Disney-comics digest #729.
Larry Gerstein
gerstein at math.ucsb.edu
Wed Sep 6 23:50:41 CEST 1995
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Contents of digest #729:
Larry P. Carter Unsubscribe
Bob Wright Disney-comics digest #726.
Mikko Aittola Weasel and Lustig
Mikko Aittola Re: Rosa-Grandey Settlement Statement
Mike Rhode Patrick Bloch
Anders Engwall The worst of Barks? (was: Defending Venus...)
Arthur de Wolf What's going on?
Mike Pohjola Re: Disney-comics digest #728.
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Date: 19 Jul 1995 17:49:59 GMT
From: Larry_P._Carter at topkids.com (Larry P. Carter)
Subject: Unsubscribe
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 00:20:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: Bob Wright <ARCHIMEDES at delphi.com>
Subject: Disney-comics digest #726.
On 17-JUL-1995 19:37:14.0 disney-comics said to ARCHIMEDES
DANIEL: Thanks for the pointer to the changed panel in the Marco Polo
story. I noticed it remained original in US 134 dated 11/76.
>Reading "Marco Polo" makes me ask how that story even got published
>back in 1966 and 1976. This story is like watching news about war on
>televsion... how did this story got past Western's desk?
I thought the story was quite humorous when it was first printed in
'66, especially the line about "watches from the workers' paradise". As I
recall, the story was similar to a lot of satire being published about the
war at the time by the liberal press. Perhaps it wasn't all that
conspicuous and got by the editor's desk smoothly.
{ Bob Wright }
{ archimedes at delphi.com }
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 12:35:22 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Mikko Henri Juhani Aittola <maittola at snakemail.hut.fi>
Subject: Weasel and Lustig
Hey I just HAVE TO write this reply, cause I THINK that
John Lustig is way out of line on this one. Even I see
the things very differently and have first person experiment
how weasel the 'weasel' really is. I must also include little
quotes:
Lustig wrotes:
> I won't deny that I was very angry about some of the things I read in the
> archives. I was angry about the things written about me. And I was especially
> angry about the things written about people who are my friends and whom I
> respect--among them Bill Grandey, William Van Horn and Carl Barks.
Written by who? Rosa?
Don has written 'bad things' about Grandey. (And my opinion
is that he has had a real reason for this.)
I don't recall Don saying anything negative against WVH or CB.
Why are you bringing those two to this. The two persons
involved are Grandey and Rosa.
Rosa has always praised WVH's stories, his ability to draw, his use
of brush (instead of pen), his ability to have more traditional
approach to the stories, and whatever.
And as for CB. I think everybody on this list knows what Barks
means to Rosa. We know about his feelings after CB rejected to
meet Rosa, but he has never written 'bad things' about Barks.
I think, John Lustig, you have misunderstood.
> The things that were said about Barks particularly horrified me.
Who said what? Rosa? I get an expression from this that Rosa
has said things about Barks that horrify you.
1) What are those things?
2) If you mean somebody other that Rosa, why you bring
it up with Grandey-Rosa lawsuit?
> Most of the
> members of this list have never met Barks--and yet various people expressed
> very forceful and elaborate opinions about what kind of person Barks is and
> came up with some very sinister and far-fetched theories about his behavior.
What are these theories? I don't recall. You MUST have misunderstood.
If you have found those theories from the archives post those here
again, and THEN we can have a discussion.
> To some extent I can understand this. For the most part, you folks have only
> heard one side of this entire controversy. What else were you to think?
Hey, this list is not the only basis of our information.
Basicly it went like this:
Grandey attacked against Rosa in PUBLIC, and then Rosa
defended (because WE ASKED HIM what the hell was going on)
himself here.
And, oh yeah, Grandey REALLY attacked Rosa in public, and
also HERE IN FINLAND.
> So, I thought about writing into the list and giving the other side. The
> problem, though, was that many of the most inflammatory statements were made
> almost two years before I joined the list. To object now and deal with them
> in detail would only stir things up again and bring more attention to them.
> So I decided to say nothing--for the time at least.
Bullshit. You have just here wroted a big article claiming about
the things you have read from the archives without mentioning
what those things are. What kind of objective approach is that?
> And I think it's probably best not to get into the specifics of those past
> missives now.
I disagree, cause I think you have misunderstood something in
a BIG way. I think it's better to clear it up. It's better
for all of us.
> Saying that you dislike someone's story is fine. But to say horrible things
> about someone--purely on the basis of hearsay--that is unfair. Attacking
> someone who is not on this list to defend himself is even worse.
What are those 'horrible things'?
Who has attacked? Maybe there is a reason for an attack?
What about attacking someone in Scandinavia in Finnish language,
when the target is in America. I guess Grandey didn't understand
the power of internet. He thought he could say anything about
anybody here in scandinavia.
> I find it particularly contemptible to go after Barks. This man who has given
> us decades of wonderful characters and comics surely deserves an honored
> place here. From all accounts--except the ones posted on this list--Barks has
> gone out of his way over the years not to unnecessarily offend people. He is
> reclusive, but whenever he's been prodded out of his shell he's usually been
> gracious to fans and both helpful and encouraging to other professionals.
That is axactly what Don Rosa has said in past. He didn't do the
'Grandey thing'.
Remember when I told you that Grandey attacked Rosa here in Finland?
I try to explain the situation here also:
Barks gave an interview to one Finnish magazine. I'm not
sure but I think both Grandey and Kathy Bates were present
during the interview. The interviewer asked about things
about Rosa. Barks didn't want to talk about it. BUT, after
the interview, the interviewer got lots of 'material' from
Grandey. The pre-written material was then added to the interview.
Altought Barks didn't want to say anything about Rosa he kinda
said because of Garndey. What kind of manager is that?
Well, I call him 'weasel'.
> The fact that Barks and one other professional do not like each other and are
> feuding should not be the concern of fans. And even if it is there's no
> reason that you have to take sides.
What. Are. You. Saying? This. Isn't. The. U..S..S..R.
I guess we have some freedoms...
> The lawsuits and the controversies that surround them have already caused
> Barks and others a great deal of anxiety and pain. I think it's a damn shame
> that a man in his 90's has to spend his last years dealing with something
> like this.
So why did Grandey start all this? Maybe he gets Barks money after
Barks is gone? I think, basicly, Grandey uses Barks OR if Barks
is aware of what Grandey is doing, then he ain't the kind of
guy he wants to show us.
If you are over 90 that doesn't mean that you can attack the other
people without experimenting some defense. And my opinion is:
The real attacker was (is?) Grandey not Barks.
And certainly NOT Mr. Don Rosa.
/Mikko
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> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 19:42:00 -0400
> From: JALustig at aol.com
> Subject: Rosa-Grandey Settlement Statement
>
> As I mentioned in another posting, I'm placing this on the mailing list at
> the request of Bill Grandey of the Carl Barks Studio:
>
> JOINT STATEMENT OF SETTLEMENT
>
> JULY 6, 1995
>
> This joint statement of settlement is made by and between Don Rosa ("Rosa")
> and William R. Grandey ("Grandey") (collectively the "Parties") as of the
> above date, and is being made and issued to inform all interested persons
> that they have resolved their differences.
>------
> 3. The Parties also acknowledge and agree that Rosa's "Scrooge History"
> is his own work and was done neither in collaboration with nor with the
> endorsement of Mr. Carl Barks.
So...first you give your approval for the series and then you
start a campaign against it? Rosa gave a clear chance for Barks
to object to the contents of this series. Barks objected and Rosa
made the changes. Then after Rosa has made a series and was not
able to change it anymore - already published - then Grandey
started a campaign against the series...
And that campaign was also going on here in Finland.
Yep, call him weasel.
/Mikko
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 14:27:43 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Mikko Henri Juhani Aittola <maittola at snakemail.hut.fi>
To: Knut Hunstad <Knut.Hunstad at veg.sintef.no>
Cc: disney-comics at minsk.docs.uu.se
Subject: Re: Rosa-Grandey Settlement Statement
This is a reply to Knut Hunstad post:
I don't agree. I think John Lustig's move was against all of us.
When he posts that we have made theories about what kind of man
Barks is WITHOUT telling who has made the theories and what are
the theories. He forgot to mention WHO, WHAT, WHEN and WHERE.
He kinda made me feel quilty and I don't even know what I have done...
In my post I made it quite clear that I was responsing to John
Lustig's post and his post was 'distributed' through disney-comics
mailing list and therefore I replied through that list.
I sure as hell didn't bring the subject up again, but when you
start an attack you have to be ready for defence...
/Mikko
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 95 08:45:50 EST
From: RHODE at email.afip.osd.mil
Subject: Patrick Bloch
Someone (sorry) asked who Patrick Bloch is. He's a new American
Disney artist who draws much in the style of Barks. The current
Donald Duck Adventures is by him and a very nice job. He even used
the Alex Raymond style for "human" characters in that story.
I've also met him and his wife (who colors for him) at a signing at
Dreaming City in Arlington VA (which should still have some signed
copies of his first book - the DDA from last fall with Donald on a
burro cover). Very nice guy. Acknowledges that Barks is his major
influence. Since last fall I saw the pencils for the story that came
out yesterday, I think he's getting yanked around a bit in his
publishing schedule. In conclusion, I think he's an up and coming
talent and you could do worse than begin following him now.
Mike Rhode
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 95 16:20:00 +0200
From: Anders.Engwall at eua.ericsson.se (Anders Engwall)
Subject: The worst of Barks? (was: Defending Venus...)
> I just wanted to say that I don't agree on the "Interplanetary postman"
> beeing Barks' worst story! I think it's quite funny. Admittedly it's quite
> negligant of simple economics, but that wouldn't be the first time...
>
> Can't really say what my candidate for the title would be (never really
> thought about it), but I'll keep it in mind...
Interesting question, this. Among the 10-pagers one of my candidates
would have to be 'Billions to Sneeze At' (WDC 124). Sort of surprising,
because this is from the classic period when Barks supposedly could do
no wrong... I find this one to be surprisingly dull and, well, heartless.
Possibly the Danish/Swedish publishers thought the same, because after
its initial run here back in 1951 it wasn't reprinted until 1990. Normally
the time period between reprints is about 20 years -- this one waited twice
as long.
As for longer stories, the worst one I can think of right now is 'Billion
Dollar Safari' (US 54). Less surprising, I suppose.
But all this is off the top of my head, I haven't really thought *that*
much about it...
Anders Engwall
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"N{r atombomben kommer, l}t oss ta en kasse |l
och g} ut i skogen med tills det blir fred"
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 95 22:18:38 PDT
From: Arthur de Wolf <wolfman at pi.net>
Subject: What's going on?
Hi everyone,
There're some things I'd like to know. I'm currently collecting six
bimonthly comics by Gladstone. They're called:
Walt Disney's Comics and Stories
Donald Duck
Donald Duck Adventures
Uncle Scrooge
Uncle Scrooge Adventures
Donald and Mickey
As I'm reading the messages on this newsgroup, I'm getting the feeling
that there're going to be some serious changes at Gladstone.
First of all, I got #1 issue if Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse last time.
So that would mean that the Donald and Mickey comic has stopped!
Yesterday, I got Donald Duck Adventures #34. It was printed on this
'recycled looking' paper (like DD&MM). Why is this? I haven't got any
new issues of the other four comics, but are they going to change too?
It's not only the paper that has changed. I also noticed that there
isn't a 'letters page' (like the MAIL BIN and the ADVENTURE'S LOG)
anymore. Also the price sunk from $1.95/$2.50 to $1.50/$2.10
Why are all these changes going on? And what about the other comics.
Are there any new comics being published by Gladstone?
What about this "Walt Disney Giant", that you're all talking about?
Is it a new serie, that is being published every 2 months?
I heard that it's not going very well with Gladstone, because Disney
comics aren't very popular in the States anymore. I don't know if this
is true, but does it have anything to do with all of the things
I mentioned here?
I'm from Holland, you know. And I'm not quite aware of all these
things happening in the States, so I hope someone can tell me
more about it.
--Art.
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 00:07:00 +0300
From: mikep at freenet.hut.fi (Mike Pohjola)
Subject: Re: Disney-comics digest #728.
LUCKY:
>written by Taliaferro in the early 1930's. Can someone tell me when did
>Carl Barks start drawing DD? And when he stopoped? The strip was unfinnished;
Of course it was unfinnished! The magazine was after all, in English!-)
Carl Barks begun drawing Donald Duck comics at 1942. Before that he had
been working as an animator and his first known picture of Donald was a scetch
of a movie poster: "Desert Prospectors", a film that was never published. His
first Donald comic was "Gold of the Pirates" (or something like that). His
last Disney comic was made in 1967 though I'm not exactly certain what it was.
Before (?) he started drawing for Disney, he had made some nice cartoons with
Barney the Bear and Benny the Donkey.
--
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
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