and the translator likes to know if she already has a Dutch name from previous appearances. > > Aunt Gertie is a rather fat duck lady. > (I haven't seen the film myself.) > > --Harry. > _______________________________________________ > http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml > From lis- at wp.pl Wed Jul 9 23:28:39 2003 From: lis- at wp.pl (mateusz lis) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 23:28:39 +0200 Subject: Aunt Gertie? In-Reply-To: <0DD8055E0FECF744B5FF8053F80C4A2DE759DD@l07.oase.research.kpn.com> Message-ID: Harry: > Has anyone heard of an Aunt Gertie? >From Gilles' great "Calisota Online" pages: "In the cartoon "Stuck on Christmas", from "Mickey's Once Upon a Christmas", 2000, aunt Gertie comes to Donald's for christmas day, with Huey, Dewey, Louie, Donald, Daisy and Scrooge. Her name is probably a short for "Gertrude". She must be a distant aunt from Gus' side, given her corpulence and her "G" name. " > She appears in a new Christmas film, "Mickey's Twice Upon a Christmas", you mean? > and the translator likes to > know if she already has a Dutch name from previous appearances. He/she should check "Mickey's Once Upon a Christmas" (If it was released in Holland). Best wishes, Mateusz Lis From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Thu Jul 10 09:23:51 2003 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 09:23:51 +0200 Subject: Aunt Gertie? Message-ID: <0DD8055E0FECF744B5FF8053F80C4A2D0119322D@l07.oase.research.kpn.com> Lis: > > Has anyone heard of an Aunt Gertie? > > "In the cartoon "Stuck on Christmas", from "Mickey's Once > Upon a Christmas", 2000, aunt Gertie [..] Thanks for the info! > > and the translator likes to > > know if she already has a Dutch name from previous appearances. > > He/she should check "Mickey's Once Upon a Christmas" (If it > was released in Holland). No, it wasn't released in Holland yet. But it *will* be, next Christmas (probably on DVD). This is the cartoon that the translator is currently translating. --Harry. From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Thu Jul 10 10:10:21 2003 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 10:10:21 +0200 Subject: Voodoo Hoodoo Message-ID: <0DD8055E0FECF744B5FF8053F80C4A2DE759E6@l07.oase.research.kpn.com> Rodney: > Do all US reprintings of Voodoo Hoodoo have the art altered > to avoid any African stereotypes? Yes, they have. > If so, does anyone have > scans comparing the original art as Barks drew it with the > updated art? I don't have scans, but the various Dutch publications are more close to the original. --Harry. From tbbreijer at hotmail.com Thu Jul 10 12:05:53 2003 From: tbbreijer at hotmail.com (T B Breijer) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 12:05:53 +0200 Subject: Aunt Gertie? In-Reply-To: <0DD8055E0FECF744B5FF8053F80C4A2D0119322D@l07.oase.research.kpn.com> Message-ID: Actually "Mickey's once upon a Christmas" was released in the Netherlands a few years ago it is Called "Kerstverhalen van mickey en z'n vriendjes" and she was called "Tante Grettie" Tristan B Breijer tbbreijer at hotmail.com -----Original Message----- From: dcml-bounces at stp.ling.uu.se [mailto:dcml-bounces at stp.ling.uu.se] On Behalf Of H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Sent: donderdag 10 juli 2003 9:24 To: lis- at wp.pl; dcml at stp.ling.uu.se Lis: > > Has anyone heard of an Aunt Gertie? > > "In the cartoon "Stuck on Christmas", from "Mickey's Once Upon a > Christmas", 2000, aunt Gertie [..] Thanks for the info! > > and the translator likes to > > know if she already has a Dutch name from previous appearances. > > He/she should check "Mickey's Once Upon a Christmas" (If it was > released in Holland). No, it wasn't released in Holland yet. But it *will* be, next Christmas (probably on DVD). This is the cartoon that the translator is currently translating. --Harry. _______________________________________________ http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml From M.J.Prior at student.rug.nl Thu Jul 10 12:54:31 2003 From: M.J.Prior at student.rug.nl (M.J. Prior) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 12:54:31 +0200 Subject: Barks quote quiz: fish Message-ID: DANIEL VAN EIJMEREN: >> "Speaking of mackerel, there's something FISHY about >> this!" >> "Yeah, it reeks of RED HERRING!" > Just a guess. Is it the spring cleaning story (WDC 213), > in which Donald uses fishes to mislead the Junior > Woodchucks' official bloodhound? No. The words are indeed uttered by the nephews, though. There isn't actually any fish in this story, (I think). Michiel Prior. From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Thu Jul 10 13:06:48 2003 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 13:06:48 +0200 Subject: Jippes about Barks and Rosa in 1987 Message-ID: <0DD8055E0FECF744B5FF8053F80C4A2DE759E8@l07.oase.research.kpn.com> I recently got a German SPRECHBLASE from 1988 with an interview with Daan Jippes (by Carsten Laqua). There are some interesting things in there that I didn't know yet. The following bits are retranslated to English (the original interview was in English, the published text is German). Daan Jippes about Carl Barks: "Barks is a very private person. When he can choose, he prefers to work alone at home, year after year, without meeting anyone. That is his personality. The story goes that he, when he worked for the studios in the 30s, was very retiring. He never went to other people to sit and have a talk." Daan Jippes about Don Rosa: "A good artist - very dynamic, many big panels, really exciting stuff!" Note that the interview was held in 1987, when Rosa had just started making Disney comic stories. --Harry. From Joakim.Gunnarsson at egmont.se Thu Jul 10 13:13:40 2003 From: Joakim.Gunnarsson at egmont.se (Gunnarsson, Joakim SE - HMJ) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 13:13:40 +0200 Subject: Walt Kelly surprise in #28 Message-ID: <91E2BD72AB8BD3119FFB00508B55F07E0123DAD1@mmahmjd1-xch01.hmj.egmont.com> Readers of the scandinavian weekly can expext a truly rare gem in #28. (Out now!) A 1948 Giveaway Walt Kelly story that I believe never has been reprinted anywhere before. /Joakim Gunnarsson From reimersholme at hotmail.com Thu Jul 10 14:06:44 2003 From: reimersholme at hotmail.com (Stefan Persson) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 14:06:44 +0200 Subject: Walt Kelly surprise in #28 Message-ID: >From: "Gunnarsson, Joakim SE - HMJ" >To: "'dcml at stp.ling.uu.se'" >Subject: Walt Kelly surprise in #28 >Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 13:13:40 +0200 >Readers of the scandinavian weekly can expext a truly rare gem in #28. (Out >now!) >A 1948 Giveaway Walt Kelly story that I believe never has been reprinted >anywhere before. According to Inducks, this weekly reprint is the first known reprint anywhere: W IFG 1-02 4 WKe DD Ice-cream thieves [xapp:DD,HDL] | se: KA2003-28 (Inne i kylan) (Danish and Norwegian issues not yet indexed.) Stefan _________________________________________________________________ Hitta r?tt p? n?tet med MSN S?k http://search.msn.se/ From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Thu Jul 10 14:16:52 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 14:16:52 +0200 Subject: P.S. (Geiger counter) References: <20030709132837.C000D19FB71@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Message-ID: <003001c346dd$25a82880$591efbc1@computer> Hello! Dani?l: >>> The story you mean must be the story in which Donald uses a geiger >> counter to find the *dirty* nephews (WDC 184). Right. Read it again last night. Very funny. The idea is of the nephews hiding in the lamp shade, though, always strikes me as odd. How can they hang in there? Cartoony licence, but still. Here's something worth investigating: Barks' use of such impossible cartoony gags (a character stretching, swallowing something, ...) as opposed to his otherwise "realistic" depictions. Olivier From rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com Thu Jul 10 14:40:17 2003 From: rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com (rodney-selfhelpbikeco@juno.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 12:40:17 GMT Subject: Voodoo Hoodoo Message-ID: <20030710.084023.2567.461124@webmail10.nyc.untd.com> I said: Do all US reprintings of Voodoo Hoodoo have the art altered > to avoid any African stereotypes? Harry said: >Yes, they have. ....which means that I think I need to track down an original copy of FC238. I've seen them around before. They're not *too* tough to come by, and a copy in decent condition is moderately affordable. I don't know why, but I always must have everything in the original way it was presented. I guess I'm a purist. rodney. From ArneVoigtmann at gmx.de Thu Jul 10 14:46:51 2003 From: ArneVoigtmann at gmx.de (Arne Voigtmann) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 14:46:51 +0200 Subject: Need help with German Lo$ In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3517984239.20030710144651@gmx.de> Hello Don. I know that your call for help was about two weeks ago (and I don't know if anyone has answered yet), but I could at least help you out with the first three chapters of Lo$ and the storys "Last Sled to Dawson" and (thanks to Gemstone) "The Dutchman' Secret", because they are the only ones I have got in English. Fortunately there are not many inaccurate translations (especially in the newer storys), but there still are some. So here's what I could find: Lo$ 1: "The Last of the Clan McDuck" --------------------- p. 3: In the original script Swindle tricked Seaform in 1753, in the translation it was 1775. p.8: Maybe not really important, but the price for shoeshining still is five pence in the translation, while it has been changed to 4 pence in the original. p.11: The year 1220, when Swamphole McDuck sealed the dungeons under the castle, isn't mentioned in the translation. Lo$ 2: "The Master of the Mississippi" --------------------- I don't know if it's a real historic ship, but the name of the "River Witch" has been translated into German ("Flusshexe"). p. 9: In the original version Ratchet Gearloose says "Let me know if you see Lily Langtry". This reference has been removed in the translation (surely because nearly nobody knows her in Germany). Lo$ 3: "The Buckaroo of the Badlands" --------------------- p.1: The reference to the "Wabash Cannonball" has been removed in the translation. The old man in the train still says that he had discovered the square eggs. p.5: "Murdo MacKenzie" is written "Murdo McKenzie" in the translation. p.9: In the translatio the dinosaur is dead since 65 million years, in the original version that are 100 mio. years. "Last sled to Dawson": -------------------- p. 3: In the "Micky Maus" weekly the calender at the "Whitehorse Bank" was changed to 1989, in the Don Rosa Album they made it 1889 (in the original version it's 1899). p. 4: In the translation Casey Coot says that Fort Duckburg is situated at the eastern coast (correct would be western coast). p. 5: In the translation $crooge didn't meet with a poet called Robert W. Service, but only recites a poem by "Freddy Flenn". The text has also been changed. Unfortunately I couldn't find a German translation in the internet. It seems as if Service's poetry is not very well known in Germany. p. 11: The "Saloon" on panel 5 has been translated with "Casino". The text on the pedestal of the $crooge statue ("King of the Klondike 1896-1902") has been removed in the translation. p. 28: In the last panel Goldie says in the translation, that the chocolates are from 1898, but in fact $crooge bought them one year later. "The Dutchman's Secret": --------------------- p. 1: The date in "Office supplies, surplus, 1890-1910" has been removed in the translation (but it can sill be read on the cover of the book). p. 2 ff.: "Jacob Waltz" has always been changed to "Jakob Walz" in the translation (but there exist different spellings of his name, I found "Jacob Walz" as well as "Jakob Walts" in the internet). p. 5: The 240 square miles have been changed to 240 square kilometers in the German translation. p. 10: The inscription of "tunnel" and "below" has been mixed up in the translation. p. 13: Donald's nephews talk of an "Anastazi village" in the translation (instead of "Anasazi"). Best regards, Arne. From sgarciab at soluziona.com Thu Jul 10 14:56:04 2003 From: sgarciab at soluziona.com (sgarciab@soluziona.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 14:56:04 +0200 Subject: Barks quiz responses and a new one Message-ID: Michel: > "Speaking of mackerel, there's something FISHY about > this!" > "Yeah, it reeks of RED HERRING!" The old castle's secret. That joke was beatifully translated in the Spanish edition I have. Daniel : >"And this day had started out so BEAUTIFULLY!" >(Which story?) U$ in "The second richest duck"? May I propose this one? (I'm afraid it's too easy): "Beat it, you clammy ragbag! What's the idea?" Which Barks story? Santiago. From hoymurphy at chater.net Thu Jul 10 00:17:15 2003 From: hoymurphy at chater.net (Hoy Murphy) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 18:17:15 -0400 Subject: Glad Rosa's Stories are Back References: <200307091238.h69Cckv22194@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <001c01c34667$db7a3160$0400a8c0@M> Now that Gemstone has brought Disney comics back to the USA, I hope to be able to contribute a bit more to this list. Mostly, I'm glad to get the new Don Rosa stories that have been accumulating over the years. the Dutchman's Secret was a real winner. The running gag about the glue kept getting funnier, and all the background gags kept what could have been a dry historical explanation-type story engaging. Thanks to Don and the folks at Gemstone. --your pal, Hoy Murphy From ault at nersp.nerdc.ufl.edu Thu Jul 10 18:44:41 2003 From: ault at nersp.nerdc.ufl.edu (Donald D. Ault) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 12:44:41 -0400 Subject: Barks and TV References: <200307081502.h68F2jv12013@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <004c01c34702$90868eb0$8bbde380@ault> Regarding the comments about Barks and TV, especially the following: rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com >I have however heard, from actual interviews with Barks that he rarely (if ever) >watched television, preferring instead to read (yes, you can keep up with news events >by picking up the daily newspaper. I do it all of the time!). Considering that he had >little interest in television, it certainly wasn't a priority, and I don't find it hard to >believe that he waited as long as possible before buying a TV set (I assume this is >spoken of in the interview book). . Even though I recently completed editing and publishing the Barks interview book, there was so much information that I had to cut out, it's difficult to remember what was included and what wasn't, but I don't believe this issue came up in the book (note below that I did find one reference), so I thought I should indicate my memory of the situation. I know that by the time Carl had been doing the oil paintings for a while (after 1971), he sometimes seemed irked when I arrived to visit and immediately wanted to see his latest work. He was often engrossed in watching some sports event on TV--football, baseball, golf, etc.--but he'd sort of grumpily get up and show me what was going on in his studio upstairs. Then he'd go back to watching whatever he'd been watching on TV. After this happened a couple of times I waited for him to invite me up to the studio at his convenience. Around 1975 he was able to get a free (or almost free) cable feed from LA with many stations (although he didn't pay for all the stations, he didn't illegally access them either; for some reason they were just available there in Goleta, and he took advantage of having them, primarily to watch sports). I recall he said in a phone conversation we had late in 1997, just before the really bad phase of the lawsuits involving his managers emerged, that he was tired of talking about depressing things and switched the subject to the University of Florida/Florida State football rivalry--a game that was soon coming up on TV ("those guys really hate each other, don't they?"). I think TV sports was a great diversion for him then as it had always been. During my final visit with him in 2000, we often sat around watching golf on TV, and he was complaining because he felt they were spending too much time focusing on the older players, when he wanted to see more of how Tiger Woods was doing. I just remembered PROBABLY the only reference to TV news in the interview book (from a 1999 interview): "I get mad like everybody else at the stupid things people are doing in different parts of the world, but what could I do about it? I couldn't hire an army to go over there and kick somebody's butt. Just have to watch TV and hope we'll get some better news someday." (page 214) Donald Ault Professor of English University of Florida ault at ufl.edu http://www.nwe.ufl.edu/~donault/ From olaf at andebyonline.com Thu Jul 10 22:50:42 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 22:50:42 +0200 Subject: Barks and Grandma/Scrooge Message-ID: <001501c34724$edea5ce0$0900000a@olaftheblue> Saludos caballeros! I was just wondering: Did Barks know that Italians made a sibling relationship between Scrooge and Grandma? If he did, does anyone know what he thought of this? The reason I ask, is that this sibling relationship and Carl Barks' Duck family tree often are used as opposites - but I sometimes wonder if Barks would support this siblinghood if he knew it "existed". I feel that most stories describing the youth of Scrooge and Grandma as siblings are very good, and written in Barksian style, and I can't help suspecting that Barks would have loved these stories, and thus MAYBE even drawn this siblinghood into his unofficial Duck family tree if he knew these stories... ...or I could be COMPLETELY wrong. Well, without anyone helping me out here, I will never know. Best, Olaf the Blue From eega at supereva.it Thu Jul 10 23:07:24 2003 From: eega at supereva.it (Eta Beta) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 23:07:24 +0200 Subject: Don Rosa in Naples on the papers Message-ID: <3EE061E900C1DA6B@vsmtp3.tin.it> (added by postmaster@virgilio.it) DON >Cripes. All those newspaper articles about me while I was in Napoli... do >you suppose they were all as inaccurate as this one?! Yes, generally speaking newspapers don't bother much with accuracy, around here, they want scoops and lots of noise... >I am the father of the Ducks? BIG is the word. "probably the best Disney author these days" wouldn't be BIG enough, "father of the Ducks" is... >I will publish comics in America? Guess I might've been a tad too literal with these translations... I actually meant it to show how bad the original article was in italian already... :-) What they meant here is that your stories would soon be published in the States again, not that you would be the publisher yourself. >I said Naples was just as I expected it? I don't talk much? As far as I can tell, neither Barks ever said "it's all different", and we know he was well documented himself... >Didn't anyone translate the newspaper headline-articles about me after my >wife was robbed by a pursesnatcher? Those would be fun to read. I've heard that appeared in newspapers, but didn't have a chance to read it myself. The incident was reported faithfully in a comics magazine, though, as you know. That said, I must make clear that these translation I did were from the *local*, Naples only, section of "Repubblica", which is one of the most important italian papers and which, in the nationwide section, every now and then offers serious, decent and well documented articles about comics and authors. It's just that the local crews are... well, limited... Here's an anecdote from the local paper here, from Trieste (that's a "whole" local paper, not a section). Months ago we celebrated 70 years of Disney comics in Italy, and this paper, "Il Piccolo" (The Small One), headlined in its first page "70 years of Disney comics in Italy : A success born in Trieste !" If you bothered to read the actual article inside, which not many people seem to do these days, you'd realize the main connection between Disney comics and Trieste is that the *brother* of Giove Toppi, who drew a few Mickey strips in the early 30s, had lived in Trieste for a few years, and no less than TWO current italian Disney artists were born there... :-) What really bugs me is they insist on calling this "information"... Cheers! Eta Beta From fernandopventura at uol.com.br Fri Jul 11 01:14:15 2003 From: fernandopventura at uol.com.br (Fernando Ventura) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 20:14:15 -0300 Subject: French Story Doubt Message-ID: <001301c34738$fd55b8a0$8aa0fea9@usuario> Hi, The brazilian publisher asked me more details about the creators of this french story (he need the informations to publish the credits): ? fjm02235c - LeBornec/Comicup - Gonzalez The entire name of the creators will be great! :-) Fernando! From bangfish at comcast.net Fri Jul 11 03:11:20 2003 From: bangfish at comcast.net (Gary Leach) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:11:20 -0400 Subject: FCBD "censorship" In-Reply-To: <200307101102.h6AB2Cv04477@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <947BC924-B33C-11D7-A2E0-000393C28E48@comcast.net> > Gary Leach wrote on April 22nd: > >> In the upcoming Free Comic Book Day edition of "Majarajah Donald", >> there is a single incidence of current "censorship" on Disney's part. >> This "correction" was not in the original CBL or in the CBL in Color >> album. I'll be interested to see if anyone here can spot it. I'm not >> sure I would. > > I couldn't find it! And I compared the story with the CBL in Color > version page by page! > > --Harry. Harry, you're a trooper. If you'd like to have another go, here's Hint 1) - it's in the dialogue. Gary From stratocruiser at cox.net Fri Jul 11 06:14:57 2003 From: stratocruiser at cox.net (Carey Furlong) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:14:57 -0700 Subject: Barks quote quiz In-Reply-To: <200307101103.h6AB3Qv05135@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: > --- Danikl Wrote: > > "And this day had started out so BEAUTIFULLY!" > (Which story?) The Money Champ, US 27, page 2, panel 8; McDuck and Glomgold hauled away in a net to face the judge, for brawling about who is the richest. The disgusted look on both ducks faces is hilarious. Carey Furlong From Anthvvuono at aol.com Fri Jul 11 06:47:59 2003 From: Anthvvuono at aol.com (Anthvvuono@aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 00:47:59 EDT Subject: Blackheart Beagle's Age Message-ID: <16b.214f4d1b.2c3f9b7f@aol.com> How old is Blackheart Beagle? I say over 100 years old by 1952. When Scrooge and Blackheart first met, Blackheart was a father already with grown children of his own. For a man who could possibly be around 110 (my guess), he sure is a formidable opponent to Scrooge as in Don Rosa's "A Little Something Special." Scrooge himself is pretty advanced in age as well and can still kick butt! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030711/82370c95/attachment.html From are.myklebust at f1101.aetat.no Fri Jul 11 08:45:24 2003 From: are.myklebust at f1101.aetat.no (Myklebust,Are) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 08:45:24 +0200 Subject: Taliaferro / Karp - making a great in-joke in 1942 Message-ID: Hi! In the "Donald Duck" Sunday page from March 1, 1942 I discovered some time ago there was a great in-joke made by Al Taliaferro and/or Bob Karp. The gag in the page goes like this; Donald is having his dog Bolivar stealing bones from the dogs owned by his neighbours during the night. His plan is the sell all this bones the next morning (it's wartime you know). But next morning all the angry dogs are standing outside Donald's house eager to get their bones back. So what's the in-joke? If you watch closely the mailboxes to the persons living in the neighbourhood you will find the following names: Young (= Chic Young, "Blondie") Knerr (= Harold H. Knerr, "The Katzenjammer Kids") McManus (= George McManus, "Bringing Up Father") Winner (= Doc Winner, filled in on different KFS comics in the Hearst press.) All these guys was great comic strip artists which had their strips distributed by King Features Syndicate (KFS). Perhaps this was some kind of homage to them from Taliaferro/ Karp? So in the final panel in this Sunday page - all the angry dogs waiting for Donald outside his house - are dogs from those comic strips! At least you can see Blondie and Dagwood's dog! Unfortunately I don't have any copy or scan of this Sunday page! So if someone could help - at least with a scan of the last panel - that would be great! Best, Are Myklebust From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Fri Jul 11 11:23:00 2003 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 11:23:00 +0200 Subject: French Story Message-ID: <0DD8055E0FECF744B5FF8053F80C4A2DE759EF@l07.oase.research.kpn.com> Fernando: > fjm02235c - LeBornec/Comicup - Gonzalez > > The entire name of the creators will be great! :-) Didier le Bornec. Gonzalez (he works for the Comicup studio in Barcelona): we don't know his first name... --Harry. From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Fri Jul 11 11:26:37 2003 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 11:26:37 +0200 Subject: Don Rosa in Naples on the papers Message-ID: <0DD8055E0FECF744B5FF8053F80C4A2D01193249@l07.oase.research.kpn.com> Eta Beta: > > my wife was robbed by a pursesnatcher > > I've heard that appeared in newspapers, but didn't have a chance > to read it myself. The incident was reported faithfully in a > comics magazine, though, as you know. Which comics magazine is that? --Harry. From dve at kabelfoon.nl Fri Jul 11 13:02:39 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:02:39 +0200 Subject: Stuffing, dressing, and custard guns Message-ID: <20030711104727.BD2F7BEA3D@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> KRITON KYRIMIS to me, 09-07-2003: >> Does Donald's final comment "Have some more dressing, boys!", in >> the custard gun story (WDC 183), have anything to do with the >> custard in the story? Or is there another joke in that comment, >> if any at all? > I think it was simply meant as "enjoy your meal, boys", similar to > "have another peanut" in "Christmas on Bear Mountain". I didn't think of this connection. Scrooge's peanut comment in "Christmas on Bear Mountain" (OS 178) was also one that made me wonder if there was something more to be read between the lines. I only know English as a foreign language. Sometimes I learn of a double meaning which I didn't see at all. And sometimes I expect a double meaning when there simply isn't any. > I'm sure you've had dinner at some relative who would not be convinced > that you had eaten enough if you'd only had one helping! No. This was not the case. I only meant that the dinner was different than what I was used to. I never (or rarely) ate cranberries and pumpkin before, for example. Dutch food is rather basic. And the Dutch people know it. So, I'm glad with all the import of foreign ingredients and recepies. DON ROSA, 09-07-2003: > By the way, I'm not sure if it's been made quite clear yet -- turkey > dressing is, indeed, the stuffing that is cooked inside the turkey > while it roasts, and though it can often be very sweet using fruit as > one ingredient (there's an infinite number of ways to make stuffing), > it is definitely *never* made of custard or of a custard or pudding-like > consistency. The same type of food can differ from country to country. Even the same brands can have different ingredients and flavours. Dutch custard may be different from USA custard, for example. So, that's why I was asking if something like that could be the case in the custard gun story, trying to figure out a double meaning which (as Kriton explains) doesn't seem to be there. > I'd hate to try to pump a vast turkey cavity full of liquid pudding or > figure out how to get it to stay in there, and I don't think the > custard/pudding would do well after roasting for 6 or more hours at > 400?F or how it would fare with all the turkey's blood & juices mingling > into it. Ecch. Yes, you're right. Er... I see it's lunch-time, now. But reading this, I'm not very hungry anymore. So, I get what you mean. :-) --- Dani?l From dve at kabelfoon.nl Fri Jul 11 12:57:22 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:57:22 +0200 Subject: Barks quote quiz Message-ID: <20030711104726.CEBD3BEA39@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> SANTIAGO to me, 10-07-2003: >> "And this day had started out so BEAUTIFULLY!" >> (Which story?) > U$ in "The second richest duck"? That's the right answer. (US 27) This is a story which I couldn't read fully for a long time, as a kid, having only the first part of the Dutch reprint. So, I was always curious how this story with those big money piles would end. > May I propose this one? Yes, of course! > (I'm afraid it's too easy): > "Beat it, you clammy ragbag! What's the idea?" > Which Barks story? Easy??? Did you say easy??? (Snarl! Grumble!) On second thought, I don't think you should propose quotes. :-) --- Dani?l From mas at nic.nu Fri Jul 11 21:30:02 2003 From: mas at nic.nu (mas) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:30:02 -0400 Subject: Barks paintings at World's Fair of Money Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.1.20030711152342.02bd0528@216.133.64.14> I don't know if this is relevant to the list or not, but I thought it interesting. This came from an "American Numismatic Association" announcement. I don't want to post the whole thing (it's a bit long) but here are the $crooge related portions: > AMERICAN NUMISMATIC ASSOCIATION > > The Million Dollar Nickels Everyone's Seeking, > Scrooge McDuck and $100,000 Bills in Baltimore > > It won't cost a cent to see once-in-a-lifetime billion dollar > display during World's Fair of Money(R), July 30 - August 3, 2003 > > > (Baltimore, MD)--Four rare, 1913 Liberty Head nickels with a combined > value of $10 million will be publicly displayed together for the first > time since 1920 during the World's Fair of Money(R), in the Baltimore > Convention Center, 1 West Pratt Street, July 30 through August 3, 2003. > In conjunction with the show, a reward of at least $1 million > recently was announced for a missing fifth specimen of the famous coin. > But it won't cost a cent to see multi-million dollar nickels; > genuine $100,000 denomination bills; $3 million display of original > Scrooge McDuck money-related art work and a billion dollars worth of > other colorful coins and paper money exhibits. The World's Fair of Money > is free and open to the public. (eight paragraphs snipped) > There also will be a $3 million collection of 12 original artworks by > Carl Barks depicting Disney's Scrooge McDuck in money-related scenes, > exhibited by Diamond International Galleries of Timonium, Maryland. While > quantities last, young collectors can obtain a free, limited edition > Uncle Scrooge comic book certified by Comics Guaranty Corporation (CGC). (three more paragraphs snipped) If you want to read the whole thing, drop me an email and I'll send it to you. More info about the Fair, visit http://www.money.org/conventiondept.html - Mark From acsive at mail.mira.dk Fri Jul 11 19:58:44 2003 From: acsive at mail.mira.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Anders_Christian_Siveb=E6k?=) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:58:44 +0200 Subject: Reactions to DCML vol. 3 issue 20 (May) Message-ID: <017901c347f3$65e223d0$610146d4@hovedcentral> Hi all I decided to read my dcml-mails from the last couple of months - so more reactions might come - but here's one. Mon, 12 May 2003 19:05:20 Mr. Prior wrote: >Scrooge may meet actual historical persons like Czar >Nicholas II and John Jacob Astor (both died under awful >circumstances) and yet he doesn't seem to live in a world >where Auschwitz has happened. I don't agree - in the world Don Rosa depicts, where Scrooge meets Nicolas II and Astor, why wouldn't Auschwitz have taken place there, as awful an event as it, and what happened in all other camps at the time were? I'm not sure I would want Don or another artist to draw a story like this - after all many readers are kids, and there are other ways to find out about these events than duck comics .. ? But surely WWII has taken place in the world the ducks I prefer to read about live - We've seen spies, we've seen Mein Kampf lying on a garbage area and so on. Even though it hasn't been described, it doesn't meen it hasn't taken place. I just finished reading Donald Aults "Carl Barks Conversations" and Barks once said that of course Gladstone existed before he was in the first story - there was a whole town of people, and chrecters would be shown when he needed them. Remember that The Ducks where in Viet Nam? In a world where Titanic sank, the Russian revolution took place and later the Viet Nam war - why would WWII have taken place? Michael also wropte: > Try and compare Donald and Scrooge to Vladek > Spiegelman. Sigvald replies >Vladek who? I guess that character is not well known in Norway. The artist Art Spiegelman made a comic where he depicts his parents, who were in Auschwitz, as mice - but mice that looks more than humans than scrooge does. Sigvald, you should read the comic - and so should I, but luckily I knew about it. Sigvald wrote, in the same reply: >This is *not* entirely correct. WW2 is indeed mentioned as >"The big war" in Don Rosa's "Return to Plain Awful". Are you sure the biog war was WWII there? I remember it is mentioned, and then the indian fellow asks: there has been 2?? All for now from me -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have the story in danish and swedish, no name there - but remember we've had danes writing and drawing stories for years. - you are the first one in many years. BTW I hope one of you norwegian friends have thought of me on the issue with that story? >No, I'm not. The editors like Don Rosa, plus I guess they feel that putting >his name on front pages would SELL more. (I hope no publishers reading this >are offended.) It's simply a fact. I have just been in Sweden - and I will tell about it here eventually - and in every comic shop I went to, the name Don Rosa made a used issue of Kalle Anka be worth 5 times as much as one without. Even 5 times as much as one with a story by old CARL. These conditions are absolutely insane, but true. As a result of those prises my swedish Rosa-collection is still incomplete - it could have been complete if I had used another 700 kr on 28 issues... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Anyone interested, please email me in private at martino at olsen.tdcadsl.dk Martin From eega at supereva.it Sat Jul 12 00:28:09 2003 From: eega at supereva.it (Eta Beta) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 00:28:09 +0200 Subject: Name the dogs! Message-ID: <3EE0613200E187B9@vsmtp2.tin.it> (added by postmaster@virgilio.it) Hi Are! >In the "Donald Duck" Sunday page from March 1, 1942 I discovered some time >ago there was a great in-joke made by Al Taliaferro and/or Bob Karp. Hey, that's a great find... I never noticed. Here's the whole sunday, rather largish to allow better reading of the names (500+ Kb) : http://www.eega.net/misc/zd_42_03_01.jpg And for those who are in a hurry, here's just the dogs, enlarged a bit more : http://www.eega.net/misc/dogs.jpg >Winner (= Doc Winner, filled in on different KFS comics in the Hearst >press.) Most noticeably, I guess, on Popeye (dunno much about Doc Winner, I must admit). >Perhaps this was some kind >of homage to them from Taliaferro/ Karp? I guess there's very little doubt, me... >So in the final panel in this Sunday page - all the angry dogs waiting for >Donald outside his house - are dogs from those comic strips! At least you >can see Blondie and Dagwood's dog! Daisy, center stage (another joke? :-) And I can recognize Jiggs & Maggie's, too, the small black one on the far right, and I'm also sure I've seen the large grey dog on the left, somewhere... Here's a new fun quiz... name the dogs ;-) Cheers! Eta Beta From frankbubacz at hotmail.com Sat Jul 12 01:15:18 2003 From: frankbubacz at hotmail.com (Frank Bubacz) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 01:15:18 +0200 Subject: Name the dogs! Message-ID: Haha, that's exactly the stuff that gets my attention! I guess most people know Daisy, and I also could identify the dachshund in the bottom left corner: it's Schnappsy out of Knerr's strip "Dinglehofer und his dog". http://www.geocities.com/~jimlowe/knerr/knerrdex.html I'll try to find out the others! Frank _________________________________________________________________ MSN Groups & Chat - Freunde finden - leicht gemacht http://groups.msn.com/people/ From sigvald at duckburg.dk Sat Jul 12 05:17:23 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 4:17:23 +0100 Subject: Insane Swedes Message-ID: <200307120217.h6C2HOrN025399@webmail.dht.dk> wrote: > It's simply a fact. I have just been in Sweden > and in every comic shop I went to, the name > Don Rosa made a used issue of Kalle Anka > be worth 5 times as much as one without. > Even 5 times as much as one with a story by > old CARL. These conditions are absolutely > insane, but true. As a result of those prises > my swedish Rosa-collection is still incomplete > - it could have been complete if I had used > another 700 kr on 28 issues... Our social democrat neighbours showing their true capitalist identity? If Don Rosa is so da**ed important over there why have they seen less Don Rosa stories in print than in Denmark and in Norway? Anyway IMO NAFS(K) should try to do something with the insane situation in the Swedish used comics market. Sigvald From sigvald at duckburg.dk Sat Jul 12 05:25:57 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 4:25:57 +0100 Subject: About going to Europe Message-ID: <200307120225.h6C2PvCS027663@webmail.dht.dk> Don Rosa wrote: > Cripes. All those newspaper articles about me > while I was in Napoli... do you suppose they > were all as inaccurate as this one?! I am the > father of the Ducks? I will publish comics in > America? I said Naples was just as I expected > it? I don't talk much? (Nobody could understand > English except my wife and Blasco! And Harry. > Did they think I could speak Italian and was > just keeping quiet?)... Didn't anyone translate > the newspaper headline-articles about me after > my wife was robbed by a pursesnatcher? May I suggest that you go to Sacandinavia next time you bring your wife Ann with you to Europe. At least here people can speak English and pursesnatchers are much fewer than in Napoli. Sigvald From sigvald at duckburg.dk Sat Jul 12 05:30:09 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 4:30:09 +0100 Subject: SV: Walt Kelly surprise in #28 Message-ID: <200307120230.h6C2U9oB027671@webmail.dht.dk> wrote: > Readers of the scandinavian weekly can expext > a truly rare gem in #28. (Out now!) > A 1948 Giveaway Walt Kelly story that I believe > never has been reprinted anywhere before. Well, I am sure that serious readers as AC Siveb?k, Thomas Lauritsen and S?ren Krarup Olesen much rather would prefer to see a classic like "Cash Flow" that has NOT YET seen print in Denmark and Sweden. Sigvald From sigvald at duckburg.dk Sat Jul 12 05:35:44 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 4:35:44 +0100 Subject: SV: Blackheart Beagle's Age Message-ID: <200307120235.h6C2Ziwb027682@webmail.dht.dk> Anthvvuono at aol.com wrote: > How old is Blackheart Beagle? I say over 100 > years old by 1952. When Scrooge and Blackheart > first met, Blackheart was a father already with > grown children of his own. For a man who could > possibly be around 110 (my guess), he sure is > a formidable opponent to Scrooge as in Don > Rosa's "A Little Something Special." Scrooge > himself is pretty advanced in age as well and > can still kick butt! Assuming that Blackheart's sons are 18 in 1880 (born in 1862) and that they was born while Blackheart himself was 18 then he was born in 1844 - being 108 in 1952. But just relax - "A Little Something Special" is a typichal fictional anniversary story - according to the Barks chronology Flintheart Glomgold and Magica de Spell didn't apear in Duckburg until later. Sigvald From sigvald at duckburg.dk Sat Jul 12 05:39:12 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 4:39:12 +0100 Subject: A journey to Duckburg Message-ID: <200307120239.h6C2dCke027687@webmail.dht.dk> Hi all! Once I got some scans of a nice article "A journey to Duckburg" about the top-meeting between CB and DR in 1998: http://duckman.pettho.com/drinfo/page2.html http://duckman.pettho.com/drinfo/page2.html Can anyone here please tell me in what magazine and in ehat issue that article saw print? Sigvald :-) From xephyr at cwnet.com Sat Jul 12 04:57:40 2003 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 18:57:40 -0800 Subject: Aunt Gertie? Message-ID: <3F0F7924.8080302@cwnet.com> For Harry (and anyone else interested) here's a picture of Aunt Gertie: http://users.cwnet.com/xephyr/ART/Gertie.gif Rich From longtom at oeste.com.ar Sat Jul 12 06:01:37 2003 From: longtom at oeste.com.ar (Fabio Blanco) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 01:01:37 -0300 Subject: GEMSTONES italian comics? Message-ID: <000201c3482a$f9700400$6b1520c8@favio> Somebody know if one of the Disney comics from Gemstone will be dedicated to current italian comics? Are not my favorites and these new editions are a bit expensive. I have no problem with people like Scarpa, but I am not a fan of the current italian style... thanks, FABIO bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030712/ade060a3/attachment.html From donrosa at iglou.com Sat Jul 12 09:05:20 2003 From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 03:05:20 -0400 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 15 In-Reply-To: <200307120324.h6C3O7v14987@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: > From: "Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr." >>>>If Don Rosa is so da**ed important over there why have they seen less Don Rosa stories in print than in Denmark and in Norway? First, you criticize the Swedish editors because they don't print my long stories that have never been broken into chapters by the central division of Egmont which supplies the material, stories that Sweden *can't* print because they do not publish the supplemental extra issues which can contain such long stories like Denmark and Norway do. >>>>>Anyway IMO NAFS(K) should try to do something with the insane situation in the Swedish used comics market. Next you criticize my friends at NAFS(k) because... what?... they don't seize control of the Swedish government and impose some sort of cultural dictatorship on the entire nation? >>>>May I suggest that you go to Sacandinavia next time you bring your wife Ann with you to Europe. At least here people can speak English and pursesnatchers are much fewer than in Napoli. Next, you move on, and, for no apparent reason, you insult Naples in particular and Italy in general (as opposed to a single reporter who might have been at fault or merely not quoted with perfect accuracy). >>>>Well, I am sure that serious readers as AC Sivebfk, Thomas Lauritsen and Sxren Krarup Olesen much rather would prefer to see a classic like "Cash Flow" that has NOT YET seen print in Denmark and Sweden. Next, for no apparent reason, you insult anyone who prefers the work of Walt Kelly to a hack like me; Walt Kelly, one of history's greatest cartoonists, far more accomplished, well-known and respected than even Carl Barks. And you put this same criticism into the innocent mouths of three other people. Sigvald... have you ever considered the idea of the LURK mode? From olaf at andebyonline.com Sat Jul 12 11:24:30 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 11:24:30 +0200 Subject: Walt Kelly surprise in #28 References: <200307120230.h6C2U9oB027671@webmail.dht.dk> Message-ID: <002c01c34857$66614070$0900000a@olaftheblue> JOAKIM GUNNARSON: > Readers of the scandinavian weekly can expext > a truly rare gem in #28. (Out now!) > A 1948 Giveaway Walt Kelly story that I believe > never has been reprinted anywhere before. > SIGVALD GR?SFJELD JR.: > Well, I am sure that serious readers as AC Siveb?k, Thomas Lauritsen and > S?ren Krarup Olesen much rather would prefer to see a classic like "Cash > Flow" that has NOT YET seen print in Denmark and Sweden. > First: Please be more specific. Since this is you, I ASSUME you're talking about "Cash Flow" by Don Rosa... That's not the only story by that name, you know. But it seems obvious to me that you are talking about AR 106 "Cash Flow" here (not about D 96446 "Cash Flow"), because you a) call it a classic - well, in my opinion it's not, at least not yet, a classic. Still, it's older than D 96446, and as D 96446 is a one-pager, I doubt too many would call it a classic. At least yet. b) say it's not published in Sweden and Denmark, which D 96446 is. c) are Sigvald. Now when that is said, on to my comment. I ASSUME that you have spoken to Anders Christian Siveb?k, Thomas Pryds Lauritsen and S?ren Krarup Olesen about this, since you are so sure? Well, if that's the view of you serious readers, let me report the case from the point of view of one unserious reader - me (as the individual I am, I can't talk for anyone but myself). First: Let me say, I think it's FABULOUS by Egmont to reprint this. Walt Kelly is loved by many, and as this story NEVER has been reprinted ANYWHERE before, since it was GIVEN AWAY to customers by an ice cream parlor in _1948_, the reprint value is HIGH in my heart! Second: The Scandinavian weekly is reprinting a Don Rosa story NEXT WEEK. Why would they print Don Rosa stories in two issues in a row? Third: In my opinion, "Cash Flow" is not a classic. Well, and certainly not compaired to a Kelly story. Fourth: You use as an argument that "Cash Flow" has not been printed in Sweden or Denmark. Well, neither has this Kelly story. It hasn't been published ANYWHERE outside the US of A - and there only in an ice cream shop, 55 years ago. It hasn't been published in Norway before either, you know. Fifth: Many Norwegians would probably find use of "Cash Flow" here strange, as that story was printed not too many years ago. But maybe in a few years? Well, but don't listen to me. As you already have stated: I, Joakim Gunnarson, Don Rosa and others liking the work of Kelly are unserious readers - in contradiction to serious readers like you, Anders Christian, Thomas and S?ren, who would prefer it if Walt Kelly stories were not printed at all, but left out to leave room for classic - like ten year old Don Rosa stories. Best, Olaf the Blue unserious reader PS - to your other mails, Sigvald: Donald Duck magazines containing Don Rosa stories are extra expensive used in Norway too - and I understand it. People is willing to do anything to get them - so other people sell them to the highest price possible. The reason is simple: THERE ARE PEOPLE WILLING TO PAY THESE PRICES That's the rules of buying and selling. When people want something, SELL IT EXPENSIVE From mdevery at netspace.net.au Sat Jul 12 12:50:30 2003 From: mdevery at netspace.net.au (Mike Devery) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 20:50:30 +1000 Subject: dogs: boom beagle? In-Reply-To: <200307120324.h6C3OBv14991@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20030712205003.00a37700@pop.netspace.net.au> Hi all, speaking of dogs, does Boom Beagle, a character associated with the Beagle Boys, wear a top with the number "64" on it? Mike. From thomas at duckburg.dk Sat Jul 12 13:06:56 2003 From: thomas at duckburg.dk (Thomas Pryds Lauritsen) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:06:56 +0200 Subject: SV: Walt Kelly surprise in #28 In-Reply-To: <200307120230.h6C2U9oB027671@webmail.dht.dk> References: <200307120230.h6C2U9oB027671@webmail.dht.dk> Message-ID: <3F0FEBD0.1010805@duckburg.dk> Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr. wrote: > wrote: >>Readers of the scandinavian weekly can expext >>a truly rare gem in #28. (Out now!) >>A 1948 Giveaway Walt Kelly story that I believe >>never has been reprinted anywhere before. > > Well, I am sure that serious readers as AC Siveb?k, Thomas Lauritsen and > S?ren Krarup Olesen much rather would prefer to see a classic like "Cash > Flow" that has NOT YET seen print in Denmark and Sweden. I'm not sure what makes you think of me as a "serious reader," but please don't try to express my opinions publically, especially when you haven't discussed them with me. I *would* like to see AR 106 "Cash Flow" printed in Denmark, yes, but that doesn't mean that I am not also very happy to see this Walt Kelly four-pager in print -- especially now, when I'm told that it hasn't been published anywhere in the world, except in a now very rare(?) American issue. From a personal point of view, I have already read and own AR 106 in English, so this story is not new to me, whereas the Walt Kelly story is. Having said that, my guess is that Egmont will publish AR 106 "Cash Flow" at some point. Next week they will be printing another one of Don Rosa's earlier stories, D 90147 "On Stolen Time" for the second time, and they have done so with other Don Rosa stories lately. So when the times comes for AR 106, it will just be a reprint in Norway and a first print in Denmark. Any why D 90147 next week and not AR 106? I don't know, but possible reasons are that in Scandinavia (in this case i.e. Norway), D 90147 (1991) was originally published before AR 106 (1992) and that AR 106 has the double amount of pages as does D 90147 so perhaps it wouldn't fit into next week's issue. But these are only my guesses, of course. Thomas From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sat Jul 12 13:30:03 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:30:03 +0200 Subject: A Little Something Special / A journey to Duckburg Message-ID: <20030712111442.CBFAB19FB47@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> SIGVALD GROSFJELD to ANTHVVUONO, 12-07-2003: > But just relax - "A Little Something Special" is a typichal > fictional anniversary story - according to the Barks chronology > Flintheart Glomgold and Magica de Spell didn't apear in Duckburg > until later. In that case, every Rosa-story with Magica would be "fictional". Magica was created in the 1960s. In Don Rosa's universe, Flintheart and Magica have met Scrooge long before the 1960s. And Flintheart even appears in the Lo$. This would make the Lo$ "fictional", too. I don't understand why you mention the "Barks chronology" to make Rosa's "A Little Something Special" a typical fictional anniversary story, while that "Barks chronology" would not count for other Rosa stories which are also fictional according to that same reasoning. Maybe you just meant that *you* find "A Little Something Special" a fictional story? SIGVALD GROSFJELD, 12-07-2003: > Once I got some scans of a nice article "A journey to Duckburg" about > the top-meeting between CB and DR in 1998: You mentioned the same URL twice. I think these are the URLs you meant instead: http://duckman.pettho.com/drinfo/page1.html http://duckman.pettho.com/drinfo/page2.html > Can anyone here please tell me in what magazine and in ehat issue > that article saw print? My comics archive is still a mess after having moved last year, so I can't check. I believe this was an article in one of the last Gladstone comics, somewhere in 1998 or 1999. --- Dani?l PS. Sigvald, I find your other emails insulting. So, I want to recommend you: please don't make the same mistakes over again. From sigvald at duckburg.dk Sat Jul 12 16:38:41 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 15:38:41 +0100 Subject: A Little Something Special / A journey to Duckburg Message-ID: <200307121338.h6CDcfEe028377@webmail.dht.dk> Daniel van Eijmeren wrote: > And Flintheart even appears in the Lo$. This > would make the Lo$ "fictional", too. No, if you had bothered to check Don's comments to that particular chapter you would have known that there is *no* contradiction to Barks there. To make it fit with Barks $crooge doesn't learn Flintheart's name by then. Sigvald From ggk at wp.pl Sat Jul 12 15:55:57 2003 From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 15:55:57 +0200 Subject: Blackheart Beagle's Age References: <200307120235.h6C2Ziwb027682@webmail.dht.dk> Message-ID: <004f01c3487d$52144d80$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8> > Assuming that Blackheart's sons are 18 in 1880 (born in 1862) and that they > was born while Blackheart himself was 18 then he was born in 1844 - being > 108 in 1952. But just relax - "A Little Something Special" is a typichal > fictional anniversary story - according to the Barks chronology Flintheart > Glomgold and Magica de Spell didn't apear in Duckburg until later. > Did "The Beagle Boys V.S. The Money Bin" is Fictional to? (Blackheart aperd in it to) And hou sed he have kids wen he was 18? He coud have theam wen he was 17 or 16. Yours Maciek From acsive at mail.mira.dk Sat Jul 12 15:27:42 2003 From: acsive at mail.mira.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Anders_Christian_Siveb=E6k?=) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 15:27:42 +0200 Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 5, Issue 15 References: <200307120324.h6C3OBv14991@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <001801c3487e$645b2580$6c0146d4@hovedcentral> Hi all Sigvald: Insane Swedes Now that's crossing the line, but I almost see what you mean. > Our social democrat neighbours showing their true capitalist identity? I guess so - but really, it's just a showing of how the rules of supply and demand work. I'm sure if you had a comicshop and you knew you could sell these comics for 5 times as much as the usual ones, then you would - I would... But also: I would give discounts to persons who buy a lot of comics, who show that they are fans. The owner of Seriegrossisten in Stockholm, a shop that was recommended to me by friends on the swedish ankism-list took 750 kroner for a stack of comics that we both counted up to 945. It included the Live of Scrooge in swedish - 600 kroner - one could say I got it for 400. It sells at some shops for 1000 up there... Now that's realy supply and demand - for Pete's sake the book is only 7 years old... I got you, Sigvald a copy of it, at the price of a new one at a comic shop i Copenhagen... But yes, Don sells - look to the finns, whenever there is a Rosa-story in Aku Ankka, as far as I can see the price would go up a few markka, and now euroes. They now they will sell the whole bunch anyway, cause we insane completists will buy it nomatter what - eh? > If Don Rosa is so da**ed important over there why have they seen less Don > Rosa stories in print than in Denmark and in Norway? They have adifferent publishing policy - many percent of the issues of KA go to subscribers, it can even be seen on the back of the comic where there's room for name and adress. That means they don't have to sell as much on the stands - thus they don't have extra issues so often, like we have in DK and Norway with Rosa or Barks-stories. This has shown good for me, as I have found friendly swap-mates because of this. Anyone still needing Columbus, King Scrooge or The Duck who never was? Oops sorry, this is not the place... :-) > Anyway IMO NAFS(K) should try to do something with the insane situation in > the Swedish used comics market. I don't think they can - one librarian I talked to for a while did agree with an old comic-shop-owner I met earlier that it might be the collectors who bring the prices up - as they overbid eachother - the collectors they most mentioned were the ones from Seriefr?mjandet - any of you here? BTW I hope my american friends here are enjoying the duck comics back in the states. I saw some on the stands, but as I already have an agreement on the first US-issues with the Dutchmam I didn't buy. I think I'll buy the next ones from Fantask, the oldest comic shop in Copenhagen, and most possibly one of the best too :-) So I wont bring any of you to drewl when i tell you about this summer in our danish weekly - but it sure has been fine. Every summer the pagecount is enlarged to 96 (from 64) making room for extra long, extra great stories. Issue 27 was the first of these. It had The Menehune Mystery by Barks, this story was printed in a goldbook that I don't have, so I was delighteds to see this. (I decided to finally collect these goldbooks now, they have Barks classics all over them.) Also in issue 27 second part of a new series (Mythic island or something like that?) starring Mickey and Goofy, whereas the first part starred the ducks. I'm looking forward to see next part - in issue 30. Issue 28 has the unabridged version of a fine Marco Rota-story - it's been published two times before but then cut. (BTW I know this from the swedish edition - the danish one forgets to tell... and I start to wonder if I'm the only one who cares about such info??) the extra pages also contains a very old comic with Goofy, drawn by Wilfred Haughton - last time I saw anything like it was at David Gerstein's - did you have a finger here, Gerstein, my friend? Issue 29 - Let me exclamate: Hooray! The reason isn't the republication of Don's On Stolen time, no, finally they print Don's old drawings (from Gary Leach's story) Fiscal fitness (AR 118). These two pages can just make the day of a Rosa-completist like me. Now I only need to get my hands on the swedish edition, as Sigvald promissed to buy the norwegian one for me (remember a copy for yourself, friend). I hope the author and artist get this publication, but if not I'll be glad to see to it. That's all from me for now - Happy Quacking and all that Yours delurking AC From sigvald at duckburg.dk Sat Jul 12 17:14:24 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 16:14:24 +0100 Subject: Blackheart Beagle's Age Message-ID: <200307121414.h6CEEOFb028429@webmail.dht.dk> Maciek wrote: > Is "The Beagle Boys V.S. The Money Bin" > Fictional to? (Blackheart aperd in it) Probably not, at least it doesn't contradict Barks' chronology. > And hou sed he have kids wen he was 18? > He coud have theam wen he was 17 or 16. This is Disney comics in where moral is very important. So my guess is that people won't have children before they are married. AFAIK to be married people must be 18, at least in the western world. Sigvald From sigvald at duckburg.dk Sat Jul 12 17:22:43 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 16:22:43 +0100 Subject: Cash Flow Message-ID: <200307121422.h6CEMhSV028449@webmail.dht.dk> Hi all! As my recent comments concerning the Walt Kelly Surprise vs Don Rosa's "Cash Flow" has caused some unwanted turbulence I will here give a friendly explanation for my reaction so that this doesn't cause further turbulence: When I recently saw that Don Rosa's "On Stolen Time" was to be republished as "Sommer-lesning" I immediately decided to address DCML in order to friendly ask our friends at Egmont like David Gerstein, why they seem to keep ignoring the fact that Don Rosa's "Cash Flow" has not yet seen print in Denmark (and Sweden). However before I came that long I saw the notion about the Walt Kelly surprise and decided to put my comment into that thread instead of making a whole new thread. It was *not* meant as any kind of critics against Walt Kelly's name or reputation. I didn't speak to our Danish friends before I wrote my statement, but both AC and Thomas have previously told me that the really want to see Cash Flow in Denmark. Both AC and Thomas (even though he didn't tell you in his recent comment) have got the Norwegian version from me ? and so have some other members of DDF(R). To Olaf: How could I know that less known writers/artists like Jesper Lund Madsen and Pedro Alferez Canos have "stolen" Don Rosa's "Cash Flow" title. Could this be the reason Don Rosa's "Cash Flow" has not yet been printed in Denmark? Sigvald From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sat Jul 12 16:45:23 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 16:45:23 +0200 Subject: A Little Something "Fictional" Message-ID: <20030712143004.8586ABEBA6@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> SIGVALD GROSFJELD to me, 12-07-2003: >> And Flintheart even appears in the Lo$. This would make the Lo$ >> "fictional", too. > No, if you had bothered to check Don's comments to that particular > chapter Sigvald, I don't like this tone. > you would have known that there is *no* contradiction to Barks there. > To make it fit with Barks $crooge doesn't learn Flintheart's name by > then. I was NOT referring to *any* contradiction between Rosa and Barks. Instead, I was referring to the contradiction in YOUR information. --- Dani?l From sigvald at duckburg.dk Sat Jul 12 17:37:18 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 16:37:18 +0100 Subject: SV: Re: DCML Digest, Vol 5, Issue 15 Message-ID: <200307121437.h6CEbIjS028463@webmail.dht.dk> Anders Christian Siveb?k wrote: > Sigvald: Insane Swedes > Now that's crossing the line, but I almost see > what you mean. It was you that introduced that expresion to DCML, AC... I din't mean any harm with it, and neither did you. Any way my apologis to all Swedes here for us using that expression. > but really, it's just a showing of how the > rules of supply and demand work. Well at L?v?s there is still the same price wheter ther is Don Rosa in a magazine or not. > I'm sure if you had a comicshop and you knew > you could sell these comics for 5 times > as much as the usual ones, then you would... Well I actually see that as gread, but then I am not a Swedish social democrat either... > The owner of Seriegrossisten in Stockholm, a > shop that was recommended to me by friends on > the swedish ankism-list took 750 kroner for a > stack of comics that we both counted up to 945. Just as in L?v?s, remember... > Every summer the pagecount is enlarged to 96 > (from 64) making room for extra long, extra > great stories. However so far *not* Don Rosa's "Cash Flow"... > Issue 29 - Let me exclamate: Hooray! The reason > isn't the republication of Don's On Stolen time, > no, finally they print Don's old drawings (from > Gary Leach's story) Fiscal fitness (AR 118). Great news! But why do they announce "On Stolen Time" in issue 28 in stead of this story that has previously not seen print in Scandinavia? Hard core fans like me, Geir J. Netland and others find that much more interesting than seeing "On Stolen Time" once more. Sigvald From sigvald at duckburg.dk Sat Jul 12 17:40:52 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 16:40:52 +0100 Subject: A Little Something "Fictional" Message-ID: <200307121440.h6CEeqFb028471@webmail.dht.dk> Daniel van Eijmeren wrote: > No, if you had bothered to check Don's comments > to that particular chapter > > Sigvald, I don't like this tone. OK, Sorry, my appology!!! > I was NOT referring to *any* contradiction > between Rosa and Barks. Instead, I was > referring to the contradiction in YOUR > information. What contradiction??? Sigvald From sigvald at duckburg.dk Sat Jul 12 18:03:28 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 17:03:28 +0100 Subject: Clarifying... Message-ID: <200307121503.h6CF3SA5028501@webmail.dht.dk> Don Rosa wrote: > If Don Rosa is so da**ed important over there > why have they seen less Don Rosa stories in > print than in Denmark and in Norway? > > First, you criticize the Swedish editors > because they don't print my long stories that > have never been broken into chapters by the > central division of Egmont which supplies the > material, stories that Sweden *can't* print > because they do not publish the supplemental > extra issues which can contain such long > stories like Denmark and Norway do. The do have 96p enlarged issues in where they print so-called: "Sommar-lesning". So it's just a matter of priority. Apparently the editors and the used comics sellers have varying views about the value of your stories - and that was my whole point with that statement. > Anyway IMO NAFS(K) should try to do something > with the insane situation in the Swedish used > comics market. > > Next you criticize my friends at NAFS(k) > because... what?... they don't seize control > of the Swedish government and impose some sort > of cultural dictatorship on the entire nation? No, no, no, but they can send letters to the stores menioned by AC and tell them at there is no reason for having higher prices on KA-issues with your stories than on similar issues with stories by other great artists like Barks, Gottfredson, Murry, Van Horn, Rota, Scarpa, etc. > May I suggest that you go to Sacandinavia next > time you bring your wife Ann with you to > Europe. At least here people can speak English > and pursesnatchers are much fewer than in > Napoli. > > Next, you move on, and, for no apparent reason, > you insult Naples in particular and Italy in > general (as opposed to a single reporter who > might have been at fault or merely not quoted > with perfect accuracy). No, sir! You told us yourself about the situation in Naples (Napoli). I have never been to Italy myself. Based on your own chritical description of your experiences in Italy I tried to be polite and introduce Scandinavia as anoher possible place for Ann to visit when going to Europe. > Well, I am sure that serious readers as AC > Siveb?k, Thomas Lauritsen and S?ren Krarup > Olesen much rather would prefer to see a > classic like "Cash Flow" that has NOT YET > seen print in Denmark and Sweden. > > Next, for no apparent reason, you insult anyone > who prefers the work of Walt Kelly... And > you put this same criticism into the innocent > mouths of three other people. First: it wasn't meant as any insult against anybody just a notian that other people may prefere to se other stuff than that in print. Second: both AC Siveb?k and Thomas Lauritsen have both previously told me that they very much wants to see your "Cash Flow" printed in Denmark. > Sigvald... have you ever considered the idea > of the LURK mode? OK, I take your hint and will go back to lurk-modus from I leave my home tomorrow and at least until I return from Denmark in August. Sigvald From sigvald at duckburg.dk Sat Jul 12 19:41:25 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 18:41:25 +0100 Subject: A friendly gest to all Swedes here! Message-ID: <200307121641.h6CGfPsb028610@webmail.dht.dk> Hi all! I am really sorry that some of my recent comments about the Swedes has been seen as insulting. They was not intended to - I was just carelessly using ACs words - used by him in a much more careful way. Anyway non of us would like you to think that we are thinking so very negatively about our neighbours. So with ACs friendly accept I have now added "Last Sled to Dawson" to AC's "The Two Worlds of Don Rosa" pages: http://duckman.pettho.com/2worlds/dawson.html This is done so that our Swedish neighbours and *friends* can see how the one part version looks like - as that version was only published in Denmark and Norway in 2001. Sigvald From acsive at mail.mira.dk Sat Jul 12 17:37:31 2003 From: acsive at mail.mira.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Anders_Christian_Siveb=E6k?=) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 17:37:31 +0200 Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 5, Issue 16 References: <200307121407.h6CE7Uv15597@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <008e01c34896$3ebd6640$6c0146d4@hovedcentral> Hi all I wasn't aware about the Walt Kelly story in the issue I found in the mail today - I noticed though the old Goofy-strip. I like that kind of stuff that haven't been published before - it's fun to see... So as much i would like to see Cash Flow by Rosa printed here, i don't dislike a story by Walt Kelly - the person who AFAIK created ... So Sigvald - you're right I would like to see Cash Flow reprinted, and I'm glad you see me as a serious reader, but many here are, not just we who have met you live or in chats. Just as you yourself tells people to be aware not to insult Barks- or Rosa-fans here, don't insult fans of other artists. - One of the reasons Disney comics are so loved might be that there are such a great variety in them - something for every reader! What is the difference btw between fiction and fiction? It seems we use the terms differently at times. A story by Barks that contains a "barksian fact" is much more non-fictional than one about some fantasy-creature the ducks encounter... but heck - these are all comics?! Before I go away, I'd like to strongly recommend Donald Aults book "Carl Barks Conversations" - I was reminded of many things while I read it, and the last part, about the 10 bank notes and Carl being very ill made my so sad... - August 25, 2000 - RIP AC From sigvald at duckburg.dk Sat Jul 12 19:56:27 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 18:56:27 +0100 Subject: SV: Re: Walt Kelly surprise in #28 Message-ID: <200307121656.h6CGuRhP028637@webmail.dht.dk> Olaf Solstrand wrote: > Well, if that's the view of you serious > readers, let me report the case from > the point of view of one unserious reader > - me (as the individual I am, I can't talk > for anyone but myself). No, you are also a serious reader. With a "serious reader" I refer to people who care about WHO have done the stories they read those magazines. > Second: The Scandinavian weekly is reprinting > a Don Rosa story NEXT WEEK. Yes, but not "Cash Flow". > Why would they print Don Rosa stories in two > issues in a row? That's not what I said. My main issue was to show that for some people it would AFAIK be of more intrest to see Don Rosa's "Cash Flow" this summer than those other stories by Marco Rota, Walt Kelly, etc. So far these people's prayers has not been heared... > Fifth: Many Norwegians would probably find use > of "Cash Flow" here strange, as that story was > printed not too many years ago. I was not thinking of my self, but on the behalf of my good Danish friends whom I will meet again in a few weeks. I may act stupid from time to time, but at least not egoistic. > PS - to your other mails, Sigvald: Donald Duck > magazines containing Don Rosa stories are extra > expensive used in Norway too Not as far as I have seen. But if that's true then at least that market says that Don Rosa is more important than this Walt Kelly... Sigvald From longtom at oeste.com.ar Sat Jul 12 19:04:53 2003 From: longtom at oeste.com.ar (Fabio Blanco) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 14:04:53 -0300 Subject: A friendly gest to all Swedes here! References: <200307121641.h6CGfPsb028610@webmail.dht.dk> Message-ID: <003801c34897$d03fa780$6326fea9@fabio> and kisses for the beautiful Swedes girls!!! :-D (somebody read my question about the gemstone comics?) FABIO bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Sat Jul 12 19:27:25 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 19:27:25 +0200 Subject: Disney Treasures References: <200307121641.h6CGfPsb028610@webmail.dht.dk> <003801c34897$d03fa780$6326fea9@fabio> Message-ID: <003801c3489a$dcbc5780$291efbc1@computer> Hello everyone! http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/index.cgi?page=News&id=4773 lists the next batch of Walt Disney Treasures DVD's: - The Chronological Donald Duck (at last! odd title) - Mickey Mouse in Living Color Volume 2 (fine!) - Walt Disney on the Front Lines (wartime productions; surely interesting; an intriguing decision too as I doubt it will sell as well as the cartoons) - Walt Disney's Tomorrowland (Disneyland shows on space exploration) The chances of their mentioning Barks at one point are certainly nil, but maybe in the features we will catch a glimpse of him among the artists. I hope there will be something on Clarence Nash. Fabio: >>>> and kisses for the beautiful Swedes girls!!! :-D Even better if they return the compliment! ;) Sigvald (only word on the subject-- and it's a friendly word of advice): >>>at least that market says that Don Rosa is more important than this Walt Kelly... You're missing a lot by not doing a little research on "this Walt Kelly". Kelly was quite a comic genius-- and that's no hyperbole. His "Pogo" strips & comics easily rank among the very finest comic work, and you needn't even know hundreds of others strips to judge. He didn't merely draw cute characters; his sense of and very apt use of absrudity as well as his masterful use of language made for absolutely hilarious strips, and were further strenghthened by witty satire. In short: absolutely incredibobble. You can surely find a couple of sites & strips on the Web; hare are a few (I haven't visited them for a while, though): http://www.bpib.com/kelly.htm http://members.tripod.de/Bazonga/ http://www.fantagraphics.com/classic/pogo/pogo.html Best wishes, Olivier From SRoweCanoe at aol.com Sat Jul 12 21:13:40 2003 From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe@aol.com) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 15:13:40 EDT Subject: Disney Treasures Message-ID: <7a.43f75e60.2c41b7e4@aol.com> In a message dated 7/12/2003 1:27:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr writes: > The chances of their mentioning Barks at one point are certainly nil, but > maybe in the features we will catch a glimpse of him among the artists. > I hope there will be something on Clarence Nash. the dvd on ww2 is susposed to have those Barks-Hannah written Donald Duck stories steven rowe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The article can be read here: http://www.bt.no/kultur/article170263 Sigvald From olaf at andebyonline.com Sat Jul 12 23:11:40 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 23:11:40 +0200 Subject: A whole bunch of stuff Message-ID: <009801c348ba$30e5a860$0900000a@olaftheblue> Hmm... Perhaps I should go back to digest mode? Would be much easier to answer then... Oh well. Let's give it a try. But first: A GREAT THANKS to our fellow caballero Mateusz Lis, who sent me Kaczor Donald #26-03! I loved it! Even though I don't understand Polish, I notice that the translator have played a little with my story here - in a way that I _love_. Like when the police officer says "Odwiedziny od 17:00 do 17:10!" - the visiting time was originally from five to six, but shrinking it to ten minutes is so much funnier! Now I only have to learn Polish... Any others seeing D/D 2001-013 in their local comic lately? I have it in Norwegian, Swedish, Danish and Polish now... SIGVALD GR?SFJELD JR., in "About going to Europe": "May I suggest that you go to Sacandinavia next time you bring your wife Ann with you to Europe. At least here people can speak English and pursesnatchers are much fewer than in Napoli." May I remind that Don Rosa's last visit to Scandinavia was in October 2002? Please, as appreciated as Don Rosa is all over the world and in Europe in particular, it would be a waste if all his foreign visits would go to Scandinavia. (though it would be great if he came over for the Summer meeting in Danish Donaldist Society, I agree - but is that a reason to never go anywhere else?) SIGVALD GR?SFJELD JR, in "Blackheart Beagle's age": "But just relax - "A Little Something Special" is a typichal fictional anniversary story - according to the Barks chronology Flintheart Glomgold and Magica de Spell didn't apear in Duckburg until later." And don't forget that ALL Disney comics are fictional. Sigvald, you use an expression here that trigger my curiousity. You say that "[this story] is a [typhical] fictional anniversary story". Which makes me wonder: Are there others? (According to YOUR definition of "fictional" of course) I know of D 93287, but as you said "typhical anniversary story", I assume there are others of those as well? Is D 97437 "fictional"? Is D 93574? Is D 97052? Is D 2000-191? Is D 2001-143? Those are the "anniversary stories" I know of by Don Rosa... are they fictional? And, to make it all clear: Can you please explain what you mean about "fictional"? I ask because I'm confused. You say very clearly that D 96325 is fictional, but you still use facts from this story in your "Lives and Times in Duckburg". My interpretation of "fictional" in the meaning of Don Rosa stories, is "this story did not happen in the Don Rosa universe". But I see that you now use the word "fictional" about a story you pick a lot of information from, so I have to wonder. I also feel the urge to say that the first time I read this story (D 96325), the story took place in 1997. Well, in my head it was, and nothing else was said anywhere else either. I loved the story anyhow, and didn't see it as more fictional than other Rosa stories. I also thought of Miss Typefast's remark "it's 50 years since you first came to town" to refer to W OS 178-02. Blackheart Beagle's age didn't bother me at all, as I knew Scrooge had to be 130something, and that Huey, Dewey and Louie had been around for 60 years and still was kids... FABIO BLANCO, in "A friendly gest to all Swedes here!": "(somebody read my question about the gemstone comics?)" We did, we did. I didn't answer it because I don't know anything for sure, but here's a hunch from me. Enjoy. (annoying when nobody answers you, right?) FABIO BLANCO, in "GEMSTONES italian comics": "Somebody know if one of the Disney comics from Gemstone will be dedicated to current italian comics?" I'm not 100% sure, but I get a feeling that the new "Donald Duck Adventures" will be mostly dedicated to Italian-style comics. With "Italian-style", I mean "similar to Italian". I _guess_ they will contain Italian stories, as I see they will contain Egmont stories that was made "in the Italian style", that stands side-to-side with new Italian comics in our digest books. I don't know this, and I don't have any contacts in Gemstone whatsoever - but I will be disappointed if DDA won't contain any Italian stories. But PLEASE don't take this from my mouth. I just thought you deserved an answer now - but I don't have any foundation for what I'm saying. SIGVALD GR?SFJELD JR., in "Blackheart Beagle's Age": "This is Disney comics in where moral is very important. So my guess is that people won't have children before they are married. AFAIK to be married people must be 18, at least in the western world." But, this is Don Rosa. As we have discussed earlier, Della according to gave birth to Huey, Dewey and Louie at age fifteen. Or, if one should believe a goof made by the Danish translator, at age TWELVE. And yes, this was ALL because of a goof Don Rosa did (writing "younger" instead of "older")... ...but still: Why is moral so important? This is a Don Rosa story. Don't you love Don Rosa exactly because he tries to show the REAL WORLD? Well, in the real world, immorality DOES happen. There are people giving birth at age 16 and younger. Living together without being married is NORMAL nowadays. Premarital sex is even MORE normal. Besides: This is BLACKHEART BEAGLE. The man who several times locked up Scrooge and left him to die. The man who almost threw Scrooge off the Cornelius Coot-statue. This man does ROBBING and THEFT as a full time job, and he would not hesitate killing someone either. Does it REALLY make sense to you that this man thought "Oh no, I can't have sex, I'm not married yet"? Also: I seem to remember that one CAN be married before the age of 18 [in the western world] - as long as you have your parents' permission and signatures to do so. I may be remembering wrong, but... SIGVALD GR?SFJELD JR., in "Cash Flow": "When I recently saw that Don Rosa's "On Stolen Time" was to be republished as "Sommer-lesning" I immediately decided to address DCML in order to friendly ask our friends at Egmont like David Gerstein, why they seem to keep ignoring the fact that Don Rosa's "Cash Flow" has not yet seen print in Denmark (and Sweden)." First: But that does not have ANYTHING with David Gerstein and others working in ECN to do, does it? Anyhow, here's my thoughts on this: I _guess_ that AR 106 will be reprinted in a few years - as I guess this has something to do with time since last publication in Norway. D 90147 came in Norway in January 1991, while AR 106 came in autumn 1992. I guess the proper thing to do is to wait a certain amount of years before reprinting a story? I notice that AR 113 was not reprinted before ten and a half year after first Norwegian publication, either. People found that OK, but would perhaps have reacted if they had reprinted e.g. D 96325 in 2002. I guess this has to do with trying out hunches - how many years can they wait before reprinting a story? But if Danish and Swedish Egmont are as clever as I hope they are, we will hopefully see a reprint of AR 106 in a few years. That said, I REALLY hope our dear Swedish neighbors print D 93574 soon. Perhaps for June 9th 2004? SIGVALD GR?SFJELD JR., in "Cash Flow": "I didn't speak to our Danish friends before I wrote my statement, but both AC and Thomas have previously told me that the really want to see Cash Flow in Denmark." That's not in any way the same as wanting to see it INSTEAD OF a Walt Kelly story. SIGVALD GR?SFJELD JR., in "Cash Flow": "To Olaf: How could I know that less known writers/artists like Jesper Lund Madsen and Pedro Alferez Canos have "stolen" Don Rosa's "Cash Flow" title. Could this be the reason Don Rosa's "Cash Flow" has not yet been printed in Denmark?" Then you missed my point, which I assumed was obvious - well, so wrong can one be. What I meant to say was: "Please mention author and/or story code when talking about a story, not just the title". It's not obvious that everything we say has to do with Don Rosa. To your last question: I DOUBT IT, and has problems seeing any connection there at all! DON ROSA, in "DCML Digest Issue 15": "Next you criticize my friends at NAFS(k) because... what?... they don't seize control of the Swedish government and impose some sort of cultural dictatorship on the entire nation?" SIGVALD GR?SFJELD JR., in "Clarifying": "No, no, no, but they can send letters to the stores menioned by AC and tell them at there is no reason for having higher prices on KA-issues with your stories than on similar issues with stories by other great artists like Barks, Gottfredson, Murry, Van Horn, Rota, Scarpa, etc." But that would be lying. There's a VERY good reason for having higher prices on KA-issues with Don Rosa stories in them: Money. People are willing to buy these magazines for a higher price, which is why the shops sell them for a higher price in the first place. Besides: Why would these shops listen to NAFS(K)? They KNOW they can take more for these comics - and people will still buy them. Because it's Don Rosa. SIGVALD GR?SFJELD JR., in "Walt Kelly surprise in #28": "No, you are also a serious reader. With a "serious reader" I refer to people who care about WHO have done the stories they read those magazines." Oh really? From your latest mail I understood that a serious reader was someone prefering Don Rosa above Walt Kelly. SIGVALD GR?SFJELD JR., in "Walt Kelly surprise in #28": "Not as far as I have seen. But if that's true then at least that market says that Don Rosa is more important than this Walt Kelly..." To clarify, I don't go much to second-hand book shops. However, I talk a lot to people on the Internet who is willing to sell their comics to the highest bidder. And there, magazines containing Don Rosa stories attract more buyers, and go for a much higher price. Sorry that I didn't state this in my previous mail - I must have dozed off. ________________________ Best, Olaf the Blue "Etari etiuq tseg Dog, detsaw si mreps a fi. Taerg si mreps yreve, dercas si mreps yreve." Story codes used in this letter: AR 106 - "Cash Flow", Don Rosa/Don Rosa AR 113 - "Last Sled to Dawson", Don Rosa/Don Rosa D 2000-191 - "The Beagle Boys vs. The Money Bin", Don Rosa/Don Rosa D 2001-143 - "Gyro's First Invention", Don Rosa/Don Rosa D 90147 - "On Stolen Time", Don Rosa/Don Rosa D 93287 - "From Duckburg to Lillehammer", Don Rosa/Don Rosa D 93574 - "The Duck Who Never Was", Don Rosa/Don Rosa D 96325 - "A Little Something Special", Don Rosa/Don Rosa D 97052 - "W.H.A.D.A.L.O.T.T.A.J.A.R.G.O.N.", Don Rosa/Don Rosa D 97437- "The Sign of the Triple Distelfink", Don Rosa/Don Rosa D/D 2001-013 - "Being Donald Duck", Olaf Solstrand/Maria Sanchez N??ez W OS 178-02 - "Christmas on Bear Mountain", Carl Barks/Carl Barks For more information on a story in particular, check INDUCKS at http://bolderbast.inducks.org/xsearch.html or another location. Please note that the code for D/D 2001-013 in INDUCKS is printed with a space instead of the slash - but I chose to give the PRINTED story code above, as I mentioned it in a connection where that was the one I wanted people to look for. From lpj at forfatter.dk Sun Jul 13 00:00:50 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 00:00:50 +0200 Subject: Cash Flow Message-ID: <026901c348c1$b2089220$85469dd9@idb3156> Sigvald Grøsfjeld jr. wrote: > I immediately decided to address DCML in order to friendly ask our > friends at Egmont like David Gerstein, why they seem to keep ignoring > the fact that Don Rosa's "Cash Flow" has not yet seen print in Denmark > (and Sweden). What should they do about it? Force the Norwegians to reprint a story they've only recently published? Denmark and Sweden missed out on publishing it back in the '90s. Tough luck. My guess is that when "Cash Flow" is eligible for reprinting in the Norwegian weekly, Denmark (and possibly Sweden) will jump on board. But that's only a guess, mind you. > However before I came that long I saw the notion about the Walt Kelly > surprise The Walt Kelly story is 4 pages. How can that possibly crowd out a longer story like "Cash Flow"? > less known writers/artists like Jesper Lund Madsen and Pedro Alferez > Canos have "stolen" Don Rosa's "Cash Flow" title. Could this be the > reason Don Rosa's "Cash Flow" has not yet been printed in Denmark? Sigvald, do you seriously believe Don's "Cash Flow" hasn't been printed in Denmark because a one-pager of the same name was used by the Danes in the mid-90s?!? Lars From lpj at forfatter.dk Sun Jul 13 00:36:39 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 00:36:39 +0200 Subject: Clarifying... Message-ID: <02a801c348c7$82e76380$85469dd9@idb3156> Sigvald Grøsfjeld jr. wrote: > [The Swedes] do have 96p enlarged issues in where they print > so-called: "Sommar-lesning". >From what I understand, it's been on and off. I've been told that at the time they could use Don's "Cash Flow", they didn't have the enlarged issues. So they couldn't print it. > So it's just a matter of priority. No. It's a matter of economics. > Apparently the [Swedish] editors and the used comics sellers have > varying views about the value of your stories Have you talked to the Swedish editors about this, or are you just guessing? I think I know the answer to this one... Lars From lpj at forfatter.dk Sun Jul 13 00:37:22 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 00:37:22 +0200 Subject: SV: Re: Walt Kelly surprise in #28 Message-ID: <02a901c348c7$837cecc0$85469dd9@idb3156> Sigvald Grøsfjeld jr. wrote: > > PS - to your other mails, Sigvald: Donald Duck >> magazines containing Don Rosa stories are extra >> expensive used in Norway too > > Not as far as I have seen. But if that's true then at least that > market says that Don Rosa is more important than this Walt Kelly... "This Walt Kelly"... (Sigh!) Sigvald, read Don's posting titled "DCML Digest Issue 15" again. And seeing as how there have been very few Kelly comics printed in the weekly over the last 50 plus years, you can't really say *anything* about how "the market" feels about Walt Kelly. Lars From lpj at forfatter.dk Sun Jul 13 00:44:26 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 00:44:26 +0200 Subject: SV: Re: DCML Digest, Vol 5, Issue 15 Message-ID: <02aa01c348c7$840c5b80$85469dd9@idb3156> Sigvald Grøsfjeld jr. wrote: >> I'm sure if you had a comicshop and you knew >> you could sell these comics for 5 times >> as much as the usual ones, then you would... > > Well I actually see that as gread, but then I am not a Swedish social > democrat either... This is the second time in a little more than 12 hours that you've made a swipe at Swedish social democrats. Since you seem to believe politics is on-topic here, maybe you would tell us how *your* political leanings are? After that, we can continue our discussion at DCML-talk. Lars From sigvald at duckburg.dk Sun Jul 13 01:51:01 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 0:51:01 +0100 Subject: Cash Flow Message-ID: <200307122251.h6CMp2eT029011@webmail.dht.dk> Lars Jensen wrote: > What should they do about it? Force the > Norwegians to reprint a story they've only > recently published? 1992 is not recently anymore - its 11 years ago... > My guess is that when "Cash Flow" is eligible > for reprinting in the Norwegian weekly, Denmark > (and possibly Sweden) will jump on board. Let's hope so! > The Walt Kelly story is 4 pages. How can that > possibly crowd out a longer story like > "Cash Flow"? You're right! But that the one mentioning the Walt Kelly story in the first place didn't mention that it was only 4 pages - so I had to assume that it was a part of the summer reading pages - which usually includes long stories. > Sigvald, do you seriously believe Don's > "Cash Flow" hasn't been printed in Denmark > because a one-pager of the same name was > used by the Danes in the mid-90s?!? No, but I can see that by using the same title for two stories can be confusing - what if they serached and concluded that "ah that story is already published"... Sigvald From lgiver at postoffice.pacbell.net Sun Jul 13 00:40:35 2003 From: lgiver at postoffice.pacbell.net (lgiver@postoffice.pacbell.net) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 15:40:35 -0700 Subject: New censorship in Majarajah Donald?? Message-ID: <3F108E63.7070603@postoffice.pacbell.net> Gary Leach claimed that at Gemstone they had to make one minor change in the dialogue for the new Free Comic Book Day reprint of Majarajah Donald. Harry couldn't find any difference with Gladstone's DD CBL in Color, #6. I have now searched the same Gladstone reprint and also Gladstone's DD #279 (May, 1990), and cannot find any difference with the new Gemstone reprint. But by re-reading this story carefully, I noticed this story has one of several Barks' use of Burbank, California (page 11, panel 7) as the Ducks' home. He did this in his first few years before locating them permanently in Duckburg, Calisota. Probably not everyone here knows that the Disney Studios where Carl Barks worked before drawing comics at home were in Burbank, California. I grew up in Burbank, about 20 km north of Los Angeles, and near Hollywood. As a newspaper boy, I delivered a copy to the guard kiosk at Disney. So at first it was natural for Barks to presume that the Ducks lived in Burbank, since obviously they lived at the Disney studios. Who knows which story this Barks - Burbank quotation is from: "Don't! Don't make me walk the plank! Let me go back to Burbank!" Best wishes, Larry Giver. From sigvald at duckburg.dk Sun Jul 13 02:25:17 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 1:25:17 +0100 Subject: A whole bunch of stuff Message-ID: <200307122325.h6CNPHnf029045@webmail.dht.dk> Olaf Solstrand wrote: > May I remind that Don Rosa's last visit to > Scandinavia was in October 2002? I know that Olaf, the main difference is that he brought Ann with him to Italy, I can't remember that she has ever followed him to Scandinavia. I just wanted to tell him that she is welcome here too. > And, to make it all clear: Can you please > explain what you mean about "fictional". I ask > because I'm confused. You say very clearly that > D 96325 is fictional, but you still use facts > from this story in your "Lives and Times in > Duckburg". All this is carefully explained in my aticle in DDF(R)appet #2, but I can explain it again - shortly: When I did "The Lives and Times in Duckburg" I discovered that some stories didn't fit in the "official" timeline. D 96325 is such a story. It takes place in 1952 before Flintheart and Magica turned up in Barks' version of the things. It's a great story! The references to older times in that story don't contradict the "official" timeline so there is no reason to not including them in "The Lives and Times in Duckburg". Well, even Barks did some fictional or immaginary stories - such as when he shows a 6 meter high guy from Duckburg or populated asteroids. Hope this saticfies your curiosity, Olaf :-) > Miss Typefast's Miss Quackfaster, Olaf! Her name is Miss Emily Quackfaster! > But, this is Don Rosa. As we have discussed > earlier, Della according to gave birth to Huey, > Dewey and Louie at age fifteen. Della would have been born lates 1923 - HD&L are said to be born in 1940 - that makes her at least 17... > ....but still: Why is moral so important? Ask Egmont or Disney - they are the ones who changes vodka into limonade... > This is a Don Rosa story. Don't you love Don > Rosa exactly because he tries to show the REAL > WORLD? Well, in the real world, immorality DOES > happen. Yes, and people does drink stronger stuff than limonade... > Also: I seem to remember that one CAN be > married before the age of 18 [in the western > world] - as long as you have your parents' > permission and signatures to do so. I may be > remembering wrong, but... No, you're reight, but it's not enough with the parents' signaures acceptance from the authorities are needed too. > First: But that does not have ANYTHING with > David Gerstein and others working in ECN to do, > does it? At least David was the one who kindly told DCML that "Fiscal Fitness" and "Rocket Reverie" was eventually about to be published in Scandinavia. > What I meant to say was: "Please mention author > and/or story code when talking about a story, > not just the title". It's not obvious that > everything we say has to do with Don Rosa. OK - point taken, Olaf! > ....and people will still buy them. Because > it's Don Rosa. So Don Rosa is important after all, Olaf? Other times you say that he is *not* more important than other Disney-artists... Theory (DCML) and practic policy (the market) seems sometimes to contradict each other, maybe that's what keep confusing me. Sigvald From sigvald at duckburg.dk Sun Jul 13 02:48:46 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 1:48:46 +0100 Subject: SV: Re: DCML Digest, Vol 5, Issue 15 Message-ID: <200307122348.h6CNmk8W029071@webmail.dht.dk> Lars Jensen wrote: >> Well I actually see that as gread, but then >> I am not a Swedish social democrat either... > > This is the second time in a little more than > 12 hours that you've made a swipe at Swedish > social democrats. Since you seem to believe > politics is on-topic here, maybe you would > tell us how *your* political leanings are? This is not the place nor the time for such a topic. The only reason I twice have "made swipes at the Swedish social democrats" is that they are dominating their society and try to sell Sweden as a country very unlike USA and other counties with a free market economy. I just wanted to show their double morality when it comes to market economy - they say that they are pro-equality but the fact is that there are more millionaires and billionaires in the social democrat Sweden than in not so social democrat Denmark and Norway. Sigvald From Cebarat at aol.com Sun Jul 13 02:26:30 2003 From: Cebarat at aol.com (Cebarat@aol.com) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 20:26:30 EDT Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 5, Issue 18 Message-ID: <74.301685f6.2c420136@aol.com> Lars Jensen wrote: > <<"This Walt Kelly"... (Sigh!) Sigvald, read Don's posting titled "DCML > Digest Issue 15" again. And seeing as how there have been very few Kelly > comics printed in the weekly over the last 50 plus years, you can't > really say *anything* about how "the market" feels about Walt Kelly.>> > Speaking as an American AND as a Walt Kelly fan: NEVER look a gift Kelly story in the mouth. Would that Kelly received as much renewed media exposure in this country as he's being given in Europe with this reprinted story. Chris Barat -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030713/ea6aa186/attachment.html From cien2 at cbn.net.id Sun Jul 13 06:58:12 2003 From: cien2 at cbn.net.id (cien2@cbn.net.id) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 11:58:12 +0700 Subject: Importance equals sales? Message-ID: <20030713045812.300D71AD74C@webmail1.cbn.net.id> Sigvald: "So Don Rosa is important after all, Olaf? Other times you say that he is *not* more important than other Disney-artists... Theory (DCML) and practic policy (the market) seems sometimes to contradict each other, maybe that's what keep confusing me." I'm not really sure how to address this but i want to pointed out that NOT always higher sales means better quality/importance. Kelly's works might NOT sell high compared to Don's but that does not automatically mean he's less important. He might be less important to you but he might be more important in the Disney comics history than you might have think. But Sigvald, you can safely interpret high sales of Don's works means more people are interested in reading Don's works compared to Kelly's but i dont see the less amount of people reading/interested in kelly's works mean that's Kelly is less important than Don. I guess i can say the same for any other Disney comic artists (not just Walt Kelly). Keep On Quacking, Arie Fachrisal who still havent watch finding Nemo :-( From longtom at oeste.com.ar Sun Jul 13 08:49:36 2003 From: longtom at oeste.com.ar (Fabio Blanco) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 03:49:36 -0300 Subject: New censorship in Majarajah Donald?? References: <3F108E63.7070603@postoffice.pacbell.net> Message-ID: <003a01c3490b$1b0fe400$6326fea9@fabio> > Who knows which story this Barks - Burbank quotation is > from: > "Don't! Don't make me walk the plank! Let me go back > to Burbank!" > Best wishes, Larry Giver. Is "Florida's Flophouses", the one when Uncle Walt sent Carl Duck to rescue a pearl from the claws of the Pirates of the Caribbean. (sounds like something cryed for some public of the movie ) jokingly FABIO bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar From lpj at forfatter.dk Sun Jul 13 10:55:19 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 10:55:19 +0200 Subject: Cash Flow Message-ID: <005601c3491d$d8854e00$be469dd9@idb3156> Sigvald Grøsfjeld jr. wrote: >> What should they do about it? Force the >> Norwegians to reprint a story they've only >> recently published? > > 1992 is not recently anymore - its 11 years ago... It is 11 years ago *now*, yes. You wrote "they seem to keep ignoring" the story. I'm simply saying that if they *are* ignoring it, they've begun only recently. Before then, they couldn't have used the story anyway. > the one mentioning the Walt Kelly story in the first place didn't > mention that it was only 4 pages - so I had to assume that it was a > part of the summer reading pages It is. But it's only a filler in the back of the extra. >> Sigvald, do you seriously believe Don's >> "Cash Flow" hasn't been printed in Denmark >> because a one-pager of the same name was >> used by the Danes in the mid-90s?!? > > No, but I can see that by using the same title for two stories can be > confusing - what if they serached and concluded that "ah that story is > already published"... Nah, only if they *really* screwed up. I don't think that has happened here. Lars From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sun Jul 13 12:21:35 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 12:21:35 +0200 Subject: Politics (OT) Message-ID: <20030713100614.9A97519FDCB@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> LARS JENSEN to SIGVALD GROSFJELD, 13-07-2003: > Since you seem to believe politics is on-topic here, maybe you > would tell us how *your* political leanings are? Lars, why do you invite Sigvald to continue an off-topic subject about - of all things - POLITICS? > After that, we can continue our discussion at DCML-talk. After what? After the atmosphere is ruined once more? Please don't do this again. --- Dani?l From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sun Jul 13 12:50:13 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 12:50:13 +0200 Subject: A Little Something "Fictional" Message-ID: <20030713103500.2046619FDE7@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> SIGVALD GROSFJELD to me, 12-07-2003: >> I was NOT referring to *any* contradiction between Rosa and Barks. >> Instead, I was referring to the contradiction in YOUR information. > What contradiction??? Read back the discussion. I don't want to start all over again. --- Dani?l From olaf at andebyonline.com Sun Jul 13 13:11:34 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 13:11:34 +0200 Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 5, Issue 15 References: <200307121437.h6CEbIjS028463@webmail.dht.dk> Message-ID: <001f01c3492f$865b8060$0900000a@olaftheblue> K?bevis Naitsirhc Sredna: > > Issue 29 - Let me exclamate: Hooray! The reason > > isn't the republication of Don's On Stolen time, > > no, finally they print Don's old drawings (from > > Gary Leach's story) Fiscal fitness (AR 118). > Roinuj. Dlejfs?rg Dlavgis: > Great news! But why do they announce "On Stolen Time" in issue 28 in stead > of this story that has previously not seen print in Scandinavia? Hard core > fans like me, Geir J. Netland and others find that much more interesting > than seeing "On Stolen Time" once more. > I see you put your words in the mouth of others again. Go on like this for a few more mails, and I will pop a bottle of champagne the second you go lurking again. Anyhow: I see several reasons why they would rather announce "On Stolen Time"... 1. "Fiscal Fitness" is a TWO-PAGER. 2. "Fiscal Fitness" is not written by Don Rosa. Don Rosa sells more. 3. They finally got a reason for using that Picsou pin-up. (But why on Earth didn't they put it on the cover?) 4. Most people are not hard core fans like you and Geir J. Netland. A comment to my point one: Personally, I think they rather should have announced W/MM 32 B - "Westward Whoa!", drawn by Paul Murry himself. A really amusing story, it's longer than "On Stolen Time" (just 3-4 pages, but...) - and it's never before printed in the Scandinavian weekly, either. But then again, my point two puts a stop to that. A comment to my comment to my point one: Question would be, why didn't they announce MORE stories than just this one in DDW28? For a magazine filled with pearls like this... I personally liked D 2002-132, D 2000-124 and D 99131 very well, too - so why announce only ONE story? OK, I guess my point three can be a reason to that. A comment to my point two: In respect of the DCML I refuse to pick a personal favorite amongst two people both active in the forum I'm addressing - but Don Rosa being more popular than Gary Leach in Norway is practically a fact... From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sun Jul 13 13:45:11 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 13:45:11 +0200 Subject: A whole bunch of stuff Message-ID: <20030713113029.78042BE84E@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> OLAF SOLSTRAND to SIGVALD GROSFJELD, 12-07-2003: > I know of D 93287, but as you said "typhical anniversary story", > I assume there are others of those as well? > > Is D 97437 "fictional"? Is D 93574? Is D 97052? Is D 2000-191? Is > D 2001-143? Those are the "anniversary stories" I know of by Don > Rosa... are they fictional? Mentioning story-codes without any titles/descriptions makes your comments hard to follow. Your list of mentioned stories at the end of your email didn't work for me. It needs too looking/scrolling up and down. I'm glad you find codes important, though. Mentioning them makes searching through INDUCKS much easier. --- Dani?l From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sun Jul 13 14:17:25 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 14:17:25 +0200 Subject: Censorship in Majarajah Donald / Larry's Barks quote Message-ID: <20030713120215.40767BEC48@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> LARRY GIVER to GARY LEACH and HARRY FLUKS, 12-07-2003: > Gary Leach claimed that at Gemstone they had to make one minor > change in the dialogue for the new Free Comic Book Day reprint > of Majarajah Donald. [...] by re-reading this story carefully, > I noticed this story has one of several Barks' use of Burbank, > California (page 11, panel 7) as the Ducks' home. What is wrong about mentioning Burbank? Why did that need to be censored? > [Barks] did this in his first few years before locating them > permanently in Duckburg, Calisota. I hope that this is not a reason, standarizing information in Barks reprints! That would take them out of their historical context and development. > Who knows which story this Barks - Burbank quotation is from: > "Don't! Don't make me walk the plank! Let me go back to Burbank!" The nightmares story (WDC 101). One of my favourite Barks stories! Donald: "I'm trapped! I either have to give that talk on crocheting or throw myself to the sharks!" And then, Donald continues with: "One side, you hankering herrings! I know which deal is the least worst!" :-D --- Dani?l From SRoweCanoe at aol.com Sun Jul 13 14:09:58 2003 From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe@aol.com) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 08:09:58 EDT Subject: Walt Kelly Message-ID: <75.15400975.2c42a616@aol.com> In a message dated 7/13/2003 12:59:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cien2 at cbn.net.id writes: > Kelly's works might NOT sell high compared to Don's but that does not > automatically mean he's less important. He might be less important to you but he > might be more important in the Disney comics history than you might have > think. > > But Sigvald, you can safely interpret high sales of Don's works means more > people are interested in reading Don's works compared to Kelly's but i dont > see the less amount of people reading/interested in kelly's works mean that's > Kelly is less important than Don. > Hard to believe that some folks on this list (or is it just one folk?) believe that "Walt Kelly" is an unimportant artist. In the USA, Kelly is generally considered one of the greatest comic strip artists of the 20th Century --- -- certainly his name recognition factor among the general public is well above Barks or Rosa --- sure is odd how things are different.... there is even an annual festival held about Kelly. steven rowe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Frank _________________________________________________________________ MSN - More Useful Every Day http://www.msn.de From sigvald at duckburg.dk Sun Jul 13 15:59:46 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 14:59:46 +0100 Subject: Walt Kelly Message-ID: <200307131259.h6DCxkao030115@webmail.dht.dk> SRoweCanoe at aol.com wrote: > Hard to believe that some folks on this > list (or is it just one folk?) believe > that "Walt Kelly" is an unimportant > artist. In the USA, Kelly is generally > considered one of the greatest comic strip > artists of the 20th Century --- > --- certainly his name recognition factor > among the general public is well above Barks > or Rosa... there is even an annual festival > held about Kelly. Well, in America Disney Comics are sold in just a few thousands - in Scandinavia it's sold in hundreds of thousands - thus I have a bigger trust in the Disney-reading Scandinavian general public in this matter than in the non-Disney-reading general American public - but that's just my personal opinion. Besides I prefer long stories, not short strips - but that's just my personal view on things. Sigvald From sigvald at duckburg.dk Sun Jul 13 16:04:27 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 15:04:27 +0100 Subject: About hard core Rosa-fans Message-ID: <200307131304.h6DD4RHO030126@webmail.dht.dk> Olaf Solstrand wrote: > I see you put your words in the mouth of others > again. Sorry, Olaf, but Geir being a hard core Rosa-fan and Rosa-completist is practically a fact... > 3. They finally got a reason for using that > Picsou pin-up. There is a pin-up for Cash Flow as well... Sigvald From sigvald at duckburg.dk Sun Jul 13 16:10:43 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 15:10:43 +0100 Subject: SV: RE: DCML Digest Issue 15 Message-ID: <200307131310.h6DDAh7Q030144@webmail.dht.dk> Don Rosa wrote: > First, you criticize the Swedish editors > because they don't print my long stories > that have never been broken into chapters > by the central division of Egmont... This is not entirely correct: There does exit a multi-part version of "The Lost Charts of Columbus", but still the Swedes have never seen that story... "The Duck who Never was" was according to Stefan Di?s, dropped because someone didn't like it... Sigvald From sigvald at duckburg.dk Sun Jul 13 16:21:35 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 15:21:35 +0100 Subject: Don Rosa vs Kurt Nilssen Message-ID: <200307131321.h6DDLZDG030169@webmail.dht.dk> Hi all! Yesterday our friend Olaf Solstrand compared Don Rosa with the new Norwegian music artist Kurt Nilssen (at least this is how Olaf's statement could be interpreted). I disagree with that. While Kurt Nilssen AFAIK owe all of his popularity to the media who has given him more than his share of spotlight, Don Rosa owe his popularity to hard work and thus great stories based upon respect for Barks. Or to put it short: media made Kurt Nilssens work known, while Don Rosa's work has made Don Rosa known. Sigvald From sigvald at duckburg.dk Sun Jul 13 16:40:26 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 15:40:26 +0100 Subject: I go lurking again! Message-ID: <200307131340.h6DDeQMq030199@webmail.dht.dk> Hi all! As I told you yesterday, I am going into lurk-modus again. This time I will try even harder to avoid un-lurking in the lurk-modus period. This time I will stay in lurk-modus until I am back from my trip to Denmark ? that means Saturday August 2nd. Besides my respect for Don Rosa and his very clear hint about go lurking again, I also do this in order to talk to my Danish friends about the apparent communication-problems between me and many DCMLers recently. Have a nice summer! Sigvald From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sun Jul 13 16:23:12 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 16:23:12 +0200 Subject: Censorship in Majarajah Donald Message-ID: <20030713140752.6B210BEC55@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Today, I replied to LARRY GIVER, about the censorship in the recent FCBD Gemstone publication of "Maharajah Donald" (MOC 4): > What is wrong about mentioning Burbank? > Why did that need to be censored? On second thought, maybe I misunderstood Larry's comments. I thought his reference to Burbank referred to the censoring. After re-reading his email, it only seems to be an independent note about Barks using Burbank in his stories. --- Dani?l From ddmarkstein at cox.net Sun Jul 13 16:11:32 2003 From: ddmarkstein at cox.net (Donald D. Markstein) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 07:11:32 -0700 Subject: Walt Kelly References: <200307131259.h6DCxkao030115@webmail.dht.dk> Message-ID: <006401c34948$aa33a490$6400a8c0@don> > Well, in America Disney Comics are sold in just a few thousands - in > Scandinavia it's sold in hundreds of thousands - thus I have a bigger trust > in the Disney-reading Scandinavian general public in this matter than in the > non-Disney-reading general American public - but that's just my personal > opinion. Once again, you are putting words into other people's mouths. It is the general public in America, and not the DISNEY-READING general public, that knows the work of Walt Kelly. I will also wager that he is better known to the general public in Europe, than Barks is to the general public in America. ALL OVER THE WORLD, Walt Kelly is respected by those who know comics, and his name is at least recognized by many who don't. To dismiss him as a nobody, as you OFTEN do those not favored within your extremely narrow world-view, is pure ignorance. Quack, Don Today in Toons: Every day's an anniversary. http://www.toonopedia.com/today.htm From SRoweCanoe at aol.com Sun Jul 13 16:33:32 2003 From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe@aol.com) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 10:33:32 EDT Subject: Walt Kelly Message-ID: <20.154fa070.2c42c7bc@aol.com> In a message dated 7/13/2003 10:16:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ddmarkstein at cox.net writes: > Once again, you are putting words into other people's mouths. It is the > general public in America, and not the DISNEY-READING general public, that > knows the work of Walt Kelly. I will also wager that he is better known to > the general public in Europe, than Barks is to the general public in > America. ALL OVER THE WORLD, Walt Kelly is respected by those who know > comics, and his name is at least recognized by many who don't. > Frankly, that is a safe wager (or even a suckers bet) Walt Kelly was a celebrity cartoonist in the 1950s-1960s, where his books were best sellers (not his comic books , but his books) -- If i hadnt loaned out my book on bestsellers - i would check and see if they actually made the New York Times bestsellers list as my memory indicates.,.. He is regularly quoted in the newspapers even today (and is in Barlett's book of quotations, which is the standard refrence book on famous sayings) For someone to state that kelly is little known just shows extreme lack of comics knowledge. steven rowe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In the USA, Kelly > is generally considered one of the greatest comic strip artists of the > 20th Century --- In our (German) list of the best comics Walt Kelly is on place 35 (of 100): http://www.top100comics.de/single_book.php?rank=35 On the list the readers voted Kelly is only on place 450 (of 700): http://www.top100comics.de/comicvoting_centum.php To this readers' list not only Germans but many international visitors (expecially from the U.S.) contributed, so I suppose it can be called international (with the exception of Asia). IMO Kelly can and should be recognized as one of the giants of the field. But today he is no longer popular with the general public. But then how could he? The Fantagraphics edition is out of print and foreign editions of his works are scarce probably because his humor is difficult to translate. Only very few of his strips have been printed here in Germany. Cord -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030713/37acd548/attachment.html From cord at wiljes.de Sun Jul 13 17:03:53 2003 From: cord at wiljes.de (Cord Wiljes) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 17:03:53 +0200 Subject: AW: Walt Kelly In-Reply-To: <006401c34948$aa33a490$6400a8c0@don> Message-ID: <001b01c3494f$fa7f5a00$0101a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> Donald D. Markstein wrote: > I will also wager that he (sc. Walt Kelly) is better known to > the general public in Europe, than Barks is to the general public in > America. ALL OVER THE WORLD, Walt Kelly is respected by those who know > comics, and his name is at least recognized by many who don't. Just speaking for Germany, I suppose that roughly 0,05% (40.000 of 80 million inhabitants) do know who Walt Kelly was. Going to a comics convention you will probably meet a better ration of about 5%. This reminds me of a joke drawn by Frank Miller ("Batman: The Dark Knight returns"): We see the author/artist himself in a crowded public place where he proclaims: "I am Frank Miller the Comic book artist!" People just ignore him because nobody knows him. In the end he desperately shouts: "I wrote the first draft for Robocop II" ;-) Cord From SRoweCanoe at aol.com Sun Jul 13 17:13:29 2003 From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe@aol.com) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 11:13:29 EDT Subject: AW: Walt Kelly Message-ID: <1a7.1719e263.2c42d119@aol.com> In a message dated 7/13/2003 10:49:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cord at wiljes.de writes: > IMO Kelly can and should be recognized as one of the giants of the field. > But today he is no longer popular with the general public. > of course, here in the USA when you are dead your popularity plumets...(with a handful of exceptions in the perfoming arts - the usa audience only likes modern things) and Kelly has been dead for several decades - and he didnt do tons of liscencing work to keep his characthers alive.... this still doesnt dimish his enormous popularity then, and the still there fanbase he has > But then how could he? The Fantagraphics edition is out of print and > foreign editions of his works are scarce probably because his humor is difficult to > translate. Only very few of his strips have been printed here in Germany. > even worse: the Simon and Shuster books are all out of print -- (and some of the Fantagraphics books may still be in print) the Fantagraphics were just small potatoes in terms of sales and more importantly distribution through book stores. Its possible that the number of S&S books available used is all the market can bear ....thus making it unlikely for new reprints of those books on the other hand, his record album is back in print and available - through Amazon and the other usual outlets Hey Don Rosa, can we expect a musical CD from you??? steven rowe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030713/13a12591/attachment.html From info at klartekst.no Sun Jul 13 17:16:57 2003 From: info at klartekst.no (Klartekst) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 17:16:57 +0200 Subject: Walt Kelly Message-ID: <005901c34951$ce585560$8119fea9@klartekst> For anyone not familiar with Walt Kelly, I recommend the Fantagraphics collections of the Pogo newpaper strips, available in comic book stores. Apart from the beautiful, detailed art (as compared with the minimalistic 'Dilbert'-type drawing styles we see today), what I like best about these stories is the total absence of any sensible or predictable plot lines. To quote from the dust jacket of one of the books: "What begins with a sort of wholesale courtship of a skunk turns into a brief panic about sea serpents that becomes a migration West that subjects everyone momentarily to the ministrations of the resident con man that results, finally, in a cow taking work as a cat." It doesn't always make a lot of sense, but it's great fun - much like life itself. Nils from Norway -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030713/65be3844/attachment.html From SRoweCanoe at aol.com Sun Jul 13 17:17:53 2003 From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe@aol.com) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 11:17:53 EDT Subject: AW: Walt Kelly Message-ID: <135.228b4de4.2c42d221@aol.com> In a message dated 7/13/2003 11:05:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cord at wiljes.de writes: > Just speaking for Germany, I suppose that roughly 0,05% (40.000 of 80 > million inhabitants) do know who Walt Kelly was. > no offense, but any of us can make up satistics your argument however is that Kelly is not well known there to the general public because his work was not mass-marketed there - is likely (if his work was indeed not mass-marketed there). I know he appeared in Italy in LINUS. almost nobody in the usa knows who Herge is either this doesnt lessen his importance steven rowe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030713/2ac2664f/attachment.html From cord at wiljes.de Sun Jul 13 17:53:51 2003 From: cord at wiljes.de (Cord Wiljes) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 17:53:51 +0200 Subject: AW: AW: Walt Kelly In-Reply-To: <135.228b4de4.2c42d221@aol.com> Message-ID: <003401c34956$f4eb9200$0101a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> Cord wrote: >> Just speaking for Germany, I suppose that roughly 0,05% (40.000 of 80 >> million inhabitants) do know who Walt Kelly was. Steven Rowe wrote: > no offense, but any of us can make up satistics I agree. So instead of pinning a number to it I will just say: Nearly nobody here in Germany does know who Walt Kelly was. This is not to say anything about the quality or importance of his work but just an observation. > almost nobody in the usa knows who Herge is either this doesnt lessen his importance Popularity has never been a reliable measure for quality. And vice versa. Speaking of comics creators known to the general public: Recently I saw a game show on TV where they asked "Who was the father of the "Marsupilami"?". The answer was worth 250.000 EUR - so they must have considered it difficult. Cord -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030713/d0c4f1c1/attachment.html From olaf at andebyonline.com Sun Jul 13 18:25:25 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 18:25:25 +0200 Subject: Don Rosa vs Kurt Nilssen Message-ID: <000501c3495b$5dc46730$0900000a@olaftheblue> As an answer to our lurking friend: > Yesterday our friend Olaf Solstrand compared Don Rosa with > the new Norwegian music artist Kurt Nilssen (at least this is how > Olaf's statement could be interpreted). Well, yes, that's how my statement COULD be interpreted, but that was not what I meant. So, let me try to explain what I actually meant. (in a way that does not need an answer so that Sigvald wouldn't have to go de-lurking again...) I was just trying to state the difference between importance and popularity. So, I went to the extreme and picked an example that I hoped you [Sigvald] would understand. Kurt Nilssen has been mile high on both the Norwegian most sold albums-list and most sold singles-list for weeks. He's played on the radio almost continously (especially on "hit" stations). Booking a concert with Kurt and the others from "Idol" costs 40.000$. Many people, especially young teens (I would have used the word "fjortis" if it was in my dictionary), meet up and praise this artist like The Beatles was in the 1960's and Elvis Presley was in the 1950's. (Thus perhaps not THAT many.) Is Kurt Nilssen a popular music artist? Of course he is. Is Kurt Nilssen an important music artist? Not at all! But I'm not trying to compare Don Rosa to Kurt Nilssen. Please - I have more respect for Don Rosa than that. All I'm saying is that YOU CAN'T DRAW A PARALLEL BETWEEN POPULARITY AND IMPORTANCE. I realize that I _could_ have used an example everybody would understand - e.g. Britney Spears or the Spice Girls. Which are WORSE, as they don't even write their own music. I hope my point is taken. ____________________________________ Olaf Solstrand going lurking for the next one and a half hour... From lgiver at postoffice.pacbell.net Sun Jul 13 19:01:56 2003 From: lgiver at postoffice.pacbell.net (lgiver@postoffice.pacbell.net) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 10:01:56 -0700 Subject: Another Barks - Burbank quote Message-ID: <3F119084.50506@postoffice.pacbell.net> Daniel is correct; "Donald Duck's Worst Nightmare" C&S #101, has Donald begging the pirates to let him go back to Burbank, in a nightmare, page 3 panel 8. The Burbank reference in Maharajah Donald is still in the recent Gemstone FCBD reprint, as Daniel concluded in his second post. Gary Leach challenged us to find a change that was made in the Gemstone reprint compared to the Gladstone reprints, but Harry Fluks couldn't find it, and nither could I. Here's another Barks - Burbank quote: "Howdy, Bud! I'm from the South, myself -- south Burbank!" Which story is this one from? Best wishes, Larry Giver. From gjn at netcom.no Sun Jul 13 19:15:14 2003 From: gjn at netcom.no (Geir J. Netland) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 19:15:14 +0200 Subject: About hard core Rosa-fans Message-ID: <000101c34962$537b5480$0100a8c0@oppdal> Sigvald wrote: >Great news! But why do they announce "On Stolen Time" in issue 28 in >stead of this story >that has previously not seen print in Scandinavia? Hard core fans like me, Geir J. >Netland and others find that much more interesting than seeing "On Stolen Time" once >more. > Sorry, Olaf, but Geir being a hard core Rosa-fan and > Rosa-completist is practically a fact... Who is this Geir? How come *he* became a subject here? FYI, *this* is his first dcml-posting in months. If he feels the need to state his opinion, he will do so! BTW, If "hard core Rosa-fan" means being like you, Sigvald, then he is *not* one. Happy lurking! ----------------------------- Vennlig hilsen/Greetings from Geir J. Netland ----------------------------- From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Sun Jul 13 20:19:42 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 20:19:42 +0200 Subject: Walt Kelly / Larry's Burbank quote (PS) References: <75.15400975.2c42a616@aol.com> Message-ID: <008801c3496b$54a91000$4c2bfbc1@computer> Steven: >>>In the USA, Kelly is generally considered one of the greatest comic strip artists of the 20th Century --- >>> -- certainly his name recognition factor among the general public is well above Barks or Rosa --- >>> sure is odd how things are different.... there is even an annual festival held about Kelly. And "Pogo President" campaigns too ("I go Pogo"). A very touching hommage to Pogo in Alan Moore's take on "The Swamp Thing" has already been noted. Could make for a cute li'l gag in a duck story set in the Okefenokee. >>>on the other hand, his record album is back in print and available - through Amazon and the other usual outlets I saw that recently as I checked again for available Pogo books. Nils: >>>what I like best about these stories >>>is the total absence of any sensible or predictable plot lines. Incredible. He jumped and skipped and hopped from one idea to another in less than an eyeblink, bouncing on distorted or mispronounced words, introducing wacky characters and situations in utterly unexpected ways, without it being chaotic at all; it just flowed perfectly smoothly and naturally-- quite an achievement. I've scanned two favorites of mine and uploaded them for your pleasure: http://bobcat74.free.fr/kelly/ All the best to all of you, Olivier ***** PS: Larry's quote Larry: >>>"Howdy, Bud! I'm from the South, myself -- south Burbank!" DDA 223, "Lost in the Andes". Surely one of Barks' best lines. Gum anyone? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030713/2419cc60/attachment.html From jlfarr495 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 13 21:40:28 2003 From: jlfarr495 at yahoo.com (Joseph Farrell) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 12:40:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Walt Kelly Message-ID: <20030713194028.73642.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> These are all good points,but another reason for Walt Kelly's fading profile may be the topicality of so much of his work. While Barks' Duck stories are timeless and appeal to a worldwide audience, much of Kelly's output seems pointless outside of its time and place. Very funny material like his "Jack Acid Society Black Book" would probably just puzzle readers --- particularly non-Americans of several decades later --- who have no knowledge of the groups and individuals that are being satirized. Obviously, this is not a problem with Barks. Joe Farrell In a message dated 7/13/2003 10:49:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cord at wiljes.de writes: > IMO Kelly can and should be recognized as one of the giants of the field. > But today he is no longer popular with the general public. > of course, here in the USA when you are dead your popularity plumets...(with a handful of exceptions in the perfoming arts - the usa audience only likes modern things) and Kelly has been dead for several decades - and he didnt do tons of liscencing work to keep his characthers alive.... this still doesnt dimish his enormous popularity then, and the still there fanbase he has > But then how could he? The Fantagraphics edition is out of print and > foreign editions of his works are scarce probably because his humor is difficult to > translate. Only very few of his strips have been printed here in Germany. > even worse: the Simon and Shuster books are all out of print -- (and some of the Fantagraphics books may still be in print) the Fantagraphics were just small potatoes in terms of sales and more importantly distribution through book stores. Its possible that the number of S&S books available used is all the market can bear ....thus making it unlikely for new reprints of those books on the other hand, his record album is back in print and available - through Amazon and the other usual outlets Hey Don Rosa, can we expect a musical CD from you??? steven rowe __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From reimersholme at hotmail.com Mon Jul 14 00:02:00 2003 From: reimersholme at hotmail.com (Stefan Persson) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 00:02:00 +0200 Subject: Insane Swedes Message-ID: >From: "Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr." >Reply-To: "Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr." >To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se >Subject: Insane Swedes >Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 4:17:23 +0100 >If Don Rosa is so da**ed important over there why have they seen less Don >Rosa stories in print than in Denmark and in Norway? Notice that the new weekly contains a previously unpublished Rosa story: the 2-pager AR 118. >Anyway IMO NAFS(K) should try to do something with the insane situation in >the Swedish used comics market. So what do you think that NAFS(k) should try to do? Print more used comics? Stefan _________________________________________________________________ Hitta r?tt p? n?tet med MSN S?k http://search.msn.se/ From longtom at oeste.com.ar Mon Jul 14 03:17:39 2003 From: longtom at oeste.com.ar (Fabio Blanco) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:17:39 -0300 Subject: I go lurking again! References: <200307131340.h6DDeQMq030199@webmail.dht.dk> Message-ID: <000301c349ac$06639d20$6326fea9@fabio> I really admire your sense of the pathologic. get fun FABIO > Hi all! > > As I told you yesterday, I am going into lurk-modus again. This time I will > try even harder to avoid un-lurking in the lurk-modus period. This time I > will stay in lurk-modus until I am back from my trip to Denmark - that means > Saturday August 2nd. Besides my respect for Don Rosa and his very clear hint > about go lurking again, I also do this in order to talk to my Danish friends > about the apparent communication-problems between me and many DCMLers > recently. > > Have a nice summer! > > Sigvald > _______________________________________________ > http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml > From bangfish at comcast.net Mon Jul 14 05:05:37 2003 From: bangfish at comcast.net (Gary Leach) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 23:05:37 -0400 Subject: The "censorship" challenge In-Reply-To: <200307131940.h6DJewv26410@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <0B3ADD72-B5A8-11D7-9606-000393C28E48@comcast.net> Harry, Larry, and anyone else interested: Seems the "censorship" in Gemstone's version of "Majarajah Donald" is even more subtle than I suspected. I gave one hint, that it's in the dialogue, and here's another: nothing's been added or deleted. Gary From cien2 at cbn.net.id Mon Jul 14 07:44:06 2003 From: cien2 at cbn.net.id (Arie Fachrisal) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 12:44:06 +0700 Subject: Walt Kelly References: <200307131521.h6DFLnv12945@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <003a01c349cb$00c4ebc0$44779eca@cien2> > From: "Cord Wiljes" > To this readers' list not only Germans but many international visitors > (expecially from the U.S.) contributed, so I suppose it can be called > international (with the exception of Asia). What Cord said is true. Most American comic books artists arent well known here in Asia, with the exception of the superheroes comic book artists/writers. Speaking of Walt Kelly and others, i have read Walt Kelly's name more in other comic-related magazine but have never even once see Barks, Rosa names in the mags, with the exception of a specific old Hero Illustrated magazine that interviewed Don Rosa and maybe Comic Book Marketplace (never had the chance to read CBM). I only have the chance to read Wizard magazine here. And in this so-called "Guide to comics", i've never read anything about Barks, Rosa or even Disney comics in general, not even mentioning of their names. With the return of Disney comics in USA, i was hoping their recent issues will spare a spotlight about it but ... Anyway, here's a new Barks quiz: "Havent we taken enough guff from this tough?" (I practically laugh out loud when i read this sentence first time in the story) Keep On Quacking, Arie Fachrisal (not from Singapore) and a guy named Joe from Singapore From kyrimis at cti.gr Mon Jul 14 10:07:25 2003 From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 11:07:25 +0300 Subject: Stuffing, dressing, and custard guns In-Reply-To: <20030711104727.BD2F7BEA3D@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> References: <20030711104727.BD2F7BEA3D@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Message-ID: <3F1264BD.3020907@cti.gr> DANIEL: >>I'm sure you've had dinner at some relative who would not be convinced >>that you had eaten enough if you'd only had one helping! > > No. This was not the case. I wasn't referring to the particular dinner you had with your American friend, but to having dinner at one's relatives in general. I remember, e.g., having dinner at my grandmother's: after being stuffed with all sorts of food, she would then proclaim: "I know you like blue cheese, so I got half a kilo for you", probably expecting me to eat it all, before she served dessert! Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr) (WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis) ----- "I'm getting the funny feeling that I will have been here before." ----- -- Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr) (WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis) ----- "I'm getting the funny feeling that I will have been here before." ----- From dve at kabelfoon.nl Mon Jul 14 10:29:58 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 10:29:58 +0200 Subject: Santiago's Barks quote Message-ID: <20030714081435.2B242BE70E@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> SANTIAGO to me, 10-07-2003: > "Beat it, you clammy ragbag! What's the idea?" > Which Barks story? Can you give a small hint? --- Dani?l From dve at kabelfoon.nl Mon Jul 14 13:35:15 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:35:15 +0200 Subject: Coo-Coo question (Barks) Message-ID: <20030714111950.D51E6BE575@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> In private, I've been asked the following question: "I have an original copy of " Coo-Coo " and according to the Bruce Hamilton website there is only 1 known copy in the world." Does someone know where exactly this information by Bruce Hamilton can be found? Or can someone quote the information? I couldn't find it at http://www.brucehamilton.com. What I would like to know is: - Does the information mean that only one issue number exists? (In other words, there's no "Coo-Coo No. 2"?) - Does the information mean that there's only one copy of "Coo-Coo No. 1", because ALL other copies of "Coo-Coo No. 1" got lost during the years? - Does the information mean both? (Only one issue number exists, which also is the ONLY surviving copy, because ALL other copies got lost during the years?) I find the first meaning most likely, but I would like to know for sure. --- Dani?l From reimersholme at hotmail.com Mon Jul 14 14:20:51 2003 From: reimersholme at hotmail.com (Stefan Persson) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:20:51 +0200 Subject: Coo-Coo question (Barks) Message-ID: >From: "Daniel van Eijmeren" >To: >Subject: Coo-Coo question (Barks) >Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:35:15 +0200 > >In private, I've been asked the following question: > >"I have an original copy of " Coo-Coo " and according to the >Bruce Hamilton website there is only 1 known copy in the world." > >Does someone know where exactly this information by Bruce Hamilton >can be found? Or can someone quote the information? I couldn't find >it at http://www.brucehamilton.com. I made a Google search: http://www.google.com/search?as_q=&num=10&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&btnG=Google-s%C3%B6kning&as_epq=Coo-Coo&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.brucehamilton.com%2F Google didn't find it either, meaning that it isn't there. >What I would like to know is: > >- Does the information mean that only one issue number exists? >(In other words, there's no "Coo-Coo No. 2"?) > >- Does the information mean that there's only one copy of "Coo-Coo >No. 1", because ALL other copies of "Coo-Coo No. 1" got lost during >the years? > >- Does the information mean both? (Only one issue number exists, >which also is the ONLY surviving copy, because ALL other copies >got lost during the years?) > >I find the first meaning most likely, but I would like to know for >sure. This guy's message means the second, but it is highly unlikely that this actually is the case. It is likely that the person who asked you the question has misunderstood something. Stefan _________________________________________________________________ Hitta r?tt p? n?tet med MSN S?k http://search.msn.se/ From kyrimis at cti.gr Mon Jul 14 14:23:45 2003 From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 15:23:45 +0300 Subject: Coo-Coo question (Barks) In-Reply-To: <20030714111950.D51E6BE575@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> References: <20030714111950.D51E6BE575@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Message-ID: <3F12A0D1.2030706@cti.gr> > - Does the information mean both? (Only one issue number exists, > which also is the ONLY surviving copy, because ALL other copies > got lost during the years?) This would actually appear to be the case. According to http://www.brucehamilton.com/hamilton/coocoo.html: "There never was a second issue, and the first must have been distributed in an extremely small quantity, as there is only one copy known to exist today." If what you have is not the facsimile to which the above page refers, you probably have something very rare and valuable in your hands! Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr) (WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis) ----- "I'm getting the funny feeling that I will have been here before." ----- From thomas at duckburg.dk Mon Jul 14 14:35:11 2003 From: thomas at duckburg.dk (Thomas Pryds Lauritsen) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:35:11 +0200 Subject: Coo-Coo question (Barks) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F12A37F.90902@duckburg.dk> From: "Daniel van Eijmeren" >> Does someone know where exactly this information by Bruce Hamilton >> can be found? Or can someone quote the information? I couldn't find >> it at http://www.brucehamilton.com. Stefan Persson wrote: > I made a Google search: > > http://www.google.com/search?as_q=&num=10&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&btnG=Google-s%C3%B6kning&as_epq=Coo-Coo&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.brucehamilton.com%2F > > Google didn't find it either, meaning that it isn't there. I'm not sure why your search failed, but this one does give a few results: http://www.google.com/search?q=Coo-Coo+site%3Abrucehamilton.com One of those is http://www.brucehamilton.com/hamilton/coocoo.html where the following quote is taken from: "There never was a second issue, and the first must have been distributed in an extremely small quantity, as there is only one copy known to exist today." Thomas From cien2 at cbn.net.id Mon Jul 14 16:33:01 2003 From: cien2 at cbn.net.id (Arie Fachrisal) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:33:01 +0700 Subject: Gum (OT) References: <200307131941.h6DJfev26451@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <001701c34a14$d7dea580$4e779eca@cien2> > From: "Olivier" > >>>"Howdy, Bud! I'm from the South, myself -- south Burbank!" > > DDA 223, "Lost in the Andes". > Surely one of Barks' best lines. > Gum anyone? Sure, i was here to kick @ss and chew bubble gum. and i was all out of bubble gum. Keep On Chewing, Arie Fachrisal who wonders how a square bubble would look like in real life. From Goofy313g at aol.com Tue Jul 15 21:11:53 2003 From: Goofy313g at aol.com (Goofy313g@aol.com) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:11:53 EDT Subject: Duck Family Tree (need help from dutch fellows) Message-ID: Hi! I updated my trees section : http://goofy313g.free.fr/calisota_online/trees/index.html but i still miss one it has been published in "Die tollsten Geschichten von Donald Duck 137" if anyone could provide a scan or at least informations about the author, the appearing characters etc, that'd be great here you can see a little pic of this tree on the cover of the magazine, but it's too little to understand anything : http://www.coverscans.com/view2.asp?image=1731 Gilles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030715/a7a5767c/attachment.html From lists-read at thoddi.de Tue Jul 15 22:01:14 2003 From: lists-read at thoddi.de (Thorsten Bremer) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:01:14 +0200 Subject: List-Homepage down Message-ID: <199938629.20030715220114@thoddi.de> Hello, whats wrong with the list-Homepage at http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml/ ? The complete webserver at stp.ling.uu.se seems to be down... -- Bis denne, < Thoddi From rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com Tue Jul 15 22:55:34 2003 From: rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com (rodney-selfhelpbikeco@juno.com) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 20:55:34 GMT Subject: walt kelly..... Message-ID: <20030715.165539.15706.269437@webmail12.nyc.untd.com> I'm just glad to know that I'm not the only person here shocked that a self-proclaimed "serious reader" (who only puts 2 or 3 others in his/her company) is seemingly unaware of Walt Kelly. Surely "serious readers" of Disney comics would recognize Kelly, if not for his amazing work on his own strip, for the covers that he did for most of the first 100 issues (or so) of Walt Disney's Comics and Stories. But what do I know? I'm no "serious reader", or I assume as much because I was left off of this short, short list of people who meet that description. rodney. ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From xephyr at cwnet.com Tue Jul 15 23:11:55 2003 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (xephyr@cwnet.com) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:11:55 -0700 Subject: Barks' CooCoo Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030715/9d58eed2/attachment.html From xephyr at cwnet.com Wed Jul 16 00:39:15 2003 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (xephyr@cwnet.com) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:39:15 -0700 Subject: DCML Server down? Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030716/26ff66e7/attachment.html From sgarciab at soluziona.com Wed Jul 16 08:46:01 2003 From: sgarciab at soluziona.com (sgarciab@soluziona.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 08:46:01 +0200 Subject: Santiago's Barks quote Message-ID: Daniel: >SANTIAGO to me, 10-07-2003: >> "Beat it, you clammy ragbag! What's the idea?" >> Which Barks story? >Can you give a small hint? Oh, yes (I forgot - excuse me): This is what Donald said in such a situation I would die of fear! Santiago. From dve at kabelfoon.nl Thu Jul 17 13:33:42 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:33:42 +0200 Subject: Arie's Barks quote quiz Message-ID: <20030717111832.41647BE8F4@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> ARIE FACHRISAL, 14-07-2003: > Anyway, here's a new Barks quiz: > "Havent we taken enough guff from this tough?" > (I practically laugh out loud when i read this sentence first time > in the story) It's Donald's comment "Haven't we taken ENOUGH GUFF from this TOUGH?", from the horse-radish story (OS 495). He says it on a raft, when Chisel McSue becomes a threat after just being rescued. --- Dani?l From dve at kabelfoon.nl Thu Jul 17 13:45:49 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:45:49 +0200 Subject: Stuffing, dressing, and custard guns Message-ID: <20030717113035.AB57A19FB1A@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> KRITON KYRIMIS to me, 14-07-2003: >>> I'm sure you've had dinner at some relative who would not be >>> convinced that you had eaten enough if you'd only had one helping! >> No. This was not the case. > I wasn't referring to the particular dinner you had with your > American friend, but to having dinner at one's relatives in general. Okay. I thought I was unclear, so that's why I clarified it. > I remember, e.g., having dinner at my grandmother's: after being > stuffed with all sorts of food, she would then proclaim: "I know > you like blue cheese, so I got half a kilo for you", probably > expecting me to eat it all, before she served dessert! Sounds very familiar! Maybe we have the same grandmother? :-) --- Dani?l From dve at kabelfoon.nl Fri Jul 18 12:40:47 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 12:40:47 +0200 Subject: DCML-server is working again Message-ID: <20030718102606.A5EBE19FB64@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> THORSTEN BREMER, 15-07-2003: > whats wrong with the list-Homepage at > http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml/ ? > The complete webserver at stp.ling.uu.se seems to be down... At this moment, it's running again. --- Dani?l From dve at kabelfoon.nl Fri Jul 18 12:41:06 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 12:41:06 +0200 Subject: Rich Bellacera's "scrubbed" email Message-ID: <20030718102607.9FE4819FB3D@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> RICH BELLACERA, 15-07-2003: > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030715/26ff66e7/attachment.htm Rich, these are the contents of your email. Take a look at: http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-July/023805.html Only after following the attachment-URL, I get the real contents of your email. Can you configure your email-programme to avoid this problem? Or is something wrong with the DCML-software? --- Dani?l From smalley58au at yahoo.com Fri Jul 18 16:01:58 2003 From: smalley58au at yahoo.com (Mark Small) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 07:01:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Rosa Quiz from first-timer Message-ID: <20030718140158.11039.qmail@web11202.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, My name is Mark and I am from Australia. It is with some embarassment to say that I have been lurking on this list for nearly three years. I remember that after Carl Barks died (it did get a mention in the mainstrem media here in Australia, but it wasn't big news), I got on the Internet to see what I could read about him. That is when I came across the DCML, I registered, and here I am now. Certainly the Mailing List has been a source of information, enjoyment and amusement for me, especially in those dark days after Gladstone ceased publication of their comics. I followed the progess of Gemstone picking up the Disney licence, found links to Duck sites, heard via his own words what Don Rosa (my favourite artist after Barks) was up to, taken part in surveys to nominate Duckburg's most famous landscapes and more recently tested my knowledge with the Bark's trivia quiz. More importantly though, it gave me a way to collect Don Rosa's new stories in German, a language that my high school learning allows me to struggle through. I was beginning to think I'd never see these stories in English, my native language, again. Anyway this is what has prompted me to "put pen to paper" (er - finger to keyboard) to say thank you to the DCML and the people behind it. Several times in the past I came close to de-lurking. There were some mails that I thought, I know the answer to this or I can contribute here, but often the question was asked AND answered within the same batch of emails (how is that done?) or, after not having logged on for a few days, and being faced with a daunting backlog of mails, finding that issues had been resolved or were now "old news". Well that is my excuse. I was so happy to get Gemstone's premiere issues, very well put together, and with Rosa's "The Dutchmans Secret", but there was a bit of dismay. A bit expensive at US$7 (AUS $15 after air freight and local markup) so I doubt they will reach the mass market, which is Gemstone's aim. People like me will always buy them, but they are going to run into the same problem that Gladstone publications did -low circulation that makes it increasingly difficult to make a profit. Maybe they will fare better with the US$3 comics that will come out later. Time will tell if they make the mass distribution outlets (rather than the specialty comic shops) IF they are shipped by sea mail to Australia. Now, has anyone noticed this? In one Rosa story he pays homage to Orson Welles' classic "Citizen Cane". The dialogue from three panels is practically word for word straight from the movie - except the reference to Charles Foster Cane is changed to Cornelius Coot (that should be a clue). Even the illustrations, one with detailed shading effects, are derived from the movie. Hopefully this hasn't been covered before, because it is one of his earlier stories. Also I am talking about the American Gladstone edition, as I am sure the European translations would not have been aware of the dialogue. Can anyone identify this story, and the three panels in particular? Mark Small __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From slaab15 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Jul 18 16:09:53 2003 From: slaab15 at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Angus=20McDuck?=) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 15:09:53 +0100 (BST) Subject: Dream of a Lifetime in Dutch Message-ID: <20030718140953.54630.qmail@web21413.mail.yahoo.com> Hi everyone, First I want to congratulate Don Rosa with his birthday, Happy Birthday Don!! I know it's a bit late, but I didn't had the chance to congratulate on your birthday because I was on holiday then, and I've just returned this day. The other news I've is about that Dream of a Lifetime is finally published in the Dutch Donald Duck Extra, nr. 7,5. Because of the holidays, they've published an "Extra" DD Extra. And the main story is thus Don Rosa his story. The colouring was normal for Dutch publishin, sometimes the pages were brighter than others. And they've decided to put also the extra recap page in the story, at the proper place if it was a multi-part story, whitch it isn't but our Dutch publishers are famous about this sort of stuff... Anyway, I found it a great story!! One of the best you've made Don. The only story yet not published in Holland is "Forget It". A bit strange maybe, because it's older than Dream of a Lifetime but I'm sure he'll be published this year or so. Greetings Bernard Slaa --------------------------------- Want to chat instantly with your online friends??Get the FREE Yahoo!Messenger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030718/3c60f4a8/attachment.html From dve at kabelfoon.nl Fri Jul 18 16:33:17 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 16:33:17 +0200 Subject: Extra Donald Duck Extra in The Netherlands Message-ID: <20030718141756.28F7019FBC5@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> This week, an extra Donald Duck Extra has been published in The Netherlands. Issue number is "7 1/2". It has twice as much pages as a normal Donald Duck Extra, and it can only be bought in the shops. It's unavailable via subscription. Here's a quick overview of the contents: D 2002-033 - 26 pages - US - Dream of a Lifetime (Rosa) H 9879 - 1 page - DD - special place for smokers in restaurant (Milton?) D 2001-135 - 14 pages - DD- potion that weakens enemies (Rota?) D 7096 - 9 pages - BB - ring in chocolate box (...) H 94147 - 1 page - DD - tree in garden (...) D 2001-160 - 12 pages - DD - winner in turkey town (...) RPDD 2503 - 1 page - US - greengrocer is an old class mate (...) I hope I didn't make any typo's. This email is just intended as an announcement of a publication. Some people may not be aware of its existance. BTW. "Dream of a Lifetime" is published in the two-part version. There seem to be two typo's in the story. On page 20, Donald says "Donald" to the young Scrooge. On page 25, Gyro says "mnee Duck" instead of "meneer Duck". --- Dani?l From dve at kabelfoon.nl Fri Jul 18 17:10:15 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 17:10:15 +0200 Subject: Questions and answers "within the same batch of emails" Message-ID: <20030718145453.45F4A19FB33@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> MARK SMALL, 18-07-2003: > There were some mails that I thought, I know the answer to this > or I can contribute here, but often the question was asked AND > answered within the same batch of emails (how is that done?) I think you have a "digest"-subscription. A digest collects an amount of emails before it's sent out. You can choose to get the emails in real time, instead. It's also possible to choose *both* options. (Digests *and* real time emails.) I think you can find information about this subject at http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml BTW. Some digest-only people go to http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-July/date.html There you can see emails coming in, if you use the refresh-button. The overview of this section can be found at: http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/ --- Dani?l From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Fri Jul 18 17:11:11 2003 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 17:11:11 +0200 Subject: Questions and answers "within the same batch of emails" Message-ID: <0DD8055E0FECF744B5FF8053F80C4A2D01193272@l07.oase.research.kpn.com> Dani?l wrote: > It's also > possible to choose *both* options. (Digests *and* real time emails.) How is that done? I didn't manage to get both options to the *same* e-mail address. --Harry. From xephyr at cwnet.com Fri Jul 18 17:00:23 2003 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (xephyr@cwnet.com) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 08:00:23 -0700 Subject: Rich Bellacera's "scrubbed" email Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030718/514682de/attachment.html From dve at kabelfoon.nl Fri Jul 18 17:29:12 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 17:29:12 +0200 Subject: Questions and answers "within the same batch of emails" Message-ID: <20030718151350.93260BEB89@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> HARRY FLUKS to me, 18-07-2003: >> It's also possible to choose *both* options. (Digests *and* >> real time emails.) > How is that done? I didn't manage to get both options to the > *same* e-mail address. Has something changed, then? --- Dani?l From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Fri Jul 18 17:18:47 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 17:18:47 +0200 Subject: Rosa Quiz from first-timer (answer) References: <20030718140158.11039.qmail@web11202.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001a01c34d3f$e3d56f80$788f3351@computer> Hi everyone! Mark: >>> My name is Mark and I am from Australia. It is with >>> some embarassment to say that I have been lurking on >>> this list for nearly three years. Welcome in the DCML's spotlight! >>> Now, has anyone noticed this? In one Rosa story he >>> pays homage to Orson Welles' classic "Citizen Cane". >>> The dialogue from three panels is practically word for >>> word straight from the movie - except the reference to >>> Charles Foster Cane is changed to Cornelius Coot (that >>> should be a clue). Even the illustrations, one with >>> detailed shading effects, are derived from the movie. Oh noooo. You've reminded me of yet another thing I lost when my hard disk crashed last month. I had made a page with Citizen Kane references in Don Rosa, with scans from two stories and captures from the corresponding scenes. I have just browsed through my site(s) and can't find them (in case I had already uploaded the pages, perhaps to show somebody). I had forgotten about this page. :( :( :( :( :( I guess you're thinking of panels 1-3 p 5 of "His Majesty, McDuck" (U$A 14, August 1989; Don Rosa Album 4), where the ducks read "the chapters in Mr Coot's manuscript regarding Fort Duckburg" at the Coot Memorial Library. panel 3 duplicates a shot from the movie. Best wishes to all, Olivier-- looking forward to more Barks/Rosa quizes From anders_sivebaek at nns.dk Fri Jul 18 18:10:18 2003 From: anders_sivebaek at nns.dk (Anders Christian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Siveb=E6k?=) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 18:10:18 +0200 Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 5, Issue 24 - Mark and Bernard In-Reply-To: <200307181411.h6IEB9v26738@numerus.ling.uu.se> References: <200307181411.h6IEB9v26738@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: Hi all Mark (welcome after 3 years of lurking :-) > >There were some >mails that I thought, I know the answer to this or I >can contribute here, but often the question was asked >AND answered within the same batch of emails (how is >that done?) First of all, the same thing is probably going to happen here... well, you see you can subscribe to DCML in two ways - get every mail by itself or in digests. i get the digest, as I suppose you do. Maybe Per would find it appropriate to tell us how many do it one way and how many the other? But in any case my advice would be: If you have an answer to a question - well go on and send it - so what if the answer is mailed by some different people - you might have some info that none of the others had! I know how you probably feel about being able to read duck comics in your own mother's tongue again - all friends here in that situation: i's absolutely wonderfull, I presume? :-) I just ordered a subscription via that danish comics shop today, except for the first US, as Gary has bought that for me. But i agree on the prices - it?s probably to high to get younger fans cought on the stuff. - The Scandinavian publisher has a different strategy there, by rightly making the magazine suitable for kids, as was discussed a month ago (I am behind on my digests). Because we older fans will buy the whole bunch anyway! I halfly buy the comics to read them, and they are good stories. maybe quarterly to have a full collection, but also - and I know it's a drop in the see, give my 10 cents to keep them publishing this or that great magazine. That's not totally true for the monthly extra comic 8called Mickey Mouse in my neighbouring countries - and in Sweden it's been bi-monthly for some years) I once said i wish it would stop - it's mostly reprints and other not-so-significant stories. But hey? For the kids, it's the first time they read the things - so if they like this, the 5th duck magazine of the month (the usual weekly making the first 4) let them buy it - and so will i continue to do. my collection is complete, except for one issue from 1999...) I hope they'll eventually have an article page there or such - maybe telling about the stories published in the mag. > >Can anyone identify this story, and the three panels >in particular? Of course - it?s king Scrooge by Don. You probably know about the other references to this classic movie in Don's other comics? In Lo$ chapter 12 the first pages are really ripped out of the movie because Don loves it. - In The incredible shrinking tightwad the rosebud-sled is somewhere in scrooges storage room. > Bernard > >The other news I've is about that Dream of a Lifetime is finally >published = >in the Dutch Donald Duck Extra, nr. 7,5. Because of the holidays, they've >p= >ublished an "Extra" DD Extra. Nice - They did that too with the danish extra in the 80'es two years in a row... >And the main story is thus Don Rosa his story= >. The colouring was normal for Dutch publishin, sometimes the pages were >br= >ighter than others. And they've decided to put also the extra recap page >in= > the story, at the proper place if it was a multi-part story, whitch it >isn= >'t but our Dutch publishers are famous about this sort of stuff... Well, shows Don's sort of hidden agenda worked - that was exactly the plan AFAIK - the publishers who notice this page and see that it's meant for publishing the story in two parts, will cancel it if they publish it in one part. And the publishers who... well, i haven't ever found out about the dutch publisher and their Extra... they seem to think Don's stories deserve this nice extra issue... Well, this publishers readers don't miss anything, as they get a page of extra, unncessary gags. The reason the norwegian publisher published this extra page of the story? well, maybe they want to give the readers the joy of reading this extra page? >Anyway, I found it a great story!! One of the best you've made Don. I think I've exclaimed the same here, or personally to Don. Should don have not started again after the "strike", this would have been a nice last story! Really going out with a slam - that last drawing... Oh, I wont spoil the joy, but look forward to it being published in the gemstone-comics :-) >The only story = >yet not published in Holland is "Forget It". A bit strange maybe, because >i= >t's older than Dream of a Lifetime but I'm sure he'll be published this >yea= >r or so. Maybe they saw the title as an order?? Forget it! - okay the editors say - the guy obviously wants us to forget about this story - for once we'll follow orders :-) > (only joking - I'd enjoy actually meeting the dutch editors - I actually have heard that they are great duckfans, maybe just not that big Rosa-fans. ) Hilsen/Yours Anders Christian Siveb?k Donaldist From olaf at andebyonline.com Fri Jul 18 18:16:33 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 18:16:33 +0200 Subject: Digests or not (was: Re: DCML Digest, Vol 5, Issue 24 - Mark and Bernard) References: <200307181411.h6IEB9v26738@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <001901c34d47$f51cada0$0900000a@olaftheblue> > First of all, the same thing is probably going to happen here... > well, you see you can subscribe to DCML in two ways - > get every mail by itself or in digests. i get the digest, as I > suppose you do. Maybe Per would find it appropriate to > tell us how many do it one way and how many the other? Maybe Per can, but so can anyone of us, I guess. The information is online. Follow the URL at the bottom of this letter, click "Visit subscriber list", and... voil?. 142 Non-digested Members of DCML. 889 Digested Members of DCML. (18.07.2003 18:15) Olaf From lgiver at postoffice.pacbell.net Fri Jul 18 18:35:50 2003 From: lgiver at postoffice.pacbell.net (lgiver@postoffice.pacbell.net) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 09:35:50 -0700 Subject: Another Barks quote Message-ID: <3F1821E6.5030707@postoffice.pacbell.net> We're back up again after several down days. I get digest emails, packs of about 10 posts, but when there is a discussion that I find particularly interesting, I don't wait for the email; I just go to the website directly to see the latest posts. A few days ago I found something surprising that I hadn't taken notice of before. Who knows which story this Barks quote is from: :You can't do this to us! We're junior members of the bear cub rangers!" Best wishes, Larry Giver. From xephyr at cwnet.com Fri Jul 18 18:49:00 2003 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (xephyr@cwnet.com) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 09:49:00 -0700 Subject: Denmark: Anders And & Co. (AA1991B34) Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030718/95979db8/attachment.html From anders_sivebaek at nns.dk Fri Jul 18 19:06:38 2003 From: anders_sivebaek at nns.dk (Anders Christian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Siveb=E6k?=) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 19:06:38 +0200 Subject: Digests or not (was: Re: DCML Digest, Vol 5, Issue 24 - Mark and Bernard) In-Reply-To: <001901c34d47$f51cada0$0900000a@olaftheblue> References: <200307181411.h6IEB9v26738@numerus.ling.uu.se> <,> <001901c34d47$f51cada0$0900000a@olaftheblue> Message-ID: Hi > Olaf > >Maybe Per can, but so can anyone of us, I guess. The information is >online. >Follow the URL at the bottom of this letter, click "Visit subscriber >list", >and... voil?. I didn't know that - Guess it's slipped my ears or so. Thanks > >142 Non-digested Members of DCML. >889 Digested Members of DCML. >(18.07.2003 18:15) My (non-spoken) presumption was correct - the mayority reads dcml via digests. :-) > > Hilsen/Yours Anders Christian Siveb?k Donaldist From xephyr at cwnet.com Fri Jul 18 18:55:25 2003 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (xephyr@cwnet.com) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 09:55:25 -0700 Subject: Denmark: Anders And & Co. (AA1991B34) Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030718/988a3a9b/attachment.pl From xephyr at cwnet.com Fri Jul 18 19:00:47 2003 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (xephyr@cwnet.com) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:00:47 -0700 Subject: Gastonomical Statistics! Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030718/edb2e903/attachment.html From xephyr at cwnet.com Fri Jul 18 19:15:21 2003 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (xephyr@cwnet.com) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:15:21 -0700 Subject: Gipfel-Duck Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030718/6b99c9be/attachment.html From xephyr at cwnet.com Fri Jul 18 19:22:22 2003 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (xephyr@cwnet.com) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:22:22 -0700 Subject: Gastonomical Statistics! Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030718/f6d3fc17/attachment.pl From xephyr at cwnet.com Fri Jul 18 19:27:26 2003 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (xephyr@cwnet.com) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:27:26 -0700 Subject: Gipfel-Duck = Kildare Coot? Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030718/4ca20f54/attachment.pl From xephyr at cwnet.com Fri Jul 18 19:53:41 2003 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:53:41 -0700 Subject: Clarence Cluck (Clara's nephew?) U MMA 7-B67 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030718/bcbefcbc/attachment.pl From thomas at duckburg.dk Fri Jul 18 20:06:00 2003 From: thomas at duckburg.dk (Thomas Pryds Lauritsen) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 20:06:00 +0200 Subject: Denmark: Anders And & Co. (AA1991B34) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F183708.2090302@duckburg.dk> xephyr at cwnet.com wrote: > http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?DC+AA1991B34 > > Anyone have this issue/story? I do. But notice that it's a cover, though. > I'm curious about Minnie's nieces. > > The INDUCKS states that they appear, but I was wondering if one, two or three > nieces appear and what they look like. Two nieces of Minnie appear. Here's a scan of the cover: http://server.cout.dk/dc_aa1991b34.jpg Thomas From xephyr at cwnet.com Fri Jul 18 20:52:18 2003 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 11:52:18 -0700 Subject: Denmark: Anders And & Co. (AA1991B34) Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030718/ea6c5ded/attachment.pl From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sat Jul 19 11:10:41 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 11:10:41 +0200 Subject: Rich Bellacera's "scrubbed" email Message-ID: <20030719085520.1B00C19FDB4@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> RICH BELLACERA to me, 18-07-2003 > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030718/514682de/attachmen t-0001.htm You're email is scrubbed, again. Which email programme (and which version) are you using? --- Dani?l From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sat Jul 19 11:53:29 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 11:53:29 +0200 Subject: Dutch editors and Don Rosa Message-ID: <20030719093806.73DEA19FD26@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> ANDERS CHRISTIAN SIVEBAEK to BERNARD, 18-07-2003: > (only joking - I'd enjoy actually meeting the dutch editors - > I actually have heard that they are great duckfans, maybe just > not that big Rosa-fans. ) Don Rosa's stories are frequently published in The Netherlands. The editors seem to desire to publish all stories. They are the main stories of many montly Donald Duck Extra. They are reprinted in *albums*, which rarely happens to artists other than Carl Barks. So, what MORE is needed to be equivalent to a "big Rosa-fan"? The Dutch editors have also used improper versions of Barks's stories (like missing panels, or even pages). They sometimes change Barks's words in the translations. They have used/re-used odd colouring for Barks's art. They redraw Barks's covers. Maybe this means they're not much of a Barks fan, either? Here on DCML, the Dutch editors seem to have a bad reputation when it comes to Don Rosa. This has been going on for years, as long as I can remember. Do they really deserve that bad reputation, given the efforts I've just mentioned? Or are there other reasons? --- Dani?l From smalley58au at yahoo.com Sat Jul 19 15:31:19 2003 From: smalley58au at yahoo.com (Mark Small) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 06:31:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Citizen Cane Message-ID: <20030719133119.93945.qmail@web11208.mail.yahoo.com> Hello all, Thank you for your nice welcome and I am very impressed that an answer came so quickly, from two people! I only came across it by one of those coincidences that seem to happen. I had taped "Citizen Cane" when it was on TV because it was on too late to watch. I then watched the tape soon after reading "His Majesty McDuck" (or it may have been the other way around) when the story first came out, and noting the similarities, had the tape to replay to confirm them. I have since learned that that movie was a favourite (among others) of Don Rosa's, and as you point out the introduction to LoS No. 12, he made it pretty obvious. Still, I thought that the refererence to the Cane archives might be hard to spot - well done. Thanks too for clearing up my question about the sending of the emails as either individuals or digests. Mark __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Goofy313g at aol.com Sat Jul 19 15:39:13 2003 From: Goofy313g at aol.com (Goofy313g@aol.com) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 09:39:13 EDT Subject: Gipfel-Duck Message-ID: <7f.3a46daeb.2c4aa401@aol.com> Gipfel-Duck being in fact Sgrizzo is a good idea, i've already thought about it, but: -1) : he doesn't look like him enough, and he doesn't even wears the same clothes, although he seems to be an equally wacky character -2) : I don't see ANY italian characters i this tree... Gilles ps : Rich, do you know the origin of the van horn duck family tree you introduced to me a while ago (date, source...) thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rich Bellacera From reimersholme at hotmail.com Sat Jul 19 18:04:29 2003 From: reimersholme at hotmail.com (Stefan Persson) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 18:04:29 +0200 Subject: Questions and answers "within the same batch of emails" Message-ID: >From: >To: , >Subject: RE: Questions and answers "within the same batch of emails" >Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 17:11:11 +0200 > >Dani?l wrote: > > > It's also > > possible to choose *both* options. (Digests *and* real time emails.) > >How is that done? I didn't manage to get both options to the *same* e-mail >address. That feature was removed when Per changed to Mailman. Now you have to subscribe two *different* e-mail addresses in order to get both options. Stefan _________________________________________________________________ L?ttare att hitta dr?mresan med MSN Resor http://www.msn.se/resor/ From anders_sivebaek at nns.dk Sat Jul 19 19:31:59 2003 From: anders_sivebaek at nns.dk (Anders Christian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Siveb=E6k?=) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 19:31:59 +0200 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Dani=EBl?=- Rosa and Barks in Netherlands In-Reply-To: <200307191541.h6JFfPv20021@numerus.ling.uu.se> References: <200307191541.h6JFfPv20021@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: Hi all Dani?l: > >> (only joking - I'd enjoy actually meeting the dutch editors - >> I actually have heard that they are great duckfans, maybe just >> not that big Rosa-fans. ) I repeat that - i would like to meet them so we could clear up this long-time misunderstandment, as it probably is. > > >Don Rosa's stories are frequently published in The Netherlands. >The editors seem to desire to publish all stories. >They are the main stories of many montly Donald Duck Extra. >They are reprinted in *albums*, which rarely happens to artists >other than Carl Barks. >So, what MORE is needed to be equivalent to a "big Rosa-fan"? I'm being to hard on them - but I just see the different monthlies in Europe, like Zio Paperone, Donald Duck Sonderheft and Komix - and compare them to DD Extra - There's nothing much wrong with the extra, when you look at it as itself (heck, ours is even worse!) - and the mayoirty of the dutch readers are in that situation. But when one can compare it looks strange to see a nice magazine - but with covers made by another atist, or maybe just traced by another artist. The story inside is printed in one part - but the version that is meant for publishing in several issues is printed. Those two things are the only things I see wrong with the printing of Rosa in the extra - it's not much, but it's there. But all that doesn't mean that the editors can't be big Rosa-fans - I wouldn't know, I have no contact with them. > >The Dutch editors have also used improper versions of Barks's >stories (like missing panels, or even pages). Does this make the whole thing better, if I may so ask? Rosa is, maybe to say the most perhaps the heir - an apprentice who didn't meet the "wizard" untill 1998. - Barks is, in the yes of many the big master - and they treat the versions of his stories with the same care? Is it impossible to find the original prints, so they could reconstruct what deisappered under resume-boxes or put in again the pages that are gone? The italian publishers does this - so why can't the dutch. >They sometimes change Barks's words in the translations. Well - translators often do that. Actually i'd like to know about the dutch tradition of translating! I've heard about Erika Fuchs and Peter Daibenzeiher (Germany), Per Westrin and Stefan Di?s (Sweden), Sonja Rindom and Niels S?ndergaard (Denmark) and i don't remember more names right now. These people have had different traditions of translating - either faithful to the original, or maybe more independant How are the dutch translators? >They have used/re-used odd colouring for Barks's art. Well, I wouldn't accept that happily - > >They redraw Barks's covers. >Maybe this means they're not much of a Barks fan, either? I again can't know about that before I meat them. But it sure doesn't make the case better that they treat the stories of the master in the same way as they do with "The new Duckmaster" (That's the name of a homepage) But you dutch people have told me before they have this tradition of redrawng covers and other things - Only the first couple of albums with barks-stories had Barks- covers in Netherland, then it was stopped - Why is that? I'd like to hear the reason for this I don't believe that they don't find the many covers that Barks and others have made not good enough? > >Here on DCML, the Dutch editors seem to have a bad reputation when >it comes to Don Rosa. This has been going on for years, as long as >I can remember. Do they really deserve that bad reputation, given >the efforts I've just mentioned? Or are there other reasons? There sure isn't anything more in my criticism than the fact that *I* think they could put a little more effort into some of these things. Some of the other dutch Rosa-readers I've mailed with think the same... But having said all this I do have an almost complete Rosa-collection in dutch, why that's why I know about the publications. I'm only missing the newest extras and albums. Hilsen/Yours Anders Christian Siveb?k Donaldist From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sat Jul 19 22:55:28 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 22:55:28 +0200 Subject: Mastering the Matterhorn (OS 1025) Message-ID: <20030719204012.6F1AA19FE44@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> OLIVIER, 11-06-2001 About "Mastering the Matterhorn", OS 1025: > "Matterhorn" is indeed a feature of the original [Disneyland] park > in Anaheim, but this Matterhorn is the real mountain: the story does > not take place in the park; the latter only inspired Barks this > exotic locale. In panel 1.5, Donald says that somebody else must be using the toboggan. Could the toboggan (or "Toboggan"?) be a reference to Disneyland? Is (or was) it an attraction, for example? --- Dani?l From thomas at duckburg.dk Sun Jul 20 11:02:02 2003 From: thomas at duckburg.dk (Thomas Pryds Lauritsen) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 11:02:02 +0200 Subject: Pluto Saves the Ship In-Reply-To: <200212180957.10577.kyrimis@cti.gr> References: <3DFF35BC.1040408@duckburg.dk> <200212180957.10577.kyrimis@cti.gr> Message-ID: <3F1A5A8A.8080205@duckburg.dk> December 17, last year, I was looking for details about a Greek printing of Pluto Saves the Ship. Kriton was able to give me this info below. > THOMAS: >>In my collection I have "found" a greek reprint of Pluto Saves the Ship >>in B5 format. >>This seems not to be indexed in Inducks, however, so I wondered where >>exactly this issue comes from. Kriton Kyrimis wrote: > I believe it was given as a gift to subscribers of Komix. This is why > there was no price on it; you could only get it for free, along with > your subscription. Unfortunately, noone seemed to know which issue of KOMIX it came with, though, and the issue is not indexed in INDUCKS, either. Therefore, if someone knows, I'd appreciate it much if they'd share the info with me. Scans of the first pages can be found here: http://server.cout.dk/gr_pluto_001.jpg http://server.cout.dk/gr_pluto_002.jpg http://server.cout.dk/gr_pluto_003.jpg Thanks in advance, Thomas From reimersholme at hotmail.com Sun Jul 20 11:14:21 2003 From: reimersholme at hotmail.com (Stefan Persson) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 11:14:21 +0200 Subject: A good tool Message-ID: >From: dcml >To: reimersholme at hotmail.com >Subject: A good tool >Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 00:41:01 -0700 > >Hi,This is a good tool >I hope you would enjoy it. Er, what kind of tool? Stefan _________________________________________________________________ L?ttare att hitta dr?mresan med MSN Resor http://www.msn.se/resor/ From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sun Jul 20 15:07:36 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 15:07:36 +0200 Subject: See the sun 10c (DD 71) Message-ID: <20030720125212.33D9819FB76@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Barks's art-only "see the sun 10c" cover (DD 71) shows a rather dangerous scene, of the category "don't try this at home". Donald gets burned by the sun's rays as they pass through a telescope. (http://www.seriesam.com/barks/dc_dd071_sm.jpg) The main focus of the cover seems to be rear end humour. Donald's rear end is burned by the sun. But wouldn't the same thing happen if you pay 10 cents to put your EYES behind the telescope's lens, to have a detailed look at the sun? Looking into the sun *without* a telescope already damages the eyes, and will result in blindness. (A sun-protected telescope won't burn the eyes or the rear end, but then the cover's joke wouldn't work.) Was this danger still unknown in the early 1960s? Is that likely? In other instances, the editors asked Barks to change drawings because they showed scenes that kids might imitate. This seems such a drawing to me. Did the editor let this one slip through? Or was there a general lack of knowlegde about the sun's danger at that time? --- Dani?l From ari.seppi at iki.fi Sun Jul 20 22:46:12 2003 From: ari.seppi at iki.fi (Ari Seppi) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 23:46:12 +0300 Subject: COA is back Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030720225324.02bd8c20@imap.uta.fi> As the subject says COA - a search engine for Inducks Disney comics database - is online again, this time with a new URL: http://coa.inducks.org/ Because of bandwidth restrictions downloading internal or output files is not possible this time, sorry. -- Ari Seppi (ari.seppi at iki.fi) http://www.iki.fi/mani/ From comicchar_shop at yahoo.com Mon Jul 21 00:53:10 2003 From: comicchar_shop at yahoo.com (dennis books) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 15:53:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Coo-Coo Message-ID: <20030720225310.12508.qmail@web12006.mail.yahoo.com> I have never seen a issue numbered #2, but that of course does not mean it does not exist. I do have an original issue of #1 which apparently takes the count of existing copies too at least three! Best...Dennis --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030721/2bf22e16/attachment.html From kyrimis at cti.gr Mon Jul 21 08:53:02 2003 From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 09:53:02 +0300 Subject: Pluto Saves the Ship Message-ID: <3F1B8DCE.9070802@cti.gr> THOMAS: > Kriton Kyrimis wrote: > >> I believe it was given as a gift to subscribers of Komix. This is why >> there was no price on it; you could only get it for free, along with >> your subscription. > > Unfortunately, noone seemed to know which issue of KOMIX it came with, > though, and the issue is not indexed in INDUCKS, either. Therefore, if > someone knows, I'd appreciate it much if they'd share the info with me. What I meant was that Pluto Saves The Ship was given as a enticement to subscribe. If you ordered a subscription, you would get Pluto Saves the Ship along with your first issue, regardless of when you subscribed. Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr) (WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis) ----- "Making things Right is my profession. Cheating Death's just a hobby..." ----- From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com Mon Jul 21 09:59:22 2003 From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 03:59:22 EDT Subject: Sales Figures For US 319/WDC 634 Message-ID: <15d.21c451a8.2c4cf75a@aol.com> Hi all! :) I thought you might be interested in the sales stats for WDC 634 and US 319 for June. Though apparently these are really the stats for orders made by comic book stores, but it's surely safe to assume that most of those copies were sold. 193. Uncle Scrooge 319 (8,215) 217. Walt Disney's Comics And Stories 634 (4,718) http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=105988 All in all, not too bad considering the price they were being sold for. Derek Smith -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030721/c27945f3/attachment.html From M.J.Prior at let.rug.nl Mon Jul 21 12:55:12 2003 From: M.J.Prior at let.rug.nl (Michiel Prior) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 12:55:12 +0200 Subject: Extra DD Extra in the Netherlands Message-ID: <3F1BE2B0.21699.F2B1D2@localhost> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030721/5af39f19/attachment.html From M.J.Prior at let.rug.nl Mon Jul 21 13:30:48 2003 From: M.J.Prior at let.rug.nl (Michiel Prior) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 13:30:48 +0200 Subject: Extra DD Extra in the Netherlands [retry] Message-ID: <3F1BEB08.21992.11349F0@localhost> DANIEL VAN EIJMEREN: >Thisweek,anextraDonaldDuckExtrahasbeenpublishedin >TheNetherlands.Issuenumberis71/2. I'veboughtitlastThursdayandIcansayit'saveryNICE issue.Let'sseeifwe'reabletoidentifythecontentsa littlebitfurther. >D2002-033-26pages-US-DreamofaLifetime(Rosa) Thiscertainlyisaveryfinestory.IlikeitMUCHbetter than'Gyro'sfirstinvention',whichwastoo'explanative'. NoticethattheDutcheditorsutterlyfailedtocomprehend Don's'fool-proofsystem'andpublishedtheextrarecap-page aswell.Well,maybeweshouldregarditasaBONUS-page. :) >H9879-1page-DD-specialplaceforsmokersin >restaurant(Milton?) It doesn'tlooklikeMiltontome.Couldthisgag'vebeen drawnbyROBKLEIN?(TheartworkevenlooksabitStrobl-ish.) >D2001-135-14pages-DD-potionthatweakensenemies (Rota?) ThisiscertainlyaRotastory.(Andold'WildDuck')HisDutch nameis'McWildMcDuck',whichlooksabitsilly.IsAndold reallyaSCOTTISHwarrior?Thepiratesinthisstorylookmuch moreScottish(wearingkilts). >D7096-9pages-BB-ringinchocolatebox AsfarasIcansee,withmyverylimitedexperiencein identifyingDuckart,thisisastorybyDanielBranca. AmIcorrect? >H94147-1page-DD-treeingarden(...)? >D2001-160-12pages-DD-winnerinturkeytown(...) AVicarstory.Donaldstartsanewlifeasa'winner'ina towninhabitedbyturkeys. This'alternateDuckburg'wasfoundedbyJacobusKrul,the turkeycounterpartofCornelisPrul. >RPDD2503-1page-US-greengrocerisanoldclassmate ThismustbeTobyStrobl. >BTW.DreamofaLifetime ispublishedinthetwo- >partversion.Thereseemtobetwotypo'sinthestory.On >page 20,Donaldsays"Donald" >totheyoungScrooge.Onpage25, >Gyrosays"mneeDuck"insteadof"meneerDuck". Onpage6:"alsiemandeenvraagTstelt".Butapartfromthose threetypo's,thisstorywasveryWELL-EDITED.Icanseethat someballoonswereenlarged,butit'sdoneverybeautifully, without'doublepanel-lines'.(Unlikein'Caballeros', 'CrusaderKings','Gyro's1st'.) Therecap-pagemaybeabitannoying,butitstextisadapted toone-partpublication.(Itdoesn'tread"Intheprevious episode:" butsomethinglike"Doyoustillunderstandthisa littlebit?Yes,youdo...aLITTLEbit.")Thetranslatorhas atleasttriedtogivethisstrangepagealogicalpositionin thestorytelling(explanation). Michiel Prior. P.S.: I hope this message will arrive without any annoying HTML- thingamajigs, or else my mood towards my mailing-programme will be close to murderous. From M.J.Prior at student.rug.nl Mon Jul 21 14:26:35 2003 From: M.J.Prior at student.rug.nl (M.J. Prior) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 14:26:35 +0200 Subject: Extra DD Extra in the Netherlands [re-retry] Message-ID: DANIEL VAN EIJMEREN: >This week, an extra Donald Duck Extra has been published >in The Netherlands. Issue number is 7 1/2. I've bought it last Thursday and I can say it's a very NICE issue. Let's see if we're able to identify the contents a little bit further. >D 2002-033 - 26 pages - US - Dream of a Lifetime (Rosa) This certainly is a very fine story. I like it MUCH better than 'Gyro's first invention', which was too 'explanative'. Notice that the Dutch editors utterly failed to comprehend Don's 'fool-proof system' and published the extra recap-page as well. Well, maybe we should regard it as a BONUS-page. :) >H 9879 - 1 page - DD - special place for smokers in >restaurant (Milton?) It doesn't look like Milton to me. Could this gag've been drawn by ROB KLEIN? (The artwork even looks a bit Strobl-ish.) >D 2001-135 - 14 pages - DD - potion that weakens enemies (Rota?) This is certainly a Rota story. (Andold 'Wild Duck') His Dutch name is 'McWild McDuck', which looks a bit silly. Is Andold really a SCOTTISH warrior? The pirates in this story look much more Scottish (wearing kilts). >D 7096 - 9 pages - BB - ring in chocolate box As far as I can see, with my very limited experience in identifying Duck-art, this is a story by Daniel Branca. Am I correct? >H 94147 - 1 page - DD - tree in garden (...)? >D 2001-160 - 12 pages - DD - winner in turkeytown (...) A Vicar story. Donald starts a new life as a 'winner' in a town inhabited by turkeys. This 'alternate Duckburg' was founded by Jacobus Krul, the turkey counterpart of Cornelis Prul (C.Coot). > RPDD 2503 - 1 page - US - greengrocer is an old classmate This must be Toby Strobl. >BTW. Dream of a Lifetime is published in the two- >part version. There seem to be two typo's in the story. On >page 20, Donald says "Donald" >to young Scrooge. On page 25, >Gyro says "mnee Duck" instead of "meneerDuck". On page 6: "als iemand een vraagT stelt". But apart from those three typo's, this story is very WELL-EDITED. I can see that some balloons were enlarged, but it's done very beautifully, without 'double panel-lines'. (Unlike in 'Caballeros', 'Crusader Kings', 'Gyro's 1st'.) The recap-page may be a bit annoying, but its text is adapted to one-part publication. (It doesn't read "In the previous episode:" but something like "Do you still understand this a little bit? Yes, of course you do... a LITTLE bit.") The translator has at least tried to give this strange page a logical position in the storytelling (explanation). Michiel Prior. P.S.: I've strangled my computer. You'll get this message by snail-mail. From sgarciab at soluziona.com Mon Jul 21 14:33:04 2003 From: sgarciab at soluziona.com (sgarciab@soluziona.com) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 14:33:04 +0200 Subject: A good tool (WARNING) Message-ID: Stefan Persson: >>From: dcml >>To: reimersholme at hotmail.com >>Subject: A good tool >>Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 00:41:01 -0700 >> >>Hi,This is a good tool >>I hope you would enjoy it. > >Er, what kind of tool? Stefan, looks as if you've received a virus from a false email direction (just observe that the FROM field actually is " dcml-bounces at stp.ling.uu.se", and not "dcml at stp.ling.uu.se"). That message wasn't posted to the list (It isn't logged into the list archives) and moreover, that is the kind of message usually comes with virus emails. I sincerely warn all of you not to open ANY executable attachment from an email message (as most of you already know), though the origin seems to be known and reliable. Santiago. From dve at kabelfoon.nl Mon Jul 21 15:56:45 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 15:56:45 +0200 Subject: Rival Boatmen changed in Carl Barks Library? Message-ID: <20030721134121.5386EBE88D@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> According to Michael Barrier's "Carl Barks and the Art of the Comic Book" (page 168), the title of Barks' WDC 45 story is "This Month's Thriller - Rival Boatmen". The reprint in The Carl Barks Library only contains "Rival Boatmen". Has the text "This Month's Thriller" been dropped from the reprint? If so, does someone have a scan of the original publication of the opening page? --- Dani?l From lgiver at postoffice.pacbell.net Mon Jul 21 17:05:53 2003 From: lgiver at postoffice.pacbell.net (lgiver@postoffice.pacbell.net) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 08:05:53 -0700 Subject: Toboggan on the Matterhorn Message-ID: <3F1C0151.8000809@postoffice.pacbell.net> Daniel asked if the Matterhorn at Disneyland park in Anaheim, California had a "toboggan" attraction. Indeed, the Matterhorn there is a roller-coaster ride. The tracks go around the mountain and through tunnels. There are many small segments that each hold about 4 riders, whereas many roller-coasters have only one long "train" for about 30 riders. Thus, each section for 4 riders on the Matterhorn roller-coaster is probably called a "toboggan", although I'm not sure if that's a commonly used term there. Best wishes, Larry Giver. From aapje2002 at hotmail.com Mon Jul 21 20:12:36 2003 From: aapje2002 at hotmail.com (Sander D.) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 20:12:36 +0200 Subject: Extra DD Extra in the Netherlands Message-ID: >D 2002-033 - 26 pages - US - Dream of a Lifetime (Rosa) Wow! Very nice they finally published it! I really like the Danish colouring this time. I got the French version some weeks ago, and I think I even like this colouring better (what is exceptional). >>H 9879 - 1 page - DD - special place for smokers in restaurant (Milton?) >It doesn't look like Milton to me. Could this gag've been >drawn by ROB KLEIN? (The artwork even looks a bit Strobl-ish.) For this kind of problems we have the (again online!) COA. The artist is Sander Gulien and the writer is Tom Bouden (I already thought it'd be Gulien or Milton). >>D 2001-135 - 14 pages - DD - potion that weakens enemies (Rota?) >This is certainly a Rota story. (Andold 'Wild Duck') His Dutch >name is 'McWild McDuck', which looks a bit silly. Is Andold >really a SCOTTISH warrior? The pirates in this story look much more >Scottish (wearing kilts). Wasn't his name in Holland 'McDuck' first? >>D 7096 - 9 pages - BB - ring in chocolate box >As far as I can see, with my very limited experience in >identifying Duck-art, this is a story by Daniel Branca. >Am I correct? Yup, it's Branca. BTW, I started to like his "Barks-60's" drawing style (first I didn't). >H 94147 - 1 page - DD - tree in garden (...)? Story: Jan Kruse; Art: 'Prodima' >>BTW. Dream of a Lifetime is published in the two- >>part version. There seem to be two typo's in the story. On page 20, Donald >>says "Donald" to young Scrooge. On page 25, Gyro says "mnee Duck" instead >>of "meneerDuck". >On page 6: "als iemand een vraagT stelt". On page 26, Goldie says "Dagobert" without "?" (it fell out of the balloon). And on page 1, they didn't look at their first translation of the text said by the two 'fireman' in 'Vigilante of the Pizen Bluff': they said "Wacht! Het water is bevroren! - Geen zorgen! De DRUK is hoog genoeg!" instead of "Wacht! De SLANG is bevroren! - De WATERDRUK verhelpt dat wel!". I liked the Extra Donald Duck Extra, but I don't like it that I had to buy it in the shop, having a subscription. Sander _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail en Messenger on the move http://www.msn.nl/communicatie/smsdiensten/hotmailsmsv2/ From shadz at email.com Mon Jul 21 21:13:24 2003 From: shadz at email.com (Shad Z.) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 12:13:24 -0700 Subject: Disney Adventures Volume 13, number 6 (August 2003) Message-ID: <20030721191324.8802.qmail@email.com> Disney Adventures Volume 13, number 6 (August 2003) This is probably the last time I will send this to the DCML, since us Americans are now getting lots of Disney comics goodness from Gemstone. Instead, I will learn how to be a contributor to INDUCKS and send Disney Adventures info directly there.... Matt Feazell's contents page doodlings ("Dizzy Adventures") are given story code JZ749 1) Finding Nemo: "A Lucky Move!", JZ750, 2 pages. Story by Michael Stewart. Art by Fabricio Grellet and Magic Eye Studios. Characters include Nemo and Squirt. 2) Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl: "Revenge of the Pirates!", JZ751, 10 pages. Story by Michael Stewart. Pencils by Steven Butler. Inks by Jim Amash. Characters include Captian Jack Sparrow, Cotton (and his parrot), Gibbs, Anamaria, Will Turner and Elizabeth Swan. NOTE: If you have watched the movie's lengthy credits, you might have noticed that all the pirates in the movie (the ones on Sparrow's crew and the undead ones on Barbarosa's crew) have names. But in the movie proper, few of the pirates are called by name. If I could match the names with faces, there would be many more named characters in the list above. 3) Lizzie McGuire: "Summer Camp Blues!", JZ752, 1 page. Story by John Green. No art credits. Characters include Lizzie McGuire's cartoon alter-ego. 4) Lilo & Stich: "A Heavy Problem!", JZ753, 1 page. Story by Michael Stewart. Art by Giovanni Rigano. Characters include Lilo and Stich. 5) Kim Possible: "Rufus' Bad Day!", JZ754, 3 pages. Story by Steve Behling. Art by Fabricio Grellet and Magic Eye Studios. Characters include Kim, Ron and Rufus. Dr. Drakken's image appears on a video screen, but it later is revealed that the image was faked and Dr. Drakken doesn't actually appear in the story. 6) The Last Laugh: "Signs Your Camp Counselor Is Really Bigfoot!", JZ455, 1 page. Written by John Green. Art by Kevin Rechin. Shad Z. ^Q^ (ShadZ at rocketmail.com,ShadZ at email.com,Jackalope7 at go.com) http://shadz.homestead.com/files/ HONK TO SEE PUPPIES Sign along US 287, Loveland CO -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup CareerBuilder.com has over 400,000 jobs. Be smarter about your job search http://corp.mail.com/careers From stratocruiser at cox.net Mon Jul 21 22:22:53 2003 From: stratocruiser at cox.net (Carey Furlong) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 13:22:53 -0700 Subject: Mastering the Matterhorn and Disnyeland In-Reply-To: <200307211058.h6LAw9v18154@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: > > OLIVIER, 11-06-2001 > > About "Mastering the Matterhorn", OS 1025: > > > "Matterhorn" is indeed a feature of the original [Disneyland] park > > in Anaheim, but this Matterhorn is the real mountain: the story does > > not take place in the park; the latter only inspired Barks this > > exotic locale. > > Danikl wrote: > > In panel 1.5, Donald says that somebody else must be using the toboggan. > Could the toboggan (or "Toboggan"?) be a reference to Disneyland? > Is (or was) it an attraction, for example? Yes, this is a reference to the Bobsled ride in Disneyland, which opened on June 14th, 1959, the same year the story was published. When Barks wrote "Mastering the Matterhorn" the ride was not yet open, and details about it were obviously sketchy at best. So, Barks apparently improvised and assumed the ride was about toboggans (in this case one toboggan -- how could he know different?). As it turned out, the Bobsleds ride more closely resembled a customized roller coaster. Carey Furlong Dana Point, California From bangfish at comcast.net Tue Jul 22 03:43:27 2003 From: bangfish at comcast.net (Gary Leach) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 21:43:27 -0400 Subject: Sales figures In-Reply-To: <200307211057.h6LAvHv18071@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: Derek Smith wrote: > I thought you might be interested in the sales stats for WDC 634 and > US 319 > for June[...] > > 193. Uncle Scrooge 319 (8,215) > 217. Walt Disney's Comics And Stories 634 (4,718) > http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=105988 > > All in all, not too bad considering the price they were being sold for. The figure for Uncle Scrooge 319 is roughly on target concerning initial orders. However, the one cited by Newsarama for Walt Disney's Comics and Stories 634 falls considerably short of the actual figure - in fact, WDC&S has done about as well as US in initial orders. And reorders. That said, I agree with Derek: not too bad. We managed to get advanced copies of Donald Duck Adventures #1 (our first "pocket book") just in time to display them at this year's San Diego Comic-Con. The response was very positive - most folks seemed to be of the opinion that it was about time for something like this. They're shipping this Friday, the 25th, so we'll soon see. Gary From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com Tue Jul 22 07:40:08 2003 From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 01:40:08 EDT Subject: Anticipating DDA/Comment On Paper Used In Comics Message-ID: <193.1d7b5c7d.2c4e2838@aol.com> Well, it's nice to know that WDC isn't nearly as far behind US as those order figures indicated. My local shop only gets new comics in on Thursdays, so I'll guess I'll have to wait until late next week for DDA. Having just today stopped by the shop and getting a bunch of back issues of Disney comics, plus the WDC 634(more on that later), I've noticed something about the paper that's been used in Disney comics over the years. When you compare a Gladstone Series 1 comic to a Disney Comic(1990-93) or a Gladstone Series 2 comic, the paper in the Series 1 comic is always very yellowed. Even when comparing the earliest Disney Comics to Series 1, the DC comic is always about as good looking as when it was made, whereas Series 1 comics have turned from white to yellow(similiar to what happens to paper used for newspapers, but not quite as bad). Is this because DC/Gladstone had switched to a higher grade of paper? That would be my guess comparing Series 1 to DC, but it would be nice to know if that actually was the case. Just first impressions of WDC 634: It seems about as good as US 319, which is good indeed. Especially the Van Horn story and Gilbert/Vicar's Gladstone story. Derek Smith -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030722/1be2a29d/attachment.html From olaf at andebyonline.com Tue Jul 22 15:26:48 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 15:26:48 +0200 Subject: Pintail Duck Message-ID: <001201c35054$e74ddae0$0900000a@olaftheblue> I was just thinking... Is Pintail Duck, from "Back to Long Ago!" (W US 16-02), in any way related to the Duck-family we know? According to Don Rosa's Duck family tree, he is - but the story he comes from, "Back to Long Ago!", does not state that at all. It's just saying that Donald is a reincarnation of Pintail. And... well, this is my interpretion only, but when seeing Pintail I got a feeling that this man never had children... Matey McDuck being an ancestor of Scrooge could be reasonable, as McDuck is a not that regular name - but, as the weeklies keep telling us, "'Duck' is as regular in Duckburg as 'Hansen' is in Norway". Both Daisy and Moby are great examples for that. I'm a little confused that he even IS in the Duck family tree, as we know nothing about what lies inbetween him and Humperdink. Very many misinterpet this family tree and believes that Humperdink is Pintail's son (which is quite impossible, concidering that Pintail died in 1564). Yes, he looks a lot like Donald. But so does Daisy. And his last name is Duck. But that's a very regular name... Well, but I guess that's up to Don Rosa. Still, I want others to tell me what you think. Pintail - is he an ancestor of Donald, or just a nobody from the 16th century with Donald's soul in him? Best, Olaf the Blue First published in a Disney Comic exactly five years (on the day) after Norway beat Brazil in the world championship in soccer. From reimersholme at hotmail.com Tue Jul 22 15:41:10 2003 From: reimersholme at hotmail.com (Stefan Persson) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 15:41:10 +0200 Subject: A good tool (WARNING) Message-ID: >From: sgarciab at soluziona.com >To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se >Subject: Re: A good tool (WARNING) >Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 14:33:04 +0200 >I sincerely warn all of you not to open ANY executable attachment from an >email message (as most of you already know), though the origin seems to be >known and reliable. Er, yes, I didn't notice the big size of the mail... Luckily, I'm using Linux, so the virus should not infect my computer. Stefan _________________________________________________________________ L?ttare att hitta dr?mresan med MSN Resor http://www.msn.se/resor/ From xephyr at cwnet.com Tue Jul 22 17:57:45 2003 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 08:57:45 -0700 Subject: Gemstone's mix? Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030722/b69a064a/attachment.pl From Goofy313g at aol.com Tue Jul 22 19:40:03 2003 From: Goofy313g at aol.com (Goofy313g@aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:40:03 -0400 Subject: Pintail Duck Message-ID: <7314AD29.206A6D96.024C1E6E@aol.com> >>>Pintail - is he an ancestor >>>of Donald, or just a nobody from the 16th century with Donald's soul in him? Only an ancestor of Donald could bear Donald's soul :-) The story doesn't state this, you're free to think what you want (like for the arab incarnations of Donald, Scrooge, and the nephews in "King Scrooge the First", the story drawn by strobl and written by Barks) >>>And... well, this is my interpretion only, but when seeing Pintail I got a >>>feeling that this man never had children... Ancestor doesn't mean direct ancestor, it could be Humperdink's great-great-great-...-great-uncle >>>as the weeklies keep telling us, "'Duck' is >>>as regular in Duckburg as 'Hansen' is in Norway". Both Daisy and Moby are >>>great examples for that. This is Don Rosa's point of view, but some people will tell you that Daisy and Moby are related to the Ducks we know, but we've talked about this more than enough here :-) (btw, it's stated in some books and some family trees that Daisy, April, May, June and Drusilla are of Donald's family, and Moby is told to be Donald's cousin in the tvshow pacifically peeking) >>>I'm a little confused that he even IS in the Duck family tree, as we know >>>nothing about what lies inbetween him and Humperdink. That's just the way Don drew it, except for Cornelius, whom he didn't link to Clinton for aesthetic reasons... Seafoam isn't told to be Dingus' father, neither it's told he is his direct ancestor, and Pintail was the only possible ancestor of the Ducks in all of Barks' story (well, I'm just thinking : what about general Stinewall Duck? :-)) Well, i guess it's a matter of interpretation of YOUR Duck universe... But it's still funny to compare these universes... but we've already talked too much about universes too, here Gilles Maurice http://goofy313g.free.fr/calisota_online/ From dghez at hotmail.com Tue Jul 22 22:18:28 2003 From: dghez at hotmail.com (Didier Ghez) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 21:18:28 +0100 Subject: Mickey by Saturnino Calleja (Spain) Message-ID: Hi, I was wondering if there would be a Spanish collector on the list that could give me in-depth information about the Disney titles published by publisher Saturnino Calleja in the '30s or that would know someone that would have that info. Thanks a million in advance. Didier -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030722/41d6a60d/attachment.html From dve at kabelfoon.nl Wed Jul 23 16:21:49 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 16:21:49 +0200 Subject: Secret message in Stranger Than Fiction? Message-ID: <20030723140626.642D8BE80B@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> In panel 1.1 of Barks's "Stranger Than Fiction" (WDC 249), Donald reads a comic book titled "RIP ROARING COMICS". Could "RIP" be a pun on the abbreviation "R.I.P."? "R.I.P." means "rest in peace". So, if "RIP" is a pun, the issue title would mean "Rest in peace roaring comics". At the time, Barks had to work with cheaper paper and some of his stories - like this very story - were cut down to make room for advertisements. I remember early 1960s correspondence in which Barks was worried about the future of comics. So, maybe this "RIP" title was an expression of his concern as well? Ripping (as verb) means "tearing something apart". If this is a reference to the cutting (ripping) of comic book material, then "RIP" could even be a double pun. My English is not good enough to be sure if these thoughts make sense. I'm curious for comments. --- Dani?l From SRoweCanoe at aol.com Wed Jul 23 16:14:40 2003 From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe@aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:14:40 -0400 Subject: Secret message in Stranger Than Fiction? Message-ID: <292D0E76.19BC9628.0C38BCAA@aol.com> In a message dated 7/23/2003 9:21:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, dve at kabelfoon.nl writes: > In panel 1.1 of Barks's "Stranger Than Fiction" (WDC 249), > Donald > reads a comic book titled "RIP ROARING COMICS". > > Could "RIP" be a pun on the abbreviation "R.I.P."? No it isnt. "rip roaring" is (or was) slang for something exciting or thrilling or adventuresome. Steven Rowe SRoweCanoe at aol.com From longtom at oeste.com.ar Wed Jul 23 19:53:07 2003 From: longtom at oeste.com.ar (Fabio Blanco) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 14:53:07 -0300 Subject: Gemstone's mix? References: Message-ID: <001401c35143$57172860$6326fea9@fabio> I will not pay 8 fucking dollars for Lil' Bad Wolf stories or Baby disney... I want Don Rosa and Carl Barks comics. Is too expensive stuff for that nonsense. If is I'll have for my money, I'll cut my subscription... Fabio From lgiver at postoffice.pacbell.net Wed Jul 23 19:41:11 2003 From: lgiver at postoffice.pacbell.net (lgiver@postoffice.pacbell.net) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:41:11 -0700 Subject: Hatching from eggs?? Message-ID: <3F1EC8B7.4080703@postoffice.pacbell.net> Here's an interesting quote from a Barks story relating to extensive prior discussion about whether or not Disney ducks hatch from eggs like real birds. Who knows which story this quote is from? "I was fighting snow battles while you infants were still in the egg! Ta ta, boys!" -----Larry Giver From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Wed Jul 23 20:14:42 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 20:14:42 +0200 Subject: Hatching from eggs?? / Matterhorn References: <3F1EC8B7.4080703@postoffice.pacbell.net> Message-ID: <000c01c35146$4a6fb020$9c1efbc1@computer> Hi everyone! Dani?l: Well, the question has already been answered. Seems like I made a mistake back then, and assumed the story took place on the real mountain. Well, at least, apart from this reference, there isn't anything actually setting the action in the park; it can be any mountain. Answer to Larry's quiz: >>> Here's an interesting quote from a Barks story relating to >>> extensive prior discussion about whether or not Disney >>> ducks hatch from eggs like real birds. Who knows which >>> story this quote is from? >>> "I was fighting snow battles while you infants were still >>> in the egg! Ta ta, boys!" "The Duck in the Iron Pants", p 2 panel 6. All the best, Olivier From raptus at stofanet.dk Wed Jul 23 20:24:39 2003 From: raptus at stofanet.dk (=?windows-1252?q?S=F8ren=20Krarup=20Olesen?=) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 20:24:39 +0200 Subject: Gemstone's mix? In-Reply-To: <001401c35143$57172860$6326fea9@fabio> References: <001401c35143$57172860$6326fea9@fabio> Message-ID: <200307232024.39350.raptus@stofanet.dk> FABIO: > I will not pay 8 fucking dollars for Lil' Bad Wolf stories or Baby > disney... I want Don Rosa and Carl Barks comics. Is too expensive > stuff for that nonsense. If is I'll have for my money, I'll cut my > subscription... Was that a threat or something, Fabio? :-) You are of course allowed to put forward any opinion of yours, but I must admit--reading your mail--that my first reaction was "I pity you! What an ignorance!" I am once again sorry to hear, that people here are so dwelled on Rosa and Barks (note the order) stories only, inable to realize that the Disney comics universe is much wider than what those two otherwise brilliant story tellers represent. If you cannot see the beauty of Mickey, Goofy, Scamp, Li'l Wolf and many more, why are you on a Disney comics mailing list anyway? Sure, we all have preferences, me too. And in my case, I'd only be interested if the artists you mentioned above were *not* in the Gemstone issues. Not that I don't like their stories or anything, but I've seen it all before...a zillion times... Long live Li'l Wolf and Zeke! S?ren From longtom at oeste.com.ar Wed Jul 23 20:22:59 2003 From: longtom at oeste.com.ar (Fabio Blanco) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 15:22:59 -0300 Subject: Hatching from eggs?? References: <3F1EC8B7.4080703@postoffice.pacbell.net> Message-ID: <005b01c35147$8a24c7e0$6326fea9@fabio> Is a comic!!! Ducks don't talk!!! > Here's an interesting quote from a Barks story relating to > extensive prior discussion about whether or not Disney > ducks hatch from eggs like real birds. Who knows which > story this quote is from? > "I was fighting snow battles while you infants were still > in the egg! Ta ta, boys!" > -----Larry Giver From SRoweCanoe at aol.com Wed Jul 23 20:39:11 2003 From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe@aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 14:39:11 -0400 Subject: Gemstone's mix? Message-ID: <699DCE3F.60CF47F4.0C38BCAA@aol.com> In a message dated 7/23/2003 1:24:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, raptus at stofanet.dk writes: > I'd only be interested if the artists you mentioned above > were *not* in the Gemstone issues. Not that I don't like > their stories or anything, > but I've seen it all before...a zillion times... I'm inclined to agree on Barks - why do i need another reprinting? Although i can put up with it, because i know that a) some folks will only buy US and WDC&S if there is Barks, and b) new readers need to see them but I am currently past the point of buying a comic because it has another Barks reprint. So Gemstone better show me what else they got! (and rosa in english is a good start) :-) Steven Rowe SRoweCanoe at aol.com From longtom at oeste.com.ar Wed Jul 23 20:44:01 2003 From: longtom at oeste.com.ar (Fabio Blanco) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 15:44:01 -0300 Subject: Gemstone's mix? References: <001401c35143$57172860$6326fea9@fabio> <200307232024.39350.raptus@stofanet.dk> Message-ID: <008a01c3514a$781cf7e0$6326fea9@fabio> S?ren Any time I ask about the gemstone contents nobody tell me nothing. I live in Argentina, thirld world, you know?. I love comics, I work for have money for can buy'em. I like the ducks comics, I like Barks and Rosa, Rosa and Barks and I really can't see the beauty of Lil' Bad Wolf and his drunk father or that desemployed mouse Mickey. The books price is around seven dollars, I pay 8 to my comic shop. Multiply that for 3 for the cost in pesos and I tell what you have.... Is too much money. I only want know what Gemstone magazine have the stuff I want. I imagine you cant put a Carl Barks story in the same magazine with a Moby Duck or Winnie Puh story drawn for... who know... Now, sorry if you feel like a threat. But is funny that anytime somebody suggest something the others don't like, the question is "why are you in this group?" I am going now. I have the flu, maybe is fever... FABIO bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar From xephyr at cwnet.com Wed Jul 23 20:33:07 2003 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:33:07 -0700 Subject: Gemstone's mix? Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030723/8a3d8fc1/attachment.pl From bangfish at comcast.net Thu Jul 24 01:14:24 2003 From: bangfish at comcast.net (Gary Leach) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 19:14:24 -0400 Subject: Gemstone mix In-Reply-To: <200307231814.h6NIEVv15499@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <667C8224-BD63-11D7-BD59-000393C28E48@comcast.net> Well, folks, Gemstone is clearly in danger of losing copulating cash if we dare print stories that aren't by Don Rosa or Carl Barks. Now, while I would hate to lose a reader for any reason, I'm afraid we are going to be printing stories by other than Don Rosa and Carl Barks. We think that it is a good idea, and quite a whole lot of our readers think so, too, and we do quite like to please quite a lot of our readers. We're funny that way. Too bad, it would've been diverting to have such virile money charging around the office. (Baby disney? Wot's dat? Some kind of canasta?) By the way, it's been asked what I mean by a comic "shipping" on such-and-such a date. What I mean is the date the comic leaves the shipping dock of the printer and heads out to the various regional distribution points that serve the retailers. This is important to me and those who work with me, as it is the date on which the comic officially leaves the production workflow and becomes actual product. Gary From acsive at mail.mira.dk Thu Jul 24 02:20:43 2003 From: acsive at mail.mira.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Anders_Christian_Siveb=E6k?=) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 02:20:43 +0200 Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 5, Issue 29 References: <200307231818.h6NIINv15701@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <002e01c35179$6f6e5420$630146d4@hovedcentral> Hi all Fabio > I will not pay 8 fucking dollars for Lil' Bad Wolf stories or Baby disney... Now do mind your langauge, my friend :-) Who says you'll only get those charetcers - in the oppinion I've evolved in the past years varriation menas a lot. I don't mind seeing the wolves and pigs, or brer rabbit, or any charecter i haven't seen for long, as long as these are combined with good stories with the charecters we know the most, and love. Baby disney, it's a long time since I saw them last - I guess it was mostly short gag stories and silly posters I've seen, but if some artists (and I just have a slight feeling my favorite artist wont do it) could make them an interesting group of charecters, actually giving a reason that these figures knew eachother back then, then it would be fun. But then rather the Donny duck stories - they aren't all that bad, to say it in my dialect (ironic) some have been quite funny - the indicator of goodness on many duck comics. > I want Don Rosa and Carl Barks comics. Is too expensive stuff for that > nonsense. If is I'll have for my money, I'll cut my subscription... You can't only have Barks and Rosa - if they print all the Rosas in on-each-other-following issues, they they would have to start reprinting to fast, and barks will only be reprinting. Let's *also* see some of the new good artists, and the older classics - in a good mix. That's what I want, that's what I will pay for. With the wishes you have, in all due respect you should have subsribed to the Picsou in certain periods of it's recent past, where french friends of mine has called it Barks, Rosa and Co.(rephrasing) Yours ac From acsive at mail.mira.dk Thu Jul 24 02:20:57 2003 From: acsive at mail.mira.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Anders_Christian_Siveb=E6k?=) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 02:20:57 +0200 Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 5, Issue 29 - Fabio References: <200307231818.h6NIINv15701@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <003201c35179$77aec160$630146d4@hovedcentral> Hi all Fabio > I will not pay 8 fucking dollars for Lil' Bad Wolf stories or Baby disney... Now do mind your langauge, my friend :-) Who says you'll only get those charetcers - in the oppinion I've evolved in the past years varriation menas a lot. I don't mind seeing the wolves and pigs, or brer rabbit, or any charecter i haven't seen for long, as long as these are combined with good stories with the charecters we know the most, and love. Baby disney, it's a long time since I saw them last - I guess it was mostly short gag stories and silly posters I've seen, but if some artists (and I just have a slight feeling my favorite artist wont do it) could make them an interesting group of charecters, actually giving a reason that these figures knew eachother back then, then it would be fun. But then rather the Donny duck stories - they aren't all that bad, to say it in my dialect (ironic) some have been quite funny - the indicator of goodness on many duck comics. > I want Don Rosa and Carl Barks comics. Is too expensive stuff for that > nonsense. If is I'll have for my money, I'll cut my subscription... You can't only have Barks and Rosa - if they print all the Rosas in on-each-other-following issues, they they would have to start reprinting to fast, and barks will only be reprinting. Let's *also* see some of the new good artists, and the older classics - in a good mix. That's what I want, that's what I will pay for. With the wishes you have, in all due respect you should have subsribed to the Picsou in certain periods of it's recent past, where french friends of mine has called it Barks, Rosa and Co.(rephrasing) Yours ac From thebeesong at yahoo.co.uk Thu Jul 24 11:10:58 2003 From: thebeesong at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Vic=20Pratt?=) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 10:10:58 +0100 (BST) Subject: No chipmunks please In-Reply-To: <200307231814.h6NIEuv15536@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <20030724091058.55504.qmail@web9605.mail.yahoo.com> Greetings comic chums My fears about the availability of the new comics in the UK were unfounded...picked up the new titles easily in the end...nice production, enjoyed Don Rosa's new story, especially when I'd read his new introduction...enjoyed the Barks...and the Van Horn stuff...and the Gilbert Gladstone Gander story...nice printing,too...though personally it doesn't bother me if the pages go yellow, if the comics are cheaper... On the negative side...the mouse is getting short shrift, isn't he? Where's the Gottfredson, the Scarpa...? Also noticed that there's already signs of "padding"...some very humdrum filler stuff...and I agree with Fabio's comments to some extent, though,perhaps, I wouldn't have worded them quite as he did... I don't want "Baby Disney" or any lame L'il Bad Wolf bilge, or any dumb stuff about Mad Madam Mim, or Tramp Jnr., or any cutesy rubbish about the crocodile out of Peter Pan etc. And keep those rotten chipmunks well out of it, I say. Those kind of things enfeebled the Gladstone WDCS and digests, where you forked out the cash 'cos you wanted one story, then had to put up with various unreadable old rubbish. I remember buying an Uncle Scrooge digest with "The Second Richest Duck", one of Barks' finest moments I reckon, but much of the rest of the issue was dull as ditchwater. And I had to read it with a magnifying glass. But that was a long, long time ago. I'll get down off my soapbox now....glad we got all those contentious issues sorted out...cheerio VIC ===== A FINE ELECTRONIC PORTMANTEAU OF COMICS AND CURIOSITIES AT: http://come.to/thefleacircus ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ From gianfranco.goria at fumetti.org Thu Jul 24 11:19:47 2003 From: gianfranco.goria at fumetti.org (Gianfranco Goria) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 11:19:47 +0200 Subject: Italian lawsuit against Disney in Italy for original art References: <200307231818.h6NIIEv15687@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <079f01c351c4$bab28f50$0100a8c0@Gianfranco> News from afNews daily service www.fumetti.org/afnews: The Italian Union of comic artists SILF, on behalf of a group of creators, is ready to start a first lawsuit against the Walt Disney Company Italy to obtain the return of the orginal art of more than 45.000 pages, in a first tranche. The total amount of the originals is indeed much bigger and the value on the collect market is enormous (each page is about 150 ? in Italy). It's just the first action the SILF union will activate to defend the rights of its members working for Disney Italy, concerning much more than the original art. Info: www.fumetti.org/silf. http://www.fumetti.org/cgi-bin/afnews/viewnews.pl?newsid1059038568,46309,.htm http://www.fumetti.org/cgi-bin/afnews/viewnews.pl?newsid1056537187,18581,.htm From kyrimis at cti.gr Thu Jul 24 12:49:21 2003 From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 13:49:21 +0300 Subject: No chipmunks please In-Reply-To: <20030724091058.55504.qmail@web9605.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030724091058.55504.qmail@web9605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F1FB9B1.8000306@cti.gr> VIC: For what it's worth, I'll have to disagree with the sentiment. I rarely buy comic books just to read a particular story, while I regularly buy comic books to read a particular *kind* of story, namely the Disney comics that all (most?) of us in this list like to read. While I do have a preference to Duck and, to a lesser extent, Mouse stories, I don't think I would like an exclusive diet of such stories, as the role of the other stories is not limited to serving as page fillers or to satisfying younger readers. Consider, e.g., the old WDC&S: you'd start with a bang with a Barks story, then you would catch your breath by reading a Lil' Bad Wolf, Chip & Dale or other lighter story, while still remaining in a Disney atmosphere, then plunge into adventure with a Murry story. Putting the two main stories together, without a lighter story or two in between, would have somehow made them less enjoyable. Something similar happens with the Greek "Mickey Mouse" magazine: you get two lead stories, one of which is usually by one of the Italian masters, folowed by a bunch of lighter stories. I usually read the magazine backwards, last story first, getting into the Disney mood with the lighter story, then sinking my teeth into the lead stories. "Mickey Mouse" magazine might have beeen cheaper if it had had half the page count, publishing only the lead stories, but it would have somehow not been as good. As long as the main stories are good, I *want* those lighter stories to be there! Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr) (WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis) ----- "I am not interested in the beliefs of primitives--only in what they *taste* like!" ----- From olaf at andebyonline.com Thu Jul 24 14:37:30 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:37:30 +0200 Subject: Gemstone's mix Message-ID: <000b01c351e0$59578d20$0900000a@olaftheblue> Well, it's about time someone said it. What on earth is the point of publishing Disney Comics NOT consisting only of Rosa and Barks stories? Those darn publishers should have understood by now that what we, the readers, want, is Don Rosa and Carl Barks. Yes, perhaps a few people still want childish comics like Disney Babies and Mickey Mouse, but who cares about them? We're the majority. Ask anyone, and they can tell you that Don Rosa is a god amongst comics creators. And as all his stuff is based on Carl Barks, Barks can't be that bad either. Anyhow, one should always listen to the majority when making comics. Don Rosa himself wrote a very good example on this on DCML once: http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2000-February/012198.html KEEP MY DISNEY COMIC CLEAR OF CHILDISH WOLVES. If Gemstone absolutely wants to print these silly childish characters, they should do it in an own wolf comic book. I'm 100% sure there's market for that in the USA. And when it comes to Duck comics: If it's not by Carl Barks or Don Rosa, don't print it. It's not worth reading anyway, and it's only those boring pages we have to browse to finally come to the Don Rosa comic (and we have to buy ALL issues just in case they HIDE Don Rosa comics inbetween them - would you believe that the Scandinavian weeklies, when printing a two-pager Don Rosa did the artwork to, DON'T announce that on the cover?). Nah, if it's not Don Rosa (or that guy Barks), we don't want it. So why do they make those comics at all? Gemstone and Disney always complain they have so little money. Well, can't they just fire all those unknown amateurs such as William van Horn, Lars Jensen, all those crazy Italians... We don't want them anyway, so just fire them and use the entire magazine for Don Rosa and Carl Barks! That way Disney could save a lot of money, and even get more readers as many probably today want to buy the comic, but don't do it because there's so many childish wolf stories in them. And if Disney saves money and gets more readers, it should be possible to get the books for a decent price, too! Hopefully, Don Rosa will live for another 30-40 years. By then he should be able to produce quite a lot of stories, so when he leaves this world there will be plenty of stories to reprint. In other words, Disney comics in USA could live on for centuries, and they would all be GOOD stories, Don Rosa and Carl Barks. And, Gemstone and all other publishers: If some engineer from Kentucky or something EVER should come to you and say "I'm destined to make Disney Comics" - don't listen to him. Don't even give him a chance. He can't be as good as Don Rosa anyway. ALL IN FAVOUR THAT DISNEY COMICS SHOULD BE ROSA (eventually a little Barks) ONLY! We, the target group of Gemstone's comics (including Fabio and myself), want Don Rosa and Carl Barks. And nothing but that. ______________________ Olaf the Blue :-) "It's like rain on your wedding day It's a free ride when you've already paid It's good advice that you just didn't take And who would have thought it figures" From rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com Thu Jul 24 14:37:10 2003 From: rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com (rodney-selfhelpbikeco@juno.com) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 12:37:10 GMT Subject: quality of paper Message-ID: <20030724.083722.6796.313238@webmail14.nyc.untd.com> I read some series 1 Gladstone books the other night, and I was surprised to find that the paper in them was very white, and these were early issues (WDCS 511 etc.). The Disney books seem to have dulled a bit in the 10 or so years since I bought them new. rodney ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com Thu Jul 24 14:45:19 2003 From: rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com (rodney-selfhelpbikeco@juno.com) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 12:45:19 GMT Subject: Gemstone mix Message-ID: <20030724.084537.6796.313274@webmail14.nyc.untd.com> I assume that when some people make a request for stories featuring secondary characters, they want those stories in WDCS, and I think that's a good idea. After all, that's what the title has *always* been. If you only want to read duck stories, I suggest you read the Uncle Scrooge and Donald Duck titles. But even keeping those titles on an endless loop of reprints of Barks stories with Rosa stories tossed in for good measure is absurd. There are plenty of other artists that deserve to be printed and reprinted. *MY* question is....what's a WDCS issue without a Paul Murray serial chapter? This is something that I really want to see, as I missed out on most of them in the past, and have had a very hard time filling the gaps in my collection with that lone missing chapter that I always seem not to have. I think each issue of WDCS should have 2 Mickey stories...one new one from Egmont, and a chapter of a Murray serial. rodney. ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From info at klartekst.no Thu Jul 24 15:31:08 2003 From: info at klartekst.no (Klartekst) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:31:08 +0200 Subject: Gemstone's mix Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030724152058.00ac0130@127.0.0.1> KRITON wrote: >Consider, e.g., the old WDC&S: you'd start with a bang with a Barks story, >then you would catch your breath by reading a Lil' Bad Wolf, Chip & Dale >or other lighter story, while still remaining in a Disney atmosphere, then >plunge into adventure with a Murry story. And then OLAF wrote (sarchastically): >Can't they just fire all those unknown amateurs such as William van Horn, >Lars Jensen, all those crazy Italians... and use the entire magazine for >Don Rosa and Carl Barks! ... And, Gemstone and all other publishers: If >some engineer from Kentucky or >something EVER should come to you and say "I'm destined to make Disney >Comics" - don't listen to him. Don't even give him a chance. He can't be >as good as Don Rosa anyway. Thank you, both of you. I was going to write on the subject, but you said it better. Three cheers for variety! Nils from Norway From lpj at forfatter.dk Thu Jul 24 16:12:43 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:12:43 +0200 Subject: Gemstone's mix? Message-ID: <005701c351ee$716de680$81469dd9@idb3156> Rich Bellacera wrote: > will we see OTHER Disney stories such as the Moby Duck "Bay > Chronicles," the Clarabelle Reporter stories, April, May & June > stories, and some of the even more obscure or never reprinted (in the > USA) Panchito, Ellsworth and Joe Carioca newspaper strips? Maybe even > some of the French "Li'l Bad Wolf" with Meana & Marie Loupe, "Young" > Donny Duck, Morty & Ferdie or Disney Babies stories? > > Will the HDL stories simply be reprints or old US Woodchuck stories or > can we expect some of those which ran in the Italian "Giovani > Marmotte" series? You know, Rich, when you write something like this it comes across as a) you want to see these stories/subseries in the Gemstone books and b) the stories and subseries are all good. Well, they're not all good. Some of this material (I won't say which) is horribly bad. Ill-conceived from the beginning, and printing it in the US will be a *big* mistake in my opinion. Have you actually read all these subseries (and like what you've seen), or are you mentioning them, merely because you have heard of them? Lars From longtom at oeste.com.ar Thu Jul 24 21:04:38 2003 From: longtom at oeste.com.ar (Fabio Blanco) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:04:38 -0300 Subject: Gemstone's mix References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030724152058.00ac0130@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <004101c35216$85104520$6326fea9@fabio> Hi, I keep with that cold or flu or whatever his name in English, so first my apologies for my language. I promise don't say "fucking" again... Anyway, I remember that Gemstone first series in 1993 (?) with the Don Rosa debut... ?Wasn't the digest format destined to certain stuff and the comic book for other, like Rosa and Barks and Van Horn? Maybe if I see that the comics I want read is in Uncle Scrooge I'll buy Uncle Scrooge. I read a lot of Disney comics from 5 years to now. And I can remember very few stories that give so pleasures like the Carl Barks ones, and the Don Rosa's now. I never have too fun reading Lil' Bad Wolf or Scampy. Maybe I must reconsider my things about Mickey: are nice stories with the mouse, I like Gotfredson stuff... I think that if you publish an expensive comic book with more pages, for a public with a good taste in comics you must put the best. And IMF*HO the best's not Lil' Bad Wolf. FABIO bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com Fri Jul 25 03:20:40 2003 From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 21:20:40 EDT Subject: Yellow Paper/Lil' Wolves/WDC 634 Message-ID: <142.161095b9.2c51dfe8@aol.com> Rodney wrote: I read some series 1 Gladstone books the other night, and I was surprised to find that the paper in them was very white, and these were early issues (WDCS 511 etc.). The Disney books seem to have dulled a bit in the 10 or so years since I bought them new. ------------------------------ My experience has seemed to be the opposite. I guess it's just the indivdiual comics and not any real change in paper. As for Lil' Bad Wolf, what has the poor lil' guy done to deserve so much animosity? ;) The few stories I've read of him weren't that bad(a few were actually good). At any rate, I've yet to see anything of the pup in the Gemstone comics, so let's not complain about Lil' Bad Wolf until we actually see him. Now for WDC 634. A great first issue! :) Several good stories in it(though perhaps a little too slanted to the Duck side). Really, all the stories were good in their own way. William Van Horn comes through again with a great comedy. I've never read any of his son's work, so it was interesting to read Noel Van Horn's Mickey story. I must admit, it won't be an all-time favorite with me, but the twist near the end, made it different. And Gilbert's Gladstone tale... nice to see a different side to the lucky cousin. As for Carl Barks' story, Daan Jipes can draw so much like Bark's, it's truly hard to tell the difference. This is the kind of Barks tale I like best, one I haven't read before! (though the story itself had been published in the seventies, I hadn't read that). Can't wait for US 320/WDC 635! BTW I talked to my local comics shop owner and he said that basically only one or two adults had been buying the Disney comics(I'm one, I wonder who the other weirdo is. ;) But he had great hopes that the lower priced comics in September would allow kids to get into Disney comics. But based on those order figures I found, things weren't so bad for Gemstone's first month and everything is looking up, especially once September gets here. Derek Smith -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030725/8439ae42/attachment.html From Goofy313g at aol.com Fri Jul 25 11:29:24 2003 From: Goofy313g at aol.com (Goofy313g@aol.com) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 05:29:24 -0400 Subject: Johnny Grote's "Der Stammbaum der Ducks" : a very interresting genealogy of the Ducks Message-ID: <2776B220.54DA018A.024C1E6E@aol.com> Hi! I just received yesterday Johnny A Grote's book "Der Stammbaum der Ducks" (and also "Who is who in Entenhausen"), which includes a very Donaldistic poster with the genealogy of the Ducks only inspired by Barks' stories. you can find a scan and commentaries on it there : http://goofy313g.free.fr/calisota_online/trees/grote.html A jewel. Too bad the references which are considered are the German publications of the story (so the German names are kept and the German relations between the characters too, which changes everything...) I'd love to contact Johnny Grote and discuss on this tree... I think nobody has gone so far in an only-barks duck family tree... Gilles R. Maurice From Goofy313g at aol.com Fri Jul 25 11:40:06 2003 From: Goofy313g at aol.com (Goofy313g@aol.com) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 05:40:06 -0400 Subject: Johnny Grote's Duck family tree Message-ID: <2E83A0CD.01470F33.024C1E6E@aol.com> Hi! I thought this could interrest you, yesterday i received an interresting german book with a barks-based duck family tree. you can find the scans and also a descritpion here: http://goofy313g.free.fr/calisota_online/trees/grote.html I hope you'll enjoy it, and if you already have the book, I hope you'll re-discover it with pleasure best regards, Gilles From Goofy313g at aol.com Fri Jul 25 11:41:01 2003 From: Goofy313g at aol.com (Goofy313g@aol.com) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 05:41:01 -0400 Subject: sorry Message-ID: <20F66182.61982D7B.024C1E6E@aol.com> sorry, my last mail was in fact destinated to Don Rosa :-) Gilles From dogfish at edmc.net Thu Jul 24 21:02:14 2003 From: dogfish at edmc.net (dogfish@edmc.net) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 13:02:14 -0600 Subject: Gemstone mix References: <200307240924.h6O9Oev22306@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <000801c35216$1890b240$95cea1c6@dogfish> There are two time honored traditions that I feel Gemstone should continue to follow with Walt Disney's Comics and Stories. Each issue should begin with a Duck 10 pager, and each issue should end with a chapter of a Mouse serial. Who wrote those stories is not a major concern. The material in between should be a mix of other material that doesn't "fit" into any of the other titles. And one other point. The cover should contain the full title - not just "Walt Disney's Comics". That's my 2 cents worth. Brian (who's been reading and collecting WDCS since 1952) From dogfish at edmc.net Thu Jul 24 21:14:02 2003 From: dogfish at edmc.net (dogfish@edmc.net) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 13:14:02 -0600 Subject: Submission to DCML mailing list References: <200307240924.h6O9Oev22306@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <000d01c35217$beeb8f60$95cea1c6@dogfish> I received the following response to a recent submission to the DCML mailing list: Your mail to 'DCML' with the subject Re:Gemstone mix Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Post by non-member to a members-only list Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL: I have been a member of this list for many, many years, and have posted to it before. Why am I receiving a message telling me I'm a non-member? From xephyr at cwnet.com Thu Jul 24 20:39:24 2003 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 11:39:24 -0700 Subject: LARS: Gemstone's mix? Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030724/eddc9d59/attachment.pl From rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com Fri Jul 25 14:34:09 2003 From: rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com (rodney-selfhelpbikeco@juno.com) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 12:34:09 GMT Subject: paper quality Message-ID: <20030725.083439.15571.547989@webmail20.nyc.untd.com> Derek sez... >My experience has seemed to be the opposite. I guess it's just the >indivdiual >comics and not any real change in paper. And I sez... Please don't take this as an insult or an insinuation that you don't know how to take care of your comics or anything like that, but I've always changed my bags and backing boards every couple of years (as soon as the bag smells of old paper). I stopped collecting comics when Disney took them over (and looking through them today, I remember why)but I bought most of them from a work-mate a couple of years ago. He didn't ever change the bags and backing boards, and I think that's why the paper has aged to the extent that it has in such a short period of time. If I remember correctly, Don Rosa doesn't bag many of his comics at all, and they're in great shape! rodney. ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From lpj at forfatter.dk Fri Jul 25 14:21:37 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 14:21:37 +0200 Subject: Sv: Time machine References: Message-ID: <00c701c352b4$18870a80$b3469dd9@idb3156> A little late, but... Stefan Persson wrote: > > > I suspect it was a model. As far as I know, the time machine is > > > still under repair, after Oona crashed it in D 93505. > > > >I have two questions. Choose the correct one: > >So Oona appeared in "Donald Duck Time Travel" series? > >Or: > >So this time machine appeared also besides "DD Time machine" series? > > Oona first appeared in the weekly. Donald used the time machine from > the time machine series, but the story does not have anything else to > do with the time machine series. Stefan pretty much nailed it. The plotter of the first Oona story, Stefan Printz-Påhlson, was also involved with the time machine stories back when, and he thought it would be fun to give this particular time machine one last appearance. Thus, the use of it in "Princess Oona" (D 93505). Lars From jlerose at rtsz.com Fri Jul 25 18:37:56 2003 From: jlerose at rtsz.com (J LeRose) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 12:37:56 -0400 Subject: Gemstone's mix Re: DCML Digest, Vol 5, Issue 31 References: <200307250931.h6P9VZv22575@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <3F215CE3.1F96932@rtsz.com> Olaf, Just to join you, but without tongue in cheek, I think many critics are missing some great stories by limiting themselves to Barks & Rosa (both of which are obviously two of my favorites). For example "Somewhere in Nowhere" art by Patrick Block (early work at that) I'll grant the story was inspired by Barks but Lustig did a great job, and Barks did choose Block to do the art. I mention this art by Block especially, since he is scheduled to do more Gemstones including some "silly" characters. To me Block is closer to Barks in style than Rosa who while following the Duck story line is more original with his work. I have stories and art by over 50 different artists, and some are great, some are dumb, but by having them we all get more involved and they also give a good basis for comparison. Can you imagine if every duck was by Barks or Rosa, it would be like the movie Judge Dread where every restaurant was a Taco Bell. Nice response! Best Jeff dcml-request at stp.ling.uu.se wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: Gemstone's mix > Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:37:30 +0200 > From: "Olaf Solstrand" > To: > > Well, it's about time someone said it. What on earth is the point of > publishing Disney Comics NOT consisting only of Rosa and Barks stories? > Those darn publishers should have understood by now that what we, the > readers, want, is Don Rosa and Carl Barks. > > Yes, perhaps a few people still want childish comics like Disney Babies and > Mickey Mouse, but who cares about them? We're the majority. Ask anyone, and > they can tell you that Don Rosa is a god amongst comics creators. And as all > his stuff is based on Carl Barks, Barks can't be that bad either. Anyhow, > one should always listen to the majority when making comics. Don Rosa > himself wrote a very good example on this on DCML once: > http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2000-February/012198.html > > KEEP MY DISNEY COMIC CLEAR OF CHILDISH WOLVES. If Gemstone absolutely wants > to print these silly childish characters, they should do it in an own wolf > comic book. I'm 100% sure there's market for that in the USA. > > And when it comes to Duck comics: If it's not by Carl Barks or Don Rosa, > don't print it. It's not worth reading anyway, and it's only those boring > pages we have to browse to finally come to the Don Rosa comic (and we have > to buy ALL issues just in case they HIDE Don Rosa comics inbetween them - > would you believe that the Scandinavian weeklies, when printing a two-pager > Don Rosa did the artwork to, DON'T announce that on the cover?). Nah, if > it's not Don Rosa (or that guy Barks), we don't want it. So why do they make > those comics at all? Gemstone and Disney always complain they have so little > money. Well, can't they just fire all those unknown amateurs such as William > van Horn, Lars Jensen, all those crazy Italians... We don't want them > anyway, so just fire them and use the entire magazine for Don Rosa and Carl > Barks! That way Disney could save a lot of money, and even get more readers > as many probably today want to buy the comic, but don't do it because > there's so many childish wolf stories in them. And if Disney saves money and > gets more readers, it should be possible to get the books for a decent > price, too! > > Hopefully, Don Rosa will live for another 30-40 years. By then he should be > able to produce quite a lot of stories, so when he leaves this world there > will be plenty of stories to reprint. In other words, Disney comics in USA > could live on for centuries, and they would all be GOOD stories, Don Rosa > and Carl Barks. > > And, Gemstone and all other publishers: If some engineer from Kentucky or > something EVER should come to you and say "I'm destined to make Disney > Comics" - don't listen to him. Don't even give him a chance. He can't be as > good as Don Rosa anyway. ALL IN FAVOUR THAT DISNEY COMICS SHOULD BE ROSA > (eventually a little Barks) ONLY! > > We, the target group of Gemstone's comics (including Fabio and myself), want > Don Rosa and Carl Barks. And nothing but that. > > ______________________ > Olaf the Blue :-) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > dcml at stp.ling.uu.se - Disney Comics Mailing List > http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml From lis- at wp.pl Fri Jul 25 19:53:59 2003 From: lis- at wp.pl (mateusz lis) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 19:53:59 +0200 Subject: For Gilles and anyone else interested: Jimminy Cricket family tree plus two Scrooge's cousins Message-ID: Hi all, Oh boy, oh boy, I bought a scanner yesterday! Now I can show you what I found during last few months. In my English-Polish dictionary I found Jimminy Cricket family tree. The original title of this dictionary is "The giant word book". I put the scan of the cover here: http://disneymania.w.interia.pl/cover.jpg and here is the tree: http://disneymania.w.interia.pl/family_tree.jpg In the book "Donald and the Loch Ness Monster" Ian and Jacob McDucks appeared. Here is the cover: http://disneymania.w.interia.pl/cover_monster.JPG and the portrait of cousins: http://disneymania.w.interia.pl/cousins.jpg Best wishes, Mateusz Lis From longtom at oeste.com.ar Fri Jul 25 21:40:23 2003 From: longtom at oeste.com.ar (Fabio Blanco) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 16:40:23 -0300 Subject: LARS: Gemstone's mix? References: Message-ID: <001e01c352e4$b1b29dc0$6326fea9@fabio> > As well as collecting Disney comics most of my life, I've also been a big > collector of Marvel, DC and other comics. I have a large "super-hero" > comic collection, and have recently gone through a BIG change in my desire > to continue with most of those companies' offerings. Marvel, in particular, > has left a very sour taste in my mouth. I have dropped nearly EVERY title > and have a strong disdain for that company's management. Their new management > is, to me, likened to the RJ Reynolds of comics. They seem to feel that > the older/longtime collectors of Marvel comics are not worth their effort > and have decided to aim squarely at the younger, hipper new generation of > collectors. They have shaken up their titles and the longstanding character > continuity and decided to throw the bulk of it away, and have even told the > older fans that they believe they are not a reliable source of continued > revenue (being that we are old and dying). They feel they must attract and > sustain "younger" collectors. This has pissed me off and I have watched over > the past couple years as they have eroded away so much of what I used to > love about Marvel's characters. I have dropped all but two titles from > Marvel. And given their continued erosion, I may soon drop those as well. > I don't know. At least in Marvel one know what buy. You have the ultimate line for new readers that'll read again and again the tale of Spidey vs. The Green Goblin and the Marvel Knights seal with very good writers like B.M. Bendis, Garth Ennis... you have Brian Azzarello and Corben on the Banner miniseries, Grant Morrison on New X Men (the issue with Wolverine and Cyclops drinking in the Hell's Fire Club was amazing!!) and now Neil Gaiman in 1602. The matter I can't understand is that Jean Piaget sect who produce dumb, simple comics for kids... We was kids of the same age when we read Carl Barks stories!!! FABIO agent of the chaos :-) bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar From raptus at stofanet.dk Fri Jul 25 15:43:42 2003 From: raptus at stofanet.dk (=?iso-8859-1?q?S=F8ren=20Krarup=20Olesen?=) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 15:43:42 +0200 Subject: Who has made Disney comics the longest time? Message-ID: <200307251543.42645.raptus@stofanet.dk> Hi all, Just ran some general statistics on the Inducks files, and came to think of who in this world has made Disney comics the longest time. Chierchini's first story was published in 1956 and we still see comics from him in the Danish (Scandinavian) pocket books. This also goes for Gatto (first publ. in 1958). The two candidates for the "prize" are however Luciano Bottaro and Romano Scarpa. Bottaro: 1952-2001, Scarpa: 1953-2002 (both 49 years of comic making!) Did I forget some American, Dutch or French artists...or any others? S?ren From carlosdeg at mundofree.com Sat Jul 26 16:40:23 2003 From: carlosdeg at mundofree.com (Carlos De Gregorio) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 16:40:23 +0200 Subject: Mickey by Saturnino Calleja (Spain) Message-ID: <3F2292D6.7AFFF9F5@mundofree.com> Didier wrote: I was wondering if there would be a Spanish collector on the list that could give me in-depth information about the Disney titles published by publisher Saturnino Calleja in the '30s or that would know someone that would have that info. As far as I know, Satunino Calleja only published a Disney title, "Mickey", with 16 issues between 1935 and 1936 (after that year, Spain was at war). I have an issue, in very bad state. It has 16 pages aside from the cover, and it includes Gottfredson strips, printed in two colours (blue and red), with the text under the strip. The measures are 27,5 x 21 cm. I think this edition is very similar to another published in France by Hachette, isn?t it? The titles of the 16 issues are: 1- Aventuras de Mickey 2- Mickey en la casa encantda 3- Mickey buscador de oro 4- Mickey en el valle infernal 5- Mickey contra Ratino 6- Mickey vence a Ratino 7- Mickey boxeador 8- Mickey campe?n 9- Mickey hace proezas 10- Mickey y los gitanos 11- Mickey en peligro 12- Mickey detective 13- Mickey y el tesoro 14- Mickey y los salvajes 15- Mickey en el Far West 16- Mickey Matamoros y Corre-Corre Best wishes Carlos From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com Sat Jul 26 22:25:40 2003 From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 16:25:40 EDT Subject: Comics Storage/DDA Numbering/DD&Friends? Message-ID: <77.15eb8459.2c543dc4@aol.com> I sent this email yesterday and I didn't get a post acknowledgement or anything. So I'm sending it a second time, hopefully it won't turn out to be a double post. To Rodney: I only got into Disney comics during the Disney Comics(1990-93) era. My only first-hand expreience(comics I've bought myself when they appeared for the first time) is with Disney Comics and Gladstone Series II. The only Series I comics I've ever had were bought used in comic shops, in which a majority of them are yellowed in the way I described. So I guess I had the luck of being comics that weren't stored properly(though the covers and pages outside of yellowing are great). Personally, except for the few comics(Series 1, a few others) I've bought that were already? bagged/boarded, I've just put my Disney comics in small stacks in plastic grocery bags! They've all stayed nice and white/great condition overall. I guess the Don Rosa way of comics storage is the best way! But I've thought of buying bags/boards for the rest of my comics. So you suggest changing them every few years? What happens to the boards/bags that hurts the comics? ------------------------- Oh, a small comment about the upcoming DDA. Apparently it will be called #1? I feel sorry for a Disney comics newbie just getting into DDA collecting. You have DDA #1 from the Gladstone era. Then DDA #1 for the Disney Comics era. Then Series 2 begins with it's own numbering continuing from Series 1. Now, here's a third DDA #1. Has Disney comics decided to follow Marvel? ;) Also it seems that the formerly titled Gemstone comics 'Donald Duck and Friends' has now become Donald Duck? Yet it'll still have a supporting Mickey story? If that's so, the DD&Friends moniker would have seemed a better fit with 'Mickey Mouse and Friends', which is doing the opposite, except with Mickey at the forefront. Derek Smith -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030726/d7afeb65/attachment.html From timoro at hotmail.com Sat Jul 26 22:46:48 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 23:46:48 +0300 Subject: Disney Making Mickey Hip Again Message-ID: Disney is actually trying to promote and make old Mickey more famous as animation and comic book character: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48165-2003Jul25.html Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ................................. "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ Tilaa nyt Hotmail postit k?nnykk??si! http://www.msn.fi/mobiili/ From lpj at forfatter.dk Sun Jul 27 13:43:18 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 13:43:18 +0200 Subject: LARS: Gemstone's mix? References: Message-ID: <008501c35434$a24d18a0$99469dd9@idb3156> Rich Bellacera wrote: > I always envisioned a much bigger tapestry of adventure possibility > for Moby. I agree 100%. > I wouldn't want Gemstone to take the same approach Marvel is, but > maybe a happy balance of "young" or "contemporary" appeal with that of > "old" or "nostaligia" appeal. I agree again. The tough thing is, of course, to find that balance. Other than that, you write that you *have* read (most of) those subseries you mentioned in your earlier posting -- and you like them! Well, you got me! In that case, obviously you *would* want to see as much of it as possible in the Gemstone books. I still disagree regarding the quality of some of this material, but as you write: "Everything is subject to personal taste or preferences". And I'm envious of your collection. Lars From acsive at mail.mira.dk Sun Jul 27 15:48:04 2003 From: acsive at mail.mira.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Anders_Christian_Siveb=E6k?=) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 15:48:04 +0200 Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 5, Issue 29 - Fabio References: <200307231818.h6NIINv15701@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <001501c35445$bab31140$450146d4@hovedcentral> Hi all Fabio > I will not pay 8 fucking dollars for Lil' Bad Wolf stories or Baby disney... Now do mind your langauge, my friend :-) Who says you'll only get those charetcers - in the oppinion I've evolved in the past years varriation menas a lot. I don't mind seeing the wolves and pigs, or brer rabbit, or any charecter i haven't seen for long, as long as these are combined with good stories with the charecters we know the most, and love. Baby disney, it's a long time since I saw them last - I guess it was mostly short gag stories and silly posters I've seen, but if some artists (and I just have a slight feeling my favorite artist wont do it) could make them an interesting group of charecters, actually giving a reason that these figures knew eachother back then, then it would be fun. But then rather the Donny duck stories - they aren't all that bad, to say it in my dialect (ironic) some have been quite funny - the indicator of goodness on many duck comics. > I want Don Rosa and Carl Barks comics. Is too expensive stuff for that > nonsense. If is I'll have for my money, I'll cut my subscription... You can't only have Barks and Rosa - if they print all the Rosas in on-each-other-following issues, they they would have to start reprinting to fast, and barks will only be reprinting. Let's *also* see some of the new good artists, and the older classics - in a good mix. That's what I want, that's what I will pay for. With the wishes you have, in all due respect you should have subsribed to the Picsou in certain periods of it's recent past, where french friends of mine has called it Barks, Rosa and Co.(rephrasing) Yours ac From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sun Jul 27 18:35:21 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 18:35:21 +0200 Subject: Extensive review of Ault's "Carl Barks Conversations" (link) Message-ID: <20030727161945.7EF1419FE41@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Here's a link to an extensive review of Donald Ault's book "Carl Barks Conversations": http://www.eclectica.org/v7n3/mcgowin_barks.html "Carl Barks Conversations" is published by University Press of Mississippi (2003). It contains 238 pages. There's a hardback and a paperback edition. It's also for sale via internet. The review is written by Kevin McGowin. I haven't fully read it yet. I just wanted to let you know the link, so you don't have to wait for me to read it yourself. --- Dani?l From dve at kabelfoon.nl Mon Jul 28 14:51:39 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 14:51:39 +0200 Subject: Elusive Barks quotes (Santiago and Larry) Message-ID: <20030728123601.DE5271A0085@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> SANTIAGO, 16-07-2003: > ["Beat it, you clammy ragbag! What's the idea?"] > This is what Donald said in such a situation I would die of fear! LARRY GIVER, 18-07-2003: > A few days ago I found something surprising that I hadn't taken > notice of before. Who knows which story this Barks quote is from: > :You can't do this to us! We're junior members of the bear cub > rangers!" As far as I know, these two Barks quotes have not been discovered so far. Santiago and Larry, can you give an additional hint? I would like to recommend that people who suggest a quote, also take care of keeping that quote alive until it's guessed. By giving hints, for example. --- Dani?l From lpj at forfatter.dk Mon Jul 28 16:10:21 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 16:10:21 +0200 Subject: Gemstone's mix Message-ID: <002a01c35514$9556b3a0$ae469dd9@idb3156> Olaf wrote: > Well, can't they just fire all those unknown amateurs such as William > van Horn, Lars Jensen I have three responses to this: 1. Don't give them any tempting ideas. 2. I'm mentioned along with William Van Horn? Wow, I'm honored. 3. I think all Gemstone comics should consist of nothing but stories written or drawn by Olaf Solstrand. If they ever run out of new material, they can just reprint some of his old stuff. Only joking, obviously. Lars From rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com Mon Jul 28 17:32:55 2003 From: rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com (rodney-selfhelpbikeco@juno.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 15:32:55 GMT Subject: what's going on? Message-ID: <20030728.113348.8630.719598@webmail18.nyc.untd.com> I haven't recieved an issue of the DCML in several, several days. Now, after looking at the list of subscribers, I see that my address is no longer listed. Have I been removed? Can somebody give me some info about what's going on? rodney. ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From xephyr at cwnet.com Mon Jul 28 21:19:12 2003 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 12:19:12 -0700 Subject: Something wrong with the DCML server again? Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030728/2a364de2/attachment.pl From lists-read at thoddi.de Tue Jul 29 00:28:24 2003 From: lists-read at thoddi.de (Thorsten Bremer) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 00:28:24 +0200 Subject: Calendar for 2004 from german donaldists Message-ID: <371394142.20030729002824@thoddi.de> (This advertisement-posting is approved by Per Starback.) Hi! This might be of some interest for some of you: There are no reasonable Donald Duck-calendars available in Germany. Therefore German donaldists publish their own "Duck Art calendar 2004". 12 German comic-artists present their interpretations about money in the world of Duckburg. The calendar will be released in October 2003. Orders are welcome. Special conditions for traders and centralized buying are available, please ask me directly via email (gdd at donald.org). For more information visit our website at: English: http://www.donald.org/en/DD/DDSH/ddsh47-ankuendigung.html German: http://www.donald.org/de/DD/DDSH/ddsh47-ankuendigung.html Greetings, Thoddi From thebeesong at yahoo.co.uk Tue Jul 29 11:41:49 2003 From: thebeesong at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Vic=20Pratt?=) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 10:41:49 +0100 (BST) Subject: L'l Bad Wolf: a goody goody creep In-Reply-To: <200307250931.h6P9Vkv22589@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <20030729094149.79955.qmail@web9602.mail.yahoo.com> Greetings, fellow enthusiasts. Variety, so it is said, is the spice of life. And I enjoy variety in the Disney titles as much as the next crank. I want the mouse. Italian stuff. Gottfredson. Wright. And that weird Eega Beeva creature. Sadly, the Murry stuff leaves me cold, it seems to me to be a pale imitation of Gottfredson. I like quality stuff. Not dodgy page fillers. Keep those chipmunks away, they're rubbish. And the L'il Bad Wolf. What a little goody goody creep he is. No wonder his Pa is ashamed of him, especially when you see those sanctimonious smug pigs. They deserve to be eaten. The new issue of Uncle Scrooge is very good indeed by the way. I could detect no filler! Keep up the good work. Cheerio Vic ===== A FINE ELECTRONIC PORTMANTEAU OF COMICS AND CURIOSITIES AT: http://come.to/thefleacircus ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ From mgrhode at yahoo.com Tue Jul 29 14:42:13 2003 From: mgrhode at yahoo.com (Mike Rhode) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 05:42:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Disney Mickey Mouse comic strip returns to America Message-ID: <20030729124213.19437.qmail@web21404.mail.yahoo.com> Disney Presents Mickey Mouse, Again Media Giant Pushes to Make Cartoon Rodent Hip By Frank Ahrens Washington Post Staff Writer Saturday, July 26, 2003; Page E01 GLENDALE, Calif. -- If you thought Mickey Mouse was already ubiquitous, you ain't seen nothing yet. The sainted and globally famous four-fingered trademark of the Walt Disney Co. is about to become the centerpiece of a movie, retail, publishing, video and television campaign aimed at amplifying its marketplace presence. This year is Mickey's 75th birthday, and the Disney brass is determined not to let the cheerful geriatric rodent fade from public consciousness, the victim of company marketers too afraid to exercise the mouse's branding power for fear of cheapening Walt Disney's most important creation. On Wednesday at a theater in this Los Angles suburb, Disney Chairman Michael D. Eisner led a parade of company executives in a rally of hundreds of employees to reinforce that message. Mickey "is from and of every country around the world," said Deborah Dugan, president of Disney publishing. "Bugs Bunny wishes he could say that," she added, referring to the Warner Bros. character. Beginning this fall, Gemstone Publishing will reintroduce Disney comic books featuring Mickey and his pals, hoping to tap into the robust comic-book sector, which spawned and capitalized on the movie success of "Batman," "Spider-Man" and "The Incredible Hulk." Disney has also launched a retro-Mickey retail blitz by selling the famous Mickey T-shirts, which have in the past two years become hip, worn by such celebrities as rocker Lenny Kravitz and style-maker Sarah Jessica Parker in the HBO comedy, "Sex in the City." Roger Wyett, executive vice president of Disney's global apparel, noted that Parker wore a Mickey T-shirt on a recent episode of "Sex in the City" and by the following Tuesday, the ultra-chic Fred Segal Hollywood clothing boutique had already sold 60 of the T-shirts -- at $43 each. "We timed it -- [Parker] was onscreen with the T-shirt for four minutes," Wyett said. In other words, it was dream marketing for Mickey. Wyett noted that when Kravitz appeared in a magazine photograph two years ago wearing a vintage Mickey T-shirt, "it hit us like a two-by-four over the head." Trips to vintage-clothing stores -- where used Mickey T-shirts were selling for $100 to $300 -- confirmed that Mickey T's were a growing cultural phenomenon and Disney needed to monetize the trend. Disney's consumer-products division has been flagging since the decline of the character apparel trend in the mid-'90s (Warner Bros. has felt the same pinch on its character wear). Disney hopes that a Mickey full-frontal assault can help the division, though there is no guarantee that consumers have more of an appetite for the mighty Mouse, as evidenced by the division's poor results. In the second quarter this year, revenue for the consumer-products division was $500 million, down 14 percent from the second quarter of 2002. Much of the drag comes from soft sales at North America's 387 Disney stores, down from 522. Disney sold its stores in Japan last year and said in May that it would also sell its North American and European stores to a retailer practiced in running stores. At the same time, Disney has turned to alternative ways of marketing its products. Nina Jacobson, president of Disney's Buena Vista Motion Pictures Group, was asked to hand out Mickey T-shirts to movie stars who visited her office with the hope that they would wear them and be photographed. She gave them to Sharon Stone, Jodie Foster and Freddie Prinze Jr., among others. Disney is engaging in guerrilla marketing elsewhere in its home city. Disney enlisted a graffiti artist to render classic black-and-white Mickey comic strips on the sides of buildings on chic Sunset Boulevard and Melrose Avenue -- with permission, of course. Mickey's muscling-up is largely the work of Andrew Mooney, head of Disney consumer products. When he arrived four years ago, he found Mickey bound by ancient and Byzantine strictures determining how he could appear and in what form. Mickey was something of a sacred figure, and many in the company feared blaspheming him by putting him on too many products. Mooney, an early employee of Nike, realized that Mickey was Disney's "swoosh' -- the equivalent of the logo on Nike shoes. At the same time, Mooney sought to preserve the aging mouse's dignity, employing him judiciously. For example, in November, dozens of Mickey statues, painted in various motifs, similar to the "Party Animal" donkeys and elephants around Washington D.C., will debut in Disney World. They will later tour the country. More Mickey-intensive efforts will roll out over the next three years, including "The Three Musketeers," a straight-to-video movie scheduled to be released in August 2004. In fall of next year, Disney comic strips featuring Mickey will appear in newspapers. But it's likely that nothing will spread Mickey's mouse-face as widely as a three-year U.S. Postal Service commemorative stamp program that is to begin next year. The stamp designs will debut at Walt Disney World in October. Vivendi Universal's Grinch character from Dr. Seuss books has appeared on a stamp, as well as other trademarked images owned by large corporations. If the Mickey campaign goes well, Wyett suggested other projects for Disney. "What's next?" he asked the group of employees. "Donald Duck? Tinkerbell?" __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com Sat Jul 26 06:57:50 2003 From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 00:57:50 EDT Subject: Comics Storage/DDA Numbering/DD&Friends? Message-ID: <173.1da89b30.2c53644e@aol.com> To Rodney: I only got into Disney comics during the Disney Comics(1990-93) era. My only first-hand expreience(comics I've bought myself when they appeared for the first time) is with Disney Comics and Gladstone Series II. The only Series I comics I've ever had were bought used in comic shops, in which a majority of them are yellowed in the way I described. So I guess I had the luck of being comics that weren't stored properly(though the covers and pages outside of yellowing are great). Personally, except for the few comics(Series 1, a few others) I've bought that were already bagged/boarded, I've just put my Disney comics in small stacks in plastic grocery bags! They've all stayed nice and white/great condition overall. I guess the Don Rosa way of comics storage is the best way! But I've thought of buying bags/boards for the rest of my comics. So you suggest changing them every few years? What happens to the boards/bags that hurts the comics? ------------------------- Oh, a small comment about the upcoming DDA. Apparently it will be called #1? I feel sorry for a Disney comics newbie just getting into DDA collecting. You have DDA #1 from the Gladstone era. Then DDA #1 for the Disney Comics era. Then Series 2 begins with it's own numbering continuing from Series 1. Now, here's a third DDA #1. Has Disney comics decided to follow Marvel? ;) Also it seems that the formerly titled Gemstone comics 'Donald Duck and Friends' has now become Donald Duck? Yet it'll still have a supporting Mickey story? If that's so, the DD&Friends moniker would have seemed a better fit with 'Mickey Mouse and Friends', which is doing the opposite, except with Mickey at the forefront. Derek Smith -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030726/367f658a/attachment.html From olaf at andebyonline.com Mon Jul 28 18:32:53 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 18:32:53 +0200 Subject: Gemstone's mix (practically off-topic: An apology) References: <002a01c35514$9556b3a0$ae469dd9@idb3156> Message-ID: <005a01c35525$e55b4260$0900000a@olaftheblue> Rumour says that in my last mail I didn't make it clear enough that I was being ironic. Well, I was. I didn't mean a word of what I said. I apologize for not making that obvious enough. I assumed my letter was so STUPID that everybody could see nobody could mean this seriously... -- I said that ALL Disney comics FOREVER should contain ONLY Rosa/Barks. -- I "assumed" that practically everybody else ment the same as "I" did. -- I placed our everyday Mickey Mouse comics in the same booth as Disney Babies. -- I made up a probably non-existing majority. -- I claimed that Don Rosa is a god amongst comics creators (even ALL comics creators, not even Disney only). -- The ONLY reason I said Barks was good, was that Don Rosa based all his stuff on him, so he couldn't be THAT bad. -- As an example that one should always listen to the majority, I linked to an article stating the exact opposite. -- I was 100% sure there was market for an own wolf magazine in the USA. -- I said that EVERYTHING not written by Barks or Rosa is boring and not worth reading. -- I called Carl Barks "that guy Barks". -- I mentioned Van Horn and several others as "unknown amateurs". -- I put an equal sign between Gemstone and Disney and suggested that Gemstone should fire Egmont and Mandadori artists. -- I said that nobody should ever be given a chance in making new Disney comics because they couldn't be as good as Rosa anyway - but in the same sentence I was saying that Don Rosa should not have gotten a chance sixteen years ago. I thought I was obvious about that when saying "some engineer from Kentucky or something". -- I used myself and Fabio Blanco as examples of Gemstone's target group. Neither of us are unitedstatesians. -- Did anyone recognize the verse from my signature? It was the chorus from Alanis Morrisette's "Ironic". Sorry for confusing. Olaf the Black From dve at kabelfoon.nl Tue Jul 29 15:49:07 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 15:49:07 +0200 Subject: Mastering the Matterhorn (Larry, Carey, Olivier) Message-ID: <20030729133335.52094BE66D@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> This email is for Larry Giver, Carey Furlong, Olivier, and everyone else interested in this subject about Barks's 8-pager "Mastering the Matterhorn" (OS 1025). CAREY FURLONG to me, 21-07-2003: >> [] In panel 1.5, Donald says that >> somebody else must be using the toboggan. Could the toboggan (or >> "Toboggan"?) be a reference to Disneyland? Is (or was) it an >> attraction, for example? > Yes, this is a reference to the Bobsled ride in Disneyland, which > opened on June 14th, 1959, the same year the story was published. > When Barks wrote "Mastering the Matterhorn" the ride was not yet > open, and details about it were obviously sketchy at best. So, > Barks apparently improvised and assumed the ride was about toboggans > (in this case one toboggan -- how could he know different?). As it > turned out, the Bobsleds ride more closely resembled a customized > roller coaster. I should have mentioned that Barks only did the art for this story, at least officially. Still, this doesn't make clear if it was the writer or Barks who invented the design of the story's toboggan. It only shows that Barks may not be responsible for the design, or not entirely responsible. On panel 5.3, the toboggan is shown. It looks like a sled. The Beagle Boys put rockets on it, so they shot up the Matterhorn with the greatest of ease. I wonder how they could have used this toboggan *without* those rockets. The toboggan doesn't look like it can go up by itself alone. And in panel 7.6, a nephew comments that it's too steep to toboggan back down. Another nephew gets the idea of firing the rockets backward, so they can go down at a safe speed. But how would they have used the toboggan if it was kept standard, *without* these forward/backward rockets? OLIVIER to me, 23-07-2003: > Well, the question has already been answered. Seems like I made a > mistake back then, and assumed the story took place on the real > mountain. Well, at least, apart from this reference, there isn't > anything actually setting the action in the park; it can be any > mountain. The story doesn't seem to give information about this Matterhorn being for real or not. For a 4478 meters high mountain, the ducks climb it rather easily and quickly. But, on panel 5.1, the Beagle Boys refer to the snow being everlasting. Would this also be the case on the Disneyland Matterhorn? How high is the Disneyland Matterhorn? Is it an exact (but scaled) copy of the real Matterhorn? Maybe the story just pretends that the Matterhorn in Disneyland is the same mountain as the real Matterhorn in the alps in Europe. (I took the information on the Matterhorn being 4478 meters high, from this webpage: http://www.ivo.se/mike/matter.html) --- Dani?l From dve at kabelfoon.nl Tue Jul 29 16:20:00 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 16:20:00 +0200 Subject: Scrooge's billionaires club Message-ID: <20030729140421.E83B3BE692@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> In private, Frank Bubacz and I had a discussion about the creation of Scrooge's billionaires club. You can read it below. Any information, questions, or comments, are welcome! F = Frank D = me F> -Scrooge's billionaires club isn't a Barks creation, as he first F> used it in a story not written by himself: The Christmas Cha Cha! D> This makes me curious if the billionaires club has been used before D> "The Christmas Cha Cha!". F> Actually I learnt in the meantime that there is an earlier (Barks- F> written!) story that contains something comparable: The Titanic Ants. F> I don't know, however, if the name 'billionaires club' is mentioned. D> In the opening panel, Donald says that "today is the date of the D> Duckburg BILLIONAIRES PICNIC!" I haven't found other references in D> the story. Note: The INDUCKS story code of "The Titanic Ants" is "W DD 60-02".) D> BTW. Barks rewrote scripts, which hasn't always been documented. If D> "The Christmas Cha Cha!" is the first story with the club, then there D> still might be a chance that it was created by Barks. F> The chance is there, but my instincts tell me it wasn't Barks' idea to F> use it in that story, because he would probably have given it more of a F> function. (Or does it have? Can't really remember...) D> If I remember well, the club has a function. Scrooge is worried about D> the bad reputation of the club, and then the club lures him into doing D> something about it by giving away a prize for the best dancing couple. F> Still, it was not really necessary to use the club, because Scrooge F> could have been worried about his own reputation instead. In the 'Ants' F> story there is a reason for it to be included, as Barks seems to have F> aimed for the main sight gag of upper class snobs in embarrassing F> situations. Note: This is the point were Frank and I agreed to continue the discussion here, on DCML. --- Dani?l From reimersholme at hotmail.com Wed Jul 30 13:09:48 2003 From: reimersholme at hotmail.com (Stefan Persson) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 13:09:48 +0200 Subject: Who has made Disney comics the longest time? Message-ID: >From: S?ren Krarup Olesen >To: Disney Comics Mailing List >Subject: Who has made Disney comics the longest time? >Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 15:43:42 +0200 >The two candidates for the "prize" are however Luciano Bottaro and Romano >Scarpa. Bottaro: 1952-2001, Scarpa: 1953-2002 (both 49 years of comic >making!) Isn't Scarpa still making comics? Stefan _________________________________________________________________ Hitta r?tt p? n?tet med MSN S?k http://search.msn.se/ From frspreaf at tin.it Wed Jul 30 13:18:28 2003 From: frspreaf at tin.it (Francesco Spreafico) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 13:18:28 +0200 Subject: Who has made Disney comics the longest time? References: Message-ID: <020e01c3568d$4bddf240$0900a8c0@francesco01> Stefan Persson wrote: > Isn't Scarpa still making comics? Yep, and Bottaro too, actually! -- Francesco http://www.dimensionedelta.net/scarpa From kyrimis at cti.gr Wed Jul 30 13:47:34 2003 From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 14:47:34 +0300 Subject: Gemstone's mix (practically off-topic: An apology) Message-ID: <3F27B056.6020906@cti.gr> OLAF: > -- Did anyone recognize the verse from my signature? It was the chorus from > Alanis Morrisette's "Ironic". You also assume that people would know who Alanis Morrisette is... Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr) (WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis) ----- "Reason is the last thing you must expect, in this or any other world." ----- From kyrimis at cti.gr Wed Jul 30 14:25:55 2003 From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 15:25:55 +0300 Subject: Disney Mickey Mouse comic strip returns to America Message-ID: <3F27B953.30307@cti.gr> MIKE: > Beginning this fall, Gemstone Publishing will > reintroduce Disney comic books featuring Mickey and > his pals, hoping to tap into the robust comic-book > sector, which spawned and capitalized on the movie > success of "Batman," "Spider-Man" and "The Incredible > Hulk." So *that's* why Gemstone decided to publish Disney comics!!! :-) Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr) (WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis) ----- "Reason is the last thing you must expect, in this or any other world." ----- From cnotw at zen.it Wed Jul 30 15:01:02 2003 From: cnotw at zen.it (Luca Boschi) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 15:01:02 +0200 Subject: Who has made Disney comics the longest time? In-Reply-To: <200307251543.42645.raptus@stofanet.dk> Message-ID: Hello! I must correct you, S?ren! > The two candidates for the "prize" are however Luciano Bottaro and Romano > Scarpa. Bottaro: 1952-2001, Scarpa: 1953-2002 (both 49 years of comic making!) The winner is Luciano Bottaro. A new story of him was printed in 2003 (in "Maestri Disney"). So: 1952-2003 (51 years of comic making!). And Scarpa, indeed, is still working: 1953-2003. His jubilees is gonna be celebrated on Xmas, with a reprint of his very first effort in Disney comics... And with a tribute in Asolo Cartoon Preview Festival, 17-19 0ct., in Italy... Luca From bi442 at lafn.org Mon Jul 28 19:53:09 2003 From: bi442 at lafn.org (Rob Klein) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 17:53:09 GMT Subject: BarksTV Message-ID: <200307281753.h6SHr9Nv076298@zoot.lafn.org> I visited Carl Barks in the late 1960s and the very early 1970s. I don't remember seeing any television. I also remember him saying that it could be a dangerous thing and he wanted to avoid things like that. But, I don't remember if he said that to me, or that was a paraphrasing of what somebody, who knew him better,told me. (Malcom Willits, his partner (first name) Brown, or friend Jim Edmond? Forgive me. My old memory has been going downhill for the past 5- 10 years, and is getting worse every day. But it rings a bell, that he didn't have a television, and he thought "them new-fangled inventions" might lead a person into trouble! Despite Sigvald's logic, I'd say that rumour might have a basis in fact. There are a few others on this list who visited him in the early 1970s or before. Perhaps they can enlighten us as to their memories, and/or knowledge of that subject. Rob Klein --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using the LA Free-Net - LA's best kept secret. http://www.lafn.org/ From SBHSN at aol.com Thu Jul 31 06:17:55 2003 From: SBHSN at aol.com (SBHSN@aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 00:17:55 EDT Subject: Disneyland Matterhorn Message-ID: <62.32defd2c.2c59f273@aol.com> Daniel van Eijmeren says the Matterhorn elevation is 4478 meters in elevation. Disneyland's' Matterhorn is probably about 50 meters from base to peak, and the base is probably about 20 meters above sea level, so the only permanent snow has been placed there by the Imagineers. It's not an exact replica, but the shape is quite familiar. One can see the bobsleds as they travel in and out of various openings in the Matterhorn's exterior. Go here and you will find photos of the Matterhorn: solo, behind Astro Orbiter, and behind Submarine Lagoon... http://www.mouseplanet.com/desktops/dl.htm Steve in Austin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030731/1b4f2d94/attachment.html From longtom at oeste.com.ar Thu Jul 31 08:53:30 2003 From: longtom at oeste.com.ar (Fabio Blanco) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 03:53:30 -0300 Subject: Gemstone's mix (practically off-topic: An apology) References: <3F27B056.6020906@cti.gr> Message-ID: <003601c35730$8cbf4d60$6326fea9@fabio> > > -- Did anyone recognize the verse from my signature? It was the chorus from > > Alanis Morrisette's "Ironic". > > You also assume that people would know who Alanis Morrisette is... > Sure, she's related to Alan Moore... don't? FABIO (only joking, I know who Alanis is) bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar From Goofy313g at aol.com Thu Jul 31 15:47:14 2003 From: Goofy313g at aol.com (Goofy313g@aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:47:14 EDT Subject: Jiminy Cricket's Family Tree Message-ID: <1dc.ee2a73c.2c5a77e2@aol.com> Thanks a lot, Mateusz, for these informations. The tree of JIminy Cricket is great, even if it doesn't seem to be based on facts, is really nice. If we take a look at Jiminy's ancestor's clothes, we can guess that he is of Slavic origins. As these countries are somehow suffering of poverty, maybe we can understand why Jiminy is poor in his first appearance (in the beginning of "Pinocchio", before he begins an official conscience). About Jiminy's relatives... I know at least four of them: - Wibur the grasshopper from the cartoon "Goofy ad Wilbur" : it's not stated in that cartoon that wilbur is a relative of Jiminy, but in the tv show " walt disney presents: on vacation with micky mouse and friends", which features this short, Jiminy is told that Goofy is on holiday with his nephew Wilbur... - Charlie Cricket & son, - Junior these three characters are from rich bellacerra's hoozoo pages http://users.cwnet.com/xephyr/rich/dzone/hoozoo/jiminy.html Rich, could you enlight us on these characters? Gilles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030731/43b582fe/attachment.html From Goofy313g at aol.com Thu Jul 31 17:41:57 2003 From: Goofy313g at aol.com (Goofy313g@aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:41:57 EDT Subject: Jiminy's family tree, wilbur the grashoper Message-ID: <1ac.185edd26.2c5a92c5@aol.com> Hi! is it possible to have the exact references for these books (authors, date, drawers, etc) thanks about Wilbur the grasshoper being jiminy's nephew, we can imagine that Jiminy is his mother's brother, and that maybe his father or his father's father could be the grasshoper from the silly symphony "the grasshoper and the ants"... as i think this character was mentionned in a videoclip about jiminy's evolution... Gilles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030731/18d784b8/attachment.html From longtom at oeste.com.ar Thu Jul 31 17:43:54 2003 From: longtom at oeste.com.ar (Fabio Blanco) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 12:43:54 -0300 Subject: Jiminy Cricket's Family Tree References: <1dc.ee2a73c.2c5a77e2@aol.com> Message-ID: <003501c3577a$ad1ea840$6326fea9@fabio> MMmmm... I keep thinking Jiminy Cricket is a character from a book by Carlo Collodi. A book adapted by some animators in a Disney studio, but not a Disney invention... fabio bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar ----- Original Message ----- From: Goofy313g at aol.com To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 10:47 AM Subject: Jiminy Cricket's Family Tree Thanks a lot, Mateusz, for these informations. The tree of JIminy Cricket is great, even if it doesn't seem to be based on facts, is really nice. If we take a look at Jiminy's ancestor's clothes, we can guess that he is of Slavic origins. As these countries are somehow suffering of poverty, maybe we can understand why Jiminy is poor in his first appearance (in the beginning of "Pinocchio", before he begins an official conscience). About Jiminy's relatives... I know at least four of them: - Wibur the grasshopper from the cartoon "Goofy ad Wilbur" : it's not stated in that cartoon that wilbur is a relative of Jiminy, but in the tv show " walt disney presents: on vacation with micky mouse and friends", which features this short, Jiminy is told that Goofy is on holiday with his nephew Wilbur... - Charlie Cricket & son, - Junior these three characters are from rich bellacerra's hoozoo pages http://users.cwnet.com/xephyr/rich/dzone/hoozoo/jiminy.html Rich, could you enlight us on these characters? 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