From thomas at duckburg.dk  Sun Feb  1 01:40:07 2004
From: thomas at duckburg.dk (Thomas Pryds Lauritsen)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 01:40:07 +0100
Subject: Height of Mickey,Donald,Goofy
In-Reply-To: <401BBF86.4090208@duckburg.dk>
References: <20040131000302.93110.qmail@web12008.mail.yahoo.com>
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This message from Olaf seems to be meant for DCML:

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Height of Mickey,Donald,Goofy
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 17:03:40 +0100
From: Olaf Solstrand <olaf at andebyonline.com>
To: Thomas Pryds Lauritsen <thomas at duckburg.dk>
References: <20040131000302.93110.qmail at web12008.mail.yahoo.com> 
<401BBF86.4090208 at duckburg.dk>

I remember that in an old Barks story (too bad I can't remember which 
one), Magica de Spell transformed herself into looking like Scrooge. To 
do that, she had to first foof him and then measure him to find out how 
high he was (to make the transformation perfect). In the Norwegian 
translation, she found out that Scrooge was 99 centimetres high.



-- 
Olaf Solstrand

Telefon: 957 08 325
E-post: olaf at andebyonline.com
Heimeside: http://www.andebyonline.com/olaf/


From marmelmm at vrx.net  Sun Feb  1 05:56:19 2004
From: marmelmm at vrx.net (M. Mitchell Marmel)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 22:56:19 -0600
Subject: Scrooge McDuck and the Macintosh
In-Reply-To: <401C4AE7.1000000@duckburg.dk>
References: <20040131000302.93110.qmail@web12008.mail.yahoo.com>
 <401BBF86.4090208@duckburg.dk> <401C4AE7.1000000@duckburg.dk>
Message-ID: <v0421010ebc42375930b0@[208.180.105.205]>

http://folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Scrooge_McDuck.txt&topic=Prototypes&sortOrder=Sort%20by%20Date&detail=medium

-MMM-

From M.J.Prior at student.rug.nl  Sun Feb  1 11:44:42 2004
From: M.J.Prior at student.rug.nl (M.J. Prior)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 11:44:42 +0100
Subject: Matilda *is* Don's creation
Message-ID: <web-13761613@mail.rug.nl>

Anders Christian Siveb?k:

> Others will probably point this out, but just for the
> record, Matilda is not Don's creation.
> Her looks is, I think, as Barks has never drawn her or
> used her in a story, but he has used her
> on the two family trees he made.

Well, since Carl Barks only provided her name, and Don 
Rosa
designed her looks and provided her with a character, I'd 
say Matilda actually *is* Don's creation. 
Would you say that James Bond was *not* Ian Fleming's 
creation, only because he borrowed the name from an 
ornithologist friend of his? 

Don Rosa:

> I made up absolutely NO characters in that Tree except
> those necessitated by already existing characters so that
> there's be no out-of-wedlock shenanigans. 
> Making up characters for no reason would have violated my > entire purpose.

To illustrate Don's statement: 
of all 43 characters in Don's tree
15 have been portrayed and named in Barks' stories
8 were only named in Barks' stories
6 have names taken from Barks' tree
3 have names taken from other sources 
and only 10 characters were entirely made up by Don Rosa.

These 10 characters are: Cuthbert's parents and 
grandparents
[to link Cuthbert to Cornelius Coot], $crooge's parents 
and grandparents, Whitewater's mother [to link Whitewater 
to Eider Duck] and HDnL's father. 

And the 43th character is Fethry.

Greetings,

Michiel Prior.


From mickey at iol.it  Sun Feb  1 13:09:58 2004
From: mickey at iol.it (Mickey)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 13:09:58 +0100
Subject: Cuthbert Coot
Message-ID: <000c01c3e8bc$5bdbe820$e376b650@uno>

I can't find the story where he appears. I'm curious to know:
a) does Donald show to have never seen/heard him (as he does with
Whitewater)?
b) Where does Cuthbert stay, approximately? Far from Duckburg?
Thanks to all

Mickey


From anders_sivebaek at nns.dk  Sun Feb  1 13:26:12 2004
From: anders_sivebaek at nns.dk (Anders Christian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Siveb=E6k?=)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 13:26:12 +0100
Subject: Family relations
In-Reply-To: <200402011101.i11B1GMA018057@numerus.ling.uu.se>
References: <200402011101.i11B1GMA018057@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <fc.0064b568006e103d3b9aca001bf6b43d.6e1062@nns.dk>

Michael
>
>
>Well, since Carl Barks only provided her name, and Don 
>Rosa
>designed her looks and provided her with a character, I'd 
>say Matilda actually *is* Don's creation. 

You're entitled to have that opinion and I disagree. 
But all in all, i just wanted to point out what you also say - that
Barks gave her the name - that she wasn't made up by Don - 
I just wanted to be sure that was known. 

>Would you say that James Bond was *not* Ian Fleming's 
>creation, only because he borrowed the name from an 
>ornithologist friend of his? 
Erm - I don't know - I don't usually speak about things I don't 
know much about - i try not to at least. 

Barks gave Matilda some position - in one of his trees, if
I'm not mistaken, he made her be Gladstone's adoptive mother - 
is that not so?

Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist



From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr  Sun Feb  1 14:33:55 2004
From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 14:33:55 +0100
Subject: Scrooge McDuck and the Macintosh
References: <20040131000302.93110.qmail@web12008.mail.yahoo.com>
	<401BBF86.4090208@duckburg.dk> <401C4AE7.1000000@duckburg.dk>
	<v0421010ebc42375930b0@[208.180.105.205]>
Message-ID: <001a01c3e8c8$0a3d5240$a92bfbc1@computer>

M. Mitchell Marmel:

>>>>> http://folklore.org/StoryView.py
>>>>project=Macintosh&story=Scrooge_McDuck.txt&topic=Prototypes&sortOrder=So
rt%20by
>>>>20Date&detail=medium

Great link & story! Thanks!


"I selected an image of Scrooge McDuck sitting on top of a huge pile of
money bags, blithely playing his fiddle, with a big grin on his beak."

Cover art, obviously-- I certainly don't remember him plauing the fiddle in
any story.
Can anyone identify it?
A link to an image would be nice-- then sending it to Andy Hertzfeld so that
he can display it on the page (he apparently couldn't find it, as the image
is one of  Scrooge playing with his money).



Olivier



From M.J.Prior at student.rug.nl  Sun Feb  1 14:25:40 2004
From: M.J.Prior at student.rug.nl (M.J. Prior)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 14:25:40 +0100
Subject: Cuthbert and Matilda
Message-ID: <web-13763236@mail.rug.nl>

Mickey:

> I can't find the story where [Cuthbert] appears.

It's "Donald learns the ropes". Cuthbert lives on a cattle 
ranch at least ten miles from Duckburg and I don't get the 
impression that Donald hasn't met him before.

http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-March/022123.html

Anders Christian Siveb?k:

> But all in all, i just wanted to point out what you also
> say - that Barks gave her the name - that she wasn't made
> up by Don - I just wanted to be sure that was known.

That's true. Carl Barks gave $crooge two sisters *and* he 
named them Matilda and Hortense. But when Lars Jensen 
referred to Matilda as "Don's character", he was talking 
about how she looks - and that's entirely Don's design.

> Barks gave Matilda some position - in one of his trees, if
> I'm not mistaken, he made her be Gladstone's adoptive 
> mother - is that not so?

That's correct. Gladstone was born to Luke the Goose and 
Daphne Duck, who both died from overeating at a free lunch 
picknick. Gladstone was then adopted by Matilda McDuck and 
Goosetave Gander. Matilda's only function in Barks' tree 
was to provide a solution to how Gladstone could be 
related to both Grandma and $crooge.

http://goofy313g.free.fr/calisota_online/trees/barks.html

Greetings,

Michiel Prior.


From donrosa at iglou.com  Sun Feb  1 15:37:03 2004
From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 09:37:03 -0500
Subject: DCML Digest  Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <200402011102.i11B29M9018124@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <NHBBKFHAOLHDBCINGIHFIEEKEGAA.donrosa@iglou.com>

> From: "M.J. Prior" <M.J.Prior at student.rug.nl>
> Subject: Matilda *is* Don's creation
> Well, since Carl Barks only provided her name, and Don
> Rosa
> designed her looks and provided her with a character, I'd
> say Matilda actually *is* Don's creation.
> Would you say that James Bond was *not* Ian Fleming's
> creation, only because he borrowed the name from an
> ornithologist friend of his?

Though I feel it was Barks who created Matilda McDuck even though I gave her
a face and personality, I think it's a moot point.
But to show you the flaw in your logic before someone else does, regardless
as to whether you're ultimately right or wrong if either right or wrong you
can be in this case, I'd say you picked a bad example to illustrate your own
point. Ian Fleming gave a name to his character, but it was Sean Connery who
gave him a face and a personality (somewhat different from Fleming's
original)... so by your logic it was Sean Connery who created James Bond.
I'd say both Fleming and Connery (and some directors and screenwriters)
created the character most of the world knows as this Bond James Bond.
Perhaps the McDuck Matilda McDuck situation is similar?


From anders_sivebaek at nns.dk  Mon Feb  2 15:14:16 2004
From: anders_sivebaek at nns.dk (Anders Christian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Siveb=E6k?=)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 15:14:16 +0100
Subject: Family again
In-Reply-To: <200402021100.i12B0QMA018675@numerus.ling.uu.se>
References: <200402021100.i12B0QMA018675@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <fc.0064b568006e2b593b9aca0035c4adb6.6e2b6b@nns.dk>

MJ Prior
>
>
>That's true. Carl Barks gave $crooge two sisters *and* he 
>named them Matilda and Hortense. But when Lars Jensen 
>referred to Matilda as "Don's character", he was talking 
>about how she looks - and that's entirely Don's design.
Erm - well, I didn't realize that at the time. 
So i just wanted to make a thing clear that seems to be 
clear to all now. 
>
>That's correct. Gladstone was born to Luke the Goose and 
>Daphne Duck, who both died from overeating at a free lunch 
>picknick. Gladstone was then adopted by Matilda McDuck and 
>Goosetave Gander. Matilda's only function in Barks' tree 
>was to provide a solution to how Gladstone could be 
>related to both Grandma and $crooge.
>
>http://goofy313g.free.fr/calisota_online/trees/barks.html

Thanks for this info :-)
>
Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist



From M.J.Prior at student.rug.nl  Mon Feb  2 21:07:43 2004
From: M.J.Prior at student.rug.nl (M.J. Prior)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 21:07:43 +0100
Subject: Bond James Bond
Message-ID: <web-13800365@mail.rug.nl>

Don Rosa:

> I'd say both Fleming and Connery (and some directors and
> screenwriters) created the character most of the world
> knows as this Bond James Bond.
> Perhaps the McDuck Matilda McDuck situation is similar?

Heh. So if Carl Barks were Ian Fleming, you'd be Sean 
Connery? Or, given the fact that you began creating Duck 
stories in the eighties and still do so in the 21th 
century you'd be more like Timothy Dalton or Pierce 
Brosnan - except that James Bond movies aren't done in 
retro-style.

Speaking of which, in the first panel of "Trash and 
Treasure", Donald swings his sailor hat towards the 
hatstand, like James Bond always did in those early 
movies. Is this a Bond reference or just a funny thing?

It occurs to me that this Donald-Quackfaster-$crooge 
office situation resembles the triangle Bond-Moneypenny-M 
-- as would any other employee-secretary-employer 
situation -- and would lend itself perfectly for Bond 
injokes. 
Right now I can't think of anything funny, though.

Greetings,

Michiel Prior.

P.S.: In "Tintin and the Picaros", Captain Haddock also 
threw his [sailor] hat towards a hatstand - and missed. 
It has been said this was a reference to James Bond.

And for the Dutch readers: in "Baantjer", De Cock does 
this trick in every episode.


From bi442 at lafn.org  Tue Feb  3 03:31:14 2004
From: bi442 at lafn.org (Rob Klein)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 02:31:14 GMT
Subject: Cuthbert Coot's Ranch
Message-ID: <200402030231.i132VEhN052368@zoot.lafn.org>

>From Barks' story, it's clear that Donald and his cousin knew each other very 
well.  They are very friendly, and Donald has come unannounced to help with the 
Spring Roundup.  It is clear he has been at his cousin's ranch before, and 
Cuthbirt has no problem (nee actually is glad)with Donald's having come for an 
unannounced visit.

As to the location of the ranch - Donald says The Ducks came "down" to the 
ranch.  That can mean only two things: They drove in a southward direction, 
and/or they lowered in elevation to get there.  I suspect, that it is probably 
both.  In USA, in map/compass directions, down refers only to south.  No one 
travels down north. One says: "back east", "out west", "up north", and "down 
south". Further, the landscape around Cuthbert's ranch is desert or semi-desert
(at best). Such a climate cannot exist close to Duckburg. It must be at least 
several hours of auto driving away. In addition, it must be on the lee side of 
high mountains, and also probably lower in elevation (e.g. below see level), to 
have such a difference in climate, so nearby. This is quite possible, as 
Calisota is on the US West Coast, between California and Oregon, and thus, must 
have a high mountain range connecting the Sierra Nevada Mountains of 
California, with the Cascade mountains of Washington and Oregon. Barks' 
portrayal of The Eagleclaw Wilderness and Aeolian Mountains fits that 
requirement.  The Aeolians are so barren, as they are the second mountain range 
moving easterly from The Pacific Ocean.  They are in the rain shadow of the 
extremely high Eagleclaw Mountains (similar to the drier White mountains east 
of The lofty Sierra Nevada Range. Cuthbert's ranch must be a fair way south, 
and a bit east of the highest portion of the Aeolian Mountains (thus suffering 
from the double rainshadow (as does Death Valley-just east of The Panamint 
Range-first range east of Sierra Nevada Mountains, south of the White 
Mountains). Donald must have driven southeastward through the Black Forest, 
then continued through the lush green forests up the western slopes of The 
Eagleclaw Mountains, then eastward through a narrow pass, then southeastward 
down the slopes ofits"dry side", continued south and through a pass between the 
drier Aeolian Mountains, down its dry side, and south another 100 miles or so.  
The entire distance should be at least a 6hour drive, or at least 300 miles.

That distance and time/distance is consistant with The Cuthbert Coot story, and 
with Barks other stories in which The Ducks drive in there car, and after 
several hours, reach desert landscape (Camel story, Dread Valley Sandy story, 
Stone's throw from a ghost town, The Ghost Sheriff, etc.). In the Cousin Coot 
story, Donald grabs the Kids, jumps in his car and starts driving.  We see them 
later, away from the city, and only 10 miles from the ranch. We have no idea 
how long they've been driving.  We don't even know if it is the same day.  
Because of the extreme difference in climate, it cannot be anything near only 
10 miles away. Such a short distance would only be in the outer suburbs of 
Duckburg, or in the farmland just outside. I submit that the Boys were playing 
in the early morning, and they took a six hour drive, arriving at the ranch in 
early afternoon, the same day.  I say the ranch is approximately 300 miles 
southeast of Duckburg, across two mountain ranges, in the southeastern corner 
of Calisota. 


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From Ola.Martinsson at ericsson.com  Tue Feb  3 14:20:04 2004
From: Ola.Martinsson at ericsson.com (Ola Martinsson)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 14:20:04 +0100
Subject: Is this a comic book or a subscription folder ?
In-Reply-To: <200312051101.hB5B1SCX031986@numerus.ling.uu.se>
References: <200312051101.hB5B1SCX031986@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <401FA004.5030307@ericsson.com>

In the Gerber photo journal there is a picture of a WDC X-mas giveaway 
ca 1945. It has the same cover as WDC #59.

I have a subscription folder from 1947 that looks like this one. It is
simply a peice of paper folded once that gives it the same size as a
comic showing the frontcover mentioned above. Then it is folded two
times on the other level so it becomes one third as high as a comic.

Is it this that is portrayed in Gerber ? Or is the picture in Gerber 
actually of a WDC X-mas giveaway that they didn't know exact publishing 
year of ?

Does it say ca 1945 because Gerber didn't know exactly what year or was
this WDC X-mas giveaway/subscription folder published for more than one 
year ?

In that case, did it have the same cover all years ?

I'm sure that someone on this list must know this. It has never failed 
me yet when there is something that I wonder about. So a big THANK YOU 
to all of you whom so generously share your knowledge among us others 
that don't know as much.

Ola in cloudy Stockholm and rain on the snow


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From Ola.Martinsson at ericsson.com  Tue Feb  3 14:23:23 2004
From: Ola.Martinsson at ericsson.com (Ola Martinsson)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 14:23:23 +0100
Subject: Shamrock Bones
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References: <200401151101.i0FB1S2p016883@numerus.ling.uu.se>
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I just found out that shamrock is a kind of Irish clover. Why is the 
character Shamrock Bones named after this ? I can't see any Irish 
connection to him.
Or is this some kind of English words play that I as a Swede fail to 
understand ?

Ola in still raining on the snow in Stockholm


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From kyrimis at alumni.princeton.edu  Tue Feb  3 14:49:29 2004
From: kyrimis at alumni.princeton.edu (Kriton Kyrimis)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 15:49:29 +0200
Subject: Shamrock Bones
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> I just found out that shamrock is a kind of Irish clover. Why is the 
> character Shamrock Bones named after this ? I can't see any Irish 
> connection to him.
> Or is this some kind of English words play that I as a Swede fail to 
> understand ?

My guess is that it is a humorous reference to the name of an obscure 
character called Sherlock Holmes, but one wouldn't expect anyone, other than 
the handful of Holmes fans, to figure it out. :-)

Seriously, it's hard to come up with words that sound similar to "Sherlock" 
and "Holmes", so you can't blame the writer for using the closest words that 
he could think of, especially as the combination turns out to be quite funny!

	Kriton.
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From xephyr at cwnet.com  Tue Feb  3 18:32:11 2004
From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 09:32:11 -0800
Subject: Shamrock Bones
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From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 09:44:21 -0800
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From lpj at forfatter.dk  Tue Feb  3 23:53:42 2004
From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 23:53:42 +0100
Subject: Riverside Rover #12?
Message-ID: <009101c3eaa8$fa7b5d60$1f779dd9@idb3156>

Just to follow up on a previous mail...

Rich Bellacera wrote:

> The other 11 are: [...] Nipper [rat], [...] & Kevin [chicken?].

I emailed the editor of the Riverside Rovers stories about the species
of the various characters -- Kevin is a cockerel and Nipper a mouse.

Lars



From lpj at forfatter.dk  Tue Feb  3 23:51:34 2004
From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 23:51:34 +0100
Subject: Tron no more
Message-ID: <008f01c3eaa8$fa05df40$1f779dd9@idb3156>

The Tron comic book has been cancelled. Sigh! I was looking forward to
this...

http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8730

Lars



From lpj at forfatter.dk  Tue Feb  3 23:51:15 2004
From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 23:51:15 +0100
Subject: DD pre-Barks
Message-ID: <008e01c3eaa8$f97f9840$1f779dd9@idb3156>

Mickey wrote:

> a) Is it possible that Donald lived in Mouseton (or in the same city
> of MM, considering the recent thread about this) in the Taliaferro
> strips, at least before the arrival of HDL?

It's possible -- Taliaferro let Donald interact with Morty and Ferdie,
Horace Horsecollar, Pluto, Clarabelle Cow and Goofy. In fact, the latter
three made appearances in the strip even after Huey, Dewey and Louie had
been introduced.

Lars



From deanmary at worldnet.att.net  Wed Feb  4 09:09:25 2004
From: deanmary at worldnet.att.net (deanmary)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 03:09:25 -0500
Subject: Another mastery story by Don Rosa?
Message-ID: <002b01c3eaf6$34ccfe90$10de4b0c@deanmary>

    I believe Don that in between creating large adventure stories,
you like to vary your schedule by creating some shorter gag stories.
I was wondering if you have any intentions on creating another
"mastery" story with Donald?  I love the "Master Landscapist" story
you did and think you could do other great mastery stories as well.
Just curious.

Dean Rekich

P.S.  I have loved hearing all the different views people have on
Daisy.  My favorite was someone's suggestion that there be a story
where the tables are turned and Daisy has to pursue Donald!  Perhaps
some Disney comic writers on the list could make a good story out of
this?


From jongraywb at hotmail.com  Wed Feb  4 10:14:19 2004
From: jongraywb at hotmail.com (Jonathan H. Gray)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 03:14:19 -0600
Subject: Calisota Mentioned In Duck Tales?
Message-ID: <Law11-F38ZgAhXlyrGF000296e9@hotmail.com>

While watching the "Yuppy Ducks" episode of Duck Tales today on Toon Disney 
- One of Scrooges's executives mentioned that Scrooge bought one of the 
major baseball teams in thier home state of Calisota. This surprised me as I 
dont think I've ear heard them mention the name of the Duck's state in 
Ducktales before (its been YEARS since I've seen some of these episodes) Out 
of curiosity has something like that been mentioned before in passing?

Jonathan H. Gray

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From mickey at iol.it  Wed Feb  4 12:28:19 2004
From: mickey at iol.it (Mickey)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 12:28:19 +0100
Subject: DD pre-Barks
Message-ID: <000501c3eb11$fda58380$d4133152@uno>

Lars:

> It's possible -- Taliaferro let Donald interact with Morty and Ferdie,
>Horace Horsecollar, Pluto, Clarabelle Cow and Goofy. In fact, the latter
>three made appearances in the strip even after Huey, Dewey and Louie had
>been introduced.

Very interesting! So isn't there a clear border between the Mouseton
times and the Duckburg times...? The first story by Barks, maybe?

Mickey



From danshane at bellsouth.net  Wed Feb  4 12:49:35 2004
From: danshane at bellsouth.net (Dan Shane)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 06:49:35 -0500
Subject: Shamrock and Sherlock
In-Reply-To: <200402041101.i14B1UM8002397@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <20040204114920.OHLY1899.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@DSHANELT>

KRITON WRITES IN REPLY TO OLA:

> > I just found out that shamrock is a kind of Irish clover. Why is the
> > character Shamrock Bones named after this ? I can't see any Irish
> > connection to him.
> > Or is this some kind of English words play that I as a Swede fail to
> > understand ?
> 
> My guess is that it is a humorous reference to the name of an obscure
> character called Sherlock Holmes, but one wouldn't expect anyone, other
> than
> the handful of Holmes fans, to figure it out. :-)

AND I RESPOND:

Sherlock Holmes is hardly obscure, at least not in English speaking lands.
He has appeared in more movies than any other fictional character (Tarzan is
second), and is very well known as the first novelized consulting detective.

He has another Disney connection, serving as the model for the Disney
animated film THE GREAT MOUSE DETECTIVE, also known as BASIL OF BAKER
STREET.

Dan


From SRoweCanoe at aol.com  Wed Feb  4 13:05:20 2004
From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe@aol.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 07:05:20 EST
Subject: Shamrock and Sherlock
Message-ID: <183.2583a452.2d523a00@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/4/2004 6:53:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
danshane at bellsouth.net writes:
Sherlock Holmes is hardly obscure
which is why he added the smiley to the end of his paragraph - he was joking 
about the obscurity.

hmm, i think i have a full collection of DC comics' spylot bones - which is 
the only other one i can think of this second.

steven rowe
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From kyrimis at alumni.princeton.edu  Wed Feb  4 13:32:52 2004
From: kyrimis at alumni.princeton.edu (Kriton Kyrimis)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 14:32:52 +0200
Subject: Shamrock and Sherlock
In-Reply-To: <20040204114920.OHLY1899.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@DSHANELT>
References: <20040204114920.OHLY1899.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@DSHANELT>
Message-ID: <4020E674.6090505@alumni.princeton.edu>

DAN:

> Sherlock Holmes is hardly obscure, at least not in English speaking lands.
> He has appeared in more movies than any other fictional character (Tarzan is
> second), and is very well known as the first novelized consulting detective.

I assume that you forgot a smiley or two in the above paragraph! While I do 
not expect anyone to remember my mentioning that I am a Holmes fan in an 
earlier posting this summer, I hardly think that there is anyone in the 
western world who is not even marginally aware of who Sherlock Holmes is. 
(Recognizing distorted versions of his name, such as "Shamrock Bones", is a 
different matter, of course.)

	Kriton.
-----
"I am not here, don't worry!"
-----


From lpj at forfatter.dk  Wed Feb  4 14:03:36 2004
From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 14:03:36 +0100
Subject: DD pre-Barks
References: <HSJV1E$67CB2E02DD84EF231BAC58FCC3315071@libero.it>
Message-ID: <00af01c3eb1f$e4a2e4a0$2b779dd9@idb3156>

Mickey wrote:

>> Taliaferro let Donald interact with Morty and Ferdie, Horace
>> Horsecollar, Pluto, Clarabelle Cow and Goofy. In fact, the latter
>> three made appearances in the strip even after Huey, Dewey and Louie
>> had been introduced.
>
> Very interesting! So isn't there a clear border between the Mouseton
> times and the Duckburg times...? The first story by Barks?

In "Uncle Scrooge" #13 (1956) Barks has Morty and Ferdie casually
walking up to Gyro Gearloose, which implies they live in the same
city -- at least in this story. So no, there's no clear border between
the two eras.

Lars



From mickey at iol.it  Wed Feb  4 21:29:21 2004
From: mickey at iol.it (Mickey)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 21:29:21 +0100
Subject: DD pre-Barks
Message-ID: <000501c3eb5d$92d71180$9876b650@uno>

Lars:
>In "Uncle Scrooge" #13 (1956) Barks has Morty and Ferdie casually walking
up to Gyro Gearloose, which implies they live >in the same city -- at least
in this story. So no, there's no clear border between the two eras.

I know. But the twins could be in Duckburg for a trip. The idea of the same
city could be attractive, but  I think it's narratively inconsistant: DD and
MM never meet each other since Gottfredson :) (I'm talking about barksian&co
stories, obviously)....

Mickey


From mickey at iol.it  Wed Feb  4 23:49:40 2004
From: mickey at iol.it (Mickey)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 23:49:40 +0100
Subject: Don the writer
Message-ID: <000501c3eb71$2d5590c0$9876b650@uno>

Mr. Rosa, have you ever considered to write a story and make it drawn by
someone else? We love your artwork as you love to draw... but it could be an
interesting experiment! Think about a story of yours pencilled by Cavazzano
(the opposite of your style)!

Mickey


From xephyr at cwnet.com  Wed Feb  4 23:31:31 2004
From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 14:31:31 -0800
Subject: Disney Babies creator NOT French/Marin?
Message-ID: <E1AoVYR-0004rp-00@sac-cwmail03.cwnet.com>

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From fernandopventura at uol.com.br  Thu Feb  5 01:41:51 2004
From: fernandopventura at uol.com.br (Fernando Ventura)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:41:51 -0200
Subject: Disney Babies - Moacir Rodrigues
Message-ID: <006a01c3eb80$d882fc30$01010114@Fernando>

Rich:

"I can't remember where I read this, but recently I saw a quote from
someone, possibly from Brazil, stating that Brazilian Disney comics actually
created the concept of DISNEY BABIES and not the French.  What is the
story?"

YES! They were created by Moacir Rodrigues, a incredible good brazilian
drawer! If you were impressed by the firsts Margarida's (Daisy) comic books
covers, it's because they were drew and inked by him. I'm not sure if Moacir
created the whole Disney Babies concept, since I was told one time that this
came from Daniel Diesendruck (son of Elcan Diesendruck, REDIBRA president).

Indeed Moacir sold the project DIRECTLY to Disney-Brazil (during that time
represented by REDIBRA) and the model-sheets went to France, where they were
developed by Marin and his writers who came out with this brilliant comic
book work (I presume some french friends can add more info on this)!

But this decision surelly were not received well by the directors of Editora
Abril (especially Mr. Igayara). During the 80's we're FULL of creativity and
new projects in development, and it was never clear why Disney didin't
confide on Abril to develop the characters on comics! : (

Fernando!
(back to work!)



From olaf at andebyonline.com  Thu Feb  5 01:45:23 2004
From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 01:45:23 +0100
Subject: how to mark Carl Barks' 103th birthday
In-Reply-To: <000c01c3e5e2$869cd2e0$40246f50@chello.no>
References: <000c01c3e5e2$869cd2e0$40246f50@chello.no>
Message-ID: <opr2vgdxdm09gznx@mail.andebyonline.com>

Wow! I have to say this is a wonderful idea!

I don't feel worthy of attending it myself (plus it sounds a little too 
expensive for me), but I have a question:

Does anyone have photos of this valley? Sounds beautiful!

I found one already...
http://www.vg.no/bilder/bildarkiv/1028360628.jpg



I hope someone that attends to this trip gives us a full report of it 
afterwards!


Nils Lid Hjort wrote:

> March 27, 2004: Barks' 103th birthday. How to spend it?
> How to mark the occasion?
>
> Well: you might consider going to Tralla La, or a decent copy
> thereof.
>
> Such a tour is in fact being organised, by Norwegian
> Donaldists Tor ?demark and Torill Hylland. The "Tralla La"
> in question is the valley between Stalheim and Gudvangen,
> on the west coast of Norway. Hylland appears to be the owner
> of Gudvangen Fjordhotel, and she has tried to make her hotel,
> and its vicinity, have resemblances to the famous Tralla La valley.
> (And two of her cooks have been picked from Neuschwanstein
> in southern Germany; there lies the castle that reportedly gave Walt 
> Disney the inspiration for the Sleeping Beauty castle of Disneyland.)
>
> The tour is (apparently) open to everyone worthy of the "Donaldist" or 
> "Barksist" label. The tour involves:
>
> * Friday 26th: Bus from Oslo to Gudvangen, ultra-scenic ride.
> Various Barksian events at night.
> * Saturday 27th: Excursion costs 10 bottlecaps. Boattrip to the famous & 
> scenic Fl?m. More Tralla La events. Dinner with
> speeches and lectures (?).
> * Sunday 28th: Long breakfast, more seminars (?). Then bus to Oslo at 
> 13:00.
>
> The total price, for bus Oslo - Gudvangen and back, two nights, dinners 
> and lunches and breakfasts, according to the invitation I got in the mail 
> today, is NOK 950 (about Euro 120; quite a reasonable price, I'd say, for 
> Norway; a similar weekend with ordinary hotel prices would easily cost 
> the double).
>
> Tor ?demark has been an active Barksist and comics fan for a number of 
> years. He has published articles in various fan-magazines, and once in 
> the mid-1980ies (?) he went to Oregon to meet Barks, the whole thing 
> covered in the press.
>
> If you are interested, you may contact Mr ?demark at tor at nortur.no ,
> or telephone (+47) 22 80 37 30.
>
> Nils Lid Hjort
>
> PS: I am simply reporting the basic facts of the invitation I received
> today, and have nothing to do with either T? or the arrangement! I do 
> assume that it is ok for me to report on this event on the DCML,
> as the organisers ask us to make it "more public", and to mention this
> to persons that they might have "forgotten". While this is geared mostly
> towards the vaguely defined crowd of "Norwegian Barks fans who might have 
> known Tor ?demark 10-20-30 years ago", it is clear that
> also people outside this core segment will be welcomed. I notice that
> both Don Rosa and Marco Rota are on the invitees list. -- This list is
> a bit "pre industrial revolution", dating essentially to the pre-email 
> and pre-DCML days, I observe; there are arguably "famous present names" 
> not on the list, etc.

From madame82 at hotmail.com  Thu Feb  5 05:25:25 2004
From: madame82 at hotmail.com (Madame Jennifer Inantaz)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 22:25:25 -0600
Subject: Cavazzano~
Message-ID: <BAY10-F119IN8DRAFl40004495f@hotmail.com>

Mickey wrote:
>>Mr. Rosa, have you ever considered to write a story and make it drawn by
someone else?...Think about a story of yours pencilled by Cavazzano...

Me:
Cavazzano? *drools* The possibility is probably nil, but Cavazzano... 
o(^.^)O
I want to see Cavazzano stuff! And more Fecchi too, but coupled with a 
better story writer!

I know, I just pop up out of no where...
...you never know where the OchaGirl will be...

Enough of me being a goof.

...only the Shadow knows...

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From sonia.dyer at hp.com  Thu Feb  5 06:15:46 2004
From: sonia.dyer at hp.com (Dyer, Sonia)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 21:15:46 -0800
Subject: Quiz
Message-ID: <1C4766A743ADF74FAEDF2AAD0679BAA2B5C6E7@cacexc03.americas.cpqcorp.net>


Scrooge's money bin contains a particular diamond, that is the most
famous one in the United States.  
What is the name of the diamond?  What story?




From mnaiman1 at cox.net  Thu Feb  5 07:01:47 2004
From: mnaiman1 at cox.net (Michael Naiman)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:01:47 -0800
Subject: Barks paintings
Message-ID: <C845991B-57A0-11D8-A44A-0050E4F90318@cox.net>

Does anyone know the highest amount of cash paid for a Barks painting?

  Michael


From lpj at forfatter.dk  Thu Feb  5 13:12:21 2004
From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 13:12:21 +0100
Subject: DD pre-Barks
Message-ID: <00ab01c3ebe1$c6f94620$76749dd9@idb3156>

Mickey wrote:

>> In "Uncle Scrooge" #13 (1956) Barks has Morty and Ferdie casually
>> walking up to Gyro Gearloose, which implies they live in the same
>> city -- at least in this story.
>
> I know. But the twins could be in Duckburg for a trip.

Sure they could. They clearly know Gyro and Grandma Duck well, though.
In fact, they know Grandma so well they know she has an electric car.
But, of course, Morty and Ferdie could have met Gyro and Grandma at some
earlier Mouse Family/Duck Family get-together.

> The idea of the same city could be attractive, but  I think it's
> narratively inconsistant: DD and MM never meet each other since
> Gottfredson :) (I'm talking about barksian&co stories, obviously)....

I'm not sure what you mean by "Barksian & Co". Apart from the above
example, "Hound of the Moaning Hills" (JW #12) and "The Day the Mountain
Shook" (JW #13), I don't recall any Barks-written material using Mouse
characters alongside Duck characters, no. But other writers of the time
had no problem teaming them up. (Just think of Vic Lockman, for
instance.) And (some of) Barks' successors continue to this day to let
these characters meet each other. With good results, too, in my opinion.

Lars



From eega at supereva.it  Thu Feb  5 13:19:01 2004
From: eega at supereva.it (Eta Beta)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 13:19:01 +0100
Subject: Scrooge McDuck and the Macintosh
In-Reply-To: <200402021100.i12B0QMA018675@numerus.ling.uu.se>
References: <200402021100.i12B0QMA018675@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <19371230055045.1857@mail.tin.it>

Olivier, Mitchell,

>"I selected an image of Scrooge McDuck sitting on top of a huge pile of
>money bags, blithely playing his fiddle, with a big grin on his beak."
>
>Cover art, obviously-- I certainly don't remember him plauing the fiddle in
>any story.
>Can anyone identify it?

I'm puzzled and not a little stumped... I searched high and low
in my covers' collection as well as in inducks, with no results.

No Scrooge playing fiddles or violins nowhere... I have him
playing a cash register (US 5), a flute (US 19), a dollar-shaped
big lyre (US 38), a... coinophone (US 119) and a... er...
piggybankophone :-) (US 197).

He's got a big grin in most if not all of those, but never
sits on piles of money bags, so I guess this cannot be a
case of Andy Herzfeld misremembering details... but it's still
a possibility :-)

My guess, however, is that it *might* have come from some
illustrated book, rather than a comic...


Cheers!

Eta Beta

From danshane at bellsouth.net  Thu Feb  5 14:05:17 2004
From: danshane at bellsouth.net (danshane@bellsouth.net)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 8:05:17 -0500
Subject: Elementary, my dear Kriton...
Message-ID: <20040205130517.GRMT1911.imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net>

KRITON WRITES:

> > Sherlock Holmes is hardly obscure, at least not in English 
> speaking lands.
> > He has appeared in more movies than any other fictional character 
> > (Tarzan is second), and is very well known as the first 
> novelized consulting detective.
> 
> I assume that you forgot a smiley or two in the above 
> paragraph! While I do not expect anyone to remember my 
> mentioning that I am a Holmes fan in an earlier posting this 
> summer, I hardly think that there is anyone in the western 
> world who is not even marginally aware of who Sherlock Holmes is. 
> (Recognizing distorted versions of his name, such as 
> "Shamrock Bones", is a different matter, of course.)

AND I REPLY:

I don't use smileys or any other emoticons in my messages.  But if I did, I would not have placed any in my last post.  Since I missed the significance of the emoticon at the end of your original message about Holmes being an "obscure" character, I suppose others could have done the same.  It's still hard getting used to what is common knowledge among this group of international friends.  I completely failed to pick up on the sarcasm in your Holmes reference, smiley or no, so you'll have to excuse me for being a bit dull yesterday.

Dan



From mickey at iol.it  Thu Feb  5 14:26:06 2004
From: mickey at iol.it (Mickey)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 14:26:06 +0100
Subject: DD pre-Barks
Message-ID: <000501c3ebeb$9ca496e0$b4133152@uno>

Lars:

>of course, Morty and Ferdie could have met Gyro and Grandma at some earlier
Mouse Family/Duck Family get-together.

I think it's the most probable hypothesis...

>I'm not sure what you mean by "Barksian & Co".

Barks and Rosa, mainly ^_^;; Theorically, Van Horn and other successors of
Barks, too.

>Apart from the above (cut)  I don't recall any Barks-written material using
Mouse characters alongside Duck characters, no.

That's the problem: who considers Barks (and Rosa) as the most reliable
source, can't think that the families of DD and MM live in the same city,
since they're supposed to be friends but they never meet... I don't know if
I'm clear T_T

>But other writers of the time had no problem teaming them up.

Sure, even in Italian stories it's quite normal a meeting; but here
"Topolinia" and "Paperopoli" are two distinct locations.
Instead in American ones I see it's not so.

>And (some of) Barks' successors continue to this day to let these
characters meet each other.

For example?
bye

Mickey


From jean-marc.bano at wanadoo.fr  Thu Feb  5 14:58:40 2004
From: jean-marc.bano at wanadoo.fr (jeanmarcbano)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 14:58:40 +0100
Subject: DD pre-Barks
Message-ID: <000601c3ebf0$295ceca0$37a93351@jmbano>

There is a good story, which is a sort of parody, where there is an interaction between Donald, the kids and Mickey Mouse which is called paperopoli liberata, published in 1967 in Topolino 598, drawn by Giovan Battista Carpi; this is true that the very good Gottfredson in his 30's stories tended to mix both the characters of Mickey and Donald in the same places and intrigues (house of the seven ghost and others stories); i can be wrong but i think that might be justified at this period because there wasn't an appropriate city and place for developping Donald's own world; i would like to know whether Gottfredson mixed the two characters one or two decades later with the same regularity due to the creations of the others characters around Donald by Barks and Taliaferro (and also by the italians artists), and the creation of Duckburg by Barks; i guess it was easier to use Donald in Mousetown at the beginning when he used to be isolated from a particular town or family than it has been the case later.
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From comicchar_shop at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  5 17:30:16 2004
From: comicchar_shop at yahoo.com (dennis books)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 08:30:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Bark's painting price
Message-ID: <20040205163016.62345.qmail@web12005.mail.yahoo.com>

Highest i have record of is $505,000 in 1997 for MARDI GRAS BEFORE THE THAW. I have not seen a verification of this figure or an update of any later sales records. Anybody else with a quote? Several paintings more to my liking i am sure could be had for much less.
 
anything for a duck...Dennis


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From willem.hajenius at ping.be  Thu Feb  5 19:24:36 2004
From: willem.hajenius at ping.be (Willem Hajenius)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 19:24:36 +0100
Subject: 'Easter eggs' in certain stories
Message-ID: <000b01c3ec15$94cc6f40$03000004@hajeniuscomp>

Hello fellow Duck fans,

While re-reading my collection of Donald Duck Extra's, I stumbled upon
some very nice easter eggs in certain stories! I was wondering whether
anyone else has noted them?


Issue 11/97, D96089, page 24, frame 2:
in U$'s scrapbook is written 'donrosa at iglou.com' Very nice gag, Don!


Issue  4/98, D96203, page 18, frame 2:
"Man, wat zijn we een geweldig TEAM! We gaan naar kreli-olie zoeken op Altair 4!
Nebuliet zoeken in de kristalbergen op Kenodon! Zoiets heb je nog NOOIT meegemaakt!"

(translation: "Man, are we a great TEAM! We'll search for kreli-oil on Altair 4!
Search for Nebulite in the crystal mountains on Kenodon! You've NEVER seen anything like that!"

For some reason, 'Kenodon' rings a bell! :-) Does Don Rosa's original English text
also use that word, or was it changed by the Dutch translator/publisher?


Issue 10/98, D96116, page 1, frame 6:
around the bits and pieces lying on the floor in Gyro's workshop is a miniature of
a time travel machine I've seen before; don't know which story though.


Issue 13/98, D95081, page 10, frame 7: "...dus ik zeg tegen Willem van Hoorn, de ijsco-
koning, ik zeg, Willem ouwe jongen, DOE MIJ MAAR VANILLE! En bla bla bla..."

(translation: "so I say to Willem van Hoorn, the icecream king, I say, Willem old boy,
FETCH ME A VANILLA! And blah, blah, blah..."

Willem van Hoorn is (obviously) a 'dutchification' of William van Horn, the artist
of that story; and the reason he's an icecream king is that in Dutch, an 'ijshoorn'
is a 'snow-cone'.


Issue  1/99, D96264, page 1, frame 1:
Mickey and Minnie fly around in the airplane from 'Plane Crazy'


Perhaps it would be nice to add these easter eggs to the appropriate INDUCKS-file?

Best wishes,

Alexander Hajenius.



From xephyr at cwnet.com  Thu Feb  5 19:14:44 2004
From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 10:14:44 -0800
Subject: FERDIE: Disney Babies (Rodrigues v. Marin)
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From lpj at forfatter.dk  Thu Feb  5 21:01:43 2004
From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:01:43 +0100
Subject: DD pre-Barks
Message-ID: <017601c3ec23$72fd01a0$76749dd9@idb3156>

Mickey wrote:

>> of course, Morty and Ferdie could have met Gyro and Grandma at some
>> earlier Mouse Family/Duck Family get-together.
>
> I think it's the most probable hypothesis... [...]
>
> the problem: who considers Barks (and Rosa) as the most reliable
> source, can't think that the families of DD and MM live in the same
> city, since they're supposed to be friends but they never meet...

Mickey, you believe Morty and Ferdie must have met Gyro and Grandma at
some get-together, although Barks never showed this in a story. Why
can't you believe Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse live in the same city --
even though Barks never showed this in a story?!

>> And (some of) Barks' successors continue to this day to let these
>> characters meet each other.
>
> For example?

The Danish weekly just ran a subseries written by Per Hedman and Pat &
Carol McGreal. A few years ago Andreas Pihl wrote a Donald/Mickey/Goofy
team-up for the pocket books. Other writers include Dave Rawson and
Byron Erickson. And that's only in Denmark -- I could find (recent and
not-so-recent) examples from Italy, Brazil and the US, too.

Lars



From olaf at andebyonline.com  Thu Feb  5 21:11:45 2004
From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:11:45 +0100
Subject: DD pre-Barks
In-Reply-To: <017601c3ec23$72fd01a0$76749dd9@idb3156>
References: <017601c3ec23$72fd01a0$76749dd9@idb3156>
Message-ID: <opr2wydvj009gznx@mail.andebyonline.com>

Lars:

> A few years ago Andreas Pihl wrote a Donald/Mickey/Goofy
> team-up for the pocket books.

Lars, do you remember where this story is? I can't remember it, so I'm 
curious of where to find it.

From lpj at forfatter.dk  Thu Feb  5 21:38:39 2004
From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:38:39 +0100
Subject: DD pre-Barks
Message-ID: <01a001c3ec28$929cc360$76749dd9@idb3156>

Olaf Solstrand wrote:

>> A few years ago Andreas Pihl wrote a Donald/Mickey/Goofy
>> team-up for the pocket books.
>
> Lars, do you remember where this story is? I can't remember it, so I'm
> curious of where to find it.

http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/D+98246 . In Norway it's been
printed in Donald Pocket 269. In the US, it was printed in Gemstone's
recently-published Donald Duck Adventures #3.

Lars



From olaf at andebyonline.com  Thu Feb  5 21:43:55 2004
From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:43:55 +0100
Subject: DD pre-Barks
In-Reply-To: <01a001c3ec28$929cc360$76749dd9@idb3156>
References: <01a001c3ec28$929cc360$76749dd9@idb3156>
Message-ID: <opr2wzvhyg09gznx@mail.andebyonline.com>

> http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/D+98246 . In Norway it's been
> printed in Donald Pocket 269. In the US, it was printed in Gemstone's
> recently-published Donald Duck Adventures #3.

Naturally. I remember it now. Thanks.




From xephyr at cwnet.com  Thu Feb  5 21:46:07 2004
From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 12:46:07 -0800
Subject: DD pre-Barks
Message-ID: <E1AoqNz-0007fI-00@sac-cwmail03.cwnet.com>

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From jlfarr495 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  5 22:53:16 2004
From: jlfarr495 at yahoo.com (Joseph Farrell)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 13:53:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 12, Issue 8
In-Reply-To: <200402052041.i15KetM9004490@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <20040205215316.92142.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com>

Maybe I am completely wrong about this, but I seem to
recall reading somewhere that Barks originally had
intended to have Huey, Dewey, and/or Louie meet Gyro
in this story, but ran afoul of some absurd U.S.
postal regulation that required the magazine to
feature some different characters in the second story.
Perhaps on his own initiative, or perhaps on
instructions from Western, Barks then substituted
Morty and Ferdie, characters whom he would not have
used in the normal course of things.


Mickey wrote:

>> of course, Morty and Ferdie could have met Gyro and
Grandma at some
>> earlier Mouse Family/Duck Family get-together.
>
> I think it's the most probable hypothesis... [...]
>
> the problem: who considers Barks (and Rosa) as the
most reliable
> source, can't think that the families of DD and MM
live in the same
> city, since they're supposed to be friends but they
never meet...

Mickey, you believe Morty and Ferdie must have met
Gyro and Grandma at
some get-together, although Barks never showed this in
a story. Why
can't you believe Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse live in
the same city --
even though Barks never showed this in a story?!

>> And (some of) Barks' successors continue to this
day to let these
>> characters meet each other.


From fernandopventura at uol.com.br  Fri Feb  6 01:02:01 2004
From: fernandopventura at uol.com.br (Fernando Ventura)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 22:02:01 -0200
Subject: Two 'D's!
Message-ID: <029701c3ec44$96d81260$0100a8c0@Fernando>

The "E" on a D-coded story means it's experimental, for example D/E
2000-003. And what about DD, for example D D 2000-013?

Fernando!



From spe at inducks.org  Fri Feb  6 01:06:11 2004
From: spe at inducks.org (Stefan Persson)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 01:06:11 +0100
Subject: Two 'D's!
In-Reply-To: <029701c3ec44$96d81260$0100a8c0@Fernando>
References: <029701c3ec44$96d81260$0100a8c0@Fernando>
Message-ID: <4022DA73.2070306@inducks.org>

Fernando Ventura wrote:
> The "E" on a D-coded story means it's experimental, for example D/E
> 2000-003. And what about DD, for example D D 2000-013?

D = Development, I think.

Stefan

From olaf at andebyonline.com  Fri Feb  6 01:08:51 2004
From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 01:08:51 +0100
Subject: Two 'D's!
In-Reply-To: <029701c3ec44$96d81260$0100a8c0@Fernando>
References: <029701c3ec44$96d81260$0100a8c0@Fernando>
Message-ID: <opr2w9c11i09gznx@mail.andebyonline.com>

P? Thu, 5 Feb 2004 22:02:01 -0200, skrev Fernando Ventura 
<fernandopventura at uol.com.br>:

> The "E" on a D-coded story means it's experimental, for example D/E
> 2000-003. And what about DD, for example D D 2000-013?

That's "development" or "developing" or something like that. E.g. this 
letter is often used for the new and evolving writers and artists.



From fernandopventura at uol.com.br  Fri Feb  6 02:01:04 2004
From: fernandopventura at uol.com.br (Fernando Ventura)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:01:04 -0200
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?=22D=22=B2_-_Thanks!!!?=
References: <029701c3ec44$96d81260$0100a8c0@Fernando>
	<4022DA73.2070306@inducks.org>
Message-ID: <02c001c3ec4c$b5ca0090$0100a8c0@Fernando>

Thank you so much, Stefan and Olaf! I've asked because I'm doing a little
review of ower last Mickey comic book (with 3 D-Coded) to this site:
http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/culturaalternativa2003/ !

Fernando! : )



From olaf at andebyonline.com  Fri Feb  6 12:30:25 2004
From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 12:30:25 +0100
Subject: Newsflashes
Message-ID: <opr2x4wzq809gznx@mail.andebyonline.com>

Wow, so much is going on in Norway(/Scandinavia) right now! Here's a few 
examples:

-- Soon comes the new book series "Hall of Fame". Every book will focus on 
a specific artist, with articles, personal comments and lots of comics. I 
understand that in Don Rosa's case, the goal is to publish _all his stories 
in chronological order_! (if anyone's interested in ordering this, try e- 
mail hof at egmont.no or phone +47 24 05 13 10)

-- Last summer there was a competition in one of the biggest newspapers in 
Norway, Dagbladet, where people were encouraged to write their own Donald 
Duck scripts. The five winners are now picked out - according to editor 
Tormod L?kling, many of them are good enough to deserve a place in the 
weekly.

-- ...and a new competition is going on already. Kids up to the age of 15 
can send their own Donald Duck comic strips or covers to the national TV 
program "Etter skoletid" at NRK - every week they pick a winner, and all 
the best strips will be printed in the weekly. Also, the best cover will be 
redrawn by a professional artist and used on the weekly.

-- And finally: After the success in 2002, DON ROSA COMES BACK TO THE 
RAPTUS FESTIVAL THIS SEPTEMBER! (I'm so thrilled because I know that this 
year I will actually be there myself!)

From M.J.Prior at student.rug.nl  Fri Feb  6 13:26:19 2004
From: M.J.Prior at student.rug.nl (M.J. Prior)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 13:26:19 +0100
Subject: Easter eggs
Message-ID: <web-13894208@mail.rug.nl>

Alexander Hajenius:

> Issue 13/98, D95081, page 10, frame 7: "...dus ik zeg 
> tegen Willem van Hoorn, de ijsco-koning, ik zeg, Willem
> ouwe jongen, DOE MIJ MAAR VANILLE! En bla bla bla..."

"DOE MIJ MAAR VANILLE!" looks like a literal quote from 
Barks' "Voodoo Hoodoo". On the last page, in the last 
panel, Donald says: "Let them have it! I'll take 
vanilla!".

Michiel Prior.


From sdebeer at talk21.com  Fri Feb  6 13:40:54 2004
From: sdebeer at talk21.com (sdebeer@talk21.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:40:54 GMT+00:00
Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9
Message-ID: <20040206134404.FCQC2315.wmpmta05-app.mail-store.com@wmpmtavirtual>



Rich Bellacera wrote,

as far as the USA is concerned, Mouseton (Mouseville/Hometown) and Duckburg are both in Webfoot County 


A bit like San Fransisco-Berkely or Mineapolis-St Paul being in the same county?



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From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl  Fri Feb  6 17:34:22 2004
From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 17:34:22 +0100
Subject: Quiz
Message-ID: <AEEC81A4DAC9554A88BCEA431A34CC04018AB1FD@ds04.tnoase.telecom.tno.nl>

Sonia:

> Scrooge's money bin contains a particular diamond, that is the most
> famous one in the United States.  
> What is the name of the diamond?  What story?

I think it's the candy-striped ruby from The Status Seeker.
(In the Dutch translation it's not the "most famous in the US", but "the most expensive in the world".)

--Harry.

Harry Fluks  --  TNO Telecom  --  Delft  --   Nederland
h.w.fluks at telecom.tno.nl   --   http://dd50.inducks.org
"Wie ben ik? Wat doe ik hier? Waar is mijn Roddelflop?"


From olaf at andebyonline.com  Fri Feb  6 17:37:20 2004
From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 17:37:20 +0100
Subject: Quiz
In-Reply-To: <AEEC81A4DAC9554A88BCEA431A34CC04018AB1FD@ds04.tnoase.telecom.tno.nl>
References: <AEEC81A4DAC9554A88BCEA431A34CC04018AB1FD@ds04.tnoase.telecom.tno.nl>
Message-ID: <opr2yi4ixw09gznx@mail.andebyonline.com>

P? Fri, 6 Feb 2004 17:34:22 +0100, skrev <H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl>:

> I think it's the candy-striped ruby from The Status Seeker.
> (In the Dutch translation it's not the "most famous in the US", but "the 
> most expensive in the world".)

Hm... But that's not a diamond, is it?





From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl  Fri Feb  6 17:48:35 2004
From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 17:48:35 +0100
Subject: 'Easter eggs' in certain stories
Message-ID: <AEEC81A4DAC9554A88BCEA431A34CC040116E577@ds04.tnoase.telecom.tno.nl>

Willem Alexander Hajenius:

> While re-reading my collection of Donald Duck Extra's, I stumbled upon
> some very nice easter eggs in certain stories! I was wondering whether
> anyone else has noted them?

I noticed most of them. I am pointing to some similar "eggs" on my website:
http://dd50.inducks.org/xoverv1a.html

> Issue  4/98, D96203, page 18, frame 2:
> For some reason, 'Kenodon' rings a bell! :-) Does Don Rosa's 
> original English text
> also use that word, or was it changed by the Dutch 
> translator/publisher?

I think it was Dutch. But I didn't check.

> Issue 10/98, D96116, page 1, frame 6:
> around the bits and pieces lying on the floor in Gyro's 
> workshop is a miniature of
> a time travel machine I've seen before; don't know which story though.

This might be the standard time travel machine from the time travel machine series. Marco Rota drew a story in that series, which was published in Holland: D 9434 in Dubbelalbum 18 / Big Fun 2.

> Issue 13/98, D95081, page 10, frame 7: "...dus ik zeg tegen 
> Willem van Hoorn, de ijsco-koning

This reminds me of a very funny text in a recent Gemstone comic, in a Van Horn story.
Donald is summing op all kinds of horns: car horns, bike horns, motor horns, van horns...
(a "van" being a kind of car).

> Issue  1/99, D96264, page 1, frame 1:
> Mickey and Minnie fly around in the airplane from 'Plane Crazy'

Another Marco Rota story.
Rota loved to add visual inside-jokes like this.

In the Rota story in the recent KATRIEN issue (#1-2004), I think I recognise Egmont editors Lars Bergstrom and Stefan Printz-Pahlsson as secundary characters...

> Perhaps it would be nice to add these easter eggs to the 
> appropriate INDUCKS-file?

Sometimes we add information like this. But many times we simply forget, or decide that adding the info would spoil the fun for new readers...


Michiel J. Prior:

> > Issue 13/98, D95081

> "DOE MIJ MAAR VANILLE!" looks like a literal quote from 
> Barks' "Voodoo Hoodoo". On the last page, in the last 
> panel, Donald says: "Let them have it! I'll take 
> vanilla!".

I guess "I'll take vanilla" is a standard expression in (American) English, though I don't understand its meaning or background.

BTW, in the Dutch translation of Voodoo Hoodoo, the final panel only says "Let's go home, I'll treat you on an ice-cream"...

--Harry.

Harry Fluks  --  TNO Telecom  --  Delft  --   Nederland
h.w.fluks at telecom.tno.nl   --   http://dd50.inducks.org
"Wie ben ik? Wat doe ik hier? Waar is mijn Roddelflop?"


From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl  Fri Feb  6 18:03:42 2004
From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 18:03:42 +0100
Subject: Disney Babies
Message-ID: <AEEC81A4DAC9554A88BCEA431A34CC040116E578@ds04.tnoase.telecom.tno.nl>

Fernando wrote to Rich:

>> Brazilian Disney comics actually
>> created the concept of DISNEY BABIES and not the French.

> YES! They were created by Moacir Rodrigues, a incredible good brazilian
> drawer!
> Indeed Moacir sold the project DIRECTLY to Disney-Brazil (during that time
> represented by REDIBRA) and the model-sheets went to France, where they were
> developed by Marin and his writers who came out with this brilliant comic
> book work (I presume some french friends can add more info on this)!

Strange. In Inducks, we have information about French Disney Babies stories, and American (S-coded) Disney Babies stories (and no Brazilian ones). Both series start in 1986.
Is it possible that the model sheets went to the USA too? Did they independently developed their series, or did they cooperate?

--Harry.

Harry Fluks  --  TNO Telecom  --  Delft  --   Nederland
h.w.fluks at telecom.tno.nl   --   http://dd50.inducks.org
"Wie ben ik? Wat doe ik hier? Waar is mijn Roddelflop?"


From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl  Fri Feb  6 18:39:42 2004
From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 18:39:42 +0100
Subject: Daniel's Wolf quiz
Message-ID: <AEEC81A4DAC9554A88BCEA431A34CC040116E57A@ds04.tnoase.telecom.tno.nl>

Several weeks ago, Dani?l van Eijmeren wrote:

> 'Sheepish Cowboys' (OS 1010). [..]
> There has been another occasion in which Barks working on a production 
> that contained the Big Bad Wolf. Quiz question: Do you know which one?

I don't think I saw this question answered here...

Since you're writing "production", my guess is that this is not about a comic story.
A cartoon, maybe?
Did Barks work on a TLP/BW cartoon? Inducks doesn't list any.

--Harry.


From kimba1962 at comcast.net  Fri Feb  6 19:28:30 2004
From: kimba1962 at comcast.net (kimba1962@comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 18:28:30 +0000
Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 12, Issue 5
Message-ID: <020620041828.19840.51df@comcast.net>

Jonathan Gray wrote:

> While watching the "Yuppy Ducks" episode of Duck Tales today on Toon Disney 
> - One of Scrooges's executives mentioned that Scrooge bought one of the 
> major baseball teams in thier home state of Calisota. This surprised me as I 
> dont think I've heard heard them mention the name of the Duck's state in 
> Ducktales before (its been YEARS since I've seen some of these episodes) Out 
> of curiosity has something like that been mentioned before in passing?

This was the one and only mention of "Calisota" on DUCKTALES.  It was especially surprising given that it appeared in a second-season episode, and by that time, the "Barks adaptation" aspect of the series was in the process of being phased out ("The Land of Trala La" and "The Unbreakable Bin" were the only two full-fledged Barks adaptations in season two, as I recall).

Chris Barat

 

From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com  Fri Feb  6 22:17:43 2004
From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:17:43 EST
Subject: Walt Kelly Audio Interview/John Hench Dies
Message-ID: <1cf.1916d8c0.2d555e77@aol.com>

Hi all!

The Comics Journal has two mp3 clips lasting a total of about an hour of a 
1969 interview with Walt Kelly. Haven't listened to them myself yet, but I'm 
sure they're interesting.

http://www.tcj.com/listen/listen.html

BTW, I heard this morning that John Hench had died of heart failure. He 
started working for Disney in 1939 and worked his way through the ranks as an 
artist. He worked on the short film Destino that wasn't completed until recently 
and is nominated for an Academy Award. 

Hench was the lead developer of the hydraulic giant squid in&amp;nbsp; '20,000 
Leagues Under The Sea' (a great looking film even today!) in 1954 which won an 
Academy Award for Best Special Effects. 

After that film, he moved to WED Enterprises designing attractions for 
Disneyland, Disney World, Tokyo Disneyland and Euro Disney. He also designed the 
Olympic Torch for the 1960 Winter Olympics in Squaw Valley, California from which 
all future torch designs were based. John was the 'official' portrait artist 
for Mickey Mouse. He worked everyday at Disney right up until his death on 
February 5th at the age of 95. Sad to see the old guard slowly pass away. At 
least he was able to live an active life to the end.

Derek Smith
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From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com  Fri Feb  6 22:26:40 2004
From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:26:40 EST
Subject: Uncle Scrooge DDA #4 Story?
Message-ID: <1aa.1fa446ec.2d556090@aol.com>

Hi everyone.

While reading DDA #4, I noticed in the credits that the last story "Seafood 
Blues" by John Lustig/William Van Horn, is credited as an Uncle Scrooge story. 
US is never in, nor is he even mentioned in the story at all. I guess you know 
you're a comic star when you get credit for a story you don't even appear in. 
;)

Derek Smith
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From xephyr at cwnet.com  Fri Feb  6 22:09:55 2004
From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 13:09:55 -0800
Subject: QUIZ: Disney "Supers"
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From dve at kabelfoon.nl  Fri Feb  6 22:53:26 2004
From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 22:53:26 +0100
Subject: Daniel's Wolf quiz
Message-ID: <20040206215130.3E587C3D65@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl>

HARRY FLUKS, 06-02-2004:

>> 'Sheepish Cowboys' (OS 1010). [..]
>> There has been another occasion in which Barks working on a production 
>> that contained the Big Bad Wolf. Quiz question: Do you know which one?

> I don't think I saw this question answered here...
> Since you're writing "production", my guess is that this is not about 
> a comic story. A cartoon, maybe? Did Barks work on a TLP/BW cartoon? 
> Inducks doesn't list any.

Yes, he did. In 'The Three Little Wolves', released on 18 April 1936.

In April 29, 1987 notes, Barks has recalled that he did in-betweens of 
"a scene of the Big Bad Wolf singing a parody of 'Schnitzlebank' while 
basting the piggies. Norm Ferguson and Nick George were the animators."

In November 13, 1987 notes, Barks explained that 'Schnitzlebank' "is a 
German drinking song that was popular in the beer balls after the repeal 
of prohibition. Disney's songwriters wrote a parody on the words, and 
that is what the Big Bad Wolf sings as he turns the piggies on a spit."

This information is taken from Thomas Andrae article 'The Animation Years', 
published in the Carl Barks Library (07B-295).

--- Dani?l

"Stop! You don't know what you're doing to yourself"
(Which Barks story?) :-)
Hint #1: These words are spoken by Donald.


From dve at kabelfoon.nl  Fri Feb  6 23:00:09 2004
From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 23:00:09 +0100
Subject: P.S. (Re: Daniel's Wolf quiz)
Message-ID: <20040206215814.EAFB41A5DBC@pelian.kabelfoon.nl>

I just wrote about Barks and 'The Three Little Bad Wolves'. I almost 
forgot that Barks also worked on another production including the 
Big Bad Wolf. It's his Disney painting 'In Uncle Walt's Collectery'.

--- Dani?l

"Stop! You don't know what you're doing to yourself"
(Which Barks story?) :-)
Hint #1: These words are spoken by Donald.


From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com  Sat Feb  7 00:44:18 2004
From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 18:44:18 EST
Subject: "Stop! You don't know what you're doing to yourself"
Message-ID: <65.221e1830.2d5580d2@aol.com>

"Stop! You don't know what you're doing to yourself"
(Which Barks story?) :-)
Hint #1: These words are spoken by Donald.
---------------------------

That reminds me of either the story of Donald taking away the boys' toy ray 
guns that they got from eating cereal, that turned out to be real ray guns. Or 
the story of Donald and his hypnotizing gun. He'd point it at everyone and 
think it was supposed to hypnotize them.

Derek Smith
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From jongraywb at hotmail.com  Sat Feb  7 01:50:52 2004
From: jongraywb at hotmail.com (Jonathan H. Gray)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 18:50:52 -0600
Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 12, Issue 5
Message-ID: <Law11-F60w2UbvR92v10003c9ba@hotmail.com>

>This was the one and only mention of "Calisota" on DUCKTALES.  It was 
>especially surprising given that it appeared in a second-season episode, 
>and by that time, the "Barks adaptation" aspect of the series was in the 
>process of being phased out ("The Land of Trala La" and "The Unbreakable 
>Bin" were the only two full-fledged Barks adaptations in season two, as I 
>recall).
>
>Chris Barat

Coincidentally the only two episodes of Duck Tales that I consistently miss. 
I FINALLY saw "The Unbreakable Bin" late last night and I'm watching avidly 
so I dont miss "The Land Of Tralla La". ^_^

I always did prefer the Fenton episodes to the Bubba Duck episodes (I've 
always had this thing for Gizmoduck ^_^) but I wont get started on THAT 
tangent again. ;)

I've always loved the use of Magica De Spell in DT, she comes across as 
operating on a much grander scale than the simpler Sorcery Shop which in a 
way works just as well. Question though - was Glomgold ever used in the 
Second Season outside of the Gizmoduck origin episodes? (and i cant really 
remember if he was used there to be honest)

Jonathan H. Gray
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From bangfish at comcast.net  Sat Feb  7 02:57:21 2004
From: bangfish at comcast.net (Gary Leach)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 20:57:21 -0500
Subject: Scrooge in all things!
In-Reply-To: <200402062128.i16LSUM8013790@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <F760ED08-5910-11D8-9B70-000393C28E48@comcast.net>

> While reading DDA #4, I noticed in the credits that the last story 
> "Seafood
> Blues" by John Lustig/William Van Horn, is credited as an Uncle 
> Scrooge story.
> US is never in, nor is he even mentioned in the story at all. I guess 
> you know
> you're a comic star when you get credit for a story you don't even 
> appear in.
> ;)
>
> Derek Smith

Hey, Scrooge would have been in that one if given half a chance. Not 
his fault Donald never invites him along on anything.

Gary


From bi442 at lafn.org  Sat Feb  7 09:54:21 2004
From: bi442 at lafn.org (Rob Klein)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 08:54:21 GMT
Subject: Ice Cream and Webfoot County
Message-ID: <200402070854.i178sKoL041615@zoot.lafn.org>

Voor Harry F. & Michiel P.:

In the "olden days", predating Carl Barks' youth, vanilla was THE flavour of 
ice cream. There was not the myriad of flavours as is available nowadays; 
leading to long, worrisome decisions when one is at the ice cream shoppe or 
parlour, as to which of the scads of flavours to choose.  When Barks was young 
chocolate and a few others had been added. But, the old timers, remembering 
having only the basic vanilla in "the good old days"; stuck to THAT as being 
representative of the times that were simple, and uncomplicated.  
Therefore, "I'll take vanilla" became a phrase which was popular to represent 
the "simple" choice,... avoiding complication.   

For Rich B.:
I feel that as Barks "invented" Duckburg, and Calisota, we should go by his 
choice of Duck County as the county of Duckburg's location.  I researched ALL 
ofCarl Barks' Disney Duck comic book panels, cover art, unpublished material, 
before drawing maps of Duckburg, its outer environs, Duck County and Calisota. 
In that research, I found a few references to Duck County, as the location of 
Duckburg. In the Gyro Gearloose story in which Gyro's Helper chases the crows 
away, he is shown leaving his own county of residence (Duck County), and 
entering, the adjacent, Goose Egg County.  I faintly remember a reference to a 
Webfoot County, but don't remember if Barks intended THAT county to be the 
county in which the City of Duckburg is to be located. Can you please tell cite 
the reference (story and page containing Barks' reference).  And please 
indicate how it is certain that Duckburg is inside that county. If so, I 
believe Barks has then produced another contradiction.  I can't remember the 
other one or two panels in which Barks refers to Duck County, but I am almost 
sure that one of them indicates clearly that Duckburg DOES, INDEED lie within 
the boundaries of Duck County, or I would not have placed it so on my maps.  If 
there are only two specific references, one each for Duck and Webfoot Counties, 
then I believe we should allow "evidence" from outside (non-Barks) sources, 
such as other Disney comic book artists, and the TV series "DuckTales". If 
there are more Barks references for one, rather than the other, I think we 
should go by the designation with the most occurrances.

Rob Klein 


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From mickey at iol.it  Sat Feb  7 10:36:50 2004
From: mickey at iol.it (Mickey)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 10:36:50 +0100
Subject: ...Webfoot County
Message-ID: <003801c3ed5d$ea24d650$04133152@uno>

About the locations, I was wondering why Don Rosa didn't use the conception
of the Calisota as a city-state, inherited by Barks. At least, it's what I
discovered surfing the web... I think that uncle Carl had a good idea about
this!
 
 Mickey
 


From xephyr at cwnet.com  Sat Feb  7 04:12:09 2004
From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 03:12:09 +0000
Subject: ROB: Webfoot County sources
Message-ID: <40245789.7000008@cwnet.com>

Rob, you ask for source for "Webfoot County"?  It comes from our very 
own DCML files:

http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/dcml/chars/egmont-ddu.html

DUCKBURG AREA (State of Calisota, Webfoot County)

http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/dcml/chars/egmont-mmu.html

MOUSETON AREA (State of Calisota, Webfoot County)

I know many value Carl Barks (and Don Rosa) as the "end-all" for all things
DUCK, but the Duck Universe, and even moreso, ALL THINGS DISNEY, are a
collabrative effort that has been years, decades in the making.  I think
our good friend David Gerstein has done an outstanding job compiling and
summarizing the data as made available through comics, and provides a 
wonderous resource for anyone seeking a look into what has come before, 
whether that be Carl Barks, Floyd Gottfredson or many others who have
taken pen and pencil to the task of chronicling the adventures of our
beloved characters.

Thanks,
Rich Bellacera
xephyr at cwnet.com





From steamboat.willie at chello.se  Sat Feb  7 12:21:13 2004
From: steamboat.willie at chello.se (-= Steamboat Willie =-)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 12:21:13 +0100
Subject: Finland: Collectors Cards
In-Reply-To: <003801c3ed5d$ea24d650$04133152@uno>
Message-ID: <NCBBLIECMHEIGPAJIDKIMEACPOAA.steamboat.willie@chello.se>


Hello!

I am doing a bit of research in the field of Swedish Disney Collector Cards.
There were quite a production of these in both the thirties and in 1960 -
1980.
There are also chewing gum cards, etc.

Now I have been encountering chewing gum cards produced in Finland and I
am wondering if there are anyone out there who knows anything about the
history of Disney-motif collector cards (and such) in Finland.



  // Steamboat Willie


From malines24 at hotmail.com  Sat Feb  7 12:40:53 2004
From: malines24 at hotmail.com (Simo Malinen)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 13:40:53 +0200
Subject: Disney toys
Message-ID: <Sea1-F146hmbqo3it8Q0005df8b@hotmail.com>




Generally the plastic toys attached with Swedish weekly
Kalle Anka & Co are total junk in the purest form, but
the latest gadget sold with KA 6/2004 has somehow more
personality, I think (he hee(?)):

http://www.geocities.com/gearlost/misc/ka200406medhj.html



(the pic isn't very good, the item was just placed under
the scanner plate.)





- Simo

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From ggk at wp.pl  Sat Feb  7 12:53:29 2004
From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 12:53:29 +0100
Subject: Disney "Supers"
References: <E1ApDEZ-0006fY-00@sac-cwmail03.cwnet.com>
Message-ID: <001201c3ed71$0145e0f0$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8>

> Here's a collage of Disney comics "Super" Heroes & Villains I've
collected.
> http://users.cwnet.com/xephyr/ART/DisneySupers.gif
>
> Can you name them "Hero/Villain" and their costumed "alter-ego"?

Ther's :

Donald - Papiernik/Super Duck/ Super Donald

Fethry - Red Bat

Jose - Gren Bat

Daisy - Super Daisy (I don't remember here English name)

Mickey - Plastic Mickey

Goofy - Super Goof

Gilbert - Super Gilbert (propebly, I don't remember English name)

Gloria - Pink Buterlly (Ass far I remember theat is her English name)

Rockerduck - .... I don't k'now his Alter-ego name in English. I had the
story in wich he became Super Vilant from dis picture and had faith with
SuperDuck/SuperDonald but I don't remember wich Issue it was.

I's the Ruster is SuperGalo?

Ellsworth - Super Ellsworth


As for the rest I don't know it. But dis picture is prety cool and I would
love to see the Story with Gladstone and Scrooge alter ego's  (Luck-man and
Money-man ?) :-)

Yours
Maciek



From tpeaco at exploremaine.com  Sat Feb  7 14:17:50 2004
From: tpeaco at exploremaine.com (Tom Peaco)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 08:17:50 -0500
Subject: Is this a comic book or a subscription folder ?
References: <200402041101.i14B1UM9002397@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <002401c3ed7e$0c375180$4ef8dcd8@Dell4550>

Ola Martinsson wrote:
> In the Gerber photo journal there is a picture of a WDC X-mas giveaway
> ca 1945. It has the same cover as WDC #59.
>
> I have a subscription folder from 1947 that looks like this one. It is
> simply a peice of paper folded once that gives it the same size as a
> comic showing the frontcover mentioned above. Then it is folded two
> times on the other level so it becomes one third as high as a comic.
>
> Is it this that is portrayed in Gerber ? Or is the picture in Gerber
> actually of a WDC X-mas giveaway that they didn't know exact publishing
> year of ?
>
> Does it say ca 1945 because Gerber didn't know exactly what year or was
> this WDC X-mas giveaway/subscription folder published for more than one
> year ?
>
> In that case, did it have the same cover all years ?

Per the "Overstreet Comic Book Price Guide" (I'm quoting from the 24th
edition (1994) but all previous editions I have back to the 8th edition say
the same thing)):

"Mid 1940's (45-48), 1952 (4pgs in color) (slick paper)
"Dell Publishing co. (Special Xmas offer)
"1940's version - subscription form for WDC&S - (Reprints two different
WDC&S covers with subscription forms printed on inside covers)"

As of the 25th edition (1995) of the "Overstreet Comic Book Price Guide" the
information is as follows:

"1942-1962 known (4 pgs, in color, slick paper, 7-1/3"x10-1/4")
"(folded horizontally once or twice as mailers)
"K.K. Publications (Xmas subscription form)
"NOTE: It is assumed a different mailer was printed each Xmas for at least
twenty years."

Oversteet also provides details for some of the mailers but nothing
specifically for 1945 nor 1947.  From the descriptions of the other mailers
I can tell that the mailers for 1942, 1949, 1950 & 1953 had different covers
from that shown in Gerber.

My guess is that what you've got is the actual mailer pictured in Gerber and
that they probably used the same art work, just changing the year, for a few
years in the mid-1940s (this may be why Gerber states "circa 1945").  If
what you have is only one page, more than likely the back page was cut off
at some point in time.

Tom



From olaf at andebyonline.com  Sat Feb  7 14:38:04 2004
From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 14:38:04 +0100
Subject: Disney toys
In-Reply-To: <Sea1-F146hmbqo3it8Q0005df8b@hotmail.com>
References: <Sea1-F146hmbqo3it8Q0005df8b@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <opr2z5hqim09gznx@mail.andebyonline.com>

P? Sat, 07 Feb 2004 13:40:53 +0200, skrev Simo Malinen 
<malines24 at hotmail.com>:

> (the pic isn't very good, the item was just placed under
> the scanner plate.)

This may be a better one...

http://www.andebyonline.com/olaf/bilete/hjelpar-020204.jpg



Olaf

From donrosa at iglou.com  Sat Feb  7 15:23:28 2004
From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 09:23:28 -0500
Subject: DCML Digest Issue 11
In-Reply-To: <200402071101.i17B1LM9006309@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <NHBBKFHAOLHDBCINGIHFEEHPEHAA.donrosa@iglou.com>

From: Willem Hajenius (willem.hajenius at ping.be)
Subject: 'Easter eggs' in certain stories
>>>>(translation: "Man, are we a great TEAM! We'll search for kreli-oil on
Altair 4!
Search for Nebulite in the crystal mountains on Kenodon! You've NEVER seen
anything like that!"
For some reason, 'Kenodon' rings a bell! :-) Does Don Rosa's original
English text
also use that word, or was it changed by the Dutch translator/publisher?

Yes, that's almost exactly what my original script read... I think I wrote
"drill" and "dig" rather than "search" and "search". And I don't know if the
use of the term "kreli-oil" is a change or some spelling for the Dutch
idiom. My original exact English was "Krelian oil". The Krel were the
long-dead former inhabitants of the planet Altair 4 visited by the United
Planets Cruiser C57D in the greatest SF movie of all time. See, you can't
begin to imagine how many "Easter eggs" there are in every corner of my
stories -- there was one lying unsuspected in the half of that sentence you
weren't even referring to. This is how I entertain myself. I'm easily
amused.


From xephyr at cwnet.com  Sat Feb  7 08:53:09 2004
From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 07:53:09 +0000
Subject: Disney Toys
Message-ID: <40249965.6000500@cwnet.com>

Here's a website that shows all but the most recent offerings from 
Topolino.  
I think the vehicles are cool.
http://xoomer.virgilio.it/fradibel/fdb6%20a.htm

Nothing like these or the Little Helper figure are ever offered with 
comics here in the USA.
Not even with Marvel, DC or other company comics.  We're just fortunate 
to get Disney
comics period, here. :-)

Thanks,
Rich Bellacera


From anders_sivebaek at nns.dk  Sat Feb  7 17:47:38 2004
From: anders_sivebaek at nns.dk (Anders Christian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Siveb=E6k?=)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 17:47:38 +0100
Subject: Raptus September 2004
In-Reply-To: <200402062129.i16LSUMA013790@numerus.ling.uu.se>
References: <200402062129.i16LSUMA013790@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <fc.0064b568006eb9e83b9aca007d261417.6eb9f4@nns.dk>

Hi all
>
Olaf
>
>-- And finally: After the success in 2002, DON ROSA COMES BACK TO THE 
>RAPTUS FESTIVAL THIS SEPTEMBER! (I'm so thrilled because I know that this 
>year I will actually be there myself!)

Oh boy oh boy - that is great news. 
Is it possible - would any of you others here like if we could
make some kind of summit at this Raptus-festival?
I imagine people from dcml, The norwegian donaldists, NAFS(K) DDF(R), 
andebyonline.com and many others will come here - 
could it perhasps be arranged, with help from the raptus-people, that we
meet?

I really hope to come to this festival - and this time I plan to stay the
whole time there. 

Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist



From jadorno at jjay.cuny.edu  Sat Feb  7 21:40:37 2004
From: jadorno at jjay.cuny.edu (jadorno@jjay.cuny.edu)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 15:40:37 -0500
Subject: Glomgold in Ducktales second season
Message-ID: <b5872b9132.b9132b5872@jjay.cuny.edu>

Jonathan Gray writes:

"Was Glomgold ever used in any of the second season episodes outside of the Gizmoduck origin episodes?"

Outside of the BUBBA DUCK origin episodes, Glomgold appeared in:

SECOND SEASON
"My Mother, the Psychic."
"Ducky Mountain High."

THIRD SEASON
"Attack Of The Metal Mites."
"The Golden Goose, pt. 1 and 2."

I remember that Ma Beagle and the Beagle Boys became the main villains on the show after the first season. She must have been an easier villain to write stories with.

Joseph Adorno





From jadorno at jjay.cuny.edu  Sat Feb  7 21:47:54 2004
From: jadorno at jjay.cuny.edu (jadorno@jjay.cuny.edu)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 15:47:54 -0500
Subject: Disney "Supers"
Message-ID: <b868dba103.ba103b868d@jjay.cuny.edu>

That's a neat group "photo" you got there! 
Let's see:

1. Super Goof (GoofY)
2. Super Gilly (Goofy's nephew, Gilbert)
3. Paperinik (Donald Duck)
4. Purple Butterfly 
5. Red Bat (Fethry Duck)
6. Plastic Mickey (Mickey Mouse)

I won't know the rest until Gemstone reprints the stories, but I recognized Gladstone, Jose Carioca, Cheif O'Hara, Daisy, Rockerduck, and Scrooge - but where's Darkwing Duck and the Masked Mallard?

Joseph Adorno



From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr  Sat Feb  7 23:29:19 2004
From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 23:29:19 +0100
Subject: DCML Digest Issue 11
References: <NHBBKFHAOLHDBCINGIHFEEHPEHAA.donrosa@iglou.com>
Message-ID: <001001c3edc9$d42c7a80$332bfbc1@computer>

Don Rosa:

>>>My original exact English was "Krelian oil". The Krel were the
>>> long-dead former inhabitants of the planet Altair 4 visited by the
United
>>> Planets Cruiser C57D in the greatest SF movie of all time.

And what movie is that, pray tell? I obviously haven't seen it :(


Olivier



From danshane at bellsouth.net  Sun Feb  8 00:19:55 2004
From: danshane at bellsouth.net (Dan Shane)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 18:19:55 -0500
Subject: The greatest?
In-Reply-To: <200402072229.i17MT2M8002832@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <20040207231936.BLZE21510.imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net@DSHANELT>

OLIVIER WRITES IN RESPONSE TO DON:

> >>>My original exact English was "Krelian oil". The Krel were the
> >>> long-dead former inhabitants of the planet Altair 4 visited by the
> United
> >>> Planets Cruiser C57D in the greatest SF movie of all time.
> 
> And what movie is that, pray tell? I obviously haven't seen it :(

AND I REPLY:

Don is referring to FORBIDDEN PLANET, which I happen NOT to think is the
greatest science fiction film ever made.  It has too many "cowboys and
Indians in space" clich?s to put it right at the very top. (And I don't want
to hear anyone say they weren't clich?s yet in 1956.  Anyone ever see the
FLASH GORDON and BUCK ROGERS serials of the 1930s?)  But there is more than
enough thought-provoking material about the Krell to make it ONE of the
best.

Considering the premise of the story was based on Shakespeare's THE TEMPEST
it would have had to work hard NOT to be thought-provoking.

Dan



From CarmenG at aol.com  Sun Feb  8 02:27:32 2004
From: CarmenG at aol.com (CarmenG@aol.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 20:27:32 EST
Subject: Science Fiction movie
Message-ID: <23.3a81e5c0.2d56ea84@aol.com>


In a message dated 2/7/04 5:29:33 PM, dcml-request at stp.ling.uu.se writes:

<< >>>My original exact English was "Krelian oil". The Krel were the
>>> long-dead former inhabitants of the planet Altair 4 visited by the
United
>>> Planets Cruiser C57D in the greatest SF movie of all time.

And what movie is that, pray tell? I obviously haven't seen it :( >>

Forbidden Planet is the movie, and I show it to my English classes after we 
read/act out Shakespeare's The Tempest. The movie is not as well-known as it 
should be, or people would recognize all of the ideas that Star Trek took from 
it. (Well, Forbidden Planet took ideas from Shakespeare, after all.) The 
special effects, state-of-the-art for the time, were done by none other than the 
Disney company--animators, I'd guess, although I don't have my facts in front of 
me right now.
Alas, I read last year that the movie was being remade. However, I also heard 
that Robbie the Robot (the Ariel character) would not be redesigned. Can we 
at least get Leslie Nielson to play Morbius?


From ggk at wp.pl  Sun Feb  8 08:16:30 2004
From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 08:16:30 +0100
Subject: Disney "Supers"
References: <b868dba103.ba103b868d@jjay.cuny.edu>
Message-ID: <001801c3ee13$79f8be80$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8>

>> I won't know the rest until Gemstone reprints the stories, but I
recognized Gladstone, Jose Carioca, Cheif O'Hara, Daisy, Rockerduck, and
Scrooge - but where's Darkwing Duck and the Masked Mallard?

The Mased Mallard is Scrooge sow I gees It would be stupid with two
Scrooge's on one Picture.




From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr  Sun Feb  8 10:53:13 2004
From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 10:53:13 +0100
Subject: The greatest?
References: <20040207231936.BLZE21510.imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net@DSHANELT>
Message-ID: <002a01c3ee29$5e304f40$6a21fdc1@computer>

Dan:

>>>> Don is referring to FORBIDDEN PLANET, which I happen NOT to think is
the
>>>> greatest science fiction film ever made.  It has too many "cowboys and
>>>> Indians in space" clich?s to put it right at the very top.
>>>>But there is more than enough thought-provoking material about the Krell
>>>>to make it ONE of the best.
>>>>Considering the premise of the story was based on Shakespeare's THE
TEMPEST
>>>>it would have had to work hard NOT to be thought-provoking.

Carmen:
>>>>Forbidden Planet is the movie, and I show it to my English classes after
we
>>>>read/act out Shakespeare's The Tempest.


Thanks for the answer & comments!
It's one of  theose "classics" I have yet to see-- such as "The Day the
Earth Stood Still".


Olivier




From ordi at tekpro.it  Sun Feb  8 10:46:23 2004
From: ordi at tekpro.it (Ordi_sas)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 11:46:23 +0200
Subject: Donald Duck giveaway 1944 S&L store, Spear and Wheather-bird shoes
Message-ID: <BC4BD20F.BC71%ordi@tekpro.it>

Overstreet #33 page 228 says: Donald Duck giveaway 1944 K. K. Publications
1944 christmas giveaway 16 pages (2 versions).
I own: Donald Duck giveaway 1944 S&L store
       Donald Duck giveaway 1944 Spear
       Donald Duck giveaway 1944 Wheather-bird shoes
Are they three versions?
or 
It means other?
                            Paolo Bontempi


From JTorci3511 at aol.com  Sun Feb  8 17:07:24 2004
From: JTorci3511 at aol.com (JTorci3511@aol.com)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 11:07:24 -0500
Subject: The Greatest
Message-ID: <293F5074.22F4E34E.0B37659D@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/8/2004 6:02:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, dcml-request at stp.ling.uu.se writes:

I seriously doubt any group of three or more could agree on what "Greatest SF Movie of All Time" is, but FORBIDDEN PLANET is certainly the GRANDADDY of SF films in terms of the INFLUENCE it had on so much of what followed.  

Why, it was practically the BLUEPRINT for STAR TREK -- and it influenced LOST IN SPACE with its use of Robby the Robot -- who actually appeared TWICE on LOST IN SPACE, as a co-star to the "unnamed" LOST IN SPACE Robot.  

And LOST IN SPACE influenced STAR WARS insofar as the characterizations of C3PO and R2D2 were FAR TOO MUCH like Doctor Smith and the Robot to be a coincidence.  

So, FORBIDDEN PLANET has influenced quite a bit -- including, so it seems, the Disney comics work of Don Rosa.  

Joe Torcivia.   


From stratocruiser at cox.net  Sun Feb  8 19:17:50 2004
From: stratocruiser at cox.net (Carey Furlong)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 10:17:50 -0800
Subject: The Greatest SF Movie?
In-Reply-To: <200402081102.i18B26M8005913@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <NIEHJEKCJLGHMFDKOMACGEPICDAA.stratocruiser@cox.net>

> From: CarmenG at aol.com

> (Well, Forbidden Planet took ideas from Shakespeare, after all.) The
> special effects, state-of-the-art for the time, were done by none
> other than the
> Disney company--animators, I'd guess, although I don't have my
> facts in front of
> me right now.
> Alas, I read last year that the movie was being remade. However,
> I also heard
> that Robbie the Robot (the Ariel character) would not be
> redesigned. Can we
> at least get Leslie Nielson to play Morbius?

They're remaking Forbidden Planet?  Good gravy! I hope they don't muck it
up.  That picture means too much to me. Seeing Robie the Robot back in
action would be a real treat!

Forbidden Planet's monster was created by Joshua Meador, the head of the
Disney animation effects studio. Although tame by today's standards, it was
considered excessively frightening at the time, and was removed by some
state censor boards.

On a related note, Peter Jackson, producer of the Lord of the Rings
pictures, is currently remaking King Kong, which I at first thought was a
wonderful idea...  until I read the screenplay he wrote back in 1995.  I did
not like it. It was too smart-alecky, and made Carl Denham out to be an
insensitive jerk.  At least Kong was still in character (mean).  Apparently
that script has been junked, and Jackson, Fran Walsh and writer Philippa
Boyens are rewriting the screenplay. A completed draft is expected this
month.

Carey Furlong
Dana Point,  California



From dbfenske at telus.net  Sun Feb  8 21:31:48 2004
From: dbfenske at telus.net (The Fenske's)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 12:31:48 -0800
Subject: The greatest? + some thoughts on Gemstone
In-Reply-To: <002a01c3ee29$5e304f40$6a21fdc1@computer>
References: <20040207231936.BLZE21510.imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net@DSHANELT>
Message-ID: <20040208203245.MHPF25314.priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net@cpu1>

At 10:53 AM 2/8/04 +0100, Olivier wrote:
>Thanks for the answer & comments!
>It's one of  theose "classics" I have yet to see-- such as "The Day the
>Earth Stood Still".

>Olivier
>
I'm sure this thread is getting dangerously off-topic, but considering the
influence
film as on Don Rosa, I'm sure we can justify it somehow...

The Day the Earth Stood Still is an excellent film that explores some
serious themes,
makes use of interesting imagery, and contains nothing of space western
influence.
The performances are strong, and the film stands up to repeated viewing
today, even 
though its effects are pretty dated (in other words, the dated nature of
the effects doesn't
make the film feel that way).  This one is well worth seeing.

And with that, I must do look up Forbidden Planet.

And while I'm here, which I rarely am, I should say that I've been meaning
to say 
something about Gemstone products, and perhaps one of these days I will.  I
am of
course thrilled to have Disney comics back, especially Rosa stories, but I
am a bit
torn at the cost of these items.  So far, I've been buying Uncle Scrooge
and Comics and
Stories, because that's where Rosa and Van Horn appear, but at $11 CDN a
pop, I'm 
feeling like many of them (the ones *without* a Rosa story, for instance)
may not be
worth it.  The smaller comics (Donald and Friends etc) I have not yet
purchased, as they
sell in Canada for $5 a pop, which is even more than Marvel's Ultimate
series, which go for
$3.25 per issue.  Now, the Ultimate Marvel comics have wonderful glossy
paper, so what's 
with the price diff?  $5 is just too much for regular Disney comics... The
same goes for
DDA.  It's $14 CDN (how can you tell I live in Canada?).  Now, here I'm
about to say something
that may be considered heretical, but here goes... When it comes to Disney
comics, pretty
much the only reason I read them is for Don Rosa stories, followed by Barks
and William
Van Horn.  Much of the work by other artists are sometimes interesting, but
often they strike me
as being rather juvenile (in both art and story).  Sorry, but there it is.
Even when they aren't, there
are not many other artists whom I consider worth $12 - 14 a month.  For
instance, in the first
Uncle Scrooge, which contained the wonderful Dutchman's Secret, there was a
Gyro Gearloose
story called Perilous Pets, that had me scratching my head.  Why would they
put that in
an inaugural issue?  It wasn't funny, or amusing, and the art was rather
basic.  That's the kind
of Disney comic that strikes me as kiddie-material, or as they say in the
music industry, 
"filler".  I have nothing against Disney comics
being designed or appropriate for young readers, but why can't more artists
produce material
that is of the appeal and quality of Rosa, Barks, Van Horn, and a few
others.  Perhaps this is
just me speaking from the perspective of someone in their mid-40's who has
very selective
tastes who doesn't have enough spare $$ for everything he likes!  But for
me, the question of
how much I will purchase now and in the future has a lot to do with the
cost of the material
versus the quality of the product.  So far I have been pleased enough with
the two main titles
to have purchased all of them, but I haven't picked up any of the other
titles.  

One final point: I realize that comics cost money to produce, and that
Gemstone are putting out
a first rate product, that they don't sell anywhere near the quantity that
Marvel does, and that quite
possibly the costs are necessary for them to see any profit.  And that many
Disney readers
seem to like a lot of what I call "the other material."  Still, I'd be
happier if every US and C&S had
a new Rosa story in it...

Dave Fenske

>

>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml
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From xephyr at cwnet.com  Sun Feb  8 22:16:39 2004
From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 13:16:39 -0800
Subject: Disney "Supers"
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From kintoun at shaw.ca  Sun Feb  8 23:17:45 2004
From: kintoun at shaw.ca (Kintoun)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 14:17:45 -0800
Subject: The greatest? + some thoughts on Gemstone
References: <20040207231936.BLZE21510.imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net@DSHANELT>
 <20040208203245.MHPF25314.priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net@cpu1>
Message-ID: <001f01c3ee91$615cdbd0$98184418@nola6z01evk06o>

> So far, I've been buying Uncle Scrooge
> and Comics and
> Stories, because that's where Rosa and Van Horn appear, but at $11 CDN a
> pop, I'm
> feeling like many of them (the ones *without* a Rosa story, for instance)
> may not be
> worth it.  The smaller comics (Donald and Friends etc) I have not yet
> purchased, as they
> sell in Canada for $5 a pop, which is even more than Marvel's Ultimate
> series, which go for
> $3.25 per issue.

Now, the Ultimate Marvel comics have wonderful glossy
> paper, so what's
> with the price diff?  $5 is just too much for regular Disney comics... The
> same goes for
> DDA.  It's $14 CDN (how can you tell I live in Canada?).

Luckily, it's not quite that expensive. Donald Duck Adventures trade
paperbacks cost $11.95 CAN. Considering that they contain 128 pages, you pay
9 cents per 5x7 page.Donald Duck and Friends + Mickey Mouse And Friends are
priced at $4.95 CAN and they feature 32 pages so that results in 15 cents
per page. Uncle Scrooge and Walt Disney's Comics & Stories have 64 pages for
$10.95 each which means they cost 17 cents per page. It's too bad that
Gemstone's Canadian prices are ridiculously inflated compared to the true
value of the Canadian dollar. At the moment, one US dollar is listed as
being 1.3297 CAN. Therefore, the Gemstone Canadian prices should be:

Donald Duck Adventures $10.57 CAN
Uncle Scrooge $9.24 CAN
Walt Disney's Comics & Stories $9.24 CAN
Donald Duck And Friends $3.92 CAN
Mickey Mouse And Friends $3.92 CAN

Gemstone should seriously considering dropping the Canadian price altogether
and letting the individual comic book retailers assign a price. Dark Horse
Comics did this just a few weeks ago. Star Wars: Empire and Star Wars:
Rewpublic were the most expensive regular sized comic books on the market at
$2.99 US/$4.99 CAN. In other words, they should cost $3.98 CAN and my local
comic book store now only charges $4.00 per issue.

Unfortunately, Donald Duck And Friends + Mickey Mouse And Friends now have
the dubious distinction of being the most expensive regular sized comic
books in Previews. Gemstone's profits could really soar if they cut about 75
cents off their cover prices. I only started collecting these titles last
week. It's an undeniable fact that they're anything but cheap for Canadians.

Kintoun
"Observe everything, remember even more."
-Hound



From lschulte at sfstoledo.org  Mon Feb  9 16:57:53 2004
From: lschulte at sfstoledo.org (L. Schulte)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 10:57:53 -0500
Subject: Forbidden Planet/King Kong Again!
In-Reply-To: <200402091100.i19B0VM8024460@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.1.20040209103452.00aad398@10.0.0.8>

Members might be interested in knowing that "Forbidden Planet" featured the 
first completely electronic music score.
Also, if it is being remade, I do believe Leslie Nielsen in his dotage has 
played the fool in too many movies to return to drama, even a "space opera" 
like "Forbidden Planet".
I have also heard that "Forbidden Planet" was made into a musical., 
q.v.  http://test.cawcutt.com/show.php

Concerning King Kong, the original from 1933 with the great musical score 
by Max Steiner remains much better than the '70's remake, which was written 
by Lorenzo Semple, famous or infamous for the 1960's "Batman" TV show.  I 
have read that in the 1970's someone planned to re-create the original 1933 
script with only a few updates in language, with the original Max Steiner 
score, and of course up-to-date special effects.  But the disastrous 
Jessica Lange version, financed by Dino de Laurentis, received a green 
light instead.  Let us hope that any third version will return to the 
original: and if you do not know the original, watch it especially for the 
incredible rock-'em sock-'em performance of Robert Armstrong as the 
adventurer/showman who brings King Kong to New York.  And Fay Wray, the 
heroine, is still alive today, in her mid or late 90's! 
q.v.  http://www.shillpages.com/faywray/fwmain.shtml

I would like to read what Mr. Rosa thinks of "King Kong", now that he has 
revealed that "Forbidden Planet" is his choice for greatest SF movie of all 
time, which I tend to agree with.


From ordi at tekpro.it  Mon Feb  9 18:39:03 2004
From: ordi at tekpro.it (Ordi_sas)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 19:39:03 +0200
Subject: Donald Duck giveaway 1944 S&L store, Spear and Wheather-bird shoes
Message-ID: <BC4D9257.BC84%ordi@tekpro.it>

Overstreet #33 page 228 says: Donald Duck giveaway 1944 K. K. Publications
1944 christmas giveaway 16 pages (2 versions).
I own: Donald Duck giveaway 1944 S&L store
       Donald Duck giveaway 1944 Spear
       Donald Duck giveaway 1944 Wheather-bird shoes
Are they three versions?
or 
It means other?
                            Paolo Bontempi


From TheGuy at DrawsOn.Com  Mon Feb  9 20:14:15 2004
From: TheGuy at DrawsOn.Com (Dave Rawson)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 11:14:15 -0800
Subject: Another DCML Forbidden Planet Connection
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.1.20040209103452.00aad398@10.0.0.8>
References: <5.2.0.9.1.20040209103452.00aad398@10.0.0.8>
Message-ID: <4027DC07.2050207@DrawsOn.Com>

L. Schulte wrote:

> Members might be interested in knowing that "Forbidden Planet" featured 
> the first completely electronic music score.

When I worked as Product Manager for VJ ("Meet The Beatles") 
International records, there was a fellow there in ill health whose job 
it was to clean up old albums for new pressings. I knew him as Louie and 
he seemed always as if carrying in some great weight, an angst, a 
beaten-down sadness of some kind. I assumed it had something to do with 
his medical condition. I believe he had a bad heart and was virtually 
unemployable, and so, therefore, thankful for the work he did for VJ.

We got along well because we had a few things that emerged in common.

The first was our mutually recognized skill with a razor blade. I could 
cut tape and record white noise over the splice without a dropout. 
Likely there's not a person reading this that knows what that means, let 
alone entails, but Louie knew because his job was to find the best 
record we (VJ) had of a given album, tape it at 15ips, cut out the 
ticks, replace each length of excised tape with one that was "quiet" but 
ambiently matched to the recording, and then send the patched tape to 
the pressing plant to create a new master from which the mothers and 
stampers would be cast to press audiophile discs to be sold in Japan. He 
had to do this because the original masters had often been lost or stolen.

This, to my mind, was grueling, laborious, meticulous work and I doubt 
that he was paid what he was worth, but he had little else he could do 
for income, so...

At any rate, I was familiar with John Cage's work with tape bits and the 
problems of preparing them. In Cage's situation, he and his assistants 
recorded piano music, cut the tape into precise lengths and then tossed 
them like the I Ching to rearrange their relative ordering. Their 
problem was that none of them measured a given length in _exactly_ the 
same way, even using the exact same ruler. Oddly, though Cage was 
seeking to impose an arbitrariness into his composition, the problem of 
subjective agreement was one he hadn't planned on and which he 
considered a flaw until he ultimately relinquished that judgment.

I asked Louie about this problem when replacing excised bits of tape and 
he admitted that it often required auditioning the fix and satisfying 
his ear, ultimately.

At any rate, it wasn't until working with Louie for some time that the 
young woman who was his partner and caretaker revealed that he had 
worked on "The Forbidden Planet" and that the weight he seemed to carry 
was a massive guilt that he was thereby directly responsible for an 
aggressive military presence in the modern world!

When I asked him about this, he indeed felt his work on "The Forbidden 
Planet" introduced and popularized a way of viewing things that he 
regretted abetting. I tried to talk him out of such a notion, but he 
couldn't be moved.

I was one of the few people who could appreciate the incredible skill 
Louie brought to his esoteric art of tape replacement, so we got along 
very well. I admired his ethical commitment to the species, even if I 
disagreed with his angst. I wish to this day that most people had a 
tenth of his moral sensitivity.

Also, because I was trained as an Electronic Engineer, I understood 
Louie's descriptions of the rudimentary filters and gates that he had 
employed to create the sinusoidal and sawtooth tones that he had 
employed in his lauded creation, the soundtrack for "The Forbidden Planet".

I last saw Louis Barron at Denny's Restaurant on Sunset at the Hollywood 
Freeway. He died in 1989 in, I assume, economic and medical conditions 
sadly unimproved from when I knew him.




From xephyr at cwnet.com  Mon Feb  9 21:07:06 2004
From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 12:07:06 -0800
Subject: some [more] thoughts on Gemstone
Message-ID: <E1AqHgQ-0008WL-00@sac-cwmail02.cwnet.com>

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From sonia.dyer at hp.com  Tue Feb 10 05:02:58 2004
From: sonia.dyer at hp.com (Dyer, Sonia)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 20:02:58 -0800
Subject: Quiz
Message-ID: <1C4766A743ADF74FAEDF2AAD0679BAA2D2227E@cacexc03.americas.cpqcorp.net>

>Sonia's Quiz:
> Scrooge's money bin contains a particular diamond, that is the most 
> famous one in the United States.
> What is the name of the diamond?  What story?

>Harry's reply:
> I think it's the candy-striped ruby from The Status Seeker.
>(In the Dutch translation it's not the "most famous in the US", but
> "the most expensive in the world".)

>Olaf's reply:
>Hm... But that's not a diamond, is it?

Olaf's right.  The Candy-Striped is the most famous ruby in the world. 
But we're looking for the name of the famous (American) diamond in the
diamond vault in Scrooge's money bin.  
HINT:  This diamond isn't named in the story, but is shown in the vault.

Its shape would be instantly recognizable to most residents of the US
or Japan.






From sonia.dyer at hp.com  Tue Feb 10 05:11:05 2004
From: sonia.dyer at hp.com (Dyer, Sonia)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 20:11:05 -0800
Subject: Disney toys
Message-ID: <1C4766A743ADF74FAEDF2AAD0679BAA2D22284@cacexc03.americas.cpqcorp.net>


Simo and Olaf, thanks for showing us the cute little Helper toy.

I'd love to have one, if anyone has a spare they would like to trade.
Please contact me separately.

    Thanks,
      Sonia


From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr  Tue Feb 10 10:02:31 2004
From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 10:02:31 +0100
Subject: Diamond Quiz
References: <1C4766A743ADF74FAEDF2AAD0679BAA2D2227E@cacexc03.americas.cpqcorp.net>
Message-ID: <001901c3efb4$9f0718a0$e4d6fdc1@computer>

Hello!

Sonia:

>>>> Olaf's right.  The Candy-Striped is the most famous ruby in the world.
>>>> But we're looking for the name of the famous (American) diamond in the
>>>> diamond vault in Scrooge's money bin.
>>>> HINT:  This diamond isn't named in the story, but is shown in the
vault.
>>>> Its shape would be instantly recognizable to most residents of the US
>>>> or Japan.

Sicne you asked the question, I've been thinking of  the Hope Diamond (which
you can see at the Smithsonian in DC), but what troubled me is that I
thought I would have remembered such a reference; now you say it is not
named in the story, I obviously cound't remember an explicit reference.
Now, I have no idea in which story it appears. Apparently it's a background
detail.



Olivier



From Ola.Martinsson at ericsson.com  Tue Feb 10 10:55:35 2004
From: Ola.Martinsson at ericsson.com (Ola Martinsson)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 10:55:35 +0100
Subject: Is this a comic book or a subscription folder ?
In-Reply-To: <200402072229.i17MT2MA002832@numerus.ling.uu.se>
References: <200402072229.i17MT2MA002832@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <4028AA97.6010809@ericsson.com>

Hi Tom and thanks for your reply.
> 
> "1942-1962 known (4 pgs, in color, slick paper, 7-1/3"x10-1/4")
> "(folded horizontally once or twice as mailers)
> "K.K. Publications (Xmas subscription form)
> "NOTE: It is assumed a different mailer was printed each Xmas for at least
> twenty years."
The one I have certainly doesn't have slick paper. The paper is not 
glossy at all and rather coarse.
> 
> Oversteet also provides details for some of the mailers but nothing
> specifically for 1945 nor 1947.  From the descriptions of the other mailers
> I can tell that the mailers for 1942, 1949, 1950 & 1953 had different covers
> from that shown in Gerber.
> 
Can you tell me what covers that are reprinted on those four mailers ?

> My guess is that what you've got is the actual mailer pictured in Gerber and
> that they probably used the same art work, just changing the year, for a few
> years in the mid-1940s (this may be why Gerber states "circa 1945").  If
> what you have is only one page, more than likely the back page was cut off
> at some point in time.
No I have four pages. I was just trying to explain what it was like. If 
you fold a paper once it gets four pages I suppose.

Ola in a beautiful sunny Stockholm with snow glistening on the trees -6


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From ggk at wp.pl  Tue Feb 10 12:42:47 2004
From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:42:47 +0100
Subject: Disney "Supers"
References: <E1ApDEZ-0006fY-00@sac-cwmail03.cwnet.com>
Message-ID: <004001c3efcb$01815ac0$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8>

> Here's a collage of Disney comics "Super" Heroes & Villains I've
collected.
> http://users.cwnet.com/xephyr/ART/DisneySupers.gif
>


OK. I give up. Can you tell whou is Whou on dis picture?



From danshane at bellsouth.net  Tue Feb 10 12:59:52 2004
From: danshane at bellsouth.net (Dan Shane)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 06:59:52 -0500
Subject: FORBIDDEN ANGST
In-Reply-To: <200402100956.i1A9uqM8015656@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <20040210115932.EWLL6974.imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net@DSHANELT>


DAVE WRITES:

> At any rate, it wasn't until working with Louie for some time that the
> young woman who was his partner and caretaker revealed that he had
> worked on "The Forbidden Planet" and that the weight he seemed to carry
> was a massive guilt that he was thereby directly responsible for an
> aggressive military presence in the modern world!
> 
> When I asked him about this, he indeed felt his work on "The Forbidden
> Planet" introduced and popularized a way of viewing things that he
> regretted abetting. I tried to talk him out of such a notion, but he
> couldn't be moved.

AND I REPLY:

Off-topic or not, I am so glad Dave related this tale on DCML.  I found it
intensely moving as another example of real human beings who contribute to
great projects that are normally seen as the product only of huge
corporations.

And we hardly ever get to hear or read of the effect people's work has on
their own lives.  "Ghastly" Graham Ingles did remarkable work on the EC
horror comics, and he reportedly spent most of his later life regretting his
involvement.

Dan


From donrosa at iglou.com  Tue Feb 10 15:25:55 2004
From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 09:25:55 -0500
Subject: DCML Digest Issue 15
In-Reply-To: <200402100957.i1A9uqM9015656@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <NHBBKFHAOLHDBCINGIHFEEAPEIAA.donrosa@iglou.com>

> From: "L. Schulte" <lschulte at sfstoledo.org>
> Subject: Forbidden Planet/King Kong Again!
> I would like to read what Mr. Rosa thinks of "King Kong", now that he has
> revealed that "Forbidden Planet" is his choice for greatest SF
> movie of all  time, which I tend to agree with.

Off topic? Well, maybe not, as my favorite movies certainly influence my
comics a great deal.
Back in the mid 70's I wrote down a list of my 300 all-time favorite movies.
This list has hardly changed an iota... perhaps some movies that were new at
the time have dropped a bit in my estimation; they seemed so great mostly
because there had not been any quality "fun" movies for about 15 years, and
I was more thankful for them than anything else. I refer to a few movies by
Spielberg and Lucas which I now feel have aspects that are as much annoying
as they are entertaining. Also, there are one or two movies on the list that
I was greatly enamored of before anyone else seemed to know they existed
(main example: IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE), that have dropped a few points in my
current estimation only as a gut-level reaction to how *over* popular they
have become with people simply because (as regards IAWL) WTBS television and
several movie channels run it literally non-stop among them from October
through January every year. Meanwhile, I doubt that I would add more than a
half-dozen movies made in the past 25 years to that list.
Ah, but you asked about KING KONG.
On my list of 300 favorite movies, KING KONG is #3.


From spe at inducks.org  Tue Feb 10 17:06:36 2004
From: spe at inducks.org (Stefan Persson)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:06:36 +0100
Subject: Disney and copyrights
Message-ID: <4029018C.2090703@inducks.org>

Today I received the first Japanese W.I.T.C.H. compilation book, which 
is a Japanese version by the Japanese artist Haruko Iida that is based 
on the Italian original and produced for the Japanese publisher Kadokawa 
Shoten, for which Iida seems to be a regular artist.  What I noticed was 
the copyright statement:

? Haruko IIDA  2003  ? Disney  Printed in Japan

How comes that this issue does not have the usual "? Disney and no one 
else" copyright statement?  If European and American artists can't claim 
any right to their own stories, how comes that this new (to Disney, that 
is) artist can claim rights for her stories?

Stefan


From acsive at mail.mira.dk  Tue Feb 10 17:58:29 2004
From: acsive at mail.mira.dk (acsive@mail.mira.dk)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:58:29 +0100
Subject: Question about years in italian story about Cornelius Coot
Message-ID: <1076432309.40290db5dccee@php.mira.dk>

Hi all

At the moent I'm visitting my good friend Sigvald. We are researching on a lot 
of different things. One thing is a research started by a question in the 
fanzine of our danish donaldist society. 
A guy had read the article about our society in the funish newspaper (they 
covered our meeting in july). In the article the journalist had quoted Sigvald 
wrong about the history of Duckburg. Overmore the guy mentions a story that 
Sigvald hadn't read - I brought it here. 
The danish version claims Cornelius Coot lived from 1672 to 1748. - the 
norwegian version doesn't have any years mentioned. We wonder what the italian 
version says? The code is I 1764 and you can find the story-info here on coa: 
http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/I+TL+1764-B//_
So Italian friends, can you help us?




From ericchun at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 11 00:26:50 2004
From: ericchun at hotmail.com (Eric Chun)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 15:26:50 -0800
Subject: Sympathies to the Lustig Family
Message-ID: <BAY1-F72sMHnxtHq77X000293d3@hotmail.com>

Comic Buyer's Guide #1578 February 13, 2004

10-year-old Laura Lustig dies

Laura Lustig, 10-year-old daughter of CBG contributor and Last Kiss
creator John Lustig, died Jan. 17 at Children's Hospital in Seattle
from acute encephomyelitis that was exacerbated by a weakened immune
system.  "Few people realized how truly fragile her health was all
these years," Lustig wrote.  "Every three weeks for the last six
years, she'd been getting transfusions of gammaglobulin (a blood pro-
duct).  In the end, these boosts to her immune system simply weren't
enough.

"Although she was a special-needs child and had limited speech and
fine motor control, Laura rarely seemed truly limited.  She communi-
cated through smiles, gestures, and pure love.  She was so wonder-
fully happy that everyone around her had no choice but to be happy
with her.  Her greatest joy was people.  And the smile that lit her
face warmed the hearts of friends, family, and total strangers."

A Memorial Mass for Laura was held Jan. 21 at Assumption Church in
Seattle, Wash.  In memory of Laura, the family requested that con-
tributions be made in her name to either Wedgwood Elementary School,
2720 N.E. 85th St., Seattle, WA 98115, or to Boyer Children's Clin-
ic, 1850 Boyer E., Seattle, WA 98112.

"I've had many people ask us if there is anything they can do for
us," Lustig added.  "I can only think of one thing: hug the people
you love.  Tell them that you love them.  And do it as often as you
can -- because you never know what tomorrow may bring."

CBG extends its sympathies to the Lustig family.  Last Kiss will re-
turn after a brief hiatus.

_________________________________________________________________
Get some great ideas here for your sweetheart on Valentine's Day - and 
beyond. http://special.msn.com/network/celebrateromance.armx


From are.myklebust at f1101.aetat.no  Wed Feb 11 08:44:04 2004
From: are.myklebust at f1101.aetat.no (Myklebust,Are)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 08:44:04 +0100
Subject: Al Taliaferro - a kind of index
Message-ID: <post_ut.4029dd44.f1101@aetat.no>

For those who have missed something like this:

A "BIRD'S-EYE VIEW" OVER THE COMIC STRIP ART / COMIC BOOK ART BY
AL TALIAFERRO (1905 - 1969)

Note! The dates are European standard: Day/Month/Year


COMIC STRIPS (Newspapers - King Features Syndicate)

Mickey Mouse (art by Floyd Gottfredson):
Daily Strips: 02.03.1931 - late 1932 (inking of many strips)
(+ one week in 1937)
Sunday Pages: 17.01.1932 - 24.04.1938 (regular inking - together with
Ted Thwaites)

Silly Symphonies - Sunday pages
(strip started 10.01.1932 and ended 12.07.1942):
17.01.1932 - 16.04.1939 (writers: Ted Osborne/ Merrill de Maris)
- including;
"The Wise Little Hen": 16.09.1934 - 16.12.1934 (writer: Ted Osborne)
(Donald Duck's first appearance in comic strips!)
  &
"Donald Duck": 30.08.1936 - 12.12.1937 (writer: Ted Osborne)
(Note; "Silly Symphonies" logo disappeared from 22.08.1937,
title become simply "Donald Duck".)


Donald Duck - daily strips:
07.02.1938 - 18.01.1969 (estimate: ca. 9 300 strips!)
(writer: Bob Karp, Note; the first strips in 1938 (until 06.04.1938) are
credited to be written by Homer Brightman.)

Donald Duck - Sunday pages:
10.12.1939 - 16.02.1969 (estimate: ca. 1 450 pages)
(writer: Bob Karp)


COMIC BOOKS

Walt Disney's Comics and Stories;
(Note; NOT including reprinted newspaper strips! Donald Duck strips
reprints from issue # 1, Silly Symphonies Sunday pages reprints in several
issues from # 5 to # 28.)

Covers:
#  24 (September 1942)
# 107 (August 1949)

"Bucky Bug":
# 39 (December 1943) (10 p.)
# 60 (September 1945) (8 p.)

"Donald Duck" (all 2 pages):
# 100 (January 1949)
# 102 (March 1949)
# 103 (April 1949)

+ Animated short adaptations (all 1 page except noted);
# 54, # 55, # 57, # 60, #71 (2 p.), # 76 (2 p.) & # 80
(March 1945 - May 1947)

- also text-illustrations (2 p.) in issue # 102 & # 107


Cheerios Premium (# X1) - Giveaway 1947;
"Donald Duck, Counter-Spy" (one strip - 30 pages)

Icy-Frost Twins (Ice Cream Bars) - Giveaway 1948
- "Donald Duck's Surprise Party" (16 p., mostly Walt Kelly art);
text-illustrations "Chef Donald" (2 p.)

- also back cover art to many of the Wheaties Giveaways (set C & D, 1951)


CHILDREN BOOKS

"Donald Duck and the Hidden Gold" (Simon and Schuster, New York, 1951)
Story by Jane Werner, illustrations by Al Taliaferro (- who is credited on
the front page!)


Are Myklebust
(Norway)


From SRoweCanoe at aol.com  Wed Feb 11 12:41:08 2004
From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe@aol.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 06:41:08 EST
Subject: Al Taliaferro - a kind of index
Message-ID: <194.249e604c.2d5b6ed4@aol.com>

nice , but whoever compiled it, does need to mention that it only includes 
his Disney comics work (doesnt include his non-Disney comic book work)

steven rowe
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From timoro at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 11 12:54:37 2004
From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 13:54:37 +0200
Subject: Al Taliaferro - a kind of index
Message-ID: <BAY2-F19kWHZqYW8BYX00010065@hotmail.com>

>For those who have missed something like this:...

Nifty quick check list and overview on Taliaferro's Disney work! Very handy. 
Thanks!

Timo

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>From: "Myklebust,Are" <are.myklebust at f1101.aetat.no>
>To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Subject: Al Taliaferro - a kind of index
>Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 08:44:04 +0100
>

>
>A "BIRD'S-EYE VIEW" OVER THE COMIC STRIP ART / COMIC BOOK ART BY
>AL TALIAFERRO (1905 - 1969)
>
>Note! The dates are European standard: Day/Month/Year
>
>
>COMIC STRIPS (Newspapers - King Features Syndicate)
>
>Mickey Mouse (art by Floyd Gottfredson):
>Daily Strips: 02.03.1931 - late 1932 (inking of many strips)
>(+ one week in 1937)
>Sunday Pages: 17.01.1932 - 24.04.1938 (regular inking - together with
>Ted Thwaites)
>
>Silly Symphonies - Sunday pages
>(strip started 10.01.1932 and ended 12.07.1942):
>17.01.1932 - 16.04.1939 (writers: Ted Osborne/ Merrill de Maris)
>- including;
>"The Wise Little Hen": 16.09.1934 - 16.12.1934 (writer: Ted Osborne)
>(Donald Duck's first appearance in comic strips!)
>   &
>"Donald Duck": 30.08.1936 - 12.12.1937 (writer: Ted Osborne)
>(Note; "Silly Symphonies" logo disappeared from 22.08.1937,
>title become simply "Donald Duck".)
>
>
>Donald Duck - daily strips:
>07.02.1938 - 18.01.1969 (estimate: ca. 9 300 strips!)
>(writer: Bob Karp, Note; the first strips in 1938 (until 06.04.1938) are
>credited to be written by Homer Brightman.)
>
>Donald Duck - Sunday pages:
>10.12.1939 - 16.02.1969 (estimate: ca. 1 450 pages)
>(writer: Bob Karp)
>
>
>COMIC BOOKS
>
>Walt Disney's Comics and Stories;
>(Note; NOT including reprinted newspaper strips! Donald Duck strips
>reprints from issue # 1, Silly Symphonies Sunday pages reprints in several
>issues from # 5 to # 28.)
>
>Covers:
>#  24 (September 1942)
># 107 (August 1949)
>
>"Bucky Bug":
># 39 (December 1943) (10 p.)
># 60 (September 1945) (8 p.)
>
>"Donald Duck" (all 2 pages):
># 100 (January 1949)
># 102 (March 1949)
># 103 (April 1949)
>
>+ Animated short adaptations (all 1 page except noted);
># 54, # 55, # 57, # 60, #71 (2 p.), # 76 (2 p.) & # 80
>(March 1945 - May 1947)
>
>- also text-illustrations (2 p.) in issue # 102 & # 107
>
>
>Cheerios Premium (# X1) - Giveaway 1947;
>"Donald Duck, Counter-Spy" (one strip - 30 pages)
>
>Icy-Frost Twins (Ice Cream Bars) - Giveaway 1948
>- "Donald Duck's Surprise Party" (16 p., mostly Walt Kelly art);
>text-illustrations "Chef Donald" (2 p.)
>
>- also back cover art to many of the Wheaties Giveaways (set C & D, 1951)
>
>
>CHILDREN BOOKS
>
>"Donald Duck and the Hidden Gold" (Simon and Schuster, New York, 1951)
>Story by Jane Werner, illustrations by Al Taliaferro (- who is credited on
>the front page!)
>
>
>Are Myklebust
>(Norway)
>
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From are.myklebust at f1101.aetat.no  Wed Feb 11 12:59:00 2004
From: are.myklebust at f1101.aetat.no (Myklebust,Are)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 12:59:00 +0100
Subject: Al Taliaferro - a kind of index - a respond to Steve! 
Message-ID: <post_ut.402a1904.f1101@aetat.no>

Steve Rowe wrote:

> nice , but whoever compiled it, does need to mention that it only
includes
> his Disney comics work (doesnt include his non-Disney comic book work)

It was in fact made by me last week-end, special for the DCML. And as you
have already has pointed out, it "only" includes his Disney work.

Do you have any information about his non-Disney comic book work?
Thanks!

Are Myklebust


From oleroc at tdcspace.dk  Wed Feb 11 13:37:53 2004
From: oleroc at tdcspace.dk (Ole R Nielsen)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 13:37:53 +0100
Subject: Question about years in italian story about Cornelius Coot
Message-ID: <001e01c3f09b$e39202e0$379af33e@OleRoc.opasia.dk>

AC Siveb?k writes:
>The danish version claims Cornelius Coot lived from 1672 to 1748. - the
>norwegian version doesn't have any years mentioned. We wonder what the
italian
>version says? The code is I 1764 and you can find the story-info here on
coa:
>http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/I+TL+1764-B//_
>So Italian friends, can you help us?

As a "Friend of Italy" (and yours) I am happy to oblige and can
report that an error has happened in the translation. The statue
in the splash panel of the story in the Italian version is inscribed
with the words "Cornelius Coot 1673-1784".

--Ole





From SRoweCanoe at aol.com  Wed Feb 11 13:47:22 2004
From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe@aol.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 07:47:22 EST
Subject: Al Taliaferro - a kind of index - a respond to Steve! 
Message-ID: <1f1.18b10582.2d5b7e5a@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/11/2004 7:04:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
are.myklebust at f1101.aetat.no writes:
>Do you have any information about his non-Disney comic book work?
yes, and i thought i had answered this on this list 
(maybe too many years ago? or mabye it was for some al t book?)
  anyway - he did some giveaways for the LA community chest (which i dont 
have)
and he did comic book work for the Sangor Shop (ACG) around 1946-1947 or so 
    I dont have time to find out what issues (my files are burried), but if 
someone can confirm that i didnt send this information here - i'll try to 
remember this weekend

steven rowe
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From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl  Wed Feb 11 14:24:05 2004
From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 14:24:05 +0100
Subject: Rosa in France
Message-ID: <AEEC81A4DAC9554A88BCEA431A34CC040116E588@ds04.tnoase.telecom.tno.nl>

For the Rosa collectors: original Rosa pin-ups have started again in the French PICSOU MAGAZINE. This month's issue (#385) contains a new illustration for "Guardians of the Lost Library".
I don't know if previous issues already contain new Rosa work.

BTW, I didn't like the "staging" (?) of the new drawing very much.
There are 4 green circles in the corners containing pictures of 4 different cities, on parchments or books.
The bottom two circles are in a black horizontal area, separated from the "main" drawing.
To me, there are too many "drawings within drawings", making it a complex picture.
Liked the mouse, though. 8-)

Another interesting thing in this PICSOU MAGAZINE is that they reprint a whole bunch of Van Horn gags and stories from Gladstone's first period. Until now, these stories were only reprinted in Holland (and in albums in Germany and the US, I think).

http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/issue.php/0/fr/PM++385

--Harry.


From bhjellum at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 11 17:14:59 2004
From: bhjellum at hotmail.com (Birger H. Hjellum)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:14:59 +0000
Subject: Disney to be sold?
Message-ID: <Law15-F49WpvcNI0DPC0004da54@hotmail.com>

Check out this:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A31710-2004Feb11.html

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From fms27 at cam.ac.uk  Wed Feb 11 17:36:58 2004
From: fms27 at cam.ac.uk (Frank Stajano)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:36:58 +0000
Subject: Rosa in France
In-Reply-To: <AEEC81A4DAC9554A88BCEA431A34CC040116E588@ds04.tnoase.telec
 om.tno.nl>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.1.20040211163622.0338dc40@localhost>

At 2004-02-11 13:24, H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl wrote:
>This month's issue (#385) contains a new illustration for "Guardians of 
>the Lost Library".

Someone please get a copy of this for Michael Naiman, then! ;-)

   Frank (filologo disneyano) http://www-lce.eng.cam.ac.uk/~fms27/


From sonia.dyer at hp.com  Wed Feb 11 19:31:22 2004
From: sonia.dyer at hp.com (Dyer, Sonia)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 10:31:22 -0800
Subject: Diamond Quiz
Message-ID: <1C4766A743ADF74FAEDF2AAD0679BAA2D226DD@cacexc03.americas.cpqcorp.net>

Olivier wrote:
>Sicne you asked the question, I've been thinking of  the Hope Diamond
> (which you can see at the Smithsonian in DC), but what troubled me is
> that I thought I would have remembered such a reference; now you say
>it is not named in the story, I obviously cound't remember an explicit
>reference. Now, I have no idea in which story it appears. Apparently
>it's a background detail.

It's definitely a sight gag!
HINT: It's in a story by an American author/artist.


From MNaiman at menas.com  Thu Feb  5 00:07:20 2004
From: MNaiman at menas.com (Michael Naiman)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 15:07:20 -0800 
Subject: Barks oils
Message-ID: <371803820EAD4E44A85A2C19F50770E150095E@server.menas.com>

Does anyone know what has been the highest price paid (cash)
for a Barks oil? 

Michael

From MNaiman at menas.com  Tue Feb 10 18:39:49 2004
From: MNaiman at menas.com (Michael Naiman)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 09:39:49 -0800
Subject: A new Rosa drawing
Message-ID: <371803820EAD4E44A85A2C19F50770E15009C6@server.menas.com>

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2224205410&category=3986
Thought that the membership might like to see
that this is for sale on eBay.

Michael

From Micolso at aol.com  Thu Feb 12 05:56:24 2004
From: Micolso at aol.com (Micolso@aol.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 23:56:24 EST
Subject: Central Florida comic shops...
Message-ID: <8e.32753d5.2d5c6178@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/23/2004 6:02:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
dcml-request at stp.ling.uu.se writes:
Would anyone mind telling me if there are any good Disney comic shops (new or 
second hand) in central Florida (St Petersburg/Orlando area).  Thanks
Try Emerald City in St. Pete/Clearwater
Tell Neil, I said Hi

Michael Feldman
The Feldman Family's Home on the Web

"A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any invention in human 
history-- with the possible exceptions of handguns and tequila."
                                                             --Mitch 
Ratliffe, _Technology Review_ April 1992
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From lis- at wp.pl  Thu Feb 12 10:40:10 2004
From: lis- at wp.pl (mateusz lis)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 10:40:10 +0100
Subject: Another Barks'  fact mentioned in DuckTales
Message-ID: <DDEDLIFNHOJJNIBDPPKGGEKFCIAA.lis-@wp.pl>

Hi,
After a long time I rewatched DuckTales' episode "Duck on the Lam", the 4th
one introducing Bubba. I was suprised to see Cornelius Coot statue there,
bacause, as it was earlier mentioned on the list, the second series was
less based on comics.

Here is the screen:
http://disneymania.w.interia.pl/ccoot.jpg

I'm wondering if the statue was earlier shown in the show.

Mateusz Lis


From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl  Thu Feb 12 13:00:48 2004
From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 13:00:48 +0100
Subject: Question about years in italian story about Cornelius Coot
Message-ID: <AEEC81A4DAC9554A88BCEA431A34CC040216B35C@ds04.tnoase.telecom.tno.nl>

Ole to ACS:

> > The danish version claims Cornelius Coot lived from 1672 to 1748.
> > http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/I+TL+1764-B//_
> 
> an error has happened in the translation. The statue
> in the splash panel of the story in the Italian version is inscribed
> with the words "Cornelius Coot 1673-1784".

Maybe it's more an "improvement" than an error? In the Italian original, Coot would have been 111 years old when he died. Maybe the Danish found that too unlikely.
(I know, it *is* possible. It's just unlikely, especially in the 17th/18th century.)

--Harry.

Harry Fluks  --  TNO Telecom  --  Delft  --   Nederland
h.w.fluks at telecom.tno.nl   --   http://dd50.inducks.org
"Wie ben ik? Wat doe ik hier? Waar is mijn Roddelflop?"


From acsive at mail.mira.dk  Thu Feb 12 22:44:55 2004
From: acsive at mail.mira.dk (acsive@mail.mira.dk)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:44:55 +0100
Subject: What's going on with Disney? Crisis?
In-Reply-To: <200402121101.i1CB0vMA020008@numerus.ling.uu.se>
References: <200402121101.i1CB0vMA020008@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <1076622295.402bf3d760959@php.mira.dk>

Hi all

During the last time worrying news have been heard about a big concern, namely 
Disney Co. First thing is that Roy Disney (Walt's nephew) went from the board 
of the company - he now has the webpage www.savedisney.com where he and many 
others advice that Michael Eisner (Is he be any chance a relative of the other 
Eisner in our genre, Will Eisner??) should be removed.

Mr. Disney says that Eisner has forgotten the goals they set in the early 80'es 
when they started to make the company what it has been in the 90'es with great 
movies such as "Lion King" and "Beauty and the Beast". - It seems the company 
is now more concentrated on making money - something that Disney originally 
said was not to be the goal - achievement and quality was the marks of Disney 
when Walt started it. 

Apart from this I first heard that Pixar has left the cooperation with the 
company, as they can easily find a better partner. AND: Then I hear that the 
department that does the animation movies is to be closed?! The production of a 
movie called "A few friendly ghosts" has been stopped - and thus making many 
people unemployed... This makes me very sad as I grew up with the great movies 
as mentioned before. Thanks to a subscriber's offer I got to see the new "Bear 
Brothers" before the premiere in Denmark - it's great IMO. 

Furthermore I read yesterday that Comcast Corp., USAs biggest cable TV company 
has offered to buy the whole concern for 66 billion dollars. 

I wonder if, and how much all this is going to effect our branch of the tree, 
so to speak. Will the license-holders, such as Egmont, Gemstone and the 
publishers in Italy, France and Netherland/Finland suffer from this? Will 
another company know what they have in their hands here, even though the comics 
might be an ever so small part of the whole business? I'm just worrying, and I 
wonder if some of you people here, who are involved in the publishing or 
creating of comics could comment on this - tell us what you think? 

Yours AC


http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/okonomi/article.jhtml?articleID=728628


From kimba1962 at comcast.net  Fri Feb 13 11:46:40 2004
From: kimba1962 at comcast.net (kimba1962@comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:46:40 +0000
Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 12, Issue 18 (Coot statue on "DuckTales")
Message-ID: <021320041046.17533.4d83@comcast.net>

Mateusz wrote,

> After a long time I rewatched DuckTales' episode "Duck on the Lam", the 4th
> one introducing Bubba. I was suprised to see Cornelius Coot statue there,
> bacause, as it was earlier mentioned on the list, the second series was
> less based on comics.
> 
> Here is the screen:
> http://disneymania.w.interia.pl/ccoot.jpg
> 
> I'm wondering if the statue was earlier shown in the show.

I don't believe it was.  The irony is that in the very next split second after this screen grab, the statue was split in half by an oversized "discus" thrown by Bubba!  (Hope I am remembering this correctly!)

Chris Barat

From eega at supereva.it  Fri Feb 13 12:26:28 2004
From: eega at supereva.it (Eta Beta)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:26:28 +0100
Subject: Out on a limb ?
In-Reply-To: <200402131101.i1DB1OMA020429@numerus.ling.uu.se>
References: <200402131101.i1DB1OMA020429@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <19380107045812.31014@mail.tin.it>

AC says

>I wonder if, and how much all this is going to effect our branch of the
tree, 
>so to speak.

BTW, does anyone know, roughly, how much of Disney's total revenues
come from licensing comics production ?

I suspect it might turn out we should call ourselves a twig rather
than a full-grown branch...


Cheers!

Eta Beta

From ggk at wp.pl  Fri Feb 13 12:40:00 2004
From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:40:00 +0100
Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 12, Issue 18 (Coot statue on "DuckTales")
References: <021320041046.17533.4d83@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <002801c3f226$1dbbc5b0$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8>

> > After a long time I rewatched DuckTales' episode "Duck on the Lam", the
4th
> > one introducing Bubba. I was suprised to see Cornelius Coot statue
there,
> > bacause, as it was earlier mentioned on the list, the second series was
> > less based on comics.
> >
> > Here is the screen:
> > http://disneymania.w.interia.pl/ccoot.jpg
> >
> > I'm wondering if the statue was earlier shown in the show.


Good job Mateusz :-)
Dis must be some sort of Cornelius Coot animeted debiut.

Look, Insted of corn's he is holding... well... The Horn of (how do you cold
dis thing in English?). Dis is dis object from Greack metology theat was
made by Zus and given to Demeter. It's giving good stuff and fortune to enny
one whou was holding it (and now propebly it is taken by Gladstone Gander
:-)).
Ow well, Duck Tales creator's propebly was thinking theat Cornelius would
look much better with dis thing's.

Yours
Maciek



From kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net  Fri Feb 13 14:31:59 2004
From: kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net (Matthew Williams)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:31:59 -0500
Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 12, Issue 18 (Coot statue on "DuckTales")
Message-ID: <000301c3f235$c6c67830$3424d044@youroxg2elbf6o>

Chris Barat wrote:

>The irony is that in the very next split second after this screen grab, the
statue was split in half by an oversized "discus" >thrown by Bubba!  (Hope I
am remembering this correctly!)

Don't you love the irony here (I'm being sarcastic :) )?

To Maciek, Coot is holding what I have always heard called the horn of
plenty.  It shows up as a dinner table centerpiece at Thanksgiving so often
here, I wonder how many Americans figure that Miles Standish and Squanto
"invented" it for the first American Thanksgiving.

Matt


From oleroc at tdcspace.dk  Fri Feb 13 17:26:05 2004
From: oleroc at tdcspace.dk (Ole R Nielsen)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:26:05 +0100
Subject: Question about years in italian story about Cornelius Coot
Message-ID: <000e01c3f24e$17888660$379af33e@OleRoc.opasia.dk>

Harry Fluks writes:
>> > The danish version claims Cornelius Coot lived from 1672 to 1748.
>> > http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/I+TL+1764-B//_
>>
>> an error has happened in the translation. The statue
>> in the splash panel of the story in the Italian version is inscribed
>> with the words "Cornelius Coot 1673-1784".
>
>Maybe it's more an "improvement" than an error? In the Italian original,
Coot
>would have been 111 years old when he died. Maybe the Danish found that too
unlikely.
>(I know, it *is* possible. It's just unlikely, especially in the 17th/18th
century.)

With a name like "Coot" (as in "grumpy old coot") I find it more than likely
that
Cornelius lived well beyond average expecteed lifespan of the times.

I too considered that explanation, along with the more common one, being
that
translators are very often wrong when translating numbers - possibly they
are
better at remembering a semantically meaningful sentence than a string of
numbers.

Unless the translator has a better reason than an opinion of what seems
likely,
improvements like this should be avoided - even with lesser Italian writers.

-- Ole



From anders_sivebaek at nns.dk  Fri Feb 13 21:57:41 2004
From: anders_sivebaek at nns.dk (Anders Christian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Siveb=E6k?=)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:57:41 +0100
Subject: Fwd: US 326
Message-ID: <fc.0064b568006f165e0064b568006f163e.6f165f@nns.dk>

Hi all
I'm enjoying having my subscription to the Gemstone-comics. I just got the
issue mentioned in the subject today. I've browsed through it and noticed
that they publish a story by marco Rota where the lines are all too loose
in it for my taste - I hope others will like the story's drawing. If I
remember right the story is fine in itself. 
What i want to comment on is the story "An entanting Encounter" -. written
by Gorm Transgaard and art by Esteban. 
The code i D 99221 for those who want to check in their own national comic
if it's US. 
The story starts with Donald and scrooge working in the store room in the
bin. They are hit by some ray and become so small that they a scared by
the spiders in the office. Erm - do somebody recognize a plot here? more
or less a full storyline? well, i guess the story is fine, if you haven't
read "The scrhrinking Tightwad" by my favorite active cartoonist, but if
you have... the only word I can think of is plagiat - i hope this word is
known in english. 
I do hope Gorm, a danish writer who makes fine stories, did not read the
story i mention - if so it's a bit to much of copying... He shouldn't have
to do that. 
That is my opinion. 

Gemstone-friends here: keep up the fine work!!

Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist



From bi442 at lafn.org  Sat Feb 14 04:48:49 2004
From: bi442 at lafn.org (Rob Klein)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 03:48:49 GMT
Subject: Disney Feature Animation Florida Studio Closing
Message-ID: <200402140348.i1E3mmsd064363@zoot.lafn.org>

Disney Feature Animation did NOT make plans to shut down.  They DID make plans 
to shut down their Florida studio, which, along with the "original" sudio in 
Burbank and (now Glendale), California, produced the traditional hand-drawn 
animation. I believe that thier California studio was quite a bit larger than 
their Florida studio.  In addition, I suspect that many of the more 
accomplished artists from the Florida studio will be given jobs in the 
California studio.  I would guess that Disney Feature Animation will have less 
staff and capability to produce animated features, but I would guess that they 
will be losing, at most, one-third or less of their production capability for 
making animated feature films. Don't forget that Disney TV Animation also has a 
large staff that work on sequals to animated features.  I wouldn't expect to 
see much difference in the quality of their films, -only a few less films per 
five year period. 

Rob
Klein

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From ggk at wp.pl  Sat Feb 14 12:17:00 2004
From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:17:00 +0100
Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 12, Issue 18 (Coot statue on "DuckTales")
References: <000301c3f235$c6c67830$3424d044@youroxg2elbf6o>
Message-ID: <001201c3f2ec$114bf4a0$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8>

> To Maciek, Coot is holding what I have always heard called the horn of
> plenty. 

Ow rith theat's the name. 
Thank's

Yours
Maciek




From tpeaco at exploremaine.com  Sat Feb 14 12:54:30 2004
From: tpeaco at exploremaine.com (Tom Peaco)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 06:54:30 -0500
Subject: Is this a comic book or a subscription folder ?
References: <200402100957.i1A9uqM9015656@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <006701c3f2f2$a08a4710$f7f9dcd8@Dell4550>

Ola Martinsson wrote:

> > From the descriptions of the other mailers
> > I can tell that the mailers for 1942, 1949, 1950 & 1953 had different
covers
> > from that shown in Gerber.
> >
> Can you tell me what covers that are reprinted on those four mailers ?

1942 - WDC&S 25
1949 - "A rare Barks item: Same WDC&S cover as 1942 mailer, but with art
changed so that nephew is handing teacher Donald a comic book rather than an
apple as originally drawn by Kelly.  The tiny, 7/8"x1-1/4" cover shown was a
rejected cover by Barks that was intended for C&S 110, but was redrawn by
Kelly for C&S 111.  The original art has been lost and this is its only app.
(Rare)"
1950 - "P.1 r/cover to Dell Xmas Parade 4 (w/o title); p.2 r/Kelly cover to
C&S 101 (w/o title), but with the art altered to show Donald reading C&S 122
(by Kelly); hardcover book, "Donald Duck in Bringing Up the Boys" given iwth
a $1.00 one-year subscription; P.4 r/Kelly Xmas cover to C&S 99 (Rare)"
1953 - "P.1 r/cover to Dell Xmas Parade 4 (w/o title); insides offer "Donald
Duck Full Speed Ahead", a 28 pgae, color 5-5/8"x6-5/8" book, not of the
Story Hours series; P.4 r/full Barks C&S 148 cover (Rare)"

> Ola in a beautiful sunny Stockholm with snow glistening on the trees -6

Tom in chilly Maine  22F (-5C)



From bangfish at comcast.net  Sat Feb 14 16:06:35 2004
From: bangfish at comcast.net (Gary Leach)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 10:06:35 -0500
Subject: Shrunk ducks
In-Reply-To: <200402141100.i1EB0RM8018028@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <615536C8-5EFF-11D8-8F56-000393C28E48@comcast.net>

Anders:

> They are hit by some ray and become so small that they a scared by
> the spiders in the office. Erm - do somebody recognize a plot here?

Yes, from Carl Barks' "Billions in the Hole."

Barks was hardly the only comics creator to run that basic plot idea 
through it's paces. It's one of the hoariest fallback plot cliches 
around - you weren't a proper Silver Age DC character unless you'd been 
shrunk and forced to battle "giant" insects at least once.

Gary


From anders_sivebaek at nns.dk  Sun Feb 15 00:57:45 2004
From: anders_sivebaek at nns.dk (Anders Christian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Siveb=E6k?=)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 00:57:45 +0100
Subject: Picsou mag
Message-ID: <fc.0064b568006f25610064b568006f2561.6f2564@nns.dk>

Hi all

I'd like to go down on my crying knees (?) and pleed our french friends
(fresh friends as a greek restaurant -owner once pronounced it, if I'm not
mistaken) to **Scan the Rosa-pin-up in the new Picsou** - Just for use of
reference and enjoying the drawing. also for finding the duck-dedication -
I've searched on the pages I know who have cover/illustration-scans and
they don't have newer scans than the one which was in 349. 

Please? Olivier? Gilles?
(BTW i'm sure I'd have swap-material for it if anyone is interested...)

Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist



From anders_sivebaek at nns.dk  Sun Feb 15 13:19:44 2004
From: anders_sivebaek at nns.dk (Anders Christian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Siveb=E6k?=)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 13:19:44 +0100
Subject: Plots
In-Reply-To: <200402151101.i1FB0UMA018559@numerus.ling.uu.se>
References: <200402151101.i1FB0UMA018559@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <fc.0064b568006f2b3b3b9aca00b2f87372.6f2b52@nns.dk>

Hi all
>
Me: 
>> They are hit by some ray and become so small that they a scared by
>> the spiders in the office. Erm - do somebody recognize a plot here?
>
Gary
>Yes, from Carl Barks' "Billions in the Hole."
>
>Barks was hardly the only comics creator to run that basic plot idea 
>through it's paces. It's one of the hoariest fallback plot cliches 
>around - you weren't a proper Silver Age DC character unless you'd been 
>shrunk and forced to battle "giant" insects at least once.

Okay, i was too fast there - and I remember the incredible schrinking man
too... - 

Anyway, when in the opinion of you people here, is a plot to close to
another. 

Take for instance some stories (drawn!) by Vicar - they rephrase
Barks-stories. 

Rosa has done a few too - but are they to likely to the Barks-stories
where they have the plot? 
Some readers think so. - others like it when Rosa takes up an old thread. 

When I first read certain Murry-stories, i thought: what is he trying to
do here - copy Gottfredson?
The case is, he was payed to do so, because the Gottfredson-stories didn't
fit the format. - It was 
easier to have them redrawn. 

Redrawn stories is an issue too. - It's done for different reasons, but
what do you think of 
redrawings by Murry, Jippes and Rosa? 
>

Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist



From bi442 at lafn.org  Sun Feb 15 18:31:10 2004
From: bi442 at lafn.org (Rob Klein)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 17:31:10 GMT
Subject: Plot stealing
Message-ID: <200402151731.i1FHVAbR084314@zoot.lafn.org>

For A.C.: Hi friend. Hope to see you in Danmark this June.
Our mutual friend, Gorm Traansgard is a great and prolific storywriter. When I 
lived and worked in Denmark for Gutenberghus/Egmont, I had regular writing 
brainstorming sessions with him (among other Disney writers).  He came up with 
hundreds of great story ideas which were very original.
He does NOT need to plagerise stories from other writers. Re-using a plot
from a famous or little-known story is just about as old as storytelling, 
itself. He used that oft-used plot element (shrinking device shrinks people, so 
that they are smaller than small animals, who have their changed from having 
their lives depend upon the whims of humans, to the shrunken people reversing 
roles with them). Of course, Gorm has read the Barks story. He grew up reading 
Anders And! he used that plot element in this story for a similar (but slightly 
different purpose). One might claim that it is TOO CLOSE to the Barks 
storyline.  But, I, for one, knowing the hundreds of stories Gorm has written 
that have been totally original, would overlook the fact that he has employed 
an oft-used plot device in this one story.  The idea of turning the tables on 
Mankind and a tiny species is universal to Humans, and if there had been no 
Human literature, any person might have come up with it, independently, to make 
a related point.


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From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com  Mon Feb 16 05:36:44 2004
From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:36:44 EST
Subject: January 2004 US Top 300 Sales
Message-ID: <75.2274a47c.2d61a2dc@aol.com>

Hi all!

Here are the sales figures for Disney comics in the US for January 2004.

165. Donald Duck and Friends #312   5,681
167. Uncle Scrooge #326  5,557
169. Mickey Mouse and Friends #261  5,379
173. Walt Disney's Comics and Stories #641  4,916

Looks like Disney comic sales held pretty well considering that most books 
had a big dropoff in sales from the holiday period.

http://icv2.com/articles/home/4264.html 

Derek Smith
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From madsj at raptus.dk  Mon Feb 16 13:17:51 2004
From: madsj at raptus.dk (Mads Jensen)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 13:17:51 +0100
Subject: Shrinking gag
Message-ID: <200402161317.AA3908042912@raptus.dk>

Hi

The movie series "Honey, I shrunk the kids" (which I believe is made by Disney) reuses the gag in several movies, and now even started a half-hour comedy show based on the storylines.

Yours sincerely,
Mads

From bangfish at comcast.net  Mon Feb 16 14:32:32 2004
From: bangfish at comcast.net (Gary Leach)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:32:32 -0500
Subject: Let me plot the ways...
In-Reply-To: <200402161100.i1GB0HM8013314@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <92D610D7-6084-11D8-A298-000393C28E48@comcast.net>

Anders,

> Anyway, when in the opinion of you people here, is a plot to close to
> another.

An interesting question and, for me, a tough one. Having reviewed tons 
of Disney stories, from all times and lots of places, I've noticed 
certain basic plots being used over and over and over. Combine that 
with characters and situations that are of necessity used over and over 
and over, and in certain respects the term "plagiarism" loses all 
meaning.

My own basic yardstick is this: has the writer done enough with the 
plot, characters, situations, etc., to keep me from thinking I've read 
the exact same story before?

Like you, Anders, I'd be interested to know what others think about 
this.

Gary


From kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net  Mon Feb 16 17:41:24 2004
From: kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net (Matthew Williams)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:41:24 -0500
Subject: Let me plot the ways...
Message-ID: <000301c3f4ab$bf107e60$7524d044@youroxg2elbf6o>

Concerning "An Entangled Encounter" specifically, I felt like the story was
elevated from being a rip-off of a dozen other stories by its clever
characterization of the spiders.  I thoroughly enjoyed the spiders' dialogue
and names, in particular.  The exchanges between Scrooge and Donald were
fresh and funny as well.  The accidental shrinking and the conclusion where
Scrooge flew off at the businessman for wanting to smash the spider seemed
familiar, but I didn't feel like I was being served reheated leftovers.



Approaching the issue from a more general standpoint, I would argue that
truly original plot lines are hard to come by.  I wonder how many truly
original plots are left out there!  Reducing most plot lines to their basic
elements might seemingly reveal a lack of originality on the writer's part.
Still, consider all of the Barks' stories where the ducks become entangled
with a society of little people.  Many of these stories share very similar
plot details and motifs, but when I read "Land of the Peewigahs," I don't
worry that Barks is ripping off "Mystery of the Swamp."  Some of Barks
ten-pagers are even more direct rewrites of earlier stories.  Take the two
ten-pagers where the boys rebel against bathing.  Barks brings enough
originality to the second story to keep it from being a disappointing rehash
of the first story.  Additionally, it's important to remember that all of
Shakespeare's plays were based on older stories or plays.  Only immature
students would accuse Shakespeare of plagiarism, though.



To me, a good story can have a very familiar plotline and still be a good
story.  It's just important that SOMETHING about the story is original.  The
gags should be fresh, or maybe something unique should be revealed or
reflected about the characters.  In the comics, often an artist's fresh
style redeems a story that would be trite otherwise.  Many Rosa stories
follow a time-tested treasure hunt plot development, but Rosa keeps the
stories fresh with a basis in historical truth (of course, Rosa uses many,
many other devices to keep his comics fresh).



And I'll say one more thing!  I like original story ideas-a large part of
the success of Van Horn's "The Whistling Ghost," for example, is due to the
bizarre, original plot.  Still, plot isn't at the top of my list of story
priorities.  Character, dialogue, and humor all come before plot for me.  I
think a story is only truly a failure when it lacks originality in multiple
areas.



Thanks for letting me ramble!



Matt


From dve at kabelfoon.nl  Mon Feb 16 18:24:54 2004
From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:24:54 +0100
Subject: Shrinking gag
Message-ID: <20040216172243.23FC519FD08@pelian.kabelfoon.nl>

MADS JENSEN, 16-02-2004:

> The movie series "Honey, I shrunk the kids" (which I believe is 
> made by Disney) reuses the gag in several movies, and now even 
> started a half-hour comedy show based on the storylines.

The Beatles also used a shrinking gag, in their movie "Help!" (1965).

Paul McCartney is shrunk a by an accidental injection from two crazy 
scientists. He washes himself in an ash-tray, using cola. And he tries 
to smoke a real-size cigarette, but immediately faints while doing so. 
When the other Beatles see a red spot on the floor, they panick because 
they think they've just crushed Paul.

I find 'Help!' a very funny, zany movie, by the way. A lot of scenes 
look like embryonic Monty Python to me. But maybe it's just the 
"English humour" that I recognize. Compared with today's standards, 
the movie is a bit slow. It's not suitable for impatient people who 
are only used to (modern) fast movies.

--- Dani?l

"Stop! You don't know what you're doing to yourself"
(Which Barks story?) :-)
Hint #1: These words are spoken by Donald.
Hint #2: Donald is talking to an animal.


From TheGuy at DrawsOn.Com  Mon Feb 16 19:34:24 2004
From: TheGuy at DrawsOn.Com (Dave Rawson)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:34:24 -0800
Subject: Plot Points
Message-ID: <40310D30.1090102@DrawsOn.Com>

Matthew Williams <kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net> wrote:

 > I wonder how many truly original plots are left out there!

There's actually a thin little book out there called "Twenty-One Plots" 
or something like that that posits that there are only a few possible 
plots (e.g. Man vs Nature, Man vs Man, Man vs The Gods, Man vs His Own 
Nature, etc.).

These are at a very high level of abstraction and that, I believe, is 
the clue to understanding. Congruence tends to be in the abstract, 
divergence in the details.

Anthologies have been written of different writers approach of the exact 
same abstract plot.

Think of the boy meets girl, boy looses girl, boy gets girl. How many 
times has that been done? Why, kill them all in the end and it's 
Shakespeare!

 From a professional viewpoint, I always find it interesting (and 
sometimes quite painful) to watch the dictums that editors and 
publishers have regarding writing. "The character must always undergo 
change, or there is no arc." Sorry, wrong. "Drama is conflict. The 
villain must be strong." Nope, not true.

Virtually every dictum I've been handed by those in the know is silly 
with lots of tremendously successful storytelling to point to in 
"violation" to any given "must be".

Usually all I learn from a dictum is how poorly read or culturally 
under-exposed a given authority is.

I actually had an editor excise the word "hubris" because he didn't know 
what it meant and angrily pronounced that no one else, therefore, would 
either.

Regardless, a freelancer is hired to do a job and ignores the stated 
requirements at their own peril, so ultimately it matters little about 
the dictum and the reality. The dictum becomes the contractual 
requirement and one accepts that and performs as requested.

I actually enjoy reading or watching stories that violate dictums.

I remember seeing a Bonnie Hunt movie, I think it was the final work of 
Carrol O'Conner. David Duchovny played a recent widower who falls in 
love with the woman who received his former wife's heart.

There was no villain in the drama. Every character in the story was 
humane. The conflict came entirely from whether or not the main 
character would ever tumble to what the audience knew (above) all along.

I thought it was a very sweet endeavor to stage the story this way.

As far as "change", which seems to be THE giant requirement of a 
generation of American editors, one need look no further than "A Day In 
The Life Of Ivan Denisovich, Alexander Solzhenitsyn's study of the 
Soviet Gulag, where it is the mind-numbing sameness that glorifies the 
inextinguishable human spirit. Nothing changes, life goes on, and 
therefore triumphs!

It doesn't take much thought to puncture the rules.

But one must understand the rules, to alter them.

You can build a house without framing if you wish, but you'd better 
understand distributed stress and tension if you want to inhabit it.

All that said, my personal bugaboo in Disney Comics is the aping of the 
super-hero. What if Mickey were Spider-man? The Hulk? Batman?

I know, what if Tolkein wrote with Disney characters?

What new movie is breaking and how can we loosely copy it and seem hip 
and timely?

This seems to me a creator that can't find any originality, but is 
desperate for approval and praise which, sadly, is often forthcoming. It 
just seems so calculated to me that it makes me feel crassly manipulated.

Regardless, it's inescapable that I have my own sources and biases in 
forming stories.

Likely that's why the most enduring advice for a writer is to write what 
one knows, thereby increasing the chance for "originality", whatever 
that might be.




From madsj at raptus.dk  Tue Feb 17 15:25:37 2004
From: madsj at raptus.dk (Mads Jensen)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 15:25:37 +0100
Subject: Rosa stories ?
Message-ID: <40322461.30701@raptus.dk>

Hi

I just finished reading a Geoffrey Blum in the Danish fanzine "Carl 
Barks & Co." #19, I noticed that there's a Rosa story which Byron 
Ericson rejected, but then Bob Foster accepted it at some point. The 
story is called "The Money Whirl Pool" (according to Blum), and I'd like 
to know if anyone knows what became of that story ? Did Disney use the 
script, and had someone draw it ? Or is it somewhere in their files, 
awaiting to be used at some point ?

Furthermore Blum mentions "Ghast Gow" as the first thing he ever saw by 
Rosa, but the interview doesn't mention it any further. But according to 
Blum, the reason why it was rejected was that it was built too much over 
an old classic (which could only be by Barks, in this contents, I 
believe ? :-))

I'd be glad if anyone could give info about this.

Yours sincerely,
Mads


From eega at supereva.it  Tue Feb 17 16:32:04 2004
From: eega at supereva.it (Eta Beta)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:32:04 +0100
Subject: Let me plot the ways...
In-Reply-To: <200402171102.i1HB23MA026057@numerus.ling.uu.se>
References: <200402171102.i1HB23MA026057@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <19380111090348.26122@mail.tin.it>


Shrinking characters is indeed an old and popular cliche' also outside
the Disney world, there's Isaac Asimov's novel (and later movie) the
title of which I can never remember ("Hallucinating Voyage" back-
translating from the italian title), and of course Brick Bradford and
his trip whithin a coin, that was before the Barks' story quoted, I
seem to recall.

Also, in France there's a comic series devoted to "Les Petits Hommes",
a bunch of people whose diminutive size is permanent (freely chosen,
I seem to understand), rather than temporary.

I'm generally with GARY when he says...

>My own basic yardstick is this: has the writer done enough with the 
>plot, characters, situations, etc., to keep me from thinking I've read 
>the exact same story before?

But I might also add that it could be nicely challenging for authors
to try and measure themselves against old cliches to see if they
can revamp an old idea with a personal touch.

And they may even fail miserably without deserving being accused
of plagiarism, in my opinion, if they tried their best.

Of course it's not easy to tell when a less-than-perfect clicheed
story is the result of a honest attempt in the above fashion and
when it's due to plain lack of own imagination... :-)

Oh, BTW, I want to make clear that I'm not referring to Gorm
Transgaard's story with any of the above, I haven't even read that
one yet, this is all in general terms.


DAVE RAWSON then wrote...

>All that said, my personal bugaboo in Disney Comics is the aping of the 
>super-hero. What if Mickey were Spider-man? The Hulk? Batman?
>
>I know, what if Tolkein wrote with Disney characters?
>
>What new movie is breaking and how can we loosely copy it and seem hip 
>and timely?
>
>This seems to me a creator that can't find any originality [snip]

Well, I don't agree on that, again in general terms.
This is different than using "situation-cliches", here we come in
the realm of the parody/spoof, which to me is a perfectly "acceptable"
form of comic expression.

Again, we should judge the results obtained, I grew up with the
italian Disney parodies of classic literature and have always
LOVED them, I think they're actually quite educational... AND
funny to boot... :-)

On the other hand, I'm not exactly fond of Disney super-heroes,
either... I find those, especially the italian Paperinik (moreso
in the recent, "modern" incarnation) but also most of Super Goof
quite repetitive and unoriginal...

Maybe a good parody is best left "one-shot" rather than made into
a series...

Well, that's all cordially imho, of course :-)


Cheers!

Eta Beta

From lschulte at sfstoledo.org  Tue Feb 17 16:49:13 2004
From: lschulte at sfstoledo.org (L. Schulte)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 10:49:13 -0500
Subject: Aristotle/Plots/Grammar
In-Reply-To: <200402171100.i1HB0XM8025960@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.1.20040217103828.00ab05d8@10.0.0.8>

Concerning plots, Aristotle is the one who opined that all stories can be 
boiled down to 4 basic conflicts: man vs. man, man vs. Nature, man vs. God, 
and man vs. himself.
Some might say that Science Fiction has added the conflict of man vs. 
machine; others would say that is just man vs. himself (Who made the 
machine?).  Others would combine man vs. Nature/God as one conflict.

Donald stories obviously use the plot of duck vs. himself  quite often as 
the main source of the story's energy.

And I have always been annoyed by the mistake in the title "Honey, I Shrunk 
the Kids": it should be "shrank"  (parallel with drink, drank, has drunk), 
but given that the illiterati are in charge and the barbarians are running 
the asylum, you hear monstrosities like "I seen" or "I've ran" "He's drank" 
etc.  everywhere, even from people who shouild know better!


From sverre at pdq.net  Tue Feb 17 17:00:02 2004
From: sverre at pdq.net (Sverre Amundsen)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:00:02 -0000 (GMT)
Subject: Let me plot the ways...
In-Reply-To: <19380111090348.26122@mail.tin.it>
References: <200402171102.i1HB23MA026057@numerus.ling.uu.se> 
     <19380111090348.26122@mail.tin.it>
Message-ID: <19843.161.114.1.185.1077033602.squirrel@webmail.pdq.net>

>
> Shrinking characters is indeed an old and popular cliche' also outside
> the Disney world, there's Isaac Asimov's novel (and later movie) the
> title of which I can never remember ("Hallucinating Voyage" back-
> translating from the italian title), and of course Brick Bradford and
> his trip whithin a coin, that was before the Barks' story quoted, I
> seem to recall.

The title of the book and movie is Fantastic Voyage. Asimov wrote the
novelization of the movie, so the story is not really his. He also wrote a
sequel several years later called Fantastic Voyage II: Destination Brain.

Sverre

From ramapith at mail.dk  Tue Feb 17 18:57:28 2004
From: ramapith at mail.dk (David Gerstein)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 12:57:28 -0500
Subject: KUR: Paperinik
Message-ID: <BC57C037.1E6C%ramapith@mail.dk>

    Hey Maciek (and others?),

>> Can you name the "Hero/Villain" and their costumed "alter-ego"?
>
> There's :
>
> Donald - Papiernik/Super Duck/ Super Donald

    "Super Donald" isn't a legitimate English name for the character. Donald
is his *secret* identity, and he wouldn't reveal it by making it part of his
public superhero name.
    Other *real* English names for Donald's super identity are PK (which has
been used in English, in the computer game) and The Duck Avenger.

> Gilbert - Super Gilbert (probably, I don't remember English name)

    It's Super Gilly.

    David


From spe at inducks.org  Tue Feb 17 19:06:17 2004
From: spe at inducks.org (Stefan Persson)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 19:06:17 +0100
Subject: KUR: Paperinik
In-Reply-To: <BC57C037.1E6C%ramapith@mail.dk>
References: <BC57C037.1E6C%ramapith@mail.dk>
Message-ID: <40325819.1050201@inducks.org>

David Gerstein wrote:
>     "Super Donald" isn't a legitimate English name for the character. Donald
> is his *secret* identity, and he wouldn't reveal it by making it part of his
> public superhero name.

So calling himself Super Duck doesn't reveal his last name...?

Stefan

From olaf at andebyonline.com  Tue Feb 17 19:14:17 2004
From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 19:14:17 +0100
Subject: KUR: Paperinik
In-Reply-To: <40325819.1050201@inducks.org>
References: <BC57C037.1E6C%ramapith@mail.dk> <40325819.1050201@inducks.org>
Message-ID: <opr3i0x3qe09gznx@mail.andebyonline.com>

P? Tue, 17 Feb 2004 19:06:17 +0100, skrev Stefan Persson <spe at inducks.org>:

> David Gerstein wrote:
>> "Super Donald" isn't a legitimate English name for the character. Donald
>> is his *secret* identity, and he wouldn't reveal it by making it part of 
>> his
>> public superhero name.
>
> So calling himself Super Duck doesn't reveal his last name...?

Uhm, not at all! After all, there's so many people named Duck. He could 
be... Daisy, or Louie, or even Grandma.

From spe at inducks.org  Tue Feb 17 19:14:51 2004
From: spe at inducks.org (Stefan Persson)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 19:14:51 +0100
Subject: KUR: Paperinik
In-Reply-To: <opr3i0x3qe09gznx@mail.andebyonline.com>
References: <BC57C037.1E6C%ramapith@mail.dk> <40325819.1050201@inducks.org>
	<opr3i0x3qe09gznx@mail.andebyonline.com>
Message-ID: <40325A1B.7010609@inducks.org>

Olaf Solstrand wrote:
>> So calling himself Super Duck doesn't reveal his last name...?
> Uhm, not at all! After all, there's so many people named Duck. He could 
> be... Daisy, or Louie, or even Grandma.

Aren't there other people called Donald too, that we have never heard of?

Stefan

From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl  Tue Feb 17 19:20:14 2004
From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 19:20:14 +0100
Subject: Paperinik
Message-ID: <AEEC81A4DAC9554A88BCEA431A34CC040216B36D@ds04.tnoase.telecom.tno.nl>

David:

> "Super Donald" isn't a legitimate English name for the 
> character. Donald
> is his *secret* identity, and he wouldn't reveal it by making 
> it part of his public superhero name.

Well, in Dutch his name *is* Superdonald. Besides, in Duckburg and surroundings, no one would recognise secret identities, even if the people have quite unique marks like a sailor hat or a name like "Supergoof".

--Harry.

Harry Fluks  --  TNO Telecom  --  Delft  --   Nederland
h.w.fluks at telecom.tno.nl   --   http://dd50.inducks.org
"Wie ben ik? Wat doe ik hier? Waar is mijn Roddelflop?"


From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr  Tue Feb 17 20:06:20 2004
From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 20:06:20 +0100
Subject: Paperinik
References: <AEEC81A4DAC9554A88BCEA431A34CC040216B36D@ds04.tnoase.telecom.tno.nl>
Message-ID: <002e01c3f589$214fabe0$208f3351@computer>

>>>> David:
>> > "Super Donald" isn't a legitimate English name for the
>>> > character. Donald
>>> > is his *secret* identity, and he wouldn't reveal it by making
>>> > it part of his public superhero name.

Harry:
>>> Well, in Dutch his name *is* Superdonald. Besides, in Duckburg and
surroundings, no one would recognise secret
>>>identities, even if the people have quite unique marks like a sailor hat
or a name like "Supergoof".


It's a odd convention that a mere mask or change of  costume makes you
unrecognizable / unidentifiable: Clark Kent can in no way be Superman, Don
Diego certainly doesn't sound like Zorro, the Beagle Boys clearly don't look
like-- uh, forget that one-- Wonder Woman and Diana Prince have nothing in
common (it's all in the glasses, like Clark), ...



Olivier



From xephyr at cwnet.com  Tue Feb 17 19:58:05 2004
From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 10:58:05 -0800
Subject: Paperinik or Pikappa?
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From spe at inducks.org  Tue Feb 17 20:28:09 2004
From: spe at inducks.org (Stefan Persson)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 20:28:09 +0100
Subject: Paperinik or Pikappa?
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Rich Bellacera wrote:
> Lately I've noticed the common use of the Italian name "Pikappa" in reference to 
> PKNA/Paperinik.  What does Pikappa mean and how is it used with respect to 
> Paperinik (The Duck Avenger)?  I'm a little confused.

Pi = P
Kappa = K

PK = abbreviation for Paperinik.

Stefan

From frspreaf at tin.it  Tue Feb 17 20:30:56 2004
From: frspreaf at tin.it (Francesco Spreafico)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 20:30:56 +0100
Subject: Paperinik or Pikappa?
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Rich Bellacera wrote:

> Lately I've noticed the common use of the Italian name "Pikappa" in
> reference to PKNA/Paperinik.  What does Pikappa mean and how is it used
> with respect to Paperinik (The Duck Avenger)?  I'm a little confused.

"Pikappa" is the sound of the letters "p" (pi) and "k" (kappa) in Italian,
joined in one only word. It started being called like that in 1996, in the
series "PKNA" (Paperinik New Adventures), because... well, for no real
reason I guess, it just sounded cool and made him somewhat different from
the classic Paperinik.

Later in the current PKNA book (Now named only "PK") they got completely rid
of continuity and started from scratch, in a world where Paperinik never
even existed and the super hero secret identity Donald starts to have in
issue 1 (given to him by some aliens!) is just named "PK" (still pronounced
"pikappa", I guess), being some kind of galactic code or something... I
actually read that issue and forgot it right away since I found the whole
concept preposterous!

Francesco
http://www.dimensionedelta.net


From xephyr at cwnet.com  Tue Feb 17 20:29:15 2004
From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:29:15 -0800
Subject: Paperinik or Pikappa?
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From spe at inducks.org  Tue Feb 17 21:12:28 2004
From: spe at inducks.org (Stefan Persson)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:12:28 +0100
Subject: Paperinik or Pikappa?
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Rich Bellacera wrote:
> Well, since those are actually "Greek" letters, wouldn't that make it 
> *another* "Greek" name along with Fantom Ntak? :-)

Those are the Italian pronunciations of the Roman letters P & K 
respectively.

> What is this "Galactic Code" thing Francesco suggests?

See http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/I+PK3+++1-1

Stefan

From frspreaf at tin.it  Tue Feb 17 21:31:47 2004
From: frspreaf at tin.it (Francesco Spreafico)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:31:47 +0100
Subject: Paperinik or Pikappa?
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Stefan Persson wrote:

>> What is this "Galactic Code" thing Francesco suggests?
>
> See http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/I+PK3+++1-1

That doesn't explain much :-)

Ok, let's do this orrible thing and go take a look at this book...

Ok, done (yuck!)... Donald gets picked up by these "Watchers of the Galaxy"
(all of them wear the outfit we're used to see Paperink wear since 1969,
that's so weird) to be Earth's Watcher.
At the very end of the story, after he's beaten some Evronians (evil aliens)
he's asked what his name is... he has no clue about what to say, takes a
look at his shield and sees a code "PK2370"... so he answers "From now on
call me... Pikappa". No real meaning at all!

Sprea


From donrosa at iglou.com  Tue Feb 17 21:39:35 2004
From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 15:39:35 -0500
Subject: DCML Digest Issue 24
In-Reply-To: <200402171930.i1HJTxM9030652@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <NHBBKFHAOLHDBCINGIHFGEGFEJAA.donrosa@iglou.com>

> From: Mads Jensen <madsj at raptus.dk>
> Subject: Rosa stories ?
> I just finished reading a Geoffrey Blum in the Danish fanzine "Carl
> Barks & Co." #19, I noticed that there's a Rosa story which Byron
> Ericson rejected, but then Bob Foster accepted it at some point. The
> story is called "The Money Whirl Pool" (according to Blum), and I'd like
> to know if anyone knows what became of that story ?

The story wasn't titled "Money Whirlpool". It was "The Money Pit". As you
probably know, that was in the first issue of Disney's DONALD DUCK
ADVENTURES -- I submitted only that single story to them as a symbol of good
faith that I would work for them if they changed some of their various
archaic policies... then I continued to work for Egmont (Gutenburghus, in
those days).

> Furthermore Blum mentions "Ghast Gow" as the first thing he ever saw by
> Rosa, but the interview doesn't mention it any further. But according to
> Blum, the reason why it was rejected was that it was built too much over
> an old classic (which could only be by Barks, in this contents, I
> believe ? :-))

I could decipher what that first misinformation involved, but this seems to
have no bearing on any facts that I know of. Are you sure you're translating
this correctly? "Ghast Gow" seems to not be translated back from whatever
language that fanzine is written in... it is totally unrecognizable to me,
but it doesn't look like it could mean "The Son of the Sun" which is the
first Duck story I ever did and the first story of mine that Blum ever saw.
That story, of course, was not rejected, and Blum never saw it until it was
completed, art and all, at which point he wrote me a long letter saying it
was the best $crooge adventure since Barks retired. Aside from "The Money
Pit", there were no stories that I ever did for Gladstone that were
rejected. Oh, wait -- there was a short story that I wrote (never drew)
about the opening of the new Disney/MGM Studio Park that was rejected by
Disney for bizarre reasons that were never explained... perhaps they simply
didn't want their Parks promoted inside comic books which they didn't have
enough control over... I'll never know the reason. And I'm not even sure if
I was to do it for the Gladstone issues or something else that Hamilton
planned to interest Disney in.
Blum is a first-rate Barks scholar, but this would not be the first time he
has reported incorrect information about my stories without checking the
accuracy of his facts or of ideas he's gotten into his head from unknown (to
me) sources. That's why I had to hand-correct those errors in the Blum
article on my work in the Gladstone "Life of $crooge" book so that I could
allow myself to still autograph the entire print run which I didn't want
Gladstone to hafta eat. If you are reporting the article in the fanzine you
mention accurately, Blum must have been wildly misquoted! Otherwise he's
made up some pretty exotic information in that interview. Or maybe "Ghast
Gow" was a story somebody else did?


From xephyr at cwnet.com  Tue Feb 17 21:31:23 2004
From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 12:31:23 -0800
Subject: Ellsworth "Bhezer"?
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From jano.rohleder at gmx.de  Tue Feb 17 21:59:15 2004
From: jano.rohleder at gmx.de (Jano Rohleder)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:59:15 +0100
Subject: [Off Topic] I'd need help from a French member
Message-ID: <000a01c3f598$e72176f0$0201a8c0@jano>

Hi together,

this message is directed towards the French and Canadian DCML-members (and
anyone who speaks perfectly French).
It would be great if someone could tell me (in some French headwords
or -sentences would be the best) what the following text says about Quebec.
That could be information on landscape, culture, climate, people, etc.
It's a very difficult text and even after five and a half years of French
learning in school I don't understand much. I already found out that it's
very snowy and that the author (or the protagonist) thinks that the Quebecan
(is that the word?) interest for education isn't very high.

Here is the link: http://donrosa.free.fr/off-topic/text/

To give a better overview, I scanned the text in 10 small parts,
nevertheless it's not a very long text (especially if you understand what it
says ;-)).
It would be very great if someone could help me. In that case, please
contact me directly (not over DCML).

Thanks in advance and best wishes
Jano


From cbriva at tin.it  Wed Feb 18 00:05:09 2004
From: cbriva at tin.it (Cristina)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 00:05:09 +0100
Subject: Paperinik or Pikappa?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Francesco Spreafico" <frspreaf at tin.it>
To: "DCML" <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: Paperinik or Pikappa?


> Stefan Persson wrote:
>
> >> What is this "Galactic Code" thing Francesco suggests?
> >
> > See http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/I+PK3+++1-1
>
> That doesn't explain much :-)
>
> Ok, let's do this orrible thing and go take a look at this book...
>
> Ok, done (yuck!)... Donald gets picked up by these "Watchers of the
Galaxy"
> (all of them wear the outfit we're used to see Paperink wear since 1969,
> that's so weird) to be Earth's Watcher.
> At the very end of the story, after he's beaten some Evronians (evil
aliens)
> he's asked what his name is... he has no clue about what to say, takes a
> look at his shield and sees a code "PK2370"... so he answers "From now on
> call me... Pikappa". No real meaning at all!
>
> Sprea
>

Mind if I add a couple things to your statement, Francesco? ;)
What italian readers found more disappointing in this new Pk (also known as
the "third series", even thought it has no relation at all with the previous
two series titled respectively "Pkna - Paperinik New Adventures" and "Pk2")
was in fact its brand new protagonist, who is still Donald's alter ego,
but... but not Paperinik, not the Paperinik we used to know. PKNA #0
"Evronians" (first episode of the very first series) showed "our"
Paperinik - born at Villa Rosa, occasionally helped by Gyro Gearloose, etc -
meeting the Evronians and fighting them thanks to the precious aid of an
Artificial Intelligence named One. He shortened his name in "Pikappa" for
pratical use; he got new weaponcry, new friends and new enemies to fight, he
went through an incredible number of more-or-less exciting adventures both
on earth and on others planets...but, nevertheless, he still remained
Paperinik. Period. He might have had a new style, BUT he also had all the
original backstory that made him who he was.This new Pk introduces us
Donald - not Paperinik, just Donald - who has NEVER been a superhero, who
had NEVER lived any of the adventures we've read over the years; a Donald
we're not comfortable with, who's chosen by One as the Guardian of Earth and
takes part to a thousand years-long war among the Guardians of the Galaxy
(some kind of space Army which purpose is to defend all others planets from
any eventual attack) and these aliens, the Evronians, who too have lost all
details and background their folk had in Pkna.
Also, aside from that, others reasons why longtime readers of Pkna & Pk2
dislike Pk is because of the issues new format, with notably shorter and
less interesting stories, and the new characters' lack of personalities &
stable background. Add to all this a couple more mistakes (like Donald who
in the very first issue goes to the Ducklair Tower - where he'll meet One -
by reading a message sent him... by who? When, and how? There's just no
telling) and you've got an idea of the situation out here...

Cristina "Christmas"
http://christmas.altervista.org


From olaf at andebyonline.com  Wed Feb 18 01:14:10 2004
From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 01:14:10 +0100
Subject: Paperinik or Pikappa?
In-Reply-To: <003801c3f5aa$7ea9ab80$9a1dd33e@default>
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Cristina wrote:

> He shortened his name in "Pikappa" for pratical use;

Has it ever been said what it's short for?


--
OW

From spe at inducks.org  Wed Feb 18 01:20:41 2004
From: spe at inducks.org (Stefan Persson)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 01:20:41 +0100
Subject: Paperinik or Pikappa?
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Olaf Solstrand wrote:
> Cristina wrote:
> 
>> He shortened his name in "Pikappa" for pratical use;
> 
> Has it ever been said what it's short for?

Paperinik was shortened to PK, which was unshortened to Pikappa.

Stefan

From olaf at andebyonline.com  Wed Feb 18 01:30:40 2004
From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 01:30:40 +0100
Subject: Paperinik or Pikappa?
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P? Wed, 18 Feb 2004 01:20:41 +0100, skrev Stefan Persson <spe at inducks.org>:

> Paperinik was shortened to PK, which was unshortened to Pikappa.

Yeah... I was just wondering how Paperinik could be "PK".

Or is it shortened in the same way as Denmark becomes DK?

I don't understand where the "K" comes from.

(too many acronyms makes my head go dizzy)


--
OF

From spe at inducks.org  Wed Feb 18 01:38:05 2004
From: spe at inducks.org (Stefan Persson)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 01:38:05 +0100
Subject: Paperinik or Pikappa?
In-Reply-To: <opr3jideci09gznx@mail.andebyonline.com>
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	<opr3jideci09gznx@mail.andebyonline.com>
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Olaf Solstrand wrote:
> Yeah... I was just wondering how Paperinik could be "PK".
> 
> Or is it shortened in the same way as Denmark becomes DK?
> 
> I don't understand where the "K" comes from.

P = first letter, K = last letter.

Stefan

From eega at supereva.it  Wed Feb 18 09:02:16 2004
From: eega at supereva.it (Eta Beta)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:02:16 +0100
Subject: Ellsworth
In-Reply-To: <200402180029.i1I0TPMA012156@numerus.ling.uu.se>
References: <200402180029.i1I0TPMA012156@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <19380112013400.24970@mail.tin.it>

RICH

>What is the Origin of Ellsworth's surname name "Bhezer"?  Or is it
actually a 
>surname?  Did it originate with Bill Walsh in the early comicstrips or
>with the Italians such as Romano Scarpa?

First time I see this name, I don't think it was ever used in Italy.

>Also is it correct that the name "Bruno" was once used by the Italians
>before it was replace by "Gancio"

Don't think so, again never seen it used.

>Ellsworth's son alternately known as "Gancetto" and "Bruto" by Italians?

That's not "alternately known", Bruto is the name, Gancetto is a
nickname, meaning "Little Gancio", i.e. son of Gancio, or Junior
if you want... :-)


Cheers!

Eta Beta

From ramapith at mail.dk  Wed Feb 18 09:04:37 2004
From: ramapith at mail.dk (David Gerstein)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 03:04:37 -0500
Subject: RICH: Ellsworth "Bhezer"
Message-ID: <BC5886C4.1E8A%ramapith@mail.dk>

    Hey Rich,

> What is the Origin of Ellsworth's surname name "Bhezer"

    It should really be spelled Bheezer ... derived from the English slang
word beezer, meaning a big nose. Ellsworth mentions Bheezer as his surname
in a Bill Walsh Sunday strip.
    Bheezer became "Bhezer" thanks to a typo in a modern Italian reference
source.

    David


From Ola.Martinsson at ericsson.com  Wed Feb 18 09:21:47 2004
From: Ola.Martinsson at ericsson.com (Ola Martinsson)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:21:47 +0100
Subject: can any of our Italian friends translate this Barks money stair up
 a mountain story ending ?
In-Reply-To: <200402151101.i1FB1VMA018583@numerus.ling.uu.se>
References: <200402151101.i1FB1VMA018583@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <4033209B.7010703@ericsson.com>

This ending on Barks money stair up a mountain story is at Harry Fluks site

http://dd50.inducks.org/xned1954.html#x1954b_nederlands

As I don't understand neither Dutch nor Italian I don't understand this 
but I assume that the Italian ending is supposed to be Barks original 
ending for this story. Is that correct ?

Can anyone of our Italian friends on this list be kind enough and 
translate what they're saying ?

Also I find it very amusing that first they have two panels by Prego ? 
Is that his name, I can't remember, and then they have cut in two 
different drawings of Taliaferro in the last panel. Looks very drole.

Ola in a semicloudy Stockholm with still some snow on the ground 0 degrees


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From ktpedersen at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 18 09:52:30 2004
From: ktpedersen at yahoo.com (Kristian Pedersen)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 00:52:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Astronomers find huge plot device in space
Message-ID: <20040218085230.34633.qmail@web40103.mail.yahoo.com>


Speaking of plot lines, here's a news story that
literally begs to be used in a Scrooge treasure hunt
story:

http://www.universetoday.com/am/publish/huge_diamond_space.html

Kristian :)

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From paolo at papersera.net  Wed Feb 18 09:57:03 2004
From: paolo at papersera.net (Paolo Castagno)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:57:03 +0100
Subject: can any of our Italian friends translate this Barks money stair
	up a mountain story ending ?
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References: <200402151101.i1FB1VMA018583@numerus.ling.uu.se>
            <4033209B.7010703@ericsson.com>
Message-ID: <20040218085704.22132.qmail@webmaildomini2.aruba.it>

Ola Martinsson wrote: 

> http://dd50.inducks.org/xned1954.html#x1954b_nederlands

> Can anyone of our Italian friends on this list be kind enough and 
> translate what they're saying ?

Sure... more or less, I know it isn't perfect English, but I hope it is 
clear enough: 

panel 1: "So I built a money stair from bottom to the top" 

panel 2: "Have you seen I was right? With my money I
         can do everything I like"
        "Gasp" ...well, no need to translate this, I suppose ;-) 

panel 3: "And I can also do something more! I still have
         an half dollar coin in my pocket..."
        "And so...?"
panel 4: "Take it, I give it to you, so you'll be able
         to buy something strong to drink in order to
         improve your juvenile energies weakened by my victory" 


> This communication is confidential and intended solely for the 
> addressee(s). 

This one, instead, is for everyone who wants to read it! ;-) 

Ciao, 

 - Paolo 

http://www.papersera.net

From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl  Wed Feb 18 10:07:47 2004
From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:07:47 +0100
Subject: can any of our Italian friends translate this Barks money stair
	up a mountain story ending ?
Message-ID: <AEEC81A4DAC9554A88BCEA431A34CC040216B36E@ds04.tnoase.telecom.tno.nl>

> http://dd50.inducks.org/xned1954.html#x1954b_nederlands
> 
> As I don't understand neither Dutch nor Italian I don't 
> understand this

There's also an English version of this page (and of all other pages on that website).
You get there by following the link "English text" on top of the page.
You then get to:

http://dd50.inducks.org/xeng1954.html#x1954_english

where I wrote:
"By the way, in the Italian panels we see exactly happening what Donald was telling in the dream version."

And this is what Paolo (who also gave me that Italian comic) has proven now. 8-)

--Harry.

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h.w.fluks at telecom.tno.nl   --   http://dd50.inducks.org
"Wie ben ik? Wat doe ik hier? Waar is mijn Roddelflop?"


From cord at wiljes.de  Wed Feb 18 13:40:27 2004
From: cord at wiljes.de (Cord Wiljes)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 13:40:27 +0100
Subject: Disney buys the Muppets
Message-ID: <200402181240.i1ICeRl9029275@post.webmailer.de>

http://goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040218/NEWS07/102180310

Cord



From totemboschi at libero.it  Wed Feb 18 13:55:34 2004
From: totemboschi at libero.it (Luca Boschi)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 13:55:34 +0100
Subject: Gancio
Message-ID: <BC59182D.AE34%totemboschi@libero.it>

Hello, David and all!

Eta and Dave just answered to the Ellsworth "Bhezer" issue.

But I can confirm. That name never was used in Italian comics and the minah
bird was baptized Gancio "il dritto" (which means something like "the cool")
from his first translation. The creator of name and nickname is the famous
story man Guido Martina.

> It should really be spelled Bheezer ... derived from the English slang
> word beezer, meaning a big nose. Ellsworth mentions Bheezer as his surname
> in a Bill Walsh Sunday strip.
> Bheezer became "Bhezer" thanks to a typo in a modern Italian reference
> source.


Er... in a modern FRENCH reference, that we italian took as it if were
correct, since we were not allowed to read the original sunday pages (yet),
mostly totally unpublished in our language...

Luca


From timoro at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 18 14:00:34 2004
From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:00:34 +0200
Subject: Egmont's coloring system?
Message-ID: <BAY2-F98OsuaVNyIfR9000708de@hotmail.com>


How Egmont colors their Disney-comics? With Photoshop? How are the black key 
films kept separate from color file and how the black line is kept clean and 
sharp? Is black line art scanned in with very high resolution (600dpi?) in 
bitmap mode and kept separate from rasterized color CMY-plates/file 
(cyan-magenta-yellow)? And then these two separate files would be put 
together with PageMaker or Freehand or Illustrator?
Or does Egmont have some coloring program of their own, made especially for 
comics?

Timo

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From ggk at wp.pl  Wed Feb 18 14:47:46 2004
From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 14:47:46 +0100
Subject: Paperinik
References: 
	<AEEC81A4DAC9554A88BCEA431A34CC040216B36D@ds04.tnoase.telecom.tno.nl>
	<002e01c3f589$214fabe0$208f3351@computer>
Message-ID: <006301c3f625$cadf23b0$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8>



David :

>     "Super Donald" isn't a legitimate English name for the character.
Donald
> is his *secret* identity, and he wouldn't reveal it by making it part of
his
> public superhero name.
>     Other *real* English names for Donald's super identity are PK (which
has
> been used in English, in the computer game) and The Duck Avenger.

I never seen a story in English with dis Charecter but how ever I herd many
varius English name's of dis Charecter (Inclouding "PhantomDuck")

>     It's Super Gilly.

Thank's.

Harry :

> Well, in Dutch his name *is* Superdonald. Besides, in Duckburg and
surroundings, no one would recognise secret identities, even if the people
have quite unique marks like a sailor hat or a name like "Supergoof".

This olwey's bother me theat now body never notice Theat SuperGoof and Goofy
are the one guy evev whail the Only difren't betwen Goofy and SuperGoof only
difrence is dres. SuperGoof is don't wering a mask and face are dissame.
Disame gouse for Papiernik. It's just wird theat people relly don't see
theat they are one.
And In fackt  for some strange resson's wen Donald swich to his alter
ego he stop's beaing clamsy and Un-lucky.


Olivier :

> It's a odd convention that a mere mask or change of  costume makes you
> unrecognizable / unidentifiable: Clark Kent can in no way be Superman, Don
> Diego certainly doesn't sound like Zorro, the Beagle Boys clearly don't
look
> like-- uh, forget that one-- Wonder Woman and Diana Prince have nothing in
> common (it's all in the glasses, like Clark), ...

Dis is a nother think theat bother me. In "Superman" theat as soon Clark
take of Glasses and
evry one thinks his Superman. Are people from Metropolis blaind or somthing?


Yours
Maciek



From ggk at wp.pl  Wed Feb 18 15:08:11 2004
From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:08:11 +0100
Subject: Astronomers find huge plot device in space
References: <20040218085230.34633.qmail@web40103.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00bc01c3f628$a474d230$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8>

Kristian :

> Speaking of plot lines, here's a news story that
> literally begs to be used in a Scrooge treasure hunt
> story:
>
> http://www.universetoday.com/am/publish/huge_diamond_space.html
>

I herd obaut "Star of The World" but dis one is "The Satr of Univers"
:-)))))

Yours
Maciek



From ggk at wp.pl  Wed Feb 18 16:01:35 2004
From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 16:01:35 +0100
Subject: Scrooge V.S. Bill Gates 
References: <20040218085230.34633.qmail@web40103.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <010401c3f630$1aa2b600$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8>

How do you guy's thing  : Whou have more money : 
Scrooge Mcduck o Bill Gates? :-)

Now is is a fain plot for Story :-) 
And I houpe It will not come to "The Balls of String" (agian)....

Yours
Maciek



From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com  Wed Feb 18 16:35:18 2004
From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:35:18 EST
Subject: Exclamation Points In Comic Stories
Message-ID: <c0.58c8283.2d64e036@aol.com>

Hi all!

One thing that's always puzzled me about Disney comics. Why is it that after 
every sentence that isn't a question, there is an exclamation point? Other 
comic books seem to use regular periods when appropriate , etc. It always seems 
like Donald and the gang are shouting at each other or something: "Hi Uncle 
Scrooge! I'm fine! I think I'll go buy an ice cream cone! They're so good!" It 
just seems slightly weird is all. :)

Derek Smith
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From olaf at andebyonline.com  Wed Feb 18 17:23:01 2004
From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 17:23:01 +0100
Subject: Scrooge V.S. Bill Gates 
In-Reply-To: <010401c3f630$1aa2b600$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8>
References: <20040218085230.34633.qmail@web40103.mail.yahoo.com>
	<010401c3f630$1aa2b600$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8>
Message-ID: <opr3kqgnn609gznx@mail.andebyonline.com>

> How do you guy's thing  : Whou have more money : Scrooge Mcduck o Bill 
> Gates? :-)

Aw, cummon, is that even a question? :-)

Every time someone asks that question - who's richest of Scrooge and 
someone in RL - I think of the Barks story where Donald starts wondering if 
Scrooge really IS the richest man on earth, as he's heard of one who's 
really, really rich. They go to his ranch, get a guided tour, Donald is 
really impressed with everything, being sure "there's no way unca' Scrooge 
can beat this"... and in the end Scrooge asks this other man:

"Very interesting, but do you know who _I_ am?"
"No...?"
"I'm the man who lend you the money to build all this."
"SCROOGE!"
"I see you've had a very good harvest, so maybe that means you're ready to 
pay back the first payment?"

From nils at math.uio.no  Wed Feb 18 19:16:41 2004
From: nils at math.uio.no (Nils Lid Hjort)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 19:16:41 +0100
Subject: Mathematics in Duckburg
Message-ID: <E1AtWFV-0003hl-00@europa.uio.no>


>From  
   http://gildet.uio.no/?M=PV&folderid=10 : 
various cultural events arranged by the students
of the Mathematics and Sciences Faculty of the
University of Oslo. They also feature various 
"popular science lectures" [see under "pop.vit." 
at the website mentioned; 
   http://gildet.uio.no/?M=PV&folderid=9 ].
Among these: 

"Mathematics in Duckburg"
with Professor Nils Lid Hjort, 
Department of Mathematics

Friday February 20, 12.15 - 13.00,
Auditorium 1, Vilhelm Bjerknes Building

I will illustrate various mathematical themes as 
illustrated in and related to the literary canon of 
Duckburg. 

The website (and the pamphlet) say that "there is 
room for 250 people at this lecture, but at least
800 will brag afterwards that they have been there".
(Gulp.) 

From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr  Wed Feb 18 19:51:20 2004
From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 19:51:20 +0100
Subject: Exclamation Points In Comic Stories
References: <c0.58c8283.2d64e036@aol.com>
Message-ID: <005101c3f650$330ccf80$d121fdc1@computer>

Derek:


>>>>One thing that's always puzzled me about Disney comics. Why is it that after every sentence that isn't a question, there is
>>>>an exclamation point? Other comic books seem to use regular periods when appropriate , etc. It always seems like Donald
>>>>and the gang are shouting at each other or something: "Hi Uncle Scrooge! I'm fine! I think I'll go buy an ice cream cone!
>>>>They're so good!" It just seems slightly weird is all. :)

The reason is quite simple and practical !
Unfortunately, I can't find the album with the quotation-- but I do remember most of it !
Carl Barks once explained that a point might be mistaken for "something a fly had put there", so an exclamation point was the easier way to avoid mistakes !



Olivier
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From cbriva at tin.it  Wed Feb 18 19:52:28 2004
From: cbriva at tin.it (Cristina)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 19:52:28 +0100
Subject: Paperinik or Pikappa?
References: 
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	<030a01c3f595$1329bae0$0c661e97@versi>
	<003801c3f5aa$7ea9ab80$9a1dd33e@default>
	<opr3jhlwge09gznx@mail.andebyonline.com> <4032AFD9.7010003@inducks.org>
Message-ID: <001701c3f650$62e07680$9eaed33e@default>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stefan Persson" <spe at inducks.org>
To: "Olaf Solstrand" <olaf at andebyonline.com>
Cc: "Cristina" <cbriva at tin.it>; <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 1:20 AM
Subject: Re: Paperinik or Pikappa?


> Olaf Solstrand wrote:
> > Cristina wrote:
> >
> >> He shortened his name in "Pikappa" for pratical use;
> >
> > Has it ever been said what it's short for?
>
> Paperinik was shortened to PK, which was unshortened to Pikappa.
>
> Stefan

Well, almost :)
PK is the spelling of the name, short form of PaperiniK. Pikappa is its
actual italian pronunciation (it'd be Pikey in english). It's also used in
the comics whenever one or more characters "talk" with or about him
("Pikappa, watch out!") - along with his full superhero name, Paperinik. Pk,
on the other hand, is used both as the title of the series and whenever
someone refers to him by "writing" rather than "talking" (i.e his P.B.I card
actually reads "Pk").

Cristina "Christmas"
http://christmas.altervista.org



From g-hasne at online.no  Wed Feb 18 20:30:55 2004
From: g-hasne at online.no (g-hasne)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:30:55 +0100
Subject: The reason for some Barks stories?
Message-ID: <4038E407@epostleser.online.no>

Hello from cold Norway.

I wonder regarding some story ideas Barks had. Maybe Rob Klein or Don Rosa can 
explain a little more about these ideas?

I always found the story about the midget racing cars somewhat hard to grasp. 
Does anyone know anything about midget racing cars in the USA in the 50s and 
why Barks should choose to elaborate upon this idea?

Also, there is a story on mini scooters making a race in the desert. Can 
anyone tell whether this was something that was going on at that time? I would 
think it was, but the idea of mini scooters doing such a race is weird.

Was playing hookey, that is staying away from school, so common that counties 
and towns had their own truant officers, spying around for kids taking the day 
off?

Was a Jalopy race a common occurrence in the USA in the 50s / 60s? What 
exactly did the term mean at that time?

Sincerely,
Geir Hasnes
Trondheim, Norway


From eega at supereva.it  Wed Feb 18 21:01:41 2004
From: eega at supereva.it (Eta Beta)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 21:01:41 +0100
Subject: Exclamation Points In Comic Stories
In-Reply-To: <200402181850.i1IIoRMA004126@numerus.ling.uu.se>
References: <200402181850.i1IIoRMA004126@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <19380112133325.23195@mail.tin.it>

Olivier says (to Derek)

>Carl Barks once explained that a point might be mistaken for "something a
>fly had put there", so an exclamation point was the easier way to avoid
>mistakes !

Correct, but that doesn't explain the whole story...

in the old times the final inked art (and lettering) was transferred
on transparent acetate, which was then checked by a "cleaner" editor
to make sure there were no hairs, dust particles or other blemishes
on it that could spoil the final print, and if there were any the
editor would remove them.

A plain period or full stop could indeed be dangerously similar to
a dust particle and/or unwanted spot, so the rule was that
punctuation should be emphasized with exclamative marks so as not
to be mistaken for "defect".

The most famous anecdote on this matter couls be spotted in the
very first Mickey Mouse daily strip, first panel, where in
unrestored editions we see a chicken in a corner, intentely
gazing at... nothing!

There was originally an interesting pebble, or seed there which
attracted our poultry's attention, but an eager editor had "cleaned"
it off.


Cheers!

Eta Beta

From eega at supereva.it  Wed Feb 18 21:21:23 2004
From: eega at supereva.it (Eta Beta)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 21:21:23 +0100
Subject: More Ellsworth
In-Reply-To: <200402181850.i1IIoRMA004126@numerus.ling.uu.se>
References: <200402181850.i1IIoRMA004126@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <19380112135307.13794@mail.tin.it>

LUCA says

>the minah
>bird was baptized Gancio "il dritto" (which means something like "the cool")
>from his first translation. The creator of name and nickname is the famous
>story man Guido Martina.

Who managed to make a rather nice pun with this name + nickname set
as well.

"gancio" means "hook" in Italian, and "dritto", while meaning
indeed "smart", "sharp", in its literal sense also means "straight",
"linear"

Straight Hook, geddit ? ;-)

And on this theme I would also like to add that Luca Boschi himself,
as writer, relatively recently revamped the Ellsworth character in an
unfortunately short series of very nice "comedy" stories, teaming
again Ellsworth with Goofy but also adding to the picture another
semi-forgotten character from the vault of classics, Goofy's inventor
uncle Wombat of "Tock tock time machine" fame.

The running gag is the absent-minded inventor always politely
addressing Ellsworth as "Mr. Il Dritto", mistaking his nickname
for an actual surname, much to Ellsworth's annoyance :-)


Cheers!

Eta Beta

From mickey at iol.it  Wed Feb 18 22:26:01 2004
From: mickey at iol.it (Mickey)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:26:01 +0100
Subject: Letter from home
Message-ID: <005e01c3f665$d01012f0$f14db650@uno>

Is anyone from Norway so kind to tale the first part of this story (of
course, under a *great* SPOILER SPACE)? Even in private mail... I'm dying to
know something about it! :D

Mickey


From shadz at email.com  Wed Feb 18 21:13:01 2004
From: shadz at email.com (Shad Z.)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 13:13:01 -0700
Subject: Exclamation Points In Comic Stories
Message-ID: <20040218201301.24F4F1535EC@ws3-1.us4.outblaze.com>

From: "Olivier" <mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr>
>
> Derek:
> 
> 
> >>>>One thing that's always puzzled me about Disney comics. Why is it that 
> >>>> after every sentence that isn't a question, there is
> >>>>an exclamation point? Other comic books seem to use regular periods 
> >>>>when appropriate , etc. It always seems like Donald
> >>>>and the gang are shouting at each other or something: "Hi Uncle Scrooge!
> >>>>I'm fine! I think I'll go buy an ice cream cone!
> >>>>They're so good!" It just seems slightly weird is all. :)
> 
> The reason is quite simple and practical !
> Unfortunately, I can't find the album with the quotation-- but I do 
> remember most of it !
> Carl Barks once explained that a point might be mistaken for "something 
> a fly had put there", so an exclamation point was the easier way to 
> avoid mistakes !

Correct!  Given the quality of printing used on comic 
books back when Barks was working, a period could quite
easily get lost!  Exclamation points were used instead!

Nowdays, with better printing, most comic writers feel 
free to use periods!  I don't know why Gemstone still 
uses all-exclamation-points in their comics!

We could ask Don and the other American writers on the 
list:
Do you write your English scripts with 
all-exclamation-points? Or are your periods changed 
to exclamation points by the letterer (by editorial
command)?

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From paolo at papersera.net  Wed Feb 18 23:32:17 2004
From: paolo at papersera.net (Paolo Castagno)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:32:17 +0100
Subject: R: Astronomers find huge plot device in space
In-Reply-To: <20040218085230.34633.qmail@web40103.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ONECLJBFBOBOCKFBBDNFCENLCPAA.paolo@papersera.net>

> Speaking of plot lines, here's a news story that
> literally begs to be used in a Scrooge treasure hunt
> story:
>
> http://www.universetoday.com/am/publish/huge_diamond_space.html

That's something Pezzin and Cavazzano already invented something
like 26 years ago...

http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/I+AT++252-A

or, if you prefer (and can read Italian):

http://www.papersera.net/search/searchcode.php?sr=Y&p_codice=I+AT
++252-A

Ciao,

  - Paolo

http://www.papersera.net     mailto:paolo at papersera.net




From avuono at UDel.Edu  Thu Feb 19 02:45:31 2004
From: avuono at UDel.Edu (Anthony Vuono)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:45:31 -0500
Subject: Reactions to Letter from Home
Message-ID: <000501c3f68a$128fce80$7c42af80@Anthony>

To list:
    I'm dying to know about "Letter from Home" as well. I saw the cover on a
Don Rosa website. I love it, especially Don's drawing of Matilda, who has
her own unique appearance apart from Grandma Duck and Glittering Goldie. I
can't wait to read the U.S. version whenever that will be. If anyone has any
opinions about Don's latest yarn without spoiling it so much, please feel
free to write them here if you want. I'm interested!
Sincerely,
Anthony


From kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net  Thu Feb 19 02:56:14 2004
From: kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net (Matthew Williams)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:56:14 -0500
Subject: Midget Car Racin'
Message-ID: <000301c3f68b$941161c0$5724d044@youroxg2elbf6o>

I honestly don't know a lot about the subject, but when I was a child (in
the early eighties) I attended several midget car races.  My family had a
friend who was a racer.  Before I had read the Barks story, I had always
assumed that this was a Southern USA thing (I'm from North Carolina).  So
many people here obsess over NASCAR racing and cars in general but, of
course, lack the finances to pursue the dream.  Midget Car Racing always
struck me as a way that middle class folks (folks in Donald's tax bracket)
could purse their auto racing dreams.  I suppose cynics could laugh this
setting-the-bar-low sort of dream, and I always took that as part of the
humor in the Barks story; Donald wants this dream so badly, but it's hardly
glamorous, and only small children would place a midget car driver on a
pedestal.

May you all one day be able to participate in such exciting cultural events!

Matt


From oleroc at tdcspace.dk  Thu Feb 19 04:43:59 2004
From: oleroc at tdcspace.dk (Ole R Nielsen)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 04:43:59 +0100
Subject: Rosa stories ?
Message-ID: <001601c3f69b$368ed540$379af33e@OleRoc.opasia.dk>

Mads Jensen wrote:

>Furthermore Blum mentions "Ghast Gow" as the first thing he ever saw by 
>Rosa, but the interview doesn't mention it any further. But according to 
>Blum, the reason why it was rejected was that it was built too much over 
>an old classic (which could only be by Barks, in this contents, I 
>believe ? :-))

As discussed in DCML mails at the time the interview was published,
it is assumed that the story in question is "Cash Flow". It may have
been seen as too close to the most classic of all Scrooge stories,
"Only A Poor Old Man" with the money lake.

This and another reference to a story called "The Square X" (aka
"Return to Plain Awful") suggests that the cause of the confusion
is the the transcriber of the interview tapes (Steffen Kronborg or
possibly Thomas Berger) and not Geoffrey Blum .

Aristotle wrote about the Four Basic Stories...
Steffen Kronborg also happens to be the author of a number of articles
collected in two books, where he convincingly argues that the deeper
theme of Barks's stories is a Man vs. Nature conflict, which always
ends with the defeat of Man (our duck friends).

It is an interesting perspective on the morals taught by our beloved
writer gaining credibility by the knowledge of his own preference to
western lore for entertainment and the strongly eco-aware Junior
Woodchucks stories of his post-retirement age.

So, I wonder: What is it we Barks fans think we have learned from
his stories? Barks himself would of course say that he only wrote
to entertain with funny stories about those zany ducks. But his own
ideas would of course unconsciously flow through the pen and give
that deeper significance to his stories which makes them so special.

I think that one sentiment which resonates with many of us fans
today is that Barks at the apogee of his career was an elderly man,
solidly rootet in values and ideas of the start of the 20th century.
Isolated from the time stream he could with a language already
then quaint and oldfashioned make satire of his present and its
obsession with the promises of the future.

But how strange it is as a modern nostalgic to think of the man we'd
easily describe the most popular comic book artist of the 1950es -
wishing he'd be back in the days when the West was still wild and
tycoons made their fortune prospecting for oil or gold or raising cattle,
instead of licensing the likeness of a rodent to subcontractors.

-- Ole




From donrosa at iglou.com  Thu Feb 19 06:39:00 2004
From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 00:39:00 -0500
Subject: The reason for some Barks stories? 
In-Reply-To: <200212271103.gBRB3E000695@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <NHBBKFHAOLHDBCINGIHFIEKAEJAA.donrosa@iglou.com>

from Geir Hasnes
Subject: The reason for some Barks stories?
 >>>>I wonder regarding some story ideas Barks had. Maybe Rob Klein or Don
Rosa can
explain a little more about these ideas?

All I can try to do is explain what these ideas are or might be based on...

>>>>>I always found the story about the midget racing cars somewhat hard to
grasp.
Does anyone know anything about midget racing cars in the USA in the 50s and
why Barks should choose to elaborate upon this idea?

Car racing is not something that I've ever had an interest in... but I do
know that midget racing cars were a big sport in America in the 1930's-50's.
No, not something kiddies did... big ol' adults racing around in itty bitty
race cars. Not especially safe, but I don't think car racing makes a lotta
sense in general. Don't ask me to explain it -- maybe you can find websites
about it?

>>>>Also, there is a story on mini scooters making a race in the desert. Can
anyone tell whether this was something that was going on at that time? I
would
think it was, but the idea of mini scooters doing such a race is weird.

That one stumps me, but Barks lived in the area where there were deserts,
maybe he saw such races. However, I have a feeling this was based on
cross-country motorcycle racing... but drawing motorcycles and trying to
figure out how a Duck with stubby legs would ride one might have been a bit
too difficult, so Barks turned them into these "mini-scooters" which, no,
I've never seen, racing in deserts or not.

>>>>Was playing hookey, that is staying away from school, so common that
counties
and towns had their own truant officers, spying around for kids taking the
day
off?

Well, this wasn't how it was by the time I was in grade school, 50 years
after Barks. But in Barks' schooldays, playing hooky was quite a sport and,
yeah, they had truant officers who would be sent after such kids or just
roam the likely spots hokey players would congregate. By the time I was in
school, an agent for the school system might be sent around to the home of a
student who did not show up for long periods at a time. I guess. Such a
thing never happened where I went to grade school, in my lil'
maroon blazer and lil' gray/maroon striped tie, at the St. Thomas Aquinas
Preparatory Academy -- to not show up for school was an idea that never
would have entered our heads!
Nowadays, my wife (the teacher) will tell me that an agent is very seldom
sent to look for a truant kid -- even when kids are in school, discipline is
such that they can't be made to stay quiet or not cause a distraction to
everyone else, so teachers are happy when these types of kids don't show up.

>>>>Was a Jalopy race a common occurrence in the USA in the 50s / 60s? What
exactly did the term mean at that time?

Jalopy races -- I guess you mean stock car racing, in other words, good ol'
boys racing junk cars imitating the high-tech racing they call "Formula
One", slowly developed as an affordable imitation of the "real" car racing
for the average guy. This became the "Nascar" racing that has become so
*incredibly* popular here now, such that it's the only type of racing that
we hear about... only when I'm in Europe do I hear much about "Formula One"
racing like I did when I was a kid. The good ol' boys like to think that
these other good ol' boys are racing in cars made from the same sorts of
cars they drive everyday, and they don't seem to notice that these are now
only vaguely reminiscent of the old stock cars... these are millionaires
racing high-tech million dollar machines. But it's things that have a
"common" flavor to them rather than a sense of sophistication that have
become what America worships. Similarly, there was a time when people here
looked up to and desired leaders who seemed smarter than they were rather
than mistrusting anyone who seemed more clever than the average good ol'
boy. Understanding why stock car racing is so popular here will help
Europeans understand why George W. Bush is the President of the United
States.
ABB.


From YMH at aol.com  Thu Feb 19 07:50:06 2004
From: YMH at aol.com (YMH@aol.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 01:50:06 EST
Subject: Gemstone's Coloring
Message-ID: <8.46230722.2d65b69e@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/30/2004 9:19:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, Thomas Pryds 
Lauritsen <thomas at duckburg.dk> writes:
I think that often when whole areas (mostly backgrounds), which might 
even include the Ducks, are coloured in a uniform shade, it is done in 
order not to call too much attention to that part of the drawing, 
probably since something else is happening in that panel that really 
should be the centre of attention. 
Perhaps so, but there are other ways to accomplish this without losing detail 
in the coloring -- depth of field filters, for example, or differences in 
brightness levels.
Oh, I agree that the colouring of the Bone covers is marvellous, and I'd 
very much like to have such colouring applied to Disney covers. But I 
think it might be too much if whole stories were coloured this way. I'm 
afraid it might take away the attention from the story, but perhaps this 
is just because I've always seen Disney comics coloured the "flat" way.
It's possible, but there's no way that we'd know for sure 'til we saw a story 
colored that way. I have a Gladstone issue somewhere with a Barks story about 
Donald being a doctor operating on cash registers... the first page was 
colored in the way I describe (it was a tense scene in a room with directional 
lighting) -- and the coloring both looked gorgeous and added a lot to the scene.
But I see the same thing in Danish issues; shading used primarily for 
backgrounds and large, otherwise uniformly coloured areas in the 
stories, and shading used to a higher degree on covers (but not to the 
extent of the Bone cover example at all).
This is, in my opinion, unfortunate.

Notice that the Bone comic itself is uncoloured, so I think it's a 
little hard to say whether the colouring of the cover would really have 
been too much if applied to the story, too.
I think that the only reason that Bone is uncolored is the expense involved; 
the books are self-published. The first issue was later re-released in a 
colorized version; I'm not sure if the shading was up to the quality of the cover 
or not.

-Yossi
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From timoro at hotmail.com  Thu Feb 19 10:12:34 2004
From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:12:34 +0200
Subject: Exclamation Points In Comic Stories
Message-ID: <BAY2-F119SPim9OciPX0004fa16@hotmail.com>

>From Eta Beta:
>There was originally an interesting pebble, or seed there which
>attracted our poultry's attention, but an eager editor had "cleaned"
>it off.

Editors didn't read their stuff? At least so it seems. That thing would've 
required visual reading to understand what was going on in that picture. 
Well, maybe those editors were just too busy. Hundreds of acetate films 
going through their hands with nearing deadline. A spot is a spot, and it 
should be removed.

Timo

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From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl  Thu Feb 19 10:36:22 2004
From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 10:36:22 +0100
Subject: Ghast Gow
Message-ID: <AEEC81A4DAC9554A88BCEA431A34CC040216B370@ds04.tnoase.telecom.tno.nl>

Mads:

> I just finished reading a Geoffrey Blum in the Danish fanzine "Carl
> Barks & Co." #19
> Blum mentions "Ghast Gow" as the first thing he ever saw by Rosa

Don:

> Are you sure you're translating this correctly?
> "Ghast Gow" seems to not be translated back from whatever
> language that fanzine is written in...

Since "Ghast Gow" is a title, it is not translated from or to anything.
Years ago, we have also been wondering what Blum may have meant (though we think the article says "Cow", not "Gow").
The closest we got was "Cash Flow", your second long Scrooge story. In that case, "Ghast Gow" may have originated in wrong deciphering of handwriting.

Is it possible that Blum saw "Son of the Sun" *and* "Cash Flow", and that he misremembered the name of the *first* story he saw?
Then "Ghast Gow" could be the result of misremembering *and* bad handwriting...


Here are pieces of our conversations back then.

-----------------------------
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 11:32:37 +0200
From: Per Starb{ck

Here are some other things on Rosa from the interview with Geoffrey
Blum in Carl Barks & Co. #19 (translated from the Danish translation):

  "The first two things from Rosa I saw were 'Ghast Cow' and
   'The Money Whirl Pool' or whatever its name was.  Byron rejected
   it, he didn't like it.  He tought it was too much like an older
   story.  Even Byron thought the ending was too sentimental.  Rosa
   also wanted to do a story where Huey, Dewey, and Louie set up to
   look for their real parents, but fortunately Byron rejected that
   one too."

"The Money Whirl Pool" is really "The Money Pit" which Disney accepted
when they asked Rosa for a story, but what on earth is "Ghast Cow"?

-----------------------------
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 92 00:05:31 +0200
From: Per Starb{ck

> Which story could that [Ghast Cow] be?

Dunno.  My only guess is that whoever transcribed that interview got it
wrong.  Could it be "Cash Flow"?  Not very sound-a-like, but it's the
closest thing I can think of.

-----------------------------
Date: 04 Dec 93 00:46:02 EST
From: Don Rosa <72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM>

I see the comments about "Ghast Cow" (???) and "The Money
Whirlpool" (???) were credited to Geoff Blum from an interview. I can
only credit this to misquotes or mistranslations. Geoff saw everything I
was doing, as I was doing it. The first two things of mine he saw were
"The Son of the Sun" and that 10-pager where, at the end, Gladstone
Gander starts Gladstone Comics. "Cash Flow" was about the 6th story I
did, and "The Money Pit" I did a year or so after I had to quit working
for Gladstone -- so I can't make head ner tales outta any of those
alleged quotes. I'd be curious to read that interview, now that you
mention it -- is it printed in English anywhere?

-----------------------------
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 93 21:50:48 MET
From: Ole Reichstein Nielsen

The "Ghast Cow" interview in CB&Co. #19 was done by Steffen Kronborg in
May 1990 and "translated" by Thomas Berger. He also referred to classics
as "The Square X", "Fan of notre duck", "Junior Wood Chuck" and "Lost in
the Andies."
BTW: Geoffrey Blum said: "Most of the time we almost only published
letters praising Don Rosa's stories. If there were negative letters they
were not published. Freedom of speech!" I can't tell from this if there
*were* negative letters, and if so, negative to whom or what?

-----------------------------

And that's about all we currently know...

--Harry.

Harry Fluks  --  TNO Telecom  --  Delft  --   Nederland
h.w.fluks at telecom.tno.nl   --   http://dd50.inducks.org
"Wie ben ik? Wat doe ik hier? Waar is mijn Roddelflop?"


From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl  Thu Feb 19 10:43:25 2004
From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 10:43:25 +0100
Subject: Roddelflop
Message-ID: <AEEC81A4DAC9554A88BCEA431A34CC040216B371@ds04.tnoase.telecom.tno.nl>

I wrote:

> "Wie ben ik? Wat doe ik hier? Waar is mijn Roddelflop?"

and people have been wondering what I mean there. In English, it's
"Who am I? What am I doing here? Where is my Roddelflop?".
Roddelflop is the name of a gossip magazine in Duckburg.
It's a quote from the story "Een geniale weddenschap", an excellent Dutch story by Kirsten de Graaf and Mau Heymans, which I hope Gemstone will be printing soon.

--Harry.

Harry Quickly  --  TNO Telecom  --  Digs  --   The Netherlands
h.w.fluks at telecom.tno.nl    --    http://dd50.inducks.org/xindexeng.html
"Look! A fact that's NOT in our Junior Woodchuck Guidebook and reservoir
of inexhaustible knowledge!"
(Huey in the library of Tralla-la)


From eega at supereva.it  Thu Feb 19 13:53:09 2004
From: eega at supereva.it (Eta Beta)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:53:09 +0100
Subject: Covers Extravaganza Prizeless Contest
In-Reply-To: <200402181850.i1IIoRMA004126@numerus.ling.uu.se>
References: <200402181850.i1IIoRMA004126@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <19380113062453.19836@mail.tin.it>


Dear friends,

It appears we have finally secured a reliable server for our
eega.net websites, and although the transfer is not completely
finished yet, I thought we could celebrate with a little

SPOT THE INTRUDERS CONTEST

Details are to be found at

http://eega.net/covers/cv_usa.html

And entries are to be submitted to the mail address given in
the contacts page

http://eega.net/magic/contacts.html

which is working again after some four months...

Well, that's all, no special rules, the quickest to spot
one (or more) intruders get a "honourable mention", and
the "fake" covers will be revealed as they are discovered
directly on the site.

Have fun :-)


Cheers!

Eta Beta

From xephyr at cwnet.com  Thu Feb 19 15:19:27 2004
From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 06:19:27 -0800
Subject: Ellsworth Bhe(e)zer
Message-ID: <E1Atp1T-0006pj-00@sac-cwmail03.cwnet.com>

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From MNaiman at menas.com  Thu Feb 19 18:51:42 2004
From: MNaiman at menas.com (Michael Naiman)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 09:51:42 -0800
Subject: Guardians of the Lost Library
Message-ID: <371803820EAD4E44A85A2C19F50770E1500A8A@server.menas.com>

I would like to obtain two of the latest PICSOU issues
featuring GUARDIANS OF THE LOST LIBRARY....

Will trade US published Disney comics

Thanks

Michael

From madame82 at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 20 02:56:39 2004
From: madame82 at hotmail.com (Madame Jennifer Inantaz)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:56:39 -0600
Subject: *smiles all over* A Letter from Home.
Message-ID: <BAY10-F1111qs0AY0ZM0000440c@hotmail.com>

:-p    :-p    :-)    ;-)   :-(    :-)   :-D     :-x    :-)

I'm very envious at the Norwegians at the moment, they finally get to read 
"A Letter from Home"! Very, very envious! Especially with the knowledge that 
the earlier related story won't be published here in the United States until 
an undisclosed time...  >_<

To Mr.Rosa:
But I must say thanks to you Mr.Rosa. I just saw your cover for "A Letter 
from Home" today. That coupled with a fan drawing of 'David the Gnome' I saw 
has beat my depression down to where it belongs! :-)

http://duckman.pettho.com/sc_cover/v_dd200409.html  - cover link

Oh, and your little funny didn't get past me...I see the hidden '@'. :-)
And Matilda McDuck looks miffed. Is it because she knows her brother is a 
greedy money grubber (a redundant description)? She looks cool, like she has 
a stronger inner spirit than before.
Thanks.

Ok, I've gone on long enough.

~*OchaGirl*~
Who will shave everything but her banks if the cover never makes it to print 
here in America. And that's a quasi-promise! v_v

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From sverre at pdq.net  Fri Feb 20 06:22:49 2004
From: sverre at pdq.net (Sverre Amundsen)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 23:22:49 -0600
Subject: Uncle Scrooge #326 available yet?
Message-ID: <opr3nk8bnq32awl9@mail.pdq.net>

Has anybody received Uncle Scrooge #326 yet? I received WDC&S #641 last 
week, but so far no sign of Uncle Scrooge. In the past I have always 
received both within a couple of days of each other (I subscribe from 
Gemstone).

Sverre



From bi442 at lafn.org  Fri Feb 20 08:49:16 2004
From: bi442 at lafn.org (Rob Klein)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 07:49:16 GMT
Subject: Truant Officers/Jalopy-Midget Racers
Message-ID: <200402200749.i1K7nFwg045739@zoot.lafn.org>

Hi Geir. Although Barks used his immagination a slight bit in depicting a mini-
scooter race in the Western US desert, people certainly took their motorcycles 
out to the deserts, and had races there, during the 1950s and 1960s. They also 
raced jalopies and "midget cars", as clubs, and even professional races at race 
tracks.  Jalopy races were also very, very popular. 
Yes, student truancy was a large problem, and city and countwide school 
districts did, indeed, have truant officers hunting down the offending 
students. Lots of "bad", "tough" boys did stay away from schools when they had 
the chance, and truant officers did hunt them down, and return them to 
schools.  These were mostly the "incorrigible" boys, many of whom later became 
crfirst sent to "reform schools" (schools for bad boys). Many of THEM later 
ended up commiting serious crimes, and staying in prisons.

If I remember correctly, we even had truant officers in Canada, when I was a 
youngster. Barks' depiction, is slightly romanticised, but reasonably accurate 
for the 1900-1950 period.  Of course, I and my friends didn't partake in such 
antisocial behavior, but I did know some miscreants who "ditched school" (were 
truant), and were caught by truant officers. Also I knew of others who were 
sent to reform school for gang activities and adult crimes (and it was said, 
even murder (although never proven)).

I'm sure that they didn't have a truant officer in Barks' rural valley when he 
attended his one-room schoolhouse with 8-10 students.  The County's police 
force would have performed that service.  But, I'm sure when kids in Barks 
school missed a day, and their parents were contacted (and it was learned that 
the student had not been ill, his father would have paddled the young man's 
hind end, hard with his hand, or beat him with a switch.  However, when his 
family moved to Santa Clara, California when he was a teenager, he probably 
would have learned what a truant officer was.

Rob Klein


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From ggk at wp.pl  Fri Feb 20 11:39:50 2004
From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 11:39:50 +0100
Subject: Reactions to Letter from Home
References: <000501c3f68a$128fce80$7c42af80@Anthony>
Message-ID: <006b01c3f79d$dea0eb80$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8>

>     I'm dying to know about "Letter from Home" as well. I saw the cover on
a
> Don Rosa website. I love it, especially Don's drawing of Matilda, who has
> her own unique appearance apart from Grandma Duck and Glittering Goldie. I
> can't wait to read the U.S. version whenever that will be. If anyone has
any
> opinions about Don's latest yarn without spoiling it so much, please feel
> free to write them here if you want. I'm interested!

I saw theat cover and now I'm very exaited I just must see dis story. It's
relly look spooky (the cover). Matilda  face change much and is not just
bicous she is much more older she just look difrent. I relly have great
expetatcion obaut it and the ony thing's I hope is theat Matilda character
and personality didn't chach at all (I relly like here the way she was  in
"The Sharpie of the Culebra Cut") amd theat she will foget Scrooge all what
he did in "The Empire Builder from Calisota" and they will be fainly a happy
family once agian. I don't expect more bicouse I now Don Rosa will make a
perfect story (agian).

Yours
Maciek



From 9729 at lyskom.lysator.liu.se  Fri Feb 20 14:20:01 2004
From: 9729 at lyskom.lysator.liu.se (Magnus Bark (Farbror Skojskoj, en av de tjocka farbröderna) @ DCML (-) Disney Comics Mailing List (import & export))
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 14:20:01 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Reactions to Letter from Home
In-Reply-To: <000501c3f68a$128fce80$7c42af80@Anthony>
Message-ID: <11394866..Exportoeren.1077283201-69503462@kom.lysator.liu.se>

Hi and quack,

this is a slightly edited and roughly translated version of a mail I
sent to the Swedish Donaldist mailing list a few hours ago:

So, there it was at last - "The letter from home or the old castles
new secret". Part 1 of 3, at least. While reading, a lot of emotions
came running through my head. May I share them here?

* A prologue that runs for three pages! Have any of the duck-comics
  had a prologue earlier? OK, there was an introduction to the first
  Kalevala episode. But this makes me feel like the duck comics rises
  itself to a higher level of literature, in some way.
  
* The style of Don Rosa keeps on developing! The characteristic,
  strong inking that, in some cases have made the comic a little too
  ponderous seems to have gone a little lighter. Although the settings
  really invites to lots of shadows and inking, the balance is just
  perfect.
  
* And the story! The atmosphere is there, right in the first panel and
  it accelerates throughout the story. I feel in my bones that this is
  going to be one of the best duck comics that I ever read. Yes, I
  have not yet read half of the story, and it is already in the same
  regions of my ranking as "Lost in the Andes" and "Vacation Times".
  
* On the whole, this comic got a very mature feeling, dealing with
  elations, family ties, feelings of loss and attitude of life as with
  adventures.
  
* In the prologue, I observed human beings along with the usual "dog
  noses". Interesting.
  
* A Don Rosa cover on the weekly Kale Anka & Co! We (the Swedish
  readers) aren't spoiled with that. :)
  
* Someone who have found the D.U.C.K.-dedication yet? I haven't.

* The editors at Egmont have yet again made a big goof. The story is
  credited to "Story: Jens Hanseg?rd Artwork: Massaroli". On the other
  hand, the cover says "New comic by Don Rosa", so there shouldn't be
  any confusion anyway.
  
yours,

 / Magnus Bark (Farbror Skojskoj, en av de tjocka farbr?derna)

Previous text:
>2004-02-20 10:03:
>Subject: Reactions to Letter from Home
>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>To list:
>    I'm dying to know about "Letter from Home" as well. I saw the cover on a
>Don Rosa website. I love it, especially Don's drawing of Matilda, who has
>her own unique appearance apart from Grandma Duck and Glittering Goldie. I
>can't wait to read the U.S. version whenever that will be. If anyone has any
>opinions about Don's latest yarn without spoiling it so much, please feel
>free to write them here if you want. I'm interested!
>Sincerely,
>Anthony
>
>_______________________________________________
>http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml
>
>
> / Brevb?raren
>


From spe at inducks.org  Fri Feb 20 14:32:15 2004
From: spe at inducks.org (Stefan Persson)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 14:32:15 +0100
Subject: Reactions to Letter from Home
In-Reply-To: <11394866..Exportoeren.1077283201-69503462@kom.lysator.liu.se>
References: <11394866..Exportoeren.1077283201-69503462@kom.lysator.liu.se>
Message-ID: <40360C5F.2070604@inducks.org>

Magnus Bark (Farbror Skojskoj, en av de tjocka farbr?derna) @ DCML (-) 
Disney Comics Mailing List (import & export) wrote:
> * The editors at Egmont have yet again made a big goof. The story is
>   credited to "Story: Jens Hanseg?rd Artwork: Massaroli". On the other
>   hand, the cover says "New comic by Don Rosa", so there shouldn't be
>   any confusion anyway.

Well, some readers might not know *which* story is by Rosa.  I hope the 
next part will have proper credits listed.

Stefan


From mickey at iol.it  Fri Feb 20 14:53:19 2004
From: mickey at iol.it (Mickey)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 14:53:19 +0100
Subject: Reactions to Letter from Home
References: <11394866..Exportoeren.1077283201-69503462@kom.lysator.liu.se>
Message-ID: <002801c3f7b8$e5d5e7f0$904db650@uno>

Magnus, thanks for sharing your reactions....

>this comic got a very mature feeling, dealing with relations, family ties,
feelings of loss

This is what I'm longing to know more about....T_T

Mickey


From bangfish at comcast.net  Fri Feb 20 15:01:02 2004
From: bangfish at comcast.net (Gary Leach)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 09:01:02 -0500
Subject: Strippers
In-Reply-To: <200402200911.i1K9BZts007783@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <38000DE0-63AD-11D8-900D-000393C28E48@comcast.net>

Timo:

>> From Eta Beta:
>> There was originally an interesting pebble, or seed there which
>> attracted our poultry's attention, but an eager editor had "cleaned"
>> it off.
>
> Editors didn't read their stuff? At least so it seems. That thing 
> would've required visual reading to understand what was going on in 
> that picture. Well, maybe those editors were just too busy. Hundreds 
> of acetate films going through their hands with nearing deadline. A 
> spot is a spot, and it should be removed.

These weren't editors that handled the acetates - or rather, 
lithographic films - but strippers. These were craftsmen who set the 
films up in impositions to burn printing plates, and one of their many 
duties was to check the films for blemishes. Such film checks were 
never, ever performed by editors - this was part of the print 
production stream, a wholly separate area from the editorial. By the 
time the editors saw the results of the strippers' work it was in the 
finished printed product, and in the realm of comics - done fast and 
dirt cheap - there was no going back to press for anything other than 
the most catastrophic reasons.

That periods were not used because strippers might mistake them for 
blemishes is, in fact, not the reason for the use of the exclamation 
point. Strippers were not idiots - they knew perfectly well what 
periods were. The reason periods were not used in the early days of 
comics was that the metal printing plates - we're talking dirt cheap 
production here - were the lowest grade possible, and the tiny plinths 
of etched raised metal that produced periods just had a tendency to 
snap off before or during print runs. Exclamation points produced 
stronger plinths, so these were utilized instead, and became common 
practice.

In truth, the exclamation point could have been retired by the early 
1970s, when even the old letterpresses of Spartan Printing were 
converted to using plastic plates. But the exclamation point had simply 
become part of the established "look" of American comic book lettering, 
and it took quite a long time to even begin thinking of utilizing the 
period.

For Gemstone, of course, there is the fact that every Barks story uses 
exclamation points. We certainly won't be going in and changing them to 
periods. So the "exclamation point" look will persist for a while yet.

Gary


From donrosa at iglou.com  Fri Feb 20 15:21:00 2004
From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 09:21:00 -0500
Subject: DCML Issue 29
In-Reply-To: <200402200911.i1K9Bktt007801@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <NHBBKFHAOLHDBCINGIHFGEPKEJAA.donrosa@iglou.com>

> From: "Anthony Vuono" <avuono at UDel.Edu>
> Subject: Reactions to Letter from Home
>>>>If anyone has any
> opinions about Don's latest yarn without spoiling it so much, please feel
> free to write them here if you want. I'm interested!

My opinion is that it's a very interesting and very mellowdramatic and very
dull and very unfunny story.

From: "KUR" <ggk at wp.pl>
Subject: Re: Reactions to Letter from Home
>>>>I saw theat cover and now I'm very exaited I just must see dis story.
It's
relly look spooky (the cover). Matilda  face change much and is not just
bicous she is much more older she just look difrent. I relly have great
expetatcion obaut it and the ony thing's I hope is theat Matilda character
and personality didn't chach at all (I relly like here the way she was  in
"The Sharpie of the Culebra Cut")

("chach" = "change"?) Sorry to disappoint you -- I originally planned to
have both Matilda *and Hortense* in the story, Hortense being the bitter and
cranky personality with Matilda being the sentimental and gentle
personality. But I was told that I could not use Hortense. So I had to give
Matilda Hortense's bitter personality in most of the story since that's the
personality that made the sparks fly and the story progress.
Also, apparently you should not look for a story titled "A Letter from
Home". The publishers seem to have felt that was a dull title, and gave the
story a title like "The Search for the Knights Templar Treasure"... which
seems dull and too blunt to my ears... but then I wasn't crazy about the
title "A Letter from Home" either.

Other recent matters:
Someone seems to be mixing jalopy racing with midget racecar racing as
affordable ways for the "common man" to get into car racing. Jalopy and
stock cars are that. Midget racecars were quite professional -- they were
simply reduced scale versions of the full scale "Formula One" race cars...
they needed to be built from scratch just like the big versions. There
apparently was just some sort of thrill in seeing these tiny (dangerous)
cars zipping around a track. Perhaps it was also a way to fit a racetrack
inside a big city where more tickets could be sold? Anyway, it died out (or
was banned for all I know) sometime in the 40's or 50's.

Exclamation points: I don't only use exclamation points when a character is
***SCREAMING!***. Since there's nothing in between a period and an e.p.,
I'll often use an e.p. if the character is simply being emphatic or dramatic
or if I want there to be anything in his voice other than a deadpan reading.
But much of my humor depends on deadpan, so I only use an e.p. when it's
needed. I end many of the sentences in my scripts with simple periods. But I
have no control or influence on how my script is typed up, translated or
typeset. There are 3 or 4 more people who have the ability to change my
intentions before the punctuation reaches print.

Blum: Reading the quotes of his interviews, where he refers to Gladstone's
editorial decisions as "we" did this or "we" did that, tends to give people
the impression that he was in the Gladstone offices, privy to these
editorial decisions as they took place. Blum was the writer of the text
pieces, a "paid correspondent" who was situated in San Francisco, hundreds
of miles from the Gladstone offices. The information in that interview is
surely worthwhile, but it is not firsthand information as it seems to imply.
Another example in the last ML -- he (reportedly) says that I suggested a
story to Gladstone where HD&L go in search of their parents, but the editors
rejected it. The truth is that Bruce Hamilton and Byron Erickson called me
together (I recall it was a conference call, first I'd ever gotten) and
suggested the idea TO ME in 1988 for HD&L's 50th anniversary. I described
how there could be no happy ending for the story, and we mutually put the
idea off until some later date. As with the other things regarding my
stories that Blum refers to, he was never part of any of the discussion or
decisions and either later received warped info or created his own versions
of what was happening in far-away Prescott. I am not for a nanosecond
disparaging his great prowess as a Barks expert of the first rank... but
when it comes to a discussion of the background of the creation of my
stories, he doesn't know what he's talking about.


From mickey at iol.it  Fri Feb 20 15:37:48 2004
From: mickey at iol.it (Mickey)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 15:37:48 +0100
Subject: Hortense
References: <NHBBKFHAOLHDBCINGIHFGEPKEJAA.donrosa@iglou.com>
Message-ID: <004f01c3f7bf$1cbdf090$904db650@uno>

Rosa:

>I originally planned to have both Matilda *and Hortense* in the story,
[cut] But I was told that I could not use Hortense.

Sorry if I'm fussy, but how could it have been so?
Excluding the real appearances, I remember two *references* about Hortense.
in the "Sharpie of Culebra Cut" and "The Dream of a Lifetime". In both,
Donald shows (or better, you made Donald show) a quite good, nearly
nostalgic attitude towards his mother... attitude that is understandable
only if she's dead for a long time, not if she lives in another place,
without contacts with her family. In this case, Donald would have got vexed
in summoning the idea/memory of his mother.
Am I crazy?

Mickey


From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com  Fri Feb 20 20:11:52 2004
From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 14:11:52 EST
Subject: Strippers
Message-ID: <f8.36e7dadb.2d67b5f8@aol.com>

Gary posted:

For Gemstone, of course, there is the fact that every Barks story uses 
exclamation points. We certainly won't be going in and changing them to 
periods. So the "exclamation point" look will persist for a while yet.
----------------------------------------------

What about more modern stories, the various stories Gemstone's been printing 
that were made in the 90's and later? Are those stories' scripts sent to you 
with exclamation points everywhere or do you add those in when you're preparing 
things for publication? If they're sent to you that way, I can see leaving  
the exclamation points in, since removing them would just mean more work and 
time(which at times, you probably have little of).

And thanks for explaining why using exclamation points so much came about in 
the first place.

Derek Smith
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From ggk at wp.pl  Sat Feb 21 12:27:58 2004
From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 12:27:58 +0100
Subject: DCML Issue 29
References: <NHBBKFHAOLHDBCINGIHFGEPKEJAA.donrosa@iglou.com>
Message-ID: <002901c3f86d$c2378cd0$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8>

> My opinion is that it's a very interesting and very mellowdramatic and
very
> dull and very unfunny story.

After all thous funy story's one unfunny will be a interesting change.

> ("chach" = "change"?)

Yes. Sorry for error.

> Sorry to disappoint you -- I originally planned to
> have both Matilda *and Hortense* in the story, Hortense being the bitter
and
> cranky personality with Matilda being the sentimental and gentle
> personality. But I was told that I could not use Hortense. So I had to
give
> Matilda Hortense's bitter personality in most of the story since that's
the
> personality that made the sparks fly and the story progress.

NOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! WHY? WHY? :-)

But seriesly maby Cranky Matilda won't be sow bad... I think the best thing
to do rith now is whait to see dis story and thene I geve then my personal
opinion did she change for better...

> Also, apparently you should not look for a story titled "A Letter from
> Home". The publishers seem to have felt that was a dull title, and gave
the
> story a title like "The Search for the Knights Templar Treasure"... which
> seems dull and too blunt to my ears... but then I wasn't crazy about the
> title "A Letter from Home" either.

What they didn't like in "Letter from home" or "The old castle other secret"
? :-(

Yours
Maciek



From JoseTally at comcast.net  Sat Feb 21 14:42:44 2004
From: JoseTally at comcast.net (Jose Gonzalez-Gigato)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 08:42:44 -0500
Subject: FW: Uncle Scrooge #326 available yet?
Message-ID: <LOBBKGECJLCFDBGMEMCLEEILCJAA.JoseTally@comcast.net>

I got my US#326 about a week ago (FLorida, USA).
If you are concerned about your subscription, write to Gemstone.  I did ti
once and they responded very quickly and politely.  I'm not impatient
anymore; I know the issues will get to my little corner of the world
eventually!
<Jose>


-----Original Message-----
From: Sverre Amundsen [mailto:sverre at pdq.net]
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 12:23 AM
To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
Subject: Uncle Scrooge #326 available yet?


Has anybody received Uncle Scrooge #326 yet? I received WDC&S #641 last
week, but so far no sign of Uncle Scrooge. In the past I have always
received both within a couple of days of each other (I subscribe from
Gemstone).

Sverre




From jano.rohleder at gmx.de  Sat Feb 21 14:53:36 2004
From: jano.rohleder at gmx.de (Jano Rohleder)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 14:53:36 +0100
Subject: Reactions to Letter from Home
Message-ID: <000701c3f882$1aede0e0$0201a8c0@jano>

>* Someone who have found the D.U.C.K.-dedication yet? I haven't.

For those who don't want to search for it anymore, it's here ;-):
http://www.dagobert-online.de/duckmania/off-topic/forum/letterspoiler.jpg

(Page 4 of the story)

Best wishes
Jano


From bangfish at comcast.net  Sat Feb 21 16:15:49 2004
From: bangfish at comcast.net (Gary Leach)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 10:15:49 -0500
Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 12, Issue 31
In-Reply-To: <200402211100.i1LB0Qts015087@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <D4F92C8E-6480-11D8-A67C-000393C28E48@comcast.net>

Don:

> Blum: Reading the quotes of his interviews, where he refers to 
> Gladstone's
> editorial decisions as "we" did this or "we" did that, tends to give 
> people
> the impression that he was in the Gladstone offices, privy to these
> editorial decisions as they took place.

Just so this is as clear as possible, Geoff Blum was on salary, and not 
a freelancer. In that sense he is perhaps entitled to use the empirical 
"we" when discussing Gladstone editorial decisions. It remains true, 
though, that he toiled far from the Gladstone offices, and had no 
direct input into Gladstone decisions.

on any occasion other than during the production of Mickey Mouse In 
Color.


From bangfish at comcast.net  Sat Feb 21 16:19:22 2004
From: bangfish at comcast.net (Gary Leach)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 10:19:22 -0500
Subject: !
In-Reply-To: <200402211100.i1LB0Qts015087@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <5371F83F-6481-11D8-A67C-000393C28E48@comcast.net>

Derek:

> What about more modern stories, the various stories Gemstone's been 
> printing
> that were made in the 90's and later?

We prefer consistency (even if at times it's a bit of struggle to 
manage it). If some stories are "all exclamation points all the time" 
and some aren't, that just creates additional confusion. It's far 
easier to add in exclamation points than to remove them, even in modern 
stories.

Gary


From bangfish at comcast.net  Sat Feb 21 16:31:39 2004
From: bangfish at comcast.net (Gary Leach)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 10:31:39 -0500
Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 12, Issue 31
In-Reply-To: <200402211100.i1LB0Qts015087@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <0B05584B-6483-11D8-A67C-000393C28E48@comcast.net>

I mistakenly did not complete the following post - I didn't even think 
I'd posted it in the first place - but I find I have, so I should 
provide the finished version:

Don:

> Blum: Reading the quotes of his interviews, where he refers to 
> Gladstone's
> editorial decisions as "we" did this or "we" did that, tends to give 
> people
> the impression that he was in the Gladstone offices, privy to these
> editorial decisions as they took place.

Just so this is as clear as possible, Geoff Blum was on salary, and not 
a freelancer. In that sense he is perhaps entitled to use the empirical 
"we" when discussing Gladstone editorial decisions. It remains true, 
though, that he toiled far from the Gladstone offices, and did not 
directly participate in those decisions.

My one recollection of Geoff being on-site was during the production of 
Mickey Mouse In Color. It was a monumental undertaking, years in the 
planning and, suddenly, bare weeks from deadline, so it was all hands 
on deck for that one.

Gary






From lgiver at pacbell.net  Sun Feb 22 04:13:08 2004
From: lgiver at pacbell.net (Larry Giver)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 19:13:08 -0800
Subject: Gemstone Donald Duck #313 cover
Message-ID: <6.0.0.14.1.20040221185753.01d42850@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>

Sverre Amundsen inquired about Gemstone #326, the February issue.  I've had 
a copy
for about 3 weeks now, but I don't subscribe; I purchased from local comic 
shops.  So
far the only March issue I've bought is Donald Duck #313.  I thought it 
would be
appropriate to feature Donald's car and license number 313 on the 
cover!  And indeed,
Donald's car is on the cover drawn by Branca.  Unfortunately, the license 
plate is
half-obscured by Huey's helmet, so only the final "3" of 313 can be 
seen.  It seems sad
to miss a nice detail like this by such a small margin!


From donrosa at iglou.com  Sun Feb 22 14:22:10 2004
From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 08:22:10 -0500
Subject: DCML Digest Issue 32
In-Reply-To: <200402221101.i1MB1Rtt009086@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <NHBBKFHAOLHDBCINGIHFIEFFEKAA.donrosa@iglou.com>

> From: "Jano Rohleder" <jano.rohleder at gmx.de>
> Subject: Re: Reactions to Letter from Home
> >* Someone who have found the D.U.C.K.-dedication yet? I haven't.
> For those who don't want to search for it anymore, it's here ;-):
> http://www.dagobert-online.de/duckmania/off-topic/forum/letterspoiler.jpg

But was the original questioner asking about the dedication on the cover?
If so, don't look for the dedication there -- it's missing. They "zoomed in"
on my cover art, cropping off a great deal on all sides. There were a number
of tombstones on the right, and the dedication was in an inscribed tombstone
in the lower right. You can only see a tiny tip of the stone now.
So... I need to be sure to always put the dedication on the inner areas of
covers.


From olaf at andebyonline.com  Sun Feb 22 18:03:05 2004
From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 18:03:05 +0100
Subject: Some scan requests...
Message-ID: <opr3r6zfly09gznx@mail.andebyonline.com>

Hey,

I was wondering if anyone could help me get a hold of a few scans of things 
and persons occuring in my current story for me to give to the artist. 
(unfortunately I don't have a scanner myself)


1. I have a scene from Scrooge's trophy room. In it, I want to show a 
collection of Scrooge's most precious valuables.

So, I would really love scans of
 - The red-striped ruby from "The Status Seeker" US 41
 - The ostrich-egg-sized gold nugget Scrooge found in Klondike
 - The 1916 quarter from "Secret of Atlantis" US 5
 - The golden fleecing from "The Golden Fleecing" US 12
 - Some black pearls from "The black pearls of Tabu Yama" CID 1
 - The Magic Hourglass from "The Magic Hourglass" OS 291
 - The earthquake trophy from "Land Beneath the Ground!" US 13
 - The big string ball... uhm, what's left of it after "The Second-richest 
Duck" US 15
 - Amundsen's talisman from "Amundsen's talisman" DD 279 / Topolino 135

If anyone has the urge to scan a great treasure you feel I've forgot, 
please do!



2. The villains of the story are Azure Blue and lawyor Sharky. In case this 
is sent to an artist who's never seen them and doesn't have them in his 
collection... Can someone please scan them for me?



3. Now it's getting a little more difficult. I wonder: Can anyone get me 
some photos or drawings of British and French Navy Admiral uniforms?



As always, I'll repay you with eternal gratitude.



-- 
Olaf Solstrand

From marmelmm at vrx.net  Sun Feb 22 18:32:36 2004
From: marmelmm at vrx.net (M. Mitchell Marmel)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:32:36 -0600
Subject: Some scan requests...
In-Reply-To: <opr3r6zfly09gznx@mail.andebyonline.com>
References: <opr3r6zfly09gznx@mail.andebyonline.com>
Message-ID: <v0421011cbc5e97f5ed31@[208.180.105.205]>

At 6:03 PM +0100 2/22/04, Olaf Solstrand wrote:

>3. Now it's getting a little more difficult. I wonder: Can anyone get me some photos or drawings of British and French Navy Admiral uniforms?

What era would you like?  Colonial, 19th century, WWI, WWII, modern?

-MMM-

From olaf at andebyonline.com  Sun Feb 22 19:48:42 2004
From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 19:48:42 +0100
Subject: Some scan requests...
In-Reply-To: <v0421011cbc5e97f5ed31@[208.180.105.205]>
References: <opr3r6zfly09gznx@mail.andebyonline.com>
	<v0421011cbc5e97f5ed31@[208.180.105.205]>
Message-ID: <opr3sbvgjg09gznx@mail.andebyonline.com>

P? Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:32:36 -0600, skrev M. Mitchell Marmel 
<marmelmm at vrx.net>:

> At 6:03 PM +0100 2/22/04, Olaf Solstrand wrote:
>
>> 3. Now it's getting a little more difficult. I wonder: Can anyone get me 
>> some photos or drawings of British and French Navy Admiral uniforms?
>
> What era would you like?  Colonial, 19th century, WWI, WWII, modern?
>
> -MMM-



Well, they will appear in the present and not in flashbacks. So... modern. 
Or... 1950es uniforms would do, as they're appearing along with a Brutopian 
admiral - wearing a 1950es uniform. So perhaps it would look best if they 
all had 1950es uniforms...




-- 
Olaf Solstrand

From kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net  Sun Feb 22 20:15:25 2004
From: kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net (Matthew Williams)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:15:25 -0500
Subject: More Midget Car Talk
Message-ID: <000301c3f978$3ffa0ed0$3a24d044@youroxg2elbf6o>

On Friday, February 20, Don Rosa wrote.

>Someone seems to be mixing jalopy racing with midget racecar racing as
affordable ways for the "common man" to get into >car racing. Jalopy and
stock cars are that. Midget racecars were quite professional -- they were
simply reduced scale >versions of the full scale "Formula One" race
cars...they needed to be built from scratch just like the big versions.
There >apparently was just some sort of thrill in seeing these tiny
(dangerous)cars zipping around a track. Perhaps it was also a way >to fit a
racetrack inside a big city where more tickets could be sold? Anyway, it
died out (or was banned for all I know) >sometime in the 40's or 50's.

Mr. Rosa,

I bow to your knowledge and experience in most matters, but I assure you
that I at least know what midget cars look like (I read the Barks story
too!).  As I said in my first posting, I do not claim to know much about the
midget car racing scene.  Still, I am quite sure that I attended a midget
car race in North Carolina during the early eighties.  It was not a jalopy,
stockcar, go-kart, or a "funny" car race; while I am not a racing fan, I
feel I know the difference.  The racer I knew delivered Coca-Cola to grocery
stores for a living, so I know at least in the early eighties in North
Carolina, middle class racing fans could participate in midget car races.

Furthermore, from some minor internet research, I have learned that midget
car racing is still an activity enjoyed by some Americans.  Most current
midget car tracks seem to be located in Indiana.  The websites I looked at
spoke of a "resurgence in popularity" (wishful thinking?).  Appearance wise,
midget cars have evolved considerably from the racers depicted in Barks'
story; pictures are widely available through internet searches.

Matt


From marmelmm at vrx.net  Sun Feb 22 21:31:18 2004
From: marmelmm at vrx.net (M. Mitchell Marmel)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:31:18 -0600
Subject: Some scan requests...
In-Reply-To: <opr3sbvgjg09gznx@mail.andebyonline.com>
References: <opr3r6zfly09gznx@mail.andebyonline.com>
 <v0421011cbc5e97f5ed31@[208.180.105.205]>
 <opr3sbvgjg09gznx@mail.andebyonline.com>
Message-ID: <v04210126bc5ebb7c48da@[208.180.105.205]>

At 7:48 PM +0100 2/22/04, Olaf Solstrand wrote:

>Well, they will appear in the present and not in flashbacks. So... modern. Or... 1950es uniforms would do, as they're appearing along with a Brutopian admiral - wearing a 1950es uniform. So perhaps it would look best if they all had 1950es uniforms...

OK, here's what I've dug up so far:

British uniforms:

http://www.geocities.com/dutcheastindies/British_Uniforms.html

http://www.messdress-britishmilitaria.com/british/br_uniforms.html

http://www.coldstreamhouse.com/bu.html

French uniforms:

http://www.defense.gouv.fr/marine/present/hautcomm/images/cemm.jpg

http://www.defense.gouv.fr/marine/embarque/panorama/unif.htm

http://www.defense.gouv.fr/marine/embarque/panorama/uniform/b_deux.htm

This should give you a starting point, at any rate.

Good luck!

-MMM-

From marmelmm at vrx.net  Sun Feb 22 21:37:57 2004
From: marmelmm at vrx.net (M. Mitchell Marmel)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:37:57 -0600
Subject: French rank insignia
Message-ID: <v04210127bc5ec3832c3d@[208.180.105.205]>

This might also help:

http://www.defense.gouv.fr/marine/embarque/panorama/grades.htm

-MMM-

From tom.kirkerud at fnh.no  Mon Feb 23 01:01:17 2004
From: tom.kirkerud at fnh.no (tom.kirkerud@fnh.no)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 01:01:17 +0100
Subject: Tom Kirkerud er ikke tilstede =?iso-8859-1?q?p=E5_kontoret=2E?=
Message-ID: <OFAE63F80E.44130BCE-ONC1256E43.00001E2B-C1256E43.00001E2B@fnh.no>

Jeg er ikke til stede p? kontoret fra og med den 20.02.2004. Jeg er tilbake
den 01.03.2004.

Jeg vil svare p? meldingen n?r jeg kommer tilbake.




From shadz at email.com  Mon Feb 23 01:05:57 2004
From: shadz at email.com (Shad Z.)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 17:05:57 -0700
Subject: Disney Adventures Volume 14, number 2 (March 2004)
Message-ID: <20040223000557.341D8360183@ws3-5.us4.outblaze.com>

Once again, the contents of the latest Disney Adventures

Disney Adventures Volume 14, Number 2 (March 2004)

1) JZ823, 1 page, 1-tier, Dizzy Adventures: no title
Written by Matt Feazell. Art by Matt Feazell.   

2) JZ816, 4 pages, variable-tiers, Dave the Barbarian: "Joust for Kicks!"
Story by Landry Walker & Eric Jones. Pencils by Carlos Ramos. Inks by Mike DeCarlo. Letters by Michael Stewart.  Colors by Hi-Fi Design.     
Characters include Dave, Candy, Fang, Faffy, Oswidge and Dark Lord Chuckles the Silly Piggy.
NOTE: Dave the Barbarian is a new DTVA show on The Disney Channel.

3) JZ817, 2 pages, 3-tiers, Society of Horrors: "Snowquake!"
Story by Rick Geary. Art by Rick Geary. Colors by Hi-Fi Design.
"Society of Horrors" is not a Disney property; it is copyright Rick Geary.

4) JZ818, 1 page, 3-tiers, Gorilla Gorilla: no title
Story by Art Baltazar. Art by Art Baltazar.  
Characters include Gorilla Gorilla and Lizard Lizard.

5) JZ824, 1/2 page, 2-tiers, Lilo & Stitch: "Speed Demon!"
Story by John Green. Letters by John Green.    
Characters include Lilo and Stitch.
NOTE: The art for this story is pre-existing Lilo & Stitch promotional art, formatted to make a new comic story.

6) JZ819, 4 pages, 3-tiers, Pirates of the Caribbean: "In Jack We Trust!"
Story by Michael Stewart. Art by Bret Blevins. Letters by Michael Stewart. Colors by Felix Serrano.
Characters include Jack Sparrow, Commodore Norrington, Anamaria and Gibbs.

7) no code, 2 pages, The Proud Family: "Scardey-Cast!"
no credits.  
Characters include Penny, Dijonay, LaCienega and Zoey. 

8) JZ820, 2 pages, 3-tiers, Kim Possible: "Rufus Proof!"
Story by John Green. Pencils by Dan Gracey. Inks by Jeff Albrecht.  Letters by Michael Stewart.  Colors by John Green.     
Characters include Kim Possible, Ron Stoppable and Rufus.

9) JZ821, 2 pages, 3-tiers, Jet Pack Pets: "Out of Luck!"
Story by Michael Stewart. Art by Scott Koblish. Letters by Michael Stewart. Colors by Garry Black.
"Jet Pack Pets" is not a Disney property; it is copyright Michael Stewart & Garry Black.

10) JZ822, 1 page, 3-tiers, The Last Laugh: "What Do Leprechauns Do on vacation?"
Written by John Green. Art by Ryan Dunlavey. 


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From HorizonHse at aol.com  Mon Feb 23 02:48:35 2004
From: HorizonHse at aol.com (HorizonHse@aol.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 20:48:35 EST
Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 12, Issue 29
Message-ID: <f5.37e95714.2d6ab5f3@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/20/2004 1:12:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
dcml-request at stp.ling.uu.se writes:
I do
know that midget racing cars were a big sport in America in the 1930's-50's.
Midget car races date back to the earliest days of automobile racing. Many of 
the pioneering racers and daredevils -- Barney Oldfield, Art Smith -- had 
smaller versions of their cars and participated in midget car races. For example, 
the midget car race at the Panama-Pacific International Exposition, held in 
San Francisco in 1915. See also Dick Wallen, Distant Thunder: When Midgets Were 
Mighty, a review of Midget racing history from 1914-1950. Includes living 
history from many of the early midget stars. The book is 400 pages,  with1000 
photographs and eight original color paintings. It includes every AAA and URA 
race, date, winner, car owner, race track and car number from 1945 through 1950 
on the west coast. Also includes payoff's promoters, racetracks, etc.

Regards,

William Price
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From Danehog at aol.com  Mon Feb 23 04:34:49 2004
From: Danehog at aol.com (Danehog@aol.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 22:34:49 EST
Subject: Heidi MacDonald: Disney Adventures Editor?
Message-ID: <1e2.19dbb70a.2d6aced9@aol.com>

Shad Z. wrote:

> Once again, the contents of the latest Disney Adventures

[snip]

Quick question: does Heidi MacDonald still edit the comics page? I remember I 
had a subscription to Disney Adventures roughly eleven years ago, and she 
edited it then. I only ask this because I've seen her name pop up several times 
recently (not related to Disney Adventures). 

I'm just curious. I'm not a female-comics-editor-stalker, as far as I know...
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From olaf at andebyonline.com  Mon Feb 23 05:42:32 2004
From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 05:42:32 +0100
Subject: =?iso-8859-15?q?Re=3A_Tom_Kirkerud_er_ikk?=
	=?iso-8859-15?q?e_tilstede_p=E5_kontoret=2E?=
In-Reply-To: <OFAE63F80E.44130BCE-ONC1256E43.00001E2B-C1256E43.00001E2B@fnh.no>
References: <OFAE63F80E.44130BCE-ONC1256E43.00001E2B-C1256E43.00001E2B@fnh.no>
Message-ID: <opr3s3c6m209gznx@mail.andebyonline.com>

Tom Kirkerud wrote:

> Jeg er ikke til stede p? kontoret fra og med den 20.02.2004. Jeg er 
> tilbake
> den 01.03.2004.
>
> Jeg vil svare p? meldingen n?r jeg kommer tilbake.

Gee... I wonder how many messages like this we will get the next couple of 
weeks.

For those who does not understand Norwegian, this message says:

"I'm not in my office from February 20th 2004. I will be back March 1st 
2004. I will answer the message when I come back."

Just so you know...




Olaf the Blue
always here for your enlightening

From shadz at email.com  Mon Feb 23 07:33:15 2004
From: shadz at email.com (Shad Z.)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 23:33:15 -0700
Subject: Heidi MacDonald: Disney Adventures Editor?
Message-ID: <20040223063315.C8A03360188@ws3-5.us4.outblaze.com>

From: Danehog at aol.com
>
> Shad Z. wrote:
> 
> > Once again, the contents of the latest Disney 
> > Adventures
> 
> [snip]
> 
> Quick question: does Heidi MacDonald still edit the 
> comics page? I remember I had a subscription to 
> Disney Adventures roughly eleven years ago, and she 
> edited it then. I only ask this because I've seen her 
> name pop up several times recently (not related to 
> Disney Adventures). 

No, she does not.  The current comics editor at Disney
Adventures is Steve Behling.
 


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From SRoweCanoe at aol.com  Mon Feb 23 13:04:42 2004
From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:04:42 EST
Subject: Heidi MacDonald: Disney Adventures Editor?
Message-ID: <b2.287ae32c.2d6b465a@aol.com>


>Quick question: does Heidi MacDonald still edit the 
> comics page?
Heidi went to DC for a couple years (editing Vertigo), was let go in another  
of those DC staff massacres some years  back   - so what is she doing now?

sr

From mnaiman1 at cox.net  Mon Feb 23 18:15:55 2004
From: mnaiman1 at cox.net (mnaiman1@cox.net)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 12:15:55 -0500
Subject: Guardians
Message-ID: <20040223171554.CKKT50.fed1mtao01.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net>

Still looking for a couple of copies of the new
PISCOU with GUARDIANS story..
will trade older Scrooge books...

Michael


From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl  Mon Feb 23 18:56:17 2004
From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 18:56:17 +0100
Subject: Reactions to Letter from Home
Message-ID: <AEEC81A4DAC9554A88BCEA431A34CC04018AB278@ds04.tnoase.telecom.tno.nl>

Magnus Bark:

> * A prologue that runs for three pages! Have any of the duck-comics
>   had a prologue earlier?

If you mean that the title of the story is on page 4: there have been quite a few stories with a prologue.
Italian stories, Disney Comics comic stories, but also Van Horn's "Secrets", for instance.

> this makes me feel like the duck comics rises
> itself to a higher level of literature, in some way.

Hm. Talking about "literature" and "higher level" can cause heated discussions...
Anyway, I don't see why using a simple story-telling technique would change the level of anything.

Then again, I haven't seen anything of the story. Yet.

--Harry.

Harry Fluks  --  TNO Telecom  --  Delft  --   Nederland
h.w.fluks at telecom.tno.nl   --   http://dd50.inducks.org
"Wie ben ik? Wat doe ik hier? Waar is mijn Roddelflop?"


From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl  Mon Feb 23 19:02:09 2004
From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 19:02:09 +0100
Subject: Guardians
Message-ID: <AEEC81A4DAC9554A88BCEA431A34CC040216B37A@ds04.tnoase.telecom.tno.nl>

Michael Naiman:

> Still looking for a couple of copies of the new
> PISCOU with GUARDIANS story..

PICSOU is not for sale in Holland or Germany, so I had to go to Belgium to get my copy.
I bought my copy in Antwerp (Antwerpen), but I haven't been there since your request (besides, I think I bought the last copy in the shop).
I *was* in Ghent (Gent, also in Belgium) a few days ago (testing my new car 8-), but I couldn't find any PICSOU in the comic shops there...

--Harry.

Harry Fluks  --  TNO Telecom  --  Delft   --   Pays-Bas
h.w.fluks at telecom.tno.nl   --   http://dd50.inducks.org
"Qui suis-je? Qu'est-ce que je fais ici? Ou est mon Roddelflop?"


From Danehog at aol.com  Tue Feb 24 03:49:14 2004
From: Danehog at aol.com (Danehog@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 21:49:14 EST
Subject: Steve Behling
Message-ID: <db.41ee02a.2d6c15aa@aol.com>

Shad Z. wrote:

> From: Danehog at aol.com
> 
>>Shad Z. wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Once again, the contents of the latest Disney 
>>>Adventures
>>
>>[snip]
>>
>>Quick question: does Heidi MacDonald still edit the 
>>comics page? I remember I had a subscription to 
>>Disney Adventures roughly eleven years ago, and she 
>>edited it then. I only ask this because I've seen her 
>>name pop up several times recently (not related to 
>>Disney Adventures). 
> 
> 
> No, she does not.  The current comics editor at Disney
> Adventures is Steve Behling.

I'm surprised; I thought he mainly created "how-to-draw" books based on 
Marvel characters. (It isn't very comforting that I know that.)
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From Danehog at aol.com  Tue Feb 24 03:53:32 2004
From: Danehog at aol.com (Danehog@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 21:53:32 EST
Subject: Heidi MacDonald: Disney Adventures Editor?
Message-ID: <8d.4307076.2d6c16ac@aol.com>

SRoweCanoe at aol.com wrote:

>>Quick question: does Heidi MacDonald still edit the 
>>comics page?
> 
> Heidi went to DC for a couple years (editing Vertigo), was let go in 
another  
> of those DC staff massacres some years  back   - so what is she doing now?

Disney to Vertigo. What a jump.

A quick Google search revealed that she was apparently an editor for the 
(underpar, in my opinion) "Looney Tunes" comic book from 1999 to 2000.

http://www.conmicro.cx/~vakko/colt/macdonal.html

That index isn't nearly as good as Inducks, of course, but it works.
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From kintoun at shaw.ca  Tue Feb 24 09:46:11 2004
From: kintoun at shaw.ca (Kintoun)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 00:46:11 -0800
Subject: Dorling Kindersley
Message-ID: <006901c3fab2$a87330f0$8700a8c0@nola6z01evk06o>

Does anyone here happen to own DK's Disney: The Ultimate Visual Guide hardcover by Russel K. Shroeder and DK's Disney Ultimate Sticker Book? They were both published in September 2002. I'm considering purchasing them from Barnes And Noble but I'd like to know beforehand how much non movie related content is available in each.

This 16 page Sticker Book apparently contains images from Monsters Inc.,Toy Story, Dumbo + Beauty and the Beast in addition to Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, & Chip 'n Dale illustrations. Does it also include any Goofy, Uncle Scrooge, Huey, Dewey, Louie, Gyro Gearloose, and/or Ludwig Von Drake stickers? The synopsis for the 128 page Visual Guide is pretty vague too. Are there short sections inside specifically devoted to Duck Tales, Goof Troop, Chip 'n Dale's Rescue Rangers, Tailspin, Darkwing Duck, House of Mouse, etc?

Kintoun
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From bangfish at comcast.net  Tue Feb 24 14:23:29 2004
From: bangfish at comcast.net (Gary Leach)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 08:23:29 -0500
Subject: Heidi MacDonald
In-Reply-To: <200402241100.i1OB0Kts005102@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <A2743742-66CC-11D8-8220-000393C28E48@comcast.net>

"Danehog" wrote:

> A quick Google search revealed that she was apparently an editor for 
> the
> (underpar, in my opinion) "Looney Tunes" comic book from 1999 to 2000.

Heidi MacDonald is currently doing a column called "Hey Kids! Comics" 
for the Comics Buyer's Guide (popularly known as CBG). This is a weekly 
tabloid newspaper that is now one of the longest-running - if not the 
longest-running - regular publication about comics in the States.

Gary



From NHH at ra.sa.dk  Tue Feb 24 15:20:21 2004
From: NHH at ra.sa.dk (Niels Houlberg Hansen)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 15:20:21 +0100
Subject: Norwegian comic shops/websites
Message-ID: <4C7F3CA00894D711A1AE0090279A6A630ECAE8@rasrv-exc.sa.dk>

Hello.

I'm looking for a complete collection of "Donald Duck Fra Dag Til Dag" #
1-18, which the Norwegian publisher put out in the 1980s/1990s. (The Danish
publisher unfortunately stopped the Danish equivalent after only 4 volumes.)

Do any of you Norwegian Donaldists know a good second-hand comic shop/an
auction website/etc. where I might find a copy???

Thank you for your help.


Niels


From lpj at forfatter.dk  Tue Feb 24 15:51:52 2004
From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 15:51:52 +0100
Subject: Heidi MacDonald: Disney Adventures Editor?
Message-ID: <009e01c3fae5$ff4b8520$de749dd9@idb3156>

Dane Martin wrote:

> Quick question: does Heidi MacDonald still edit the comics page [of
> Disney Adventures]?

She's currently working at The Pulse: http://www.comicon.com/pulse/ .

Lars




From dolphinrob at mindspring.com  Tue Feb 24 15:50:22 2004
From: dolphinrob at mindspring.com (Rob Wilson)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:50:22 -0500
Subject: W.i.t.c.h. in the U.S.A.
Message-ID: <20040224095022422974.GyazMail.dolphinrob@mindspring.com>

W.i.t.c.h. will be available in the US in April. I can't tell if 
they're doing the stories as comics or as kids' novels, though. Details 
and downloadables - including 4 pages of comics - can be found on the 
official Disney website - 

http://disney.go.com/witch/main.html

Best, 

	Rob



From are.myklebust at f1101.aetat.no  Tue Feb 24 16:21:38 2004
From: are.myklebust at f1101.aetat.no (Myklebust,Are)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 16:21:38 +0100
Subject: Norwegian comic shops/websites
Message-ID: <post_ut.403b6c02.f1101@aetat.no>

Hi Niels!

Here is a link to a website where most of the second-hand comic shops in
Norway are listed:

http://www.tegneserie.info/Bruktbutikker.htm


- and this will be my final mail to the DCML!

Good luck to you all!

Best wishes,
Are Myklebust



From are.myklebust at f1101.aetat.no  Tue Feb 24 16:11:23 2004
From: are.myklebust at f1101.aetat.no (Myklebust,Are)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 16:11:23 +0100
Subject: Al Taliaferro - an addition to the overview
Message-ID: <post_ut.403b699b.f1101@aetat.no>

An addition to the overview over Al Taliaferro's Disney Comics work

COMIC STRIPS
Silly Symphonies - Sunday pages:
10.01.1932 (not 17.01.1932) - 16.04.1939
Note; Art credited to Earl Duvall and Al Taliaferro from 10.01.1932 and
until 02.10.1932. Art credited to Al Taliaferro alone from 09.10.1932.

COMIC BOOKS
Walt Disney's Comics and Stories;
Covers:
# 10 (July 1941)
# 12 (September 1941)


Are Myklebust



From olaf at andebyonline.com  Tue Feb 24 17:45:16 2004
From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:45:16 +0100
Subject: W.i.t.c.h. in the U.S.A.
In-Reply-To: <20040224095022422974.GyazMail.dolphinrob@mindspring.com>
References: <20040224095022422974.GyazMail.dolphinrob@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <opr3vvhqms09gznx@mail.andebyonline.com>

P? Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:50:22 -0500, skrev Rob Wilson 
<dolphinrob at mindspring.com>:

> W.i.t.c.h. will be available in the US in April.

Best news I've heard in a long time. :-)



> I can't tell if they're doing the stories as comics or as kids' novels, 
> though.

The advertisement is all about the kids' novels. Too bad, I wouldn't mind 
getting a new chance to pay attention to these comics... I've neglected way 
too many...



> http://disney.go.com/witch/main.html

Thank you very much for a great link.





-- 
Olaf Solstrand


From hoymurphy at charter.net  Tue Feb 24 15:38:45 2004
From: hoymurphy at charter.net (Hoy Murphy)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:38:45 -0000
Subject: Heidi MacDonald: Disney Adventures Editor?
References: <200402241100.i1OB0Kts005102@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <003101c3fae3$e8a8c280$0500a8c0@hoy>

Since being let go as an editor at DC Comics, Heidi MacDonald has been
writing a weekly column for the Comics Buyers Guide and reports for the
online comics news site "The Pulse" at http://www.comicon.com/pulse/

--your pal, Hoy Murphy



From lpj at forfatter.dk  Tue Feb 24 21:32:10 2004
From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:32:10 +0100
Subject: Steve Geppi interview
Message-ID: <012501c3fb15$c5c653e0$de749dd9@idb3156>

Hi everybody.

There's an interview with Gemstone owner Steve Geppi here:

http://www.worldfamouscomics.com/bakersdozen/back20040204.shtml .

The interview was conducted in mid-2003, but hasn't been published until
now.

Lars




From Danehog at aol.com  Tue Feb 24 22:47:39 2004
From: Danehog at aol.com (Danehog@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 16:47:39 EST
Subject: W.i.t.c.h. in the U.S.A.
Message-ID: <80.6088efb.2d6d207b@aol.com>

Rob Wilson wrote:

> W.i.t.c.h. will be available in the US in April. I can't tell if 
> they're doing the stories as comics or as kids' novels, though. Details 
> and downloadables - including 4 pages of comics - can be found on the 
> official Disney website - 
> 
> http://disney.go.com/witch/main.html

This probably doesn't help at all, but I saw three or four of the W.I.T.C.H. 
kids novels at Borders (a somewhat popular American book store, for those of 
you who don't know). To be honest, the art style *frightens* me. Everyone has 
seven layers of eye.

The books appeared to have short comic book inserts inside them, but the rest 
is text.
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From Danehog at aol.com  Tue Feb 24 22:51:27 2004
From: Danehog at aol.com (Danehog@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 16:51:27 EST
Subject: W.i.t.c.h. in the U.S.A.
Message-ID: <a9.52001a1d.2d6d215f@aol.com>

Olaf Solstrand wrote:

> P? Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:50:22 -0500, skrev Rob Wilson 
> <dolphinrob at mindspring.com>:
> 
>> W.i.t.c.h. will be available in the US in April.
> 
> Best news I've heard in a long time. :-)
> 
>> I can't tell if they're doing the stories as comics or as kids' novels,=
> 
>> though.
> 
> The advertisement is all about the kids' novels. Too bad, I wouldn't mind=
> getting a new chance to pay attention to these comics... I've neglected w=
> ay too many...

Is W.I.T.C.H. really any good? I've yet to see a non-Japanese "manga" 
imitation of much quality, as they seem to try to follow manga-based cliches at the 
expense of a good story. (This sometimes applies to the art; the artists should 
just *be themselves.*)

I think W.I.T.C.H. would sell really well in the US, especially stocked with 
"real" manga in mainstream book stores. 
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From Danehog at aol.com  Tue Feb 24 22:55:20 2004
From: Danehog at aol.com (Danehog@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 16:55:20 EST
Subject: Comic Magazines (Literally!)
Message-ID: <17.42f789c9.2d6d2248@aol.com>

Hoy Murphy wrote:

> Since being let go as an editor at DC Comics, Heidi MacDonald has been
> writing a weekly column for the Comics Buyers Guide and reports for the
> online comics news site "The Pulse" at http://www.comicon.com/pulse/

The Comics Buyers Guide must be where I saw her name. I occasionally browse 
through it, but I don't think it's worth its $4 price tag. (I think it costs 
$4, anyway.)

Speaking of comic book-themed magazines, though, I think "The Comics Journal" 
is probably the best out there, despite undeniably pompous overtones. 
Gemstone's own "Comic Book Marketplace" is high quality as far as the publishing 
goes, but I don't think the writing is as strong as the Journal's. (At least fom 
what I've seen.)

Did anyone read Don Markstein's article regarding Disney comics in an issue 
of "Comic Book Marketplace" this summer? I thought it was great.
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From comicchar_shop at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 25 04:12:49 2004
From: comicchar_shop at yahoo.com (dennis books)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 19:12:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Al TALIAFERRO art
Message-ID: <20040225031249.41131.qmail@web12006.mail.yahoo.com>

Of interest to some might be the cigar labels from the Netherlands. Five sets each with different colors and ten different duck scenes in a set.
 
anything for a duck...Dennis


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From ericchun at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 25 08:40:20 2004
From: ericchun at hotmail.com (Eric Chun)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 23:40:20 -0800
Subject: Heidi MacDonald: Disney Adventures Editor?
Message-ID: <BAY1-F63K3kIf5uB2cP0000decc@hotmail.com>

>Heidi went to DC for a couple years (editing Vertigo), was let go in 
>another
>of those DC staff massacres some years  back   - so what is she doing now?

She writes a column in the Comics Buyer's Guide, and she's a writer for the
Pulse.  From her latest CBG column, she's a Carl Barks fan.

http://www.comicon.com/pulse

Best,

Eric

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From info at klartekst.no  Wed Feb 25 11:02:56 2004
From: info at klartekst.no (Klartekst)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 11:02:56 +0100
Subject: W.i.t.c.h. in the U.S.A.
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040225104602.026c9640@pop3.activeisp.com>

Dane Martin asked: Is W.i.t.c.h. any good?

I started buying W.i.t.c.h. because of the fresh, new drawing style (for a 
Disney comic) and the sophisticated coloring. In the beginning it looked 
promising. The different personalities of the five girls were well-defined 
and consistent. The details of clothing and backgrounds were marvellous - 
somebody put a lot of work into that.

I stopped buying it after about 18 issues because the art became cruder. 
Thick, hurried ink lines instead of the flowing elagant style they had in 
the beginning. Also, it became to "super-heroish". I find it difficult to 
identify with super-heroes who are TOO powerful. This is why I like 
Spider-man better than Superman.

As for the Manga art, I think the future of comics will be dominated by a 
fusion of the best from Manga and western drawing styles. The result should 
be interesting.

Nils Smeby




From anders_sivebaek at nns.dk  Wed Feb 25 14:04:54 2004
From: anders_sivebaek at nns.dk (Anders Christian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Siveb=E6k?=)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 14:04:54 +0100
Subject: Niels
In-Reply-To: <200402242156.i1OLtdf3001855@numerus.ling.uu.se>
References: <200402242156.i1OLtdf3001855@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <fc.0064b568007019c73b9aca00f2d14a16.7019d6@nns.dk>

Niels: 
>
>
>I'm looking for a complete collection of "Donald Duck Fra Dag Til Dag" #
>1-18, which the Norwegian publisher put out in the 1980s/1990s. (The
>Danish
>publisher unfortunately stopped the Danish equivalent after only 4
>volumes.)
>
>Do any of you Norwegian Donaldists know a good second-hand comic shop/an
>auction website/etc. where I might find a copy???

I saw a wide selection of them at L?v?s in Stavanger, where Sigvald lives. 
Should I put you in contact with him, so he can help you? The books where 
in the price range of 50 - 100 kr. pr book - some where new from the press 
and thus packed in plastic. 

Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist




From mickey at iol.it  Wed Feb 25 14:13:24 2004
From: mickey at iol.it (Mickey)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 14:13:24 +0100
Subject: Doubts
Message-ID: <000501c3fba1$2b4d2b90$86133152@uno>

Sometimes I decide to solve some doubts of mine... for your misfortune! I
hope you'll be able to answer.
a) Where/when has it been the first comic rendez-vous between Mickey Mouse
and Pete Leg? And is the latter really legless, at least in the first
classical appeareances?
b) Why is Duckburg named so if it's been founded by a Coot?
c) Excluding Don Rosa's work, who said that HDL are children of Donald's
*sister*? (The first appearance, you know, talked about a cousin)
Thanks and bye

Mickey



From jadorno at jjay.cuny.edu  Wed Feb 25 19:13:11 2004
From: jadorno at jjay.cuny.edu (jadorno@jjay.cuny.edu)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 13:13:11 -0500
Subject: W.I.T.C.H.  in the U.S.A.
Message-ID: <6dcdc7570a.7570a6dcdc@jjay.cuny.edu>

I've only seen W.I.T.C.H. available in the form of short novels 
for young readers, with some comics pages included. The books are available at Amazon.com and are all written by Elizabeth Lernhard. Nine of these novels 
are set to be released - so far, only the first one, (THE POWER OF FIVE) is available.

It seems that W.I.T.C.H. is being marketed to fans of the T.V. shows "Sabrina, The Teenage Witch" and "Charmed," since the latter series features three witches who cast spells branded "The power of three." 

Joseph Adorno   





From jadorno at jjay.cuny.edu  Wed Feb 25 19:53:39 2004
From: jadorno at jjay.cuny.edu (jadorno@jjay.cuny.edu)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 13:53:39 -0500
Subject: Darkwing Duck in Disney "Supers"
Message-ID: <774957569a.7569a77495@jjay.cuny.edu>

I think Darkwing Duck's FIRST EVER appearance was in issue #1 of a self-titled mini-series published by Disney Comics a whole month before his t.v. show premired. 

Of course, the comic was an adaptation of an episode from the series, but it WAS his first appearance. So maybe he does belong on the collage of Disney "Supers", eh? 

Joseph Adorno




From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr  Wed Feb 25 20:38:33 2004
From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 20:38:33 +0100
Subject: Doubts
References: <000501c3fba1$2b4d2b90$86133152@uno>
Message-ID: <002101c3fbd6$f4de7a60$cb8f3351@computer>

Hell everyone!

Mickey:

>>>> a) Where/when has it been the first comic rendez-vous between Mickey
Mouse
>>>> and Pete Leg?

Do you mean, the first time they appeared together in a comic strip or a
comic book?

Pete first appeared in "Mickey Mouse in Death Valley" (April 1 - Sept 20,
1930-- the second continuity) on April 12 (in silhouette) and April 21 (for
real). His name, "Pegleg Pete", was first mentioned on April 24.
He appeared again in a few continuities, several months apart (like Scrooge,
who didn't become a main character overnight).
Pete was "redesigned" for "The Captive Castaways" (Jan 10 - April 17, 1934),
in which he first appears on February 21.
The design was slightly reworked in "Editor-in Grief" (March 4 - June 1,
1935), which he first appears on April 6; on March 28, one of  his henchmen
referred to him as "Looey, the Leg"-- a bit larger.



>>>>And is the latter really legless, at least in the first
>>>> classical appeareances?

Pete really does have a peg leg. He got a whole new artificial leg in "The
Mystery at Hidden River" (Oct 6, '41 - Jan 17, '42)-- a "new model store
leg" (Oct 21). Gottfredson explained the peg leg had been dropped in the
cartoons because it looked painful-- especially as the animators captured
too well teh way the weight shifted from one leg to the other. Pete kept his
nickname.



>>>>> b) Why is Duckburg named so if it's been founded by a Coot?

I think it's simply because the town was baptized by the authors
(Taliaferro? Barks?) before Barks invented Cornelius Coot.



Olivier




From mickey at iol.it  Wed Feb 25 21:44:11 2004
From: mickey at iol.it (Mickey)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 21:44:11 +0100
Subject: Doubts
References: <000501c3fba1$2b4d2b90$86133152@uno>
	<002101c3fbd6$f4de7a60$cb8f3351@computer>
Message-ID: <001b01c3fbe0$1fc0a1f0$1979b650@uno>

Olivier, thanks for your exaustive explanations about Pete.

> >>>>> b) Why is Duckburg named so if it's been founded by a Coot?

> I think it's simply because the town was baptized by the authors
(Taliaferro? Barks?) before Barks invented Cornelius >Coot.

It's a too simple answer :) I thought Don Rosa had given some *narrative*
explanations I missed.
I see I was wrong :)
bye

Mickey



From olaf at andebyonline.com  Wed Feb 25 22:35:04 2004
From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 22:35:04 +0100
Subject: Doubts
In-Reply-To: <001b01c3fbe0$1fc0a1f0$1979b650@uno>
References: <000501c3fba1$2b4d2b90$86133152@uno>
	<002101c3fbd6$f4de7a60$cb8f3351@computer>
	<001b01c3fbe0$1fc0a1f0$1979b650@uno>
Message-ID: <opr3x3kqpa09gznx@mail.andebyonline.com>

P? Wed, 25 Feb 2004 21:44:11 +0100, skrev Mickey <mickey at iol.it>:

> Olivier, thanks for your exaustive explanations about Pete.
>
>> >>>>> b) Why is Duckburg named so if it's been founded by a Coot?
>
>> I think it's simply because the town was baptized by the authors
> (Taliaferro? Barks?) before Barks invented Cornelius >Coot.
>
> It's a too simple answer :) I thought Don Rosa had given some *narrative*
> explanations I missed.


Oh, he has.

According to Don Rosa, Duckburg was built upon the old Fort Drakeborough, 
founded by Sir Francis Drake. Coot decided to modernize the name - "drake" 
being old English for "duck" and "borough" meaning "city"... So he changed 
it to Duckburg.



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From mickey at iol.it  Wed Feb 25 22:43:53 2004
From: mickey at iol.it (Mickey)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 22:43:53 +0100
Subject: Doubts
References: <000501c3fba1$2b4d2b90$86133152@uno>
	<002101c3fbd6$f4de7a60$cb8f3351@computer>
	<001b01c3fbe0$1fc0a1f0$1979b650@uno>
	<opr3x3kqpa09gznx@mail.andebyonline.com>
Message-ID: <004701c3fbe8$79fc05d0$1979b650@uno>

Olaf:

> According to Don Rosa, Duckburg was built upon the old Fort Drakeborough,
founded by Sir Francis Drake. Coot >decided to modernize the name - "drake"
being old English for "duck" and "borough" meaning "city"... So he changed
> it to Duckburg.

Oh! Thank you. I knew the truth was out there :)
(Even if it's not a *perfect* explanation, but it's the most fitable!)
bye

Mickey



From lpj at forfatter.dk  Thu Feb 26 10:19:13 2004
From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 10:19:13 +0100
Subject: Scarpa and "Duck Tales"
Message-ID: <004a01c3fc4a$61dc1aa0$ed749dd9@idb3156>

Hi everybody.

I was snooping around Dimensione Delta
(http://www.dimensionedelta.net/scarpa/), when I came across this:

"Duck Tales Test, 1988. Provino per la serie televisiva 'Duck Tales'."

Can anybody enlighten me on this? Francesco?

Lars




From frspreaf at tin.it  Thu Feb 26 10:56:32 2004
From: frspreaf at tin.it (Francesco Spreafico)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 10:56:32 +0100
Subject: Scarpa and "Duck Tales"
References: <004a01c3fc4a$61dc1aa0$ed749dd9@idb3156>
Message-ID: <023d01c3fc4f$bc3212c0$0700a8c0@FRANCESCO01>

Lars Jensen wrote:

> "Duck Tales Test, 1988. Provino per la serie televisiva 'Duck Tales'."
>
> Can anybody enlighten me on this? Francesco?

Yep! Scarpa did a very short (one or two minutes) clip with Scrooge, HDL and
the BB as a test for Duck Tales, but that was it, never actually happened
after that. In my opinion  animation and character design there were way
better than what we actually see in Duck Tales.

Laz
http://www.dimensionedelta.net



From NHH at ra.sa.dk  Thu Feb 26 12:45:37 2004
From: NHH at ra.sa.dk (Niels Houlberg Hansen)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 12:45:37 +0100
Subject: SV: Niels
Message-ID: <4C7F3CA00894D711A1AE0090279A6A630ECAEF@rasrv-exc.sa.dk>

Hello Anders:

Yes, PLEASE do so!
I'm looking for volumes 1942-1955.

Kind regards and thanks
Niels.


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Anders Christian Siveb?k
Sendt: 25. februar 2004 14:05
Til: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
Emne: Re: Niels


Niels: 
>
>
>I'm looking for a complete collection of "Donald Duck Fra Dag Til Dag" #
>1-18, which the Norwegian publisher put out in the 1980s/1990s. (The
>Danish
>publisher unfortunately stopped the Danish equivalent after only 4
>volumes.)
>
>Do any of you Norwegian Donaldists know a good second-hand comic shop/an
>auction website/etc. where I might find a copy???

I saw a wide selection of them at L?v?s in Stavanger, where Sigvald lives. 
Should I put you in contact with him, so he can help you? The books where 
in the price range of 50 - 100 kr. pr book - some where new from the press 
and thus packed in plastic. 

Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist






From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl  Thu Feb 26 13:13:02 2004
From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:13:02 +0100
Subject: Doubts (i.e. "Questions")
Message-ID: <AEEC81A4DAC9554A88BCEA431A34CC04018AB2AA@ds04.tnoase.telecom.tno.nl>

>> b) Why is Duckburg named so if it's been founded by a Coot?
> 
> I think it's simply because the town was baptized by the authors
> (Taliaferro? Barks?)

Barks was the first to use the name Duckburg.

--Harry.

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h.w.fluks at telecom.tno.nl   --   http://dd50.inducks.org
"Wie ben ik? Wat doe ik hier? Waar is mijn Roddelflop?"



From avuono at UDel.Edu  Thu Feb 26 20:10:38 2004
From: avuono at UDel.Edu (Anthony Vuono)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:10:38 -0500
Subject: Letter from Home copy?
Message-ID: <000501c3fc9c$3bfba0b0$7c42af80@Anthony>

To list:
    Would anyone mind sending an American a copy of Aku Ankka number 9 with
A Letter from Home? Or can I be directed to a place to order it that I can
read in English? Even though I can't read the story because of the language,
I'm dying to see the pictures. Normally, I would wait for the U.S. version,
but I've wanted to see this one for a long time. However, I can only send
money in United States dollars. Thanks everyone!
Sincerely,
Anthony Vuono



From lpj at forfatter.dk  Fri Feb 27 13:56:54 2004
From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:56:54 +0100
Subject: Scarpa and "Duck Tales"
Message-ID: <00fd01c3fd31$a1a86b60$25749dd9@idb3156>

Francesco Spreafico wrote:

> > "Duck Tales Test, 1988. Provino per la serie televisiva 'Duck
> > Tales'."
>
> Scarpa did a very short (one or two minutes) clip with Scrooge, HDL
> and the BB as a test for Duck Tales, but that was it, never actually
> happened after that. In my opinion  animation and character design
> there were way better than what we actually see in Duck Tales.
>
> Laz

Thanks, Francesc... uh... Laz. Why did Scarpa do this? Did he want to
become an animator on the show?

Lars




From jongraywb at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 27 19:27:54 2004
From: jongraywb at hotmail.com (Jonathan H. Gray)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:27:54 -0600
Subject: KUR: Paperinik
Message-ID: <Law11-F42eoOWGMhLPB000287a1@hotmail.com>

>>David Gerstein wrote:
>>>"Super Donald" isn't a legitimate English name for the character. Donald
>>>is his *secret* identity, and he wouldn't reveal it by making it part of 
>>>his
>>>public superhero name.
>>
>>So calling himself Super Duck doesn't reveal his last name...?
>
>Uhm, not at all! After all, there's so many people named Duck. He could 
>be... Daisy, or Louie, or even Grandma.

Or Daffy! :D

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From jongraywb at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 27 19:31:23 2004
From: jongraywb at hotmail.com (Jonathan H. Gray)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:31:23 -0600
Subject: Paperinik
Message-ID: <Law11-F504vCz1sNYUY0000f99f@hotmail.com>

Sorry if this has already been answered - its taken me quite a while to get 
to my emails due to work and personal stuff (I have a backlog of over 
150...**sigh** ;__;).

>Well, in Dutch his name *is* Superdonald. Besides, in Duckburg and 
>surroundings, no one would recognise secret identities, even if the people 
>have quite unique marks like a sailor hat or a name like "Supergoof".
>

Out of curiosity - have any of the Italian Paperinik stories seen print in 
America? I seem to recall ONE being printed in Disney Adventures way back 
when, but I honestly dont remember if it was any good...

...or for that matter if it was even Italian, but I digress... :P



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From olaf at andebyonline.com  Fri Feb 27 19:34:36 2004
From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:34:36 +0100
Subject: KUR: Paperinik
In-Reply-To: <Law11-F42eoOWGMhLPB000287a1@hotmail.com>
References: <Law11-F42eoOWGMhLPB000287a1@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <opr31kjyzu09gznx@mail.andebyonline.com>

P? Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:27:54 -0600, skrev Jonathan H. Gray 
<jongraywb at hotmail.com>:

>>> So calling himself Super Duck doesn't reveal his last name...?
>>
>> Uhm, not at all! After all, there's so many people named Duck. He could 
>> be... Daisy, or Louie, or even Grandma.
>
> Or Daffy! :D

Yeah... I've never thought of it, but wouldn't Daffy be the perfect 
Duckburg superhero? I mean, if he ever came there. He can fly, can't he?


From frspreaf at tin.it  Fri Feb 27 21:17:47 2004
From: frspreaf at tin.it (Francesco Spreafico)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:17:47 +0100
Subject: Scarpa and "Duck Tales"
References: <00fd01c3fd31$a1a86b60$25749dd9@idb3156>
Message-ID: <032401c3fd6e$cb03ce40$34641e97@versi>

Lars Jensen wrote:

> Thanks, Francesc... uh... Laz. Why did Scarpa do this? Did he want to
> become an animator on the show?

Oops I used the wrong name, sorry.

Anyway, I have a little bit more time to answer now...

Scarpa had made a short (6 minutes) cartoon named "Camminata Disney" in
1982, it used to air at the beginning of a TV show named "Topolino show",
that was a Saturday afternoon show, with games for kids, artists drawing
Disney characters live (I think I remember Marco Rota there) and Disney
toons.

This short toon was brought to Burbank and the result was a licence to
produce Disney animation in Italy.

But US animators weren't that happy about this (maybe not only for Italy, I
guess Japan might have something to do with it too, but I'm not sure about
that), and so there was a long strike... the result was no Disney animation
in Italy.

Some years later though, Scarpa tried again and made this short clip based
on short scene sent to him from Burbank. Once again it was approved, but
there just was no way to arrange a crew here in Italy who could work at the
fast pace required for Duck Tales, so eventually nothing really happened.

(For the details, thanks to the book "Sognando la Calidornia")

Francesco
http://www.dimensionedelta.net



From jongraywb at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 27 21:39:12 2004
From: jongraywb at hotmail.com (Jonathan H. Gray)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:39:12 -0600
Subject: The Sharpie Of Cluebra Cut And Other Unprinted Rosa Stories
Message-ID: <Law11-F3WssM5sGmhZ20002a4b6@hotmail.com>

Curiosity is getting the better of me. Has "The Sharpie Of Culebra Cut" seen 
print in America yet and if so in what Uncle Scrooge issue did it see print?

Lastly, how many Rosa stories do we have left to catch up on? I'm 
practically aching to see Letter From Home, Dream Of A Lifetime, and the 
Kalevalavelavalevalavaelvalevalealaelelavllvaelvlelvalalvlevlvelvelveva (can 
you tell I have no clue how to spell that thing? ^___^) story.

Anybody have any insight?

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From thomas at duckburg.dk  Fri Feb 27 22:16:13 2004
From: thomas at duckburg.dk (Thomas Pryds Lauritsen)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:16:13 +0100
Subject: The Sharpie Of Cluebra Cut And Other Unprinted Rosa Stories (in
 the US)
In-Reply-To: <Law11-F3WssM5sGmhZ20002a4b6@hotmail.com>
References: <Law11-F3WssM5sGmhZ20002a4b6@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <403FB39D.6000208@duckburg.dk>

Jonathan H. Gray wrote:
> Curiosity is getting the better of me. Has "The Sharpie Of Culebra Cut" 
> seen print in America yet and if so in what Uncle Scrooge issue did it 
> see print?

It hasn't seen print in the US yet:
http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/F+PM+01201

> Lastly, how many Rosa stories do we have left to catch up on? I'm 
> practically aching to see Letter From Home, Dream Of A Lifetime, and the 
> Kalevalavelavalevalavaelvalevalealaelelavllvaelvlelvalalvlevlvelvelveva 
> (can you tell I have no clue how to spell that thing? ^___^) story.
> 
> Anybody have any insight?

The Inducks database has :-)

Enter: http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/comp.php/0
Select "story" in the "Layout" drop-down menu. Write "Don Rosa" in the 
"Creators/art or story" field. Scroll down a bit and check "Story was 
NOT reprinted in USA". That should give you what you look for :-)

-- 
Thomas Pryds Lauritsen
http://www.cs.auc.dk/~pryds/


From olaf at andebyonline.com  Fri Feb 27 22:23:17 2004
From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:23:17 +0100
Subject: The Sharpie Of Cluebra Cut And Other Unprinted Rosa Stories
In-Reply-To: <Law11-F3WssM5sGmhZ20002a4b6@hotmail.com>
References: <Law11-F3WssM5sGmhZ20002a4b6@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <opr31sc3sm09gznx@mail.andebyonline.com>

P? Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:39:12 -0600, skrev Jonathan H. Gray 
<jongraywb at hotmail.com>:

> Curiosity is getting the better of me. Has "The Sharpie Of Culebra Cut" 
> seen print in America yet and if so in what Uncle Scrooge issue did it 
> see print?

Doesn't seem to have, according to INDUCKS.



> Lastly, how many Rosa stories do we have left to catch up on? I'm 
> practically aching to see Letter From Home, Dream Of A Lifetime, and the 
> Kalevalavelavalevalavaelvalevalealaelelavllvaelvlelvalalvlevlvelvelveva 
> (can you tell I have no clue how to spell that thing? ^___^) story.

Kalevala. The story is "The Quest for Kalevala".



> Anybody have any insight?

No, but I _do_ have access to INDUCKS. Meaning I can answer you anyway.

Don Rosa stories not published in the USA:

G TEM 9510 - "Gyro's Beagletrap"
D 99078 - "Quest For Kalevala"
D 98346 - "Escape From Forbidden Valley"
F PM 01201 - "The Sharpie of the Culebra Cut"
D 2001-024 - "The Crown Of The Crusader Kings"
D 2001-095 - "Forget It!"
D 2002-033 - "The Dream Of A Lifetime"
D 2003-017 - "Trash And Treasure"

...and also "A letter from home / The old castle's other secret" and 
anything Don may have written after that (The black knight glorps again, 
and... anything more?)


From jongraywb at hotmail.com  Sat Feb 28 00:05:23 2004
From: jongraywb at hotmail.com (Jonathan H. Gray)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:05:23 -0600
Subject: Heidi MacDonald: Disney Adventures Editor?
Message-ID: <LAW11-F11ErefdAPMRU0002b968@hotmail.com>

I was wondering what became of her. Ever since she left the comic portion of 
DA has gone downhill quicker than a runaway snowman on a pair of skis. >__>

The old days when they used to do stories probably up until the Disney 
Afternoon Aladdin years will always be the ones I remember most fondly. :)


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From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com  Sat Feb 28 05:21:17 2004
From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 23:21:17 EST
Subject: May 2004 Gemstone Disney Comics Previews
Message-ID: <104.401b5535.2d71713d@aol.com>

Hi all!

Here are the previews for May 2004's US Disney comics from Previews Volume 
13, number 3.

Donald Duck Adventures #6---- Three long Disney adventure stories: Donald 
Duck and Cousin Fethry in "The Ghosts Rats of Hamelin," the third "TNT" story, 
which follows our heroes as they track down supernatural miscreants. Also in 
this issue: Mickey in "The Blot's Birthday Plot," and Uncle Scrooge in "The 
Secret Brotherhood." SC, 5x7, 128 pages, FC, $7.95.

Donald Duck and Friends #316---- In "World's Apart," Donald travels out of 
this world to encounter alluring space ducks, along with dinosaurs, and other 
perils. A cover by Michel Nadorp illustrates the story. Also featured are "The 
Headless Warrior," a Mickey Mouse mystery-adventure, and "Survival In The 
Wild," starring Daisy and the Junior Woodchucks. FC, 32 pages. $2.95.

Mickey Mouse and Friends #265---- Mickey and Goofy discover super heroes are 
real and sometimes need the help of ordinary mortals in "Mickey Mouse Meets 
Capt. Thunder." Then Donald Duck once again squares off with his three truant 
nephews in "A Day to Play Hooky," and Goofy discovers problems in his own 
"Awkward Age." FC, 32 pages. $2.95.

Uncle Scrooge #330---- William Van Horn's "Flying High" takes Scrooge and his 
nephew to the skies in this barnstorming rollick. Also in this issue is a 
reprint of Carl Barks' immortal Donald/Scrooge story, "The Titanic Ants," as well 
as with stories featuring Gyro Gearloose and Grandma Duck, alon with two more 
Scrooge tales. SC, 7x10, 64 pages, FC, $6.95.

Walt Disney's Comics and Stories #645---- William Van Horn's latest 
ten-pager, "The Perils of Pie," outlines the pitfalls of Donald's latest attempt at 
employment, as a pie delivery boy. A cover by Van Horn illustrates the tale. Also 
in this issue is Carl Barks' classic "The Water Ski Race," as well as stories 
featuring Mickey and others. SC, 7x10, 64 pages, FC, $6.95.

A pretty good lineup it seems.

Derek Smith
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From olaf at andebyonline.com  Sat Feb 28 05:54:40 2004
From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 05:54:40 +0100
Subject: May 2004 Gemstone Disney Comics Previews
In-Reply-To: <104.401b5535.2d71713d@aol.com>
References: <104.401b5535.2d71713d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <opr32c9el809gznx@mail.andebyonline.com>

P? Fri, 27 Feb 2004 23:21:17 EST, skrev <ZeldasTriforce at aol.com>:

> Hi all!
> Donald Duck Adventures #6---- Three long Disney adventure stories: Donald 
> Duck and Cousin Fethry in "The Ghosts Rats of Hamelin," the third "TNT" 
> story, which follows our heroes as they track down supernatural 
> miscreants. Also in this issue: Mickey in "The Blot's Birthday Plot," and 
> Uncle Scrooge in "The Secret Brotherhood." SC, 5x7, 128 pages, FC, $7.95.


My honest opinion:

DO look forward to "The Blot's Birthday Plot"! I think it may be my 
favorite of all the Mickey birthday stories I've read. Why is this 
published in May and not in November, by the way? Oh well...

Let me just say that the story is great. I'm a huge Eega Beeva fan, and a 
story featuring BOTH Eega Beeva and The Phantom Blot... Oh my! Also, I've 
always loved Byron Erickson's scripts. So... My advice is DON'T MISS IT.

I think I can manage to say this sentence without spoiling anything: The 
trap The Blot sets up in this story is perhaps the most masterly one I've 
ever seen. And he's had pretty many...


From dve at kabelfoon.nl  Sat Feb 28 14:51:15 2004
From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 14:51:15 +0100
Subject: Gemstone for dummies, some questions
Message-ID: <20040228134848.2B6B01A0019@pelian.kabelfoon.nl>

In private, someone asked me for information about Gemstone.

Can you tell me some URLs where I can find this information, 
or can you give a summary of what Gemstone is doing, with a 
list of their products, and their contact information?

Thanks in advance!

--- Dani?l



From hanskped at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 29 01:22:41 2004
From: hanskped at yahoo.com (Pedersen Hans)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 16:22:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Mickey Mouse Magazine variation?
Message-ID: <20040229002241.64886.qmail@web80201.mail.yahoo.com>

Someone recently pointed out to me that there is a variation
of the 1930s Mickey Mouse Magazines that I had never noticed
or seen described anywhere. Since then, I've observed it on 
several other copies. Does anyone know the reason for this 
difference and which issues it affected?

<a href="http://www.hhkkpp.com/mm.html">Example</a>

Thanks, Hans



From SRoweCanoe at aol.com  Sun Feb 29 03:31:51 2004
From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe@aol.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 21:31:51 EST
Subject: Mickey Mouse Magazine variation?
Message-ID: <63.28c191b4.2d72a917@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/28/2004 7:23:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
hanskped at yahoo.com writes:
Someone recently pointed out to me that there is a variation
of the 1930s Mickey Mouse Magazines that I had never noticed
or seen described anywhere. Since then, I've observed it on 
several other copies. Does anyone know the reason for this 
difference and which issues it affected?
looks like a distributor code... but i wont swear to it.....

steven rowe
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From ordi at tekpro.it  Sun Feb 29 09:22:48 2004
From: ordi at tekpro.it (Ordi_sas)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 10:22:48 +0200
Subject: Mickey Mouse Magazine variation?
In-Reply-To: <20040229002241.64886.qmail@web80201.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BC676DF8.BE36%ordi@tekpro.it>

What series are you talking about? (1930/1934 or 1935/1940)
and
Which number of issue have got difference?
                    Paolo Bontempi

> Da: Pedersen Hans <hanskped at yahoo.com>
> Data: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 16:22:41 -0800 (PST)
> A: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
> Oggetto: Mickey Mouse Magazine variation?
> 
> Someone recently pointed out to me that there is a variation
> of the 1930s Mickey Mouse Magazines that I had never noticed
> or seen described anywhere. Since then, I've observed it on
> several other copies. Does anyone know the reason for this
> difference and which issues it affected?
> 
> <a href="http://www.hhkkpp.com/mm.html">Example</a>
> 
> Thanks, Hans
> 
> _______________________________________________
> http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml
> 



From lpj at forfatter.dk  Sun Feb 29 11:47:32 2004
From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 11:47:32 +0100
Subject: Let me plot the ways...
Message-ID: <012701c3feb2$875479c0$70789dd9@idb3156>

Eta Beta wrote:

> Also, in France there's a comic series devoted to "Les Petits Hommes",
> a bunch of people whose diminutive size is permanent (freely chosen, I
> seem to understand), rather than temporary.

Thanks, E. B. I've only ever seen a few pages of this series, and for
years I've tried to figure out exactly what was the conceptual
difference between Les Petits Hommes and the Smurfs. The idea of people
who have freely chosen to be gnome-sized sounds intriguing. Does it take
place in a contemporary setting? (I couldn't tell from the few pages I
saw.)

> I'm not exactly fond of Disney super-heroes, either... I find those,
> especially the italian Paperinik (moreso in the recent, "modern"
> incarnation) but also most of Super Goof quite repetitive and
> unoriginal...

But just because a lot of Paperinik or Super Goof stories may (in your
opinion) be dull, doesn't mean the characters themselves are bad, does
it? A lot of boring Donald Duck stories have been made, too.

Lars




From lpj at forfatter.dk  Sun Feb 29 11:48:07 2004
From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 11:48:07 +0100
Subject: Scarpa and "Duck Tales"
Message-ID: <012801c3feb2$87e261e0$70789dd9@idb3156>

Francesco wrote:

> Scarpa had made a short (6 minutes) cartoon [...] Scarpa tried again
> and made this short clip [...]

Thanks, Francesco. Very interesting. I'll assume the cartoons looked
amazing. Do you realize how envious I am of you Italians, who for years
have had people like Romano Scarpa walking around in the streets?

Lars




From lpj at forfatter.dk  Sun Feb 29 11:48:23 2004
From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 11:48:23 +0100
Subject: Shrinking gag
Message-ID: <012901c3feb2$885f8120$70789dd9@idb3156>

Mads Jensen wrote:

> The movie series "Honey, I shrunk the kids" (which I believe is made
> by Disney) reuses the gag in several movies, and now even started a
> half-hour comedy show based on the storylines.

It's Disney, yes, but the series was actually a one-hour sci-fi family
show. Pretty entertaining, too.

Lars




From lpj at forfatter.dk  Sun Feb 29 11:51:25 2004
From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 11:51:25 +0100
Subject: Paperinik
Message-ID: <012a01c3feb2$88d4ff40$70789dd9@idb3156>

Jonathan H. Gray wrote:

> I seem to recall ONE [Paperinik story] being printed in Disney
> Adventures way back when, but I honestly dont remember if it was any
> good...
>
> ...or for that matter if it was even Italian [...]

It was American-produced. I haven't read it, so I'll let somebody else
comment on whether it was good.

Olivier wrote:

> It's a odd convention that a mere mask or change of  costume makes you
> unrecognizable / unidentifiable: Clark Kent can in no way be Superman
> [...]
> (it's all in the glasses, like Clark)

If people look the same with or without glasses, how come so many have
dropped the latter and begun wearing contact lenses? Obviously, there
*is* a difference.

Maciek wrote:

> This olwey's bother me theat now body never notice Theat SuperGoof and
> Goofy are the one guy evev whail the Only difren't betwen Goofy and
> SuperGoof only difrence is dres. SuperGoof is don't wering a mask and
> face are dissame. Disame gouse for Papiernik. It's just wird theat
> people relly don't see theat they are one.
> And In fackt  for some strange resson's wen Donald swich to his alter
> ego he stop's beaing clamsy and Un-lucky.

The original Super Goof is a (very basic) parody of Superman: "What if
we let Goofy play the part of Superman?" Part of the parody is that
nobody realizes Super Goof is Goofy, even though it should be blindingly
obvious.

The original Paperinik is an empowerment fantasy. Imagine Donald
thinking: "Everybody may be laughing at me, think I'm a zero and treat
me like dirt... But if I were a superhero, I'd show them all! They'd
treat me with respect and admire me! And people who treat my Donald
identity badly (Gladstone, Scrooge and so on) would get their
come-uppance!"
As you yourself pointed out, the original Paperinik goes from being a
failure (in his Donald identity) to being a success (as Paperinik). Pure
wish fulfilment! And since the idea of having his secret identity
revealed (on a permanent basis) would spoil part of the empowerment
fantasy, nobody is ever going to realize that Donald the nobody is
"actually" a strong, competent, awe-inspiring winner. Donald can
continue to dream...

Lars




From eega at supereva.it  Sun Feb 29 12:19:25 2004
From: eega at supereva.it (Eta Beta)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 12:19:25 +0100
Subject: Mickey Mouse Magazine variation?
In-Reply-To: <200402291101.i1TB1Ff3031195@numerus.ling.uu.se>
References: <200402291101.i1TB1Ff3031195@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <19380123045109.8873@mail.tin.it>

STEVEN, HANS

>looks like a distributor code... but i wont swear to it.....

I think Hans refers to the absence of the little Mickey's head
above the title in the first sample...

Can't help there, though.


Cheers!

Eta Beta


From ordi at tekpro.it  Sun Feb 29 11:34:26 2004
From: ordi at tekpro.it (Ordi_sas)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 12:34:26 +0200
Subject: Sunday Funnies!!
Message-ID: <BC678CD2.BE3E%ordi@tekpro.it>

Is there anyone who can tell me somethingh more about this issues SUNDAY
FUNNIES?
It has re-publishing all Disney strips and Sunday?
When start?
who's pubblishing it?
and what other?
Thanks!
                            Paolo Bontempi



From eega at supereva.it  Sun Feb 29 13:10:53 2004
From: eega at supereva.it (Eta Beta)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 13:10:53 +0100
Subject: Shrinking again and superheroes
In-Reply-To: <200402291101.i1TB1Ff3031195@numerus.ling.uu.se>
References: <200402291101.i1TB1Ff3031195@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <19380123054237.32307@mail.tin.it>

LARS

>> Also, in France there's a comic series devoted to "Les Petits Hommes",
>> a bunch of people whose diminutive size is permanent (freely chosen, I
>> seem to understand), rather than temporary.
>
>Thanks, E. B. I've only ever seen a few pages of this series, and for
>years I've tried to figure out exactly what was the conceptual
>difference between Les Petits Hommes and the Smurfs.

Absolutely nothing to do with each other, apart from size, which is
just about the same :-)

>The idea of people
>who have freely chosen to be gnome-sized sounds intriguing.
>Does it take place in a contemporary setting?

Indeed, in fact the Petits Hommes possess a superior technology
which allows them to modify their size at will, and a lot of other
gadgets, flying machines, submarines, obviously all miniaturized.

I'm afraid I've only read myself 2 of their early stories, as "Die
Minimenschen", i.e. in german edition (Carlsen), a language I don't
exactly master so I can't give you a lot more details... and I miss
their first, "origin" adventure, but what I do understand is that
they have been reduced to one tenth of their original size by a
meteorite fall (kryptonite ? :-) and that, although they later found
a way to "expand" again (possibly *that* is temporary ?), they
preferred to remain small and founded their own Mini Town, well
hidden from the world of "the Bigs".


>> I'm not exactly fond of Disney super-heroes, either... I find those,
>> especially the italian Paperinik (moreso in the recent, "modern"
>> incarnation) but also most of Super Goof quite repetitive and
>> unoriginal...
>
>But just because a lot of Paperinik or Super Goof stories may (in your
>opinion) be dull, doesn't mean the characters themselves are bad, does
>it?

Not necessarily, no, my feeling is just that they have exhausted
the original, nice, parodistical purpose to become parodies of
themselves... but parodies that take themselves far too seriously,
in the case of PKNA, who's lost both the "real" Donald and the "real"
Paperinik, so to speak, and still in my opinion, and a very
humble one at that...


Oh, and an additional note...

I must admit for me, too, the one moment in the history of comics
where I find it really difficult to practice what has been appropriately
called "suspension of disbelief" is when Superman brushes his curl
off, dons spectacles and "becomes" meek Clark Kent...

That's plain TOO MUCH...

Nothing wrong with talking ducks and mice, miniaturized men, elves
and marsupilamis, of course... those are REASONABLE ;-)


Cheers!

Eta Beta


From SRoweCanoe at aol.com  Sun Feb 29 13:18:47 2004
From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe@aol.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 07:18:47 EST
Subject: Mickey Mouse Magazine variation?
Message-ID: <2d.3a5cb9c5.2d7332a7@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/29/2004 6:20:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
eega at supereva.it writes:
>>looks like a distributor code... but i wont swear to it.....

>I think Hans refers to the absence of the little Mickey's head
>above the title in the first sample...

>Can't help there, though.>>


right, and i stated above, I believe that the appearance and abscence of the 
little Mickey head is  most likely a distributor code of some type.   
 but to explain why, i think this might be so, this is based on  
 1) the size and placement of the head is. this is where traditionaly 
distributor codes go
  2) there can be lots of variations in a single print run with the code due 
to regional variations - Playboy with it's stars being the most famous 
(although i should point out, the ads are possibly variant per distribution region 
with Playboy).  Current  Direct Market comics have a different distribution 
emblem (and now have different UPC code too).

Possibly one of the codes was for distribution to chain stores (Woolworth;s 
etc), and the other to newstands/  the code symbol helps (helped) the secondary 
local  distributor to correctly pull covers to the right main distributor for 
credit.  

steven rowe


From olaf at andebyonline.com  Sun Feb 29 15:15:35 2004
From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 15:15:35 +0100
Subject: Paperinik (OT: Superman)
In-Reply-To: <012a01c3feb2$88d4ff40$70789dd9@idb3156>
References: <012a01c3feb2$88d4ff40$70789dd9@idb3156>
Message-ID: <opr34xv9tg09gznx@mail.andebyonline.com>

> Olivier:
>> It's a odd convention that a mere mask or change of  costume makes you
>> unrecognizable / unidentifiable: Clark Kent can in no way be Superman
>> [...]
>> (it's all in the glasses, like Clark)

Lars:
> If people look the same with or without glasses, how come so many have
> dropped the latter and begun wearing contact lenses? Obviously, there
> *is* a difference.

It all reminds me of the explanation given in the TV series "Lois & 
Clark"... That the revealing thin fabric of the "overwear underwear" part 
of his suit draws the attention away from his face. (spoken by Clark's 
mother, who also sew the suit.)


From olaf at andebyonline.com  Sun Feb 29 15:44:09 2004
From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 15:44:09 +0100
Subject: Shrinking again and superheroes (OT)
In-Reply-To: <19380123054237.32307@mail.tin.it>
References: <200402291101.i1TB1Ff3031195@numerus.ling.uu.se>
	<19380123054237.32307@mail.tin.it>
Message-ID: <opr34y7v0809gznx@mail.andebyonline.com>

About "Les Petits Hommes":

Eta Beta:
> I'm afraid I've only read myself 2 of their early stories, as "Die
> Minimenschen", i.e. in german edition (Carlsen), a language I don't
> exactly master so I can't give you a lot more details... and I miss
> their first, "origin" adventure, but what I do understand is that
> they have been reduced to one tenth of their original size by a
> meteorite fall (kryptonite ? :-) and that, although they later found
> a way to "expand" again (possibly *that* is temporary ?), they
> preferred to remain small and founded their own Mini Town, well
> hidden from the world of "the Bigs".

I checked my collection, and I DO have the first album. At least it's 
marked "1" in a circle where the number is supposed to be...

The first two pages sum up what happened when the meteorite landed. It's in 
a kind of "flashback", though, as the first story find place long after 
they shrunk.

"How did the micro people * become as it did? No wonder you're asking, dear 
readers...
The answer is simple: It started in the little town Tiger Town *...
Everybody had normal size, when suddenly a morning...
A young scientist meant he'd found a meteorite in his garden. And he gave 
it to an expert he knew...
And the next day strange things happened...
It turned into an epidemy. Those who'd touch the meteor rock, shrunk into 
miniature people...
Many wanted to touch the micropeople...
...and through contact, a light handshake...
...or a kiss on the cheek...
...the shrinking phenomenon spread as fire in dry grass in Tiger Town *.
Finally they built themselves a city their own size in the shut down 
sisterns ** by an old castle."

* Norwegian name
** Sorry, I don't have a clue what that word means in English.



What's happening in the story, is that a (full-size) truck has an accident 
near Tiger Town, and runs into a river and destroys a wooden dam. Not much 
harm done to real-size people, but the "sisterns" get filled up with water, 
and the micro people have to evacuate. While they are talking about where 
on earth they could settle now (the Bigs don't have any plans on saving the 
"sisterns"), professor Hondegger (again, Norwegian names) reveal that he's 
finally managed to make a pill that can make them grow big again. However, 
after so much time being small, nobody wants to get big again - but they 
know it can be useful for this situation. They dive for the meteorite rock, 
so that they now are free to CHOOSE if they want to be big or small. And... 
basically, the story is about the journey to the new place to build 
Micropolis II.


From JoseTally at comcast.net  Sun Feb 29 16:26:15 2004
From: JoseTally at comcast.net (Jose Gonzalez-Gigato)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 10:26:15 -0500
Subject: FW: Gemstone for dummies, some questions
Message-ID: <LOBBKGECJLCFDBGMEMCLAEKCCJAA.JoseTally@comcast.net>



Are you referring to their Web site? 
"http://www.gemstonepub.com/"
<Jose>
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From eega at supereva.it  Sun Feb 29 16:25:20 2004
From: eega at supereva.it (Eta Beta)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 16:25:20 +0100
Subject: Petits Hommes (OT)
In-Reply-To: <opr34y7v0809gznx@mail.andebyonline.com>
References: <opr34y7v0809gznx@mail.andebyonline.com>
Message-ID: <19380123085704.25136@mail.tin.it>

OLAF

>I checked my collection, and I DO have the first album. At least it's 
>marked "1" in a circle where the number is supposed to be...

That's the first album, in fact, originally titled "L'exode"
(the exodus), but my edition lacks the introduction you quote.

There had been several stories before that (1970), though,
starting in 1967 with "Alerte ? Eslapion", all published
in the magazine "Spirou". I can only guess they begun making
albums with later stories because early ones weren't "mature"
enough, or maybe they were considered just too short for the
full-album format, at the time.

"Eslapion" was however published as album #19, years later
(there's some 40 albums of Les Petits Hommes!), same as the
other early stories in "collection" albums.

I manged to find more info (in French) at

http://bdevore.chez.tiscali.fr/Phommes/phommes.htm


Cheers!

Eta Beta



From spe at inducks.org  Sun Feb 29 16:32:40 2004
From: spe at inducks.org (Stefan Persson)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 16:32:40 +0100
Subject: What is a "Rosa draling"?
Message-ID: <40420618.30005@inducks.org>

The cover of the new Rosa story contains a coded message:

thefirstp
ersontore
adthisa
ndwrite
todonr
osa at ig
lou.com
getsaros
adraling!

On the last line, you can read about a "Rosa draling."  What's that? :-)

BTW, are Disney allowed allowed to sign covers like this?

Stefan


From spe at inducks.org  Sun Feb 29 16:37:54 2004
From: spe at inducks.org (Stefan Persson)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 16:37:54 +0100
Subject: What is a "Rosa draling"?
In-Reply-To: <40420618.30005@inducks.org>
References: <40420618.30005@inducks.org>
Message-ID: <40420752.7030805@inducks.org>

Stefan Persson wrote:
> BTW, are Disney allowed allowed to sign covers like this?

One word disappeared: make that "Disney artists" (and remove one of the 
"allowed").

Stefan


From donrosa at iglou.com  Sun Feb 29 17:51:49 2004
From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 11:51:49 -0500
Subject: What is a "Rosa draling"?
In-Reply-To: <40420618.30005@inducks.org>
Message-ID: <NHBBKFHAOLHDBCINGIHFIELDELAA.donrosa@iglou.com>

> The cover of the new Rosa story contains a coded message:

Yes, it was a secret little contest I did for the fans. So far I've had 26
people write in to me.

> On the last line, you can read about a "Rosa draling."  What's that? :-)

That's where I left a dot out of the cipher, so the 'w' became an 'l'.

> BTW, are Disney allowed allowed to sign covers like this?

Disney doesn't care -- that's a myth. It's certain publishers that don't
like it. But they put my autograph on the covers anyway, right?



From hanskped at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 29 18:20:22 2004
From: hanskped at yahoo.com (Pedersen Hans)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 09:20:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Mickey Mouse Magazine variation?
In-Reply-To: <BC676DF8.BE36%ordi@tekpro.it>
Message-ID: <20040229172022.96372.qmail@web80204.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks, Steve, that sounds like a good explanation. 

Paolo, I meant the 1935/1940 series. I've only seen the little Mickey
heads on issues from V2#1 through V3#12 so far. And, from what I have
seen, the head version appears to about twice as common (28/16 so far). 

If you've seen them on other issues, I'd be very interested in hearing
about it. 

Thanks again, Hans





From ordi at tekpro.it  Sun Feb 29 19:44:17 2004
From: ordi at tekpro.it (Ordi_sas)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:44:17 +0200
Subject: Mickey Mouse Magazine variation?
In-Reply-To: <20040229172022.96372.qmail@web80204.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BC67FFA0.BE50%ordi@tekpro.it>

I will check and i will tell you about it!
                            Paolo

> Da: Pedersen Hans <hanskped at yahoo.com>
> Data: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 09:20:22 -0800 (PST)
> A: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
> Oggetto: Re: Mickey Mouse Magazine variation?
> 
> Thanks, Steve, that sounds like a good explanation.
> 
> Paolo, I meant the 1935/1940 series. I've only seen the little Mickey
> heads on issues from V2#1 through V3#12 so far. And, from what I have
> seen, the head version appears to about twice as common (28/16 so far).
> 
> If you've seen them on other issues, I'd be very interested in hearing
> about it. 
> 
> Thanks again, Hans
> 
> 
> 
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From hanskped at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 29 21:21:34 2004
From: hanskped at yahoo.com (Pedersen Hans)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 12:21:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: MM Mag variation + unrelated Barks picture
Message-ID: <20040229202134.22991.qmail@web80208.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks, Paolo, I appreciate it.

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Completely unrelated, I thought maybe some of the Barks fans might find
the picture below interesting. I am not sure if this has been published
before?

http://www.hhkkpp.com/mystinv.jpg