From shadslists at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 07:42:29 2010 From: shadslists at gmail.com (Shad Daly) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 23:42:29 -0700 Subject: Fwd: Are You a Disney Comic Book Fan? In-Reply-To: <835383.52643.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <835383.52643.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Here's an interesting email from Disney. If it doesn't load properly, you can read it online here: http://disney.go.com/inside/mainattraction/100126/index.html-- Shad Z. ^Q^ My Blog: http://shadzane.livejournal.com/ My Web Site: http://shadz.homestead.com/files/ --- On *Tue, 1/26/10, Disney Insider *wrote: From: Disney Insider Subject: Are You a Disney Comic Book Fan? To: shadz at rocketmail.com Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 5:13 PM [image: Disney Insider] [image: Disney Insider] *January 26, 2010* [image: Disney Insider] [image: Disney Insider] [image: Disney Insider] *Welcome, Shad* [image: Disney Insider] Not an Insider? 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I receive the Disney Insider and why it didn't occur to me to post it here is beyond me.? However, if anyone is interested, both myself and Chris Barat posted our thoughts on the article to our blogs.? Mine is here: http://chuckmunson.blogspot.com/2010/01/from-rant-and-rave-dept-disney.html?and Chris' is here: http://newsandviewsbychrisbarat.blogspot.com/2010/01/boom-dogging.html?.? Not meaning to speak for Chris, but I think we also would be interested in the impression of others to this discovery of Disney comics by corporate Disney (LOL). Cheers to everyone from a very snowy Northern Virginia, Chuck Munson Herndon, Virginia From paolo at papersera.net Mon Feb 15 18:43:24 2010 From: paolo at papersera.net (Paolo Castagno) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:43:24 +0100 Subject: Virtual Disney cards on Papersera Message-ID: <28f737041002150943m7f1d8facjcc27e9778c07db7b@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Trying to create some noise on this too silent list, I'm back writing here after years since my last message, with a proposal to all of you. For those who are interested, and who can read/perceive some Italian, on Papersera (http://www.papersera.net) just started a game that might be of some interest to you: I made a game consisting of a collection of **virtual** Donald Duck related trading cards, with an album to collect them. They are virtual since they only exists on the website, are not for sale or printed in any way. I'll try to explain the "rules", but bear with me: it's already difficult in Italian, in English I'm quite sure I won't made you understand a lot... BTW, every day, hidden among the Papersera webpages, are located from 1 to 5 packs, each containing 6 random cards. By clicking on the pack, once you've found it, the cards will "pop-up" and the ones you miss will be automatically added to your album, wile the ones you might already own, will be available for you to arrange exchanges with the other participants. There are 562 cards to be found, and several weeks to "play" the game. Well, I think that showing you how it works can make you understand it better than my words, if you're interested take a look to the following pages: The album (55 pages): http://www.papersera.net/speciale/a2010/ap01.php Some explanations: http://www.papersera.net/speciale/album2010.php Where to exchange your doubles: http://www.papersera.net/speciale/a2010/scambi.php Where to read further informations, and ask for clarifications (also in English): http://www.papersera.net/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1265892147 In order to participate is required an account, you can get one on this page: http://www.papersera.net/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?action=register Feel free to ask me further informations, and enjoy this game! - Paolo From paolo at papersera.net Mon Feb 15 18:55:12 2010 From: paolo at papersera.net (Paolo Castagno) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:55:12 +0100 Subject: Virtual Disney cards on Papersera Message-ID: <4b798a80.29.4805.374829754@webmaildh6.ad.aruba.it> Hi, Trying to create some noise on this too silent list, I'm back writing here after years since my last message, with a proposal to all of you. For those who are interested, and who can read/perceive some Italian, on Papersera (http://www.papersera.net) just started a game that might be of some interest to you: I made a game consisting of a collection of **virtual** Donald Duck related trading cards, with an album to collect them. They are virtual since they only exists on the website, are not for sale or printed in any way. I'll try to explain the "rules", but bear with me: it's already difficult in Italian, in English I'm quite sure I won't made you understand a lot... BTW, every day, hidden among the Papersera webpages, are located from 1 to 5 packs, each containing 6 random cards. By clicking on the pack, once you've found it, the cards will "pop-up" and the ones you miss will be automatically added to your album, wile the ones you might already own, will be available for you to arrange exchanges with the other participants. There are 562 cards to be found, and several weeks to "play" the game. Well, I think that showing you how it works can make you understand it better than my words, if you're interested take a look to the following pages: The album (55 pages): http://www.papersera.net/speciale/a2010/ap01.php Some explanations: http://www.papersera.net/speciale/album2010.php Where to exchange your doubles: http://www.papersera.net/speciale/a2010/scambi.php Where to read further informations, and ask for clarifications (also in English): http://www.papersera.net/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1265892147 In order to participate is required an account, you can get one on this page: http://www.papersera.net/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?action=register Feel free to ask me further informations, and enjoy this game! - Paolo From schulte at teacher.com Tue Feb 16 14:04:52 2010 From: schulte at teacher.com (schulte at teacher.com) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 08:04:52 -0500 Subject: Paolo/Papersera/The Future of Comic Books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC7D1FC34BA7CA-139C-11E5@web-mmc-d07.sysops.aol.com> Many thanks to Paolo for his efforts at Papersera! As a teacher of Latin, who has some Italian training, I can understand some of the site! The website obviously has taken many hours to construct! I think of Beru's website with all the scans of stories by Barks, Rosa, et al. With Kindle and other so-called "e-books" I do wonder if Internet paperless publishing is not the best way to continue the tradition of Disney Comics as handed down to us by Barks, Rosa, et al. On the other hand, perhaps the comic-book story is obsolescent? Today's Wall Street Journal has an article on 3-D cartoons coming out this Spring and Summer, along with regular movies (over 20 total: how does a $9.00 comic book compete with a $9.00 ticket to a 3-D movie? To be sure, you can keep and re-read the comic book. But for the new "thrill me more" generations, that might be a difficult proposition to sell. 3-D Cartoons Best Wishes! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bangfish at cableone.net Wed Feb 17 16:57:29 2010 From: bangfish at cableone.net (Gary Leach) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 08:57:29 -0700 Subject: In the Dawning Era of E-Books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <33485674-71A8-435A-9CCE-1AAE7B0A82B8@cableone.net> I've also wondered about the future of comic books as printed on paper (or dead trees, as some will have it). Back when we first started working on computers to produce Gladstone comics, they seemed to be the answer to time-consuming and increasingly expensive "traditional" publishing production techniques. Only slowly did it start to dawn on us that computers combined with networking combined with the Internet heralded what was, perhaps, the beginning of the end of publishing as we even knew it. In many ways publishing on paper has met the future and found it dismal. Whether it goes away entirely remains to be seen, but indications are that the 32-page comic book that I and so many others grew up with is reaching the end of its time as the main medium for comics. It's a melancholy thought, at least for old-timers like me. Still, I remain interested in what the future holds. And I think there are some bright prospects there for old friends like Donald, Scrooge and Mickey. The trick seems to be, at this stage, getting a bead on the most effective way to present them. Gary > From: schulte at teacher.com > Date: February 16, 2010 6:04:52 AM GMT-07:00 > To: dcml at nafsk.se > Subject: Re: Paolo/Papersera/The Future of Comic Books > > > Many thanks to Paolo for his efforts at Papersera! > As a teacher of Latin, who has some Italian training, I can > understand some of the site! > The website obviously has taken many hours to construct! I think of > Beru's website with all the scans of stories by Barks, Rosa, et al. > With Kindle and other so-called "e-books" I do wonder if Internet > paperless publishing is not the best way to continue the tradition of > Disney Comics as handed down to us by Barks, Rosa, et al. On the > other hand, perhaps the comic-book story > is obsolescent? Today's Wall Street Journal has an article on 3-D > cartoons coming out this Spring and Summer, along with regular > movies (over 20 total: > how does a $9.00 comic book compete with a $9.00 ticket to a 3-D > movie? To be sure, you can keep and re-read the comic book. > But for the new "thrill me more" generations, that might be a > difficult proposition to sell. > 3-D Cartoons > > > Best Wishes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nunojsilva at ist.utl.pt Thu Feb 18 17:46:12 2010 From: nunojsilva at ist.utl.pt (Nuno J. Silva) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 16:46:12 +0000 Subject: Paolo/Papersera/The Future of Comic Books In-Reply-To: <8CC7D1FC34BA7CA-139C-11E5@web-mmc-d07.sysops.aol.com> (schulte@teacher.com's message of "Tue, 16 Feb 2010 08:04:52 -0500") References: <8CC7D1FC34BA7CA-139C-11E5@web-mmc-d07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <871vgilcff.fsf@monolith.local.lan> schulte at teacher.com writes: [...] > With Kindle and other so-called "e-books" I do wonder if Internet > paperless publishing is not the best way to continue the tradition of > Disney Comics as handed down to us by Barks, Rosa, et al. On the I understand reading on computer means less dead trees, and that it takes less physical space, but I still print documents to read them on paper, and I sometimes I find I like to read it on a real-book-form. In my opinion it should be investigated - there might be some demand for Disney Comics e-books. As far as it is delivered with quality and on an acessible format, it is another way to sell comic books. But I would keep also the dead-trees branch of the business. > other hand, perhaps the comic-book story > is obsolescent? Today's Wall Street Journal has an article on 3-D > cartoons coming out this Spring and Summer, along with regular movies This is probably tue to Avatar, in the next months I'd expect some 3D stuff. > (over 20 total: > how does a $9.00 comic book compete with a $9.00 ticket to a 3-D > movie? To be sure, you can keep and re-read the comic book. > But for the new "thrill me more" generations, that might be a > difficult proposition to sell. > 3-D Cartoons You can ask the same question with a DVD/VHS release: if you buy your copy you can keep it and watch as many times as you want. -- Nuno J. Silva From fluks4 at planet.nl Fri Feb 19 10:07:37 2010 From: fluks4 at planet.nl (fluks4 at planet.nl) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:07:37 +0100 Subject: [SPG,Suspected,pattern=3.50]RE: DCML Digest, Vol 84, Issue 5 References: Message-ID: <7511D8590E1CDF4EAB5BF83BE633154806EA9041@CPEXBE-EML18.kpnsp.local> Gary wrote: > I've also wondered about the future of comic books as printed on paper This reminds me of a Dutch cartoon I recently saw (Fokke & Sukke). Two medieval monks say to each other: "That new-fashioned book-printing technique will never last. People will always want to have *hand-written* books!" Mutatis mutandis for the 21st century. :-) --Harry. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryblake2 at juno.com Fri Feb 19 19:20:05 2010 From: jerryblake2 at juno.com (jerryblake2 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 18:20:05 GMT Subject: Complete Mickey Message-ID: <20100219.132005.14549.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> I realize that this may be a question without a satisfying answer, but does anyone know if there are any copies of the limited edition Complete Floyd Gottfredson Mickey Mouse book (daily strips from 1930 to 1955) still available for sale? I've heard the book used to be carried by a German company called Dreidreizehn's, but they don't offer it anymore. Any information will be greatly appreciated. ____________________________________________________________ Small Business Tools Compete with the big boys. Click here to find products to benefit your business. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=2Y12yI__gP8PjHTpZc12AQAAJ1CJbg1rPWgPNHWlrp36zQFoAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARMQAAAAA= From kyrimis at talent.gr Fri Feb 19 12:17:03 2010 From: kyrimis at talent.gr (Kriton Kyrimis) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:17:03 +0200 Subject: Hand-written books In-Reply-To: <7511D8590E1CDF4EAB5BF83BE633154806EA9041@CPEXBE-EML18.kpnsp.local> References: <7511D8590E1CDF4EAB5BF83BE633154806EA9041@CPEXBE-EML18.kpnsp.local> Message-ID: <4B7E732F.2010207@talent.gr> HARRY: > Two > medieval monks say to each other: "That new-fashioned book-printing > technique will never last. People will always want to have > *hand-written* books!" Um, don't many people in this list still prefer hand-written lettering over typesetting in comic books? Kriton. ----- "You exist, only because your will insists that you exist; but your will is all that is left of you!" ----- From tonyleopold at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 15:42:42 2010 From: tonyleopold at gmail.com (Tony Leopold) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 08:42:42 -0600 Subject: Paolo/Papersera/The Future of Comic Books In-Reply-To: <871vgilcff.fsf@monolith.local.lan> References: <8CC7D1FC34BA7CA-139C-11E5@web-mmc-d07.sysops.aol.com> <871vgilcff.fsf@monolith.local.lan> Message-ID: I'm getting an iPad and would love to read Disney comics (new and old) on it. On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Nuno J. Silva wrote: > schulte at teacher.com writes: > > [...] >> With Kindle and other so-called "e-books" I do wonder if Internet >> paperless publishing is not the best way to continue the tradition of >> Disney Comics as handed down to us by Barks, Rosa, et al. ?On the > > I understand reading on computer means less dead trees, and that it > takes less physical space, but I still print documents to read them on > paper, and I sometimes I find I like to read it on a real-book-form. > > In my opinion it should be investigated - there might be some demand for > Disney Comics e-books. As far as it is delivered with quality and on an > acessible format, it is another way to sell comic books. But I would > keep also the dead-trees branch of the business. > >> other hand, perhaps the comic-book story >> is obsolescent? ?Today's Wall Street Journal has an article on 3-D >> cartoons coming out this Spring and Summer, along with regular movies > > This is probably tue to Avatar, in the next months I'd expect some 3D > stuff. > >> (over 20 total: >> ?how does a $9.00 comic book compete with a $9.00 ticket to a 3-D >> movie? ?To be sure, you can keep and re-read the comic book. >> But for the new "thrill me more" generations, that might be a >> difficult proposition to sell. >> ?3-D Cartoons > > You can ask the same question with a DVD/VHS release: if you buy your > copy you can keep it and watch as many times as you want. > > -- > Nuno J. Silva > _______________________________________________ > http://nafsk.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml > From schulte at teacher.com Sat Feb 20 12:39:07 2010 From: schulte at teacher.com (schulte at teacher.com) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 06:39:07 -0500 Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 84, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC8038724A69AB-1428-102F5@web-mmc-m04.sysops.aol.com> Greetings! I noticed that my last message came through in heavy large type! It is not clear why that is happening! Anyway, yes, I also prefer hand-lettering to the soulless computerized typesetting in the dialogue or narration balloons. And we should keep in mind that an ancient criticism of the idea of the book itself was that it would ruin people's memories and speaking abilities! A book is simply a crutch for a feeble memory! The idea of electronic books will probably not go away: the next few years will show us what the market is for the idea. Will it end up replacing paper books by 2020? At the present price I would say no: and unless you can actually "own" the e-book, and not just "rent" it for a price, I would also see the market preferring the paper book, which one does not rent! Disney could be a market leader here with a kid-friendly e-comic-book: inexpensive, loaded with Duck stories, and a few advertisements here and there! Songs which one downloads are not considered rentals: why should e-books be different? Best Wishes! L. Schulte -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bangfish at cableone.net Mon Feb 22 17:10:22 2010 From: bangfish at cableone.net (Gary Leach) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 09:10:22 -0700 Subject: E-Books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56AEE88B-94AB-4177-9C36-75E96DB9129E@cableone.net> > The idea of electronic books will probably not go away: the next few > years will show us what the market is for the idea. Precisely, Mr. Schulte. And the issue of ownership of e-books will be a critical one. Amazon has already discovered the disaffection that could be created if the "rental" concept is allowed to take hold in this market. And there can be no doubt that comic book readers/ collectors would be especially disgusted by it. Gary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pfr at vestas.com Mon Feb 22 09:18:48 2010 From: pfr at vestas.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Poul_Sp=E6rhage_Fr=F8kj=E6r?=) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 09:18:48 +0100 Subject: Complete Mickey In-Reply-To: <20100219.132005.14549.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: >I realize that this may be a question without a satisfying answer, but does anyone know if there are any copies of the limited edition Complete Floyd Gottfredson Mickey Mouse book (daily strips from 1930 to 1955) still available for sale? I've heard the book used to be carried by a German company called Dreidreizehn's, but they don't offer it anymore. Any information will be greatly appreciated.< I bought my set some 10 years ago directly from the original publisher, Horst Schr?der. At the time it seemed he still had complete sets, though they were 20 years old back then. If you're lucky he might still have a few, but don't expect any discounts just because its an outdated publication ;-). I believe you can reach him through his company Epix (www.epix.se). Good luck! /Poul Frokjar From dve at kabelfoon.nl Mon Feb 22 16:00:17 2010 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (D.M. van Eijmeren) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 16:00:17 +0100 Subject: E-books and e-readers References: Message-ID: L. SCHULTE, 20-02-2010: > Songs which one downloads are not considered rentals: > why should e-books be different? As far as I know, songs are also rentals. By "buying" a song of The Beatles, one will never own it. One only owns the vinyl it is printed on. The same for Disney comics. Buyers only own the paper on which someone else's (Disney's) intellectual property is printed. With digital copies this situation becomes very clear: one only owns the mp3-player or the e-reader. I know two types of e-readers. An e-reader like the i-Pad, with a lighted monitor. And an e-reader with "electronic ink", that has no lighting, which almost looks like ink on paper. I hope the one with the "electronic ink" will win the market for e-reading. Otherwise reading e-comics would be like watching a book on television. Which is tiresome for the eyes. Best wishes, Dani?l From bangfish at cableone.net Tue Feb 23 18:37:45 2010 From: bangfish at cableone.net (Gary Leach) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:37:45 -0700 Subject: E-Books, More About In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6F60AA4C-DF7B-438A-B66A-28C7731C0A48@cableone.net> Daniel: > As far as I know, songs are also rentals. By "buying" a song of The > Beatles, > one will never own it. One only owns the vinyl it is printed on. The > same > for Disney comics. Buyers only own the paper on which someone else's > (Disney's) intellectual property is printed. I don't believe the "rental" idea really applies here. You don't (normally) rent a vinyl record or a printed comic book and then return it after a certain period. You buy and subsequently own that copy--and the key word here is "copy." It's what the entire issue of copyright revolves around. Copying used to mean producing a physical duplicate, on paper or vinyl or tape or what have you. These copies were--as they still are, for the most part--sold, not rented. Sales and rentals are two very distinct commercial transactions with their own rules and regulations and never the twain shall meet. Just because the office chair I'm sitting on was built to a design I had no input into, do not own, and certainly have no right to duplicate, does not mean I don't own the chair. It is precisely the same for a comic book or a vinyl record, inasmuch as these are purchased in sale transactions that establish the purchasers possession in perpetuity of that copy for its intended purpose, i.e. reading or listening. > With digital copies this > situation becomes very clear: one only owns the mp3-player or the e- > reader. I'm not so sure about this myself, but I admit it comes to the point and you may very well be right in terms of how things will ultimately shake out. There is, after all, little to nothing that's distinctly or even definably physical about a digital copy. It's one reason I've been very reluctant to do more than download legit e-book freebies up to this point. If I actually pay money for an e-book, what am I buying and under what terms am I buying it? Or am I indeed just renting, or engaging in some new form of transaction that has yet to be adequately codified? Gary From mouse-ducks at orange.fr Tue Feb 23 11:11:06 2010 From: mouse-ducks at orange.fr (Olivier) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:11:06 +0100 Subject: Complete Mickey In-Reply-To: <20100219.132005.14549.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100219.132005.14549.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <33E494916B0E4CE689E4899C65D6E10A@OBAW21XYQ> Hello ! Jerry: >>>>> I realize that this may be a question without a satisfying answer, but does anyone know if there are >>>>> any copies of the limited edition Complete Floyd Gottfredson Mickey Mouse book (daily strips from >>>>> 1930 to 1955) still available for sale? I've heard the book used to be carried by a German company >>>>> called Dreidreizehn's, but they don't offer it anymore. Any information will be greatly appreciated. I got my set from Galerie Laqua (in 1999) : http://www.galerielaqua.de/seiten_englisch/eframeset.htm They do not have any for sale on their site (though I can't remember exactly, I don't think they had many to start with) but they might have some leads. I remember seeing the set on Dreidreizehn's site later, indeed. Best wishes to all of you, Olivier -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p.miqueu at orange.fr Tue Feb 23 11:13:13 2010 From: p.miqueu at orange.fr (MIQUEU) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:13:13 +0100 Subject: Goofy's ans Mickey's family trees Message-ID: <4B83AA39.4090104@orange.fr> Hi everyone! My name is Adrien Miqueu, I'm 16, I'm French and also keen on Disney comics! I'm new on the list, and I don't know if it's the right place to ask this. I've recently discovered the incredible work on the Duck's genealogy done by Gilles Maurice (a country fellow!) and I ask myself: why not to do this with Goofy or Mickey family? So I began some researches in my own comics collection, and build these trees, (you can have a look at it here: http://duckburg.over-blog.com/#) (I also made a Duck family tree, but rather small compared with Gilles' one). I know that Gilles also made Goofy and Mickey trees, but they've not been made updated for a long time! So I ask everybody here, if you could send me characters of Mickey or Goofy family you've found, it'd be really nice! I'd need a scan an a short description of the relationship between the relative and the main character. Thank you so much! Look forward to receive your answers! Best regards Adrien From tonyleopold at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 18:54:02 2010 From: tonyleopold at gmail.com (Tony Leopold) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:54:02 -0600 Subject: E-Books, More About In-Reply-To: <6F60AA4C-DF7B-438A-B66A-28C7731C0A48@cableone.net> References: <6F60AA4C-DF7B-438A-B66A-28C7731C0A48@cableone.net> Message-ID: I'm not a lawyer and I'm missing the context in which this was written, but I feel that I should point out that this is not true. If you buy an mp3, on amazon.com for example, you own that mp3. You can play it on your computer, put it on all 13 of your mp3 players and even your phone. It is not legal to give copies of it away, of course, but you can use it in the ways I have described above legally. There are certain music subscription services, the Zune Pass, to name one very good such service, where you download mp3s to your player without actually owning the mp3s, but this is clearly a subscription service and is marketed and advertised as such. > >> ?With digital copies this >> situation becomes very clear: one only owns the mp3-player or the >> e-reader. > > From nunojsilva at ist.utl.pt Tue Feb 23 23:44:05 2010 From: nunojsilva at ist.utl.pt (Nuno J. Silva) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 22:44:05 +0000 Subject: E-Books, More About In-Reply-To: <6F60AA4C-DF7B-438A-B66A-28C7731C0A48@cableone.net> (Gary Leach's message of "Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:37:45 -0700") References: <6F60AA4C-DF7B-438A-B66A-28C7731C0A48@cableone.net> Message-ID: <878wajo9my.fsf@monolith.local.lan> Gary Leach writes: > Daniel: > [...] >> With digital copies this >> situation becomes very clear: one only owns the mp3-player or the e- >> reader. > > I'm not so sure about this myself, but I admit it comes to the point > and you may very well be right in terms of how things will ultimately > shake out. There is, after all, little to nothing that's distinctly or > even definably physical about a digital copy. It's one reason I've > been very reluctant to do more than download legit e-book freebies up > to this point. If I actually pay money for an e-book, what am I buying > and under what terms am I buying it? Or am I indeed just renting, or > engaging in some new form of transaction that has yet to be adequately > codified? When you buy a physical book, you get the the right to have a copy forever. Thus, we would expect to own the bits and bytes the same way. And with a physical book you are able to put them over a copier or scanner and get an analog or digital copy of it, even if it is illegal to do so. If you have access to the binary data of an ebook, you can do the same. Some may sell the e-book so that you can see it on your computer, others will only sell it through a specific device (see Amazon kindle). I wonder what are the conditions of the transaction, but as you can see from what Amazon did, things can go wrong. There are publishers pushing for ebooks with DRM[1] and people against that, and new e-reading platforms appearing (and this itself is a growing market). [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management In my opinion, you're right: it still has to be codified, as there are certainly developments and decisions going to happen in the (near?) future. -- Nuno J. Silva gopher://sdf-eu.org/1/users/njsg From bangfish at cableone.net Wed Feb 24 18:15:38 2010 From: bangfish at cableone.net (Gary Leach) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 10:15:38 -0700 Subject: And More About E-Books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0C51B6C8-49BB-4439-9899-0F4B7CACB7BB@cableone.net> This subject has really got my brain in a whirl, so I hope you'll all bear with me. Disclaimer: I'm no lawyer, not in any way, shape or form. Disclosure: My sister is running for the Missouri state legislature. Never saw that coming. But to proceed? Scenario 1: I take my printed collection of Uncle Scrooge comics to a used book seller and the used book seller buys the comics from me and then puts them out in the store for sale (or, these days, offers it on the store web site) and eventually (fingers crossed) sells them. A very ordinary chain of events, and one we're all familiar with and have probably participated in at some point. Scenario 2: I take my collection of Uncle Scrooge e-comics to a used e- book seller. The reason Scenario 2 is so brief is because, to the best of my knowledge, there is no such thing as a used e-book seller. An e-book can be considered used in the sense of having been owned by a previous purchaser, but there's one very big problem with that: unlike with my printed collection of Uncle Scrooges, I'm quite able to retain possession of my "original" e-copies while selling e-copies--exact duplicates of my "originals"--to the supposed used e-book seller. We can talk about owning the bits and bytes of a digital file, and there are very legitimate points to be made about that (I'm for the idea myself, believe me), but let's face it: a printed book is paper, ink, binding, covers, dimensions, weight, mass and content, while a digital file is nothing but content. (A layman will certainly never perceive it as anything else.) In such terms it seems to me that a very legitimate case can be made that a digital file is a violation of copyright by simply existing, at least as anything other than the creator's original file (and I'm not so sure that wouldn't at least technically violate copyright in some way). As the ownership and protection of copyright is what's causing all the fur to fly among all the dogs in the current cat fight over the commercial exploitation of the e-book, these things do concern me quite a bit. To run on a bit further?one can take a printed book and photocopy it, sure, but it's a relatively cumbersome process which offers the copyright owner a certain degree of inherent protection because of that very cumbersomeness. Much the same can be said for OCR scanning, but the end result is?a digital file, substantively no different from any other digital file and therefore solving none of the issues of digital files. A final thought, i.e. a slight digression?I've gotten quite used to reading daily comic strips online. One of the almost miraculous things about the strips is that they are very nice, clean and legible on my screen at a file resolution that's far too low for adequate print reproduction. That's substantial copyright protection right there, at least when it comes to preventing online graphic materials from being pirated in print. Okay, brain less whirly now. Thank you for your patience and attention. Gary From lancelot1953 at msn.com Thu Feb 25 20:33:36 2010 From: lancelot1953 at msn.com (Guy Lapointe) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:33:36 -0500 Subject: More about e-books from Gary In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gary and DCML Community, This is my first answer on this forum so I hope that I follow the right procedure! Disney Productions, at least in the US, along with WMG (the Warner Entertainment Group) have been the most aggressive corporations as far as copyright enforcement goes. Disney was the first one to sue Sony for their release of the Betamax VCR back in the seventies. They also supported aggressively any limiting if not destroying of any devices that can copy analog/digital music or videos (Napster, DVD's, CD & DVD writers (on PC's), Video Recorders, etc... WMG has a team that routinely scans youtube clips and goes after anyone that puts up videos of their products (and they own a lot of them since they have bought the entire Hanna-Barbera library). Instead of using the web to extend their products of classic comics, cartoons, et... to a new generation of kids (and adults) that never experienced them, using this media as free publicity, they spend millions bottling up their possessions for possible future profits. This is sadly hurting them in the long run because it: -Prevents exposure of the younger generation to these films -By the same token, it lowers their sales of the products (in favor of more recent productions) -Creates an adversarial relationship with the public (think of the spectacularly insane lawsuits that the RIAA has conducted against older people, teachers, kids, etc... in the States. -Given enough time, if the newer public is not exposed to these vintage classics, there will be a very small demand for these except for the older generations that grew up with them. I fully agree with your idea though especially since there are many stories that have completely disappeared from circulation. An "e-library" would be a wonderful way to keep like in a museum for free access for future generations to enjoy the works of Carl Barks, Don Rosa, and the other writers/artists who contributed to the history of these Disney characters. Without exposure, there is much less demand for these as tastes of generations change. As a baby boomer, I grew up with Disney characters and many others such as Belgique's or France's Tintin, Spirou, Journal de Mickey,... Unfortunately, my younger children were more what is available on TV nowadays. In any case, I fully support your idea - I would love to get my hands on all the work that was produced on the Disney characters. By the way, the "Journal de Mickey", a large French youth-oriented weekly publication, has been in production since 1934! They have published an unbelievable number of Disney comics stories not only from Mr. Barks and Rosa but also from also from other writers from Italy, France... They are still publishing new stories. It would be so good to have these available again. Sincerely, Guy "Lancelot" From: bangfish at cableone.net To: dcml at nafsk.se Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 10:15:38 -0700 Subject: And More About E-Books This subject has really got my brain in a whirl, so I hope you'll all bear with me. Disclaimer: I'm no lawyer, not in any way, shape or form. Disclosure: My sister is running for the Missouri state legislature. Never saw that coming. But to proceed? Scenario 1: I take my printed collection of Uncle Scrooge comics to a used book seller and the used book seller buys the comics from me and then puts them out in the store for sale (or, these days, offers it on the store web site) and eventually (fingers crossed) sells them. A very ordinary chain of events, and one we're all familiar with and have probably participated in at some point. Scenario 2: I take my collection of Uncle Scrooge e-comics to a used e- book seller. The reason Scenario 2 is so brief is because, to the best of my knowledge, there is no such thing as a used e-book seller. An e-book can be considered used in the sense of having been owned by a previous purchaser, but there's one very big problem with that: unlike with my printed collection of Uncle Scrooges, I'm quite able to retain possession of my "original" e-copies while selling e-copies--exact duplicates of my "originals"--to the supposed used e-book seller. We can talk about owning the bits and bytes of a digital file, and there are very legitimate points to be made about that (I'm for the idea myself, believe me), but let's face it: a printed book is paper, ink, binding, covers, dimensions, weight, mass and content, while a digital file is nothing but content. (A layman will certainly never perceive it as anything else.) In such terms it seems to me that a very legitimate case can be made that a digital file is a violation of copyright by simply existing, at least as anything other than the creator's original file (and I'm not so sure that wouldn't at least technically violate copyright in some way). As the ownership and protection of copyright is what's causing all the fur to fly among all the dogs in the current cat fight over the commercial exploitation of the e-book, these things do concern me quite a bit. To run on a bit further?one can take a printed book and photocopy it, sure, but it's a relatively cumbersome process which offers the copyright owner a certain degree of inherent protection because of that very cumbersomeness. Much the same can be said for OCR scanning, but the end result is?a digital file, substantively no different from any other digital file and therefore solving none of the issues of digital files. A final thought, i.e. a slight digression?I've gotten quite used to reading daily comic strips online. One of the almost miraculous things about the strips is that they are very nice, clean and legible on my screen at a file resolution that's far too low for adequate print reproduction. That's substantial copyright protection right there, at least when it comes to preventing online graphic materials from being pirated in print. Okay, brain less whirly now. Thank you for your patience and attention. Gary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You buy and subsequently own that copy--and > the key word here is "copy." It's what the entire issue of copyright > revolves around. > > Copying used to mean producing a physical duplicate, on paper or vinyl > or tape or what have you. These copies were--as they still are, for > the most part--sold, not rented. Sales and rentals are two very > distinct commercial transactions with their own rules and regulations > and never the twain shall meet. Just because the office chair I'm > sitting on was built to a design I had no input into, do not own, and > certainly have no right to duplicate, does not mean I don't own the > chair. It is precisely the same for a comic book or a vinyl record, > inasmuch as these are purchased in sale transactions that establish > the purchasers possession in perpetuity of that copy for its intended > purpose, i.e. reading or listening. > > > With digital copies this > > situation becomes very clear: one only owns the mp3-player or the e- > > reader. > > I'm not so sure about this myself, but I admit it comes to the point > and you may very well be right in terms of how things will ultimately > shake out. There is, after all, little to nothing that's distinctly or > even definably physical about a digital copy. It's one reason I've > been very reluctant to do more than download legit e-book freebies up > to this point. If I actually pay money for an e-book, what am I buying > and under what terms am I buying it? Or am I indeed just renting, or > engaging in some new form of transaction that has yet to be adequately > codified? > > Gary At the risk of self-promotion, I sell an e-book ("Women's Speaking Justified - the 1666 Classic with Modern English" - http://twurl.nl/pyajjr) and think I might have something to add here (if this has already been said elsewhere and I've missed it, please accept my apologies). If someone buys my e-book, they download a PDF file. The bits and bytes of that PDF file are actually on their computer, and they have the ability to save it to a storage device and perhaps copy it to another device should they so choose. Even if I decided I didn't want you to have my book later, once you've purchased it, I have no ability to delete the file from your computer. My understanding with the way Amazon.com handles Kindle is rather different. Although the bits and bytes of a Kindle book do reside on the Kindle (at least while you're reading it, but I'm not 100% clear on the point of storage when you're not reading it), 1) you cannot save the file to a storage device, let alone copy it to another reader. 2) Should Amazon.com decide that the Kindle book you "bought" is somehow not yours anymore, THEY can remove the file from your Kindle without your prior knowledge, despite you having paid money to get the book. It is this second factor, in particular,that causes people to complain that they are "renting" books they thought that they had "purchased," and it really is a significant difference, the lack of physicality notwithstanding. Hope that helps, Mark Baker-Wright -- Visit my blog, Transforming Seminarian: http://transformingseminarian.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <4B87A67F.6020909@cam.ac.uk> Guy Lapointe wrote: > -Given enough time, if the newer public is not exposed to these vintage classics, there will be a very small demand for these except for the older generations that grew up with them. Guy, you made some really *excellent* points about how counter-productive it can be to defend copyright too aggressively. I am reminded of a 1990s Bill Gates quote about the Chinese pirating M$ Windows: As long as they are going to steal it, we want them to steal ours. They'll get sort of addicted, and then we'll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade. -- Frank Stajano http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/fms27/ From p.miqueu at orange.fr Sat Feb 27 08:56:45 2010 From: p.miqueu at orange.fr (MIQUEU) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 08:56:45 +0100 Subject: Goofy family tree Message-ID: <4B88D03D.1090905@orange.fr> Hi everyone! I made some researches on INDUCKS about goofy's relatives. I found a large bunch of chararcters that I don't have in my collection. So I ask you, if it's possible, to check in your collection if you have the following issues: *Relative?s name* *Story code* Uncle Fiasco B75203 / S65015 Uncle Nicolino B760205 Uncle Grubley B770063 Uncle Wombat YM 127 Uncle Dizzy D97075 / ZM 37-11-14 Uncle Pateco S72080 Uncle Twitch ZM 50-03-19 Uncle Firthwell ZM 53-08-09 Uncle Tat ZM 57-08-09 Uncle Mark T. McGoof WDG55-03 Uncle ? W MM 47-05 Uncle ? W MM 58-02 Uncle Tom S 81175 Grand-uncle Silas D 2006-015 Grand-uncle Goofini D 2002-127 Aunt Hattie W MM 143-01 Ancestor Dingobert ? F JM 012277 Great-grand uncle ? D 2002-174 It would be very nice to send me a scan and a description of the characters (the way how he's related to Goofy) I also put in the same tree Clarabelle and Horace's families, so if you find something about them, tell me! Thank you very much! Last thing: about the Mickey family tree, I need the original (italian) name of Mickey's grandfather in "?/Topolino, imperatore della Calidornia/? (I TL 274-AP) by Romano Scarpa. Is it Tony Toponi? I especially need his family name. By the way, I have entirely re-worked my Mickey family tree, so you can have a look at it: http://duckburg.over-blog.com/article-mickey-s-family-tree-updated-45654494.html Thank you! Regards Adrien From p.miqueu at orange.fr Sat Feb 27 11:37:09 2010 From: p.miqueu at orange.fr (MIQUEU) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 11:37:09 +0100 Subject: Griifding: a cousin of Goofy? Message-ID: <4B88F5D5.5060703@orange.fr> Hi! I've found a story (I TL 2411-4) http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=I+TL+2411-4 where appears a character called Griffding in french, Griffpipp in Italian (I think it would be Griffgoof in english). He looks like goofy very much, but he is a bit different (clothes, mind...), he seems to be a scientist. So I wonder: could it be a cousin of Goofy? Mickey himself knows him and call him Griffding (or Griffgoof). Could anyone tell me his opinion about the question? I have to know if I include him in my Goofy family tree or not. Thank you very much! Adrien From schulte at teacher.com Sat Feb 27 13:38:12 2010 From: schulte at teacher.com (schulte at teacher.com) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 07:38:12 -0500 Subject: E-Comic-Books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC85C0DC398439-27E8-11255@web-mmc-d01.sysops.aol.com> Many thanks to Gary Leach and all the others who have explained the ins, outs, ups, and downs of copyright laws, etc. for the future of electronic publishing! It still remains to be seen whether the companies will hold on to the post-sale status of their products so tightly that they limit the sales of their products! Psychologically, when a person pays money for a product, they want to feel that the company is no longer hanging around them to tell them what they can or cannot do with it. It also remains to be seen whether e-books/e-comic books are a viable product. I would think yes, but who knows? Whatever happens, I still think comic books, and particularly Disney Comics in the tradition of Barks and Rosa, (and others e.g. William Van Horn, Pat Block, et al.) are an important gateway to future literacy for children. The optimistic cultural values of the Disney tradition (e.g. diligence, faithfulness, persistence, curiosity, ambition, courage), devoid of the dark gruesomeness found in the super-hero/super-villain genre, need to be continued. Best Wishes! L. Schulte -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nunojsilva at ist.utl.pt Sat Feb 27 15:45:24 2010 From: nunojsilva at ist.utl.pt (Nuno J. Silva) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 14:45:24 +0000 Subject: E-Books, More About In-Reply-To: (Mark Baker-Wright's message of "Wed, 24 Feb 2010 08:53:16 -0800") References: Message-ID: <87y6iepwjf.fsf@monolith.local.lan> Mark Baker-Wright writes: > If someone buys my e-book, they download a PDF file. The bits and bytes of > that PDF file are actually on their computer, and they have the ability to > save it to a storage device and perhaps copy it to another device should > they so choose. Even if I decided I didn't want you to have my book later, > once you've purchased it, I have no ability to delete the file from your > computer. > > My understanding with the way Amazon.com handles Kindle is rather > different. Although the bits and bytes of a Kindle book do reside on the > Kindle (at least while you're reading it, but I'm not 100% clear on the > point of storage when you're not reading it), 1) you cannot save the file to > a storage device, let alone copy it to another reader. 2) Should Amazon.com > decide that the Kindle book you "bought" is somehow not yours anymore, THEY > can remove the file from your Kindle without your prior knowledge, despite > you having paid money to get the book. It is this second factor, in > particular,that causes people to complain that they are "renting" books they > thought that they had "purchased," and it really is a significant > difference, the lack of physicality notwithstanding. But Amazon itself says "Upon your payment of the applicable fees set by Amazon, Amazon grants you the non-exclusive right to keep a permanent copy of the applicable Digital Content(...)"[1], the keyword being *permanent*. I suppose this mean they should have not deleted the books. [1] http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=200399690 (Point 3 (Digital Content), Use of Digital Content.) Even if they are not allowed to remove the content by the terms of service, the only way to be sure they won't do that is controlling your copy of the book. And that doesn't happen when you must use their device to read and keep the books. -- Nuno J. Silva gopher://sdf-eu.org/1/users/njsg From p.miqueu at orange.fr Sat Feb 27 16:59:47 2010 From: p.miqueu at orange.fr (MIQUEU) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 16:59:47 +0100 Subject: Mickey family tree Message-ID: <4B894173.3090009@orange.fr> Hi! I've made another list of characters that I don't have, for Mickey's family now! Again, if someone has one of these story in his collection, tell me! Relatives Story code Uncle Gudger YM 136 / I AT 53-A Uncle ? D 5686 Uncle ? D7098 Uncle ? S 68131 Uncle Thaddeus D 2004-235 Uncle Jeremy I TL 2345-1 Uncle silas S 69160 MI?s uncle Dubleuf ? S 63036 Uncle ? S 84129 Uncle Fuddy W MM 123-01 Uncle ? W OS 401-03 Uncle Monty ? W OS 1039-03 Uncle Milty W OS 1143-02 Uncle Barnaby ZM 54-07-18 MI?s aunt Petunia D 2004-107 Aunt Jemima D 92491 MI?s aunt D 96252 Aunt Agatha W MM 99-06 Aunt Marissa YM 077 Aunt Minerva YM 45-07-21 Aunt ? ZM 32-07-03 Various ancestors S 87002 Mickey?s ancestor U MMW 642 Mickey?s ancestor D 2006-046 Mickey?s great-grandfather S 72423 From p.miqueu at orange.fr Sat Feb 27 16:59:47 2010 From: p.miqueu at orange.fr (MIQUEU) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 16:59:47 +0100 Subject: Mickey family tree Message-ID: <4B894173.3090009@orange.fr> Hi! I've made another list of characters that I don't have, for Mickey's family now! Again, if someone has one of these story in his collection, tell me! Relatives Story code Uncle Gudger YM 136 / I AT 53-A Uncle ? D 5686 Uncle ? D7098 Uncle ? S 68131 Uncle Thaddeus D 2004-235 Uncle Jeremy I TL 2345-1 Uncle silas S 69160 MI?s uncle Dubleuf ? S 63036 Uncle ? S 84129 Uncle Fuddy W MM 123-01 Uncle ? W OS 401-03 Uncle Monty ? W OS 1039-03 Uncle Milty W OS 1143-02 Uncle Barnaby ZM 54-07-18 MI?s aunt Petunia D 2004-107 Aunt Jemima D 92491 MI?s aunt D 96252 Aunt Agatha W MM 99-06 Aunt Marissa YM 077 Aunt Minerva YM 45-07-21 Aunt ? ZM 32-07-03 Various ancestors S 87002 Mickey?s ancestor U MMW 642 Mickey?s ancestor D 2006-046 Mickey?s great-grandfather S 72423 From jerryblake2 at juno.com Sun Feb 28 00:56:08 2010 From: jerryblake2 at juno.com (jerryblake2 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 23:56:08 GMT Subject: Thank you Message-ID: <20100227.185608.9604.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com> I just want to thank all the DCML members who have provided answers to my query about the Complete Mickey Mouse collection. ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=Dfq6grICltFBih8bOFYsewAAJ1CJbg1rPWgPNHWlrp36zQFoAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= From spe at inducks.org Sun Feb 28 23:43:10 2010 From: spe at inducks.org (Stefan Persson) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 23:43:10 +0100 Subject: E-Books, More About In-Reply-To: <87y6iepwjf.fsf@monolith.local.lan> References: <87y6iepwjf.fsf@monolith.local.lan> Message-ID: <4B8AF17E.3070807@inducks.org> On 2010-02-27 15:45, Nuno J. Silva wrote: > Even if they are not allowed to remove the content by the terms of > service, the only way to be sure they won't do that is controlling your > copy of the book. And that doesn't happen when you must use their device > to read and keep the books. That is easily solved: just move some place inhabited by absolutely no one apart from yourself, and you can be certain that no phone/Internet connections will work. And without those connections, Amazon can't do you any harm. :-) Stefan From fms27 at cam.ac.uk Sun Feb 28 23:48:42 2010 From: fms27 at cam.ac.uk (Frank Stajano) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 23:48:42 +0100 Subject: E-Books, More About In-Reply-To: <4B8AF17E.3070807@inducks.org> References: <87y6iepwjf.fsf@monolith.local.lan> <4B8AF17E.3070807@inducks.org> Message-ID: <4B8AF2CA.3090506@cam.ac.uk> Stefan Persson wrote: > On 2010-02-27 15:45, Nuno J. Silva wrote: >> Even if they are not allowed to remove the content by the terms of >> service, the only way to be sure they won't do that is controlling your >> copy of the book. And that doesn't happen when you must use their device >> to read and keep the books. > > That is easily solved: just move some place inhabited by absolutely no > one apart from yourself, and you can be certain that no phone/Internet > connections will work. And without those connections, Amazon can't do > you any harm. :-) Why? There is no reason in principle why they couldn't make a reader that stops working altogether *unless* it's allowed to "phone home" every month or so to download a revocation/censorship list... -- Frank Stajano http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/fms27/