SV: Language! Narf!

[Sigvald Grøsfjeld jr.]

Olaf Solstrand <olaf at andebyonline.com> wrote:

> First, about Serbo-Croatian versus Jugoslavian:
> As this is NAMES, that can vary from country to
> country and not only from language to language
> (as Brazilian names may differ a little from
> Portuguese names and so on), I don't see any
> wrong in showing NATIONALITY instead of
> LANGUAGE here, and writing "Jugoslav" instead
> of "Serbo-Croatian".

Well, I like things to be correct.

> Besides: How many 10-year-olds in 1976 knew the
> term "Serbo-Croatian"?

I don't know, but I do know taht they would have learned it if that word had
been used in "Jeg, Mikke Mus" together with an explanation that it was the
language spoken in Jugoslavia.

Or do you think they also could have written "Sovjetisk" in stead of
"Russisk"?


> ....but that is why this list was printed.

Even though that list was printed to show that Disney comics is printed
around the world I don't see that as any excuse for leaving out the Swedish
names in the Norwegian book, and the other way around in the Swedish book.


> And I have no idea why you show "Spanish" in
> quotation marks over here

Just a mistake from me - sorry!


>> You seem to forget that I was 10-12 years old
>> at the time I first got "Jeg, Mikke Mus", by
>> then I was very interested to know the Swedish
>> names, but I didn't have the internet to help
>> me...
>
> I knew kids that also were interested in
> knowing this - and they got their answers by
> sending mail (plain old paper-mail) to Donald
> Duck & Co.

Bah!!! I once mailed Anders And & Co in order to get a Danish name for one
of Don Rosa's stories - I have never got any answer!

Besides I don't see that as any excuse for leaving out the Swedish names in
the Norwegian book, and the other way around in the Swedish book.


> I sincerely doubt that Italians and Americans
> were feeling that something was missing because
> there was no Swedish names in their "Io
> Topolino" books.

So what? I was concerning about Scandinavian children here, not Italians,
Americans or any other non-Scandinavians.


> 2) I haven't given you any reason to assume I
> support the attitudes behind that second
> translation.
>
> Oh - does that mean Stefan and Christina DID
> give you a reason to assume they support the
> attitudes behind leaving out Swedish names in
> a Norwegian book?

Ecactly - tehy did show the same entusiasm for "exotic" languages as I guess
the editors of "Jeg, Mikke Mus" did.


> And, concidering this was a discussion about
> Chinese names, should people have told Rich
> "shut up, we're not interested"?

No, that was why I ended my posting by saying that they could continue their
debate as I can help myself by now via the Internet. My whole intention of
that posting was to tell everbod about my opinions about the missing Swedish
names in "Jeg, Mikke Mus".


> 3) In my posting I din't ask anyone to
> apologize for the missing languages in
> "Jeg, Mikke Mus".
>
> No, but you certainly blamed all Swedes for
> this.

That was just a stupid joke in order to get attention.


> I was *not* calling oher languages "rubble"
> - I was adressing strange alphabets and signs
> *only* as rubble.
>
> 1) That did NOT show from your first post - it
> seemed obvious that you were refering to the
> languages themselves.

OK, I am sorry for that!


> 2) How is that better? You insulted all the
> users of a set of signs. How would you react
> if someone called the latin alphabet "rubble"?

Asuming we are talking about an educated adult person here, I guess I would
would think the same as as if someone appeard to be total unfamiliar with
other international standards as: the metric system, the Celsius temperature
scale, the Gregorian calendar, the Arabic siphres*, etc. I would would have
wondered how that person could have missed such important knowledge. yes I
know Americans and the British are using inches, feet, Fahreheit, etc., but
they still know about the other standards.

* the siphres 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 and 9 as written in wester'n style.

Sigvald :-)