From olaf at andebyonline.com Sat Nov 1 00:49:26 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 00:49:26 +0100 Subject: "magical speed" = nonsense, and a little bark coffee In-Reply-To: <200310312317.h9VNHegU001465@webmail.dht.dk> References: <200310312317.h9VNHegU001465@webmail.dht.dk> Message-ID: <1067644166.3fa2f506d657a@imp.webhuset.no> Sigvald wrote an interesting post on why Bruno Concina shows lack of respect for the readers' knowledge. And... Well, here's a few opinions. 1. Something could have held up Magica, slowing her down on the way. Like... She crashed into a pole half-way there. Or... she stopped to buy a hot-dog. (Did anyone see the Simpsons episode where Homer drives in a terribly high speed to deliver his tax return in time, and stops to buy a hot dog ten seconds before? Hilarious!) But since such a hot-dog-break would be of no interest to the reader, they didn't bother to draw it. 2. Since she could fly so fast, Magica decided to take a few extra turns just for fun - like, 120 trips around the earth. Again, something most readers wouldn't be interested in seeing. 3. Magica flew so fast that she missed Duckburg. I mean... She would have got there in less than half a second, and it would be terribly complicated to calculate the exact direction she would have to fly in, so she needed a few tries before getting safe to Duckburg. Plus, when flying so fast, you will need a pretty long time to slow down to zero again. 4. The person stating that "magical speed" is equal to the half of the half of the half of the speed of light, could be wrong. Yeah, that happens. Not all comics characters know what they're talking about all the time. 5. The receipt and guarantee for the broomstick said that it could fly so fast, but that wasn't true. Perhaps the guarantee went out the day before she decided to fly. Magica wouldn't notice that, as she still would be flying VERY fast (Italy-Calisota in five minutes? I call that fast!), thus she would still state she was flying in magical speed, although that was wrong. 6. The pilot seeing Magica, didn't necessarily see her with his bare eyes, but through Scrooge's new Gyrovision(TM). Even I wouldn't have any problems recognizing her in one of those. No, seriously: I think you take this with a little too much gravity, Sigvald. This speed is simply meant to be a funny thing, which - as you said - most readers won't notice. Or they will notice, but just see it as a funny fact. I mean... Half of half of half of half of half of half of half of half of half of half of half of half of the speed of light doesn't sound that impressive any more. If we should think that way, you can also say that Carl Barks had no respect for the readers' knowledge of geography - every sane reader will know that there IS no place called "Calisota". Carl Barks had no respect for the readers' knowledge of geometry - there's no such thing as a cubic acre. Still, I've never heard you say anything negative about Carl Barks, Sigvald. Why is that? Nah, let's just say that Magica stopped for a hot dog on the way there. That sounds so much better than saying that the author shows lack of respect for the readers. Don't you think? Oh, and speaking of coffee: > This thus means that there most probably is a goof in panel 2 > on page 110 in the new huge book "Andebys Skurker" (="The bad > guys of Duckburg") which is recently published here in Norway. > In the actual panel $crooge is served bark-coffe instead of > nutmeg-tea. Sigvald, when Barks once wrote that Scrooge loves nutmeg-tea, he did NOT write that Scrooge NEVER drinks anything but nutmeg-tea. So, Scrooge is still free to drink e.g. coffee. To be completely honest with you, Sigvald, _I_ just wrote a story where Scrooge is served coffee. And I even mention somewhere else in the story that Scrooge loves nutmeg-tea! YES, he loves nutmeg-tea. But he also drinks other things. Like, bark-coffee, which is a hilarious pun, if you ask me. Making coffee out of tree bark... only a miser like Scrooge could do something like that. Now, if Nino Russo had made Scrooge say in a frame that he HATES nutmeg-tea from the bottom of his heart... THAT would be a goof. Drinking something else isn't. Olaf the blue From sigvald at duckburg.dk Sat Nov 1 01:00:08 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 2:00:08 +0200 Subject: They were born on Don Rosa's birthday! Message-ID: <200311010100.hA11081P001601@webmail.dht.dk> Hi all! Take a look at this: http://www.rogavis.no/nyheter/article783114.ece A local newspaper here in the Stavanger area recently had a nice article about two patients that met each other during an X-ray examination at a local hospital. They were born at the exactly same date but with exactly 100 years in difference. The old one was born on June 29th 1903, while the young one was born on June 29th 2003. Why I mention this here? Because June 29th is also Don Rosa's birthday! Sigvald From vazali at yahoo.com Sat Nov 1 02:38:43 2003 From: vazali at yahoo.com (Katie Sullivan) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:38:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: Tea and thee? In-Reply-To: <200311010102.hA112UIt012489@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <20031101013843.95058.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> Sigvald wrote: >Another such absolute fact is IMO that $crooge is very fond of >drinking >nutmeg-tea. This thus means that there most probably is a goof >in panel 2 on >page 110 in the new huge book "Andebys Skurker" (="The bad guys >of Duckburg") which is recently published here in Norway. In >the ctual panel >$crooge is served bark-coffe instead of nutmeg-tea. The >responsible for this >possible goof is either the writer of this story - Nino Russo, >or the Norwegian translator. I don't see the problem. My favorite drink is root beer, but I drink other things from time to time. I'm sure Scrooge drinks plenty of different things besides nutmeg tea. Even if the story you're talking about said outright that Scrooge *hates* nutmeg tea, that would only contradict the Barks/Rosa continuum. Scrooge's preference in beverages is hardly as critical a story-fact as his #1 dime or the number of Donald's nephews. ;) Is it possible the writers or translators for this story were making a pun by having him drink "bark coffee," being a Barks character? Katie Sullivan http://www.sullivanet.com/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From bangfish at comcast.net Sat Nov 1 03:41:09 2003 From: bangfish at comcast.net (Gary Leach) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 21:41:09 -0500 Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 9, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <200311010102.hA112UIs012489@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: Sigvald: > Another such absolute fact is IMO that $crooge is very fond of drinking > nutmeg-tea. Dunno about "absolute," but it can be taken as given that he's fond of it. Then again, he's also fond of diner coffee. Gary From martino at olsen.tdcadsl.dk Sat Nov 1 05:03:58 2003 From: martino at olsen.tdcadsl.dk (Martin Olsen) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 05:03:58 +0100 Subject: Of lemmings, lockets, and lies(hoaxes) References: <200311010104.hA113nIu012562@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <000f01c3a02d$2d09df20$9257a450@opasia.dk> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "L. Schulte" > Subject: Disney and Lemmings [...] > Of interest particularly to the Scandinavians here is an article on > lemmings today in my local newspaper (Toledo Blade) and the hoax that > Disney Studios invented in 1958 about mass suicide among lemmings. The > Disney film was produced as part of the "True Life Adventures" series, and > remains fairly fixed despite expos?s over the last 20 years about the > hoax. For some reason the producers thought lemmings occasionally > committed mass suicide as a solution to over-population: the article states > that at rare times lemmings in Norway migrate, and that at times some might > be forced off cliffs or riverbanks during the migrations. This apparently > struck the film-makers as a great cinematic episode: they hired Alaskans to > trap lemmings, then in Alberta, Canada they deliberately panicked the > lemmings and filmed them running off a riverbank, then claimed this was a > scene of the lemming mass suicide in Norway! > There is still a phrase in American English today "like lemmings to the > sea" meaning people who mindlessly follow everyone else towards disaster. > Was there not also a Duck Tales episode about lemmings rushing to the sea? > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20031031/a5d70da0/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:17:48 +0100 > From: Olaf Solstrand > Subject: Re: Disney and Lemmings > To: "L. Schulte" > Cc: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se > Message-ID: <1067606268.3fa260fcbb812 at imp.webhuset.no> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > Was there not also a Duck Tales episode about lemmings rushing to the sea? > > At least there was a Carl Barks story. A beautiful one. "The Lemming with the > Locket". > > ------------------------------ > I am in no position to question the fact that the Disney Studios invented a 'hoax' about the behaviour of lemmings in 1958, although I see the description given by L. Schulte more as a description of un-ethic behaviour of a movie production team who deliberately drove a vast number of lemmings to their death(s) to get a point through. (This fact is of course not a proof that lemmings do not behave in the described manner in nature! Also this statement is not meant to say that I believe they do - as I have no way to know!) Barks' story 'The Lemming With the Locket' was published in Uncle Scrooge #9 with cover date March 1955, so Carl Barks obviously could not have known that 'True Life Adventure' when he wrote and drew that story in 1954. I find it hard to believe that the mass-suicide motive was invented by Carl Barks for this story, so my belief is that Carl Barks had his knowledge about the (alleged) behaviour of lemmings from another source. (Could it be an issue of National Geographic?) At least, this view on the life (and death) of lemmings is older than the Disney True Life Adventures movie from 1958, so I would hesitate to call the latter an invention of a hoax. Martin From lgiver at pacbell.net Sat Nov 1 10:33:32 2003 From: lgiver at pacbell.net (Larry Giver) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 01:33:32 -0800 Subject: Scrooge & coffee Message-ID: <6.0.0.14.1.20031101012541.01cb7a60@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Sigvald, Carl Barks wrote several half-page or one page gags of Scrooge ordering a cup of coffee in a diner, trying to get a lower price than normal or a larger portion. In one episode, he brings his own expanding cup; in another, he brings his own donut, which is made of sponge material. Don Rosa included both these items in scenes of Scrooge's storeroom (I think early in the story when Donald starts the shrinking-ray machine). From vazali at yahoo.com Sat Nov 1 21:40:07 2003 From: vazali at yahoo.com (Katie Sullivan) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 12:40:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Scrooge & coffee In-Reply-To: <200311011100.hA1B0GIt005555@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <20031101204007.82687.qmail@web41509.mail.yahoo.com> > From: Larry Giver > Sigvald, Carl Barks wrote several half-page or one page > gags of Scrooge ordering a cup of coffee in a diner, trying to > get a lower price than normal or a larger portion. In one > episode, he brings his own expanding cup; in another, he > brings his own donut, which is made of sponge material. > Don Rosa included both these items in scenes of Scrooge's > storeroom (I think early in the story when Donald starts > the shrinking-ray machine). That's right! I forgot about those Barks shorts. Some of my absolute favorite Barks one-pagers! ^_^ I also like the Yukon one where Scrooge is urging his dog sled across the tundra, yelling "Mush! Mush!" Then he gets to the nearest trading post and sees how expensive good food is. He ends up ordering the cheapest item on the menu--mush! LOL! Katie Sullivan http://www.sullivanet.com/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From sigvald at duckburg.dk Sat Nov 1 23:19:23 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 0:19:23 +0200 Subject: DCML and spam Message-ID: <200311012319.hA1NJNJ1005712@webmail.dht.dk> Hi all! Lately, an increasing amount of spam has reached my duckburg.dk mailbox. I think this is because I use this mail-account when addressing DCML and then those mails are made available on-line, not only for serious people, but also indeed for spam-terrorists. I have however a suggestion that at least can make it easier to detect spam-mails from DCML-mails. The idea is that the following prefix: "dcml: " should be automatically added in front of the title of all DCML-mails before they reach our mailboxes. This mail would then have reached your mailboxes with the following title "dcml: DCML and spam" and you would instantly knew that you had received a serious mail and not a spam-mail. Is this possible? Sigvald From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Sun Nov 2 11:03:21 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 11:03:21 +0100 Subject: DCML and spam References: <200311012319.hA1NJNJ1005712@webmail.dht.dk> Message-ID: <002501c3a128$8c512dc0$02d6fdc1@computer> Hi everyone! Sigvald: >>> Lately, an increasing amount of spam has reached my duckburg.dk mailbox. I >>> think this is because I use this mail-account when addressing DCML and then >>> those mails are made available on-line Or they simply lift if of your own web page. >>>The idea is that the following prefix: "dcml: " should be automatically added in front of the >>> title of all DCML-mails before they reach our mailboxes. I don't know about Netscape & other e-mail softwares (though I assume Netscape's has a similar feature), but you can configure Outlook Express to sort your mail, without having to add such a prefix. All DCML messages are forewarded through dcml at stp.ling.uu.se ; copy this address. Create a mailbox directory called DCML (for instance) (right-click on the root InBox and Create New Folder). In Outlook Express' menu, choose Tools / Message Rules / Mail, then in the box, click on Create a New Rule; the rules are very easy to define. Check the "When the line To" & "When the line CC" boxes, click on them in the bottom box, paste the DCML address ( dcml at stp.ling.uu.se ), don't forget to OK it, and switch the command to "OR" (so that it reads "When the line ... or When the line ..."). In the second box, check the "Move to folder..." box, then at the bottom, click on it to select the DCMl folder. Now, all the DCML mail will automatically moved in the appropriate folder! :) The remaining mail will be either from individual DCML members writing to you directly (create a new "DCML members" Folder & Rule, using the "Contains" option with the e-mail address), or spam. I have "DCML" & "Disney Friends" rules, plus several others, which all work fine, so that all the mail is sorted, I immediately see what "kind" of mail I have, and the e-mails that remain unsorted in the root InBox are so few that the spam-deleting (rather, "blocking") is very easy. An on-topic story: WDC&S 83 (Aug '47), CBLoWCD&SiC Album 11-- Donald invents an anti-salesmen system. Have a nice week! Olivier From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sun Nov 2 15:20:40 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 15:20:40 +0100 Subject: DCML and spam Message-ID: <20031102140517.84B6319FB97@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> As far as I know, the online email addresses of DCML subscribers have all been altered, by replacing the "@" for "at". This has been done to avoid automoatic detection of email addresses, to avoid abuse by spammers. See for example: http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/roster/dcml http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-November/date.html --- Dani?l From deanmary at worldnet.att.net Mon Nov 3 00:16:03 2003 From: deanmary at worldnet.att.net (deanmary) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 18:16:03 -0500 Subject: Scrooge waterglobe Message-ID: <000b01c3a197$4a4056d0$d9c65e0c@deanmary> I know that many people on the list collect Donald, Scrooge, etc. items. Very rarely does Disney produce Scrooge McDuck items. The last significant items were made back in 1997 for Scrooge's 50th "birthday", "anniversary", or whatever we are currently calling that! :) The following link connects you to a new Scrooge snowglobe Disney is selling: http://disney.store.go.com/DSSectionPage.process?Merchant_Id=2&Section_id=14418&Product_Id=150050&Searchstr=scrooge&Page=1 I just thought some people might be interested in it. I ordered mine yesterday! :) Dean Rekich From ericchun at hotmail.com Mon Nov 3 01:47:04 2003 From: ericchun at hotmail.com (Eric Chun) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 16:47:04 -0800 Subject: John Nichols? Message-ID: Harry wrote: >Does anyone know the e-mail address of John Nichols? >The one that I have doesn't work (I got a bounce message). jnichols at kingston.net _________________________________________________________________ Surf and talk on the phone at the same time with broadband Internet access. Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). https://broadband.msn.com From lgiver at pacbell.net Mon Nov 3 06:10:45 2003 From: lgiver at pacbell.net (Larry Giver) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 21:10:45 -0800 Subject: "Stolen Time" on the Simpsons Message-ID: <6.0.0.14.1.20031102210359.01cc7e58@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> I just watched the latest(?) Simpsons episode, in which Bart had a stop-watch just like the one the Beagle Boys had in Rosa's "On Stolen Time". He and Milhous could click the stopwatch once to stop time for everyone except themselves, then click it again to resume real time for all. Did the Simpson creators steal this idea from Don's story? From cord.wiljes at biblioforum.de Mon Nov 3 08:12:14 2003 From: cord.wiljes at biblioforum.de (Cord Wiljes) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 08:12:14 +0100 Subject: AW: "Stolen Time" on the Simpsons In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.14.1.20031102210359.01cc7e58@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002701c3a1d9$cf377840$0300a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> Larry Giver wrote: > I just watched the latest(?) Simpsons episode, in which > Bart had a stop-watch just like the one the Beagle Boys > had in Rosa's "On Stolen Time". He and Milhous could > click the stopwatch once to stop time for everyone > except themselves, then click it again to resume real > time for all. Did the Simpson creators steal this idea > from Don's story? There already was a "Twilight Zone" episode called "A Kind of Stop Watch" filmed back in 1963 which featured a stopwatch which could stop time. And I really wouldn't be suprised if the idea could be traced back still further to one of the old SF pulp magazines like "Astounding". Cord From lis- at wp.pl Mon Nov 3 11:09:05 2003 From: lis- at wp.pl (mateusz lis) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:09:05 +0100 Subject: "Stolen Time" on the Simpsons Message-ID: Larry Giver wrote: > I just watched the latest(?) Simpsons episode, in which > Bart had a stop-watch just like the one the Beagle Boys > had in Rosa's "On Stolen Time". He and Milhous could > click the stopwatch once to stop time for everyone > except themselves, then click it again to resume real > time for all. Did the Simpson creators steal this idea > from Don's story? In DuckTales' episode "Time Teasers" from 1988 (written by Anthony Adams) Beagle Boys also used a stop-watch to steal $crooge's cash. They had stolen the stop-watch from Gyro, like in Don's story. Best wishes, Mateusz Lis From donrosa at iglou.com Mon Nov 3 15:11:54 2003 From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 09:11:54 -0500 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 4 In-Reply-To: <200311031102.hA3B2gIt001198@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: > From: "deanmary" > Subject: Scrooge waterglobe > The following link connects you to a new Scrooge snowglobe Disney > is selling: > http://disney.store.go.com/DSSectionPage.process?Merchant_Id=2&Sec Thanks! And it's a Barks-style $crooge, not a "Mickey's Christmas Carol" counterfeit Scrooge like I expected. I ordered one 2 minutes after I read your message. It wasn't in their stupid monthly catalogue of Winnie the Pooh pajamas and Disney Princess playsets. > From: Larry Giver > Subject: "Stolen Time" on the Simpsons > I just watched the latest(?) Simpsons episode, in which > Bart had a stop-watch just like the one the Beagle Boys > had in Rosa's "On Stolen Time". He and Milhous could > click the stopwatch once to stop time for everyone > except themselves, then click it again to resume real > time for all. Did the Simpson creators steal this idea > from Don's story? No, we both, as well as the producers of that kidvid "Clockstoppers", stole the idea from John D. MacDonald's 1962 novelette "The Girl, the Gold Watch and Everything". > From: "mateusz lis" > Subject: Re: "Stolen Time" on the Simpsons > In DuckTales' episode "Time Teasers" from 1988 (written by Anthony Adams) > Beagle Boys also used a stop-watch to steal $crooge's cash. They > had stolen > the stop-watch from Gyro, like in Don's story. !!! There *was* such an episode?!?! I never watched that show! But that episode would predate my story! That sure looks suspicious, eh? But we all stole the idea from that 1962 MacDonald story. From ggk at wp.pl Mon Nov 3 16:50:48 2003 From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 16:50:48 +0100 Subject: "Stolen Time" on the Simpsons References: Message-ID: <001601c3a222$40627d10$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8> > In DuckTales' episode "Time Teasers" from 1988 (written by Anthony Adams) > Beagle Boys also used a stop-watch to steal $crooge's cash. They had stolen > the stop-watch from Gyro, like in Don's story. I olsow remember a movie obaut a boy who olsow had a Time stoping stop-watch (I don't remembr did hi steal it from Gyro :-) ). Your's Maciek From madame82 at hotmail.com Mon Nov 3 20:35:21 2003 From: madame82 at hotmail.com (Madame Jennifer Inantaz) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 13:35:21 -0600 Subject: Uncle Scrooge snowglobe~ Message-ID: Thank you for the information on the snowglobe, Dean! In the description of the globe: "Plays the Donald Duck theme song." I didn't know there *was* one. >_>; Do you think they meant the DuckTales theme? I have a Scrooge snowglobe that I got a couple years back. It plays 'Pennies from Heaven' when you wind it. And...it was selling for $13 at Tuesday Morning (I just felt like rubbing that little bit in :-p...) Though the one you showed is nicer in detail. Thanks again, Dean. :-) _________________________________________________________________ Enjoy MSN 8 patented spam control and more with MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service. Try it FREE for one month! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From info at klartekst.no Mon Nov 3 21:32:46 2003 From: info at klartekst.no (Klartekst) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 21:32:46 +0100 Subject: Donald Duck Theme Song Message-ID: <001101c3a249$a6bde140$8119fea9@klartekst> >In the description of the globe: "Plays the Donald Duck theme song." I >didn't know there *was* one. The classic DD cartoons had a theme song. The lyrics can be found at http://www.culttelly.co.uk/lyrics/dd.html I believe the song was written by one of the animators. Anybody else know more about it? Nils Smeby From frankbubacz at hotmail.com Mon Nov 3 22:15:00 2003 From: frankbubacz at hotmail.com (Frank Bubacz) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:15:00 +0100 Subject: Donald Duck Theme Song Message-ID: It can be downloaded here: http://disneyshorts.toonzone.net/characters/donald.html Lovely, innit? Frank _________________________________________________________________ Sch?tzen Sie Ihren Posteingang vor unerw?nschten E-Mails. http://www.msn.de/antispam/prevention/junkmailfilter Jetzt Hotmail-Junk-Filter aktivieren! From madame82 at hotmail.com Mon Nov 3 23:59:39 2003 From: madame82 at hotmail.com (Madame Jennifer Inantaz) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 16:59:39 -0600 Subject: DD theme song and nutmeg tea~ Message-ID: Oh, ok, thanks Nils and Frank! I've heard that song before (it's been a long time), I never thought of it as his theme song! Well, you learn new things everyday...^_^* ---------------------------- Everyone was talking about how much Scrooge enjoyed nutmeg tea; so, me being an avid tea drinker decide to make myself a cup. Mm, it's not exactly a taste sensation, but it doesn't taste bad... http://www.holistic-online.com/Herbal-Med/_Herbs/h156.htm Frank wrote: > It can be downloaded here: > > http://disneyshorts.toonzone.net/characters/donald.html > > Lovely, innit? Haha... I had forgotten about that. Those have to be the worst lyrics ever, but they really fit the atmosphere of the Donald cartoons of that period. Does anyone know who wrote and/or sang it? Alas, it still scares me. "Sweetest disposition?" -- Dane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20031104/7e65c1ca/attachment.html From Danehog at aol.com Tue Nov 4 02:41:38 2003 From: Danehog at aol.com (Danehog@aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 20:41:38 EST Subject: Scrooge's Nutmeg Tea Addiction: The Unofficial Explanation Message-ID: <164.27c05e43.2cd85dd2@aol.com> Madame82 wrote: > ~~~~~~ Nutmeg WARNING page; READ: > http://www.personalhealthzone.com/herbal_medicine/side_effects/nutmeg_side_ef > fects.html > > I'm sorry if this is too off topic! Interesting! I was never much of a tea fan, but I should try a batch of nutmeg tea just to experience its plethora of potentially damaging side effects. Maybe it explains a lot of Scrooge's behavior and/or money-related neurosis? According to the mentioned Web site: "Taking too much nutmeg can cause hallucinations." It's official: All that money ISN'T REALLY THERE. "High dosage can cause bizarre behavior and visual, auditory, and tactile hallucinations along with nausea, gagging, hot/cold sensations, and blurred vision followed by numbness, double, and 'triple' vision, headache, and drowsiness." That would explain the large batch of "mischaracterized" Scrooge incidents in "DuckTales." "An overdose of nutmeg can be fatal." The REAL reason a "Death of Scrooge" story will never see print! "High dosage can cause bizarre behavior and visual, auditory, and tactile hallucinations along with nausea, gagging, hot/cold sensations, and blurred vision followed by numbness, double, and 'triple' vision, headache, and drowsiness." Ye cats and little kittens! "Nutmeg contains several compounds with structural similarities to substances with known central nervous system neuromodulatory activity." Ah-HA! "A case of acute anticholinergic hyperstimulation in a pregnant woman was associated with excessive ingestion of nutmeg." Does nutmeg-addiction run in the family? Does this have "HDL explanation" written all over it? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~*OchaGirl*~ Ocha wa dame desu-yo! <== Most likely horribly wrong. Please don't hate me for this ultimately pointless addition to DCML. -- Dane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20031104/fbc8aea2/attachment.html From kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net Tue Nov 4 02:44:55 2003 From: kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 20:44:55 -0500 Subject: Donald Duck Theme Song Message-ID: <000301c3a275$448becc0$8e24d044@youroxg2elbf6o> On a similar note, I've been wanting to ask if any of you are familiar with ANOTHER Donald theme song. It was performed once or twice on the old Disneyland show. If any of you know the lyrics I'd be greatly appreciative. I'm thinking that maybe Jimmy Dodd wrote it and performed it on the show. I just remember that it starts.... Quack! Quack! Quack! Donald Duck in his sailor suit! Quack! Quack! Quack! Donald Duck! Gee, I think he's cute! I would love it if someone could remember the rest of it because I sing it (with some made-up lyrics) to my two-year old son every night. Every night he says, "Donal' Duk" at bedtime! I made up some lame extra lyrics for my boy: Oh, I love the way he waddles and quacks the day away! I love my little Donald, So I think I'll say: Quack! Quack! Quack! Donald Duck in his sailor suit! Quack! Quack! Quack! Donald Duck! Gee, I think he's cute! Any help on remembering the real lyrics would be much appreciated! Well 9:00 PM is fast approaching, and my audience awaits! Matthew A. Williams From bangfish at comcast.net Tue Nov 4 02:55:15 2003 From: bangfish at comcast.net (Gary Leach) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 20:55:15 -0500 Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 9, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: <200311031101.hA3B0nIs000885@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: Cord wrote: > There already was a "Twilight Zone" episode called "A Kind > of Stop Watch" filmed back in 1963 which featured a stopwatch > which could stop time. And there's John D. MacDonald's 1962 novel "The Girl, The Gold Watch, and Everything," which centered on a watch that could stop time for everyone except the person holding it. (Made into a TV movie in 1980 starring Robert Hays and Pam Dawber.) Gary From vazali at yahoo.com Tue Nov 4 03:37:20 2003 From: vazali at yahoo.com (Katie Sullivan) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 18:37:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: nutmeg tea & snowglobes In-Reply-To: <200311040156.hA41uRIt005047@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <20031104023720.53013.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com> o_0 LOL!!!!! Hallucinogenic, huh? That explain sooooooo much. ;) I can't afford that new snowglobe, but I have the older one what plays "Pennies From Heaven." I got it back in 1998. I love it! ^_^ Katie Sullivan http://www.sullivanet.com/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From lis- at wp.pl Tue Nov 4 07:56:02 2003 From: lis- at wp.pl (mateusz lis) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 07:56:02 +0100 Subject: Donald Duck Theme Song In-Reply-To: <001101c3a249$a6bde140$8119fea9@klartekst> Message-ID: Nils wrote: > The classic DD cartoons had a theme song. The lyrics can be > found at > > http://www.culttelly.co.uk/lyrics/dd.html > > I believe the song was written by one of the animators. > Anybody else know more about it? It was written by Oliver Wallace. If you want to sing/play this song, click here: http://disneymania.w.interia.pl/dd_theme_song.JPG Best wishes, Mateusz Lis From NHH at ra.sa.dk Tue Nov 4 08:52:59 2003 From: NHH at ra.sa.dk (Niels Houlberg Hansen) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 08:52:59 +0100 Subject: Attention Danish Taliaferro fans Message-ID: <4C7F3CA00894D711A1AE0090279A6A630EC930@rasrv-exc.sa.dk> Starting 1 November, the Danish give-away newspaper "MetroXpress" publishes a daily Donald Duck strip. It looks as if they've started with the strip from 6 May 1957 and are going to continue chronologically. On the opening day, they also ran an article about the duck's history and personality (and mentioning Carl Barks, Al Taliaferro, Tony Strobl, Freddy Milton and Flemming Andersen). Niels. From sigvald at duckburg.dk Tue Nov 4 09:33:48 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:33:48 +0200 Subject: SV: Attention Danish Taliaferro fans Message-ID: <200311040933.hA49XmTT013851@webmail.dht.dk> Niels Houlberg Hansen wrote: > Starting 1 November, the Danish give-away > newspaper "MetroXpress" publishes > a daily Donald Duck strip. It looks as if > they've started with the strip from 6 May > 1957 and are going to continue chronologically. > On the opening day, they also ran an article > about the duck's history and personality (and > mentioning Carl Barks, Al Taliaferro, Tony > Strobl, Freddy Milton and Flemming Andersen). Assuming you have listed all the mentioned creators I must say that it gives me an *impression* of Danish chauvinism (the mentioning of Milton and Andersen) combined with a clear lack of respect for great modern non-Danish creators like Don Rosa, William Van Horn, Marco Rota and others. Sigvald From olaf at andebyonline.com Tue Nov 4 11:55:24 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 11:55:24 +0100 Subject: SV: Attention Danish Taliaferro fans In-Reply-To: <200311040933.hA49XmTT013851@webmail.dht.dk> References: <200311040933.hA49XmTT013851@webmail.dht.dk> Message-ID: <1067943324.3fa7859c6398f@imp.webhuset.no> Quoting "Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr." : > Assuming you have listed all the mentioned creators I must say that it > gives > me an *impression* of Danish chauvinism (the mentioning of Milton and > Andersen) combined with a clear lack of respect for great modern non-Danish > creators like Don Rosa, William Van Horn, Marco Rota and others. Aren't EVERYBODY chauvinistic every now and then, Sigvald? I mean... take me and you for example. Long before any of my stories were printed, you suggested to this list that my stories should a) be printed by Gemstone and b) be collected in own books. You wouldn't have suggested that if I was Polish or Chinese. Personally, I don't see any harm done in that article. As long as the old squadron - people like Taliaferro and Barks - are presented, I think that's all there's needed for such an article. I have no problem seeing that strong national feeling makes them add to this article that e.g. Freddy Milton and Flemming Andersen are making Disney comics today (note that I use the word "national feeling", not "chauvinism". Also, please note the MAJOR difference between nationalism and nazism). For an article following such a series of strips, that's not really necessary, but it's nationalistic. And I see no problem in being nationalistic. It's not necessary to mention e.g. Don Rosa in such an article either, even though many agree he's the best Disney comics creator there is today. An article about the development of Donald Duck *needs* no mention of the greatest creators today, but everything always looks better with a little nationalism. But as I frankly think that's a silly little thing to argue about, I'll stop now. Best, Olaf From dve at kabelfoon.nl Tue Nov 4 13:01:31 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:01:31 +0100 Subject: SV: Attention Danish Taliaferro fans Message-ID: <20031104114606.25B1219FAD2@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> SIGVALD GROSFJELD to NIELS HANSEN, 04-11-2003: >> On the opening day, [MetroXpress] also ran an article about the >> duck's history and personality (and mentioning Carl Barks, >> Al Taliaferro, Tony Strobl, Freddy Milton and Flemming Andersen). > Assuming you have listed all the mentioned creators I must say that > it gives me an *impression* of Danish chauvinism (the mentioning of > Milton and Andersen) combined with a clear lack of respect for great > modern non-Danish creators like Don Rosa, William Van Horn, Marco > Rota and others. Okay, I'll bite. Assuming you have found it really necessary to write this email I must say that it gives it gives me an *impression* of a stubborn guy who's just going to continue polluting this mailing list with annoying nonsense about other people and countries. Will you ever learn? You're full of judging about other people's "lack of respect". Where's your own (self)respect? --- Dani?l, quite stubborn himself, by once again replying to this stuff From lpj at forfatter.dk Tue Nov 4 12:44:11 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 12:44:11 +0100 Subject: Attention Danish Taliaferro fans Message-ID: <005601c3a2c9$afb1d7e0$75749dd9@idb3156> Sigvald Grøsfjeld jr. wrote: >> On the opening day, [the Danish give-away >> newspaper "MetroXpress"] also ran an article >> about the duck's history and personality (and >> mentioning Carl Barks, Al Taliaferro, Tony >> Strobl, Freddy Milton and Flemming Andersen). > > Assuming you have listed all the mentioned creators I must say that it > gives me an *impression* of Danish chauvinism (the mentioning of > Milton and Andersen) combined with a clear lack of respect for great > modern non-Danish creators like Don Rosa, William Van Horn, Marco Rota > and others. I notice you didn't mention me above, Sigvald. Should I take that as a lack of respect for me? Or simply as you not having the room (and time) to list every Disney creator ever born? Fact is, this was an article in a *Danish* newspaper, aimed at *Danish* readers. *Of course* they would mention two of the most popular current-day Danish Disney creators. I suspect that if the article had been in a Norwegian paper, there would have been references to Håkon Aasnes and Olaf Solstrand. And possibly you. Lars From rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com Tue Nov 4 15:46:51 2003 From: rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com (rodney-selfhelpbikeco@juno.com) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:46:51 GMT Subject: this again?! Message-ID: <20031104.064724.5792.322105@webmail23.nyc.untd.com> >Assuming you have listed all the mentioned creators I must say that it >gives >me an *impression* of Danish chauvinism Do we really have to go through all of this again?! It's a newspaper article, and it sure wouldn't be a good one if it listed the 29 best artists in Duck comics. rodney. ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From anders_sivebaek at nns.dk Tue Nov 4 15:54:11 2003 From: anders_sivebaek at nns.dk (Anders Christian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Siveb=E6k?=) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 15:54:11 +0100 Subject: Vol 9, Issue 6 - article In-Reply-To: <200311041101.hA4B17Iu031252@numerus.ling.uu.se> References: <200311041101.hA4B17Iu031252@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: Hi all > Niels: > >Starting 1 November, the Danish give-away newspaper "MetroXpress" >publishes >a daily Donald Duck strip. >It looks as if they've started with the strip from 6 May 1957 and are >going >to continue chronologically. >On the opening day, they also ran an article about the duck's history and >personality (and mentioning Carl Barks, Al Taliaferro, Tony Strobl, Freddy >Milton and Flemming Andersen). Thanks for this bit of information, Niels - maybe you could grap a couple of extra copies one day if you pass a place with a stack of the paper? > Sigvald: > >Assuming you have listed all the mentioned creators I must say that it >gives >me an *impression* of Danish chauvinism (the mentioning of Milton and >Andersen) combined with a clear lack of respect for great modern >non-Danish >creators like Don Rosa, William Van Horn, Marco Rota and others. I would say: it gives *you* an impression - You nor i have read the article. A journalist maybe writing about a subject who isn't in his own field of interest, might chose those writers, and add two danish ones that are known here. The ones chosen are the ones known. Yes, don Rosa is known too, but he's new. He wouldn't be mentioned in connection with an article introducing to news paper strips from 1957 - thinking about it, who made the manuscripts after that year? should he be mentioned? Was it Osborne? I'm glad they actually printed an article about the ducks in connection with this. Niels, could you scan the article - or maybe bring it for the xmasmeeting in DDF(R) - if you're coming. (All members of the club here - welcome) Hilsen/Yours Anders Christian Siveb?k Donaldist From avuono at UDel.Edu Tue Nov 4 16:31:50 2003 From: avuono at UDel.Edu (Anthony Vuono) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:31:50 -0500 Subject: Publication of Letter from Home Message-ID: <000501c3a2e8$c7e03d60$7c42af80@Anthony> Has a publication date for a "Letter from Home" been set yet in Europe? Will it come out this year or early in 2004? From dve at kabelfoon.nl Tue Nov 4 17:17:19 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:17:19 +0100 Subject: this again?! Message-ID: <20031104160154.13143BE789@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> RODNEY BOWCOCK, 04-11-2003: >> Assuming you have listed all the mentioned creators I must say >> that it gives me an *impression* of Danish chauvinism > Do we really have to go through all of this again?! It's a > newspaper article, and it sure wouldn't be a good one if it > listed the 29 best artists in Duck comics. I think the complaint isn't about having to list 29 best artists in Duck comics, at all. My guess is that (once again) the complaint is about the omission of the name of just *one* particular artist. (The first of the three names mentioned in the complaint.) This is just my *impression*, though. --- Dani?l From cien2 at cbn.net.id Tue Nov 4 17:40:01 2003 From: cien2 at cbn.net.id (Arie Fachrisal) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 23:40:01 +0700 Subject: References: <200311040157.hA41vBIu005074@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <000701c3a2f2$4db99860$a2769eca@cien2> Don Rosa: > No, we both, as well as the producers of that kidvid "Clockstoppers", stole > the idea from John D. MacDonald's 1962 novelette "The Girl, the Gold Watch > and Everything". That must have been a very famous story since i remember i once read a version of that time stopping watch in a manga story, namely Doraemon created by Fujiko F. Fujio. (not my favorite manga though but Doraemon was like Mickey in USA as Doraemon in Japan) and thanks for the guys and galswho've supplied the links of DD's theme songs and the lyrics, downloadd all of em and having a great deal of fun listening to it. Never listen em before but the tune's catchy and fun. Keep On Stopping the time, Arie Fachrisal From madsj at raptus.dk Tue Nov 4 17:55:41 2003 From: madsj at raptus.dk (Mads Jensen) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 17:55:41 +0100 Subject: Techniques Message-ID: <3FA7DA0D.7060207@raptus.dk> Hi I read the article about Don Rosa in the Kentucky Alumni (can be seen here: http://duckman.pettho.com/alumni1.jpg ), I have been wondering what the advantages about the techniques of drawing backwards to you reach halfway, and then draw from the beginning till you reach the beginning ? Maybe Don Rosa would tell more about this ? Best, Mads From ggk at wp.pl Tue Nov 4 18:11:10 2003 From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:11:10 +0100 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 4 References: Message-ID: <005201c3a2f6$aa10fb40$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8> Don Rosa : > !!! There *was* such an episode?!?! I never watched that show! But that > episode would predate my story! That sure looks suspicious, eh? But we all > stole the idea from that 1962 MacDonald story. > Actualy in dis episode the Stop-Watch didn't stop the time but meak it very slow. Letter The Beagle Boy's (Bankjob, Babyface and Bibob) broke it and it send theam to past were they face the Vaiking's. Your's Maciek From raptus at stofanet.dk Tue Nov 4 18:23:56 2003 From: raptus at stofanet.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Krarup_Olesen?=) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 18:23:56 +0100 Subject: this again?! In-Reply-To: <20031104160154.13143BE789@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> References: <20031104160154.13143BE789@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Message-ID: <3FA7E0AC.20905@stofanet.dk> DANI?L: > I think the complaint isn't about having to list 29 best artists in > Duck comics, at all. My guess is that (once again) the complaint is > about the omission of the name of just *one* particular artist. (The > first of the three names mentioned in the complaint.) This is just > my *impression*, though. Heh. This is not only your *impression*, it is also my *impression*, so all in all we have a *shared impression* on this matter :-) Anyway, we have a similar give-away paper up here in Aalborg (far from the capital), but that is unfortunately less interesting (mildy speaking). However, like AC, I sure hope that Niels will either scan the article or optionally index the strips which are not in Inducks already. S?ren From deanmary at worldnet.att.net Tue Nov 4 19:34:09 2003 From: deanmary at worldnet.att.net (deanmary) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:34:09 -0500 Subject: Donald Duck theme song Message-ID: <001101c3a302$3da3e880$dac75e0c@deanmary> Knowing Disney, I wouldn't be shocked if the "Donald Duck" theme song with the snowglobe turns out to be the DuckTales theme! :( Dean Rekich From donrosa at iglou.com Tue Nov 4 20:28:24 2003 From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:28:24 -0500 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 7 In-Reply-To: <200311041837.hA4IaoIt003904@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: > From: "Arie Fachrisal" > That must have been a very famous story since i remember i once read a > version of that time stopping watch in a manga story, I wasn't being totally serious when I said that I or anyone "swiped" the time-stopwatch idea from MacDonald. I had never read or heard of that story when I first used the idea. A stopwatch that stops time is simply a really obvious notion. It's what is done with the idea that might differ, and having subsequently read MacDonald's version I'll wager that it was the most clever (if only by virtue of the fact that he had more space to develop it). > From: Mads Jensen > Subject: Techniques > I read the article about Don Rosa in the Kentucky Alumni (can be seen > here: http://duckman.pettho.com/alumni1.jpg ), I have been wondering > what the advantages about the techniques of drawing backwards to you > reach halfway, and then draw from the beginning till you reach the > beginning ? > Maybe Don Rosa would tell more about this ? I hope the article said that I *write* the story backwards. I don't *draw* it backwards. However, once written properly (and by "properly" I mean not in that modern "Marvel style" of comic writing), it should be just as easy to draw it backwards or draw random panels (like they film movies) as it is to draw it in the correct sequence . The advantages were not explained in the article? But it should be obvious. I am working with a finite number of pages and I need to have a beginning, a middle and an ending all in one unit (again, unlike the "Marvel style"). I need the story to end on that last page in that last panel... and the ending is the most important point. So if I know that panel, I know the second to the last panel. And if I know the second to the last panel, I'll know the third to the last, and so on. When I get about halfway I jump to the first page because the second most important part of any story is the beginning, how we are pulled into the mystery or action with the characters. If you start a $crooge adventure with the treasure hunt already underway, who cares what's happening?! So I work panel by panel towards the middle, looking at my previously jotted down list of needed sequences or story elements. I "dovetail" the beginning into the ending -- the middle of a story has the action or humor, and it makes no difference if there are X, X+1 or X-1 number of these scenes. The action is not essential to the story (again, unlike the "Marvel style" method). So I can add or subtract funny bits or action scenes in the middle. They are expendable, unlike the logic or meat of the story. For me, it's exactly like working a jigsaw puzzle... I am fitting angular pieces together to form a unit that's not too big or too small. My pieces are always too big for my jigsaw puzzles, but instead of leaving those pieces out and shortchanging the story/reader, I get out a pair of scissors and trim the ideas and mash them down into the plot. That doesn't make an "artistic" story, but it apparently makes an entertaining story -- and my goal is not art, it's entertainment. (Digression: To see a demonstration of this, look at the new Egmont issues with my "Trash or Treasure" story. The other stories in the issue have more like 7 panels per page. My story had an average of well over 11 panels per page. That's 60% more! Is that good? Or does it just hurt the eyebulbs?) Anyway, at that point I already know exactly what ideas need to be conveyed in each speech balloon or caption, but I have not yet written it word for word. I then write the dialogue in a normal chronological sequence. I'm sure I'm not the discoverer of this technique of writing backwards... it would strike me as the only way a comic book or a short story or any finite-length fiction can be written. So just remember, you're dealing with three things here -- the writing of the story, the writing of the dialogue, and the drawing of the pages. > From: "KUR" > Actualy in dis episode the Stop-Watch didn't stop the time but > meak it very slow. Oops. Then maybe that writer *did* swipe MacDonald's idea. That's too close to that novelette for comfort. From Danehog at aol.com Tue Nov 4 21:44:58 2003 From: Danehog at aol.com (Danehog@aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:44:58 EST Subject: Danish Donald Strip Reprints Message-ID: <1e1.12af50b7.2cd969ca@aol.com> Niels wrote: >Starting 1 November, the Danish give-away newspaper >"MetroXpress" publishes >a daily Donald Duck strip. >It looks as if they've started with the strip from 6 May >1957 and are going >to continue chronologically. >On the opening day, they also ran an article about the >duck's history and >personality (and mentioning Carl Barks, Al Taliaferro, Tony >Strobl, Freddy >Milton and Flemming Andersen). Sounds great! I could never see the US doing something like that, since the US newspaper-syndication is all about money and/or not offending the masses. Is there any chance of the reprint strips becoming syndicated, and not appearing in "MetroXpress" exclusively? (I'm not familiar with how syndication works over there.) I'd love to see this done with Mickey as well... -- Dane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20031104/d59ebde2/attachment.html From Danehog at aol.com Tue Nov 4 21:50:52 2003 From: Danehog at aol.com (Danehog@aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:50:52 EST Subject: "Backwards" Comic-Writing Technique Message-ID: Mads wrote: >Hi > >I read the article about Don Rosa in the Kentucky Alumni >(can be seen >here: http://duckman.pettho.com/alumni1.jpg ), I have been >wondering >what the advantages about the techniques of drawing >backwards to you >reach halfway, and then draw from the beginning till you >reach the >beginning ? Although I'll be frank and say that your sentence made no sense whatsoever, I know what you mean. And personally, I think it's a concept that would seem to work well with laying out a comic book story -- or any story, for that matter. Once you have the ending fleshed out, you can't get any more structured than that, I'd say, because you know exactly where you have to get from that point... But he *draws* them that way as well? -- Dane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20031104/b460108d/attachment.html From Danehog at aol.com Tue Nov 4 21:55:46 2003 From: Danehog at aol.com (Danehog@aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:55:46 EST Subject: DuckTales Episode Message-ID: <62.36e20fef.2cd96c52@aol.com> Maciek wrote: >Actualy in dis episode the Stop-Watch didn't stop the time >but meak it very >slow. Letter The Beagle Boy's (Bankjob, Babyface and Bibob) >broke it and it >send theam to past were they face the Vaiking's. The single redeeming value of that episode was the Beagle Boys' unexpected musical interlude. It was kind of frightening... -- Dane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20031104/1c4c8e78/attachment.html From lis- at wp.pl Wed Nov 5 09:41:25 2003 From: lis- at wp.pl (mateusz lis) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 09:41:25 +0100 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 4 In-Reply-To: <005201c3a2f6$aa10fb40$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8> Message-ID: Maciek wrote: > Actualy in dis episode the Stop-Watch didn't stop the time but > meak it very > slow. Well, I just re-watched (it's a miracle that after 12 years these wideo tapes are still "watchable" (i don't know if such word exists)) the begining of this episode, and the stop-watch *did* stop the time. > Letter The Beagle Boy's (Bankjob, Babyface and Bibob) > broke it and it > send theam to past were they face the Vaiking's. They met pirates, not Vikings. Best wishes, Mateusz Lis From NHH at ra.sa.dk Wed Nov 5 13:04:08 2003 From: NHH at ra.sa.dk (Niels Houlberg Hansen) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:04:08 +0100 Subject: Danish Donald Strip Reprints Message-ID: <4C7F3CA00894D711A1AE0090279A6A630EC946@rasrv-exc.sa.dk> >Niels wrote: >>Starting 1 November, the Danish give-away newspaper >"MetroXpress" publishes >>a daily Donald Duck strip. >>It looks as if they've started with the strip from 6 May >1957 and are going >>to continue chronologically. Dane wrote: >Sounds great! I could never see the US doing something like that, since the >US newspaper-syndication is all about money and/or not offending the masses. >Is there any chance of the reprint strips becoming syndicated, and not >appearing in "MetroXpress" exclusively? (I'm not familiar with how syndication works >over there.) >I'd love to see this done with Mickey as well... >Dane The Donald Duck strip is distributed by the Swedish syndicate Bulls Presstj?nst in Stockholm. I guess they have the distribution rights in the whole of Scandinavia. So any Scandinavian newspaper or magazine that wanted to publish the strip could "subscribe" to it. Unfortunately - as far as I know - "MetroXpress" in Copenhagen is the only Danish newspaper that does so. Regards Niels From NHH at ra.sa.dk Wed Nov 5 13:51:17 2003 From: NHH at ra.sa.dk (Niels Houlberg Hansen) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:51:17 +0100 Subject: Attention Danish Taliaferro fans Message-ID: <4C7F3CA00894D711A1AE0090279A6A630EC947@rasrv-exc.sa.dk> I see that my original message about the Taliaferro reprints has given rise to a number of follow-up messages. For those that don't read Danish, here is a translation of the article, so you can judge for yourselves whether "MetroXpress" is a chauvinistic newspaper or not. "As of today our readers can follow the troubles of Donald Duck on this paper's final pages. *Oh, bury me thar - with my battered guitar*. This song is noteworthy because it's Donald Duck's only real success so far. It was a radio hit in Duckburg and environs. And, well, the duck was also king for a short while, but apart from that it seems as if Donald Duck never quite found himself at home in the idyllic, middle-class Duckburg. But for generations the Danes have loved the morally dubious anti-hero, whereas the American always preferred the virtuous Mickey Mouse. Actually Donald Duck first appeared as a secondary character in a cartoon in 1934, but it didn't take him long to embark on his own career. In Denmark Carl Barks is the best known duck artist. He has a.o. created Scrooge McDuck. In his version Scrooge is a mean capitalist, a miser with no reconciling traits and far from the cozy, eccentric Scothman that appears in the DuckTales shows. Barks did not, however, work on the daily Donald Duck strip. It was Al Taliaferro who was asked in 1938 to transfer his film adventures to comic strips. And he continued to do so right until the 1960s in a unsurpassed technical quality. Later he was joined by the no-less talented Tony Strobl, but also capable Danish artist like Freddy Milton and Flemming Andersen have been successful in creating clever episodes. Today almost half the global production of Disney comics is produced by Egmont in Denmark. If the opening panel contains a *D* it's a sign that the story was produced there." Apart from the fact that readers might get the impression that Strobl, Milton and Andersen worked on the newspaper strip like Taliaferro, I think it's a pretty decent article. To Anders Christian and S?ren: Yes, I'll cut out the article and scan it. I'm also going to cut out the strips every day so they can be indexed if need be. If nothing else, this proves that I have too much time to spare, when I've got time to translate an entire newspaper article. ;-) Regards Niels From olaf at andebyonline.com Wed Nov 5 13:49:57 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:49:57 +0100 Subject: Danish Donald Strip Reprints In-Reply-To: <4C7F3CA00894D711A1AE0090279A6A630EC946@rasrv-exc.sa.dk> References: <4C7F3CA00894D711A1AE0090279A6A630EC946@rasrv-exc.sa.dk> Message-ID: <1068036597.3fa8f1f5b69e2@imp.webhuset.no> > Unfortunately - as far as I know - "MetroXpress" in Copenhagen is the only > Danish newspaper that does so. Are you talking about good old Taliaferro strips, or Donald Duck strips in general? The Norwegian newspaper "Verdens Gang" does publish Donald Duck strips six days a week (alongside "Calvin & Hobbes" and "Dilbert"). They've done that for as far as I can remember (meaning, AT LEAST 10-15 years). And I know for sure that is Bulls Press. And that's not the only one. According to a news article I read about six months ago, Donald Duck strips are now published in *eleven* Norwegian newspapers. (In comparision: The most-published strip in Norwegian newspapers is "Hagar the Horrible" in 40 newspapers, followed by "Pondus" in 39 newspapers, "The Phantom" in 31, "Calvin & Hobbes" in 24 and "Beetle Bailey" in 17.) Of all the strips from Bulls Press, Donald Duck is the fifth most published, only beaten by "Hagar the Horrible", "The Phantom", "Beetle Bailey" and "Jens von Bustenskjold", and sharing the fifth place with "Ernie". So unless we're talking about two different kinds of Donald Duck strips, Bulls' Donald Duck strips have for sure been published in Scandinavia for several years. Best, Olaf From NHH at ra.sa.dk Wed Nov 5 14:40:53 2003 From: NHH at ra.sa.dk (Niels Houlberg Hansen) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 14:40:53 +0100 Subject: Danish Donald Strip Reprints Message-ID: <4C7F3CA00894D711A1AE0090279A6A630EC94B@rasrv-exc.sa.dk> >> Unfortunately - as far as I know - "MetroXpress" in Copenhagen is the only >> Danish newspaper that does so. >Are you talking about good old Taliaferro strips, or Donald Duck strips in >general? >The Norwegian newspaper "Verdens Gang" does publish Donald Duck strips six days >a week (alongside "Calvin & Hobbes" and "Dilbert"). They've done that for as >far as I can remember (meaning, AT LEAST 10-15 years). And I know for sure that >is Bulls Press. >And that's not the only one. According to a news article I read about six >months ago, Donald Duck strips are now published in *eleven* Norwegian >newspapers. (In comparision: The most-published strip in Norwegian newspapers >is "Hagar the Horrible" in 40 newspapers, followed by "Pondus" in 39 >newspapers, "The Phantom" in 31, "Calvin & Hobbes" in 24 and "Beetle Bailey" in >17.) Of all the strips from Bulls Press, Donald Duck is the fifth most >published, only beaten by "Hagar the Horrible", "The Phantom", "Beetle Bailey" >and "Jens von Bustenskjold", and sharing the fifth place with "Ernie". >So unless we're talking about two different kinds of Donald Duck strips, Bulls' >Donald Duck strips have for sure been published in Scandinavia for several >years. >Best, >Olaf What I meant was: To my knowledge "MetroXpress" is the only newspaper in DENMARK that reprints the old Taliaferro strips. I don't know how many Norwegian, Swedish and Finish papers that publish them. But I hope it's a great number because they deserve it. Regards Niels From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Wed Nov 5 14:47:20 2003 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 14:47:20 +0100 Subject: Award Message-ID: Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr. wrote: > nonsense > made a great big goof here. > just completely nonsense > lack of respect > I am an historian who in his studies focused on the 1700th century. > So maybe we can now agree that > Another such absolute fact > The responsible for this possible goof is > Why I mention this here? Because June 29th is also Don Rosa's birthday! > a clear lack of respect for great modern non-Danish creators like Don Rosa > serious people > a serious mail All this was in 5 mails. I think that, since a new month has started, Sigvald is trying hard to get the award for the "most ridiculous DCML mail of the month". Let's agree that he already deserved this award now, so there will be no need for such mails for the rest of the month! --Harry. From rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com Wed Nov 5 14:59:00 2003 From: rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com (rodney-selfhelpbikeco@juno.com) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:59:00 GMT Subject: OT: life of tape Message-ID: <20031105.055958.3579.638611@webmail10.nyc.untd.com> >Well, I just re-watched (it's a miracle that after 12 years these wideo >tapes are still "watchable" (i don't know if such word exists)) the >begining of this episode, and the stop-watch *did* stop the time. It's no surprise at all if you cared for your tapes. Video tape can last many, many, years, but it has to be cared for properly. I have friends with audio tapes that are literally 35-40 years old and they sound as good as they did when they were made. rodney. ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From olaf at andebyonline.com Wed Nov 5 15:25:31 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 15:25:31 +0100 Subject: Danish Donald Strip Reprints In-Reply-To: <4C7F3CA00894D711A1AE0090279A6A630EC94B@rasrv-exc.sa.dk> References: <4C7F3CA00894D711A1AE0090279A6A630EC94B@rasrv-exc.sa.dk> Message-ID: <1068042331.3fa9085bcf050@imp.webhuset.no> > What I meant was: To my knowledge "MetroXpress" is the only newspaper in > DENMARK that reprints the old Taliaferro strips. Yes, I noticed three seconds AFTER sending my reply. I have to start reading what I reply for... From ggk at wp.pl Wed Nov 5 22:22:38 2003 From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 22:22:38 +0100 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 4 References: Message-ID: <001701c3a3e2$f29f04f0$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8> > Well, I just re-watched (it's a miracle that after 12 years these wideo > tapes are still "watchable" (i don't know if such word exists)) the > begining of this episode, and the stop-watch *did* stop the time. I seen whole episode. It was toping time but it olsow was fezzing it. For exempel wen Beagle Boy's use it to stell Scrooge's money : Wen they pres butoon they diseperd. Scrooge Gyro HD&L was moving normaly but the Beagle Boy's were moving sow fast they coudent see theam. > They met pirates, not Vikings. Ow rith. I remember now. One of theam was Black Pete. Your's Maciek From longtom at oeste.com.ar Wed Nov 5 23:45:58 2003 From: longtom at oeste.com.ar (Fabio Blanco) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 19:45:58 -0300 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 4 References: <001701c3a3e2$f29f04f0$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8> Message-ID: <003201c3a3ee$a31aeaa0$4e7b37c8@fabio> Congratulations Maciek, I think Walt Kelly never could make an accent so weird like that... ?Babelfish translator? Fabio > I seen whole episode. It was toping time but it olsow was fezzing it. For > exempel wen Beagle Boy's use it to stell Scrooge's money : Wen they pres > butoon they diseperd. Scrooge Gyro HD&L was moving normaly but the Beagle > Boy's were moving sow fast they coudent see theam. > > > They met pirates, not Vikings. > > Ow rith. I remember now. One of theam was Black Pete. > > Your's > Maciek > From kimba1962 at comcast.net Thu Nov 6 01:24:03 2003 From: kimba1962 at comcast.net (kimba1962@comcast.net) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 00:24:03 +0000 Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 9, Issue 8 Message-ID: <110620030024.487.1f90@comcast.net> Dane wrote: > Maciek wrote: > > >Actualy in dis episode the Stop-Watch didn't stop the time > >but meak it very > >slow. Letter The Beagle Boy's (Bankjob, Babyface and Bibob) > >broke it and it > >send theam to past were they face the Vaiking's. > > The single redeeming value of that episode was the Beagle Boys' unexpected > musical interlude. It was kind of frightening... Actually, I think that this episode ranks right up there as one of the best and most "Barksian" of the first-season "DT" eps. It had humor, suspense, good characterization, the whole package. The Beagle Boys' "musical number" was simply icing on the cake. (Don't forget that Pete -- called "Captain Blackheart" here -- made a "costumed" appearance in this one, as he did in "The Duck in the Iron Mask" and "Pearl of Wisdom.") Chris From are.myklebust at f1101.aetat.no Thu Nov 6 08:52:57 2003 From: are.myklebust at f1101.aetat.no (Myklebust,Are) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 08:52:57 +0100 Subject: Al Taliaferro, Floyd Gottfredson - Disney Legends Message-ID: TIMO WROTE: >http://news.awn.com/index.php3?ltype=top&newsitem_no=9411 >Finally... I thought they already were "Disney Legends" ... Sigh... >How about Ub Iwerks? Ub Iwerks received the "Disney Legends Award" from the Walt Disney Company posthumous in 1989 (together with Walt Disney's "Nine Old Men"). Carl Barks was among those who received the Award in 1991. - and finally Taliaferro and Gottfredson got their awards posthumous this year (2003). But I agree Timo, they have been "Disney Legends" for a long time! After my opinion Paul Murry should be the next comic book artist in line for the Award! Best, Are Myklebust From olaf at andebyonline.com Thu Nov 6 15:55:49 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 15:55:49 +0100 Subject: Need more help for the story, this time Norwegian kings Message-ID: <1068130549.3faa60f5cc961@imp.webhuset.no> This is just as off-topic as my mail about opera some months ago - no real connection to Disney comics, except for that the input I get will be used in a story I'm writing. This time, I need help on one thing. I'm refering to lots of history, and my number one source is the sagas of the Norwegian kings (as I think I've mentioned, this will be a story where Vikings play a large role). Problem is, old kings and earls don't always have the same names in Norwegian and English. Like, the king that in my book is referred to as Olav Tryggvason, will in an English book have the name Olaf Tryggvason. This is a problem for me, as I know all the Norwegian names, and need the English ones. So: Does anyone here either a) know a lot about Norwegian vikings, or b) HAS the sagas of the Norwegian kings in English, or c) knows of a web page that deals with my problem (English and Norwegian viking names) Can anyone help me? For those of you who think this is very off-topic, I'm sorry. Olaf the Blue From jlerose at rtsz.com Thu Nov 6 16:49:26 2003 From: jlerose at rtsz.com (J LeRose) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 10:49:26 -0500 Subject: Question on Walt Disney signatures References: <200311060756.hA67uOIt009983@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <3FAA6D86.BE8648BC@rtsz.com> I know Al Taliaferro was authorized to sign Walt Disney's name. I would like to get a complete as possible list of those artists that were also authorized to sign his name while he was still alive. I also know that some artists signed their own name on the back of the gifts or presentation pieces which had Walt Disney on the front. Any info on this would also be appreciated. Thanks, Jeff From cord at wiljes.de Thu Nov 6 17:06:25 2003 From: cord at wiljes.de (Cord Wiljes) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 17:06:25 +0100 Subject: AW: Question on Walt Disney signatures In-Reply-To: <3FAA6D86.BE8648BC@rtsz.com> Message-ID: <006401c3a47f$ee5733c0$0300a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> Jeff wrote: > I know Al Taliaferro was authorized to sign Walt Disney's name. And who was the artist who originally designed the famous Disney signature? It is not Walt's own, if I remember correctly. Cord From timoro at hotmail.com Thu Nov 6 18:08:16 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 19:08:16 +0200 Subject: Question on Walt Disney signatures Message-ID: >I would like to get a complete as possible list of those artists >that were also authorized to sign his name while he was still alive. These I know for sure: Floyd Gottfredson, Taliaferro, Hank Porter, Dick Moores, Ted Thwaites, Bob Moore and Manuel Gonzales. Further Reading: David Smith: The Most Recognizable Signature in teh World, Manuscripts Vol 33, n:o 2 Spring 1981. I think this article is on the net. Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ................................. "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - kaikki yst?v?t klikkauksen p??ss?! Lataa t?st? ilmaiseksi. http://www.msn.fi/viestintapalvelut/Messenger From timoro at hotmail.com Thu Nov 6 18:13:17 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 19:13:17 +0200 Subject: AW: Question on Walt Disney signatures Message-ID: >And who was the artist who originally designed the famous >Disney signature? It is not Walt's own, if I remember correctly. I think it was Hank Porter. Timo _________________________________________________________________ Tilaa nyt Hotmail postit k?nnykk??si! http://www.msn.fi/mobiili/ From spe at inducks.org Thu Nov 6 18:23:32 2003 From: spe at inducks.org (Stefan Persson) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 18:23:32 +0100 Subject: AW: Question on Walt Disney signatures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FAA8394.4050302@inducks.org> timo ronkainen wrote: >> And who was the artist who originally designed the famous >> Disney signature? It is not Walt's own, if I remember correctly. > > I think it was Hank Porter. There are two famous Disney signatures. Which of them are you talking about? Stefan From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Thu Nov 6 18:38:36 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 18:38:36 +0100 Subject: Question on Walt Disney signatures References: <006401c3a47f$ee5733c0$0300a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> Message-ID: <003f01c3a48c$cf2b3d40$d921fdc1@computer> Cord: >>> And who was the artist who originally designed the famous >>> Disney signature? It is not Walt's own, if I remember correctly. Here are two quotes from the excellent "The Hand Behind the Mouse" (Leslie Iwerks & John Kenworthy)-- "Ubbe had been working for Pesmen-Rubin for a month [ie, since September, 1919] when a young man named Walter Disney walked into the studio office seeking employment with an impressive portfolio of drawings. the seventeen-year old Disney was hired immediately. [...] In short, the two became fast friends. Ubbe was amused that Walter always used his own name to practice lettering. Most artists used the alphabet for practice, but Walter would try different approahces in designing his own name: Walter Disney, E.E. Disney, Walt Disney, Walter Elias Disney. Walter asked Ubbe which he preferred. 'Walt Diseny', Ubbe replied. Walt it was." (p 4) "Even the famous signature logo that to this day signifies all things Disney was manufactured to promote the name 'Walt Disney'. It has been rumored-- and is indeed very likely that the logo, based on Walt Disney's actual signature, like Mickey Mouse, was first drawn by Ub Iwerks and later modified by other Disney artists. Regardless of how it was created or the artists whose hands graced its delicate curves, it remains every bit Walt Disney's signature" (pp80-1) Olivier From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Thu Nov 6 19:05:34 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 19:05:34 +0100 Subject: Need more help for the story, this time Norwegian kings References: <1068130549.3faa60f5cc961@imp.webhuset.no> Message-ID: <001001c3a490$939a1360$d921fdc1@computer> Olaf: >>> So: Does anyone here either >>> c) knows of a web page that deals with my problem (English and Norwegian >>> viking names) I have found this site: http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~cherryne/mythology.html Browsing through the characters, I see that in the texts they spell the names using a special font which I guess must be at least close to the original spelling (ex: ??rr / Thor). There's also a "Runes" page, plus several links. Sometime I will have to read about the Norse mythology, starting with the web sites I have bookmarked. A couple of other links on the subject of folklore, mythology, legends, tall tales, ...-- Bulfinch's Mythology http://www.bulfinch.org/ Folklore and Mythology e-texts http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/folktexts.html Folklore, Myth and Legend http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~dkbrown/storfolk.html Myths & Legends http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze33gpz/myth.html Deities http://www.wiccan-refuge.com/deities.html Kalevala Pictures by Akseli Gallen-Kallela http://www.niksula.cs.hut.fi/~xyu/kale-gb/gapic.html Kalevala pictures http://kalevala.onego.ru/eng.htm About the Kalevala http://www.finlit.fi/kalevala/indexeng.html Tall Tales http://www.hasd.org/ges/talltale/talltale.htm The Moral Washington http://xroads.virginia.edu/~CAP/gw/gwmoral.html Olivier From cien2 at cbn.net.id Thu Nov 6 19:30:58 2003 From: cien2 at cbn.net.id (Arie Fachrisal) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 01:30:58 +0700 Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 9, Issue 9 References: <200311060757.hA67vBIu010006@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <003a01c3a494$33147680$22779eca@cien2> > From: "Don Rosa" > I wasn't being totally serious when I said that I or anyone "swiped" the > time-stopwatch idea from MacDonald. I had never read or heard of that story > when I first used the idea. A stopwatch that stops time is simply a really > obvious notion. It's what is done with the idea that might differ, and > having subsequently read MacDonald's version I'll wager that it was the most > clever (if only by virtue of the fact that he had more space to develop it). Ups, sorry about my misunderstanding. > From: Niels Houlberg Hansen > "As of today our readers can follow the troubles of Donald Duck on this ******snip******* generations the Danes > have loved the morally dubious anti-hero, whereas the American always > preferred the virtuous Mickey Mouse. ******snip******* Just curious. Is this "americans prefer MM than DD" is/was a fact in United States? I always thought that most of the americans also preferred DD than MM. That MM garners more popularity in multimedia (TV, radio, clubs, etc.) was due to his position as main mascot of Disney. That's why i so often thought of "americans prefer MM than DD" is more of a stereotype. But of course, i can be wrong and it;s only my guess. After all, i dont live in America and never been there. Keep On Quacking, Arie Fachrisal who wants to go to USA someday From ggk at wp.pl Thu Nov 6 23:18:56 2003 From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 23:18:56 +0100 Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 9, Issue 8 References: <110620030024.487.1f90@comcast.net> Message-ID: <004d01c3a4b3$f8a6ad40$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8> > Actually, I think that this episode ranks right up there as one of the best and most "Barksian" of the first-season "DT" eps. It had humor, suspense, good characterization, the whole package. The Beagle Boys' "musical number" was simply icing on the cake. (Don't forget that Pete -- called "Captain Blackheart" here -- made a "costumed" appearance in this one, as he did in "The Duck in the Iron Mask" and "Pearl of Wisdom.") He olsow (Black Pete) aperd in : - "The Lost Crown of Genghis Khan" (as Gengish Khan him self) - "Merid Time Adventure" (As good gay : Dogface Pete) If you ask me the best episode was "Send in the Clones" and "Till Nephews Do Us Part" Yours Maciek From xephyr at cwnet.com Thu Nov 6 23:55:40 2003 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 14:55:40 -0800 Subject: Harry: Dexter Dingus Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20031106/c628f941/attachment.pl From madame82 at hotmail.com Fri Nov 7 00:25:31 2003 From: madame82 at hotmail.com (Madame Jennifer Inantaz) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 17:25:31 -0600 Subject: Norwegians, Vikings, and comics..oh my! Message-ID: I've found the Younger/ Snorr Edda (1225 app) : Heimskringla (or) The Chronicle of the Kings of Norway By Snorri Sturluson... http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/OMACL/Heimskringla/index.html#contents This is an interesting link; though I wouldn't give the person a gold star in the looks department.... http://students.washington.edu/cfritsch/vikings.html Sadly, I don't know a whole lot about Nowegian Kings/ Vikings... -------------------------------------- OchaGirl~ who needs to study on Norwegian history now... _________________________________________________________________ Send a QuickGreet with MSN Messenger http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/cdp_games From are.myklebust at f1101.aetat.no Fri Nov 7 07:51:06 2003 From: are.myklebust at f1101.aetat.no (Myklebust,Are) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 07:51:06 +0100 Subject: Question on Walt Disney signatures Message-ID: Hi! Examples of Walt Disney's own authentic signature can be found here; www.philsears.com Phil Sears is the foremost expert on Walt Disney's signature! The Company's logo is based on Walt's own signature from the late 1930's /early 1940's. Best, Are Myklebust From fernandopventura at uol.com.br Fri Nov 7 16:27:32 2003 From: fernandopventura at uol.com.br (Fernando Ventura) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:27:32 -0200 Subject: DE 2000-03 Zia Minnina Message-ID: <004101c3a543$ac50e380$3bf8fea9@FERNANDO> In the italian version of DE 2000-03 (Topolino e un tranquillo giorno in spiaggia), Minnie talks about her aunt "Minnina". This character exist or is just "one more name" created only to this story? By the way, I'm sorry to the friends around here that didn't received yet an answer from their e-mails...I'm busy with work, but I'll answer as soon as possible! Fernando! :) From ramapith at mail.dk Fri Nov 7 18:52:41 2003 From: ramapith at mail.dk (ramapith@mail.dk) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 18:52:41 +0100 Subject: DE 2000-03 Zia Minnina Message-ID: <20031107175241.MSST7470.fepY.post.tele.dk@localhost.localdomain> Fernando, Regarding obscure relatives, Minnie's aunt "Mineola" [Italian: Minnina] in D/E 2000-003 is just a name dropped in for convenience. I'm not aware of her being used anywhere else. David From sigvald at duckburg.dk Fri Nov 7 23:23:55 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 0:23:55 +0200 Subject: A rare goof by Barks? Message-ID: <200311072323.hA7NNt2L030219@webmail.dht.dk> Hi all! For the time being I am writing Duckburg's history for the period 1818-1902, for the Danish Donaldist Society. I have thus recently reread WDC 256: "Northeaster on Cape Quack". In the Norwegian translation of this story Donald speaks about "nordvest-stormen i 1897" (= north-western storm) while it in the US-original story is stated that the wind is a "northeaster". As Calisota is located at the western coast of North-America and that the sea thus is located to the west (stated by both Barks and Rosa) - this is just like as with the Norwegian western coast. Here such storms are coming from the west - *not* from the east. I have thus started to wonder if this "north-easter" stuff is a rare goof by Barks. Or is there any other logical explanation? Are there really north-eastern-storms (apparently winds blowing from northern Rocky mountains towards the Pacific ocean) at the North-American western coast? or Is the wind direction described in another way in English than in Norwegian? By Norwegian standards a "northeaster" would blow from north-east towards south-west. Sigvald From olaf at andebyonline.com Sat Nov 8 01:48:39 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 01:48:39 +0100 Subject: A rare goof by Barks? In-Reply-To: <200311072323.hA7NNt2L030219@webmail.dht.dk> References: <200311072323.hA7NNt2L030219@webmail.dht.dk> Message-ID: <1068252519.3fac3d67e500d@imp.webhuset.no> Very interesting question, Sigvald! > As Calisota is located at the western coast of North-America and that the > sea thus is located to the west (stated by both Barks and Rosa) - this is > just like as with the Norwegian western coast. Here such storms are coming > from the west - *not* from the east. I'm no expert, but I don't think you can automatically assume that the wind must come from the same direction in Calisota as in Rogaland. And I seem to remember from geography class that there are different types of winds. > Are there really north-eastern-storms (apparently winds blowing from > northern Rocky mountains towards the Pacific ocean) at the North-American > western coast? Seems so - at least somewhere in that area: http://www.caplex.net/media/webbilder/3600/pic03372.jpg > Is the wind direction described in another way in English than in > Norwegian? According to my until now perfect dictionary: No, it's not. > In the Norwegian translation of this story > Donald speaks about "nordvest-stormen i 1897" (= north-western storm) while > it in the US-original story is stated that the wind is a "northeaster". ...you know, that could be the work of a very good translator. Assuming Barks did NOT make a goof here, this would most likely be a case where the translator thought "there are no northeastern storms in Norway" and changed it to a northwestern one (as everybody knows that Duckburg is in Norway). But, I'm no wind scientist, and I've never been to America, so I'll stop thinking out loud now and leave it to those who have something reasonable to say. Olaf From anders_sivebaek at nns.dk Sat Nov 8 13:52:40 2003 From: anders_sivebaek at nns.dk (Anders Christian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Siveb=E6k?=) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 13:52:40 +0100 Subject: Northeast, northwest? In-Reply-To: <200311081101.hA8B0RIu032076@numerus.ling.uu.se> References: <200311081101.hA8B0RIu032076@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: Hi Sigvald and Olaf are talking about that story about the Cape Quack. Maybe this story is from the period where Barks would situate Duckburg exactly where he saw it fit? That's originally the whole idea of making a state caled Calisota - a mixture of California and Minnesota giving the possibility of many locals and every possible kind of weather - maybe this story has Duckburg situated somewhere where the wind comes from the northeast? Does that storm come from the sea or land in that story? On Monday i'm starting in the final practical period of my education for teacher - (the period that is like an exam - we have to pass it, we get a diploma for it, of some sort ). One of the subjects we are going to teach is Geography, in a 7th grade, with children aged around 13 - the theme for the 5 weeks we educate is weather and climate, so i might actually be able to nfind the answer for this. Hilsen/Yours Anders Christian Siveb?k Donaldist From fernandopventura at uol.com.br Sat Nov 8 15:32:25 2003 From: fernandopventura at uol.com.br (Fernando Ventura) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 12:32:25 -0200 Subject: Mineola, Mineola! Message-ID: <006201c3a605$21015a90$3bf8fea9@FERNANDO> David: Regarding obscure relatives, Minnie's aunt 'Mineola' [Italian: Minnina] in D/E 2000-003 is just a name dropped in for convenience. I'm not aware of her being used anywhere else." Thank you so much, David! By the way, I decided to keep the name "Mineola" in the Brazilian translation I did of that story! It?ll be published in Brazil next year! :) Fernando! From sigvald at duckburg.dk Sat Nov 8 17:20:03 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 18:20:03 +0200 Subject: Misunderstandings around Danish article Message-ID: <200311081720.hA8HK3hD034348@webmail.dht.dk> Hi all! A few days ago I came up with a statement about an article in a Danish give-away newspaper called "MetroXpress". I now see that I should have expressed myself in another and more careful way. It was *not* my intention to hurt anyone's feelings, and I am very sorry it that happened. However the reason I wrote what I wrote is: a) The mentioned article was said to be about "...the duck's history and personality...". Niels Houlberg Hansen didn't say that this article was concentrated about the 1950s and 1960s only, so I assumed that the article told about the development of the duck's look and personality from the very beginning in the 1930s until today ? in that case it would off course have been natural to focus on Don Rosa, William van Horn and Marco Rota as well as the old pioneers and some modern Danish creators. b) During my contact and meeting with Danish Disney comics readers like AC Sivebaek, Thomas P. Lauritsen, Mads Jensen, Soeren Haagerup, Asger Brix Jensen (whom I have not met in person), and others I have got a clear impression that typical Danish readers like and respects Don Rosas stories and also like to read about him. c) Even though I know that Tony Strobl drew "King $crooge I" and possibly some JW-stroies for Barks I see Tony Strobls stories as typical innocent banal stories made for children. Apparently the Italians does think the same as I have never seen any giant book dedicated to Strobls work, while there are many such books with stories by Barks and Gottredson and at least one book with stories by Murry and one book with stories by Taliaferro. Thus I got an impression of a wrong focus in the mentioned article when boring Strobl was mentioned while the leading creators of our own time was not mentioned. Hopefully you will now see that I didn't write my previous statement to be harsh or anything. PS! I do agree 100% with the one who stated that our friend Lars Jensen should have been mentioned in that article as well - as he is also one of the most well known present Danish creators, and like Don Rosa he's active in DCML which shows his respect and interest for the true fans and readers of Disney comics. Sigvald From olaf at andebyonline.com Sat Nov 8 18:03:43 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 18:03:43 +0100 Subject: Misunderstandings around Danish article In-Reply-To: <200311081720.hA8HK3hD034348@webmail.dht.dk> References: <200311081720.hA8HK3hD034348@webmail.dht.dk> Message-ID: <1068311023.3fad21efcc96d@imp.webhuset.no> Quoting "Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr." : > Apparently the Italians does think the same as I > have never seen any giant book dedicated to Strobls work, while there are > many such books with stories by Barks and Gottredson and at least one book > with stories by Murry and one book with stories by Taliaferro. Thus I got > an impression of a wrong focus in the mentioned article when boring Strobl > was mentioned while the leading creators of our own time was not mentioned. Hm, aren't these books meant to be concentrated on _characters_, not _creators_? Also: Sigvald, please be careful with placing opinions in the mouth of an entire nationality. Olaf From vazali at yahoo.com Sat Nov 8 19:11:39 2003 From: vazali at yahoo.com (Katie Sullivan) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 10:11:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: Nor'easters in Duckburg In-Reply-To: <200311081100.hA8B0RIt032076@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <20031108181139.95719.qmail@web41502.mail.yahoo.com> Once upon a time (circa seventh grade) I wanted to be a meterologist, and I still watch the Weather Channel on TV all the time, so I might be qualified to give an answer here. "Nor'easters" are indeed storms that strike the eastern coast of the U.S. They start usually off the coast of the Georgia/South Carolina area, then move up the coast. The term is, logically, never applied to storms on the west coast. There isn't a particular term besides just plain old "gale" or "storm" that applies to storms striking the west U.S. coast. I believe there are also times when Barks refers to "hurricanes" hitting Duckburg (the jumping frog story?) True hurricanes don't hit that part of the continent. Sometimes a tropical storm will make it to southern California from the Pacific, but it's extremely rare. A few times the remnants of a typhoon have crossed the Pacific and slammed the "Calisota" part of the country, but by then they aren't true tropical systems, and have made most or all of the transition to "extratropical." It could be argued that a few generations ago "hurricane" was popularly used to refer to ANY windstorm, regardless of its tropical origin. Nowadays the word is, as far as I know, exclusively used to refer to large circular weather systems originating in the tropics, with winds over 74 mph. ;) I would say these meterologicaly anomalies are an example of Barks writing whatever would make a good story at the time, without worrying about specifics. After all, in "Christmas on Bear Mountain" the ducks bemoan the fact that there's no snow in Duckburg for Christmas, while in just about every other holiday story there is. They also referred to living in Burbank in some early stories, didn't they? Barks wasn't going to let little things like geography and science stand in the way of a good story, was he? ;) Katie Sullivan http://www.sullivanet.com/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From sigvald at duckburg.dk Sat Nov 8 19:23:05 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 20:23:05 +0200 Subject: SV: Nor'easters in Duckburg Message-ID: <200311081923.hA8JN52n034628@webmail.dht.dk> Katie Sullivan wrote: > It could be argued that a few generations > ago "hurricane" was popularly used to refer > to ANY windstorm, regardless of its tropical > origin. Nowadays the word is, as far as I > know, exclusively used to refer to large > circular weather systems originating in > the tropics, with winds over 74 mph. This seems to be wrong. In a Norwegian encyclopaedia I have found a correct definition for "orkan" (=hurricane). It says that hurricane is the strongest wind-strength in Beuforts scale (strength 12 = over 32,6 meters per second). This definition fits well with how the word is used in Norwegian. By the way what is 74 mph. in meters per second? Can anyone here come up with a formula for that? Sigvald From olaf at andebyonline.com Sat Nov 8 20:20:32 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 20:20:32 +0100 Subject: SV: Nor'easters in Duckburg In-Reply-To: <200311081923.hA8JN52n034628@webmail.dht.dk> References: <200311081923.hA8JN52n034628@webmail.dht.dk> Message-ID: <1068319232.3fad42005c48b@imp.webhuset.no> > By the way what is 74 mph. in meters per second? Can anyone here come up > with a formula for that? 74 miles per hour? Well, if my until now perfect dictionary has right in that a mile is 1609 metres, that would be x miles/hour = x * 1609 metres/hour = x * 1609 / 3600 metres/second = 0,447x metres/second. When x = 74, 74 mph = 74 * 0,447 m/s = 33 m/s. Olaf From sigvald at duckburg.dk Sat Nov 8 19:52:48 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 20:52:48 +0200 Subject: SV: Re: Misunderstandings around Danish article Message-ID: <200311081952.hA8JqmB5034688@webmail.dht.dk> Olaf Solstrand wrote: >> Apparently the Italians does think the same, >> as I have never seen any giant book dedicated >> to Strobls work, while there are many such >> books with stories by Barks and Gottredson >> and at least one book with stories by Murry >> and one book with stories by Taliaferro. > > Hm, aren't these books meant to be concentrated > on _characters_, not _creators_? Both. Most of the books I have (18 of them I think) are concentrated both on characters and creators. Examples are: Jeg, Donald Duck (Carl Barks) Jeg, Onkel Skrue (Carl Barks) Jeg, Mikke Mus (Floyd Gottfredson) Jeg, Langbein (Floyd Gottfredson) Donald Duck 365 historier (Al Taliaferro) Vi, Mikke og Langbein (Paul Murry) Etc. > Also: Sigvald, please be careful with placing > opinions in the mouth of an entire nationality. Sure, I am! This time I have *not* stated anything on behalf of "all Danish raders" nor "most Danish readers", not even "many Danish readers". I have only presented a few friends as "typical Danish readers". Sigvald From olaf at andebyonline.com Sat Nov 8 20:28:14 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 20:28:14 +0100 Subject: SV: Re: Misunderstandings around Danish article In-Reply-To: <200311081952.hA8JqmB5034688@webmail.dht.dk> References: <200311081952.hA8JqmB5034688@webmail.dht.dk> Message-ID: <1068319694.3fad43ce46505@imp.webhuset.no> > Sure, I am! This time I have *not* stated anything on behalf of "all Danish > raders" nor "most Danish readers", not even "many Danish readers". I have > only presented a few friends as "typical Danish readers". No, I was thinking of you saying "apparently the Italians does think the same". Olaf From tarj123 at online.no Sat Nov 8 21:21:36 2003 From: tarj123 at online.no (Tarjei) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 21:21:36 +0100 Subject: Comics Popularity Message-ID: <3FAEF359@epostleser.online.no> Hi all! Just a brief note from a lurker regarding something half on-topic which might be of interest: Here's a site which ranks 'OECD:Share of Frequent short-text (particularly comics) readers (15 years old) [2000]' for a range of countries. http://web.hhs.se/personal/Suzuki/o-English/ed12.html Regards Tarjei Kidd Olsen From sigvald at duckburg.dk Sat Nov 8 23:40:47 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 0:40:47 +0200 Subject: SV: Re: SV: Re: Misunderstandings around Danish article Message-ID: <200311082340.hA8NelR7035001@webmail.dht.dk> Olaf Solstrand wrote: > No, I was thinking of you saying "apparently > the Italians does think the same". Well obviously I addressed the Italian publishers - *not* the Italian people. Sigvald From vazali at yahoo.com Sun Nov 9 01:39:29 2003 From: vazali at yahoo.com (Katie Sullivan) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 16:39:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: Nor'easters in Duckburg [getting OT] In-Reply-To: <200311082344.hA8NiCIt029681@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <20031109003929.93682.qmail@web41511.mail.yahoo.com> I wrote: > > It could be argued that a few generations > > ago "hurricane" was popularly used to refer > > to ANY windstorm, regardless of its tropical > > origin. Nowadays the word is, as far as I > > know, exclusively used to refer to large > > circular weather systems originating in > > the tropics, with winds over 74 mph. To which Sigvald replied: > This seems to be wrong. In a Norwegian encyclopaedia I have > found a correct > definition for "orkan" (=hurricane). It says that hurricane is > the strongest > wind-strength in Beuforts scale (strength 12 = over 32,6 > meters per second). > This definition fits well with how the word is used in > Norwegian. There are many ways the word "hurricane" can be used in American English. By far the most common, in my experience, is to refer to those large, circular storms from the tropics. The strongest rating on the Beaufort scale of wind intensity is listed as "hurricane force," yes. So your dictionary is partially right. Thirdly, the word can also simply mean "a strong wind storm." For example, Rose Wilder Lane (I think that's her name, she was the famous Laura Ingalls Wilder's daughter) wrote a book titled "Let the Hurricane Roar," and she was referring to windy storms on the great American prairie. And as someone (Olaf?) said, mph = miles per hour. I don't know what that is in kilometers per hour, and I'm too horrible at math to hazard a guess. ;) That is the scientific definition of a hurricane. This might help... http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/tcfaqHED.html http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/A1.html http://www.fema.gov/kids/hurr.htm (I'm not trying to be insulting by linking to a kids' site. It's really a good site, and the language probably isn't as complicated for a non-native speaker to translate. I'm also biased in their favor because they have some of my artwork on their site. ;) We're getting off-topic but if you're still confused you can e-mail me. Katie Sullivan http://www.sullivanet.com/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From madsj at raptus.dk Sun Nov 9 11:42:47 2003 From: madsj at raptus.dk (Mads Jensen) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 11:42:47 +0100 Subject: Mickey Mouse in Color record Message-ID: <200311091142.AA280822054@raptus.dk> Hi I am really curious to listen to the record that followed the deluxe edition of the Mickey Mouse in Color book, so is it possible that anyone (who owns the book, of course ;-)) could make an mp3 out of the record ? I know it's a vinyl record, but I would be really greatful if anyone could do this! Best wishes, Mads From raptus at stofanet.dk Sun Nov 9 13:41:42 2003 From: raptus at stofanet.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Krarup_Olesen?=) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 13:41:42 +0100 Subject: SV: Re: Misunderstandings around Danish article In-Reply-To: <200311081952.hA8JqmB5034688@webmail.dht.dk> References: <200311081952.hA8JqmB5034688@webmail.dht.dk> Message-ID: <3FAE3606.7020100@stofanet.dk> SIGVALD: > Sure, I am! This time I have *not* stated anything on behalf of "all > Danish raders" nor "most Danish readers", not even "many Danish > readers". I have only presented a few friends as "typical Danish > readers". Hm. But those friends are also core members (and founders) of the only donaldist society in Denmark, so, to use the word "typical" is perhaps not appropriate here. S?ren (not so typical either :-) From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sun Nov 9 14:02:46 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 14:02:46 +0100 Subject: Misunderstandings around Danish article Message-ID: <20031109124712.6D23ABEC7C@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> SIGVALD GROSFJELD, 08-11-2003: > However the reason I wrote what I wrote is: [...] > b) > During my contact and meeting with Danish Disney comics readers like > AC Sivebaek, Thomas P. Lauritsen, Mads Jensen, Soeren Haagerup, > Asger Brix Jensen (whom I have not met in person), and others I have > got a clear impression that typical Danish readers like and respects > Don Rosas stories and also like to read about him. How many times do people need to tell you to stop misusing other people's names when defending your opinion? And how many times do people need to tell you that it's sick to complain just about every article which could have mentioned your favourite artist, but simply didn't? HOW MANY TIMES, SIGVALD??? HELLO! DO YOU READ ME? OVER? Anyway. I think it's better to not mention an artist at all, than to let an artist's name being abused over and over again by an obsessed fan, who's religiously crazy about showing "respect" to that artist. --- Dani?l From miao.orfeo at libero.it Sat Nov 8 17:27:22 2003 From: miao.orfeo at libero.it (Fecchi) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 17:27:22 +0100 Subject: Fecchi's bad style Message-ID: <000601c3a615$30e76160$07bf1897@oemcomputer> Dear Sigvald, I read your criticisms. I promise you that I'll design the panels in more traditional style in future, but please you continue to read my stories.... (Sigh!) Ciao! Massimo Fecchi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20031108/b004037f/attachment.html From jongraywb at hotmail.com Sun Nov 9 17:19:02 2003 From: jongraywb at hotmail.com (Jonathan H. Gray) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 10:19:02 -0600 Subject: Fecchi's bad style Message-ID: >Dear Sigvald, > >I read your criticisms. I promise you that I'll design the panels in more >traditional style in future, but please you continue to read my stories.... > (Sigh!) > >Ciao! > >Massimo Fecchi i thought your panel layers were just fine and very original Mr. Fecchi. Sometimes IMO its nice to have something different and new from the norm. :) Jonathan H. Gray _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger with backgrounds, emoticons and more. http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/cdp_customize From kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net Sun Nov 9 17:31:54 2003 From: kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 11:31:54 -0500 Subject: Best DuckTales Episodes! Message-ID: <000301c3a6df$00dce420$4d24d044@youroxg2elbf6o> On Thursday, Maciek wrote: >If you ask me the best episode was "Send in the Clones" and "Till Nephews Do Us Part." I can't let a potential DuckTales discussion just drift away! My favorite episodes are the Donald ones! I LOVE "Sphinx for the Memories"! It still really creeps me out! Donald's being possessed really pushes the envelope, and I love it! All three of the five-parters are very dear to me as well. While I am mostly unhappy with the later episodes, I love the Gizmoduck and Bubba origins. While I love the Bubba serial, I am still amused by how lame the general idea of Bubba is. There is some degree of ludicrousness that I can accept and love in the duck world, but whoa!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Scrooge's adopting a little cave duck is a bit much. "Send in the Clones" is a good one (it was the first one I watched, and it hooked me). I honestly don't care much for "Till Nephews Do Us Part," though. I guess I just don't buy Scrooge in it. I love The Parent Trap homage, though! The ASAP running gag is good too! Incidentally, on Saturday morning I popped a six hour tape full of episodes in the VCR. My little boy and I watched for a couple of hours, and we had a ball! "Duckman of Aquatraz" really struck me. Scrooge's character seems really off (he's such a nice guy), but I love the character of Mad Dog McGurk! I did feel myself affected somewhat by the sentiment. Additionally, we watched a few of the Barks adaptations including "Robot Robbers" and "The Lost Crown of Genghis Khan." While I like both episodes, I am amazed that NOTHING of Barks remains! Matt (Who is always glad to ramble on about the seminal event of his childhood) From kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net Sun Nov 9 17:49:02 2003 From: kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 11:49:02 -0500 Subject: Fecchi's bad style Message-ID: <000301c3a6e1$654f63e0$4d24d044@youroxg2elbf6o> Jonathan H. Gray wrote: >i thought your panel layers were just fine and very original Mr. Fecchi. >Sometimes IMO its nice to have something different and new from the norm. :) Ditto from me! I haven't seen much of your work, Mr. Fecchi, but I love your art and panel layouts in "The Deep" and "Time of Reckoning." I like a variety of styles in my comics! I think the panel layouts suit the fast pacing of the stories well. I felt really drawn in. The third page of "Time of Reckoning" is genius! I found myself staring at it quite a while. At any rate, don't change your style because of one bit of criticism. Matt From sigvald at duckburg.dk Sun Nov 9 18:05:20 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 19:05:20 +0200 Subject: Fecchi's style Message-ID: <200311091805.hA9I5K9v036593@webmail.dht.dk> Hi all! First I can tell Mr. Fecchi that I off course will continue to read his and other creators stories in the DD Pocket books as long as most of the stories presented there are done in a more traditional style. Secondly I think it's important to notice that it's Americans (Matthew Williams and Jonathan H. Gray) who so far has supported the "untraditional style" here on DCML in this round. My guess is that it is because that's an American style well known from Marwells super hero stories, and from 1999 to 2003 (in the non-Disney period in the USA) such Marwell stuff was probably the comics most commonly read by our two mentioned friends. Thus I am not sure if their view are representative for the whole of DCML. Third - copying Marwells style may be original in the world od Disney comics, but it is not what I will call specially experimenting or inventive. Sigvald From sigvald at duckburg.dk Sun Nov 9 18:20:38 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 19:20:38 +0200 Subject: SV: Re: Misunderstandings around Danish article Message-ID: <200311091820.hA9IKcuj036623@webmail.dht.dk> Daniel van Eijmeren wrote: > HOW MANY TIMES, SIGVALD??? HELLO! > DO YOU READ ME? OVER? Please calm down Daniel! This negative and IMO unnecessary focus on my person is not what DCML needs at this point. The situation has been quite calm at DCML for several months now, please help keeping it that way. I am very sorry if I did mention my Danish friends in a way that should have been avoided on DCML. It was not my intention to misuse their names in any way. Sigvald From olaf at andebyonline.com Sun Nov 9 19:06:55 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 19:06:55 +0100 Subject: Fecchi's style In-Reply-To: <200311091805.hA9I5K9v036593@webmail.dht.dk> References: <200311091805.hA9I5K9v036593@webmail.dht.dk> Message-ID: <1068401215.3fae823fe500b@imp.webhuset.no> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! Sigvald wrote: > Secondly I think it's important to notice that it's Americans (Matthew > Williams and Jonathan H. Gray) who so far has supported the "untraditional > style" here on DCML in this round. My guess is that it is because that's an > American style well known from Marwells super hero stories, and from 1999 > to 2003 (in the non-Disney period in the USA) such Marwell stuff was > probably the comics most commonly read by our two mentioned friends. Thus I > am not sure if their view are representative for the whole of DCML. I think it's important to notice that it's a Norwegian (Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr.) who so far has supported the "traditional style" here on DCML in this round. My guess is that it is because this is a style he does not know from Dinsei's duck stories, and from 1990 to 2003 (in the Don Rosa period in Norway) such Dinsei stuff was probably the comics most commonly read by our mentioned friend. Thus I am not sure if his view is representative for the whole of DCML. Sigvald, haven't you noticed that both Brazilians and Norwegians have written that they LOVE this style? http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-October/025375.html http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-October/025376.html Why do you have to always assume that every sane person in the world agree with you in everything, and if they don't, that's because they've got some bad influence? It is NORMAL to have different taste. It is NORMAL to accept that others have different taste than you. And it is NORMAL to accept that not all comic books are made for you and you alone. It is NOT normal to always think that everybody agrees with you, like you do in this case. Sigvald, YOU'RE the _only_ person who's said anything bad about this style so far. Until now, four or five people have said their opinion against yours. And you just say that "these people are Americans, thus they've read Marvel, thus they've had bad influence, thus their opinions aren't important, this everybody agree with me". It's not like that! I normally prefer saying things only once, but it's obvious that someone didn't hear me last time I said it (although he answered me), so: Dear Sigvald, dear Massimo, I'm a Norwegian, and I'm proud to say that I _LIKE_ Fecchi's panel design! I even like it _BETTER_ than the traditional style! But my view may not be that important, as I read as much as *TWO* of Marvel's superhero stories in my life. Olaf From raptus at stofanet.dk Sun Nov 9 19:46:30 2003 From: raptus at stofanet.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Krarup_Olesen?=) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 19:46:30 +0100 Subject: Fecchi's style In-Reply-To: <200311091805.hA9I5K9v036593@webmail.dht.dk> References: <200311091805.hA9I5K9v036593@webmail.dht.dk> Message-ID: <3FAE8B86.9040305@stofanet.dk> SIGVALD: > Third - copying Marwells style may be original in the world od Disney > comics, but it is not what I will call specially experimenting or > inventive. Well, copying Barks' universe, like your favourite artist and writer does is not experimenting nor inventive either, is it? I really enjoy the fact that Massimo Fecchi has joined us here on this mailing list. Do I sense some "lack of respect" (bleah!) for this gentleman? Sigvald, I really like you as a person (especially after we met) but your appreciation of one single artist seems to "overshadow" your sense of general judging. I know (by now), that you will ignore this mail, just like you ignored the several others. Perhaps, you'll take a little pause, and then return with the usual read-an-article-without-Don-being-mentioned stuff. Grow up, Sigvald! Or don't grow up, but let that be in the Peter Pan sense then :-) S?ren From sigvald at duckburg.dk Sun Nov 9 19:58:50 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 20:58:50 +0200 Subject: Fecchi's style Message-ID: <200311091958.hA9Jwo2u036866@webmail.dht.dk> Olaf Solstrand wrote: > Sigvald, haven't you noticed that both > Brazilians and Norwegians have written > that they LOVE this style? Yes, but that was during the last round of this discussion - before Mr. Fecchi commented this topic himself. > Why do you have to always assume that every > sane person in the world agree with you in > everything, and if they don't, that's because > they've got some bad influence? You seem to have got me wrong. I am sorry if I have expressed myself in a way that can be interpreted that way. I assume nothing more than I am not completely alone with my opinions in this matter. > It is NORMAL to have different taste. It is > NORMAL to accept that others have different > taste than you. And it is NORMAL to accept > that not all comic books are made for you and > you alone. Yes, off course. So far I agree 100% with you. > It is NOT normal to always think that everybody > agrees with you, like you do in this case. > Sigvald. I have never believed that everyone agrees with me in this question, but hopefully some people do. > ...you just say that "these people are > Americans, thus they've read Marvel, thus > they've had bad influence... Nope, I have never used the term "bad influence". And I don't mean that either. It's more correct to say that they are influenced by non-Disney comics. Disney and Marvel are *not* the same - I guess everybody here can agree about that - so why should Disney comics then look like Marvel comics? Sigvald From sigvald at duckburg.dk Sun Nov 9 20:25:31 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 21:25:31 +0200 Subject: SV: Re: Fecchi's style Message-ID: <200311092025.hA9KPVQS036919@webmail.dht.dk> S?ren Krarup Olesen wrote: > I really enjoy the fact that Massimo Fecchi > has joined us here on this mailing list. Me too! I read a lot of Italian Disney comics and would love to learn more about that from DCML. After all it was just the style in one single story I did comment, not the person himself, nor his entire production. Sigvald From sigvald at duckburg.dk Sun Nov 9 20:27:46 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 21:27:46 +0200 Subject: About correctness in DCML Message-ID: <200311092027.hA9KRk3K036928@webmail.dht.dk> Hi all! Right now mr. Fecchi's panel-style is a frequent debated topic here on DCML. The responses to my late comments about that topic seems to indicate an underlying problem on DCML ? the "rule of correctness". This unwritten rule says that it's OK to be positive to a matter like mr. Fecchi's panel-style, while it's not really OK to be critical or negative to the same. Think about it - still 99% or so off all Disney stories are drawn in the "traditional style". Why is it so if I am the only one in DCML who actually prefer Disney comics drawn that way? IMO the only way to understand this is that other DCMLers who tends to agree with me in this concrete matter for some reason decides to remain quit ? could that be because criticism of this kind is not seen as correct behaviour in DCML? Sigvald From olaf at andebyonline.com Sun Nov 9 21:29:23 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 21:29:23 +0100 Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: <200311091958.hA9Jwo2u036866@webmail.dht.dk> References: <200311091958.hA9Jwo2u036866@webmail.dht.dk> Message-ID: <1068409763.3faea3a377243@imp.webhuset.no> > > Sigvald, haven't you noticed that both > > Brazilians and Norwegians have written > > that they LOVE this style? > > Yes, but that was during the last round of this discussion - before Mr. > Fecchi commented this topic himself. Why would we change our minds about that because Fecchi commented the topic? > Nope, I have never used the term "bad influence". And I don't mean that > either. It's more correct to say that they are influenced by non-Disney > comics. Disney and Marvel are *not* the same - I guess everybody here can > agree about that - so why should Disney comics then look like Marvel > comics? Uhm, what? We're not talking about characters, we're not talking about genre, we're not talking about number of pages, we're not talking about level of violence... we're talking about the way the panels are set up on the page. As far as I know, Marvel hasn't copyrighted it. It's one way to arrange comic panels on the page. Personally, I have never thought of the way the panels are placed as something very Disney, and I've never thought of it as very important - so I don't understand why it's such a big deal. Still, I love creativity, and for such an adventurous genre as this story, I think Fecchi did the right thing. Olaf From spe at inducks.org Sun Nov 9 22:19:27 2003 From: spe at inducks.org (Stefan Persson) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 22:19:27 +0100 Subject: Fecchi's bad style In-Reply-To: <000601c3a615$30e76160$07bf1897@oemcomputer> References: <000601c3a615$30e76160$07bf1897@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3FAEAF5F.8040802@inducks.org> Fecchi wrote: > I read your criticisms. I promise you that I'll design the panels in > more traditional style in future, but please you continue to read my > stories.... (Sigh!) I don't see any problem with different panels design. The design in your stories is IMHO generally good, so I don't think that you need to change anything. As you might have noticed, Sigvald Gr?sfjeld often seems to want to win the prize for the most silly mail of every month (see http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-November/025675.html for more information), so you should not care very much about the contents of most of his mails. Stefan From longtom at oeste.com.ar Sun Nov 9 22:37:27 2003 From: longtom at oeste.com.ar (Fabio Blanco) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 18:37:27 -0300 Subject: About correctness in DCML References: <200311092027.hA9KRk3K036928@webmail.dht.dk> Message-ID: <004001c3a709$b25a1c20$637f37c8@fabio> I don't care about panel styles, I care about drawing styles. I think italian style is maybe fine for any comic, but for my taste, not for Barks charachters... Maybe Massimo Fecchi is great making duck comics, i don't know ( I would thanks some link to his work). I enjoyed some Fix und Foxi adventures... Now, why these discussions are always so crazy? Take it easy, read a comic, man! FABIO bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar http://virusmental.blogspot.com > Hi all! > > Right now mr. Fecchi's panel-style is a frequent debated topic here on DCML. > The responses to my late comments about that topic seems to indicate an > underlying problem on DCML - the "rule of correctness". This unwritten rule > says that it's OK to be positive to a matter like mr. Fecchi's panel-style, > while it's not really OK to be critical or negative to the same. > > Think about it - still 99% or so off all Disney stories are drawn in the > "traditional style". Why is it so if I am the only one in DCML who actually > prefer Disney comics drawn that way? IMO the only way to understand this is > that other DCMLers who tends to agree with me in this concrete matter for > some reason decides to remain quit - could that be because criticism of this > kind is not seen as correct behaviour in DCML? > > Sigvald > _______________________________________________ > http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml > From lpj at forfatter.dk Sun Nov 9 23:54:39 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 23:54:39 +0100 Subject: Misunderstandings around Danish article (OT) Message-ID: <005101c3a715$ab06b080$1d779dd9@idb3156> Daniël van Eijmeren wrote to Sigvald: > how many times do people need to tell you that it's sick "Sick"? You just went way over the line here, Daniël -- especially combined with the other content of your posting. I hope you can find it in yourself to apologize to Sigvald. He doesn't deserve this kind of abuse. Lars From marcobar at ds.unifi.it Mon Nov 10 00:30:15 2003 From: marcobar at ds.unifi.it (Marco Barlotti) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 00:30:15 +0100 Subject: looking for a scan of the cover of "Donald & Daisy" #25 In-Reply-To: <200311011100.hA1B0GIu005555@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031110001839.01ddde18@mail.unifi.it> I am trying to make an index of all the covers the Inducks credits to Barks, illustrated with a small scan of each of them and listing the Italian reprints or adaptations. Thanks to Eta Beta's beautiful webpages http://www.eega.net/covers/cv_usa.html I am missing only ONE scan, and I am wondering whether any kind soul on this mailing list has a copy of issue 25 of "Donald & Daisy". Its cover is not even really drawn by Barks, says the Inducks, but rather by Kay Wright; the general idea for that cover, however is credited to Barks, so for completeness' sake I'd like to include it. Should such a kind soul exist, could he please send that scan to marco.barlotti at dmd.unifi.it ? Thank you! Marco http://www.cce.unifi.it/~marcobar/Comics From gjn at netcom.no Mon Nov 10 00:57:30 2003 From: gjn at netcom.no (Geir J. Netland) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 00:57:30 +0100 Subject: About correctness in DCML In-Reply-To: <200311092027.hA9KRk3K036928@webmail.dht.dk> Message-ID: <000001c3a71d$3fcc7540$3ad4fea9@stubel> Sigvald: > Think about it - still 99% or so off all Disney stories are > drawn in the "traditional style". Why is it so if I am the > only one in DCML who actually prefer Disney comics drawn that > way? IMO the only way to understand this is that other > DCMLers who tends to agree with me in this concrete matter > for some reason decides to remain quit Perhaps because those other persons don't feel the need to tell "the whole" world what they *don't* like? I don't understand why it is so important for you to state what you *don't* like? My friendly advice: If you don't like the way some artists draw, well, then *don't* read their stories! And if you don't agree with a certain artist's Duck-universe, then forget that you ever read his story! It works for me, and now the "whole world" knows....... Finally, I nominate Dani?l's lates mail "the most way over the line" mail this month. It's terrible to read such an attack here on DCML:( Geir J. Netland From kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net Mon Nov 10 03:00:15 2003 From: kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 21:00:15 -0500 Subject: Sigvald Awakes a "Sleeping Giant" (Ha! Ha!): Silly American Responds Message-ID: <000301c3a72e$683788b0$8f24d044@youroxg2elbf6o> Sigvald, You know, previously I had been feeling a little sorry for you on the account of the hard time people on the list have been giving you lately. I don't feel quite as sympathetic after your latest round of comments. Whether you meant to offend or not, I feel at least a little hurt. Why is it "important" to note that Mr. Gray and I are Americans? I don't assume that you and all of your fellow countrymen are cut from the same cloth. One thing I like best about this list is the international diversity here. I think this list could quickly become uncomfortable and unpleasant, though, if we start attributing each other's tastes and opinions to our limited perceptions of what people from other countries are like. Because I am American and not "representative for the whole of DCML," are my opinions to be dismissed? At any rate, I am somewhat familiar with other cartoonists and styles, but I am most familiar with the separated panel style Disney uses. I'm not sure that we can attribute this style to Disney, though. All of the funny animal comics I read as a child followed this style. Is the overlapping style something that started with Marvel? I've recently been checking out other comic styles, and I know Marvel was using borders between its panels in the sixties. The first twenty issues of Spiderman don't use this overlapping style, anyway. I digress from the main point that I want to make, though. I've read some Marvel comics and found them quite good. Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko have my total respect. I LOVE the work of Charles Schultz and think that he is one of the greatest cartoonists who has ever lived. I recently read "The Dark Knight Returns," and I liked it. A friend of mine recently introduced me to Jason Lutes's BERLIN. I thought quite highly of it. But despite all of this, you know what? I still like Carl Barks and the Disney comics I've grown up with best. I'll swear my oath of allegiance to Uncle Scrooge! Just because I also admire non-Disney, NON-ROSA, work doesn't diminish my Disney fandom one bit. Frankly, as much as I love Disney comics, though, I think folks familiar with only one style are a little poorer. Furthermore, you say, "copying Marwells (sic) style may be original in the world od Disney comics, but it is not what I will call specially experimenting or inventive." I disagree with that statement, and I think you do too. First of all, if Fecchi wasn't doing something out of the ordinary, you wouldn't have bothered to take note of it. Second of all, the thing that makes Fecchi's work so exciting to me is that it changes the storytelling. Pace and flow are greatly affected by the style. Just the way my eyes move on the page is dramatically changed.While the Walt Disney Company Comics era did seem somewhat focused on changing Disney comics into something else, I think that threat is long since past. As long as people like Rosa, the Blocks, and the Van Horns are still creating excellent (ORIGINAL) work in the traditional style, I don't think we can assume an overlapping panel style is going to become the norm. In response to your latest e-mail about "correctness," I see where you're coming from to some extent. I joined this list to actually discuss Disney comics (and possibly even criticize from time to time). Still, the way you have chosen your comments in reference to Mr. Fecchi is rude and just plain not very nice. Even if his style was "bad," he'd win my support by just trying something that wasn't common in Disney comics. Consider: if you were critiquing a friend's work would you use the same phrasing and approach? It 's okay not to like Mr. Fecchi's work, but to INSULT someone else's work is mean. I apologize for the long, rambling e-mail, but I would appreciate a little more respectful treatment in the future. Matt From vazali at yahoo.com Mon Nov 10 03:32:10 2003 From: vazali at yahoo.com (Katie Sullivan) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 18:32:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: DuckTales opinions In-Reply-To: <200311092002.hA9K29It016944@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <20031110023210.90264.qmail@web41502.mail.yahoo.com> Matthew wrote: > I can't let a potential DuckTales discussion just drift away! > My favorite > episodes are the Donald ones! I LOVE "Sphinx for the > Memories"! It still > really creeps me out! Donald's being possessed really pushes > the envelope, > and I love it! That episode always creeped me out when I was little, too! Especially the floaty spirit thingies at the end. *shiver* ;) > While I love the Bubba serial, I am still amused by > how lame the > general idea of Bubba is. There is some degree of > ludicrousness that I can > accept and love in the duck world, but whoa!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Scrooge's adopting > a little cave duck is a bit much. LOL! I wholeheartedly agree. The multi-part origin intro was a fun romp, but they should have sent home to his own time at the end and let it be. > "Send in the Clones" is a good one (it was the first one I > watched, and it > hooked me). It was the first one I saw, too. It's a good one, although since it was my first experience with the DuckTales universe, I was jarred by the Beagles' individuality, Magica's distinctly non-Italian accent, and Mrs. Beakly's presence. ;) > I honestly don't care much for "Till Nephews Do > Us Part," > though. I guess I just don't buy Scrooge in it. You mean you don't think Scrooge can be giddy, head-over-heels in love? ;) (Not that disagree. As Goldie will be the first to attest, he's the hard-to-get type.) ;) > Additionally, we watched a few of the Barks adaptations > including "Robot > Robbers" and "The Lost Crown of Genghis Khan." While I like > both episodes, > I am amazed that NOTHING of Barks remains! Not to mention their version of "Land Beneath the Ground." It was fun, but Barks did it SOOOO much better. That super-cute little boy Terry (or Fermy?) was just too much "cute-ification" for me. Katie Sullivan http://www.sullivanet.com/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From vazali at yahoo.com Mon Nov 10 03:48:01 2003 From: vazali at yahoo.com (Katie Sullivan) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 18:48:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: Other theories... In-Reply-To: <200311100233.hAA2XmIt002079@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <20031110024801.73899.qmail@web41503.mail.yahoo.com> Sigvald wrote: >Think about it - still 99% or so off all Disney stories are >drawn in the >"traditional style". Why is it so if I am the only one in DCML >who actually >prefer Disney comics drawn that way? I haven't seen the Fecchi story you're discussing, so I can't comment one way or another. It sounds interesting, though. Variety is a good thing. Some of the open, overlapping and oddly-arranged panels I've seen in manga are quite effective. But my point is that I don't necessarily agree or disagree with you, I'm just not bothering to jump into a discussion that I'm not qualified to comment on. Also, a friendly reminder...comics are art. Art is subjective. That which you personally dislike is not automatically "bad." I personally can't stand to look at most superhero comics, but they have millions of devotees, so obviously there must be something redeeming about them. Katie Sullivan http://www.sullivanet.com/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From lgiver at pacbell.net Mon Nov 10 05:10:17 2003 From: lgiver at pacbell.net (Larry Giver) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 20:10:17 -0800 Subject: Age of Rumpus McFowl Message-ID: <6.0.0.14.1.20031109191851.01cb87a8@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> The latest Gemstone US #323 has William Van Horn's Scrooge story, "Travails", which presents more details about his new character, Rumpus McFowl. Here in the USA, he was in the last Gladstone issue, where he was promoted in rank from a cousin of Scrooge to his half-brother. In this "Travails" story, Van Horn states that Rumpus' mother was briefly married to Fergus McDuck (page 3, panels 5-7). It seems the marriage had a bitter ending, as his mother never wanted him to know his father was Fergus McDuck. Can Fergus fit into the McDuck family tree? In Rosa's Life & Times of $crooge McDuck, $crooge's mother died in episode 8, in 1897, when he was 30 years old, and his father Fergus at the end of episode 9, 5 years later, in 1902. I can accept that a "brief marriage" of Fergus to Rumpus' mother occurred about 1898, and lasted no more than 2 years. Probably Scrooge's sisters were quite upset about this marriage, and never wrote about it to Scrooge, and after the bitter divorce, Fergus didn't want to tell Scrooge either. So I believe that Rumpus is much younger than Scrooge, about 32 years younger. Scrooge is 85 in 1952, making Fergus about 53 at that time. Alternatively, if the "brief marriage" was a few years before Fergus and Downy's marriage, Rumpus would be about 90. I perceive Rumpus as a unsuccessful younger brother trying to sponge off his successful older brother. Is this how most readers see this? How many stories with Rumpus has Van Horn written by now, many more than we've seen in the USA so far? From kyrimis at cti.gr Mon Nov 10 08:32:41 2003 From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:32:41 +0200 Subject: Nor'easters in Duckburg In-Reply-To: <20031108181139.95719.qmail@web41502.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031108181139.95719.qmail@web41502.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3FAF3F19.1040202@cti.gr> KATIE: > Barks wasn't going to let little > things like geography and science stand in the way of a good > story, was he? ;) Which shows how little respect he had for Carl B... um... well... oops! I don't suppose that a sou'wester, apart from a raincoat, could also be some kind of local wind where Barks lived, and that Barks made up nor'easter as a funny opposite, unaware that there actually is such a wind in the northeast. (According to http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/sou'wester one of the meanings of sou'wester is "a strong wind from the southwest", so this just might be possible!) And a note to Sigvald: I wouldn't go around calling every little *possible* mistake that someone makes a "goof", i.e., a stupid mistake. Plain "mistake" is adequate enough. One might argue that the only "goof" that Barks made was referring to the "government of Crete" in the philosopher's stone story, and even there he just might be portraying his American characters' ignorance of geography, a trait that is all too common with Americans, but rather unexpected of someone like Barks, with his well-thumbed collection of National Geographic. Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr) ----- "Never play with asteroids--they're what Murphy's law's all about!" ----- From bi442 at lafn.org Mon Nov 10 08:41:54 2003 From: bi442 at lafn.org (Rob Klein) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 07:41:54 GMT Subject: No subject Message-ID: <200311100741.hAA7fsTf017209@zoot.lafn.org> Regarding the "Noreaster on Cape Quack". Yes, strong winds can come from the northeast into Washington State, Oregon and Northern California in winter. These winds are akin to the "Chinook" winds in The Canadian Rocky Mountains. They are cold, usually dry winds that occur when a large high pressure cell sits east of The Alberta Rocky Mountains. These winds could drop snow flurries and light snow. They wouldn't likely bring wet, heavy storms, or heavy snowfalls. Cape Quack sticks out into the ocean, separated from Duckburg by Duckburg Bay. Therefore, as the windstorm circulates from the east to the southeast, it could cross Duckburg Bay, and continue northward completing the circle, and striking the centre of Duckburg from the sea. Both Northern Hemisphere cyclonic and anti-cyclonic weather (wind) patterns spin in circular motions in a track from the northwest and northeast, continuing in their general directions, but circling as they go. So, Barks WDC 256 story scenario IS possible to occur on the US Northwest coast, OR on the US Northeast coast. I really think he had the NORTHEAST coast in this case, noting the term "Noreaster", which is mainly used in New England. After all, Scrooge's airplane flew directly east from Duckburg, out over The Atlantic Ocean, without crossing any land in US 6 (Atlantis story). Carl Barks told me many times that he had no specific location for Duckburg. He placed it where he needed it in any particular story. He placed locations within Duckburg and its vicinity in different places and directions. He had made no map for reference for consistency. He knew the stories stood on their own. He DIDN'T have any idea that fans read his stories for more than a few years. He had NEVER seen a child purchase one of his comic books. A story about a "Noreaster" is in Maine, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Nova Scotia or New Brunswick. But, if you MUST have consistency, you could believe that the "Noreaster", on its southeastern circulation, crossed east of Duckburg out into the Pacific Ocean, and then in its northwestern portion of the cycle, crossed Duckburg Bay and hit Duckburg from the southwest. Rob Klein --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using the LA Free-Net - LA's best kept secret. http://www.lafn.org/ From lpj at forfatter.dk Mon Nov 10 11:53:44 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:53:44 +0100 Subject: Misunderstandings around Danish article Message-ID: <006901c3a77a$eee2de40$c7749dd9@idb3156> Sigvald Grøsfjeld jr. wrote: > typical Danish readers like and respects Don Rosas stories and also > like to read about him. Not necessarily *continuously*, though. :-) (Note the smiley.) > I see Tony Strobls stories as typical innocent banal stories made for > children. Even if they were, I don't think Strobl should be blamed -- he only *drew* most of those stories. (He didn't write them until the 1980s.) And besides, Disney comics of the kind we see in the weekly in my opinion *should* be made for children. If the stories also appeal to adults, that's just a bonus. > I have never seen any giant book dedicated to Strobls work No, but he *does* actually make a few appearances in some of these Big White Books. > I do agree 100% with the one who stated that our friend Lars Jensen > should have been mentioned in that article as well - as he is also one > of the most well known present Danish creators, and like Don Rosa he's > active in DCML which shows his respect and interest for the true fans > and readers of Disney comics. I think the one who mentioned that name was Lars Jensen himself. And he only mentioned it to demonstrate how it would have been impossible to mention every Disney creator ever born in that article. The reporter had to make a choice on which names to use, and he/she did. And, to be honest, I don't think I'm "one of the most well-known present Danish creators". That would probably be Gorm Transgaard or Flemming Andersen. Or perhaps Per Hedman or Bancells -- although they technically aren't Danish, I suppose. But thanks for the vote, though. Oh, and by the way: I know of several "true fans" of the weekly who have read it for many many years --and yet are not members of the DCML and probably have no intentions of becoming so. It's possible to be a fan and still stand on the outside, looking in. Lars From ggk at wp.pl Mon Nov 10 12:07:07 2003 From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:07:07 +0100 Subject: Best DuckTales Episodes! References: <000301c3a6df$00dce420$4d24d044@youroxg2elbf6o> Message-ID: <003601c3a77b$0dc49970$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8> > I can't let a potential DuckTales discussion just drift away! My favorite > episodes are the Donald ones! I LOVE "Sphinx for the Memories"! It still > really creeps me out! Donald's being possessed really pushes the envelope, > and I love it! I like dis episode. But I think the best Donald episode was "Spies in theyr eyes" > All three of the five-parters are very dear to me as well. While I am > mostly unhappy with the later episodes, I love the Gizmoduck and Bubba > origins. I like five-part Gizmoduck orgin story, but I don't like last part "Money to burn". And I like Beagle Boy's smart brother Bookworm/Megabait. To bad he didn't aperd leter. > "Send in the Clones" is a good one (it was the first one I watched, and it > hooked me). I love dis episode. Action is moving very fast and gag and plot are super. Is dis firt episode with Magica de Spell? > I honestly don't care much for "Till Nephews Do Us Part," > though. I guess I just don't buy Scrooge in it. I love The Parent Trap > homage, though! The ASAP running gag is good too! I like dis episode. The best part is Scrooge weding with nerlly evry charecter from the first sesson. I even spot Magica De Spell and her raiven Poe. A nother good episode is "A Drain in the economic". The part wen all Beagle Boy's atack the Money Bin was cool. And the best thing was theat they all (exept for five of theam) was look disame like thouse Barks made. And I one more Episode I like to mention is "Dime are enouth for Luck". I like it bicous my three favorit charecter are in it : Scrooge, Gladstone and Magica. The gag wen Magica take the Dime and sey's : "One Dime to rule theam all, wan Dime to finde theam" is super ;-) But ther is one thing I don't like in dis episode : First Scrooge tell's Gladstone theat his Dime is not Lucky, Luck don't have nothing to do with his fortune and it was sweet and cher's is wat makes it. But wen Magica stell his dime (and Scrooge didn't even notis theat) he startet to lusing money and wen hi get the Dime back hi started geting richer agian. I just don't like it. Yours Maciek From ggk at wp.pl Mon Nov 10 12:21:16 2003 From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:21:16 +0100 Subject: DuckTales opinions References: <20031110023210.90264.qmail@web41502.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005a01c3a77c$c2398a40$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8> > LOL! I wholeheartedly agree. The multi-part origin intro was a > fun romp, but they should have sent home to his own time at the > end and let it be. I think sow to. > Not to mention their version of "Land Beneath the Ground." It > was fun, but Barks did it SOOOO much better. That super-cute > little boy Terry (or Fermy?) was just too much "cute-ification" > for me. I like dis episode. To bad I didn't know Barks story sow I coud mach team. But obaut maching : I love Duck Tales version of "Back to the Klondaik". Ofcours Carl Bark version is much better but in Duck Tales there is shown much more love betwen Scrooge and Goldie. Maby bicous Scrooge sems to fell in love with Goldie sence he saw her for the first time. Why in Barks version he simes to hate here in the flash back. Your's Maciek From olaf at andebyonline.com Mon Nov 10 12:27:10 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:27:10 +0100 Subject: Age of Rumpus McFowl In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.14.1.20031109191851.01cb87a8@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> References: <6.0.0.14.1.20031109191851.01cb87a8@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1068463630.3faf760e5eba2@imp.webhuset.no> Good to see this discussion on DCML, Larry. I've been discussing this everywhere for several years - as it's quite a long time since this story came in Norway. I also think we've already briefly discussed this at the DCML? Well, I'll always love this discussion. My personal opinion is that Rumpus is younger than Scrooge - but I think it will be hard to fit him into the family tree shown in Life of Scrooge. Once when discussing this in a Norwegian discussion board, someone suggested that Fergus and Downy'd had a short divorce, where Rumpus were born. This divorce was suggested to find place short time after Matilda were born - but then, Fergus and Downy got back together again. That theory would make Rumpus a little older than Hortense. I think that's a complex solution. Seems more likely to me that Rumpus' mother just made up this marriage to don't have to tell Rumpus he was an illegimate child. :-) But then again... That would mean Fergus cheated on Downy. I don't like that either. And if Rumpus is born 20-30 years after Scrooge... Well, I don't see that fitting into the Life of Scrooge either. After all... Rumpus' mother talks in a very negative way about Scrooge, an annoying little rascal or something. I don't think she would have talked of him like that if he was digging for gold on the other side of the sea. So I must say, I think it's hard to fit this into the Life of Scrooge. My guess is that Rumpus was already developing in Van Horn's hear before Life of Scrooge was written. I haven't got last US yet, but I can't wait to finally see this story in English. As for how many Rumpus stories... Unless I'm missing something, there's three more stories not yet published in the States. These are "Ain't it the truth" (D 2000-045), "A Dime for your thoughts" (D 2000-145) and "Full circle" (D 2001-056). What these stories have in common is that there's nothing special about Rumpus - he's just the average side character. These are not stories about Scrooge's and Rumpus' relationship - they're stories about just anything. "Ain't it the truth" is the story of when Donald, Daisy, Gladstone, Donald's nephews and Rumpus go to a picnic - and after a near accident, they all have different views on what really happens. "Full circle" can be compared to Don Rosa's "The coin", where a golden egg in an egg box passes from person to person in Duckburg - Rumpus being one of them. "Full circle" is an encounter between Rumpus and Magica De Spell, where Scrooge needs to have the Number One Dime cleaned and has Rumpus go to the jeweler - because he thinks nobody will expect Rumpus carrying something valuable. Olaf From kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net Mon Nov 10 13:56:23 2003 From: kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 07:56:23 -0500 Subject: Best DuckTales Episodes! Message-ID: <000301c3a78a$192fe300$5f24d044@youroxg2elbf6o> Maciek wrote: >> "Send in the Clones" is a good one (it was the first one I watched, and it >> hooked me). >I love dis episode. Action is moving very fast and gag and plot are super. >Is dis firt episode with Magica de Spell? I don't know if this is the first one they made with Magica DeSpell, but I'm pretty positive that it is the first one they showed on American TV with Magica. >> I honestly don't care much for "Till Nephews Do Us Part," > >though. I guess I just don't buy Scrooge in it. I love The Parent Trap > >homage, though! The ASAP running gag is good too! >I like dis episode. The best part is Scrooge weding with nerlly evry >charecter from the first sesson. I even spot Magica De Spell and her >raiven Poe. Even though the episode isn't one of my favorites I do love how every single DuckTales character is at Scrooge's wedding--even really obscure characters who are only in one episode! I think that shows a lot of love and care on someone's part. I love that Donald is Scrooge's best man, a bad decision on Scrooge's part perhaps, but definitely the natural decision! Oh and Katie! I LIKE Scrooge in love, but I guess I like miserable, unrequited love best (LOL)! I'm really bothered by how easily Millionaira pulls the wool over Scrooge's eyes. The puns they exchange are great, though. Don't they talk about moving into a tax shelter? Maciek: I share your mixed feelings about "Dime Enough for Luck"! I love seeing Gladstone, Scrooge, and Magica interacting together, but I am troubled by the power that's attributed to the dime in that episode. Matt (who perks up anytime there's a possibility of talking about Launchpad McQuack) From dve at kabelfoon.nl Mon Nov 10 14:17:35 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:17:35 +0100 Subject: Misunderstandings around Danish article (OT) Message-ID: <20031110130159.EE943BE6FC@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> LARS JENSEN to me, 09-11-2003: >> how many times do people need to tell you that it's sick > "Sick"? > > You just went way over the line here, Dani?l -- especially combined > with the other content of your posting. I hope you can find it in > yourself to apologize to Sigvald. He doesn't deserve this kind of > abuse. Do I deserve HIS kind of abuse? I've been asking, advicing, grumbling and begging him to STOP with sending those ridiculous complaints and offences. This has been going on for MONTHS. And then, when I loose my patience and let it show, *I* should apologize? Isn't that ironic? Concerning the context in which my email was sent, after the patience and the many, MANY chances given to Sigvald, I FULLY stand behind my email. Don't let there be any misunderstanding about it! And if it was so much over the line, then I look forward to that monthly "the most way over the line" award that apparently is waiting for me now. It will mean at least SOME result after all those months of asking, advicing, grumbling and begging. --- Dani?l From timoro at hotmail.com Mon Nov 10 14:09:21 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 15:09:21 +0200 Subject: Question about original Donad Duck texts Message-ID: Hi all! I need to know what were in original panels on these duck stories: W DDCA 3 -04 (Donald Duck Comic Album) fourth page panel eight, what is the name of the place mentioned here (Finnish translation says "Cha Cha Hall"). DG 33-08 (Dell Giant 3) Have Pencil, Will Travel (1960). Scrooge and Daisy travels to the some african country which is translated here as "Bongo-land". What it is in original? (page 2, first panel). I ask this because Jukka Lindfors is writing a preface for facsimile book of collected Aku Ankka magazine's 1962 volume. Thanks in advance! Best Wishes Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ................................. "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - kaikki yst?v?t klikkauksen p??ss?! Lataa t?st? ilmaiseksi. http://www.msn.fi/viestintapalvelut/Messenger From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Mon Nov 10 14:25:18 2003 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:25:18 +0100 Subject: Lack of repect to our friends, obviously, off course. Message-ID: Dani?l wrote: > And how many times do people need to tell you that it's sick [..] Lars replied: > "Sick"? > > You just went way over the line here, Dani?l -- especially combined with > the other content of your posting. I hope you can find it in yourself to > apologize to Sigvald. He doesn't deserve this kind of abuse. And Geir: > I nominate Dani?l's lates mail "the most way over the line" > mail this month. It's terrible to read such an attack here on DCML:( I don't think Dani?l needs to apologise to Sigvald. I think Dani?l could have gone even further. We tried every means we have to handle Sigvald's attitude on DCML here, and none of them worked. Dani?l tried it in a new way, but it I'm sure it won't work either. Sigvald himself wrote: > The situation has been quite > calm at DCML for several months now, please help keeping it that way. The main reason that the "situation has been quite calm" is that Sigvald sent very few e-mails. Apparently (and "obviously") Sigvald is not able to write an e-mail without being offensive. He doesn't know the difference between criticism and insult. I have no other solution to this Sigvald problem than trying to ignore his mails. And yes, I know: I sometimes don't succeed... --Harry. From jerryblake2 at juno.com Mon Nov 10 15:36:56 2003 From: jerryblake2 at juno.com (Daniel J. Neyer) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:36:56 -0500 Subject: Age of Rumpus McFowl Message-ID: <20031110.093713.-158869.0.jerryblake2@juno.com> It's funny, Larry, but I had reached the same conclusion as to Rumpus' age and antecedents that you did. I see the old sponger as a good deal younger than Scrooge, despite his bushy beard. It was very interesting to see Van Horn pursue the relationship between the two revealed at the end of "Secrets." BTW, "Travails", is the fourth Rumpus story printed in the US--the character debuted in "It's All Relative", then clashed with Scrooge for the first time in "Say Uncle." Then came "Secrets", in the last Gladstone issue of UNCLE SCROOGE. And now, according to the editor's column in US 322, Rumpus will be making his fifth appearance in 323, in a story called "A Dime For Your Thoughts." I presume that one's already been published in Europe? I can't get enough of Van Horn, and he's always at his best when doing Rumpus, so I'll look forward to that one as well. ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From donrosa at iglou.com Mon Nov 10 17:05:37 2003 From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:05:37 -0500 Subject: that $crooge snowglobe In-Reply-To: <200311101455.hAAEsqIt007500@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: Since people were guessing as to whether the theme played on this new $crooge snowglobe was the Donald Duck theme (as the ad states) or the "Ducktales" theme (as one would expect), I'm happy to report that it's the 1930's DD theme (even though that's inappropriate in its own way). In fact, this is one of the most "Barksian" $crooge figurines in my collection of many hundreds. It's gorgeous. It features $crooge frolicking in a pile of coins on his desk, and the desk and surrounding floor is beautifully adorned with many details of coins, bills, money bags, ingots, not to mention woodwork details and carved "$"s and even an old ticker tape machine below a clear bell-jar. There's even such extreme detailing as an old style (naturally) phone sitting off its cradle so no calls will disturb $crooge as he has his fun. It's straight out of the 1950's and so cluttered with detail that it looks like something *I* would draw. And I'm happy to see more items made in the cheaper resin style which looks much nicer than the more expensive ceramic method or any other method. The only drawback is that it IS a snowglobe to help sales in the "coll-eech-tibles" market of American buyers who want Disney snowglobes even if they don't recognize or understand the character featured. ("Oh, isn't that adorable -- must be a character coming up in LION KING IV.") And even though I thought "Ducktales" was an excellent TV show, since I thought of it as a counterfeit $crooge I did *not* like its influence on the few $crooge items being made, and I'm happy to see that it's far enough in the past now that its theme tune was not automatically used on this gorgeous new figurine. I don't know why I'm waxing eloquent with a merchandise review -- I guess it's just that I am a $crooge collector, and yet there have been *very few* really good Barks-style $crooge items ever made for the general market since the first one in 1956 (a tiny Hagen-Renaker ceramic), and this latest one is one of the best. From sigvald at duckburg.dk Mon Nov 10 16:37:55 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:37:55 +0200 Subject: Sigvald Awakes a "Sleeping Giant" (Ha! Ha!): Silly American Responds Message-ID: <200311101637.hAAGbtJ5040933@webmail.dht.dk> Matthew Williams wrote: > Because I am American and not "representative > for the whole of DCML" are my opinions to > be dismissed? Off course not. > While the Walt Disney Company Comics era did > seem somewhat focused on changing Disney comics > into something else, I think that threat is > long since past. As long as people like Rosa, > the Blocks, and the Van Horns are still > creating excellent (ORIGINAL) work in the > traditional style, I don't think we can assume > an overlapping panel style is going to become > the norm. OK then! Because that was indeed what I have feared and the reason I came up with this topic in the first place. If the overlapping style remain mr. Fecchi's special style rather than the norm, I will have no problems at all enjoying both his and other creators comics in the DD Pocket books. > Still, the way you have chosen your comments > in reference to Mr. Fecchi is rude and just > plain not very nice. As stated before my comments was about the style, *not* about the man. It was not my intention to hurt anyone. I am very sorry if mr. Fecchi or anyone else felt hurt by my comment. Also notice that I used the word "bad" in order to get attention at DCML. The next time I have some critical comment of any kind, I can present it in a nice way - and see if that gives attention as well. Sigvald From totemboschi at libero.it Mon Nov 10 17:59:03 2003 From: totemboschi at libero.it (Luca Boschi) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:59:03 +0100 Subject: The first Flinthearth's non-barksian story In-Reply-To: <200311101103.hAAB2qIu023026@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: To Katie, and for who's intertested in this issue: it seems that the very first Flinthearth's non-barksian story is Italian, and specifically Zio Paperone e il bisbilione, written by Osvaldo Pavese, art by Giuseppe Perego, in "Topolino" n. 608 (23-07-1967). Since the art is quite - AHEM, ER... - not oustanding, the story is not so famous; indeed it's quite important, because shows the first (and only?) team-up Scrooge-Flintheart-Rockerduck, and even if Flintheart is in Duckburg (but it's not written that he *lives* there) it's clearly shown a difference between his personality and Rockerduck's one. Moreover, this story also clearly states the *ufficial* Italian translation of Flinthearth Glomgold into Cuordipietra Famedoro, even if this very name was used only one time before, in translating original Barks' stories. Luca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20031110/a8ce38e0/attachment.html From sigvald at duckburg.dk Mon Nov 10 17:06:16 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:06:16 +0200 Subject: Lack of repect to our friends, obviously, off course. Message-ID: <200311101706.hAAH6GlH041052@webmail.dht.dk> Harry Fluks wrote: > Sigvald himself wrote: > >> The situation has been quite calm at DCML for >> several months now, please help keeping it >> that way. > > The main reason that the "situation has been > quite calm" is that Sigvald sent very few > e-mails. Apparently (and "obviously"> Sigvald > is not able to write an e-mail without being > offensive. Please, take a break - Harry! Even you know that this is not correct. Just think about it - was I offensive in the posting where I started the debate about northeastern storms in Duckburg? And there are also a lot of other examples that I have posted non-offensive mails. > I have no other solution to this Sigvald > problem than trying to ignore his mails. This, Harry, is close to what I will call a rude and anti-democratic behaviour that doesn't belong in DCML. Sigvald From lis- at wp.pl Mon Nov 10 18:11:56 2003 From: lis- at wp.pl (mateusz lis) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:11:56 +0100 Subject: Fecchi's good style Message-ID: Hi all, For me, Fecchi's style of designing panels is generally good. Please forgive me if I'm wrong, but IMHO there aren't many creative artists in Italy - most of them are just coping style of Cavazzano or Scarpa. Furthermore, I won't say that Fecchi's stories look like "Spiderman". When I read his stories, I don't stop to think "Which panel is next???" BTW, Sigvald, I think you haven't paid much attention when you read this story - Gorm Transgaard showed a lack of respect for other creator(s), because there was no Duckburg in 1775! ;-) Best wishes, Mateusz Lis From lis- at wp.pl Mon Nov 10 18:11:57 2003 From: lis- at wp.pl (mateusz lis) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:11:57 +0100 Subject: Favourite DuckTales episodes Message-ID: Here are some of my favourite DuckTales episodes: 1) Armstrong This episode is thrilling! It was done so well, that I go through it wery much every time I watch it. Even if I know how it will end. 2) Hotel Strangeduck It is based upon Barks' "Secret of the old castle". It is very mysterious and wonderful to watch in the evenigs. I think it's even better than original (No, please, don't kill me!!!) 3) The Golden Goose The only one episode on this list which was done for second season. I like it because it is animated very well and it holds in suspence to the end. 4) Lost Crown of Genghis Khan I haven't read the original story yet, but the episode is fantastic. I can't tell why I like - it's a magic, like in Barks stories. 5) The Curse of Castle McDuck I think it is based upon one of the Barks' stories, bu I'm not sure. Very mysterious, quite stupid, but I love it. 6) Send in the clones It is very dynamic and it plotted very well. I love almost every DuckTales episode, but these are my favourite. Best wishes, Mateusz Lis From ggk at wp.pl Mon Nov 10 18:12:08 2003 From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:12:08 +0100 Subject: Best DuckTales Episodes! References: <000301c3a78a$192fe300$5f24d044@youroxg2elbf6o> Message-ID: <001a01c3a7ad$c5fb08d0$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8> > Even though the episode isn't one of my favorites I do love how every single > DuckTales character is at Scrooge's wedding--even really obscure characters > who are only in one episode! I think that shows a lot of love and care on > someone's part. You now it's fanny theat Scrooge Invait Glomgold and Magica to the weding. Affter all they are vilans. (Goldie and The Beagle Boy's wasent invaitet but they found they wey to get in ;-) ) > Maciek: I share your mixed feelings about "Dime Enough for Luck"! I love > seeing Gladstone, Scrooge, and Magica interacting together, but I am > troubled by the power that's attributed to the dime in that episode. I thik DuckTales scrip makers was having trubell with decide whay Magica nide Scrooge Dime : - In "Send in the Clones" she tell she seys the Dime will make here moust powerfull witch in the world. And she take over the world And it was shown she have to melt the dime in to her amulet. - In "Dime Enougth for Luck" first Magica sey theat wen she melt the Dime "(...) it will control oll the Dime's in the word, not to mantion all the Dolars (...)" and she olsow mention theat all Luck and welth in the world will be here. - In "Duck to the Future" it is shown theat wen Magica fainly get the dime , she didn't melt it in the Dime but simply put it and theat make her powerfull. - In "Magica Shadow War" it is shown theat Magica just have to hold the Dime in here hend to make here Spell's more Powerfull. By the wey : I like the Episode "Raider's of the last harp" wen Magica aperd as a Vilant but she wasen't after the the Dime but after the Harp of Helen of Troy. And love wen Magica sey's :"I love geting Mail. Nou one ever send bills, the wuodent dere" :-) > Matt (who perks up anytime there's a possibility of talking about Launchpad > McQuack) I like to talk obaut hime. His the best Duck Tales charecter wich didn't aperd bifour the show but was made by Duck Tales (like GizmoDuck or Webby) I like his family (father, mother and sirter) theat aperd in episode "Top Duck" and have a cameoin Till Nephews Do Us Part. Yours Maciek From sigvald at duckburg.dk Mon Nov 10 18:23:30 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:23:30 +0200 Subject: SV: Fecchi's good style Message-ID: <200311101823.hAAINUkg041232@webmail.dht.dk> mateusz lis wrote: > BTW, Sigvald, I think you haven't paid much > attention when you read this story - Gorm > Transgaard showed a lack of respect for other > creator(s), because there was no Duckburg in > 1775! ;-) I did notice that Gorm placed this story in 1775. Apparently he prefer to ignore Barks' and Rosa's version of Duckburgs past in this story - not only by the dating, but also by (as I read that story) ignoring the very existence for Fort Duckburg by 1775 - but that's his free choice so I didn't see any reason to discuss that matter on DCML. However I have very recently written the second part of Duckburg's history (1818-1902) for the DDF-Rappet - there I do comment Transgaards dating. Sigvald From marugu171 at hotmail.com Mon Nov 10 20:35:15 2003 From: marugu171 at hotmail.com (Mats Rune Gullikstad) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 20:35:15 +0100 Subject: DuckTales Message-ID: Hi all, I love DuckTales! But I only remember one episode: When all Scrooges money freezes i a big pond. I was pretty young when the episodes went on Norwegian telly, and I would love to see them again! Do you get DuckTales on DVD? Mats _________________________________________________________________ Last ned nye MSN Messenger 6.0 gratis http://www.msn.no/computing/messenger - Den raskeste veien mellom deg og dine venner From cien2 at cbn.net.id Mon Nov 10 20:43:05 2003 From: cien2 at cbn.net.id (Arie Fachrisal) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 02:43:05 +0700 Subject: Fecchi's style References: <200311100235.hAA2ZPIu002124@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <001a01c3a7c2$e05b9c20$64769eca@cien2> I dont see any faults in attempting new panel designs for Disney stories. Barks has tried that sometimes in the past too, by showing DD's hat or a certain character hand or fingers crossing the panel's border for just a bit, maybe not too radical but still a funny small detail. also the inclusion of "small view" such as sunset and or moon in the text box that shows "In the morning" or such etc. imho Rosa has also experimented in creating new panel designs to work with his duck stories to create more visible impact according to the story's plot and mood. One obvious panel design is the "45 degrees panels" (i dunno what Don and the others call it) he used in "Sharpie of the Culebra Cut" where the "building" US in is drifting down. So maybe new inventive way of panel designs arent a sacrilege to the Disney stories. sure some of the designs by various disney comic artists might not suit one's taste but that doesnt mean it's forbidden to do that. i personally havent had any access to the said story of Mr. Fecchi and im looking forward to the story that has caused the long debate here in DCML. Keep On Quacking, Arie Fachrisal From olaf at andebyonline.com Mon Nov 10 20:45:55 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 20:45:55 +0100 Subject: Fecchi's style In-Reply-To: <001a01c3a7c2$e05b9c20$64769eca@cien2> References: <200311100235.hAA2ZPIu002124@numerus.ling.uu.se> <001a01c3a7c2$e05b9c20$64769eca@cien2> Message-ID: <1068493555.3fafeaf32e767@imp.webhuset.no> > imho Rosa has also experimented in creating new panel designs to work with > his duck stories to create more visible impact according to the story's > plot > and mood. One obvious panel design is the "45 degrees panels" (i dunno what > Don and the others call it) he used in "Sharpie of the Culebra Cut" where > the "building" US in is drifting down. Agreed, Arie. I think one of my favorite panels from Don Rosa must be the splash panel of part 3 of the 3-part version of D 96089... http://duckman.pettho.com/2worlds/v_d96089b2.html ...naturally, because he's experimenting. I love love love love love this panel! Olaf From cord at wiljes.de Mon Nov 10 22:39:44 2003 From: cord at wiljes.de (Cord Wiljes) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 22:39:44 +0100 Subject: AW: Fecchi's style In-Reply-To: <001a01c3a7c2$e05b9c20$64769eca@cien2> Message-ID: <000401c3a7d3$283f9720$0300a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> There also were some pretty inventive panel layouts in Barks' Scrooge/Gyro story in "disneyland birthday party" (the one in Scrooge and Gyro travel to the moon to find a crystal even harder than Scrooge's Forbidium save.) Fecchi's stories have a very dynamic and modern panel layout because they also have very modern plots, often in futuristic settings, with lots of cinematic action. So in my opinion the art fits the content perfectly. Cord From ggk at wp.pl Mon Nov 10 23:13:08 2003 From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:13:08 +0100 Subject: The first Flinthearth's non-barksian story References: Message-ID: <01d501c3a7d7$d2c1f680$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8> > To Katie, and for who's intertested in this issue: it seems that the very > first Flinthearth's non-barksian story is Italian, and specifically Zio > Paperone e il bisbilione, written by Osvaldo Pavese, art by Giuseppe Perego, > in "Topolino" n. 608 (23-07-1967). Since the art is quite - AHEM, ER... - > not oustanding, the story is not so famous; indeed it's quite important, > because shows the first (and only?) team-up Scrooge-Flintheart-Rockerduck, > and even if Flintheart is in Duckburg (but it's not written that he *lives* > there) it's clearly shown a difference between his personality and > Rockerduck's one. Sow there were a "Flintheart meet Rockerduck" story! Im happy theat were adlise one story wen they aperd together! Your's Maciek From ggk at wp.pl Mon Nov 10 23:45:25 2003 From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:45:25 +0100 Subject: Best DuckTales Episodes! References: <000301c3a78a$192fe300$5f24d044@youroxg2elbf6o> <001a01c3a7ad$c5fb08d0$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8> <1068501050.3fb0083a8d9b3@webmail.apptechnc.net> Message-ID: <022701c3a7dc$550bdb70$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8> > I love your close look at the Magica episodes. I had never considered any of > this previously! I like that she's after the harp in "Raiders of the Lost > Harp" too. A strange thing obaut dis episode : Magica home (mount vesuvius) is in som sort of forest while, in rest of the episodes she live in vulcano on the midle of the ocean (wich look like a Sfinks with Magica head). And one more thing theat shout have dibate here is Poe de Spell. In "Send in the Clones" it was told theat he is relly Magica brother whou was turn in the Raven. In some other Duck Tales episode he aperd dis fackt was not mention. Did in some "Duck Tales" comics was mention theat he actualy her brother? > I'm glad you mentioned "Magica's Shadow War." That > episode creeped me out big time when I was a child! I still think the image of > her huge, frightening shadow is pretty potent stuff. I also love that moment > when things go wrong with the stadium lights and all of the other shadows > appear. The episode wich relly crep me out was "Hotell StrangeDuck". The cementary, the scary face of the wall and the gout... It's ollsow spoky.... Yours Maciek From vazali at yahoo.com Tue Nov 11 00:23:35 2003 From: vazali at yahoo.com (Katie Sullivan) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 15:23:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: DuckTales comments and Rumpus In-Reply-To: <200311101453.hAAErHIt007458@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <20031110232335.7949.qmail@web41508.mail.yahoo.com> First, on the subject of Rumpus, I see him as existing in a different universe or continuity than the Barks/Rosa one. So I don't hurt my brain too much trying to figure out how he would fit into that family tree. ;-) Has Van Horn ever used (or mentioned by name) Hortense or Matilda? Didn't Don Rosa come up with the name "Fergus" as Scrooge's father's name, since Barks only called him by the nickname "Scottie" or somesuch? It seems like Van Horn freely borrows bits and pieces of other authors' universes, and ignores others. I'm NOT saying this is a bad thing! It's fun, and certainly within his right! (Rosa does this too, after all--the "earning the first dime by shining a ditchdigger's boots" scene wasn't a Barks idea but came from another author whose name escapes me at the moment...Strobl?) But I'm just wondering what other bits of the Barks/Rosa continuity have been picked up by Van Horn. Maciek (with this syntax, who else? ;) wrote: > But obaut maching : I love Duck Tales version of "Back to the > Klondaik". > Ofcours Carl Bark version is much better but in Duck Tales > there is shown > much more love betwen Scrooge and Goldie. Maby bicous Scrooge > sems to fell > in love with Goldie sence he saw her for the first time. Why > in Barks > version he simes to hate here in the flash back. Ah, but that outward hate simply covers up his love for her. ;) Although I did like the DuckTales version of "Back to the Klondike," too. ;) Matthew wrote: > Oh and Katie! I LIKE Scrooge in love, but I guess I like > miserable, > unrequited love best (LOL)! Oh, that's okay then! LOL! ^_^ > I'm really bothered by how easily > Millionaira > pulls the wool over Scrooge's eyes. Not to mention how quickly he forgets Goldie. :-p > The puns they exchange > are great, > though. Don't they talk about moving into a tax shelter? Yeah. "Love bucks," and "money muffin." *gag* LOL! And lastly, thanks to Luca for the information about Flintheart's first non-Barks appearance! Very interesting! :) Katie Sullivan http://www.sullivanet.com/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From info at klartekst.no Thu Nov 13 00:58:58 2003 From: info at klartekst.no (Klartekst) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 00:58:58 +0100 Subject: Fecchi's style Message-ID: <001f01c3a978$f1c82020$8119fea9@klartekst> Creative page layouts are just another way for the artist to tell the story in the best possible way. For example, I remember a scene where Scrooge makes Donald climb out the flagpole on the 13th floor of the McDuck Building to catch a runaway parrot. In the first panel of the page, the panel borders are slanted downwards to show that we are really high up in the air. In the fifth panel, the right panel border mirrors the steep perspective of the tall building. In the sixth panel, where Donald is clinging desperately to the flagpole, there is NO panel border to give the scene a dramatic "airy" feeling. The story (as I'm sure many of you have already guessed) is "The Pixilated Parrot" By Carl Barks. We should be glad that artists are willing to try out new things. If they weren't, all comic book stories would still consist of equally-sized panels with the text placed underneath each picture. Nils Smeby From olaf at andebyonline.com Tue Nov 11 00:41:10 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 00:41:10 +0100 Subject: DuckTales comments and Rumpus In-Reply-To: <20031110232335.7949.qmail@web41508.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031110232335.7949.qmail@web41508.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1068507670.3fb02216c2d2d@imp.webhuset.no> Quoting Katie Sullivan : > First, on the subject of Rumpus, I see him as existing in a > different universe or continuity than the Barks/Rosa one. So I > don't hurt my brain too much trying to figure out how he would > fit into that family tree. ;-) > Has Van Horn ever used (or mentioned by name) Hortense or > Matilda? Didn't Don Rosa come up with the name "Fergus" as > Scrooge's father's name, since Barks only called him by the > nickname "Scottie" or somesuch? > It seems like Van Horn freely borrows bits and pieces of other > authors' universes, and ignores others. I'm NOT saying this is > a bad thing! It's fun, and certainly within his right! (Rosa > does this too, after all--the "earning the first dime by shining > a ditchdigger's boots" scene wasn't a Barks idea but came from > another author whose name escapes me at the moment...Strobl?) > But I'm just wondering what other bits of the Barks/Rosa > continuity have been picked up by Van Horn. If I'm to guess: (note, this is a pure guess. I have no background whatsoever for saying so.) I think that Van Horn from the second he invented Rumpus thought of him as Scrooge's brother (or half-brother). In Rumpus' first story, "It's all relative" (written 1991), he's referred to by Donald as "uncle". How normal is it to refer to your mother's cousin as your uncle? (Well, I see that as possible - after all, that's what Huey, Dewey and Louie did, assuming Della is their mother.) Problem was, before Van Horn got to writing Rumpus' second story, Egmont had published Lo$ and the Don Rosa family tree. In this, which now would be Egmont's "official" family tree, no brother of Scrooge was mentioned. So, when Rumpus makes his second appearance in "Say Uncle!", he's presented as Scrooge's cousin. A good explanation to why he's not on the family tree - NONE of Scrooge's cousins are. But he's NOT Scrooge's cousin, is he... no, that's just a clever way of sneaking Rumpus past the family tree. As long as his brotherhood to Scrooge is a well-kept secret, no wonder it's not in the family tree. As long as Rumpus himself doesn't know, how could Don Rosa know? That way, there's no reason to explain this any further. First, Don Rosa draws a family tree. Then, Rumpus suddenly finds a letter from his mother. From THERE the siblinghood Scrooge/Rumpus begins. And that way, if a nosy teenager asks "oh yeah, but if they're siblings, how come Rumpus is not on the family tree?" - one can answer that nobody knew of this siblinghood when the family tree was drawn, instead of making up an explanation for why Scrooge's life-long brother wasn't in Scrooge's family tree only because he hadn't appeared in any stories yet (which is NOT a good explanation when talking to kids). And from there, Rumpus can slide into the role he was intended to play - as Donald's lazy and food-loving uncle in "Ain't it the truth", as Scrooge's a little naive brother in "A dime for your thoughts" and as the selfish sneak we know from the first two Rumpus stories in "Full circle". Brilliant, isn't it? Donald has a new uncle, and we know the "reason" he's not on the family tree. OK, that's my guess. Any of our friends at Egmont who wants to tell me how wrong I am? (or, naturally, Mr. Van Horn himself if he happens to read this.) Olaf From kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net Tue Nov 11 02:23:40 2003 From: kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 20:23:40 -0500 Subject: Best DuckTales Episodes! Message-ID: <003b01c3a7f2$76bedd10$7424d044@youroxg2elbf6o> Maciek writes: >You now it's fanny theat Scrooge Invait Glomgold and Magica to the weding. Affter all they are vilans. Yes, this is somewhat strange, but I like it! The really interesting thing to do would be to watch the episode again and see which side of the church they are sitting on! Maybe they're friends of the Vanderbucks family. It seems a little unfair that Magica and Glomgold were invited, but the Beagles have to sneak in! I love your close look at the Magica episodes. I had never considered any of this previously! I like that she's after the harp in "Raiders of the Lost Harp" too. Surely a sophisticated witch like Magica would want to diversify every now and then. I'm glad you mentioned "Magica's Shadow War." That episode creeped me out big time when I was a child! I still think the image of her huge, frightening shadow is pretty potent stuff. I also love that moment when things go wrong with the stadium lights and all of the other shadows appear. >I like to talk obaut hime. His the best Duck Tales charecter wich didn't >aped biform the show but was made by Duck Tales (like Gizmo or Webby) >I like his family (father, mother and sirter) theat aperd in episode "Top >Duck" and have a cameoin Till Nephews Do Us Part. I LOVE Launchpad. I was overjoyed to see him in a new (in America anyway) story a few weeks ago. I would love it if a writer or artist made some attempt to incorporate him as a regular fixture in Duckburg, not just as a presence in a "DuckTales" story. He adds something unique that Gladstone, Gyro, Fethry, and Daisy can't. I've actually been playing around with creating my own duck scripts for the last several months, and I've tried to include Launchpad in small roles. I love him because he can do dumb things and serve as comic relief, but he also has a certain amount of dignity that keeps him from being a complete clown. Matt From timoro at hotmail.com Tue Nov 11 10:49:33 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:49:33 +0200 Subject: AW: Question on Walt Disney signatures Message-ID: Looks like this never reached DCML. I post this one more time. Stefan: >There are two famous Disney signatures. Which of them are you talking >about? It was this one: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/disneylogo.jpg I don't remember where I read about this, but this one was said to be designed by Porter. Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ................................. "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - kaikki yst?v?t klikkauksen p??ss?! Lataa t?st? ilmaiseksi. http://www.msn.fi/viestintapalvelut/Messenger From timoro at hotmail.com Tue Nov 11 10:50:49 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:50:49 +0200 Subject: AW: Question on Walt Disney signatures Message-ID: Looks like this never reached DCML. I post this one more time. Stefan: >There are two famous Disney signatures. Which of them are you talking >about? It was this one: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/disneylogo.jpg I don't remember where I read about this, but this one was said to be designed by Porter. Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ................................. "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - kaikki yst?v?t klikkauksen p??ss?! Lataa t?st? ilmaiseksi. http://www.msn.fi/viestintapalvelut/Messenger From ggk at wp.pl Tue Nov 11 11:46:44 2003 From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:46:44 +0100 Subject: Best DuckTales Episodes! References: <003b01c3a7f2$76bedd10$7424d044@youroxg2elbf6o> Message-ID: <030401c3a841$19b7c380$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8> > Yes, this is somewhat strange, but I like it! The really interesting thing > to do would be to watch the episode again and see which side of the church > they are sitting on! Well actualy the Weding was not in church but in bank. It wasen't shown wen Magica is sitnik. She only was seen wen she was saininh some sort of "Guest book" in the bank entry. Glomgold was siting at the same said as Gladstone and Doofus. Whow ever Huey Duey and Luey were siting on difrent said thean they had. > Maybe they're friends of the Vanderbucks family. I thing Magica look much like Miss Vanderbuck. Maby she is from her far familly? Your's Maciek From marcobar at ds.unifi.it Tue Nov 11 11:52:42 2003 From: marcobar at ds.unifi.it (Marco Barlotti) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:52:42 +0100 Subject: Luca: on the Italian translation(s) of Glomgold's name In-Reply-To: <200311101945.hAAJifIu030257@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031111114403.01e8d4d0@ds.unifi.it> At 20.45 10/11/2003 +0100, Luca Boschi wrote: >it seems that the very >first Flinthearth's non-barksian story is Italian, and specifically Zio >Paperone e il bisbilione, written by Osvaldo Pavese, art by Giuseppe Perego, >in "Topolino" n. 608 (23-07-1967). Correct. >Moreover, this story also clearly states the *ufficial* Italian translation >of Flinthearth Glomgold into Cuordipietra Famedoro, even if this very name >was used only one time before, in translating original Barks' stories. Sorry to contradict you, but this is not correct IMHO. Glomgold appears again a few weeks later on "Topolino" in the story you certainly know very well I TL 615-A (Paperino e i candidati al CIAO) written by Guido Martina and drawn by G. B. Carpi. He is called "Mac Gold" in that story, as you certainly remember. What you probably forgot is that when a couple of years later Osvaldo Pavese uses again that character (in the story I TL 813-B (Zio Paperone e la pepita astrale) again drawn by Perego (!) he calls him "Mac Gold"!!! So probably in those years somebody (Martina?) had decided that was the Italian name of Flinthearth Glomgold. When I TL 813-B was reprinted in "Classici Disney" #70, several years later, the story was partially re-lettered to change all references from to . I daresay the name "Cuordipietra Famedoro" had become "official" by that time... Marco http://www.cce.unifi.it/~marcobar/Comics From dve at kabelfoon.nl Tue Nov 11 13:37:39 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:37:39 +0100 Subject: Fecchi / bad attention Message-ID: <20031111122202.D53E719FD4D@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> SIGVALD GROSFJELD to MATTHEW WILLIAMS, 10-11-2003: > If the overlapping style remain mr. Fecchi's special style rather > than the norm, I will have no problems at all enjoying both his > and other creators comics in the DD Pocket books. What exactly is "the norm" within Disney comics? Apart from some basic rules, Disney comics are known to have a great variation, with lots of different styles. > It was not my intention to hurt anyone. I am very sorry if > mr. Fecchi or anyone else felt hurt by my comment. > > Also notice that I used the word "bad" in order to get attention > at DCML. You can be sure that I've noticed this comment, Sigvald! You just admit you have purposedly used negativity, in order to get attention. (As if you don't have attention enough, already!) This puts your apologies and your contributions in quite a different light for me. You DO seem to know the difference between annoying behaviour and good behaviour. If you think you should have attention, you just throw in some negativity, resulting in angry/disappointed people falling over each other, just to reach you and to give you some more chances... And then, how are these chances (mis)used? I think I see a vicious circle here. Anyway, trying to get bad attention is a very wrong attitude. If you go on with that, I really think you should unsubscribe from this list, Sigvald. This list is not meant for people who are experimenting with bad behaviour. You can raise your own mailing list for that. > The next time I have some critical comment of any kind, I can present > it in a nice way - and see if that gives attention as well. This is vivisection. I feel like a guinea-pig, looked up in a funny farm! How will people react if Dr. Sigvald tries to present his critical comments in a nice way? Will it give him as much attention as before, or will he have to fall back on his bad vibe tactics? What an experiment! It's for the good cause, though. Either way, it helps to give Sigvald attention... And if it's not enough, bad vibes will be the bait to get a lot more attention. What a system! --- Dani?l From dve at kabelfoon.nl Tue Nov 11 13:52:37 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:52:37 +0100 Subject: P.S. (Fecchi / bad attention) Message-ID: <20031111123700.4B813BEAB7@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> I wrote: I feel like a guinea-pig, looked up in a funny farm! But I meant: I feel like a guinea-pig, *locked up* in a funny farm! --- Napoleon From jlerose at rtsz.com Tue Nov 11 16:29:54 2003 From: jlerose at rtsz.com (J LeRose) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:29:54 -0500 Subject: AW: Question on Walt Disney signatures (timo ronkainen) References: <200311110952.hAB9qgXR000380@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <3FB10072.23C4745A@rtsz.com> > Subject: Re: AW: Question on Walt Disney signatures > Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:49:33 +0200 > From: "timo ronkainen" > To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se > > Looks like this never reached DCML. I post this one more time. > > Stefan: > >There are two famous Disney signatures. Which of them are you talking > >about? > > It was this one: > http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/disneylogo.jpg > > I don't remember where I read about this, but this one was said to be > designed by Porter. > > Timo > Thanks to all. I got a lot of information. I have a lot of research to do based on your help. I am really interested in finding out how widespread the practice was on the early signatures. I'm trying to get the pre 1950 artists first. What started my interest is that I found an ink and watercolor of Donald Duck (gift given by Walt) that was signed "Walt Disney" and on the back signed "By Al Taliaferro" That was the first time I had seen a double signature. I will let you know what I come up with. Thanks, Jeff From ktpedersen at yahoo.com Tue Nov 11 18:28:42 2003 From: ktpedersen at yahoo.com (Kristian Pedersen) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:28:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: Silly story idea Message-ID: <20031111172842.54789.qmail@web40102.mail.yahoo.com> I've often thought that a fun subject for a story could be the ducks trying to figure out their origin. Maybe the prevalent notion in Duckburg is a darwinistic one - simply everybody believes that the ducks developed from the pterodactyls (I actually once saw a daily strip in which Donald told the nephews just that - a Taliaferro strip, perhaps?). That would perhaps also explain why we never hear of temples of worship in Duckburg: the inhabitants are simply not religious. But then some sort of Anti-Darwin could put forth the revolutionary idea that the ducks were actually created by gods, and everybody would start looking for clues. For instance, why would the ducks use the base 10 number system when they have only eight fingers? Isn't that some kind of clue that they have not been shaped by evolution? (After formulating this thought, it struck me: but what if they ARE using the base eight system? Could I actually remember ever having seen the digit s "8" or "9" in a Barks story for instance? Not off the top of my head, but I soon found some in "The Pixilated Parrot". A shame - it would have been a very neat inside joke if those two digits never appeared. (And Scrooge would have been much less rich!)) I recall a Marco Rota story in which Barks' likeness can be seen on a totem pole, so obviously _someone_ inside the duck universe already hit upon the right idea :) Kristian __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From silppuri14 at suomi24.fi Tue Nov 11 18:27:39 2003 From: silppuri14 at suomi24.fi (Lauri Jaakkola) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:27:39 +0200 Subject: Ducktales comments and Rumpus Message-ID: <3FA1F87A0000F9AC@webmail-fi3.sol.no1.asap-asp.net> Hi all. This is my first appearance in DCML. I haven't ever really found out where on the Family Tree should I place Ludwig van Drake. Someones are telling that he is a brother of Uncle $crooge. Then $crooge would have two sisters (Hortense&Matilda) and two brothers (Rumpus&Ludwig). Or is Ludwig van Drake (at least his last name isn't McDuck) Donald's uncle from the father's side? Or maybe he isn't a relative to anyone. I also heard that Mr.Rosa was going to put him to the Family tree but Egmont forbid it. So that'd show that he is a relative of the Ducks. Complicated. I have a wild theory that would show how Ludwig van Drake could be brother of $crooge: During the short divorce of Fergus and US's mother (was her name Downy in English?)- expecting it was at least nine months long - Fergus would've got Rumpus and Downy(?) Ludwig. Then Fergus and Downy(?) get back together and so long. If this would be true Ludwig could easily be van Drake and a brother of $crooge. This is quite far-connected (Does that word exist?) and probably I'm wrong(Ludwig looks like as old as $crooge and older than Rumpus). Correct this if I'm totally wrong. Anyway, Ludwig van Drake (maybe a connection with sir Francis Drake? =)) isn't my favourite character and probably lives only in Italy by now. I think that he is even unnecessary character as a professor-who-knows-everything while there are Junior Woodchucks and their awesome book. And in Duckburg already lives richest duck of the world, the luckiest, the unluckiest, the best inventor..., so Ludwig would probably be too much. And this is only my opinion. Lauri Jaakkola, Finland --------- Times are tough, huh, bud. _______________________________________________________________________ Parhaat hakupalvelut yhdess? osoitteessa: http://www.eniro.fi/ Suomalaisten yritysten tuotteet ja palvelut: http://yritykset.eniro.fi/ From xephyr at cwnet.com Tue Nov 11 20:28:43 2003 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:28:43 -0800 Subject: Ludwig von Drake a Family Duck? Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20031111/eaebd9be/attachment.pl From sigvald at duckburg.dk Tue Nov 11 20:45:27 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:45:27 +0200 Subject: SV: Fecchi / bad attention Message-ID: <200311112045.hABKjRtt045991@webmail.dht.dk> Daniel van Eijmeren wrote: >> Also notice that I used the word "bad" in >> order to get attention at DCML. > > You can be sure that I've noticed this comment, > Sigvald! You just admit you have purposedly > used negativity, in order to get attention... Yes, but only to draw attention towards the *topic* - in that case the overlapping panel style, not my person. I have sometimes posted serious questions to DCML without getting any response, through that I have learned that seriousity may not always be enough to draw attention towards an interesting topic. Sigvald From olaf at andebyonline.com Tue Nov 11 22:42:43 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 22:42:43 +0100 Subject: Bad attention (completely off-topic) In-Reply-To: <200311112045.hABKjRtt045991@webmail.dht.dk> References: <200311112045.hABKjRtt045991@webmail.dht.dk> Message-ID: <1068586963.3fb157d38aac0@imp.webhuset.no> Sigvald: > Yes, but only to draw attention towards the *topic* - in that case the > overlapping panel style, not my person. I have sometimes posted serious > questions to DCML without getting any response, through that I have learned > that seriousity may not always be enough to draw attention towards an > interesting topic. I think this is a wrong approach, Sigvald. We have several good discussions on the DCML every day, all without insulting anyone. The truth can be pretty hard to swallow, but it often is that if you say something VERY interesting, and nobody answers - that is normally because others are not interested in the same things as you are. If people feel that they have nothing to contribute with, they often remain silent. Take the "best Duck Tales episodes" discussion... I don't think anyone so far has said anything bad. Someone started a discussion on DuckTales. Many has contributed to the discusson. I haven't - because I haven't watched much DuckTales and therefor I haven't much to say about DuckTales. Also, if we count heads, I'm sure that more than 90% of the DCML still has not said anything in that DuckTales discussion. Including you, Sigvald. Why is that? Because we don't feel we have anything to contribute with there. So, you're right - seriousity may not always be enough to draw attention towards a topic. But towards an interesting topic? Well, what is interesting varies from person to person. In a discussion about the panel style in a recent Fecchi story, many on the list will be in the position that they haven't read this story. Others will be in the position that they don't have an opinion about this panel style. Some people are in the position that they don't have the time to write to DCML. And many people DON'T answer a question if they have nothing to contribute with. So, what interests you, MAY not interest everybody else. Which is why they don't answer you. It's as easy as that. It does NOT help to ask the same question in a very bad and insulting way. Yes, you get more attention. But you don't get more attention towards the question, you get more _negative_ attention towards yourself. Sigvald, to take this Fecchi thing. You wrote: "Seen isolated this person's drawings are OK, but the way they are arranged on each page IMO make stories drawn by this person look awful in any Disney- magazine. This is because the panels are not arranged properly as in most Disney comics. In stead the panels seems to be randomly arranged and sometimes with parts of one panel covering another panel ? just like in modern super-hero comics. Maybe this person thinks that using such a modern style is cool, well I don't think so at all. Still most stories published in the "Donald Pocket" books look normal, and I hope they will look so in the future to. If this IMO lousy Fecchi-style ever becomes the normal look of the stories in the "Donald Pocket" books Egmont will loose me as a reader of those books, that's for sure!" This wasn't even a discussion! You were *stating* that this was bad, using words like "bad", "awful" and "lousy". If you had written e.g.: "The panels in this story was arranged in a relatively unusual way for a Disney comic - they're not lined up like panels use to be, but more scrambled, almost randomly arranged, sometimes with parts of one panel covering another panel - in other words, in a more modern style, like the one in many super hero comics. What do you think of experimenting with the panel style in this way? Personally, I prefer panels to be lined up properly with white space between them, like most other stories still have, but what do you think?" If you had written something like that - well, I can tell you for sure that _I_ would have given the same answer as I did this time. I assume Fernando, Jonathan and Matthew would have done the same - as we have opinions on this, and is interested in discussing it. To make it clear: I answered you because the topic was interesting me, NOT because it was written in a negative way. As for more attention - well, the fact that you wrote this in such a negative way, brought you more attention. E.g. you got a few responds from Dani?l. I don't defend what Dani?l wrote - but he wrote that BECAUSE you wrote your post in such a negative way. So, you're right - you got more attention by writing it in a negative way, but is this really the kind of attention you want? Cheer up, Sigvald. Happy thoughts. If you write an interesting post in a serious way, and people don't answer you - that is NOT because your post is too serious. That is because people don't think what you think is interesting is interesting, or because they feel they have nothing to add. So, I think the best for both you and the rest of the list will be if you go back to writing serious posts. Olaf From dve at kabelfoon.nl Tue Nov 11 23:34:03 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:34:03 +0100 Subject: Getting attention by bad attitude (OT) Message-ID: <20031111221825.C698519FFB7@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> SIGVALD GROSFJELD to me, 11-11-2003: I concluded: >> You just admit you have purposedly used negativity, in order >> to get attention... And then Sigvald accentuated: > Yes, but only to draw attention towards the *topic* - in that > case the overlapping panel style, not my person. I have sometimes > posted serious questions to DCML without getting any response, > through that I have learned that seriousity may not always be > enough to draw attention towards an interesting topic. Thanks for clarifying that you *know* that you're misusing DCML on purpose, using negative tactics, in order to get attention. There's NO WAY to justify that, Sigvald. Don't even try! Your defence that you're just a part-time troll, instead of a full-time one, only makes me *more* angry. Trolls are trolls. And they're *unwelcome* on DCML. --- Dani?l From longtom at oeste.com.ar Tue Nov 11 23:31:42 2003 From: longtom at oeste.com.ar (Fabio Blanco) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:31:42 -0300 Subject: Bad attention (completely off-topic) References: <200311112045.hABKjRtt045991@webmail.dht.dk> <1068586963.3fb157d38aac0@imp.webhuset.no> Message-ID: <002501c3a8a3$97587c00$3e962ac8@fabio> Oh yes, sure I will read with atention another interesting argument around Sigvald... Ahoum!! Could you gentlemen at least direct the mail for dcml at stp.ling.uu.se ? I have a folder for this group and so is most easy to delete, thanks Fabio (tiredsaurus rex) > Sigvald: > > > Yes, but only to draw attention towards the *topic* - in that case the > > overlapping panel style, not my person. I have sometimes posted serious > > questions to DCML without getting any response, through that I have learned > > that seriousity may not always be enough to draw attention towards an > > interesting topic. > > I think this is a wrong approach, Sigvald. We have several good discussions on > the DCML every day, all without insulting anyone. > > The truth can be pretty hard to swallow, but it often is that if you say > something VERY interesting, and nobody answers - that is normally because > others are not interested in the same things as you are. If people feel that > they have nothing to contribute with, they often remain silent. > > Take the "best Duck Tales episodes" discussion... I don't think anyone so far > has said anything bad. Someone started a discussion on DuckTales. Many has > contributed to the discusson. I haven't - because I haven't watched much > DuckTales and therefor I haven't much to say about DuckTales. Also, if we count > heads, I'm sure that more than 90% of the DCML still has not said anything in > that DuckTales discussion. Including you, Sigvald. Why is that? Because we > don't feel we have anything to contribute with there. > > So, you're right - seriousity may not always be enough to draw attention > towards a topic. But towards an interesting topic? Well, what is interesting > varies from person to person. In a discussion about the panel style in a recent > Fecchi story, many on the list will be in the position that they haven't read > this story. Others will be in the position that they don't have an opinion > about this panel style. Some people are in the position that they don't have > the time to write to DCML. And many people DON'T answer a question if they have > nothing to contribute with. > > So, what interests you, MAY not interest everybody else. Which is why they > don't answer you. It's as easy as that. > > It does NOT help to ask the same question in a very bad and insulting way. Yes, > you get more attention. But you don't get more attention towards the question, > you get more _negative_ attention towards yourself. > > Sigvald, to take this Fecchi thing. > > You wrote: > "Seen isolated this person's drawings are OK, but the way they are arranged on > each page IMO make stories drawn by this person look awful in any Disney- > magazine. This is because the panels are not arranged properly as in most > Disney comics. In stead the panels seems to be randomly arranged and sometimes > with parts of one panel covering another panel - just like in modern super-hero > comics. Maybe this person thinks that using such a modern style is cool, well I > don't think so at all. Still most stories published in the "Donald Pocket" > books look normal, and I hope they will look so in the future to. If this IMO > lousy Fecchi-style ever becomes the normal look of the stories in the "Donald > Pocket" books Egmont will loose me as a reader of those books, that's for sure!" > > This wasn't even a discussion! You were *stating* that this was bad, using > words like "bad", "awful" and "lousy". > > If you had written e.g.: > "The panels in this story was arranged in a relatively unusual way for a Disney > comic - they're not lined up like panels use to be, but more scrambled, almost > randomly arranged, sometimes with parts of one panel covering another panel - > in other words, in a more modern style, like the one in many super hero comics. > > What do you think of experimenting with the panel style in this way? > Personally, I prefer panels to be lined up properly with white space between > them, like most other stories still have, but what do you think?" > > If you had written something like that - well, I can tell you for sure that _I_ > would have given the same answer as I did this time. I assume Fernando, > Jonathan and Matthew would have done the same - as we have opinions on this, > and is interested in discussing it. To make it clear: I answered you because > the topic was interesting me, NOT because it was written in a negative way. > > As for more attention - well, the fact that you wrote this in such a negative > way, brought you more attention. E.g. you got a few responds from Dani?l. I > don't defend what Dani?l wrote - but he wrote that BECAUSE you wrote your post > in such a negative way. So, you're right - you got more attention by writing it > in a negative way, but is this really the kind of attention you want? > > Cheer up, Sigvald. Happy thoughts. If you write an interesting post in a > serious way, and people don't answer you - that is NOT because your post is too > serious. That is because people don't think what you think is interesting is > interesting, or because they feel they have nothing to add. So, I think the > best for both you and the rest of the list will be if you go back to writing > serious posts. > > > > Olaf > _______________________________________________ > http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml > > From cord at wiljes.de Wed Nov 12 00:15:51 2003 From: cord at wiljes.de (Cord Wiljes) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 00:15:51 +0100 Subject: AW: Bad attention (completely off-topic) In-Reply-To: <002501c3a8a3$97587c00$3e962ac8@fabio> Message-ID: <000001c3a8a9$c0a0aa00$0300a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> This is just your usual reminder that any off-topic discussion may be taken to: http://www.dcml-talk.org Cord From dve at kabelfoon.nl Wed Nov 12 03:05:38 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 03:05:38 +0100 Subject: Bad attention (completely off-topic) Message-ID: <20031112015000.4E3ACBE698@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> OLAF SOLSTRAND to SIGVALD GROSFJELD, 11-11-2003: > Sigvald, to take this Fecchi thing. [...] > As for more attention - well, the fact that you wrote this in > such a negative way, brought you more attention. E.g. you got > a few responds from Dani?l. You still seem to be hopeful in trying to change Sigvald's negative behaviour, replying him with a seemingly infinite patience. I find those extensive efforts very kind, and they show you as a good human, but I'm afraid the only result will be that people get bored of you as well. Sigvald *knows* it's bad behaviour, and he *still* goes on and on. What can you do then? Advice him to change his attitude? It has already been done before. Multiple times! My guess is that, as long as Sigvald keeps on getting room to justify/clarify his bad behaviour, he simply won't learn. Everything has been said, so he can investigate the archives, by rereading his old emails and their replies. In those replies, he has been given more than enough to think about. The situation of giving him new chances has to stop *somewhere*, doesn't it? --- Dani?l From silppuri14 at suomi24.fi Wed Nov 12 08:09:26 2003 From: silppuri14 at suomi24.fi (Lauri Jaakkola) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:09:26 +0200 Subject: $crooge's brother(s) and "brothers" Message-ID: <3FA1F87A00010223@webmail-fi3.sol.no1.asap-asp.net> Rich Bellacera wrote: >It was Don's idea to have Scrooges sister, Matilda, be married to >Ludwig. This solves any real problem one might imagine. >In this way he is legitimate "Uncle" to Donald and the Nephews, and >could still be a "Brother(-in-Law)" to Scrooge. Brilliant. How come I didn't think that? Thank you so much! >However, speaking of "Brothers", there is one you forgot: >"Gideon". A Romano Scarpa creation and "half?-"brother to $crooge. I knew I forgot someone! Never write things if you're not perfectly sure... >Some also make a case for Elvira "Grandma Duck" being his >sister as well. Yes, I know. Here in Finland all the people thought several years that Elvira and $crooge are a sister and a brother. These translation-things remind me happily from my couple misunderstandings. Once Finnish U$ -pocket-size magazine had some history of Ludwig. There was a part which said that Matilda and Ludwig had some romances in the past. I got REALLY upset when I read this, because I thought that Ludwig was $crooge's brother. I thought that Matilda&Ludwig together was something very dirty. =) I almost took my pen and wrote to the mistake-making magazine. Thank goodness the little $crooge McDuck inside of me told me how much the stamps cost. I didn't send my comments. =)) Thank you Rich, thank you! Regards Lauri Jaakkola --------- Times are tough, huh, bud. _______________________________________________________________________ Parhaat hakupalvelut yhdess? osoitteessa: http://www.eniro.fi/ Suomalaisten yritysten tuotteet ja palvelut: http://yritykset.eniro.fi/ From are.myklebust at f1101.aetat.no Wed Nov 12 09:37:47 2003 From: are.myklebust at f1101.aetat.no (Myklebust,Are) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:37:47 +0100 Subject: A question to Sigvald (a serious one)! Message-ID: Sigvald wrote: >I am *not* a physician nor a mathematician, but an historian who in his >studies focused on the 1700th century. You are? Then you are in the position the answer the following question: In Walt Disney's "The Scarecrow" comic books stories (Gold Key) from the 1960's, the action is taking place in England in the late 1700's. In the story "The Scarecrow meets King George" (story code: W SCA 3-02, published in the Norwegian "Walt Disney's M?nedshefte # 9/ 1968") we meet King George III (the British Monarch 1760 - 1820). Is the portrait given of King George in this comic book story accurate? Giving you hereby a chance (but only ONE chance) - if you don't get the message - to say something serious for once, because I totally agree with Harry and Daniel about your mails in this forum! Best, Are Myklebust From lpj at forfatter.dk Wed Nov 12 09:27:20 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:27:20 +0100 Subject: Where does Scrooge sleep? / Barks' Junior Woodchucks stories Message-ID: <00a601c3a8fd$28d5d340$6b749dd9@idb3156> On October 10th, Steven Rowe wrote: > < stories made a sufficiently large impression on readers back then that > these tales got a mention in Jon Gisle's Donaldism book, even though > Gisle didn't know Barks was the writer.>> > > odd - why didnt he know? here in the usa at least, that info was out > at the time... > did usa and european duck fandom not communicate? Gisle's Donaldism book is based on Norwegian publications only and the assumption that things are exactly as they appear to be. For instance, he assumes the contents of the Norwegian weekly are printed in chronological order. This week's stories are seen as being exactly one week younger than last week's stories -- no matter when or in which order the material was originally published in the US. This means, for instance, that when the Norwegian weekly in the 1970s printed some mid-1940s stories by Barks, similar to the ones they had used in the late '40s, Gisle interpreted these tales as newly-made stories where the Disney creators had returned to an early, "ur-Donaldistic" style. Another result of the "things are as they appear to be" approach is that Gisle interprets Barks' 1970s Woodchuck stories as being the work of a newly-hired writer. (Since their ecology-friendly messages make them radically different from anybody else's work -- even the earlier Barks material -- it's easy to understand why he would believe this.) When the weekly soon stops printing this particular type of JW adventures, Gisle's humorous theory is that conservative Disney has had the "radical writer" assassinated. Gisle's book is a wonderful 1970s document on how to approach the Norwegian weekly "scientifically" and has interesting content on various subjects (such as Fethry), but it's not really usable as a source of Duck facts. If you want up-to-date information on Ducks, there are better sources out there. Lars From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Wed Nov 12 11:03:35 2003 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:03:35 +0100 Subject: About centuries Message-ID: Are wrote: > King George III (the British Monarch 1760 - 1820). Note that the 17th century is 1601 - 1700, while King George III was living in the 18th and 19th century. But I'm not sure Sigvald could answer anyway, since he wrote: > I am [a] historian who in his studies focused on the 1700th century. And with the 1700th century being the years 169901 - 170000, I'd rather call him a futurist than a historian. 8-) (No serious answer needed to this mail: I'm only making fun of typos.) --Harry. From timoro at hotmail.com Wed Nov 12 11:31:22 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:31:22 +0200 Subject: Question about original Donad Duck texts Message-ID: Hello! No one has these comic books? No one knows/remembers these? >Hi all! > >I need to know what were in original panels on these duck stories: > >W DDCA 3 -04 (Donald Duck Comic Album) fourth page panel eight, what is the >name of the place mentioned here (Finnish translation says "Cha Cha Hall"). > >DG 33-08 (Dell Giant 3) Have Pencil, Will Travel (1960). Scrooge and Daisy >travels to the some african country which is translated here as >"Bongo-land". What it is in original? (page 2, first panel). > >I ask this because Jukka Lindfors is writing a preface for facsimile book >of collected Aku Ankka magazine's 1962 volume. Thanks in advance! > >Best Wishes >Timo > ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ................................. "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - kaikki yst?v?t klikkauksen p??ss?! Lataa t?st? ilmaiseksi. http://www.msn.fi/viestintapalvelut/Messenger From ggk at wp.pl Wed Nov 12 11:33:33 2003 From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:33:33 +0100 Subject: Ducktales comments and Rumpus References: <3FA1F87A0000F9AC@webmail-fi3.sol.no1.asap-asp.net> Message-ID: <003e01c3a908$6ef75000$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8> > I haven't ever really found out where on the Family Tree should I place Ludwig > van Drake. Someones are telling that he is a brother of Uncle $crooge. Then > $crooge would have two sisters (Hortense&Matilda) and two brothers (Rumpus&Ludwig). > Or is Ludwig van Drake (at least his last name isn't McDuck) > Donald's uncle from the father's side? Or maybe he isn't a relative to anyone. Sow you men his some sort of "Step Uncel" for Donald ? Anny wey I was thinking : If Lulabell Loon (Fethrey mother) last name was Von Drake not Loon... And Ludwig was her brother... Now her a nice place for him. Your's Maciek From timoro at hotmail.com Wed Nov 12 12:11:03 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:11:03 +0200 Subject: Question about original Donad Duck texts Message-ID: >I have these books at home, I'll check them tonight (about 10:00 PM), if >I'm >not too tired to remember. Thanks! There's no rush-rush hurry. I just wanted to know if someone here can give me answers to these, so I can forward the information that information is coming within few days. :-) Thanks again! Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ................................. "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ Tilaa nyt Hotmail postit k?nnykk??si! http://www.msn.fi/mobiili/ From timoro at hotmail.com Wed Nov 12 12:17:50 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:17:50 +0200 Subject: Valuable Duck-book found in margarine crate Message-ID: Valuable Donald Duck book found in old margarine crate: http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article.jhtml?articleID=662589 and http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article.jhtml?articleID=666525 Margarine! :-) Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ................................. "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ Tilaa nyt Hotmail postit k?nnykk??si! http://www.msn.fi/mobiili/ From kyrimis at cti.gr Wed Nov 12 13:01:35 2003 From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:01:35 +0200 Subject: Valuable Duck-book found in margarine crate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FB2211F.8060504@cti.gr> TIMO: > Valuable Donald Duck book found in old margarine crate: !!! = Paulsen sent the comic books to auction firm Skanfil in Oslo I wonder how much convincing it took to make her send the comics to an auction house instead of holding on to them until someone pried them from her dead fingers! > Margarine! :-) Margarine must be pretty important up there in the North: They have their favorite Disney character working in a margarine factory, and people keep their valuables in margarine crates! Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr) ----- "You're trying to rewrite history!" "My handwriting is better than most." ----- From sigvald at duckburg.dk Wed Nov 12 13:26:43 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:26:43 +0200 Subject: SV: Valuable Duck-book found in margarine crate Message-ID: <200311121326.hACDQhcF049304@webmail.dht.dk> timo ronkainen wrote: > Valuable Donald Duck book found in old > margarine crate: Obiously that stupid journalist is wrong! The valuable items are magazines *not* books. Sigvald From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Wed Nov 12 14:35:36 2003 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:35:36 +0100 Subject: Valuable Duck-book found in margarine crate Message-ID: > Obiously that stupid journalist is wrong! Looking for some attention again, Sigvald? Well, here you are. 8-( --Harry. From M.J.Prior at let.rug.nl Wed Nov 12 14:57:04 2003 From: M.J.Prior at let.rug.nl (Michiel Prior) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:57:04 +0100 Subject: $crooge's brothers [and a lot about Ludwig] Message-ID: <3FB24A40.1244.F5A679@localhost> Lauri Jaakkola: > Never write things if you're not perfectly sure... Why not? I can understand if you feel a little uncertain after popping up for the first time, but please don't let that uncertainty prevent you from asking questions or trying to figure things out. If everybody on this mailinglist would feel perfectly sure about everything, there would be no need for discussions, would there? :) And especially when talking about such *obscure* characters like Ludwig von Drake and Gideon McDuck, you shouldn't feel ashamed of not being perfectly sure. I don't know about Finland, but in Holland these characters either don't show up very often or simply don't exist at all. > Once Finnish U$ -pocket-size magazine had some history of > Ludwig. There was a part which said that Matilda and > Ludwig had some romances in the past. Some history? Was this an article or a comic story? A comic story [and a non-Rosa story at that] stating a relationship between Ludwig and Matilda would be something very special, since this relationship is still not 'official' [until it shows up in a comic story, that is]. And I'm afraid Katie's 'Webbed bliss' doesn't count. Speaking of Ludwig, his supposed marriage to Matilda and his absence from "A Letter from Home": one explanation for his absence can be that Ludwig and Matilda just *weren't married yet* when "A Letter from Home" took place. Let's try to figure things out: "A Letter from Home takes" place after "The Crown of the Crusader Kings" which takes place after "The Fabulous Philosopher's Stone" (1955) AND after "Return to Xanadu" which takes place after "The Valley of Tralla-La" (1954) AND after "The Lost Crown of Genghis Khan" (1956). Thus "A Letter from Home" takes place in or after late 1956. [One weak spot in this reasoning is that I deliberately choose to ignore the dates of the trophies in Scrooge's trophy room in "Xanadu" en "Crusaders".] Ludwig's first appearance dates from 1961 and by then he's already Donald's uncle. So, let's suppose Ludwig and Matilda married between 1956 and 1961 and after "A Letter from Home". [I don't know what to make of Ludwig's appearance, without Matilda, in "A little something special" which is supposed to take place in 1952.] Further points for speculation: - Matilda didn't live at Castle McDuck until after "The Old Castle's Secret" (1948). After the death of Scottie McTerrier, there was no one left to guard it, maybe that's why she moved in. - Don Rosa told us that Sir Quackly's ghost doesn't appear in "A Letter from Home". Even *his* absence can be explained. What I know about ghosts is that they're supposed to be the spirits of people that haven't been buried properly. This was true of Sir Quackly, who had managed to seal himself in, and his treasure AND his bones hadn't been found until 1948. Don't you think $crooge must have given his ancestor's bones a proper funeral? [Which is also a proper retribution for the support and advice Sir Quackly gave young $crooge.] After his burial, sir Quackly wouldn't have much reason to keep haunting the Castle. I think this is enough reasoning for today. Had a lot of fun with it, though. I'm pleased to see that, even when every detail seems to have been worked out by Don Rosa, there's still enough room for speculation. Greetings, Michiel Prior. From are.myklebust at f1101.aetat.no Wed Nov 12 15:02:27 2003 From: are.myklebust at f1101.aetat.no (Myklebust,Are) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:02:27 +0100 Subject: Valuable Duck-book found in margarine crate Message-ID: Sigvald wrote: >Ob(v)iously that stupid journalist is wrong! The valuable items are >magazines *not* books. It isn't magazines either! The items are COMIC BOOKS! So the "stupid" journalist is almost correct! Are Myklebust From dve at kabelfoon.nl Wed Nov 12 15:36:06 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:36:06 +0100 Subject: Last advice for Sigvald (OT) Message-ID: <20031112142032.C4A27BE643@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> SIGVALD GROSFJELD to TIMO RONKAINEN, 12-11-2003: > Obiously that stupid journalist is wrong! You just don't want to stop, eh? Let me give you just one last advice: To unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml If there still are people who like your contributions, I'm sure they'll be more than happy to join you in a mailing list of your own, where you can set the rules. --- Dani?l From sigvald at duckburg.dk Wed Nov 12 14:19:27 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:19:27 +0200 Subject: About King George III Message-ID: <200311121419.hACEJRwO049516@webmail.dht.dk> Myklebust,Are wrote: >> I am *not* a physician nor a mathematician, >> but an historian who in his studies focused >> on the 1700th century. Oh, sorry, I meant the 17th century (=the 1600s) and my focus during my final studies was on *Norwegian* history. > You are? > Then you are in the position the answer the > following question: > > In Walt Disney's "The Scarecrow" comic books > stories (Gold Key) from the 1960's, the action > is taking place in England in the late 1700's. > > In the story "The Scarecrow meets King George" > (story code: W SCA 3-02, published in the > Norwegian "Walt Disney's M?nedshefte" 9/ 1968) > we meet King George III (the British Monarch > 1760 - 1820). > > Is the portrait given of King George in this > comic book story accurate? I am sorry that, as I am not familiar with the Scarecrow-series that you are mentioning here and I don't have the Norwegian magazine you are referring to either, I can't be very helpful here. Actually the only Disney-reference to King George III that I can remember having seen before is the one in Don Rosa's "His Majesty McDuck", page 6, panels 5 and 6. King George III is one of the longest ruling monarchs in British history as he ruled for 60 years (1760-1820). During his long reign UK conquered the French colonies in North-America, they lost their colonies in New England (=USA) and finally helped defeating Napoleon. George III himself became blind and temporarily insane in his old days, and was replaced by his son George IV in 1820. George III died in 1829. I have briefly mentioned King George III in part 2 of "Andebys Historie" that I have written for the Danish Donaldist Society. Sigvald From olaf at andebyonline.com Wed Nov 12 15:02:54 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:02:54 +0100 Subject: SV: Valuable Duck-book found in margarine crate In-Reply-To: <200311121326.hACDQhcF049304@webmail.dht.dk> References: <200311121326.hACDQhcF049304@webmail.dht.dk> Message-ID: <1068645774.3fb23d8eca270@imp.webhuset.no> Timo wrote: > > Valuable Donald Duck book found in old > > margarine crate: Sigvald answered: > Obiously that stupid journalist is wrong! The valuable items are magazines > *not* books. If anyone is wrong here, it's Timo, not the journalist. Throughout the entire article, the "stupid" journalist doesn't mention books at all. It's "comic books", which we know is correct. Anyone who bothered to click the link would have seen that. And I don't see why Timo writing "book" instead of "comic book" would make him "stupid". That's a very, very normal typo, I think - at least a very acceptable one. No need to call anyone stupid over that. Olaf From dve at kabelfoon.nl Wed Nov 12 15:49:15 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:49:15 +0100 Subject: Valuable Duck-book found in margarine crate Message-ID: <20031112143337.6CE0CBE62D@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> ARE MYKLEBUST to SIGVALD GROSFJELD, 12-11-2003: >> Ob(v)iously that stupid journalist is wrong! The valuable items are >> magazines *not* books. > It isn't magazines either! The items are COMIC BOOKS! So the "stupid" > journalist is almost correct! I thought you would give Sigvald only ONE chance, as you wrote in your previous email. And I beg you, please keep it that way. --- Dani?l From rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com Wed Nov 12 15:39:41 2003 From: rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com (rodney-selfhelpbikeco@juno.com) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:39:41 GMT Subject: bad behavior Message-ID: <20031112.063949.26542.190032@webmail01.nyc.untd.com> Daniel: >My guess is that, as long as Sigvald keeps on getting room to >justify/clarify his bad behaviour, he simply won't learn. I wonder how many people have left the DCML because his behavior will not be corrected. I know that I've considered it many times. rodney. ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From sigvald at duckburg.dk Wed Nov 12 14:37:45 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:37:45 +0200 Subject: SV: Valuable Duck-book found in margarine crate Message-ID: <200311121437.hACEboWR049602@webmail.dht.dk> Myklebust,Are wrote: >> Ob(v)iously that stupid journalist is wrong! >> The valuable items are magazines *not* books. > > It isn't magazines either! The items are COMIC > BOOKS! So the "stupid" journalist is almost > correct! No she (it's a female journalist we're talking about here) is *NOT* correct. My encyclopaedia says that the definition of a book is "printed material that are tied together to a whole consisting of *at least* 49 pages". The first issue of DD&Co is 20 pages, in the 1950s they were 36 pages ? still far away from being classified as a book. Sigvald From dve at kabelfoon.nl Wed Nov 12 16:00:53 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:00:53 +0100 Subject: SV: Valuable Duck-book found in margarine crate Message-ID: <20031112144516.AFD8EBE676@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> OLAF SOLSTRAND to SIGVALD GROSFJELD, 12-11-2003: >> Obiously that stupid journalist is wrong! The valuable items >> are magazines *not* books. > If anyone is wrong here, it's Timo, not the journalist. I disagree. I certainly don't want to hear that Timo is "wrong". In this context, "wrong" is a very bad word to use. --- Dani?l From harms313 at web.de Wed Nov 12 15:43:38 2003 From: harms313 at web.de (Klaus Harms) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:43:38 +0100 Subject: Off-topic and very off-topic References: <200311121036.hACAZwXS025427@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <3FB2471A.6E14C771@web.de> Hi, The off-topic part: A few weeks (or months?) ago, someone (was it Cord?) put my attention to the new (third) wave of the Disney Treasures DVD edition (region 1 only), which was scheduled to present (among other material) the Chronological Donald Duck, the remaining color Mickey Mouse shorts, and WWII Disney animation. The sets were announced to be released early in December 2003. Now the Walt Disney Company has decided to postpone the release into May of 2004 (reportedly due to capacity and marketing reasons, and not due to censorship issues). On the other hand, some DVDs from the first wave (Silly Symphonies, early color Mickey Mouse shorts) are announced to be released in the UK (region 2). The very off-topic part: Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr. wrote: > This [policy of ignoring a troll] is close to what I will call a rude and > anti-democratic behaviour that doesn't belong in DCML. >From "Things to do on a Comics Message Board" (http://www.quarterbin.net/profiles/pro22.html): > Activity 3: Flaming, Heckling, and Inciting > For some small subsection of Netizens, the Internet provides a rich market for insulting, browbeating, annoying, slandering, and generally harassing their fellow man. The ability to disguise oneself as text attached to an obfuscating handle tempts a such people, whom convention names trolls, to find their own pleasure by creating displeasure in others. > Another variety of troll doesn't necessarily seek the displeasure of others so much as attention in whatever variety they can elicit it. As some children seek what counsellors call "bad attention," so too do some posters who probably passed the age of seeking bad attention many years before. > Since either form of trolling has some reward the troll seeks, strategy suggests that one can discourage trolls by denying him his treat. Whether the treat includes angry and contentious responses or simple attention, the principle fire follows fuel (or, less politely, effluvia attract flies) suggests starving the troll should serve somewhat to discourage his unwanted behavior. PLONK! (and this time you stay in my kill filter forever!) Klaus From M.J.Prior at let.rug.nl Wed Nov 12 15:46:37 2003 From: M.J.Prior at let.rug.nl (Michiel Prior) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:46:37 +0100 Subject: A question on time (was: Re: $crooge's brothers [and about Ludwig]) Message-ID: <3FB255DC.8527.140AC39@localhost> Olaf replied to my message, but he forgot to send it also to the mailinglist, so that's why I'm forwarding this for him. I planned to add a short comment at the end of this message, but it got rather long, so I'll post that later. Michiel. ------- Forwarded message follows ------- Date sent: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:49:31 +0100 From: Olaf Solstrand To: m.j.prior at student.rug.nl Subject: A question on time (was: Re: $crooge's brothers [and a lot about Ludwig]) Michiel to Lauri: > Let's try to figure things out: "A Letter from Home takes" place > after "The Crown of the Crusader Kings" which takes place > after "The Fabulous Philosopher's Stone" (1955) AND after > "Return to Xanadu" which takes place after "The Valley of > Tralla-La" (1954) AND after "The Lost Crown of Genghis > Khan" (1956). Thus "A Letter from Home" takes place in or > after late 1956. [One weak spot in this reasoning is that I > deliberately choose to ignore the dates of the trophies in > Scrooge's trophy room in "Xanadu" en "Crusaders".] > > Ludwig's first appearance dates from 1961 and by then he's > already Donald's uncle. So, let's suppose Ludwig and Matilda > married between 1956 and 1961 and after "A Letter from > Home". [I don't know what to make of Ludwig's appearance, > without Matilda, in "A little something special" which is > supposed to take place in 1952.] I notice one thing about your speculations which I see very often... We all say that this Don Rosa-story finds place in the early 1950's, this story finds place in the late 1950's... Even though we know they're written in the 1990's. I have no problem with that. No problem at all. But why doesn't this "theory" include that other stories, like Barks' ones, are as flexible as that? I mean... as long as you say openly that a story written in 2003 can be happening in 1950-something, why is it so unlikely that a story written in 1956 could be happening in 1950? Only because that story is written by Carl Barks and not by Don Rosa? I just find it strange, as I feel the normal attitude is "this story is written in 2000 and is taking place appr. 1950, but it is a follow-up to a story written in 1955, thus it must be happening after 1955". Not meant to criticize any time theory, I just wonder why it's so normal to use two so different theories so close together. I've always thought of Carl Barks' stories as finding place not far away from each other cronologically - even though they span over more than twenty years. Olaf ------- End of forwarded message ------- From sigvald at duckburg.dk Wed Nov 12 14:52:48 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:52:48 +0200 Subject: SV: Re: SV: Valuable Duck-book found in margarine crate Message-ID: <200311121452.hACEqmHY049647@webmail.dht.dk> Olaf Solstrand wrote: > If anyone is wrong here, it's Timo, not the > journalist. I don't think that Timo is to be blamed here - he was confused by the IMO wrong expression used by that journalist. > Throughout the entire article, the "stupid" > journalist doesn't mention books at all. It's > "comic books", which we know is correct. No, Olaf! Take a look in a Norwegian encyclopaedia. A book consists of *at least* 49 pages. Comics has nothing at all to do with that definition. Norwegian Disney-publications which I would put into the expression "comic book" is of this kind: Donald Pocket Skrue Pocket B-Gjengen pocket Mammutb?kene Jeg, Donald Duck, etc. Gullb?kene De komplette ?rganger Sigvald From olaf at andebyonline.com Wed Nov 12 15:32:01 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:32:01 +0100 Subject: Valuable Duck-book found in margarine crate In-Reply-To: <20031112144516.AFD8EBE676@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> References: <20031112144516.AFD8EBE676@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Message-ID: <1068647521.3fb24461ddae1@imp.webhuset.no> Quoting Daniel van Eijmeren : > > If anyone is wrong here, it's Timo, not the journalist. > > I disagree. I certainly don't want to hear that Timo is "wrong". > In this context, "wrong" is a very bad word to use. Oops - naturally, you're right. I was just trying to point out that what Sigvald claimed to be "wrong" here, was correct in the article. So... my tongue slipped, and I said something I shouldn't have said. Sorry, Timo. Sorry, everybody. If you accept my excuse, that is (I realize that accepting excuses can be pretty tough on the DCML right now). Oh, and, Sigvald: > No she (it's a female journalist we're talking about here) is *NOT* correct. > My encyclopaedia says that the definition of a book is "printed material > that are tied together to a whole consisting of *at least* 49 pages". The > first issue of DD&Co is 20 pages, in the 1950s they were 36 pages ? still > far away from being classified as a book. That is *book*. We're talking about *comic books*. The definition of a comic book, according to Encarta, is "a magazine that consists almost entirely of stories told in a series of colored panels in which balloons over the characters? heads provide dialogue and the thoughts of the characters". Olaf From neuro.mante at virgilio.it Wed Nov 12 16:00:25 2003 From: neuro.mante at virgilio.it (dario) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:00:25 +0100 Subject: Question about a Barks's story: W US 19-04 Gyros Builds a Better House Message-ID: <002601c3a92d$d30098c0$6200a8c0@hal9000> Hi to everybody, Excuse me, but my english is not very good. I have a question about the story W US 19-04 "Gyros Builds a Better House". Carl Barks has drawn some sheets of paper, on the ground. There are 3 of them (page 2: second and third panels, page 3: sixth panel). These sheets of paper are postal letters, with the sender's name in show. They don't have any bond with the plot of the history. I have read the Italian version published on ZIO PAPERONE 7: the names of the senders are: ALICE CALLOUS CORVALUS (or perhaps CALLOLIS CORVALLIS), FLORE FLOUNCY Of KOKOMO, CLAMMY SAMMY Of ALABAMMY). Are these letters also present in the original version of the story? If yes, what is the meaning of these letters? Perhaps a homage to some fanses? Thanks for the attention! Best regards to everybody!!! From dve at kabelfoon.nl Wed Nov 12 16:25:11 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:25:11 +0100 Subject: bad behavior Message-ID: <20031112150933.4B410BE588@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> RODNEY BOWCOCK to me, 12-11-2003: >> My guess is that, as long as Sigvald keeps on getting room to >> justify/clarify his bad behaviour, he simply won't learn. > I wonder how many people have left the DCML because his behavior > will not be corrected. I know that I've considered it many times. Me too! And I'm getting *very* cynical about this situation. Apparently, there are no rules on DCML. Everyone can do whatever he/she pleases. Come to think of it, maybe the time has come to present my 150Mb plain text life story, in chunks on this mailing list. How many digests would that be? If you don't like what I do, you're free to pull your hairs out, or to start a riot of your own. That's how the system seems to be working. :-( --- Dani?l From dve at kabelfoon.nl Wed Nov 12 16:32:12 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:32:12 +0100 Subject: Valuable Duck-book found in margarine crate Message-ID: <20031112151634.7AAA5BE6C6@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> OLAF SOLSTRAND, 12-11-2003: > Sorry, Timo. Sorry, everybody. If you accept my excuse, that > is (I realize that accepting excuses can be pretty tough on > the DCML right now). It's MUCH easier to *stop* feeding Sigvald, Olaf. And I *beg* you to *finally* do that. Enough is enough. --- Dani?l From M.J.Prior at let.rug.nl Wed Nov 12 16:30:42 2003 From: M.J.Prior at let.rug.nl (Michiel Prior) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:30:42 +0100 Subject: Olaf's question on time Message-ID: <3FB26032.20778.1690B6D@localhost> Hi Olaf, Well, hm, *my* reason for pinning Barks' stories down to their exact date of publication is that I need *some* dates to be exact, otherwise there isn't any logical reasoning possible. Without dates, the reasoning would be something like "Ludwig lives in Duckburg and Matilda in Scotland and we never see them together and all this takes place somewhere in the 20th century in an unidentified steady- flowing timeloop and it isn't possible to place any story before or after another", which is also fine, because then there's less logic to bother about. For such 'games of logic' as my attempt to pin down a date for Matilda's marriage and such, one *needs* 'exact' dates to *exclude* other possibilities. The fun is that those stories weren't intended to be absolutely logical and show logical interdependency, and still one is able to attempt AND find a possible logical structure to connect them. The fun is that Don Rosa simply wasn't allowed to show Ludwig, but that doesn't matter, because the story still makes sense (allright, nobody's seen it yet) and one can still have a go on it by approaching it in a 'logical' way and finding a 'logical' reason for his absence. One could say "Ludwig has lived forever in Duckburg", but I prefer to say "Ludwig arrived in Duckburg in 1961" [a Strobl story]. I don't think I have answered your question yet, Olaf. I think the answer is: the logical game won't work if all stories have 'stretchable' dates. Which dates one chooses *not* to stretch is a matter of preference. Greetings, Michiel Prior. From timoro at hotmail.com Wed Nov 12 16:46:06 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:46:06 +0200 Subject: SV: Valuable Duck-book found in margarine crate Message-ID: >Obiously that stupid journalist is wrong! The valuable items are magazines >*not* books. Err.. comic book is called a book in English, even though it is not a book. Comic book = magazine with comics, comic album or graphic novel = book with comics. Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ................................. "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ Tilaa nyt Hotmail postit k?nnykk??si! http://www.msn.fi/mobiili/ From timoro at hotmail.com Wed Nov 12 16:54:16 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:54:16 +0200 Subject: SV: Valuable Duck-book found in margarine crate Message-ID: >And I don't see why Timo writing "book" instead of "comic book" would make I just dropped "comic" off to make subject line shorter. My intention was good... Oh gee whizz... I would say... big deal.... Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ................................. "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ Tilaa nyt Hotmail postit k?nnykk??si! http://www.msn.fi/mobiili/ From sigvald at duckburg.dk Wed Nov 12 15:54:12 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:54:12 +0200 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <200311121554.hACFsCYY049875@webmail.dht.dk> Hi all! Lately I have received many comments and advice concerning the situation on DCML. Some have been ignorant, simplifying and conclusive at the same level of communication as I have often been accused for representing. I am for the mostly ignoring such messages - just like many people here seems to ignore mine of the same standards. However the rest of the messages have still made me stop and think through the whole situation. I have asked myself an essential question: ? what do I loose if I actually leave DCML? I think that apart from the ability to address the forum I will probably not loose much. I can still use Google to follow the debates in the forum, and I can still use ordinary e-mail in order to address my friends with questions or comments of any kind. That actually worked excellent before I joined DCML. ********** Therefore I have decided to leave DCML from this point. ********** PS! Please notice that the rudeness shown by the Dutch DCML-mafia lately has nothing what so ever to do with my decision ? I actually strongly thought about remaining in DCML just to show that they can't dictate my personal decisions. Sigvald From sigvald at duckburg.dk Wed Nov 12 15:56:31 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:56:31 +0200 Subject: I am leaving DCML Message-ID: <200311121556.hACFuVpH049900@webmail.dht.dk> Hi all! Lately I have received many comments and advice concerning the situation on DCML. Some have been ignorant, simplifying and conclusive at the same level of communication as I have often been accused for representing. I am for the mostly ignoring such messages - just like many people here seems to ignore mine of the same standards. However the rest of the messages have still made me stop and think through the whole situation. I have asked myself an essential question: ? what do I loose if I actually leave DCML? I think that apart from the ability to address the forum I will probably not loose much. I can still use Google to follow the debates in the forum, and I can still use ordinary e-mail in order to address my friends with questions or comments of any kind. That actually worked excellent before I joined DCML. Therefore I have decided to leave DCML from this point. PS! Please notice that the rudeness shown by the Dutch DCML-mafia lately has nothing what so ever to do with my decision ? I actually strongly thought about remaining in DCML just to show that they can't dictate my personal decisions. Sigvald From timoro at hotmail.com Wed Nov 12 17:05:26 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 18:05:26 +0200 Subject: Valuable Duck-book found in margarine crate Message-ID: Olaf: >Sorry, Timo. Sorry, everybody. If you accept my excuse, that is (I realize >that >accepting excuses can be pretty tough on the DCML right now). Accepted. You have to do better (or perhaps worse?) to hurt me ;-) I'm just puzzled how these things go on side track. Main thing and topic gets forgotten... Sigh. It doesn't matter if it's book or magazine or whatever... Main thing was that they were duck items and valuable and kept in *margarine* crate. OK... enough of this. Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ................................. "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - kaikki yst?v?t klikkauksen p??ss?! Lataa t?st? ilmaiseksi. http://www.msn.fi/viestintapalvelut/Messenger From cord at wiljes.de Wed Nov 12 16:59:07 2003 From: cord at wiljes.de (Cord Wiljes) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:59:07 +0100 Subject: Comic books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c3a935$e807ec20$0300a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> Timo wrote: > Err.. comic book is called a book in English, even though it > is not a book. And even though it may not be comic at all. Most comic books today are neither comic nor are they books. Ils sont fous, ces Anglais ;-) Cord From cord at wiljes.de Wed Nov 12 17:02:01 2003 From: cord at wiljes.de (Cord Wiljes) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:02:01 +0100 Subject: AW: Off-topic and very off-topic In-Reply-To: <3FB2471A.6E14C771@web.de> Message-ID: <000301c3a936$4fcf0000$0300a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> Klaus Harms wrote: > A few weeks (or months?) ago, someone (was it Cord?) put > my attention to the new (third) wave of the Disney Treasures > DVD edition. More info here: http://www.dcml-talk.org/read.php?f=1&i=175&t=175 Cord From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Wed Nov 12 17:10:26 2003 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:10:26 +0100 Subject: I am leaving DCML Message-ID: Shall we have a bet about how long it takes before Sigvald sends a mail to DCML again? 8-) On behalf of the entire Dutch DCML-mafia, --Harry. From rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com Wed Nov 12 17:14:55 2003 From: rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com (rodney-selfhelpbikeco@juno.com) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:14:55 GMT Subject: comic book or comic magazine Message-ID: <20031112.081531.5566.477123@webmail18.nyc.untd.com> >No she (it's a female journalist we're talking about here) is *NOT* >correct. I don't care what your encyclopedia calls it, in this country (and obviously in other countries) they've always been called COMIC BOOKS. The phone directories in the United States list COMIC BOOK STORES, not COMIC MAGAZINE STORES. Of course, I suppose now, you're going to attempt to prove the popular culture for the entire Western and European world wrong by spouting uninteresting facts to prove that they're actually magazines (which they are....but they're still called comic BOOKS). rodney. ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From donrosa at iglou.com Wed Nov 12 17:28:07 2003 From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:28:07 -0500 Subject: the last straw In-Reply-To: <200311121535.hACFZIXR018982@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: Sigvald is a very nice fellow (in person) and apparently one of my "biggest fans". And he operates probably the best Rosa fansite out there which makes me very proud. But his inability to communicate in writing with anyone in a normal manner constantly embarrasses me. This ML virtually *never* had a harsh word on it until Sigvald joined. Since then, his ineptitude in knowing how to properly phrase his opinions has also made me, like others, want to stop reading these messages. But I continue, not out of any pleasure I still derive from the Digests (which is pretty much gone now), but only to keep checking to see if anyone poses any questions they wish me to respond to. I don't know what Sigvald's personal problems are, and I wish I could help him. But as you can see, nothing we say to him seems to sink in, and nothing even I say to him in private has any effect on his behavior. And yes, I have suggested to him in the past that he become a lurker-only on this ML, though I expressed this to him privately to spare him any embarrassment. At one point I even thought it worked, but not for long. And in all fairness to Sigvald, if others stopped the pointless bickering with him, if we just ignored his poor behavior, there'd be no problem. So he is not 100% to blame for this situation. But he is *definitely* the catalyst. And to ask other people not to respond to such constant and clearly poor behavior is not fair to them. I've finally decided it is just *too unfair* to the other members of this once pleasant list for Sigvald to continue with his disruptive "communication style". I have again begged him to get off the ML for good, but it doesn't help. So... all I can tell you is that I have told my good friend Sigvald that if he continues to be a member of this group, I will no longer communicate with him. I hate to do this to my friend and biggest fan, and I hope I am not scuttling that superb Rosa-fansite he operates... but restoring the pleasant nature of this ML is more important than that. Other people have rights, too. And that's the best I can do. If that doesn't work, we must leave it up to Per's discretion. What a shame........... From olaf at andebyonline.com Wed Nov 12 16:59:44 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:59:44 +0100 Subject: Valuable Duck-book found in margarine crate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1068652784.3fb258f01ccba@imp.webhuset.no> Quoting timo ronkainen : > It doesn't matter if it's book or magazine or whatever... Main thing was > that they were duck items and valuable and kept in *margarine* crate. > OK... enough of this. At andebyonline.com, we've been discussing this issue for a few days. The question raised most is: "If you found the first years of Donald Duck & Co in a margarine box - would you sell them?" Most people say no. Others have said "It's easy to say no when you don't have the magazines - 250.000 kroner is lots of money! Besides, the same comic books are collected and printed in hardcover books now, so why keep on to the originals when you can get so much money for them?". Personally... well, I would most certainly not *sell* these comics if I had them. If I would *buy* them is a different issue, and I guess the answer would be "I would strongly concider it if I could afford it". Which is why I hate auctions - everything good goes to those who have money. I don't. Olaf From cord at wiljes.de Wed Nov 12 17:24:05 2003 From: cord at wiljes.de (Cord Wiljes) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:24:05 +0100 Subject: Margarine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000401c3a939$6551de40$0300a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> Timo wrote: > It doesn't matter if it's book or magazine or whatever... > Main thing was that they were duck items and valuable > and kept in *margarine* crate. OK... enough of this. BTW: "margarine" is quite a funny word. Its the same in German with identical spelling. How international is "Margarine"? Where does the word come from? Cord From donrosa at iglou.com Wed Nov 12 17:35:24 2003 From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:35:24 -0500 Subject: more misfortune In-Reply-To: <200311121535.hACFZIXR018982@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: ... and now *just* as I sent my previous message off to the ML, I receive a form-message from Sigvald (which apparently was also sent to the ML and will precede my other message on the next Digest) saying that he has agreed to leave the DCML. I think that's wise... but I wish that he had made that decision about 5 minutes earlier and prevented me from sending my message-of-frustration to the public newsgroup. Well, that's how these things work out....... Here's to a better situation from this point onward...... From olaf at andebyonline.com Wed Nov 12 17:20:08 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:20:08 +0100 Subject: Margarine In-Reply-To: <000401c3a939$6551de40$0300a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> References: <000401c3a939$6551de40$0300a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> Message-ID: <1068654008.3fb25db83056c@imp.webhuset.no> Quoting Cord Wiljes : > BTW: "margarine" is quite a funny word. Its the same in German with > identical spelling. How international is "Margarine"? Where does the > word come from? I wrote an answer to you where it belongs, Cord... at dcml-talk.org. http://www.dcml-talk.org/read.php?f=1&i=201&t=201 From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Wed Nov 12 17:50:48 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:50:48 +0100 Subject: Question about a Barks's story: W US 19-04 Gyros Builds a BetterHouse References: <002601c3a92d$d30098c0$6200a8c0@hal9000> Message-ID: <005101c3a93d$1fbd3a60$f6f0fdc1@computer> Hi everyone! (Maybe I ought to yell so that I'll be heard over the clamor? I hope not) Dario: >>> I have a question about the story W US 19-04 "Gyros Builds a Better House". >>> Carl Barks has drawn some sheets of paper, on the ground. >>> There are 3 of them (page 2: second and third panels, page 3: sixth panel). >>> These sheets of paper are postal letters, with the sender's name in show. >>> Are these letters also present in the original version of the story? They sure are. p 2 panel 2: "Callous Alice from Corvallis" p 2 panel 3: "Flouncy Flo From Kokomo" p 3 panel 6: "Clammy Sammy from Alabammy" >>> If yes, what is the meaning of these letters? >>> Perhaps a homage to some fanses? They're just puns for the sake of it; I can't imagine anyone really being called "Flouncy Flo". I have the faint remembrance of such puns being mentionned on the DCML a few months ago, but certainly couldn't tell you when by whom and about what. You can find more such letters & puns in a few other stories; I'm sure I've seen some recently, but can't remember in which story, and I don't have time to search-- sorry. The fun here consists in making up funny names and addresses with alliterations, unusual and funny-sounding places (Kokomo) and phonetic transcriptions (Alabammy). They are just like the inventions in Gyro's workshop (eg, "August Accident", Mickey Mouse Almanac 1, Dec '57: the gold separator that separates "Sane Gold" from "Fool's Gold") or the pictures in Uncle Scrooge's office ("Bum Dollar", "Fast Buck"-- treasure hunt time! find the stories! ie, I don't remember where these are from, sorry). All the best, Olivier From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Wed Nov 12 17:55:54 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:55:54 +0100 Subject: bad behavior - 150Mb biography (?) References: <20031112150933.4B410BE588@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Message-ID: <005c01c3a93d$d648cba0$f6f0fdc1@computer> Dani?l: >>> Come to think of it, maybe the time has come to present my 150Mb >>> plain text life story, in chunks on this mailing list. Aw, c'm'on, your life can't take 150Mb to tell in plain text! I'm sure most of those Mb are really taken up by story indexes and quotation quizes! ;oD A compilation of said quizes would be a nice feature for a web page, actually. Olivier From timoro at hotmail.com Wed Nov 12 18:02:23 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:02:23 +0200 Subject: Question about a Barks's story: W US 19-04 Gyros Builds a BetterHouse Message-ID: >Carl Barks has drawn some sheets of paper, on the ground. >There are 3 of them (page 2: second and third panels, page 3: sixth panel). >These sheets of paper are postal letters, with the sender's name in show. Finnish 1959 edition omits them completely and 1977 edition shows only white blank letter envelopes. I'm anxious to hear what was in original. Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ................................. "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - kaikki yst?v?t klikkauksen p??ss?! Lataa t?st? ilmaiseksi. http://www.msn.fi/viestintapalvelut/Messenger From timoro at hotmail.com Wed Nov 12 18:11:01 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:11:01 +0200 Subject: Margarine (OT) Message-ID: Cord: >BTW: "margarine" is quite a funny word. Its the same in German with >identical spelling. How international is "Margarine"? Where does the >word come from? Merriam-Webster says: Etymology: French, ultimately from Greek margaron pearl, probably back-formation from margaritEs Date: 1873 : a food product made usually from vegetable oils churned with ripened skim milk to a smooth emulsion and used like butter Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ................................. "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - kaikki yst?v?t klikkauksen p??ss?! Lataa t?st? ilmaiseksi. http://www.msn.fi/viestintapalvelut/Messenger From timoro at hotmail.com Wed Nov 12 18:15:44 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:15:44 +0200 Subject: Valuable Duck-book found in margarine crate Message-ID: >At andebyonline.com, we've been discussing this issue for a few days. The >question raised most is: "If you found the first years of Donald Duck & Co >in a >margarine box - would you sell them?" I guess I would sell them. With that money I could buy those hardcover collections and Carl Barks library. :-) Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ................................. "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - kaikki yst?v?t klikkauksen p??ss?! Lataa t?st? ilmaiseksi. http://www.msn.fi/viestintapalvelut/Messenger From spe at inducks.org Wed Nov 12 18:24:22 2003 From: spe at inducks.org (Stefan Persson) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 18:24:22 +0100 Subject: bad behavior - 150Mb biography (?) In-Reply-To: <005c01c3a93d$d648cba0$f6f0fdc1@computer> References: <20031112150933.4B410BE588@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> <005c01c3a93d$d648cba0$f6f0fdc1@computer> Message-ID: <3FB26CC6.2070901@inducks.org> Olivier wrote: > Dani?l: >>>>Come to think of it, maybe the time has come to present my 150Mb >>>>plain text life story, in chunks on this mailing list. > Aw, c'm'on, your life can't take 150Mb to tell in plain text! I'm sure most > of those Mb are really taken up by story indexes and quotation quizes! ;oD > A compilation of said quizes would be a nice feature for a web page, > actually. 150 Mb (megabits) ? 20 MB (megabytes), which doesn't sound to be too much IMHO. Stefan From mortenjo at ifi.uio.no Wed Nov 12 18:23:44 2003 From: mortenjo at ifi.uio.no (Morten Lied Johansen) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 18:23:44 +0100 (CET) Subject: Valuable Duck-book found in margarine crate In-Reply-To: <1068652784.3fb258f01ccba@imp.webhuset.no> References: <1068652784.3fb258f01ccba@imp.webhuset.no> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, Olaf Solstrand wrote: > At andebyonline.com, we've been discussing this issue for a few days. > The question raised most is: "If you found the first years of Donald > Duck & Co in a margarine box - would you sell them?" Most people say > no. Others have said "It's easy to say no when you don't have the > magazines - 250.000 kroner is lots of money! Besides, the same comic > books are collected and printed in hardcover books now, so why keep on > to the originals when you can get so much money for them?". My personal preference when it comes to comic books is that I want them for the stories... which means that to *me*, I don't care if it's the original first issue, or a reprint of that same issue... I'm in it for the stories, which are the same in both versions. So personally... I'd sell it in a heartbeat, and use the money to buy more comics! \o/ -- Morten No Books Are Lost By Lending Except Those You Particularly Wanted To Keep. -- Atwoods Corollary From nicodemuslegend at cp.fuller.edu Wed Nov 12 18:20:51 2003 From: nicodemuslegend at cp.fuller.edu (Mark Wright) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:20:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: Don's "last straw" Message-ID: <7533585.1068657651917.JavaMail.nicodemuslegend@cp.fuller.edu> Don, I wanted to express my sympathy after reading your last letter. While I join many others in my frustration at certain posters' continued rudeness, I know that it can't have been an easy thing to come to the decision you have. Embarrased or not, it is never fun to have to tell someone who you have been friendly with that you will have to cease communication with that person. I hope that things work out (for all of us). In a more positive vein, I got married a couple of months ago, and have had great joy in sharing my collection of Rosa stories with my new wife. She has already enjoyed "The Black Knight" and "Guardians of the Lost Library." Tell Ann (under whom I had 8th grade Social Studies many years ago) "hi" for me! Mark Baker-Wright (formerly just "Mark Wright", but marriage has a way of changing these things...) --------------------------------------- SOT Faculty Assistant: Fuller Theological Seminary G.B. Blackrock's Transformers Page: http://home.earthlink.net/~gbblackrock/ From ksaarto at mbnet.fi Wed Nov 12 18:38:55 2003 From: ksaarto at mbnet.fi (Kai Saarto) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:38:55 +0200 Subject: the last straw Message-ID: <3FB2702F.1090400@mbnet.fi> Don Rosa wrote: > Sigvald is a very nice fellow (in person) and apparently one of my > "biggest > fans". And he operates probably the best Rosa fansite out there which > makes > me very proud. > Don obviously is yet to receive Sigvald's message about quitting the ML. Still, I must agree with Don. Its a shame it had to come to this, but Sigvald was continuously insulting people and even nations. I'm personally glad if I don't have to read such messages ever again in this list. I was at one point thinking about quitting myself, because of the useless arguing he was creating, then I used message filtering to simply delete all messages by him for a while... after a while I decided to give his his messages an another chance. No good. Still, I wish Sigvald could have changed his ways, but alas ... it was impossible for him. Therefore, I respect his decision to leave - the only reasonable thing to do, since he can't restrain himself. And like Don said, he maintains an excellent web-site. Too bad he can't work in a public forum. After saying that: Goodbye Sigvald, I wish the best for you in the future. Hopefully this change will finally create a more welcoming and friendly atmosphere - the one I've heard about in the stories told by the ancient members. -- - Kai Saarto http://www.go.to/donrosa From donrosa at iglou.com Wed Nov 12 18:41:22 2003 From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:41:22 -0500 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 26 In-Reply-To: <200311121632.hACGWZXR024564@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: > From: Olaf Solstrand > Subject: Re: Valuable Duck-book found in margarine crate > At andebyonline.com, we've been discussing this issue for a few days. The > question raised most is: "If you found the first years of Donald > Duck & Co in a > margarine box - would you sell them?" Most people say no. The older members of this ML will recall that I once found the first ten issues of KALLE ANKA & CO. in the "miscellaneous" (not "margarine", but close) box of a comic dealer at a convention. They were $10 each, not because anyone in America wanted them, but simply because they were such old MINT FILE COPIES -- they had belonged to a Gutenberghus employee who moved to America about 40 years ago and had given the issues to a babysitter just for fun. That kid sold them for pennies to this comic dealer. I bought them just to rescue them from oblivion. During one trip to Sweden, I loaned them to a toy/children's literature museum in Stockholm where (I assume!) they are still on display. (Somebody go check!) I don't know if I'll sell them or eventually donate them to some archive, but all I knew was that they belonged back home in Sweden, not in Texas! From arcade at kvinesdal.com Wed Nov 12 19:13:07 2003 From: arcade at kvinesdal.com (Rune Kristian Viken) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:13:07 +0100 Subject: I am leaving DCML In-Reply-To: <200311121556.hACFuVpH049900@webmail.dht.dk> References: <200311121556.hACFuVpH049900@webmail.dht.dk> Message-ID: <200311121913.07798.arcade@kvinesdal.com> Onsdag 12. november 2003 15:56 skreiv Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr.: > Therefore I have decided to leave DCML from this point. /me pops a bottle of champagne. Maybe I'll be able to read the list again without tearing out my hair again. -- Rune Kristian Viken From vazali at yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 19:19:14 2003 From: vazali at yahoo.com (Katie Sullivan) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:19:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: LOL! In-Reply-To: <200311121036.hACAZwXR025427@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <20031112181914.53840.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com> Lauri wrote: > Once Finnish U$ -pocket-size magazine had some history of > Ludwig. There was > a part which said that Matilda and Ludwig had some romances in > the past. > I got REALLY upset when I read this, because I thought that > Ludwig was $crooge's > brother. I thought that Matilda&Ludwig together was something > very dirty. > =) I almost took my pen and wrote to the mistake-making > magazine. Thank goodness > the little $crooge McDuck inside of me told me how much the > stamps cost. > I didn't send my comments. =)) LOL! See the bizarre things that can happen from a lack of continuity? ;-D Katie __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From vazali at yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 19:24:35 2003 From: vazali at yahoo.com (Katie Sullivan) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:24:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 9, Issue 24 In-Reply-To: <200311121434.hACEY6XR012686@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <20031112182435.8214.qmail@web41503.mail.yahoo.com> > 6. Re: $crooge's brothers [and a lot about Ludwig] (Michiel > Prior) ... > Some history? Was this an article or a comic story? > A comic story [and a non-Rosa story at that] stating a > relationship between Ludwig and Matilda would be something > very special, since this relationship is still not 'official' > [until it > shows up in a comic story, that is]. And I'm afraid Katie's > 'Webbed bliss' doesn't count. LOL!! I'm just flattered you saw and remembered his cameo! ;-D > [I don't know what to make of Ludwig's appearance, > without Matilda, in "A little something special" which is > supposed to take place in 1952.] I just assumed that she was still too mad at Scrooge to come to the jubilee, while Ludvig was more forgiving and came for the nephews' sake, if nothing else. > Don't you think $crooge must have given his ancestor's bones a > proper funeral? [Which is also a proper retribution for the > support and advice Sir Quackly gave young $crooge.] After his > burial, sir Quackly wouldn't have much reason to keep > haunting the Castle. I like this idea! Thank you, Michiel, for a very interesting and well-thought-out post in the midst of some unpleasantness. :) Katie Sullivan http://www.sullivanet.com/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Wed Nov 12 19:54:57 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:54:57 +0100 Subject: Valuable Duck-book found in margarine crate References: <1068652784.3fb258f01ccba@imp.webhuset.no> Message-ID: <000a01c3a94e$77a74520$948f3351@computer> Olaf: >>> At andebyonline.com, we've been discussing this issue for a few days. The >>> question raised most is: "If you found the first years of Donald Duck & Co in a >>> margarine box - would you sell them?" Most people say no. Same here. I hold onto to the little I have, I'll raise my children (when have some) to love such healthy things as Disney comics, and just to be sure I'll place a curse on all my beloved belongings to deter my descendents from parting with them. ;) >>>Others have >>> said "It's easy to say no when you don't have the magazines - 250.000 kroner is >>> lots of money! Besides, the same comic books are collected and printed in >>> hardcover books now, so why keep on to the originals when you can get so much >>> money for them?". Good point I guess. Well, let's say I might consider it if I had 2 copies of such a magazine. Even then, I think I'd rather try to find someine who "deserves" it, that is to say, not I wouldn't sell it to someone who is just out there to make a quick buck by investing in whatever seems financially interesting-- whether funny-shaped potatoes, hideous statues, or images of talking mice and ducks. I guess the very best choice would be a museum (of comics, for instance). Olivier From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Wed Nov 12 20:01:01 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:01:01 +0100 Subject: bad behavior - 150Mb biography (?) References: <20031112150933.4B410BE588@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> <005c01c3a93d$d648cba0$f6f0fdc1@computer> <3FB26CC6.2070901@inducks.org> Message-ID: <003801c3a94f$5129a4a0$948f3351@computer> Hi Stefan! >>> 150 Mb (megabits) ? 20 MB (megabytes), which doesn't sound to be too >>> much IMHO. I didn't notice. I guess Dani?l meant MegaBytes, as I did, to make it really funny. Actually, I'm not even sure I ever noticed this difference, though it's no surprise that b & B should stand for bits & bytes. I guess I either never paid attention, or that quite often the messages I read omitted the capital but the unit was obvious. Thanks for calling my attention on this point! Olivier From dve at kabelfoon.nl Wed Nov 12 20:16:59 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:16:59 +0100 Subject: My life and times - part 1/150000000 Message-ID: <20031112190121.4CC5419FCAF@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> OLIVIER to me, 12-11-2003: >> Come to think of it, maybe the time has come to present my 150Mb >> plain text life story, in chunks on this mailing list. > Aw, c'm'on, your life can't take 150Mb to tell in plain text! What!?! How dare you! As I now will prove, this has been the most offensive comment I've ever read in my whole life story!!! > I'm sure most of those Mb are really taken up by story indexes > and quotation quizes! ;oD > A compilation of said quizes would be a nice feature for a > web page, actually. Go ahead, I'd say! :-P STEFAN PERSSON to OLIVIER, 12-11-2003: > 150 Mb (megabits) ??? 20 MB (megabytes), which doesn't sound to be > too much IMHO. Do you have more tell, then? I bet you don't! :-) Well, here goes, "My life and times", in chunks of about 1KB each. MY BIRTH On a nice summer day in 1973, with a remarkably bright star rising up in the otherwise dark sky, a lovely intelligent baby boy was born. And only a few hours later, church bells were chiming all over the world, to mark this day. August 5. (Note that the Dutch publisher had not yet published all 52 Donald Duck Weeklies of 1973, at that moment. Just to keep at least a bit on-topic.) And the boy was given the name Dani?l, because it was believed Esther would have been more a name for a girl. To be continued... --- Dani?l "Donald! You're going to be sorrreeeeee!" Which Barks story? :-) From rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com Wed Nov 12 20:15:17 2003 From: rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com (rodney-selfhelpbikeco@juno.com) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:15:17 GMT Subject: The November Gemstone books Message-ID: <20031112.111521.21043.86702@webmail05.nyc.untd.com> Last weekend, as temperatures dipped down to the coldest they've been this season, I made some hot chocolate and read my latest batch of Gemstone Disney books which had arrived the day before. I must say that I'm really enjoying the newer stories, and I thought it might be a nice diversion from the negativity of late to discuss some of these. I particularly enjoyed the Byron Erickson story in MM & Friends 258. rodney. ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Wed Nov 12 20:46:04 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:46:04 +0100 Subject: My life and times - part 1/150000000 References: <20031112190121.4CC5419FCAF@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Message-ID: <001001c3a955$9c2cc580$948f3351@computer> Dani?l: >>> Well, here goes, "My life and times", in chunks of about 1KB each. >>> MY BIRTH >>> On a nice summer day in 1973, with a remarkably bright star rising up >>> in the otherwise dark sky, a lovely intelligent baby boy was born. Nice start, but you need historical reference points in your story, IMHO-- such as "about one year before another nice summer evening when a kind fellow DCML-member was to be born" ;) To make this on-topic: add nother year and substract 19 times a hundred years, and you will get the soon-to be-celebrated anniversary of a Disney comics character. >>> "Donald! You're going to be sorrreeeeee!" >>> Which Barks story? :-) Gee. He really wrote that? I can't remember. Especially the "sorrreeeeee", which seems so distinctive. Olivier From dve at kabelfoon.nl Wed Nov 12 22:02:39 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:02:39 +0100 Subject: My life and times - part 2/150000000 (canceled) Message-ID: <20031112204710.766FA19FDE3@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> OLIVIER to me, 12-11-2003: >> On a nice summer day in 1973, with a remarkably bright star rising up >> in the otherwise dark sky, a lovely intelligent baby boy was born. > Nice start, but you need historical reference points in your story, > IMHO-- such as "about one year before another nice summer evening > when a kind fellow DCML-member was to be born" ;) I'm sorry, but I don't want my 150MB life story to become long-winded by adding uninteresting details, like mentioning other people than me. > To make this on-topic: add nother year and substract 19 times a > hundred years, and you will get the soon-to be-celebrated > anniversary of a Disney comics character. Bugs Bunny! He's an American character! >> "Donald! You're going to be sorrreeeeee!" >> Which Barks story? :-) > Gee. He really wrote that? I can't remember. Especially the > "sorrreeeeee", which seems so distinctive. The words are spoken by Fate itself... --- Dani?l P.S. I've decided to cancel further episodes of my life story. Hundreds of you have been mailing me in private, telling me about not being *worthy* to read such a great standard work... Come on! But okay, then not. Apologies to all the others, who didn't complain, and thought that their own lifes would finally become interesting now, by reading about me. From kjell.crone at ifsworld.com Wed Nov 12 21:57:29 2003 From: kjell.crone at ifsworld.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Kjell_Cron=E9?=) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:57:29 +0100 Subject: Question about original Donad Duck texts Message-ID: <2B364F8DBC0A2C45B195893CC09186CD03C649F6@gbgmail.europe.corpnet.ifsworld.com> Hi Timo! DG 33-04 The name of the country is South Bongoland. DDCA 3-04 The name of the building is Drake Dance Hall. Regards, Kjell From ggk at wp.pl Wed Nov 12 22:43:30 2003 From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:43:30 +0100 Subject: I am leaving DCML References: Message-ID: <026201c3a966$03af3c00$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8> > Shall we have a bet about how long it takes before Sigvald sends a mail to DCML again? 8-) You now If it is one thing I lorn from my own mistakes is theat gomble and bet'ing is a sort of... Ow never maind. I bet it will be two week's! Yours Maciek From olaf at andebyonline.com Thu Nov 13 00:34:11 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 00:34:11 +0100 Subject: American Pie Message-ID: <1068680051.3fb2c373a586e@imp.webhuset.no> (Please note that in this post, "American" is meaning "person from USA", not "person from the continent America".) I've bought and read all "Uncle $crooge" and "Walt Disney's Comics and Series" from Gemstone so far, and I've noticed one thing... The stories are mostly (with the exception of the good old reprints) stories from European publishers (Egmont, Picsou, Oberon). Still, I get the impression that 95% of these stories are either written or drawn by an American. To use November as an example... U$ contained these stories: -- "The coin" by Don Rosa, Louisville, Kentucky. -- "Junk funk" by Dave Rawson and Alfarez. I don't know on this one - I seem to remember hearing that Dave Rawson is American, but I can't say for sure. -- "Billions in the hole" by Carl Barks. Yes, he's American. -- "Beagle bots" by Pat McGreal/Carol McGreal/Nunez. The McGreals are Californian. -- "Travails" by William Van Horn - American (although he's living abroad). WDCS contained these stories: -- "Double trouble" by William Van Horn. American. -- "The great birthday robbery" by Byron Erickson/Ferioli. Erickson is another abroad-living American. -- "Can you imagine... Melvin?" by John Lustig/Rodriques. Correct me if I'm wrong, but John Lustig is American, isn't he? -- "The health nut" by Dick Kinney/Al Hubbard - both healthy Americans from the 1960th century. -- "Man vs. machine" by Carl Barks - American. -- "Only a nose" by Jack Sutter/Marsal. I don't know any of those. So, out of those eleven stories, *eight* I know for sure are written by Americans. Could be more, though, depending on the nationality of John Lustig, Dave Rawson and Jack Sutter. I think that's pretty much. Nothing wrong with that, I just wonder if that's a coincidence or not. Are all the best Disney comics creators in the world American, do Gemstone pick stories by American writers and artists on purpose or is it just a coincidence? I'm not saying that ANY of these options are wrong. I don't think so either. I just wonder. Olaf From sonia.dyer at hp.com Thu Nov 13 01:14:26 2003 From: sonia.dyer at hp.com (DYER,SONIA (HP-Cupertino,ex1)) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:14:26 -0500 Subject: Question about a Barks's story: W US 19-04 Gyros Builds... Message-ID: <2B91D9737CCB0D498BAC46BED45A7BD71B368C@xsun02.ptp.hp.com> Dario wrote: >I have read the Italian version published on ZIO PAPERONE 7: >the names of the senders are: ALICE CALLOUS CORVALUS >(or perhaps CALLOLIS CORVALLIS), FLORE FLOUNCY Of KOKOMO, >CLAMMY SAMMY Of ALABAMMY). >Are these letters also present in the original version of the story? >If yes, what is the meaning of these letters? >Perhaps a homage to some fanses? Hello Dario- I don't have a copy of the original comic, but it definitely sounds like something that would have been written by an American. I can tell you that Corvallis is a small city in the American state of Oregon, Kokomo is a small city in the state of Indiana, and Alabammy is an old patois pronunciation for the state of Alabama. The author was presumably looking for funny place names, that in 2 out of 3 cases rhymed with the made-up funny person's names. I don't think putting these funny names and addresses on the papers was meant to be anything related to the plot of the story - just something extra the artist threw in just for fun. Some artists are very good at doing that, and I particularly enjoy these little bits of bonus humor. Sonia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20031113/03acae84/attachment.html From timoro at hotmail.com Tue Nov 11 10:02:24 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:02:24 +0200 Subject: AW: Question on Walt Disney signatures Message-ID: Me: >>I think it was Hank Porter. Stefan Persson: >There are two famous Disney signatures. Which of them are you talking >about? Sorry about delayed reply. It was this one: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/disneylogo.jpg don't remember where I read about this, but I'm sure it was this one that was said to be designed by Porter. That's what I read. Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ................................. "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - kaikki yst?v?t klikkauksen p??ss?! Lataa t?st? ilmaiseksi. http://www.msn.fi/viestintapalvelut/Messenger From sonia.dyer at hp.com Thu Nov 13 02:13:58 2003 From: sonia.dyer at hp.com (DYER,SONIA (HP-Cupertino,ex1)) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:13:58 -0800 Subject: Request for a missed Digest Message-ID: <2B91D9737CCB0D498BAC46BED45A7BD71B368D@xsun02.ptp.hp.com> I somehow missed receiving DCML Digest Vol 9 #26, and have jumped from #25 directly to #27. Would some kind soul who still has #26 handy please forward a copy to me? Thanks much Sonia Sonia.Dyer at hp.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20031113/9ec4d1fc/attachment.html From are.myklebust at f1101.aetat.no Thu Nov 13 08:14:46 2003 From: are.myklebust at f1101.aetat.no (Myklebust,Are) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:14:46 +0100 Subject: King George III - and a reply to Daniel Message-ID: Daneil wrote: >I thought you would give Sigvald only ONE chance, as you wrote in your >previous email. And I beg you, please keep it that way. You are quite right Daniel - I see your point of course! I will promise I will keep it this way in the future, but now Sigvald writes he will leave DCML anyway! But with one exception - which I include in this mail - simply because he deserves it; Thank you very much for an informative answer about King George III Sigvald! THIS is the side of Sigvald I would have liked to seen here on DCML...! Period! Best, Are Myklebust From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Thu Nov 13 09:44:31 2003 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:44:31 +0100 Subject: Request for a missed Digest Message-ID: sonia.dyer: > Would some kind soul who still has #26 handy please forward a copy to me? Mail sent. --Harry. From cien2 at cbn.net.id Thu Nov 13 18:17:04 2003 From: cien2 at cbn.net.id (Arie Fachrisal) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 00:17:04 +0700 Subject: Brother, you aint kidding. References: <200311131102.hADB1jXS018848@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <000d01c3aa09$f7819c80$e6779eca@cien2> Hi, In some Barks stories, i read the expression i stated as subject above. As a non-american, i probably put people who use "brother" expression into stereotypes of Afro-American people. (No discrimnation intended, if i said wrongly, it's because my english is not good enough that i might've constructed my sentences poorly). What i would like to ask is if this "Brother" expression was quite common among most Americans or just the afro-american ones? Hopefully the answer will put a light on my sterotype on the slang. (got it from watching too many holywood movies) I happen to remember that this expression (or perhaps slang) was also used in a Taliaferro-drawn comic strip. it's a guy who's honking his car behind DD's car and said something like "brother, im nervous and i gotta blow on something" then DD stick a knife into his tire and said "Blow on that for a while" If this question might pose a potential discrimination issue, i apologize and trust me when i say that that is not my intention. This's just my curiosity. Keep On Honking, Arie Fachrisal who's fascinated by many of the oldies slangs. From dghez at hotmail.com Thu Nov 13 20:00:16 2003 From: dghez at hotmail.com (Didier Ghez) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 19:00:16 -0000 Subject: Buying Gemstone comics on Amazon Message-ID: Hi, I just realised that Amazon.com is selling individual copies of the Gemstone comics. Since I am only interested in the issues that contain Don Rosa stories, this sounds like a great solution to order them from abroad. HOWEVER, Amazon is listing the issues very badly. It is extremely unclear which ones are which (some of them do not have the issue number in the description, some have the wrong publication date,...). So I am wondering if one of you could give me the ISBN for the following 6 issues : U$ 319, 321, 323 WDC&S : 635, 636, 637 Thanks in advance. Didier From lpj at forfatter.dk Thu Nov 13 20:15:20 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:15:20 +0100 Subject: Comics Popularity Message-ID: <017c01c3aa1b$50a90940$05749dd9@idb3156> Tarjei Kidd Olsen wrote: > Here's a site which ranks 'OECD:Share of Frequent short-text > (particularly comics) readers (15 years old) [2000]' for a range of > countries. > http://web.hhs.se/personal/Suzuki/o-English/ed12.html Interesting. I was surprised to see the Swedes only had 37.3%, while Finland had 66.9% and Norway and Denmark had 56-58%. Does anybody know why comics aren't more popular in Sweden? And geez, France and Belgium are at only 31%. Sigh. Lars From lpj at forfatter.dk Thu Nov 13 20:14:35 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:14:35 +0100 Subject: Off-topic and very off-topic Message-ID: <017b01c3aa1b$5011f960$05749dd9@idb3156> Klaus Harms wrote: > A few weeks (or months?) ago, someone (was it Cord?) put my attention > to the new (third) wave of the Disney Treasures DVD edition (region 1 > only), which was scheduled to present (among other material) the > Chronological Donald Duck, the remaining color Mickey Mouse shorts, > and WWII Disney animation. The sets were announced to be released > early in December 2003. Now the Walt Disney Company has decided to > postpone the release into May of 2004 [...] Thanks for letting us know. > On the other hand, some DVDs from the first wave (Silly Symphonies, > early color Mickey Mouse shorts) are announced to be released in the > UK (region 2). I see, though, that Amazon.co.uk no longer lists Silly Symphonies on their website. Would you happen to know why? (And if it's a long answer, we should probably take this to DCML-talk.) Lars From lpj at forfatter.dk Thu Nov 13 20:19:23 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:19:23 +0100 Subject: Don's "last straw" (OT) Message-ID: <017d01c3aa1b$514940e0$05749dd9@idb3156> Mark Baker-Wright wrote: > I got married a couple of months ago [...] Congratulations. Lars From lpj at forfatter.dk Thu Nov 13 20:09:55 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:09:55 +0100 Subject: Best DuckTales Episodes! Message-ID: <017901c3aa1b$4efdca40$05749dd9@idb3156> Matthew Williams wrote: > I would love it if a writer or artist made some attempt to incorporate > [Launchpad McQuack] as a regular fixture in Duckburg, not just as a > presence in a "DuckTales" story. As David Gerstein wrote in a DCML posting about a month ago, it's not a question of lack of "attempt" that prevents Egmont writers from using this character. They're not allowed to. As for why the Brazilians, the Dutch or the Italians don't use him, I wouldn't know. Lars From lpj at forfatter.dk Thu Nov 13 20:12:16 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:12:16 +0100 Subject: Silly story idea (OT) Message-ID: <017a01c3aa1b$4f8bb260$05749dd9@idb3156> Kristian Pedersen wrote: > why would the ducks use the base 10 number system when they have only > eight fingers? Isn't that some kind of clue that they have not been > shaped by evolution? Actually, the base number wouldn't necessarily have anything to do with how many fingers a species has. The Babylonians used base 60, if I remember correctly. Lars From lschulte at sfstoledo.org Thu Nov 13 20:25:23 2003 From: lschulte at sfstoledo.org (L. Schulte) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:25:23 -0500 Subject: King George/Scarecrow/Patrick McGoohan In-Reply-To: <200311121434.hACEY6XQ012686@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.1.20031113141828.00aad330@10.0.0.8> The three Georges of England were Germans first, I would think, and Englishmen second: I don't want to give a history of England in the 1700's, but in general they are not as important politically as the prime ministers. After the Glorious Revolution in England, Parliament calls more and more of the shots, and prime ministers like Walpole and Pitt become much more important. In America of course, George III was demonized as the symbol of oppression, but that tends to be more propaganda than truth. Anyway, The Scarecrow of Romney Marsh was one of my favorite mini-series on the old "Walt Disney" TV show. It starred Patrick McGoohan, before he became more famous in England as Danger Man, and then in America as Secret Agent. Later he became almost legendary with his series The Prisoner. I have been hoping that Disney would release Scarecrow with McGoohan on tape or DVD. My brother believes it was released briefly on videotape in the 1980's. If my memory is stiil correct, it was quite well done. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20031113/d3fdb6b6/attachment.html From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Thu Nov 13 20:51:41 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:51:41 +0100 Subject: Buying Gemstone comics on Amazon References: Message-ID: <000701c3aa1f$8f80d900$6bf0fdc1@computer> Didier: >>> I just realised that Amazon.com is selling individual copies of the Gemstone >>> comics. Since I am only interested in the issues that contain Don Rosa >>> stories, this sounds like a great solution to order them from abroad. I answer your questions below. First, thanks for pointing this out, Didier! I had already noticed amazon.fr carried the Donald Duck Adventures pocket book, but nothing else. And now, indeed, I see a couple of WDC&S issues; that of February, for instance-- or the one of August (?), though it seems they can't have it until December. Great prices, too: 6.25 euros! I pay 9 euros for each at the comics store; since I order many books from amazon, I easily have more than 20 euros so that the shipping is free-- meaning I would still pay the WDC&S titles 6.25 euros only, for instance. I'll try and keep an eye on this. I don't have any DDA pocket book yet. I guess I'll try ordering some through them. I wonder whether they will actually carry the WDC&S titles, especially in France. Might it be possible because of their binding, which would enable it to be as considered in a "book" category, as opposed to "newspapers", which they don't carry? Might this also enable amazon.fr to sell them in France? We know that comics stores normally aren't allowed to carry American Disney commics because Disney considers we ought to buy the existing French Disney magazines (as opposed ot other countries who don't have local Disney magazines)? I hope so. I'm very satisifed of amazon.fr, and would gladly order from them, especially at that price-- $3 saved + $3 saved + $3 saved + ... = $$$$$ (well, euros-- surely enough to fill a miniature Money Bin)! We ought to write amazon.fr and tell them that "reading age! 4-8 years old" is quite erroneous. >>>So I am wondering if one of you could give me the ISBN for the following 6 >>>issues : >>>U$ 319, 321, 323 >>>WDC&S : 635, 636, 637 I am missing a couple issues, unfortunately, so I can't tell you for U$ 319. Here are the others-- U$ 321 (Sept) ( "Attaaack!" ): 0911903186 U$ 323 (Nov) ( "The Coin" ): 0911903232 WDC&S 635 (Aug) ( "The Three Caballeros Ride Again" 1/3 ): 0970092202 WDC&S 636 (Sept) ( "The Three Caballeros Ride Again" 2/3 ): 0911903178 WDC&S 637 (Oct) ( "The Three Caballeros Ride Again" 3/3 ): sorry, can't find it; the place where the bar code with the ISBN is printed on 636 is blank here (?) Olivier From spe at inducks.org Thu Nov 13 21:06:57 2003 From: spe at inducks.org (Stefan Persson) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 21:06:57 +0100 Subject: ISBN In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FB3E461.80004@inducks.org> Didier Ghez wrote: > So I am wondering if one of you could give me the ISBN for the following 6 > issues : > > U$ 319, 321, 323 > WDC&S : 635, 636, 637 U$ 319: ? (can't find it anywhere in the issue) U$ 320: ? (can't find it anywhere in the issue) U$ 321: 0-911903-18-6 U$ 322: ? (can't find it anywhere in the issue) U$ 323: 0-911903-23-2 WDC 634: ? (can't find it anywhere in the issue) WDC 635: ? (can't find it anywhere in the issue) WDC 636: 0-911903-17-8 WDC 637: ? (can't find it anywhere in the issue) WDC 638: 0-911903-22-4 I've also included information about all other issues, in case that helps you identifying some of the missing ISBNs. For example, I would guess that the numbers were assigned in chronological order. However, I don't know if Amazon has managed to find the other ISBNs either. Stefan From timoro at hotmail.com Thu Nov 13 14:34:03 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:34:03 +0200 Subject: Disney and duck art Message-ID: Hi all! Some of these are actually quite good. Or funny. http://www.florida-art-gallery.com/disney_immaginarte_collection.htm Stuff made by Italian Disney-artists in style of old and new masters of fine art. Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ................................. "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - kaikki yst?v?t klikkauksen p??ss?! Lataa t?st? ilmaiseksi. http://www.msn.fi/viestintapalvelut/Messenger From xephyr at cwnet.com Thu Nov 13 21:20:49 2003 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:20:49 -0800 Subject: Brother, you aint kidding. Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20031113/d4be57e9/attachment.pl From mnaiman1 at cox.net Thu Nov 13 21:39:38 2003 From: mnaiman1 at cox.net (mnaiman1@cox.net) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:39:38 -0500 Subject: Scrooge Message-ID: <20031113203953.SREN3905.fed1mtao04.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> I will have a multitude of Uncle Scrooge items for sale on eBay this weekend....including Rosa artwork, a bronze, and the Carl Barks Treasury Michael Naiman From lschulte at sfstoledo.org Thu Nov 13 21:58:10 2003 From: lschulte at sfstoledo.org (L. Schulte) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:58:10 -0500 Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 9, Issue 30 In-Reply-To: <200311132019.hADKJXXQ028347@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.1.20031113155440.00abdea0@10.0.0.8> To Arie: Concerning the use of "brother", it was more common among average people in the 1920's and 30's. There was even a famous song from the Great Depression "Brother, Can You Spare a Dime?" Today it is usually used among Afro-Americans, sometimes shortened to "bro". Another 1920's-1930's expression of address to a stranger of the same class - used among the working class - was "Mac", which sometimes appears in the older comics (e.g. "Hey Mac! Can you spare a dime?") From ggk at wp.pl Thu Nov 13 22:24:23 2003 From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:24:23 +0100 Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 9, Issue 24 References: <20031112182435.8214.qmail@web41503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007c01c3aa2c$82c6dea0$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8> > > Some history? Was this an article or a comic story? > > A comic story [and a non-Rosa story at that] stating a > > relationship between Ludwig and Matilda would be something > > very special, since this relationship is still not 'official' > > [until it > > shows up in a comic story, that is]. And I'm afraid Katie's > > 'Webbed bliss' doesn't count. > > LOL!! I'm just flattered you saw and remembered his cameo! ;-D By the way. In story you made : http://www.sullivanet.com/duckburg/myart/webbedbliss/bliss13.gif Whou is theat woman siting next to Gladstone? I realy arent 100% sure who is she. She look like Miss Quackerfaster but she look much laik Grandma duck to. Yours Maciek From bangfish at comcast.net Fri Nov 14 03:59:08 2003 From: bangfish at comcast.net (Gary Leach) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 21:59:08 -0500 Subject: Gemstone choices In-Reply-To: <200311131100.hADB0gXQ018692@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <84456BBA-164E-11D8-BF1E-000393C28E48@comcast.net> Olaf: > ...do Gemstone pick stories > by American writers and artists on purpose or is it just a coincidence? One of the goals of Gemstone is to publish the large backlog of Egmont stories by American creators. Two simple reasons: American creators tend to produce stories with a natural American flavor, and they've been creating in something of a linguistic vacuum for a while. Gary From dghez at hotmail.com Fri Nov 14 13:06:01 2003 From: dghez at hotmail.com (Didier Ghez) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:06:01 -0000 Subject: Buying Gemstone on Amazon - Not easy Message-ID: Olivier, Stefan, Thanks for your help. Unfortunately it does not make things much clearer. I tried sending an email to Amazon but it did not help either (got a very unprecise answer). Is there someone from Gemstone that could help ? GARY ? Here are the WDC&S issues that are listed : Walt Disney's Comics and Stories: Hard Boiled Duck,Checkmate,Making a Splash,Party of None,Egg Citing Eggs ( June 2003 - 0911903135 ) Walt Disney's Comics and Stories ( July 2003 - 0911903151) Walt Disney's Comics ( August 2003 - 0911903178) Walt Disney's Comic and Stories ( December 2003 - 0911903283) Uncle Scrooge: Fools of the Trade,Big Break In,Madball Pitcher,World Wide Witch ( July 2003 - 091190316X ) Uncle Scrooge ( June 2003 - 0911903143 ) Walt Disney's Uncle Scrooge ( August 2003 - 0911903186 ) Uncle Scrooge ( December 2003 - 0911903321 ) Thanks a million in advance. Didier From spe at inducks.org Fri Nov 14 13:18:39 2003 From: spe at inducks.org (Stefan Persson) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 13:18:39 +0100 Subject: Buying Gemstone on Amazon - Not easy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FB4C81F.4040607@inducks.org> Didier Ghez wrote: > Here are the WDC&S issues that are listed : > > Walt Disney's Comics and Stories: Hard Boiled Duck,Checkmate,Making a > Splash,Party of None,Egg Citing Eggs ( June 2003 - 0911903135 ) The stories are all in WDC 634. > Walt Disney's Comics and Stories ( July 2003 - 0911903151) The ISBN does not fit any issue in which the ISBN is printed. If the ISBNs were assigned in chronological order, this would be WDC 635, which was out in July (though the printed month on the cover is August). > Walt Disney's Comics ( August 2003 - 0911903178) The ISBN fits WDC 636. Printed month September, but it was actually out in August. > Walt Disney's Comic and Stories ( December 2003 - 0911903283) This is probably WDC 639 or 640, which are not out yet. > Uncle Scrooge: Fools of the Trade,Big Break In,Madball Pitcher,World Wide > Witch ( July 2003 - 091190316X ) The stories fit U$ 320. > Uncle Scrooge ( June 2003 - 0911903143 ) This is probably the first issue (319): out in June, printed month is July. > Walt Disney's Uncle Scrooge ( August 2003 - 0911903186 ) The ISBN fits U$ 321. Printed month is September, was out in August. > Uncle Scrooge ( December 2003 - 0911903321 ) This is probably a yet-to-be-published issue. BTW, is there no big ISBN database listing all US ISBNs? Stefan From cord at wiljes.de Fri Nov 14 13:30:52 2003 From: cord at wiljes.de (Cord Wiljes) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 13:30:52 +0100 Subject: AW: Buying Gemstone on Amazon - Not easy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001401c3aaab$257bb660$0300a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> Amazon Germany is much better at listing the correct issue numbers of current Gladstone issues than the French store, even better than the U.S. parental site. Here is what you can do: Go to the product page in your French store, example: http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/ASIN/0911903135/ Replace the top-level domain '.fr' manually by '.de': http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/0911903135/ There it says: #634 Or you can go to www.amazon.de right away and search for the ISBN. By further replacing the top level domains '.com': http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0911903135/ and '.co.uk': http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0911903135/ ...I suppose that the German store gets its data from the UK (with issue numbers) while the French gets it from the U.S. (without issue numbers). So I would predict that if Gemstone would supply amazon.com with good product data (they have a publisher interface format) the data would reach the French site automatically. Cord From cord at wiljes.de Fri Nov 14 13:56:59 2003 From: cord at wiljes.de (Cord Wiljes) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 13:56:59 +0100 Subject: Errata: Buying Gemstone on Amazon - Not easy In-Reply-To: <001401c3aaab$257bb660$0300a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> Message-ID: <001501c3aaae$cb5e6b60$0300a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> I wrote: > Amazon Germany is much better at listing the correct issue numbers of > current Gladstone issues than the French store Make that "Gemstone issues". I am probably not the first one to make this mistake, nur will I be the last one. Cord From arcer2 at wp.pl Thu Nov 13 17:05:35 2003 From: arcer2 at wp.pl (Arcer) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 17:05:35 +0100 Subject: American Pie References: <1068680051.3fb2c373a586e@imp.webhuset.no> Message-ID: <000401c3aab8$92cb3080$94c04dd5@komp> > -- "Only a nose" by Jack Sutter/Marsal. I don't know any of those. I think Marsal Abella Bresco is Brazilian From dghez at hotmail.com Fri Nov 14 15:25:05 2003 From: dghez at hotmail.com (Didier Ghez) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:25:05 -0000 Subject: Buying Gemstone on Amazon - Not easy References: <3FB4C81F.4040607@inducks.org> Message-ID: Thanks this helps a lot, Not sure about the ISBN database. I hope an other member will answer that one. Didier ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Persson" To: "Didier Ghez" Cc: Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 12:18 PM Subject: Re: Buying Gemstone on Amazon - Not easy > Didier Ghez wrote: > > Here are the WDC&S issues that are listed : > > > > Walt Disney's Comics and Stories: Hard Boiled Duck,Checkmate,Making a > > Splash,Party of None,Egg Citing Eggs ( June 2003 - 0911903135 ) > > The stories are all in WDC 634. > > > Walt Disney's Comics and Stories ( July 2003 - 0911903151) > > The ISBN does not fit any issue in which the ISBN is printed. If the > ISBNs were assigned in chronological order, this would be WDC 635, which > was out in July (though the printed month on the cover is August). > > > Walt Disney's Comics ( August 2003 - 0911903178) > > The ISBN fits WDC 636. Printed month September, but it was actually out > in August. > > > Walt Disney's Comic and Stories ( December 2003 - 0911903283) > > This is probably WDC 639 or 640, which are not out yet. > > > Uncle Scrooge: Fools of the Trade,Big Break In,Madball Pitcher,World Wide > > Witch ( July 2003 - 091190316X ) > > The stories fit U$ 320. > > > Uncle Scrooge ( June 2003 - 0911903143 ) > > This is probably the first issue (319): out in June, printed month is July. > > > Walt Disney's Uncle Scrooge ( August 2003 - 0911903186 ) > > The ISBN fits U$ 321. Printed month is September, was out in August. > > > Uncle Scrooge ( December 2003 - 0911903321 ) > > This is probably a yet-to-be-published issue. > > BTW, is there no big ISBN database listing all US ISBNs? > > Stefan > > From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Fri Nov 14 17:17:46 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:17:46 +0100 Subject: Buying Gemstone on Amazon - ISBN References: <3FB4C81F.4040607@inducks.org> Message-ID: <002501c3aaca$d799c340$2ad6fdc1@computer> Stefan: >>> BTW, is there no big ISBN database listing all US ISBNs? I have just searched for "ISBN" and posted the results over at http://www.dcml-talk.org/read.php?f=1&i=205&t=205 . Olivier From spe at inducks.org Fri Nov 14 17:23:05 2003 From: spe at inducks.org (Stefan Persson) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:23:05 +0100 Subject: Buying Gemstone on Amazon - ISBN In-Reply-To: <002501c3aaca$d799c340$2ad6fdc1@computer> References: <3FB4C81F.4040607@inducks.org> <002501c3aaca$d799c340$2ad6fdc1@computer> Message-ID: <3FB50169.1080705@inducks.org> Olivier wrote: > I have just searched for "ISBN" and posted the results over at > http://www.dcml-talk.org/read.php?f=1&i=205&t=205 . Why are you placing on-topic discussions on the off-topic forum? Stefan From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Fri Nov 14 17:50:23 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:50:23 +0100 Subject: Buying Gemstone on Amazon - ISBN links References: <3FB4C81F.4040607@inducks.org> <002501c3aaca$d799c340$2ad6fdc1@computer> <3FB50169.1080705@inducks.org> Message-ID: <001701c3aacf$6628adc0$2ad6fdc1@computer> Stefan: >>> Why are you placing on-topic discussions on the off-topic forum? I thought the ISBN links might be getting off-topic and did not want to swamp the list with those links; plus, I thought that it be useful for reference to ahve it on DCML-talk. Maybe I ought to have posted the list at both places. Here goes-- Here is what a search for "ISBN" turned out-- The International ISBN Agency http://www.isbn-international.org/ No "Search" feature, though; the Directory is just that, a printed Directory you can order. isbn.org http://www.isbn.org/standards/home/index.asp But that's to apply for an ISBN in the US isbn.nu http://isbn.nu/welcome.html Actually a store browser that searches for the title/author/ISBN at different on-line stores to compare the prices ISBN Book Directory http://my.linkbaton.com/isbn/ Click on the range and browse/search; not exhaustive ISBN Tools http://isbntools.com/details.html Same database as above; I've linked to the "Format Details" page. ISBN Code Bar Generator http://www.cgpp.com/bookland/isbn.html To make your bar codes for your self-made duck book covers-- say, if you want to print a "Quest for Tidie Brophy" cover, for instance). There doesn't seem to be any univeral ISBN database after all-- or I haven't found it. Besides amazon, Barnes & Noble, ..., there's always Library databases. The search motor of the Library of Congress, for instance: http://catalog.loc.gov/ But they won't have the most recent books, especially comic books. Olivier From cien2 at cbn.net.id Fri Nov 14 18:08:43 2003 From: cien2 at cbn.net.id (Arie Fachrisal) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:08:43 +0700 Subject: Brother, you aint kidding References: <200311141101.hAEB1JXS028697@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <006001c3aad3$04071420$50769eca@cien2> Thanks Rich and L. Schulte for the infos. I must admit i did suspect a little bit that the "brother" expression was used commonly but had my doubts as in today's "american culture" (as shown in movies) showed that usually it's the afro-americans that used such expression. Keep On Quacking, Arie Fachrisal From cord at wiljes.de Fri Nov 14 18:33:26 2003 From: cord at wiljes.de (Cord Wiljes) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 18:33:26 +0100 Subject: AW: Buying Gemstone on Amazon - ISBN links In-Reply-To: <001701c3aacf$6628adc0$2ad6fdc1@computer> Message-ID: <001a01c3aad5$69b484e0$0300a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> Stefan Persson wrote: >> Why are you placing on-topic discussions on the off-topic forum? Olivier wrote: > I thought the ISBN links might be getting off-topic and did > not want to swamp the list with those links; plus, I thought > that it be useful for reference to have it on DCML-talk. I think that the list of links to sites which have info on ISBNs in general is a good example for a topic which should be on dcml-talk. Oliviers mail to the list informed about the thread's move to dcml-talk, so everyone who is interested in this non-Disney topic can look it up there. And the majority who is not, can easily skip it. Most members of the list have subscibed to the daily digest version, I believe, and will probably be glad if this can focus in Disney-relevant messages. Cord From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com Fri Nov 14 23:42:30 2003 From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:42:30 EST Subject: October 2003 US Comic Book Sales Message-ID: <14a.26cd4333.2ce6b456@aol.com> Hi all! Haven't posted here in a while. Here's some news: Among Top 300 Comics: 231. Donald Duck and Friends #309 7,935 236. Mickey Mouse and Friends #258 7,560 243. Uncle Scrooge #323 7,127 257. Walt Disney's Comics and Stories #638 6,353 Among Top 50 Graphic Novels: 17. Donald Duck Adventures #2 3,798 Well DDA2 is a little disappointing considering it's debut at number 6 in August. As for the other comics, not too bad really, steady, slightly rising sales(except for MMF). Only problem is that it seems that the cheaper 32 page comics are appealing more or less to the same people who buy the 64 page "prestige" format. Doesn't seem like a lot of kids are buying them(since the sales numbers are so close. Being such a niche as it were, you know the overlap in buyers of the various titles is pretty large). I don't really know what Gemstone could do to get more sales, except for more advertising and of course, more distribution outside of the comics shops. Top 300 Comic Book Sales: http://www.icv2.com/articles/home/3873.html Top 50 Graphic Novel Sales: http://www.icv2.com/articles/home/3875.html Derek Smith -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That story was "Atlantis", when Scrooge decided to make one 1916 quarter rare and valuable by dumping all other 1916 quarters into the Atlantic ocean. But that quarter was flattened by a steamroller. The 1916 quarter shown on the trophy shelf in Xanadu is the only quarter retrieved from sunken Atlantis; at the end of the story Scrooge tried to sell it to a coin dealer, but found only Scrooge himself was rich enough to afford it, so he still has it. As I recall, Rosa also showed the flattened 1916 quarter in Scrooge's store room in another story. From olaf at andebyonline.com Sat Nov 15 00:22:39 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:22:39 +0100 Subject: Dates on Scrooge's trophies? In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.14.1.20031113222710.01ce1008@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> References: <6.0.0.14.1.20031113222710.01ce1008@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1068852159.3fb563bf1a5af@imp.webhuset.no> Michiel: > [One weak spot in this reasoning is that I > deliberately choose to ignore the dates of the trophies in > Scrooge's trophy room in "Xanadu" en "Crusaders".] Larry: > Xanadu is my favorite Rosa sequel (haven't seen Crusaders yet, of course) > and I didn't recall seeing any dates on trophies on display at the > beginning of the story. I think what Michiel meant here, was that he ignored the dates Scrooge found these objects according to Barks. So that he could still place "A letter from home/The old castle's OTHER secret" to, say, after 1956 even though the trophy room in "Xanadu" may have contained an object Barks didn't have Scrooge find before 1958. I may be wrong. But that's how I read his post. Olaf From vazali at yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 03:14:44 2003 From: vazali at yahoo.com (Katie Sullivan) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 18:14:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: Grandma Duck and other cameos in "Webbed Bliss" In-Reply-To: <200311141740.hAEHekXR019188@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <20031115021444.99148.qmail@web41511.mail.yahoo.com> I already responded to Maciek via private e-mail regarding his question about Grandma Duck appearing in my fan-comic. But I thought I'd summarize here if anyone else is interested. I couldn't fit Grandma Duck into the panel at the top of page 13... http://www.sullivanet.com/duckburg/myart/webbedbliss/bliss13.gif The back row from left to right: Miss Quackfaster, Gladstone, Donald, Daisy, Brigitta, Gyro and Li'l Helper Middle row from left to right: HD&L, Hortense, Matilda, Ludvig Grandma appears on page 15... http://www.sullivanet.com/duckburg/myart/webbedbliss/bliss15.gif The top-left panel shows her, Gus, April, May and June, (and another random duck) from the back. The right panel in the second row shows these ducks waving: Back row: Matilda, Hortense, Daisy, Donald, Grandma, Gyro Front row: HD&L and Gladstone Or at least, that's what I intended. My drawing skills aren't on par with actual comic artists! ;) Katie Sullivan http://www.sullivanet.com/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From SBHSN at aol.com Sat Nov 15 05:34:56 2003 From: SBHSN at aol.com (SBHSN@aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 23:34:56 EST Subject: Arie, one more take on "Brother" Message-ID: <19b.1d20a9d6.2ce706f0@aol.com> Just an American opinion: the phrase is generally southern US, not just black. In the Southern Baptist church tradition, everyone was either 'Brother (Lastname)' or 'Sister (Lastname).' Steve in Austin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20031115/227e3257/attachment.html From olaf at andebyonline.com Sat Nov 15 15:46:28 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 15:46:28 +0100 Subject: Italian or not? Message-ID: <1068907588.3fb63c443c8c2@imp.webhuset.no> There's one thing I've always been curious of... Magica de Spell. Is she Italian, or does she come from another country, but live in Italy because here number one scheme includes an active volcano? If so, do we know anything about which country she's from? I always thought of her as either Italian or American, but she could come from anywhere if we say that the volcano is her reason to live in Italy and the dime is her reason to visit USA so often. Have it ever been stated in a story what nationality Magica has? I know that an Italian story says that she supports the Italian national soccer team, but I don't concider that as a bullet-proof sign she's Italian. Unless, of course, that was stated in the story and it disappeared in the translation. Hm... when I think of it, I remember another (Italian) story. One where Magica is telling Scrooge about her great-great-great-great-great-grandmother, who lived in a land up North with many other witches and moved South because she didn't want to be a witch. She came to a volcano and settled there, and we can only assume that is the same volcano as Magica lives by today. So... That story would mean that Magica and her family has been living in that sorcery shop for generations. But... ...why doesn't Magica have an accent, then? Are there any sources stating Magica's nation of origin, except for the one I've already mentioned? From bangfish at comcast.net Sat Nov 15 17:53:06 2003 From: bangfish at comcast.net (Gary Leach) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 11:53:06 -0500 Subject: Cheaper 32 In-Reply-To: <200311151100.hAFB0cXQ014271@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <2FA9D0A3-178C-11D8-8F39-000393C28E48@comcast.net> Derek: > Only problem is that it seems that the cheaper 32 page > comics are appealing more or less to the same people who buy the 64 > page > "prestige" format. Doesn't seem like a lot of kids are buying > them(since the sales > numbers are so close. Being such a niche as it were, you know the > overlap in > buyers of the various titles is pretty large). Currently the 32-pagers are going into the same market as the 64-pagers, the comics retail shops. Eventually the 32-pagers will be going on newsstands as well, but the distribution arrangements are still being worked out. So, for the time being, both formats will be getting roughly the same sales - and will always post such numbers in Diamond's sales listings, since these only cover comics retails shops (and other outlets in the direct sales arena). Anyplace that posts sales based on Diamond's reports will show the same thing. It's true, too, that overlap is quite large in direct sales. Those who are interested in Disney comics tend to purchase all Disney comics, whatever the format and price. That's why newsstand distribution is important to the eventual overall success of the 32-pagers, and bookstore/discount retailer distribution is important to the eventual overall success of the 128-page pocket books. Gary From cord at wiljes.de Sun Nov 16 00:41:41 2003 From: cord at wiljes.de (Cord Wiljes) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 00:41:41 +0100 Subject: AW: October 2003 US Comic Book Sales In-Reply-To: <14a.26cd4333.2ce6b456@aol.com> Message-ID: <000901c3abd2$060cf460$0300a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> Derek Smith wrote: > Among Top 300 Comics: > 231. Donald Duck and Friends #309 7,935 > 236. Mickey Mouse and Friends #258 7,560 > 243. Uncle Scrooge #323 7,127 > 257. Walt Disney's Comics and Stories #638 6,353 > > Among Top 50 Graphic Novels: > 17. Donald Duck Adventures #2 3,798 Are there any figures or estimates on how many of these copies are actually sold in the U.S. and how many are shipped abroad? If I remember correctly half the print run of the Barks Library went to Europe. And considering that Disney comics were absent in the U.S. for some years now, this ration might even be higher today. Cord -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20031116/147e0fbd/attachment.html From ericchun at hotmail.com Sun Nov 16 05:52:43 2003 From: ericchun at hotmail.com (Eric Chun) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 20:52:43 -0800 Subject: Brother, you aint kidding. Message-ID: To me, "brother" is just a general expression in English. It's interchangeable with "man" or "dude" (or some- thing similer). Brother, you ain't kidding! Man, you ain't kidding! Dude, you ain't kidding! Eric _________________________________________________________________ >From Beethoven to the Rolling Stones, your favorite music is always playing on MSN Radio Plus. No ads, no talk. Trial month FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio From vazali at yahoo.com Sun Nov 16 20:07:20 2003 From: vazali at yahoo.com (Katie Sullivan) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:07:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Italian or not? In-Reply-To: <200311161100.hAGB0GXR010901@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <20031116190720.5076.qmail@web41511.mail.yahoo.com> I always assumed that Magica was Italian. I've never read anything that leads me to believe otherwise--her "Boris and Natasha" accent on DuckTales notwithstanding. If Barks had intended her to be any other nationality I imagine he would have said so. The ducks refer to her as "that Italian witch," and she uses Italian phrases occasionally ("Buon giorno," etc.) She also has dark hair, which, granted, isn't always a perfect indicator in real life, but in cartoons Italian characters pretty much always have black hair. In my head I don't really imagine her with much of an accent, just because I still identify with the voice of my dad reading the comics to me as a small child. ;) Katie Sullivan http://www.sullivanet.com/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From olaf at andebyonline.com Sun Nov 16 19:57:37 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:57:37 +0100 Subject: Italian or not? In-Reply-To: <20031116190720.5076.qmail@web41511.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031116190720.5076.qmail@web41511.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1069009057.3fb7c8a11ccea@imp.webhuset.no> Quoting Katie Sullivan : > I always assumed that Magica was Italian. I've never read > anything that leads me to believe otherwise--her "Boris and > Natasha" accent on DuckTales notwithstanding. If Barks had > intended her to be any other nationality I imagine he would have > said so. Of course... Unless he had intended her to be American. However: > The ducks refer to her as "that Italian witch," They do? > and she uses Italian phrases occasionally ("Buon giorno," etc.) She does? > She also has dark hair, which, granted, isn't always a > perfect indicator in real life, but in cartoons Italian > characters pretty much always have black hair. They do? Well, then I guess there's no doubt about it. Can't remember ever reading about "that Italian witch" in my Norwegian comics, and I have most certainly never seen any Italian phrases, but I guess that's because of the translators, then. Thanks, Katie. Olaf From ggk at wp.pl Sun Nov 16 22:19:29 2003 From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 22:19:29 +0100 Subject: Italian or not? References: <1068907588.3fb63c443c8c2@imp.webhuset.no> Message-ID: <001601c3ac87$5370ce10$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8> > Hm... when I think of it, I remember another (Italian) story. One where Magica > is telling Scrooge about her great-great-great-great-great-grandmother, who > lived in a land up North with many other witches and moved South because she > didn't want to be a witch. She came to a volcano and settled there, and we can > only assume that is the same volcano as Magica lives by today. So... That story > would mean that Magica and her family has been living in that sorcery shop for > generations. But... I now dis story. It is code : J-2228-2. It gous like dis : Scrooge once agian stop's Magica from stiling his Daime (hurey!) Magica was relly damege dis time (even Huey Duey and Luey fell sorry for here). Scrooge sed theat he would give a lesson to the one whou make theam meet ich other. Magica sed it's oll theank's to his ansester : Skneron Von Kwaczus (Polish name) and she tell him (Scrooge) a story of the first De Spell : Magikonia (Polish name agian) She didn't wan to be a witch and she left the forest were the Witches were living and move to a home under the vesuvius (the exact home were Magica is living). Theat don't men she was not from Italian, maby the forest she came from was in Italia? Leter she fell in love in a frend (she didn't told him she was a Witch) who leter give here a Raven as a gift (First Ratface?). The local lord, Scrooge ansester Skneros was having trubell with the Pairets (The Beagle Boy's) After some adventures she help him get rith of theam. Wen Magica stop't telling the story she sey's to Scrooge theay whou obaut whe will give his dime for what her ansester did to his ansester. Insted of theat story end's up of Scrooge kiking his ansester picture seing he will give him wat hi deserve :-) Yours Maciek From YMH at aol.com Sun Nov 16 22:30:55 2003 From: YMH at aol.com (YMH@aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:30:55 EST Subject: Unca Scrooge on TV Tonight! Message-ID: <1a1.1d0c865f.2ce9468f@aol.com> Scrooge McDuck will be the featured guest star on an episode of House of Mouse airing tonight on the Disney Channel tonight at 7PM EST. Unfortunatly, we don't have cable anymore... :-( -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20031116/96a2be17/attachment.html From mnaiman1 at cox.net Mon Nov 17 01:59:23 2003 From: mnaiman1 at cox.net (Michael Naiman) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:59:23 -0800 Subject: Rosa and Barks Message-ID: <48DE3852-1899-11D8-AFE0-0050E4F90318@cox.net> I have listed numerous Rosa and Barks items on eBay this weekend. Michael Naiman From jongraywb at hotmail.com Mon Nov 17 06:49:03 2003 From: jongraywb at hotmail.com (Jonathan H. Gray) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 23:49:03 -0600 Subject: Uncle Scrooge on HOM Message-ID: I never saw that episode till now. House Of Mouse isnt exactly my favorite, but I was glad to see that it was the Barks model Scrooge. I also have to say that Scrooge in a pimp suit=comedy gold. :) Jonathan H. Gray The Dubba Dubba WB!!! Now With "Amazing College Graduate" Action! CNW & Time Trouble: My Daily Comic Strips - http://diversions.toonzone.net/chipandwalter The CKC Message Board - http://diversions.toonzone.net/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi Dub's Daily Journal - http://www.deadjournal.com/users/wb/ The Warner Bros. Club Forum - http://forums.toonzone.net/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=2 >From: Michael Naiman >To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se >Subject: Rosa and Barks >Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:59:23 -0800 > >I have listed numerous Rosa and Barks items on eBay this weekend. > >Michael Naiman > >_______________________________________________ >http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml _________________________________________________________________ Is your computer infected with a virus? Find out with a FREE computer virus scan from McAfee. Take the FreeScan now! http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From marugu171 at hotmail.com Sun Nov 16 23:01:36 2003 From: marugu171 at hotmail.com (Mats Rune Gullikstad) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 23:01:36 +0100 Subject: Timeline Message-ID: Michiel Prior wrote this: >Let's try to figure things out: "A Letter from Home takes" place after "The >Crown of the Crusader Kings" which takes place after "The Fabulous >Philosopher's Stone" (1955) AND after "Return to Xanadu" which takes place >after "The Valley of Tralla-La" (1954) AND after "The Lost Crown of Genghis >Khan" (1956). Thus "A Letter from Home" takes place in or after late 1956. >[One weak spot in this reasoning is that I deliberately choose to ignore >the dates of the trophies in Scrooge's trophy room in "Xanadu" en >"Crusaders".] It would have been fun making a sort of timeline for Carl Barks' and Don Rosa's duck stories! I think I'm going to make one (at least try), but I need some help. So if anybody has got ideas or tips, I'll be happy! Thanks for the inpiration, Michiel! Mats _________________________________________________________________ Last ned nye MSN Messenger 6.0 gratis http://www.msn.no/computing/messenger - Den korteste veien mellom deg og dine venner From cord at wiljes.de Mon Nov 17 11:52:03 2003 From: cord at wiljes.de (Cord Wiljes) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:52:03 +0100 Subject: AW: Mickey Mouse in Color record In-Reply-To: <200311091142.AA280822054@raptus.dk> Message-ID: <000801c3acf8$d6a350c0$0300a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> Mads wrote: > I am really curious to listen to the record that followed the > deluxe edition of the Mickey Mouse in Color book, so is it > possible that anyone (who owns the book, of course ;-)) could > make an mp3 out of the record ? I know it's a vinyl record, > but I would be really greatful if anyone could do this! If I remember correctly this was just a few minutes short and the sound was rather fogged. It probably originated in a tape recording which was intended as a basis for a transcription. I am not sure who holds the copyright for this record. But if someone knows if it is O.K. to share it as an mpeg I could try to make one (never did before, so there is no guaranteee I will succeed.) Cord From madsj at raptus.dk Mon Nov 17 12:28:19 2003 From: madsj at raptus.dk (Mads Jensen) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:28:19 +0100 Subject: AW: Mickey Mouse in Color record In-Reply-To: <000801c3acf8$d6a350c0$0300a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> References: <000801c3acf8$d6a350c0$0300a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> Message-ID: <3FB8B0D3.5030306@raptus.dk> Hi I'm not sure if this goes for the whole World, but at least in Denmark it's legal to make an analog piece of music/sound into a digital sound recording. This is at least what I've heard! Does someone know what the laws on this matter say in other countries ? best wishes, Mads From timoro at hotmail.com Mon Nov 17 12:39:30 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:39:30 +0200 Subject: AW: Mickey Mouse in Color record Message-ID: >Denmark it's legal to make an analog piece of music/sound into a digital >sound recording. I think it's legal almost anywhere else too, but to distribute it, that's totally different case. If you put it on the net, it's illegal. But still.... It would be nice to hear that recording. :-) Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ................................. "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ Tilaa nyt Hotmail postit k?nnykk??si! http://www.msn.fi/mobiili/ From cord at wiljes.de Mon Nov 17 12:48:58 2003 From: cord at wiljes.de (Cord Wiljes) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:48:58 +0100 Subject: AW: AW: Mickey Mouse in Color record In-Reply-To: <3FB8B0D3.5030306@raptus.dk> Message-ID: <002401c3ad00$c9c5e220$0300a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> Mads wrote: > I'm not sure if this goes for the whole World, but at least > in Denmark it's legal to make an analog piece of music/sound > into a digital sound recording. This is at least what I've heard! Here in Germany to my knowledge: + digital to digital: not allowed + analog to analog: allowed + digital to analog: allowed (?) + analog to digital: ? All assuming non-commercial copying, of course. It would also be interesting to find out who actually holds the copyright of the recording. Another Rainbow (Bruce Hamilton?)? The person who taped it? The heirs of Barks and Gottfredson? Or could it public domain? Cord From dve at kabelfoon.nl Mon Nov 17 15:11:45 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:11:45 +0100 Subject: The Golden Helmet~ Message-ID: <20031117135601.2E7BF19FEC2@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> JENNIFER INANTAZ to OLAF SOLSTRAND, 28-10-2003 About Barks's "The Golden Helmet", OS 408: > Sharky's legal language on page 7 is, "Flickus, flackus, fumdeedledum!" In panel 27.5, a nephew uses this line, too. But this time it means, "We're back on the hook again!" What follows are some other quotes from the story. Olaf didn't ask for them, maybe but could be because these legal phrases are missing in the Norwegian translation? (Or did you only need a few quotes, instead of all of them, Olaf?) In panel 28.3, a nephew says "Griftus, graftus, gaspus!" Meaning, "Unca Donald's turned out to be a dirty snake!" In panel 31.6, Donald says "Nikus, nokus, nopus!" Meaning, "I DON'T WANT TO!" In panel 31.8, a nephew says Yikkus, yakkus, youbettus!" Meaning, "YES!" Earlier mails about this subject, with other quotes and translations: http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-October/025601.html http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-October/025603.html --- Dani?l - "Sharky, I wonder if there isn't such a thing as PUNISHMENT!" - "Not with a smart lawyer, sir!" (Carl Barks, OS 408) From olaf at andebyonline.com Mon Nov 17 14:45:00 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:45:00 +0100 Subject: The Golden Helmet~ In-Reply-To: <20031117135601.2E7BF19FEC2@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> References: <20031117135601.2E7BF19FEC2@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Message-ID: <1069076700.3fb8d0dce01bb@imp.webhuset.no> Quoting Daniel van Eijmeren : > What follows are some other quotes from the story. Olaf didn't ask for > them, maybe but could be because these legal phrases are missing in the > Norwegian translation? (Or did you only need a few quotes, instead of > all of them, Olaf?) Hello, Daniel - these phrases are not missing in the Norwegian translation. I just didn't think of asking for them, as what I _really_ needed were the quotes from Sharky himself. Although, I was just about to ask for these as well - so thank you very much, Daniel. Olaf From M.J.Prior at student.rug.nl Mon Nov 17 17:09:24 2003 From: M.J.Prior at student.rug.nl (M.J. Prior) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 17:09:24 +0100 Subject: Timeline and dates *of* Scrooge's trophies Message-ID: Larry Giver: > I didn't recall seeing any dates on trophies on display... Olaf Solstrand: > I think what Michiel meant here, was... Olaf is right. I meant 'dates of the stories in which Scrooge found those trophies'. Michiel Prior: > Thus "A Letter from Home" takes place in or > after late 1956. Assuming that "Genghis Khan", "Xanadu" and "Crusader Kings" all take place in 1956, "A Letter from Home" can't take place before 1957, because "Crusader Kings" takes place in December (1956?) and January (1957?). Note that I only started this timeline reasoning in trying to fix a date for Ludwig and Matilda's marriage. For me, 'between 1957 and 1961' is close enough, but this theory needn't necessarily be a valid one and one could still argue for earlier dates. Not that there's very much point in trying to fix a date for their marriage in the first place. Katie Sullivan: > I just assumed that [Matilda] was still too mad at > Scrooge to come to the jubilee, while Ludvig was more > forgiving and came for the nephews' sake, if nothing else. Or let's suppose Ludwig was already a friend or personal advisor to Scrooge in 1952 [like Gyro] and that Scrooge introduced them to each other after "A Letter from Home". [I don't think I like this theory, because Ludwig didn't arrive in Duckburg before 1961 and certainly couldn't have been a *regular* personal advisor to Scrooge before that.] Mats Rune Gullikstad: > It would have been fun making a sort of timeline for Carl > Barks' and Don Rosa's duck stories! > I think I'm going to make one (at least try), but I need > some help. So if anybody has got ideas or tips, I'll be > happy! That's going to be tough, Mats. I think one needs a lot of patience and persistence to complete such a difficult task. Oh wait... you're the one who's working on that *awesome* Money Bin model, isn't it? I guess that's allright, then. ;) Some ideas and tips: "The Son of the Sun" takes place after "The Treasury of Croesus" because Scrooge's trophies in "Sun" include some coins from Croesus' treasury. There's a date on the newspaper at the end of "The Sharpie of the Culebra Cut". The 'framestory' for "Culebra" takes place after "Back to the Klondike" because Donald teases Scrooge about Goldie. You need to 'stretch' the dates for the first appearances of Magica and Flintheart, because both turn up in "A Little Something Special" which is supposed to take place in 1952. "Gyro's 1st Invention" takes place after "Statuesque Spendthrifts" and "A Christmas for Shacktown" and before Gyro's first appearance. Don Rosa wrote us that this is not 'in tune' with the 'original date' for "Statues", so you'll need to figure that out. I think that even if it's possible to place each story before or after another without meeting any incongruities, you will have a hard time by trying to assign dates to each story, because the nephews hardly grow any older, so all stories take place within 5-10 years or so. My solution would be to ignore this and work with the dates of publication of Barks' stories. And honestly, even though my mails may suggest otherwise, I think this whole timeline thing shouldn't be taken very seriously. It may work to connect and arrange about seven stories, but I'm afraid it won't work for the whole canon. I mean... er, well, I feel I've said too much already. Greetings, Michiel Prior. From nils at math.uio.no Mon Nov 17 21:30:22 2003 From: nils at math.uio.no (Nils Lid Hjort) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 21:30:22 +0100 Subject: Mickey Mouse 75 years Message-ID: Apparently, Mickey was "created" November 18, 1928. Has this been discussed on the list? I made a brief check but couldn't see this topic raised. There's something on this in "breakfast television" tomorrow morning (main Norwegian channel), and someone I know is already quite nervous about the prospect of being interviewed there. "The influence of Mickey Mouse on modern society and civilisation has been (cough cough) tremendous ...". When was Mickey's first appearance in a comic book? Nils Lid Hjort From M.J.Prior at let.rug.nl Mon Nov 17 21:54:46 2003 From: M.J.Prior at let.rug.nl (Michiel Prior) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 21:54:46 +0100 Subject: Huge flattened coin Message-ID: <3FB943A6.8453.FADF73@localhost> Larry Giver: > As I recall, Rosa also showed the flattened 1916 quarter in > Scrooge's store room in another story. So that's what it was! I thought it might be Scrooge's huge inflatable rubber coin from "Uncle Scrooge the Lemonade King" or one of those huge stone coins from that Strobl story about the huge stone coins. Michiel Prior. From olaf at andebyonline.com Mon Nov 17 21:27:13 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 21:27:13 +0100 Subject: Mickey Mouse 75 years In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1069100833.3fb92f21e4fdb@imp.webhuset.no> Quoting Nils Lid Hjort : > When was Mickey's first appearance in a comic book? Seems as if it was this: http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/YM+000//_ ...or this: http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/YM+001//_ So, that's January 1930. From spe at inducks.org Mon Nov 17 21:59:24 2003 From: spe at inducks.org (Stefan Persson) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 21:59:24 +0100 Subject: Mickey Mouse 75 years In-Reply-To: <1069100833.3fb92f21e4fdb@imp.webhuset.no> References: <1069100833.3fb92f21e4fdb@imp.webhuset.no> Message-ID: <3FB936AC.60807@inducks.org> Olaf Solstrand wrote: > Quoting Nils Lid Hjort : > >>When was Mickey's first appearance in a comic book? > > Seems as if it was this: > http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/YM+000//_ > ...or this: > http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/YM+001//_ > > So, that's January 1930. Newspaper ? comic book. Stefan From olaf at andebyonline.com Mon Nov 17 21:39:44 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 21:39:44 +0100 Subject: Mickey Mouse 75 years In-Reply-To: <3FB936AC.60807@inducks.org> References: <1069100833.3fb92f21e4fdb@imp.webhuset.no> <3FB936AC.60807@inducks.org> Message-ID: <1069101584.3fb9321032c82@imp.webhuset.no> Quoting Stefan Persson : > Newspaper ??? comic book. True... I misread Nils' question. I thought "comic", not "comic book". Sorry. Hmm... Is "Mickey Mouse Annual" a comic book? If so, that was 1930 as well... http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/issue.php/0/uk/MMA++1 Otherwise, I have no idea. Olaf From spe at inducks.org Mon Nov 17 22:17:27 2003 From: spe at inducks.org (Stefan Persson) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 22:17:27 +0100 Subject: Mickey Mouse 75 years In-Reply-To: <1069101584.3fb9321032c82@imp.webhuset.no> References: <1069100833.3fb92f21e4fdb@imp.webhuset.no> <3FB936AC.60807@inducks.org> <1069101584.3fb9321032c82@imp.webhuset.no> Message-ID: <3FB93AE7.1040103@inducks.org> Olaf Solstrand wrote: > Hmm... Is "Mickey Mouse Annual" a comic book? If so, that was 1930 as well... > http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/issue.php/0/uk/MMA++1 I think so, yes. Stefan From sschridde at web.de Mon Nov 17 23:36:47 2003 From: sschridde at web.de (Soeren Schridde) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:36:47 +0100 Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 9, Issue 36 In-Reply-To: <200311172103.hAHL31XS029360@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <3FB95B8F.24512.13E2B2C@localhost> Thanks to those that mentioned Gemstone comics being available at Amazon Europe! Cord: > Here in Germany to my knowledge: (...) Just a short correction: In Germany, despite what the big music tries to inject into the people's brains by wrong repetition: Any "normal" private copy of music or film (not software) is legal. A wise government ages ago didn't want to criminalize half or more of the population... To compensate the artists for this, a flat fee is paid on all devices being able to record (even answer machines) and the income is distributed by an organisation ("GEMA"), which takes rather odd measures in that, but that's another topic... haven't heard of the industry saying the GEMA should charge less as most DVDs and more and more CDs are copy-protected, though.... (applying their own argumentationonly where it fits their financial interests...) translating EU law, it just shot time ago became illegal to circumvene "effective" copy protection or to use sources that are obviously illegal - the Kazaas etc. are (only) in the discussion. (No "great invention" like a software that can be surpassed by disabling windows autostart like in US would suffice, and of course not allow those creators to sue those that post that "secret" in the net ...) Besides that, ONLY PROFESSIONALS who want to make money are punished for circumvening... No difference between digital and analog copying in Germany... Anhow, I'm happy that usual comics are just too cheap that it would be worth xeroxing most of them... But to get it finally on topic: With music, I enjoy my whole collection as MP3 (self-encoded!) on my Harddisk and using the Winamp-shuffle (playlist with ALL my mp3s). Can you imagine using a story-viewer on the PC that puts the stories on screen by chance / shuffled? One might find some great stories lurking in the dephts of one's collection... :-)) Soeren ---------- Tel.: +49 (0)40/98760818 Fax: +49 (0)40/98761995 Mobile: +49 (0)177/6150764 Stader Str. 206, 21075 Hamburg, Germany eMail: sschridde at web.de (2nd: sschridde at gmx.de) From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Tue Nov 18 00:08:45 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 00:08:45 +0100 Subject: Mickey Mouse 75 years References: Message-ID: <004501c3ad5f$c0bb3ae0$798f3351@computer> Hi everyone! Nils: >>> Apparently, Mickey was "created" November 18, 1928. >>> Has this been discussed on the list? I made a brief >>> check but couldn't see this topic raised. It was mentioned briefly about a month ago. >>> When was Mickey's first appearance in a comic book? First animated short produced (thus, actual birth of Mickey, sketches excluded): "Plane Crazy"-- first (private) screening on May 15, 1928 First animation short released: Steamboat Willie (November 18, 1928) First daily comis strip: January 13, 1930 First Sunday comic strip: January; 1932 There were several Mickey Mouse books in the early '30s. Portions of the "Mickey Mouse Book" (published by Bibo and Lang in 1930) were reprinted in WDC&S 604 (Aug '96) (Bruce Hamilton's "The Year That Was 1930: Mouse Number Thirteen") : "Mickey Mouse Book was the first licensed publication using Disney characters." There were four printings, with variations. Not a comic book yet, but it did feature in its second printing Mickey Mouse strips-- from the reprint, the strip of April 15, 1930, drawn by Win Smith. Another strip was featured on the back cover-- that of April 17. Walt Disney's Comics and Stories # 601 (Feb '96) featured "The One and Only Genuine Original Number One", by Bruce Hamilton (in the "The Year That Was" series-- 1933) : "Mickey Mouse Magazine, printed with a 2-color cover and black and white interiors, was thus born in the third week of January, 1933". ( The feature reprints the whole 16p (covers included) magazine ) WDC&S 602 (April '96) considers "The Year That Was 1940", asking "Will the Real #1 Please Stand Up?" Bruce Hamilton explains that the last issue of Mickey Mouse Magazine (Vol 5 # 12, 1940) "had been turned into a comic book before the next month's release, wchich was Volume 1, Number 1 of Walt Disney's Comics and Stories". Mickey's first appearance in a "real" comic book may thus considered to have been in MMM Vol 5 #12, which reprinted the "Robinson Crusoe" adventure (well, not all of it; two pages worth of strips, and the story was wrapped up in WDC&S 1). However, these being reprints from newspaper strips, you may now want to search for the first Mickey Mouse story published in a comic book and written specifically for a comic book. Sorry, I don't know. I have prepared a little something, but my host's server sin't working ! ! ! It has been behaving oddly these past few days, and tonight it isn't working! I have only part of my 75th Anniversary Special Feature uploaded and can't connect to the server! :( I hope I can upload it tomorrow. Wishing you better luck with the Web, Olivier From shadz at email.com Tue Nov 18 00:47:34 2003 From: shadz at email.com (Shad Z.) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:47:34 -0700 Subject: Mickey Mouse 75 years Message-ID: <20031117234734.3064.qmail@email.com> From: Nils Lid Hjort > > Apparently, Mickey was "created" November 18, 1928. > Has this been discussed on the list? I made a brief > check but couldn't see this topic raised. There's > something on this in "breakfast television" tomorrow > morning (main Norwegian channel), and someone I know > is already quite nervous about the prospect of being > interviewed there. "The influence of Mickey Mouse on > modern society and civilisation has been (cough cough) > tremendous ...". Here's a newspaper article about it: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/business/local/sfl-1117mickeymouse,0,3592155.story?coll=sfla-business-front And here's an article about Mickey's past birthdays, and why Disney (or the theme park division, at least) stopped throwing birthday parties for Mickey: http://www.jimhillmedia.com/articles/guest/wsampson.11172003.1.htm -- Shad Z. ^Q^ http://shadz.homestead.com/files/ HONK TO SEE PUPPIES Sign along US 287, Loveland CO -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Search Smarter - get the new eXact Search Bar for free! http://www.exactsearchbar.com/ From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Tue Nov 18 13:44:25 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 13:44:25 +0100 Subject: Mickey Mouse 75th Anniversary -- special features References: <20031117234734.3064.qmail@email.com> Message-ID: <001e01c3add1$b333ea80$2f2bfbc1@computer> Hello everyone! The server works now, so I was able to update Mice and Ducks to include my MM Annviersary feature: http://ob7.free.fr/mice_and_ducks/mndframe.html As usual, please click on paperboy Donald to go to "The Daily War-Drum" and find the link. I haven't been able to complete/correct/enhance my collection of Disney characters smileys in time for this Anniversary; since I do have a few Mickey-related smileys ready, I will try and find time to upload them nonetheless (which implies preparing pages and directories); you can see one of them in "The Daily War-Drum". I am sorry I could not do more, and will try to do better as soon as possible. All the best, Olivier From nils at math.uio.no Tue Nov 18 14:56:46 2003 From: nils at math.uio.no (Nils Lid Hjort) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:56:46 +0100 Subject: Mickey 75 -- debated on TV Message-ID: "Good morning, professor Lars (!) Lid Hjort from the Department of Mathematics. And now he is 75." We heard the Wilhelm Tell overture in colour from 1935. I discussed the jubilant's momentous impact on modern civilisation etc etc, also pointing out that his two public lives, on screen and between comic book covers, are really somewhat disparate, that he for most Scandinavians at least doesn't quite touch us as deeply as Donald and Scrooge, commented on his mcgyverian abilities and youthful spirit and abilities to survive the most spectacular life-threatening obstacles, briefly described his changing style of clothing, and lightly touched upon his slow progress in the love department. When the interviewer Anne Grosvold said that "most of us actually change somewhat over the years ...", I responded "speak for yourself, Madam". I had brought with me a couple of MM comics from the 1940ies, plus the 60 years anniversary book "MM in Color" from 1988, and my beat-up copy of MM and the Phantom Blot from 1939. These were briefly pointed to & waved at. The whole thing is supposedly re-sent today at 17:15 (main state channel, NRK 1). Among the more visually interesting moments might be when professor Lars (?) Lid Hjort spends many seconds frantically searching for the word "entertainment industry" (and failing). Apparently there is a new DVD out commemorating Mickey's 75 years. We should respectfully remember, by the way, that today is not only Mickey's 75th birthday, but also Minnie's, even though she might be said to lack Mickey's literary appeal ... Are there yet other characters on "Steamboat Willie"? (I have actually never seen it.) Is Egmont doing anything at all with MM 75? Is this noted on the www.donald.no or sister webpages, or in the weekly magazines? Lars (?) Lid Hjort From Ola.Martinsson at ericsson.com Tue Nov 18 15:42:36 2003 From: Ola.Martinsson at ericsson.com (Ola Martinsson) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:42:36 +0100 Subject: that $crooge snowglobe In-Reply-To: <200311101945.hAAJifIu030257@numerus.ling.uu.se> References: <200311101945.hAAJifIu030257@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <3FBA2FDC.8070808@ericsson.com> Is there somewhere a picture on the web on this snowglobe ? Ola in dark cloudy Stockholm > Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:05:37 -0500 > From: "Don Rosa" > Subject: that $crooge snowglobe > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Since people were guessing as to whether the theme played on this new > $crooge snowglobe was the Donald Duck theme (as the ad states) or the > "Ducktales" theme (as one would expect), I'm happy to report that it's the > 1930's DD theme (even though that's inappropriate in its own way). In fact, > this is one of the most "Barksian" $crooge figurines in my collection of > many hundreds. It's gorgeous. It features $crooge frolicking in a pile of > coins on his desk, and the desk and surrounding floor is beautifully adorned > with many details of coins, bills, money bags, ingots, not to mention > woodwork details and carved "$"s and even an old ticker tape machine below a > clear bell-jar. There's even such extreme detailing as an old style > (naturally) phone sitting off its cradle so no calls will disturb $crooge as > he has his fun. It's straight out of the 1950's and so cluttered with detail > that it looks like something *I* would draw. And I'm happy to see more items > made in the cheaper resin style which looks much nicer than the more > expensive ceramic method or any other method. The only drawback is that it > IS a snowglobe to help sales in the "coll-eech-tibles" market of American > buyers who want Disney snowglobes even if they don't recognize or understand > the character featured. ("Oh, isn't that adorable -- must be a character > coming up in LION KING IV.") And even though I thought "Ducktales" was an > excellent TV show, since I thought of it as a counterfeit $crooge I did > *not* like its influence on the few $crooge items being made, and I'm happy > to see that it's far enough in the past now that its theme tune was not > automatically used on this gorgeous new figurine. > I don't know why I'm waxing eloquent with a merchandise review -- I guess > it's just that I am a $crooge collector, and yet there have been *very few* > really good Barks-style $crooge items ever made for the general market since > the first one in 1956 (a tiny Hagen-Renaker ceramic), and this latest one is > one of the best. > > From dve at kabelfoon.nl Tue Nov 18 16:38:49 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 16:38:49 +0100 Subject: DuckTales wedding episode / Barks quote quiz Message-ID: <20031118152304.2CAF81A015B@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> MACIEK KUR to MATTHEW WILLIAMS, 11-11-2003: >> Yes, this is somewhat strange, but I like it! The really interesting >> thing to do would be to watch the episode again and see which side of >> the church they are sitting on! > Well actualy the Weding was not in church but in bank. > It wasen't shown wen Magica is sitnik. She only was seen wen she was > saininh some sort of "Guest book" in the bank entry. > Glomgold was siting at the same said as Gladstone and Doofus. Whow > ever Huey Duey and Luey were siting on difrent said thean they had. Which DuckTales episode are you talking about? I'm curious. The title has been mentioned before, but the discussion has been going on for some time without a reminder of the title/code, so I lost track. --- Dani?l "Donald! You're going to be sorrreeeeee!" Which Barks story? :-) Hint #1: words are spoken by Fate itself Hint #2: adventure story From ksaarto at mbnet.fi Tue Nov 18 16:34:17 2003 From: ksaarto at mbnet.fi (Kai Saarto) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:34:17 +0200 Subject: that $crooge snowglobe In-Reply-To: <3FBA2FDC.8070808@ericsson.com> References: <200311101945.hAAJifIu030257@numerus.ling.uu.se> <3FBA2FDC.8070808@ericsson.com> Message-ID: <3FBA3BF9.9080502@mbnet.fi> Ola Martinsson wrote: > Is there somewhere a picture on the web on this snowglobe ? > > Ola in dark cloudy Stockholm Yup. Dean posted it a while ago: http://disney.store.go.com/DSSectionPage.process?Merchant_Id=2&Section_id=14418&Product_Id=150050&Searchstr=scrooge&Page=1 -- - Kai Saarto http://www.go.to/donrosa From ksaarto at mbnet.fi Tue Nov 18 16:31:39 2003 From: ksaarto at mbnet.fi (Kai Saarto) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:31:39 +0200 Subject: Mickey 75 -- debated on TV In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FBA3B5B.2030503@mbnet.fi> Nils Lid Hjort wrote: >Is Egmont doing anything at all with MM 75? Is this >noted on the www.donald.no or sister webpages, or in >the weekly magazines? > > At least Finnish weekly got an editorial about Mickey. 3/4 of the stories were about him, also. Lead (birthday) story was written by Byron Erickson and drawn by the excellent Ferioli. Congratulations for your TV-appearance, "Lars"! -- - Kai Saarto http://www.go.to/donrosa From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Tue Nov 18 17:31:26 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:31:26 +0100 Subject: Mickey 75 -- debated on TV References: Message-ID: <001d01c3adf1$69d69520$af1efbc1@computer> Nils: I would liked to see that TV program. >>> Apparently there is a new DVD out commemorating Mickey's >>> 75 years. Is there? >>>We should respectfully remember, by the way, >>> that today is not only Mickey's 75th birthday, but also >>> Minnie's, even though she might be said to lack Mickey's >>> literary appeal ... Indeed. >>>Are there yet other characters on >>> "Steamboat Willie"? (I have actually never seen it.) The third main character is the captain-- a big black cat; in a sense, a proto-Pete. >>> Is Egmont doing anything at all with MM 75? Is this >>> noted on the www.donald.no or sister webpages, or in >>> the weekly magazines? Or Gemstone, for that matter? Olivier From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Tue Nov 18 17:41:55 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:41:55 +0100 Subject: Mickey Mouse 75 years - CNN References: <20031117234734.3064.qmail@email.com> Message-ID: <000a01c3adf2$e0a7f3a0$af1efbc1@computer> A link to CNN's article-- I haven't read it yet: http://edition.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Movies/11/18/mickeyat75.ap/index.html Olivier From cferioli at feriolistudio.e.telefonica.net Mon Nov 10 10:15:11 2003 From: cferioli at feriolistudio.e.telefonica.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?C=E8sar_Ferioli?=) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:15:11 +0100 Subject: Fecchi's style Message-ID: <004101c3a76b$257e9da0$0201a8c0@Homer> Dear all, I'd like to give you my personal point of view about Fecchi's art. But first of all I have to tell you something important: in the middle of the 80's, when I was learning "how to draw" Mickey Mouse, Fecchi was one of my most importants sources of inspiration, so did for other young artits who are now drawing regularly. At that time, of course, Fecchi was not a Disney artist, but we knew his art so well to consider him a true "maestro". Therefore my opynion about him is absolutely positive, not only for his final art, but also for how fast he was able to adapt his style into the Disney's world. I think people as Fecchi or Branca are essential for keeping Disney comics alive, opening new ways, different prospectives... Finally I'll say, although that's not important in the final drawing :-), that Massimo Fecchi is one of the best persons I've ever met, and I'm not extremely generous on this kind of sentences. C?sar Ferioli From lpj at forfatter.dk Tue Nov 18 19:19:45 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 19:19:45 +0100 Subject: Mickey 75 -- debated on TV Message-ID: <002d01c3ae01$f8379b60$27799dd9@idb3156> Olivier wrote: >>>> Apparently there is a new DVD out commemorating Mickey's >>>> 75 years. > > Is there? Maybe they're thinking of "Mickey Mouse in Living Colour" vol. 1? >>>>Are there yet other characters on >>>> "Steamboat Willie"? (I have actually never seen it.) > > The third main character is the captain-- a big black cat; in a sense, > a proto-Pete. Pete debuted in 1925, three years before the Mouse. Happy anniversary of your first appearance, Mickey. Lars From madsj at raptus.dk Tue Nov 18 20:14:31 2003 From: madsj at raptus.dk (Mads Jensen) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:14:31 +0100 Subject: Mickey's first appearence ? Message-ID: <3FBA6F97.4010704@raptus.dk> Hi I borrowed some documentary at the library, called "The History of Animation" where Walt spoke about the history of the animation. Afterwards it showed the "Steamboat Willie" cartoon, and surprisingly to me it said that it was first shown in October, and not in November ? What defines Mickey's first appearence ? "Plane Crazy" (shown privately) shown in May 1928, or "Steamboat Willie" (which was Mickey's first public appearence) shown in October/November 1928 ? Best wishes, Mads From vazali at yahoo.com Tue Nov 18 21:20:31 2003 From: vazali at yahoo.com (Katie Sullivan) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 12:20:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: DuckTales wedding episode In-Reply-To: <200311181916.hAIJG3Rv006328@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <20031118202031.98113.qmail@web41501.mail.yahoo.com> The DuckTales episode with the wedding scene in it that we've been discussing is "Til Nephews Do Us Part." I have some screengrabs and info up on my site: http://www.sullivanet.com/duckburg/loves/milly.htm Katie Sullivan http://www.sullivanet.com/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From donrosa at iglou.com Tue Nov 18 23:37:52 2003 From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:37:52 -0500 Subject: Look who's here! In-Reply-To: <200311181916.hAIJGjRv006396@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:15:11 +0100 > From: C?sar Ferioli > Subject: Fecchi's style > To: Hey! Now look at that! Now you people finally have a REAL artist who knows what he's doing on the DCML !!!! From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Tue Nov 18 23:47:29 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:47:29 +0100 Subject: Mickey 75 -- Pete References: <002d01c3ae01$f8379b60$27799dd9@idb3156> Message-ID: <005801c3ae25$f2891940$af1efbc1@computer> >>> Pete debuted in 1925, three years before the Mouse. He did? And nobody told me?! Could you tell me more about this first appearance, please? Was it in an Oswald cartoon? Olivier From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Tue Nov 18 23:49:19 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:49:19 +0100 Subject: Mickey 75 -- Pete References: Message-ID: <007801c3ae26$3402e0e0$af1efbc1@computer> My apologies, I forgot to say I was quoting & replying to Lars: >>> Pete debuted in 1925, three years before the Mouse. He did? And nobody told me?! Could you tell me more about this first appearance, please? Was it in an Oswald cartoon? Olivier From spe at inducks.org Tue Nov 18 23:53:37 2003 From: spe at inducks.org (Stefan Persson) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:53:37 +0100 Subject: Mickey 75 -- Pete In-Reply-To: <007801c3ae26$3402e0e0$af1efbc1@computer> References: <007801c3ae26$3402e0e0$af1efbc1@computer> Message-ID: <3FBAA2F1.40806@inducks.org> Olivier wrote: >>>>Pete debuted in 1925, three years before the Mouse. > > He did? And nobody told me?! > Could you tell me more about this first appearance, please? Was it in an > Oswald cartoon? http://www.google.se/search?q=cache:lykLcPssPRcJ:www.geocities.com/Hollywood/2895/Pete.html&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8 Stefan From kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net Wed Nov 19 00:45:49 2003 From: kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 18:45:49 -0500 Subject: DuckTales wedding episode / Barks quote quiz Message-ID: <000301c3ae2e$1d3cac30$6e24d044@youroxg2elbf6o> The classic episode is "Till Nephews Do Us Part." It was the last episode of the first season. Matt From tarj123 at online.no Wed Nov 19 01:10:08 2003 From: tarj123 at online.no (Tarjei) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 01:10:08 +0100 Subject: Mickey media mention Message-ID: <3FC0E600@epostleser.online.no> Hi all! Here are some BBC Online articles from tuesday on the MM anniversary: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3276775.stm Quote from this first link: 'In 2023, the copyright for Mickey's image expires - and anyone will be entitled to use the famous image freely. It was due to expire this year, but frantic lobbying by Disney led to a change in the law.' Probably it's already been mentioned here, but interesting! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3276381.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3280709.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/3280103.stm (people commenting on the mickey legacy) Tarjei Kidd Olsen From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Wed Nov 19 01:16:42 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 01:16:42 +0100 Subject: Mickey 75 -- Pete References: <007801c3ae26$3402e0e0$af1efbc1@computer> <3FBAA2F1.40806@inducks.org> Message-ID: <002d01c3ae32$759b0f80$2f2bfbc1@computer> >>> http://www.google.se/search?q=cache:lykLcPssPRcJ:www.geocities.com/Hollywood /2895/Pete.html&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8 Thanls, Stefan! Have a nice week! Olivier From tarj123 at online.no Wed Nov 19 01:18:18 2003 From: tarj123 at online.no (Tarjei) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 01:18:18 +0100 Subject: one more mention Message-ID: <3FC0E79E@epostleser.online.no> At the moment there's also a link to a BBC video stream showing the TV report they did. It's on their BBC News Online main page (international ed): http://news.bbc.co.uk/ but will probably disappear soon. Might still be under the 'more audio/video news' link though (click the button, on right side of screen a bit down) And congratulations Olivier on the great mosaics! Tarjei Kidd Olsen From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Wed Nov 19 09:09:25 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 09:09:25 +0100 Subject: Mickey's first appearence ? References: <3FBA6F97.4010704@raptus.dk> Message-ID: <001d01c3ae74$72aebf00$672bfbc1@computer> >>> What defines Mickey's first appearence ? "Plane Crazy" (shown privately) >>> shown in May 1928, or "Steamboat Willie" (which was Mickey's first >>> public appearence) shown in October/November 1928 ? Just as was said regarding Uncle Scrooge, the first appearance is the date the story was published or the movie was first released to an audience wide enough-- if it's too small or a test screening in one theater (as may have been the case; I can't check), it's a bit like a private showing, or part of the production process. The first Mickey Mouse cartoon produced (thus, the one in which he made his very first appearance) is "Plane Crazy", completed in May 1928; it was shown at a local theater on May 15, with a piano accompaniment. This was the first time an audience saw Mickey, so you may consider this as his first appearance. However, it was just a test screening with a most limited release, which might be considered as being still part of the post-production; even more so, as the fiished movie, which got a "wide" release some months later, featured a soundtrack. The first MM cartoon short to get a "wide" release turned out to be the third one that was animated, but the first to get a soundtrack: "Steamboat Willie"; the official premiere was on November 18, 1928, and is thus usually considered as Mickey's first appearance. As Don Rosa pointed out, your birthday is the date you were actually born, not when you were conceived nine months earlier; the same goes for any production. You can sometimes track down the date of creation (though it must be pretty rare to nail down the exact date the creator first had the idea), but the Anniversary is that of the public release of the work (whether a book, a piece of music, a movie, ...). Olivier From timoro at hotmail.com Wed Nov 19 10:04:13 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 11:04:13 +0200 Subject: Mickey's first appearence ? Message-ID: >Afterwards it showed the "Steamboat Willie" cartoon, and surprisingly to me >it said that it was first shown in October, and not in November ? I think that October screening was private one. Public premiere was indeed 11.18.1928 in the Colony Theatre in New York. Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ................................. "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ Tilaa nyt Hotmail postit k?nnykk??si! http://www.msn.fi/mobiili/ From M.J.Prior at let.rug.nl Wed Nov 19 12:58:48 2003 From: M.J.Prior at let.rug.nl (Michiel Prior) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:58:48 +0100 Subject: DuckTales wedding episode Message-ID: <3FBB6908.31040.302570@localhost> >From Katie's site: > http://www.sullivanet.com/duckburg/loves/milly.htm "In it, she tricked Scrooge into falling in love with her so she could get at his money. Huey, Dewey, Louie and Webby wised up to her true intentions, however, and tried to scare her away. During an expedition into the jungle, the nephews played tricks on her to make her think Scrooge's globe-trotting adventures are even more hazardous than they actually are! The prissy, fastidious Millionaira was horrified and nearly called off the engagement." I think I've never seen this episode, so I should probably just keep my mouth shut, but your description strongly reminds me of "The Parent Trap" (1998). In this Disney movie, two twin girls try to get their divorced parents back together again and to drive their dad and his prissy girlfriend (who's after his money, by the way) apart during a camping trip, by dropping lizards and such in her backpack (or something similar). [It may sound silly, but I actually liked this movie.] I don't know if the camping trip sequence was already in Erich K?stner's book "Das doppelte Lottchen" on which this movie was based. [I don't think so, though.] Michiel Prior. From NHH at ra.sa.dk Wed Nov 19 13:09:39 2003 From: NHH at ra.sa.dk (Niels Houlberg Hansen) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 13:09:39 +0100 Subject: Freddy Milton at "BogForum 2003" Message-ID: <4C7F3CA00894D711A1AE0090279A6A630EC9A5@rasrv-exc.sa.dk> Freddy Milton will attend "BogForum 2003" 22. Nov. in Copenhagen. He is going to present his latest comic book "Musefars Historie". (Maybe he could also be persuaded to make an inscription on one of his Donanld Duck stories.) More information at: http://www.bogforum2003.dk/program.form.asp Kind regards Niels From info at klartekst.no Wed Nov 19 13:57:51 2003 From: info at klartekst.no (Klartekst) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 13:57:51 +0100 Subject: Barks Quiz Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031119135242.00c39470@pop3.activeisp.com> Daniel: > "Donald! You're going to be sorrreeeeee!" Which Barks story? :-) This is driving me CRAZY. I remember the line, but I can't place it, and I don't have access to my library right now. Is it "The Magic Hourglass"? Nils Smeby From ggk at wp.pl Wed Nov 19 15:08:14 2003 From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:08:14 +0100 Subject: DuckTales wedding episode / Barks quote quiz References: <000301c3ae2e$1d3cac30$6e24d044@youroxg2elbf6o> Message-ID: <003b01c3aea6$933cb7e0$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8> > The classic episode is "Till Nephews Do Us Part." It was the last episode > of the first season. > Yes, but acording to some pages it is episode "008" not "065" like on the http://blatherskite.freeservers.com/ page :-( Yours Maciek From NHH at ra.sa.dk Wed Nov 19 15:11:35 2003 From: NHH at ra.sa.dk (Niels Houlberg Hansen) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:11:35 +0100 Subject: A question to Norwegian Donaldists Message-ID: <4C7F3CA00894D711A1AE0090279A6A630EC9A9@rasrv-exc.sa.dk> Are Serieforlaget in Norway still publishing the collected works of Taliaferro, volume by volume? (In Denmark they ceased publication after only 4 volumes.) Do you know somewhere (real or virtual) where you can buy or subscribe to this series? And is it possible to get back issues? Thanks a lot for your help. Kind regards Niels From frankbubacz at hotmail.com Wed Nov 19 15:33:53 2003 From: frankbubacz at hotmail.com (Frank Bubacz) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:33:53 +0100 Subject: Barks quiz Message-ID: >This is driving me CRAZY. I don't want anybody to become crazy, so I throw in my guess, which would be the hypnotist scene in "Adventure Down Under". As I only know the German version, I can't be sure, though. Frank _________________________________________________________________ 5 neue Buddies = 50 FreeSMS. http://messenger-mania.msn.de Messenger-Mania - FreeSMS abr?umen mit dem MSN Messenger! From dve at kabelfoon.nl Wed Nov 19 15:58:33 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:58:33 +0100 Subject: Barks Quiz Message-ID: <20031119144246.C5FD61A0409@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> NILS "KLARTEKST" SMEBY to me, 19-11-2003: >> "Donald! You're going to be sorrreeeeee!" Which Barks story? :-) > This is driving me CRAZY. Well, too bad for you. Maybe this quote is for Barks experts only. Just wait for an easy one from the dummies category, and join again. :-) > I remember the line, but I can't place it, and I don't have access > to my library right now. Is it "The Magic Hourglass"? No. It isn't. Scrooge does not appear in this story. (New hint.) --- Dani?l "Donald! You're going to be sorrreeeeee!" Which Barks story? :-) Hint #1: words are spoken by Fate itself Hint #2: adventure story Hint #3: no Scrooge in this story From dve at kabelfoon.nl Wed Nov 19 16:28:35 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:28:35 +0100 Subject: Barks quiz (sorrreeeeee), with a new quote Message-ID: <20031119151246.B4847BEFA9@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> FRANK BUBACZ to NILS SMEBY, 19-11-2003: >> ["Donald! You're going to be sorrreeeeee!"] >> This is driving me CRAZY. > I don't want anybody to become crazy, so I throw in my guess, which > would be the hypnotist scene in "Adventure Down Under". As I only > know the German version, I can't be sure, though. What? You gave the correct answer! Just when I thought that I had everyone begging for mercy and new hints! This is driving ME insane! :-) Indeed, it's "Adventure Down Under" (OS 159). Panel 2.3. It's a very dramatic pose of Fate mourning for Donald, in the middle of a silly scene with a nutty hypnotist. It's the contrast that makes this pose so extremely funny for me. --- Dani?l "What ho! I think I see my storm-battered cousins on yonder ridge - if such bedraggled creatures can be relatives of MINE!" Which Barks story? :-) From lpj at forfatter.dk Wed Nov 19 16:12:49 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:12:49 +0100 Subject: Mickey 75 -- Pete Message-ID: <002d01c3aeb0$3853d0c0$c8749dd9@idb3156> Olivier wrote: >>>> Pete debuted in 1925, three years before the Mouse. > > He did? And nobody told me?! This is why "History Re-Petes Itself" (D 99156) was made, to mark Pete's 75th anniversary of his first appearance. Note the posters of Julius and Oswald in li'l Pete's bedroom. I was in contact with writer David Gerstein when he worked on this story. When I learned of his plans, I pleaded with him to include a cameo from Alice, too. Strangely, David felt she might stick out like a sore thumb. Lars From marugu171 at hotmail.com Wed Nov 19 19:00:12 2003 From: marugu171 at hotmail.com (Mats Rune Gullikstad) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:00:12 +0100 Subject: Taliaferro Message-ID: Niels wrote: -Are Serieforlaget in Norway still publishing the collected works of -Taliaferro, volume by volume? -(In Denmark they ceased publication after only 4 volumes.) I think they stopped with book number 18 (1955). That's the last book I've got. Mats _________________________________________________________________ Last ned nye MSN Messenger 6.0 gratis http://www.msn.no/computing/messenger - Den korteste veien mellom deg og dine venner From vazali at yahoo.com Wed Nov 19 19:42:31 2003 From: vazali at yahoo.com (Katie Sullivan) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 10:42:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Chiding and welcome In-Reply-To: <200311191100.hAJB0IRv019062@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <20031119184231.88665.qmail@web41504.mail.yahoo.com> > From: "Don Rosa" > Hey! Now look at that! Now you people finally have a REAL > artist who knows > what he's doing on the DCML !!!! Aww, come on, Don, you're too modest! ;) And a hearty welcome to Mr. Ferioli! "Real" artists are always very welcome here! :) Katie Sullivan http://www.sullivanet.com/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From ksaarto at mbnet.fi Wed Nov 19 19:50:35 2003 From: ksaarto at mbnet.fi (Kai Saarto) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:50:35 +0200 Subject: Look who's here! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FBBBB7B.1040909@mbnet.fi> Don Rosa wrote: >>Message: 9 >>Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:15:11 +0100 >>From: C?sar Ferioli >>Subject: Fecchi's style >>To: >> >> > >Hey! Now look at that! Now you people finally have a REAL artist who knows >what he's doing on the DCML !!!! > > Unlike self-taught yourself? As you know I greatly admire your style. To Cezar Ferioli: I find you to be maybe the best Mickey artist ever. I'd like to hear a bit about you Cezar, and I?m sure other people in this list are also curious. How old are you? How long have you been doing Disney, what you did before and things like that. -- - Kai Saarto http://www.go.to/donrosa From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Wed Nov 19 20:08:45 2003 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:08:45 +0100 Subject: Chiding and welcome Message-ID: Don & Katie: > Hey! Now look at that! > And a hearty welcome to Mr. Ferioli! But... wasn't mr. Ferioli on this list already some time ago? --Harry. From nicodemuslegend at cp.fuller.edu Wed Nov 19 20:08:19 2003 From: nicodemuslegend at cp.fuller.edu (Mark Wright) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 11:08:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 9, Issue 39 Message-ID: <6367585.1069268899539.JavaMail.nicodemuslegend@cp.fuller.edu> Lars said: > >> Pete debuted in 1925, three years before the Mouse. and Tarjei pointed out: 'In 2023, the copyright for Mickey's image expires >- and anyone will be entitled to use the famous image freely. >It was due to expire this year, but frantic lobbying by Disney led to a change >in the law.' >Probably it's already been mentioned here, but interesting! Does this mean that Pete is in the public domain? For Pete to have been kept out of public domain, the law would have to have changed before his term expired. Thanks, Mark Baker-Wright --------------------------------------- SOT Faculty Assistant: Fuller Theological Seminary G.B. Blackrock's Transformers Page: http://home.earthlink.net/~gbblackrock/ From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Wed Nov 19 20:18:06 2003 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:18:06 +0100 Subject: American Pie Message-ID: Ah, an opportunity to brag about my photographs website! 8-) Olaf Solstrand wrote: > I seem to > remember hearing that Dave Rawson is American, but I can't > say for sure. Yep, he's American. From Hollywood, California. See for a photo: http://dd50.inducks.org/fotos/j2000/usa3.html (Or some older photographs at http://dd50.inducks.org/fotos/j1997/p97-01.html ) > -- "Travails" by William Van Horn - American (although he's > living abroad). I don't know where Bill currently lives (I thought somewhere in the Seattle area), but I think he's originally Canadian. > Correct me if I'm > wrong, but John Lustig is American, isn't he? Yes, he is! Just like Michael T. Gilbert, for instance. See http://dd50.inducks.org/fotos/j2000/usa2.html Dave and John used to be DCML members. --Harry. From cord at wiljes.de Wed Nov 19 22:06:56 2003 From: cord at wiljes.de (Cord Wiljes) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:06:56 +0100 Subject: Free Pete In-Reply-To: <6367585.1069268899539.JavaMail.nicodemuslegend@cp.fuller.edu> Message-ID: <001101c3aee1$11e809c0$0300a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> Mark Baker-Wright: > Does this mean that Pete is in the public domain? For Pete to have > been kept out of public domain, the law would have to have changed > before his term expired. He is probably already back in - never could stay out for long, couldn't he? Cord From kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net Thu Nov 20 00:16:30 2003 From: kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:16:30 -0500 Subject: Barks quiz (sorrreeeeee), with a new quote Message-ID: <000301c3aef3$2f1531f0$a124d044@youroxg2elbf6o> >"What ho! I think I see my storm-battered cousins on yonder ridge - >if such bedraggled creatures can be relatives of MINE!" >Which Barks story? :-) It's Gladstone from "The Golden Nugget Boat" Isn't he just a guy that you love to hate? Matt From kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net Thu Nov 20 00:47:20 2003 From: kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:47:20 -0500 Subject: DuckTales wedding episode: Till Nephews Do Us Part Message-ID: <000301c3aef7$7ce71520$a124d044@youroxg2elbf6o> Maciek wrote: >Yes, but acording to some pages it is episode "008" not "065" like on the >http://blatherskite.freeservers.com/ page :-( I remember it being the last new episode aired until the whole Bubba Duck TV movie ("Time Is Money") aired a good while later. I was a pretty dorky little kid, and I wrote down the episode titles every day until the reruns started. It may have not been the last episode of the first season produced. Incidentally, I'm not sure that I can put my finger on it, but some of those late first season episodes just look different to me. The characters look sketchier or something. Have any of the rest of you noticed this? Matt From kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net Thu Nov 20 00:59:01 2003 From: kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:59:01 -0500 Subject: DuckTales wedding episode/The Parent Trap Message-ID: <000301c3aef9$1ecbfa80$a124d044@youroxg2elbf6o> Michiel Prior wrote: >I think I've never seen this episode, so I should probably just >keep my mouth shut, but your description strongly reminds me >of "The Parent Trap" (1998). In this Disney movie, two twin >girls try to get their divorced parents back together again and >to drive their dad and his prissy girlfriend (who's after his >money, by the way) apart during a camping trip, by dropping >lizards and such in her backpack (or something similar). >[It may sound silly, but I actually liked this movie.] I think the episode IS directly referencing the original "Parent Trap" (1961) starring Hayley Mills and Hayley Mills. I haven't read the novel or seen the remake, but I LOVE the Hayley Mills film! It was one of my favorites as a kid, and I think it still holds up today. They released it on a really neat two-DVD set the summer before last. I highly recommend it! Matt From dve at kabelfoon.nl Thu Nov 20 02:37:24 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 02:37:24 +0100 Subject: Barks quote quiz (bedraggled creatures) - the answer, and a new quote Message-ID: <20031120012135.F0F1EBE7B0@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> MATTHEW WILLIAMS to me, 19-11-2003: >> "What ho! I think I see my storm-battered cousins on yonder ridge - >> if such bedraggled creatures can be relatives of MINE!" >> Which Barks story? :-) > It's Gladstone from "The Golden Nugget Boat" [US 35] Isn't he just > a guy that you love to hate? Indeed. And sometimes he can be so funny in his bragging attitude, that I just hate to love him! :-) --- Dani?l "Two sensible questions I ask, and get two SENSELESS answers! I'm beginning to think I left a screw loose!" Which Barks story? :-) From kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net Thu Nov 20 02:30:02 2003 From: kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:30:02 -0500 Subject: Barks quote quiz Message-ID: <000301c3af05$dcb76690$a124d044@youroxg2elbf6o> >"Two sensible questions I ask, and get two SENSELESS answers! >I'm beginning to think I left a screw loose!" Gyro is talking about his machine that can answer "any" question! This untitled story was originally printed in Uncle Scrooge #22. I was tickled to hear a friend tell her son the other day that putting salt on a bird's tail was a surefire way to catch a bird! This short has always been one of my favorites! Matt From dve at kabelfoon.nl Thu Nov 20 04:31:07 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 04:31:07 +0100 Subject: Barks quote quiz (ignorant) Message-ID: <20031120031519.A85AEBEA03@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> "All of a sudden I feel so IGNORANT I hurt!" Which Barks story? From ggk at wp.pl Thu Nov 20 07:51:46 2003 From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 07:51:46 +0100 Subject: DuckTales wedding episode References: <3FBB6908.31040.302570@localhost> Message-ID: <002601c3af32$c446b660$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8> > I think I've never seen this episode, so I should probably just > keep my mouth shut, but your description strongly reminds me > of "The Parent Trap" (1998). In this Disney movie, two twin > girls try to get their divorced parents back together again and > to drive their dad and his prissy girlfriend (who's after his > money, by the way) apart during a camping trip, by dropping > lizards and such in her backpack (or something similar). > [It may sound silly, but I actually liked this movie.] I seen theat movie and I must sey dis cartoon is much like theat movie. In a one sequence of this episode Huey Duey and Luey are traing make Millionaira "theat she be soory she meet dis familly" and Millionaira is acting a lot like theat girfrend from theat movie. In fackt she olsow sed to Huey Duey Luey and Webby (wich didn't com along on the camping trip) theat she gona sent theam to the military scool. Just like the girl from the movie. Your's Maciek From halvor.sandven at dnb.no Thu Nov 20 08:50:49 2003 From: halvor.sandven at dnb.no (halvor.sandven@dnb.no) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:50:49 +0100 Subject: SV: Look who's here! Message-ID: <824647B5A6F0D211B3F040000633656002D2CE92@sdlap009.dnb.no> I was really excited seeing Ferioli on this list. I just rejoined the list after having been away from it for some time, so maybe I have missed some of his previous messages. To me Ferioli is THE Mickey Mouse-artist of today. His art reminds me of Gottfredson, and I always like to think that this is the way Gottfredson would have drawn today if he was alive. Many years ago, at the time Tello drew most of the Mickey-stories, I found these stories extremely boring for the most part, both art-wise and story-wise. Now Mickey-stories are often the highlights of today's stories, and much of this is thanks to Ferioli, and also some others who's almost, but not quite as good. He has also proven that he can draw the ducks, this making him maybe the best all-round artist of today. We have also seen that he can write stories. His Gladstone Gander story is one of the best stories I've ever read featuring this character. Oh, I can understand the message from Don Rosa, but this is one maestro praising another. Rosa is the best Duck-write alive today, and he's also one of the very best artists. Halvor * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email with attachments is solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. Please also be aware that DnB cannot accept any payment orders or other legally binding correspondence with customers as a part of an email. This email message has been virus checked by the virus programs used in the DnB Group. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From olaf at andebyonline.com Thu Nov 20 12:54:47 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:54:47 +0100 Subject: Barks quote quiz (ignorant) In-Reply-To: <20031120031519.A85AEBEA03@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> References: <20031120031519.A85AEBEA03@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Message-ID: <1069329287.3fbcab87cf050@imp.webhuset.no> Quoting Daniel van Eijmeren : > "All of a sudden I feel so IGNORANT I hurt!" > Which Barks story? I don't know, but I'm guessing it's "The Magic Ink" (US 24). Olaf From dve at kabelfoon.nl Thu Nov 20 15:12:16 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:12:16 +0100 Subject: Barks quote quiz (ignorant) Message-ID: <20031120135628.9A52819FB90@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> OLAF SOLSTRAND to me, 20-11-2003: > I don't know, but I'm guessing it's "The Magic Ink" (US 24). Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! :-) --- Dani?l "All of a sudden I feel so IGNORANT I hurt!" Which Barks story? Hint #1: Maybe Donald's nephews depend a bit too much on their guidebook. From ggk at wp.pl Thu Nov 20 15:09:42 2003 From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:09:42 +0100 Subject: DuckTales wedding episode: Till Nephews Do Us Part (plus : Gyro Helper in Duck Tales) References: <000301c3aef7$7ce71520$a124d044@youroxg2elbf6o> Message-ID: <001f01c3af6f$f567ff50$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8> > I remember it being the last new episode aired until the whole Bubba Duck TV > movie ("Time Is Money") aired a good while later. I was a pretty dorky > little kid, and I wrote down the episode titles every day until the reruns > started. It may have not been the last episode of the first season > produced. Incidentally, I'm not sure that I can put my finger on it, but > some of those late first season episodes just look different to me. The > characters look sketchier or something. Have any of the rest of you noticed > this? You men the very first episodes? For exempel mach "Dr Jekyle and Mr.Mcduck" with "Sir Gyro the Gearloose". And as you can see how much evry thing is difrent. For othere exempel the animation in the socond sesson is much worst and I thing they chench the guy whou routh the script and artist's. It relly sems theat the guy whou "Duck Tales" lost oll the hart in there cartoon. There were some good episode : "Golden Gusse" and "Duchy moutain hay". In thous two we have good animacion and plot. But for exempel I just don't like some second sesson episodes like "My mother is psichic" ore "The bride wore strips" (sorry if I routh episode name wrong). I like Gizmoduck five episodes serie exept the last one (Money To Burn). In thous episodes they finally show oll seven Beagles Boy's together + one new Megabait (*). How ever in the last part oll this story with robot's from space wich stolen the Money Bin is just boring. Sorry if sombody have difret opinion but I Think sow. And In the Second sesson they 100% Ignor Donald whou made obaut 8 aperences in the first sesson and deserf to aperd in adlese one second sesson episode (but he didn't) And by the way : to bad theat Gyro Litlle Helper didn't apert in Duck Tales often. He aperd in "Money Vanish" and In "Dough ray me" but in thous two he nerly didn't play anny In portent rule. Gyro lab sems to be sow emty without him :-( * Obaut Megabait Beagle name : Acording to Info I found on one web page his name is Bookworm but In Duck Tales his is named Megabait. Yours Maciek From olaf at andebyonline.com Thu Nov 20 14:44:09 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:44:09 +0100 Subject: Barks quote quiz (ignorant) In-Reply-To: <20031120135628.9A52819FB90@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> References: <20031120135628.9A52819FB90@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Message-ID: <1069335849.3fbcc5293ef9b@imp.webhuset.no> Olaf: > > I don't know, but I'm guessing it's "The Magic Ink" (US 24). Daniel: > Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! :-) Olaf again: I choose to ignore that. (sorry, I couldn't resist it :-) From marugu171 at hotmail.com Thu Nov 20 16:45:42 2003 From: marugu171 at hotmail.com (Mats Rune Gullikstad) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 16:45:42 +0100 Subject: Barks quote quiz (ignorant) Message-ID: "All of a sudden I feel so IGNORANT I hurt!" Which Barks story? Is it "The Chickadee Challenge"? Mats _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail snakker ditt språk! http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/sbox?rru=dasp/lang.asp - Få Hotmail på norsk i dag From dve at kabelfoon.nl Thu Nov 20 17:54:46 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:54:46 +0100 Subject: Barks quote quiz (ignorant) Message-ID: <20031120163859.C54311A039E@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> MARS GULLIKSTAD to me, 20-11-2003: > Is it "The Chickadee Challenge"? No. --- Dani?l "All of a sudden I feel so IGNORANT I hurt!" Which Barks story? Hint #1: Maybe Donald's nephews depend a bit too much on their guidebook. Hint #2: Maybe the knowledge of the nephews and Donald doesn't differ very much, without the guidebook. From kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net Thu Nov 20 21:16:48 2003 From: kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:16:48 -0500 Subject: The Later DuckTales References: <000301c3aef7$7ce71520$a124d044@youroxg2elbf6o> <001f01c3af6f$f567ff50$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8> Message-ID: <003d01c3afa3$3ef130f0$c224d044@youroxg2elbf6o> I don't know if I would describe the animation in the later episodes as worse as much as I would different. I definitely think the earlier episodes are superior by and far. "The Bride Wore Stripes" is, in my opinion, the poorest episode out of all of them. The injustice and ludicrousness of the plot is just too much for me! I really don't care much for 'Beaglemania" either. Most of those late episodes do lack heart. I like "The Golden Goose" too. I find the character of Dijon really appealing! The metal mites episode is mostly a good one, I think. There is this one really cheap animation moment in it though where Dijon doesn't move for what seems like forever. I like the Time Is Money" five-parter, but the character of Bubba is sort of...well, dumb. I like Fenton Crackshell, but the whole Gizmo Duck thing doesn't appeal much to me. "The Duck Who Knew Too Much" is one of my favorites! Definitely the last thirty-five episodes get further and further from Barks and the charm of the first season. I don't think the people behind the later episodes really understood what made the show good in the first season. More Donald and Helper would have been good! Matt Maciek wrote: > You men the very first episodes? For exempel mach "Dr Jekyle and Mr.Mcduck" > with "Sir Gyro the Gearloose". And as you can see how much evry thing is > difrent. For othere exempel the animation in the socond sesson is much worst > and I thing they chench the guy whou routh the script and artist's. It relly > sems theat the guy whou "Duck Tales" lost oll the hart in there cartoon. > There were some good episode : "Golden Gusse" and "Duchy moutain hay". In > thous two we have good animacion and plot. But for exempel I just don't like > some second sesson episodes like "My mother is psichic" ore "The bride wore > strips" (sorry if I routh episode name wrong). I like Gizmoduck five > episodes serie exept the last one (Money To Burn). In thous episodes they > finally show oll seven Beagles Boy's together + one new Megabait (*). How > ever in the last part oll this story with robot's from space wich stolen the > Money Bin is just boring. Sorry if sombody have difret opinion but I Think > sow. And In the Second sesson they 100% Ignor Donald whou made obaut 8 > aperences in the first sesson and deserf to aperd in adlese one second > sesson episode (but he didn't) > > And by the way : to bad theat Gyro Litlle Helper didn't apert in Duck Tales > often. He aperd in "Money Vanish" and In "Dough ray me" but in thous two he > nerly didn't play anny In portent rule. Gyro lab sems to be sow emty without > him :-( > > * Obaut Megabait Beagle name : Acording to Info I found on one web page his > name is Bookworm but In Duck Tales his is named Megabait. > > Yours > Maciek > From cferioli at feriolistudio.e.telefonica.net Thu Nov 20 21:18:55 2003 From: cferioli at feriolistudio.e.telefonica.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?C=E8sar_Ferioli?=) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 21:18:55 +0100 Subject: Look who's here! (Don Rosa) Message-ID: <003c01c3afa3$861132f0$0201a8c0@Homer> Dear Don, Long time no see, thank you for your kind words... And don't be modest, your the best artist at writing in the DCML. Thank you for keeping Donald alive, Caesar From info at klartekst.no Sat Nov 22 22:03:28 2003 From: info at klartekst.no (Klartekst) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 22:03:28 +0100 Subject: Barks Quiz Message-ID: <001b01c3b13c$15af25e0$8119fea9@klartekst> "All of a sudden I feel so IGNORANT I hurt!" Which Barks story? It's "Fearsome Flowers", WDC 214. The nephews ask Donald to help with their homework. They need the names and colors of five flowers. The only one Donald remebers is petunia, and he isn't even sure about the color. But he DOES manage to come up with five different kinds of vegetables plus potatos and ragweed. Now how about this one: "I see the eastbound bus from Duckburg is pulling in." Which Barks story? Nils Smeby From ggk at wp.pl Thu Nov 20 23:26:00 2003 From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 23:26:00 +0100 Subject: The Later DuckTales References: <000301c3aef7$7ce71520$a124d044@youroxg2elbf6o> <001f01c3af6f$f567ff50$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8> <003d01c3afa3$3ef130f0$c224d044@youroxg2elbf6o> Message-ID: <003001c3afb5$4720d020$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8> > I don't know if I would describe the animation in the later episodes as > worse as much as I would different. I definitely think the earlier episodes > are superior by and far. "The Bride Wore Stripes" is, in my opinion, the > poorest episode out of all of them. Yes. I think sow to. > The injustice and ludicrousness of the plot is just too much for me! I really don't care much for 'Beaglemania" > either. I din't see dis wan but I herd the song (Beaglebluse) from It and I like it. > Most of those late episodes do lack heart. I like "The Golden > Goose" too. I find the character of Dijon really appealing! The metal > mites episode is mostly a good one, I think. There is this one really cheap > animation moment in it though where Dijon doesn't move for what seems like > forever. By the way. I think plot of the "DuckTales - the Movie" is happening somwere betwen Sesson 1 and Sesson 2. Why? In "The Movie" Scrooge trust Dijo and even haiers him as his guide. Leter he find out his the Vilant. And in "Atack od metal mites" and "Golden Goose" (did dis story have to do somthing with Carl Barks story "Isle of the Golden Gesse"?) they sems to now hime eve if he didn't aped bifoure. > I like the Time Is Money" five-parter, but the character of Bubba > is sort of...well, dumb. I din't see oll pat's of it but fore some stange ressons I don't like sene in "Bubba Trubba" wen kids in Scoll started singing theat song obaut Bubba. It was not just DuckTales staile.:-( Yours Maciek From kimba1962 at comcast.net Fri Nov 21 02:31:09 2003 From: kimba1962 at comcast.net (kimba1962@comcast.net) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 01:31:09 +0000 Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 9, Issue 41 (DuckTales eps) Message-ID: <112120030131.13026.5c5d@comcast.net> Matt Williams wrote re "Till Nephews Do Us Part": <> It was. It originally aired on January 1, 1988. "Time is Money" didn't make its initial appearance (in the "condensed" two-hour-movie format) until November 1988. <> I was a dorky GRADUATE STUDENT, and I did the same thing!!! :-P <> I don't know what you mean by "sketchier," but you can tell the earliest episodes by their slower (shading into sluggish, at times) pacing. "Back to the Klondike" is a perfect example -- compare how quickly that one moves compared to "Till Nephews," a later first-season product. As the writers and animators became more comfortable with the characters, the pace gradually picked up. In the second season, of course, it got positively manic at times. Chris Barat Matt From pipodeclown112 at zonnet.nl Fri Nov 21 12:34:29 2003 From: pipodeclown112 at zonnet.nl (pipodeclown112@zonnet.nl) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:34:29 +0100 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <1069414469.3fbdf845644b4@webmail.zonnet.nl> hey makkers, hoe gaat ie -- _____________________________________________________________________ Snel en voordelig ADSL nu voor iedereen bereikbaar. Zon Breedband Budget voor EUR 14,95 per maand. Nu tijdelijk geen aansluitkosten. Bestel snel op zonnet.nl/breedband From spe at inducks.org Fri Nov 21 12:41:04 2003 From: spe at inducks.org (Stefan Persson) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:41:04 +0100 Subject: In-Reply-To: <1069414469.3fbdf845644b4@webmail.zonnet.nl> References: <1069414469.3fbdf845644b4@webmail.zonnet.nl> Message-ID: <3FBDF9D0.8030602@inducks.org> pipodeclown112 at zonnet.nl wrote: > hey makkers, hoe gaat ie Notice that this is an English-language list and not a Dutch-language list. Stefan From jerryblake2 at juno.com Fri Nov 21 15:16:45 2003 From: jerryblake2 at juno.com (Daniel J. Neyer) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:16:45 -0500 Subject: Look who's here Message-ID: <20031121.091645.-422671.0.jerryblake2@juno.com> I agree--it's great to see Cesar Ferioli on the DCML. Cesar, I really enjoyed your artwork in the two recent Mickey stories published in Gemstone's WALT DISNEY'S COMICS AND STORIES--"Right Mouse for the Job" and "The Great Birthday Robbery." Your art on Pete was great; this was not the bland, stock-villain Pete of the Paul Murry era, but the overweight, overbearing, and guffawing evil-doer right out of Gottfredson's strips and the early cartoons. ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From olaf at andebyonline.com Fri Nov 21 16:12:36 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:12:36 +0100 Subject: Look who's here! Message-ID: <1069427556.3fbe2b6406d61@imp.webhuset.no> I suddenly understood that it was Ferioli we were talking about. I misread it time after time, and thought Don Rosa's "Look who's here" was about Fecchi. Not that I don't like HIS art - which is great - but I was having a hard time understanding why there was so much fuzz around him. But Ferioli? OH MY! Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Ferioli one of the *great names* in the history of Mickey? The artist who together with Byron Erickson brought Mickey back to Gottfredson quality and made many readers love Mickey again? The number one Mickey artist of the nineties and perhaps even the number one Mickey artist since Paul Murry? I can't say anything but WHEEEEEE! Always great having living legends on the list! Olaf the Blue From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Fri Nov 21 17:10:43 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:10:43 +0100 Subject: Look who's here References: <20031121.091645.-422671.0.jerryblake2@juno.com> Message-ID: <001e01c3b04a$03eae4e0$22f0fdc1@computer> >>>Your art on Pete was great; this was >>> not the bland, stock-villain Pete of the Paul Murry era, but the >>> overweight, overbearing, and guffawing evil-doer right out of >>> Gottfredson's strips and the early cartoons. Oh yes, I love that "old style" design of Pete. I have yet to see a Ferioli Donald, though. Is there one in a recent Gemstone issue? Let's see if we can lure more artists into delurking :D ... I like Ben Verhagen's art a lot too. His ducks have a nice roundness to them; sort of "cute" sometimes; "cute" isn't exactly the right term, but I can't think of another; I mean they are not angular, nor "cartoony round" (? la Van Horn). Olivier From nicodemuslegend at cp.fuller.edu Fri Nov 21 17:31:10 2003 From: nicodemuslegend at cp.fuller.edu (Mark Wright) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:31:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: Public Domain questions Message-ID: <2296398.1069432270914.JavaMail.nicodemuslegend@cp.fuller.edu> Earlier, I wondered if Pete might possibly be in public domain, as his first appearance was three years before Mickey Mouse, and the law had only just recently changed to extend Mickey Mouse's copyright protection before it would have expired. If the law had not changed before Pete's protection expired, he should be public domain by now. Which got me wondering.... If "Steamboat Willie's" copyright protection had been allowed to expire, why does that mean that Mickey Mouse himself would be public domain? Is Bugs Bunny public domain? I am aware that a good number of Warner Brothers cartoons featuring their "main characters" were allowed to fall into the public domain a number of years ago (under a different law than runs at present. WB would have to have renewed their license for these cartoons, but failed to do so in the time alotted.). Yet no one has suggested that the characters themselves are public domain. Just that the cartoons involved could be distributed freely. Obviously, I am missing some fine point here. Could anyone fill me in? On another matter entirely, There has been a good deal of discussion about Launchpad McQuack's role as a "substitute Donald" in "DuckTales," and I've done some searching on Google that indicates that this was done for Marketing reasons. Does anyone have more detailed information? It does not seem as though the folks who did "DuckTales" were forbidden to use Donald, as he did indeed show up from time to time. He was just written out of the action for the most part by putting him in the Navy. Thanks for your help, Mark Baker-Wright --------------------------------------- SOT Faculty Assistant: Fuller Theological Seminary G.B. Blackrock's Transformers Page: http://home.earthlink.net/~gbblackrock/ From olaf at andebyonline.com Fri Nov 21 18:47:21 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:47:21 +0100 Subject: Ferioli's Donald Message-ID: <1069436841.3fbe4fa994703@imp.webhuset.no> Olivier asked: "I have yet to see a Ferioli Donald, though. Is there one in a recent Gemstone issue?" According to INDUCKS, Ferioli has written 29 stories including Donald (not including covers). However, only one of those have been printed in the United States: F JM 89216, "Mickey agent secret", printed in "Goofy Adventures 5". Personally, I doubt it will be long before more of his stories are printed by Gemstone. For the last five-six months, Scandinavian readers have been following the thrilling series about Mythos Island - a nine chapters long mouse- and-duck adventure by Per Hedman, Pat & Carol McGreal and Ferioli (D/D 2002- 018, D 2002-112, D 2002-113, D 2002-120, D 2002-189, D 2002-197, D 2002-231, one I don't have the code of here right now and D 2002-266). This story/stories is/are in my opinion such a masterpiece that it _has to_ be printed by Gemstone sooner or later. Another Duck highlight from Ferioli must be D 2000-189, the story he wrote for the Carl Barks Tribute series which came in 2001 (other stories in this series were e.g. Blum's/Branca's "World Wide Witch", just printed in Uncle $crooge, and Don Rosa's "The Beagle Boys vs. The Money Bin", will be printed in U$ in December). Olaf From olaf at andebyonline.com Fri Nov 21 19:12:59 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 19:12:59 +0100 Subject: Sands of time Message-ID: <1069438379.3fbe55abcc96a@imp.webhuset.no> Nils Smeby wrote: > All this talk about Scrooge's grave - have > you guys forgotten that Carl Barks gave him > eternal life? > > In the story "Go Slowly, Sands of Time" > written and illustrated (in 1980!) by CB > himself it is revealed that the old duck is > constantly rejuvinated by his daily money > swims. I just discovered that not only is there made a comic from this story - D 6856, script Tom Anderson/art Vicar - but it's reprinted in Scandinavian Donald Duck weeklies 48-2003! As only the plot comes from Barks, there's no special notice about this anywhere in or around the magazine (at least not in Norway). Normally the frontpage is decorated with "Containing Barks classic" in huge letters - that's not the case in this case. Anyhow - I think this is the best Duck comic I've read in many years, so I thought I could might as well mention it here (in case anyone here does not buy the weekly regularly). This story is, in my opinion, really _great_. Olaf From ggk at wp.pl Fri Nov 21 21:39:50 2003 From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 21:39:50 +0100 Subject: Barks quote quiz /Obaut Gladstone Gander References: <20031120012135.F0F1EBE7B0@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Message-ID: <006d01c3b06f$9f149310$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8> > > It's Gladstone from "The Golden Nugget Boat" [US 35] Isn't he just > > a guy that you love to hate? > > Indeed. And sometimes he can be so funny in his bragging attitude, > that I just hate to love him! :-) I personly like Gladston. I even once make him a Fan Page... Anny wey. There are some storys like "Rival Beachcombers" (WDCS103) wen I just hate Gladstone and he get me nerves wen he do some Terrible thing's to poor Donald. But there are some Italian storys were he is actualy... Nice to Donald and Donald is shown as the one whou try to make Gladstone's live misrebel. Or in Duck Tales wen Gladstone is shown as a nice guy. Anny wey I olsow like wen his luck do somthing encredeblly like thea time he "ask" uncel Scrooge for money in "Gladstone's Terrible Secret" (WDCS140). It was sow funny. Yours Maciek From hoymurphy at charter.net Sat Nov 22 14:55:45 2003 From: hoymurphy at charter.net (Hoy Murphy) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 08:55:45 -0500 Subject: Don Rosa at Mid-Ohio Con References: <200311221100.hAMB0JRu010635@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <002001c3b100$54122ee0$0500a8c0@aoldsl.net> I'm looking forward to seeing Don Rosa at Mid-Ohio Con in Columbus, Ohio next Saturday. He's always fun to speak with. Don, will you have any of your prints for sale this year, and will one of them feature the Three Caballeros? That's been my favorite comic book story of any I've read this year (and I read a lot!), so I'd like to be able to get a print if you will have one available. --your pal, Hoy Murphy From ericchun at hotmail.com Sat Nov 22 21:57:38 2003 From: ericchun at hotmail.com (Eric Chun) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 12:57:38 -0800 Subject: Fwd: Bear Mountain Enterprises Message-ID: From: "John Nichols" Subject: Bear Mountain Web Page Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 20:25:12 -0500 Dear Barks Fan, In an effort to find old customers who might be searching for me on Google- I've created a Bear Mountain web page- I'll be upgrading it, adding this and that (Mostly that), but the address is: http://bearmountainenterprises.4t.com/ I'd appreciate it if you could spread it around- put the word out that "If you've been wondering whatever happened to John Nichols and Bear Mountain Enterprises, here they are!" The page has a Guest Book feature, but I'm still trying to figure out how to make it work. I hope you're all enjoying your Ducks as much as I am. Tonight I read WDC&S 144- the money spending story, and 150 - where Donald has to deliver Gladstone's valentine to Daisy, through a blowing blizzard. Anyway, please help spread the word that the web site is up and running. Thanks, John _________________________________________________________________ online games and music with a high-speed Internet connection! Prices start at less than $1 a day average. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) From olaf at andebyonline.com Sat Nov 22 22:48:33 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 22:48:33 +0100 Subject: Fecchi's style In-Reply-To: <004101c3a76b$257e9da0$0201a8c0@Homer> References: <004101c3a76b$257e9da0$0201a8c0@Homer> Message-ID: <1069537713.3fbfd9b194704@imp.webhuset.no> Quoting C?sar Ferioli : > Finally I'll say, although that's not important in the final drawing :-), > that Massimo Fecchi is one of the best persons I've ever met, and I'm not > extremely generous on this kind of sentences. I *have* to ask... :-) On page three of D 2002-266, part nine of "Mythos Island" drawn by Ferioli, a very cute little dwarf or gnome or something is standing in the lower left corner of the first frame, watching Gyro and Doc Static working on the machine. The first thing I thought of when seeing this little fellow, was "wow, he looks like Fecchi!" :-) Just a hunch, and it could be triggered by that I short time before I read this story saw a self-portrait of Fecchi, but... is there *anything* in it? Is this cute little fellow inspired by Fecchi? Olaf From shadz at email.com Sun Nov 23 00:11:55 2003 From: shadz at email.com (Shad Z.) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 16:11:55 -0700 Subject: Public Domain questions Message-ID: <20031122231155.30715.qmail@email.com> From: Mark Wright > On another matter entirely, > There has been a good deal of discussion about > Launchpad McQuack's role as a "substitute Donald" > in "DuckTales," and I've done some searching on > Google that indicates that this was done for > Marketing reasons. Does anyone have more detailed > information? It does not seem as though the folks > who did "DuckTales" were forbidden to use Donald, > as he did indeed show up from time to time. He > was just written out of the action for the most > part by putting him in the Navy. What I heard was that the Disney brass was worried that if Donald starred in DuckTales, then licencees who already had a license to make Donald Duck products (toys, greeting cards, orange juice) could claim that DuckTales should fall under their Dinald license, and they could make DuckTales toys (or greeting cards or orange juice) without paying extra. On later shows (Quack Attack, House of Mouse), Disney doesn't seem to be worried about this any more. I assume they have standardized their licensing contracts so the status of spin-offs is more clear... -- Shad Z. ^Q^ http://shadz.homestead.com/files/ HONK TO SEE PUPPIES Sign along US 287, Loveland CO -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From Halsten.Aastebol at elkraft.ntnu.no Sun Nov 23 00:24:49 2003 From: Halsten.Aastebol at elkraft.ntnu.no (Halsten Aastebol) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 00:24:49 +0100 Subject: Public Domain questions In-Reply-To: <20031122231155.30715.qmail@email.com> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20031123001841.01d73a10@pop.elkraft.ntnu.no> At 16:11 22.11.2003 -0700, Shad Z. wrote: >From: Mark Wright > > > On another matter entirely, > > There has been a good deal of discussion about > > Launchpad McQuack's role as a "substitute Donald" > > in "DuckTales," This is the reason I've never been able to enjoy Ducktales. Stories or cartoons without Donald, no problem. But substituting him with a new character? No thanks. Halsten From info at klartekst.no Tue Nov 25 00:31:26 2003 From: info at klartekst.no (Klartekst) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 00:31:26 +0100 Subject: Sands of Time & Barks Quiz Message-ID: <002801c3b2e3$1715f0a0$8119fea9@klartekst> Olaf wrote: I just discovered that not only is there made a comic from this story - D 6856, script Tom Anderson/art Vicar - but it's reprinted in Scandinavian Donald Duck weeklies 48-2003! And I add: When Gladstone published the tale in U$ #216, they printed an accompanying article giving us the story behind the story. It seems that in the late 1960s the Danish Disney publisher Gutenberghus (later Egmont) asked Barks to do a plot outline. He wrote "Go Slowly Sands of Time", but the Danish adaption was not completed until 1983. This is the story that Olaf refers to. But before that, Celestial Arts had used the tale in their giant Barks Anthology "Uncle Scrooge McDuck - His Life & Times" published in 1981. In this version, the story is illustrated in storybook style by Barks himself. Then, when Gladstone published the comics version in 1987, it was scripted by Geoffrey Blum who based his dialog on the Celestial Arts text. It's a fantastic story - whether you believe Scrooge is immortal or not. And then a reminder: "I see the eastbound bus from Duckburg is pulling in." Which Barks story? No response to this one so far. Here's a hint: They're in the dessert and they're eating ice cream. Nils Smeby From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sun Nov 23 02:57:47 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 02:57:47 +0100 Subject: Barks Quiz Message-ID: <20031123014153.B659819FC89@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> NILS SMEBY to me, 22-11-2003: > Now how about this one: "I see the eastbound bus from Duckburg > is pulling in." Which Barks story? Sob! I've never been so humiliated in my life... In other words: Help! I need a hint! --- Dani?l From slaab15 at yahoo.co.uk Sun Nov 23 13:15:08 2003 From: slaab15 at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Angus=20McDuck?=) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 12:15:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Barks quiz Message-ID: <20031123121508.23143.qmail@web25107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <"I see the eastbound bus from Duckburg is pulling in." Which Barks story?> Is it W WDC 221-01 ("Tracking Sandy"). The story where Donald and the nephews are following a JW general for his goldmine? When they've lost him in the desert, the nephews see the bus from Duckburg coming in. And one of the passenegers is Sandy (the general) in disguise. Bernard Slaa --------------------------------- Want to chat instantly with your online friends??Get the FREE Yahoo!Messenger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20031123/0541c253/attachment.html From donrosa at iglou.com Sun Nov 23 13:52:22 2003 From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 07:52:22 -0500 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 44 In-Reply-To: <200311231102.hANB1mRv026461@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: > From: "Hoy Murphy" > Subject: Don Rosa at Mid-Ohio Con > Don, will you have any of your prints for sale this year, and will one of > them feature the Three Caballeros? That's been my favorite comic > book story > of any I've read this year (and I read a lot!), so I'd like to be able to > get a print if you will have one available. No, sorry, I don't have any prints of published art. The only thing I make prints of are things I've done for friends or special reasons that no one would have seen anywhere, f'rinstance the comic cover parodies that I do for occasions like the annual AACC banquet. About half of the prints are such parodies of DC or Marvel or EC or other comic covers (with Ducks). When I stopped doing drawings at American conventions and decided to see if anyone would want prints of these cover parodies that I had keep copies of in my files, I thought fans would go wild over them. They really *are* pretty funny and I enjoy doing them and put a *lot* of work into them to make them *exact* duplicates of the original cover layouts. But strangely, while they attract lots of attention (since they make a very colorful display of dozens of large full-color prints) not many people are interested in having copies. And I think the reason is how the American market has developed. I do these because I am a Barks fan *and* a collector of all other old American comics. But I am one of the exceptions. I think the American comic collectors recognize the famous old covers I'm parodying and think they're funny... but they don't understand why Donald Duck is in the scene. And generally speaking, the Duck/Barks fans recognize the Ducks, but they don't recognize the classic old comic covers and therefore don't understand the joke. From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sun Nov 23 15:25:56 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 15:25:56 +0100 Subject: Dubious activities of Junior Woodchucks? (Re: Barks quiz) Message-ID: <20031123141000.F0606BE93D@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> BERNARD SLAA to NILS SMEBY, 23-11-2003: >> "I see the eastbound bus from Duckburg is pulling in." Which >> Barks story? > Is it W WDC 221-01 ("Tracking Sandy"). The story where Donald > and the nephews are following a JW general for his goldmine? Indeed, it's panel 4.7. I would never have guessed this quote. I find this story a bit strange. It seems to me that general Sandy is using gold dust that belongs to Scrooge. That sounds like an *illegal* activity to me. Did Barks base this story on an existant real-life law, or something? A law that makes it possible to collect material that someone else is losing? That would seem to me like I can keep everything, as long as it happens to fall onto my property, in this case a mine. Even if there's such a law, I would expect an Junior Woodchuck officer to be wiser than raising money in a dubious way. Wouldn't a honorable Junior Woodchuck have felt obliged to find out where the gold dust is coming from, and then honestly tell the owner about the leak? Instead, this officer is secretly collecting the gold dust, using lots of tricks. At the end of the story, Donald tells Daisy that the Junior Woodchuck science hall has been built from Scrooge's money. This information seems to suggest that Scrooge kept his promise of paying for the science hall, as reward for learning more about Sandy's mine. And maybe Scrooge gladly paid, because at the same time, he learns that he is losing lots of gold dust through a leak. But if this is what happened, it isn't really very obvious. I think it's easy to conclude that the Junior Woodchuck science hall has been paid with Scrooge gold dust *directly*, without telling Scrooge anything about Sandy's "mine". And, at least, this is exactly what would have happened if Scrooge would *not* have promised a reward for finding Sandy's mine. I'm very curious for comments. --- Dani?l "In a few minutes I'll be GONE without a trace!" Which Barks story? From bi442 at lafn.org Sun Nov 23 17:21:01 2003 From: bi442 at lafn.org (Rob Klein) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 16:21:01 GMT Subject: Barks Quiz Message-ID: <200311231621.hANGL1wl060425@zoot.lafn.org> For Daniel: The story containing "I see the Eastbound Bus from Duckburg is pulling in!", is WDC & S 221, about "Dread Valley Sandy" and Scrooge unwittingly "donating some of his gold dust to pay for The Jr. Woodchucks' new Science Hall. Rob Klein --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using the LA Free-Net - LA's best kept secret. http://www.lafn.org/ From jadorno at jjay.cuny.edu Sun Nov 23 20:34:10 2003 From: jadorno at jjay.cuny.edu (jadorno@jjay.cuny.edu) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 14:34:10 -0500 Subject: Best Ducktales Episodes Message-ID: <39525438f23f.38f23f395254@jjay.cuny.edu> I'd say I like them all, but these are the ones that I'd watch over and over: 1) The Masked Mallard - Scrooge as a costumed superhero is a hoot, plus it's one of the few times that he's saved the day by HIMSELF. Gizmo- duck looks like a darn fool to me ever since I first saw this one. 2) Duck to the Future - Probably for the same reason as the one above in that Scrooge is at center, and I love how the final fight with Magica plays out at the end. 3) Launchpad's First Crash - An exciting adventure with Scrooge and Launchpad, plus it's the story of how they met. 4) Til' Nephews Do Us Part - I loved how they got ALL the characters from season one to make cameos. It's also a well done "comedy" episode. 5) Dime enough for luck - My introduction to Gladstone Gander is also a great Magica vs. Scrooge confrontation. 6) Raiders of The Lost Harp 7) Magica's Shadow War 8) Send in the Clones 9) Magica's Magic Mirror 10) The Unbreakable Bin - Magica De Spell was a lot of fun. Too bad she was ignored in the second season. 11) Attack of the Metal Mites - An episode I liked from what I refer to as "Season 3." Since it features Dijon the pickpocket, who I find annoying. I liked Gyro's Gum Chewing machine - a very "Barksian" approach to the problem of metal-eatinf insects. 12) Ducky Horror Picture Show 13) Hotel Strangeduck 14) Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. McDuck - these are great episodes to watch around Halloween. 15) Treasure of the Golden Suns - the 5-part "pilot" is excellant. 16) Spies in their eyes 17) All Ducks on Deck - My favorites among the Donald Duck episodes. In hindsight, I wonder if Gizmoduck was inspired by Donald's Superhero disguise Phantom Duck? From stratocruiser at cox.net Sun Nov 23 22:19:45 2003 From: stratocruiser at cox.net (Carey Furlong) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 13:19:45 -0800 Subject: Barks Quiz In-Reply-To: <200311231101.hANB1mRu026461@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: > From: "Klartekst" > > "I see the eastbound bus from Duckburg is pulling in." Which > Barks story? "Tracking Sandy," WDC 221, page 4, panel 7. HD&L see the eastbound bus arrive from Duckburg while eating ice cream at a desert town after they and DD fail to track Dread Valley Sandy to his gold mine. They see a suspicious dude get off the bus and from there single-handedly solve the mystery that has eluded everyone. One of the reasons I like this story so much is the great way Barks drew the desert. To me, this was always typical California desert scenery, supposedly near Death Valley. Carey From dve at kabelfoon.nl Mon Nov 24 01:28:25 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 01:28:25 +0100 Subject: Searching for Aku Ankka 1996-47 scan ("Notre Duck") Message-ID: <20031124001230.1E9B7BE7EC@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> I'm searching for a cover scan of Finnish Aku Ankka 1996-47: http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/XFC+AA1996-47 According to Inducks, it's an inked version of a Barks cover design for "The Phantom of Notre Duck" (US 60). This design has been published in the Carl Barks Library set 5, on page 289: http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/CR+US+++60b The problem is that the Carl Barks Library contains *two* different designs, and Inducks (or at least COA) doesn't mention any descriptions for them. An online scan (or at least a description) of the Finnish inked version would help me further on this. --- Dani?l From dve at kabelfoon.nl Mon Nov 24 01:45:48 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 01:45:48 +0100 Subject: Question about Disney Comics Album #2 ("Notre Duck", again) Message-ID: <20031124002954.B4A641A024A@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> This email is about a DIFFERENT design than the one I've mentioned in my previous email!!! I'm searching for information on an inked version of a Barks cover design for "The Phantom of Notre Duck" (US 60). The design has been published in the Carl Barks Library set 5, on page 289: http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/CR+US+++60a It shows Scrooge, Donald, and the nephews falling through a trap door, which is activated by the phantom pulling a rope on the background. Recently, I've seen this inked version on an American 1980s/1990s comic book album. Is it Disney Comics Album #2? http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/issue.php/0/us/DCA+++2 Please, let me know. --- Dani?l From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Mon Nov 24 11:45:46 2003 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 11:45:46 +0100 Subject: Question about Disney Comics Album #2 ("Notre Duck", again) Message-ID: Dani?l: > http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/CR+US+++60a > It shows Scrooge, Donald, and the nephews falling through a trap > door, which is activated by the phantom pulling a rope on the > background. > > Recently, I've seen this inked version on an American 1980s/1990s > comic book album. Is it Disney Comics Album #2? > http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/issue.php/0/us/DCA+++2 Yes, it is. --Harry. From hoymurphy at charter.net Mon Nov 24 13:49:50 2003 From: hoymurphy at charter.net (Hoy Murphy) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 07:49:50 -0500 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 44 References: Message-ID: <003201c3b289$72f79e00$0500a8c0@aoldsl.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Rosa" > > No, sorry, I don't have any prints of published art. The only thing I make > prints of are things I've done for friends or special reasons that no one > would have seen anywhere, f'rinstance the comic cover parodies that I do for > occasions like the annual AACC banquet. About half of the prints are such > parodies of DC or Marvel or EC or other comic covers (with Ducks). > When I stopped doing drawings at American conventions and decided to see if > anyone would want prints of these cover parodies that I had keep copies of > in my files, I thought fans would go wild over them. I've bought a few of them the past couple of years. My favorite, one I have framed and haning on my wall, is the All-Star Comics 3 cover parody with the Junior Woodchucks and Little Chickadees sitting in for the Justice Society of America. Looking forward to seeing you again! --your pal, Hoy From ggk at wp.pl Mon Nov 24 16:19:00 2003 From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:19:00 +0100 Subject: Best Ducktales Episodes References: <39525438f23f.38f23f395254@jjay.cuny.edu> Message-ID: <000001c3b2b1$f79af8f0$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8> > 6) Raiders of The Lost Harp > 7) Magica's Shadow War > 8) Send in the Clones > 9) Magica's Magic Mirror > 10) The Unbreakable Bin > - Magica De Spell was a lot of fun. Too bad she > was ignored in the second season. Manny charecter's well Ignor in the second season. For exempel Donald and Doofus. Yours Maciek From marugu171 at hotmail.com Mon Nov 24 19:09:39 2003 From: marugu171 at hotmail.com (Mats Rune Gullikstad) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:09:39 +0100 Subject: More Money Bin model Message-ID: Hi all! I need some help conserning my Money Bin model. As you may know, I painted the dollar-sign on the front facade gold, but in my norwegian comics, the sign is yellow. What's the colour of the sign in american comics? I've been thinking about painting the sign dark grey (as the bin edges), but I'm not sure. I'm now finished with the 3. floor with the gem vaults, and I'm very pleased with the result! For each room I've taken a fitting rectangular piece of wood, glued tiny tiny plastic pearls on it, and painted the pearls in right gem-colour. Still remaining: Book cases and bullions!! I also have a question about the blueprints. In the postroom on the 5. floor - is it book cases standing against the walls? Or is it something else? Finally, I want to say thanks for your positive response about the model! I really appreciate it! Kind regards, Mats _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail snakker ditt språk! http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/sbox?rru=dasp/lang.asp - Få Hotmail på norsk i dag From olaf at andebyonline.com Mon Nov 24 18:48:46 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 18:48:46 +0100 Subject: More Money Bin model In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1069696126.3fc2447ec540f@imp.webhuset.no> Quoting Mats Rune Gullikstad : > Hi all! > > > I need some help conserning my Money Bin model. As you may know, I painted > the dollar-sign on the front facade gold, but in my norwegian comics, the > sign is yellow. What's the colour of the sign in american comics? I've been > thinking about painting the sign dark grey (as the bin edges), but I'm not > sure. In U$ #321 and #323 (and probably many others as well, but that are those I have here right now), it's coloured light grey - appr. the same as the Bin walls. Olaf From longtom at oeste.com.ar Mon Nov 24 19:50:47 2003 From: longtom at oeste.com.ar (Fabio Blanco) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:50:47 -0300 Subject: More Money Bin model References: <1069696126.3fc2447ec540f@imp.webhuset.no> Message-ID: <006701c3b2bb$e1b0e180$4f7f37c8@fabio> > In U$ #321 and #323 (and probably many others as well, but that are those I > have here right now), it's coloured light grey - appr. the same as the Bin > walls. > > > Olaf Of course!!! Why throw the money on a different color of paint?? Quack! Unca Fabio bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar http://virusmental.blogspot.com From olaf at andebyonline.com Tue Nov 25 03:08:58 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 03:08:58 +0100 Subject: Richest - but since when? Message-ID: <1069726138.3fc2b9bae4fda@imp.webhuset.no> I've started pondering over a question... What was the FIRST story where it was stated that Scrooge is the richest man/duck in the world? I know the fact that he is very, very rich was established pretty early, but what I ponder about is when it was stated that he's _the richest_. Can anyone help me on that one? I _assume_ it's a Barks story (seems very logical to me), and my guess is that it's US 15 "The Second-richest Duck" - but I'm not very sure about that. In fact, I'm not sure at all. From olaf at andebyonline.com Tue Nov 25 04:57:25 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 04:57:25 +0100 Subject: Richest - but since when? In-Reply-To: <1069726138.3fc2b9bae4fda@imp.webhuset.no> References: <1069726138.3fc2b9bae4fda@imp.webhuset.no> Message-ID: <1069732645.3fc2d325ddab0@imp.webhuset.no> Hm. I hit a button by accident and therefor sent my message before it was finished. Oh, well, when I think of it, I think I had written everything but the signature. Since I wrote it, I have done a little more research, and it seems to me as if it could be "The sunken city"... but I'm so very uncertain. Can anyone help me? Olaf the Blue From Halsten.Aastebol at elkraft.ntnu.no Tue Nov 25 08:10:52 2003 From: Halsten.Aastebol at elkraft.ntnu.no (Halsten Aastebol) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:10:52 +0100 Subject: Richest - but since when? In-Reply-To: <1069732645.3fc2d325ddab0@imp.webhuset.no> References: <1069726138.3fc2b9bae4fda@imp.webhuset.no> <1069726138.3fc2b9bae4fda@imp.webhuset.no> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20031125080651.01a735d8@pop.elkraft.ntnu.no> At 04:57 25.11.2003 +0100, Olaf Solstrand wrote: >Hm. I hit a button by accident and therefor sent my message before it was >finished. > >Oh, well, when I think of it, I think I had written everything but the >signature. > >Since I wrote it, I have done a little more research, and it seems to me >as if >it could be "The sunken city"... but I'm so very uncertain. Can anyone >help me? I think Donald stated something like "The richest old tycoon in the world" when referring to uncle $crooge in the beginning of the 10-pager called "Foxy relations" (title from CB library in color). This was printed as early as 1948 I think. Halsten From timoro at hotmail.com Tue Nov 25 11:37:25 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:37:25 +0200 Subject: Richest - but since when? Message-ID: Could it be the story about statue contest with Maharajah? Statuesque Spendrift I guess it is called. There Scrooge beats that called-to-be-the-richest-man-in-the world really good. Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ................................. "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" >From: Olaf Solstrand >To: Olaf Solstrand >CC: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se >Subject: Re: Richest - but since when? >Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 04:57:25 +0100 > >Hm. I hit a button by accident and therefor sent my message before it was >finished. > >Oh, well, when I think of it, I think I had written everything but the >signature. > >Since I wrote it, I have done a little more research, and it seems to me as >if >it could be "The sunken city"... but I'm so very uncertain. Can anyone help >me? > > >Olaf the Blue >_______________________________________________ >http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - kaikki yst?v?t klikkauksen p??ss?! Lataa t?st? ilmaiseksi. http://www.msn.fi/viestintapalvelut/Messenger From frankbubacz at hotmail.com Tue Nov 25 12:30:49 2003 From: frankbubacz at hotmail.com (Frank Bubacz) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:30:49 +0100 Subject: Richest - but since when? Message-ID: Hi, Halsten is right, Donald mentions it in the ten-pager with the fox-hunt (WDC 98, Scrooge's third appearance). Frank _________________________________________________________________ Freunde werben und kr?ftig abr?umen mit der Messenger-Mania. http://messenger-mania.msn.de Jetzt FreeSMS sichern! From danshane at bellsouth.net Tue Nov 25 12:46:59 2003 From: danshane at bellsouth.net (Dan Shane) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 06:46:59 -0500 Subject: MONEY BIN MODEL In-Reply-To: <200311251101.hAPB1fRu005004@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <20031125114659.WZUO1942.imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net@DSHANELT> MATS WROTE: > I need some help conserning my Money Bin model. As you may know, I painted > the dollar-sign on the front facade gold, but in my norwegian comics, the > sign is yellow. What's the colour of the sign in american comics? I've > been > thinking about painting the sign dark grey (as the bin edges), but I'm not > sure. AND I REPLY: I've always imagined that the logo on the fa?ade was simply concrete-colored, as it's just molded cement. MATS CONTINUES: > I also have a question about the blueprints. In the postroom on the 5. > floor > - is it book cases standing against the walls? Or is it something else? AND I RESPOND: The typical mail room is full of sorting tables and pigeon-hole cases. Not bookcases, per se, but shelves with vertical separations about 4" wide. I suspect that's what Don had in mind; that's how I modeled them in the drawing anyway. From ggk at wp.pl Tue Nov 25 13:48:57 2003 From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:48:57 +0100 Subject: Richest - but since when? References: <1069726138.3fc2b9bae4fda@imp.webhuset.no> Message-ID: <001c01c3b352$805acb70$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8> > Can anyone help me on that one? I _assume_ it's a Barks story (seems very > logical to me), and my guess is that it's US 15 "The Second-richest Duck" - but > I'm not very sure about that. In fact, I'm not sure at all. I think it was "Voodoo Hoodoo" when he was it was told theat Uncel Scrooge is "The Richest man in the world". Yours Maciek From ggk at wp.pl Tue Nov 25 14:14:51 2003 From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:14:51 +0100 Subject: A Questions obaut Gladstone Luck and very first story with him. References: <1069726138.3fc2b9bae4fda@imp.webhuset.no> <1069726138.3fc2b9bae4fda@imp.webhuset.no> <5.2.1.1.0.20031125080651.01a735d8@pop.elkraft.ntnu.no> Message-ID: <002901c3b356$1edbda70$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8> I have a tree Questions obaut Gladston Gander Luck : As we oll now "Wintertime Wager" but without his Lucky gift and as far I now his Luck first time aperd in the "Race to the South Seas" (I din't read this story yet but I herd a lot obaut it). Anny wey here gous my Questions : 1) In "Race to the South Seas" did Gladstone were acting like he olwey's was Lucky or it was somehow Introduckted? 2) In how many storys Gladstone aped betwen "Wintertime Wager" and "Race to the South Seas"? 3) What was the very first Lucky thing theat hapend to Gladstone in Carl Barks storys? Yours Maciek From ggk at wp.pl Tue Nov 25 14:14:51 2003 From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:14:51 +0100 Subject: A Questions obaut Gladstone Luck and very first story with him. References: <1069726138.3fc2b9bae4fda@imp.webhuset.no> <1069726138.3fc2b9bae4fda@imp.webhuset.no> <5.2.1.1.0.20031125080651.01a735d8@pop.elkraft.ntnu.no> Message-ID: <002901c3b356$1edbda70$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8> I have a tree Questions obaut Gladston Gander Luck : As we oll now "Wintertime Wager" but without his Lucky gift and as far I now his Luck first time aperd in the "Race to the South Seas" (I din't read this story yet but I herd a lot obaut it). Anny wey here gous my Questions : 1) In "Race to the South Seas" did Gladstone were acting like he olwey's was Lucky or it was somehow Introduckted? 2) In how many storys Gladstone aped betwen "Wintertime Wager" and "Race to the South Seas"? 3) What was the very first Lucky thing theat hapend to Gladstone in Carl Barks storys? Yours Maciek From olaf at andebyonline.com Tue Nov 25 14:14:49 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:14:49 +0100 Subject: A Questions obaut Gladstone Luck and very first story with him. In-Reply-To: <002901c3b356$1edbda70$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8> References: <1069726138.3fc2b9bae4fda@imp.webhuset.no> <1069726138.3fc2b9bae4fda@imp.webhuset.no> <5.2.1.1.0.20031125080651.01a735d8@pop.elkraft.ntnu.no> <002901c3b356$1edbda70$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8> Message-ID: <1069766089.3fc355c935822@imp.webhuset.no> Quoting KUR : > As we oll now "Wintertime Wager" but without his Lucky gift and as far I > now > his Luck first time aperd in the "Race to the South Seas" (I din't read > this > story yet but I herd a lot obaut it). I don't have my comics collection in front of me right now (and that's a good thing, otherwise I couldn't see the screen), but I _do_ have the INDUCKS. And I get the impression that there was one story before "South Seas" where Gladstone's luck showed up - "Links Hijinks" (WDC 96, 1948). Haven't read it in a while, though, so I can't say for sure whether he's really lucky there or not. I remember that he beats Donald in the end, though. :-) > 2) In how many storys Gladstone aped betwen "Wintertime Wager" and "Race to > the South Seas"? Two - "Gladstone returns" (WDC 95) and "Links Hijinks" (WDC 96). Olaf From olaf at andebyonline.com Tue Nov 25 15:26:28 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:26:28 +0100 Subject: Donald's first appearance Message-ID: <1069770388.3fc3669437a97@imp.webhuset.no> Hm... I notice that in INDUCKS (or COA?), at least _two_ stories are listed as Donald's first appearance... http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/U+MMA++3-B34//_ http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/QMS+1934-009 How can this be true? I guess that MMA is a question of doubt (whether it can be counted as a story or not), but I'm still confused as I've always thought "The wise little hen" was Donald's first appearance. And as for U MMA 3-B34, I have never seen it. Is a scan of it available anywhere? Was this really Donald's first appearance, meaning everything I've heard about "The wise little hen" is wrong? Olaf From ggk at wp.pl Tue Nov 25 17:01:57 2003 From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:01:57 +0100 Subject: A Questions obaut Gladstone Luck and very first story with him. References: <1069726138.3fc2b9bae4fda@imp.webhuset.no> <1069726138.3fc2b9bae4fda@imp.webhuset.no> <5.2.1.1.0.20031125080651.01a735d8@pop.elkraft.ntnu.no> <002901c3b356$1edbda70$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8> <1069766089.3fc355c935822@imp.webhuset.no> Message-ID: <001301c3b36d$828bc0f0$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8> Thank you very much :-) Best wishes Maciek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Olaf Solstrand" To: "KUR" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:14 PM Subject: Re: A Questions obaut Gladstone Luck and very first story with him. > Quoting KUR : > > > As we oll now "Wintertime Wager" but without his Lucky gift and as far I > > now > > his Luck first time aperd in the "Race to the South Seas" (I din't read > > this > > story yet but I herd a lot obaut it). > > I don't have my comics collection in front of me right now (and that's a good > thing, otherwise I couldn't see the screen), but I _do_ have the INDUCKS. And I > get the impression that there was one story before "South Seas" where > Gladstone's luck showed up - "Links Hijinks" (WDC 96, 1948). Haven't read it in > a while, though, so I can't say for sure whether he's really lucky there or > not. I remember that he beats Donald in the end, though. :-) > > > > 2) In how many storys Gladstone aped betwen "Wintertime Wager" and "Race to > > the South Seas"? > > Two - "Gladstone returns" (WDC 95) and "Links Hijinks" (WDC 96). > > > > > Olaf > > From ggk at wp.pl Tue Nov 25 17:01:57 2003 From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:01:57 +0100 Subject: A Questions obaut Gladstone Luck and very first story with him. References: <1069726138.3fc2b9bae4fda@imp.webhuset.no> <1069726138.3fc2b9bae4fda@imp.webhuset.no> <5.2.1.1.0.20031125080651.01a735d8@pop.elkraft.ntnu.no> <002901c3b356$1edbda70$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8> <1069766089.3fc355c935822@imp.webhuset.no> Message-ID: <001301c3b36d$828bc0f0$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8> Thank you very much :-) Best wishes Maciek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Olaf Solstrand" To: "KUR" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:14 PM Subject: Re: A Questions obaut Gladstone Luck and very first story with him. > Quoting KUR : > > > As we oll now "Wintertime Wager" but without his Lucky gift and as far I > > now > > his Luck first time aperd in the "Race to the South Seas" (I din't read > > this > > story yet but I herd a lot obaut it). > > I don't have my comics collection in front of me right now (and that's a good > thing, otherwise I couldn't see the screen), but I _do_ have the INDUCKS. And I > get the impression that there was one story before "South Seas" where > Gladstone's luck showed up - "Links Hijinks" (WDC 96, 1948). Haven't read it in > a while, though, so I can't say for sure whether he's really lucky there or > not. I remember that he beats Donald in the end, though. :-) > > > > 2) In how many storys Gladstone aped betwen "Wintertime Wager" and "Race to > > the South Seas"? > > Two - "Gladstone returns" (WDC 95) and "Links Hijinks" (WDC 96). > > > > > Olaf > > From timoro at hotmail.com Tue Nov 25 17:27:04 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:27:04 +0200 Subject: Donald's first appearance Message-ID: >Hm... I notice that in INDUCKS (or COA?), at least _two_ stories are listed >as >Donald's first appearance... > >http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/U+MMA++3-B34//_ Mickey Mouse Annual doesn't have the very same Donald Duck as we know him. English 1932 appearance is more of like coincidence: a duck-character just having the same name. I think this was discussed here some time ago. Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ................................. "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - kaikki yst?v?t klikkauksen p??ss?! Lataa t?st? ilmaiseksi. http://www.msn.fi/viestintapalvelut/Messenger From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Tue Nov 25 17:29:11 2003 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:29:11 +0100 Subject: Donald's first appearance Message-ID: Olaf: > Hm... I notice that in INDUCKS (or COA?) Inducks is the name of the database, COA is the search website that uses the Inducks database. > And as for U MMA 3-B34, I have never seen it. > Was this really Donald's first appearance, meaning everything I've > heard about "The wise little hen" is wrong? There seems to be a picture of a duck in that text story, and the text mentions "Donald Duck". But it's debatable whether that duck is *the* Donald Duck. --Harry. From jerryblake2 at juno.com Tue Nov 25 19:12:07 2003 From: jerryblake2 at juno.com (Daniel J. Neyer) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:12:07 -0500 Subject: Gladstone's Luck Message-ID: <20031125.131223.-185039.0.jerryblake2@juno.com> Gladstone wasn't lucky in "Links Hijinks"--Donald winds up losing to him through a stratagem that backfires. In fact, in this story it's Donald who has the incredible luck, lobbing a golf ball past all obstacles and into the hole--but of course, the luck is negated when Donald's ball hits a duplicate he had already planted there. Didn't Gladstone appear in one other story before "Race to the South Seas"? I'm thinking of the Swami Swindle story, where both Donald and Gladstone try to raise ten dollars for Daisy's club but lose out the nephews. In this story, the Gander doesn't have any advantage over Donald, and is just a "rival braggart" as in the Wintertime Wager story. ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Wed Nov 26 10:19:58 2003 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 10:19:58 +0100 Subject: Ferioli Message-ID: I now checked: Ferioli has indeed been on DCML for quite some time. Apparently he has been so silent that everyone forgot about that. For people who want to know what mr. Ferioli looks like, here are some recent photos: http://dd50.inducks.org/fotos/j2003/p03-07.html --Harry. From Gerd.Syllwasschy at web.de Wed Nov 26 12:45:19 2003 From: Gerd.Syllwasschy at web.de (Gerd Syllwasschy) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 12:45:19 +0100 Subject: Gladstone's luck Message-ID: <200311261145.hAQBjJQ26903@mailgate5.cinetic.de> Daniel J. Neyer: > Gladstone wasn't lucky in "Links Hijinks"--Donald winds up losing to him > through a stratagem that backfires. In fact, in this story it's Donald > who has the incredible luck, lobbing a golf ball past all obstacles and > into the hole--but of course, the luck is negated when Donald's ball hits > a duplicate he had already planted there. I second that. > Didn't Gladstone appear in one other story before "Race to the South > Seas"? I'm thinking of the Swami Swindle story, where both Donald and > Gladstone try to raise ten dollars for Daisy's club but lose out the > nephews. In this story, the Gander doesn't have any advantage over > Donald, and is just a "rival braggart" as in the Wintertime Wager story. Yes, that's WDC 95 "Gladstone Returns" mentioned by Olaf. There is a third Gladstone story drawn (and probably published) before "Race to the South Seas", namely WDC 103 "Rival Beachcombers. Gerd -- <--cut here--> ______________________________________________________________________________ Horoskop, Comics, VIPs, Wetter, Sport und Lotto im WEB.DE Screensaver1.2 Kostenlos downloaden: http://screensaver.web.de/?mc=021110 From frankbubacz at hotmail.com Wed Nov 26 14:56:52 2003 From: frankbubacz at hotmail.com (Frank Bubacz) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:56:52 +0100 Subject: Gladstone's luck Message-ID: Hi, To sum it up neatly for Maciek, here's the first ten Barks stories featuring Gladstone (in chronological order of creation): W WDC 88 [Wintertime Wager] W WDC 95 [Gladstone Returns] W WDC 96 [Links Hijinks] W WDC 103 [Rival Beachcombers] W MOC 41 Race to the South Seas W WDC 110 [The Goldilocks Gambit] W OS 256 Luck of the North W WDC 111 [Donald's Love Letters] W OS 263 Trail of the Unicorn W WDC 117 [Wild about Flowers] "Race" is the first story featuring his supernatural luck. The story starts with Gladstone being the usual "rival braggart". He is even surprised, when Scrooge gives him a yacht as a present (Donald gets one, too). But okay, that might as well be, because it's not the most typical thing for Scrooge to do... ;-) Then, totally unexpected, Donald mentions Gladstone's luck on page 6. The very first "lucky thing" happening to him: he doesn't have to finance his rescue trip himself, because others are impressed by his heroic plan to save Scrooge. Of course, the first four pages of "Luck Of The North" serve as a far more satisfying introduction of Gladstone's outstanding character trait. Interestingly, in "Goldilock" and "Love Letters", there's no trace of his luck at all. It seems, in the early days Barks used Gladstone mainly as a rival, lucky or not. "Knightly Rivals" (WDC 128) is another example of a luck-neutral Gladstone, but, come to think of it, there are probably a few later stories as well, falling into this category. Frank (obviously bored) _________________________________________________________________ 5 neue Buddies = 50 FreeSMS. http://messenger-mania.msn.de Messenger-Mania - FreeSMS abr?umen mit dem MSN Messenger! From dve at kabelfoon.nl Wed Nov 26 15:27:37 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:27:37 +0100 Subject: Donald's first appearance Message-ID: <20031126141156.1AFEBBE64E@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> TIMO RONKAINEN to ..., 25-11-2003: > Mickey Mouse Annual doesn't have the very same Donald Duck as we > know him. English 1932 appearance is more of like coincidence: > a duck-character just having the same name. I think this was > discussed here some time ago. "Little Wise Hen" doesn't contain the very same Donald Duck as we know him, either. Instead of coincidence, I'm thinking of character development. And in Donald's case, his name apparently came first, while his appearance was still a rough sketch. It's a duck. A large duck? A small duck? With or without clothes? And what kind of clothes? That was decided later, but it started with a duck named Donald Duck. (Or, was it the other way around? People designing a human-like duck in a sailor suit, and *then* being reminded of a good sounding name they've used a few years before, in 1932?) Just some thoughts. I know little about those early years. --- Dani?l From dve at kabelfoon.nl Wed Nov 26 15:36:39 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:36:39 +0100 Subject: Salt on a bird's tail (US 22) Message-ID: <20031126142051.CE893BEA97@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> MATTHEW WILLIAMS to me, 19-11-2003: >> "Two sensible questions I ask, and get two SENSELESS answers! >> I'm beginning to think I left a screw loose!" > Gyro is talking about his machine that can answer "any" question! > This untitled story was originally printed in Uncle Scrooge #22. > I was tickled to hear a friend tell her son the other day that > putting salt on a bird's tail was a surefire way to catch a bird! Isn't "putting salt on a bird's tail" a common phrase that already existed before Barks used it in this story? If so, where does this phrase come from? And what's the original thought behind it? (Why salt, for example?) > This short has always been one of my favorites! Mine too! It's hilarious! (And a bit philosophical, I think.) --- Dani?l From lpj at forfatter.dk Wed Nov 26 20:29:26 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 20:29:26 +0100 Subject: Phantom Duck (was Best Ducktales Episodes) Message-ID: <00f001c3b459$f0011e40$46799dd9@idb3156> jadorno at jjay.cuny.edu wrote: > [...] Donald's Superhero disguise Phantom Duck Phantom Duck?! Do you mean PK/Duck Avenger? Lars From lpj at forfatter.dk Wed Nov 26 21:12:43 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 21:12:43 +0100 Subject: American Pie Message-ID: <00f501c3b459$fa9d2ec0$46799dd9@idb3156> Harry Fluks wrote: >> I seem to >> remember hearing that Dave Rawson is American, but I can't >> say for sure. > > Yep, he's American. From Hollywood, California. > See for a photo: http://dd50.inducks.org/fotos/j2000/usa3.html > (Or some older photographs at > http://dd50.inducks.org/fotos/j1997/p97-01.html ) When did Dave start wearing glasses? Oh, and I like the fact that you're on a photo titled "The Rawsons", Harry. Is there something you'd like to tell us? >> Correct me if I'm >> wrong, but John Lustig is American, isn't he? > > Yes, he is! Just like Michael T. Gilbert, for instance. > See http://dd50.inducks.org/fotos/j2000/usa2.html In case somebody wonders: John Lustig is the one with glasses. > Dave and John used to be DCML members. When did they leave? Lars From SRoweCanoe at aol.com Wed Nov 26 23:33:42 2003 From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe@aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 17:33:42 EST Subject: Salt on a bird's tail (US 22) Message-ID: <1e2.14539c08.2cf68446@aol.com> In a message dated 11/26/2003 9:25:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, dve at kabelfoon.nl writes: <> not so much a common phrase, but a widely believed folk story.... if you can sneak up behind a bird and sprinkle salt on it's tail - you can capture it. it was common useage by at least the 1840s (mentioned in a book by sir walter scott), and probably 1700s if not earlier steven rowe From dve at kabelfoon.nl Thu Nov 27 01:48:35 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 01:48:35 +0100 Subject: Salt on a bird's tail (US 22) Message-ID: <20031127003246.96A68BE774@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> STEVEN ROWE to me, 26-11-2003: >> Isn't "putting salt on a bird's tail" a common phrase that already >> existed before Barks used it in this story? >> If so, where does this phrase come from? And what's the original >> thought behind it? (Why salt, for example?) > not so much a common phrase, but a widely believed folk story.... if > you can sneak up behind a bird and sprinkle salt on it's tail - you > can capture it. No! You ain't kidding! Or could it be that you coincidentally are a "BIG machine that can answer ANY question", or something? :-) > it was common useage by at least the 1840s > (mentioned in a book by sir walter scott), and probably 1700s if > not earlier Are there websites which have investigated this folk story of sprinkling salt on a bird's tail? That trick doesn't really work, does it? --- Dani?l <- in shock "Well, if you want to check it out, ASK THE BIRD!" From SRoweCanoe at aol.com Thu Nov 27 02:18:24 2003 From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe@aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 20:18:24 EST Subject: Salt on a bird's tail (US 22) Message-ID: <15e.28659bf6.2cf6aae0@aol.com> In a message dated 11/26/2003 7:33:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, dve at kabelfoon.nl writes: >> not so much a common phrase, but a widely believed folk story.... if >> you can sneak up behind a bird and sprinkle salt on it's tail - you >> can capture it. >No! You ain't kidding! Or could it be that you coincidentally are a ">BIG machine that can answer ANY question", or something? :-) i recall going with my brother with a salt shaker looking for birds, this would be the late 1950s.... >> it was common useage by at least the 1840s >> (mentioned in a book by sir walter scott), and probably 1700s if >> not earlier >Are there websites which have investigated this folk story of sprinkling >salt on a bird's tail? That trick doesn't really work, does it? yes, there are websites (which is where I got the sir walter scott cite). dunno if any one has actually put salt on a birds tail steven rowe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20031127/35f296b5/attachment.html From admin at 99e.dk Thu Nov 27 06:38:30 2003 From: admin at 99e.dk (Ninie Poulsen) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 06:38:30 +0100 Subject: Salt on a bird's tail (US 22) In-Reply-To: <20031127003246.96A68BE774@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Message-ID: <000501c3b4a8$b3be3b80$0600a8c0@99e> I think it's like... If you can actually sneak up to a bird, close enough to put salt on it's tail, you could grab it... The mere act of sprinkling salt shouldn't prevent the bird from flying (http://www.eskimo.com/~icebrkr/truelies.html) F. Sprinkle salt on a bird's tail to catch it by preventing it flying away. T. If the bird let you get close enough to salt its tail, you could grab it. (From: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/folklore-faq/part4/) -99E. -----Original Message----- From: dcml-bounces at stp.ling.uu.se [mailto:dcml-bounces at stp.ling.uu.se] On Behalf Of Daniel van Eijmeren Sent: 27. november 2003 01:49 To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se Subject: Re: Salt on a bird's tail (US 22) STEVEN ROWE to me, 26-11-2003: >> Isn't "putting salt on a bird's tail" a common phrase that already >> existed before Barks used it in this story? >> If so, where does this phrase come from? And what's the original >> thought behind it? (Why salt, for example?) > not so much a common phrase, but a widely believed folk story.... if > you can sneak up behind a bird and sprinkle salt on it's tail - you > can capture it. No! You ain't kidding! Or could it be that you coincidentally are a "BIG machine that can answer ANY question", or something? :-) > it was common useage by at least the 1840s > (mentioned in a book by sir walter scott), and probably 1700s if > not earlier Are there websites which have investigated this folk story of sprinkling salt on a bird's tail? That trick doesn't really work, does it? --- Dani?l <- in shock "Well, if you want to check it out, ASK THE BIRD!" _______________________________________________ http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Thu Nov 27 11:49:42 2003 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 11:49:42 +0100 Subject: American Pie Message-ID: Lars: > > See for a photo: http://dd50.inducks.org/fotos/j2000/usa3.html > > (Or some older photographs at > > http://dd50.inducks.org/fotos/j1997/p97-01.html ) > > When did Dave start wearing glasses? Somewhere between 1997 and 2000. 8-) > Oh, and I like the fact that you're > on a photo titled "The Rawsons", Harry. Is there something > you'd like to tell us? It gets very boring to add my own name to many photos in my album. Therefore: The Tanks, The Gilberts, The Rawsons, The Van Aagtens. (And maybe also "The Jensens" in a few days? 8-) > > Dave and John used to be DCML members. > > When did they leave? Maybe they didn't leave, but are only lurking. --Harry. From ggk at wp.pl Thu Nov 27 12:53:52 2003 From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 12:53:52 +0100 Subject: Gladstone's luck References: Message-ID: <005401c3b4dd$2108e8f0$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8> > To sum it up neatly for Maciek, here's the first ten Barks stories featuring > Gladstone (in chronological order of creation): Why thank you, you relly shuden't :-) > W WDC 88 [Wintertime Wager] > W WDC 95 [Gladstone Returns] > W WDC 96 [Links Hijinks] > W WDC 103 [Rival Beachcombers] > W MOC 41 Race to the South Seas I had read "Rival Beachombers". Maby his not Lucky but tricky however on page 4, panel 7 Gladstone sey "Anny wey, now mather whou will find It [the Rubi] - I wil get moust of it, I have Luck (...) " (in m transletion from Polish to English). I just see how thous Carl Barks storys are conected : in "The Goldilocks Gambit" Gladstone Is having a Job (him? A job? Now wey) and in "Gladstone terebilly secret" Gladstone sey he have only one job in whole his Live. See the conecsion? :-) Yours Maciek From danshane at bellsouth.net Thu Nov 27 14:40:07 2003 From: danshane at bellsouth.net (Dan Shane) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 08:40:07 -0500 Subject: Salting a bird's tail... In-Reply-To: <200311271051.hARApiRu032603@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <20031127134010.VFAP1909.imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net@DSHANELT> The "trick" of salting a bird's tail to prevent its escape was used in the first WOODY WOOPECKER cartoon (which was actually an ANDY PANDA cartoon). As noted in an earlier post, the procedure was already a well-known "fact" for well over a century before the cartoon was made in the early 1940s. I've never found an origin for this legend, but it's long been something parents told their kids to watch the reaction (at least until the present generation -- most youngsters I confront with this tale today are unfamiliar with it). It's fun watching little ones in the back yard with a slat shaker in their mitts. A brand of salt sold in England (CERBEROS) actually has a picture of a small boy attempting to salt a bird's tail on the label. Dan From timoro at hotmail.com Thu Nov 27 17:04:27 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 18:04:27 +0200 Subject: Gladstone's luck Message-ID: >in "The Goldilocks >Gambit" Gladstone Is having a Job (him? A job? Now wey) and in "Gladstone >terebilly secret" Gladstone sey he have only one job in whole his Live. See >the conecsion? :-) Hey, thats right! Gladstone got that one coin from working in that camp! Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ................................. "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - kaikki yst?v?t klikkauksen p??ss?! Lataa t?st? ilmaiseksi. http://www.msn.fi/viestintapalvelut/Messenger From olaf at andebyonline.com Thu Nov 27 18:42:01 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 18:42:01 +0100 Subject: MOC 41 - what is this? / WH B6-00 Message-ID: <1069954921.3fc637693ef9a@imp.webhuset.no> Can anyone help me figure out what this is? http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/W+MOC++41-02 Its layout being "1" and its number of pages being "+"... If this is well- established INDUCKS code, I just haven't seen it before. Also what makes me wonder is that its characters are the exact same as in W MOC 41-01 (Race to the South Seas). If this is a story, it seems to be the first non-Barks Scrooge story. Which is why I wonder. (Otherwise, it's W WH B6-00) Also, can someone tell me a little about the action in W WH B6-00 ("Trail blazer" by Bob Moore)? I see it's 30 pages long, and wonder what happens there. From spe at inducks.org Thu Nov 27 19:18:38 2003 From: spe at inducks.org (Stefan Persson) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 19:18:38 +0100 Subject: MOC 41 - what is this? / WH B6-00 In-Reply-To: <1069954921.3fc637693ef9a@imp.webhuset.no> References: <1069954921.3fc637693ef9a@imp.webhuset.no> Message-ID: <3FC63FFE.6000809@inducks.org> Olaf Solstrand wrote: > Can anyone help me figure out what this is? > Its layout being "1" Layout "1" = 1-tierd. Obviously COA doesn't translate "1" into something like it does with e.g. layout "3" or layout "4". > and its number of pages being "+"... Actually, it is pages:0; part_of_page: +. This means that it takes up less than one page. Obviously COA doesn't translate this into something better, which I consider a COA bug. Stefan From frankbubacz at hotmail.com Thu Nov 27 20:02:05 2003 From: frankbubacz at hotmail.com (Frank Bubacz) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 20:02:05 +0100 Subject: Early non-Barks Scrooge Message-ID: Olaf: >I see it's 30 pages long Yes, but the pages are 1-tiers, like this: http://www.fortunecity.de/lindenpark/foto/597/wh_b-8/29.jpg http://www.fortunecity.de/lindenpark/foto/597/wh_b-8/30.jpg >From "Klondike Kid", maybe Scrooge's second non-Barks appearance. Note that there are some other DD giveaways preceding "Trail Blazer" without the appearing characters being inducksed. Frank _________________________________________________________________ NEU: Polyphone Klingelt?ne und farbige Logos f?r Ihr Handy! http://polyphonetoene.handy.msn.de Jetzt Handy aufpeppen! From timoro at hotmail.com Thu Nov 27 20:47:14 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 21:47:14 +0200 Subject: Gladstone's luck Message-ID: >You think? Then... how come Donald was so surprised to hear he had a job, >then? Ummm, on second thought that's true. There is contradiction btween these two stories. Well, smooth one-shot stories were always the main goal for Barks, not consistent unbroken continuity. Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ................................. "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - kaikki yst?v?t klikkauksen p??ss?! Lataa t?st? ilmaiseksi. http://www.msn.fi/viestintapalvelut/Messenger From kimba1962 at comcast.net Thu Nov 27 20:54:03 2003 From: kimba1962 at comcast.net (kimba1962@comcast.net) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 19:54:03 +0000 Subject: Favorite DuckTales eps Message-ID: <112720031954.17291.395e@comcast.net> Here's my take on the best DT eps: You absolutely, positively have to put "Treasure of the Golden Suns" first on your list. It set the standard for the series to come and simply blew me away the first time I saw it. (Luckily, thanks to competing stations in the Providence RI TV market, I was able to watch the two-hour premiere movie twice in two days -- a welcome luxury in my VCR-less days.) In original broadcast order, here are what I would consider to be the best of the half-hour eps: 1) Where no Duck has Gone Before -- Established Launchpad's character for good and all. 2) Master of the Djinni -- A great Scrooge-Glomgold duel, spiced with time travel. 3) Sir Gyro de Gearloose -- I still contend that this is the single best Gyro story ever done in ANY medium. 4) Hero for Hire -- Another key ep in the development of Launchpad, and technically just about perfect, despite a certain slowness owing to its early production date. 5) Much Ado about Scrooge -- Great Shakespeare pastiche, good one-shot supporting player (Filler Brushbill the super salesman), and a rare chance for a single nephew (Louie) to shine. 6) Top Duck -- The third entry in the trilogy that fully defined Launchpad for all time; just as good as the other two. 7) Pearl of Wisdom -- Scrooge vs. Black Pete in a warm homage to the Fallberg-Murry "Mickey Mouse seafaring adventures." 8) Home Sweet Homer -- Spectacular Duck-version of ancient Greek mythology. 9) Bermuda Triangle Tangle -- I always thought that Captain Bounty was one of the best one-shot antagonists in the series, and the basic premise is quite ingenious. 10) Scrooge's Pet -- Really good adaptation of "The Lemming with the Locket." 11) Time Teasers -- Barks-quality time-travel tale that compares well to Don Rosa's "On Stolen Time." 12) Raiders of the Lost Harp -- Another unforgettable Duck-take on Greek (well, Cretan) myth and legend, and a great role for Magica as well. 13) Double-0-Duck -- Among the funniest and most visually appealing eps of the first season, and when you factor in the debt that the later series "Darkwing Duck" owes to it... 14) Duck in the Iron Mask -- Until Pat Block ("Widow's Gap") and Kori Kerhonen came along, this was definitely the best example I'd ever seen of a great story that focused on a single nephew... and it still ranks right up there with those later pen-and-ink efforts. 15) The Uncrashable Hindentanic -- I defy anyone to sit through this one with a straight face. 16) All Ducks on Deck -- Beats out "Spies in their Eyes" as the best ep with Donald, in large part due to the wholly unexpected appearance by the Phantom Blot. 17) Till Nephews do us Part -- Everyone seems to love this first-season clincher. 18) The Land of Trala La -- Best of the Barks adaptations, along with "The Unbreakable Bin" and "Scrooge's Pet." I think that the changes and the addition of Fenton/Gizmoduck actually IMPROVED on Barks' original. 19) Allowance Day -- A grandly absurd "escalation" plot in the best Barks tradition. 20) The Good Muddahs -- Noncanonical they may be, but I loved The Beagle Babes, and Webby as a would-be "young moll" is the comic highlight of her (frequently painfully earnest) career. 21) A Case of Mistaken Secret Identity -- Fenton's version of the "Launchpad trilogy", this ep firmly established his frequently aggravating relationship with his alter-ego, Gizmoduck. 22) Beaglemania -- Utterly ridiculous, but a GOOD kind of ridiculous. I once described my initial reaction to this episode as "slack-jawed shock", but unlike the later series "Bonkers" and "Goof Troop," "DT" knew how to put across such absurdity and make it seem almost believable. 23) The Unbreakable Bin -- Gizmoduck adds something extra to this excellent adaptation of "The Unsafe Safe." 24) The Masked Mallard -- Once you see Scrooge in superhero duds, you'll NEVER forget it! 25) The Golden Goose -- Talk about going out with a bang. The sole highlight of the generally mediocre handful of new final-season eps. Comments and disagreements welcome, of course! Happy American Thanksgiving, Chris Barat From olaf at andebyonline.com Thu Nov 27 20:58:49 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 20:58:49 +0100 Subject: Gladstone's luck In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1069963129.3fc65779b1bc3@imp.webhuset.no> > Ummm, on second thought that's true. There is contradiction btween these two > stories. > Well, smooth one-shot stories were always the main goal for Barks, not > consistent unbroken continuity. My guess was always that Gladstone took this job because he was bored and needed something new to do - not for the money - and that he therefor didn't count it as a job. (that was before I figured out that this story was written before "Gladstone's terrible secret", though.) Besides - isn't "selling golden bricks by the bridge" also qualifiable as a job? And hasn't Gladstone also "worked" for Scrooge, by going on expeditions for him? I think that Gladstone does this only for the challenge, to get a break from always getting what he wants (which is terribly boring), and that he therefor doesn't think of it as "jobs", but just another thing he does on his spare time. Oh well. Another question: Is "Donald's Love Letters" (WDC 111) the first story where Gladstone shows romantical interest for Daisy? Or would you say that is shown in "Gladstone returns"? I like thinking of "Donald's Love Letters" as the story where Donald *figures out* that Gladstone is interested in Daisy, and that it has been a secret until that very day.. for everybody but Daisy and Gladstone. Whaddya' think? Olaf From olaf at andebyonline.com Thu Nov 27 22:23:29 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 22:23:29 +0100 Subject: Urly-burly Rumpus Message-ID: <1069968209.3fc66b5174afa@imp.webhuset.no> Is it correct that D 91377 "It's all relative", the first story of Rumpus McFowl, still is unpublished in Sweden and Denmark, or are there just missing data in INDUCKS about it? Olaf. From are.myklebust at f1101.aetat.no Fri Nov 28 08:01:22 2003 From: are.myklebust at f1101.aetat.no (Myklebust,Are) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 08:01:22 +0100 Subject: MOC 41 - what is this? / WH B6-00 Message-ID: OLAF WROTE: >Also, can someone tell me a little about the action in W WH B6-00 ("Trail >blazer" by Bob Moore)? I see it's 30 pages long, and wonder what happens >there. Hi Olaf! Just a small correction: W WH B6-00 refers to the cover (by Carl Buettner). W WH B6-01 is the story code for "Trail Blazer". Are Myklebust From Gerd.Syllwasschy at web.de Fri Nov 28 10:46:13 2003 From: Gerd.Syllwasschy at web.de (Gerd Syllwasschy) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 10:46:13 +0100 Subject: Salting a tail... Message-ID: <200311280946.hAS9kDQ17694@mailgate5.cinetic.de> Interestingly, a similar saying exists in some regions of Germany: "einem Hasen Salz auf den Schwanz streuen" ("sprinkle salt on a *rabbit's* tail"). Just a bit more surreal, I would say ... Now, why salt? In pre-refridgerating times, salt was an indispensable means to preserve meat. If you forgot to salten your meat, it might virtually "run away", i.e., get spoiled. Maybe this is where the saying comes from? Just a guess ... And why the tail? I don't know. Why a duck? Gerd -- <--cut here--> ______________________________________________________________________________ WEB.DE FreeMail wird 5 Jahre jung! Feiern Sie mit uns und nutzen Sie die neuen Funktionen http://f.web.de/features/?mc=021130 From olaf at andebyonline.com Fri Nov 28 11:39:57 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 11:39:57 +0100 Subject: Rumpus McX Message-ID: <1070015997.3fc725fd2b74b@imp.webhuset.no> Hi, I'm trying to figure out a little something about the development of Rumpus McFowl, and would need to know *one* thing right now: In WDCS 593, "It's all relative", were Rumpus' *last name* ever mentioned? Another issue: I would be VERY grateful if anyone could help me get in touch with Bill van Horn (I have a few questions I would love to ask him). If anyone can give me his address (either postal or electronical), you will always have my gratitude. Best, Olaf From olaf at andebyonline.com Fri Nov 28 13:27:11 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 13:27:11 +0100 Subject: MOC 41 - what is this? / WH B6-00 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1070022431.3fc73f1fb90d3@imp.webhuset.no> > Just a small correction: > W WH B6-00 refers to the cover (by Carl Buettner). > W WH B6-01 is the story code for "Trail Blazer". Of course. My eyes slipped, and I looked at the "Referred to in" field instead of the "story code" field. My mistake. Olaf From eega at supereva.it Fri Nov 28 21:25:26 2003 From: eega at supereva.it (Eta Beta) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 21:25:26 +0100 Subject: Marxisms Message-ID: <3FC28EE50031B22F@vsmtp4.tin.it> (added by postmaster@virgilio.it) Hi Gerd! >Why a duck? Whatever it is, I'm against it! ;-) Cheers! Eta Beta From lgiver at pacbell.net Sat Nov 29 10:17:49 2003 From: lgiver at pacbell.net (Larry Giver) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 01:17:49 -0800 Subject: WDC #111; "Donald's Love Letters"? Message-ID: <6.0.0.14.1.20031129010224.01d38558@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Why was Barks' untitled story in WDC #111 given the title "Donald's Love Letters", when at the end of the story we find they were written by Gladstone? A better title might be "Not Donald's Love Letters"? On the first page, Daisy is angry with Donald, and throws 3 items at him: his class pin, his picture, and the letters. However, looking carefully at the picture in panels 2 and 7, I think the picture looks more like Gladstone than Donald. Certainly the hat is not Donald's normal hat, but more like Gladstone's usual hat, and the expression is the usual smug Gladstone expression. Maybe even the class pin was Gladstone's? Daisy was certainly mixed up in this story. From olaf at andebyonline.com Sat Nov 29 13:02:27 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 13:02:27 +0100 Subject: An Egmont question Message-ID: <1070107347.3fc88ad3b42ca@imp.webhuset.no> Just asking for a fact about an old issue... Has it ever been the official view of Egmont that Scrooge and Grandma are siblings? And please, I'm not interested in quarreling over that again, as we all know we have different views on this. I'm just trying to figure out what has been Egmont's view. Eventually would I love to know about the circumstances around the changing of this (assuming that is NOT the official view of Egmont today). Olaf From hanskp at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 25 09:33:26 2003 From: hanskp at sbcglobal.net (Pedersen Hans) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 00:33:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: Mickey Mouse Magazine file copy variations Message-ID: <20031125083326.13337.qmail@web80211.mail.yahoo.com> I am looking for information on the different variations of 1930s Mickey Mouse Magazine file copies. The link below shows representative examples that I am aware of. I'd be very interested in hearing about other types of identification marks. http://www.hhkkpp.com/mmex.html I know it is probably a longshot but any information about the history of these would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Hans