From Anthvvuono at aol.com  Thu Jul  1 06:21:22 2004
From: Anthvvuono at aol.com (Anthvvuono@aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 00:21:22 EDT
Subject: New Gemstone Rosas?
Message-ID: <ba.59ebc489.2e14eb42@aol.com>

Dear Don Rosa,
       I know that Chapter 10B and the "Quest for Kalevala" will be coming 
out soon in America. Other than those stories, has Todd Klein started lettering 
any of your more recent works for publication in Gemstone comics? Also, have 
you finished that neverending Brazilian story yet? Will that most likely come 
out by Christmas?
Sincerely,
Anthony
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From mickey at iol.it  Thu Jul  1 09:21:56 2004
From: mickey at iol.it (Mickey)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 09:21:56 +0200
Subject: DCML Digest  Issue 31
References: <NHBBKFHAOLHDBCINGIHFCEOGFMAA.donrosa@iglou.com>
Message-ID: <008401c45f3c$17672a50$d6183152@computer>

>I have now been officially invited (and have accepted) to be in Athens on
November 1 - 4, 2004

If I come deliberately for you from Italy, would I come back home with a
drawing of yours in my hands? ^_-

Mickey



From donrosa at iglou.com  Thu Jul  1 14:04:40 2004
From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 08:04:40 -0400
Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 17, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <200407011001.i61A10cq023298@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <NHBBKFHAOLHDBCINGIHFKEAEFNAA.donrosa@iglou.com>


> From: Anthvvuono at aol.com
> Subject: New Gemstone Rosas?
> I know that Chapter 10B and the "Quest for Kalevala" will
> be coming
> out soon in America. Other than those stories, has Todd Klein
> started lettering
> any of your more recent works for publication in Gemstone comics?

??? What could be more recent than two that have not yet been published? Are
you asking if he's lettering any more beyond those two stories? I don't
think they have their schedule planned out that far, but he is apparently
wanting to letter more of my work when they decide to use it.

> Also, have
> you finished that neverending Brazilian story yet?

NO! This week I had to stop to write texts for the 2005 DON ROSA CALENDARs
and to draw a new PICSOU pin-up! I hope to finish the Brazil story this
month!

> Will that most
> likely come
> out by Christmas?

 It usually takes 6 months for something to see print after I send it in, so
I guess that will be next year.

From: "Mickey" <mickey at iol.it>
Subject: Re: DCML Digest  Issue 31
>>>If I come deliberately for you from Italy, would I come back home with a
drawing of yours in my hands? ^_-

I wish I could guarantee that! But when somebody else is running the show, I
must do as they direct. If the crowds are too big, I won't be able to do
drawings. If the crowds are manageable, I will gladly do drawings for anyone
who asks. But if the Greek publisher has some odd reason that he wants
NOBODY to have a drawing even if there's time (and in the past sponsors have
decided that for reasons of their own), I'll hafta do as they say (though
I'll certainly gripe at 'em). But one good way to handle crowds and still do
drawings for a few people is to have the people who want a drawing *get back
to the end of the line* and come through a second time -- that way, I don't
spend time doing too many drawings such that time will run out and there
would be some folks who would not even get a signature. I did it this way at
the various 4-5 hour long signing sessions during my Scandinavian tour last
month. The most important thing is that everyone gets *something*, and the
autographs come first, I think.



From arthur at wolfstad.com  Thu Jul  1 14:56:40 2004
From: arthur at wolfstad.com (arthur@wolfstad.com)
Date: 1 Jul 2004 12:56:40 -0000
Subject: Discovery Channel to raise boat with ping pong balls
Message-ID: <20040701125640.10259.qmail@ns1.webmasters.com>

Hi all,

On the television show Mythbusters, that runs on Discovery Channel in the US and Canada, each week special-effects experts Adam Savage and Jamie Hyneman take on three myths and use modern-day science to show you what's real and what's fiction.

On an upcoming episode that is now in post-production and will probably be aired at the end of this year, the makers of the show use 60,000 ping pong balls to try and raise a 24-foot sailboat! This, of course, was first done by Donald Duck in 1949 in the classic Carl Barks story "The Sunken Yacht" in Walt Disney's Comics and Stories 104.

If you don't mind to be spoiled I found the following article on the web where you can read about if they succeeded or not: http://www.montereyherald.com/mld/montereyherald/news/8954923.htm

You can find more information about the TV show Mythbusters and when the "Ping Pong" myth episode will air at: http://dsc.discovery.com/fansites/mythbusters/mythbusters.html

Kind regards,

Arthur
DCW: http://www.wolfstad.com/dcw

From kimba1962 at comcast.net  Thu Jul  1 16:13:20 2004
From: kimba1962 at comcast.net (kimba1962@comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 14:13:20 +0000
Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 16, Issue 30 (Vacation Time)
Message-ID: <070120041413.21998.40E41C00000A2D23000055EE2200748184CDC0C7CE0E0D030705@comcast.net>

Derek Smith wrote:

<<I just read "Vacation Time" by Carl Barks in Vacation Parade 2004. I hadn't 
read it before so it was a treat to me. I think it might be one of the best 
Barks ever did. The story was funny and serious at various points. I think the 
best scene in the whole story was the last panel of page 29 with Donald looking 
at the fire's destruction. The story showed how responsibile, etc. Donald can 
be when the situation calls for it. Vacation Time is the type of story I think 
I'll read again and again occasionally to recall how good it is. 
For those who have read the story, what do you think of it?>>
A really, really excellent story, one of Barks' finest.  It's a great example of how a story can teach a meaningful lesson without being preachy or overly didactic.  Donald's directions to HD&L on how to avoid being killed by the fire are tossed off naturally as part of the flow of the narrative.  It's so easy to imagine this sequence coming off like an extended version of "Donald Duck Tells About Kites" in lesser hands.  Rather than creating the spokescritter Smokey Bear, as the U.S. Forest Service did about that time, the USFS should have seriously considered distributing THIS story to campers and park visitors as an illustration of how (and how NOT) to camp.
Others have remarked on the high level of Barks' artwork and unusual panel design in this story.  Barks apparently put quite a lot of thought into how to arrange the various oddly shaped panels.  This was most unusual for him, as he generally stuck to a conventional layout and concentrated on what was INSIDE the panels.  One might regard "Vacation Time" as presaging Barks' bolder artistic approach of the early 50s, wherein he started to use human characters in supporting roles and otherwise lift his stories out of what would then have been considered the "conventional" channels of relating a "funny animal" adventure.  Of course, he eventually got slapped down on the issue of using humans, but "Vacation Time" nonetheless stands as something of a modest declaration of artistic independence.
Chris Barat
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From adelmkhan at hotmail.com  Thu Jul  1 21:27:06 2004
From: adelmkhan at hotmail.com (Adel Khan)
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 13:27:06 -0600
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From adelmkhan at hotmail.com  Thu Jul  1 21:34:38 2004
From: adelmkhan at hotmail.com (Adel Khan)
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 13:34:38 -0600
Subject: "Somwhere in Nowhere" 
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From arthur at wolfstad.com  Thu Jul  1 23:07:48 2004
From: arthur at wolfstad.com (Arthur de Wolf)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 23:07:48 +0200
Subject: Barks panels used in national Dutch high school exam
Message-ID: <200407012108.i61L8VSs017565@smtp-out1.xs4all.nl>

Hi all,
 
The 2004 chemistry exam for the MAVO high schools in the Netherlands, which
was given on the 3th of June, contained seven questions about several panels
from Carl Barks' The Mad Chemist (WDC 44, 1944). It showed the first four
panels of the second page of the story. 
 
The questions were about the chemical formulas in the panels, the measuring
cups that are shown, the substances 'gesmoorde zwavel' ('braised brimstone')
and 'gestoofde vitriool' ('stewed sulphur') and about which safety
precautions Donald should have taken when doing the experiments in the
fourth panel.
 
The last question mentions that Donald mumbles about CH2 in the 1944 story,
yet the particle (?) with formula CH2 wasn't actually discovered until 1959.
 
If you're interested in seeing the exam you can download it as a PDF from:
http://www2.citogroep.nl/vo/ex2004/400009-1-585-540o.pdf
 
Kind regards,
 
Arthur
DCW: http://www.wolfstad.com/dcw



From Ola.Martinsson at ericsson.com  Fri Jul  2 10:41:30 2004
From: Ola.Martinsson at ericsson.com (Ola Martinsson)
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 10:41:30 +0200
Subject: The black knight glorps again, Does the hook actually work as you
 show Don ?
In-Reply-To: <200407011001.i61A10cr023298@numerus.ling.uu.se>
References: <200407011001.i61A10cr023298@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <40E51FBA.4000705@ericsson.com>

Hi Don !

I've read the first part of your new story and so far I like it. There 
however is one detail that I'm wondering about. Note that I'm not trying 
to tell you that you have committed an error. I don't care if you do. 
But since you are so thorough with your details, I hope that you can 
explain this to me.

******* SPOILER WARNING ************






When Lutin falls by slipping on the carpet he is catched by the hook. 
But wouldn't he swing around in a circular movement around the point 
where the hook is hooked to the floor so that he would glorp the floor 
from underneath where the hook is so it would in fact become loose again 
and he would continue to fall ?

Ola in a rainy Stockholm +13



From danshane at bellsouth.net  Fri Jul  2 12:48:47 2004
From: danshane at bellsouth.net (Dan Shane)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 06:48:47 -0400
Subject: Smokey and the Ducks
In-Reply-To: <200407021001.i62A1Kcp000442@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <20040702104833.LWQD1776.imf18aec.mail.bellsouth.net@DSHANELT>



CHRIS WRITES:

> Rather than creating the spokescritter Smokey Bear, as the U.S. Forest
> Service did about that time, the USFS should have seriously considered
> distributing THIS story to campers and park visitors as an illustration of
> how (and how NOT) to camp.

AND I RESPOND:

Hey, don't be dissin' on my bro' Smokey!

I agree that VACATION TIME would have made an excellent handout then (and
still would now), but Smokey has proved an excellent spokesbear for the
Forestry Service.  I could wish that the USFS had approached the publishers
for Barks' help in developing a crossover story with Donald and Smokey -- I
think such an idea would be fun.

I haven't read VACATION TIME for many years, so I don't recall if Barks uses
a discarded cigarette as a firestarter, but Smokey has always warned us of
the dangers of smoking in the woods along with carefully neutralizing our
campfires.  It's a fact that most of the preventable forest fires are
started by careless smokers, and I suppose Disney wouldn't even allow
someone to be shown smoking in a comic these days.  After all, Pecos Bill is
known to have given it up in the DVD release of MELODY TIME.

Dan



From donrosa at iglou.com  Fri Jul  2 13:44:45 2004
From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 07:44:45 -0400
Subject: DCML Digest  Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <200407021001.i62A1Kcq000442@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <NHBBKFHAOLHDBCINGIHFEEBPFNAA.donrosa@iglou.com>


> From: Ola Martinsson <Ola.Martinsson at ericsson.com>
> I've read the first part of your new story and so far I like it. There
> however is one detail that I'm wondering about.
> ******* SPOILER WARNING ************
> When Lutin falls by slipping on the carpet he is catched by the hook.
> But wouldn't he swing around in a circular movement around the point
> where the hook is hooked to the floor so that he would glorp the floor
> from underneath where the hook is so it would in fact become loose again
> and he would continue to fall ?

No, because if that happened, the story wouldn't work.
But that's why the hook was so large with a wide radius from point to its
base -- it extended out far enough that if he swung backwards, he wouldn't
glorp that spot where the hook point was lodged. Also, I think I mentioned
somewhere (or it's just something *I* know), when he's falling through those
floors, he's not falling at full speed, he's being slowed down *a bit* by
the brief moments that the Omnisolve(tm) takes to dissolve the concrete...
that's why he wasn't killed when he fell 10 floors onto that pile of
diamonds in the original story. So he would not spin very much when the hook
dug into something... mostly just hang there.
But... I dunno, I couldn't experiment...



From jani1993 at hotmail.com  Fri Jul  2 15:19:26 2004
From: jani1993 at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?B?SmFuaSBK5HJ2aW5lbg==?=)
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 16:19:26 +0300
Subject: (no subject)
Message-ID: <BAY9-F15olkmZMIzD0H000451e0@hotmail.com>

Ho is read "Quest for Kalevala"? I dont like that storie so match, but I am 
Finnish. It`s too... I dont no, but it?s need somehting. Somehting... good.

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From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com  Sun Jul  4 02:21:36 2004
From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 20:21:36 EDT
Subject: FCBD 2004 Gemstone Issue/Miky Mysterio
Message-ID: <140.2d77b5ad.2e18a790@aol.com>

Hi all!

Well I got my copy of Gemstone's offering for Free Comic Book Day. One thing 
that struck me about the 'Riddle of the Red Hat' is that it really (to me) 
doesn't look like it was drawn by Barks. I know it was, but my eyes couldn't 
really detect his style/way of doing things. After seeing Paul Murry's first story 
in Vacation Parade, I think it was for the best that Barks was a Duck and not 
a Mouse artist. His art for Red Hat seems basically like anything you'd 
encounter in a regular Mouse story of the 1940's/50's. The art wasn't bad by any 
means, but there wasn't anything that made it stand out either. As for the story 
itself, it's pretty good, a bit better than the average Mouse story I think.

As for the second story "Second Richest Duck" I, like many here, have read 
the story before. I read it again today, hasn't changed any, still great as 
ever. Not much more to be said on that account.

All in all, I think Gemstone's FCBD offering this year, measures up pretty 
well to 2003's offering of Maharajah Donald, etc.

Question to Gary Leach: I've been reading at Arthur's DCW about Miky 
Mysterio, an Italian comic magazine that was around for a few years in the mid 1990's 
and was revived in Greece  in 2002. It's basically Mickey being a detective, 
etc. with the stories apparently being rather well done in comparison to a lot 
of stories in that genre. I was wondering if Gemstone had any plans on 
printing some of those stories? Perhaps in MMA? The Greek magazine is 100 pages long, 
but I don't know if the stories themselves are of suitable length to be 
included in MMA.

Derek Smith
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From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com  Sun Jul  4 02:39:57 2004
From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 20:39:57 EDT
Subject: X Mickey-Gary Leach, etc.
Message-ID: <11a.344c5ba7.2e18abdd@aol.com>

I meant to put this in my least email with my question to Gary about Miky 
Mysterio. But another Mickey series I thought of is the Italian comic 'X Mickey'. 
It's sort of detective stories, except it's more involved with Mickey 
investigating monsters, weird stuff, etc. Some surreal stuff it seems. Apparently, 
its stories are well-thought of as well. 

To Gary: Basically the same question I had about Miky Mysterio, any plans on 
printing stories from X Mickey? Each issue has a long story and a short one. 
Based on the stuff you've printed in DDA (like Lars Jensen's stories, for 
example), it seems like X Mickey would be great for MMA.

And to all DCMLers who have read stories from Miky Mysterio and X Mickey, 
what did you think of them?

Derek Smith
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From lgiver at pacbell.net  Sun Jul  4 11:13:54 2004
From: lgiver at pacbell.net (Larry Giver)
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 02:13:54 -0700
Subject: Barks' "Vacation Time" story
Message-ID: <6.0.0.14.1.20040704013620.01d0ac98@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>

      Does anyone know how Barks came up with the idea for Donald and HDL
to bury themselves (pages 27-28) before the forest fire reaches them?
It's interesting that Dewey suggested they get in the creek's water (page 25,
panel 7) to escape the fire, but Huey thought the water would get too hot,
and they would "be boiled like eggs".
      This story predates HDL joining the Junior Woodchucks, so they can't
consult the guidebook, or do any quick calculations to determine if the
water would indeed get too hot to survive during the fire, as they could in
later stories.  Dewey thought it was a good idea, but Huey didn't;
both just had conflicting ideas of their own, and they had to defer to
Donald's judgement.  I expect that after surviving the fire being "nearly
steamed away" underground (page 29, panel 5), Dewey must have
stopped at the creek to see how hot the water got, and if his idea would
have been a better plan.
      Now what's the better idea in real life?  Here in the San Francisco Bay
area of California, about 10 years ago the huge Oakland Hills fire
destroyed about 3000 houses and apartments.  Most people escaped the
area of the fire; some of the people trapped in the area of the fire saved
themselves uninjured by getting in a swimming pool while houses, trees,
and buildings burned up around them.  Lots of these houses and
apartment groups had swimming pools.  The water didn't heat up
significantly.  I didn't read any news reports of anyone burying himself
to survive the fire.
				------------Larry Giver.



From lpj at forfatter.dk  Sun Jul  4 14:01:12 2004
From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen)
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 14:01:12 +0200
Subject: Miky Mysterio/Mickey Mystery
Message-ID: <004601c461be$9c2ea680$cc779dd9@idb3156>

Derek Smith wrote:

> I've been reading at Arthur's DCW about Miky Mysterio [...]

The Mickey Mystery stories were made in Denmark in the early '90s,
written by Bob Langhans, Elizabeth Rowe, Janet Gilbert, Stefan Petrucha,
Dave Rawson etc. Artists were Joaquín, Miguel, Xavi, Cardona, Bancells
and the Jaime Diaz Studio. You can find a list of the stories here:

http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/comp2.php?
lg=0&default_o=1&ser=Mickey+Mystery

> And to all DCMLers who have read stories from Miky Mysterio and X
> Mickey, what did you think of them?

I've never seen a single panel from X Mickey, so I can't comment on that
series. (Although it does sound interesting...) I remember being pretty
impressed by the Mickey Mystery book back when, to the point that I
tried to start up a complete collection. Sadly, distribution of it was
unreliable in my area, and after missing out on several issues I dropped
it.

Still, as I remember it, the stories were perfectly fine Mouse stories,
as long as you like Mickey in the role of tough detective. Don't go
looking for, say, the fun of the 1930s Gottfredson strip. And, if I
remember correctly... Be prepared to see the Phantom Blot horribly
miscast as a wanna-be conqueror of the world!

Lars




From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com  Mon Jul  5 00:01:29 2004
From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 18:01:29 EDT
Subject: FCBD 2004 Gemstone Issue/Miky Mysterio 
Message-ID: <84.2d68ee12.2e19d839@aol.com>

Adel sent me this email, but it looks like he meant it for the DCML itself.
--------------------------------------


Hi all,

Gemstone Publishing is doing a great job.

I hope they reprint old stories by Paul Murry, Tony Strobl, Vic Lockman.

The downside is they don"t reprint Carl barks material its bassically a 
tenpager.

One issue they should reprint the best stories of Carl Barks and Don Rosa.

That way we don"t spend money one issue .

I would like to see more Paul Murray and Floyd Goddferdson stuff for Comics 
And Stories.

Adel
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From fernandopventura at uol.com.br  Mon Jul  5 05:30:10 2004
From: fernandopventura at uol.com.br (Fernando Ventura)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 00:30:10 -0300
Subject: Janet Gilbert - interview
Message-ID: <014001c46240$62110c90$da2efea9@homec8hf7h1aac>

For those who can read portuguese, I did a little interview with Janet
Gilbert. You can read it here:
http://hometown.aol.com.br/Animainfo/principal.html

If someone wants to read the original text, I can also send the english
version to DCML! ;-)

Fernando!




From chilbig1 at satx.rr.com  Mon Jul  5 13:17:56 2004
From: chilbig1 at satx.rr.com (Chris Hilbig)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 06:17:56 -0500
Subject: Miky Mysterio/Mickey Mystery
Message-ID: <F7330E63-CE74-11D8-A502-000502CD2D4C@satx.rr.com>

I've seen some art from Mickey X, and I can say I was quite impressed 
with both art and color. Disney Publishing Italy can really produce 
quality work. Plus, I would kill to see a detective series featuring 
Mickey here state-side. I haven't seen any of the Miky Mysterio 
stories, but if any of them were at least reprinted by Gemstone in the 
upcoming MMA book, I'd love to check it out.

Lars wrote:

"Be prepared to see the Phantom Blot horribly
miscast as a wanna-be conqueror of the world!"

That's the trouble with the Blot, not everyone that writes a Blot story 
either doesn't really get or respect him. So either the story turns out 
really good or really cheesy. (I don't think I'm allowed to use the 
other "C" word here :P) Instead of treating the Blot as a criminal 
mastermind, whose goals of power and wealth are achieve in a methodical 
fashion, he is treated as if he were a goofy caricature of a criminal 
mastermind.  It would break my heart to see the Blot as any type of 
wanna-be.

Getting back to my point, reprints in English of either book would be 
great to see.


Chris Hilbig



From lpj at forfatter.dk  Mon Jul  5 13:42:31 2004
From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 13:42:31 +0200
Subject: Janet Gilbert - interview
Message-ID: <002601c46285$ccca5100$3f749dd9@idb3156>

Fernando Ventura wrote:

> If someone wants to read the original text, I can also send the
> english version to DCML!

Yes, please do. My knowledge of Portuguese is pretty much non-existent.
(I got as far as "Maga Patalógika" before I gave up.)

And are Janet and Michael Gilbert wearing *fish* on their heads in those
photos?

Lars




From lpj at forfatter.dk  Mon Jul  5 14:03:35 2004
From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 14:03:35 +0200
Subject: Miky Mysterio/Mickey Mystery
Message-ID: <003901c46289$5aaf5c60$3f749dd9@idb3156>

Chris Hilbig wrote:

> "Be prepared to see the Phantom Blot horribly
> miscast as a wanna-be conqueror of the world!"
>
> It would break my heart to see the Blot as any type of wanna-be.

Well, almost all world conquerors are wanna-bes. Dr Vulter, Darkseid,
Olrik... They never quite get there, do they?

What I'm objecting to is the "conqueror of the world" part of it. In my
opinion, the Blot shouldn't want to conquer anything. Having him want to
do so, goes against the whole point of him having been created: To be
mysterious.

Lars




From miguelf at airtel.net  Mon Jul  5 14:19:37 2004
From: miguelf at airtel.net (Miguel Fernandez)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 14:19:37 +0200
Subject: Miky Mysterio/Mickey Mystery
References: <004601c461be$9c2ea680$cc779dd9@idb3156>
Message-ID: <008e01c4628a$5961d850$2101a8c0@p4>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lars Jensen" <lpj at forfatter.dk>
To: "Disney Comics Mailing List" <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 2:01 PM
Subject: Miky Mysterio/Mickey Mystery



The Mickey Mystery stories were made in Denmark in the early '90s,
written by Bob Langhans, Elizabeth Rowe, Janet Gilbert, Stefan Petrucha,
Dave Rawson etc. Artists were Joaqu?n, Miguel, Xavi, Cardona, Bancells
and the Jaime Diaz Studio. You can find a list of the stories here:


Yes Lars, you?re right, thanks...



We really enjoied that production, especially the ?film noir? atmosphere,
some of the stories were really great, and full of mystery! At that time,
Joaquin and me were workin? at our studio, and we had some good times with
the Mystery series... Some of the scripts were fantastic; I still recall
some great stories: The Caller, The Fireman, The Roman Puzzle... Attractive
plots and surprising finals... and a lot of text! ;-)



Now some funny ?backstage? story: It was so fun to follow the plot and try
to guess who on earth was the guilty, that I used to take a fast look to the
whole script just to check the different characters and environments, but I
never didn?t wanted to read the final part, so, most of times I was workin?
on the script wonderin? who the guilty was, trying to find it out by
myself... Too bad a few times I had to go back just to rearrange somethin?!
I specially remember The Hooded Eagle... There were a lot of suspicious
characters appearing all along the story... Finally, the ?bad one? begun to
take off mask after mask... I think that man was wearing seven masks at
time, a kind of human onion, the hard part was to go back on the whole story
to rearrange all those characters, I designed all of them with different
physical constitutions and body shapes.... Drat! Amazing end! Pretty good
lesson for an artist, you know!



I think Mickey Mystery was a great series, let?s hope someday they decide to
restart it again...! I think there were a lot of fans in some countries...



MIGUEL FERN?NDEZ



Ps.- I hope I did it right, it?s just the first time I try to write here,
although I like to read all posts daily...








From henleyrd at graduate.uwa.edu.au  Mon Jul  5 07:50:07 2004
From: henleyrd at graduate.uwa.edu.au (Rodney Henley)
Date: Mon,  5 Jul 2004 13:50:07 +0800
Subject: PKNA
Message-ID: <1089006607.40e8ec0f3d61d@webmail.graduates.uwa.edu.au>

Hi All,

I'm a frequent reader of the DCML via the archive but not a poster.
Talking of Gemstone reprints, along with Derek I've wondered about the Mickey 
Mystery Magazine and would like to see them. Also what about the PKNA 
stories, from what I've seen these look very different, would anyone recommend 
them?

Rod



From xephyr at cwnet.com  Mon Jul  5 19:38:48 2004
From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich)
Date: Mon,  5 Jul 2004 19:38:48 +0200 (MSZ)
Subject: My wish-list for Gemstone
Message-ID: <20040705173848.2134FB4019@limicola.its.uu.se>

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From: shadz at email.com (Shad Z.)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 11:23:00 -0700
Subject: September 2004 TokyoPop Disney Comic Previews
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From shadz at email.com  Mon Jul  5 20:29:05 2004
From: shadz at email.com (Shad Z.)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 11:29:05 -0700
Subject: Redan Disney Princess Magazine issue 6, volume 2 (July/August 2004)
Message-ID: <20040705182905.7BF881535EC@ws3-1.us4.outblaze.com>

The new issue of the US version of Disney Princess Magazine is out.  And numbering is back!  And story codes have changed back to a simpler format (when the appear)....

Here's the comics stories that appeared in this issue:

1) PRE 11209, 4 pages, 2-tier, Cinderella: "Princess Midnight"
No Credits   
Description: Cinderella helps an amnisiac princess reunite with her family and boyfriend.
Characters include Cinderella, Prince Charming and the Fairy Godmother.

2) no code, 3 pages, 3-tier, Pocahontas: "The Lost Valley"
No Credits   
Description: Pocahontas must journey to the Lost Valley to retrive the herbal cure to a colonist's fever.
Characters include Pocahontas, Meeko, Flit and John Smith.

By the way, I finally figured out why the comics in this magazine are captions only, with no word balloons (like Prince Valiant)... It is so it is easer to read the comics to someone else (like a parent reading to a child).  At least, that's my guess.

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From raptus at stofanet.dk  Mon Jul  5 21:23:39 2004
From: raptus at stofanet.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Krarup_Olesen?=)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 21:23:39 +0200
Subject: My wish-list for Gemstone
In-Reply-To: <20040705173848.2134FB4019@limicola.its.uu.se>
References: <20040705173848.2134FB4019@limicola.its.uu.se>
Message-ID: <40E9AABB.1030108@stofanet.dk>

RICH:

> We need more grand Mickey stories!

Absolutely, Rich. And I was so happy to read your mail. Nice to get
confirmed that Disney comics is not only about the colours of money
bills, sizes of one famous money bin, Uncle Scrooge only and which
rotation pattern his enemy might take being undermined by a carpet.

Luckily, the Universe is wider than this :-)

S?ren



From danshane at bellsouth.net  Mon Jul  5 21:57:29 2004
From: danshane at bellsouth.net (Dan Shane)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 15:57:29 -0400
Subject: Ducks only on DCML?
In-Reply-To: <200407051925.i65JOwcp031611@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <20040705195712.LRRD1781.imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net@DSHANELT>

SOREN WRITES:

> Nice to get
> confirmed that Disney comics is not only about the colours of money
> bills, sizes of one famous money bin, Uncle Scrooge only and which
> rotation pattern his enemy might take being undermined by a carpet.
> 
> Luckily, the Universe is wider than this :-)

AND I RESPOND:

And it always has been.  I have noticed no dearth of comments about Mickey
Mouse stories on DCML, so I'm puzzled about your perspective on the Duck
topics.  Did you miss all the recent requests for Gottfredson and Murry
Mickeys in the past few weeks, as well as the discussions about the Mickey's
constant use of magic to resolve storylines?

I'm not a big Mouse fan, but I read these posts with interest and respect
for those who follow the adventures of Mickey and his pals.  I don't
begrudge them their space on DCML to analyze and hypothesize about the
rodent universe.  Having RIDDLE OF THE RED HAT made available for free has
given them new fodder for discussion.

Are you suggesting that DCML has been nothing but Ducks lately?  Your e-mail
server must have lost quite a few digests over the past few weeks.

Dan



From paolo at papersera.net  Mon Jul  5 23:03:10 2004
From: paolo at papersera.net (Paolo Castagno)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 23:03:10 +0200
Subject: [OT] Archontis and all the other Greek on the list...
Message-ID: <ONECLJBFBOBOCKFBBDNFOEOEDDAA.paolo@papersera.net>

My congratulations for your success in the European football
championship!

Unexpected and amusing, I'd say!

  - Paolo

http://www.papersera.net     mailto:paolo at papersera.net



From paolo at papersera.net  Mon Jul  5 23:03:11 2004
From: paolo at papersera.net (Paolo Castagno)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 23:03:11 +0200
Subject: R: Janet Gilbert - interview
In-Reply-To: <014001c46240$62110c90$da2efea9@homec8hf7h1aac>
Message-ID: <ONECLJBFBOBOCKFBBDNFAEOFDDAA.paolo@papersera.net>

Hello!

(Janet Gilbert interview):
> http://hometown.aol.com.br/Animainfo/principal.html
>
> If someone wants to read the original text, I can also
> send the english version to DCML! ;-)

Well, I think you should... or at least provide a link where you
can put the english version (if you need a website where upload
this, you can contact me to put it on Papersera)

Ciao,

  - Paolo

http://www.papersera.net     mailto:paolo at papersera.net



From fernandopventura at uol.com.br  Mon Jul  5 23:23:14 2004
From: fernandopventura at uol.com.br (Fernando Ventura)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 18:23:14 -0300
Subject: Janet Gilbert - English Version
Message-ID: <020301c462d6$4b327d60$da2efea9@homec8hf7h1aac>

Dear friends,

Here it's the english original version!

Paolo, you can use the pictures I provide to Sandra's
(http://hometown.aol.com.br/animainfo/janet.html) on the Papersera if you
want! :)

Fernando!
P.S: Michael and Janet have very funny fish hats! Eh, eh, eh!
_____________________________
Fernando Ventura - Can you tell us about your early projects and about the
period you started writing Disney stories?

Janet Gilbert - I started writing Disney stories in 1990 for Disney
Adventures, a digest-sized magazine here in the States. My very first story,
"Mrs. Beakley's Secret Love," was drawn by the great Italian artist Giorgio
Cavazzano. But at that time I'd never heard of him!

FV - What's the sensation of having seen your stories drawn by so many
different artists? Which Egmont Disney artists you admire the most?

JG - It's always fascinating to see how each artist interprets the picture
descriptions. Sometimes the story looks just as I'd imagined it, and
sometimes it looks completely different! I admire all the Egmont artists,
but Vicar has a special place in my heart. He's drawn over 10,000 pages of
comics, yet still manages to keep his work fresh and interesting. Branca
really appeals to my "wacky" side, as does his proteg?, Wanda Gattino. And
Mar?a Jos? Sanchez (also known as Nu?ez) does a wonderful job with the
Beagles. Her art just keeps getting better and better!

FV - It's been ten years since your famous Donald Duck's 60th comemorative
story (There's No Fool Like An Old Fool) has been published, drawn by
Giorgio Cavazzano. What's the origin of that project? Would you like to see
your stories drawn by artists with such different graphic styles, just like
italian and brazilian ones?

JG - That story had a crazy origin. An Egmont editor called and asked if I
could write a long, long story for Donald's birthday . . . and have it
finished in a month. That was a very stressful 31 days, for sure! Now the
Danes have just republished that story for Donald's 70th birthday.

I love the Italian/Brazilian Disney style! The art has so much energy!

FV - What's your favorite character (not only Disney)?

JG - I'm a big fan of the old Popeye comic strips, written and drawn in the
1930s by E.C. Segar. Other favorites are the Moomins, from the Finnish
children's books by Tove Jansson and Freddy the Pig, a series of American
children's books from the 1950s.

As for Disney, Donald's the man, er, I mean, duck! Add to that all the
characters from Lilo and Stitch, but especially Lilo.

FV - Is there is any character you would like to work with but didn't have a
chance yet? What's easier? Writing duck or mice stories?

JG - I'd love to write a Z? Carioca story with a great big part for Rosinha.
She's definitely the cutest "chick" in the Disney universe!

For me, writing about Donald and crew is much easier than writing about
Mickey - and much, much more fun.

FV - Do you have a favorite Donald Duck Cartoon? Would you like to see your
stories adapted to the animation screens?

JG - Though I loved the DuckTales series, I'm not a huge fan of the early
Donald cartoon shorts.  I often wish I were writing for animation,
especially when I'm struggling to show an action scene in just a few panels.
Sometimes I also wish each comic could include a CD with background music
for each story. Hmmm, would Donald's theme song be grand opera . . . or
heavy metal?? Yep, it would be great to see some of my stories adapted for
animation.

FV - Who is Donald Duck for you? How would you describe him?

JG - Donald is lazy, bad-tempered, egotistical, silly, stupid, clumsy . . .
yet still completely lovable. Sometimes he's even brave. And despite all of
his troubles, travails and major injuries, he keeps on going - which is a
good lesson for the rest of us!

FV - In your stories the characters are usually dealing with bizarre and
unexpected situations. UFO's apparitions, for instance, are usual on you
scripts. What's your influences for this kind of scripts? Your husband,
Michael Gilbert, is also an Egmont's Disney comics writer. Have you guys
ever worked on a script together?

JG - I was an art student in college, so my story ideas usually start with a
visual of some sort. For instance, I once imagined Donald getting thrown out
of a "living" chair. From that image came a story called "The Sit-Down
Strike," in which all the furniture in Duckburg goes on strike. But mostly I
just like to write about weird, silly stuff that the artists can go wild
with!

Michael and I have worked on only one story together for Disney, but we
often discuss our story ideas and get feedback from each other. Back in the
80s, we collaborated on quite a few stories for his superhero character Mr.
Monster, who is the world's greatest monster-fighter.





From longtom at oeste.com.ar  Mon Jul  5 23:29:13 2004
From: longtom at oeste.com.ar (Fabio Blanco)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 18:29:13 -0300
Subject: welcome back, me
Message-ID: <002201c462d7$1fa7d540$010a0a0a@fabio>

that's me... 
I am receiving again my mail from this group... what's up?

I was reading a lot of Don Rosa comics... on the Picsou and online... I really love this duckman's work more and more every time. 
Super Snooper strikes again, WHADDALOTAJARGON...  l love the way Donald love and raise the nephews... 

Don Rosa, everybody !

FABIO

bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar

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From longtom at oeste.com.ar  Tue Jul  6 00:12:25 2004
From: longtom at oeste.com.ar (Fabio Blanco)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 19:12:25 -0300
Subject: Janet Gilbert - English Version
References: <020301c462d6$4b327d60$da2efea9@homec8hf7h1aac>
Message-ID: <005001c462dd$277cc7c0$010a0a0a@fabio>

I loved the interview, Fernando... Obrigado!

FABIO




> Dear friends,
> 
> Here it's the english original version!




From longtom at oeste.com.ar  Tue Jul  6 09:34:28 2004
From: longtom at oeste.com.ar (Fabio Blanco)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 04:34:28 -0300
Subject: A letter from home - resource?
References: <020301c462d6$4b327d60$da2efea9@homec8hf7h1aac>
	<005001c462dd$277cc7c0$010a0a0a@fabio>
Message-ID: <001101c4632b$ae36ff80$010a0a0a@fabio>


 http://www.tartans.scotland.net/index.cfm

I am reading "A letter from  home" (I didn't find the first part "Crown of
the Crusader Kings" ) and I amazed to find the villains had a tartan
registry... So I search one in internet... helas...

enjoy!

FABIO
from McPerro's Clan :-P

bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar







From chilbig1 at satx.rr.com  Tue Jul  6 14:51:06 2004
From: chilbig1 at satx.rr.com (Chris Hilbig)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 07:51:06 -0500
Subject: PKNA
Message-ID: <25BADE9E-CF4B-11D8-AEF7-000502CD2D4C@satx.rr.com>

Rod,

  You're right about the style of art being slightly different. Plus the 
PK series takes place in a more futuristic Duckburg. But if you want to 
check PK, I recommend you visit the PKERs fansite. 
<http://pk.immaginario.net/index/index.htm> It's in both English and 
Italian and has quite a bit of information. Click on Translations and 
you'll find a couple of issues of PKNA translated to English. I'm not 
all that much a SCI-FI fan, buy the few translations I've read are 
pretty well written. But the only issues I see with Gemstone reprinting 
PK material is that it pretty much deviates from the rest of the known 
Duck Universe in relation to Barks/Rosa (that might matter to some 
purists), and has a slightly different target audience. (A niche of a 
niche.) Also, from what I've read, Disney Italy restarted the PK 
"universe/storyline/whatever" with a second, more mature series (On the 
level of DC and Marvel).  That might confuse some people, because in 
the second series they rearrange and rename some characters, etc. On 
top of that Gemstone couldn't publish PK material with out having to 
restart in the same manner as Disney Italy. (Maybe they could skip the 
first series and jump straight into the second. I don't know.) None the 
less, PK has been quite popular in Italy and has two titles dedicated 
to him, PK3 and Paperink. I also remember Disney Adventures doing their 
own version of PK (Duck Avenger). It wasn't as good as what the 
Italians produced. But it's also archived on the PKERs site, so you can 
judge it for yourself.

Have fun,

Chris Hilbig



From spe at inducks.org  Tue Jul  6 15:13:12 2004
From: spe at inducks.org (Stefan Persson)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 15:13:12 +0200
Subject: PKNA
In-Reply-To: <25BADE9E-CF4B-11D8-AEF7-000502CD2D4C@satx.rr.com>
References: <25BADE9E-CF4B-11D8-AEF7-000502CD2D4C@satx.rr.com>
Message-ID: <40EAA568.1070801@inducks.org>

Chris Hilbig wrote:
> But if you want to 
> check PK, I recommend you visit the PKERs fansite. 
> <http://pk.immaginario.net/index/index.htm>

Disney Italia also has a Paperinik web site: 
http://www.disney.it/Publishing/pkmagazine/ (only in Italian).

> That might confuse some people, because in the 
> second series they rearrange and rename some characters, etc.

Rearranged, yes.  Renamed, no.

>  I also remember Disney Adventures doing their own version of
> PK (Duck Avenger). It wasn't as good as what the Italians produced. But 
> it's also archived on the PKERs site, so you can judge it for yourself.

Where on that site?

Stefan


From vidar-svendsen at c2i.net  Tue Jul  6 17:37:09 2004
From: vidar-svendsen at c2i.net (Vidar Svendsen)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 17:37:09 +0200
Subject: A letter from home - resource?
In-Reply-To: <001101c4632b$ae36ff80$010a0a0a@fabio>
References: <020301c462d6$4b327d60$da2efea9@homec8hf7h1aac>
	<005001c462dd$277cc7c0$010a0a0a@fabio>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20040706173639.00c1a5a0@popw.c2i.net>

At 04:34 06.07.2004 -0300, you wrote:

>  http://www.tartans.scotland.net/index.cfm
>
>I am reading "A letter from  home" (I didn't find the first part "Crown of
>the Crusader Kings" ) and I amazed to find the villains had a tartan
>registry... So I search one in internet... helas...

Couldn't find the McDuck tartan, though....
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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"Nothing travels faster than the speed of light
with the possible exception of bad news,
which obeys its own special laws."



From bangfish at cableone.net  Tue Jul  6 18:24:33 2004
From: bangfish at cableone.net (Gary Leach)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:24:33 -0700
Subject: X Mickey
In-Reply-To: <200407041000.i64A0Kcp000713@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <F71DA14C-CF68-11D8-B4F8-000393C28E48@cableone.net>

Derek,

> To Gary: Basically the same question I had about Miky Mysterio, any 
> plans on printing stories from X Mickey? Each issue has a long story 
> and a short one. Based on the stuff you've printed in DDA (like Lars 
> Jensen's stories, for example), it seems like X Mickey would be great 
> for MMA.

At present, we have no plans to publish any stories from any specific 
Italian series. However, I imagine we will eventually get around to 
using stories from them.

Gary
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From longtom at oeste.com.ar  Tue Jul  6 22:03:34 2004
From: longtom at oeste.com.ar (Fabio Blanco)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:03:34 -0300
Subject: A letter from home - resource?
References: <020301c462d6$4b327d60$da2efea9@homec8hf7h1aac><005001c462dd$277cc7c0$010a0a0a@fabio>
	<5.1.0.14.1.20040706173639.00c1a5a0@popw.c2i.net>
Message-ID: <001201c46394$51e83aa0$010a0a0a@fabio>

> Couldn't find the McDuck tartan, though....

LOL! you seached? (me too) 

FABIO

bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar




From timoro at hotmail.com  Tue Jul  6 22:21:50 2004
From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 23:21:50 +0300
Subject: Classic Literature parodies of Topolino
Message-ID: <BAY2-F16cxYROypGvCk0005a317@hotmail.com>

Hi

I need some help of our Italian members. I know Guido Martina used correct 
prosody in  his parodies of classic Italian literature, Tasso's Gerusalemme 
Liberata (Paperopoli Liberata), Dante's Inferno (Inferno d'Topolino). He 
used archaic language and metrical form of ottava rima used at that time. 
How about Luciano Bottaro in his version of Orlando Furioso (Paperin 
Furioso)? Finnish translation has no trace of poetic language. It's plain 
straightforwad prose and normal dialogue all the way. How is it in original?

best wishes
Timo



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From lpj at forfatter.dk  Wed Jul  7 00:22:48 2004
From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 00:22:48 +0200
Subject: Janet Gilbert - English Version
Message-ID: <00b301c463ab$2e952420$47749dd9@idb3156>

Fernando Ventura wrote:

> Here it's the english original version!

Thanks, Fernando. Very interesting.

> JG - I'd love to write a Zé Carioca story [...]

Wouldn't we all?   :-)

Lars




From chilbig1 at satx.rr.com  Wed Jul  7 12:28:06 2004
From: chilbig1 at satx.rr.com (Chris Hilbig)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 05:28:06 -0500
Subject: PKNA
In-Reply-To: <40EAA568.1070801@inducks.org>
Message-ID: <55994C4A-D000-11D8-A298-000502CD2D4C@satx.rr.com>

Stefan,

The PKER's is the same as in my post <http://pk.immaginario.net/>. To 
save you some trouble finding the Duck Avenger story published in 
Disney Adventures. 
<http://pk.immaginario.net/index/speciale/pkamerica/index_e.htm> They 
kindda have it burried.

Have fun,

Chris Hilbig



On Tuesday, July 6, 2004, at 08:13  AM, Stefan Persson wrote:

> Stefan



From psersimmon at eega.net  Wed Jul  7 13:20:23 2004
From: psersimmon at eega.net (Eta Beta)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 13:20:23 +0200
Subject: Classic Literature parodies of Topolino
In-Reply-To: <200407071001.i67A1Dcp010898@numerus.ling.uu.se>
References: <200407071001.i67A1Dcp010898@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <19380601045207.10599@mail.tin.it>

Hi Timo!

>How about Luciano Bottaro in his version of Orlando Furioso (Paperin 
>Furioso)? Finnish translation has no trace of poetic language. It's plain 
>straightforwad prose and normal dialogue all the way. How is it in original?

It's prose, but not "modern" Italian. Very simplistically, the language
used in those stories by Chendi & Bottaro is sort of a parody of the
"aulic" Italian used by, for instance, the already quoted Torquato Tasso,
and is said to have inspired the dialogues of the very famous (in Italy,
at least) Brancaleone movies series, starring the late, great Vittorio
Gassman.

See also:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060125/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0065489/


Cheers!

Eta Beta


From timoro at hotmail.com  Wed Jul  7 23:06:39 2004
From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen)
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 00:06:39 +0300
Subject: Classic Literature parodies of Topolino
Message-ID: <BAY2-F19hyiqLQxDqoN00020892@hotmail.com>

Hi!

Thanks for the answer.

>the language
>used in those stories by Chendi & Bottaro is sort of a parody of the
>"aulic" Italian

I haven't seen this term "aulic" too often, and to be honest, I don't know 
exactly what it means. I know that Dante was analyzing and studying Italian 
dialects and Latin in order to find a perfect language for poems. Ideal 
language should have four basic features: it must be "eminent, cardinal,  
aulic and courtly." And as there is no such language, it should be created 
by poets and used by them in their literature works. I pressume it must be 
something "noble" and "declamatory". But did they (Chendi & Bottaro) use 
rhymes? (well, with rhymes it wouldn't be prose?)

>Brancaleone movies series, starring the late, great Vittorio

Haven't seen or heard of these. "Surrealistic medieval comedy"? How would 
you describe these films? Montypythonian?

Timo

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YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- -
20540 Turku ------------------- -
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From timoro at hotmail.com  Wed Jul  7 23:18:12 2004
From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen)
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 00:18:12 +0300
Subject: L'inferno di Topolino reprints?
Message-ID: <BAY2-F42PfMSb91Cnq30008d342@hotmail.com>

Hello

I'd like to have this book: Le Grandi Parodie Disney # 65 or any recent 
reprint of L'inferno di Topolino. In exchange I could give Swedish or 
Norwegian edition of Scarpa Hall of Fame book or then plain cash.

Best Wishes
Timo


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From psersimmon at eega.net  Thu Jul  8 00:41:53 2004
From: psersimmon at eega.net (Eta Beta)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 00:41:53 +0200
Subject: Classic Literature parodies of Topolino
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-F19hyiqLQxDqoN00020892@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY2-F19hyiqLQxDqoN00020892@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <19380601161337.27029@mail.tin.it>

Timo,

>>the language
>>used in those stories by Chendi & Bottaro is sort of a parody of the
>>"aulic" Italian
>
>I haven't seen this term "aulic" too often, and to be honest, I don't know 
>exactly what it means.

Aulic = of or relating to a court/aula, from the Greek aule + ikos

It defines a type of language used by nobles and other high rank people,
very elaborate, formal and "learned", as opposed to the "vulgar" spoken
by commoners, but it also extends, in modern use, to describe something
obsolete and pretentious.

>But did they (Chendi & Bottaro) use 
>rhymes? (well, with rhymes it wouldn't be prose?)

No, in fact. It's declamatory, but not rhyming.

>>Brancaleone movies series, starring the late, great Vittorio Gassman
>
>Haven't seen or heard of these. "Surrealistic medieval comedy"? How would 
>you describe these films?

Uhm... side-splitting funny ? :-)

>Montypythonian?

Well, no, not really... it's a "simpler" kind of humour... what these
movies have in common with the Monty's "Holy Grail" is the historical
settings and the way characters speak their own dialects (or, rather,
with heavy accents), with the exception of the protagonist, a knight
(a rather unfortunate one, at that) and other high rank characters,
who speak said aulic Italian.

I think every Italian and their dogs have seen these movies some ten
times AND own a tape of them... I sure do :-)

Unfortunately, there don't seem to be foreign editions of them, not
even with just subtitles (translation would be a nightmare, and it
probably wouldn't work anyway).


Cheers!

Eta Beta


From arthur at wolfstad.com  Thu Jul  8 22:28:16 2004
From: arthur at wolfstad.com (Arthur de Wolf)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 22:28:16 +0200
Subject: Comic shops in Rome
Message-ID: <200407082028.i68KSULL099627@smtp-out1.xs4all.nl>

Hi,
 
There's a long list of comic shops in Rome on this page:
http://www.iafol.org/editori/fumetterie_pr.html
 
I'm looking for good second-hand Italian comics, like PK, I Maestri Disney,
Zio Paperone, collector albums, etc.
 
Which shops in Rome are good for that, and what are generally the opening
hours of these stores?
 
Thanks,
Arthur
 
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From lpj at forfatter.dk  Sat Jul 10 23:01:10 2004
From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 23:01:10 +0200
Subject: Il Gatto
Message-ID: <004e01c466c1$55ee0500$a7779dd9@idb3156>

Hi everyone.

I was looking around in Inducks and came across an old Italian Disney
character called Il Gatto:

http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/character.php/0/Il+Gatto/1 .

Apparently, this "crooked, catfaced newspaper reporter" was used in the
late 1930s -- and then prettty much forgotten about.

Does anybody know more about this guy? Why has he never been brought
back (except for that 1994 story, where I suspect he made only a cameo)?
And is there a picture of him somewhere on the Net?

Lars




From timoro at hotmail.com  Sun Jul 11 13:31:21 2004
From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 14:31:21 +0300
Subject: Il Gatto
Message-ID: <BAY2-F23ghXCIdQQaXZ000a743a@hotmail.com>

Hi!

I couldn't find any pic, so I scanned one:

http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/IlGatto.jpg

Best
Timo

^^''*''^^
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YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- -
20540 Turku ------------------- -
Finland ----------------------- -
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?? Personal:
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.................................
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>From: "Lars Jensen" <lpj at forfatter.dk>
>To: "Disney Comics Mailing List" <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
>Subject: Il Gatto
>Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 23:01:10 +0200
>
>Hi everyone.
>
>I was looking around in Inducks and came across an old Italian Disney
>character called Il Gatto:
>
>http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/character.php/0/Il+Gatto/1 .
>
>Apparently, this "crooked, catfaced newspaper reporter" was used in the
>late 1930s -- and then prettty much forgotten about.
>
>Does anybody know more about this guy? Why has he never been brought
>back (except for that 1994 story, where I suspect he made only a cameo)?
>And is there a picture of him somewhere on the Net?
>
>Lars
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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From dve at kabelfoon.nl  Sun Jul 11 14:19:10 2004
From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 14:19:10 +0200
Subject: Site with original Barks art
Message-ID: <20040711121359.D7539319394@pelian.kabelfoon.nl>

Hi!

This site contains several pieces of original Barks art:

http://www.orgcomicart.com/

--- Dani?l



From NHH at ra.sa.dk  Mon Jul 12 10:01:11 2004
From: NHH at ra.sa.dk (Niels Houlberg Hansen)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 10:01:11 +0200
Subject: Deborah Compagnoni/Paperino e la torta nevosa
Message-ID: <4C7F3CA00894D711A1AE0090279A6A630ECCB5@RASRV-EXC.sa.dk>

Hello everyone.

According to INDUCKS the Donald Duck story "Paperino e la torta nevosa"
(1998) was written by one Deborah Compagnoni:
http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/creator.php/0/Deborah+Compagnoni/1
Does anyone know if she is identical to the succesful skier (Olympic Gold
Medals etc.) with the same name?
I know that other Italian celebreties (e.g. the soccer player Gianluca
Vialli) appeared as guest-writers in the mid 1990s so it could be a part of
that series.
Thank you.

Kind regards,
Niels


From longtom at oeste.com.ar  Mon Jul 12 20:45:40 2004
From: longtom at oeste.com.ar (Fabio Blanco)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:45:40 -0300
Subject: The Duck Who Never Was 
References: <4C7F3CA00894D711A1AE0090279A6A630ECCB5@RASRV-EXC.sa.dk>
Message-ID: <000601c46840$6ecc60a0$010a0a0a@fabio>

I read this fabulous story in Picsou, i loved the references to Frank Capra,
etc. But I can't understand the principal detail: the real age of Donald
Duck in that comic. He is not really 70 in that Barksian realm of the
fifties... isn't?

FABIO

bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar




From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr  Mon Jul 12 21:20:27 2004
From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 21:20:27 +0200
Subject: The Duck Who Never Was 
References: <4C7F3CA00894D711A1AE0090279A6A630ECCB5@RASRV-EXC.sa.dk>
	<000601c46840$6ecc60a0$010a0a0a@fabio>
Message-ID: <001a01c46845$4a3c1460$bcab7c52@computer>

Hi everyone!


Fabio:
>>>> I read this fabulous story in Picsou, i loved the references to Frank
Capra,
>>>> etc. But I can't understand the principal detail: the real age of
Donald
>>>> Duck in that comic. He is not really 70 in that Barksian realm of the
>>>> fifties... isn't?

>From DD # 586 (Sept '94), p 2 of  the story:
panel 6, Donald fills his birthday on the form-- "month: 09" "day: 06"
panel 8, the short-sighted museum head of personnel mistakenly holds the
paper upside down and reads "This bottom entry... it says that you're SIXTY
YEARS OLD!", and accordingly offers Donald a gold watch "as a token of  your
many... MINUTES with us!"
The man visits Donald at his home at the end to give him back his job, as
"it turns out *65* is the retirement age!"
Playing on the agelessness of  comics characters, Don Rosa has Daisy scream
in surprise "you're *60*?! EEEK!", and Gladstone teasingly calls for extra
candles on the cake. The joke enables Don to conclude with all th characters
wishing Donald a "Happy 60th Birthday, Donald Duck!!!"
Nicely handled.

Let's see now... Ah yes, PM changed the panel & translation: panel 8 p 2,
where the man peers over the upside-down paper (in the original script, ie),
instead of  "90 / 60", he reads "1934", right side up, and rightly concludes
Donald is 70. Consequently, the story now depicts Donald as really being 70,
with the date explicitly given, when in fact Don was careful not to mention
any date at all, thus sustaining the suspension of  time regarding aging
that characterizes most comics.
At the end of  the story, PM's translator/editor awkwardly has the man say
"*70* is the retirement age! But since you are only 70..." -- which doesn't
make any sense at all; naturally, they could hardly have him say the
retirement age is 80.

That's what happens when you try to tamper with a text when translating it,
regardless of  a pun it hinges around.


Have a nice summer, all of  you! I am staying here and will keep reading.


Olivier




From longtom at oeste.com.ar  Mon Jul 12 23:24:07 2004
From: longtom at oeste.com.ar (Fabio Blanco)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:24:07 -0300
Subject: The Duck Who Never Was 
References: <4C7F3CA00894D711A1AE0090279A6A630ECCB5@RASRV-EXC.sa.dk><000601c46840$6ecc60a0$010a0a0a@fabio>
	<001a01c46845$4a3c1460$bcab7c52@computer>
Message-ID: <000d01c46856$90d26440$010a0a0a@fabio>

> Let's see now... Ah yes, PM changed the panel & translation: panel 8 p 2,
> where the man peers over the upside-down paper (in the original script,
ie),
> instead of  "90 / 60", he reads "1934", right side up, and rightly
concludes
> Donald is 70. Consequently, the story now depicts Donald as really being
70,
> with the date explicitly given, when in fact Don was careful not to
mention
> any date at all, thus sustaining the suspension of  time regarding aging
> that characterizes most comics.

Yes I think the problem was the translation, very very thanks... I loved
that story... I like Don Rosa comics more and more everyday.

thanks again,
FABIO

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From cord at wiljes.de  Tue Jul 13 01:04:36 2004
From: cord at wiljes.de (Cord Wiljes)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:04:36 +0200
Subject: second wave of German editions of the Disney Treasures DVDs
Message-ID: <20040712230440.1C3E234C047@p15137393.pureserver.info>

The second wave of German editions of the Disney Treasures DVDs is
scheduled for the end of this month (July 2004):

Volumes:
+ Mickey in Color Vol 2
+ Donald Duck

Features:
+ languages German, English, Spanish, Italian 
+ without the tin box
+ not limited
+ only EUR 13,99 = US$17,- (!)

Please find more info here: 
http://www.dcml-talk.org/read.php?f=1&i=236&t=175

Cord




From donrosa at iglou.com  Tue Jul 13 07:03:46 2004
From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:03:46 -0400
Subject: "The Duck Who Never Was"
Message-ID: <NHBBKFHAOLHDBCINGIHFKEFAFOAA.donrosa@iglou.com>

From: Olivier (mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr)
Subject: Re: The Duck Who Never Was
 >>>>From DD # 586 (Sept '94), p 2 of  the story:
panel 6, Donald fills his birthday on the form-- "month: 09" "day: 06"

This story was plagued by translator errors on its first go-around 10 years
ago, and the situation is only worse now when they are reusing it
improperly!
Naturally, my original script had the form being filled out correctly --
"month: 06" and "day: 09". Also, later in the story, I had Gus Goose
chalking a Duck Family Tree onto a wall with himself and $crooge in the
proper positions, but every single international version of the story had
the names reversed when added by the local translator. In fact, these two
errors were so universal, that it seems the errors must have been at the
main Egmont office when they created the text version of the script from my
storyboard-script. (But still, even if that's the case, and disregarding the
inconsequential position of Gus or $crooge on that chalked Family Tree...
when it's being so thoroughly discussed and covered by Disney's and the
publishers' publicity engines that DD's birthday is *June 9* and *not*
"Sept. 6", how could all of those translators and editors have not realized
that they had an error in their script?!)
It would be so easy to reuse this story properly -- all the editors would
have to do is say "here is Don Rosa's 60th Anniversary Donald Duck story
from 10 years ago" and use the correct script, rather than trying to rewrite
an unchangeable script and ending up a mess like they did in that new
PICSOU. I understand that my wise friends at ZIO PAPERONE did it properly.
They may have done it properly in at least some of the Egmont DD 70th
Birthday hardbacks that came out last month, but I can't read them.
But perhaps this story is cursed to involve errors? I must point out that
the comic you refer to should be DD #286, not #586. And I failed to remember
to put the dedication in the first panel of the art!



From donrosa at iglou.com  Tue Jul 13 07:20:50 2004
From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:20:50 -0400
Subject: "The Duck Who Never Was" curse
Message-ID: <NHBBKFHAOLHDBCINGIHFCEFBFOAA.donrosa@iglou.com>

Even my ML message is cursed with errors.
I did not mean to say that I could not *read* the new Egmont DD 70th
Birthday books that reprint my 60th Birthday story -- after all, even though
that's quite true, the translator errors would be easy for me to spot since
they actually occur in simple words added to the "art" rather than into
balloons. What I meant to say is that I don't know if the errors exist in
those books because *I don't HAVE* any copies of them yet.
What reminded me of this error was that I see that in today's load of mail
were copies of the Swedish version of this very book! And as we would all
expect, I can see that Stefan Dios' script is correct -- even if the errors
were in the original Egmont script, Stefan would be one translator who would
naturally spot them easily and correct them!



From tim.otterburg at epfl.ch  Tue Jul 13 12:49:52 2004
From: tim.otterburg at epfl.ch (Tim Otterburg)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 12:49:52 +0200
Subject: Gemstone e-mail adress
Message-ID: <00a401c468c7$208479f0$45afb280@avance>

Hello,

could anybody send me a valid e-mail adress to contact someone at Gemstone, please.
The contact adress they have on their webpage (<gjudy at gemstonepub.com>) doesn't seem to be working,
since I always get an error message back...

Thanks a lot,

Tim
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From thomas at duckburg.dk  Tue Jul 13 21:22:15 2004
From: thomas at duckburg.dk (Thomas Pryds Lauritsen)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:22:15 +0200
Subject: "The Duck Who Never Was"
In-Reply-To: <NHBBKFHAOLHDBCINGIHFKEFAFOAA.donrosa@iglou.com>
References: <NHBBKFHAOLHDBCINGIHFKEFAFOAA.donrosa@iglou.com>
Message-ID: <40F43667.5080903@duckburg.dk>

Don Rosa wrote:

 > From: Olivier (mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr)
 > Subject: Re: The Duck Who Never Was
 >  >>>>From DD # 586 (Sept '94), p 2 of  the story:
 > panel 6, Donald fills his birthday on the form-- "month: 09" "day: 06"
 >
 > This story was plagued by translator errors on its first go-around 10 
years
 > ago, and the situation is only worse now when they are reusing it
 > improperly!

Then you'd probably like to hear that the whole date dialogue was 
translated correctly (according to Olivier's citations) at least in one 
place: Recently a 110 page hardcover book carrying 8 stories was 
published in Denmark, each of the stories representing its own decade 
from the 30es to the 90es + "a new century". "The Duck Who Never Was" 
represented "a new century", which is strange since it was made in the 
90es and it mentions Donald "being" 60 years old which was relevant in 
the 90es. But the important thing is that they didn't try to change 60 
into 70 or mention any years or the like.

 > Also, later in the story, I had Gus Goose
 > chalking a Duck Family Tree onto a wall with himself and $crooge in the
 > proper positions, but every single international version of the story had
 > the names reversed when added by the local translator.

Oh, and this seems to be correct, too, when comparing with your Duck 
Family Tree poster.

 > [...] that DD's birthday is *June 9* and *not*
 > "Sept. 6", how could all of those translators and editors have not 
realized
 > that they had an error in their script?!)

This is only guessing, but perhaps the fact that one writes a date on 
the form "day - month" in many European countries played a role?

 > It would be so easy to reuse this story properly -- all the editors would
 > have to do is say "here is Don Rosa's 60th Anniversary Donald Duck story
 > from 10 years ago" and use the correct script

This was what they did in Denmark (and probably the other Scandinavian 
countries, too).

Thomas

-- 
Thomas Pryds Lauritsen
http://www.cs.aau.dk/~pryds/


From lpj at forfatter.dk  Tue Jul 13 23:54:12 2004
From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 23:54:12 +0200
Subject: Il Gatto
Message-ID: <001401c46926$00a98580$27779dd9@idb3156>

Timo Ronkainen wrote:

>> I was looking around in Inducks and came across an old Italian Disney
>> character called Il Gatto [...]
>
> I couldn't find any pic, so I scanned one [...]

Thanks, Timo. Appreciate it.

Does nobody else have any information on this character?

Lars




From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr  Wed Jul 14 02:27:37 2004
From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 02:27:37 +0200
Subject: "The Duck Who Never Was" - my own typos
References: <NHBBKFHAOLHDBCINGIHFKEFAFOAA.donrosa@iglou.com>
Message-ID: <006c01c46939$5deecd00$75a57c52@computer>

Don:

>>>> Naturally, my original script had the form being filled out
correctly --
>>>> "month: 06" and "day: 09".

Something sounded wrong somehow when I typed this but I couldn't figure
what, and I must confess I replied in a  hurry. This is indeed the way it is
printed in Gladstone's DDA 286 (*2*, not *586*, as you corrected).


>>>>Also, later in the story, I had Gus Goose chalking a Duck Family Tree
>>>>onto a wall with himself and $crooge in the
>>>> proper positions, but every single international version of the story
had
>>>> the names reversed when added by the local translator.

PM got it right, like Gladstone. I have followed Gus' explanation on the
tree. As for other translators, they may have considered the tree started
from the top, from the arrow.


>>>> It would be so easy to reuse this story properly -- all the editors
would
>>>> have to do is say "here is Don Rosa's 60th Anniversary Donald Duck
story
>>>> from 10 years ago" and use the correct script, rather than trying to
rewrite
>>>> an unchangeable script and ending up a mess like they did in that new
>>>> PICSOU.

Exactly. Imagine changing the dates in every quotation from any literary
work just so you could quote a text on the date you like?


>>>>And I failed to remember to put the dedication in the first panel of the
art!

It would sound very smart if  you explained you did it on purpose-- "The
Dedication That Never Was".   ; ) It must have been an unconscious smart
move.



Olivier




From donrosa at iglou.com  Wed Jul 14 06:48:18 2004
From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:48:18 -0400
Subject: "The Duck Who Never Was" 
Message-ID: <NHBBKFHAOLHDBCINGIHFGEHAFOAA.donrosa@iglou.com>

From: Thomas Pryds Lauritsen (thomas at duckburg.dk)
Subject: Re: "The Duck Who Never Was"
  > [...] that DD's birthday is *June 9* and *not*
 > "Sept. 6", how could all of those translators and editors have not
realized
 > that they had an error in their script?!)
>>>This is only guessing, but perhaps the fact that one writes a date on
the form "day - month" in many European countries played a role?

I'm not sure how -- I am aware of that difference in how dates are written,
so my script called for each line to be clearly labeled with the words "DAY"
and "MONTH"... and I inked the numbers of "06" & "09" into the lines on the
original art. It was the placement of those added labels that was always
reversed by the local publishers... the same way that "$crooge" and "me" are
always reversed later in the chalked Family Tree. As I say, I suspect the
error was in Egmont's typed-up script, but the reversed date is such an
obvious error, especially when the whole point of the promotion is that
Donald's "birthday" is June 9. I don't know how that mistake could be made
without being caught by someone. Even if the mistake had been in my original
script (and I've certainly had errors in my scripts!), somebody should have
spotted it. But I am referring to 10 years ago, because........

 > It would be so easy to reuse this story properly -- all the editors would
 > have to do is say "here is Don Rosa's 60th Anniversary Donald Duck story
 > from 10 years ago" and use the correct script
>>>This was what they did in Denmark (and probably the other Scandinavian
countries, too).

And it's interesting that I mentioned those DD's 70th hardbacks and said
that I didn't know how the story was handled therein, because that very day
I received the Swedish edition and today I received the Norwegian... and I
see the story is correctly handled in both. And now you are saying that the
Danish edition used it properly as well. Very good! Thanks!

>>>"The Duck Who Never Was"
represented "a new century", which is strange since it was made in the
90es and it mentions Donald "being" 60 years old which was relevant in
the 90es.

That is rather odd... but I guess they wanted to use that story, and they
had to have *me* be the representative of "the new century" since I am the
"new guy" among all the featured artists.



From donrosa at iglou.com  Wed Jul 14 14:41:04 2004
From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:41:04 -0400
Subject: "curse of the error-plagued story"
In-Reply-To: <200407141001.i6EA1Rcq012482@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <NHBBKFHAOLHDBCINGIHFGEHLFOAA.donrosa@iglou.com>

"...so my script called for each line to be clearly labeled with the words
"DAY"
and "MONTH"... and I inked the numbers of "06" & "09" into the lines on the
original art."

More "curse of the error-plagued story".
Now I'm making it sound like *I* had the error in my storyboard-script,
which I didn't!
I should have written:
"...so my script called for each line to be clearly labeled with the words
"DAY"
and "MONTH"... and I inked the numbers of "09" & "06" into the lines on the
original art."



From thomas at duckburg.dk  Wed Jul 14 15:38:07 2004
From: thomas at duckburg.dk (Thomas Pryds Lauritsen)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:38:07 +0200
Subject: "The Duck Who Never Was"
In-Reply-To: <NHBBKFHAOLHDBCINGIHFGEHAFOAA.donrosa@iglou.com>
References: <NHBBKFHAOLHDBCINGIHFGEHAFOAA.donrosa@iglou.com>
Message-ID: <40F5373F.7060900@duckburg.dk>

Don Rosa wrote:
>>"The Duck Who Never Was"
>> represented "a new century", which is strange since it was made in the
>> 90es and it mentions Donald "being" 60 years old which was relevant in
>> the 90es.
> 
> That is rather odd... but I guess they wanted to use that story, and they
> had to have *me* be the representative of "the new century" since I am the
> "new guy" among all the featured artists.

Yes, probably "the guy" (or the work of "the guy" in general) more than 
"the story" was the representative. In the book Vicar represented the 
90es, and in a situation where I had to place you and Vicar in the 
categories "the 90es" and "the new century" I think I'd done likewise. 
Although we saw your Lo$ series and many other stories in the 90es, we 
were presented with a *huge* number of good-quality stories drawn by 
Vicar. There were probably not many weeklies that didn't have a story 
drawn by either Vicar or Branca during the entire decade. And being 
representative of "the new century" is probably not so bad either, eh? 
(I guess they expect to see more from you in the future :-)

Thomas

-- 
Thomas Pryds Lauritsen
http://www.cs.aau.dk/~pryds/


From stravis at gemstonepub.com  Wed Jul 14 19:08:47 2004
From: stravis at gemstonepub.com (Travis Seitler)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:08:47 -0400
Subject: (Current) Gemstone e-mail addresses
Message-ID: <3D1ED5F134E5764BAB6AAA851602164C0325A7EE@dntapps.diamondcomics.com>

== Tim Otterburg <tim.otterburg at epfl.ch> asked: ==
could anybody send me a valid e-mail adress to contact someone at Gemstone,
please.
The contact adress they have on their webpage (< gjudy at gemstonepub.com>)
doesn't seem to be working,
since I always get an error message back...
======

Tim,

I apologize for this oversight on our end. It sounds like the person you
should e-mail is Angie Meyer (mangie at diamondcomics.com).

Thank you for bringing this to our attention - I'll make sure the website is
updated to reflect this change. Below are the e-mail addresses currently
printed in Gemstone's books:


ADVERTISING
Sara Ortt
ads at gemstonepub.com

SUBSCRIPTIONS / BACK ISSUES
Angie Meyer 
mangie at diamondcomics.com

LETTER COLUMNS
Donald Duck and Friends / Donald Duck Adventures: dd at gemstonepub.com
Mickey Mouse and Friends: mm at gemstonepub.com 
Uncle Scrooge: us at gemstonepub.com
Walt Disney Comics and Stories: wdcs at gemstonepub.com


Hope that helps!
Travis Seitler
Art Director, Disney Comic Books
Gemstone Publishing
stravis at gemstonepub.com

"A man should never neglect his family for business." - Walt Disney


From frspreaf at tin.it  Wed Jul 14 21:28:01 2004
From: frspreaf at tin.it (Francesco Spreafico)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:28:01 +0200
Subject: Deborah Compagnoni/Paperino e la torta nevosa
References: <4C7F3CA00894D711A1AE0090279A6A630ECCB5@RASRV-EXC.sa.dk>
Message-ID: <02ad01c469d8$d51c7180$5f6a1e97@versi>

Niels Houlberg Hansen wrote:

> Does anyone know if she is identical to the succesful skier (Olympic Gold
> Medals etc.) with the same name?
> I know that other Italian celebreties (e.g. the soccer player Gianluca
> Vialli) appeared as guest-writers in the mid 1990s so it could be a part
> of that series.

You're right, it is.

-- 
Francesco
[http://www.dimensionedelta.net/scarpa/]



From Danehog at aol.com  Thu Jul 15 08:59:20 2004
From: Danehog at aol.com (Danehog@aol.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 02:59:20 EDT
Subject: Gemstone To Publish WDC&S Reprints?
Message-ID: <d6.f46282e.2e278548@aol.com>

Hi. Just a quick question.

Does Gemstone really plan to start publishing reprints of the entire run of 
WDC&S, starting with the first issue? It seems like I vaguely remember the 
subject being discussed shortly before the June 2003 relaunch of WDC&S and Uncle 
Scrooge.

I'm not trying to ask an impossible question that no one knows the answer to 
or has yet decided to reveal, but I'm curious as to whether the WDC&S reprints 
were even really an issue that was discussed or even considered. I think 
maybe I read about it in an interview, possibly on the pop culture Web site IGN.

I don't know.

Any efforts to put me back on my rocker (as the Cool Kids say) would be 
appreciated.

Thanks!
-- 
Dane

(And this poses a new question which has probably been discussed on this list 
already. If this reprint venture were to become a reality, could Gemstone 
publish the stories that feature characters exclusively for the features, or, for 
that matter, Floyd Gottfredson strips?)
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From NHH at ra.sa.dk  Thu Jul 15 14:23:50 2004
From: NHH at ra.sa.dk (Niels Houlberg Hansen)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:23:50 +0200
Subject: Deborah Compagnoni/Paperino e la torta nevosa
Message-ID: <4C7F3CA00894D711A1AE0090279A6A630ECCBD@RASRV-EXC.sa.dk>

Niels Houlberg Hansen wrote:
> Does anyone know if she is identical to the succesful skier (Olympic Gold
> Medals etc.) with the same name?
> I know that other Italian celebreties (e.g. the soccer player Gianluca
> Vialli) appeared as guest-writers in the mid 1990s so it could be a part
> of that series.

Francesco Speafico wrote:
> You're right, it is.

Thank you very much for the info.
Do you also know if the writer of "Paperino e la iella passerella" (Topolino
2143) is identical to the movie director/actor/writer Mario Monicello?

Kind regards,
Niels


From ArneVoigtmann at gmx.de  Wed Jul 14 23:09:25 2004
From: ArneVoigtmann at gmx.de (Arne Voigtmann)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:09:25 +0200
Subject: "The Duck Who Never Was"
In-Reply-To: <NHBBKFHAOLHDBCINGIHFKEFAFOAA.donrosa@iglou.com>
References: <NHBBKFHAOLHDBCINGIHFKEFAFOAA.donrosa@iglou.com>
Message-ID: <2133291751.20040714230925@gmx.de>

Don Rosa wrote:

> Naturally, my original script had the form being filled out correctly --
> "month: 06" and "day: 09". Also, later in the story, I had Gus Goose
> chalking a Duck Family Tree onto a wall with himself and $crooge in the
> proper positions, but every single international version of the story had
> the names reversed when added by the local translator.

I checked that in the German translations, but in both the "60 years
Donald Duck" album and the 1994's "Micky Maus" issue (the story wasn't
reprinted in the "70 years Donald Duck" album in Germany) it was printed
correctly, with saying "Tag 09 / Monat 06" and showing Gus in the
upper right and Scrooge in the left of the family tree. Maybe someone
at Ehapa recognized the errors in the Egmont script and corrected them.

Best regards,
Arne



From halvor.sandven at dnbnor.no  Fri Jul 16 09:24:00 2004
From: halvor.sandven at dnbnor.no (halvor.sandven@dnbnor.no)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:24:00 +0200
Subject: Italian version of Phantom Blot + request to Norwegian readers
Message-ID: <9DEC448423001449B245CE5519C3EFE715F9ED@sdlap403.sandsli.dnb.no>


I'm making a web-site regarding the Norwegian Donald Duck comic
(www.donaldbladet.tk, sorry it's only in Norwegian). This site shows
highlights from the different years, what artists are used, and more.
One of the features is that when a new character enters the comic, I
will try to write a bit about this one. I'm now working with the year
1965, and this year we see the Phantom Blot for the very first time in a
Norwegian comic. This is of course the very good Murry-story 'The Return
of the Phantom Blot'. (Does anybody know who wrote this story). I have
also read the classic De Maris/Gottfredson story about this character,
in my opinion maybe the best Mickey-story of them all. I looked up this
character in INDUCKS, and saw to my surprise that there were several
Italian Blot-stories between these two stories. I know about the
Matina/Scarpa story 'Topolino e il doppio segreto di Macchia Nera (The
Blot's double mystery), but I would like to know a bit more about the
other Italian stories. How is the Blot treated in these stories? Does he
get to be the mysterious villain of these other stories? Are these
'good' stories that you would recommend? In the Martina/Scarpa story we
see some new tricks from the Blot. The other side of his hood is white,
so that he's hard to see in the snow, and he can also under certain
circumstances turn himself invisible. Are these things also seen in some
of the other stories? As in the Gottfredson-story, this story also shows
us the Blot without his hood. How common is this in later Italian
stories?

----------------------

I also have a little request regarding my site, and this is just for the
Norwegians here. In number 38/65 a new feature was included in the comic
for a while. As part of the back-cover, the readers could cut out a
drawing and fold this in a certain way, and a new picture would emerge
(I think). It was called a 'Tryllebilde'. I would like to show an
example of this on my site, but in my comics these drawings are gone.
Does anybody have a comic from this time where this is intact? If so I
would be very thankful if this could be scanned and sent to mail-address
mikkemus1 at hotmail.com

Halvor


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From psersimmon at eega.net  Fri Jul 16 13:12:22 2004
From: psersimmon at eega.net (Eta Beta)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:12:22 +0200
Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 17, Issue 16
In-Reply-To: <200407161001.i6GA1Hcp031427@numerus.ling.uu.se>
References: <200407161001.i6GA1Hcp031427@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <19380610044406.10953@mail.tin.it>

NIELS

>Do you also know if the writer of "Paperino e la iella passerella" (Topolino
>2143) is identical to the movie director/actor/writer Mario Monicello?

That's him alright. Curious coincidence, Monicelli (note sp) is
the writer and director of those Brancaleone movies we've mentioned
a few days ago with Timo, as well as of one of the greatest masterpieces
in Italian cinema, "Audace colpo dei soliti ignoti" (aka "Big Deal on
Madonna Street").


HALVOR

[Italian Phantom Blot stories]

>Are these 'good' stories that you would recommend?

Some are, but none that specifically spring to mind as exceptionally good,
not to me right now, at least, and with the exception of Scarpa's "double
Mystery", of course.

>In the Martina/Scarpa story we
>see some new tricks from the Blot. The other side of his hood is white,
>so that he's hard to see in the snow, and he can also under certain
>circumstances turn himself invisible. Are these things also seen in some
>of the other stories?

Don't remember, but I don't think so.

>As in the Gottfredson-story, this story also shows
>us the Blot without his hood. How common is this in later Italian
>stories?

Quite common. I think he's more often than not portraied "capeless",
actually, in Italian stories.


Cheers!

Eta Beta


From paolo at papersera.net  Fri Jul 16 15:03:32 2004
From: paolo at papersera.net (Paolo Castagno)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 15:03:32 +0200
Subject: R: Deborah Compagnoni/Paperino e la torta nevosa
In-Reply-To: <4C7F3CA00894D711A1AE0090279A6A630ECCB5@RASRV-EXC.sa.dk>
Message-ID: <ONECLJBFBOBOCKFBBDNFGECFDEAA.paolo@papersera.net>

> According to INDUCKS the Donald Duck story "Paperino e
> la torta nevosa"
> (1998) was written by one Deborah Compagnoni:
>
http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/creator.php/0/Deborah+Compagnoni/1
> Does anyone know if she is identical to the succesful skier
(Olympic Gold
> Medals etc.) with the same name?

She's exactly the same person!

Ciao,

  - Paolo

http://www.papersera.net     mailto:paolo at papersera.net



From jean-marc.bano at wanadoo.fr  Fri Jul 16 17:49:20 2004
From: jean-marc.bano at wanadoo.fr (jeanmarcbano)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:49:20 +0200
Subject: Gladstone Gander on the ambiguous road
Message-ID: <000701c46b4c$75fd5640$a61e7d52@jmbano>

Gladstone Gander (Gontran Bonheur) has had different faces through the years; since the beginning, we have been seeing him as the competitor of Donald for winning the Scrooge's favours or simply as a competitor for any kind of reward, money and so forth... (Trail Of The Unicorn, The Gilded Man - Donald contre El Dorado -, Donald l'as du pinceau - Paperino e il Ghirigoro 1964, Donald et la Ru?e vers l'or - The Golden Nugget Boat 1961, except for the italian one, all these stories are stories of Carl Barks); Gladstone also appears to be in many italian stories the competitor of Donald for winning the favours of Daisy (Donald automobiliste mod?le, Donald et la m?g?re milliardaire - paperino e la miliarda miliardaria 1962 (pencils Romano Scarpa), the prelude of the story ' La Bataille des H?ros' - Paperiade - (Bottero/Martina) in Mickey Parade 25; in Paperino e la Miliarda Miliardaria the female character called Vand?ka M?liosa aka Juanella Van Damm has an awful temper; so could we consider Duckburg as a misogynous universe? Magica is a seductive 'bad girl' witch, Brigitte (Brigitta McBridge) is an hysterical woman with a Scrooge obsession (that sometimes leads her to create some big business, financial empire, for competing with Scrooge on the grounds of economic industry, especially in the excellent story 'Le papillon de Christophe Colomb' - Paperino e la farfalla di colombo - scenario/script/pencils Romano Scarpa); Vand?ka aka Juanella Van Damm is awful, Daisy is a more ambiguous character, sometimes she is better than the men who populate Duckburg, has more brains than them, but her character is sometimes shadowed by a hint of snoberry like Minnie; furthermore, her choice for her fiancee between Donald and Gladstone often is unclear.
Sometimes Gladstone is the villain (however, rarely); in a particular story (where Goofy makes a cameo) he teams up with the Beagle boys for stealing the Scrooge's wealth before fleeing with them and the money on a desert island; this is 'La Bataille des H?ros'  - Paperiade -; however this kind of characterization for Gladstone is unfit for the man, the guy is a dandy not a bad guy; the stories of 'Fantomiald' aka Paperinik, allows Donald to take revenge on his supposed inferiorities compared with Gladstone, Scrooge and sometimes Daisy; 'Comment on devient Fantomiald' Paperinik il diabolico vendicatore and 'Donald fait jouer Fantomias' Paperinik torpa a colpire; aside the double personality, i don't think the character of Paperinik could have fitted in the Barks universe, because the Donald of Barks, even if he envies the good luck of Gladstone, is less mixed up than the italian Donald.
Gladstone is also capable of generosity : at the end of the story 'Donald et l'h?ritage fant?me' Paperino e l'eredita transitoria 1967, he gives money to Donald as a reward for having found his lost casket.
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From jean-marc.bano at wanadoo.fr  Fri Jul 16 18:01:35 2004
From: jean-marc.bano at wanadoo.fr (jeanmarcbano)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:01:35 +0200
Subject: Errata about the Gladstone comment
Message-ID: <000601c46b4e$2bf98350$a61e7d52@jmbano>

This is not 'miliarda miliardaria' but 'maliarda miliardaria', i think the italian readers will have corrected automatically.
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From totemboschi at libero.it  Fri Jul 16 18:07:31 2004
From: totemboschi at libero.it (Luca Boschi)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:07:31 +0200
Subject: Mario Monicelli
Message-ID: <BD1DB404.CEA4%totemboschi@libero.it>

Hi, Niels!

> Thank you very much for the info.
> Do you also know if the writer of "Paperino e la iella passerella" (Topolino
> 2143) is identical to the movie director/actor/writer Mario Monicello?

Yes, he's the same guy. That story, drawn by Barbucci, is now on reprint, in
Classici Disney # 332.

Best,

Luca



From armando.botto at libero.it  Sat Jul 17 11:02:02 2004
From: armando.botto at libero.it (Armando Botto)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 11:02:02 +0200
Subject: Another Donald birthday story
Message-ID: <005101c46bdc$bc892c20$4e081c97@prebx98>

Speaking of stories that celebrate Donald's birthday: in 1984 a hardback
giant volume was published in Italy, titled "Paperino il Grande". It
featured a few reprints, and the new story "Paperino e il giorno dei
giorni", in which Donald's 50th birthday was celebrated (with a nice
reference to Carl Barks).

The story, uncredited, was surely drawn by Miquel Pujol; the INDUCKS entry
for the Danish edition of the book ("Den store Anders And jubil?umsbog")
reports that the story was "made in cooperation between Danish and Italian
publishers".

Does anyone have more details about what kind of cooperation took place? In
particular, who was the writer of the script?

Ciao,
Armando




From marugu171 at hotmail.com  Sun Jul 18 14:15:13 2004
From: marugu171 at hotmail.com (Mats Rune Gullikstad)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 14:15:13 +0200
Subject: The chronological Donald - DVD
Message-ID: <BAY12-F13GgBcSYjcCI0002a0bf@hotmail.com>

Hi! (Don't let your anger at me if this has been discussed before, I'm only 
a human :)

I've bought the "Chronological Donald" - DVD with movies in the period 
1934-1941 here in Norway. (I don't know if this DVD is just a nordic 
phenomenon or you can get it elsewhere) However, I wonder why they stopped 
in 1941? There are plenty of movies made after 1941, so why not make a 
four-disc DVD (or five or six, I don't know) instead of a two-disc DVD?
Well, I hope they are gonna make a part 2 with 1941++ movies.

mats gullikstad

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From SRoweCanoe at aol.com  Sun Jul 18 14:20:26 2004
From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe@aol.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 08:20:26 EDT
Subject: The chronological Donald - DVD
Message-ID: <1dd.268d047d.2e2bc50a@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/18/2004 8:16:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
marugu171 at hotmail.com writes:
I<<'ve bought the "Chronological Donald" - DVD with movies in the period 
1934-1941 here in Norway. (I don't know if this DVD is just a nordic 
phenomenon or you can get it elsewhere) However, I wonder why they stopped 
in 1941? There are plenty of movies made after 1941, so why not make a 
four-disc DVD (or five or six, I don't know) instead of a two-disc DVD?
Well, I hope they are gonna make a part 2 with 1941++ movies.>>

it is a world wide series.
since they have a couple volumes of Mickey Mouse out, i assume if the donald 
duck sold well, a second set will come out.

steven rowe


From longtom at oeste.com.ar  Sun Jul 18 21:44:25 2004
From: longtom at oeste.com.ar (Fabio Blanco)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 16:44:25 -0300
Subject: The chronological Donald - DVD
References: <1dd.268d047d.2e2bc50a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c46cff$a20c6c80$010a0a0a@fabio>

> it is a world wide series.
> since they have a couple volumes of Mickey Mouse out, i assume if the
donald
> duck sold well, a second set will come out.
>
> steven rowe

And being a world series they know that are not so fans of Donald Duck in
the world as in the nordic countries. They maybe could sell four discs
there, but nobody in the rest of the world will pay more for him. Sad, but
economic. ;-)

FABIO
bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar




From lpj at forfatter.dk  Tue Jul 20 11:42:16 2004
From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 11:42:16 +0200
Subject: Il Gatto/Another Donald birthday story
Message-ID: <00a501c46e3d$dcbf4700$72749dd9@idb3156>

Armando Botto wrote:

> in 1984 a hardback giant volume was published in Italy, titled
> "Paperino il Grande". It featured a few reprints, and the new story
> "Paperino e il giorno dei giorni" [...]

I don't know the details around this story, but your posting made me do
some snooping-around. Not only did I realize that I had access to the
Danish version of this book -- I also discovered it contained a story
featuring Il Gatto. ("Paolino Paperino inviato speciale".) I've read the
story now, and I still don't understand why the character was mostly
forgotten after 1940. He seems like a standard "journalist with no
morals" to me. Is it just a coincidence that he hasn't been used much
the last many decades? Does anybody out there know? Anybody?

Lars




From chilbig1 at satx.rr.com  Tue Jul 20 13:32:05 2004
From: chilbig1 at satx.rr.com (Chris Hilbig)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:32:05 -0500
Subject: Il Gatto/Another Donald birthday story
Message-ID: <6D323FC5-DA40-11D8-BB13-000502CD2D4C@satx.rr.com>

   This most likely will ruffle a few feathers, but in this 
politically-correct world of ours, it absolutely doesn't surprise me 
that our friend Il Gatto hasn't been used too often. I'll have to admit 
that I haven't ever read a story with Il Gatto, but from what I've read 
from this list, he sound like a (at this point I'll take no 
responsibility for misspelling of names. :P I lack the time.) Joseph 
Gerbils of the New York Times, Dan Rather, or a Peter Jennings. (Just 
to name a few.) Essentially they'll swear up and down that they are 
unbiased and straight-forward in their reporting, and then ball-face 
lie, spin, or stretch the truth in order to push their agenda and/or 
ideology and manipulate popular opinion. A good example would be the  
anti-war/American stories that have been pushed from the thirteen 
months before the war in Iraq  to today. Il Gatto sounds like he 
represents all of this. From my first-hand  experience, and many 
interviews I've read (and i've read quite a few), most artist and 
writers don't believe in the value of morality, individualism, and 
smaller government. A character like Il Gatto contradicts the notion 
that all good journalists are truthful and look out for poor bastards 
like themselves. The idea that reportage could ever be slanted is an 
impossibility, or whoever is being smeared is most likely an evil 
hate-monger that's profiting from the suffering of others. Therefore my 
theory is that most writers in this business would be too uncomfortable 
with using Il Gatto, unless he is placed in some type of heroic role, 
which wouldn't fit the character.

  Then again this may all be just a coincidence, since I've never heard 
of Il Gatto until Lars brought him up. There is the possibility that 
most everyone else knows little or nothing of  Il Gatto and therefore 
he hasn't been used very often.


Just my two-cents,

Chris



From olaf.solstrand at andebyonline.com  Tue Jul 20 13:46:50 2004
From: olaf.solstrand at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 13:46:50 +0200
Subject: A question of communication + Re: DCML Digest, Vol 17, Issue 19
In-Reply-To: <200407201000.i6KA0Kcq003014@numerus.ling.uu.se>
References: <200407201000.i6KA0Kcq003014@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <opsbfpoclegcyj3s@mp-217-38-206.daxnet.no>

Hello,

can someone help me figuring out this: How does Gyro and Helper  
communicate?

In stories where Helper has something to say to Gyro (or others), what  
does he do? Does he write, mime ... does he just think of what is correct,  
use a little body language and Gyro amazingly as if using telepathy  
understands him ("Bzzt! Bzzt!" "Oh, I didn't think of that. Yes, you're  
right, I should replace those screws with bigger ones")? Or is the normal  
situation that Gyro doesn't understand what Helper's trying to say at all?



Lars:

> He seems like a standard "journalist with no
> morals" to me. Is it just a coincidence that
> he hasn't been used much the last many decades?
> Does anybody out there know? Anybody?

I guess he was made in a time era when story writers "around the world",  
uhm, I mean in USA, didn't really care about what the Italians did. But  
that doesn't explain why Italian publishers didn't make more  
Gatto-stories, so ... perhaps we should still look forward to new stories?



From lpj at forfatter.dk  Tue Jul 20 17:08:30 2004
From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:08:30 +0200
Subject: A question of communication + Re: DCML Digest, Vol 17, Issue 19
Message-ID: <012501c46e6b$e625a7c0$72749dd9@idb3156>

Olaf Solstrand wrote:

> can someone help me figuring out this: How does Gyro and Helper
> communicate?

I don't think it has ever been established anywhere. My own answer to
that question would be:

They just do.

I don't really think of Helper as a voiceless battery-driven robot; I
think of him as a Little Man. In one of my stories ("The Missing
Millionaire", D 99045), Helper became Gyro's lawyer and visited him at
the police station. When one of my friends saw this, he asked: "How
would Helper even be able to tell police that Gyro was his client?"
Well, he just was. Helper is already an absurd character; why not accept
that he can somehow communicate with Gyro and others?

If you want a "sensible" answer, though, you can assume Helper
communicates via morse code. His lightbulb head can blink, you know.

Or, alternatively, you can -- as you yourself suggested -- have Gyro not
understand a word of what Helper is saying. It's funny, but I'd advice
against it. The joke will wear thin pretty quickly, I suspect.

> perhaps we should still look forward to new stories [with Il Gatto]?

Sadly, if I ever did get around to using the character, it probably
wouldn't be on this side of 2010. Seriously. But that doesn't prevent
others from using Il Gatto, of course...

Lars




From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl  Tue Jul 20 20:46:30 2004
From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 20:46:30 +0200
Subject: Site with original Barks art
Message-ID: <AEEC81A4DAC9554A88BCEA431A34CC04027134DA@ds04.tnoase.telecom.tno.nl>

Daniel van Eijmeren wrote:

> This site contains several pieces of original Barks art:
> 
> http://www.orgcomicart.com/

I had some problems following the link to the artists, but after some hacking I found the Barks page here:

http://www.orgcomicart.com/php/artists.php?artists=Barks,%20Carl

--Harry.



From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com  Wed Jul 21 06:47:44 2004
From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 00:47:44 EDT
Subject: Gyro & Helper/ Chronological Donald
Message-ID: <d2.11cbe295.2e2f4f70@aol.com>

Lars Jensen posted:

Olaf Solstrand wrote:

> can someone help me figuring out this: How does Gyro and Helper
> communicate?

I don't think it has ever been established anywhere. My own answer to
that question would be:

They just do.
-------------------------------

To use an example, take Charlie Brown and Snoopy. When Snoopy comes knocking 
on the door in the middle of the night, how does Charlie Brown know what 
Snoopy wants? They can't talk to each other and yet they do understand each other.

As for Chronological Donald Volume 1, there will be a second volume in 
December or whenever the next wave of Disney Treasures DVDs come out. There are so 
many Donald cartoons, it would take 8 or 9 discs to hold them all. I wish there 
were more extras on the DVDs, though with so many cartoons, I can see why 
there wasn't much space for extras. Maybe there will be more on the second volume 
(though the 'problem' of a ton of cartoons will still exist). 

For comics fans, check out the gallery to see Donald Duck comic covers and 
strips and hear Leonard Maltin's commentary on DD's comic book/strip history 
(Carl Barks isn't mentioned, since like the cartoons, most of the story is about 
1941 and before).

Derek Smith
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From mickey at iol.it  Wed Jul 21 10:03:21 2004
From: mickey at iol.it (Mickey)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:03:21 +0200
Subject: Chiquita
Message-ID: <002301c46ef9$314760d0$10113152@computer>

I've read, somewhere, that Clara Cluck and Panchito Pistoles should have a
love affair. Could you tell me where this is stated or suggested?
Thanks,

Mickey



From vidar-svendsen at c2i.net  Wed Jul 21 19:09:06 2004
From: vidar-svendsen at c2i.net (Vidar Svendsen)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 19:09:06 +0200
Subject: A question of communication + Re: DCML Digest, Vol 17, Issue 19
In-Reply-To: <opsbfpoclegcyj3s@mp-217-38-206.daxnet.no>
References: <200407201000.i6KA0Kcq003014@numerus.ling.uu.se>
	<200407201000.i6KA0Kcq003014@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20040721190615.00bef8e0@popw.c2i.net>

At 13:46 20.07.2004 +0200, you wrote:
>can someone help me figuring out this: How does Gyro and Helper
>communicate?

In "Man versus Machine" (US 47) he communicates by writing.
He communicates with birds in Snow Duster (US 41), btw.


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From xephyr at cwnet.com  Wed Jul 21 20:34:12 2004
From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 20:34:12 +0200 (MSZ)
Subject: Chiquita
Message-ID: <20040721183412.CD7864D62@limicola.its.uu.se>

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From lpj at forfatter.dk  Wed Jul 21 21:44:25 2004
From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:44:25 +0200
Subject: Chiquita
Message-ID: <008201c46f5d$0ee448a0$0b799dd9@idb3156>

Mickey + Rich wrote:

>> I've read, somewhere, that Clara Cluck and Panchito Pistoles should
>> have a love affair. Could you tell me where this is stated or
>> suggested?
>
> Mickey, I don't know where it might have been "suggested", but it
> actually did happen in the story entitled "Panchito" from Walt
> Disney's Comics & Stories #38.
> http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/W+WDC++38-03

And, according to Inducks, this is the only time Clara and Panchito have
appeared together.

Lars




From cord at wiljes.de  Thu Jul 22 00:52:40 2004
From: cord at wiljes.de (Cord Wiljes)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 00:52:40 +0200
Subject: AW: A question of communication
Message-ID: <20040721225243.02DA034C048@p15137393.pureserver.info>

Olaf Solstrand wrote:

> can someone help me figuring out this: How does Gyro and 
> Helper communicate?

I don't think Gyro communicates with helper in the strictest sense of
the word. I rather see Helper as a part of Gyro. Sort of an external
personality appliance. Helper grounds Gyro in reality. Imagine a fusion
of Gyro and helper: The result would be a rather successful package,
wouldn't he?
 
Or you can view them as an old couple: She says something, he doesn't
listen, but nevertheless knows exactly what she said.

Cord 




From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com  Thu Jul 22 03:16:08 2004
From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:16:08 EDT
Subject: Floyd Norman Talks About Mickey Mouse Comic Strip Days
Message-ID: <157.3a69062e.2e306f58@aol.com>

Hi all!

I found an article written by Floyd Norman, who wrote the Mickey Mouse comic 
strip from 1983 to when it ended in the early 90's. It's pretty interesting, 
talking about what he knew about the comic strip department, how he got the job 
and what it was like to write the strip. It seems like between King Features 
syndicate and Disney's lawyers, it was made all the harder to write worthwhile 
stuff.

http://jimhillmedia.com/mb/articles/showarticle.php?ID=994

Derek Smith
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From mickey at iol.it  Thu Jul 22 11:13:02 2004
From: mickey at iol.it (Mickey)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:13:02 +0200
Subject: Chiquita
References: <20040721183412.CD7864D62@limicola.its.uu.se>
Message-ID: <001801c46fcc$1778f0f0$a7143152@computer>

Thank you, Rich, you've been very exaustive :D

Mickey



From chilbig1 at satx.rr.com  Thu Jul 22 13:40:46 2004
From: chilbig1 at satx.rr.com (Chris Hilbig)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 06:40:46 -0500
Subject: Floyd Norman Talks About Mickey Mouse Comic Strip Days
Message-ID: <F8EDE39A-DBD3-11D8-A83C-000502CD2D4C@satx.rr.com>

Thanks Derek! I always wondered how the MM strip died. This is a shame 
because most comic strips being published today (Maybe comics strips 
elsewhere are a hella lot more interesting) are at best, mediocre. Of 
course King Features and other syndicates have dictated this 
mediocrity, which leaves us readers to suffer or abandon ship. I 
remember reading an interview with Frank Cho (Sketch Magazine #12) and 
he mentions how overly sensitive and annoying  the editors from his 
syndicate were. In fact, he mentions a few times where the editors 
would make changes behind his back. This motivated Cho to end Liberty 
Meadow's run as a comic strip and make the transition to the comic book 
format over at Image Comics.

But I'll give Floyd Norman his due, he writes a great article and 
should be hired on as head of Disney's animation department, or better 
yet the CEO of Disney. (My humble opinion. :P) He seems to more then 
know his stuff and has the experience to back it up.  I'd love to check 
out reprints of his work on the Mouse strips. It'd be interesting to 
see his take on Mickey. (outside a gag-a-day strip.)

Chris



From SRoweCanoe at aol.com  Thu Jul 22 14:14:47 2004
From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe@aol.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 08:14:47 EDT
Subject: Floyd Norman Talks About Mickey Mouse Comic Strip Days
Message-ID: <1d9.26a879c6.2e3109b7@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/22/2004 7:39:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
chilbig1 at satx.rr.com writes:
<<. I 
remember reading an interview with Frank Cho (Sketch Magazine #12) and 
he mentions how overly sensitive and annoying  the editors from his 
syndicate were. In fact, he mentions a few times where the editors 
would make changes behind his back. This motivated Cho to end Liberty 
Meadow's run as a comic strip and make the transition to the comic book 
format over at Image Comics.>>

the fact that while attractive looking, his strip just wasnt (to me) very 
funny or very interesting (even the censored ones) may have something to do with 
his strips lack of success in the  newspaper marketplace. Of course i am 
several decades older than the target audience for this strip ....so it wasnt meant 
to appeal to me....

  comic strips are a tough sell in today's market - a recent newspaper chain 
in the USA (knight-rider?) has stated they plan to drop 1/3 of their comics 
unless they get a 1/3 price cut....!  Newspaper editors are a notorious nervous 
lot, and what is good for movies or tv, isnt quite right for papers....

  so when was the last Mickey strip?   who's currently doing Donald? anyone 
got a link to today's strip?  Is the sunday strip still running? any other 
current Disney strips?

steven rowe


From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl  Thu Jul 22 14:23:19 2004
From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:23:19 +0200
Subject: Inducks (RE: Chiquita)
Message-ID: <AEEC81A4DAC9554A88BCEA431A34CC0402713500@ds04.tnoase.telecom.tno.nl>

Lars Jensen wrote:

> And, according to Inducks, this is the only time Clara and 
> Panchito have appeared together.

Let me make clear that Inducks is not 100% reliable in cases like this. We haven't listed all characters in all stories (yet), so there *may* be some other (obscure) story or newspaper strip where they both appear.
But I agree that the chances to that are small.

--Harry.



From adelmkhan at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 23 01:38:32 2004
From: adelmkhan at hotmail.com (Adel Khan)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:38:32 -0600
Subject: Chronological Donald
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From adelmkhan at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 23 01:38:54 2004
From: adelmkhan at hotmail.com (Adel Khan)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:38:54 -0600
Subject: Chronological Donald
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From stratocruiser at cox.net  Fri Jul 23 03:00:28 2004
From: stratocruiser at cox.net (Carey Furlong)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:00:28 -0700
Subject: The Chronological Donald & Carl Barks
In-Reply-To: <200407211001.i6LA1Lcp002965@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <NIEHJEKCJLGHMFDKOMACIEIFCFAA.stratocruiser@cox.net>

Derek Smith smith wrote about the Chronological Donald, Vol 1:

> For comics fans, check out the gallery to see Donald Duck comic
> covers and
> strips and hear Leonard Maltin's commentary on DD's comic
> book/strip history
> (Carl Barks isn't mentioned, since like the cartoons, most of the
> story is about
> 1941 and before).
>

Actually, Carl Barks is mentioned on the CD, in the "Story and Background
Art Gallery" section, as the artist for the "Seat Scouts" cartoon.  Maltin
mentions that Barks continued to use his skill in action-storyboarding later
when he became the premiere artist for Donald Duck comics.

As I watched the Sea Scouts cartoon, I thought I saw some gags that looked
very similar to those used by Barks in the comics.  At one point in the
cartoon, a giant shark is chasing Donald and H, D, and L.  The kids are in a
rowboat and rowing so hard and fast that the boat is 10 or 15 feet above the
water, with only the criss-crossed oars below the boat making contact with
the water far below.  This same scene appears in "Noble Porpoises" in WD
Comics & Stories 218.  When I saw this in the cartoon I knew it must have
been Barks (it looked just like the comic), and Maltin later confirmed it.
I think Barks may have used the high-flying boat gag with criss-crossed oars
in other comics, but I can't think of them just now.

The "Publicity and Memorabilia Gallery" on the CD shows a number of first
comic covers and Maltin mentions first character appearances in them.
Maltin also details Al Talifaro and Bob Carp's development of the first
Disney comics.  Some early comic stories are even included. The first pages
of the comic that introduced Huey, Dewey and Louie are shown, including the
page where their mother is mentioned in the letter Donald reads.  Maltin
talks about the confusion over the names Dumbella and Della, due to
cartoon/comic cross-over.

A really great CD.  I'm anticipating Volume 2.

Carey M Furlong
Dana Point, California
Stratocruiser at cox.net



From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com  Fri Jul 23 05:47:08 2004
From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 23:47:08 EDT
Subject: October 2004 Gemstone Disney Comics Previews
Message-ID: <149.2eb7b81a.2e31e43c@aol.com>

Hi all!

Here are the Gemstone comics to be released in October 2004 from Previews 
Volume XIV #8.


Donald Duck and Friends #321 -- In response to numerous requests that Donald 
Duck and Friends contain more vintage material, this issue leads with Carl 
Barks'  classic wintertime Donald story, "Snow Fun." Also featured is the 
conclusion to last issue's Mickey story, "Werewolf Worries," and a new Thanksgiving 
tale, "Had A Gobbler," featuring Donald and the gang. FC, 32 pages. $2.95

Mickey Mouse and Friends #270 -- In response to numerous requests that Mickey 
Mouse and Friends contain more vintage material, this issue leads Westward 
Whoa, a classic Mickey Mouse western by Paul Murry. Also featured is a Daisy 
Duck story, "The Bee's Knees," and a new European Super Goof tale, "Ants in the 
Plans." FC, 32 pages. $2.95

Uncle Scrooge #335 -- Gemstone has recieved many requests for Don Rosa's 
first Disney tale, "The Son of the Sun," and this issue leads with that classic 
story of Scrooge versus Flintheart. Also featured is Daan Jippes' reworking of a 
Carl Barks script, "Rodent's Ransom," Michael T. Gilbert's "The Old Fishing 
Hole," and more. SC, 7x10, 64 pages, FC. $6.95

Walt Disney's Comics and Stories #650 -- William Van Horn's latest tale, 
"Bumps," a new Mickey adventure, "The Island of Dr. Morbid," Huey, Dewey and Louie 
in "The Imagination Game," "The Duck In Iron Pants," a classic Barks tale, 
along with vintage Chip 'n' Dale, L'il Bad Wolf (Gee Pop! You ain't going to be 
bad are ya?), and Pluto stories, round out this special 650th issue. SC, 7x10, 
64 pages, FC. $6.95

>From Tokyopop:

The Princess Diaries 2 -- No sooner has Princess Mia moved into the royal 
palace with her wise grandmother Queen Clarisse than she learns her days as a 
princess are numbered - Mia's got to lose the tiara and immediately take the 
crown herself in The Princess Diaries 2: Royal Engagement. Cine-Manga, 96 pages, 5 
x 7 7/16. $7.99 (Released in November along with the DVD, heck with that 
short a time, why see the movie in the theaters? :p )

-------------------------------------------------

This reprint stuff might be ominous, but as far as I can remember from 
looking at the titles, I don't think I've read either Barks stories or the Murry 
story, so it should be new to me. Hopefully reprints will be limited to one story 
out of the three in a book, like these October issues are. Beyond reprints, 
the 'new' stories seem promising.

BTW, what are these "The Son of the Sun" requests? Tell them to be 
financially prudent and get the back issue in NM/MInt condition for $2-3 instead of 
blowing $7 on it, for it taking up space in a new issue. :p The back issues are 
plentiful. Worried someone will buy it before you? Don't worry, they won't. :p 
My theory is that there are only 1-3 diehard Disney comics fans per US comic 
shop and chances are, if they were going to buy it, they would have done so. So 
don't worry about competition. In over a year, at my comic shop, only one 
person has ever bought any Disney back issues besides me and they only bought 2 or 
3 issues. The other 40-50 issues went to me. :p  /end of 
semi-logical-illogical rant

No MMA #2 for October, so the one-shot status remains. So when MMA #1 comes 
out, buy two copies so they'll quickly turn it into a regular series. ;)

Derek Smith
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From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com  Fri Jul 23 06:15:24 2004
From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 00:15:24 EDT
Subject: June 2004 US Comic Book Sales
Message-ID: <197.2c06aa7f.2e31eadc@aol.com>

Hi all!

Here's how Gemstone did in sales in the US in June 2004:

197. Uncle Scrooge #331  5,762
200. Donald Duck and Friends #317  5,646
204. Mickey Mouse and Friends #266  5,293
210. Walt Disney's Comics and Stories #646  5,070

Graphic Novels:

3. Walt Disney's Vacation Parade  5,193 (Spiderman who??? ;)
10. Donald Duck Adventures #6  3,673

http://www.icv2.com/articles/home/5357.html 

http://www.icv2.com/articles/home/5358.html 

Derek Smith
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From mickey at iol.it  Fri Jul 23 11:49:39 2004
From: mickey at iol.it (Mickey)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:49:39 +0200
Subject: Fan fiction
Message-ID: <005101c4709a$5f664970$7f0f3352@computer>

Maybe it's already been posted, but I've read this fan fiction
http://www.sullivanet.com/duckburg/library/yukonfic/fic-main.htm
dedicated to the love story between Scrooge and Goldie. I think it's very
good. Do you agree?
It's the only real "Ducks" fan fiction I've found on the web :-/

Mickey



From lpj at forfatter.dk  Fri Jul 23 12:01:39 2004
From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:01:39 +0200
Subject: Karp and Taliaferro's Donna
Message-ID: <003001c4709c$0e8f54e0$4c799dd9@idb3156>

Does anybody know where to find a scan of Bob Karp and Al Taliaferro's
version of Donna? (As seen in the 1951 Donald Duck strip.)

Lars




From chilbig1 at satx.rr.com  Fri Jul 23 14:27:07 2004
From: chilbig1 at satx.rr.com (Chris Hilbig)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 07:27:07 -0500
Subject: Floyd Norman Talks About Mickey Mouse Comic Strip Days
Message-ID: <9CEE895A-DCA3-11D8-B227-000502CD2D4C@satx.rr.com>

Steven sez:

the fact that while attractive looking, his strip just wasnt (to me)  
very
funny or very interesting (even the censored ones) may have something  
to do with
his strips lack of success in the  newspaper marketplace. Of course i am
several decades older than the target audience for this strip ....so it  
wasnt meant
to appeal to me....

   comic strips are a tough sell in today's market - a recent newspaper  
chain
in the USA (knight-rider?) has stated they plan to drop 1/3 of their  
comics
unless they get a 1/3 price cut....!  Newspaper editors are a notorious  
nervous
lot, and what is good for movies or tv, isnt quite right for papers....



Now me:

I digress. Comic strips are a cutthroat market. And the info you posted  
makes it all the more blatant. Creating a strip for a niche within such  
a tight market is quite difficult. But it doesn't help when newspaper  
editors think of comics as over glorified filler to print. Maybe with a  
different mind set, it might be possible to take advantage of what they  
have. Maybe do a promo of some sort to promote newspapers as a family  
thing.   I'm afraid outside of that, I don't really have a dynamic  
solution to this problem. Most likely comic strips will become a relic  
of the past in newspapers. It's a shame, because newspaper comics have  
had such a rich and colorful history. If you can't take my word for it,  
just check out the book "Smithsonian Collection of Newspaper Comics" by  
Bill Blackbeard.  
<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0874741726/ 
qid=1090583457/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3/102-3705020-6216930?v=glance&s=books>   
It's quite astounding what was.

Oh well... As far as the Donald Duck strip's concerned, I'm not sure if  
it's even being produced today. I visited King Features Syndicate's  
site (Disney's Syndicator for the past 50, 60 years), and it's not  
listed. I do remember one of the self proclaim Donaldists on this list  
posted a link to a site that links to a Danish or Norwegian DD strip.  
Wish I had it bookmarked. But that was being distributed by a local  
distributer, not King Features and I have no clue if they're reprints  
or not. Doesn't bring a lot of hope. :P   I assume when King Features'  
contract with Disney expired, the DD and MM strips went along with it.


Chris



From UNDBKB at aol.com  Fri Jul 23 16:11:40 2004
From: UNDBKB at aol.com (UNDBKB@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:11:40 EDT
Subject: Rosa in San Diego
Message-ID: <29.5cf8df6b.2e32769c@aol.com>

Just a short note updating you about Don Rosa in San Diego.
Don met with 2 Digest Friends from Finland on Wednesday,
Riku Perala and Jukka Heiskanen.  We had a very nice visit and evening meal.
Plenty of Walking and plenty of comics and "Pop" culture to see.
Gemstone will have Don signing at their Booth Friday and Saturday.
Disney also has a booth here. I will try to take some pictures and post next 
week.
I said, short, so that's all.

Barry
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From vazali at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 23 19:55:06 2004
From: vazali at yahoo.com (Katie Sullivan)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:55:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: fanfiction
In-Reply-To: <200407231000.i6NA0Zcq003492@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <20040723175506.37938.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com>


> From: "Mickey" <mickey at iol.it>
> Subject: Fan fiction
> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:49:39 +0200

> Maybe it's already been posted, but I've read this fan fiction
>
http://www.sullivanet.com/duckburg/library/yukonfic/fic-main.htm
> dedicated to the love story between Scrooge and Goldie. I
> think it's very
> good. Do you agree?
> It's the only real "Ducks" fan fiction I've found on the web
> :-/


*blush*  Thank you very much!  I'm glad you liked it!  I waited
over a year after writing the darn thing to post it on the Net
because I was too shy.  LOL!



Katie Sullivan
http://www.sullivanet.com/


	
		
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From deanmary at worldnet.att.net  Fri Jul 23 21:12:23 2004
From: deanmary at worldnet.att.net (deanmary)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:12:23 -0400
Subject: Reprints in October Gemstone comics
Message-ID: <001601c470e8$fd359f90$421b4c0c@deanmary>

    Well, I am less than pleased to see so many reprints in the
October Gemstone issues. :(   I was wondering if Gary could tell us if
this is an exception, or if this is now going to be par for the
course?  I afraid due to comments such as, "In response to numerous
requests that Donald Duck and Friends contain more vintage material"
and a similar one for Mickey Mouse and Friends, that we will be seeing
a lot more reprints than we did see in the first 16 months or so of
Gemstone titles.  At least the reprint stories in these issues of MM&F
and DD&F are stories that have not been reprinted to death...

    As far as Rosa's "Son of the Sun" being reprinted in US#335 and
the requests for it, I am as baffled as Derek Smith is.  Why reprint
this when is was just printed in 1987 and then re-reprinted *4* times
later in various albums?!?  I realize that there are many fans of
Rosa's work.  I am a huge fan of his work myself.  And it would be
great if *every* issue of US had a new Rosa story.  However since Don
only creates 2 or 3 stories a year, there can only be 2 or 3 issues a
year of new Rosa stories.  Do people really want to read reprints of
Rosa stories in US each month instead of new European stories that
have never been printed in the USA?  I am afraid that Gemstone will
start reprinting *all* of Don's stories rather frequently in upcoming
issues! :(  Are there really a lot of people who want to see say "Cash
Flow" reprinted in the December US and then say "Last Sled to Dawson"
in the February 2005 issue?  I don't think so, but I would love to
hear from members on the list who agree or disagree with me on that.

    It seems to me that readers of almost no other comics series than
Disney comics readers have to put up with the re-re-reprints like
Disney comic readers do.  I realize that there are HUGE differences
between Disney comics and superhero comics from DC and Marvel.  Still
though, imagine if issues of Spider-Man, Superman, Batman, etc. had on
a regular basis reprints of stories from the past.  I think very few
fans of these comics would buy these issues that had all of these
reprints.  If they don't have to settle for old stories, why should
Disney comic readers?  Plus it is all the worse with Disney comics in
that there are literally *thousands* of European stories that have
never been printed in North America before!  Gemstone could publish
all their titles for *years* without once using a reprint if they
wanted to.

    I think the saddest thing is that this does not have to be a
problem.  There are at least two ways to make fans of new and old
stories both happy.  One if for Gemstone to start publishing TPBs of
classic Disney stories.  I am so emphatic about that that I would have
written the whole last sentence in capital letters except that  it
would be very annoying to read! :)  I was surprised that Gemstone did
not very early on start publishing such TPBs.  Then I thought they
might start early in 2004.  It seems that in at least one letter
column a month that Gemstone mentions publishing them someday.  Well,
I have been reading that month after month for so long that I am
starting to think of Gemstone in this regard as "The Boy Who Cried
Wolf"!  Maybe someday we will see such TPBs, but I am not exactly
holding my breath...

    The other option would be a "Walt Disney Classics" monthly title.
Imagine if in October Gemstone had a "Disney Classics" 64 page
prestige format issue like US and WDC&S.  They could have reprinted
"Son of the Sun", "Westward Whoa", and "Snow Day" in this *one* issue!
Then the other titles could have new European stories in them.  In
this case, wouldn't fans of old and new stories both be satisfied?

    I can understand why many European members on the list don't have
this as a big issue one way or another.  However, for North America
and the English reading population, Gemstone is our only outlet for
these stories.  It is not like if they publish a lot of reprints that
we have the option of getting new Disney stories from someplace else.
So I would really appreciate if members on the list gave their
thoughts on this reprints issue pro or con.  It wouldn't have to be a
long piece, just a few sentences saying how you see the issue and why.
And if anyone from the list or from Gemstone for that matter want to
tell me why my views on this subject are wrong, unfeasible, etc. I
would *love* to hear that!  I may still not like there being so many
re-reprints, but perhaps then I would at least understand why.

Dean Rekich



From donald at lokarlsen.com  Fri Jul 23 22:49:56 2004
From: donald at lokarlsen.com (Lars Olav Karlsen)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 22:49:56 +0200
Subject: Chronological Donald
Message-ID: <001401c470f6$a1e0b360$0200000a@HJEMME>

 
The next round of Treasures in America has already been talked about on
many Disney forums, and the men behind the DVDs has reviled that it will
be:
 
Mickey Mouse in Black & White Volume 2 
The Mickey Mouse Club 
The Complete Pluto 
True Life Adventures
 
There must be some pretty special events for this line to change, so I
guess we have to wait another year or so for the next Donald.
 
I have tried to send another two emails about the Donald box when I was
on vacation but I always get a message that it needs approval and I
never see it turn up. I do hope that I have found the problem now, and
trying another time with this. If anybody with approval privileges could
approve my 2 first emails then I would be grateful because I wrote them
away from home so I don't have any record of them on my computer.
 
Lars Olav Karlsen
Oslo, Norway
 
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From lpj at forfatter.dk  Fri Jul 23 23:46:42 2004
From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 23:46:42 +0200
Subject: Disney's New Look in Comics
Message-ID: <002101c470fe$e5400a40$67749dd9@idb3156>

There's an article on Newsarama about new Disney comics, such as Kylion.

http://newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15952

Lars




From rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com  Sat Jul 24 01:24:53 2004
From: rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com (rodney-selfhelpbikeco@juno.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 23:24:53 GMT
Subject: Son of the Sun reprint
Message-ID: <20040723.162536.23797.60315@webmail24.nyc.untd.com>


I already have 1 reprint of this book (in one of the rare Comics In Color books), so I'm not clamoring to get another copy, but I must respond to this:

>Tell them to be 
>financially prudent and get the back issue in NM/MInt condition for >$2-3 instead 
>of 
>blowing $7 on it, for it taking up space in a new issue. 

Where can you find a copy of US219 for $2-$3?  The copy at my local shop is $19. 

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From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com  Sat Jul 24 03:25:03 2004
From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 21:25:03 EDT
Subject: Disney Treasures/New Look/Son of The Sun
Message-ID: <15a.3a8ab73b.2e33146f@aol.com>

Lars Olav Karlsen posted:

The next round of Treasures in America has already been talked about on
many Disney forums, and the men behind the DVDs has reviled that it will
be:
 
Mickey Mouse in Black & White Volume 2 
The Mickey Mouse Club 
The Complete Pluto 
True Life Adventures
---------------------------------------

Too bad about Donald not being released along with this batch, but 
considering how much material there is to release, I can see why Volume 2 was delayed in 
favor of something else. I really hope that sometime down the line, Disney 
releases a second volume of the Silly Symphonies cartoons. Hopefully the first 
set sold enough to encourage them to do so at some point.

Lars Jensen posted:

There's an article on Newsarama about new Disney comics, such as Kylion.

http://newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15952
------------------------------------------------

And no or nearly no mention of Gemstone in that article. To talk about 
'Disney' comics in the US and not mention Gemstone is almost laughable. That's a 
problem I have with Disney USA (not Disney Italy, since they clearly promote both 
old and new stuff): They trip over themselves to promote stuff like 
W.I.T.C.H. and yet Donald Duck/Scrooge might as well not exist to them. And frankly 
that kind of attitude is just stupid on their part, though not unexpected. Still, 
it would be interesting to have this new stuff come to the US, along with 
alot of other non-Disney European stuff that never gets puiblished in the US.

Rodney posted:

I already have 1 reprint of this book (in one of the rare Comics In Color 
books), so I'm not clamoring to get another copy, but I must respond to this:

>Tell them to be 
>financially prudent and get the back issue in NM/MInt condition for >$2-3 
instead 
>of 
>blowing $7 on it, for it taking up space in a new issue. 

Where can you find a copy of US219 for $2-$3?  The copy at my local shop is 
$19.
------------------------------------------------------

Okay, I may have overstated a bit. Not about my own experience, but with the 
general market. My copy of US 219 is what I would call NM. Now would that 
correspond to Mr. Overstreet's idea of NM, I don't know. The inside pages of my 
copy were all in great condition (no tears, stains, etc.) though it was somewhar 
yellowed. The cover had a few creases on it, but no tears, etc. My idea of NM 
and it cost $3. Not I'll admit, that my comics shop could never be accused of 
ripping people off, he certainly charges fair or even more than fair prices 
for his stuff. He had/has a lot of Series I/Disney Comics for $2-3 in NM/Mint 
condition. Not too much Series II stuff for the same (no prestige format, just 
regular comics). And of course, Whitman stuff varying from $4-15 in conditions 
I'd call less than NM. Probably ranging from Fair to Very Good.

I haven't checked eBay lately, I'm sure prices there are much more, though 
you can get deals similiar to what I pay at my comics shop if you're lucky and 
depending on what comics you want. I remember getting the last or near last 
issues of Uncle Scrooge Adventures 52/53 mint for like, $3-4 each including 
shipping. 

So I probably overstated stuff a bit. Most comic shops probably aren't as 
good with their prices as mine is (if they have Disney back issues at all, some 
I've been to don't). Though for $19, I'm sure Rodney's The Son of The Sun issue 
is in better shape than mine is (though his isn't US219. His is, I assume 
part of that Don Rosa four issue Scrooge series that was like the Carl Barks 
Scrooge in Color albums. $19, that's a good amount, but it is rarer than some of 
the other albums and it cost like $8-9? when originally released, so I guess 
$19 isn't a bad price for what you're getting. I've seen some on eBay go for 
$20-25.)  I got several US in Color Barks albums for about $8-9  each a few years 
ago on eBay. Some were Mint, others were fine except for a bad crease in the 
lower right corner. However none came with the collector cards, so that's a 
big reason why the price was so low. I just wanted the stories, so I didn't care 
about the cards (though one day, I may try to collect them).

So anyway, that's my story on what shape my issue is in, and how my shop is 
probably more lenient than others in terms of back issue price.

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From vazali at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 24 06:12:38 2004
From: vazali at yahoo.com (Katie Sullivan)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 21:12:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Gemstone reprints
In-Reply-To: <200407232328.i6NNRvcq005827@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <20040724041238.3083.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com>

I don't really mind reprints of stories that haven't been seen
in decades or are otherwise rare.  But I'd much prefer all-new
material--*especially* the Rosa stories that haven't been
published in America yet!!  I guess as long as there's a mix
it's acceptable.  Although it would be a nice idea to have the
reprint in trade paperback size books and more new stuff in the
prestige titles.  *shrug*

On the other hand, I'd like it even more if I could get the
Donald Duck title *without* the comic being 1/3 Mickey Mouse.  I
know there are lots of Mickey fans.  I'm just not one of them. 
I'm not going to buy the Mickey Mouse title to get one duck
story, either.  So I miss one duck story every month and get one
mouse story that I don't really care about.  I'll admit I'm so
Disney-comics-starved that I do read the Mickey stories, and
some of them are entertaining, but I'd still rather have ducks. 
Maybe it's just me, but it irritates me to buy "Donald Duck" and
find a third of the comic is mice.  (And yes, I know it's
"Donald Duck *and Friends*" but it's still "Donald Duck" as far
as the numbering system and my pocketbook are concerned.)  What
is so wrong about having one of the "non-prestige" titles be all
mice, and one all ducks?  We already get a mix in WDC&S.

Pet peeve of mine.  ;)

My $00.02,


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From rabidferret at hotmail.com  Sat Jul 24 08:04:14 2004
From: rabidferret at hotmail.com (Jason Gerstein)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 02:04:14 -0400
Subject: Son of the Sun reprint and others
Message-ID: <BAY8-F110JcgnimOMYU00042690@hotmail.com>

Just to throw in my two cents about the reprinting of Rosa's stories...

I agree with the idea that it may be a bit too soon for most of his stories, 
but for a select few I don't think it's an outrageous concept. I mean, Son 
of the Sun is almost 17 years old already! Of course if you start there when 
do you stop? I would personally like to see all of his stories printed in 
the US in english on a nicer quality paper at some point(since I seem to 
recall some of the Gladstone ones were newsprint), but that could easily be 
accomplished in a collection(which never seems to be done in the US or 
elsewhere in english). But they certainly don't need to start recycling all 
of them in normal comics quite yet(and not at $7/pop).

On a similar note, I would actually prefer it if they stopped reprinting 
some of the same Barks stories again and again. Any of the obscure ones are 
welcome, but it seems I always stumble across the same stories again and 
again. What makes this a problem for me is that I know there are soooooo 
many stories that have been printed overseas by guys like Vicar and Branca 
that have never made it here. I would prefer new stuff constantly than just 
repeating the same things again and again.

One other thing I wanted to touch on was the idea that finding Disney comics 
in the US was easy. Gosh no. I've scoured so many comic shops in a variety 
of states for Disney comics, and the amount of times I can actually find 
anything from the Gladstone era(or anything Don did) is such a rarity. I 
find myself almost exclusively having to resort to online or mail order from 
a few random stores I find here and there around the country, and even then 
they never have a full run available to pick through but just a few random 
issues here and there. Nobody stocks them since so few read them.

I've listened to a few people overseas talk about being able to walk into 
plenty of stores and look through piles of duck back issues, but here in the 
US the ducks are usually relegated to out of the way places or simply not 
even carried(with the exception of some of the old Barks comics which have 
got prices only collectors can buy). The overseas folk have definately got 
it much easier:)

Ok, so maybe that was more than two cents...

-Jason




From chilbig1 at satx.rr.com  Sat Jul 24 15:33:40 2004
From: chilbig1 at satx.rr.com (Chris Hilbig)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 08:33:40 -0500
Subject: Son of the Sun reprint and others
Message-ID: <12EADB88-DD76-11D8-9932-000502CD2D4C@satx.rr.com>

   I've been under the impression that Gemstone operates trying to make 
publishing Disney Comics as economical as possible. (For them) That's 
why we in the US we'll mainly see Egmont and Barks material because 
Gemstone won't have to pay to produce it, because it already exists. 
(Three years worth of Egmont material that's never seen print in the 
USA or in English.) I don't know how the Disney license works out for 
them or what the schedule at Gemstone is, (I assume every now and then 
the staff gets a little behind in their work schedule. It happens. :P) 
but I'm left scratching my head as to why stories like "Son of the Sun" 
and "His Majesty Mc Duck", which you can find them in a non-yellowed 
"in-color" album over at Gladstone, when there is such a back-log of 
material from Europe. I think there would be a greater appreciation if 
the U$ title featured Rosa/Vicar/Branca material that hasn't seen print 
here in the US.

   Barks is sort of a different matter, there is such a vast collection 
of his work, it's probably very  easy to re-re-reprint his work.  What 
some fans may have seen, others haven't. In his case, I would suggest 
reprinting work that hasn't been seen in the past 10-20 years. I also 
agree with the idea of a classics title or special collection/library 
in TPB dedicated to Rosa, Bark, etc.  Gemstone could easily keep them 
in print for months if not years at a time.

  I'm also not much of a fan of mixing Mouse and Duck material in both 
"the Friends"  and "Adventure" titles, but I'm assuming Gemstone wants 
to maximize sales with this strategy. I don't know if this has been a 
success compared to both the Gladstone and Disney runs. (For 
Gladstone's second run, you had to purchase WDC&S, D and M, or DD and 
MM titles if you wanted to read any mouse stories. Otherwise, the Duck 
titles had been kept segregated from Mouse stuff.)

Nonetheless, selling Disney comics here in the US is a tuff bit. I 
remember towards the end of Gladstone's second run, shops here in San 
Antonio just quit carrying them. Although back issues of Disney Comics' 
run are still in ample supply, compared to Gladstone and other runs. 
But comic shops haven't been as enjoyable since most of them have 
converted over to being collector stores. On top of that, over the 
years comic stores have become few and farther between. So ordering 
online and through mail order has become more and more of an attractive 
alternative.

  Speaking of ordering online, can anyone recommend an online Italian 
comic shop that doesn't charge an arm and a leg for shipping?



Chris



From lpj at forfatter.dk  Sat Jul 24 23:04:14 2004
From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 23:04:14 +0200
Subject: DISNEY GLOBAL POWERHOUSE - Incredibles, Pirates o/t C,
	Academia & more
Message-ID: <000501c471c1$d0cc6720$51749dd9@idb3156>

More on new Disney comics:

http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/pulse.cgi?http%3A//www.comicon.com/cgi-bi
n/ultimatebb.cgi%3Fubb%3Dget_topic%26f%3D36%26t%3D002542

Lars




From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com  Sun Jul 25 03:05:18 2004
From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 21:05:18 EDT
Subject: 2003 Eisner Award Winners
Message-ID: <1e9.25d16ed2.2e34614e@aol.com>

Hi all!

Just a quick post about the Eisners for work published in 2003. The Uncle 
Scrooge comic book won Best Title for a Younger Audince. Yay!!! I wonder who 
accepted the award in San Diego. BTW, the guy who won Best Lettering, his initials 
are T. K. That's probably all the explanation that's needed. ;)

http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=36&t=002541 

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From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com  Sun Jul 25 04:12:12 2004
From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 22:12:12 EDT
Subject: Question About Comic Art
Message-ID: <1cc.26aa0b3a.2e3470fc@aol.com>

Hi all!

I guess this question is directed to the comic book artists of the DCML. I 
read an article talking about how the size of paper comic book artists have used 
to draw on has changed at various times over the years. I was wondering, on 
the 11x17 (10x15 actual space) paper that is I believe, standard for all/most 
Disney artists, do you draw the entire what-will-be-published page on one piece 
of 10x15 or do you draw in half pages (two 10x15s equals one printed page)? 
Thanks for your time. :)

http://www.povonline.com/cols/COL129.htm

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From sdebeer at talk21.com  Sun Jul 25 18:13:50 2004
From: sdebeer at talk21.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Simon=20de=20Beer?=)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 17:13:50 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Who is this mouse?
Message-ID: <20040725161350.48447.qmail@web86211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

I have been in France on holiday & whilst browsing through Disney comics, came across a mouse charactyer that appeared to be call Michael. He looked like a cross between Mickey & mortimer & wears Mickey - type red shorts.  Can anyone tell me who he is?
 
Also, an off topic question - I was quite amazed at the huge range of comic books & comic charaters in France, both human & animal.  Is thera website or book that givesd any info about any of these these?

		
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From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr  Sun Jul 25 22:04:16 2004
From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 22:04:16 +0200
Subject: Who is this mouse?
References: <20040725161350.48447.qmail@web86211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002101c47282$90bf7d40$f4ae7c52@computer>

Simon:

>>>>I have been in France on holiday & whilst browsing through Disney comics, came across a mouse charactyer that appeared to
>>>>be call Michael. He looked like a cross between Mickey & mortimer & wears Mickey - type red shorts.  Can anyone tell me
>>>>who he is?

Pity Gilles hasn't been here for a while, he was more an expert on that than I am.
Michel Souris started a few years ago as an extreme version of a fan of  Mickey, who wanted to emulate his hero and even take his place. It seems he evolved a bit; instead of  a (semi?)villain (which he appeared to me to be), he is part of  Mickey's crowd, while retainging his extreme fanboyishness.
I find the idea interesting, but never much liked the stories I read-- I especially dislike the art, which looks pretty weird.



>>>>Also, an off topic question - I was quite amazed at the huge range of comic books & comic charaters in France, both human &
>>>>animal.  Is thera website or book that givesd any info about any of these these?

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From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr  Sun Jul 25 22:18:39 2004
From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 22:18:39 +0200
Subject: Who is this mouse? (1b)
References: <20040725161350.48447.qmail@web86211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003f01c47284$93108740$f4ae7c52@computer>

Ooops. I somehow sent my message as I was skipping lines, before I actually got to answering the scond question.



>>>>Also, an off topic question - I was quite amazed at the huge range of comic books & comic charaters in France, both human &
>>>>animal.  Is thera website or book that givesd any info about any of these these?

Here are a few sites for a start...

http://www.adbd.net/
provides links to sites

http://marquebd.free.fr/index.html

http://edbd.netatlantide.net/
but a bit limited for an encycloapedia

http://perso.club-internet.fr/bernadac/
crime stories



Olivier
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From rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com  Sun Jul 25 22:48:21 2004
From: rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com (rodney-selfhelpbikeco@juno.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 20:48:21 GMT
Subject: endless reprints
Message-ID: <20040725.134835.5883.71519@webmail06.nyc.untd.com>


Even thought I only nit-picked the possibility of getting a copy of US 219 for $3 a couple of days ago (Maybe I should come and check out your local comic shop Chris!), I do want to point out that I do find it a little ridiculous that Son of the Sun has been reprinted 4 times in 17 years.  There really is no need for a story to be reprinted every 3 or 4 years.

I like seeing reprints of stories that may not be so easy to find, like the Murry story may be (INDUCKS seems to be down, so I can't check).  I've mentioned before that I think Gemstone should limit themselves to stories that haven't been reprinted in a "comic book" (albums and hardbound books not counting) in 15 years.  I still think that's a good idea, by and large, but considering that Son of the Sun fits that criteria, there's always going to be something that people may not be happy with.

I do like the idea of occasional reprints in the 32 page books, as long as it's not constant.  For example, maybe print a Barks story in every third or fourth issue of DD.  That's enough to introduce younger readers to Barks, and keep the book from being overloaded with stories that many of the rest of us have already seen.

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From David.Goldsmith at adis.co.nz  Mon Jul 26 00:35:33 2004
From: David.Goldsmith at adis.co.nz (Goldsmith, David)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:35:33 +1200
Subject: Rosa Reprints
Message-ID: <2124ED9D3EF87D40B223B489CC93A94D01EA36DD@aionex1.adis.co.nz>

One issue that hasn't been mentioned in the pros/cons of this is the Rosa
text pieces that are being added in the Gemstone issues. This was the
clincher for me in the decision to purchase another copy of "His Majesty
McDuck" for instance. 


From Anthvvuono at aol.com  Mon Jul 26 02:13:57 2004
From: Anthvvuono at aol.com (Anthvvuono@aol.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 20:13:57 EDT
Subject: Any Rosa news?
Message-ID: <1a8.265d52a4.2e35a6c5@aol.com>

Dear Don Rosa:
       I apologize for being so brief, but have you started a new story yet 
or any other projects? What did you think of this year's San Diego comic 
convention and the fact that "Uncle Scrooge" finally won an Eisner award? I cannot 
wait to read Chapter 10B in "Uncle Scrooge" 332. I hope you have other "Life of 
Scrooge" stories in the works. 
Sincerely,
Anthony 
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From spe at inducks.org  Mon Jul 26 02:29:31 2004
From: spe at inducks.org (Stefan Persson)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 02:29:31 +0200
Subject: endless reprints
In-Reply-To: <20040725.134835.5883.71519@webmail06.nyc.untd.com>
References: <20040725.134835.5883.71519@webmail06.nyc.untd.com>
Message-ID: <4104506B.4040702@inducks.org>

rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com wrote:
> I like seeing reprints of stories that may not be so easy to find, like the Murry story may be (INDUCKS seems to be down, so I can't check).

Inducks seems not to be down at all.  See 
http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/creator.php/0/PM/1 for a list of Murry 
stories, for example.

Stefan


From UNDBKB at aol.com  Mon Jul 26 04:15:23 2004
From: UNDBKB at aol.com (UNDBKB@aol.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 22:15:23 EDT
Subject: Eisner Award
Message-ID: <12f.47183693.2e35c33b@aol.com>



> Just a quick post about the Eisners for work published in 2003. The Uncle 
> Scrooge comic book won Best Title for a Younger Audince. Yay!!! I wonder who 
> 
> accepted the award in San Diego

Gemstone had the award at their booth the next day.
So probably someone from their team accepted, I did not attend the awards.
Steve Geppi ( Diamond owner ) was there and could have accepted it too.
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From Anthvvuono at aol.com  Mon Jul 26 06:50:22 2004
From: Anthvvuono at aol.com (Anthvvuono@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 00:50:22 EDT
Subject: William VanHorn
Message-ID: <66.4359133c.2e35e78e@aol.com>

Does anybody on the list know how many VanHorn stories have not seen print in 
America? So far, I think Gemstone has been doing a wonderful job at 
showcasing his work in the prestige comic books every month. But, how prolific a writer 
is VanHorn? Three years without Disney comics in the United States must have 
given Gemstone a wealth of backlog material created by this Duck artist. 
Sincerely,
Anthony
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From hansschmidt at bluebottle.com  Mon Jul 26 10:16:50 2004
From: hansschmidt at bluebottle.com (Hans Schmidt)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 03:16:50 -0500
Subject: William Van Horn
Message-ID: <1090829810.4104bdf233cba@www.bluebottle.com>


Anthony:
> Does anybody on the list know how many VanHorn stories have not seen
print in
> America? 

Donald Duck stories (code, number of pages, English title when
available, year of first publication)
 D 98324 - 10 - What A Drag! - 1999 
 D 98325 - 10 - Taking Things Litterly - 1999 
 D 99216 - 10 - Bumps - 2001
 D 2000-044 - 10 - Cruisin' For A Bruisin' - 2001
 D 2000-045 - 10 - Ain't It The Truth - 2001 
 D 2000-146 - 10 - Just For Laughs! - 2001 
 D 2001-055 - 10 - To Well And Back - 2002
 D 2001-056 - 10 - Full Circle - 2002
 D 2001-059 - 10 - A Beach Bummer - 2002
 D 2001-156 - 10 - Riding Deranged - 2002
 D 2001-157 - 10 - 2002 
 D 2002-089 - 10 - 2003 
 D 2002-092 - 10 - 2003 
 D 2003-011 - 10 - 2003 
 D 2003-012 - 10 - 2004 
 D 2002-091 - 10 - 2004 
 D 2003-132 - 10 - 2004 
Plus one Gyro story
 D 2000-144 - 6 - Same Old Stuff - 2001

This list thanks to COA (http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/comp.php).

Hans.





From donrosa at iglou.com  Mon Jul 26 14:23:53 2004
From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 08:23:53 -0400
Subject: DCML Digest Issue 27
In-Reply-To: <200407260453.i6Q4qocq022078@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <NHBBKFHAOLHDBCINGIHFGEFHFPAA.donrosa@iglou.com>

> From: Anthvvuono at aol.com
> Subject: Any Rosa news?
> Dear Don Rosa:
> I apologize for being so brief, but have you started a new
> story yet

No, I only sent the "Three Caballeros" story in a few days before I went to
the SD Con. My chores for the next few weeks will be writing texts and doing
extra art for the next "Don Rosa Library" edition in the HALL OF FAME
series. Then I'll start to think about what to do next...

> What did you think of this year's San Diego comic
> convention and the fact that "Uncle Scrooge" finally won an
> Eisner award?

"Finally"? Surely you knew that UNCLE $CROOGE comics won several awards in
the past, including the prominent "Best Serialized Story of the Year" in
which all the other (so-called) "adult" comics were nominated -- even
beating out "Hellboy" which is now no less than a top-box-office motion
picture. I'm afraid that I see this new "Best Publication for a YOUNG
Audience" award as a nail in the coffin of Disney comics in America. Do you
not realize that there is also an comics award titled "Best Humor Title"?
*That* would have been the award that would have been notable in the overall
industry. "Best... for a Young Audience" indicates that the nomination
committee did not consider a Disney comic in any of the other categories of
the Eisners as they had during the Gladstone days -- indeed (in case you
were not aware), there were no Disney titles or stories or creators
mentioned in *any* of the other award category nominations as they had been
mentioned repeatedly in years past. I see this as setting a precedent for
the future Eisners that no Disney comics will be considered for any other
nominations other than this single "Best for a Young Audience" award;
furthermore, any American comic reader who sees these awards will also have
his notion confirmed that he should personally NEVER consider reading a
Disney comic, knowing that an institution no less revered than the Eisner
Awards has labeled them definitively *for youngsters* as if they were "Hello
Kitty" comics or something, even though they are written on a level easily
equal to that of all those "adult" American superhero comics (if not rather
*above* that sort of stuff).
It will be nice if Gemstone can use this award for publicity/leverage into
the bookstore markets that they crave and which may insure their continued
existence... but other than that, I saw the award as bad news for the future
of American Disney comics. Perhaps a Disney title or story could have won in
another category, as in the past, if the committee had given voters the
chance to consider it. You see, it's the nomination committee which decides
what stories the voters will be allowed to vote on. Perhaps the next Eisner
award nomination committee will be more enlightened and turn the trend back
to how it was in the past. Time will tell...
But if nothing else, when Todd Klein again wins his award for "Best
Letterer" in next year's Eisners, we'll at least see "UNCLE $CROOGE"
mentioned in that Eisner Award list of Todd's work on the most prominent
comics in American comics for 2004.



From donald at lokarlsen.com  Mon Jul 26 14:22:44 2004
From: donald at lokarlsen.com (Lars Olav Karlsen)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 14:22:44 +0200
Subject: Don Rosa drawings
In-Reply-To: <2124ED9D3EF87D40B223B489CC93A94D01EA36DD@aionex1.adis.co.nz>
Message-ID: <001b01c4730b$45b1c810$0200000a@HJEMME>


This might be a little of topic but I was wondering on if anybody knew a
good place to buy Don Rosa drawings? I have always wanted one original
drawing from him, but I can't find any good place to buy.

I have noticed that some are selling on Ebay, but I don't want to buy
something from someone that just got it from free from Don Rosa and now
want to make a buck from it. That is just simple.

I have noticed that he does draw at some signings but when he turns up
in Norway the amount of people are so many that he can't take the time
to even dedicate a signature. You should see the line with people.

Lars Olav Karlsen
Oslo, Norway




From mickey at iol.it  Mon Jul 26 16:34:35 2004
From: mickey at iol.it (Mickey)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:34:35 +0200
Subject: About Eisner Awards
References: <NHBBKFHAOLHDBCINGIHFGEFHFPAA.donrosa@iglou.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c4731d$ace681d0$f3143152@computer>

Don Rosa:

> I'm afraid that I see this new "Best Publication for a YOUNG Audience"
award as a nail in the coffin of Disney comics in >America.

Well, I'm afraid it's a "problem" worldwide for Disney Comics. They are
considered for a young audience.
Luckly, Egmont let you produce your "adult" stories and other publishers
publish them, but you're an exception.

> But if nothing else, when Todd Klein again wins his award for "Best
Letterer" in next year's Eisners

I found this funny and unfair at the same time.
Klein is the best in what he does, but he prevents other talented collegues
to win, with all the consequences of a victory.
They should give him an "endless award".
It's like Mozart competing year after year at the same music contest...

Mickey



From xephyr at cwnet.com  Tue Jul 27 05:08:24 2004
From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 05:08:24 +0200 (MSZ)
Subject: Cap'n Quirk?
Message-ID: <20040727030824.B3840B50@pernis.its.uu.se>

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From cord at wiljes.de  Tue Jul 27 08:52:51 2004
From: cord at wiljes.de (Cord Wiljes)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:52:51 +0200
Subject: Eisner Award: Best Title for a Younger Audience
In-Reply-To: <1e9.25d16ed2.2e34614e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20040727065255.C81D834C049@p15137393.pureserver.info>

Derek Smith wrote:

> Just a quick post about the Eisners for work published in 2003.
> The Uncle Scrooge comic book won Best Title for a 
> Younger Audince. 

Which is rather peculiar, because the average age of a of a reader of 
"Uncle Scrooge" is probably 10-20 years _above_ that of Marvel's
"X-Men".

Or what do you think: Are there really kids (ages 8-15) out there who 
buy "Uncle Scrooge" on their own?

Cord




From chilbig1 at satx.rr.com  Tue Jul 27 14:15:21 2004
From: chilbig1 at satx.rr.com (Chris Hilbig)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 07:15:21 -0500
Subject: Eisner Award: Best Title for a Younger Audience
Message-ID: <A162A0FC-DFC6-11D8-87B1-000502CD2D4C@satx.rr.com>

   My congratulations to Rosa and the U$ title. (Even if it is the 
"younger audiences" title.) Maybe if Scrooge showed a li'l more 
skin/feather, U$ will get nominated for the big-boy title. :P  Yeah, 
the lack of Disney nominations does continue to set a bad precedent for 
Disney Comics in the USA and elsewhere. The *for youngsters* stigma has 
been choking Disney for quite some time and will continue in the 
future. Sadly...

   Maybe Steve Geppi and Gemstone could come up with a campaign to bring 
in more readers. It will of course have to be a targeted campaign to 
either attract kids or adults. (Or both if they could afford it.) 
Gemstone could most likely take advantage the newly acquired "younger 
audiences" title and push Disney comics as a family friendly affair. 
Maybe even throw in another new Disney franchise that consists of a 
movie, TV series, and comic book series published by Gemstone. 
(Ducktales is good example.) Plug Gemstone Comics every other 
commercial break during ABC kids (saturday mornings), ABC family, Toon 
Disney, and the Disney Channel. Then buy time on other networks such as 
Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network, etc. "So how the heck would you plug a 
comic book on TV?" Well, some examples for possible TV spots can be 
found at Egmont Ehapa Verlag's Lustiges-Taschenbuch site. 
<http://www.lustiges-taschenbuch.de/content/rundumltb/tvspots.html> 
Last but not least, have a graphic/ad on Disney's many websites, 
prominently displayed that links to the official site. (Gemstone's or 
the comic's). Disney's Danish site has an easy to find link to the 
Anders And & Co. site, I don't see why Disney couldn't do the same for 
Gemstone.

   For Adults, Gemstone could either create a prestigious format 
adult-title  or retool U$ as an adult oriented title. (Basically a 
title with stories written at an adult level, nothing sleazy.) Start an 
ad  campaign in magazines and or radio that have readers that could 
possibly be pulled in to the  local bookstores or online shops and buy 
a comic book that won't shame them. Push it as an 
adventure/suspence/mystery book. (Okay, it doesn't have to be all 
three, if you don't want.)  Of course the cover will have to have a 
more adult look, how ever you define that. :P Inside the bookstore, 
have a prominent display at the front. Make it the first thing you see. 
This would be good for book stores located in malls like Walden's and 
B. Dalton's. Rosa and Rota would be prefect for starters and maybe 
Gemstone could buy work from Disney Italy. They've done some more 
adult-oriented material in the past. Or even take the risk of 
commissioning new material.  This could all be orchestrated under the 
Gemstone imprint or a new one just for that title or other books that 
could be pushed to adults. I've seen that Gemstone or a sister company 
now publishes the EC titles. (or at least sells them.)

   Not bad for 6 in the morning. :P   But these are just some long-term 
possibilities to bring in readers and renew and expand readership, 
weather Gemstone embraces the stigma or not.

Cord:

"Or what do you think: Are there really kids (ages 8-15) out there who
buy "Uncle Scrooge" on their own?"

  When I was in that age group, I was enough of a freak to buy U$ and 
other Disney books on my own. But I lacked the money to buy them on a 
monthly basis. But I think today's kids at that age are more likely to 
buy a pack of pok?mon cards or a DVD.


Chris



From donrosa at iglou.com  Tue Jul 27 14:22:26 2004
From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:22:26 -0400
Subject: DCML Digest Issue 29
In-Reply-To: <200407271001.i6RA1Vcq002113@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <NHBBKFHAOLHDBCINGIHFOEHPFPAA.donrosa@iglou.com>

> From: "Lars Olav Karlsen" <donald at lokarlsen.com>
> Subject: Don Rosa drawings
> I was wondering on if anybody knew a
> good place to buy Don Rosa drawings? I have always wanted one original
> drawing from him, but I can't find any good place to buy.
> I have noticed that some are selling on Ebay, but I don't want to buy
> something from someone that just got it from free from Don Rosa and now
> want to make a buck from it.

Well, don't worry too much. The only ones I do for free, and which a few
louts do put onto eBay, would be b&w scribbles. Those I hope you would not
buy, not just because someone exploited my good will by posing as a fan to
get it, but simply because it's not *worth* anything much... it's just a 10
second scribble! Any others you see on eBay would be the full-color types
that I *always* charged for at American conventions, and which the buyers
are certainly free to sell in any ethical or moral way you might consider
it. I started out years ago charging about $15 for careful, full-figure
drawings, and at the end I was charging about $30-40 for large full-color
publication-quality illustrations. The reason I stopped doing those
full-color drawings at cons was not so much that people were selling them...
if they had resold them for $40-$50 that would have been one thing... but
people were getting up to $700-800 for those drawings they paid me $40 for!
And I just can't allow myself to be used like that, even if it was
admittedly by only a few louts.



From cord at wiljes.de  Tue Jul 27 15:34:32 2004
From: cord at wiljes.de (Cord Wiljes)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:34:32 +0200
Subject: AW: Eisner Award: Best Title for a Younger Audience
In-Reply-To: <A162A0FC-DFC6-11D8-87B1-000502CD2D4C@satx.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20040727133435.ECA4334C049@p15137393.pureserver.info>

Chris Hilbig made some interesting suggestions how Disney comics could
be promoted in the U.S.

One questions remains to be addressed though. I will put it here in all
bluntness:

   Are Disney comics outdated? 

Are we here on this list just a bunch of old fools reveling in
nostalgia, trying to recapture the vanished wonders of our youth? 

If this is true, then a marketing campaign to attract new readers
(children or grown-ups) will have a snowball's chance in hell.

How many children read the current Gemstone Disneys? And how many
actually buy them on their own (instead of receiving them as a gift from
adults)? This may not be as pronounced here in Europe, but the trend
seems to indicate that we are on the same downhill slope: High-priced
editions for adults are selling rather well, while print-runs of the
lower-priced entry-level editions are constantly declining.

A small detour: If you have children, watch how they react to the old
classic Disney cartoons: Do they love it? Do they ask for more? Or are
they easily distracted and clamoring for new material (Dragon Ball Z
et.al.)

And how many of the copies Gemstone sells to grown-ups are just stashed
away, feeling "this is a good thing to support - I will read them as
soon as I have time" - and then patiently wait in their boxes - unread
und forgotten?  

Please don't misunderstand me: I love Disney comics and will keep on
reading them probably until my deathbed. But then I also love old silent
movies. And I would never expect them to become a financial success in
today's marketplace or ask any film studio to shoot new silent movies.

Maybe there is a time to let go and to admit, that time went on? Disney
comics (expecially those by Barks, Gottfredson, Taliaferro) are classics
today and will probably always be available and read by a small audience
in the future.

Cord




From bangfish at cableone.net  Tue Jul 27 19:13:10 2004
From: bangfish at cableone.net (Gary Leach)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 10:13:10 -0700
Subject: San Diego ComicCom
In-Reply-To: <200407260452.i6Q4qAcp022056@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <3CA27F66-DFF0-11D8-A14A-000393C28E48@cableone.net>

UNDBKB wrote:

> Just a quick post about the Eisners for work published in 2003. The 
> Uncle
> Scrooge comic book won Best Title for a Younger Audince. Yay!!! I 
> wonder who
> accepted the award in San Diego

Gemstone Disney comics editor-in-chief John Clark accepted the award. 
Also in attendance were Gary Leach and Susan Daigle-Leach, as well as 
some folks from Diamond.

It was hectic and exhilarating San Diego Con! For the first time ever, 
Disney Publishing Worldside joined forces with Gemstone to feature and 
promote both new and classic properties! The booth was remarkable, not 
only for its design, but the for the fact that Gemstone's books were 
featured on the central display. (I know, this is sounding like 
something from a press release, but it's the truth.) We met and talked 
with more readers and potential readers than I think we have ever done 
at all other cons we've ever attended combined.

W.I.T.C.H. indeed got the lion's share of attention, but many who asked 
about that feature also got interested in what Gemstone was doing. We 
gave out 3,500 Free Comic Book Day Mickey/Scrooge books, raffles were 
held for prizes that mainly featured classic Disney characters, and 
there was even a toy promotion that featured a Donald car in four parts 
- one part given out each day of the convention. Folks were very 
enthusiastic about these, to say the least.

I think that, for the first time, Disney comics made a real impression 
at San Diego.

Gary
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From ramapith at mail.dk  Tue Jul 27 19:22:46 2004
From: ramapith at mail.dk (David Gerstein)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 13:22:46 -0400
Subject: Kids buying Gemstone (was Re: Eisner Award)
Message-ID: <93F74602-DFF1-11D8-BBF2-00039306CADA@mail.dk>

	Cord,

 > Or what do you think: Are there really kids (ages 8-15) out there who 
buy "Uncle Scrooge" on their own?

	Yes. I know because I've met some; and a few are presently active on 
the Toon Zone message boards (forums.toonzone.net), where Scrooge and 
WDC&S in particular are discussed now and again.
	It seems to be high schoolers who are already Disney/cartoon fans who 
gravitate to the books, but that's no big surprise. One had a Fethry 
buddy icon last week; seeing it, I suggested he join the DCML, so maybe 
we'll get some new blood around here.

	David



From mickey at iol.it  Tue Jul 27 19:47:36 2004
From: mickey at iol.it (Mickey)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:47:36 +0200
Subject: OT Comic-shops
Message-ID: <001f01c47401$cdde1710$c047b650@computer>

Hi... since I'm going to visit Bergen, Oslo and Copenaghen in August, could
anyone from there tell me addresses of some comic-shops?
Thank you!

Mickey



From lpj at forfatter.dk  Tue Jul 27 21:54:59 2004
From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:54:59 +0200
Subject: Il Gatto/Another Donald birthday story
Message-ID: <007c01c47413$9c7488a0$bc759dd9@idb3156>

A little late, but I've only gotten around to mailing this off now...

Chris Hilbig wrote:

>> [Il Gatto] seems like a standard "journalist with no morals" to me.
>> Is it just a coincidence that he hasn't been used much the last many
>> decades?
>
> This most likely will ruffle a few feathers, but in this
> politically-correct world of ours, it absolutely doesn't surprise me
> that our friend Il Gatto hasn't been used too often. I'll have to
> admit that I haven't ever read a story with Il Gatto, but from what
> I've read from this list, he sound like a [...] Joseph Gerbils of the
> New York Times, Dan Rather, or a Peter Jennings. (Just to name a few.)
> Essentially they'll [...] ball-face lie, spin, or stretch the truth
> [...]

Oops. Let me clarify: By "standard 'journalist with no morals'" I meant
"as seen in popular fiction". Just like there's the standard "crooked
lawyer", "greedy money lender", "rich snob" etc. I wasn't implying that
real-life journalists generally have no morals.

And I honestly don't think political correctness has anything to do with
Il Gatto's absence. Except for a cover in '47 and a cameo in '94, the
guy hasn't been used since 1940. Decades before anybody thought there
might be something wrong in stereotyping groups of people. It's more
likely the Italians just didn't have any story ideas that involved an
unethical journalist. Or disliked the design. Or forgot about the
character. Or had some other non-political reason for not using him.

> [...] the anti-war/American stories that have been pushed from the
> thirteen months before the war in Iraq  to today.

Chris, please don't bring this stuff up here. If you want to discuss the
Iraq, uh, situation, there's an off-topic forum called DCML-talk at
http://www.dcml-talk.org/list.php?f=1 .

> most artist and writers don't believe in the value of morality,
> individualism, and smaller government.

In my experience, most artists and writers *do* believe in morality and
individualism -- although the definitions of those two concepts may not
be the same from person to person. As for "smaller government"... I
don't see how that fits in with the other two. It's like saying one
believes in truth, justice and strawberry-flavored ice cream.

Anyway, again, that's something that's suitable for the off-topic forum.

> my theory is that most writers in this business would be too
> uncomfortable with using Il Gatto, unless he is placed in some type of
> heroic role, which wouldn't fit the character.

I honestly think you're way off here, Chris. The story potential of a
crooked, lying, immoral jerk of a journalist is immense, and that's the
kind of character any writer would love to get his or her hands on.
You're a left-winger? Use the character to show how rich media barons
distort the truth to promote their own interests. You're a right-winger?
Use the character to show how leftist journalists distort the truth to
promote their own world view. You don't want to put your own political
leanings into your stories? Use the character to show how some people
distort the truth to promote themselves. I could rattle off a number of
story possibilities here, but I think I'm gonna keep them to myself...

Lars




From lpj at forfatter.dk  Tue Jul 27 21:55:19 2004
From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:55:19 +0200
Subject: Floyd Norman Talks About Mickey Mouse Comic Strip Days
Message-ID: <007d01c47413$a5ca0f60$bc759dd9@idb3156>

Derek Smith wrote:

> I found an article written by Floyd Norman [...]

Thanks for the link, Derek. Very interesting reading. Perhaps some
Inducks people could contact Floyd Norman for specific dates and
story/gag descriptions regarding the strips he wrote. There are a few
holes in Inducks, waiting to be filled up...

Lars




From lpj at forfatter.dk  Tue Jul 27 21:55:31 2004
From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:55:31 +0200
Subject: About Eisner Awards
Message-ID: <007e01c47413$ae54a500$bc759dd9@idb3156>

Mickey wrote:

> it's a "problem" worldwide for Disney Comics. They are considered for
> a young audience.

Maybe that's because most of the traditional Disney comics (Ducks, Mice,
Wolves etc.) are *made* for a young audience?

>> But if nothing else, when Todd Klein again wins his award for "Best
>> Letterer" in next year's Eisners
>
> I found this funny and unfair at the same time.
> Klein is the best in what he does, but he prevents other talented
> collegues to win, with all the consequences of a victory.
> They should give him an "endless award".
> It's like Mozart competing year after year at the same music
> contest...

Using that logic, Lance Armstrong should be banned from Tour de France
and Michael Schumacher from Formula 1. I'm not especially competitive
myself, but surely the point in having any kind of competition is to
determine who is the best at something. (However "best" is defined.)
Imagine somebody winning an Eisner award in lettering with everybody
knowing that Todd Klein is *so much better* than the winner, he wasn't
even allowed to be nominated. The win would be meaningless.

I've seen Todd Klein's lettering in a number of comic books. It's good.
Yeah, there are other letterers that are good, too, but I can't really
argue against Todd Klein getting Eisner awards for his work. He wins
these things because he's good. If others were better than him, *they*
would win.

Congrats with the award, Todd.

Lars




From lpj at forfatter.dk  Tue Jul 27 21:55:46 2004
From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:55:46 +0200
Subject: Carl Barks Library returns
Message-ID: <007f01c47413$b5ee23e0$bc759dd9@idb3156>

I just read this at http://www.comicon.com/thebeat/ :

> The Carl Barks Library is coming back! Danish publisher Egmont will
> release it first, but Gladstone will release the American edition. The
> format will be smaller than the previous 9x12 editions, and it will be
> aimed at both collectors and bookstores with a higher page count...

Lars




From spe at inducks.org  Tue Jul 27 21:57:55 2004
From: spe at inducks.org (Stefan Persson)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:57:55 +0200
Subject: Carl Barks Library returns
In-Reply-To: <007f01c47413$b5ee23e0$bc759dd9@idb3156>
References: <007f01c47413$b5ee23e0$bc759dd9@idb3156>
Message-ID: <4106B3C3.1000005@inducks.org>

Lars Jensen wrote:
> I just read this at http://www.comicon.com/thebeat/ : 
>>The Carl Barks Library is coming back! Danish publisher Egmont will
>>release it first, but Gladstone will release the American edition.

Gladstone?

Stefan


From adelmkhan at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 27 22:33:56 2004
From: adelmkhan at hotmail.com (Adel Khan)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:33:56 -0600
Subject: unpublished Barks Stories
Message-ID: <BAY8-F12V7GrCLoyld50001372c@hotmail.com>

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From: adelmkhan at hotmail.com (Adel Khan)
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From adelmkhan at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 27 22:42:56 2004
From: adelmkhan at hotmail.com (Adel Khan)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:42:56 -0600
Subject: FW: unpublished Barks Stories
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From lpj at forfatter.dk  Tue Jul 27 22:48:51 2004
From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:48:51 +0200
Subject: Carl Barks Library returns
References: <007f01c47413$b5ee23e0$bc759dd9@idb3156>
	<4106B3C3.1000005@inducks.org>
Message-ID: <003901c4741d$16e9a120$59779dd9@idb3156>

Stefan Persson wrote:

> > I just read this at http://www.comicon.com/thebeat/ :
> >>The Carl Barks Library is coming back! Danish publisher Egmont will
> >>release it first, but Gladstone will release the American edition.
>
> Gladstone?

That's what she wrote. Maybe she meant Gemstone?

Lars




From SRoweCanoe at aol.com  Tue Jul 27 23:07:46 2004
From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 17:07:46 -0400
Subject: unpublished Barks Stories
Message-ID: <1D95B8AB.1214ACB9.0C38BCAA@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/27/2004 4:33:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Adel Khan" <adelmkhan at hotmail.com> writes:

>Would Gladstone or Gemstone add new additions to CBL. I looked at the German version Egmont asked Daan Jippes to ink Bark"s unpublished stories when he was retiring. For example there is Officer For Anbsp;Day,Pawns Of The Loup garou, andnbsp;Day in a ducks Life.the Juniorwoodchuck stories would they be prinited in english. ?

  these are not unpublished  Barks stories. 
they are redrawn Barks scripts of stories originally drawn by kay wright and tony strobl.
  Obviously there are folks who like the more-Barks like appearences of Jippes art  though.  

Steven Rowe
SRoweCanoe at aol.com




From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr  Tue Jul 27 23:56:53 2004
From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:56:53 +0200
Subject: Carl Barks Library returns
References: <007f01c47413$b5ee23e0$bc759dd9@idb3156>
Message-ID: <005201c47424$a0db7c80$936c7852@computer>

Lars:

>>>> I just read this at http://www.comicon.com/thebeat/ :
>>>> The Carl Barks Library is coming back! Danish publisher Egmont will
>>>> release it first, but Gladstone will release the American edition. The
>>>> format will be smaller than the previous 9x12 editions, and it will be
>>>> aimed at both collectors and bookstores with a higher page count...

That's wonderful news!
Could you tell us a little more, please, Gary, Pleasepleaseplease?
Without revealing secrets to preserve surprises, basic answers will do-- 
format, availability, soft/hard cover, in 1 or 5 years, color or b&w, ...


Olivier




From tklein28 at aol.com  Wed Jul 28 01:14:38 2004
From: tklein28 at aol.com (Todd Klein)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:14:38 -0400
Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 17, Issue 30
References: <200407271955.i6RJsqcq003038@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <4106E1DE.8080200@aol.com>

Hi All,

I haven't had anything to contribute to this list in years, but I do 
still receive and usually read at least some of it.

About the Eisner Award, I'm sure many people are tired of me winning, 
and I don't blame them! I can't understand why everyone isn't sick of me 
yet. I've thought about taking my name out of the running, but somehow 
it doesn't seem fair to the companies and other creators I work with, 
who like to see their books win in any category, and it's also a good 
thing to keep my name in for another reason: freelance letterers are 
fast becoming extinct, there are very few left, now that both Marvel and 
DC are doing most of their lettering in-house. I'm happy for any way I 
can keep lettering a viable category, including being involved in awards.

Todd Klein



From donald at lokarlsen.com  Wed Jul 28 01:27:37 2004
From: donald at lokarlsen.com (Lars Olav Karlsen)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 01:27:37 +0200
Subject: Carl Barks Library returns
In-Reply-To: <005201c47424$a0db7c80$936c7852@computer>
Message-ID: <000801c47431$50fa0a80$0200000a@HJEMME>


You can read about the Danish and Norwegian release of this at: 

http://www.carl-barks.dk/ (Denmark)
http://www.carlbarks.no/ (Norway)

>From what I can see it will be identical with the already released
American library, so for those that can't read Norwegian or Danish can
only take a look at the already existing release.

Lars Olav Karlsen
Oslo, Norway


-----Original Message-----
From: dcml-bounces at stp.ling.uu.se [mailto:dcml-bounces at stp.ling.uu.se]
On Behalf Of Olivier
Sent: 27. juli 2004 23:57
To: x DCML
Subject: Re: Carl Barks Library returns

Lars:

>>>> I just read this at http://www.comicon.com/thebeat/ :
>>>> The Carl Barks Library is coming back! Danish publisher Egmont will
>>>> release it first, but Gladstone will release the American edition.
The
>>>> format will be smaller than the previous 9x12 editions, and it will
be
>>>> aimed at both collectors and bookstores with a higher page count...

That's wonderful news!
Could you tell us a little more, please, Gary, Pleasepleaseplease?
Without revealing secrets to preserve surprises, basic answers will do--

format, availability, soft/hard cover, in 1 or 5 years, color or b&w,
...


Olivier


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From Anthvvuono at aol.com  Wed Jul 28 03:07:11 2004
From: Anthvvuono at aol.com (Anthvvuono@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:07:11 EDT
Subject: Hey Todd
Message-ID: <d8.1043ec75.2e38563f@aol.com>

Dear Todd Klein,
       I'm looking forward to your upcoming work in Rosa stories. Are you 
working on any of his now?
Sincerely,
Anthony
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From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com  Wed Jul 28 10:47:30 2004
From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 04:47:30 EDT
Subject: Gary & San Diego/Norman/Eisners/CBL, etc.!
Message-ID: <127.46a51cda.2e38c222@aol.com>

Gary Leach posted:

(I know, this is sounding like 
something from a press release, but it's the truth.) 
-----------------------------------------

The only thing that made me suspcious was when you referred to yourself in 
the third person in the opening paragraph. ;) I'm glad things seemed to go so 
well in San Diego. Hopefully some new readers will be a result of it. And what 
David Gerstein said about some teenage readers was nice to hear.

Lars Jensen posted:

Perhaps some
Inducks people could contact Floyd Norman for specific dates and
story/gag descriptions regarding the strips he wrote. There are a few
holes in Inducks, waiting to be filled up...
-----------------------------

That's a neat idea. He might be receptive to that if he isn't too busy doing 
whatever it is he does now (besides writing some internet articles).

As for the Eisner Awards, I somewhat agree with what Don Rosa said about US 
winning Best Title For A Youinger Audience. If it's just a one year thing, then 
no matter. But if it's a sign of the future for Disney comics and the Eisner 
awards, then it won't be deserved certainly. I was surprised that a Disney 
title wasn't nominated for the Humor category this year. If any comics fit that 
description, it's Gemstone's comic line! Surely a Humor nomination will be 
forthcoming next year, otherwise, Don's post will be right on.

As for the Carl Barks Library's return, I believe I saw an ad in the recent 
Previews, of Gemstone offering the third volume with Uncle Scrooge for sale 
again (at it's original price of $130). They have to sell what they have before 
offering new! (though to be fair, I'd imagine there can't be much stock left 
for the taking. Heck, if I could spare the money now, I would get this and the 
MM Deluxe Edition that was offered again recently). At any rate, depending on 
the price, I may buy some of the new CBL if it all pans out. I only have sets 
II and VIII. I was lucky to get good eBay deals on those. Those sets can be 
pricey!

And it's great Todd Klein posted a message. That's the great thing about 
DCML, you never know who'll show up! Like when Cesar Feroli posted a few messages.

Derek Smith
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From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com  Wed Jul 28 11:00:20 2004
From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:00:20 EDT
Subject: Commercials/Disney Outdated?
Message-ID: <6.2f0a9a74.2e38c524@aol.com>

Hi all!

BTW thanks to Chris Hilbig for the TV Disney comics link. It's neat to see 
all those commercials.

Cord Wiljes posted:

One questions remains to be addressed though. I will put it here in all
bluntness:

   Are Disney comics outdated? 

Are we here on this list just a bunch of old fools reveling in
nostalgia, trying to recapture the vanished wonders of our youth?
-------------------------------------------

Sigh. Sometimes I wish I was born a generation earlier. Being 23, I've come 
toward the tail end of things with Disney comics (though Gemstone represents a 
new beginning). Old time radio shows, old movies, Disney comics, with 
interests like that,   I act like more of a previous generation ( or two even :p

As for kids and what do they like these days? My 9 and soon to be 3 year old 
nieces, they are absolutely insane for stuff like Spongebob Squarepants. Yuck! 
I know I'm being biased. Spongy's  alright, it's just not my preference. I 
think they like stuff like Donald Duck, Mickey Mouse, etc. well enough, but they 
seem more of a Disney fan in general. "Can we watch Lion King II or Finding 
Nemo for the 40th time?" I would say they're familiar with the characters, but 
aren't particularly big fans of them. Winnie The Pooh probably ranks higher 
with them.

Derek Smith
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From lis- at wp.pl  Wed Jul 28 13:00:50 2004
From: lis- at wp.pl (mateusz lis)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:00:50 +0200
Subject: Best Christmas stories
Message-ID: <CEEBJGPKHMHKLHCEJMMLAEPHCLAA.lis-@wp.pl>

Christmas?
I know, I know... It's July now, middle of the summer.  But I have a
question:

What are your favourite Christmas stories?

I mean both Mice and Ducks ones.
Maybe it's even better to ask such a question now, because you are not under
the influence of all those reprints published every December.

Best wishes,
Mateuz Lis



From chilbig1 at satx.rr.com  Wed Jul 28 14:07:09 2004
From: chilbig1 at satx.rr.com (Chris Hilbig)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 07:07:09 -0500
Subject: Disney Outdated?
Message-ID: <A6F321EC-E08E-11D8-AA4A-000502CD2D4C@satx.rr.com>

Cord Wiljes posted:

One questions remains to be addressed though. I will put it here in all
bluntness:

?? Are Disney comics outdated?

Are we here on this list just a bunch of old fools reveling in
nostalgia, trying to recapture the vanished wonders of our youth?

Me:

Well, is the glass half empty or half full? Should we start the funeral 
now, or should we wait till Disney comics actually dies first? I never 
though after the over-saturation the world with "Turtle Power", that 
the Ninja Turtles would ever have a cartoon series again? Maybe this 
isn't a fair comparison, but properties and franchises never die, just 
evolve or reinvent themselves. For what it's worth Gemstone's doing 
pretty damn good after a three year absence of Disney.

   The bottom line are sells. Doesn't matter if they're kids, adults, or 
stray dogs... For all intensive purposes, the comic industry should 
have died over three times by now, but it's still going strong. 
(althouogh it sputters every now and then.) I remember a couple of 
years ago writers/ columnists on the net were full of fear and loathing 
over the fate of the industry.

Eventhough Disney comics aren't found in ever house hold the the US and 
elsewhere, I think we're far from seeing the end.

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From tklein28 at aol.com  Wed Jul 28 14:53:43 2004
From: tklein28 at aol.com (Todd Klein)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:53:43 -0400
Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 17, Issue 31
References: <200407280852.i6S8qjcq002941@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <4107A1D7.3010400@aol.com>

>
>
>Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:07:11 EDT
>From: Anthvvuono at aol.com
>Subject: Hey Todd
>To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Message-ID: <d8.1043ec75.2e38563f at aol.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>Dear Todd Klein,
>       I'm looking forward to your upcoming work in Rosa stories. Are you 
>working on any of his now?
>Sincerely,
>Anthony
>
>  
>
I'm not scheduled for any new stories at the moment, but John Clark and 
I talked in San Diego, and there will be more in the future.

Todd



From chilbig1 at satx.rr.com  Wed Jul 28 17:20:32 2004
From: chilbig1 at satx.rr.com (Chris Hilbig)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:20:32 -0500
Subject: The infamous "Il Gatto"
Message-ID: <AA9A1342-E0A9-11D8-AA4A-000502CD2D4C@satx.rr.com>

Lars,

  Sorry my post rubbed you the wrong way or wasn't what you had in mind. 
I was simply tossing out a possibility and laying out the reasoning for 
it. Albeit, it was lengthy and used politically-pointed examples to 
make my point. Take it with a grain of salt.

>> [Il Gatto] seems like a standard "journalist with no morals" to me.
>> Is it just a coincidence that he hasn't been used much the last many
>> decades?

I guess you wanted a yes or no answer?  Oh well...

   I know not everyone that does comics bends the same way and readers 
usually shy away from politically-charged stories. But political slant 
happens, in movies, TV, and yes, even in comics. Intentional or not, I 
don't wet my pants over it, and neither should you.

   For all I know or care, your probably right, the Itailians most 
likely ran out of ideas for Il Gato, and he's been forgotten ever 
since. Like I said, I never even heard of Il Gato till you inquired 
about him. I haven't invested the time in researching the character.  I 
fully encourage you to use Il Gato in a story. The story potential of a 
crooked, lying, immoral jerk of a journalist IS immense. Go nuts with 
it. Use him how you wish. If your going to be fearful of being labeled 
as one thing or another, don't.


Chris
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From kyrimis at alumni.princeton.edu  Thu Jul 29 09:38:21 2004
From: kyrimis at alumni.princeton.edu (Kriton Kyrimis)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:38:21 +0300
Subject: Commercials/Disney Outdated?
In-Reply-To: <6.2f0a9a74.2e38c524@aol.com>
References: <6.2f0a9a74.2e38c524@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4108A96D.4000207@alumni.princeton.edu>

DEREK:

> As for kids and what do they like these days? My 9 and soon to be 3 year 
> old nieces, they are absolutely insane for stuff like Spongebob 
> Squarepants. Yuck! I know I'm being biased.

I think that this is simply the usual difference between generations, where 
parents tend to be critical of their children for daring to be different. 
("When I was your age...") What was, e.g., the attitude of the parents of 
older list members, regarding their reading Disney comics? In my case, e.g., 
my mother kept telling me that it was a mistake that she had allowed me to 
read comics as a child. I'm fairly certain that she felt this way because I 
never got to read the books that *she* had read when she was young. However, 
given that I am an avid book reader, I can't imagine that reading comics has 
harmed my reading ability in any way. I just have different tastes from my 
mother, a crime for which I was apparently never forgiven!

Perhaps, in twenty years' time, parents will despair at their children 
watching whatever excites kids at that time, instead of wholesome 
entertainment such as Spongebob Squarepants. (I think I've seen it, and I 
think I don't care for it, and I *know* I'm 44 years old, so what do I know?)

	Kriton.
-----
"How can anyone rewrite history when no one can even read it properly?"
-----



From deanmary at worldnet.att.net  Thu Jul 29 21:43:30 2004
From: deanmary at worldnet.att.net (deanmary)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:43:30 -0400
Subject: Future of Disney comics in America + more
Message-ID: <000b01c475a4$54900ef0$45e04b0c@deanmary>

    I am not very positive about the longtime future of Disney comics
in the USA, but then again I am not positive about the longtime future
of *any* comics in the USA! :(  It seems to me that comic book
collecting and reading keeps becoming a smaller and smaller niche and
that at some time in the future there will not be enough readers to
keep DC or Marvel in the business, let alone smaller publishers like
Gemstone.  However, I am not giving up hope though.  Chris Hilbig
makes a great point about how comics in the USA have supposedly been
close to dying for *years* now and yet they are still around.  So
going by that comics should have already been gone years ago.  Another
thing that gives me hope is the fact that *I* don't have a good
feeling about the longtime future of comics in the USA.  I am *so*
often wrong about *so* many things that I hope that this is just one
of the many other things I am wrong about! :)

    I also agree with Chris that in the short run at least, what
matters most is the number of issues sold, no matter who or what age
are buying the issues.  To me the short term future of Disney comics
in the USA is in the hands of Gemstone and their expectations and
wants.  From what little I have read, it seems like the 4 monthly
Gemstone titles sell between 5,000 and 6,000 copies a month and that
that has been pretty consistent over the past year or so.  Gary last
year made it sound like Gemstone was happy with the initial numbers.
One question though is will they be happy with those numbers as time
goes by?  Perhaps near the end of the 3 year license Gemstone will be
content with the numbers between 5 and 6 thousand.  I personally very
much hope that that is the case.  However, perhaps they have expected
that circulation numbers would go up through time.  If that is the
case, the numbers that they may have been happy with in the summer of
2003 may be disappointing numbers for 2006.  After all, while it is
obvious that the people at Gemstone have a deep love for Disney
comics, they are as any business is interested in making a profit.

    Having said that, I have this kind of wild idea.  I know two
things about Steve Geppi.  One, he has some money.  Two, he has a long
and deep love for Disney comics.  Perhaps Mr. Geppi is in the unique
position that even if Gemstone comics only break even, that he will
keep the license and keep publishing them simply because he himself
loves them so much?  That of course probably is just an nonsensical
idea from me, but I must admit that I do think that from time to time.

    In the long run, it is important that kids read Disney comics.  I
don't have a very good feeling about this either unfortunately. :(
When Gemstone first announced that they were getting the license for
Disney comics, there was a lot of talk about getting kids to read
Disney comics again, getting the comics in Wal-Mart, Target, etc.  So
far this has not been the case though.  I imagine it is probably a
case of it being a great idea, but something that has been very hard
to accomplish.  Perhaps, Gary can tell us if they still have plans in
the works for getting the comics in Wal-Mart and other similar stores?

    One reason I think it will be hard to get kids to read Disney
comics is that it seems kids "grow up" somuch faster that they used
to. For example, I have read that where as 20 or 30 years ago girls
played with Barbie dolls until the ages of say 10 or 11, that today
girls think they are too old for Barbie dolls after they are 5 or 6
years old!  In that case perhaps it was acceptable in the 1950s for
kids 10 to 12 to read comics about Donald and Mickey, but today kids
that same age would look on reading Disney comics as something for
"babies".  One thing I have noticed watching my 15 year old nephew
grow up is that he *never* wants to do anything that his peers could
interpret as being too childish for a certain age.  Through the years
he has gone through stages where he liked Pokemon, the Rugrats, etc.,
and then of course began to lose interest in them, which is of course
totally normal.  What makes me sad though is that often I think he
gives up on something that he still does like too early, if for no
other reason than perhaps other kids would look down on him for still
liking such things.

    While I am concerned that Uncle Scrooge won the award for "Best
Title for a Younger Audience", I do not think like Don that it is "a
nail in the coffin" for Disney comics in the USA.  What it does strike
me is how ironic that award is and how out of touch the people who
pick the Eisner winners are with Disney comics.  Cord Wiljes wrote
that in regards to Uncle Scrooge winning this award, "Which is rather
peculiar, because the average age of a of a reader of "Uncle Scrooge"
is probably 10-20 years _above_ that of Marvel's "X-Men".  I couldn't
agree more!  I am 37 years old and sometimes I feel like I am one of
the *younger* readers of Disney comics in the USA!.  I am glad to read
in the last few digest that there are at least a few other readers my
age or even younger. :)  I will give you one very small example of why
Uncle Scrooge is *not* just a title for younger readers.  I recently
read a William Van Horn story, "A Dime for Your Thoughts" (US #324).
In this story Magica is dating Uncle Rumpus.  In the story, Scrooge
refers to Magica as being Rumpus's "inamorata".  Is "inamorata" the
kind of word used in a lot of stories for kids?!?  In the context of
the story, I knew what the word meant.  However, I must admit that if
out of the blue I was asked to define that word that I probably would
have had a hard time doing so. That of course is just one example.
Remember that Carl Barks himself never tried to write down to a
child's level.  I remember growing up reading his stories and often
asking my dad or looking up in a dictionary what a particular word
meant.  I think I knew at an earlier age than most what the word
"censored" meant -- it was the word Barks used when he couldn't print
what Donald was saying or thinking! :)

    I will be thrilled if it turns out to be true that the Carl Barks
library will be coming back.  That is the kind of thing I hoped
Gemstone would do earlier on, but better late than never!  Gary, I
like Olivier *plead* for you to tell us any details you can about
this!  If nothing else, can you confirm or deny this story?
Pleeeeeaaaasssseeeeee! (Sounding like Roger Rabbit! :)))

    Thanks to all the people who wrote about whether they want new
stories or prefer more reprints.  If there are others out there who
would like to add their 2 cents to this discussion, please do so!

    And on that note, I will end my 2 cents worth.  I guess with all I
wrote though that it is more like my 25 cents worth... :)

Dean Rekich






From wolfsong at mpinet.net  Fri Jul 30 01:47:07 2004
From: wolfsong at mpinet.net (JOHN CHADWICK)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 19:47:07 -0400
Subject: Commercials/Disney Outdated?
Message-ID: <410-22004742923477416@mpinet.net>

I know it's OT to say this, but I can't let everyone assume that age is the
only factor to consider as to whether or not people like Spongebob or not. 
My wife and I are 44 and 34 respectively and we both LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE
Spongebob!

Visit The Cartoon Character Hall of Fame at http://www.toonhalloffame.com


> [Original Message]
> From: Kriton Kyrimis <kyrimis at alumni.princeton.edu>
> To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
> Date: 7/29/2004 9:38:00 AM
> Subject: Re: Commercials/Disney Outdated?
>
> DEREK:
>
> > As for kids and what do they like these days? My 9 and soon to be 3
year 
> > old nieces, they are absolutely insane for stuff like Spongebob 
> > Squarepants. Yuck! I know I'm being biased.
>
> I think that this is simply the usual difference between generations,
where 
> parents tend to be critical of their children for daring to be different. 
> ("When I was your age...") What was, e.g., the attitude of the parents of 
> older list members, regarding their reading Disney comics? In my case,
e.g., 
> my mother kept telling me that it was a mistake that she had allowed me
to 
> read comics as a child. I'm fairly certain that she felt this way because
I 
> never got to read the books that *she* had read when she was young.
However, 
> given that I am an avid book reader, I can't imagine that reading comics
has 
> harmed my reading ability in any way. I just have different tastes from
my 
> mother, a crime for which I was apparently never forgiven!
>
> Perhaps, in twenty years' time, parents will despair at their children 
> watching whatever excites kids at that time, instead of wholesome 
> entertainment such as Spongebob Squarepants. (I think I've seen it, and I 
> think I don't care for it, and I *know* I'm 44 years old, so what do I
know?)
>
> 	Kriton.
> -----
> "How can anyone rewrite history when no one can even read it properly?"
> -----
>
> _______________________________________________
> http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml




From longtom at oeste.com.ar  Fri Jul 30 07:43:12 2004
From: longtom at oeste.com.ar (Fabio Blanco)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 02:43:12 -0300
Subject: Commercials/Disney Outdated?
References: <6.2f0a9a74.2e38c524@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c475f8$1abf4b60$010a0a0a@fabio>

Well, I think the problem is the Company. They are outdated, they insist with these sweet, dull, nonsense look for the merchandising of his characters. If they would use the tools of the Carl Barks like Don Rosa make in his comics, I am sure they could obtain too much profit (that's the goal, isn't? dollahs?)...

So what happens? you want give a Donald comic to the kids and they said: "oh, Donald, that babbling character of these ol' cartoons. I don't like" Go and have an argument with a kid about Barks an Rosa. Ha! 

FABIO

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From stravis at gemstonepub.com  Fri Jul 30 17:13:03 2004
From: stravis at gemstonepub.com (Travis Seitler)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:13:03 -0400
Subject: Uncle Scrooge: "Best Title for a Younger Audience"?
Message-ID: <3D1ED5F134E5764BAB6AAA851602164C0325A811@dntapps.diamondcomics.com>

My 2 bits:

"Best Title for a Younger Audience" is not the same as "Title Suited Only
for a Young Audience."

In the USA, we've got this really strange paradox. The general populace sees
comic books as "kid stuff," but almost all of the comics being published in
this country are inappropriate for children. So one of the main problems
buyers have is in finding books that are "safe" for kids to read.

"Best Title for a Younger Audience" is the industry's way of shouting, "you
won't find stuff in here that's inappropriate for your kids!" It says
nothing, one way or the other, about how well the title engages adults. I
see no reason to nay-say this award; as the wisest person to ever walk the
earth once said, "let the little children come to [us], and do not hinder
them."

Now, I realize there are a number of other categories in the Eisner awards,
none of which Gemstone was nominated for. For those of us who aren't
satisfied with that (including me), there are really only two choices. We
could either:
 (a) Assume we weren't nominated because the judges are
     jerks who were prejudiced against us (and OBVIOUSLY
     can't see our COPIOUS talent), and decide we'll just
     keep doing what we've been doing (except that now
     we're also complaining about the people who just
     awarded us). This attitiude is rooted in arrogance,
     and only leads to whining, narrow-mindedness and
     blindness.
 (b) Assume we weren't nominated because we just aren't
     up to snuff yet, and decide we'll work even harder
     to be "better than the best" next year. This leads
     to better stories, better art, better lettering,
     better editing, etc.
The first option lays blame on others, the second takes personal
responsibility. The first option cries, "victim," while the second rises to
the challenge.

The first option is the easy one. The second option is the right one.


One final note: Walt Disney aim was to provide wholesome entertainment for
the whole family...in this country, that's EXACTLY what this award says
we're accomplishing. A "nail in the coffin"? Pshaw.

Travis Seitler
Art Director, Disney Comic Books
Gemstone Publishing
stravis at gemstonepub.com


From xephyr at cwnet.com  Fri Jul 30 20:09:20 2004
From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:09:20 +0200 (MSZ)
Subject: Disney Comics (the REAL problem)
Message-ID: <20040730180920.D3AA014000@limicola.its.uu.se>

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From mickey at iol.it  Fri Jul 30 21:43:18 2004
From: mickey at iol.it (Mickey)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 21:43:18 +0200
Subject: Disney Comics (the REAL problem)
References: <20040730180920.D3AA014000@limicola.its.uu.se>
Message-ID: <000f01c4766d$76f66ab0$870c3352@computer>

Rich, you're totally right.
It's the same in Italy.
One of the craziest things of this under-exposure is that Disney comics are
the only product that there isn't in Disney Stores.
And even here, Disney comics are the only one genre that comics stores don't
sell. But I don't think it's totally fault of Disney...

Mickey




From sonia.dyer at hp.com  Sat Jul 31 07:23:11 2004
From: sonia.dyer at hp.com (Dyer, Sonia)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 22:23:11 -0700
Subject: Todd Klein
Message-ID: <ACA38D24CB855146A6166BD0D30E74F2D13EA5@cacexc06.americas.cpqcorp.net>


Todd Klein wrote "...freelance letterers are fast becoming extinct,
there are very few left, now that both Marvel and 
DC are doing most of their lettering in-house."

Todd, I'd be very interested in learning more about:
	1.  What do you think is the reason you keep winning?  What is
unique about your particular style?
	2.  What tools do you use, and do you have any special
techniques you like?

Everyone else - I'd like to hear your opinions too about what makes
Todd's work stand out from the pack -

         Thanks,
             Sonia




From info at speedcomics.de  Sun Jul 18 15:28:07 2004
From: info at speedcomics.de (SPEED Comics)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 15:28:07 +0200
Subject: AW: The chronological Donald - DVD
In-Reply-To: <BAY12-F13GgBcSYjcCI0002a0bf@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20040718132819.8A2B634C047@p15137393.pureserver.info>

mats gullikstad wrote:

> I've bought the "Chronological Donald" - DVD with movies in 
> the period 1934-1941 here in Norway.

You can find more info on this great series (and its international
editions) here:

http://www.dcml-talk.org/read.php?f=1&i=175&t=175

Best wishes,
Cord




From karlsen at lokarlsen.com  Mon Jul 19 13:05:20 2004
From: karlsen at lokarlsen.com (karlsen@lokarlsen.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 07:05:20 -0400
Subject: The chronological Donald - DVD
Message-ID: <191380-22004711911520793@M2W051.mail2web.com>



I answered to the original question yesterday, but I must have answered to
a private email, since it never came here.

But as I wrote in that email I explained that this box is from an American
serie of limited DVDs called "Walt Disney Treasures" and all those boxes
include only 2 DVDs with a special topic.

There are 3-4 new titles every christmas and here a list:

December 4, 2001 - 150,000 tins produced

* Mickey Mouse in Living Color
* Silly Symphonies
* Disneyland USA
* Davy Crockett: The Complete Televised Series

December 3, 2002 - 125,000 tins produced

* Mickey Mouse in Black & White
* The Complete Goofy
* Behind the Scenes at the Walt Disney Studio


May 18, 2004 - Varying Number of Tins produced (This was deleayd)

* Mickey Mouse in Living Color Volume 2 (175,000 tins)
* The Chronological Donald (165,000 tins)
* On the Front Lines (250,000 tins) 
* Walt's Tomorrowland (105,000 tins)

As you can see there was originaly a Mickey Mouse box but they never called
it "Volume 1" because they never knew if they would release a "Volume 2".
This box was originaly released on Laserdisc as a "Volume 1" but sold
terrible so they never made a second one. When it came to DVD Disney did
not want to make the same "mistake" so they just made it witout mentioning
that there might be another one.

When they made the "Cronological Donald" box they have learned from this
mistake and instead of calling it Volume 1 they just called it
Cronological. That way they easily can make a "Cronological Donald volume
2" in a couple of years. There is enough material for another 2 disc box
with Donald Duck.

So that is the reason why there "only" are 2 discs in the Europe and
Australian Donald DVD, it is just a copy from an original American edition
that just follows a patern for how to make them. It has nothing to do with
popularity in the US.

Lars Olav Karlsen
Oslo, Norway


Original Message:
-----------------
From: Fabio Blanco longtom at oeste.com.ar
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 16:44:25 -0300
To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
Subject: Re: The chronological Donald - DVD


> it is a world wide series.
> since they have a couple volumes of Mickey Mouse out, i assume if the
donald
> duck sold well, a second set will come out.
>
> steven rowe

And being a world series they know that are not so fans of Donald Duck in
the world as in the nordic countries. They maybe could sell four discs
there, but nobody in the rest of the world will pay more for him. Sad, but
economic. ;-)

FABIO
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From info at speedcomics.de  Tue Jul 20 14:49:56 2004
From: info at speedcomics.de (SPEED Comics)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 14:49:56 +0200
Subject: AW: A question of communication + Re: DCML Digest, Vol 17, Issue 19
In-Reply-To: <opsbfpoclegcyj3s@mp-217-38-206.daxnet.no>
Message-ID: <20040720125000.8816E34C048@p15137393.pureserver.info>

Olaf Solstrand wrote:

> can someone help me figuring out this: How does Gyro and Helper
communicate?

I don't think Gyro communicates with helper in the strictest sense of
the word. I rather see Helper as a part of Gyro. Sort of an external
personality appliance. Helper grounds Gyro in reality. Imagine a fusion
of Gyro and helper: The result would be a rather successful package,
wouldn't he? 

Or you can view them as an old couple: She says something, he doesn't
listen but nevertheless knows exactly what she said.

Cord 




From lars at lokarlsen.com  Tue Jul 20 23:23:19 2004
From: lars at lokarlsen.com (Lars Karlsen)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 23:23:19 +0200
Subject: SV: A question of communication + Re: DCML Digest, Vol 17, Issue 19
In-Reply-To: <opsbfpoclegcyj3s@mp-217-38-206.daxnet.no>
Message-ID: <NIBBJADNELFDNHHPBIKDOEFLCAAA.lars@lokarlsen.com>


I don't remember what comic I read it in but I am 99% sure that I have seen
Helper write notes to Gyro.

Lars Olav
Norway

-----Opprinnelig melding-----
Fra: dcml-bounces at stp.ling.uu.se [mailto:dcml-bounces at stp.ling.uu.se]P?
vegne av Olaf Solstrand
Sendt: 20. juli 2004 13:47
Til: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
Emne: A question of communication + Re: DCML Digest, Vol 17, Issue 19


Hello,

can someone help me figuring out this: How does Gyro and Helper
communicate?

In stories where Helper has something to say to Gyro (or others), what
does he do? Does he write, mime ... does he just think of what is correct,
use a little body language and Gyro amazingly as if using telepathy
understands him ("Bzzt! Bzzt!" "Oh, I didn't think of that. Yes, you're
right, I should replace those screws with bigger ones")? Or is the normal
situation that Gyro doesn't understand what Helper's trying to say at all?



Lars:

> He seems like a standard "journalist with no
> morals" to me. Is it just a coincidence that
> he hasn't been used much the last many decades?
> Does anybody out there know? Anybody?

I guess he was made in a time era when story writers "around the world",
uhm, I mean in USA, didn't really care about what the Italians did. But
that doesn't explain why Italian publishers didn't make more
Gatto-stories, so ... perhaps we should still look forward to new stories?

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From lars at lokarlsen.com  Fri Jul 23 22:20:35 2004
From: lars at lokarlsen.com (Lars Olav Karlsen)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 22:20:35 +0200
Subject: FW: Chronological Donald
Message-ID: <000401c470f2$858a5ad0$0200000a@HJEMME>

 
The next round of Treasures in America has already been talked about on
many Disney forums, and the men behind the DVDs has reviled that it will
be:
 
Mickey Mouse in Black & White Volume 2 
The Mickey Mouse Club 
The Complete Pluto 
True Life Adventures
 
There must be some pretty special events for this line to change, so I
guess we have to wait another year or so for the next Donald.
 
I have tried to send another two emails about the Donald box when I was
on vacation but I always get a message that it needs approval and I
never see it turn up so if this isn't turning up either I give up.
 
Lars Olav Karlsen
Oslo, Norway
 
-----Original Message-----
From: dcml-bounces at stp.ling.uu.se [mailto:dcml-bounces at stp.ling.uu.se]
On Behalf Of Adel Khan
Sent: 23. juli 2004 01:39
To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
Subject: RE: Chronological Donald
 
Hi all, 



I just bought 'The Chronological Donald 1" the set has 36 cartoons from
1934 - 1941. If you notice most Donald Duck shorts were censored Leonard
Maltin tells the reason the short was censored, shows the whole cartoon.
Most shorts from the 30"s I didn't enjoy another reason is because of
the quality. The second disc had much better shorts and the sound is
better.  Most of you might agree that I felt irritated they should have
made it a five disc complete set from the 50"s to 60"s.  Take this as a
rumor, but the following are probably the sets for the next year Mickey
Mouse in Black and White Volume II, Mickey Mouse Club, The Complete
Pluto and Chronological Donald 2. The shorts should be better then the
first set.

Adel
 
 


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From sander.dijkhuis at gmail.com  Sat Jul 31 14:13:41 2004
From: sander.dijkhuis at gmail.com (Sander Dijkhuis)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 21:13:41 +0900
Subject: Fan fiction
In-Reply-To: <ba6db70b04072303184ba74bd4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <005101c4709a$5f664970$7f0f3352@computer>
	<ba6db70b04072303184ba74bd4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ba6db70b04073105131dbe1821@mail.gmail.com>

I think I sent it to the wrong address (only to Mickey's), so here is
my reply (again?):

Mickey wrote:
> Maybe it's already been posted, but I've read this fan fiction
> http://www.sullivanet.com/duckburg/library/yukonfic/fic-main.htm
> dedicated to the love story between Scrooge and Goldie. I think it's very
> good. Do you agree?

Yes, it's a very nice story. There are two other great (comic) stories
of Katie Sullivan on that site:
http://www.sullivanet.com/duckburg/myart/webbedbliss/intro1.htm
http://www.sullivanet.com/duckburg/myart/icequeen.htm


> It's the only real "Ducks" fan fiction I've found on the web :-/

There is some Italian PK fan fiction at http://pk.immaginario.net/
('PKreations').
S?ren Haagerup and I have tried to make a Duck-fan fiction message
board some time ago, at http://fanfiction.mcduck.nl/. It's closed now
because almost nobody visited the site anymore, but you can still read
the stories.


Sander Dijkhuis
_________________________________________________________________
http://McDuck.nl/



From bangfish at cableone.net  Sat Jul 31 20:10:08 2004
From: bangfish at cableone.net (Gary Leach)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 11:10:08 -0700
Subject: A new CBL
In-Reply-To: <200407301000.i6UA0Ncp010813@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <DB2B8E03-E31C-11D8-92D6-000393C28E48@cableone.net>

Dean:

> I will be thrilled if it turns out to be true that the Carl Barks
> library will be coming back.  That is the kind of thing I hoped
> Gemstone would do earlier on, but better late than never!  Gary, I
> like Olivier *plead* for you to tell us any details you can about
> this!  If nothing else, can you confirm or deny this story?
> Pleeeeeaaaasssseeeeee! (Sounding like Roger Rabbit! :)))

Roger Rabbit? Who dat? (Kidding!) ((Almost...))

There is no new edition of the Carl Barks Library scheduled, for now or 
in the near future. What I can say with certainty is that a new CBL is 
now in production. Egmont initiated and is spearheading this, with 
Byron Erickson, Susan Daigle-Leach, and Geoffrey Blum involved.

This is a large undertaking. In spite of Another Rainbow's original 
CBL, Gladstone's color album version, and editions published in other 
countries, the various materials needed to put together a new edition 
have not been at all easy to gather up. The years have not been kind to 
anyone's production archives, physical or electronic, and much lost 
ground has to be made up. A desire for quality has also required a 
considerable effort to come up with the best and closest-to-original 
source materials possible - an effort that continues.

Why doesn't Gemstone go ahead with a CBL of its own? It would be 
possible, but it would also be an expensive and largely pointless 
duplication of effort. What Egmont's going for is, in many ways, an 
improved and updated Another Rainbow CBL in full color, and that's the 
sort of CBL Steve Geppi would like to put on the market in the US.

So the question is, when will Egmont have its new CBL in hand? With all 
the bumps in the road, it's been difficult for them to pin that down, 
and I wouldn't even hazard an educated - or, for that matter, 
instinctive - guess.

Gary



From Raptor165 at aol.com  Sat Jul 31 20:50:17 2004
From: Raptor165 at aol.com (Raptor165@aol.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 14:50:17 -0400
Subject: Hello
Message-ID: <2160A888.382FCF09.027DECC8@aol.com>

I'm new on this list. Just thought I'd send a sort of test e-mail.



From cord at wiljes.de  Sat Jul 31 22:12:12 2004
From: cord at wiljes.de (Cord Wiljes)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 22:12:12 +0200
Subject: AW: Commercials/Disney Outdated?
In-Reply-To: <20040730180920.D3AA014000@limicola.its.uu.se>
Message-ID: <20040731201217.9068234C049@p15137393.pureserver.info>

Rich wrote: 

> Firstly, I'm not so sure the problem is international in it's 
> scope, as, it appears that a variety Disney Comics are still readily 
> available in other countries (maybe to a lesser degree than in the 
> past, but still to a greater degree than in the USA).

Can any list member report from his or her country that the sales figures 
of Disney comics have *not* declined slowly but steadily? Here in Germany 
the print run of the "Micky Maus" has declined from 1.500.000 to 'only' 
500.000 currently.

> (...) the REAL problem is "EXPOSURE!"
> (...) However, if I go to a Comic Book store I'm extremely lucky if 
> I find back issues of WALT DISNEY COMICS & STORIES or UNCLE SCROOGE, etc.

Is a company actively *creating* a demand for its products - or just reacting 
and fulfilling an existing demand? Would people buy more Disney comics if they 
were readily available? Probably yes. But certainly not enough to justify 
the enormous costs of pushing them into the market. Let's make a thought 
experiment: We create a marketing campain for Disney comics in the league 
of Nintendo's "Pokemon". Would this result in a Disney comics craze among 
kids? Most probably not.

The strength and at the same time the handicap of Disney comics is their 
long tradition: They offer reliably good and clean entertainment. But at 
the same time they tend to become predictable and therefore do not catch 
interest. 

Fabio wrote:
> Well, I think the problem is the Company. They are outdated, 
> they insist with these sweet, dull, nonsense look for the 
> merchandising of his characters.

But then the comics are not created by Disney but by contractors like Egmont. 
And would they really start producing innovative stuff if let loose? Would 
this even be desirable? Would not the members of this group be the first to 
cry out if they should feel that their heroes could be damaged by any new 
kid on the block? "Donald Spawn" created by Todd McFarlane? "The Snotty Duck 
Returns" created by Frank Miller?

The most daring digressions from the Duck mainstream are produced in Italy, 
as far as I know. "PK" for example has some pretty wild stuff. But this does 
not seem to spread on to other countries.

In some way Disney comics are frozen in time. Let's make another thought
experiment: Take any comic from today's newsstand (Spider-Man, Superman, 
even The Simpsons) and move it back with a time machine to the Sixties. How 
would people back then react to this comic? I think they would be thrilled. 
They would not necessarily like it, but they would notice that it is very 
different from their comics. Now move back any current Disney  comic back 
to the Sixties. Would people even notice that it is different? Even Don Rosa 
(who IMO always kept a slightly subversive (in a good way!) Underground's 
style) would probably be taken as a contemporary comics creator.

Dean Rekich wrote:
> One reason I think it will be hard to get kids to read Disney
> comics is that it seems kids "grow up" somuch faster that they used
> to. For example, I have read that where as 20 or 30 years ago girls
> played with Barbie dolls until the ages of say 10 or 11, that today
> girls think they are too old for Barbie dolls after they are 5 or 6
> years old!  In that case perhaps it was acceptable in the 1950s for
> kids 10 to 12 to read comics about Donald and Mickey, but today kids
> that same age would look on reading Disney comics as something for
> "babies". 

You named the core of the problem here, I believe! Twenty years ago 
Neil Postman wrote the book "The Disappearance of Childhood". Postman 
describes how the concept of "childhood" is a cultural achievement 
created by the rise of literacy. And how it is steadily declining 
since the invention of the telegraph up to modern mass media. 
Children grow up faster today. Even small children have schedules 
like a manager. They dress like adults.

No child wants to be judged as "childish". The want to be taken seriously 
and try to act like they are older. And Disney comics are kids' stuff, 
of course. So once a child can read (at the age of seven) he could read 
Disney comics. But when all his classmates are already into "Dragonball Z" so
he will probably keep away from the Disney's.

Think about the childhood of Huey, Dewey and Louie as described by Barks 
and others: They freely run around the neighborhood. They try dangerous 
stunts. they talk to strangers. They play with their friends without 
any grown-ups watching. They get dirty.

Is this the life today's kids can identify with? Or is it a lifestyle 
which is now extinct?

Kriton wrote:
> I think that this is simply the usual difference between generations, 
> where parents tend to be critical of their children for daring to be 
> different. 

You are right that each new generation has its own style, needs and 
feeling. And the previous generation has mostly just a limited 
understanding for the new trends. But with some current trends 
like "Pokemon" I would not call it  "daring to be different". 
Many of these are medida hypes pushed into the children just to make 
money, without any real substance or content. But then of course there 
are also truly innovative new ideas which conquer new grounds - 
like "The Simpsons" did in the 90s.

To sum it up I must admit that the current discussion so far has rather 
strengthened my belief that Disney comics have nearly reached the status 
of "certified classics", which means:

+ they are generally accepted (= nobody feels that they threateed by them)
+ they are no longer of great commercial importance
+ they will be here to stay (= reprints will always be available)
+ children will shun them and prefer current forms of entertainment

This also means that some dozens of years into the future, once the 
generation which grew up with them is gone, Disney comics will probably 
share the fate of other comics classics (like Pogo), literary classics 
(like Jane Austen) or movie classics (like Fritz Lang):  A few people 
will still love and read/watch them, but for the general audience they 
will be lost.

It might sound a little bit sad, but then ... so is life. And I for my part 
am looking forward to the things to come. Which reminds me to look up 
this Spongebob Squarepants :-)

Cord




From Raptor165 at aol.com  Sat Jul 31 22:18:05 2004
From: Raptor165 at aol.com (Raptor165@aol.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 16:18:05 -0400
Subject: Back Order
Message-ID: <52DB860A.1C5AEB63.027DECC8@aol.com>

I was curious as to how I could get a particular comic that I've been scouring locally and from afar to find--I believe it's a WDC&S, entitled "The Duck in the Iron Pants", in which the nephews build an impenetrable snow fort and Donald must don armor to try and break through. Does anyone know where I could get this one, or rather how?
thanks,
dp