From alexnielsen at mail.tele.dk Thu Sep 1 11:43:49 2005 From: alexnielsen at mail.tele.dk (Alex Nielsen) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 11:43:49 +0200 Subject: SV: The Stone that Turns All Metals Gold In-Reply-To: <2bc630c405083104223c319b82@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000701c5aed9$a82217b0$96715853@p4> Hello, It is NOT sold until now; http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6557206885 Its "only" signed; "C. BARKS" and below is written "Idea Sketch", so this is one of the (smaller than the finished official "The Stone that Turns All Metals Gold" oil painting") idea-sketches.... On the official finished oil paintings, the signature is always "CARL BARKS", and on the back is a unique numbering of each painting. The value for the one in auction is around $15000-$18000. Why the seller set the price at $125k, I dont know ?? My best, Alex Nielsen www.carlbarks.ws www.carlbarks.biz - Carl Barks items for sale (I have much more than the FEW things listed there !).... -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: Victor [mailto:victor1717 at gmail.com] Sendt: 31. august 2005 13:23 Til: dcml at stp.lingfil.uu.se Emne: The Stone that Turns All Metals Gold Hi! I saw that an original oilpainting by Barks (The Stone that Turns All Metals Gold), were sold on ebay for 125 000 Usdollar. Is it really worth so much? I mean, that is what it cost to buy a little house! From fstromberg at telia.com Thu Sep 1 12:14:47 2005 From: fstromberg at telia.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fredrik_Str=F6mberg?=) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 12:14:47 +0200 (MEST) Subject: Sherlock, again Message-ID: <20354418.1125569687797.JavaMail.tomcat@pne-ps3-sn1> >Peter Kylling offers a list of some Barks detective stories at his website: http://cbarks.dk/thedetectivestories.htm . In some of them HD&L wears the characteristic Sherlock Holmes hats. - And, off course we must not forget Shamrock Bones...an obvious parody of Holmes, with the same hat and pipe, but not quite the same wit as Holmes... http://shorterlink.com/?YKL71N Thanks! I had forgotten about Shamrock, even though he was part of my childhood readings. >PS: I'm curious: What are you writing forewords for? I write forewords for the collections of the Swedish KAlle Anka (Donald Duck) magazine. It os doiing very well, and we have reached the year 1960, which means that more than 12 years of the magazine has been collected in studry volumes. Cheers! f _____________________ Fredrik Str?mberg Hantverkaregatan 6 D 211 55 Malm? Sweden +46 (0)40 611 00 89 ____________________ From ola.martinsson at ericsson.com Thu Sep 1 13:14:11 2005 From: ola.martinsson at ericsson.com (Ola Martinsson (AS/EAB)) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 13:14:11 +0200 Subject: Mickey and the gang Good Housekeeping reprint Message-ID: Hi ! Does anyone on this list know if there is any difference between the Hardcover and Softcover edition of Mickey and the gang Good Housekeeping reprint ? Ola in sunny Stockholm +20 and clear blue sky -----Original Message----- From: dcml-bounces at stp.lingfil.uu.se [mailto:dcml-bounces at stp.lingfil.uu.se]On Behalf Of dcml-request at stp.lingfil.uu.se Sent: den 1 september 2005 11:27 To: dcml at stp.lingfil.uu.se Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 31, Issue 1 Send DCML mailing list submissions to dcml at stp.lingfil.uu.se To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to dcml-request at stp.lingfil.uu.se You can reach the person managing the list at dcml-owner at stp.lingfil.uu.se When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of DCML digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: HD&L VS The Love (Halsten Aastebol) 2. Of love, childhod, and... ducks (Santiago Garc?a) 3. The Stone that Turns All Metals Gold (Victor) 4. Turning Red Alert To Yellow Alert - Brazilian Comics fans. (asaramelli) 5. Sherlock Holmes? (Fredrik Str?mberg) 6. Re: Sherlock Holmes? (Ole Damgaard) 7. Re: Sherlock Holmes? (Mads Jensen) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:37:59 +0200 From: Halsten Aastebol Subject: RE: HD&L VS The Love To: David Gerstein , "'KUR'" Cc: "DCML \(E-mail\)" Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20050831093057.02d44b90 at pop.elkraft.ntnu.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 16:48 30.08.2005 -0400, David Gerstein wrote: > Hey Maciek, > > > In evry story I seen, I olweys Imagent that HD&L are like 9-10 yers old... > > They seam look to be this age. > > > For me, the "mature" HDL of the mid-1950s always struck me as being >around 12 or 13. But then, my view of the nephews has always been colored, >too, by the first cartoon I ever saw them in- LUCKY NUMBER, where they seem >to be teens, drive Donald's car, and want one of their own. > > > Yet! It would be a funny story if HD&L would get in love in much older > > girl... maby sombody well k'now like Dicki, Magica, Brigitta or Daisy > > > Yikes! Sounds scary! Dickie is like a big sister to the boys, and >just the thought of them falling for Magica or Brigitta... O-8 > On the other hand, in the earliest days, the nephews DO seem to have >some kind of vague romantic interest in Daisy. Long before that "Aunt Daisy" >stuff got started, there were cartoons like MR. DUCK STEPS OUT where the >kids actually seem to want to beat Donald's time and have Daisy to >themselves, for apparently romantic reasons... > > David In Barks' "In Old California", it certainly seems like Panchita is making the blood run faster in HDL's veins (and Donald's)! But then again, they are not in love with her, only charmed. Instead they support Ronaldo's efforts. But of course, the whole thing was just some kind of dream. A brilliant story! Halsten ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:43:02 +0200 (CEST) From: Santiago Garc?a Subject: Of love, childhod, and... ducks To: dcml at stp.lingfil.uu.se Message-ID: <20050831114302.20555.qmail at web52608.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Dan Shane: Thank you for this little argue which helps me out of the routine for a few moments ;-) All right: I see our points of view about childhood are quite different. By my own experience: My friends and me had our first girlgriends at 7 or 8. And we felt that was real love, not as a way to imitate the adult people, believe me. And that was indeed an very exciting adventure for us. > I feel sorry for kids who hurry up their > lives and pretend that they are emotionally mature > enough to get involved in > the way many adults seem to think is "cute." Yes, I understand what you mean, but I'd just not include loving into that "effort" to pretend to be mature. > As a small boy I was [...] wonderful > to be around because of the joy I found in life. I > want the nephews always to exhibit that joy, not get > bogged down in the mire of romance. Sorry, but I cannot see why you seem to see romance as a duty instead of a joy. Moreover, falling in love is not a kind of task one usually imposes to himself, but a natural "accident" that sometimes happens. I just think that could happen to HDL occasionally, just like it happens to some children of their age. > You are comparing apples and oranges. All these are > instances of the nephews' MENTAL acuity, not > EMOTIONAL maturity. The figurative heart has nothing > to do with the logical head. Do you really think that emotional maturity is not linked *anyway* with rational maturity? All right, let's assume it. Then, let me pose these other examples instead: (May I go on with Barks?) -In "You can't guess", HDL feel fed up with toys and decide to let Santa Claus give their toys to the poor children; -In "The golden river", HDL stay with Scrooge and take care of him even after he's been so mean not to give'em money for their sport field; -In "No such varmint", HDL are worried about Donald getting a good job while he is only wandering about playing his flute here and there; -In "The secret of Hondorica", HDL force Donald to rescue Gladstone from the natives' village, even if he's going to keep half the reward they will get from Scrooge; -In "Back to the Klondike", HDL feel guilty after they have discovered Gliterring Goldie to Scrooge; -In "The old castle's secret", HDL are the only ones who pursue the ghost ("Uncle Quackly") never letting him frighten them; -In "The golden helmet", HDL are the only ones sensitive enough to let the helmet sunk instead of owning it to be the masters of America. Look: In all of these examples, I'd say HDL's behaviour is much more *emotionally* mature than any of the adults around (Donald, Scrooge, etc). Excuse me, but I think it's a major probe of emotional maturity to have as high control of one's feelings as to let appart one's own wishes and take care of the next, instead. Try to see it the other way: Would you say Donald is emotionally mature to be in love? Then, why is he often so selfish, ingenuous, coward, pride, insolent, etc? Just my opinion. Cheers, Santiago. P.S.: Excuse me this last part, Donald fans. It's nothing personal ;-) ______________________________________________ Renovamos el Correo Yahoo! Nuevos servicios, m?s seguridad http://correo.yahoo.es ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:22:40 +0200 From: Victor Subject: The Stone that Turns All Metals Gold To: dcml at stp.lingfil.uu.se Message-ID: <2bc630c405083104223c319b82 at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi! I saw that an original oilpainting by Barks (The Stone that Turns All Metals Gold), were sold on ebay for 125 000 Usdollar. Is it really worth so much? I mean, that is what it cost to buy a little house! ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:16:45 -0300 From: asaramelli Subject: Turning Red Alert To Yellow Alert - Brazilian Comics fans. To: dcml at stp.lingfil.uu.se Message-ID: <20050831_141645_094743.asaramelli at ig.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear DCML friends This week, in the Brazilian Disney Comics List, Mr. Emerson Agune, publisher from Editora Abril Team commented with us the decisions are run for the Brazilian market Disney Comics operation. He said that both, the Editora Abril and Disney Brasil team, with their commercial, financial, sales, marketing and publicity, experts are concerned, the bad decisions were needed for keep the comics, and they are completely able to manage sucessfully the situation. So, we put all our expectatives on the Brazilian experts team, and we, as fans, are ready to help them if needed . All we can do now, is to wait. We will never forget the July/August decisions. It?s a bad moment for all Disney Comics fans in Brazil and around the world. If, by their experts avaliation , the bad decisions are necessary, we must to trust. For the other side, we are with an ask in the air : Is it REALLY necessary ? Thank you, turning the " Red alert " to Yellow alert" Alexandre Saramelli --------------------------------- It sounds like the events that asaramelli reports are happening in Brazil are very similar to what already happened here in the USA. I really don't know what to suggest. - Tor kinlok ---------------------------------- On Saturday August 20, Alexandre Samarelli wrote:Situation is not good in brazilian subsidiary of McDuck Enterprises . Unfortunately, Disney Comics in Brazil is in an advanced death penalty process. On Thursday, August 25, Alexandre Samarelli wrote: I and all the brazilian comics fans are under red alert. Help us with your influence, to keep the brazilian Disney Comics Quality. Could you tell us some more about this "red alert" situation, you seem very concerned about? I'm afraid I didn't quite understand the fully extend of this. Is your local Disney comics publisher in danger of closing, or is this simply a case of them doing too many reprints of old stories and too few new ones, and you not liking it? Or is it the quality of new stories, you are concerned about? Best regards, Ole Daamgard Dear Mr. Ole Daamgard and all DCML friends I thank you for the ask, and curiosity. It?s good to share this situation with the international Disney Comics Fans, because, some times there are things only fans are able to observe. And with your help we become more stronger to our voice be heard. In the first place, I?m going to comment some aspects we observe as readers (customers) in Disney Comics brazilian market, and after, my personl opinion about the causes : Disney comics used to be for many years the top selled products for our local publisher, the Editora Abril. From a small publisher in 50's and 60's, Editora Abril turned the first brazilian publisher, with an enormous industrial and commercial operation. Since the end of the local comics histories production, the comics quality is decreasing each month. When I say "quality decreasing ", I?m not saying about the quality of histories. I?m saying about the quality of print product, distribuition , promotion and sales structure : - Pages are being cutted. The Tio Patinhas magazine for example, used to be printed with 130 pages. Since April 2004 , 100 pages, and this month, august, only 80 pages. - There?s no more promotion . In the past, the new magazines used to be promoted via TV advertisements, Now, nothing. Even a little paper advertisement in newsstands are made. - There?s no more publicity. In the past, each comics used to receive advertisment by strong companies like Nestle. Today, nothing. - There?s no more people commenting about the stories. Childrens, and teens, generally, buy another publishing products. - There?s no more subscriptions. The magazines are only selled in the newsstands. And newsstands generally don?t sale as sucessful as subscriptions systems are . And since this month, Editora Abril promoted nonsense decisions : The traditional Almanaque Disney was finished . Almanaque Disney was so famous than Topolino is in Italy. In it?s place they began Aventuras Disney, with only 80 pages. And the worst off all decisions : They decided to sectorize the distribuition. I explain : They print the comics, send only to the southeast cities ( the richest brazilian cities, like S?o Paulo, Rio de Janeiro and Belo Horizonte), and after three months, they are going to send the non selled comics in another brazilian cities. This decision causes an exclusion feeling in brazilian readers that live on "sectorized" cities. If you live in Porto alegre or in Salvador, you are under a "second class reader" sensation. And now, let?s analyse the causes : First of all, Editora Abril created some years ago, new magazines for the children public : Revista Recreio, and Witch. Both of them are receiving all kind of sales efforts. The Disney Comics are completely outside of the process. Second ; Disney Brasil company don?t work integrated with Editora Abril. Disney Brasil promote only the new Disney characters, and forgot the traditionals. Mr Marcos Rosset, the Disney Brasil President as I obsorve, only acts on the Disney Channel Closed TV . And the main problem : They planned the Disney comics to be as cheaper as possible. It?s wrong. The real whisper is to act on the "reader quality perception". Because promotion less, people dont?t see quality on the comics. So, they don?t buy comics! It?s possible to put the best histories ever time created by Disney Artists, and to sale with the cheaper price , people are not going to buy. Brazilian Comics market, if good management, is a very profitable market. At the same time, I think we are on the point of no return. The next step, if nothing professional is done, is to finish the comics production. To finish a comics magazine like Uncle Scrooge, in a country where 85 % of new enterprises dies in it?s first 5 years old is a crime. Uncle Scrooge is the only business world character , who gives the opportunity to talk about business world subjects to children young and adults. obviously I love Uncle Scrooge as a fan, but talking with professional vision : We need characters like Uncle Scrooge. Under this situation I ask for all : See with special care the decisions are taken by the Editora Abril and Disney Brasil?s executives . Alexandre Saramelli S?o Paulo - SP - Brasil Alexandre Saramelli is 32 years old, and is an accountant. Alexandre and his father Darcy Saramelli, 74 , loves Disney Comics, specially Uncle Scrooge Character. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:34:00 +0200 From: Fredrik Str?mberg Subject: Sherlock Holmes? To: Message-ID: <000101c5ae5a$8e5211c0$3b36f953 at fredrik5ec2e32> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi again! I have now completed the foreword on Shakespeare in Disney comics (thanks for all the help) and have started the next one, which will be about Arthur Conan Doyle and Sherlock Holmes. I have located the comics with Basil The Mouse Detective and The Sleuth and I am now looking for more obscure parodies, satires, references etc. If anyone can hep me with suggestions, I would be most grateful. Cheers! Fredrik Str?mberg Hantverkaregatan 6 D 211 55 Malm? Sweden +46 40 611 00 89 ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 23:09:16 +0200 From: "Ole Damgaard" Subject: Re: Sherlock Holmes? To: "Disney Comics Mailing List" Message-ID: <000601c5ae70$3f2051a0$fd475853 at oles> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 8:34 PM Subject: Sherlock Holmes? > I have now completed the foreword on Shakespeare in Disney comics (thanks > for all the help) and have started the next one, which will be about > Arthur Conan Doyle and Sherlock Holmes. I have located the comics with > Basil The Mouse Detective and The Sleuth and I am now looking for more > obscure parodies, satires, references etc. If anyone can help me with > suggestions, I would be most grateful. Fredrik Str?mberg Elementary, my dear Watson! :-) Peter Kylling offers a list of some Barks detective stories at his website: http://cbarks.dk/thedetectivestories.htm . In some of them HD&L wears the characteristic Sherlock Holmes hats. - And, off course we must not forget Shamrock Bones...an obvious parody of Holmes, with the same hat and pipe, but not quite the same wit as Holmes... http://shorterlink.com/?YKL71N PS: I'm curious: What are you writing forewords for? /ole ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 23:38:15 +0200 From: Mads Jensen Subject: Re: Sherlock Holmes? To: DCML Mailing List Message-ID: <43162347.10000 at inducks.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Fredrik Str?mberg wrote: > I have now completed the foreword on Shakespeare in Disney comics (thanks > for all the help) and have started the next one, which will be about Arthur > Conan Doyle and Sherlock Holmes. I have located the comics with Basil The > Mouse Detective and The Sleuth and I am now looking for more obscure > parodies, satires, references etc. If anyone can hep me with suggestions, I > would be most grateful. Mickey Mouse comes to mind, especially the classical Gottfredson episodes. There's got to some references to Sherlock Holmes in this character. Do you plan to write about Tolkien ? If so, IS TL 2081-1 (I TL 2081-1) is a reference to "Lord of the Rings". - -- Mads Jensen Dansk Donaldist-Forening - http://ddfr.dk INDUCKS - http://inducks.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDFiNHPOK1Nn53W9oRAps4AJ41zAclCUB9ylbZV7RD41M8Giah2wCfREy9 mzHi4yOHICjCa7/8Son0/w4= =cIkM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ dcml at stp.ling.uu.se - Disney Comics Mailing List http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml End of DCML Digest, Vol 31, Issue 1 *********************************** From pfr at vestas.com Thu Sep 1 13:20:45 2005 From: pfr at vestas.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Poul_Sp=E6rhage_Fr=F8kj=E6r?=) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 13:20:45 +0200 Subject: Barks' pencil layout to 'King Scrooge the first' found. Message-ID: <80276B34E0E69D488EB19E33D2EA2005265216@DKRDSEXCVSMBS02.vestas.net> Hi Guys, I don't know if this is 'common knowledge' but I doubt it. In Scandinavia the first set in a new 10 set-edition Barks library has recently been mailed out to subscribers. Geofry Blum has done the texts and he mentions that the pencil layouts for 'King Scrooge the first' has been found. There was a single picture example with Strobl's art beside Barks' pencil. Also Daan Jippes has already had his pen on this and has re-done (at least) this panel, in a 'true to Barks' manner. Also shown in the new CBL. So within too long my guess would be that Gemstone can proudly present one of Barks' (IMO) best later stories in an art style very close to Barks. Gary -is there a date, already ??? Thats it for now. Best Poul Frokjar, Denmark From danshane at bellsouth.net Thu Sep 1 16:18:34 2005 From: danshane at bellsouth.net (Dan Shane) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 10:18:34 -0400 Subject: Young Ducks and their emotions In-Reply-To: <200509010926.j819Qmfl016816@numerus.lingfil.uu.se> Message-ID: <200509011418.j81EIb3F002278@mail-relay.iu.edu> SANTIAGO WRITES: > Sorry, but I cannot see why you seem to see romance as a duty > instead of a joy. Moreover, falling in love is not a kind of > task one usually imposes to himself, but a natural "accident" > that sometimes happens. I just think that could happen to HDL > occasionally, just like it happens to some children of their age. AND MY RESPONSE IS: Oh, I agree that it COULD happen to the nephews, as it can to anyone. I'm just saying I don't want to see it happen, as it would ruin my perception of their "all boy" personalities. Certainly lots of kids of the same age as HD&L "fall in love", but I just don't see our boys doing so. If anyone writes a story where one of them forms a crush on a girl I will immediately dismiss that tale as non-canonical. THEN SANTIAGO ASKS: > Do you really think that emotional maturity is not linked > *anyway* with rational maturity? AND I ANSWER: No, I absolutely believe that the figurative heart can motivate individuals to perform beneficial and well-reasoned acts, such as you list here: > Then, let me pose these other examples instead: (May I go on > with Barks?) > -In "You can't guess", HDL feel fed up with toys and > decide to let Santa Claus give their toys to the poor children; > -In "The golden river", HDL stay with Scrooge and take > care of him even after he's been so mean not to give'em money > for their sport field; > -In "No such varmint", HDL are worried about Donald > getting a good job while he is only wandering about playing > his flute here and there; > -In "The secret of Hondorica", HDL force Donald to > rescue Gladstone from the natives' village, even if he's > going to keep half the reward they will get from Scrooge; > -In "Back to the Klondike", HDL feel guilty after they > have discovered Gliterring Goldie to Scrooge; > -In "The old castle's secret", HDL are the only ones > who pursue the ghost ("Uncle Quackly") never letting him > frighten them; > -In "The golden helmet", HDL are the only ones > sensitive enough to let the helmet sunk instead of owning it > to be the masters of America. But the original post was about romantic love, not brotherly love (Greek root 'philia') or the principled love (Greek root 'agape') for mankind that motivates people to perform good deeds. None of the examples you listed has anything to do with "falling in love" (Greek root 'eros'). I am foursquare on your side about the nephews' fine character and unselfish love that impels them to help their family and friends. However, if you are going to claim that sympathy and caring have any kinship with the animal attraction that typifies romantic love I fear your argument will fall on deaf ears. Kids can show love by sharing and thinking of others ahead of themselves. They develop this ability early on. And some youngsters also fall in love, either because they are imitating the affection their parents show each other or (regrettably) emulating the infatuations of others. But it didn't happen to me or my siblings, and none of my 4 children demonstrated such feelings until they were teenagers. And I still maintain that just because something CAN AND DOES HAPPEN in our society, that does not mean it has to happen to my heroes. I recognize very well the foibles and imperfections of my favorite characters. Donald is somewhat slothful and perhaps overly carefree. $crooge is miserly and does not immediately think of others. The nephews seem to be the closest to ethical perfection of any characters in the Duck comics, though they can still occasionally be prankish and disobedient (as pre-teens often are). But I still cannot picture them attracted to girls in a romantic way -- it would just not be the HD&L I knew as a kid and as I view them now. From ola.martinsson at ericsson.com Thu Sep 1 17:09:02 2005 From: ola.martinsson at ericsson.com (Ola Martinsson (AS/EAB)) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 17:09:02 +0200 Subject: Sorry for mailing the whole digest to the list ... Message-ID: Oooops ! Sorry I mailed the whole digest to the list when I asked about Mickey and the gang. Ola in still sunny clear blue sky Stockholm From comicchar_shop at yahoo.com Thu Sep 1 18:12:48 2005 From: comicchar_shop at yahoo.com (dennis books) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 09:12:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Visitation Message-ID: <20050901161248.59384.qmail@web51908.mail.yahoo.com> Dear DCML readers, I will be traveling to Europe on the Carl Barks Fan Club Goodwill Tour. The centerpiece of the tour will be the Barks International Art Exibition to be held in Rapallo,Italy from Sept 17-Oct 2. I will also spend time in Helsinke, Copenhagen, Paris and Florence. My main interest is in buying, trading or seeing early Disney related items manufactured or published before 1950. If you can suggest any stores, places or people to visit please send me a private e-mail with that information. More Disneyana was produced in countries other than the United States ! Looking forward to your reponse...Dennis Books --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20050901/7a8748b4/attachment.html From elaine1 at snet.net Thu Sep 1 17:55:24 2005 From: elaine1 at snet.net (Elaine Ramshaw) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 11:55:24 -0400 Subject: Christmas stories Message-ID: <001b01c5af0d$b021d4d0$707efea9@Narnia> Thanks for the feedback on Barks' Christmas stories. I am pleased to note that Silent Night, one of the two I have never seen, will indeed be in this year's Gemstone Christmas Parade!! Those guys fulfill my requests before I even make them! I was interested to note that the webpage Gilles referred me to omitted "Grandma's Present". From lschulte at sfstoledo.org Thu Sep 1 17:41:06 2005 From: lschulte at sfstoledo.org (L. Schulte) Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 11:41:06 -0400 Subject: Mouse Detective In-Reply-To: <200509011427.j81ERYcL021983@numerus.lingfil.uu.se> References: <200509011427.j81ERYcL021983@numerus.lingfil.uu.se> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.1.20050901113013.01cbf708@10.101.112.8> Greetings to all! The discussion about detective stories reminded me of the animated Disney movie in the middle 1980's The Great Mouse Detective, which used the voice of the great Vincent Price for Rattigan, the villain in the story. I have always thought this movie was underrated and under-appreciated. The finale, in the gears of the clock Big Ben, has even been copied by Jackie Chan in Shanghai Knights. If you do not know this movie, made before The Lion King, you are missing a very fine and funny piece of work.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20050901/84bdaaca/attachment.html From elaine1 at snet.net Thu Sep 1 19:21:52 2005 From: elaine1 at snet.net (Elaine Ramshaw) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 13:21:52 -0400 Subject: HD&L's emotional maturity and identical status Message-ID: <001e01c5af19$bffd0300$707efea9@Narnia> OK, I'm not often going to post long messages here, but I can't help writing one about the nephews. I have always thought of HD&L as being about 10 years old, in the mid-50's "present" of the classic Barks stories and the Rosa stories. In the earlier Barks stories and the animated cartoons where they were hellions, I think of them as 8 or 9. This would be before they joined the Junior Woodchucks, leading to the transformation Rosa portrays so memorably in WHADALOTTAJARGON. I do not think the nephews would be aware of having a romantic interest in girls. My 12-year-old godson (midwestern, suburban, public school) still turns his face away and makes mildy disgusted noises whenever a movie he likes (e.g. Mystery Men) has a mushy moment. As for Calvin, Watterson wrote that "Calvin has never been a literal six-year-old" (The Calvin and Hobbes Tenth Anniversary Book, p. 196). Watterson wrote (p. 24), "I suspect that Calvin has a mild crush on [Susie] that he expresses by trying to annoy her"--but that crush shows that his emotional/mental age is fluid. And besides, Calvin doesn't understand himself to have a crush on Susie. A closer analog to HD&L might be Jason from Foxtrot, who probably has a bit of a crush on a smart girl classmate but is certainly not consciously aware of it himself (not to mention being ready to admit to it anyone else). I am mostly with Dan Shane on this issue; I would regard as noncanonical any story in which one of the nephews thought himself to be in love. In my mind, they might, like Jason or Calvin, express a mild crush by harassing a girl. But it wouldn't be a cute, feminine type like April, May and June; it would have to be a smart girl, like Lulu. In reference to Santiago's statement, "They are not shown acting as *actual* kids, but as we wished our children to behave"--I don't agree with that. Yes, they are, as Dan says, the closest to ethical maturity among the ducks. But in their ability to rescue the adults, they are a *child's* fantasy of what a kid should be/really is, not an adult fantasy of what a child should be (like, say, Shirley Temple in most of her movies). See Barks' comment in Donald Ault's _Carl Barks: Conversations_, p. 107: "The kids can get themselves in some pretty bad messes through something they do wrong, and then Donald has a chance to rescue them, so I used that angle once in a while. But mostly it was Donald who was the guy who was going to get clobbered and the kids who were going to rescue him. It worked out better, and it seemed that it appealed to more people that way. Because the readers were kids themselves, they liked to feel a little bit superior to the uncle who was strutting around." Kids want to imagine themselves as smarter and more competent than the adults who order them around, to imagine themselves in the role of rescuers on whose help the adults depend. My own interest in HD&L's psychology has long been in their identical triplet status. As the younger sister of identical twins (who kindly shared their comics with me!), I'm intrigued by how they are alike and different. When Dolly the sheep got everyone hysterical about the prospect of cloning humans, I and all other people familiar with identical twins were amused, knowing that identical twins, who are genetically identical *and* raised in the same environment at the same time, still do not emerge as identical persons. Very similar, more similar than the most similar non-identical siblings, yes. But still wholly distinct persons. This doesn't mean that I object to Rosa's portrayal of HD&L as interchangeable persons. I am charmed by Rosa's conceit that HD&L are "the same character times 3, with no individual traits," as he wrote here in October '03, and I enjoy his stories based on that premise. The nephews' indignation at Scrooge's suggestion that they are "pretty much alike" in Return to Plain Awful was one of the laugh-out-loud moments for me in that story. At the same time, I'm interested in how other writers might view the nephews' identical triplethood differently. I've written to Gemstone that the one story which hasn't appeared yet in English that I'd like to see is the McGreals' "Happy Birthday Times 3", wherein the nephews try to establish separate identities. (I've even tried unsuccessfully to get a copy in French or Dutch or German or some language I can read.) As you can see from my letter published way back in DD 305, this is the sort of story I've been hoping someone would write. From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Thu Sep 1 20:21:13 2005 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 20:21:13 +0200 Subject: Sherlock Holmes? References: <000101c5ae5a$8e5211c0$3b36f953@fredrik5ec2e32> Message-ID: <005d01c5af21$ef7f3500$57ec7852@computer> Hello! - Fredrik - >>> I have now completed the foreword on Shakespeare in Disney comics (thanks >>> for all the help) and have started the next one, which will be about Arthur >>> Conan Doyle and Sherlock Holmes. I suppose you already have it, but just in case: Don Markstein & Noel Van Horn's excellent "Surefoot Jones" (D 98461) , published in MM & Fiends 261 (February 2004), which I only read a few noghts ago. A funny parody of Doyle's character, starring Surefoot Jones and his partner, Watsup. Totally unrelated-- the only common point is that i only read it a few nights ago as well: I loved Gorm Transgaard & Esteban"s "An Entangled Encounter" (D 99221), published in U$ 326, February 2004. It was simple, yet well told-- it all flowed smoothly; a very nice story. Related-- I liked "The Sleuth stories too; funny silly stories. All the best, Olivier From saturno3x1 at yahoo.es Fri Sep 2 10:22:45 2005 From: saturno3x1 at yahoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?q?Santiago=20Garc=EDa?=) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 10:22:45 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Young Ducks and their emotions In-Reply-To: <200509011428.j81ERYcN021983@numerus.lingfil.uu.se> Message-ID: <20050902082245.51342.qmail@web52605.mail.yahoo.com> Dan Shane: > Donald is > somewhat slothful and perhaps overly carefree. > $crooge is miserly and does > not immediately think of others. The nephews seem > to be the closest to > ethical perfection of any characters in the Duck > comics, though they can > still occasionally be prankish and disobedient (as > pre-teens often are). OK. But, if that's so, why quite-imperfect characters as Donald (and even Scrooge) may fall in love, and not the nephews? > But I still cannot picture them attracted to girls > in a romantic way -- it > would just not be the HD&L I knew as a kid and as I > view them now. No, I agree they wouldn't. If they were, we were not discussing about it ;-) But I certainly would not see that too far from their *actual* personalities. And on another hand: Every character has his flaws on some story (that's the plot): Scrooge become generous, Gyro doesn't want to work, Gladstone becomes unlucky, etc. Just occasional plots, not a substantial change on them characters. Yes, I'd like to read such a story. Greetings, Santiago. ______________________________________________ Renovamos el Correo Yahoo! Nuevos servicios, m?s seguridad http://correo.yahoo.es From saturno3x1 at yahoo.es Fri Sep 2 12:41:36 2005 From: saturno3x1 at yahoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?q?Santiago=20Garc=EDa?=) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 12:41:36 +0200 (CEST) Subject: HD&L's emotional maturity and identical In-Reply-To: <200509021000.j82A04Ho012550@numerus.lingfil.uu.se> Message-ID: <20050902104137.91895.qmail@web52603.mail.yahoo.com> Elaine: > In reference to Santiago's statement, "They are not > shown acting as *actual* > kids, but as we wished our children to behave"--I > don't agree with that. > Yes, they are, as Dan says, the closest to ethical > maturity among the ducks. > But in their ability to rescue the adults, they are > a *child's* fantasy of > what a kid should be/really is, not an adult fantasy > of what a child should be That's OK for me. (You see, I'm still a bit of a child... ;-). What I meant was just to disagree with Dan's sentence: >Let the kids act like kids in the comics. Still Elaine: > The nephews' indignation at > Scrooge's suggestion that > they are "pretty much alike" in Return to Plain > Awful was one of the > laugh-out-loud moments for me in that story. At the For me, too! > same time, I'm > interested in how other writers might view the > nephews' identical > triplethood differently. Interesting discuss. I sometimes wonder by Barks made'em as many as *three*. Some notes amaze me: -About the look: They could have different looks: The unique-HDL-look is not usually used to mistake one of them by another (and may not be used, because having the same personality and circumstances, such mistake wouldn't have interest); -About the personality: They behave the same, so they could be just one person (=duck); Maybe it was the need for three characters and the laziness to make three different sketches? I just can think of one reason why I really appreciate this triple-character as it is conceived: Their looking is really comical! Cheers, Santiago. __________________________________________________ Correo Yahoo! Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam ?gratis! Reg?strate ya - http://correo.yahoo.es From asaramelli at ig.com.br Fri Sep 2 16:22:05 2005 From: asaramelli at ig.com.br (asaramelli) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 11:22:05 -0300 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?The_New_Economy_Pezzini=B4s_history?= Message-ID: <20050902_142205_085836.asaramelli@ig.com.br> Dear DCML friends : In the history "The New Economy", Mr Giorgio Pezzini talks about the internet business fever, a very complex phenomenum , like an gold run, with a very good script. After decided to enter on the internet business, Uncle Scrooge tried to call for his accountant, to see how manage the activities in the nwe economy. So Huey, Dewey and Loui recommended to Uncle scrooge look for another kind of professional, someone who know the new economy, better than his accountants. In the real life, for some months, managers around the world really used to forgot the traditionals accountants practices, and looked for new doubtful commerce practics because they really used to understand that the internet business world was a completely new theather for business, with new rules. The dialogue with Huey, Dewey, Loui and Uncle Scrooge was created only for offer a better script, increase the emotion , or really, it was a manner to demonstrate the real situation in that days ? I?m writing an article about the Uncle Scrooge relationship with his accountants, and if anyone know any aspect about, please, write for me. A nice Friday for all ! Alexandre Saramelli Giorgio Pezzini The New Economy Zio Paperone e la New Economy A Nova Economia Tietotalouden armoilla http://coa.inducks.org/story.php/x/I+TL+2440-6// From nils at math.uio.no Sat Sep 3 12:52:53 2005 From: nils at math.uio.no (nils@math.uio.no) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 12:52:53 +0200 (CEST) Subject: re HDL's emotional maturity and identical status Message-ID: <60128.80.111.17.231.1125744773.squirrel@webmail.uio.no> Thanks to Elaine Ramshaw for a thoughtful and eloquent contribution, re HDL's emotional maturity, their sense of self-identity, &c. One is reminded of Daisy's nieces April, May, June, who *sometimes* are portrayed as having more distinct, or at least visually distinguishable, personalities: one has a ponytail, another a moptop, the third has pigtails. Can we imagine HDL adopting slightly different visual characteristics [apart from the colours of their caps]? Different t-shirts, tattoos, piercing, eltonjohnian glasses? Regarding self-identity, self-perception and "which is which?", I'm as before reminded of Britten (ca. 1950, I believe), who found the following description helpful: First, April, she with mellow showers Opens the way for early flowers, Then after her comes smiling May, In a more rich and sweet array, Next enters June and brings us more gems than those two that went before Then, lastly, July comes and she more wealth brings in than all those three; April! May! June! July! In a prospective initio-prepub-romantic HDL story, that most of us hope will not be written, or at least not be officially published, I suppose Phooey will get July. Somehow it doesn't quite work as well, though, with First, Huey, he with mellow showers Opens the way for early flowers, Then after him comes cunning Dewey, In a more strong and tougher hooey, Next enters Louie and brings us more germs than those two that went before Then, lastly, Phooey comes and he more noise brings in than all those three; Huey! Dewey! Louie! Phooey! Nils Lid Hjort From bi442 at lafn.org Sat Sep 3 14:25:26 2005 From: bi442 at lafn.org (Rob Klein) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 12:25:26 GMT Subject: Huey, Dewey and Louie development Message-ID: <200509031225.j83CPBAn064860@zoot.lafn.org> Hola Santiago! Donald's three nephews were invented to give him a lot of trouble in one cartoon, as only foils for Donald. They were not intended to be primary characters-or even considered for making return appearances in other cartoons. They were so unimportant, that background information was not even necessary. I'm not evensure we got to hear the name of their mother (Donald's sister). So, in developing the characters, it was easier to have them be triplets (three little kids can be much more trouble than one). And, if they're all energetic, wild demons, there's no reason to give them different characters. Barks developed all the Duck characters much more than the cartoons did. BUT, he didn't have license to change their characters from those of the cartoons. So they had to stay triplets, who acted as one. Rob Klein --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ From marvinw at zahav.net.il Sat Sep 3 18:50:48 2005 From: marvinw at zahav.net.il (Marvinw) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 18:50:48 +0200 Subject: The Archives--Favorites for revival Message-ID: <001501c5b0a7$a5093c00$b8498253@euronet.euronet> Great news that besides the Good Housekeeping cartoon stories we will also be seeing soon stories from the King Features Disney strips. With Leonard Maltin presenting the series of Disney film treasures, we now have David Gerstein as his counterpart providing us with the Disney printed treasures. Many thanks to Gemstone enabling this to happen. I have two particular favorites that I would like to see. A representation of the very first Disney comic book that appeared in 1931 which consisted of black and white Gottfredson strips. Secondly, I would like to see a reissue of the 1943 Gremlins story produced by Disney. This was written by Roald Dahl, the author for the Disney stop-motion film "James and the Giant Peach", he wrote many of the Tales of the Unexpected used by Hitchcock, and he is the author of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory with its new film version now being shown. Included with the Gremlins story book were beautiful color drawings by the Disney artists. The Gremlin characters later appeared in WDC&S in several short two page comic gags drawn by Walter Kelly. Perhaps the reissue of the Gremlins could be bound together with a comic book type version of the story drawn by a modern day artist ( maybe a new challenge for Don Rosa ! ). I am sure that many will have their own special favorites. 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I have located the > comics with Basil The Mouse Detective and The Sleuth and I am now > looking for more obscure parodies, satires, references etc. Gorm Transgaard and Miguel recently made a continued Donald Duck story (D 2004-255), where a seemingly impossible crime happens. The Ducks' solution: get Gyro's time machine to transport "Homer Sherlong" and doctor "Vatsen" (Danish names) to Duckburg so they can solve the mystery. Part 1 was printed in this week's issue of Anders And & Co. (35/2005), so I don't know whether the Ducks actually do get hold of Sherlong and Vatsen. It looks promising so far, though. Lars From lpj at forfatter.dk Sat Sep 3 20:35:14 2005 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 20:35:14 +0200 Subject: The Archives--Favorites for revival Message-ID: <00a201c5b0b6$9b9fba40$39779dd9@idb3156> I'm not really sure what Marvinw meant to say with his posting. Marvin, do you want us to revive Mickey, Minnie, the Gremlins and Walt Disney? Regarding the latter individual, we might be in over our heads... Lars From lerichard at free.fr Sat Sep 3 11:05:57 2005 From: lerichard at free.fr (le Richard) Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 11:05:57 +0200 Subject: Visitation Message-ID: <1125738357.43196775418c0@imp3-g19.free.fr> In Paris, I suggest "Dans la gueule du loup": http://www.danslagueuleduloup.com/ They have a lot of things, past and new. Francois ************************ If you email me use fwi at inducks.org. I don't read mails sent to lerichard at free.fr. From marvinw at zahav.net.il Sun Sep 4 07:13:47 2005 From: marvinw at zahav.net.il (Marvinw) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 07:13:47 +0200 Subject: The Archives--Favorites for Revival Message-ID: <002e01c5b10f$70325620$336de454@euronet.euronet> Lars Jensen commented: unsure about the posting. In the email sent out to DCML members I referred to 1. A representation of the very first Disney comic book 2. 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URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20050904/f5210974/attachment.html From methanal at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 01:13:15 2005 From: methanal at gmail.com (Herbert Snorrason) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 23:13:15 +0000 Subject: How to read Donald Duck Message-ID: I came across an interesting-sounding book when browsing: http://www.akpress.org/2003/items/howtoreaddonaldduck Does anyone here know what it's about, and whether it might be worth purchasing? -- Schw?che zeigen hei?t verlieren; h?rte hei?t regieren. - "Glas und Tr?nen", Megaherz From saturno3x1 at yahoo.es Mon Sep 5 11:27:07 2005 From: saturno3x1 at yahoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?q?Santiago=20Garc=EDa?=) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 11:27:07 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Still on HDL In-Reply-To: <200509031607.j83G7513016828@numerus.lingfil.uu.se> Message-ID: <20050905092707.81853.qmail@web52602.mail.yahoo.com> Nils: > First, Huey, he with mellow showers > Opens the way for early flowers, > Then after him comes cunning Dewey, > In a more strong and tougher hooey, > Next enters Louie and brings us more > germs than those two that went before > Then, lastly, Phooey comes and he > more noise brings in than all those three; > Huey! Dewey! Louie! Phooey! :-DDDDD Rob: > Donald's three nephews were invented to give him a > lot of trouble in one cartoon, as only > foils for Donald. They were not intended to be > primary characters-or even considered for > making return appearances in other cartoons. They > were so unimportant, that > background information was not even necessary. I see. That seems to be quite right. > BUT, he didn't have > license to change their characters from those of the > cartoons. So they had to stay triplets, I don't understand this: Dind't Barks himself create HDL characters, for comics? Santiago. __________________________________________________ Correo Yahoo! Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam ?gratis! Reg?strate ya - http://correo.yahoo.es From ddmarkstein at cox.net Mon Sep 5 13:15:53 2005 From: ddmarkstein at cox.net (Donald D. Markstein) Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 04:15:53 -0700 Subject: "How to Read Donald Duck" References: <200509051000.j85A078Q030598@numerus.lingfil.uu.se> Message-ID: <431C28E9.9000009@cox.net> > > >I came across an interesting-sounding book when browsing: > >http://www.akpress.org/2003/items/howtoreaddonaldduck > >Does anyone here know what it's about, and whether it might be worth purchasing > If you're interested in (a) seeing Donald and Scrooge twisted into Communist propaganda or (b) laughing at a couple of dorks who would do such a thing, then yes, it's worth reading. Quack, Don From SRoweCanoe at aol.com Mon Sep 5 14:14:29 2005 From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe@aol.com) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 08:14:29 EDT Subject: How to read Donald Duck Message-ID: In a message dated 9/5/2005 4:12:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, methanal at gmail.com writes: >I came across an interesting-sounding book when browsing: >http://www.akpress.org/2003/items/howtoreaddonaldduck >Does anyone here know what it's about, and whether it might be worth purchasing? $16 for a bootleg? Loose Xerox pages or what? Used copies are all over the web at $10 up -- of course the first USA edition was unauthorized by the authors as well......2nd edition is the authors correct version (i recall) yes, as stated this is a publication about how Donald Duck and Uncle Scrooge are (at least in the 1950s-1960s in Chile) are capitalist propaganda. Ive read one of the sequels - and it seems mildy valid, folks who've read the HTRDD 1st english edition, state that either the authors are making some stuff up - or the translations the authors read were horribly done. Worth purchasing? Depends on your need to read Marxist criticism of Disney comics. steven rowe From gedanielson at earthlink.net Mon Sep 5 16:23:46 2005 From: gedanielson at earthlink.net (Garth Danielson) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 09:23:46 -0500 Subject: HD&L and the World of the Dragonlords Message-ID: <001401c5b225$6fa07d10$46a25145@your03667082de> Hi, my name's Garth Danielson. I have been reading these emails with interest for a couple of month's and decided to write myself. I have been a Disney comic fan for 40 plus years now and recently started filling in the gaps in my collection, especially the Dell Giants that I had not been able to find locally. Turns out eBay yields up much more material than I can (should) buy all at once. Still, I gave my credit card a good beating and wound up with some wonderful books. It's really nice to read the old comics, something about the original versions appeals to me. That and there just aren't reprints of a lot of material. Like so many here I am a Carl Barks fan and have been since before I knew who he was. When I get a stack of comics I always put Uncle Scrooge at the bottom to read last. Right now there are 14 Scrooge issues waiting, waiting for me the finish the other comics I wanted to read first. And first I wanted to finish the new graphic novel from Gemstone, World of the Dragonlords. I work part time in a comic shop in Minneapolis, when I went to work on Sunday it was sitting in my pull slot. A pull slot is what we call the place pre-ordered comics go, it's just a comic box with plastic dividers labeled with our customers names. DreamHaven Books and Comics is a mixed bag of comics (mostly new), sf (new and old, cheap to very expensive), related movie material and some comic smut and a few naughty books. It's the best shop in the Twin Cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul, and one of the best you'd ever find. Enough plugging. I really enjoyed the World of the Dragonlords. Byron Erickson has written a good adventure story. I think Carl would approve. It captures the elements I like about the Barks adventure stories. There is an interesting location, some jeopardy, some humor and a good bunch of characters who work together to solve the problem. I liked the alternate world setting, and especially liked the dragons. I really liked that the boys had center place in the story. The art by Giorgio Cavazzano is really wonderful, lively and fun. I particularly liked the battle chapter with no word balloons, the story is in the pictures. All and all a really good read and one to reread, or just look at the pretty pictures, and those dragons are pretty cute. It's Labor Day here in the US and I am off work and plan to read some of those stacked up recent purchases. I bet I'll have a good day, especially when I got to those Scrooge's. Garth P.S. I also have a blog that I natter on about movies and comics and the odd other thing or two I like. http://garth.typepad.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Was the presumed anti-Japanese joke removed when > the story was > published in "Mickey Mouse Weekly" (the British magazine from > which all > the albums' stories seem to be taken), or was it removed when Horst > Shroder edited the volume for United States audiences? I can only compare with Schr?der's b/w xerox collection, but I think that collection is just like the originals. The "Jap" strips are exactly as you describe. In the 2nd strip, Mickey says "I don't like the looks of that guy!". I think this Japanese guy was originally planned to appear several times again, becoming the prime suspect during the story. And then in the end, he would turn out to be innocent. My theory is that the writers or editors changed their minds while the story was being published, because they would have to show that a Japanese was innocent! 8-) Anyway, they apparently decided not to refer to the Japanese guy again, so these 2 strips are all that remain. --Harry. From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Mon Sep 5 16:07:33 2005 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 16:07:33 +0200 Subject: How to read Donald Duck Message-ID: <81FEC275650AE14EBD5245E624762B9701FEAED7@ds07.tnoase.telecom.tno.nl> Steven replied: > yes, as stated this is a publication about how Donald > Duck and Uncle Scrooge are (at least in the 1950s-1960s in > Chile) are > capitalist propaganda. Ive read one of the sequels - and > it seems mildy valid There are indeed some truths in their analysis. > folks who've read the HTRDD 1st english edition, state that > either the > authors are making some stuff up - or the translations the > authors read were horribly done. Yes, some translations were deliberately anti-communist. For instance, in a Jiminy Cricket story, two bad crows were named Marx and Hegel. In the original, they had some generic crow names. --Harry. From kimba1962 at comcast.net Mon Sep 5 18:24:09 2005 From: kimba1962 at comcast.net (kimba1962@comcast.net) Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 16:24:09 +0000 Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 31, Issue 5 (HD&L) Message-ID: <090520051624.10283.431C7128000D48040000282B2207021553CDC0C7CE0E0D030705@comcast.net> Nils Hjort wrote: > Thanks to Elaine Ramshaw for a thoughtful and eloquent > contribution, re HDL's emotional maturity, their sense > of self-identity, &c. One is reminded of Daisy's nieces > April, May, June, who *sometimes* are portrayed as having > more distinct, or at least visually distinguishable, personalities: > one has a ponytail, another a moptop, the third has pigtails. > Can we imagine HDL adopting slightly different visual > characteristics [apart from the colours of their caps]? > Different t-shirts, tattoos, piercing, eltonjohnian glasses? As many people may recall (try as they might NOT to!), Huey, Dewey, and Louie had distinctive "looks" and personalities in the TV series Quack Pack. Earlier, Dewey got a bit of distinctive characterization (or at least a trait that distinguished him from the other kids) in the DuckTales episode "Duck in the Iron Mask," wherein he's described at being "the best at coming up with escape plans." Take these as canonical or non- as you wish. Chris Barat -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20050905/3a5bbd82/attachment.html From bi442 at lafn.org Tue Sep 6 09:34:24 2005 From: bi442 at lafn.org (Rob Klein) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 07:34:24 GMT Subject: Huey, Dewey and Louie origin Message-ID: <200509060734.j867YJ93028463@zoot.lafn.org> Santiago: Huey, Dewey and Louie were created only for use in the Cartoon, "Donald's Nephews" (1939?), BEFORE he ever used them in a comic book story ("Pirate Gold" in 1942). That was also BEFORE Taliaferro used them in the Donald Duck comic newspaper strip. Once they were triplets in that cartoon, and had appeared with Donald in MANY, MANY more cartoons BEFORE Barks first used them in comics, they were already popular as triplets, with the same personality. So, he couldn't change those "facts" about them. --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ From saturno3x1 at yahoo.es Tue Sep 6 14:13:32 2005 From: saturno3x1 at yahoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?q?Santiago=20Garc=EDa?=) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 14:13:32 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Huey, Dewey and Louie origin In-Reply-To: <200509061000.j86A08Bq016932@numerus.lingfil.uu.se> Message-ID: <20050906121333.69221.qmail@web52608.mail.yahoo.com> Rob Klein: > Santiago: Huey, Dewey and Louie were created only > for use in the Cartoon, [...] Thanks for the info, Rob. Santiago. ______________________________________________ Renovamos el Correo Yahoo! Nuevos servicios, m?s seguridad http://correo.yahoo.es From bangfish at cableone.net Tue Sep 6 17:59:31 2005 From: bangfish at cableone.net (Gary Leach) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 08:59:31 -0700 Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 31, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: <200509061000.j86A08Bo016932@numerus.lingfil.uu.se> References: <200509061000.j86A08Bo016932@numerus.lingfil.uu.se> Message-ID: <48643B46-B989-402B-919E-74CDF23DEE3D@cableone.net> Chris Barat wrote: > As many people may recall (try as they might NOT to!), Huey, Dewey, > and Louie had distinctive "looks" and personalities in the TV > series Quack Pack. Earlier, Dewey got a bit of distinctive > characterization (or at least a trait that distinguished him from > the other kids) in the DuckTales episode "Duck in the Iron Mask," > wherein he's described at being "the best at coming up with escape > plans." Take these as canonical or non- as you wish. Here's my reading: Just as "Donald's Nephews" gives us the first manifestation of Huey, Dewey and Louie, so did legends of some ancient tribal warrior(s) in Briton provide the first manifestation of King Arthur. It took Barks, in the realm of comics, to bring us the full realization of the classic nephews, just as Malory gave us the full flowering of the classic romance of Arthur. Neither is really Canon in the Biblical sense - a set of works accepted as sacred - but they do stand as canon, that is, criteria by which other works may be judged. I guess the thing to consider is whether something like "DuckTales" or "Quack Pack" gives us anything towards the nephews that's on the same order as what T.H. White's "Once and Future King" - or, to stay in the realm of film, "Excalibur" or Disney's "Sword in the Stone" - gives us towards King Arthur. Personally, I don't think they make the grade. Gary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20050906/fa2643bb/attachment.html From lpj at forfatter.dk Tue Sep 6 21:16:15 2005 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 21:16:15 +0200 Subject: Who created Huey, Dewey and Louie? Message-ID: <00cb01c5b318$313b8b20$05779dd9@idb3156> Here's an old quote from David Gerstein regarding the boys' origin: http://stp.lingfil.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-August/018707.html > I've got WDC&S 523, with an extended article about Al Taliaferro. > [...] > * Taliaferro "suggested that the [Disney] Studio create three nephews > for Donald and feature them in a short. The idea was accepted, and in > February 1937, the story department sent Taliaferro a memo > congratulating him on inventing Huey, Dewey, and Louie." Another quote from Floyd Gottfredson via Petri Kanninen: http://stp.lingfil.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-August/018405.html > "The only thing I know in the Comic Strip Department that was adopted > in the pictures was [Al Taliaferro's] creation of Donald's nephews in > the Donald Duck daily strip. Al's widow, Lucy, called me recently to > read me a memo she had found while cleaning up Al's stuff at home. > It was from someone in the Story Department, thanking Al for having > created the nephews and telling him that they were going to use them > in a short and since he created them, they not only wanted to go on > record as acknowledging the fact that he had, but also wanted to > recognize it with a check, which they sent him." Over the years, a lot of people have been involved in the design, characterization and development of HDL, but it seems Al Taliaferro was the one who came up with the initial idea of Donald's nephews. Lars From spe at inducks.org Wed Sep 7 05:18:13 2005 From: spe at inducks.org (Stefan Persson) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 05:18:13 +0200 Subject: Huey, Dewey and Louie origin In-Reply-To: <200509060734.j867YJ93028463@zoot.lafn.org> References: <200509060734.j867YJ93028463@zoot.lafn.org> Message-ID: <431E5BF5.20800@inducks.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Rob Klein wrote: > Santiago: Huey, Dewey and Louie were created only for use in the Cartoon, "Donald's > Nephews" (1939?), BEFORE he ever used them in a comic book story ("Pirate Gold" in > 1942). That was also BEFORE Taliaferro used them in the Donald Duck comic > newspaper strip. Movie = 1938-04-15 1st Taliaferro usage = 1937-10-17 Stefan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDHlv1cc/MTPlQE8ARAg4EAJoCzr+Is2jJP3D2Vanz3Ke+/n1nJACfdoHl Jim8X/jymn1P4ze/AJVBvyo= =/422 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From lpj at forfatter.dk Wed Sep 7 10:58:57 2005 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 10:58:57 +0200 Subject: Barks' pencil layout to 'King Scrooge the first' found. Message-ID: <005501c5b38a$b14d0240$30779dd9@idb3156> Poul Frokjar wrote: > In Scandinavia the first set in a new 10 set-edition Barks library > [...] Also shown in the new CBL. Just to be clear: the Carl Barks Collection (in Denmark called "Carl Barks' samlede vaerker") is *not* the same as Carl Barks Library. They are two different projects -- although, yes, there are several major similarities. You might as well call Walt Disney's Comics & Stories for "Anders And & Co." or vice versa. Lars From lpj at forfatter.dk Wed Sep 7 21:47:59 2005 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 21:47:59 +0200 Subject: Mestres Disney - Renato Canini first images Message-ID: <011301c5b3e5$b40f2020$33799dd9@idb3156> Fernando Ventura wrote: > http://www.bigorna.net/index.php?secao=noticias&id=1124373843 I had to "read" the article and look at Canini's artwork more than once before I was able to form an opinion, but... Wow! This is different, to put it mildly. There's an "underground" feel to his drawings that, as far as Disney comics go, before I've seen only in Don Rosa's stories. Very interesting. Thanks for sharing, Fernando. Lars From bi442 at lafn.org Thu Sep 8 10:54:41 2005 From: bi442 at lafn.org (Rob Klein) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 08:54:41 GMT Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: <200509080854.j888seKc096660@zoot.lafn.org> Thank you, Stephan Persson for providing us the actual dates of firt appearance of Huey, Dewey and Louie in films (4/1938) and newspaper strip (10/1937). I had read that they were "created specifically for a Donald Duck short cartoon, and knew that Disney usually had Taliaferro introduce upcoming new cartoon characters first, before the cartoon was released. generally, the Disney Animation Dept. would design the character, and send a model sheet to Taliaferro. The cartoons usually had a few month lead time from character design to release. But, it is clear in this case, that Taliaferro must have used the characters of HD&L long before production on the cartoon started, and clearly designed the characters, himself, in this case. So, in actuality, he must have invented them for his needs in the Donald Duck newspaper strip, and only suggested they be used in the cartoons, for consistancy. He had been ordered to keep the newspaper strip consistant with what was going on in the cartoon shorts. Good thing for him and Barks, that Disney Animation chose to use them! Rob Klein --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ From saturno3x1 at yahoo.es Thu Sep 8 12:26:25 2005 From: saturno3x1 at yahoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?q?Santiago=20Garc=EDa?=) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 12:26:25 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Non-Disney art by Paul Murry In-Reply-To: <200509071000.j87A0AQM031481@numerus.lingfil.uu.se> Message-ID: <20050908102625.80824.qmail@web52615.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, everyone: Some time ago, someone in this list was curious about non-Disney comics drawn by Paul Murry. Well, I've uploaded two sample pages from a Woody Woodpecker story by Paul Murry that I've recovered digging at the deepest of my comics chest :-) It's in Spanish. You can get it at: http://www.gratisweb.com/commodore/ww.html Greetings, Santiago. ______________________________________________ Renovamos el Correo Yahoo! Nuevos servicios, m?s seguridad http://correo.yahoo.es ______________________________________________ Renovamos el Correo Yahoo! Nuevos servicios, m?s seguridad http://correo.yahoo.es From ola.martinsson at ericsson.com Thu Sep 8 13:01:46 2005 From: ola.martinsson at ericsson.com (Ola Martinsson (AS/EAB)) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:01:46 +0200 Subject: the Carl Barks Collection Message-ID: The main differences between the European Carl Barks Collection (CBC) and the old Gladstone CBL is that the CBC is printed in color and in chronological order. That means that each book has a blend of publications, e.g. WDC and DD and US and the US book The lemonade king in the same volume. Ola in cloudy Stockholm +20 From post at oledamgaard.dk Thu Sep 8 17:29:37 2005 From: post at oledamgaard.dk (Ole Damgaard) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 17:29:37 +0200 Subject: Don Rosa and the Orla award Message-ID: <002201c5b48a$1fb417f0$0ec25853@oles> At the danish comics webzine Seriejournalen.dk you can now read the story about Don Rosa and the danish Orla litterature award. The story is available in english: http://www.seriejournalen.dk/sj_indhold.asp?art=&ID=2160 , and in danish: http://www.seriejournalen.dk/sj_indhold.asp?art=&ID=2161 /ole From ciro_di_lella at hotmail.com Thu Sep 8 16:46:46 2005 From: ciro_di_lella at hotmail.com (Ciro Di Lella) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 14:46:46 +0000 Subject: Scrooge's Trophy Room Message-ID: Hi everyone...I was wondering if anyone can help me recognizing all the objects of Scrooge's Trophy Room in Don Rosa's famous "Anything But Those!" poster http://duckman.pettho.com/art/us300b.html I need the list for my Scrooge web site, http://www.freespaces.com/scroogemcduck/index.html Thanks in advance :) Ciro From ggk at wp.pl Thu Sep 8 20:28:24 2005 From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 20:28:24 +0200 Subject: Scrooge's Trophy Room (obaut Ciro web page) Message-ID: <002c01c5b4a3$223f7460$cf00a8c0@gmg> Hi Ciro, I just like to say I viue your web page and It's very good. The background and Menu colors are very nice and it make page plesent to read. Anny way I like it and I hope it will get bigger soon ;-) Yours Maciek P.S. Take a peak on a small page obaut Gladsotne Gander I made several yers a go : http://ggzdk.webpark.pl/home.html [Polish Only] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20050908/157959b5/attachment.html From bi442 at lafn.org Fri Sep 9 10:30:37 2005 From: bi442 at lafn.org (Rob Klein) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 08:30:37 GMT Subject: Need to Contact David Gerstein and Gary Leach Message-ID: <200509090830.j898UX5H031797@zoot.lafn.org> Sorry to use DCML for personal business, but I need to contact David Gerstein and suspect his old Egmont e-mail address is not his current e-mail address. So, David, if you are lurking here, please contact me at robbklein at yahoo.com. I have a question that only someone of your expertise in Disney Comic publishing can answer. Gary Leach could also answer it. So, Gary, if you have a minute, could you please e-mail me too? Thanks. Rob Klein --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ From bangfish at cableone.net Fri Sep 9 18:00:03 2005 From: bangfish at cableone.net (Gary Leach) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 09:00:03 -0700 Subject: CBC-CBL In-Reply-To: <200509091000.j89A0CY8004925@numerus.lingfil.uu.se> References: <200509091000.j89A0CY8004925@numerus.lingfil.uu.se> Message-ID: Ole: > The main differences between the European Carl Barks Collection > (CBC) and the old Gladstone CBL is that the CBC is printed in color > and in chronological order. That means that each book has a blend > of publications, e.g. WDC and DD and US and the US book The > lemonade king in the same volume. This may sound nitpicky, but the publisher of the hardbound black-and- white CBL was Another Rainbow, the same company that produced The Fine Art of Walt Disney's Donald Duck by Carl Barks. A follow-up series, The Carl Barks Library in Color, was produced by Gladstone - these were softbound albums, and they were in color. (It should be noted that this second series published most, but not quite all, of Bark's Disney duck stories.) Both Another Rainbow and Gladstone were companies co-founded by Bruce Hamilton, and the people who worked on Another Rainbow projects were the same ones who worked on Gladstone projects. But each company had a different emphasis, a different market arena, and different goals. Gladstone would have no more issued the black-and-white CBL than Another Rainbow would have published monthly 32-page comics. Gary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Continuing on the other side, we have the skyrillion-dollar 1916 Quarter (Barks' Atlantis story), a golden egg (Barks' "The Isle of Golden Geese), the locket from Barks' "The Lemming with the Locket" (I'm not sure about that one), and a square egg from Plain Awful. Donald is wearing the Lost Crown of Genghis Khan (from the Barks story by the same name) and admiring himself in the reflection from one of the Spanish suits of armor from Barks' "Prize of Pizzaro." He's standing next to an urn of diamonds (I don't think they're from any story, but I could be wrong; I'm doing this from memory) and in the iced bucket behind him is the Bombastium from "A Cold Bargain" by Barks. Next to the Bombastium is the Candy-Striped Ruby (Barks' "The Status Seeker"). The huge circular object in the upper left hand corner is the Incan jewelled sunburst from Rosa's first story, "Son of the Sun", and hanging in front of it is the Crown of the Mayas (from Barks' story of the same name). Hanging next to the sunburst is the hammer of Vulcan (from Barks' "Mythic Mystery"). Hanging from the wall on the other side of Scrooge's vault door, we have the Golden Fleece (from Barks' "The Golden Fleecing"). Behind it is the Peeweghah Peace Pipe (from Barks' Land of the Pygmy Indians). Below the peace pipe are Sir Francis Drake's plaque from Rosa's "His Majesty McDuck" (the square object), and the Medallion of Nostrildamus (from Rosa's "Curse of Nostrildamus"). Beneath the Drake plaque is the cover of the original Junior Woodchucks guidebook (or of the last volume of the Library of Alexandria, whichever you prefer) from Rosa's "Guardians of the Lost Library." Of course, that's the fabled Goose Egg nugget, from Barks' "Back to the Klondike", on the pedestal, and the gold bullion is from "The Flying Dutchman" by Barks. Sitting on top of the Dutchman's bullion are the Terry-Fermy trophy (Barks' "Land Beneath the Ground") and the treasure of Sir Quackly (Barks' "The Old Castle's Secret"). Finally, the comics that the nephews are reading are, from left to right, Uncle Scrooge #1 (the issue with "Only a Poor Old Man"), the first issue of Walt Disney's Comics and Stories to have a Barks ten-pager (sorry, don't know the issue number), and the famous Donald Duck Four Color version of "Donald Duck Finds Pirate Gold." Whew! I think that's it. But I'm sure Don or one of the other members will let me know if I've missed anything or mis-identified anything. From ksaarto at mbnet.fi Fri Sep 9 13:01:58 2005 From: ksaarto at mbnet.fi (Kai Saarto) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 14:01:58 +0300 Subject: Don Rosa and the Orla award In-Reply-To: <002201c5b48a$1fb417f0$0ec25853@oles> References: <002201c5b48a$1fb417f0$0ec25853@oles> Message-ID: <43216BA6.6070702@mbnet.fi> Ole Damgaard wrote: > At the danish comics webzine Seriejournalen.dk you can now read the > story about Don Rosa and the danish Orla litterature award. > > The story is available in english: > http://www.seriejournalen.dk/sj_indhold.asp?art=&ID=2160 , and in > danish: http://www.seriejournalen.dk/sj_indhold.asp?art=&ID=2161 Oh my gosh, this is so thick from certain Egmont folks. Thanks for sharing, Ole. Just shows how much certain publishers have respect for writers/artists. Especially that bit about "Rosa only dotted the "i"s" was simply appalling. Those people could sure use a lesson or two in human behavior. From kimba1962 at comcast.net Fri Sep 9 23:03:06 2005 From: kimba1962 at comcast.net (kimba1962@comcast.net) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 21:03:06 +0000 Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 31, Issue 9 (HD&L) Message-ID: <090920052103.5040.4321F88A000351D4000013B02205884484CDC0C7CE0E0D030705@comcast.net> Gary Leach wrote: > Chris Barat wrote: > > > As many people may recall (try as they might NOT to!), Huey, Dewey, > > and Louie had distinctive "looks" and personalities in the TV > > series Quack Pack. Earlier, Dewey got a bit of distinctive > > characterization (or at least a trait that distinguished him from > > the other kids) in the DuckTales episode "Duck in the Iron Mask," > > wherein he's described at being "the best at coming up with escape > > plans." Take these as canonical or non- as you wish. > Here's my reading: Just as "Donald's Nephews" gives us the first > manifestation of Huey, Dewey and Louie, so did legends of some > ancient tribal warrior(s) in Briton provide the first manifestation > of King Arthur. It took Barks, in the realm of comics, to bring us > the full realization of the classic nephews, just as Malory gave us > the full flowering of the classic romance of Arthur. Neither is > really Canon in the Biblical sense - a set of works accepted as > sacred - but they do stand as canon, that is, criteria by which other > works may be judged.>> This sums things up very well, I think. > I guess the thing to consider is whether something like "DuckTales" > or "Quack Pack" gives us anything towards the nephews that's on the > same order as what T.H. White's "Once and Future King" - or, to stay > in the realm of film, "Excalibur" or Disney's "Sword in the Stone" - > gives us towards King Arthur. Personally, I don't think they make the > grade. I'll readily agree on the "Quack Pack" Nephews, but not on the "DuckTales" Nephews. The "DT" HD&L are pretty doggone close to Barks' versions, IMHO. For sure, their voices (in English) are now the voices I hear when I read the Nephews' dialogue in the comics, just as I hear Alan Young, June Foray, Hal Smith when I read the dialogue of Scrooge, Glomgold, Gyro, Magica, etc. Chris Barat -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From ciro_di_lella at hotmail.com Sat Sep 10 12:04:39 2005 From: ciro_di_lella at hotmail.com (Ciro Di Lella) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 10:04:39 +0000 Subject: Anything But Those In-Reply-To: <200509101000.j8AA0G02016195@numerus.lingfil.uu.se> Message-ID: Thanks a lot for the info guys - you will all be credited on my site :) From mandkandrew at optusnet.com.au Sat Sep 10 12:34:06 2005 From: mandkandrew at optusnet.com.au (mankandrew) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:34:06 +1000 Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 31, Issue 12 References: <200509101000.j8AA0G03016195@numerus.lingfil.uu.se> Message-ID: <004301c5b5f3$2faa56a0$01b2fea9@pavilion> Greetings, The Australia Post stamp sheet of Donald Duck exceeds any and all expectations. It even refers to Carl Barks as Mr Carl Barks with due reverence. Now all they need is one on Scrooge McDuck. Chers, Martin Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 8:00 PM Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 31, Issue 12 > Send DCML mailing list submissions to > dcml at stp.lingfil.uu.se > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > dcml-request at stp.lingfil.uu.se > > You can reach the person managing the list at > dcml-owner at stp.lingfil.uu.se > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of DCML digest..." > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Today's Topics: > > 1. Need to Contact David Gerstein and Gary Leach (Rob Klein) > 2. CBC-CBL (Gary Leach) > 3. Re:Anything but those! (Daniel J Neyer) > 4. Re: Don Rosa and the Orla award (Kai Saarto) > 5. Re: DCML Digest, Vol 31, Issue 9 (HD&L) (kimba1962 at comcast.net) > 6. Donald Duck stamp sheet (Mike Devery) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > _______________________________________________ > dcml at stp.ling.uu.se - Disney Comics Mailing List > http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml > From bangfish at cableone.net Sat Sep 10 17:38:34 2005 From: bangfish at cableone.net (Gary Leach) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 08:38:34 -0700 Subject: Inquiry In-Reply-To: <200509101000.j8AA0G01016195@numerus.lingfil.uu.se> References: <200509101000.j8AA0G01016195@numerus.lingfil.uu.se> Message-ID: <49C7BD8A-D323-4ABA-A932-E75137C3C86E@cableone.net> Rob: > Sorry to use DCML for personal business, but I need to contact > David Gerstein and > suspect his old Egmont e-mail address is not his current e-mail > address. > > So, David, if you are lurking here, please contact me at > robbklein at yahoo.com. I have a > question that only someone of your expertise in Disney Comic > publishing can answer. > > Gary Leach could also answer it. So, Gary, if you have a minute, > could you please e-mail > me too? Thanks. Be glad too, but the e-mail address on your DCML header isn't working - not for me, anyway. Gary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <8D5F43CD1194B04CAD2AC656844E8F2B071EF702@orsmsx409> The urn of diamonds is from a (I believe) Barks story where Scrooge, Donald, Huey, Dewey and Louie fly to another country where there is a flock of birds destroying the country's rice crops. The King is offering an urn full of diamonds to anyone who can rid the country of the birds. Scrooge has a bunch of mechanical brass monkeys that he is unable to sell because the tone made when their cymbals crash together is annoying, and Donald, conveniently, has finished a correspondence course in bell-tuning. Donald has the idea to tune the brass monkeys' cymbals to a different frequency to chase the birds out of the country and Scrooge can sell all of the brass monkeys to the King and get the urn full of diamonds. I apologize, but I can't remember the name of the story, but if I come across it, I will post it. Can anyone else remember what the story's title is? Tom -----Original Message----- From: dcml-bounces at stp.lingfil.uu.se [mailto:dcml-bounces at stp.lingfil.uu.se] On Behalf Of Daniel J Neyer Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 7:02 AM To: dcml at stp.lingfil.uu.se Subject: Re:Anything but those! Donald is wearing the Lost Crown of Genghis Khan (from the Barks story by the same name) and admiring himself in the reflection from one of the Spanish suits of armor from Barks' "Prize of Pizzaro." He's standing next to an urn of diamonds (I don't think they're from any story, but I could be wrong; I'm doing this from memory) and in the iced bucket behind him is the Bombastium from "A Cold Bargain" by Barks. From gerd.syllwasschy at web.de Sun Sep 11 13:09:33 2005 From: gerd.syllwasschy at web.de (Gerd Syllwasschy) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 13:09:33 +0200 Subject: Huey, Dewey and Louie References: <200509081000.j88A05hG021478@numerus.lingfil.uu.se> Message-ID: <4324106D.5040604@web.de> Rob Klein wrote: > I had read that they were "created specifically for a Donald Duck short cartoon, and knew > that Disney usually had Taliaferro introduce upcoming new cartoon characters first, > before the cartoon was released. generally, the Disney Animation Dept. would design > the character, and send a model sheet to Taliaferro. The cartoons usually had a few > month lead time from character design to release. But, it is clear in this case, that > Taliaferro must have used the characters of HD&L long before production on the cartoon > started, and clearly designed the characters, himself, in this case. So, in actuality, he > must have invented them for his needs in the Donald Duck newspaper strip, and only > suggested they be used in the cartoons, for consistancy. Hmmm, I don't quite agree. The story line of the first Donald Duck comic strips featuring the nephews strongly resembles the animated cartoon. This means Taliaferro must at least have known some early storyboards for the cartoon before he drew those strips. I don't doubt that Taliaferro came up with the idea for Donald's nephews first. However, it is up to speculation whether Taliaferro contributed more than a "Hey, let's equip Don with some nephews!" to the whole thing. Gerd From ola.martinsson at ericsson.com Mon Sep 12 09:13:12 2005 From: ola.martinsson at ericsson.com (Ola Martinsson (AS/EAB)) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 09:13:12 +0200 Subject: CBC-CBL Message-ID: I stand corrected. Ola in semi cloudy Stockholm +12 ***************************************** Gary Leach wrote This may sound nitpicky, but the publisher of the hardbound black-and- white CBL was Another Rainbow, the same company that produced The Fine Art of Walt Disney's Donald Duck by Carl Barks. A follow-up series, The Carl Barks Library in Color, was produced by Gladstone - these were softbound albums, and they were in color. (It should be noted that this second series published most, but not quite all, of Bark's Disney duck stories.) Both Another Rainbow and Gladstone were companies co-founded by Bruce Hamilton, and the people who worked on Another Rainbow projects were the same ones who worked on Gladstone projects. But each company had a different emphasis, a different market arena, and different goals. Gladstone would have no more issued the black-and-white CBL than Another Rainbow would have published monthly 32-page comics. Gary From andrae at mail.california.com Mon Sep 12 17:55:41 2005 From: andrae at mail.california.com (Thomas Andrae) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 08:55:41 -0700 Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 31, Issue 14 In-Reply-To: <200509121001.j8CA17e2006747@numerus.lingfil.uu.se> Message-ID: Regarding H, D, and L origins: i've written several articles about this and the story is in my forthcoming book on Barks. The memo thanks Taliaferro for creating the nephews. He sent a memo to the animation department. it was common practice for Disney artists to send memos to the story department with ideas for cartoons. That's how Barks got transferred into the story department. Hope that this helps. Best Wishes, Thomas Andrae On Monday, September 12, 2005, at 03:01 AM, dcml-request at stp.lingfil.uu.se wrote: > Send DCML mailing list submissions to > dcml at stp.lingfil.uu.se > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > dcml-request at stp.lingfil.uu.se > > You can reach the person managing the list at > dcml-owner at stp.lingfil.uu.se > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of DCML digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Huey, Dewey and Louie (Gerd Syllwasschy) > 2. RE: CBC-CBL (Ola Martinsson (AS/EAB)) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 13:09:33 +0200 > From: Gerd Syllwasschy > Subject: Re: Huey, Dewey and Louie > To: dcml at stp.lingfil.uu.se > Message-ID: <4324106D.5040604 at web.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Rob Klein wrote: > >> I had read that they were "created specifically for a Donald Duck >> short cartoon, and knew >> that Disney usually had Taliaferro introduce upcoming new cartoon >> characters first, >> before the cartoon was released. generally, the Disney Animation >> Dept. would design >> the character, and send a model sheet to Taliaferro. The cartoons >> usually had a few >> month lead time from character design to release. But, it is clear >> in this case, that >> Taliaferro must have used the characters of HD&L long before >> production on the cartoon >> started, and clearly designed the characters, himself, in this case. >> So, in actuality, he >> must have invented them for his needs in the Donald Duck newspaper >> strip, and only >> suggested they be used in the cartoons, for consistancy. > > Hmmm, I don't quite agree. The story line of the first Donald Duck > comic > strips featuring the nephews strongly resembles the animated cartoon. > This means Taliaferro must at least have known some early storyboards > for the cartoon before he drew those strips. > > I don't doubt that Taliaferro came up with the idea for Donald's > nephews > first. However, it is up to speculation whether Taliaferro contributed > more than a "Hey, let's equip Don with some nephews!" to the whole > thing. > > Gerd > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 09:13:12 +0200 > From: "Ola Martinsson (AS/EAB)" > Subject: RE: CBC-CBL > To: > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I stand corrected. > > Ola in semi cloudy Stockholm +12 > ***************************************** > Gary Leach wrote > This may sound nitpicky, but the publisher of the hardbound black-and- > white CBL was Another Rainbow, the same company that produced The > Fine Art of Walt Disney's Donald Duck by Carl Barks. A follow-up > series, The Carl Barks Library in Color, was produced by Gladstone - > these were softbound albums, and they were in color. (It should be > noted that this second series published most, but not quite all, of > Bark's Disney duck stories.) > > Both Another Rainbow and Gladstone were companies co-founded by Bruce > Hamilton, and the people who worked on Another Rainbow projects were > the same ones who worked on Gladstone projects. But each company had > a different emphasis, a different market arena, and different goals. > Gladstone would have no more issued the black-and-white CBL than > Another Rainbow would have published monthly 32-page comics. > > Gary > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > dcml at stp.ling.uu.se - Disney Comics Mailing List > http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml > > > End of DCML Digest, Vol 31, Issue 14 > ************************************ > From post at oledamgaard.dk Mon Sep 12 22:41:45 2005 From: post at oledamgaard.dk (Ole Damgaard) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 22:41:45 +0200 Subject: Thomas Andraes book about Barks References: Message-ID: <001b01c5b7da$63e3e380$1c6e5d53@oles> Monday, September 12, 2005 5:55 PM Thomas Andrae wrote: >....the story is in my forthcoming book on Barks. What book? Tell us more! Which aspects of Barks' life and/or carreer do you tell about in it? When will it be finished? Will it be in german or english? Maybe it has it allready been mentioned here, without me noticing it? /Ole Damgaard. From thebeesong at yahoo.co.uk Tue Sep 13 12:46:42 2005 From: thebeesong at yahoo.co.uk (Vic Pratt) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 11:46:42 +0100 (BST) Subject: Gladstone Mickey Mouse Digests Message-ID: <20050913104643.72139.qmail@web86807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi folks Don't know if anyone is interested but a friend of mine is selling the whole series of the Gladstone Mickey Mouse Digest from 1987 on ebay at the moment - no-one bidding as yet - they finish tomorrow. All the best Vic ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com From tklein28 at aol.com Tue Sep 13 19:34:14 2005 From: tklein28 at aol.com (Todd Klein) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:34:14 -0400 Subject: Translation help requested: Dutch to English In-Reply-To: <200509131001.j8DA1E62019189@numerus.lingfil.uu.se> References: <200509131001.j8DA1E62019189@numerus.lingfil.uu.se> Message-ID: Hello all, Sorry to bring this off-topic subject to the Disney list, but I am once again in need of help with some translations for an Alan Moore project, the next League of Extraordinary Gentlemen book. I have five English sentences that need to be translated into Dutch. I should add that the content of at least one is of an adult nature. If any Dutch members of the list would be willing to help me, please email me off-list. Thanks! Todd Klein From lpj at forfatter.dk Wed Sep 14 01:00:32 2005 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 01:00:32 +0200 Subject: Translation help requested: Dutch to English Message-ID: <004e01c5b8b7$637a1bc0$06799dd9@idb3156> Todd Klein wrote: > I am once again in need of help with some translations for an Alan > Moore project, the next League of Extraordinary Gentlemen book. I have > five English sentences that need to be translated into Dutch. I should > add that the content of at least one is of an adult nature. "Adult"?! In an LoEG book?! Surely not. Is this the one-shot Alan Moore is doing for DC or the volume 3 he's writing for Top Shelf (I think)? Not that it's any of my business, of course. And sadly I don't know any Dutch so I can't help you there. Tell him to let the League go to Denmark next time. They can eat bacon and team up with the Little Mermaid. And perhaps they can visit Legoland! OK, maybe not... Lars From tklein28 at aol.com Wed Sep 14 12:53:26 2005 From: tklein28 at aol.com (Todd Klein) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 06:53:26 -0400 Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 31, Issue 16 In-Reply-To: <200509141001.j8EA0wdm030587@numerus.lingfil.uu.se> References: <200509141001.j8EA0wdm030587@numerus.lingfil.uu.se> Message-ID: <692cafd23a5d8b5d2ff6b44e56db90a9@aol.com> On Sep 14, 2005, at 6:01 AM, dcml-request at stp.lingfil.uu.se wrote: > Is this the one-shot Alan Moore is doing for DC or the volume 3 he's > writing for Top Shelf (I think)? It's the one for DC. Todd From ggk at wp.pl Wed Sep 14 21:08:20 2005 From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:08:20 +0200 Subject: The Starstruck Duck! Message-ID: <003601c5b95f$b0e2ea60$cf00a8c0@gmg> Hi! Here In Poland, we got some "Hall's of Fame's" last year. Sow we have Vicars, Romano Scarpas (yhe!) and Carl Barks. [We still didn't get any Don Rosa's...witch just isn't fair! In fact, he is fan-favorite here. I'm judging by my duck-fan friends opinions. And who can blame them? ;-)] Sadly they not planning any New "Hall's of Fame's". :-(( Well that's all about the "What's wrong in my country" part. Let's get to the point : I herd in one of 'Hall of Fames" contains a "Starstruck Duck" story witch as I found out is some sort of a story-board script! Today I check the story title in to the COA search and. http://coa.inducks.org/story.php/x/D+HOF+ +5A+ //Starstruck+Duck++_ Quack! Sow Mickey and Goofy were include in a Don Rosa Story!?!? Wow... Why this story was never drawn? Was it the Editors again (and if sow, why?) ? Ore maybe some other reason(s)? What was wrong with this story? I suspect it probably was explain in the "Hall of Fame". but since we won't get a "Don Rosa's Hall of Fame" here [as I mention, year is passing since the last Hall of Fame in Poland sow I guess they won't print new ones :-( ] you understand my curiosity! Yours, Maciek Kur! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20050914/827eab84/attachment.html From donrosa at iglou.com Thu Sep 15 15:24:57 2005 From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 09:24:57 -0400 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 17 In-Reply-To: <200509151001.j8FA1NQX005850@numerus.lingfil.uu.se> Message-ID: > From: "KUR" > Subject: The Starstruck Duck! > I herd in one of 'Hall of Fames" contains a "Starstruck Duck" > story witch as I found out is some sort of a story-board > script! > Why this story was never drawn? > I suspect it probably was explain in the "Hall of Fame". but > since we won't get a "Don Rosa's Hall of Fame" here The easiest way to answer that is copy over the original text that I sent to Egmont for inclusion in that ROSA HALL OF FAME II volume: THE STAR-STRUCK DUCK Late in 1988 I was asked by Gladstone to create a very special story! The Disney-MGM Studio themepark was nearing completion and Disney had asked Gladstone Comics to create a Donald Duck story to promote the new park, an assignment the editors passed to me. This was especially interesting because I was then invited to have a special VIP tour of the unfinished park! I stopped by DisneyWorld for that purpose while returning from a Christmas vacation in Key West, and I was given a private tour of the entire place. I made various notes and sketches that I would use in writing a Donald Duck story set in the Park. When I was growing up in the mid 1950's, Dell's Disney comics sometimes also featured similar special stories where Donald or Mickey or other Disney characters were shown visiting the brand new Disneyland amusement park in California, promo stories surely requested by Disney then just as they had requested a Disney-MGM Studio promo story from Gladstone. The way in which those old Dell stories worked was that we would see Donald taking his Nephews to Disneyland, then after about a page he would say "y'know, this reminds me of the time that." and the story would switch from involving Disneyland to a flashback tale of something else altogether. Well, I wanted to do something better than that! I would actually have my entire story take place in the new Disney-MGM Studio Park. I would have Donald interact with every attraction in the new park, even with geographic accuracy. I would have lots of funny references to old Disney films and history. And I would even use Mickey Mouse in the story! Now, a few of you may know that in my personal view of Donald Duck's "Universe" Mickey Mouse does not really exist. at least not as a chum that Donald might sometimes interact with. But I thought it would be an amusing situation if I used Mickey Mouse as being a famous "movie star" in Donald's world, and having the action involve a Keystone Kops chase through the Park that results when Donald is trying to get the famous Mouse's autograph. And I thought I did a really magnificent job accomplishing all that! I spent most of January creating a masterpiece of promotion spotlighting every square meter of that new theme park. But the story was never produced. Disney rejected my script when Gladstone showed it to them. You might think that the reason for rejection was the bizarre manner in which I use Mickey Mouse within my own personal vision of the Duck Universe. You might think it's because I made too many references to old movies or other characters that only film buffs like me would understand. You might think it was because I based the closing gag on an old expression that might no longer be understood (and which you Europeans might not know?): "I can't remember his name, but his face sure rings a bell". But no, none of those. The reason I was given for Disney's rejection was that they thought my story was "too commercial". BOING! Huh? Wasn't that the whole idea?! Anyway, this is the only Duckstory I ever wrote that was rejected and that I never completed with finished art. But I naturally saved my storyboard-script and Egmont asked to use it in its chronological place here in this volume, for it's first printing anywhere! (And I'll finally get paid for that lost month of work I did 'way back in January, 1989! Hoo-Hah!) From ggk at wp.pl Thu Sep 15 21:18:55 2005 From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:18:55 +0200 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 17 Message-ID: <001b01c5ba2a$567ccf20$cf00a8c0@gmg> > From Don Rosa : >The easiest way to answer that is copy over the original text that I sent to >Egmont for inclusion in that ROSA HALL OF FAME II volume: Thank you very much, for this answer! :-)))))))))) This would explain many of the hidden Mickeys [like the toys in the "Dutchman's Secret" story] ;-) Yours Maciek -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20050915/f1eb29bb/attachment.html From lpj at forfatter.dk Fri Sep 16 22:33:31 2005 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 22:33:31 +0200 Subject: Mouse Detective Message-ID: <003a01c5bafe$83ec7b20$4b779dd9@idb3156> L. Schulte wrote: > The discussion about detective stories reminded me of the animated > Disney movie in the middle 1980's The Great Mouse Detective, which > used the voice of the great Vincent Price for Rattigan, the villain in > the story. I have always thought this movie was underrated and > under-appreciated. The finale, in the gears of the clock Big Ben, has > even been copied by Jackie Chan in Shanghai Knights. If you do not > know this movie, made before The Lion King, you are missing a very > fine and funny piece of work. Agreed. For some mind-boggling reason, this great movie seems to have been forgotten by everyone. It's not perfect, and the animation is too limited -- but in story content and in its ability to involve the audience it was a *giant* step up from "The Fox and the Hound". ("The Black Cauldron" was never shown in Danish movie theatres, so I've never seen it and can't comment on it.) Disney should have made a "Great Mouse Detective" TV series spin-off, like they did with "Aladdin" etc. Lars From marvinw at zahav.net.il Sat Sep 17 13:02:30 2005 From: marvinw at zahav.net.il (Marvinw) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 13:02:30 +0200 Subject: Mouse Detective, Black Cauldron and the Disney feature film formula Message-ID: <001401c5bb77$5402d020$8c32e454@euronet.euronet> Lars Jensen wrote: The thing that especially excited me about The Great Mouse Detective and The Flight of the Navigator before it, was that it demonstrated that the Disney animators understood that to recreate reality using computers, one must start with recreating light, or precisely, the effects of light. In the Flight of the Navigator, the steps which led from the flight machine were computer created and correctly showed the planing of light. In The Great Mouse Detective, the opening of the movie was entirely in fog, tendrils of which floated toward one with almost three dimensional impact because of the computer rendered highlights edging of the forms. This was all in profound contrast to Tron, which had a kind of cheesy rotoscoping cum 8-bit processing quality to it, no matter that it is considered a cult-favorite today. Let there be light! -- * Did you know that Leonardo da Vinci's greatest works were destroyed? * That he had an adopted son nicknamed Salai, the "little Devil"? "CHIAROSCURO: The Private Lives of Leonardo da Vinci" A graphic novel by Dave Rawson, Pat McGreal & Chaz Truog. ISBN 1-4012-0498-8 (Available everywhere late October 2005) From bobp at contracorner.com Tue Sep 20 00:00:49 2005 From: bobp at contracorner.com (Bob Peterson) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:00:49 -0400 Subject: Fiat Lux In-Reply-To: <432C5EDF.8040301@DrawsOn.Com> References: <432C5EDF.8040301@DrawsOn.Com> Message-ID: I like to look for and appreciate the rendering of light. It's because of that that I liked and still like TRON. The light quality was exactly one of the features that drew me to the film, flaws and all. It was about being in a computer, with those the crude graphics of the time. The light was the major factor that helped sell that. I'd like to see a modern revisiting of the premise, with modern rendering (and modern rendering glitches). (TRON was more of a Disney label than a Disney production, for what that's worth. Somewhere I've read or heard that it pulled the studio out of a charisma slump.) \bob peterson On Sep 17, 2005, at 2:22 PM, Dave Rawson wrote: > This was all in profound contrast to Tron, which had a kind of > cheesy rotoscoping cum 8-bit processing quality to it, no matter > that it is considered a cult-favorite today. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20050920/2e6e47fe/attachment.html From kyrimis at alumni.princeton.edu Tue Sep 20 12:36:56 2005 From: kyrimis at alumni.princeton.edu (Kriton Kyrimis) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 13:36:56 +0300 Subject: Fiat Lux In-Reply-To: References: <432C5EDF.8040301@DrawsOn.Com> Message-ID: <432FE648.5040601@alumni.princeton.edu> BOB: > with those the crude graphics of the time. Although that time's computer graphics may appear crude compared to today's standards, TRON's graphics were anything but the crude graphics *of the time*. Disney's animators used something like 9000 hours of computer time on a Cray XMP supercomputer, one of the fastest computers of the time, to produce relatively realistic images that had nothing in common with the jaggy, low-resolution, 16-color-at-best images that personal computers of the time could produce. I remember that my initial reaction to the film was that it did not look to me at all like it was computer-generated; I wanted to see jagged edges and individual pixels! However, I feel that the biggest flaw of the movie was summarized by the professor teaching a computer graphics course that I took back in 1984 or so: they spent most of their budget on buying computer time, instead of a script! Kriton. ----- "When do I get to meet some monsters?" "Never, hopefully." ----- From niamhcarey7 at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 17:58:06 2005 From: niamhcarey7 at gmail.com (Niamh Carey) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:58:06 +0100 Subject: Research Message-ID: <1f1a950105092008585d3a9716@mail.gmail.com> To whom this may concern, My name is Niamh, i am a student in Ireland currently studying Graphic Design. I have to write a thesis over the course of this year, and i have decided to write about comic books and graphic art, and their effect on so many people. Comic books have almost attained cult status in the US and i would like to discuss in my essay the reasons why people respond to them so strongly. If anyone has any thoughts on this topic i would love to hear them. Thanks, Niamh From bobp at contracorner.com Wed Sep 21 14:27:58 2005 From: bobp at contracorner.com (Bob Peterson) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:27:58 -0400 Subject: Fiat Lux In-Reply-To: <432FE648.5040601@alumni.princeton.edu> References: <432C5EDF.8040301@DrawsOn.Com> <432FE648.5040601@alumni.princeton.edu> Message-ID: Kriton, I'm in agreement on all your points, except calling the Disney animators. I thought they were mainly Lisberger's team. How many Disney animators participated? The light flickering flaws were due to the manual glow processing, not the computer graphics. Still, they reminded me of the flickering quality of the era's CRTs and made a fine substitute for jaggies. BTW, if TRON were made today, we'd have to avoid one moviegoer's criticism of "Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within": she walked out because the actors were too wooden! And one final point before we turn this list BACK to Disney Comics: A useful CGI timeline: From kyrimis at alumni.princeton.edu Thu Sep 22 08:31:46 2005 From: kyrimis at alumni.princeton.edu (Kriton Kyrimis) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 09:31:46 +0300 Subject: Fiat Lux In-Reply-To: References: <432C5EDF.8040301@DrawsOn.Com> <432FE648.5040601@alumni.princeton.edu> Message-ID: <43324FD2.9050203@alumni.princeton.edu> BOB: > I'm in agreement on all your points, except calling the Disney > animators. I thought they were mainly Lisberger's team. How many > Disney animators participated? If you mean, how many traditional animators in Disney's regular employ, I've no idea; probably none. I used the term "Disney animators" in the sense of people doing animation on behalf of Disney. > BTW, if TRON were made today, we'd have to avoid one moviegoer's > criticism of "Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within": she walked out > because the actors were too wooden! Wooden? I thought they were plastic! :-) Kriton. ----- "You are arrogant, you 're overbearing, and you think you know everything." "But, I do know everything." "That makes it even worse." ----- From asaramelli at ig.com.br Thu Sep 22 20:10:40 2005 From: asaramelli at ig.com.br (asaramelli) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 15:10:40 -0300 Subject: Uncle scrooge and The Corporative Governance Message-ID: <20050922_181040_070322.asaramelli@ig.com.br> ?The latest news is that millionaire Scrooge McDuck decided to break his self-imposed pact of silence on this topic and limited himself to answering three questions at a press conference in Anaheim, California. Although not directly related to the Disney corporate scandals, the first question reflected global curiosity in respect of this individual?s unmatched personal fortune. Asked the journalist, ?What was your secret for becoming so wealthy?? The famously ill-humored McDuck dryly answered, ?It?s very simple. I?ve always spent less than I earned and multiplied the difference?. The second question, straight to the bull?s eye of the interview?s core topic, was ?Are you a Disney Corporation shareholder?? Uncle Scrooge replied, ?I have been a small shareholder in the past, since, given the nature of my professional involvement with the company, I never wished to be a major shareholder, in order to avoid potential conflicts of interest. On becoming aware of the appalling quality of the company?s Corporate Governance, I tried to convince the members of the board that this policy would not add value to the company and that, on the contrary, it would destroy share value. Since I was unsuccessful, in line with Client Theory, I sold my stock and bought shares in another company that implemented good Corporate Governance practices?. The last question put to McDuck, who was clearly anxious to depart, was ?What would be your advice to multiply the difference between earnings and expenditures?? Clearly exasperated and making his exit, he answered ?By diversifying investments and, in the case of stock, by only buying from companies with a high level of Corporate Governance. A very good afternoon to you all?. The interview above wasn?t wrote by an Disney Artist. It was wrote by a corporative governance expert and professional councelor in some brazilian enterprises Mr Luciano Carvalho Ventura. The Stock Market confidence is needed for all investors and companies operations, but despite of this, it?s not difficult to read in journals bad news about corporative governance. Luciano Ventura thinked about a Uncle Scrooge "interview" to help comment about a bad news with the Disney Company in one his newsletter, posted to executives around the world. More than the message about corporative governance in the interview, we need to see that an character identified by many people as acting in the 50?s, old, dead or by many brazilians identified only with the childrens universe, was able to act in an modern times situation with sucess. For me is umconfortable to see Uncle Scrooge identified as a childrens age character. The childrens world is full of new character and the promotion action less is the born to create a confusion : Childrens think that Disney histories are too much complex and adults don?t read Disney histories because they think it is for children. I ask for your attention for the next point : Why many people (like me ) keeps on working inside glass panels buildings, with ?unpleasure? and hard jobs ? There?s nothing better to earns the life ? Because the business world is a very motivating world ! And the Disney world is the only that show so good the business world. So, in a world when to have some fun we need to enter in war equipments like flights or military trucks, got exaustive fisically fightings, to operate guns, missiles, arh, kill enemies, why not to have some fun trying go over the breakeven point ? Why not show this Disney skills with promotional actions ? Another suggestion for the Disney artists : In our days, traditional and classical stolens are very rare. Why not to invite Mickey, with his justice sense, to investigate situations in a governance corporative world ? Think about ! Despite the surname, Luciano Ventura hasn?t family links with Fernando Ventura, this last a Disney artist. Both of them only know about each one work by this job. Now, the Luciano Ventura full text, who runs a specialized governance corporative company in s?o Paulo, and wrote another newsletter, with Donald Duck. Alexandre Saramelli http://www.lcvco.com.br/english/lcvnews05-01-02.htm The Walt Disney Corporation will celebrate its fiftieth anniversary as it struggles to recover from its own corporate scandals. At the beginning of May 2005 the world?s first and largest theme park, created by the unrivalled genius of Walt Disney, Disneyland in Anaheim, California, will celebrate its 50th anniversary. The festivities to continue for 18 months will not be limited to California, but will extend to the World Disney Resort in Florida, the Tokyo Disneyland in Japan, the Paris Disneyland Resort, and the Hong Kong Disneyland, this last to be inaugurated in December 2005. However, all these celebrations are being held in an environment of successive corporate scandal in the US courts. This is due to the abysmal quality of the Corporate Governance practiced by the Disney Corporation, chiefly in respect of the conflict of interests of the Chairman of the corporation?s Board of Directors and the majority of its members. There is the case brought by investors nearly ten years ago at the State of Delaware Supreme Court against the members of the company?s Board of Directors, allegedly for the fact that the latter frequently and deliberately ignored shareholder interests. Since then, new data has emerged, such as service agreements at exorbitant prices drawn up by companies owned by members of the Disney Corporation?s Board of Directors. Michael Eirner, the leader of this fraudulent operation, who masked all these irregularities, for over twenty years ran one of the world?s best known trademarks, is about to be replaced at which time he will, finally, be required to render accounts of his actions to the US courts of justice. The latest news is that millionaire Scrooge McDuck decided to break his self-imposed pact of silence on this topic and limited himself to answering three questions at a press conference in Anaheim, California. Although not directly related to the Disney corporate scandals, the first question reflected global curiosity in respect of this individual?s unmatched personal fortune. Asked the journalist, ?What was your secret for becoming so wealthy?? The famously ill-humored McDuck dryly answered, ?It?s very simple. I?ve always spent less than I earned and multiplied the difference?. The second question, straight to the bull?s eye of the interview?s core topic, was ?Are you a Disney Corporation shareholder?? Uncle Scrooge replied, ?I have been a small shareholder in the past, since, given the nature of my professional involvement with the company, I never wished to be a major shareholder, in order to avoid potential conflicts of interest. On becoming aware of the appalling quality of the company?s Corporate Governance, I tried to convince the members of the board that this policy would not add value to the company and that, on the contrary, it would destroy share value. Since I was unsuccessful, in line with Client Theory, I sold my stock and bought shares in another company that implemented good Corporate Governance practices?. The last question put to McDuck, who was clearly anxious to depart, was ?What would be your advice to multiply the difference between earnings and expenditures?? Clearly exasperated and making his exit, he answered ?By diversifying investments and, in the case of stock, by only buying from companies with a high level of Corporate Governance. A very good afternoon to you all?. From david.skoglund at att.net Thu Sep 22 20:04:42 2005 From: david.skoglund at att.net (david.skoglund@att.net) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 18:04:42 +0000 Subject: Carl Barks Library - Set 10? Message-ID: <092220051804.9986.4332F23A00039BB70000270221603762230B029A040901059CD20B07900E0B@att.net> Does anyone out there know where I might find a copy of Set 10 for sale? Outside of waiting for a set to show up on eBay I don't know where to find one. Thanks. -- david.skoglund at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20050922/5a37feeb/attachment.html From asaramelli at ig.com.br Thu Sep 22 23:21:06 2005 From: asaramelli at ig.com.br (asaramelli) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 18:21:06 -0300 Subject: The Uncle Scrooge Accountant Message-ID: <20050922_212106_014428.asaramelli@ig.com.br> Dear Soren, Paulo, Rob and all DCML friends. With your help, it was possible to talk about the Clercky character with our local publisher, the Editora Abril. Our translation bureau ?Lua Azul? are going to translate the Uncle Scrooge accountant as ?Clercky? and no more by ?contador ? , accountant in portuguese. It?s a small detail, at the same time quality is on the details ! Thank you very much for the help. Alexandre Saramelli asaramelli asaramelli at ig.com.br Thu Aug 18 21:26:52 CEST 2005 Paolo : The Uncle Scrooge accountant Thanks for your help, as I saw , " Down for the Count " wasn?t published in Brazil, but I?m verifying with the members of the brazilian Disney List to more information, because the image I remember in my mind about Sr, Num?rio is very closer than I saw in "Dow for the Count" Thanks a lot ! Alexandre Saramelli S?o Paulo - Brazil Rob Klein bi442 at lafn.org Tue Aug 9 09:23:37 CEST 2005 Regarding Scrooge's in-house accountant: In a lot of Barks' stories Uncle Scrooge had a worker in his offices called "Clerkly". I assume that he was the in-house accountant for McDuck Enterprises. In several stories (including a few one-pagers) there was an accountant who came to see him. I assume this was McDuck Enterprises' outside "consulting accounting firm", which prepared the firm's tax statements , quarterly and annual reports. Unfortunately, I don't believe these accountants were ever given names by Barks. Paolo Castagno paolo at papersera.net Sun Aug 14 00:26:38 CEST 2005 > I received the following some days ago. Anybody who can help? > Do you know anybody who is able to help me to find mr Num?rio ? Could it be Down for the Count (W US 61-03)? http://coa.inducks.org/story.php/x/W+US+++61-03 - Paolo http://www.papersera.net S?ren Krarup Olesen sko at inducks.org Mon Aug 8 09:26:11 CEST 2005 Subject: Mr Num?rio - The Uncle Scrooge Accountant Date: Monday 25 July 2005 16:47 From: asaramelli To: webmaster at inducks.org Dear All I?m writting an article about Uncle Scrooge and his accountants. In all histories I read, Uncle scrooge call his accountant always by "accountant", never by an human name, like John or Peter. At the same time, I remember that the Uncle Scrooge called in a history, I don?t remember what, his accountant by the name " Sr. Num?rio " in portuguese. Do you know anybody who is able to help me to find mr Num?rio ? Thank you Alexandre Saramelli From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com Fri Sep 23 22:49:04 2005 From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:49:04 EDT Subject: August 2005 US Gemstone Comic Book Sales Message-ID: <215.9dc1700.3065c440@aol.com> Hi all! Here are the comic book sales for Gemstone for August 2005: Top 300 Comics: 219. Uncle Scrooge #345 4,794 228. Donald Duck and Friends #331 4,395 233. Mickey Mouse and Friends #280 4,077 238. Walt Disney's Comics and Stories #660 3,831 Top 100 Graphic Novels: 21. Donald Duck Adventures #13 2,762 26. World of the Dragonlords 2,576 36. Mickey Mouse Adventures #5 2,284 Too bad DDA isn't a regular top 10 book anymore. Sales are good, but not great. And MMA seems to be proving that a Mouse book will never sell close to what a Duck book will. I don't think even Gottfredson reincarnated, would change that. In better news, Yay for Dragonlords. :) http://www.icv2.com/articles/home/7534.html http://www.icv2.com/articles/home/7535.html Derek Smith -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20050923/b7251116/attachment.html From nickpd2001 at hotmail.com Sat Sep 24 06:03:30 2005 From: nickpd2001 at hotmail.com (Nick PD) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 00:03:30 -0400 Subject: Uncle Scrooge #219 Message-ID: I have a copy of Uncle Scrooge #219 (published 1987) in very good condition. Would it be possible to give me an estimate in its value? Thank you From nils at math.uio.no Sun Sep 25 04:01:25 2005 From: nils at math.uio.no (nils@math.uio.no) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 04:01:25 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Swedish HoF translator? Message-ID: <60395.80.111.17.231.1127613685.squirrel@webmail.uio.no> I'd like to get in touch with the Danish and Swedish translators of the Scandinavian Egmont Hall of Fame series. Actually I already know that AC Siveb?k is the Dane in question, and have his mail address, but who's the Swede? Is it you, Stefan Di?s? Could you please mail me privately? Thanks Nils Lid Hjort From lpj at forfatter.dk Sun Sep 25 14:00:36 2005 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 14:00:36 +0200 Subject: Swedish HoF translator? Message-ID: <002b01c5c1c9$06e0a4e0$4a779dd9@idb3156> Nils Lid Hjort wrote: > I'd like to get in touch with the Danish and Swedish > translators of the Scandinavian Egmont Hall of Fame > series. Actually I already know that AC Sivebæk is > the Dane in question [...] The Danish publisher uses several translators. Some translate only articles, others only stories. Lars From NHH at ra.sa.dk Mon Sep 26 11:58:15 2005 From: NHH at ra.sa.dk (Niels Houlberg Hansen) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:58:15 +0200 Subject: A little bit of help needed from the Swedish Donaldists Message-ID: <4C7F3CA00894D711A1AE0090279A6A630ED3EA@rasrv-exc.sar.top.local> Hello. I'm preparing the illustrations for a small article that I'm writing, but I'm missing one. More specifically, I need a cover scan of "Kalle Anka" no. 1/1948. It doesn't have to be a very big scan. As far as I remember, there is a small reproduction of that particular cover on the dust jacket of "Den kompletta argangen 1948". That would suit my purpose nicely. In return you will get my eternal gratitude. Kind regards Niels From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Mon Sep 26 14:07:49 2005 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 14:07:49 +0200 Subject: A little bit of help needed from the Swedish Donaldists Message-ID: <81FEC275650AE14EBD5245E624762B970236EDCC@ds07.tnoase.telecom.tno.nl> Niels: > I need a cover scan of "Kalle Anka" no. 1/1948. I have one here: http://dd50.inducks.org/xned1952.html (Oddly enough, this scan is not on outducks.) --Harry. From NHH at ra.sa.dk Mon Sep 26 14:22:29 2005 From: NHH at ra.sa.dk (Niels Houlberg Hansen) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 14:22:29 +0200 Subject: SV: A little bit of help needed from the Swedish Donaldists Message-ID: <4C7F3CA00894D711A1AE0090279A6A630ED3EB@rasrv-exc.sar.top.local> Thanks!! -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl [mailto:H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl] Sendt: 26. september 2005 14:08 Til: NHH at ra.sa.dk; dcml at stp.lingfil.uu.se Emne: RE: A little bit of help needed from the Swedish Donaldists Niels: > I need a cover scan of "Kalle Anka" no. 1/1948. I have one here: http://dd50.inducks.org/xned1952.html (Oddly enough, this scan is not on outducks.) --Harry. From fstromberg at telia.com Mon Sep 26 14:48:20 2005 From: fstromberg at telia.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fredrik_Str=F6mberg?=) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 14:48:20 +0200 Subject: Sherlock, again Message-ID: <008b01c5c298$c7eddfc0$230e40d5@Brbar> Hi! I am looking for the following comics. Does anyone on the list have the, and a scanner handy, please mail me off list. Sheerluck Goof and the Giggling Ghost of Nottenny Moor (KJG 006 ? Goofy Adventures 16) Sheerluck duck (W DD 167-03 ? Donald Duck 167/1975) Detective Sheerluck Bones (W OS 802-04 ? One Shots (a.k.a. Four Color Comics) 802 (1957) Thanks! Fredrik Str?mberg Hantverkaregatan 6 D 211 55 Malm? Sweden +46 40 6110089 From npanag_2 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 27 12:36:35 2005 From: npanag_2 at yahoo.com (NIKOS PANAGIOTOPOYLOS) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:36:35 +0100 (BST) Subject: Hi , I tried to draw mickey mouse and I want your opinions about my drawing Message-ID: <20050927103635.6688.qmail@web51113.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, my hobby is to draw characters. I tried to draw tweety, and mickey mouse. you can see those drawings in http://eikonik.8m.com if you want to see only mickey http://eikonik.8m.com/images/mickey.jpg if you wanna see only tweety http://eikonik.8m.com/images/lena-tweety.jpg I have also created my own character you can see it in http://eikonik.8m.com Please tell me your opinion about my drawings. ___________________________________________________________ ?????????????? Yahoo!; ?????????? ?? ?????????? ???????? (spam); ?? Yahoo! Mail ???????? ??? ???????? ?????? ????????? ???? ??? ??????????? ????????? http://login.yahoo.com/config/mail?.intl=gr From lpj at forfatter.dk Thu Sep 29 22:12:58 2005 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 22:12:58 +0200 Subject: Zantaf Message-ID: <001c01c5c532$959da360$02779dd9@idb3156> Except for a cover and a few cameos, the character Zantaf has only been used by Luciano Bottaro and Carlo Chendi. Does anybody know why other Italian creators haven't taken up this (in my opinion) great villain? Lars From olaf.solstrand at andebyonline.com Fri Sep 30 11:46:39 2005 From: olaf.solstrand at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 11:46:39 +0200 Subject: Indiana Pipps Message-ID: <200509300946.j8U9kdiU007353@tor.mimer.no> Greetings, does any of you, by any chance, know what the Egmont English name of Indiana Pipps, Goofy\'s adventorous cousin from Italian stories, is? According to INDUCKS, he\'s been participating in at least ONE Egmont-story, and I assume that he had an English name at some point in that process. If any of you know what it is, it would be of GREAT help to me. Olaf [ edge technologies wap e-mail @ http://wap.edge.no/ ]