From info at klartekst.no Mon Sep 1 01:01:33 2003 From: info at klartekst.no (Klartekst) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 01:01:33 +0200 Subject: Useless Trivia Message-ID: <002f01c37013$d493c750$8119fea9@klartekst> In an attempt to win the prize for this week's most useless piece of information, I submit the following: In 'Heavy Traffic* (D99295) there is a splash panel where we can see 373 cars, vans, buses and trucks. I sure hope Vicar got a higher page rate for this story. Nils from Norway -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030901/b85ab02f/attachment.html From dve at kabelfoon.nl Mon Sep 1 01:30:59 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 01:30:59 +0200 Subject: About Pigs and Terries and Fermies Message-ID: <20030831231439.0150519FE8F@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> SIGVALD GROSFJELD, 01-09-2003: > AFAIK Barks intended [the Terries and Fermies] to be colored with > one color only, and that would be with the color of the surrounding > rocks [...] why else would our Duckburgian friends mistake them for > being rocks? Barks's answer seems to be surprisingly simple. In a 1980s idea sketch "Which Disney Themepark Is This?" (one out of three), the underground pillars and structures *also* are coloured. In a glowing green, lightbrown, and purple. http://www.seriesam.com/barks/art_dpr.html#artdpr029 According to the nephews in "Land Beneath the Ground", the scene has some kind of phosphorous light. So, that seems to be a reason for the colours - apart from giving more colour variation to the art. But I believe that in reality, underground caves can be very colourful, too. Or am I misguided by false electronic lights, added to make a pretty picture? The Ducktales story-adaption "Earth Quack" also shows coloured Terries and Fermies. I don't know about the rock structures. The idea sketches resulted in the 1985 painting "In Uncle Walt's Collectery", *without* any Terries or Fermies. http://www.seriesam.com/barks/art_dp1980.html#artdp85u01 "Far, Far Down Beneath The Ground", a Barks 1996/1997 colour pencil for the (IMO) underestimated "Barks Treasury" collection, contains a green Fermy, and blue, brown, red, purple coloured pillars, as you can see over here: http://www.seriesam.com/barks/bt0020.jpg Has Barks really NEVER EVER used "Land Beneath the Ground" in a painting? Didn't anyone ask him to make one? The story seems to be almost everyone's favourite! And I'm beginning to get fond of it, too. Despite the cuts... --- Dani?l - "And being PIGS must not be too bad, eh boys?" - "Squee! Squee!" (Which Barks story?) :-) From DGE at ECN.egmont.com Mon Sep 1 02:08:02 2003 From: DGE at ECN.egmont.com (Gerstein, David DK - ECN) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 02:08:02 +0200 Subject: Pigs is Pigs... oy vey! Message-ID: <9160C3BDF7D0CB43A73E11CCF133D21D0179A2C8@cphegtd1-xch01.egt.egmont.com> Hey, Sigvald... >Well I can tell you that some cultures have a much more serious view >on this matter than that. I am thinking about both Moslems and Jews >who sees pigs as unclean animals whose meat should not be eaten. >It will thus be interesting if anyone here can tell us about whether >pig-characters do appear in Arab and/or Hebrew Disney publications, >or if they are censored in any of those publications. I can answer here. Firstly, I'm a Jew, and secondly, I've also helped an Arab friend of mine, Jehan Zetawi (you out there, Jehan?), in his extensive research on this *exact* subject. Interesting, indeed... I'm not sure about in the old days; but today's Hebrew Disney comics do show pigfaced characters appearing in Duckburg and Mouseton. I think of Hydro Felbius in my dad's old Gyro story, "Rain-Dance Reversal" (D 96216); he was really meant as a hippo, but was colored as a pig in many editions of the story, and Israel went right ahead and showed him. Meanwhile, the Arab use of pig characters varies with the country, as Jehan's research found. Publishers in Egypt, which Jehan saw as comparatively liberal, let a pig stay a pig. But in Gulf countries such as Kuwait, where the editors were more conservative, Jehan found McSwine redrawn with a dog's nose and other pigfaces becoming unspecified creatures (still rather piglike, but with nostrils removed from their snouts). David From dve at kabelfoon.nl Mon Sep 1 05:02:42 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 05:02:42 +0200 Subject: Disney Witches revisited Message-ID: <20030901024626.46FFA19FCA6@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> DAVID GERSTEIN to me, 30-08-2003: >> Does Granny de Spell appear in those stories in which Magica and >> Madam Mim live together in a castle? > Yep. I like these stories, too, just for their basic flavor. You've > got this whole crazy crew: frazzled Magica, exuberant Mim, nerdy > Samson Hex, world-weary Granny, bad seed Witch Child and pesky Warlock, > the two comedy ravens Ed and Al, even Mim's sneaky leprechaun uncle > and this dragon named Alexander, down in the basement, whom we never > actually see... I don't remember all the characters you mention, but "frazzled Magica" and "world-weary Granny" are exactly the terms I've been searching for, to describe these (I'm told) Jim Fletcher stories. > Only trouble with all of this is that a lot of the potential is never > fulfilled. Stories ramble on like disjointed vaudeville sketches, > reaching page five (of eight!) before someone says "Hey, weren't we > getting together to cast a spell on Scrooge?" And this is the first time > in the story that anyone has mentioned Scrooge, or anything like a real > plot. Holy pacing problems, Batman! I love the way you decribe this!!! :-) Maybe the castle can be seen as some kind of funny farm for witches/sorcerers? It's been a some time since I've last read the stories, and I don't know if I've only seen the highlights, but from time to time I just like to read a relaxing story which just rambles on. And these zany, wacky, directionless castle-stories are very charming for me, that way. > There's also the fact that very little of the original Magica or Mim > survives. Magica's frustration is there; so is Mim's libido, but other > aspects of their personalities are rarely shown. Scrooge's dime is, > unfortunately, a lucky dime in these stories, and Magica's plans for it > are never consistent. I don't mind about this all. I like such variation in Disney comics! Model-sheet oriented stories can become rather stale after a while (IMO), as if they are all made on the same assembly line. Sometimes I find it nice when the model-sheet is ignored. It gives a chance to explore new directions. --- Dani?l From dve at kabelfoon.nl Mon Sep 1 06:13:24 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 06:13:24 +0200 Subject: Olaf\'s foreword (OT) Message-ID: <20030901035700.9F48FBE669@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> OLAF SOLSTRAND "THE BLUE" to SIGVALD GROSFJELD, 30-08-2003: > (and if anyone REALLY want to see a photo of me, they can just type my > name in Google, like Dani?l did.) Or they can just follow this link: http://www.andebyonline.com/olaf On Windows-computers, right-clicking on the picture will make a menu appear. Choose "set as wallpaper", and then watch your computer get a "Blue-screen". :-) --- Dani?l From dve at kabelfoon.nl Mon Sep 1 06:39:03 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 06:39:03 +0200 Subject: Sands of Time (OT) Message-ID: <20030901042240.9B7BF19FCC7@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> KRITON KYRIMIS to me, 30-08-2003: > you won't believe how far into the future I had to go, until Disney > finally failed to get yet another copyright extension. The problem > now is that, according to my lawyer, I can only make copies of that > [Gottfredson] edition starting from the date that Disney's Copyright > will finally expire, so I'm afraid that you'll have to wait for a bit. > A very *long* bit... Just think of all the media attention you'll get by being put into jail for 20 years, because of unleashing the good works of Floyd Gottfredson! Just think about it! It's for the good cause. And I'm sure that our icon Cord would be proud of you. --- Dani?l From cord at wiljes.de Mon Sep 1 08:33:04 2003 From: cord at wiljes.de (Cord Wiljes) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 08:33:04 +0200 Subject: AW: Sands of Time (OT) In-Reply-To: <20030901042240.9B7BF19FCC7@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Message-ID: <000801c37052$e6c671e0$0101a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> Hi all: The strangest thing happened to me: Just when I wanted to travel back in time suddenly I fainted, probably due to the overwhelming importance of my mission and the overwhelming emptiness of my stomach caused by my hour-long hunger strike. I awoke in a city I could not have imagined in my wildest fantasies: Buildings moved like rubber. People had separate body parts. All sense of perspective was distorted. I fled in terror from this world I never made. Alas while fleeing I noticed a building which promised a safe haven: A comics shop. I entered the front door and was immediately struck by what I saw: In the middle of the room there stood an great pile of books in slipcases: Several dozen copies of 4 different slipcases with three books each. They had the same format as the b/w Cark Barks library bout were bound sideways. And they contained the whole uncensored body of Floyd Gottfredson's Mickey Mouse strips in crystal-clear print. Realizing that I probably had traveled to the future I decided I could call off my mission because it already had been successful. The joy was too much so I lost consciousness again. While falling to the floor I unsuccessfully tried to to grasp some solid object but only caught some paper. When I got to my senses I was back home. Was it real? Was it a dream? And how could I explain the piece of paper still clutched between my fingers which read: "Comics Journal August 2023: "Comics' hero Kriton Kyrimis finally released after spending his 20 year sentence for fighting the good fight. He was greeted by fellow hero Daniel van Eijmeren, who has been on a 4-hour-in-a-row hunger strike for 20 years, and Kurt Wiltjes who got famous by sitting on the world's shortest flag pole." Wonders never cease. Cord P.S.: Sorry for the confusion my automated farewell mail may have caused. I awoke too late to keep it from being sent. From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Mon Sep 1 11:46:37 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 11:46:37 +0200 Subject: The Unsafe Safe (US 38) / Rug Riders in the Sky (US 50) References: <20030831182540.A8E391A0151@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Message-ID: <002701c3706d$f05738a0$8bf0fdc1@computer> Dani?l: >>> I think the sudden, zany ending is part of the fun in a lot of Barks's >>> stories with Magica. She seems to try to be impressive, but when she >>> gets frustrated she's humiliated, hissing, snarling, and not so sexy >>> anymore. Well, the latter is a matter of taste, of course. :-) Point taken. But in the "Unsafe Safe" story it seemed too quick; the ducks arrive, the stunner sputters, and that's all. Maybe it struck me more because I was simply skimming over the story. Olivier From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Mon Sep 1 11:54:22 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 11:54:22 +0200 Subject: What is so funny about Magica References: <20030831200820.C5E9FBE9DC@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Message-ID: <003001c3706f$052caac0$8bf0fdc1@computer> Dani?l: >>> D 4616 The Mysterious Garden/The Green Attack. >>> Art by Daniel Branca. I think I know that one. An old house where the nephews used to play. >>> I believe Don Rosa's "The Treasury Of Croesus" (D 94012) contains that >>> great opening scene with (IMO) one of the weirdest scenes with Magica. I also like the opening of "The Many Faces of Magica de Spell", where she tries to break the bin open by controlling the weather. I seem to remember another similar story, with a meteor. A ten-pager? >>> My favourite Rosa-story with Magica is "A Matter Of Some Gravity" (D 96001), >>> because of the sideway-gravity idea, and the consistent, border-pushing way >>> of how it is handled throughout the story. Excellent. >>> A Marco Rota Magica story which I find great, is his money ocean story >>> "Zio Paperone e il deposito oceanico" (I AT 215-A). As I've said before, >>> I find the story, art, and visualization, too beautiful to be true. I love it. Great idea, beautifully illustrated. The money storm scenes are spectacular. Olivier From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Mon Sep 1 12:03:21 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 12:03:21 +0200 Subject: Stunned batteries (OT) - reptile quiz References: <20030831213208.63656BE9E2@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Message-ID: <003d01c37070$46ca0a80$8bf0fdc1@computer> >>> "Very good show! Here is a REWARD for you and your talented reptile!" >>> (Which Barks story/gag? Come on, you dummies!) :-) I thought you had hald answered it already. Saying it was an U$ gag helped a lot. U$ is hypnotized by a snake charmer.back cover gag of U$ 57 (May '65); i had to thumb through the one-pagers albums to find that one, I did remember it. My favorites are those of the free coffee series-- especially the doughnut one (inside back cover U$ 12, Dec-Feb '56); and the folding cup (inside front cover U$ 10, June-Aug '55). Imagine doing that? Olivier "It so happens that I have a dughnut in my pocket! A *standard size* doughnut!" "What a customer! Brings his own doughnuts!" From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Mon Sep 1 12:09:00 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 12:09:00 +0200 Subject: About Pigs and Terries and Fermies References: <200308312137.h7VLbdXD025639@webmail.dht.dk> Message-ID: <004401c37071$10ea1ee0$8bf0fdc1@computer> Sigvald: >>> Recently some of my favourite Barks characters the Terries and Fermies >>> ("Land Beneath the Ground" was one of the very first long Barks tales that I >>> ever read) have been mentioned here on DCML. One of my favorite stories too. It's the first Gladstone comic (with a cover by Don Rosa) that I found, in 1994; I had only a very faint memory of this story (mostly that it was good); this comic put me on trh trail of Gladstone's comics, adn I visited their office the next year, to buy the Micky Mouse in Color book, and subscriibe to the on-going WDC&S and DDA libraries. >>>AFAIK Barks intended them to be colored with one color only, >>>and that would be with the color of the surrounding rocks - >>>just like the Square eggs in "Lost in the Andes" - why >>> else would our Duckburgian friends mistake them for being rocks? That's what I thought too. Since they're very nice in those bright colors in Gladstone's issue, I colored my Terry-Fermy smileys that way too, but I also made gray and brown versions for realism's sake. Olivier From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Mon Sep 1 12:17:49 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 12:17:49 +0200 Subject: About Pigs and Terries and Fermies References: <20030831231439.0150519FE8F@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Message-ID: <005001c37072$4be3aa60$8bf0fdc1@computer> (Sorry, I should have included it in my answer to Sigvald) Dani?l: >>> Barks's answer seems to be surprisingly simple. In a 1980s idea sketch >>> "Which Disney Themepark Is This?" (one out of three), the underground >>> pillars and structures *also* are coloured. In a glowing green, >>> lightbrown, and purple. The bright colors sure look a lot nicer in the comics and the paintings. The Terry-Fermies may very well blend in the background if teh dunerground stones are brightly colored too. But when the ducks first see them, it's on the surface, and they don't notice them. I guess a simple and realistic answer is that they look a dull stone color in the sun, and phosporescent in the dark. Hm, imagine that in a movie: a dark cave, with phosphorescent stones everywhere; there's just enough light for you to see; and those strange tie-wearing creatures appear, their dark & phosphorescent shapes dimly visible. Could be pretty creepy. Olivier From kjell.crone at ifsworld.com Mon Sep 1 13:59:32 2003 From: kjell.crone at ifsworld.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Kjell_Cron=E9?=) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 13:59:32 +0200 Subject: Pigs is Pigs Message-ID: <2B364F8DBC0A2C45B195893CC09186CD01A7AF2D@gbgmail.europe.corpnet.ifsworld.com> Rich, there also is a pig called "Spotty Pig". He appears in Silly Symphony #2 from 1953: http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/W+SS++++2-07 I'm not sure, but he probably also appears in some Sunday pages, The Farmyard Symphony from October 23 - November 27, 1938: http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/ZS+38-10-23//_ which *probably* is the same story as the film http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/QMS+1938-014//_ In Mickey Mouse Magazine #40 (issued in Jan 1939) there's a story "Spotty the Greedy Little Piglet", which might be a reprint of the Sunday pages. Perhaps David Gerstein can check if all 4 occurrences is the same character. Kjell From dve at kabelfoon.nl Mon Sep 1 14:18:58 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 14:18:58 +0200 Subject: Barks's Magica on a broom Message-ID: <20030901120235.97B31BE5B2@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Yesterday, I wrote: > I would find it strange to see (Barks's) *Magica* on a real broom, > though. So strange, that I'm almost getting curious to see her that > way. :-) Barks's 1976 painting "July Fourth in Duckburg" (76-03) shows Magica on a broom, without any hint of how it is driven. The painting also contains the Ratface raven, by the way. I think it would be nice to see the broom being motorized, as I like the idea. Was Barks the inventor of motorized brooms? Or are there precedors? --- Dani?l From dve at kabelfoon.nl Mon Sep 1 15:27:08 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 15:27:08 +0200 Subject: Trick Or Treat Message-ID: <20030901131045.2EA62BE74C@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> FRANK BUBACZ to me, 31-08-2003: >> [Trick Or Treat, DD 26, 32-page version] BTW. Is Donald also sceptical >> towards witches in the animated "Trick or Treat"? Or is it something >> that Barks put into his comic boom version? > Apart from the first encounter between Donald and Hazel, when Donald > thinks she is a child in disguise, there's no hint in the animated > short that he doesn't believe she's a witch. He just acts rebellious, > because Hazel hurt his pride. On page 7, Donald shortly believes that Hazel is a fake witch with a rubber nose. Page 8 to 10 show the making of the witch brew. From page 11 to 12, Donald is wondering what is going on outside. ("A paint brush without a painter?" Etc.) At the end of page 13, he concludes: "WITCHCRAFT! That's what it is!" Donald gets frightened, but page 15 he's offended by being called a "pushover" and becomes rebellious. I guess this all follows the same path as in the cartoon? It takes 13 pages before Donald is convinced that he faces a real witch, though there's only one encounter where he really clearly expresses that. (Counting from this first encounter on page 7, it "only" takes 7 pages of preparation and action to convince Donald. Phew!) > For those who are interested, here is a list of Barks' own ideas he > added to the storyboard he got (I'm referring to the original > 32-pages-version of the comic): [...] Thanks for this thorough comparison! It's very useful! --- Dani?l "Witch, goblin, pretty girl - I wonder what's out there now?" From dve at kabelfoon.nl Mon Sep 1 16:15:39 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 16:15:39 +0200 Subject: P.S. (Re: Trick or treat) Message-ID: <20030901135915.73A32BE686@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> I erroneously wrote: > It takes 13 pages before Donald is convinced that he faces a real > witch, though there's only one encounter where he really clearly > expresses that. Huh? This is yet again one of my grammar miracles. That should be: It takes 13 pages before Donald is convinced that he faces a real witch. On page 7, he seems to think he's just facing a rubber nosed trick or treater. > (Counting from this first encounter on page 7, it "only" takes 7 pages > of preparation and action to convince Donald. Phew!) Here's an overview: Page 6 to 7 - Donald thinks he has another kid at his door, instead of Witch Hazel. There's no opinion on the existance of witches. Page 8 to 10 - Preparations are done to SCARE Donald. Page 11 - Donald thinks he got those "trick or treaters" scared off. Again, no opinion on the existance of witches. Page 12 - Donald wonders what the blazes is going on outside. He doesn't believe his eyes, but again there are no statements about witches. Panel 13.7 - Donald concludes "WITCHCRAFT! That's what it is!" Panel 14.3 - Donald: "D-do I dare to open [the door]? It's like a nightmare come true!" Panel 14.6 - Donald: "Oh, my goodness! Ghosts! Goblins! I don't understand!" (He doesn't understand, but no statements about witches.) Panel 15.2 - Donald is offended by being called a "pushover". Panel 15.3 - Donald: "Those ghosts and goblins were only FAKES!" Panel 15.4 - Donald: "I should have known you were only trying to SCARE me!" Panel 15.7 - Donald: "It takes more than a WITCH to get candy from Donald Duck!" --- Dani?l From dve at kabelfoon.nl Mon Sep 1 17:39:00 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 17:39:00 +0200 Subject: Land Beneath the Ground / Cord's return Message-ID: <20030901152244.103A7BE63A@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> OLIVIER to me, 01-09-2003: >> [Land Beneath the Ground, US 13] Barks's answer seems to be >> surprisingly simple. In a 1980s idea sketch "Which Disney Themepark >> Is This?" (one out of three), the underground pillars and structures >> *also* are coloured. In a glowing green, lightbrown, and purple. > The bright colors sure look a lot nicer in the comics and the > paintings. The Terry-Fermies may very well blend in the background if > [the underground] stones are brightly colored too. But when the ducks > first see them, it's on the surface, and they don't notice them. Yes, of course. You're right! > I guess a simple and realistic answer is that they look a dull stone > color in the sun, and phosporescent in the dark. Or maybe they have chameleon skins, so their colours adjust to the rock structures that surrounds them. This kind of camouflage might help them survive in dangerous situations, like travelling to the Earth's surface. I don't know if there have been colourists who have followed such a theory, though. > Hm, imagine that in a movie: a dark cave, with phosphorescent stones > everywhere; there's just enough light for you to see; and those strange > tie-wearing creatures appear, their dark & phosphorescent shapes dimly > visible. Could be pretty creepy. Great description! CORD WILJES, 01-09-2003: > P.S.: Sorry for the confusion my automated farewell mail may have > caused. I awoke too late to keep it from being sent. Nevermind! I'm glad you are back! I was so worried! (Sob! Sob! Sob!) --- Dani?l, who (according to Cord) has at least 20 more years to go P.S. Release Kriton! Sign the petition! Buy "Release Kriton!" shirts, so we buy some flowers to cheer him up in that moldy jail! From ggk at wp.pl Mon Sep 1 18:26:42 2003 From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 18:26:42 +0200 Subject: What is so funny about Magica References: <20030831200820.C5E9FBE9DC@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> <003001c3706f$052caac0$8bf0fdc1@computer> Message-ID: <000201c370ae$70c78450$e916fea9@z0m3c8> > >>> My favourite Rosa-story with Magica is "A Matter Of Some Gravity" (D > 96001), > >>> because of the sideway-gravity idea, and the consistent, border-pushing > way > >>> of how it is handled throughout the story. I think the Best Magica de Spell story ever is "Of Dime, Ducks and Destines". Why ? : 1) Don Rosa is a Geanius and made a reale funny story (agien). 2) In dis story, wen Magica meet Scrooge as a Kid, beafore she now it is him she act sow nice to him theat you can nerly fogot she is not a good gay but a Villant (maby Magica is realy good in said her hart? Or maby she just act nice bicous she was happy she goot the "Dime"?) Yours Maciek From Ola.Martinsson at ericsson.com Mon Sep 1 19:30:21 2003 From: Ola.Martinsson at ericsson.com (Ola Martinsson) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 19:30:21 +0200 Subject: The first Disney story that I read In-Reply-To: <200308151738.h7FHcqt15343@numerus.ling.uu.se> References: <200308151738.h7FHcqt15343@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <3F53822D.4010902@ericsson.com> Some time ago this was up I see so I'm a bit late but anyhow. As I remember there wasn't anyone that really could tell what their first Disney story was ? But I do. I was six years and both me and my younger sister (four) got the same comic book. I don't know why we got the same but I suppose that my sister wanted the same as me. The first story I read was The oil well in Swedish Kalle Anka & c:o nr 16 1967. I had only seen some shorts on the cinema before I read this one. I remember that I didn't understand much when I first read it. Donald and the boys are dressed like beggers and visit another duck (Scrooge) that swims in a swimming pool full of money. Then they have to work for Scrooge and trade their car for some old hut because DD knows that there is oil there. And then there are lots of oil towers that lower the oil level so that Scrooge gets it all. Not very much in common with the shorts there! I was quite puzzled i remember. The end story in that issue was the Paul Murry Mysterious forest fires. I remember that I thought that this story was very exciting and what was going to happen to Mickey caught up in a tree with a fire behind him. I still have this issue but the cover is long gone and it has been mended with tape, but still it gives me a nostalgic feeling to look at it. I still have all my old comics but this first Donald Duck is special to me. For what its worth Ola in Stockholm the first cold day of authumn From Ola.Martinsson at ericsson.com Mon Sep 1 19:35:25 2003 From: Ola.Martinsson at ericsson.com (Ola Martinsson) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 19:35:25 +0200 Subject: story codes In-Reply-To: <200308080558.h785wv424118@numerus.ling.uu.se> References: <200308080558.h785wv424118@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <3F53835D.3090500@ericsson.com> In the Swedish weekly the danish codes are mostly D XXXXX But in some stories the code is D D xxxxx or D/D xxxxx What does D D and D/D mean ? Ola in Stockholm From olaf at andebyonline.com Mon Sep 1 19:22:04 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 19:22:04 +0200 Subject: story codes In-Reply-To: <3F53835D.3090500@ericsson.com> References: <200308080558.h785wv424118@numerus.ling.uu.se> <3F53835D.3090500@ericsson.com> Message-ID: <1062436924.3f53803cf3a6b@imp.webhuset.no> Quoting Ola Martinsson : > What does D D and D/D mean ? The extra D stands for "development" (or a similar word) and is used in stories where the writer and/or artist is relatively new in Egmont and is still... developing. Unless I'm completely wrong, "D D" and "D/D" are the exactly same thing, where "D/D" is the code used in magazines, while "D D" is used in INDUCKS. I'm sure you will find much better answers than mine if you take a search for it in the DCML archives, as this has been up several times before. Recommended reading: D/D 2001-013, D/D 2002-009, D/D 2002-020 and D/D 2003- 022 :-) Olaf the Blue-screen (Dani?l, you were kidding, right? You don't have my photo as your desktop background, do you?) From Goofy313g at aol.com Mon Sep 1 22:12:05 2003 From: Goofy313g at aol.com (Goofy313g@aol.com) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 16:12:05 EDT Subject: The fake Douglas Message-ID: <162.25101882.2c850215@aol.com> I finally found where Freddy Fryseand comes from!!! It is "Northwest Territory" (D 7146), by Ignasi Calvet Esteban Though, I'd like to know freddy's original name... Gilles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030901/a5fd181a/attachment.html From Goofy313g at aol.com Tue Sep 2 00:39:52 2003 From: Goofy313g at aol.com (Goofy313g@aol.com) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 18:39:52 EDT Subject: Original American names needed (W DD 136-01,W DD 116-05 and S 63051) Message-ID: <18b.1eeecb91.2c8524b8@aol.com> Hi! I still need the original names of the following characters: - Vic Lockman and Mike Aren's "Why All the Crabby Ducks?" (W DD 136-01, 1971): arelative of Donald, called "Tapfou" in French, and "Fjollerik And" in Danish. - Strobl and Lockman's "The Doony Desert Dilemma" (W DD 116-05, 1968): A cousin of Scrooge, called Degenhart Duck in German. - Jack Bradbury's "Farm Education" (S 63051, "Topolino" #423, 1964): Donald's cousin who lives in a farm, called "Grandavoine" in French and "F?tter Farmer" in Danish. If anybody can help, that'd be cool Gilles http://goofy313g.free.fr/calisota_online/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030902/63f1c7f9/attachment.html From kimba1962 at comcast.net Tue Sep 2 01:56:19 2003 From: kimba1962 at comcast.net (kimba1962@comcast.net) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 23:56:19 +0000 Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 Message-ID: <20030901235702.AE2AB4325@sponsa.its.uu.se> Olivier asked, > I also like the opening of "The Many Faces of Magica de Spell", where she > tries to break the bin open by controlling the weather. I seem to remember > another similar story, with a meteor. A ten-pager? No, this last scene was featured in "For Old Dime's Sake", U$ 43, and it was actually on the SIXTH page of the story. Magica spent the first part of the opus trying (and failing) to crack open Scrooge's bin with the forces of nature before going the more prosaic "disguise oneself as Scrooge and infiltrate" route. FWIW, a Magica-moderated meteor attack on the bin also appeared in "The Unbreakable Bin" (1989), DUCKTALES' kinda-sorta adaptation of "The Unsafe Safe." Chris Barat From dve at kabelfoon.nl Tue Sep 2 06:12:53 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 06:12:53 +0200 Subject: Terry Fermy, Santa Claus, thinking rabbits, ghosts, and luck in Barks or Rosa stories Message-ID: <20030902035628.5FA3319FC20@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> DON ROSA to me, 30-08-2003: >> I agree that Peeweegahs and Awfultonians could be real existant >> people. But what is the clear difference between supernatural >> beings and Terries, Fermies, and Larkies? > You can accept little square people (Awfultonians) but not little > round people (Terries/Firmies)? I can accept *both* of them. I wasn't debunking the story. I just found the idea of Terries and Fermies causing earthquackes rather odd. Barks normally explains "anomalies with scientifically provable hogwash." This story seems to do the opposite. But then, why not. I'm beginning to the see the beauty of the story. (Despite the cuts. Who knows what more the story may have contained!) > As I said, these Barks characters are certainly all impossible in the > real world, but they are not depicted as magical or supernatural... > the Peeweegahs, Awfultonians, Terries/Firmies were weird comicbook > beings who apparently evolved into their forms due to some separation > from the rest of the world into remote and isolated regions. The Larkies > flew because they had wings, not because they had magic broomsticks. > These are "natural" beings (though admitted they are of a comicbook > "natural"). A supernatural being would be... Santa Claus. But then, I don't see the difference between a Terries and Fermies causing an earthquacke, and an old white-bearded extravagant philantrophic giving away Christmas presents all over the world. Reasons: Santa Claus might have made a fortune. (During the gold rushes, to mention just a wild example.) It might be strange that he's still "alive" today, but there's also the "Ghost Sherrif of Last Gasp" (WDC 176). That sherrif amazingly managed to taste everlasting life, just by *hiccuping*. And "That's No Fable" (US 32) contains another easy solution for everlasting life, if one could only find it back. Santa's reindeer buggy could be a high-speed motorized one. And if not, then Barks's severely cut-up and destroyed would-have-been-masterpiece "Mythtic Mystery" (US 34) shows a scientifically intended flying golden chariot, on which "Thor" is really breaking up storms in the stratosphere, with his hammer and chariot act, with four horses up front. This chariot resembles Santa's buggy with the reindeer, as in shown "A Letter to Santa" (CP 1). And Santa's reindeer could even be robots, like the horses in "The Heedless Horseman" (US 66). Rudolf's red nose could then be a lightbulb. Maybe Santa has the knowlegde of duplicating himself, like Gyro Gearloose is working with teleportation in "Stranger Than Fiction" (WDC 249). If a person can be electronically transmissed along beams of cosmic rays, then I'd say that signal can also be multiplied, giving twice the output, or more. And if a signal can be electronically enchanted, it can also be transformed into bigger and smaller signals. So, this might explain how Santa is doing those "foing" and "shrink" tricks in "A Letter to Santa". And why not? Flickus, Flackus, Fumdeedledum! :-) I think the most difficult part of explaining Santa Claus's "existance" is finding out WHY on Earth this man is GIVING AWAY presents to people, and to kids in particular. :-) Maybe he's just some kind of reversal version of Scrooge's character, being a rich philantrophic instead of a rich tightwad. (And Scrooge can do almost anything impossible with his money. Except for building a money stairs on a mountain, of course.) What I'm trying to say is that the existance of Santa Claus might be explained and proven, using comparable examples from Barks stories. So, in that light, Santa is not "supernatural" to me. Santa Claus indeed seldomly visually appears in Barks's stories, especially given the many Christmas stories Barks has made. This might indeed say something about his fondness of the character, but he *did* write at least one story in which he referred to Santa's existance. In the submarine christmas story (WDC 172), an initially hard-hearted Scrooge arranges christmas presents for the sleeping nephews, who have just sweetly accepted that Santa Claus will never find them aboard of Scrooge's submarine on Christmas Eve. After having plowed through the black seas for fifty miles, Scrooge gets the presents aboard by airplane delivery. An amazed Donald concludes that Scrooge gave up his chance to find the Cuspidoria just to get these presents for the kids and him. Scrooge puts on radar-phones, so he doesn't have to listen to Donald's gushing. And then the radar-phones suddenly start buzzing... The Cuspidoria turned out to be fifty miles nearer shore than she was reported to Scrooge, *exactly* the distance Scrooge had to travel to get his nephews Christmas presents. That could be coincidence - just like "The Golden River" (US 20) could be coincidence - but once again Scrooge doesn't want to listen to such talks. Instead, he concludes: "And don't tell me that Santa Claus didn't lead me RIGHT to her side!" In this Barks story Scrooge, Donald, and the nephews, believe in Santa. And I'm willing to believe them. I think they should know, having access to the Junior Woodchuck Guidebook. But that's a matter of taste and vision, of course. BTW. I hope I don't sound as poking fun at your explanation. I intend these ideas to be "Barks-inspired" story solutions. It means a lot of fun and escapism for me, so that's what you might see shining through. > The Easter Bunny. The Easter Bunny doesn't need to be supernatural, either. Just take two of Gyro's think boxes (WDC 141), a soft-hearted rabbit that likes to play hide-and-seek, and a basket full of eggs. That's all. Gyro can even make a dog talk (WDC 152), you'll get one for free if you say he can't! :-) > Casper the Dead Baby. See? I don't know how else to explain it. Yup. According to his name, Casper the Friendly Ghost is indeed a supernatural ghost. This is clear. He might just be a flying raven in a kilted cage, instead of a ghost, as in "Mystery of the Ghost Town Railroad" (US 56), but I got your point. :-) >> About ghosts. Would you use ghosts in your stories? > I've done so on several occasions. I will again. I already said > that I LIKE ghost stories. I should have known that. I was just wondering where you draw the lines between what you find possible in your stories, and what not. But I won't be surprised if you - or anyone else - would find that a rather abstract question to actually ask. I don't even know where I would draw the lines myself. One day I criticize Terries and Fermies, and then the other day I suddenly discover that I begin to like them. :-) > Of course it is! I *said* I am ready and willing (and perhaps even > eager) to use supernatural ideas in my stories even though Barks > seemed to avoid it. I agree that Barks seemed to avoid "real" ghosts. Examples of that would be the Pizen Bluff story (US 26), and the earlier mentioned Ghost Town Railroad story (US 56). The Ducks are willing to believe that ghosts exist, but they find counter-proofs. The "Lost Peg Leg Mine" (DD 52-02) also seems to be such a story, but there the debunking is less clear. The only inherently magical "supernatural" Barks character I can think of is Gladstone Gander. Gladstone seems to have powers by default, without needing a wand, or even ancient knowledge. He only needs to put out his hand, and mostly even less. If Gladstone doesn't perfom magic, it's still something that's as close as can be. (IMO) > "My" Kalevala characters performed impossible, magical feats, appearing > and disappearing at will into an extra-dimensional reality. Larkies > lived on a remote mountain having cooking contests and flew around > because they had wings. Yes, that's indeed quite a difference. > I still recall a frustrating conversation 'way back in my college days > with someone who just couldn't understand why scientists would explore > the possibility of large sea creatures in Loch Ness or the so-called > "abominable snowmen" in the Himalayas, but they were not investigating > the existence of werewolves in the suburbs or vampires at the all-night > grocery. I could not get through to him. He had "supernatural" logic. Investigating Hollywoord creations and Bram Stoker's Dracula, other than in archives would indeed be silly, though this made-up legend seems to lure more and more people into actually believing it... That's quite confusing. (And I find it very scary if the media have such remarkable effects on people.) Werewolves and vampires do seem to have roots in reality, though. There are people who have a disease that fully covers them with hair. And vampires seem to have been inspired by people with a skin-disease that would make the gums in their mouth bleed, as an allergic reaction to daylight. I don't know if that "vampire" disease can be cured, at least there are still people who have a sunlight allergy, even the smallest rays will cause severe blisters. I think they, and the "werewolve" people would love an investigation of their pharmaceutically uninteresting disease. And I've yet to see the first abominable snowman or Loch Ness creature waving at a (proper) camera... What exactly is real? What exactly is supernatural? What has been made-up? And what exactly is impossible? Will we ever know? > There's never been a truer axiom than "you can't please everyone, so > don't even try". I just follow Frank and "dooooo it myyyyyy waaaayyyyyyy". "The sound cracked the mirror!... Brother! That's QUALITY!" (Which Barks story?) :-) --- Dani?l From dve at kabelfoon.nl Tue Sep 2 06:34:27 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 06:34:27 +0200 Subject: Mythtic Mystery (US 34) - short explanation Message-ID: <20030902041802.37276BE657@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Barks has described "Mythtic Mystery" (US 34), as "a 16-pager of Uncle Scrooge and the ducks getting blown into Valhalla (a wandering small planet that strays into the earth's shadow). This Valhalla is peopled by dog-faces named Thor, Odin, and other names common to the Norse Gods. Also Vulcan, Jupiter, Venus, and the Latin Gods names. You'll have to read Uncle Scrooge #34 to see how I explain away such mythical anomalies with scientifically provable hogwash. As Louie expresses it: "Another of childhood's cherished illusions reduced to so many nuts and bolts."" (December 30, 1960 letter to Malcom Willits.) Well, Louie didn't express that in the story at all, after it had been grinded to pieces. As far as I know, the small quote could be the only left-over of the story as originally intended. In a March 24, 1961 letter to a Malcolm Willits, Barks wrote: "In the Valhalla story, the cuts were scattered around, but totalled the equivalent of 16 panels. My chin hit my knees when I saw that big half-page stupender I did of Thor and Vulcan and a nephew riding above the busiest street corner in Duckburg in the golden chariot missing. Thor's horses terrified, thousands (at least) of people gaping upward in disbelief. Autos bumper-to-bumper, smoking, clanking. In short, I gave Vulcan something to be scared about. All wasted effort." Besides the loss of what Barks has called "the most complicated drawing I ever did", the damage to the plot line must have angered him. Concerned as he was to balance fantasy with science, Barks would have taken care to explain the crucial detail of the "unmagic stone hammer." In its truncated form, the story gives no explanation. The hammer simply appears and solves everybody's problems. BTW. I guess the half-page overview was cut down to a standard-sized panel. Panel 13.5, to be exactly. The caption and the balloons look remounted. My eyes hurt, looking at the cuts and apparent mix-ups of story points. I have put an unfinished investigation of the story at: http://www.seriesam.com/barks/detc_us0034-01.html If only I could get myself together enough to finish it. --- Dani?l "Asleep in the DEEP!" From shadz at email.com Tue Sep 2 08:58:07 2003 From: shadz at email.com (Shad Z.) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 23:58:07 -0700 Subject: Disney Witches revisited Message-ID: <20030902065807.18716.qmail@email.com> From: Rich Bellacera > > I'm taking inventory of Disney's witches and hopefully some of you can clarify a > few points for me. > > 4) Witch-Queen from Snow White > Another witch typically encountered in Forest-related stories. > Always evil. Not much used these days. Whenever she appears in comics, she's wearing her "old crone" disguise from the end of the movie (at least, in all the comics stories I've seen her in, except for actual adaptations of the movie). Why is that? -- Shad Z. ^Q^ http://shadz.homestead.com/files/ HONK TO SEE PUPPIES Sign along US 287, Loveland CO -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup CareerBuilder.com has over 400,000 jobs. Be smarter about your job search http://corp.mail.com/careers From shadz at email.com Tue Sep 2 09:22:32 2003 From: shadz at email.com (Shad Z.) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 00:22:32 -0700 Subject: Disney Witches revisited Message-ID: <20030902072232.6783.qmail@email.com> From: Rich Bellacera > > Speaking of which... (hahahahaa... I made a funny)... > I was in the local Disney Store yesterday picking > up my copy of the pre-paid for STITCH: THE MOVIE >(which was wonderful), and I noticed the store was > selling POWER RANGERS toys... Huh??? Did Disney buy Bandai? No, but Disney did buy Bandai's American Power Ranger partner, Saban. It was a side-effect of their buying the Fox Family Channel. Disney quickly disolved Saban and formed two independent companies (made up of former Saban employees) to continue making (as contractors for Disney) the only two Saban shows that they thought worth keeping: Power Rangers and Digimon. -- Shad Z. ^Q^ http://shadz.homestead.com/files/ HONK TO SEE PUPPIES Sign along US 287, Loveland CO -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup CareerBuilder.com has over 400,000 jobs. Be smarter about your job search http://corp.mail.com/careers From frankbubacz at hotmail.com Tue Sep 2 09:51:42 2003 From: frankbubacz at hotmail.com (Frank Bubacz) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 09:51:42 +0200 Subject: Trick Or Treat Message-ID: Daniel: >I guess this all follows the same path as in the cartoon? In short: yup. >Thanks for this thorough comparison! I'm not quite sure, however, about the scene with the goat. The goat is not in my copy of the short, although the goat's hair definitely is. Moreover, there's also an "unnatural" looking cut right before one of the nephews hands Hazel the hairs. So I guess the gag with the goat was edited out from my TV sourced version of the film. Maybe somebody else can confirm that this gag is in the film, i.e. it wasn't Barks' own idea for the comic version? Frank _________________________________________________________________ MSN Groups & Chat - Freunde finden - leicht gemacht http://groups.msn.com/people/ From shadz at email.com Tue Sep 2 09:49:45 2003 From: shadz at email.com (Shad Z.) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 00:49:45 -0700 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 77 Message-ID: <20030902074945.14033.qmail@email.com> From: "Don Rosa" > > > From: Rich Bellacera > > Subject: Magica the Sorceress > > To those who submitted info related to Magica as > > a Sorceress, thanks. I shall have to remember > > that for her profile, though I must say, Gary is > > probably correct in the way most people will > > commonly perceive Magica whether or not it is > > technically accurate. > > Oh, yes, I certainly agree with that! If one is making > a list of Disney "witches", Magica should not only be on > the list, she should be at the HEAD of the list (naturally > I'd think that!). But then the explanation would need > to be included as to how she is different from someone > like a Witch Hazel or Madam Mim or the Snow White witch. Actually, to use your terms, the "Snow White witch" is a Sorceress like Magica, not a Witch like Witch Hazel -- at least when you look at the movie. In the movie, she only does one magical act -- she turns herself into the "old crone". And to do that, she has to perform a rather complicated sorcerous/alchemical spell to create a potion, then drink the potion she made. (She also posions the apple, but there is nothing that indicates the posion is magical. And she owns a Magic Mirror, but there's no indication that she made the mirror or was powering it with her magic) -- Shad Z. ^Q^ http://shadz.homestead.com/files/ HONK TO SEE PUPPIES Sign along US 287, Loveland CO -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup CareerBuilder.com has over 400,000 jobs. Be smarter about your job search http://corp.mail.com/careers From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Tue Sep 2 09:57:14 2003 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 09:57:14 +0200 Subject: Uncle Scrooge #101 Message-ID: <0DD8055E0FECF744B5FF8053F80C4A2DE75A72@l07.oase.research.kpn.com> Jose Gonzalez-Gigato: > The Inducks Disney Comics Database lists US#101 > ("http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/magazine.php/0/us/US") with > the publication #90038-210. It should be #90038-209. Noted. Thanks. > What is the procedure to submit corrections? For American (and Dutch) comics, an e-mail to me does the trick. If you have comments about comics from other countries, they can go to me too (then I'll find out whose "domain" it is). And after that, it can take a few weeks before the improvements are visible on our websites. --Harry. http://bolderbast.inducks.org From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Tue Sep 2 10:21:56 2003 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:21:56 +0200 Subject: Sands of Time (OT) Message-ID: <0DD8055E0FECF744B5FF8053F80C4A2DE75A73@l07.oase.research.kpn.com> Kurt Wiltjes will write: > In the middle of the room there stood an great pile of books in > slipcases: Several dozen copies of 4 different slipcases with three > books each. They had the same format as the b/w Cark Barks > library bout > were bound sideways. And they contained the whole uncensored body of > Floyd Gottfredson's Mickey Mouse strips in crystal-clear print. You are describing *my* copy of "The Floyd Gottfredson Library". I thought I had them bound from Horst Schroeder xeroxes, but now it seems I will have them had from a shop somewhere in the future. Except that my FGL is only 9 books (in 3 slipcases). I'm still looking for the 3 other books, containing the MM Sunday strips from FG's era. Now I'm sure I have had these too, all the time, because I will have them had gotten from the same shop. Dani?l: > [...] Cord's recent time-travel journey. I wonder how the word "recent" is defined when talking about time travels... --Harry. "The world will end tomorrow!" "Nonsense. It's already tomorrow in New Zealand." (Bob Foster) From astrup_jensen at hotmail.com Tue Sep 2 11:33:10 2003 From: astrup_jensen at hotmail.com (Mads Jensen) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 11:33:10 +0200 Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 7, Issue 4 Message-ID: "The sound cracked the mirror!... Brother! That's QUALITY!" Is it the story where Donald is a sound expert ? Can't find the code for it right now :-( Best, Mads _________________________________________________________________ Få gode tilbud direkte i din mailbox http://jatak.msn.dk From kyrimis at cti.gr Tue Sep 2 09:42:32 2003 From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 10:42:32 +0300 Subject: Land Beneath the Ground / Cord's return In-Reply-To: <20030901152244.103A7BE63A@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> References: <20030901152244.103A7BE63A@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Message-ID: <3F5449E8.5010800@cti.gr> DANIEL: > P.S. Release Kriton! Sign the petition! Buy "Release Kriton!" shirts, > so we buy some flowers to cheer him up in that moldy jail! It's not that bad in here; after all, they're letting me keep the complete Gottfredson edition that I brought from the future. By the time I've finished reading it, I'll be out. The food is great, too; I'm beginning to develop a taste for prunes. Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr) (WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis) ----- "Open minds are the best kind, but nature abhors a vacuum, so if you've got an open mind someone always tries to come along and put something in it." ----- From lpj at forfatter.dk Tue Sep 2 11:56:34 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:56:34 +0200 Subject: What Spell(ing)? Message-ID: <02e301c3714c$f8d88b20$b2469dd9@idb3156> Daniël van Eijmeren wrote: > Michael Barrier spells "Magica de Spell", > and others spell "Magica *De* Spell". > How did Barks spell "de spell"? In my 1987 trade edition of "Uncle Scrooge McDuck -- His Life & Times" Barks at one point comments on a Magica story. I have no idea whether the proof editor followed Barks' spelling or "corrected" it before the book was printed, but assuming the text wasn't tampered with, Barks spells her name "Magica De Spell". Lars From lpj at forfatter.dk Tue Sep 2 14:13:08 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 14:13:08 +0200 Subject: What is so funny about Magica Message-ID: <02e501c3714c$fabdc5e0$b2469dd9@idb3156> Daniël van Eijmeren wrote: > Is Barks's Magica an evil person? Has she ever threatened to really > harm (or even kill) people or animals? I can't remember any such > instance. Is she evil? This is an impossible question to answer. How do you define evil? Are the Beagle Boys evil? Is Big Bad Wolf? Is Scrooge McDuck? Depends on who you're asking, probably. Lars From lpj at forfatter.dk Tue Sep 2 11:38:27 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:38:27 +0200 Subject: The fake Douglas References: <162.25101882.2c850215@aol.com> Message-ID: <02e201c3714c$f7ed8ee0$b2469dd9@idb3156> Gilles wrote: > I finally found where Freddy Fryseand comes from!!! > It is "Northwest Territory" (D 7146), by Ignasi Calvet Esteban > Though, I'd like to know freddy's original name... I'll try to find out, but it'll probably take a while. Lars From JTorci3511 at aol.com Tue Sep 2 16:16:35 2003 From: JTorci3511 at aol.com (JTorci3511@aol.com) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:16:35 EDT Subject: Original American Character Names (W DD 136-01,W DD 116-05) Message-ID: <63.21b09c47.2c860043@aol.com> Goofy313g at aol.com asks for Original American names needed (W DD 136-01,W DD 116-05) >>I still need the original names of the following characters:>> >>- Vic Lockman and Mike Aren's "Why All the Crabby Ducks?" (W DD 136-01, 1971): a relative of Donald, called "Tapfou" in French, and "Fjollerik And" in Danish. >> The oddball engineer who designed all of Duckburg's ills was called "Dudly D. Duck". >>- Strobl and Lockman's "The Doony Desert Dilemma" (W DD 116-05, 1968): A cousin of Scrooge, called Degenhart Duck in German.>> This was cousin "Lurch Mc Duck" (...perhaps misidentified as "Lurch Duck" by an impostor one page one). "Lurch Mc Duck" adopted the identity of "Sheik Beak" to distance himself from his "bossy cousin" Scrooge. Please spell my name correctly in the acknowledgments :-) Joe Torcivia. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030902/a0761c31/attachment.html From cien2 at cbn.net.id Tue Sep 2 17:09:11 2003 From: cien2 at cbn.net.id (Arie Fachrisal) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 22:09:11 +0700 Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 7, Issue 4 References: <200309020803.h8283VAX007523@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <004c01c37164$2d1f4c40$c4779eca@cien2> the side-talk about Casper the Dead Baby erally gives me the creee, i had never thought about it that way to admit. That opens a whole new persepctive as how Casper really died, it can be a crepy story but since it's Disney Comics mailing list, i shouldnt talk about it :-) Daniel: > Maybe Santa has the knowlegde of duplicating himself, like Gyro Gearloose > is working with teleportation in "Stranger Than Fiction" (WDC 249). If a > person can be electronically transmissed along beams of cosmic rays, then > I'd say that signal can also be multiplied, giving twice the output, or > more. And if a signal can be electronically enchanted, it can also be > transformed into bigger and smaller signals. So, this might explain how > Santa is doing those "foing" and "shrink" tricks in "A Letter to Santa". > And why not? Flickus, Flackus, Fumdeedledum! :-) Yikkus, Yakkus, Youbettus. Though i am somehat baffled by why an old man with white beard would laugh "ho-ho-ho" when his big round nose is freezing into a reddish state ;-) Keep On Quickus Quackus Quacking, Arie Fachrisal ------------------------------------------------- "Ho, Maid Moonshine! Wherefore artst you at?" ------------------------------------------------- From cien2 at cbn.net.id Tue Sep 2 17:13:28 2003 From: cien2 at cbn.net.id (Arie Fachrisal) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 22:13:28 +0700 Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 7, Issue 4 References: <200309020803.h8283VAX007523@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <007f01c37164$c4c4b580$c4779eca@cien2> From: "Arie Fachrisal" > the side-talk about Casper the Dead Baby erally gives me the creee, i had > never thought about it that way to admit. I meant erally = really and creee = creep. Keep On Quacking, Arie Fachrisal From lpj at forfatter.dk Tue Sep 2 16:33:59 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 16:33:59 +0200 Subject: story codes Message-ID: <040e01c37169$df674e20$b2469dd9@idb3156> Olaf Solstrand wrote: > Recommended reading: D/D 2001-013, D/D 2002-009, D/D 2002-020 > and D/D 2003-022 :-) I know it's a long shot, but... Do you happen to know what the title of D/D 2003-022 is? :-) Lars From olaf at andebyonline.com Tue Sep 2 19:14:50 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:14:50 +0200 Subject: story codes In-Reply-To: <040e01c37169$df674e20$b2469dd9@idb3156> References: <040e01c37169$df674e20$b2469dd9@idb3156> Message-ID: <1062522890.3f54d00a5c45b@imp.webhuset.no> I wrote: > > Recommended reading: D/D 2001-013, D/D 2002-009, D/D 2002-020 > > and D/D 2003-022 :-) > Lars asked: > I know it's a long shot, but... Do you happen to know what the title of > D/D 2003-022 is? :-) Uhm... Yes. You made me wonder if I had written a number wrong and this really was a story written by Lars Jensen. It wasn't - so now I just sit here wondering why on earth you asked me that question. The title is "Wand vs. Woodchucks". Written by yours truly. Why do you ask? Olaf From gerd.syllwasschy at web.de Tue Sep 2 19:23:17 2003 From: gerd.syllwasschy at web.de (Gerd Syllwasschy) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 19:23:17 +0200 Subject: Trick or Treat References: <200309020802.h8281ZAX007367@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <3F54D205.70504@web.de> Frank: > I'm not quite sure, however, about the scene with the goat. The goat is > not in my copy of the short, although the goat's hair definitely is. > Moreover, there's also an "unnatural" looking cut right before one of > the nephews hands Hazel the hairs. So I guess the gag with the goat was > edited out from my TV sourced version of the film. Maybe somebody else > can confirm that this gag is in the film, i.e. it wasn't Barks' own idea > for the comic version? My DVD version (length 7'56 at 25 fps, ca. 7'10 without credits) does not contain the goat scene, either. However, there is one caveat when comparing the comic with the film: Barks submitted the finished comic in March 1952, whereas the cartoon was not released until October of the same year. He worked from photostats of the storyboard drawings, and it is quite likely that some changes were applied to the animation later. So, if a scene from the comic does not appear in the movie, this does not necessarily mean that it was Barks' own idea. Gerd From sigvald at duckburg.dk Tue Sep 2 20:04:29 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:04:29 +0200 Subject: Cutting of "Land Beneath the Ground" Message-ID: <200309021804.h82I4TfX033540@webmail.dht.dk> Daniel van Eijmeren wrote: > I can accept *both* of them. I wasn't debunking > the story. I just found the idea of Terries and > Fermies causing earthquackes rather odd. Barks > normally explains anomalies with scientifically > provable hogwash. This story seems to do the > opposite. But then, why not. I'm beginning > to the see the beauty of the story. Despite > the cuts. Who knows what more the story may > have contained! Haven't you seen the complete version in Holland? In Scandinavia a cutted version was presented in the weeklies #7-10/1975 and an AFAIK complete version in the "Gullbok" from 1999. Sigvald From lpj at forfatter.dk Tue Sep 2 21:36:57 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 21:36:57 +0200 Subject: Sv: story codes References: <040e01c37169$df674e20$b2469dd9@idb3156> <1062522890.3f54d00a5c45b@imp.webhuset.no> Message-ID: <004201c3718a$efd14240$8e469dd9@idb3156> Olaf wrote: > > > Recommended reading: D/D 2001-013, D/D 2002-009, D/D 2002-020 > > > and D/D 2003-022 :-) > > > I know it's a long shot, but... Do you happen to know what the title > > of D/D 2003-022 is? :-) > > Uhm... Yes. You made me wonder if I had written a number wrong and > this really was a story written by Lars Jensen. It wasn't - so now I > just sit here wondering why on earth you asked me that question. The > title is "Wand vs. Woodchucks". Written by yours truly. Why do you > ask? Because I could find the titles of the other stories on COA and was wondering what the title of D/D 2003-022 was. And I suspected you might know. Lars From gerd.syllwasschy at web.de Tue Sep 2 21:44:27 2003 From: gerd.syllwasschy at web.de (Gerd Syllwasschy) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 21:44:27 +0200 Subject: Cutting of "Land Beneath the Ground" Message-ID: <3F54F31B.4020702@web.de> Sigvald: > In Scandinavia a cutted version was presented in the weeklies #7-10/1975 and > an AFAIK complete version in the "Gullbok" from 1999. The complete 32-page version of "Land beneath the Ground" as Barks drew it has never been published anywhere. 2 and 5/8 pages are still presumed lost. Gerd From frankbubacz at hotmail.com Tue Sep 2 22:07:02 2003 From: frankbubacz at hotmail.com (Frank Bubacz) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 22:07:02 +0200 Subject: Trick Or Treat Message-ID: Gerd: >So, if a scene from the comic does not appear in the movie, this does not >necessarily mean that it was Barks' own idea. Accepted. ;-) So let's talk about "differences between comic and film" instead of "Barks' ideas", although I think we can agree that pages 16-24 are exactly that. In fact so much that the censor couldn't take it. The other important thing that can easily be attributed to Barks is the strengthening of the "unbeliever" element (Hazel's monologue on page 2 and Donald's hesitating attitude towards her witchcraft), which is barely hinted at in the short, although the simple reason might be there just wasn't as much space for dialogue as in the comic. >My DVD version (length 7'56 at 25 fps, ca. 7'10 without credits) does not >contain the goat scene, either. For what it's worth, Geoff Blum claims in the CBL that the goat scene was a Barks addition. So we can probably add it to the list of differences. Frank _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail? - ?Absolut kostenfrei! Der weltweit gr??te E-Mail-Anbieter im Netz: http://www.msn.de/hotmail From raptus at stofanet.dk Tue Sep 2 22:12:06 2003 From: raptus at stofanet.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Krarup_Olesen?=) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 22:12:06 +0200 Subject: Sv: story codes In-Reply-To: <004201c3718a$efd14240$8e469dd9@idb3156> References: <040e01c37169$df674e20$b2469dd9@idb3156> <1062522890.3f54d00a5c45b@imp.webhuset.no> <004201c3718a$efd14240$8e469dd9@idb3156> Message-ID: <3F54F996.8010307@stofanet.dk> OLAF: >>> I know it's a long shot, but... Do you happen to know what the >>> title of D/D 2003-022 is? :-) > Because I could find the titles of the other stories on COA and was > wondering what the title of D/D 2003-022 was. And I suspected you > might know. Duly noted and will be part of Inducks on the next update. Thanks to Lars for asking, thanks to Olaf for answering and thanks to Thomas for reminding me! :-) I presume this is the "famous" non-platypus story... S?ren From cord at wiljes.de Tue Sep 2 23:28:27 2003 From: cord at wiljes.de (Cord Wiljes) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 23:28:27 +0200 Subject: Casper In-Reply-To: <004c01c37164$2d1f4c40$c4779eca@cien2> Message-ID: <002101c37199$26669d60$0101a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> Arie Fachrisal wrote: > the side-talk about Casper the Dead Baby erally gives me the > creeps, i had never thought about it that way to admit. That opens a whole > new persepctive as how Casper really died, it can be a crepy story but since > it's Disney Comics mailing list, i shouldnt talk about it :-) You can, of course, always move the subject of Casper to www.dcml-talk.org Cord From dve at kabelfoon.nl Wed Sep 3 03:07:15 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 03:07:15 +0200 Subject: Blue-screen (OT) Message-ID: <20030903005052.8316619FB5B@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> OLAF SOLSTRAND to me, 01-092003: > Olaf the Blue-screen > (Dani?l, you were kidding, right? You don't have my photo as your > desktop background, do you?) {Sound of a creepy, nerve-wrecking orchestra slows gets louder.} This is the part where the famous Olaf Solstrand discovers that he has attracted a dangerous psychopathic stalker... :-) --- Dani?l, missing a lot of vitamin B12 (because of his hunger strike) From dve at kabelfoon.nl Wed Sep 3 03:57:39 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 03:57:39 +0200 Subject: Witch-Queen Snow White / Harry's trick Message-ID: <20030903014113.AADA5BE784@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> SHAD Z to RICH BELLACERA, 01-09-2003: >> 4) Witch-Queen from Snow White >> Another witch typically encountered in Forest-related stories. >> Always evil. Not much used these days. > Whenever she appears in comics, she's wearing her "old crone" disguise > from the end of the movie (at least, in all the comics stories I've > seen her in, except for actual adaptations of the movie). Why is that? In comics, Disney movie characters are often used in their most memorable appearance. Think of "Belle and the Beast". In the comics, Belle still meets her lover as the beast, instead of the person with the very big nose in the last minutes of the movie. (Maybe he decided that he was better of as beast.) There's also The Lion King. In the movie the father is killed, and Simba has grown old. In the comics, Simba's father is still alive and Simba is still young. HARRY DOTTER (a.k.a. FLUKS) to JOSE GONZALEZ-GIGATO, 02-09-2003: >> What is the procedure to submit corrections [to Inducks]? > For American (and Dutch) comics, an e-mail to me does the trick. Trick? Are you supernatural, Harry? --- Dani?l "We have found a witch. May we burn her?" http://bau2.uibk.ac.at/sg/python/Scripts/HolyGrail/TheHolyGrail.screenplay From dve at kabelfoon.nl Wed Sep 3 05:24:20 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 05:24:20 +0200 Subject: Barks's mirror quote / Magica / Glomgold / pig villain / Kriton / Santa Message-ID: <20030903030755.7015B19FB14@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> MADS JENSEN, 02-09-2003: >> "The sound cracked the mirror!... Brother! That's QUALITY!" > Is it the story where Donald is a sound expert ? Can't find the code > for it right now :-( Sound expert? I'm not sure if you mean the same story as I do. The comment is indeed by Donald. But it's NOT "Monkey Business" (WDC 297), if that's what you mean. LARS JENSEN to me, 02-09-2003: >> Is Barks's Magica an evil person? Has she ever threatened to really >> harm (or even kill) people or animals? I can't remember any such >> instance. > Is she evil? This is an impossible question to answer. How do you > define evil? Are the Beagle Boys evil? Is Big Bad Wolf? Is Scrooge > McDuck? Depends on who you're asking, probably. "Evil" indeed is not a clear word. You're right. I meant to ask if Barks's Magica is able to really harm or even kill people or animals. Flintheart Glomgold would fit in that category. In "So Far and No Safari" (US 61), he tries to kill the Ducks by literally BOMBING them. The pig villain also tries to kill the Ducks, in "Crown of the Mayas" (US 44), and in "The Great Wig Mystery" (US 52). Maybe this could be nice Barks quiz, finding such instances. And are the Ducks always innocent themselves, or not? ARIE FACHRISAL to me, 02-09-2003: >> So, this might explain how Santa is doing those "foing" and "shrink" >> tricks in "A Letter to Santa". And why not? Flickus, Flackus, >> Fumdeedledum! :-) > Yikkus, Yakkus, Youbettus. Though i am somehat baffled by why an old > man with white beard would laugh "ho-ho-ho" when his big round nose > is freezing into a reddish state ;-) Maybe he gets some bottles with not-so-supernatural potions at his local liquor shop, to get his nose so shiny, and his laughing so silly. "Ho-ho-ho, Red-nose Rudolf! Old tippler! Don't drink and drive, they say! Ho-ho-ho! Who do those cops think I am? Santa Claus? Ho-ho-ho!" KRITON KYRIMIS to me, 02-09-2003: >> P.S. Release Kriton! Sign the petition! Buy "Release Kriton!" shirts, >> so we buy some flowers to cheer him up in that moldy jail! > It's not that bad in here; (Maybe so, but I sure can use the money. And if you don't want your share, I get even more for myself.) Buy "Release Kriton" shirts! Don't be so doggoned greedy! Buy "Release Kriton" shirts! It's for the good cause! :-) --- Dani?l From pfr at neg-micon.dk Wed Sep 3 09:10:33 2003 From: pfr at neg-micon.dk (Poul =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sp=E6rhage_Fr=F8kj=E6r?=) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 09:10:33 +0200 Subject: Comic book trading -mainly for Danes! Message-ID: Hi guys, I have just learned the following: On Oct 25. there will be a posibility to trade comic books in Aarhus. Not only Disneys, but this being Scandinavia I guess there will be just a couple of Disneys present :-) . I think it is the first time in 8 years there is such an "open to public" event i Denmark. See link (text in Danish): http://www.seriejournalen.dk/sj_indhold.asp?sprog=DK&art=Nyhed&ID=1092 -see you there -Poul From timoro at hotmail.com Wed Sep 3 09:44:06 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 10:44:06 +0300 Subject: Barks's mirror quote Message-ID: > >> "The sound cracked the mirror!... Brother! That's QUALITY!" That must be one of my all time favorites: WDC 165-01 (Aku Ankka musiikin lumoissa) The Price of Fame! Donald is singing in bathtub and he's braking the bathroom mirror. He tries to get famous by some sort of music, any kind... :-) Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ................................. "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - kaikki yst?v?t klikkauksen p??ss?! Lataa t?st? ilmaiseksi. http://www.msn.fi/viestintapalvelut/Messenger From ggk at wp.pl Wed Sep 3 11:05:37 2003 From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 11:05:37 +0200 Subject: Barks's mirror quote / Magica / Glomgold / pig villain / Kriton /Santa/Don Rosa References: <20030903030755.7015B19FB14@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Message-ID: <001701c371fa$8b977ef0$e916fea9@z0m3c8> > Flintheart Glomgold would fit in that category. In "So Far and No Safari" > (US 61), he tries to kill the Ducks by literally BOMBING them. Maby dis is aut of subject but Glomgold tries to kil the Duck's in Don Rosa story "Last Lord of Eldorado" by pushing Big rock on them. Beagle Boys and Magica (and maby even Jhon. Rockerduck) woud never do somthing like dies. Yours Maciek From mgrhode at yahoo.com Wed Sep 3 15:18:56 2003 From: mgrhode at yahoo.com (Mike Rhode) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 06:18:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: need digest v. 7 #3 In-Reply-To: <200309030746.h837ioAW020539@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <20030903131856.88886.qmail@web21409.mail.yahoo.com> Can someone sent me digest v. 7 #3 directly? Thanks, Mike __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Wed Sep 3 17:49:25 2003 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 17:49:25 +0200 Subject: a Fallberg script Message-ID: <0DD8055E0FECF744B5FF8053F80C4A2DE75A7B@l07.oase.research.kpn.com> I wrote: HF> I have a xerox of the original Fallberg script of a HF> story, drawn by Carpi. Marco asked: MB> What about a scan? The 9 pages that were published in a Laqua catalog are now available at: http://dd50.inducks.org/fallberg/ (more than 2 megabytes in total). The story is S 75153, "The Pursuit Of Big Paw". The 19-page script was drawn in Italy as an 18-pager. --Harry. From cien2 at cbn.net.id Wed Sep 3 19:08:15 2003 From: cien2 at cbn.net.id (Arie Fachrisal) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 00:08:15 +0700 Subject: Pigs is pigs References: <200309010013.h810D3AX024142@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <004c01c3723d$f8f0ad80$43779eca@cien2> > From: "Gerstein, David DK - ECN" > Meanwhile, the Arab use of pig characters varies with the country, > as Jehan's research found. Publishers in Egypt, which Jehan saw as > comparatively liberal, let a pig stay a pig. But in Gulf countries such as > Kuwait, where the editors were more conservative, Jehan found McSwine > redrawn with a dog's nose and other pigfaces becoming unspecified creatures > (still rather piglike, but with nostrils removed from their snouts). In Indonesia, few stories featuring pig-faces have been "altered" (just like you described, David). It happened several years ago but eventually after a few of those, they dont do that now. One can say that they were trying things out, the results like you said, David wasnt too pretty as the pig-faced characters has been made loking like a pig but not truely so it became an unspecified creature. Keep On Quacking, Arie Fachrisal ------------------------------------------------- "Ho, Maid Moonshine! Wherefore artst you at?" ------------------------------------------------- From shadz at email.com Wed Sep 3 19:17:15 2003 From: shadz at email.com (Shad Z.) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 10:17:15 -0700 Subject: Witch-Queen Snow White / Harry's trick Message-ID: <20030903171715.4271.qmail@email.com> From: "Daniel van Eijmeren" > > SHAD Z to RICH BELLACERA, 01-09-2003: > > >> 4) Witch-Queen from Snow White > >> Another witch typically encountered in Forest-related stories. > >> Always evil. Not much used these days. > > > Whenever she appears in comics, she's wearing her "old crone" disguise > > from the end of the movie (at least, in all the comics stories I've > > seen her in, except for actual adaptations of the movie). Why is that? > > In comics, Disney movie characters are often used in their most memorable > appearance. Think of "Belle and the Beast". In the comics, Belle still > meets her lover as the beast, instead of the person with the very big nose > in the last minutes of the movie. (Maybe he decided that he was better of > as beast.) There's also The Lion King. In the movie the father is killed, > and Simba has grown old. In the comics, Simba's father is still alive and > Simba is still young. Yeah, but there you are talking about a series/feature based on the movie. It makes since that the series would be based somehow during the film, since after the film all the dramatic arcs and conflicts have been wrapped up. Here, I'm talking about random appearinces of the Witch Queen as the villian in a Chip 'n' Dale story, etc. Anyway, the Queens "old crone" disguise is NOT her "most memorable appearance," IMHO. Her natural looks are much more interesting and scary. -- Shad Z. ^Q^ http://shadz.homestead.com/files/ HONK TO SEE PUPPIES Sign along US 287, Loveland CO -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup CareerBuilder.com has over 400,000 jobs. Be smarter about your job search http://corp.mail.com/careers From ericchun at hotmail.com Wed Sep 3 20:03:54 2003 From: ericchun at hotmail.com (Eric Chun) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 11:03:54 -0700 Subject: FW: The Barks Collector 43 Message-ID: John Nichols (Bear Mountain Enterprises) is planning to print a new issue of "The Barks Collector". (Message attached below.) Best, Eric -----Original Message----- From: John Nichols [mailto:jnichols at kingston.net] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 5:49 AM Subject: The Barks Collector 43 September 1, 2003 John Nichols Dear Barks fan: Plans for The Barks Collector 43 are well under way. Thanks to those who ordered already. If you want a copy but haven't yet reserved, please let me know and I'll put you on our list. No money now, just tell me you'll want one. COST AND FORMAT: The Barks Collector 43 will cost $10 and shipping (probably $3). We will do either 100 or 150 copies, with each copy numbered. This will be the entire run, and the issue will never be reprinted. We are not selling to stores. LETTERS COLUMN: Send your letter for inclusion in our Letters Column. I'd especially like to hear from you "old timers" (you know who you are)- Re- your thoughts on the question "Will Barks collecting survive us?" In other words- when we're gone, will the hobby go with us? What will the nature of the hobby be in 50 years? Or will it die out with us 'baby boomers' ? SOLICITATION FOR ARTICLES- You may never see your name in lights, but you can certainly see it in print. How? Just send your Duckie article for inclusion in TBC 43- Original articles only please. TBC 43 will be all new material, with no reprints from past issues. GENERAL COMMENTS: Plans are to continue TBC past issue #43, with very limited runs on each issue, probably no more than 100 or 150 copies. You're invited to send in your letters for inclusion in our Letters Column. You're also invited to submit articles for inclusion in TBC. Thanks for reading- Please email us if you'll want a copy of TBC 43. Till next time, John Nichols _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From dve at kabelfoon.nl Thu Sep 4 00:43:34 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 00:43:34 +0200 Subject: Dangerous Glomgold and Beagle Boys Inc. Message-ID: <20030903222714.152D3BE688@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> MACIEK KUR to me, 03-09-2003: >> In "So Far and No Safari" (US 61), [Flintheart Glomgold] tries to kill >> the Ducks by literally BOMBING them. > Maby dis is aut of subject but Glomgold tries to kil the Duck's in > Don Rosa story "Last Lord of Eldorado" by pushing Big rock on them. > Beagle Boys and Magica (and maby even Jhon. Rockerduck) woud never do > somthing like dies. In Barks's 'The Doom Diamond' (US 70), the Beagle Boys Inc. leave the Ducks on a raft, doomed in a typhoon on the ocean. On their way back to Duckburg, they hear a radio message which tells that Scrooge McDuck, the financier, is presumed lost in a terrible storm the South Pacific. Unless he returns shortly, Duckburg officials will remove his vast fortune to Fort Knox. The Beagle Boys conclude that their trained falcons/bluejays won't be able to steal pints of Scrooge's money every day. They turn the ship around, to "Find Scrooge before it's TOO LATE!" This is rather odd motive to save the Ducks' lifes. The Beagle Boys don't show any emotion nor sentiment for the Ducks themselves. So, I'm not so sure if the Beagle Boys would never do something like killing the Ducks... --- Dani?l "Awk! Stubbed my toe!" From dve at kabelfoon.nl Thu Sep 4 00:53:23 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 00:53:23 +0200 Subject: Is Gladstone no Scrooge heir? Message-ID: <20030903223657.AD72019FBC1@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> In Barks's "The Doom Diamond" (US 70), the Duckburg officials plan to remove Scrooge's fortune to Fort Knox, presuming him lost in a terrible storm the South Pacific. There's no mention of Donald and the nephews as being Scrooge's heirs. A reason could be that they may be presumed lost, too. But there's no mention of Gladstone Gander at all, either... This seems to mean that Gladstone is not considered a heir of Scrooge, at least not inherently. --- Dani?l From dve at kabelfoon.nl Thu Sep 4 01:09:27 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 01:09:27 +0200 Subject: Dialogue censoring in The Doom Diamond? Message-ID: <20030903225320.0CEEFBE678@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> In panel 5.7 of Barks's "The Doom Diamond" (US 70), there seems to be a dialogue change. At least to my eyes, checking The Carl Barks Library reprint. Srooge says: "I've got other terrible weapons I'm building, lads! This ship will be a tiger of the seas when we finally sail!" The words "weapons I'm building" (and maybe also "lads") look different to me. Since there's a reference to weapons, I'm wondering if the dialogue was censored by Western. Does anyone have some comments on this? Is there scan available of the first publication of this panel? --- Dani?l "Ouch! A darn rock fell out of the sky from somewhere!" From dve at kabelfoon.nl Thu Sep 4 01:26:12 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 01:26:12 +0200 Subject: House of Haunts cross-reference Message-ID: <20030903230945.339CDBE6E2@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> According to "The Doom Diamond" (US 70), Beagle Boy 176-176 has learned medicine in prison. Some stories earlier, in "The House of Haunts" (US 63), the Beagle Boys receive their diploma's for finishing their courses in Studio Hours School. (176-176 is professor of encephalography.) This must be a cross-reference. Maybe even more because 176-176 uses the same method in both stories. He taps on Scrooge's head (US 63) and tail (US 70). Is this already mentioned somewhere? --- Dani?l "Yeeeeowch! All at once a swordfish doesn't like me!" From dve at kabelfoon.nl Thu Sep 4 01:55:58 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 01:55:58 +0200 Subject: Barks's Beagle Boys spelling Message-ID: <20030903233930.690C819FB25@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> COA spells "The Beagle Boys". http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/character.php/0/BB In Barks's 'House of Haunts' (US 63), 'Heedless Horseman' (US 65), and 'The Doom Diamond' (US 70) their shirts spell "Beagle Boys Inc." In their first appearance (WDC 143), their shirts spell "Beagle Boys". According to a transcription of a February 25, 1976 Barks letter to Marty and Elouise Martin, published in Geoffrey Blum article "Letters >From the Duck Man Part Eighteen: All Good Things", published in The Carl Barks Library of Walt Disney's Comics and Stories in Color album No. 45, (gasp!), Barks spells "the Beagle Boys". Where does the spelling of "The Beagle Boys" originate from? I haven't taken a look at other Barks stories. I'm having sleepless nights of my reports of getting lost in The Carl Barks Library, every time I open it. Just for that I'm going to throw the whole thing out of the window! :-) --- Dani?l "Let's get away from here, mates!" From dve at kabelfoon.nl Thu Sep 4 04:03:58 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 04:03:58 +0200 Subject: Throwing Barks art out of a window / newly-wed Murphys (WDC 140) Message-ID: <20030904014737.00201BE6DC@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> It isn't just The Carl Barks Library giving me sleepness nights. Donald Ault's book "Carl Barks Conversations" is guilty, too! :-) In my latest email, I though I was funny by ending with a reference to a Barks story in which the newly-wed Murphys are fighting again, the story of Gladstone's mystery (WDC 140), where Gladstone walks past a window and hears the following dialogue: "You're three minutes late for lunch! Just for that I'm going to throw the whole meal out of the window!" This reminded me of some information from a Barks interview by Donald and Lynda Ault, conducted on 13-14 June 1997: DA: Do I remember correctly that you said that your second wife [Clara Balken] used to tear up your comic books or something? CD: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, well, she started out doing my blacking, solid blacks, and even ink the borders around the panels. DA: Your second wife did this? CB: Yeah, she did that for a while. And she had a--she came from a family that had a long record of alcoholism. And she just loved the taste of liquor. And so she kept drinking more and more, and finally she just got to the point that she was hostile and half crazy. And she would tear up my comic books and my drawings if I didn't get them out of sight. I had to just be walking on eggshells around her because you never knew what time she would start being hostile and want to tear something up. DA: So she actually did tear up some of your pages? CB: Yes, well, I can't remember of her ever tearing up a finished one that had all been inked and everything, but she did tear up one or two that were just in the beginning stages, the pencil sketches. But she did take one of my whole 10-pages stories after I'd practically finished it and threw it outside. Thank God it was not muddy or wet out there--they all landed in the dirt. DA: About what year was this? CB: It was around the late 1940s. Source: Donald Ault - Carl Barks Conversations, page 181 and 182. In the book, the above mentioned part continues with Ault and Barks talking about a connection between this and Barks's most experimental stories of that time, but that's another matter. I'm getting tired of typing. :-) I hope I didn't make any typos, by the way. (ALWAYS BEWARE OF THAT!) To my (sleepy) eyes, the fighting newly-wed Murphys scene in WDC 140 looks like an autobiographical reference to the above described events. Mrs. Murphy threw out a whole meal. Clara threw out a whole 10-pager. According to Donald Ault's chronology in "Carl Barks Conversations", Barks's second marriage began in 1938, broke up in 1950-1951, and the divorce was declared final in December 1951. The story with the fighting Murphys was accepted on 23 August 1951. There are instances of (possible) autobiographical references to this second marriage and divorce. For example, "The Golden Helmet" with the annoying lawyer was accepted on 3 December 1951, around the time of the divorce. Barks also has portayed some rather mean, unreasonable and agressive women in (mostly) his 1940s and early-1950s stories. Maybe these women also were inspired by the circumstances of the second marriage? In fact, are there *any* kind, warm, reasonable women in Barks's stories of the 1940s and early-1950s? That would be quite quiz for me! At the moment, I can only think of Grandma Duck. Two notes: - This email is about Barks's *second* wife, not to be confused with his third (and last) wife Gar? Barks. This marriage lasted until Gar?'s death in 1993. - Clara Balken died in 1964(?). According to Barks, "it was alcohol that killed her and it took 13 years to do it." (All those years Barks paid $250 a month alimony, "and she used it to buy more booze. Eventually she just died of cirrhosis of the liver.") Guess from which interview, and interview book I took that quote. Do I really need to say it again? :-) --- Dani?l the Spam-Spam-Spammer P.S. All jokes aside. This email is fully my own initiave and opinion. I'm really so favourable of Ault's book "Carl Barks Conversations". And also, the more people who buy it, the more likely new books about Barks will be written and published. So, yes, BUY this darned book, and have some sleepness Barks-nights, too! :-) From dve at kabelfoon.nl Thu Sep 4 04:35:52 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 04:35:52 +0200 Subject: Mrs. Murphy vs. Mr. Murphy Message-ID: <20030904021937.BFA01BE6AB@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> In my previous email I wrote that Mrs. Murphy threw out a whole meal. The story (WDC 140) doesn't state that it is Mrs. Murphy, but in those days it was mostly the wife who did the cooking, I'm told. (Nowadays, the *men* always do that.) To avoid any protests I want to mention that principally speaking it could have been Mister Murphy who threw the food out of the window. (Principally because *men* don't do such things, of course.) Disclaimer: This email has not been set-up to upset women. Any comment that looks that way, is a typo or a distortion in the transmission. :-P --- Dani?l "Men! I hate 'em!" (Which Barks story?) :-) From are.myklebust at f1101.aetat.no Thu Sep 4 08:37:38 2003 From: are.myklebust at f1101.aetat.no (Myklebust,Are) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 08:37:38 +0200 Subject: Throwing Barks art out of a window Message-ID: Hi Daniel - and others! A photo of Carl Barks and his second wife Clara is for the moment offered on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2188651300&category=144 I have no idea where it comes from. Best, Are Myklebust From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Thu Sep 4 11:53:25 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 11:53:25 +0200 Subject: Barks's Beagle Boys spelling References: <20030903233930.690C819FB25@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Message-ID: <002201c372ca$628eecc0$08d6fdc1@computer> Dani?l: >>>In Barks's 'House of Haunts' (US 63), 'Heedless Horseman' (US 65), >>>and 'The Doom Diamond' (US 70) their shirts spell "Beagle Boys Inc." >>>In their first appearance (WDC 143), their shirts spell "Beagle Boys". I don't remember noticing the name change (dropping/adding the "Inc"). I like the idea of thieves registering as a legit business company, it's quite funny. Union rules was suggested in the recent quote from "The Too-Safe Safe" about disturbing old ladies. My favorite fully-unionized organized crime society gag in Barks' stories is the running gag in "The Statu Seeker" (U$ 41, March '63, CBLiC U$A album 39): - (p 6 panel 5) "Burglars, Thugs, and Pirates Union, Local No 6 1/2" - (p 6 panel 6) secretary - (p 7 panels 1-2): "Yes, hiring those Beagle Boys will give your job *status*, sir!" "You mean there are status symbols in this business, too?" "Oh, yes, indeed!" "Well, come along, you status sumbols! I hadn't expected to be *proud* of this job!" - (p 13 panels 3-4): "The sub ecaped! all I get for following that old duck is a *goose egg*!" "We Beagle Boys have got to be paid with better wages than goose eggs!" "We're *union pirates*! We demand the union scale!" Even though it's for a the sake of the status gags, this suggests the Beagle Boys are not petty thieves but are recognized as "tops" (p 6 panel 7). This may seem in contradiction with the fact we always see them fail. Actually, they do succeed in robbing Scrooge several times, in quiet ingenious ways; it's just that the ducks manage to get the money back. Other Beagle gags I love: - the baptizing of the "Beagle Boys" gang in L&T chapter 2 ("The Mardi Gras Gang", ...) - "Scram! We ain't got your dang *chickens*! Besides, you got no *proof*!" etc (L&T chapter 10, p 7) >>> I haven't taken a look at other Barks stories. I'm having sleepless >>> nights of my reports of getting lost in The Carl Barks Library, every >>> time I open it. Just for that I'm going to throw the whole thing out >>> of the window! :-) Throw it my way! throw it my way! ;) Olivier ( "Oink"? We didn't hear no "oink"! ) From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Thu Sep 4 12:00:08 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 12:00:08 +0200 Subject: Mrs. Murphy vs. Mr. Murphy References: <20030904021937.BFA01BE6AB@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Message-ID: <002f01c372cb$52e3e360$08d6fdc1@computer> >>> Disclaimer: This email has not been set-up to upset women. Any comment >>> that looks that way, is a typo or a distortion in the transmission. :-P Of course ;) >>> "Men! I hate 'em!" >>> (Which Barks story?) :-) Answer in the PS Olivier PS If I remember correctly, the trick is that it's actually a bird saying that, a parrot or something. Maybe in the ten-dollar bill story, when Donald tries to find who lost the bill his nephews found in the street. Yup, that's it - WDC&S 63, DEc '45 (WDC&S LiC album 7) From Joakim.Gunnarsson at egmont.se Thu Sep 4 12:41:18 2003 From: Joakim.Gunnarsson at egmont.se (Gunnarsson, Joakim SE - HMJ) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 12:41:18 +0200 Subject: Barks and Clara photo Message-ID: <91E2BD72AB8BD3119FFB00508B55F07E0123DC1B@mmahmjd1-xch01.hmj.egmont.com> > Are wrote: > A photo of Carl Barks and his second wife Clara is for the moment offered > on ebay: > I have no idea where it comes from. > > My guess is that it comes from his former managers. /Joakim. From lpj at forfatter.dk Thu Sep 4 15:23:44 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 15:23:44 +0200 Subject: need digest v. 7 #3 Message-ID: <01f301c372e9$50b520e0$81469dd9@idb3156> Mike Rhode wrote: > Can someone sent me digest v. 7 #3 directly? I just did. Lars From dve at kabelfoon.nl Thu Sep 4 16:55:06 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 16:55:06 +0200 Subject: Barks and Clara photo Message-ID: <20030904143838.DB50BBE90C@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> JOAKIM GUNNARSSON to ARE MYKLEBUST, 04-09-2003: >> A photo of Carl Barks and his second wife Clara is for the moment >> offered on ebay: >> I have no idea where it comes from. > My guess is that it comes from his former managers. Why do you think so? Do you think this by default when you don't know the seller, or do you really have more information? Anyway, the reason why I'm replying to this is that in the past, I have been wrongful accused of willing association and cooperation with these managers. That accusation is NONSENSE of the worst kind, so I should forget about it. Still, your email makes me nervous. There might be some poor souls around who'll imagine that my email about Barks's second wife is a proof of such a connection, just because someone else mentions a possible(?) connection between my subject and those Ebay-sellers... And really, I'm not kidding! So, in short: - I have NO idea who these sellers are. - I have NO idea who Barks's managers are. The only "contact" I've had with the Carl Barks Studio, was a package of promotional material that has been sent to me, because I wanted to know what exactly Barks was creating at the time. (No strange motive for a Barks fan, I'd say.) And for that reason, my name and then-current address seems to have been put in their files, because I received some material afterwards. (About a Marc Davis Studio they tried to set up, and some odd other papers.) This was after Barks left, and I did not ask for it. I have NEVER made a secret of that, and I have always been an open book about the material I have recieved. EVERYONE could have had this "contact" that easily. And some of their "extra" information has made me quite nervous, by the way. Ironically, and to push the obvious even further, I was on holiday in Spain when Barks and his managers visited The Netherlands! But of course, that could be just too much of a coincidence, some might say. Others may see that I get half-crazy when thinking of those accusations which have deeply hurt me. I have NEVER been more than just a guy with an internet-connection and some Barks books. What can I do? I can't even hurt a fly! --- Dani?l the Parano?d Monk From comicchar_shop at yahoo.com Thu Sep 4 19:25:12 2003 From: comicchar_shop at yahoo.com (dennis books) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 1984 DISNEY CALENDAR featuring DONALD DUCK Message-ID: <20030904172512.38145.qmail@web12007.mail.yahoo.com> Hello... Wondering if any one can send me a colored copy of the above calendar cover. I have the original artwork but it may never have been produced. It shows Donald through the ages, progressing from the Wise Little Hen to hitting the Mickey Mouse Club gong. It includes a Sheriff of Bullet Valley image which is a perfect copy of Barks' work. My artwork has twelve empty rectangles in the center, i assume for a miniature of each months image. If i had those images i could cut them out and place them in the rectangles surrounded by the original art. Thanks for any help...Dennis --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030904/e32e799c/attachment.html From cien2 at cbn.net.id Thu Sep 4 20:51:38 2003 From: cien2 at cbn.net.id (Arie Fachrisal) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 01:51:38 +0700 Subject: Beagle Boys: fail criminals or famed ones? References: <200309041001.h84A1LaJ025703@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <002701c37315$94fe3120$22769eca@cien2> > From: "Olivier" > Even though it's for a the sake of the status gags, this suggests the > Beagle Boys are not petty thieves but are recognized as "tops" (p 6 panel > 7). > This may seem in contradiction with the fact we always see them fail. > Actually, they do succeed in robbing Scrooge several times, in quiet > ingenious ways; it's just that the ducks manage to get the money back. I tend to agree with this thinking. In Barks' stories, Scrooge has been shown to consider the Beagle Boys as his worthy adversaries. The modern incarnation of how Beagle Boys failed at even the simplest crimes is uneasy to read and enjoy whole-heartedly, though some of them are good and brings out good laugh sometimes. the Beagle Boys' gag (or should i say the gag "about" BB and US) i like most is in "The Round Money Bin" story. U$: "They outsmarted me somehow, but tomorrow is another day." DD: "Oh yeah! Tomorrow YOU'LL outsmart them! Then THEY'LL have to outsmart YOU again! Poor guys!" Keep On Outsmarting, Arie Fachrisal who's looking for volunteers to be outsmarted. From dve at kabelfoon.nl Fri Sep 5 05:08:12 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 05:08:12 +0200 Subject: Scrooge's fortune / rehabilitated Beagle Boys Inc. / Grease Corps Message-ID: <20030905030420.A0F2819FBDD@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> In panel 20.4 of "The Giant Robot Robbers" (US 58), Scrooge estimates that he has to pay 30 billion dollars and concludes that'll take most of one of the giant buckets of his money. According to panel 12.4, there are at least seven buckets of money in the story. This could make the story one of the few that seem give some indication of Scrooge's (minimum) fortune, so to speak. In panel 20.5, Mayor Hogwilde sends the Beagle Boys back to prison "to be REHABILITATED again!" The reminds me of the ending of "The House of Haunts" (US 63), where a judge sentences them to be re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-REhabilitated AGAIN!" In previous panel 20.4 of "House of Haunts", the famous Mrs. Justice emblem is satirized. (I don't know what the real name is.) Earlier, on panel 13.5, a poster is shown with a fat pig-face and the texts "Join the Grease Corps!" and "Eat fat sikles". I think that Grease Corps must be a pun on the Peace Corps, a movement which Barks satirized in "A Spicy Tale" (US 39). BTW. I love panel 13.7, with "ghost" Scrooge making a statement about his past life, and next to Scrooge a cat which seems to look a bit silly at him. I like the balance of this panel. It makes Scrooge's statement about his death a bit softer, while adding some fun to it. The pair looks rather laughable to me, at least. On previous panel 13.6, Scrooge's hat being put on his tail(!) also seems to soften the dramatic scene a bit, while adding some fun. --- Dani?l "Hey! I said I wanted a MILLION - not a MILLIONAIRE!" (US 58) From dve at kabelfoon.nl Fri Sep 5 04:13:01 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 04:13:01 +0200 Subject: Monkey Business (WDC 297) Message-ID: <20030905030419.6F38C19FA69@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> On Discovery Channel, I saw a snippet of a documentary about the Chinese dictator Moa. It contained b/w (1950s?) footage of people having to hunt for sparrows, which were considered a plague. The people were shaking the trees, so the sparrows couldn't land on the branches. And others were shooting at the sparrows with guns and slingshots. This sparrow plague reminded me of Barks's art-only "Monkey Business" (WDC 297), in which Scrooge telephones King Jambok of Siambodia to help him get rid of a plague of ricebirds raiding the country's rice paddies. During the story, King Subgum of Upper Malaria tries to invade country Siambodia. He's mad because the Siambodian ricebirds begin to raid *his* countries rice paddies. I didn't realise that the story apparently has a real-life connection with bird plagues in Asian countries. Is there more to discover? Does the story refer to some actual toys, countries, and events in particular? (Submission date is 16 November 1964.) Some other notes/observations: Panel 2.6 shows a picture of a duckling coming out of an egg, basically resembling the looks of one of Donald's nephews. Panel 3.7 refers to statues in Duckburg's McMallard Park. One statue looks like Napoleon. I don't know if the other resembles a real person. (Does it?) Panel 5.7 shows the Royal Nightingales of Siambodia. They have to witness the payment of Scrooge, to make the deal legal in Siambodia. There's a fairy tale about a Chinese nightingale, by Hans Christian Andersen. Is there also a connection with real-life Chinese/Asian traditions of kings or emperors? Could Barks have known the Andersen fairy tale? In panel 6.5, King Jambok substracts another five gallons of diamonds for an army to defend Siambodia's rice fields. Scrooge then thinks: "What I could say right now about RICE wouldn't be nice!" Is there a gag in here, other than just the rhyming sound? In panel 9.2, King Jambok is angry about the plague returning and wants to let Scrooge pay, because he's "the only guy that can afford the damages!" On the last page of "The Giant Robot Robbers" (US 58), Mayor Hogwilde says: "SOMEBODY has to PAY for the damage to those man-robots - and YOU'RE the only guy rich enough, McDuck!" So, together with "The Doom Diamond" (US 70), Scrooge has had to cope with at least three situations in which leaders are eager to demand access to his fortune. Panel 2.5 shows a picture of a dinner bell being served as dinner. This is a background detail. In panel 8.5, royal gongs and dinner bells are mentioned, this time as part of the story. --- Dani?l "Hey! Somethin's makin' SENSE!" (Which Barks story?) From m_schartau at hotmail.com Fri Sep 5 10:18:43 2003 From: m_schartau at hotmail.com (Michael Schartau) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 10:18:43 +0200 Subject: Kalevala beats DD Message-ID: In todays free Stockholm newspaper "Stocholm City" you can se a headline "Kalevala sp?ar Kalle Anka" (Kalevala beats Donald Duck). Today is the opening of "Kaevala" on the stage of Stockholm City Theatre. Donald Duck is not mentioned in the article. /Michael -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030905/f8ef6b76/attachment.html From j.kamer at wxs.nl Fri Sep 5 10:45:12 2003 From: j.kamer at wxs.nl (Rolf van de Kamer) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 10:45:12 +0200 Subject: Terrible weapons (US 70) Message-ID: <000d01c3738a$58815d60$c72979c3@uw4r9102ztk0rg> In my copy of the Gold Key 10038-707 (july 1967) Doom Diamond story, Scrooge says on panel 5/6 exactly what is quoted by Dani?l. Indeed, in a slightly different/smaller lettering-type. I don't know the reason, other than seek out eagle-eyed readers ! :) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030905/259926a6/attachment.html From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Fri Sep 5 16:11:21 2003 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 16:11:21 +0200 Subject: Monkey Business (WDC 297) Message-ID: <0DD8055E0FECF744B5FF8053F80C4A2DE75A80@l07.oase.research.kpn.com> Dani?l wrote: > On Discovery Channel, I saw a snippet of a documentary about > the Chinese dictator Moa. And I nitpickingly correct: I think you mean Mao. His full name in the currently used transcription is Mau Zedong. --Harry. From UNDBKB at aol.com Fri Sep 5 16:41:18 2003 From: UNDBKB at aol.com (UNDBKB@aol.com) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 10:41:18 EDT Subject: Barks and wife photograph Message-ID: In a message dated 9/5/03 3:05:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dcml-request at stp.ling.uu.se writes: > >> A photo of Carl Barks and his second wife Clara is for the moment > >> offered on ebay: > >> I have no idea where it comes from. > > > My guess is that it comes from his former managers. > > Why do you think so? Do you think this by default when you don't know > the seller, or do you really have more information? > The sellers are indeed his former managers, they sell under the name > "gildedegg" It seems a little bizaare that they would have this in, as they say,"Their collection" I wonder how much of their "collection" was accumulated while working for Barks? It certainly is an unusual piece but not what most Barks collectors want. I would much prefer to own a piece of Barks memorabilia that Barks gave me than to buy this from former managers who were discharged ebay link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2188651300&category=144 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030905/0a31d1c9/attachment.html From reimersholme at hotmail.com Fri Sep 5 17:30:36 2003 From: reimersholme at hotmail.com (Stefan Persson) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 17:30:36 +0200 Subject: Monkey Business (WDC 297) Message-ID: >From: >To: >Subject: RE: Monkey Business (WDC 297) >Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 16:11:21 +0200 >Dani?l wrote: > > > On Discovery Channel, I saw a snippet of a documentary about > > the Chinese dictator Moa. > >And I nitpickingly correct: > >I think you mean Mao. His full name in the currently used transcription is >Mau Zedong. And I nitpickingly correct: I think you mean chairman Mao. His full name in the transcription currently used in English is Mao Zedong. Stefan _________________________________________________________________ L?ttare att hitta dr?mresan med MSN Resor http://www.msn.se/resor/ From sigvald at duckburg.dk Fri Sep 5 22:30:12 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 22:30:12 +0200 Subject: DvE and Mao Tse Tung Message-ID: <200309052030.h85KUCCZ045940@webmail.dht.dk> Daniel van Eijmeren wrote: > On Discovery Channel, I saw a snippet of a > documentary about the Chinese dictator Moa. FYI. The man was named Mao (*not* Moa) Tse Tung. He died in 1976 after being Chinas communist dictator since 1949. Many left-wingers in Europe and other places were and still are inspired by him. Once, I think it was during the Korean-war, he described the US nuclear weapons as paper-dragons. Sigvald From sigvald at duckburg.dk Fri Sep 5 22:36:48 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 22:36:48 +0200 Subject: Swedish??? Message-ID: <200309052036.h85Kam4O045950@webmail.dht.dk> Michael Schartau wrote: > In todays free Stockholm newspaper "Stocholm > City" you can se a headline "Kalevala sp?ar > Kalle Anka" (Kalevala beats Donald Duck). What is this "sp?ar" word? Is it some strange Stockholmish dialect word? AFAIK the correct Swedish word here wold be "sl?r" or "?verg?r". Sigvald From sigvald at duckburg.dk Fri Sep 5 22:45:46 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 22:45:46 +0200 Subject: SV: RE: Monkey Business (WDC 297) Message-ID: <200309052045.h85KjkEQ045961@webmail.dht.dk> H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl wrote: > And I nitpickingly correct: > > I think you mean Mao. His full name in the > currently used transcription is Mau Zedong. No! Mao should AFAIK be written with an O in the end. So the currently used transcription should be MaO Zedong. The same way the name of the Chinese capital "Peking" has been changed to "Beijing". The name of the dog-race "Pekingneser" has AFAIK *not* be renamed to "Beijingneser" though! Sigvald From 9729 at lyskom.lysator.liu.se Fri Sep 5 22:50:03 2003 From: 9729 at lyskom.lysator.liu.se (Magnus Bark (Farbror Skojskoj, en av de tjocka farbröderna) @ DCML (-) Disney Comics Mailing List (import & export)) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 16:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Swedish??? In-Reply-To: <200309052036.h85Kam4O045950@webmail.dht.dk> Message-ID: <10645112..Exportoeren.1062795003-79001125@kom.lysator.liu.se> According to the official Swedish Dictionary, , the word "sp?a" has been used in the context "to beat someone" (or "lash, scourge") since the early 19th century. quack, Magnus Bark, Swedish Donaldist / Magnus Bark (Farbror Skojskoj, en av de tjocka farbr?derna) Previous text: >2003-09-05 22:39: >Subject: Swedish??? >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >Michael Schartau wrote: > >> In todays free Stockholm newspaper "Stocholm >> City" you can se a headline "Kalevala sp?ar >> Kalle Anka" (Kalevala beats Donald Duck). > >What is this "sp?ar" word? Is it some strange Stockholmish dialect word? >AFAIK the correct Swedish word here wold be "sl?r" or "?verg?r". > >Sigvald >_______________________________________________ >http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml > > > / Brevb?raren > From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sat Sep 6 00:31:36 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 00:31:36 +0200 Subject: Barks and wife photograph Message-ID: <20030905221505.120EABE803@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> UNDBKB, 05-09-2003: > It certainly is an unusual piece but not what most Barks collectors want. > I would much prefer to own a piece of Barks memorabilia that Barks gave > me than to buy this from former managers who were discharged Just to state the obvious: I fully agree! And I can only hope that they don't maliciously benefit from the silence around them. Some people who know more about the situation, have publicly stated it's too painful to talk about. But if I wouldn't have been *told* about their identity, there would have been *no way* to know that they're on Ebay. Someone may just think "let's bid", unaware of the strange origin. And maybe there are already quite some people who cherish material that they'd rather not have obtained in such an odd way. I'm deeply sorry if this email already is too much. I have this question for years, so I finally would like to ask it. I'm rather worried and upset about reading this news. I can't resist thinking of these "ex-managers" as persons who possibly are laughing their pants off, while other people can't stand the pain looking at it. --- Dani?l From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sat Sep 6 04:32:56 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 04:32:56 +0200 Subject: The Unsafe Safe (US 38) and Monty Python Message-ID: <20030906021636.DDF8FBE646@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> OLIVIER to me, 01-09-2003 >> I think the sudden, zany ending is part of the fun in a lot of Barks's >> stories with Magica. She seems to try to be impressive, but when she >> gets frustrated she's humiliated, hissing, snarling, and not so sexy >> anymore. Well, the latter is a matter of taste, of course. :-) > Point taken. But in the "Unsafe Safe" [US 38] story it seemed too quick; > the ducks arrive, the stunner sputters, and that's all. Maybe it struck > me more because I was simply skimming over the story. This reminds me of the all-of-a-sudden ending of Monty Python's movie "The Holy Grail", where the inspector says "Move along. There's nothing to see! Keep moving!", just before walking over to the camera and putting his hand over the lens. "The Unsafe Safe" suddenly is ended by the policeman running into the scene, saying to Magica: "Miss! Miss! You'll have to cut that out! A little old lady across the street has COMPLAINED ABOUT THE NOISE!" Both the story and the movie have scenes that predict that the interruption of the police might happen at some point. It's not the first time that the policeman runs into the story, and in "The Holy Grail" there are police patrolmen investigating throughout the film. http://www.montypythonpages.com/SSSS/holy.htm What do you think of this? According to DCML-information, Monty Python's Terry Gilliam has indicated that he was a big fan of Carl barks' work, in a BBC interview: Terry Gilliam a Barks fan - Rob Klein http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2000-November/013904.html Re: Terry Gilliam a Barks fan - Daniel van Eijmeren http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2000-November/013910.html There's a Scrooge-like merchant banker sketch by Monty Python's Flying Circus, in their untitled 30th episode aired on 9 November 1972. It looks like a real-life visit to Scrooge's office, destinied to leave by way of a trap door. This reminded me of a scene in Barks's "The Golden River" (US 20). Here's a transcription of that sketch: http://www.montypythonpages.com/sketches/merchbnk.htm A City Gent, who reasons even heavier than Scrooge, pulls a lever opening a trap door under a visitor's feet, who falls through with a yelp. --- Dani?l "No, no, no, I don't follow this at all, I mean, I don't want to seem stupid but it looks to me as though I'm a pound down on the whole deal." (Merchant banker Charman Knebter, responding to a collector for charity) From pyas at swipnet.se Sat Sep 6 12:44:59 2003 From: pyas at swipnet.se (Stefan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Di=F6s?=) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 12:44:59 +0200 Subject: Swedish?? In-Reply-To: <200309061001.h86A0hkW009119@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20030906123402.020aa900@janus.swip.net> >According to the official Swedish Dictionary, >, the word "sp?a" has been used in >the context "to beat someone" (or "lash, scourge") since the early >19th century. > >quack, > >Magnus Bark, >Swedish Donaldist Quite so, and since 1935 figuratively as "conquer, defeat", which no doubt is the meaning in this case. This date is given in Nationalencyklopediens Ordbok. It is not marked as a dialect word, although Svenska Akademiens Ordlista labels it "colloquial". All in all, I think it fits much better in this headline than any of the words Sigvald suggested, even though I should have preferred the article to explain why the connection with the Duck was indicated. Thank you for your profound interest in our language. Stefan Dios Malmo, Sweden From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sat Sep 6 17:35:06 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 17:35:06 +0200 Subject: P.S. (Re: Barks and wife photograph) Message-ID: <20030906151835.102DEBEA9E@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Earlier today, I wrote: > But if I wouldn't have been *told* about their identity, there would > have been *no way* to know that they're on Ebay. And, of course, I meant: But if I wouldn't have been *told* about their identity, there would (IMO) have been *no way* to reasonably *suspect* that they're on Ebay, unless there's more information on pages that (for example) require registration. (Are there any?) At least, I didn't get any hint while looking at the auction of the 1938 photo that has been mentioned here on DCML. I know I would have thought of just a relative/anchestor of the photographer, or Barks's second wife, to mention just two examples. BTW. On "Sep-04-03 at 09:39:51 PDT", seller added information about being "ATTACKED" by a bidder. (Or something like that.) I don't know anything else than what has been mentioned on that page. (See link below.) And, more important, I have NO opinion about it. As I've already stated, I'm just an outsider who's watching (and only sometimes reporting) what's going on. You may know a lot more than me, as *always*. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2188651300&category=144 --- Dani?l From lpj at forfatter.dk Sat Sep 6 20:08:13 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 20:08:13 +0200 Subject: DvE and Mao Tse Tung Message-ID: <003e01c374a2$22b33640$81469dd9@idb3156> Sigvald Grøsfjeld jr. wrote: > Many left-wingers in Europe and other places were and still are > inspired by [Mao Tse Tung]. Sigvald, please don't post these off-topic and potentially inflammatory statements on the DCML. Thank you. Lars From reimersholme at hotmail.com Sun Sep 7 15:53:51 2003 From: reimersholme at hotmail.com (Persson Stefan) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 15:53:51 +0200 Subject: SV: RE: Monkey Business (WDC 297) Message-ID: >From: "Sigvald Grfjeld jr." >Reply-To: "Sigvald Grfjeld jr." >To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se >Subject: SV: RE: Monkey Business (WDC 297) >Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 22:45:46 +0200 >No! Mao should AFAIK be written with an O in the end. So the currently used >transcription should be MaO Zedong. Correct. >The same way the name of the Chinese >capital "Peking" has been changed to "Beijing". Wrong: the name of the city currently being the Chinese capital has always been ??: the spelling has not changed. And the change in transcription system (Peking -> Beijing) doesn't have anything to do with the Mao/Mau case: ? is transcribed as "Mao" using both systems. Stefan _________________________________________________________________ ????????????????? MSN Hotmail http://www.hotmail.com/ From reimersholme at hotmail.com Sun Sep 7 16:07:47 2003 From: reimersholme at hotmail.com (Stefan Persson) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 16:07:47 +0200 Subject: DEi and Mao Tse Tung Message-ID: >From: "Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr." >Reply-To: "Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr." >To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se >Subject: DvE and Mao Tse Tung >Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 22:30:12 +0200 >He died in 1976 after being >Chinas communist dictator since 1949. No, he was the chairman of the communist party, not the dictator, though his position was more like that of a dictator's. Stefan _________________________________________________________________ Hitta r?tt p? n?tet med MSN S?k http://search.msn.se/ From sigvald at duckburg.dk Sun Sep 7 23:16:45 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 23:16:45 +0200 Subject: DvE and Mao Tse Tung Message-ID: <200309072116.h87LGjRM052950@webmail.dht.dk> Lars Jensen wrote: >> Many left-wingers in Europe and other places >> were and still are inspired by [Mao Tse Tung]. > > Sigvald, please don't post these off-topic and > potentially inflammatory statements on the > DCML. Thank you. Even though my statement above wasn't meant as anything but additional information, I will try to follow your kind request. Sigvald From sigvald at duckburg.dk Sun Sep 7 23:34:10 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 23:34:10 +0200 Subject: SV: Re: DEi and Mao Tse Tung Message-ID: <200309072134.h87LYAwV053011@webmail.dht.dk> Stefan Persson wrote: >> He died in 1976 after being Chinas communist >> dictator since 1949. > > No, he was the chairman of the communist party, > not the dictator, though his position was more > like that of a dictator's. Even though my statement above wasn't meant as anything but additional information, I will try to follow your kind request. Interesting! Very interesting statement indeed, Stefan! Based upon the assumption that you are consistent, this mean that you oppose the political correct Scandinavian medias which most of the time refers to leaders as Franco (Spain) and Pinochet (Chile) as dictators even though these leaders were like boy scouts compared to other leaders like Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot when comparing how many people that were killed as a result of their leadership. Or is there another definition of the term "dictator"? PS! I think this last question makes this slightly on-topic as a definition of the term "dictator" could help us to decide whether Brutopia is a dictatorship or not. Sigvald From cord at wiljes.de Sun Sep 7 23:58:59 2003 From: cord at wiljes.de (Cord Wiljes) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 23:58:59 +0200 Subject: AW: DEi and Mao Tse Tung In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000101c3758b$3e47c260$0101a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> Hi all: This is just a short reminder that we can talk about politics on http://www.dcml-talk.org "Hail to Wahn Beeg Rhat, dictator of all the happy people -- happy or not!" Cord From longtom at oeste.com.ar Mon Sep 8 03:32:00 2003 From: longtom at oeste.com.ar (Fabio Blanco) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 22:32:00 -0300 Subject: DEi and Mao Tse Tung References: <000101c3758b$3e47c260$0101a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> Message-ID: <001c01c375a9$01f0ffc0$f87d37c8@fabio> > Hi all: > > This is just a short reminder that we can talk about politics on > > http://www.dcml-talk.org yeaahh, sure. Be a dictator is in relation with how much people died by they? Because I always think USA was a democracy... hey, hey, blame Sigvald. He began, teacher!! :-P FABIO Viva la Revolucion! Muera Batista!! From fernandopventura at uol.com.br Mon Sep 8 03:54:47 2003 From: fernandopventura at uol.com.br (Fernando Ventura) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 22:54:47 -0300 Subject: Lost Samples... Message-ID: <001c01c375ac$30998ce0$8aa0fea9@usuario> Hi! Long time ago someone posted here images from the Egmont-manga version of some Barks' stories! Someone has still this samples? I'd like to see it again! So, if somenone have it...please, send to my e-mail! :-) Thank you so much, Fernando! From dve at kabelfoon.nl Mon Sep 8 08:35:31 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 08:35:31 +0200 Subject: Trick Or Treat Message-ID: <20030908061859.328B2BED4C@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> FRANK BUBACZ to me, 02-09-2003: > [Trick or Treat cartoon] I'm not quite sure, however, about the scene > with the goat. The goat is not in my copy of the short, although the > goat's hair definitely is. Moreover, there's also an "unnatural" > looking cut right before one of the nephews hands Hazel the hairs. So > I guess the gag with the goat was edited out from my TV sourced version > of the film. Maybe somebody else can confirm that this gag is in the > film, i.e. it wasn't Barks' own idea for the comic version? [DD 26] Interesting! FRANK BUBACZ to GERD SYLLWASSCHI, 02-09-2003: >> My DVD version (length 7'56 at 25 fps, ca. 7'10 without credits) >> does not contain the goat scene, either. > For what it's worth, Geoff Blum claims in the CBL that the goat scene > was a Barks addition. So we can probably add it to the list of > differences. There's a possibility that Geoffrey Blum also has seen an edited version, if any at all exists. --- Dani?l From dve at kabelfoon.nl Mon Sep 8 09:01:19 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 09:01:19 +0200 Subject: Witch-Queen Snow White / Harry's trick Message-ID: <20030908064446.44008BED2C@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> SHAD Z to me, 03-09-2003: >> In comics, Disney movie characters are often used in their most >> memorable appearance. Think of [...] The Lion King. In the movie >> the father is killed, and Simba has grown old. In the comics, >> Simba's father is still alive and Simba is still young. > Yeah, but there you are talking about a series/feature based on > the movie. It makes [sense] that the series would be based somehow > during the film, since after the film all the dramatic arcs and > conflicts have been wrapped up. I also meant comic book sequels of movies. I believe there are (for example) Snowy White stories with both the prince and the witch-queen, but I'm not sure. > Here, I'm talking about random appearinces of the Witch Queen as the > villian in a Chip 'n' Dale story, etc. > Anyway, the Queens "old crone" disguise is NOT her "most memorable > appearance," IMHO. Her natural looks are much more interesting and > scary. This is indeed a matter of opinion. I think that the witch-version has more interesting and usable features than the "normal" queen. As witch she can also be used in Chip 'n' Dale stories, for example. --- Dani?l From dve at kabelfoon.nl Mon Sep 8 09:26:37 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 09:26:37 +0200 Subject: FW: The Barks Collector 43 Message-ID: <20030908071002.D2BFDBEDCE@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> ERIC CHUN, 03-09-2003: > John Nichols (Bear Mountain Enterprises) is planning to print a > new issue of "The Barks Collector". (Message attached below.) Thanks for forwarding! > COST AND FORMAT: The Barks Collector 43 will cost $10 and shipping > (probably $3). We will do either 100 or 150 copies, with each copy > numbered. This will be the entire run, and the issue will never be > reprinted. We are not selling to stores. [...] > LETTERS COLUMN: Send your letter for inclusion in our Letters > Column. [...] > SOLICITATION FOR ARTICLES- You may never see your name in lights, > but you can certainly see it in print. How? Just send your Duckie > article for inclusion in TBC 43- Original articles only please. > TBC 43 will be all new material, with no reprints from past issues. How many pages will the issue contain? Will it only contain letters and (not-yet-written?) articles, or will there also be (lots of) unique art? I think $10/$13 for a fanzine is quite a lot of money. I may be wrong, though. At least, I would like to have more information about what I will get, before requesting a copy. I don't care if the issue is numbered. Such numbering only suggests I'll be paying more than needed, just because someone put a number on it. The message asks for thoughts on the question "Will Barks collecting survive us?" I think it's going to be pretty hard if even the fanzines try to keep themselves within "limited editions". And why would they? Just my two cents. And again, I might be wrong. --- Dani?l From dve at kabelfoon.nl Mon Sep 8 09:35:19 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 09:35:19 +0200 Subject: Is Gladstone no Scrooge heir? Message-ID: <20030908071847.E433419FB1C@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> On 4 September 2003, I wrote about The Doom Diamond (US 70): > This seems to mean that Gladstone is not considered a heir of > Scrooge, at least not inherently. Of course, I meant according to this particular story. I'm surprised no one jumped on me. I would have deserved it. There's at least one Barks story in which Gladstone clearly is suggested as Scrooge heir. I'm not going to search the storycode. I feel like talking to myself in public, lately. (Where is everyone?) --- Dani?l From dve at kabelfoon.nl Mon Sep 8 10:03:32 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 10:03:32 +0200 Subject: Beagle Boys Inc. Message-ID: <20030908074657.6B2DD19FAE7@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> OLIVIER to me, 04-09-2003: > [Beagle Boys] I don't remember noticing the name change (dropping/adding > the "Inc"). I like the idea of thieves registering as a legit business > company, it's quite funny. And it has a satirical link to *reality*. Maybe this is one of Barks's many political-sounding jokes? > ["The Status Seeker", US 41] Even though it's for a the sake of the > status gags, this suggests the Beagle Boys are not petty thieves but > are recognized as "tops" (p 6 panel 7). > This may seem in contradiction with the fact we always see them fail. > Actually, they do succeed in robbing Scrooge several times, in quiet > ingenious ways; it's just that the ducks manage to get the money back. Egmont's Beagle Boys series tends to show them as failures. I think this can be funny, but only as long as these adventures keep in balance with stories that show the Beagle Boys as dangerous crooks. If Beagle Boys become failures by default, then stories will not be exciting anymore. Now that I mention exciting stories, maybe Beagle Boys are used too often, as part of Scrooge's (yawn!) often-used standard set of enemies? I think there should be a lot more crooks, instead of just a few familiar ones. And where has the pig villain gone to? Barks created new villians throughout his comic book career, but since his retirement the set of villians has more or less petrified. Why? --- Dani?l From dve at kabelfoon.nl Mon Sep 8 12:59:43 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 12:59:43 +0200 Subject: Only twenty minutes left to go... Message-ID: <20030908104307.406C119FB3F@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> What a silence! Will this very message also remain in read-only mode? Well, maybe I can change that by *threatening* you to write the right answer to this new Barks quote quiz, with its conditions included: "It must be delivered within TWENTY MINUTES, or something DREADFUL will happen!" --- Angelboy 00:19.59, 00:19.58, 00:19.57... From timoro at hotmail.com Mon Sep 8 12:56:46 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 13:56:46 +0300 Subject: Only twenty minutes left to go... Message-ID: Oh, I have to act quickly... :) >"It must be delivered within TWENTY MINUTES, or something DREADFUL >will happen!" Maybe this one is the story, where nephews do errands delivering packages. This is package that Donald takes and it's full of meat for pet lion. Is it the same story? Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ............................... "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ Tilaa nyt Hotmail postit k?nnykk??si! http://www.msn.fi/mobiili/ From dve at kabelfoon.nl Mon Sep 8 13:41:36 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 13:41:36 +0200 Subject: Only twenty minutes left to go... Message-ID: <20030908112500.5DE5419FBD3@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> TIMO RONKAINEN to me, 08-09-2003: > Oh, I have to act quickly... :) I'll give you a few worthy maxims to remember!... The road to succes is a speedway to the go-getter, but a quagmire to the laggard! Let no grass grow on your sidewalks, nor moss between your ears! To the brave belong the fair, and to the brainy, the raise in wages! Be smart! Be active! Be in there pitching! >> "It must be delivered within TWENTY MINUTES, or something DREADFUL >> will happen!" > Maybe this one is the story, where nephews do errands delivering > packages. This is package that Donald takes and it's full of meat > for pet lion. Is it the same story? Yes, it is. (Same for the above quotes.) Code is WDC 203. It's one of all-time my favourites! When I read the story for the first time, I was anxious about terrible dreadful danger might be waiting for the Ducks. People who don't know what dreadful might happen, will have to look up the story themselves. Within twenty minutes! :-) --- Dani?l "Hey! Somethin's makin' SENSE!" (Which Barks story? Hint: "Scram! Do you think you WORK here?") From lschulte at sfstoledo.org Mon Sep 8 13:34:37 2003 From: lschulte at sfstoledo.org (L. Schulte) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 07:34:37 -0400 Subject: Barks, Mao, and the Cold War In-Reply-To: <200309080749.h887lvkU024474@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.1.20030908072437.00a81ea8@10.0.0.8> Sigvald was asked not to let political comments on the DCML, and in general I would agree. The statement in question that many Left-wing intellectuals "went soft" on Mao is correct, even though Mao had a huge number of people executed (estimates vary, but 30-50 million is a good figure). Many on the left looked the other way, as they had done with Stalin. (Remember that both Hitler and Stalin started WW II and were allies.) This is parallel with the softness today towards Castro, whose body count is not as high Certainly Barks was writing and drawing during the Cold War against Communism, and occasionally with things like Brutopia (= brutal utopia, an ironic comment on Stalin's and Mao's brutal 'workers' paradises') his love of freedom and his/Scrooge's support of basic hard-working capitalism are obvious. Certainly most of the stories are apolitical, but now and then his anti-Communism comes through. From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Mon Sep 8 13:38:06 2003 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 13:38:06 +0200 Subject: FYI: Rosa in Holland Message-ID: <0DD8055E0FECF744B5FF8053F80C4A2DE75A85@l07.oase.research.kpn.com> Don Rosa's "Forget It!" (D 2001-095) will be published in the Netherlands in DONALD DUCK EXTRA #13, 2003. (This was the last Rosa story that the Dutch hadn't printed yet - very recent stories excluded. Don: please keep making new ones! 8-) This year's "Extra Donald Duck Extra 7 1/2" (with a.o. Rosa's D 2002-033, "The Dream Of A Lifetime" and Rota's D 2001-135) sold very well. Next year, they plan to have *two* "Extra DD Extras". --Harry. From timoro at hotmail.com Mon Sep 8 13:38:35 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 14:38:35 +0300 Subject: Only twenty minutes left to go... Message-ID: >Yes, it is. (Same for the above quotes.) Code is WDC 203. Well, i recognized it, even though I haven't read it in English original version. Barks' language is dee-licious! >The road to succes is a speedway to the go-getter, but a quagmire to >the laggard! >Let no grass grow on your sidewalks, nor moss between your ears! Timo >"Hey! Somethin's makin' SENSE!" >(Which Barks story? Hint: "Scram! Do you think you WORK here?") Uhmmm.... This one is harder... ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ............................... "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - kaikki yst?v?t klikkauksen p??ss?! Lataa t?st? ilmaiseksi. http://www.msn.fi/viestintapalvelut/Messenger From Gerd.Syllwasschy at web.de Mon Sep 8 13:38:35 2003 From: Gerd.Syllwasschy at web.de (Gerd Syllwasschy) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 13:38:35 +0200 Subject: Only twenty minutes left to go... Message-ID: <200309081138.h88BcZQ17758@mailgate5.cinetic.de> > "It must be delivered within TWENTY MINUTES, or something DREADFUL > will happen!" > > --- Angelboy BTW, I wonder if "AngelFACE" is a nickname or just a slip of the pen. Gerd -- <--cut here--> ______________________________________________________________________________ 38xTestsieger - WEB.DE FreeMail - Deutschlands beste E-Mail Design-Mails - einfach schoenere E-Mails - http://f.web.de/?mc=021129 From SRoweCanoe at aol.com Mon Sep 8 13:41:53 2003 From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe@aol.com) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 07:41:53 EDT Subject: Barks, Mao, and the Cold War Message-ID: <18d.1f27640f.2c8dc501@aol.com> In a message dated 9/8/2003 7:37:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lschulte at sfstoledo.org writes: Sigvald was asked not to let political comments on the DCML, and in general I would agree. The statement in question that many Left-wing intellectuals "went soft" on Mao is correct And many right - wing folks in the USA and Europe were soft on Hitler and Mussolini despite their not too good records too. Barks wrote stories dealing with WW2 too.... Therefore I fail to see your point at all... Steven Rowe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030908/53e92302/attachment.html From pkannine at cc.hut.fi Mon Sep 8 13:45:45 2003 From: pkannine at cc.hut.fi (Petri Kanninen) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 14:45:45 +0300 (EEST) Subject: Lost samples Message-ID: FERNANDO: >Long time ago someone posted here images from the Egmont-manga version of >some Barks' stories! Someone has still this samples? >I'd like to see it again! So, if somenone have it...please, send to my >e-mail! :-) I posted (two years ago!) few pictures of the manga version of Barks' story where DD fools U$ to believe that fish are new currency. And being lazy, I haven't still removed them from the net. You can look at them at http://www.hut.fi/~pkannine/manga1.jpg http://www.hut.fi/~pkannine/manga2.jpg http://www.hut.fi/~pkannine/manga3.jpg -- Petri Kanninen (pkannine at cc.hut.fi) Aku Ankan taskukirja -tietokanta: http://www.perunamaa.net/taskarit/ "AAUGH! It's a half-hour later than it was half an hour ago! Run! Run!" -Calvin From timoro at hotmail.com Mon Sep 8 13:57:13 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 14:57:13 +0300 Subject: Original secondary character's names in I TL 1308-B??? Message-ID: Hi all! I just read a story (I TL 1308-B) published in Finnish Roope-set? mag 9/1985: Zio Paperone e il fumetto perfetto. Rockerduck has a comic book publishing company and he has all the best cartoonists there are. They are working in slave labor conditions in a basement. He pushes his artists and writers to the extreme limit and therefore gets hundreds of pages of comics made. Nice story about "industrial" way of making comics. Perhaps Giorgio Pezzin wrote this story to present his feelings about working for Disney? :-) Or perhaps the other way around? When scrooge tells a true story from his youth, a story that comes straight from his heart, to be made as comic book that book sells much better than Rockerduck's artificial factory tales. In Finnish version these comics artists are translated as real Finnish cartoonists (Tarmo Koisvisto etc.), what about in the original Italian version? Are they perhaps real Italian Disney authors? Scarpa working for Rockerduck? Carpi...? etc? How are they translated in other langauages? Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ............................... "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - kaikki yst?v?t klikkauksen p??ss?! Lataa t?st? ilmaiseksi. http://www.msn.fi/viestintapalvelut/Messenger From longtom at oeste.com.ar Mon Sep 8 14:00:25 2003 From: longtom at oeste.com.ar (Fabio Blanco) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 09:00:25 -0300 Subject: Barks, Mao, and the Cold War References: <5.2.0.9.1.20030908072437.00a81ea8@10.0.0.8> Message-ID: <00e301c37600$d471a100$387e37c8@fabio> Imagine a nightmare where the United Nations say nothing about the Hitler's blitzkrieg and the occupatioon of other countries to take the territory and economy of his people, and you have the world of today where a monster like Bush haven't a decent Captain America to slap his face. Castro have capital punishment, that's bad. But capital punishment is not strange in USA and in the state of the so called president ... Indeed I think he's a fan of the hot seat, he isn't? I think that the world is very soft with Bush... Just another statement on the topic FABIO bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar > The statement in question that many Left-wing intellectuals > "went soft" on Mao is correct, even though Mao had a huge number of people > executed (estimates vary, but 30-50 million is a good figure). Many on the > left looked the other way, as they had done with Stalin. (Remember that > both Hitler and Stalin started WW II and were allies.) This is parallel > with the softness today towards Castro, whose body count is not as high From kyrimis at cti.gr Mon Sep 8 14:00:33 2003 From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 15:00:33 +0300 Subject: Brutopia In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.1.20030908072437.00a81ea8@10.0.0.8> References: <5.2.0.9.1.20030908072437.00a81ea8@10.0.0.8> Message-ID: <3F5C6F61.2030604@cti.gr> L. SCHULTE wrote: > Brutopia (= brutal utopia, For some reason, I always thought that "Brutopia" was a combination of "Brutus" and "utopia". Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr) (WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis) ----- "I often wish I could be as nice as me." ----- From dve at kabelfoon.nl Mon Sep 8 14:18:51 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 14:18:51 +0200 Subject: Barks, Mao, and the Cold War Message-ID: <20030908120214.C795DBE707@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> L. SCHULTE, 08-09-2003: > Certainly Barks was writing and drawing during the Cold War against > Communism, and occasionally with things like Brutopia (= brutal utopia, > an ironic comment on Stalin's and Mao's brutal 'workers' paradises') > his love of freedom and his/Scrooge's support of basic hard-working > capitalism are obvious. Certainly most of the stories are apolitical, > but now and then his anti-Communism comes through. I don't know Barks's political preference, so I can't judge this. However, comparing capitalism with dictatorships sounds unfair to me. Barks has drawn a watercolor with a duck-caricature of J. Edgar Hoover (1895-1972), the director of the FBI for nearly 50 years, whose methods were controversial. I believe he was the person who witch-hunted Communists in the 1950s. I don't know if Barks had any message with this particular choice of subject, though. The watercolor is part of the series "Famous Figures of History as They Might Have Looked Had Their Genes Gotten Mixed with Waterfowl", and is titled "J. Edgar Honker" (78-19), and can be found here: http://www.barksbase.de/english/h/7819.htm If this discussion continues about Barks/Disney, then it belongs here. But if the discussion will be about politics only, then it belongs at DCML-TALK (http://www.dcml-talk.org). --- Dani?l, not interested in a pure political discussion From longtom at oeste.com.ar Mon Sep 8 14:05:51 2003 From: longtom at oeste.com.ar (Fabio Blanco) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 09:05:51 -0300 Subject: Lost samples References: Message-ID: <00ec01c37601$8f710720$387e37c8@fabio> Sorry, but that's not manga for me. Looks like the Italian style I don't like to much... maybe we must tracks some japanese funny animals to check. But again, sorry, don't looks like manga... FABIO bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar > I posted (two years ago!) few pictures of the manga version of Barks' > story where DD fools U$ to believe that fish are new currency. And being > lazy, I haven't still removed them from the net. You can look at them at > http://www.hut.fi/~pkannine/manga1.jpg > http://www.hut.fi/~pkannine/manga2.jpg > http://www.hut.fi/~pkannine/manga3.jpg > From timoro at hotmail.com Mon Sep 8 14:14:47 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 15:14:47 +0300 Subject: Lost samples Message-ID: >Sorry, but that's not manga for me. Looks like the Italian style I don't >like to much... maybe we must tracks some japanese funny animals to check. >But again, sorry, don't looks like manga... No they don't. I agree. There's very little manga in these. But they were presented as manga for Japanese audience. I wonder how they were selling in Japan... Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ............................... "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ Tilaa nyt Hotmail postit k?nnykk??si! http://www.msn.fi/mobiili/ From lschulte at sfstoledo.org Mon Sep 8 14:21:13 2003 From: lschulte at sfstoledo.org (L. Schulte) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 08:21:13 -0400 Subject: Barks and Cold War Politics In-Reply-To: <200309081203.h88C3dkU007657@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.1.20030908081722.00aa1870@10.0.0.8> At 02:03 PM 9/8/2003 +0200, you wrote: >In a message dated 9/8/2003 7:37:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >lschulte at sfstoledo.org writes: >Sigvald was asked not to let political comments on the DCML, and in general >I would agree. The statement in question that many Left-wing intellectuals >"went soft" on Mao is correct >And many right - wing folks in the USA and Europe were soft on Hitler and >Mussolini despite their not too good records too. Barks wrote stories >dealing with WW2 too.... > > Therefore I fail to see your point at all... The point is that Barks was occasionally letting his anti-Communism be expressed in his stories (with things like Brutopia), in the same way that his divorce might have obliquely crept through into a few stories. That the right-wing was soft on Hitler and other Fascists is also correct, but irrelevant here, since the original comment was about left-wing "softness" on Communism. From longtom at oeste.com.ar Mon Sep 8 14:36:35 2003 From: longtom at oeste.com.ar (Fabio Blanco) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 09:36:35 -0300 Subject: RV: Lost samples Message-ID: <010901c37605$d9481600$387e37c8@fabio> (I am sure Ninie's intention was send the message to the list.Fabio... years with that reply button) From: Ninie Poulsen > ..To me it looks like som kind of italian style drawings, but manga > style frames and layout of panels? > > -99E. From dve at kabelfoon.nl Mon Sep 8 14:55:28 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 14:55:28 +0200 Subject: Barks and Cold War Politics Message-ID: <20030908123851.3D1FF19FBA8@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> L. SCHULTE to STEVEN ROWE, 08-09-2003: > The point is that Barks was occasionally letting his anti-Communism > be expressed in his stories (with things like Brutopia), in the same > way that his divorce might have obliquely crept through into a few > stories. Barks's divorce from his second wife Clara is a FACT. Can you prove that his "anti-Communism" is a fact, too? > That the right-wing was soft on Hitler and other Fascists is also > correct, but irrelevant here, since the original comment was about > left-wing "softness" on Communism. If someone criticizes left-winged people, then it's obvious that people will get critical towards right-winged people, too. Both policies are considered to be two sides of the same coin. But let's not go into such a political discussion. It's off-topic, and there's plenty of room for that at DCML-TALK (http://www.dcml-talk.org). --- Dani?l From reimersholme at hotmail.com Mon Sep 8 14:40:45 2003 From: reimersholme at hotmail.com (Persson Stefan) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 14:40:45 +0200 Subject: Lost samples Message-ID: >From: "timo ronkainen" >To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se >Subject: RE: Lost samples >Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 15:14:47 +0300 >>Sorry, but that's not manga for me. Looks like the Italian style I >>don't >>like to much... maybe we must tracks some japanese funny animals to >>check. >>But again, sorry, don't looks like manga... > >No they don't. I agree. There's very little manga in these. >But they were presented as manga for Japanese audience. I wonder how >they were selling in Japan... ??? "Manga" (??) is the Japanese word for "comics," so of course they were presented as "manga" to the Japanese audience. Stefan _________________________________________________________________ ?????????????? MSN ?????? http://shopping.msn.co.jp/ From timoro at hotmail.com Mon Sep 8 14:41:36 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 15:41:36 +0300 Subject: Barks and Cold War Politics Message-ID: >The point is that Barks was occasionally letting his anti-Communism be >expressed in his stories ... >That the right-wing was soft on Hitler and other Fascists is also [....] If you folks wan't to talk about politics in here, why not discuss about how the politics are portrayed in Barks' and other artists' Disney comics. For starter I remember one Barks story that satirize quite nicely American way of making politics and political campaigns. A Campaign of Note (W US 8-03) shows how you must have lots of moola, money, if you want to succeed. Other stories about politics? (cold war or not). Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ............................... "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - kaikki yst?v?t klikkauksen p??ss?! Lataa t?st? ilmaiseksi. http://www.msn.fi/viestintapalvelut/Messenger From timoro at hotmail.com Mon Sep 8 14:47:04 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 15:47:04 +0300 Subject: Lost samples Message-ID: >??? "Manga" (????) is the Japanese word for "comics," so of course they >were presented as "manga" to the Japanese audience. OK. To be more precise, they were presented to Japanese audience as Japanese-style-comics, as drawn like original Japanese comics. Which they are not IMO. (If I recall right, Japanese have their own term for comics from Europe and America, "komiksu"?) Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ............................... "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - kaikki yst?v?t klikkauksen p??ss?! Lataa t?st? ilmaiseksi. http://www.msn.fi/viestintapalvelut/Messenger From longtom at oeste.com.ar Mon Sep 8 15:02:49 2003 From: longtom at oeste.com.ar (Fabio Blanco) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 10:02:49 -0300 Subject: Lost samples References: Message-ID: <012401c37609$82d6bc00$387e37c8@fabio> > OK. To be more precise, they were presented to Japanese audience as > Japanese-style-comics, as drawn like original Japanese comics. Which they > are not IMO. (If I recall right, Japanese have their own term for comics > from Europe and America, "komiksu"?) > > Timo Yes, but they don't pronunce that "u"... so is /komiks/ hehhee :-) By the way... just imagine Stan Sakai drawing disney comics... FABIO bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar From jerryblake2 at juno.com Mon Sep 8 15:22:44 2003 From: jerryblake2 at juno.com (Daniel J. Neyer) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 09:22:44 -0400 Subject: "Dictator of all the Happy People--Happy or Not" Message-ID: <20030908.092245.-128857.0.jerryblake2@juno.com> I've always wondered if my copy of The Treasure of Marco Polo (which I believe was quoted a few messages back) has been bowdlerized by the "Disney" Studio's PC crowd. In my copy, it looks very like Wahn Beeg Rhatt's "takeover" was originally called a "revolution" and the description of Rhatt as a "enemy" general would make more sense if "enemy" became "rebel". Did the PC boys make these changes to avoid Vietnam comparisons, or simply because they think there's no such thing as a bad revolution? In my copy, also, "Dictator" in the above quote reads "conqueror." I always like to know if the American comics are slipping something over on me. ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From timoro at hotmail.com Mon Sep 8 16:42:56 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 17:42:56 +0300 Subject: "Dictator of all the Happy People--Happy or Not" Message-ID: >"Disney" Studio's PC crowd. In my copy, it looks very like Wahn Beeg >Rhatt's "takeover" was originally called a "revolution" and the My 1976 reprint issue says "revolution". Is it different in newer reprints? Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ............................... "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ Tilaa nyt Hotmail postit k?nnykk??si! http://www.msn.fi/mobiili/ From Gerd.Syllwasschy at web.de Mon Sep 8 17:02:42 2003 From: Gerd.Syllwasschy at web.de (Gerd Syllwasschy) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 17:02:42 +0200 Subject: "Dictator of all the Happy People--Happy or Not" Message-ID: <200309081502.h88F2gQ21001@mailgate5.cinetic.de> Daniel J. Neyer: > I've always wondered if my copy of The Treasure of Marco Polo (which I > believe was quoted a few messages back) has been bowdlerized by the > "Disney" Studio's PC crowd. I do not know which copy you have, but the story has been blacklisted by Disney. To get permission to include it in the CBL, Another Rainbow/Gladstone had to change parts of the dialog (as well as some of the art) in the 1980's. Gerd -- <--cut here--> ______________________________________________________________________________ 38xTestsieger - WEB.DE FreeMail - Deutschlands beste E-Mail mehr Spass durch Smileys, Bilder, Musik,... http://f.web.de/?mc=021128 From dve at kabelfoon.nl Mon Sep 8 17:39:21 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 17:39:21 +0200 Subject: Treasure of Marco - original dialogue Message-ID: <20030908152245.39B4619FD83@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> GERD SYLLWASSCHI to DANIEL NEYER, 08-09-2003: >> I've always wondered if my copy of The Treasure of Marco Polo (which >> I believe was quoted a few messages back) has been bowdlerized by the >> "Disney" Studio's PC crowd. > I do not know which copy you have, but the story has been blacklisted > by Disney. To get permission to include it in the CBL, Another Rainbow/ > Gladstone had to change parts of the dialog (as well as some of the art) > in the 1980's. Below you can read a comparison I've made years ago. Please report any errors/omissions. - - - - - - - TREASURE OF MARCO POLO - ORIGINAL DIALOGUE Comparison of US 64 with CBL-publication 05C-569, by Dani?l van Eijmeren: Lots of dialogue is censored. Any reference to dictator, rebel, civil war or revolution is changed to general, soldier, or war. Panel 2 of page 16 and panel 7 of page 21 are changed. In both, the garrotte Soy Bheen is about to strangle a rebel with, is removed. 3.7 Soy: "I'm Soy Bheen, a poor peasant boy! Whan Beeg Rhat is the rebel brigand who is trying to be dictator of Unsteadystan!" 4.1 Soy: "I crawled in to hide from the rebels!" 4.2 Soy: "No, the rebels had stolen it before the shooting began!" 4.7 Scrooge: "I paid the Unsteadystan premier a million dollars in advance for the jade beast! That's enough loss for one deal!" 6.6 Soy: "Somebody's always shooting at somebody in Unsteadystan, Mr. McDuck!" 7.1 Soy: "Keep low and follow me! There's a battle going on between two rival rebel bands." 9.3 rebel: "Whan Beeg Rhat, si! Duckburg, no!" 9.4 Soy: "Rebel Debbil, you're fighting in siesta time! It's five minutes after one!" 9.5 rebel: "Shows you can't trust these watches from the workers' paradise!" 10.4 Soy: "Beeg Rhat will come out of his jungle hide-out for the right kind of loot!" [In the CBL this balloon is shortened a bit. A bit of it's original silhoutte can be seen in the black on the left.] 10.5 Soy: "No, power! Every thug in Unsteadystan wants to be ruler! None can succeed however while a certain person is alive!" 10.6 Soy: "The young Prince Char Ming! Only he can unite the people and make them peaceful!" 10.7 Soy: "He's away at school, and all these would-be rulers would erase him on sight if he returns!" 11.2 Soy: "There are still garments in the closets! At least the in-and-out rulers haven't sold them like they did the royal jade elephant!" 15.5 rebel: "Hail to Wahn Beeg Rhat, dictator of all the happy people -- happy or not!" 20.6 Wahn: "So you sneaked back to reunite Unsteadystan, prince? Well, the joke is on you! Ha, ha!" 23.4 rebel: "Who is he? We've had sixty rulers in sixty months!" citizen: "All phonies! The true ruler will appear in the sacred howdah!" 23.7 Wahn: "Prince Target to me! Shoot him, Rhat brats! Don't let him spoil my revolution!" 24.2 rebel 1: "And keep these silly revolutions going forever?" rebel 2: "No! We suddenly think it'd be nice for Unsteadystan to have a king again -- like in the good old days!" - - - - - - - --- Dani?l From reimersholme at hotmail.com Mon Sep 8 18:05:11 2003 From: reimersholme at hotmail.com (Stefan Persson) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 18:05:11 +0200 Subject: Lost samples Message-ID: Timo wrote: >OK. To be more precise, they were presented to Japanese audience as >Japanese-style-comics, as drawn like original Japanese comics. Which they >are not IMO. (If I recall right, Japanese have their own term for comics >from Europe and America, "komiksu"?) No, both words can be used for any kind of comics. >Yes, but they don't pronunce that "u"... so is /komiks/ hehhee :-) True: neither of the "u" in "komikkusu" is pronounced. Stefan _________________________________________________________________ Hitta r?tt p? n?tet med MSN S?k http://search.msn.se/ From lpj at forfatter.dk Mon Sep 8 19:33:49 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 19:33:49 +0200 Subject: DEi and Mao Tse Tung Message-ID: <013801c37630$03c73300$96469dd9@idb3156> At 23:16:45, Sigvald wrote: > > Sigvald, please don't post these off-topic and > > potentially inflammatory statements on the > > DCML. Thank you. > > Even though my statement above wasn't meant as anything but additional > information, I will try to follow your kind request. At 23:34:10, Sigvald wrote: > > No, [Mao] was the chairman of the communist party, > > not the dictator, though his position was more > > like that of a dictator's. > > Very interesting statement indeed, Stefan! Based upon the assumption > that you are consistent, this mean that you oppose the political > correct Scandinavian medias which most of the time [...] It's unfair to single you out, Sigvald, but... What happened between 23:16:45 and 23:34:10? Lars From sigvald at duckburg.dk Mon Sep 8 20:07:20 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 20:07:20 +0200 Subject: SV: DEi and Mao Tse Tung Message-ID: <200309081807.h88I7KbB056742@webmail.dht.dk> Lars Jensen wrote: > It's unfair to single you out, Sigvald, but... > What happened between 23:16:45 and 23:34:10? I read Stefan's mail and then wrote a reply to it. Sigvald From ericchun at hotmail.com Mon Sep 8 20:44:52 2003 From: ericchun at hotmail.com (Eric Chun) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 11:44:52 -0700 Subject: The Barks Collector 43 Message-ID: Daniel wrote: >How many pages will the issue contain? >Will it only contain letters and (not-yet-written?) articles, or will >there also be (lots of) unique art? My guess is that it will be similar to previous issues. http://www.seriesam.com/barks/bibliousafan.html I've only had one issue (around 1985 or so?). It contained text only. No artwork. Best, Eric _________________________________________________________________ Get 10MB of e-mail storage! Sign up for Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Tue Sep 9 00:19:09 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 00:19:09 +0200 Subject: Qwaaaaaaaaaak ! -- A mild(ly) off-topic topic Message-ID: <002701c37657$39c12f20$c621fdc1@computer> Hi everyone! Here's a link to an article on CNN about duck quacks-- do they echo or not? http://edition.cnn.com/2003/TECH/science/09/08/duck.quack/index.html However, there's something odd, which they would know about if they (had) read Barks' WDC&S 105 ten-pager (June '49): a duck's quack echoes only if said duck drops a dime in a box. ;) Olivier --------- " *Yoo hoo that seventy cents!* " -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030909/84e3e673/attachment.html From pkannine at cc.hut.fi Tue Sep 9 01:38:22 2003 From: pkannine at cc.hut.fi (Petri Kanninen) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 02:38:22 +0300 (EEST) Subject: Lost samples Message-ID: TIMO: > No they don't. I agree. There's very little manga in these. > But they were presented as manga for Japanese audience. I wonder how > they were selling in Japan.. I have to agree too. I don't get much of a manga-feeling while reading these. Still I presume the layouts were planned a Japanese person. Inducks shows that the writer of the story is Kawade, which sounds Japanese enough for me (although not long ago we learned that one's name doesn't reveal one's nationality). Since Barks had already written the story, the only job I can think for Kawade to do is the new layouts. Definately this isn't a traditional Disney layout. Still it makes me wonder why Egmont didn't order the art from Japan too as the artist is a "normal" Egmont-artist Miguel. Then it might have looked a bit more like manga. -- Petri Kanninen (pkannine at cc.hut.fi) Aku Ankan taskukirja -tietokanta: http://www.perunamaa.net/taskarit/ "AAUGH! It's a half-hour later than it was half an hour ago! Run! Run!" -Calvin From scraill at methven.net Tue Sep 9 02:06:29 2003 From: scraill at methven.net (Shaun Craill) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:06:29 +1200 Subject: Lost samples Message-ID: <6F9D362C1930D3119D8F0090274DFE5DA12B49@mthntapp.methven.net> >Yes, but they don't pronunce that "u"... so is /komiks/ hehhee :-) >By the way... just imagine Stan Sakai drawing disney comics... >FABIO > bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar A couple of years ago my brother gave the Groo crew a series of Duck-Groo cross over coffee mugs that I had painted up, at the San Diego comic convention when they were panelists. Stan's mug had a picture of a well known samurai rabbit guarding the money bin, and one Beagle Boy saying to the other "Go on, it's just a wee bunny!" Someone noticed I had put a note on the bottom of the mugs, and poor old Sergio brought the house down when he announced that his said "Other way up stupido" From xephyr at cwnet.com Tue Sep 9 02:16:21 2003 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 00:16:21 +0000 Subject: Disney recognizes Moby Duck as Donald's relative Message-ID: <3F5D1BD5.8060708@cwnet.com> I don't know if this rates as anything tending toward an official endorsement, but it would appear that at least the Disney "Marketing" department considers Moby Duck to be a relative of Donald's. See: http://disney.store.go.com/DSSectionPage.process?Merchant_Id=2&Section_id=14418&Product_Id=133747&Searchstr=Scrooge&Page=1 If that doesn't work try http://disney.store.go.com/ and search for "Family Tree" or "Donald" Thanks, Rich Bellacera From mdevery at netspace.net.au Tue Sep 9 10:12:09 2003 From: mdevery at netspace.net.au (Mike Devery) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 18:12:09 +1000 Subject: banned Disney stories In-Reply-To: <200309090727.h897QokW030934@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20030909180850.00a2cdd0@pop.netspace.net.au> >From: "Daniel van Eijmeren" >Subject: Treasure of Marco - original dialogue > >> I've always wondered if my copy of The Treasure of Marco Polo > > I do not know which copy you have, but the story has been blacklisted very interesting! Is there a list somewhere of similarly banned stories? For the record, this story was reprinted in original format in Australia in 1974, so there were no apparent problems from Disney at that stage. Mike. From dve at kabelfoon.nl Tue Sep 9 10:51:41 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 10:51:41 +0200 Subject: Barks, Ducks, and echoes Message-ID: <20030909083506.0E77619FEC9@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> OLIVIER, 09-09-2003: > Here's a link to an article on CNN about duck quacks-- do they echo or not? > http://edition.cnn.com/2003/TECH/science/09/08/duck.quack/index.html > However, there's something odd, which they would know about if they (had) > read Barks' WDC&S 105 ten-pager (June '49): a duck's quack echoes only if > said duck drops a dime in a box. ;) I've pasted the text at the end of this email, because I'm curious if this urban myth may have *inspired* Barks to write the echoes practice story (WDC 105). Some time ago someone mentioned that the echoes practice story is in error because it doesn't contain any real echoes for Donald. This urban myth would be a perfect explanation for those missing echoes. And even though the myth has been debunked, the article still mentions that it remains difficult to notice a duck's echo. Maybe there's a chance that Barks has heard about this, too, and then got inspired in thinking of his own way to produce duck echoes? Please let me know if this thought makes sense. - - - - - - - Science 'quacks' urban duck myth LONDON, England -- A British study has debunked an urban myth -- that a duck's quack does not echo. A farmyard duck called Daisy was at the center of the acoustic research, carried out at the University of Salford in Greater Manchester, north-west England. Acoustic expert Trevor Cox tested the popular myth -- often the subject of television quiz shows and Internet chat rooms -- by first recording Daisy's quack in a special chamber with jagged surfaces that produces no sound reflections. She was then moved to a reverberation chamber with cathedral-like acoustics before the data was used to create simulations of Daisy performing at the Royal Albert Hall and quacking as she flew past a cliff face. The tests revealed that a duck's quack definitely echoes, just like any other sound, but perhaps not as noticeably. "A duck quacks rather quietly, so the sound coming back is at a low level and might not be heard," Cox told the UK Press Association. "Also, a quack is a fading sound. It has a gradual decay, so it's hard to tell the difference between the actual quack and the echo. That's especially true if you haven't previously heard what it sounds like with no reflections." He said ducks were normally found in open-water areas and didn't usually congregate around echoey cliffs, which may have fueled the theory that their quacks don't produce an echo. "You get a bit of reverberation -- it's distinctly echoey," Cox said. The research was being discussed Monday at the British Association Festival of Science at the University of Salford. - - - - - - - Source: http://edition.cnn.com/2003/TECH/science/09/08/duck.quack/index.html - - - - - - - --- Dani?l From dve at kabelfoon.nl Tue Sep 9 11:22:18 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 11:22:18 +0200 Subject: banned Disney stories Message-ID: <20030909090543.30A0919FEE9@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> MIKE DEVERY to me, 09-09-2003: > [Treasure of Marco] very interesting! Is there a list somewhere of > similarly banned stories? For the record, this story was reprinted > in original format in Australia in 1974, so there were no apparent > problems from Disney at that stage. I once had a list of changes in The Carl Barks Library, which gave some indication for the Barks stories. This list has now been integrated in an unfinished database, so it will take some time before I can generate a new updated list. An OLD version can be found at: http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/dcml/cbl.html ("A Cold Bargain" has been printed uncensored since then, for example.) But again, this is only about Barks and the Carl Barks Library. I don't know if there a list of banned Disney stories available. I believe that somewhere in the mid-1990s, some attempts were done by fans. But the results got "banned" themselves, by other fans. The thought was that it might give Disney a handy list of items that may better be forgotten forever. (This is all from memory. Any comments are welcome.) If there's a list of banned stories, I would like to see it, too! Either in public or in private, depending on the situation I just described. --- Dani?l "Hey! Somethin's makin' SENSE!" Which Barks story? Hint #1: "Scram! Do you think you WORK here?" Hint #2: "It looks VALUABLE! If it were only yours -" From dve at kabelfoon.nl Tue Sep 9 11:36:59 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 11:36:59 +0200 Subject: Other way up stupido (OT) Message-ID: <20030909092024.0215CBE894@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> SHAUN CRAIL to FABIO BLANCO, 09-09-2003: > Someone noticed I had put a note on the bottom of the mugs, and > poor old Sergio brought the house down when he announced that his > said "Other way up stupido" I know a variation of this. A card with a cord hanging on a wall, with the text: "If there's a fire, please turn over." People who get curious and look on the overleaf, will read the text: "Only if there's a fire, sucker!" --- Dani?l From timoro at hotmail.com Tue Sep 9 13:22:06 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 14:22:06 +0300 Subject: Gottfredson interviews? Message-ID: Hi all! I'm trying to collect together bibliography of Gottfredson related articles and interviews. There is 1968 interview by Malcolm Willits in Vanguard -fanzine, and then one in Nemo-magazine from 1984 and Comics Journal #120 from March 1988 by Arn Saba. Any others? What about articles? Any help welcome. Thanks! Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ............................... "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - kaikki yst?v?t klikkauksen p??ss?! Lataa t?st? ilmaiseksi. http://www.msn.fi/viestintapalvelut/Messenger From hoymurphy at charter.net Tue Sep 9 13:46:47 2003 From: hoymurphy at charter.net (Hoy Murphy) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 07:46:47 -0400 Subject: New Rosa in WDC&S Message-ID: <003101c376c8$0e6458e0$0400a8c0@aoldsl.net> I'll tell ya, I'm 48 years old, been reading comics for more than 40 of those, and it takes a lot to bring a smile to my face when I'm reading a comic book these days. But...last night I was reading the second part of Don Rosa's "Return of the Three Cabelleros" story in WDC&S and I had a silly grin on my face the whole time! Although I enjoy many other comics and their creators, Don's the tops for making me feel like I did when I was reading comics as a kid. It's just so much dang fun! I especially like seeing Donald hang out with some of his friends, people who respect him for who he is instead of expecting him to do things for them. And he's competent, and he succeeds! The bit where Donald explains what he plans to do with his share of the treasure is pure gold (or silver, maybe). I'm really going to be sorry when this story ends next issue. Are there any more Three C stories in the pipeline? --your pal, Hoy Murphy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030909/d20bef20/attachment.html From olaf at andebyonline.com Tue Sep 9 13:33:14 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 13:33:14 +0200 Subject: New Rosa in WDC&S In-Reply-To: <003101c376c8$0e6458e0$0400a8c0@aoldsl.net> References: <003101c376c8$0e6458e0$0400a8c0@aoldsl.net> Message-ID: <1063107194.3f5dba7a80e6f@imp.webhuset.no> Quoting Hoy Murphy : > Are there any more > Three C stories in the pipeline? Since this story came to Europe three and a half years ago, there hasn't been any other, no... .from Rosa, that is. And since Rosa is so open and sharing on his upcoming stories, I think we can say for sure that any new Caballeros stories from Rosa is not produced yet. I can recommend Brazilian Carioca stories, though. From jerryblake2 at juno.com Tue Sep 9 14:21:00 2003 From: jerryblake2 at juno.com (Daniel J. Neyer) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 08:21:00 -0400 Subject: Dictator of all the Happy People Message-ID: <20030909.082100.-387591.0.jerryblake2@juno.com> Thanks for that information, fellows. The changes were even more extensive then I feared. At least I know the right dialog to read now in place of the watered-down crap that the PC boys put in. ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From lpj at forfatter.dk Tue Sep 9 13:44:41 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 13:44:41 +0200 Subject: Disney recognizes Moby Duck as Donald's relative Message-ID: <005301c376cf$7e57d8a0$90469dd9@idb3156> Rich Bellacera wrote: > I don't know if this rates as anything tending toward an official > endorsement, but it would appear that at least the Disney "Marketing" > department considers Moby Duck to be a relative of Donald's. Why wouldn't Disney recognize the existence of Moby?! They created him -- and established him as a cousin of Donald's. Lars From DGE at ECN.egmont.com Tue Sep 9 15:21:14 2003 From: DGE at ECN.egmont.com (Gerstein, David DK - ECN) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 15:21:14 +0200 Subject: banned Disney stories Message-ID: <9160C3BDF7D0CB43A73E11CCF133D21D0179A2DC@cphegtd1-xch01.egt.egmont.com> Daniel, Mike: >> [Treasure of Marco] very interesting! Is there a list somewhere of >> similarly banned stories? > >I once had a list of changes in The Carl Barks Library [snip] >I don't >know if there a list of banned Disney stories available. I believe that >somewhere in the mid-1990s, some attempts were done by fans. But the >results got "banned" themselves, by other fans. The thought was that it >might give Disney a handy list of items that may better be forgotten >forever. It sure might. The existence of such lists can often create controversy where there was NONE before, with very damaging results. A good example of this kind of thing comes from a Warner Bros Animation internet fan forum that I like to visit. About three years ago, a group of fans in that forum began enthusiastically listing Looney Tunes cartoons that (to paraphrase) "luckily aren't censored or banned yet- but WOULD be, if Warner realized what controversial material they contain, like THIS and THIS and THIS! Yep, lucky for us they're still shown on TV intact!" Some more experienced list members pointed out that writing lists like this equated to providing censors with ammunition. "Oh, I don't think so," was the general reply. Fans enjoyed the excitement of personally having discovered something that might be scandalous to somebody. Within a few months somebody at Warner discovered the forum and began reading the lists. Sure enough: instantly, almost all of the relevant cartoons began to be censored and banned on American TV. I heard the story from the inside. It ain't pretty, folks. At various times there have been lists of banned comic stories inside Disney. Many of us can think of certain duck or mouse tales that one Disney regime or another has complained about over the years. But regimes come and regimes go, and different regimes often use different lists (or start from scratch at determining what they object to). So it's difficult to know which stories are banned at a given time- but one thing for sure, there's no way to hurt ourselves worse than by publicly conjecturing and guessing about individual stories. Excuse my worried tone, guys but I feel more strongly about this than about almost any subject we've discussed lately. Best, David From timoro at hotmail.com Tue Sep 9 16:50:24 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 17:50:24 +0300 Subject: Barks, Ducks, and echoes Message-ID: >Please let me know if this thought makes sense. >LONDON, England -- A British study has debunked an urban myth -- that a >duck's quack does not echo. I've never heard this urban myth, but if it's more common in the USA, Barks might have known it - and, well.. who knows. It's possible he got the basic idea from it. At least the story is fun, and this adds to it. Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ............................... "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ Tilaa nyt Hotmail postit k?nnykk??si! http://www.msn.fi/mobiili/ From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Tue Sep 9 17:08:05 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 17:08:05 +0200 Subject: Gottfredson interviews? References: Message-ID: <001a01c376e4$2c22b900$c91efbc1@computer> Timo: >>> I'm trying to collect together bibliography of Gottfredson related articles >>> and interviews. >>> There is 1968 interview by Malcolm Willits in Vanguard -fanzine, and then >>> one in Nemo-magazine from 1984 and Comics Journal #120 from March 1988 by >>> Arn Saba. Any others? What about articles? Great idea! Well, I'm sure you've already have the reference, but just in case (to complete it?): "The Man Who Drew the Mouse-- An Interview with Floyd Gottfredson by David R. Smith" (November 5, 1975); pp 97-112 of "Walt Disney's Mickey Mouse in Color-- 1930s Disney Comic Strip Classics"; Another Rainbow Publishing, Inc (Prescott, Az); Pantheon Books (NY), 1988 In addition to this great interview, the book features - an introduction by Geoffrey Blum, "Mickey's Second Father" (September 20, 1988), - and "Of Mouse and the Man-- Floyd Gottfredson and the Mickey Mouse Continuities", by Thomas Andrae The interview you mention, "Mickey's Chronicler-- An Interview with Floyd Gottfredson by Malcolm Willits", published in Vanguard # 2 (February 1968), was reprinted pp 51-54 of "The Malcolm Willits Collection of Mickey Mouse Paintings by Floyd Gottfredson", published by the Howard Lowery gallery (Burbank, Ca) for the 1993 Gottfredson paintings auctions. The booklet also includes - "The Psychology of the Floyd Gottfredson Mickey Mouse Paintings" by Richard D. Olson-- which actually tells more the story of Mickey a Gottfredson's career than it analyzes anything, from what I gather by quickly skimmig voer it (I don't remember any analysis and don't have time to read it, but it is pretty clear) - "Gottfredson and Me" by Malcolm Willits - and lots of great, large pictures of Floyd Gottfredson, his paintings-- and Carl Barks! Gladstone Comic Album Series # 17, "Walt Disney's Mickey Mouse-- The World of Tomorrow" (1989), which also includes a couple of gag-a-day strips and "?The Pirate Ghostship", had an introduction by Geoffrey Blum-- a short (1p)presentation & analysis of both stories; I read them again recently, but haven't re-read the article yet. The other albums surely had similar introductions by Blum: #3, "The Lair of Wolf Barker" #8, "Hoppy the Kangaroo" In fact, "Walt Disney's The Biggest Big Mickey Mouse" (Gladstone, 199?), collected a few such albums into one volume. It has: - "Mickey Mouse and the Seven Ghosts", without "The Case of the Vanishing Coats" (part of the original album, as listed in the reprinted credits), but with a Dick Moores Goofy one-pager and Blum's presentation of "The Seven Ghosts" -"Mickey Mouse at the Bar-None Ranch" and a Bill Wright MM one-pager, plus Blum's presentation - "Mickey Mouse Monarch of Medioka", with Blum's presentation and a 2p reprint of the two-week news story in The New York Times regarding the incident that followed (the strip was censored in Yugoslavia on Dec 1, 1937) - "Mickey Mouse Sheriff of Nugget Gulch", a Paul Murry Goofy one-pager, and a Blum presentation And then, there's Gladstone's "100-page 60th Anniversary Special" issue of "Mickey Mouse" # 244 (January 1989): - short story of the strips & presentation of the writers & artists, by byron Erickson - Gottfredson self-portrait I guess there must be some short articles to be found in Gladstone's comics, especially the prestige WDC&S issues. Olivier From avuono at UDel.Edu Mon Sep 8 20:28:28 2003 From: avuono at UDel.Edu (Anthony Vuono) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 14:28:28 -0400 Subject: Anything New? Message-ID: <000501c37637$056c0530$7c42af80@Anthony> So what's up that is new in the Disney comics universe this fall? Any further Rosa stories in the works? How is Gemstone doing in America? Any plans for any special releases in the U.S. or Europe? I was just wondering since I have been out of touch recently. From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Tue Sep 9 17:15:53 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 17:15:53 +0200 Subject: Gottfredson interviews? References: Message-ID: <000a01c376e5$4329b120$c91efbc1@computer> Of course, I thought of it, then forgot to mention that the deluxe version of the MM book (which I don't have) includes "a conversation" (?-- short, I guess) between Barks & Gottfredson. And there's also this audo interview someone linked us to 2-3 months ago. I have lost the link amidst my computer problems, but fortunately, I still have the file-- and still haven't found the time to burn them onto a CD and listen to them. Also, mentioned recently: "Il Grande Floyd Gottfredson-- Una Vita Con Topolino", by Leonardo Gori & Francesco Stajano; Editrice Comic Art, November 1998. I need to find a way to get it. Why doesn't amazon.fr carry it? :( And why isn't there an Italian amazon? :\ Oliver From timoro at hotmail.com Tue Sep 9 17:25:11 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 18:25:11 +0300 Subject: Gottfredson interviews? Message-ID: Olivier: >Well, I'm sure you've already have the reference, but just in case (to >complete it?): >"The Man Who Drew the Mouse-- An Interview with Floyd Gottfredson by David >R. Smith" (November 5, 1975); Wow, impressive list you got there, Olivier! Many thanks! I remembered that David Smiths interview right after I sent my query. >was reprinted pp 51-54 of "The Malcolm Willits Collection of Mickey Mouse >Paintings by Floyd Gottfredson", published by the Howard Lowery gallery >(Burbank, Ca) for the 1993 Gottfredson paintings auctions. Yes, I have that one, really great paintings! I wonder if Willits took any photos during his 1968 interview? And I have also most of those albums you mentioned, I just didn't remember them containing those articles! Thanks for reminding me! How about American version of huge volume of Io Topolino -book? I recall seeing it long ago and it has Floyd's own introduction in it. Am I right? Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ............................... "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - kaikki yst?v?t klikkauksen p??ss?! Lataa t?st? ilmaiseksi. http://www.msn.fi/viestintapalvelut/Messenger From germund_s at yahoo.com Tue Sep 9 17:38:25 2003 From: germund_s at yahoo.com (Germund Silvegren) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 08:38:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Gottfredson interviews? In-Reply-To: <200309091517.h89FGqrO009143@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <20030909153825.73879.qmail@web40009.mail.yahoo.com> There is at least one article that hasn't been mentioned, in a 1976 issue of The Illustrator. Take a look at the following reference page: http://www.infography.com/content/517354313525.html /Germund __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From geodiaz_79 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 9 17:59:01 2003 From: geodiaz_79 at yahoo.com (Geo) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 08:59:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: From the Disney Studios and Dali... In-Reply-To: <200309091517.h89FGqrO009143@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <20030909155901.70729.qmail@web12403.mail.yahoo.com> http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/07/movies/moviesspecial/07CANE.html September 7, 2003 The Lost Cartoon by Disney and Dalí, Fellow Surrealists By JOHN CANEMAKER IN 1937, Salvador Dalí wrote to his fellow Surrealist André Breton about his trip to California: "I have come to Hollywood and am in contact with the three great American surrealists — the Marx Brothers, Cecil B. DeMille and Walt Disney." That might have been the end of it, if not for a party at the home of the producer Jack Warner, in 1945. There, Disney and Dalí ran into each other again, and, the next year, embarked on one of the 20th century's least likely artistic collaborations: the creator of Mickey Mouse and the painter of melting clocks joined forces to create an animated short titled "Destino" ("Destiny"). Dalí told the press it would be "a magical exposition of the problem of life in the labyrinth of time." Nervously, Disney translated, calling it "just a simple story of a girl in search of her real love." For eight months, they worked on it, until Disney, citing postwar financial problems, abandoned the project. In the 57 years since, the unfinished short has acquired the reputation of a lost masterpiece. "Destino" is as legendary in animation circles as the phantom footage from "The Magnificent Ambersons" is among movie buffs. But "Destino" is lost no longer. Next month at the New York Film Festival, this six-and-a-half-minute legend will finally have its American premiere. It has been reconstructed from Dalí's paintings and drawings by a new generation of filmmakers who were guided by Disney's nephew, Roy E. Disney, the vice chairman of the Walt Disney Company, and by Dalí's assistant on the original project, John Hench, who is now 95. It's a far cry from "Snow White." Dalí's signature incongruities dominate the film; there are crawling ants, colossal statues, shadowy vistas, a baseball ballet and, of course, melting clocks. Still, Mr. Hench recalled in an interview, "Walt approved the general terms, thinking rightly that whatever Dalí would produce would be an interesting set of images." In 1945, Dalí was in Hollywood designing sets for the dream sequence in Alfred Hitchcock's "Spellbound," painting portraits for the likes of Mr. and Mrs. Jack Warner and searching for ways to inject the "infekzious poizun" of Surrealism into mass-market America. Like his Surrealist colleagues, he recognized that America's animated cartoonists were unwittingly applying Surrealist principles in their films. Spontaneous subconscious association, anti-logical juxtaposition of imagery, unconnected gags and dream logic abound in the work of Max and Dave Fleischer, Tex Avery and also Disney: his "Pink Elephants on Parade" sequence in "Dumbo" (1941) is one of American Surrealism's most sublime moments. At the same time, Disney was struggling. Because of the war, his ambitious and hugely expensive features — "Fantasia" and "Pinocchio" in 1940 and "Bambi" in 1942 — had not earned any European revenue. His studio had survived the war years primarily by making training and propaganda films, which by 1946 were no longer needed. Deeply in debt, the company was cobbling together "package" films: compilations of shorts in feature-length format, like "Make Mine Music" (1946). If Dalí and Disney saw great artistic possibilities in a joint project, they were also well aware of the publicity potential. "They were both relentless self-promoters," Roy Disney said in a recent interview. "Certainly, that was not all there was, but there must have been a chord." They were also single-minded workaholics, attracted to animation because, as Mr. Hench told me in 1994, the medium offered "consistency" and "control" and the ability to "make your statement pure, not full of ambiguities." At first, Disney embraced the project. He was willing to take a significant artistic and financial risk in order to expand the possibilities of the animated film, something today's producers of safe, formulaic, child-friendly animated features would never consider. "We have to keep breaking new trails," he said. "Ordinarily, good story ideas don't come easily and have to be fought for. Dalí is communicative. He bubbles with new ideas." >From 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. every day, for weeks, Dalí feverishly turned out picture ideas and Mr. Hench drew continuity sketches. "His mind was going furiously," Mr. Hench said. "So many things came up, and so many things evolved." Stories about the relationship between Dalí and Disney sprinkle film history books. There has even been a play about it, "Lobster Alice" by Kira Obolensky. For eventually the differences between this odd couple began to overwhelm their similarities. "The picture was not becoming quite what either of them hoped when they started," wrote the animators Frank Thomas and Ollie Johnston in "Disney Animation: The Illusion of Life." A studio cynic suggested that Disney and Dalí had gotten along well "because they couldn't understand each other." Another artist recalled that the baseball section, which to Dalí represented "the regard of the universe," literally threw Disney a curve. "Jesus Christ," he exclaimed after watching it, "$70,000 down the drain!" When the production was halted, the official reason was that Disney's distributor, RKO, felt the market for package films had been exhausted. But two years later RKO released "Melody Time" (1948), another Disney package film. Still, economic worries undoubtedly contributed to Disney's caution, Roy Disney said: "In those postwar years, `Destino' was not what you expected from Disney." (Of course, it isn't what we expect from Disney now, either.) "Walt wanted to be an artist," Mr. Disney continued. "But he got knocked down by `Fantasia,' and the war was brutal. He had to go and make money." There were surely ego worries, too. After all, Disney was the man who, when Orson Welles came to pitch "The Little Prince" to his animators, told Welles's representative, "There is not room on this lot for two geniuses." Disney always wanted to maintain total control over his films and to reshape original material to his liking. The elegant 2003 version of "Destino," which had its premiere at the Annecy International Animation Film Festival in France, shows that Dalí's vision could not be compromised or easily changed. Directed by Dominique Monfery, this remake closely follows Dalí's original storyboards, a symbolic exploration of the joy and pain of adult amorous relationships with constantly metamorphosing images that have the elusive quality of a sensual dream. Using traditional hand-drawn animation with limited integration of computer-generated imagery, "Destino" feels like an experimental film with big-studio production values. The least Disneyesque film in the Disney canon, it demonstrates the unlimited and (unfortunately) still untapped potential of the art of animation. "Destino" is also a tribute to Walt Disney's daring, a film that contradicts assumptions about his aesthetic sensibilities. In fact, Disney, who favored the realistic paintings of Norman Rockwell and Thomas Hart Benton, also bought Dalí's work and displayed it prominently at his house in Palm Springs, Calif. "I believe Walt always regretted not making `Destino,' because it was a valuable document," Mr. Hench said. "We should have done it." After Disney dropped the project, Mr. Hench, who is now a Disney executive, tried to save it by animating a 15-second sample to show him. This tantalizing bit of film — two grotesque heads atop tortoise shells converging to form a ballerina with a baseball head — was salvaged by Roy Disney for "Fantasia/2000." But in discussions with the company's lawyers, Mr. Disney made an interesting discovery: Dalí's contract stipulated that his original artwork — 22 oil paintings and scores of drawings — would not become Disney property until after the movie was made. "They told me that we possess it, but don't own it," Mr. Disney said. So while the completion of "Destino" was partly motivated by Mr. Disney's wish to honor the history of the studio — "Our roots are in art," he said — there's also the fact that vintage Dalí art is potentially worth millions. So if money was indeed the reason Walt Disney abandoned "Destino" in 1946, money could be the reason Roy Disney has finished it. And nearly 60 years after that fateful party at Jack Warner's house, and 37 years after his death, Walt Disney continues to prove himself an innovator. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030909/14efc6a6/attachment.html From xephyr at cwnet.com Tue Sep 9 18:11:44 2003 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 09:11:44 -0700 Subject: Disney recognizes Moby Duck as Donald's relative Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030909/1f0ea35f/attachment.pl From timoro at hotmail.com Tue Sep 9 19:48:09 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 20:48:09 +0300 Subject: Gottfredson interviews? Message-ID: Germund: >There is at least one article that hasn't been mentioned, in a 1976 >issue of The Illustrator. Take a look at the following reference >page: >http://www.infography.com/content/517354313525.html I haven't even heard of it before. Thanks! Is this about Gottfredson: Anders Berglund: En Mus om Dagen ("A Mouse a Day"). NAFS(k)uriren, no. 25, pp. 38-48. Published by NAFS(k), 1995.? Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ............................... "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - kaikki yst?v?t klikkauksen p??ss?! Lataa t?st? ilmaiseksi. http://www.msn.fi/viestintapalvelut/Messenger From germund_s at yahoo.com Tue Sep 9 20:11:50 2003 From: germund_s at yahoo.com (Germund Silvegren) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 11:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Gottfredson interviews? In-Reply-To: <200309091750.h89HnrrO020001@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <20030909181150.12387.qmail@web40016.mail.yahoo.com> > >http://www.infography.com/content/517354313525.html > > I haven't even heard of it before. Thanks! > Is this about Gottfredson: > Anders Berglund: En Mus om Dagen ("A Mouse a Day"). NAFS(k)uriren, > no. 25, pp. 38-48. Published by NAFS(k), 1995.? Yes, that one is about Gottfredson. It was a special issue of the Swedish fanzine NAFS(k)uriren, dedicated to Mickey Mouse. David Gerstein wrote an article about the old Mickey Mouse cartoons, Anders Berglund about Gottfredson and I about the American comic book Mickey Mouse stories. Alltogether probably 40+ pages about Mickey but unfortunately for most DCML:ers all in Swedish. /Germund __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Tue Sep 9 20:26:38 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 20:26:38 +0200 Subject: Gemstone's DDA availability Message-ID: <001901c376ff$e89c47c0$c91efbc1@computer> Searching for something to round up my roder so that the shipping is free, I found Gemstone's "Donald Duck Adventures" #1 & 2 on amazon.fr ! A comic store told me they ahd the first Germstone issues, and I'll go on Thursday, so I may not need order them from amazon; but it's worth remembering, especially if they're cheaper. Olivier -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030909/3acc264b/attachment.html From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Tue Sep 9 20:29:03 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 20:29:03 +0200 Subject: Gottfredson interviews? References: Message-ID: <002e01c37700$3f4e3060$c91efbc1@computer> Timo: >>> How about American version of huge volume of Io Topolino -book? I recall >>> seeing it long ago and it has Floyd's own introduction in it. Am I right? What book is that, please? And an American edition which I could read? It sounds doubly interesting! Olivier From frspreaf at tin.it Tue Sep 9 20:30:57 2003 From: frspreaf at tin.it (Francesco Spreafico) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 20:30:57 +0200 Subject: Gottfredson interviews? References: <000a01c376e5$4329b120$c91efbc1@computer> Message-ID: <027d01c37700$e1cb7aa0$0f6b1e97@versi> Olivier wrote: > "Il Grande Floyd Gottfredson-- Una Vita Con Topolino", by Leonardo > Gori & Francesco Stajano; Editrice Comic Art, November 1998. I need > to find a way to get it. Why doesn't amazon.fr carry it? :( And why > isn't there an Italian amazon? :\ Yeah, why isn't there one? I've always wondered :-( Anyway there's the other Italian book about Gottfredson: - "Floyd and Mickey", by Alberto Becattini; Editrice Comic Art, November 1998. -- Francesco http://www.dimensionedelta.net/scarpa/ "Vi faccio vedere *io* chi sono *io*!! *Io* vi compro la fabbrica e *tutto*!!" ~ Scrooge, from I TL 174-A From xephyr at cwnet.com Tue Sep 9 21:16:25 2003 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 12:16:25 -0700 Subject: Edgerton, Albert, Basttista & Duckworth? Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030909/309a5d7a/attachment.pl From reimersholme at hotmail.com Tue Sep 9 21:57:20 2003 From: reimersholme at hotmail.com (Stefan Persson) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 21:57:20 +0200 Subject: Edgerton, Albert, Basttista & Duckworth? Message-ID: >From: Rich Bellacera >Reply-To: xephyr at cwnet.com >To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se >Subject: Edgerton, Albert, Basttista & Duckworth? >Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 12:16:25 -0700 >I know for the INDUCKS Scrooge's butler has been listed as "Battista" and >called >an "Italian" creation, but I would like to dispute this claim. In Inducks US' Italian butler is listed as Battista while the DuckTales butler is listed as Duckworth. To my knowledge, no other butlers are indexed. Stefan _________________________________________________________________ Hitta r?tt p? n?tet med MSN S?k http://search.msn.se/ From xephyr at cwnet.com Tue Sep 9 21:52:10 2003 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 12:52:10 -0700 Subject: Edgerton, Albert, Basttista & Duckworth? Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030909/63562bdb/attachment.pl From Joakim.Gunnarsson at egmont.se Wed Sep 10 09:13:58 2003 From: Joakim.Gunnarsson at egmont.se (Gunnarsson, Joakim SE - HMJ) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:13:58 +0200 Subject: Gottfredson interviews? Message-ID: <91E2BD72AB8BD3119FFB00508B55F07E0123DC3F@mmahmjd1-xch01.hmj.egmont.com> Speaking of Gottfredson: Anyone that has ever seen any finished artwork/dailies for his Marc O'Polo strip from the 70's? /Joakim. From timoro at hotmail.com Wed Sep 10 09:26:26 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:26:26 +0300 Subject: Gottfredson interviews? Message-ID: >Of course, I thought of it, then forgot to mention that the deluxe >version >of the MM book (which I don't have) includes "a conversation" (?-- short, >I >guess) between Barks & Gottfredson. Oh yes, indeed. That reminded me about Nemo -magazine/fanzine N:o 7 (which I don't own) that includes a conversation between Floyd and Carl. Perhaps it is the same one? >And there's also this audo interview someone linked us to 2-3 months ago. I >have lost the link amidst my computer problems, but fortunately, That's the one published in Comics Journal #120. File doesn't exist anymore in TCJ pages. Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ............................... "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ Tilaa nyt Hotmail postit k?nnykk??si! http://www.msn.fi/mobiili/ From timoro at hotmail.com Wed Sep 10 09:32:00 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:32:00 +0300 Subject: Gottfredson interviews? Message-ID: > Anyone that has ever seen any finished artwork/dailies for his Marc >O'Polo strip from the 70's? I have (or I should) have couple of character drawings in my home computer. If I find them, I can put them online. I think Floyd never made finished strips. Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ............................... "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ Tilaa nyt Hotmail postit k?nnykk??si! http://www.msn.fi/mobiili/ From are.myklebust at f1101.aetat.no Wed Sep 10 10:10:03 2003 From: are.myklebust at f1101.aetat.no (Myklebust,Are) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:10:03 +0200 Subject: Gottfredson interviews? Message-ID: Timo: >>> How about American version of huge volume of Io Topolino -book? I recall >>> seeing it long ago and it has Floyd's own introduction in it. Am I right? OLIVIER: What book is that, please? And an American edition which I could read? It sounds doubly interesting! Hi Timo and Oliver! This is the book: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2191542002&category=137 2 Best, Are Myklebust From dve at kabelfoon.nl Wed Sep 10 10:36:53 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:36:53 +0200 Subject: Eega Beeva's Magic Pocket / Covers extravaganza Message-ID: <20030910082026.37CA4BE7B4@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Does someone the current location of below mentioned sites by Eta Beta? Eega Beeva's Magic Pocket http://eega.net/magic/pocket.html Covers extravaganza http://eega.net/covers/extra.html (AFAIK they still exist, so there's no need to search in internet-archives.) --- Dani?l From astrup_jensen at hotmail.com Wed Sep 10 10:36:59 2003 From: astrup_jensen at hotmail.com (Mads Jensen) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:36:59 +0200 Subject: Time out periods for American Disney comics Message-ID: Hi I just browsed a bit through INDUCKs, and noticed the dates for US 210 and WDC 511, and then looked at the previous issues, and saw that there was a gap of about 2 years. AFAIK the previous publisher was Whitman, and then Gladstone. Have there been any other time out periods for American Disney comics than this one and then from 1999 to 2003 ? It just seems weird to me that there could be a period from 1984 to 1986 as comics must have been more popular at that time, than they seem to be now in USA. Best, Mads _________________________________________________________________ Få gode tilbud direkte i din mailbox http://jatak.msn.dk From reimersholme at hotmail.com Wed Sep 10 10:38:55 2003 From: reimersholme at hotmail.com (Stefan Persson) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:38:55 +0200 Subject: Eega Beeva's Magic Pocket / Covers extravaganza Message-ID: >From: "Daniel van Eijmeren" >To: >Subject: Eega Beeva's Magic Pocket / Covers extravaganza >Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:36:53 +0200 >Does someone the current location of below mentioned sites by Eta Beta? Eta Beta's hard disk, I'm afraid. Stefan _________________________________________________________________ Hitta r?tt p? n?tet med MSN S?k http://search.msn.se/ From timoro at hotmail.com Wed Sep 10 11:12:34 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:12:34 +0300 Subject: Gottfredson interviews? Message-ID: Are: >This is the book: >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2191542002&category=1372 Thanks, Are! I had completely forgotten the English title of the book, so there was no way to find it in the Net for me. In the same series there was also Io Paperino -book in english. I guess these are quite rare nowadays? Or does 2nd or even 3rd printing of these books exist? Rimo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ............................... "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ Tilaa nyt Hotmail postit k?nnykk??si! http://www.msn.fi/mobiili/ From timoro at hotmail.com Wed Sep 10 11:25:28 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:25:28 +0300 Subject: Gottfredson interviews? Message-ID: >Rimo Ooops, looks like I have involuntarilly changed my name :-) and back to the topic: Does anyone know how many of these huge Best Comics volumes were made in English? are they all indexed? Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ............................... "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - kaikki yst?v?t klikkauksen p??ss?! Lataa t?st? ilmaiseksi. http://www.msn.fi/viestintapalvelut/Messenger From p.castagno at libero.it Wed Sep 10 12:12:48 2003 From: p.castagno at libero.it (Paolo Castagno) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:12:48 +0200 Subject: Papersera Message-ID: Hi! This is just to let you know that today is the first day of my new website "Il Papersera" (Papersera, or The Chronicle, is the Italian name of the newspaper owned by Uncle Scrooge where Donald and Fethry work). It is only in Italian, at the moment, but I hope to finish the English version within this year... There are a lot of (IMHO) interesting things: Articles Cover scans Search engine that uses the I.N.D.U.C.K.S. data Forum Marketplace Newsletter Games (I'm curious to see who can score the maximum result..) And many other things... I really hope you can enjoy it! Please feel free to register your account in order to use the comics market and the games! The url is http://www.papersera.net So, please update your bookmarks pointing to the "old" Disney in Italia (http://digilander.libero.it/inducks/) since it will be soon removed. And I also want to say a big "Thank You" to all the ones who helped me with their support, for testing the website (maybe there are still a few bugs...), for providing me with their articles, and for let me know what they think about the Papersera! Thanks for your attention, and I'm waiting for you in Papersera's new offices! ;-) - Paolo http://www.papersera.net From eega at supereva.it Wed Sep 10 12:58:07 2003 From: eega at supereva.it (Eta Beta) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:58:07 +0200 Subject: Eega Beeva's Magic Pocket / Covers extravaganza Message-ID: <3F5D91F00009B81A@vsmtp4.tin.it> (added by postmaster@virgilio.it) DANIEL, STEFAN >>Does someone the current location of below mentioned sites by Eta Beta? > >Eta Beta's hard disk, I'm afraid. Well, I'm horribly behind with my own schedule of uploads to the new server, but the covers sites have been both up for a while now. The problem is, my new server is a bit stupid, and it only understands the address if it is in the form : http://www.eega.net/magic/pocket.html meaning all my addresses remain the same, but you'll have to add the www... sorry about that. The above address is a "portal" to all my sites, keep an eye on that to check what's new from time to time. Cheers! Eta Beta From rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com Wed Sep 10 14:31:21 2003 From: rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com (rodney-selfhelpbikeco@juno.com) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:31:21 GMT Subject: MM Best Comics Message-ID: <20030910.053151.529.161882@webmail19.nyc.untd.com> >Thanks, Are! I had completely forgotten the English title of the book, >so >there was no way to find it in the Net for me. In the same series >there was >also Io Paperino -book in english. I guess these are quite rare >nowadays? Or >does 2nd or even 3rd printing of these books exist? As far as I know, there was only one printing of the book. I'd guess that at one time it was pretty rare, but these days there seem to always be 2 or 3 copies on ebay (at varying prices too. The $39.99 tag seems a bit high). I think I paid $20 for my copy, and I would say it's worth that (I also got the companion Goofy book for that price as well). Be warned though if you're buying it for the strips. They took Italian translations and translated them back to English instead of doing what made good sense (using the original English). Still, the stories read pretty well, and some of them have never been reprinted elsewhere. rodney. ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From jerryblake2 at juno.com Wed Sep 10 16:39:55 2003 From: jerryblake2 at juno.com (Daniel J. Neyer) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:39:55 -0400 Subject: Best Comics Message-ID: <20030910.103956.-492923.1.jerryblake2@juno.com> >Ooops, looks like I have involuntarilly changed my name :-) >and back to the topic: Does anyone know how many of these huge Best >Comics volumes were made in English? are they all indexed? I have the Best of Mickey Mouse volume and the Best of Donald Duck volume. I understand there are also Best of Goofy and Best of Scrooge volumes (and maybe a Best of Huey, Dewey, and Louie, but I'm not sure). These albums were translated from English to Italian and then back to English, so they differ somewhat from the original. The Barks stories have dialogue almost identical to the dialogue in the US editions, but the Gottfredson ones are more pared-down translations--except for the Mickey in the Foreign Legion story in the Best of Mickey Mouse; for whatever reason, that one seems to be pure Gottfredson in dialogue, etc. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030910/df47e5c8/attachment.html From timoro at hotmail.com Wed Sep 10 17:13:37 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 18:13:37 +0300 Subject: MM Best Comics Message-ID: >Be warned though if you're buying it for the strips. They took Italian >translations and translated them back to English instead of doing what made >good sense (using the original English). I borrowed this book today from local library's children section. If I get a good copy of Gottfredson's preface, I could put it online. Funny thing, this book has same pictures and same lay-out within the preface pages as the original Italian and Finnish version, but the text is (of course) different. Original and Finnish one (and other language versions, I pressume) preface introduces Walt Disney, his films and Fantasia inparticular and then have a "tour" inside an animation studio. Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ............................... "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - kaikki yst?v?t klikkauksen p??ss?! Lataa t?st? ilmaiseksi. http://www.msn.fi/viestintapalvelut/Messenger From cord at wiljes.de Wed Sep 10 17:53:19 2003 From: cord at wiljes.de (Cord Wiljes) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:53:19 +0200 Subject: Walt Disney Treasures DVDs Message-ID: <000401c377b3$a8db46e0$0101a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> It's a little bit off-topic, but I suppose a lot of list members will be interested in these: Last year Disney released a series of several film compilations on DVD under the name "Walt Disney Treasures". Each set contained two DVDs full of digitally restored Disney gems. I found most interesting: + Mickey Mouse in Black and White" - Contains the first MM cartoons starting with "Steamboat Willie"; also has a commentary by Leonard Maltin. + Walt Disney Treasures - Mickey Mouse in Living Color - MM color cartoons + Walt Disney Treasures - Behind the Scenes at the Walt Disney Studio - A collection of documentaries about the Disney studios. The sets cost $ 32.99 ea had a print run of 125.000. Most are gone by now and can only be bought on the secondary market for much higher prices. Soon there will be issued a second wave in this great series. I find especially interesting: + The Chronological Donald, Volume 1 (1934 - 1941) + Walt Disney Treasures - On the Front Lines Especially the "On the front lines" set sounds great: It promises to contain the cartoons the Disney studios produced during WWII. Namely "Victory Thru Air Power" and possibly "Der Fuehrer's Face" and "Education for Death". If Disney can release these (and they sell like crazy!) - why not also allow reprints of the Gottfredson Mickey Mouse strips and uncensored Barks stories? Could it be that there are still thos who believe that "comics are for children" whereas the DVDs are for adults? I posted a complete list of the DVDs released in the "Walt Disney Treasures" series to http://www.dcml-talk.org/read.php?f=1&i=175&t=175 Cord From xephyr at cwnet.com Wed Sep 10 19:19:36 2003 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:19:36 -0700 Subject: Gottfredson interviews? Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030910/2dc1de23/attachment.pl From ramapith at mail.dk Wed Sep 10 21:06:05 2003 From: ramapith at mail.dk (David Gerstein) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:06:05 +0100 Subject: MM Best Comics Message-ID: Rodney and others, > Be warned though if you're buying it for the strips. They took Italian > translations and translated them back to English instead of doing what made > good sense (using the original English). Still, the stories read pretty well, > and some of them have never been reprinted elsewhere. The books stack up like this: Mickey: all stories use some of original dialogue, but it's heavily trimmed down in most cases and occasionally completely rewritten (parts of "Death Valley", where I guess they didn't have the originals handy). Some stories had strips cut out in Italy, so the same strips are missing here ("Death Valley" and "Tanglefoot" are especially butchered). For some reason, as has already been noted, "MM in the Foreign Legion" uses almost all of the original dialogue. It's a good presentation of that one story. There are two editions of this book. The first is white with a 1930s MM on the cover. The second is yellow with a 1940s MM. Goofy: all stories use ALL of the original dialogue, albeit relettered to match the Italian voice balloons. The editor was Horst Schroeder, who obviously gave a damn. Great job, and the only place to read several of the key early 1940s Gottfredson stories in a licensed American reprint. Donald: all stories use most of the original dialogue, with new text added occasionally to fill extra-big balloons. "Lost in the Andes" and "Luck of the North" had sequences cut out in Italy, so the same stuff is missing here. There are two editions of this book. The first is white with a cover illustrating "The Magic Hourglass". The second is yellow with a cover image taken from "Voodoo Hoodoo" (which isn't in our edition of the book!). Donald Duck and His Nephews: stories are a haphazard mix of original and new dialogue with no rhyme or reason. "The Mummy's Ring" has 1938 Taliaferro panels added to it to fill out the reformatted pages? yes, the result is as bad as it sounds. There are two editions of this book. The first is a red book with a white dustcover and a Whitman cover design of the ducks at the beach. The second edition is retitled "Huey, Dewey and Louie" and shows big images of the nephews' heads. The second edition is very rare: I've only ever seen it once, and don't remember what color it is! But someone is selling one: http://www.booksandcollectibles.com.au/bookfinder.php?book_id=72979079 Uncle Scrooge: similar to HDL, stories are a haphazard mix of original and new dialogue with no rhyme or reason. Animated Features and Silly Symphonies: stories (from ZS and ZT) have their original dialogue and original lettering too, as they're reproduced from original newspaper pages. A very nice collection. Unfortunately "Bucky Bug" is only an excerpt of the much longer continuity, though the book claims (wrongly) to be presenting the whole thing. Most of these books originated in Italy, but this one seems to be an Abbeville original. David From lpj at forfatter.dk Wed Sep 10 20:12:23 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:12:23 +0200 Subject: Disney Witches revisited Message-ID: <03e301c377c8$2287de40$8e469dd9@idb3156> I only now got time to read Rich Bellacera's entire posting, so I'm a bit late on addressing this. Rich, I have to confess I'm a bit unsure of how to answer some of your questions -- mainly because I don't know which continuity (or "universe") you're referring to. For instance, you write about Magica: > Scrooge nemesis who wants his No.1 Dime as she believes it to be a > talisman of great "luck." Depends. If you're asking about Magica as seen in most Barks stories (or in the current Danish-produced ones), then no, Magica wants the Dime because Scrooge has touched it more times than any other coin. Melted into an amulet, it will grant Magica the Midas Touch -- the ability to transform base metals into gold. If you're asking about the Duck Tales Magica or the Italian, Brazilian, Dutch or French Magica, I wouldn't know the answer, though. > She is probably the BEST known of Disney witches in comics. To which several people started discussing whether she is a witch or a sorceress and what the difference is. I've even seen people quoting Barks to support their view that she is a witch. The truth is, of course, that the two terms are used interchangably in everyday life -- even by Barks. If you want an answer to your question, though, I suggest we go with the definition of witches and sorceresses Don Rosa gave: Witches are inherently magical beings that can make magic just by waving their fingertips (or -- in my opinion -- thinking, even). Sorceresses are (more or less capable) ordinary human beings who -- using spells, magic wands and so on -- can perform magic. If we agree on this, then Barks' (and the current Danish) Magica is a sorceress. The Italian (and the Duck Tales) Magica is a witch. > Magica currently lives in an old shack on the side of Mount Vesuvius. > > At one time [Mim] and Magica were roommates in an old castle, but now > they more commonly work seperately. Currently Mim lives in an old > house in the forest. I'm not sure where you get the "currently" and "at one time". Are we talking about when the stories were published? If we are, then I'll refer you to: http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-July/023597.html . Note that in American comic books Mim was living in an old house in the forest, while she in S-coded stories produced *at the exact same time* was living with Magica in a run-down castle. It is true, though, that these days, in D-coded stories, Mim lives in that forest house. And, in D-coded stories, Magica lives in that shack on Mount Vesuvius. > [Mim] occassionally teams up with the Beagle Boys, but more often > encounters the forest characters like Big Bad Wolf and Brer Bear. Actually, she has met the Beagle Boys far more often than Big Bad Wolf or Brer Bear. And she isn't really used much with *any* of these characters nowadays. In Denmark, at least. > [Witch Hazel's] residence is unknown, but is presumably also somewhere > in the forest. Witch Hazel has most often been shown to reside on the witches' moon. > Granny de Spell Appears in the "castle stories" only. Different from Nonna Caraldina, who appears in Italian stories. > Minima appears to often visit Magica along with her grandmother. > Nonna Caraldina? Another granny of Magica's? Yep and yep. > Samson Hex > A young owl-boy who served as apprentice to Magica and Mim for a > while. Has not been seen lately? Sadly, no. A potentially great character but with some built-in problems... > Yensid the Sorcerer > The Sorcerer from FANTASIA. Not used very much? Nope. In my opinion, his performance in "Fantasia" was so outstanding, he should be left alone, rather than be used in not-so-good stories. > Merlin the Magician > The Sorcerer from SWORD IN THE STONE, also not used very often, but > his familiar, Archimedes the Owl, has been seen more often, even > apparently living with Mim? These days, in Denmark at least, Archie is *not* used with Mim -- if the writer wants Mimsy to have a pet, he/she will use the cat Spitfire. > Maybe W.I.T.C.H. would make a great animated series... Rumor has it that Saban, under license, is working on this exact thing. Olaf Solstrand wrote: > I also remember a few Italian stories where we meet a grandmother, a > niece and a fiance of Magica de Spell. These are Nonna Caraldina, Minima De Spell and Rosolio. Eta Beta wrote: > I don't know whether Mim is used at all, these days... Again, see this posting of mine: http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-July/023597.html . > I think [Bre'r Rabbit & Co] really live in the suburbia-like Swamp, > with Bre'r Bear and Bre'r Fox sorta commuting). In American and Danish stories, the swamp is part of the forest. Nobody commutes anywhere. Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "suburbia-like". The houses are not on streets; they are just randomly placed in the forest. Dirt roads lead from one to another. We only rarely see cars. Not much like a suburban environment. By the way: No offense, but if you're going to use an apostrophe in Brer, it should be "Br'er", not "Bre'r". >> 4) Witch-Queen from Snow White >> Another witch typically encountered in Forest-related stories. >> Always evil. Not much used these days. > > And I'm convinced this has to be yet another Forest, possibly > in yet another dimension... or we have to deal with a time-warp > here, if we want to place the 7 dwarfs and the Wolves in the same > environment... The Witch and the Dwarfs have met the Wolves in several W-coded stories, so they do indeed live in the same forest. In those stories, anyway. Daniel van Eijmeren wrote: > In at least one Barks story, Magica is permanently watched by two > observers who are working for Scrooge. Also in several D-coded stories. Up to this day. > I *love* those stories and the zany, motionless way the characters are > drawn [in the "castle stories"]! "Motionless" is the key word here! Sure, some potentially fine characters appear in these stories, but they are (in my opinion) rarely allowed to shine. > Sometimes I find it nice when the model-sheet is ignored. It gives a > chance to explore new directions. They usually didn't. That's the big problem with these stories. In my opinion, obviously. Rich Bellacera wrote: > Mim and Hazel are "true" witches, I have seen them (well, moreso Mim) > frequently refer to Spell books and use potions, so I'm not sure if > that makes them Sorceresses, too (since their magic relies on sources > outside themselves)? See my Mim posting: http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-July/023597.html . I agree 100% on everything Don Rosa wrote about whether Magica is a witch or a sorceress, including why she (for story purposes) should be the latter, rather than the former. One thing, though. Don, you write: > she knows a spell that will enable her to melt that coin down to form > an amulet which will give her the Midas Touch to create gold. But > okay, that specific point is lost to history [...] Nope, it isn't. I recently wrote a story which made it very clear that getting the Midas Touch is her motivation. And since the entire ECN backed up that view of her, this particular story point seems OK to use these days. Also, I think Pat McGreal mentioned the Midas Touch a few years ago. > [Byron Erickson] said Egmont would eliminate the use of Magica as a > "witch" who flew around on a broomstick. Now, has Egmont stuck to > Byron's policy? Not on the broom thing all the time. But it's still made very clear in current Egmont stories that Magica doesn't have any inherent magical powers. (Even stories that use the broom clarify that it can fly because it's mechanical or has had a magical potion dumped on it.) > They also told me that Fethry and Ludwig were "dead", but I have heard > they are mighty lively as of late. Ludwig is "dead"; Fethry lives, but only in a prescribed, small number of stories. Kriton Kyrimis wrote: >> A witch (or warlock) is a supernatural being with inherent >> supernatural/magical powers >... >> Anyone can >> learn to become a sorcerer with great study of arcane knowledge found >> through long examinations and translations of ancient tomes and lots >> and lots of practice... > > it would seem to me that what you describe as the difference between a > sorceress and a witch is that between an amateur and a professional. > An amateur witch (a sorceress, by your definition) would be able to > perform a spell or two, probably without real knowledge of what they > are doing, while a professional witch, having studied *a lot* more > (it's probably not a coincidence that witches are usually portraid as > old) can perform a lot more magic than amateurs. No, as Don said: By his definition of the words, a witch has inherent magical powers -- they are a part of her. A sorceress is merely a (good or bad) student of magic. Lars From lpj at forfatter.dk Wed Sep 10 19:59:47 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:59:47 +0200 Subject: Pigs is Pigs Message-ID: <03e201c377c8$21d86460$8e469dd9@idb3156> Rich Bellacera wrote: > let it be known that I am still in search of images of Percy Pigg and > his son Plato as they appear in more recent comics. I haven't seen them in new stories for years. Sorry. > 4) The Pig Mayor (also called Mayor Hogg?) I'm calling him Mayor Pork in my stories. I believe some of the other Egmont writers do the same. Lars From lpj at forfatter.dk Wed Sep 10 19:58:42 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:58:42 +0200 Subject: Glittering Goldie (was DCML Digest, Vol 6, Issue 46) Message-ID: <03e101c377c8$210ef9e0$8e469dd9@idb3156> Katie Sullivan wrote: >> So what? Glittering Goldie also is a one-time Barks fenomenon. > > In the comics, true. But she popped up in an awful lot of his oil > paintings. > http://www.sullivanet.com/duckburg/barksoils/ > Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think any other character > who appeared in only one of his stories has appeared in so many > oil paintings. This would indicate to me that he thought her to > be an important character--or at least an important symbol of > his characterization of Scrooge (rough and grouchy on the > outside, kind-hearted deep down.) > But then I'm extremely biased in favor of her character, so > don't mind me. ;) I don't know much about Barks' oil paintings, but... Did he paint the Goldie-oriented ones because he had a desire to use that character? Or because the customers who ordered the paintings had asked for Goldie to be included in them? Lars From lpj at forfatter.dk Wed Sep 10 20:12:42 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:12:42 +0200 Subject: Clerkly, Battista, Cora, Gloria & a Rover? Message-ID: <03e401c377c8$23f92180$8e469dd9@idb3156> Rich Bellacera wrote: > 1) Scrooge's dogface staff member named Clerkly. [Does] he have a more > complete name or has he always just been called "Clerkly"? I've never seen anything more than "Clerkly". > Also, other than being Scrooge's staff member, do we know anything > specific about what sort of work he does for Scrooge? He's his accountant. (One of several, perhaps?) Lars From lpj at forfatter.dk Wed Sep 10 20:13:33 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:13:33 +0200 Subject: Marco Rota's "From egg to duck" story Message-ID: <03e501c377c8$2497d280$8e469dd9@idb3156> Olaf Solstrand wrote: > I guess what I really want to discuss here, is: "Could one in 1984 > call oneself a barksist without knowing that Barks didn't think that > Scrooge and Grandma were siblings?" In my opinion: Yes. > Have ANYONE heard from Rota on this siblinghood AFTER "Life of > Scrooge" came? No. But I know he likes Don Rosa's stories. > Why did this relationship fall apart so easily when "Life of Scrooge" > came? Well, it didn't, necessarily. True, I haven't seen Scrooge and Grandma referred to as siblings since LoS, but then I haven't seen their relationship referred to *at all* since those stories came out. And no wonder. Think back: How often was the relationship between Scrooge and Grandma referred to pre-LoS?! Very very rarely. Perhaps the reason there hasn't been any reference to the relationship since LoS came out is because it hasn't been relevant to the stories made? Besides, there are many theories out there: Scrooge and Grandma being siblings, Scrooge and Grandma being cousins, the Barks/Rosa theory... The waters are, in my opinion, muddied so much these days that I personally prefer to just stay away from the whole thing. Maybe other writers feel the same way? Lars From lpj at forfatter.dk Wed Sep 10 19:58:13 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:58:13 +0200 Subject: Homages to Non-Disney comics in Disney comics Message-ID: <03e001c377c8$1f390160$8e469dd9@idb3156> Frank Bubacz wrote: > Lars Jensen's homage to Tintin as well as the dogs in the Taliaferro > Sunday page that was talked about here recently (all of them could be > identified btw) make me curious if there are other homages to > non-Disney comic heroes in Disney comics. I suppose there aren't many? Well, the first thing that comes to mind is "The Yeti" (D 93513). When the story was sent off to Vicar, he was also given a picture of the Yeti from "Tintin in Tibet" to give him a feeling for, how the writers wanted the creature to look. But I suppose this wasn't a full-fledged case of an homage -- more of Hergé's character design of the Yeti serving as visual inspiration. Although I don't know how much Vicar looked at Hergé's drawing. On the other hand, there is of course the cavewoman Oona, whose name is partly an homage to Alley Oop's girlfriend Ooola. But then again, Oona was conceived of without any thought of Ooola until the character had to be named -- only the name links the two -- so that's not really a full-fledged homage, either. Anybody else have any ideas? Lars From lpj at forfatter.dk Wed Sep 10 19:57:31 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:57:31 +0200 Subject: Original secondary character's names in I TL 1308-B??? Message-ID: <03df01c377c8$1e5ece00$8e469dd9@idb3156> timo ronkainen wrote: > I just read a story (I TL 1308-B) published in Finnish Roope-setä mag > 9/1985: Zio Paperone e il fumetto perfetto. Rockerduck has a comic > book publishing company and he has all the best cartoonists there are. > They are working in slave labor conditions in a basement. He pushes > his artists and writers to the extreme limit and therefore gets > hundreds of pages of comics made. Nice story about "industrial" way of > making comics. Perhaps Giorgio Pezzin wrote this story to present his > feelings about working for Disney? :-) I've searched Inducks and couldn't find any pre-1986 comics written by Pezzin for Disney. Did he do some other work for them? Lars From timoro at hotmail.com Wed Sep 10 21:21:51 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:21:51 +0300 Subject: Original secondary character's names in I TL 1308-B??? Message-ID: >I've searched Inducks and couldn't find any pre-1986 comics written by >Pezzin for Disney. Did he do some other work for them? How odd. Here it is: http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/simp.php December 21, 1980 I TL 1308-B Uncle Scrooge: Zio Paperone e il fumetto perfetto (32 p.) 3-tier Plot & story: Giorgio Pezzin Art & ink: Sandro Zemolin But could someone tell who are those comics artists in this original version? Or are they just imaginery characters? Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ............................... "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - kaikki yst?v?t klikkauksen p??ss?! Lataa t?st? ilmaiseksi. http://www.msn.fi/viestintapalvelut/Messenger From JTorci3511 at aol.com Wed Sep 10 21:19:09 2003 From: JTorci3511 at aol.com (JTorci3511@aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:19:09 EDT Subject: Time Out Periods for American Disney Comics Message-ID: <1d8.1099bfa9.2c90d32d@aol.com> Mads Jensen wrote: "I just browsed a bit through INDUCKs, and noticed the dates for US 210 and WDC 511, and then looked at the previous issues, and saw that there was a gap of about 2 years. AFAIK the previous publisher was Whitman, and then Gladstone. Have there been any other time out periods for American Disney comics than this one and then from 1999 to 2003 ? "It just seems weird to me that there could be a period from 1984 to 1986 as comics must have been more popular at that time, than they seem to be now in USA." Comics WERE more popular at the time, but Whitman simply was unable to adapt to the changes brought on by the new "Direct Market" for comics. They continued to primarily market their product as a toy manufacturer would, and failed to seize upon a (...pardon the pun, for those who get it) "Golden" opportunity. True, there was a gap of about two years between REGULARLY PUBLISHED USA Disney comics between Whitman and Gladstone Series I. BUT, until 1999, there was never an entire year with no Duck and Mouse comics published in the US. Bruce Hamilton released "Prestige Format" reprints of "Disneyland Birthday Party" (...with a new cover by Barks, that was used for the first CBL Hardcover set) and "Uncle Scrooge Goes to Disneyland" in 1985. Both were also released in "Digest Size". By doing do, Hamilton kept alive a streak of consecutive years going back to 1940 and WDC&S # 1. (...even further, if you count "Mickey Mouse Magazine"). So, thanks to the Walt Disney Company and its ridiculous legal machinations, the period of 1999 thru mid-2003 has been the only sustained period in which we Americans did not have our Duck and Mouse comics. During those years, there were various movie adaptations published by Dark Horse, and maybe others, like "Atlantis" -- so there might not have actually been a single year where there were NO Disney comics of ANY kinds published in the USA. I didn't care enough about this material to bother keeping track. LONG LIVE GEMSTONE!!! Joe Torcivia. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030910/6c782a9d/attachment.html From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com Wed Sep 10 21:38:55 2003 From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:38:55 EDT Subject: July 2003 US Comics Sales/DDA #2 Question Message-ID: <21.3452a1ae.2c90d7cf@aol.com> Hi everyone! Haven't been able to post to the list in a while. I found the sales stats for US 320/WDC 635. 209. Uncle Scrooge #320 6,421 216. Walt Disney's Comics&Stories #635 6,025 274. Walt Disney's Comics&Stories #634 2,522 Kind of mixed news. On one hand, WDC is up from 4,000something that it was in June. On another, US is down from 8,000something from June. DDA#1 didn't show up in the top 300(though I'm not sure if it had been out long enough to have a chance or not). Not sure what to conclude as far as progress for the overall Disney line is. http://www.icv2.com/articles/home/3312.html I'm not sure if it's been already mentioned/asked, but what stories will be in DDA#2? Derek Smith -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You can now see character study for Mark O'Polo here: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/markopolo.html I think this one was in eBay long time ago. Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ............................... "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - kaikki yst?v?t klikkauksen p??ss?! Lataa t?st? ilmaiseksi. http://www.msn.fi/viestintapalvelut/Messenger From timoro at hotmail.com Wed Sep 10 22:06:14 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 23:06:14 +0300 Subject: Original secondary character's names in I TL 1308-B??? Message-ID: >The ones with names are fake: "Joe Lapis" (Lapis = Pencil "Tony Biro" (Biro >= Pen), "John Pennell" (Pennello = Brush), "Jean Vignett" (Vignetta = >Panel). Ah, Finnish translator decided to use real (Finnish) comics artists all by him/herself then. Funny thing is, thet there was an American artist/writer named Charles Biro, who made True Crime -comics in 1940's. Thanks for answer! Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ............................... "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - kaikki yst?v?t klikkauksen p??ss?! Lataa t?st? ilmaiseksi. http://www.msn.fi/viestintapalvelut/Messenger From olaf at andebyonline.com Wed Sep 10 22:22:56 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:22:56 +0200 Subject: Homages to Non-Disney comics in Disney comics In-Reply-To: <03e001c377c8$1f390160$8e469dd9@idb3156> References: <03e001c377c8$1f390160$8e469dd9@idb3156> Message-ID: <1063225376.3f5f882037a6f@imp.webhuset.no> Lars: > Anybody else have any ideas? > Speaking of Oona - in D 2001-077 (from the latest Scandinavian weekly), we meet a caveman named Fred. Donald even ponder over this - "Huh? A caveman named Fred?" I'm willing to eat a bucketfull of sparkel if it turns out that Kari Korhonen has never seen the Flintstones. :-) But that is too also just a name (and profession). Olaf From sigvald at duckburg.dk Thu Sep 11 00:42:21 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 0:42:21 +0200 Subject: SV: New Rosa in WDC&S Message-ID: <200309102242.h8AMgMes065761@webmail.dht.dk> Hoy Murphy wrote: > I'll tell ya, I'm 48 years old, been reading > comics for more than 40 of those, and it takes > a lot to bring a smile to my face when I'm > reading a comic book these days. > > But...last night I was reading the second > part of Don Rosa's "Return of the Three > Cabelleros" story in WDC&S... OK! But you must have failed to read the title of the story though (or have Gemstone really messed this up?). FYI the correct English-language title both from Don Rosa and from Gemstone is "The Three Caballeros Ride Again". Please don't make more confusion than necessary when it comes to the titles of Don Rosa's stories. This is a friendly advice to our friends at Gemstone too. Sigvald From CarmenG at aol.com Thu Sep 11 01:17:59 2003 From: CarmenG at aol.com (CarmenG@aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:17:59 EDT Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 7, Issue 21 Message-ID: <1ab.19ee9704.2c910b27@aol.com> From vazali at yahoo.com Thu Sep 11 01:23:52 2003 From: vazali at yahoo.com (Katie Sullivan) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:23:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Barks oil paintings In-Reply-To: <200309101944.h8AJiYrO001577@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <20030910232352.67609.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com> Lars wrote: "I don't know much about Barks' oil paintings, but... Did he paint the Goldie-oriented ones because he had a desire to use that character? Or because the customers who ordered the paintings had asked for Goldie to be included in them?" That's a good question I don't know the answer to. It was always my assumption that most of Bark's paintings (but not all) were done based on his own ideas and inspirations rather than custom-ordered by fans. I know he did several versions of the Donald Duck "Sheriff of Bullet Valley" painting on request, but I always thought most of the grand Scrooge adventure paintings were done for his own enjoyment. Can anyone say for sure what the story is with these? Particularly the Goldie ones, of course, but all the others, too. Katie Sullivan http://www.sullivanet.com (My website is down right now...I don't know why.) :( __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From olaf at andebyonline.com Thu Sep 11 01:03:41 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 01:03:41 +0200 Subject: SV: New Rosa in WDC&S In-Reply-To: <200309102242.h8AMgMes065761@webmail.dht.dk> References: <200309102242.h8AMgMes065761@webmail.dht.dk> Message-ID: <1063235021.3f5fadcd7c02f@imp.webhuset.no> Sigvald: > OK! But you must have failed to read the title of the story though (or have > Gemstone really messed this up?). Gemstone has not "messed this up", no. The title printed in WDCS is "The Three Caballeros Ride Again". (but hey, what's the big deal - everybody understood what story we're talking about, right?) > Please don't make more confusion than > necessary when it comes to the titles of Don Rosa's stories. Uhm... I hate to say this, but... look who's talking? Sigvald, didn't you just a few weeks ago mention Italian characters by their Norwegian names because you thought that names sounded better? Then we're talking CHARACTERS, and sure - if one's a good guesser, one may understand that you're thinking of Battista when writing "James" and Trudy when saying "Petra" - but those are guesses. In this case... Well, thinking of how popular Don Rosa is, I don't think there's ANY doubt of what story Hoy was talking about here. So, Sigvald... I don't mind at all that you want people to write titles and character names etcetera correctly. But as long as you don't do that yourself, I find it a LITTLE annoying. What I _guess_ happened in this case is that Hoy didn't have his magazine next to his computer, and since he just wanted to say how great the story was, and everybody would understand what story it was anyway, he didn't bother to check it up. Frankly, I don't mind. > This is a > friendly advice to our friends at Gemstone too. Speaking of which, a couple of questions to "our friends at Gemstone": -- I noticed that a few stories in the July issue of US (or was it June?) did not have the same titles as in INDUCKS - and as I assume the titles in INDUCKS are the original titles from Egmont, I get the impression that these titles are CHANGED by Gemstone. Am I wrong, or is that the case? If so, why? -- Another similar question: In Gemstone publications, Miss Typefast's name is changed to "Quackfaster" because that's her name in American. But when it was said a month or two ago that Horace Horsecollar and Clarabelle Cow lived in Duckburg, that was not changed to Mouseton (which I assume is their hometown in American). Why not? (I haven't really been paying attention to DCML the last few weeks, so I'm sorry if any of this has been discussed earlier. With the amount of messages here nowadays I'm too lazy to check the archieves for that.) Best, Olaf the Blue From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com Thu Sep 11 02:47:25 2003 From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:47:25 EDT Subject: Three Caballeros/Some US 321 Observations Message-ID: Sigvald:> OK! But you must have failed to read the title of the story though (or have> Gemstone really messed this up?). Olaf: Gemstone has not "messed this up", no. The title printed in WDCS is "The Three Caballeros Ride Again". (but hey, what's the big deal - everybody understood what story we're talking about, right?) -------------------------------------------------------------- Exactly. How many Three Caballeros stories has Don Rosa made? :) Not too much room for confusion as far as understanding what one is talking about. I missed WDC 635(currently ordering it), so I haven't read Part 1 of the story, but the centerpiece of Part 2 for me was when Donald, Jose and Panchito get up on a bar room table and sing. It made the whole story that much better and fit really well. And how Jose and Panchito look up to Donald at times. That's a change from the usual Duck story. I also liked the references to "Treasure of the Sierra Madre" and Monty Python. About US 321: While "Attaaack!" is not the usual(nowadays) Don Rosa story, I'm always glad when he makes these kind of comedy stories. They may not be filled with historical detail like his usual stories, but I think stories like "Attaaack!" are just as good because it shows Rosa's creativity being used in a different direction. Long story short: It's a nice change of pace. :) And Carlos Mota's art on 'Dime and Dime Again Part 1': Let's just say that the two female office workers at the end wrere drawn rather attractively. It reminded me of how Carl Barks and other artists of that age may have drawn them, so I guess I shouldn't have been surprised when I found out that Barks had something to do with the plot (how much I don't know since Geoffrey Blum wrote it and I don't know the history behind the story). I wonder if Barks' style may have provided any inspiration to Mota or if he usually draws in that manner. Derek Smith -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030911/9f6e64d9/attachment.html From dve at kabelfoon.nl Thu Sep 11 04:22:00 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 04:22:00 +0200 Subject: Site-tip (The Encyclopedia of Animated Disney Shorts) Message-ID: <20030911020530.BBE7BBE635@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> I just discovered a this site: The Encyclopedia of Animated Disney Shorts http://disneyshorts.toonzone.net/index.html Site-map, to get an overview of the site's contents http://disneyshorts.toonzone.net/sitemap.html It's about animated Disney cartoons, but that means there are connections with (for example) Barks. Barks has worked on animated cartoons, and he has been an inspiration for a lot of Ducktales episodes. --- Dani?l "Hey! Somethin's makin' SENSE!" Which Barks story? Hint #1: "Scram! Do you think you WORK here?" Hint #2: "It looks VALUABLE! If it were only yours -" From dve at kabelfoon.nl Thu Sep 11 06:08:57 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 06:08:57 +0200 Subject: DuckTales help needed Message-ID: <20030911035229.57B01BE726@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> This information is taken from an e-mail by Christopher E. Barat, sent to the Disney Comics Mailing List on 18 August 1998: > [...] there were a few sequences in other [DuckTales] episodes that > were clearly adapted from Barks stories, such as the use of the > money-dam scenario and the "movable money bin" from "Only a Poor Old > Man" and the backup story in Uncle $crooge No. 15 in the first part of > the "Gizmoduck" serial. Which DuckTales episode is meant here, containing both the money-dam scenario (OS 386-02) and the movable money bin (US 15-05)? I think it could be one these episodes, though I'm not sure: 1st Season (1988-1989) - #027 A Drain In the Economy (Part 1) 2nd Season (1989-1990) - #066 Marking Time (Part 1) 2nd Season (1989-1990) - #079 The Golden Goose (Part One) 2nd Season (1989-1990) - #081 Liquid Assets (Part 1) List of DuckTales episodes, with part-identification of the serials: http://www.pazsaz.com/ducktale.html List of DuckTales episodes, with original air dates: http://www.geocities.com/supreme182/Duck-Tales.html --- Dani?l From lis- at wp.pl Thu Sep 11 08:15:52 2003 From: lis- at wp.pl (mateusz lis) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:15:52 +0200 Subject: Taliaferro In-Reply-To: <91E2BD72AB8BD3119FFB00508B55F07E0123DB71@mmahmjd1-xch01.hmj.egmont.com> Message-ID: Joakim Gunnarsson, 12-08-2003: > Talliaferro fans: Look out for #38 of the scandinavian weekly. > You'll find a *really rare* Taliaferro gem in that issue. I read this story [I/CGW X 1-01] yesterday and I really enjoyed it. I'd like to know the history behind this story. Why this is "really rare"? Is this the first publication in Europe? BTW, What is the INDUCKS story-code for this story? Best wishes, Mateusz Lis From are.myklebust at f1101.aetat.no Thu Sep 11 08:15:10 2003 From: are.myklebust at f1101.aetat.no (Myklebust,Are) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:15:10 +0200 Subject: Treasure of Marco - original dialogue Message-ID: DANIEL WROTE (08-SEP-2003): > TREASURE OF MARCO POLO - ORIGINAL DIALOGUE > Please report any errors/omissions. Hi Daniel! Just one small correction: > 20.6 > Wahn: "So you sneaked back to reunite Unsteadystan, prince? Well, the joke is > on you! Ha, ha!" The correct panel reference is 20.7. Best, Are Myklebust P.S. Does anyone have a scan of the cover of the first Disney comic book ever published, the Italian "Topolino" from December 31, 1932? From are.myklebust at f1101.aetat.no Thu Sep 11 08:06:41 2003 From: are.myklebust at f1101.aetat.no (Myklebust,Are) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:06:41 +0200 Subject: MM Best Comics Message-ID: Hi! David and others have given us great information about the American versions of the Italian "IO"-books. I only wanted to ad the info about the years those books where published: "Mickey Mouse - Best Comics" - 1978 "Donald Duck - Best Comics" - 1978 "Goofy - Best Comics" - 1979 "Uncle Scrooge - Best Comics" - 1979 "Animated Features and Silly Symphonies" - 1980 (I don't know anything about the "HDL" - book) Abbeville also published a special edition with "Mickey Mouse Joins the Foreign Legion". (I have actually only seen this book offered on ebay and I don't know if there where other similar books.) Best, Are Myklebust From timoro at hotmail.com Thu Sep 11 09:54:06 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 10:54:06 +0300 Subject: MM Best Comics Message-ID: Are: >Abbeville also published a special edition with "Mickey Mouse Joins the >Foreign Legion". (I have actually only seen this book offered on ebay and >I don't know if there where other similar books.) I've seen a special version of Barks' Magic Hourglass. It's size is half of the bigger DD-book, but I didn't bought it because it's the same mutilated version as in the big book. No good... :-( Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ............................... "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - kaikki yst?v?t klikkauksen p??ss?! Lataa t?st? ilmaiseksi. http://www.msn.fi/viestintapalvelut/Messenger From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Thu Sep 11 10:02:30 2003 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 10:02:30 +0200 Subject: Taliaferro Message-ID: <0DD8055E0FECF744B5FF8053F80C4A2DE75AA0@l07.oase.research.kpn.com> Lis: > > Taliaferro fans: Look out for #38 of the scandinavian weekly. > > You'll find a *really rare* Taliaferro gem in that issue. > > I read this story [I/CGW X 1-01] yesterday and I really enjoyed it. I'd > like to know the history behind this story. Why this is "really rare"? Is > this the first publication in Europe? > > BTW, What is the INDUCKS story-code for this story? The Inducks code is W CGW X 1-01 (I made up that code myself 8-). If the printed code is I/CGW X 1-01, then that's clearly taken from Inducks, but with a typo. The story was published in Italy (1987 and 2003) and Germany (2002). It's "really rare" in the sense that it's made for a giveaway comic. It has never been reprinted in the USA. The 2003 reprint in Italy and the German reprint are in comics that like to publish rare stories (ZIO PAPERONE and DD SONDERHEFT). Another rare thing is that Taliaferro made very few stories for the comic books directly. --Harry. From Joakim.Gunnarsson at egmont.se Thu Sep 11 10:21:16 2003 From: Joakim.Gunnarsson at egmont.se (Gunnarsson, Joakim SE - HMJ) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 10:21:16 +0200 Subject: Gottfredson's Mark O'Polo Message-ID: <91E2BD72AB8BD3119FFB00508B55F07E0123DC57@mmahmjd1-xch01.hmj.egmont.com> Timo wrote: > You can now see character study for Mark O'Polo here: > http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/markopolo.html > I think this one was in eBay long time ago. > > Yes, I've seen that one. Reading the scripts makes me wish that Gottfredson at least did some finished art. Marc O'Polo would have been a wonderful mix between Wash Tubbs, Steve Canyon, E.C. Segars Popeye and (of course) Mickey Mouse. (The stuff I've read shows clear and obvious influences from all of the above comic strips.) Maybe someday more artwork will turn up. /Joakim. From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Thu Sep 11 10:46:47 2003 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 10:46:47 +0200 Subject: MM Best Comics Message-ID: <0DD8055E0FECF744B5FF8053F80C4A2DE75AA1@l07.oase.research.kpn.com> Timo asked: > Does anyone know how many of these huge Best Comics > volumes were made in English? are they all indexed? We have some information about Best Comics in Inducks. Six large hard-bound books, and six smaller books, also called "Best Comics". Both series are from Abbeville. The large books' ISBN numbers: W BCS 1 Donald Duck 1978 [ISBN 0-89659-006-2] W BCS 2 Mickey Mouse 1978 [ISBN 0-89659-005-4] W BCS 3 Animated Features and Silly Symphonies 1980 [ISBN 0-89659-120-4] W BCS 4 Goofy [unknown] W BCS 5 Uncle Scrooge [unknown] W BCS 6 Donald and His Nephews / Huey, Dewey and Louie [unknown] The smaller books are all from 1980: W BC 1 MM meets Robin Hood [ISBN 0-89659-176-X] W BC 2 DD and the Golden Helmet [ISBN 0-89659-178-6] W BC 3 MM joins the Foreign Legion [ISBN 0-89659-175-1] W BC 4 DD and the Magic Hourglass [ISBN 0-89659-177-8] W BC 5 GO on Cave Man Island [ISBN 0-89659-179-4] W BC 6 US and the Secret of the Old Castle [ISBN 0-89659-179-4] Are reported: > "Goofy - Best Comics" - 1979 > "Uncle Scrooge - Best Comics" - 1979 Thanks, I'll add the missing years to Inducks. And renumber the albums accordingly... (I'll also add David's information about the various versions of the albums.) --Harry. From timoro at hotmail.com Thu Sep 11 11:19:53 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 12:19:53 +0300 Subject: Gottfredson's Mark O'Polo Message-ID: Joakim: >Reading the scripts.... So there are scripts made? >Maybe someday more artwork will turn up. Let's hope so. Maybe someday in Complete Gottfredson Library, in non-Disney-works -volume? Mark O?Polo plus his early comic cartoons. Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ............................... "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - kaikki yst?v?t klikkauksen p??ss?! Lataa t?st? ilmaiseksi. http://www.msn.fi/viestintapalvelut/Messenger From Erland.Heir at ergo.no Wed Sep 10 13:49:16 2003 From: Erland.Heir at ergo.no (Erland Heir) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:49:16 +0200 Subject: Election in Duckburg Message-ID: I have recently read a Barks story, where $crooge, standing in a park, speaking to a crowd, tries to be elected. Anyone here who knows how many times (and witch Barks stories) $crooge and Donald has tried to be elected and does anybody of them ever succeed? Erland From Joakim.Gunnarsson at egmont.se Thu Sep 11 12:35:53 2003 From: Joakim.Gunnarsson at egmont.se (Gunnarsson, Joakim SE - HMJ) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 12:35:53 +0200 Subject: Gottfredson's Mark O'Polo Message-ID: <91E2BD72AB8BD3119FFB00508B55F07E0123DC5E@mmahmjd1-xch01.hmj.egmont.com> > So there are scripts made? > Yes. No full storylines as far as I know, but concepts/id?as and introduction strips as well as individual gags exists. /Joakim. From 9729 at lyskom.lysator.liu.se Thu Sep 11 12:56:45 2003 From: 9729 at lyskom.lysator.liu.se (Magnus Bark (Farbror Skojskoj, en av de tjocka farbröderna) @ DCML (-) Disney Comics Mailing List (import & export)) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 06:56:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Gottfredson's Mark O'Polo In-Reply-To: <91E2BD72AB8BD3119FFB00508B55F07E0123DC5E@mmahmjd1-xch01.hmj.egmont.com> Message-ID: <10672328..Exportoeren.1063277804-58583062@kom.lysator.liu.se> Min dator v?snas s? mycket att det inte l?r spela stor roll. / Magnus Bark (Farbror Skojskoj, en av de tjocka farbr?derna) Previous text: >2003-09-11 12:41: >Subject: RE: Gottfredson's Mark O'Polo >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> So there are scripts made? >> > Yes. No full storylines as far as I know, > but concepts/id?as and introduction strips as well as individual >gags exists. > > /Joakim. > >_______________________________________________ >http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml > > > / Brevb?raren > From reimersholme at hotmail.com Thu Sep 11 14:17:56 2003 From: reimersholme at hotmail.com (Stefan Persson) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 14:17:56 +0200 Subject: Gottfredson's Mark O'Polo Message-ID: This is an English-language list, yet some people use other languages on it. Here is a translation of the latest non-English message: MAGNUS: Please use English on this list in the future! >From: "Magnus Bark (Farbror Skojskoj, en av de tjocka farbr?derna) @ DCML >(-) Disney Comics Mailing List (import & export)" ><9729 at lyskom.lysator.liu.se> >To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se >Subject: RE: Gottfredson's Mark O'Polo >Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 06:56:45 -0400 (EDT) > >My computer makes so much noise that it probably won't make any big >difference. > > / Magnus Bark (Farbror Skojskoj, en av de tjocka farbr?derna) > >Previous text: > >2003-09-11 12:41: > >Subject: RE: Gottfredson's Mark O'Polo > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >> So there are scripts made? > >> > > Yes. No full storylines as far as I know, > > but concepts/id?as and introduction strips as well as individual > >gags exists. > > > > /Joakim. > > > >_______________________________________________ > >http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml > > > > > > / Brevb?raren > > >_______________________________________________ >http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml _________________________________________________________________ Hitta r?tt p? n?tet med MSN S?k http://search.msn.se/ From dve at kabelfoon.nl Thu Sep 11 15:07:42 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:07:42 +0200 Subject: Barks caricature in quiet neighborhood story? (WDC 178) Message-ID: <20030911125104.9A8DF1A03C4@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> In the quiet neighborhood story (WDC 178), Donald gets in a quarrel with an author living next door. Somewhere in Donald Ault's book "Carl Barks Conversations", Barks remembers that he based this story on real-life circumstances. He really had loud neighbours at the time. (Can someone check up this part?) Looking at the story, I find that the author looks like a caricature of Carl Barks. Especially on page 5 and 6, when he still wears his glasses. Only his hairdo looks a bit too unorganized. (But then, it's the middle of the night.) BTW. I think I've seen far more Barks caricatures in Barks's work than the few very obvious ones which are already known. I can list some, if you like. --- Dani?l "A set of TIRE CHAINS raking up and down in the air pipes! How do you like 'em, eh!" From dve at kabelfoon.nl Thu Sep 11 15:12:27 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:12:27 +0200 Subject: CarmenG (Re: DCML Digest, Vol 7, Issue 23) Message-ID: <20030911125551.CE8E3BEF77@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> CARMENG, 10-09-2003: You wrote... nothing. If there was a message in the body of your email, then it hasn't reached the list. Or, at least not properly. See: http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-September/024915.html --- Dani?l From reimersholme at hotmail.com Thu Sep 11 15:13:15 2003 From: reimersholme at hotmail.com (Stefan Persson) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:13:15 +0200 Subject: CarmenG (Re: DCML Digest, Vol 7, Issue 23) Message-ID: "Re: Issue 23"?! When I got CarmenG's empty message, it said issue *21*! Stefan >From: "Daniel van Eijmeren" >To: >CC: CarmenG at aol.com >Subject: CarmenG (Re: DCML Digest, Vol 7, Issue 23) >Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:12:27 +0200 > >CARMENG, 10-09-2003: > >You wrote... nothing. If there was a message in the body of your email, >then it hasn't reached the list. Or, at least not properly. >See: http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-September/024915.html > >--- Dani?l >_______________________________________________ >http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml _________________________________________________________________ Hitta r?tt p? n?tet med MSN S?k http://search.msn.se/ From dve at kabelfoon.nl Thu Sep 11 16:06:04 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 16:06:04 +0200 Subject: Morgan's Ghost (Re: From the Disney Studios and Dali...) Message-ID: <20030911134927.568C4BE5FC@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> GEO, 09-09-2003: > http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/07/movies/moviesspecial/07CANE.html > September 7, 2003 > The Lost Cartoon by Disney and Dal?, Fellow Surrealists > By JOHN CANEMAKER Interesting! The descriptions sound amazing! > Still, economic worries undoubtedly contributed to Disney's caution, > Roy Disney said: "In those postwar years, `Destino' was not what you > expected from Disney." (Of course, it isn't what we expect from Disney > now, either.) "Walt wanted to be an artist," Mr. Disney continued. > "But he got knocked down by `Fantasia,' and the war was brutal. He > had to go and make money." I think there's an obvious difference between Disney's first three movies ("Snow White", "Pinocchio", and "Fantasia"), and the later movies. The first three movies look like artistic masterpieces, while the later movies mostly look like "safe" family amusement. (IMO) Has anyone asked Roy E. Disney if there's a change that "Morgan's Ghost" will ever be finished? Lately, Disney seems to be focussed on classic Disney stuff, so this could be the movie to go for. "Morgan's Ghost" would star Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, and Goofy. If the movie becomes a succes (and I'm willing to bet on that), it will be a great promotion of these characters. I think "Morgan's Ghost" is an important "missing link" within the Disney catalogue. For the people searching for a comic book connection: "Morgan's Ghost" was rewritten as comic book story, drawn by Carl Barks and Jack Hannah, titled "Donald Duck finds Pirate Gold" (OS 9). --- Dani?l From dve at kabelfoon.nl Thu Sep 11 16:09:02 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 16:09:02 +0200 Subject: CarmenG (Re: DCML Digest, Vol 7, Issue 23) Message-ID: <20030911135224.7B859BE613@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> STEFAN PERSSON to me, 11-09-2003: > Onderwerp: Re: CarmenG (Re: DCML Digest, Vol 7, Issue 23) > Datum: donderdag 11 september 2003 15:13 > "Re: Issue 23"?! When I got CarmenG's empty message, it said > issue *21*! You're right! My error! --- Dani?l From cord at wiljes.de Thu Sep 11 16:40:09 2003 From: cord at wiljes.de (Cord Wiljes) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 16:40:09 +0200 Subject: AW: Morgan's Ghost (Re: From the Disney Studios and Dali...) In-Reply-To: <20030911134927.568C4BE5FC@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Message-ID: <002d01c37872$99ec2220$0101a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> Dani?l wrote: > I think there's an obvious difference between Disney's first three > movies ("Snow White", "Pinocchio", and "Fantasia"), and the later movies. > The first three movies look like artistic masterpieces, while > the later movies mostly look like "safe" family amusement. (IMO) This is exactly how I feel about the Disney movies but could not name it until I read your message. Recently a German federal institute voted a list of 35 international movies which they recommended to be watched and discussed in school. There was one Disney movie on this list: The Jungle Book. Of course the Jungle Book is a wonderful and entertaining movie. But it is also very commercial. And predictable. And a little bit silly. "Snow White", "Pinocchio", some episodes from "Fantasia" and "Dumbo" to some extent on the other hand play in quite another league: They have more contrast! And they can be quite disturbing, I believe. Beneath the bright colors, beautiful images and sweet songs there lurks real life: failure, loneliness and death. Cord From timoro at hotmail.com Thu Sep 11 17:33:53 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 18:33:53 +0300 Subject: Morgan's Ghost (Re: From the Disney Studios and Dali...) Message-ID: >Has anyone asked Roy E. Disney if there's a change that "Morgan's Ghost" >will ever be finished? Lately, Disney seems to be focussed on classic I think that would be perfect right now, as The Curse of The Black Pearl made big bucks. Pirates might be considered "in" again. Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ............................... "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - kaikki yst?v?t klikkauksen p??ss?! Lataa t?st? ilmaiseksi. http://www.msn.fi/viestintapalvelut/Messenger From raptus at stofanet.dk Thu Sep 11 17:35:34 2003 From: raptus at stofanet.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Krarup_Olesen?=) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 17:35:34 +0200 Subject: Homages to Non-Disney comics in Disney comics In-Reply-To: <03e001c377c8$1f390160$8e469dd9@idb3156> References: <03e001c377c8$1f390160$8e469dd9@idb3156> Message-ID: <3F609646.7010405@stofanet.dk> LARS: > On the other hand, there is of course the cavewoman Oona, whose name > is partly an homage to Alley Oop's girlfriend Ooola. But then again, > Oona was conceived of without any thought of Ooola until the > character had to be named -- only the name links the two -- so that's > not really a full-fledged homage, either. Are you sure about that, or is that where the "partly" comes in? I've always thought that Oona was named after Stefan Printz-P?hlson's wife Unn...after all they wrote the first story featuring Oona. S?ren From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Thu Sep 11 18:10:36 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 18:10:36 +0200 Subject: CarmenG (Re: DCML Digest, Vol 7, Issue 23) References: <20030911125551.CE8E3BEF77@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Message-ID: <003c01c3787f$3c73af20$f5f0fdc1@computer> Dani?l to Carmen: >>>> You wrote... nothing. "Something that looks like nothing" "Or *nothing* that loks like something" ? ;) >>>> If there was a message in the body of your email, >>>> then it hasn't reached the list. Or, at least not properly. In any case, it wasn't a bad read. Olivier From lschulte at sfstoledo.org Thu Sep 11 18:32:54 2003 From: lschulte at sfstoledo.org (L. Schulte) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 12:32:54 -0400 Subject: Disney Cartoon Movies In-Reply-To: <200309111539.h8BFcsrN011342@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.1.20030911122600.00aa19b8@10.0.0.8> Some people were discussing the early Disney movies and mentioned the original Fantasia. What are your opinions on the new one that was called Fantasia 2000. ? I thought it was quite wonderful, especially the sequence accompanied by Respighi's Pines of Rome that showed the whales flying into the universe. Two things I would have changed: I really think this sequence with Respighi was the greatest one, and should have been moved therefore to the end. Also, I really did not care for the New York story with Gershwin's music. Non-Disney news: I have heard that Warner Brothers is releasing a Bugs Bunny/Daffy Duck movie around Christmas time called Looney Tunes: Back in Action. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030911/2e954655/attachment.html From cord at wiljes.de Thu Sep 11 20:04:57 2003 From: cord at wiljes.de (Cord Wiljes) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 20:04:57 +0200 Subject: Commercial Links Message-ID: <004401c3788f$36b9ab60$0101a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> Often there are Disney items published in one country which may be interesting to list members in other countries. Even if a book is written in a language I do not understand I may consider buying the item. It may be: + the world's first edition of a story - like the Barks/Lustig/Block "Somewhere in Nowhere" in Italian "Tesori Tre" + a picture book with just a short introduction - like the German art book "Wer ist Carl Barks" by Gottfried Helnwein + a book published in English - like the complete Gottfredson reprint published in Germany, which we recently discussed on this list + a merchandising article - like the great Disney figures produced by Rutten + a publication which combines a lot of information - like the German Floyd Gottfredson Checklist in "Hommage an Floyd Gottfredson" ... Or someone sees a special sale of Disney items somewhere, or a very rare item on ebay. Or something which is not Disney but might be interesting to other list members - like a looney tunes item. Of course mentioning something like this on the list will make people want to know where to order the items. But the list is non-commercial (which is a very good thing) so in most cases posting links to commercial sites is not suitable. So I would like to make the following suggestion: If someone has discovered a nice item and wants to inform the others about it, he or he can post the info together with a link to an online shop which delivers internationally tp www.dcml-talk.org Like I just posted links to the items mentioned above to: http://www.dcml-talk.org/read.php?f=1&i=179&t=179 Cord From cord at wiljes.de Thu Sep 11 20:19:20 2003 From: cord at wiljes.de (Cord Wiljes) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 20:19:20 +0200 Subject: AW: Commercial Links In-Reply-To: <004401c3788f$36b9ab60$0101a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> Message-ID: <004501c37891$38f9ec80$0101a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> I wrote: > (...) others about it, he or he can (...) ^^^^^^^^ Maybe a Freudian typo? BTW: Why are the so few female Duck fans out there? Cord From dve at kabelfoon.nl Thu Sep 11 23:00:14 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 23:00:14 +0200 Subject: Barks's Glittering Goldie paintings Message-ID: <20030911204346.6535FBE7C1@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> LARS JENSEN to KATIE SULLIVAN, 10-09-2003: >>> So what? Glittering Goldie also is a one-time Barks fenomenon. >> In the comics, true. But she popped up in an awful lot of his oil >> paintings. http://www.sullivanet.com/duckburg/barksoils/ [...] > I don't know much about Barks' oil paintings, but... Did he paint the > Goldie-oriented ones because he had a desire to use that character? Or > because the customers who ordered the paintings had asked for Goldie > to be included in them? I don't know. But if so, Barks could have objected to using her. Maybe a variation of this question would be: Did Barks create the Duck-oriented stories because he had a desire to use these characters? Or because the editor who ordered the stories had asked for the Ducks to be included in them? Barks has often said that he'd rather would have drawn humans instead of ducks. So, according to the point you seem to be making, most of Barks's comic book work should also be put aside as "commissioned work". Well, is that really what you meant? :-) --- Dani?l From dve at kabelfoon.nl Thu Sep 11 23:28:16 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 23:28:16 +0200 Subject: Conclusion when no items are found in databases Message-ID: <20030911211157.13B2BBE762@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> TIMO RONKAINEN to LARS JENSEN, 10-09-2003: >> I've searched Inducks and couldn't find any pre-1986 comics >> written by Pezzin for Disney. Did he do some other work for them? > How odd. Here it is: http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/simp.php If Inducks really wouldn't have found any results, then it's also very well possible that the Inducks database (or any other database) is INCOMPLETE on that point. --- Dani?l From dve at kabelfoon.nl Fri Sep 12 00:20:32 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 00:20:32 +0200 Subject: Barks's Disney paintings, inspired or custum-ordered? Message-ID: <20030911220404.0AC20BE6C2@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> KATIE SULLIVAN to LARS JENSEN, 10-09-2003 > It was always my assumption that most of Bark's paintings (but > not all) were done based on his own ideas and inspirations rather > than custom-ordered by fans. I think it's a combination of both, just like most of his other work. In the BarksBase, Gerd Syllwasschi mentions under Barks's Disney painting "Pleasure in the Treasure" (2-72): "For the first time, Barks was free to choose the subject himself." http://www.barksbase.de/english/h/7202.htm I don't know where this information comes from, though. There are two earlier paintings which seem to have a new concept, instead of an existant cover design: "Blue Composition of Ducks" (21-71) http://www.barksbase.de/english/h/7121.htm "Christmas Composition" (1-72) http://www.barksbase.de/english/h/7201.htm If Gerd's information is right, then the subjects of these earlier paintings seem to have been ordered by customers. Still, as far as I know, the scenes of these paintings were designed/staged by Barks himself. So, maybe that's the relatively small difference between a free subject and a commissioned subject. For a commisioned subject, Barks (apparently) got some initial directions from the custumor. For a free subject, Barks (apparently) got no directions at all. This would make him free to do whatever he wished, as long as the painting contained Ducks and an commercially interesting image. Please notice that I'm just GUESSING. > (My website is down right now...I don't know why.) :( Cheer it up, then! :-) --- Dani?l "Hey! Somethin's makin' SENSE!" Which Barks story? Hint #1: "Scram! Do you think you WORK here?" Hint #2: "It looks VALUABLE! If it were only yours -" Hint #3: "A little AIRING won't hurt this antique charm!" From dve at kabelfoon.nl Fri Sep 12 01:36:47 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 01:36:47 +0200 Subject: Fantasia 2000, Fantasound, other sounds (OT) Message-ID: <20030911232016.804D6BE633@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> L. SCHULTE, 11-09-2003: > Some people were discussing the early Disney movies and mentioned the > original Fantasia. > What are your opinions on the new one that was called Fantasia 2000. ? > I thought it was quite wonderful, especially the sequence accompanied by > Respighi's Pines of Rome that showed the whales flying into the > universe. Two things I would have changed: I really think this sequence > with Respighi was the greatest one, and should have been moved therefore > to the end. Being an admirer of "Fantasia", I found "Fantasia 2000" a bit disappointing. I expected MUCH more technical and artistic highlights. The whales scenes looked wonderful, but the animation itself was not ground-breaking at all (IMO). It looked like computer-work that I could have seen before, or am I wrong about that? > Also, I really did not care for the New York story with Gershwin's music. Do you mean the city-life part, where only outlines of characters were shown, or something like that? I liked it very much! I'm sure that when I'll see "Fantasia 2000" again, it will look much better to me than the first time. I expected a mind-blowing, state-of-the-art path-breaking masterpiece like the old "Fantasia". But I think "Fantasia 2000" comes closer to compilation-movies like "Make Mine Music", instead. I'm curious if a DVD-release of "Fantasia" would be censored (like the early 1990s VHS-release), or not. And would the DVD-release make use of the original seven-channel "Fantasound" sound-recording? This way of recording is comparable with the five-channel sound-reproduction of modern cinema's and DVD. For this 1930s sound-technique alone, "Fantasia" already was far ahead of it's time. The early 1990s soundtrack- and video-releases have "just" a stereo-mix (two channels), which I already found remarkable for such an old recording. According to the leaflet of the CD-soundtrack, "Fantasia" revolutionized motion picture sound. (Is that so?) It says the recording were done by Leopold Stokowski. I believe Stokowski was the sound-freak (and inventor?) who insisted on this path-breaking, experimental way of sound-recording. About other sound-techniques, I wonder if the old 1930s Disney cartoons contain vocal overdubs (the same voice being recorded multiple times, so that one person can be heard as being more than just one person - just think of the 1970s popsong "Bohemian Rhapsody" by Queen, for example). I believe Clarence Nash did both Donald's voice and the nephews's voices. Are there examples were they are talking through each other at the same time? I believe that the 1930s animations were recorded in three-track. One track for the music, one track for sound-effects, and one for the dialogue. If that's true, then overdubbing was technically possible as early as the 1930s. (Or was there a stand-in for any multiple voices, like those for Donald and his nephews?) I'm curious if these such three-track tapes(?) still exist, that would give some (limited) possibilities to remix the cartoons to stereo-sound. Maybe this would be a nice subject for DCML-TALK? (http://www.dcml-talk.org) Was the Walt Disney Company innovative in sound-recording, reallly pushing the borders, or did they just mostly use techniques which were already available at the time? Are there sites about this subject? BTW. I don't know very much about animation. Please let me know wherever I'm wrong. --- Dani?l From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com Fri Sep 12 02:04:28 2003 From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 20:04:28 EDT Subject: Barks caricature in quiet neighborhood story? (WDC 178) Message-ID: <1e8.f70ebfb.2c92678c@aol.com> Daniel van Eijmeren wrote: In the quiet neighborhood story (WDC 178), Donald gets in a quarrel with an author living next door.Somewhere in Donald Ault's book "Carl Barks Conversations", Barks remembers that he based this story on real-life circumstances. He really had loud neighbours at the time. (Can someone check up this part?) ----------------------------------------------------------- On page 117 of "Carl Barks Conversations": Klaus Strzyz: Do you have any favorite stories? Carl Barks: There are lots of them! Of the 10-pagers, the story I like best is the one in which Donald has a chicken farm and stacks the eggs so high that when an earthquake shakes them loose they cover the town on the valley floor and have to be burned. And then there's the one where the ducks move into a quiet neighborhoof and Donald is naturally the loudest one of all. That's really good and even the secondary figures are well done, for example the cheese-taster who blows his alphenhorn [WDC178]. Gare Barks: At the time Carl was writing that story, we lived in an aprtment house with awfully loud neighbors. Only upstairs it was quiet. Carl Barks: The woman that lived there was drunk all day, and the only noise that one heard from her was when another empty wine bottle fell to the floor. But next door-- frightful! Derek Smith -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030912/a34ca224/attachment.html From CarmenG at aol.com Fri Sep 12 02:21:49 2003 From: CarmenG at aol.com (CarmenG@aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 20:21:49 EDT Subject: Oops--CarmenG's blank message Message-ID: <1d5.1095f6b1.2c926b9d@aol.com> Hello, and my apologies for the blank mailing a couple of days ago. I have a one-year-old daughter who has perfectly wonderful toys, but her favorite things to play with are the remote control and the computer keyboard. A toy keyboard or a toy remote control will not satisfy. I'm afraid I was reading my email with her in my lap one night & she must have clicked some buttons that sent off a reply. So--I'm sorry. But--this blank message received more response than my usual dull postings, so what does THAT say about me?!! Carmen By the way, Daniel, I think we corresponded privately a couple of years ago...? I'm trying to remember.... From bangfish at comcast.net Fri Sep 12 02:43:43 2003 From: bangfish at comcast.net (Gary Leach) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 20:43:43 -0400 Subject: Questions from Olaf In-Reply-To: <200309110353.h8B3rZrN023785@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <2948B136-E4BA-11D7-A7ED-000393C28E48@comcast.net> Olaf asks: > -- I noticed that a few stories in the July issue of US (or was it > June?) did > not have the same titles as in INDUCKS - and as I assume the titles in > INDUCKS > are the original titles from Egmont, I get the impression that these > titles are > CHANGED by Gemstone. Am I wrong, or is that the case? If so, why? I don't know right at the moment which stories you mean (I'm mentally completely absorbed by the material going into the December issues - six books in all, and two of 'em - DDA #3 and Christmas Parade No. 1 - all mine to finalize and send out to prepress by next week, hoo hah!), but we do change titles of Egmont stories here and there. One reason is that the Egmont title doesn't quite seem to capture what the story is about, at least as we see it. Another is that the title seems clunky somehow, or just plain dull. We may or may not improve it by our substitution, but these are the reasons we do it. > -- Another similar question: In Gemstone publications, Miss Typefast's > name is > changed to "Quackfaster" because that's her name in American. But when > it was > said a month or two ago that Horace Horsecollar and Clarabelle Cow > lived in > Duckburg, that was not changed to Mouseton (which I assume is their > hometown in > American). Why not? Simple: we didn't catch that reference to Duckburg until the story had gone to press. Gary From vazali at yahoo.com Fri Sep 12 03:11:36 2003 From: vazali at yahoo.com (Katie Sullivan) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 18:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: paintings and websites In-Reply-To: <200309120008.h8C08BrO012104@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <20030912011136.68482.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> > From: "Daniel van Eijmeren" > > Barks has often said that he'd rather would have drawn humans > instead > of ducks. So, according to the point you seem to be making, > most of > Barks's comic book work should also be put aside as > "commissioned work". > > Well, is that really what you meant? :-) I'm not sure if you meant that for Lars or me, but it certainly wasn't why *I* meant! ;) It's a good point, though. I like to think that Barks may have started out preferring to draw humans instead of ducks, but the ducks grew on him as years passed. > From: "Daniel van Eijmeren" > > (My website is down right now...I don't know why.) :( > > Cheer it up, then! :-) LOL! I wish I could! It seems my webhost has disappeared without warning. Grr! I've hired a different company now, but it may be a few days before everything is up and running again. It'll still be at the same address, though. Katie Sullivan http://www.sullivanet.com/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From dve at kabelfoon.nl Fri Sep 12 05:07:18 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 05:07:18 +0200 Subject: Dime and Dime Again (Re: Three Caballeros/Some US 321 Observations) Message-ID: <20030912025114.12CAD19FB67@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> DEREK SMITH, 10-09-2003: > [US 321] And Carlos Mota's art on 'Dime and Dime Again Part 1': Let's > just say that the two female office workers at the end wrere drawn > rather attractively. It reminded me of how Carl Barks and other > artists of that age may have drawn them, so I guess I shouldn't have > been surprised when I found out that Barks had something to do with > the plot (how much I don't know since Geoffrey Blum wrote it and I > don't know the history behind the story). I wonder if Barks' style > may have provided any inspiration to Mota or if he usually draws in > that manner. Read my email of 21 June 2003, in which I've mentioned what I know about Barks's idea that inspired Geoffrey Blum to write this story: http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-June/023412.html As far as I know, Barks and Blum have never communicated about the making of the story. But I might be wrong. If so, please let me know. Has Blum himself ever commented on this story? Will there be an article about it in a Gemstone comic, for example? There are differences between Barks's idea and Blum's story. And I'm the kind of nitpicker who falls over such things. In Barks's idea, Scrooge BUYS lottery tickets. In the story this has been replaced by getting lottery tickets for free, or something like that. In my opinion, this was an inferior replacement for a *very* interesting story-ingredient. I didn't understand the part where a nephew decides to saw down a tree. With a chain-saw, no less. I find this a remarkable move for a nephew, even in instances without references to Junior Woodchucks. At least according to the Dutch translation, there is absolutely NO reason to saw down the tree. The nephew just wants to help Scrooge being a bit faster. (I can't stand it when trees are sawed down. This is a pet peeve. In the city where I live, people chop down trees to have lots of sun in their garden, and then they hide under a parasol to have at least *some* shadow...) Anyway, somehow I expected a lot more from Blum than this story. But maybe that's also because I'm too familiar with the idea. Reason is that I've tried to script it myself, as a shooting script, before Blum's story was published. Just for fun, as a practice. I'm just an amateur writer. In that shooting script, Scrooge is so desperate that he even takes advice from Gladstone Gander. (As I said, Scrooge is really very desperate.) Gladstone is an expert in being lucky, so that's how Scrooge gets the silly idea of buying lottery tickets to test his own luck. This was my solution to let Scrooge make this strange but interesting out-of-character move in a believable way. I was disappointed when I curiously looked for Blum's solution for this story-point, only to find out that it just wasn't included at all. (Or did I overlook something?) There was one story-point I've ignored. I couldn't get the story working if Scrooge *knows* his dime is stolen by the Beagle Boys. That would raise too much questions to get a story going. Maybe Blum thought the same about this. In Blum's story, Scrooge doesn't know what exactly happened with the dime, neither. Some other notes: I like Carlos Mota's art for the story, but I find the staging of the panels too slanted. It looks like being on a ship on a stormy sea. Otherwise, I find art mostly very good. Someone told me that Blum uses the godfather/mastermind Grandpa Beagle from Don Rosa's stories. (There is no such Grandpa Beagle in Barks's stories.) I don't know if the story is titled "From Dime to Dime", or "Dime and Dime Again", or both. --- Dani?l From dve at kabelfoon.nl Fri Sep 12 05:14:43 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 05:14:43 +0200 Subject: Note from Donald Ault, about Barks's Disney paintings Message-ID: <20030912025812.0C871BE66F@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Here's a note from Donald Ault. - - - - - - - From: "Donald D. Ault" To: "Daniel van Eijmeren" Subject: Re: Barks's Disney paintings, inspired or custum-ordered? Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 21:04:43 -0400 [...] The first money bin ("Pleasure in the Treasure") was commissioned by San Francisco comics store owner and publisher Gary Arlington. It was ordered through me, and Gary specifically told me to tell Carl that he could painting anything he wanted. (I remember that Gary said something to the effect that he'd had lots of experience with creative people like R. Crumb, and they always did their best when they were given free reign.) So the idea of a "money bin" painting was Carl's own. Gary Arlington didn't indicate in any way what he wanted--except that it be an original composition and not a recreation of one of the covers as most of the early paintings had been. We discussed this at length in part of my 1997 interview, excerpts from which appear on pages 194-95 of my Barks Conversations book. This fact about Arlington's "no strings" request is referred to on page 88 of the Fine Art book as well. The subject matter of the other two paintings mentioned was generally dictated by potential buyers--one who wanted a Christmas scene and one who wanted a "posed" picture of the some of the major characters. The Christmas scene, however, went up for public auction through Russ Cochran, and the potential buyer who had requested that topic ended up buying it for the highest bid. The "Blue Ducks" painting was sold directly to the person who originally suggested the "posed characters" painting idea. Donald Ault Professor of English University of Florida ault at ufl.edu http://www.nwe.ufl.edu/~donault/ From theresaw at oso.chalmers.se Fri Sep 12 09:36:36 2003 From: theresaw at oso.chalmers.se (Theresa Wiegert) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:36:36 +0200 (CEST) Subject: female duck fans In-Reply-To: <200309120008.h8C08BrP012104@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: Cord: > BTW: Why are the so few female Duck fans out there? Beats me. Both me and my mother are serious fans as is everyone else (though male) in the family. But then again, there's a difference in fanhood also - I'm not nearly as geeky (sorry for the expression, it's not meant as an insult, I like geekyness, it adds personality) as most of the people here. I have other geekqualities though, so I'm still ok, I hope... But generally, perhaps geekyness is a male trait - coming to think of it, not so many of my female friends are obsessed about a certain thing like men often can be. I wonder why... (that is just a personal observation though, and not enough for a statistic conclusion) L. Schulte, about Fantasia 2000: Nice film, with the pure genious of the flamingo with a yoyo (of the same stuff as For the Birds, the pixarfilm shown before Monsters inc, also totally magnifiecent). That one and Noas ark (?) (ship, boat, floating zoo) starring Donald and Daisy were the abolute best ones, in my opinion. Gerschwins NY-piece was magnificent, and a good break in style... while the whales left me completely untouched... the differences in taste are interesting. But (as Daniel mentions also), there wasn't really anything groundbreaking about it, like the old one... Also, I failed to realize why it is a good idea to reuse the Magician's apprentice-part... cheers! /Theresa From ramapith at mail.dk Fri Sep 12 13:31:30 2003 From: ramapith at mail.dk (David Gerstein) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 12:31:30 +0100 Subject: Edgerton, Albert, Basttista & Duckworth? Message-ID: Hi Rich, > I know for the INDUCKS Scrooge's butler has been listed as "Battista" and > called > an "Italian" creation, but I would like to dispute this claim. Battista as he has evolved over the years (basically a harried live-in domestic at the money bin who also functions as a business aide) is really an Italian concept. True: he may have been INSPIRED by random butlers in Barks stories, and as you've noticed, Battista himself has an inconsistent "look" in his earlier appearances. But that doesn't mean he was deliberately intended as the SAME CHARACTER as those earlier butlers. Anyway, he has long since become a consistent character with no resemblance to the others? and this happened in Italy. For all intents and purposes, I'd call him an Italian DEVELOPMENT, if not absolutely an Italian creation. > In Barks' very first appearance of Uncle Scrooge (W OS 178-02 "Christmas On > Bear > Mountain") a dognose butler appears. Scrooge calls him Edgerton. [...] > Evenso, it is my belief that Battista is actually just an evolution of > Edgerton, Edgerton never appears again, after this single story, until his later use by Don Rosa (in the 1990s!). Do keep that in mind. I think any similarity in appearance between Battista and Edgerton is purely coincidental. I might be convinced otherwise if Edgerton were translated with the name Battista in the early Italian editions of "Bear Mountain", but I don't have those editions to check. (Italians? Want to help me here?) > I recall discussing this previously with someone and was advised that > appearances > of Scrooge's butler in the USA he was called "Albert" though I am not aware of > any > such occurrances. I may be that someone. What you're remembering is that Egmont calls Battista Albert in English. When we've used him in our own stories, we've called him Albert; he's also appeared as Albert at various times in Egmont's British and Indian pocketbooks. So Albert is Battista's English name, but it has no bearing on the American comics, where no stories with Battista have ever been used to my knowledge. > Now, in the case of Duckworth from DUCKTALES, there is very little about > Duckworth > that would make me believe that, other than the name change, the producers of > DUCKTALES did not intend Duckworth to, in fact BE Barks' Edgerton. In fact, I > would dare say, as with Mrs. Featherby (Scrooge's secretary in DUCKTALES) who > is > obviously intended to be Miss Quackfaster/Typefast, Duckworth is indeed > Edgerton. I might agree with you here if anyone had used Edgerton after 1947. But no; Edgerton simply appears in that one story and was totally forgotten afterward. Other butlers did appear as one-offs and a few of them did look sort of like Duckworth, too: it's just as likely that Duckworth is inspired by those butlers as by the original Edgerton. If by ANY earlier character, that is. Ten years ago, I spoke to DuckTales staffers? some of whom were fond of the Barks stories, but others of whom seemed indifferent and didn't mind changing the plots radically for TV. Why should we presume that this same crew conscientiously went out of their way to do well by characters as minor as Edgerton? They seized on Miss Quackfaster because she was all over the European Disney comics at the time and very hard to miss. The same can't be said of Edgerton, with his one appearance in 1947. > Thus, it is my conclusion that Edgerton is Barks' ORIGINAL name for Scrooge's > butler and Duckworth is the cartoon name for the SAME character. Perhaps his > full > name is Edgerton Duckworth (which does have a very upper-class sound for a > name). Until I see some real evidence, I just can't believe that Battista/Albert = Duckworth = Edgerton. > What do you all think? Am I WAY off base on this assumption... I'm afraid IMHO you are "WAY off base". Had Edgerton been a recurring character in the old days you might well be right, but as he was a one-off, I think your reports of his importance are greatly exaggerated. Best, David From david.lazzari at inwind.it Fri Sep 12 12:34:17 2003 From: david.lazzari at inwind.it (david.lazzari@inwind.it) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 12:34:17 +0200 Subject: Reprint of 'Il Topolino d'oro' Message-ID: Hi everybody! I'm David, from Italy (if everybody don't know me..) I have a question, especially for italian friends. In these days The walt disney company Italia is reprenting the first 6 copies of 'Topolino d'oro' that contain the first histories by Gottfredson. I have a short question Does everybody knows if these reprints are an anastatic copies of the originals, or some corrections was made with respect to the originals? Kind regards, David. From timoro at hotmail.com Fri Sep 12 12:48:50 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:48:50 +0300 Subject: Reprint of 'Il Topolino d'oro' Message-ID: >I have a short question Does everybody knows if these reprints are an >anastatic copies of the originals, or some corrections was made with >respect to the originals? They were photographed from old Italian reprints. They are somewhat different from USA originals, panels cut, speech balloons altered, etc. Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ............................... "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ Tilaa nyt Hotmail postit k?nnykk??si! http://www.msn.fi/mobiili/ From timoro at hotmail.com Fri Sep 12 12:51:56 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:51:56 +0300 Subject: Reprint of 'Il Topolino d'oro' Message-ID: >I have a short question Does everybody knows if these reprints are an >anastatic copies of the originals, or some corrections was made with >respect to the originals? Baah... Now I understood what you ment. Silly me. You mean if they are corrected from first printing to be more close to the original USA strips? That I don't know... sorry. Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ............................... "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - kaikki yst?v?t klikkauksen p??ss?! Lataa t?st? ilmaiseksi. http://www.msn.fi/viestintapalvelut/Messenger From cnotw at zen.it Fri Sep 12 15:12:54 2003 From: cnotw at zen.it (Luca Boschi) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 15:12:54 +0200 Subject: Edgerton, Albert, Battista & Duckworth? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, David and Rich, Dave says: > Edgerton never appears again, after this single story, until his later > use by Don Rosa (in the 1990s!). Do keep that in mind. > I think any similarity in appearance between Battista and Edgerton is > purely coincidental. I might be convinced otherwise if Edgerton were > translated with the name Battista in the early Italian editions of "Bear > Mountain", but I don't have those editions to check. (Italians? Want to help > me here?) Yeah. His Italian name is FIRMINO, and not Battista (a "traditional" name for an Italian butler; for example, in this way was even called the actor Giulio Marchetti, starring a "pirate butler" in the very famous, kids-oriented TV musical show "Giovanna la nonna del Corsaro Nero" ("Johanna, Black Buccaneer's Grandma"). Marchetti's Battista was on TV from 1962 on, created by the Italian satirical writer Vittorio Metz, a sort of Wodehouse writing for the cinema, who might had Jeeves in his mind. Scrooge's taxy driver, in the same story, is called Giacomo. But you know that from the 50es, ALL Scrooge's butlers (also the bull-dog faced one drawn by Perego or Pier Lorenzo De Vita) were called "Battista". > > I might agree with you here if anyone had used Edgerton after 1947. But > no; Edgerton simply appears in that one story and was totally forgotten > afterward. Other butlers did appear as one-offs and a few of them did look > sort of like Duckworth, too: it's just as likely that Duckworth is inspired > by those butlers as by the original Edgerton. Yeah. And in recent italian translations, their "new" name is Battista as well. Best, Luca From jerryblake2 at juno.com Fri Sep 12 15:21:39 2003 From: jerryblake2 at juno.com (Daniel J. Neyer) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:21:39 -0400 Subject: Dime and Dime Again Message-ID: <20030912.092139.-361089.3.jerryblake2@juno.com> I just picked up Uncle Scrooge 321, and I must say this Blum story was an improvement over World Wide Witch, in that it had an actual plot that didn't depend on modern technology and fads (credit for this should go to Barks, rather than Blum, I guess). Blum still threw in a few too many 90's references for my taste ("exhibitionists", "cd-rom", "cultural history", and characters named Ramon and Angel), but the story overall was enjoyable. I was also interested by Blum's use of Blackheart "Grandpa" Beagle. Barks, not Rosa, actually created Grandpa, and used him twice--in THE FANTASTIC RIVER RACE and THE MONEY WELL. Would DIME AND DIME AGAIN have been Barks' third use of his character, or did Blum add him in? It would be interesting to find out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030912/51b4cd32/attachment.html From jerryblake2 at juno.com Fri Sep 12 15:06:41 2003 From: jerryblake2 at juno.com (Daniel J. Neyer) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:06:41 -0400 Subject: Barks quotes Message-ID: <20030912.092139.-361089.2.jerryblake2@juno.com> ">Hey! Somethin's makin' SENSE!" >Which Barks story? >Hint #1: "Scram! Do you think you WORK here?" >Hint #2: "It looks VALUABLE! If it were only yours -" >Hint #3: "A little AIRING won't hurt this antique charm!" These lines are all from Barks' BIG-TOP BEDLAM. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030912/61dc7193/attachment.html From dve at kabelfoon.nl Fri Sep 12 16:20:46 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 16:20:46 +0200 Subject: Grandpa Beagle vs. Blackheart Beagle Message-ID: <20030912140416.C3A5A19FD8F@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> DANIEL NEYER, 12-09-2003 > [Dime and Dime Again, D/D 2001-004] I was also interested by Blum's > use of Blackheart "Grandpa" Beagle. Barks, not Rosa, actually created > Grandpa, and used him twice--in THE FANTASTIC RIVER RACE and THE MONEY > WELL. Barks used Grandpa Beagle (186-802) only ONCE, in "The Money Well" (US 21). The river race story (USGD 1) contains Blackheart Beagle. Melting these two characters into one character, is a Rosa creation. --- Dani?l From dve at kabelfoon.nl Fri Sep 12 16:45:26 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 16:45:26 +0200 Subject: Note from Donald Ault, about Carl Barks, Frank Stajano, Leonardo Gori Message-ID: <20030912142858.2BC5A19FE9F@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Here's a note from Donald Ault, followed by a reply from me. First, here's a list of links to some contributions to this thread about Stajano's and Gori's book "Il Grande Floyd Gottfredson", for people who want to refresh their memory: Daniel van Eijmeren - 28 August 2003 http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-August/024573.html Francesco Spreafico - 28 August 2003 http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-August/024575.html Daniel van Eijmeren - 28 August 2003 http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-August/024582.html Donald Ault - 28 August 2003 http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-August/024610.html Daniel van Eijmeren - 30 August 2003 http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-August/024672.html - - - - - - - From: "Donald D. Ault" To: "Daniel van Eijmeren" Subject: Re: Mickey Dailies and Carl Barks, Frank Stajano, Leonardo Gori Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 22:33:38 -0400 Daniel-- I'm not subscribed to the Disney list under this email address, so I'll send this note to you personally first, to see if it answers the questions. When I have access to my university account, I'll send it to the list if you think appropriate. Incidentally, the file of the interview that Frank posted on the web for me to access for the book did not have a date on it, as far as I can remember. I DO have that original file somewhere, but it will take some time to find it. I've pasted a section from Frank's page below, where, if I understand it, he indicates that he visited with Michael Naiman in San Diego around March of 1998, at which time he and Michael were involved in sending some birthday cards to Carl as the Barks Studio trial was in full swing. He (and Leonardo) then sent questions to Gerry Tank [I presume in August 1998], who interviewed Carl for them; and then Frank came back to the USA later that year to give a presentation and visited Carl then, which is when he (apparently) did the second interview I didn't have access to. The part that seems to refer to the interview in the Conversations book is: "Gerry and I then got in touch via email. Leonardo Gori and I were writing another book on Disney comics, this time focused on Mickey Mouse author Floyd Gottfredson. I sent Gerry a list of questions we had prepared and he interviewed Carl for us. That, too, was a brilliant experience, despite the indirection." Here is (what seems to me to be) the whole relevant passage (including the one above) from Frank's page: "It was at Michael's home in San Diego in 1998 that I first heard about Gerry Tank. Michael had been arranging for Barks fans from all over the world to send in little notes for Carl's 97th birthday. He collected all the cards and ancillaries (someone had even sent a bottle of liquor) in a big parcel that he forwarded to Gerry in Grants Pass, who would take Carl out to dinner for his birthday and deliver the surprise box to him. Gerry had been the doctor of Carl's wife Gar?; he lived not far from the Duck Man and visited him regularly. On the day I arrived at Michael's, him and Gerry had an animated telephone conversation about some incredible problems, worthy of Donald Duck's worst day, that had sent this important parcel missing (I am over-simplifying). To anyone whose birthday card was in that bundle: you have no idea of what Michael and Gerry went through to ensure that it would be delivered against all odds! But all went well in the end, and Carl was very pleased to feel the warmth and affection of so many fans he almost didn't know he had. "Gerry and I then got in touch via email. Leonardo Gori and I were writing another book on Disney comics, this time focused on Mickey Mouse author Floyd Gottfredson. I sent Gerry a list of questions we had prepared and he interviewed Carl for us. That, too, was a brilliant experience, despite the indirection. "But the best was yet to come. Later that year I had to visit the States again to speak at a conference; so, with Gerry's invaluable logistic help, I took a detour to Oregon for the weekend to visit my hero. The plane that was meant to take me from New Jersey to Oregon had a malfunction in midflight, so we were flown back to Newark and I had to get on a plane to California the next day, and then on a connecting flight to Oregon. I felt of course damn lucky not to have crashed (!) but I was also furious that this unique chance to spend some time with Carl Barks was being cut short. After repeated airport delays, and too many phone calls to my patient contact, I finally landed in Medford, Oregon where Gerry had come to pick me up. He drove me to Grants Pass, I checked into a local motel and we finally arrived at Carl's home in mid-afternoon." But Frank would know better than I. Donald Ault Professor of English University of Florida ault at ufl.edu http://www.nwe.ufl.edu/~donault/ - - - - - - - - - - Van: Daniel van Eijmeren Aan: Donald D. Ault Onderwerp: Re: Mickey Dailies and Carl Barks, Frank Stajano, Leonardo Gori Datum: zondag 31 augustus 2003 19:50 Hi Donald, Yes, your email is clear to me. Maybe the dates 6 August and 5 September 1998, are the dates of Barks's replies? It fits within your note, I think. Best wishes, --- Dani?l From JTorci3511 at aol.com Fri Sep 12 16:56:33 2003 From: JTorci3511 at aol.com (JTorci3511@aol.com) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 10:56:33 EDT Subject: Duckworth Message-ID: <1df.fce7667.2c9338a1@aol.com> "My Pal" David Gerstein writes: "it's just as likely that Duckworth is inspired by those butlers as by the original Edgerton." I'd tend to agree. Duckworth most likely assumed the regular role of Scrooge's butler to give the depiction of "mansion life" in the DUCKTALES series a more consistent look. Note, too, the interior shots of the mansion were remarkably consistent from episode to episode. As opposed to something like THE FLINTSTONES, where the interior of Fred and Wilma's house looked and was furnished differently IN EVERY EPISODE. I'm surprised no one has mentioned it yet, but Duckworth did appear in William Van Horn's "Snore Losers", from Disney Comics' DONALD DUCK ADVENTURES # 5 (OCTOBER, 1990). I'd imagine this was his only appearance outside of actual DUCKTALES comics. Joe Torcivia. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From dve at kabelfoon.nl Fri Sep 12 17:40:57 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:40:57 +0200 Subject: The Three Caballeros / The Black Cauldron (OT) Message-ID: <20030912152426.2B20C19FE9E@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> CORD WILJES to me, 11-09-2003: >> I think there's an obvious difference between Disney's first three >> movies ("Snow White", "Pinocchio", and "Fantasia"), and the later >> movies. The first three movies look like artistic masterpieces, while >> the later movies mostly look like "safe" family amusement. (IMO) > This is exactly how I feel about the Disney movies but could not name > it until I read your message. I think I got this from a Disney documentary about "Fantasia". Walt Disney got frustrated by the lack of success of his artistic "Fantasia", and so he decided to just give the people what they want. The sweeter family stuff. If that's true, then the audience itself is to blame for getting Disneyized stuff. How awfully we are punished, then. There seem to be two exceptions: - The Three Caballeros (1940s) - The Black Cauldron (1980s, after Walt's death) Both these movies are very experimental and path-breaking. But as far as I know, the audience didn't like it. "The Three Caballeros" was too psychedelic and surrealistic. And "The Black Cauldron" was too scary for the little kids. Sometimes an artist just can't win. I'm really pushing the borders of being off-topic, but is it true that "The Three Caballeros" exists in two edits, each with a different length? I think I've read something about that, here on DCML. If the information is true, how can these edits be recognized? --- Dani?l From longtom at oeste.com.ar Fri Sep 12 17:57:05 2003 From: longtom at oeste.com.ar (Fabio Blanco) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 12:57:05 -0300 Subject: Picsou!! Message-ID: <003a01c37946$85256d40$7c7e37c8@fabio> I am here on my home, in Buenos Aires. I have on my hands the Picsou issue from September... Isn't life wonderful? FABIO bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030912/165daf00/attachment.html From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Fri Sep 12 18:41:41 2003 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 18:41:41 +0200 Subject: Barat's Bean Works Message-ID: <0DD8055E0FECF744B5FF8053F80C4A2DE75AA7@l07.oase.research.kpn.com> In the Van Horn story in Gemstone's UNCLE SCROOGE #320, there's a van driving by with the text "Barat's Bean Works". Is this a coincidence, or is there a connection between William Van Horn and (letter writer, indexer, and DCML member) Chris Barat? --Harry. (Specialised in fish - "Vishandel Fluks" - and soap - "Better Ducks scrub with Fluks") From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Fri Sep 12 18:46:46 2003 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 18:46:46 +0200 Subject: Dutch comic convention Message-ID: <0DD8055E0FECF744B5FF8053F80C4A2DE75AA8@l07.oase.research.kpn.com> Next week, two things coincide: - there's a comic convention in Arnhem on September 20 and 21; - Rob Klein is visiting Holland. Rob, Roy (*), Dani?l, and I will be in Arnhem on Saturday or Sunday (we haven't decided yet). If anyone else plans to come, it would be nice to have a meeting. And maybe a dinner (pizza or so) afterwards. (I know there's also the "big" comic convention in Alphen aan den Rijn next month, and I'll be going there too, but Rob will be back in the States by then.) --Harry. (*) No, not Rob Roy. 8-) From lpj at forfatter.dk Fri Sep 12 18:45:00 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 18:45:00 +0200 Subject: Original secondary character's names in I TL 1308-B??? Message-ID: <017801c3794d$d01cd8e0$90469dd9@idb3156> timo ronkainen wrote: >>> Perhaps Giorgio Pezzin wrote this story to present his >>> feelings about working for Disney? :-) >> >> I've searched Inducks and couldn't find any pre-1986 comics written >> by Pezzin for Disney. Did he do some other work for them? > > How odd. Here it is: http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/simp.php > > December 21, 1980 I TL 1308-B Uncle Scrooge: Zio Paperone e il fumetto > perfetto (32 p.) 3-tier > Plot & story: Giorgio Pezzin Art & ink: Sandro Zemolin OK, now I understand. You've probably made the classic mistake (which I have made myself a few times): Confusing Disney with the licensee. When Pezzin wrote "Fumetto perfetto" he was working for Mondadori, at the time the Italian producer of Disney comics. According to Inducks, he, at the time, hadn't written any comics for the Disney company per se. Which means that "Fumetto perfetto", if it *is* a satire on his then-current working conditions, is probably aimed at Mondadori, rather than Disney. Lars From lpj at forfatter.dk Fri Sep 12 18:44:20 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 18:44:20 +0200 Subject: Barks's Glittering Goldie paintings Message-ID: <017701c3794d$cef7e0e0$90469dd9@idb3156> Daniël van Eijmeren wrote: >>> [Glittering Goldie] popped up in an awful lot of [Barks'] oil >>> paintings. http://www.sullivanet.com/duckburg/barksoils/ [...] >> >> I don't know much about Barks' oil paintings, but... Did he paint the >> Goldie-oriented ones because he had a desire to use that character? >> Or because the customers who ordered the paintings had asked for >> Goldie to be included in them? > > I don't know. But if so, Barks could have objected to using her. > > Maybe a variation of this question would be: > Did Barks create the Duck-oriented stories because he had a desire to > use these characters? Or because the editor who ordered the stories > had asked for the Ducks to be included in them? > > Barks has often said that he'd rather would have drawn humans instead > of ducks. So, according to the point you seem to be making, most of > Barks's comic book work should also be put aside as "commissioned > work". > > Well, is that really what you meant? :-) Let me repeat the discussion up until your posting: Katie suspected Barks of liking Goldie more than would be obvious from the fact that he used Goldie in his comics only once. She based this belief on the existence of relatively many Goldie-themed oil paintings by Barks. My question was: Did Barks use Goldie in these paintings because he wanted to see her again -- or because he was asked to use her by the buyers who commissioned the paintings? If it's the latter, then Barks' repeated use of Goldie in paintings doesn't tell us how he actually felt about her -- only what the buyers wanted him to paint. Which would mean that we cannot conclude anything from her appearances in Barks' paintings. Your response to this is still puzzling me, some 19 hours after I first read it. You extrapolate a number of silly, outlandish and extremist beliefs from my posting, imply strongly that this is what I believe and then end your posting with a smiley. I don't know whether you're having fun, want to make me angry or (for whatever reason) are trying to make me look bad on a public message board by suggesting I have the above opinions. No matter, so far you've accomplished Objective 2. Anyway, just in case your posting was meant to be serious: 1. Yes, Barks could have refused to use Goldie in his paintings, but that's irrelevant to my posting. 2. Your idea of how Disney comics are produced (the editor asks the writer to come up with a story -- and somehow stick the Ducks into the action) is baffling, coming from somebody I know communicates with a number of comics creators. Do you actually believe this is how writers work?! 3. There is a world of difference between buyers commissioning a painting and editors commissioning a story. They can't be compared the way you do. So, to sum up: No, I don't believe what you imply I believe. And, for the future, don't try to suggest I have certain opinions, when you don't actually know I have them. Lars From lpj at forfatter.dk Fri Sep 12 18:45:41 2003 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 18:45:41 +0200 Subject: Homages to Non-Disney comics in Disney comics Message-ID: <017901c3794d$d1310800$90469dd9@idb3156> Søren Krarup Olesen wrote: >> On the other hand, there is of course the cavewoman Oona, whose name >> is partly an homage to Alley Oop's girlfriend Ooola. > > Are you sure about that, or is that where the "partly" comes in? I've > always thought that Oona was named after Stefan Printz-Påhlson's wife > Unn...after all they wrote the first story featuring Oona. Yes, yes and yes. Lars From jerryblake2 at juno.com Fri Sep 12 18:40:53 2003 From: jerryblake2 at juno.com (Daniel J. Neyer) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 12:40:53 -0400 Subject: Grandpa vs. Blackheart Message-ID: <20030912.124053.-507025.1.jerryblake2@juno.com> >Barks used Grandpa Beagle (186-802) only ONCE, in "The Money >Well" (US 21). >The river race story (USGD 1) contains Blackheart Beagle. >Melting these two characters into one character, is a Rosa creation. Daniel van Eijmeren is right; nothing in FANTASTIC RIVER RACE ever says that Blackheart Beagle is the grandfather of the "current" B Boys. However, since Ratchet Gearloose is in the story and is identified as the grandfather of Gyro, I've always felt it was a logical assumption (and I guess Rosa did too) that Blackheart was the Beagle Boys' grandfather, since Blackheart and Ratchet seem of the same "generation" so to speak. But I guess there's no way to verify it--unless someone checks out the archives of Beagle Boys Inc. In any case, does anyone know if Grandpa was featured in Barks' original story line for the Dime story? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030912/0f8958a9/attachment.html From cnotw at zen.it Sat Sep 13 00:44:18 2003 From: cnotw at zen.it (Luca Boschi) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 00:44:18 +0200 Subject: Butlers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Maybe my e-mail don't arrive to the list. Surely I don't receive many of 'em... So... Hi, David and Rich, Dave says: > Edgerton never appears again, after this single story, until his later > use by Don Rosa (in the 1990s!). Do keep that in mind. > I think any similarity in appearance between Battista and Edgerton is > purely coincidental. I might be convinced otherwise if Edgerton were > translated with the name Battista in the early Italian editions of "Bear > Mountain", but I don't have those editions to check. (Italians? Want to help > me here?) Yeah. His Italian name is FIRMINO, and not Battista (a "traditional" name for an Italian butler; for example, in this way was even called the actor Giulio Marchetti, starring a "pirate butler" in the very famous, kids-oriented TV musical show "Giovanna la nonna del Corsaro Nero" ("Johanna, Black Buccaneer's Grandma"). Marchetti's Battista was on TV from 1962 on, created by the Italian satirical writer Vittorio Metz, a sort of Wodehouse writing for the cinema, who might had Jeeves in his mind. Scrooge's taxy driver, in the same story, is called Giacomo. But you know that from the 50es, ALL Scrooge's butlers (also the bull-dog faced one drawn by Perego or Pier Lorenzo De Vita) were called "Battista". > > I might agree with you here if anyone had used Edgerton after 1947. But > no; Edgerton simply appears in that one story and was totally forgotten > afterward. Other butlers did appear as one-offs and a few of them did look > sort of like Duckworth, too: it's just as likely that Duckworth is inspired > by those butlers as by the original Edgerton. Yeah. And in recent italian translations, their "new" name is Battista as well. Best, Luca From kimba1962 at comcast.net Sat Sep 13 00:55:11 2003 From: kimba1962 at comcast.net (kimba1962@comcast.net) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 22:55:11 +0000 Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 7, Issue 29 (Duckworth & Bean Works) Message-ID: <20030912225553.31F314817@sponsa.its.uu.se> JOE TORICIVIA wrote: > I'm surprised no one has mentioned it yet, but Duckworth did appear in > William Van Horn's "Snore Losers", from Disney Comics' DONALD DUCK >ADVENTURES #5 > (OCTOBER, 1990). I'd imagine this was his only appearance outside of actual > DUCKTALES comics. Duckworth also appeared at least once in the DONALD DUCK newspaper strip. In the Sunday strip of April 5, 1992, he appears in two panels. There is no question as to his i.d., as Donald addresses him by name. HARRY FLUKS wondered: > In the Van Horn story in Gemstone's UNCLE SCROOGE #320, there's a van driving by > with the text "Barat's Bean Works". > > Is this a coincidence, or is there a connection between William Van Horn and > (letter writer, indexer, and DCML member) Chris Barat? Yes. I have exchanged letters with WVH and he was kind enough to put my name in TWO stories. The first time, however, it was "Barat's Hats." At the time, he didn't know that my last name rhymes with "rot," rather than "hat." Chris Barat From SBHSN at aol.com Sat Sep 13 05:07:04 2003 From: SBHSN at aol.com (SBHSN@aol.com) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 23:07:04 EDT Subject: To Cord, re Disney Treasures DVDs Message-ID: <3a.3e334cc2.2c93e3d8@aol.com> Hi, Cord (and everyone) This years' Treasures are actually the third set of releases. The first year's titles: Mickey Mouse in Living Color, Silly Symphonies, Disneyland USA, and Davy Crockett. (The latter two are not animated features, obviously.) The second year had only three titles: Mickey Mouse in Black & White, The Complete Goofy, and Behind the Scenes at the Walt Disney Studios (the latter includes The Reluctant Dragon). The third year was mentioned by Cord already. There are four titles this year, and I can't find the list. Cord mentioned two: Mickey in Color vol.2, and war years (sorry the title escapes me). Also planned are the Complete Donald Duck, and Tomorrowland classics (which I believe may include Ward Kimball's Man in Space TV shows). These are two DVD sets with notes and/or commentary by film critic Leonard Maltin, and are packaged in metal containers with a serial number embossed under the inlayed image on the front. I don't know if 125,000 copies is really a limited edition, but they seem to vanish quickly after release. Back to lurk mode, and off to Disneyland for vacation... Steve in Austin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030913/6ec75a14/attachment.html From donrosa at iglou.com Sat Sep 13 08:26:30 2003 From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 02:26:30 -0400 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 29 In-Reply-To: <200309121656.h8CGuWrO016640@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: I think I see some matters here that I can help with. Blum's stories based on Barks plots, and the use of Blackheart/Grandpa Beagle: When Blum asked me for copies of some of my personal correspondence with Barks, it was for use in a study he said he was making of Barks' correspondence. There were several story ideas that Barks offered to me in those letters (plots that I had not requested, but he was probably always concocting story ideas in his mind). I had no plans to use either of the plots I recall... one involved finding frozen mammoths with golden tusks (I didn't know how the mammoths would grow golden tusks) and the other was this one that involved the Beagles stealing $crooge's #1 Dime and how he would go on to still be successful and "realize that the Dime was not the basis for his luck" -- I would never have used that idea, either, since I have always made it clear that $crooge does *not* consider the Dime responsible for his success (though I sometimes show that he values it as inspiration, which might be how Blum handled the idea, I dunno, I haven't received this issue yet). I don't recall telling Blum that *he* could use the ideas that Barks was privately giving to me... at the time he requested the letters, about 10 years back, he was not a storywriter. But since I had no plans to do anything with the idea, it's good that someone did. Anyway, the mammoth idea, as I recall, was only one sentence, and the #1 Dime idea was only a few sentences longer, but included no details like supporting characters like Grandpa Beagle. As for my own use of Grandpa Beagle, it is correct to say I created a "new" character by meshing the character that Barks used in the steamboat race and the "Grandpa Beagle" in "The Money Well". I'm sure Barks never either decided these were the same character or two different characters... it would have made no difference to his intentions. He was not trying to make any strong continuity between any two stories, he had no reason to, his concept was that these comics would be bought, read once, then discarded. It made no difference to him if these were the same character or not. He would never guess that fans and future writer/artists would enjoy studying and playing with his creations, or that I might come along and interpolate his "universe" to make it all coherent just for the fun of the game. Another thing: I would think that Barks' intention in the steamboat story was that Blackheart Beagle is the current BB's *father*, not grandfather. I think the mustachioed BB's in that story are intended to be THE Beagle Boy's of current stories. I don't think Barks was trying to construct such a complex time frame system or familial relations as I was when I decided that those BB's in the Mississippi days could not be the same ones in current stories. Just as I interpolated Blackheart to be Grandpa, I interpolated the steamboat-race BBs to *not* be the current BB's because that could not have fit into my overly analytical view. As regards Barks' choice of subjects for paintings: as someone said, all of those paintings were done on request. The buyer would say generally what characters and activities he desired, or exactly what story scene or cover recreation he was paying Barks to create. And later, when the paintings were done for big auctions and/or lithographs, the ideas were a product of several minds trying to think what would be the most popular with the buyers. I mean, it seems it was quite a science, there had to be all 5 Ducks, faces turned at just the right angle, etc. I don't think Barks had any preference as to what characters he painted... he painted what his friends or buyers wanted. No, he did not paint the scenes because he loved the characters and still wanted to be drawing/painting them after he retired... no one imbued him with a love for these characters as he did for millions of us. To him it was a job, and a job (writing/drawing stories) that he did sensationally well. If he had *especially* liked Glittering Goldie, he would have found a reason to use her more than once. She appears in a number of paintings because those Yukon days (and Goldie!) are a favorite with fans. Does it mean anything if Barks liked a certain one of his own characters more or less than we readers do? Nah. Some of my favorite movie directors choose as their worst films just the ones I love the most of their work! That's neat! Or look at me at a convention: I'll sit sometimes for 7 to 10 hours nonstop drawing for fans. Do I do it because I like drawing? No, I *hate* drawing! I know some cartoonists like Jim Engel or Sergio Aragones who LOVE to draw 24 hours a day, filling private sketch books "just for fun" -- that mystifies me! I detest drawing but I like to tell stories. I draw for the fans because it pleases me to please them, and I draw what they ask for (as long as it's not perverse or nuts). If they left it up to me, I'd draw them ALL pictures of Glittering Goldie. But if they want Daisy (usually "for my 3-month old daughter") I'll draw Daisy even though I'd rather be slapped with a wet oolated squigg. From timoro at hotmail.com Sat Sep 13 12:29:55 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 13:29:55 +0300 Subject: Original secondary character's names in I TL 1308-B??? Message-ID: >OK, now I understand. You've probably made the classic mistake (which I >have made myself a few times): Confusing Disney with the licensee. Oops, indeed. Mondadori was producing D-comics then.. Yep. Sorry. How were these characters translated in other countries? Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ............................... "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - kaikki yst?v?t klikkauksen p??ss?! Lataa t?st? ilmaiseksi. http://www.msn.fi/viestintapalvelut/Messenger From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sat Sep 13 13:12:23 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 13:12:23 +0200 Subject: Barks's Glittering Goldie paintings Message-ID: <20030913105550.C6C4B1A00F5@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> LARS JENSEN to me, 12-09-2003: > Let me repeat the discussion up until your posting: Katie suspected > Barks of liking Goldie more than would be obvious from the fact that he > used Goldie in his comics only once. She based this belief on the > existence of relatively many Goldie-themed oil paintings by Barks. My > question was: Did Barks use Goldie in these paintings because he wanted > to see her again -- or because he was asked to use her by the buyers who > commissioned the paintings? If it's the latter, then Barks' repeated use > of Goldie in paintings doesn't tell us how he actually felt about her -- > only what the buyers wanted him to paint. Which would mean that we > cannot conclude anything from her appearances in Barks' paintings. Okay, I see. > Your response to this is still puzzling me, some 19 hours after I first > read it. You extrapolate a number of silly, outlandish and extremist > beliefs from my posting, imply strongly that this is what I believe and > then end your posting with a smiley. You're taking my email way too hard. So hard that it gets offensive and painful. Please stop that. > Anyway, just in case your posting was meant to be serious: I was having fun, *and* I was serious. So are most of my emails. > 2. Your idea of how Disney comics are produced (the editor asks the > writer to come up with a story -- and somehow stick the Ducks into > the action) is baffling, coming from somebody I know communicates > with a number of comics creators. Do you actually believe this is > how writers work?! What is the difference with reality, according to you? Here are some of my thoughts on this subect: Egmont would not accept a Disney story without Disney characters. Egmont does ask artists to come up with stories involving Disney characters. And I think that they at least do have a desire for certain artists handling certain characters. Would Egmont be happy if artists like William Van Horn, Daan jippes, and Don Rosa decide to make Bucky Bug stories, instead of Duck stories? (I'm just taking Egmont as an example. I could also mention the Dutch editor and artists like Mau Heymans and Bas Heymans. Etc.) > 3. There is a world of difference between buyers commissioning a > painting and editors commissioning a story. They can't be compared > the way you do. For the painting "Pleasure in the Treasure" (72-02), Barks could paint anything he wanted. Still, the painting was commissioned. I think this is comparable with how Western requested stories from Barks. For example, in the early 1950s, when Western found out that WDC-comics were more popular with Barks stories in it, Barks was put on the job of creating ten-pagers again. In a manner of speaking, Barks was just an employee. Maybe a very important employee, but still Western decided what Barks would do and what he would not do. Just look at the butchered Barks-stories, for example. ("Trick or Treat", "Back to the Klondike", "The Madcap Mariner", "Mythtic Mystery", etc.) --- Dani?l "Please, please, mister McDuck! Don't take my washing machine! I need it to support my husband and three son-in-laws!" (Which Barks story?) From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sat Sep 13 20:10:09 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 20:10:09 +0200 Subject: Election in Duckburg Message-ID: <20030913175345.C3309BECFA@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> ERLAND HEIR, 10-09-2003: > I have recently read a Barks story, where $crooge, standing in > a park, speaking to a crowd, tries to be elected. This is the story in which Scrooge is city treasurer candidate (US 8). > Anyone here who knows how many times (and witch Barks stories) > $crooge and Donald has tried to be elected and does anybody of > them ever succeed? In "The Heedless Horseman" (US 66), Scrooge enters a horse into the Great Crystal Orb Derby. The winning horseman gets to rule Duckburg's social life for a whole year, and is treated as 'King' of Duckburg (including a crown, cloak, throne, household, and limousine). Scrooge's reason for entering the horse race is that millions of people never heard of Scrooge McDuck, except for the bankers and burglars. He wants to crash the hall of fame. The entrance clerk even phones the cooky jar, to ask if there's an escapee named Scrooge McDuck. This is not really an democratic election, though. And maybe that's the irony of it. I'm wondering if there's a political joke included. Scrooge didn't get to be king for a year, but he did get to be well known. His name is on everybody's lips. As the jerk who ruined horse racing in Duckburg, to be exactly. --- Dani?l From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sat Sep 13 20:33:02 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 20:33:02 +0200 Subject: OT (Re: Oops--CarmenG's blank message) Message-ID: <20030913181631.4BF65BED2E@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> CARMEN G., 11-09-2003: > Hello, and my apologies for the blank mailing a couple of days ago. > [...] But--this blank message received more response than my usual > dull postings, so what does THAT say about me?!! Your "dull postings" are so interesting and popular, that any transmission failure that might avoid their delivery, causes lots of panic, stress, and sleepness nights. The response you got was just a small reflection of that. > By the way, Daniel, I think we corresponded privately a couple of > years ago...? I'm trying to remember.... Yes, we have corresponded from time to time. --- Dani?l From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sat Sep 13 20:59:03 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 20:59:03 +0200 Subject: OT (Re: female duck fans) Message-ID: <20030913184231.45B6C19FD2F@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> THERESA WIEGERT to CORD WILJES, 12-09-2003: > But generally, perhaps geekyness is a male trait - coming to think > of it, not so many of my female friends are obsessed about a certain > thing like men often can be. I wonder why... Hrmphf! Go bother Oprah Winfrey with these strange female thoughts! :-) --- Dani?l "Men! I hate 'em!" -- Esmeralda, Miss Moosey's parrot (WDC 63) From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sat Sep 13 22:45:30 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 22:45:30 +0200 Subject: Disney animation links / Disney Urban Legends link (OT) Message-ID: <20030913202858.4688EBE929@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Walt Disney Animation Archive / Magical Ears Walt Disney Animation Archive http://animationarchive.net/ http://www.magicalears.com/films/animation/index.php Mistakes in Disney Animated Movies http://www.magicalears.com/films/animation/Info/oopsies.php Disney Urban Legends http://www.snopes2.com/index.html These links are taken from: http://members3.boardhost.com/DisneyComics/ This email is a follow-up of my Disney site-tips of 11 September 2003: http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-September/024919.html http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-September/024920.html --- Dani?l From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sun Sep 14 01:32:50 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 01:32:50 +0200 Subject: Lemming behaviour, as in The Lemming With the Locket (US 9) Message-ID: <20030913231618.C7887BE72D@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> On the Disney section of a site titled "Urban Legends Reference Pages" (http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/lemmings.htm), I found some information about the natural behaviour of lemmings, which contradicts the lemming behaviour as shown in (for example) Barks's "The Lemming With the Locket" (US 9). I'm curious for comments. Here's the text of the page, including some (IMO) disturbing information about lemmings being misused for a film: - - - - - - - White Wilderness Claim: During the filming of the 1958 Disney nature documentary White Wilderness, the film crew induced lemmings into jumping off a cliff and into the sea in order to document their supposedly suicidal behavior. Status: True. Origins: Lemming suicide is fiction. Contrary to popular belief, lemmings do not periodically hurl themselves off of cliffs and into the sea. Cyclical explosions in population do occasionally induce lemmings to attempt to migrate to areas of lesser population density. When such a migration occurs, some lemmings die by falling over cliffs or drowning in lakes or rivers. These deaths are not deliberate "suicide" attempts, however, but accidental deaths resulting from the lemmings' venturing into unfamiliar territories and being crowded and pushed over dangerous ledges. In fact, when the competition for food, space, or mates becomes too intense, lemmings are much more likely to kill each other than to kill themselves. Disney's White Wilderness was filmed in Alberta, Canada, which is not a native habitat for lemmings and has no outlet to the sea. Lemmings were imported for use in the film, purchased from Inuit children by the filmmakers. The Arctic rodents were placed on a snow-covered turntable and filmed from various angles to produce a "migration" sequence; afterwards, the helpless creatures were transported to a cliff overlooking a river and herded into the water. White Wilderness does not depict an actual lemming migration -- at no time are more than a few dozen lemmings ever shown on the screen at once. The entire sequence was faked using a handful of lemmings deceptively photographed to create the illusion of a large herd of migrating creatures. Nine different photographers spent three years shooting and assembling footage for the various segments that comprise White Wilderness. It is not known whether Disney approved or knew about the activities of James R. Simon, the prinicipal photographer for the lemmings sequence. Nature documentaries are notoriously difficult to film, as wild animals are not terribly cooperative. Many nature shows and films of this era -- including Disney's "True-Life Adventure" movies and TV's Wild Kingdom -- staged events to capture exciting footage for their audiences. The sight of a few lemmings mistaking a lake or ocean for a stream and drowning after swimming out too far, or being pushed over a cliff during the frenzied rush of migration, has become the basis of a widespread belief that lemmings commit suicide en masse when their numbers grow too large. Last updated: ? 27 February 1996 The URL for this page is http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/lemmings.htm Urban Legends Reference Pages ? 1995-2003 by Barbara and David P. Mikkelson This material may not be reproduced without permission Sources: Burnam, Tom. ? More Misinformation. New York: Lippincott & Crowell, 1980. ? ISBN 0-690-01685-9 ? (p. 140). Charle, Suzanne. ? "Television; Hunting Wildlife with a Movie Camera." The New York Times. ? 13 March 1988 ? (p. B31). Corry, John. ? "'Cruel Camera', About Animal Abuse." The New York Times. ? 24 March 1986 ? (p. C18). Ferry, Jon. ? "Lemmings Commit Mass Murder, Not Mass Suicide." Reuters. ? 6 March 1992. Foreman, Judy. ? "How & Why." The Boston Globe. ? 7 March 1994 ? (p. 30). Maltin, Leonard. ? The Disney Films. Crown: New York., 1984. ? ISBN 0-517-55407-0 ? (pp. 148-149). Poundstone, William. ? Bigger Secrets. Boston: Houghton Mifflin Co., 1986. ? ISBN 0-395-53008-3 ? (pp. 235-236). Sagi, Douglas. ? "Scientists Demolish Lemming Legends." The Vancouver Sun. ? 21 February 1992 ? (Diary; p. D2). - - - - - - - --- Dani?l From lgiver at pacbell.net Sun Sep 14 08:42:38 2003 From: lgiver at pacbell.net (Larry Giver) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 23:42:38 -0700 Subject: "Skunk Oil Factory", not "Margarine Factory" Message-ID: <6.0.0.14.1.20030913232817.01c8d258@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> I got the new Gemstone US321, which has a DD story, "Willing Little Helpers". The dialogue is credited to Gary Leach, so I suppose than means he did the final translating into Americanese. I noticed on page 2, panel 3 that Donald says he worked all day at the margarine factory. Gary Leach should know that Duckburg, Calisota, USA has no margarine factory; instead Donald often works at the "skunk oil factory", as originated by Barks long ago. Maybe some wonder what use is skunk oil? I think Scrooge could use some in spray cans, like mace, to use in his money bin defence system. From lgiver at pacbell.net Sun Sep 14 09:00:41 2003 From: lgiver at pacbell.net (Larry Giver) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 00:00:41 -0700 Subject: Finally bought US320 Message-ID: <6.0.0.14.1.20030913234627.01ca2b40@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> For over a month I've been looking to buy US 320. The 2 local comic shops where I bought US 319 & 321 and C&S 634, 635, and 636 order very few Gemstone Disney copies, and have been sold out of US 320. Today a relative went to Berkeley, CA, so I asked her to stop at the comic shop where Geof Blum held a book-signing session about 2 weeks ago. Not only did they still have copies of US 320, but the copy she bought for me had been already autographed by Blum! Now I can finally read this story, after seeing the controversy about it in the posts here. From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sun Sep 14 14:33:02 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 14:33:02 +0200 Subject: "Skunk Oil Factory", not "Margarine Factory" Message-ID: <20030914121629.56D3919FE75@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> LARRY GIVER, 13-09-2003: > I got the new Gemstone US321, which has a DD story, "Willing Little > Helpers". The dialogue is credited to Gary Leach, so I suppose than > means he did the final translating into Americanese. I noticed on > page 2, panel 3 that Donald says he worked all day at the margarine > factory. Gary Leach should know that Duckburg, Calisota, USA has > no margarine factory; instead Donald often works at the "skunk oil > factory", as originated by Barks long ago. The skunk oil factory is taken from the tv audition ambition story (WDC 165). It's the only one reference I can remember. However, I don't see any reason why this small reference should mean that there's no margarine factory in Duckburg. Also, I don't see any reason why a Barks story should rule out possibilities in a story by other creators. > Maybe some wonder what use is skunk oil? I think Scrooge could use > some in spray cans, like mace, to use in his money bin defence system. In panel 3.6 of the wispie will-o-the-wisp story (WDC 159), Scrooge wants to ruin Donald's house by using skunk oil. BTW. In this story, Scrooge uses rats to manipulate Donald. This is a reversal situation compared to "A Christmas to Shacktown" (OS 367), where Donald uses a rat to manipulate Scrooge. --- Dani?l "Please, please, mister McDuck! Don't take my washing machine! I need it to support my husband and three son-in-laws!" (Which Barks story?) From bangfish at comcast.net Sun Sep 14 14:56:16 2003 From: bangfish at comcast.net (Gary Leach) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 08:56:16 -0400 Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 7, Issue 31 In-Reply-To: <200309141000.h8EA0mrN005832@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: Larry Giver wrote: > I got the new Gemstone US321, which has a DD story, "Willing Little > Helpers". > The dialogue is credited to Gary Leach, so I suppose than means he > did the final translating into Americanese. I noticed on page 2, > panel 3 that > Donald says he worked all day at the margarine factory. Gary Leach > should > know that Duckburg, Calisota, USA has no margarine factory; instead > Donald > often works at the "skunk oil factory", as originated by Barks long > ago. I don't actually translate, but yeah, I do "Americanize" many of the stories we get from Egmont. (Egmont supplies these stories in English.) As for the margarine factory, Duckburg, Calisota, USA certainly does have one. Duckburg, Anywhere has one of everything, and sooner or later Donald will get around to working at every one of them. Gary From kimba1962 at comcast.net Sun Sep 14 15:09:15 2003 From: kimba1962 at comcast.net (kimba1962@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 13:09:15 +0000 Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 7, Issue 31 (margarine factory) Message-ID: <20030914130956.A9B86448A@sponsa.its.uu.se> LARRY GIVER wrote: > I got the new Gemstone US321, which has a DD story, "Willing Little Helpers". > The dialogue is credited to Gary Leach, so I suppose than means he > did the final translating into Americanese. I noticed on page 2, panel 3 that > Donald says he worked all day at the margarine factory. Gary Leach should > know that Duckburg, Calisota, USA has no margarine factory; instead Donald > often works at the "skunk oil factory", as originated by Barks long ago. I regarded this reference as simply another entry in the long list of "crazy job locations" for Donald. Barks also had Donald working at a "vinegar works" among other places. I don't think that Barks ever really settled upon a "standard" job location for Donald; he basically went with whatever seemed funniest and most incongruous. Van Horn has done the same. Chris Barat From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sun Sep 14 18:24:31 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 18:24:31 +0200 Subject: Barks art at Cels Galerie Hamburg Message-ID: <20030914160756.7425CBEE3D@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Here are some links to original Barks art. Unfortunately, the pictures were made with a digital camera instead of a scanner. Among the pictures, is a photo of a rarely seen Barks's 1997 oil, and a preliminary, showing Scrooge smokewriting dollar signs. I apologize for not giving descriptions for the links. If someone else wants to do that, then *please* go ahead. Are there people here who are logging unique Barks art at Ebay and other auction sites? Please let me know. I had to give up more than a year ago, so I hope that I wasn't the only one visiting and saving such material. Again, please let me know! Main link: http://www.cels-galerie.de/ Originale section: http://www.cels-galerie.de/carl_barks/zeichnungen/ http://www.cels-galerie.de/carl_barks/zeichnungen/zoom.phtml?cel=792 http://www.cels-galerie.de/carl_barks/zeichnungen/zoom.phtml?cel=1068 Kommission section: http://www.cels-galerie.de/carl_barks/kommission/ http://www.cels-galerie.de/carl_barks/kommission/zoom.phtml?cel=1439 http://www.cels-galerie.de/carl_barks/kommission/zoom.phtml?cel=1453 http://www.cels-galerie.de/carl_barks/kommission/zoom.phtml?cel=1454 http://www.cels-galerie.de/carl_barks/kommission/zoom.phtml?cel=1455 http://www.cels-galerie.de/carl_barks/kommission/zoom.phtml?cel=1456 http://www.cels-galerie.de/carl_barks/kommission/zoom.phtml?cel=1457 http://www.cels-galerie.de/carl_barks/kommission/zoom.phtml?cel=1458 http://www.cels-galerie.de/carl_barks/kommission/zoom.phtml?cel=1459 http://www.cels-galerie.de/carl_barks/kommission/zoom.phtml?cel=1460 http://www.cels-galerie.de/carl_barks/kommission/zoom.phtml?cel=1461 http://www.cels-galerie.de/carl_barks/kommission/zoom.phtml?cel=1462 http://www.cels-galerie.de/carl_barks/kommission/zoom.phtml?cel=1463 Thanks to Gerd Syllwasschi for reporting this site and some of it's contents to me. --- Dani?l From lgiver at pacbell.net Sun Sep 14 18:33:41 2003 From: lgiver at pacbell.net (Larry Giver) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 09:33:41 -0700 Subject: Daniel's Washing machine Barks' quote Message-ID: <6.0.0.14.1.20030914092647.01ce2d48@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> The "Don't take my washing machine" quote is from "Billions to sneeze at" C&S 124, January, 1951; page 4, panels 3 & 4. The woman still owes Scrooge a nickel on it, and orders Donald to reposess. But Donald finds a nickel on her lawn, and gives it to her to pay Scrooge. My father really enjoyed that segment of that story! From lgiver at pacbell.net Sun Sep 14 18:44:38 2003 From: lgiver at pacbell.net (Larry Giver) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 09:44:38 -0700 Subject: 2 other Duckburg elections Message-ID: <6.0.0.14.1.20030914093429.01c9f6a0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> In "Smoke Writer in the Sky", C&S 194, Nov. 1956, Scrooge hires Donald to advertise his candidacy for an unspecified office. But Scrooge gets bad publicity, and at the end of the story both Donald and Scrooge leave the country. Donald and Gladstone competed for Grand Marshall of the Easter Parade, probably Barks' best known Easter story. The essentials of the campaigns were to impress the potential "voters" (kids) by passing out candy and Easter eggs, and trying to make the opponent look bad, such as by damaging his candy and eggs. HDL help Donald make Gladstone look bad to the kids by making them think he has measles, so Gladstone is quaranteened and Donald becomes Grand Marshall! But Donald does not enjoy his victory, as his Grand Marshall duty is to hop around in a bunny suit passing out more eggs and candy to kids. From marcobar at ds.unifi.it Sun Sep 14 22:49:43 2003 From: marcobar at ds.unifi.it (Marco Barlotti) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 22:49:43 +0200 Subject: $crooge's butlers In-Reply-To: <200309141001.h8EA0mrP005832@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030914223039.02b6a3b8@mail.unifi.it> Just my 2 cents in the discussion on $crooge's butlers, introduced by Rich Bellacera (hi, Rich!). The butler introduced by Barks in the "Bear Mountain" story (and in a few others, if I remember well) was used by Guido Martina in the first Italian stories, and Giuseppe Perego, in particular, drew him with a vague resemblance. He was called "Alberto" in those stories, and as such he is indexed in the FSB http://www.cce.unifi.it/~marcobar/DisneyIndex and should appear also in Inducks. Try I TL 179-B, I TL 204-B, I TL 246-A etc. etc.. This character was used quite consistently, but never played a relevant role. Then, about 5 years later, the very prolific scripter Rodolfo Cimino introduced a butler, called Battista, and gave him an ever increasing role in the stories. If you consider the Italian stories in the '60s and '70s, you will notice that Battista is ALWAYS a character used by Cimino, although the different artists drew him in largely different ways. All of this until Giorgio Cavazzano decided to give Battista a definite look, perhaps noticing the steady and consistent use of the character by Cimino. Little by little, also the other artists came to draw Battista in the "Cavazzano look" (a notable exception being Luciano Gatto, who adhered to this look only very recently, presumably under strong pressures by Disney). In my vision, Alberto (by Martina-Perego) and Battista (by Cimino-Cavazzano) are different characters. Alberto was probably fired some day, and who knows if someone will tell us how and why? Please note that now Battista is currently being used as a regular character, living in the money bin with Scrooge, by many scripters, not only by Cimino. Meanwhile Cimino has introduced a new character, Camillino, a robot working for $crooge in the money bin. But, alas, the story introducing him was rejected by Disney, so we possibly will never know how he came to work for $crooge... Camillino even appears in I TL 2494-5, in the issue of "Topolino" currently for sale at the news-stands! Marco http://www.cce.unifi.it/~marcobar/Comics From marcobar at ds.unifi.it Sun Sep 14 22:49:37 2003 From: marcobar at ds.unifi.it (Marco Barlotti) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 22:49:37 +0200 Subject: margarine factory In-Reply-To: <200309141001.h8EA0mrP005832@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030914222828.01e60f40@mail.unifi.it> At 23:42:38 -0700 1309/2003 +0200, Larry Giver wrote: >I got the new Gemstone US321, which has a DD story, "Willing Little Helpers". >The dialogue is credited to Gary Leach, so I suppose than means he >did the final translating into Americanese. I noticed on page 2, panel 3 that >Donald says he worked all day at the margarine factory. Gary Leach should >know that Duckburg, Calisota, USA has no margarine factory; instead Donald >often works at the "skunk oil factory", as originated by Barks long ago. In the "Egmont tradition", Donald works at a margarine factory. There are several stories where this is a relevant fact. Marco http://www.cce.unifi.it/~marcobar/Comics From timoro at hotmail.com Sun Sep 14 22:50:55 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 23:50:55 +0300 Subject: Comic Strip Department?? Message-ID: Hi all! How well is history of Disney's studios Comic Strip department documented? I've seen a map, floor plan of early Hyperion studio on CD-Rom "Walt Disney - an Intimate History". It was drawn after recollections of old animators. It has detailed placement of animator's desks etc. during 1929-30. Animators worked in one big room. Ub Iwerks and Floyd Gottfredson sat their backs against together. There is also little room, closet even, that has text "Comic Strip" and name Win Smith. Is this map published in any book? Does anyone know how CS-dept. developed onwards this period? How long that department was located in Hyperion building? How large it was in it's hayday? How many people there were? Are there perhaps photographs taken of? Since animators and writers worked this closely together it's no wonder at all how some comic strips and short animations had so much similarities in ideas and themes. Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ............................... "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - kaikki yst?v?t klikkauksen p??ss?! Lataa t?st? ilmaiseksi. http://www.msn.fi/viestintapalvelut/Messenger From vazali at yahoo.com Mon Sep 15 02:37:30 2003 From: vazali at yahoo.com (Katie Sullivan) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 17:37:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: artists' choice vs. fans' wishes In-Reply-To: <200309131001.h8DA0VrO016391@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <20030915003730.33422.qmail@web41508.mail.yahoo.com> Don Rosa wrote: > As regards Barks' choice of subjects for paintings: as someone > said, all of > those paintings were done on request. The buyer would say > generally what > characters and activities he desired, or exactly what story > scene or cover > recreation he was paying Barks to create. I stand corrected! (Er, actually, I'm sitting, but you get the idea.) ;) > If he had *especially* liked Glittering > Goldie, he would have found a reason to use her more than > once. Thanks makes sense, of course. It was wishful thinking on my part to infer otherwise. > She appears > in a number of paintings because those Yukon days (and > Goldie!) are a favorite with fans. Can't argue with that! :) > I draw for > the fans because > it pleases me to please them, and I draw what they ask for (as > long as it's > not perverse or nuts). I'm too afraid to ask if anyone's ever asked you to draw something like that. 0_o Some people are weeeeeeird... > If they left it up to me, I'd draw them > ALL pictures > of Glittering Goldie. Worked for me!!! :D > But if they want Daisy (usually "for my > 3-month old > daughter") I'll draw Daisy even though I'd rather be slapped > with a wet > oolated squigg. LOL!!! "Oh, but she has that GIANT pink bow, and it's so CUTE!" *tee hee, tee hee* >_< *shudder* (No offense to Daisy fans, she's just not my favorite character.) P.S. My website is still down as far as the domain name goes, but for right now some of it has been re-uploaded to the following URL: http://katiesullivan.web.aplus.net/ Katie Sullivan http://www.sullivanet.com/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From vazali at yahoo.com Mon Sep 15 02:52:49 2003 From: vazali at yahoo.com (Katie Sullivan) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 17:52:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Donald jobhopping In-Reply-To: <200309150039.h8F0cprO019797@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <20030915005249.72601.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> Chris Barat wrote: >I regarded this reference as simply another entry in the long >list of "crazy job locations" for Donald. Barks also had >Donald working at a "vinegar works" >among other places. I don't think that Barks ever really >settled upon a "standard" job location for Donald; he basically >went with whatever seemed >funniest and most incongruous. Van Horn has done the same. Yes, I always had the opinion that Donald bounced back and forth between many different and bizarre jobs, including many for Scrooge. (Nepotism, anyone? ;) Also excuse the off-topic reference, but this reminds me of Sakura's older brother in the Cardcaptor Sakura manga. Wherever Sakura and her friends go, to a malt shop or a cafe or some other place, her brother is working there. The running gag is funny. ^_^ Katie Sullivan http://www.sullivanet.com/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From kyrimis at cti.gr Mon Sep 15 08:55:29 2003 From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 09:55:29 +0300 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 29 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F656261.7020302@cti.gr> DON: > ...I'd rather be slapped with a wet oolated squigg. Is there any other kind? :-) Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr) (WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis) ----- "I've got this shocking pain, right behind the eyes!" "Have you considered amputation?" ----- From sgarciab at soluziona.com Mon Sep 15 09:24:54 2003 From: sgarciab at soluziona.com (sgarciab@soluziona.com) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 09:24:54 +0200 Subject: Picsou!! Message-ID: Fabio: >>I am here on my home, in Buenos Aires. I have on my hands the Picsou issue from September... Isn't life wonderful? Yes, I felt the same the 1st time I read Picsou. Welcome to the World-Wide Picsou Readers Elite Group! ;-) Santiago. From longtom at oeste.com.ar Mon Sep 15 09:42:17 2003 From: longtom at oeste.com.ar (Fabio Blanco) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 04:42:17 -0300 Subject: Picsou!! References: Message-ID: <008101c37b5c$ec85b860$b07f37c8@fabio> Thanks Santiago... I just would be more happy without Daisy comics. I feel pain in the feet when I see her with these shoes... Glorious time: the nephews staring with amazing the place where the money bin was, in the Don Rosa comic. FABIO bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar > Yes, I felt the same the 1st time I read Picsou. Welcome to the World-Wide > Picsou Readers Elite Group! > > ;-) > > Santiago. From donrosa at iglou.com Mon Sep 15 15:07:03 2003 From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 09:07:03 -0400 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 33 In-Reply-To: <200309151001.h8FA1UrO002927@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: > From: Kriton Kyrimis > > ...I'd rather be slapped with a wet oolated squigg. > > Is there any other kind? :-) Well, sure! What if oolating a squigg is like kippering a herring? (i.e. a process of smoking and dehydration.) Being slapped with a wet oolated squigg would be akin to being whipped with a wet cat-o-nine-tails. From aa.nielsen at mail.tele.dk Mon Sep 15 17:16:30 2003 From: aa.nielsen at mail.tele.dk (Alex Nielsen) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 17:16:30 +0200 Subject: SV: Barks art at Cels Galerie Hamburg In-Reply-To: <20030914160756.7425CBEE3D@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Message-ID: <002c01c37b9c$5717ad70$051b29c3@p4> Hello Dani?l, I have been to the Cels-Galerie in Hamburg a few times, and know they have really good items, but wasnt aware that they have these items in commission - thanks for the info !! You could have just posted the http://www.cels-galerie.de/carl_barks/kommission/ link, since it contains links and pictures to all the other links :o) Im trying to log the unique/original art sold at ebay + a few other sites. Unfortunately its very time consuming, so I might miss a lot of them. Furthermore, I try to narrow it down to the oil painting/lithograph preliminaries and such items. Im also listing them on my website, while only 2 items that sold are listed there right now... I do have a few others comming up though ! If you have any pointers of which sites to log, and mabe you would share some of your records, to add to the site, you are quite welcome to contact me. My best, Alex Nielsen aa.nielsen at mail.tele.dk (also my MSN Messenger address) www.carlbarks.ws -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: Daniel van Eijmeren [mailto:dve at kabelfoon.nl] Sendt: 14. september 2003 18:25 Til: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se Emne: Barks art at Cels Galerie Hamburg Here are some links to original Barks art. Unfortunately, the pictures were made with a digital camera instead of a scanner. Among the pictures, is a photo of a rarely seen Barks's 1997 oil, and a preliminary, showing Scrooge smokewriting dollar signs. I apologize for not giving descriptions for the links. If someone else wants to do that, then *please* go ahead. Are there people here who are logging unique Barks art at Ebay and other auction sites? Please let me know. I had to give up more than a year ago, so I hope that I wasn't the only one visiting and saving such material. Again, please let me know! Main link: http://www.cels-galerie.de/ Originale section: http://www.cels-galerie.de/carl_barks/zeichnungen/ http://www.cels-galerie.de/carl_barks/zeichnungen/zoom.phtml?cel=792 http://www.cels-galerie.de/carl_barks/zeichnungen/zoom.phtml?cel=1068 Kommission section: http://www.cels-galerie.de/carl_barks/kommission/ http://www.cels-galerie.de/carl_barks/kommission/zoom.phtml?cel=1439 http://www.cels-galerie.de/carl_barks/kommission/zoom.phtml?cel=1453 http://www.cels-galerie.de/carl_barks/kommission/zoom.phtml?cel=1454 http://www.cels-galerie.de/carl_barks/kommission/zoom.phtml?cel=1455 http://www.cels-galerie.de/carl_barks/kommission/zoom.phtml?cel=1456 http://www.cels-galerie.de/carl_barks/kommission/zoom.phtml?cel=1457 http://www.cels-galerie.de/carl_barks/kommission/zoom.phtml?cel=1458 http://www.cels-galerie.de/carl_barks/kommission/zoom.phtml?cel=1459 http://www.cels-galerie.de/carl_barks/kommission/zoom.phtml?cel=1460 http://www.cels-galerie.de/carl_barks/kommission/zoom.phtml?cel=1461 http://www.cels-galerie.de/carl_barks/kommission/zoom.phtml?cel=1462 http://www.cels-galerie.de/carl_barks/kommission/zoom.phtml?cel=1463 Thanks to Gerd Syllwasschi for reporting this site and some of it's contents to me. --- Dani?l From dve at kabelfoon.nl Mon Sep 15 17:42:57 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 17:42:57 +0200 Subject: High-heeled shoes for female ducks like Daisy and Magica Message-ID: <20030915152621.55D50BE737@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Here's some information literally taken from Thomas Andrae article "The Animation Years," published in the Carl Barks Library (07B-424). Can someone tell me the origin of the quote that has been taken from "The Fine Art of Walt Disney's Donald Duck" (page 174)? What is the date? Is it taken from a letter or from an interview, etc.? - - - - - - The bevy of girl ducks Barks drew for the mirage sequence in "Lost Prospectors" anticpates his work on Daisy. Always concerned with physical and mechanical accuracy, the artist had trouble conceiving how the standard duck foot could be squeezed into a lady's high-heeled shoe. "Lord, they're terrible things!" he laughs. "To make a slipper for Daisy or Magica de Spell, knowing that they have those flat feet to start out with, I had to throw away the idea of the flat duck feet and just draw a slender duck leg coming down into a woman's shoe and never consider what the feet would look like all rolled up" (quoted in The Fine Art of Walt Disney's Donald Duck, Scottsdale, AZ and West Plains, MO, Another Rainbow Publishing, Inc., 1981, page 174). Another time, the Duck Man added, "They would have to look like rolled-up newspapers!" (interview by Bruce Hamilton, January 8 1983). - - - - - - "Lost Prospectors" (March 1938) is an unproduced Disney cartoon, with Donald Duck and Gus Goose. --- Dani?l From tbbreijer at hotmail.com Mon Sep 15 17:41:33 2003 From: tbbreijer at hotmail.com (Tristan B Breijer) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 17:41:33 +0200 Subject: The origin of Uncle Scrooge Message-ID: Hi I recently saw a WWII propaganda cartoon by Disney from 1943 which features a character who looked remarkably like Uncle Scrooge, he was wearing a kilt and spoke with a Scottish accent had sideburns and a cane. Does anyone know if Carl Barks created this character or maybe got his inspiration from this cartoon? Kindest Regards Tristan B Breijer tbbreijer at hotmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030915/031656f3/attachment.html From lschulte at sfstoledo.org Mon Sep 15 21:50:11 2003 From: lschulte at sfstoledo.org (L. Schulte) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 15:50:11 -0400 Subject: Disney Artist Jules Engel In-Reply-To: <200309150038.h8F0cprN019797@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.1.20030915154351.00abcb38@10.0.0.8> One of the first Disney animators died at 94, Jules Engel. You can find his obituary at: http://www.nytimes.com/pages/obituaries/index.html Also there is an article on DC Comics and the rise of new graphic novels: http://www.nytimes.com/pages/business/media/index.html You will have to register with the NY Times to read these articles. Thought: Are there any Duck artists interested in doing a "graphic novel" of Uncle Scrooge or Donald? I suppose in a sense the Life and Time of Scrooge McDuck is already graphic novel length. 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You would be happier because you wouldn't have to go through the tedious process of illustration, anymore, and we fans would be happier because we would get many more of your stories. :-) -Yossi In a message dated 9/13/2003 6:06:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, donrosa at iglou.com writes: Or look at me at a convention: I'll sit sometimes for 7 to 10 hours nonstop drawing for fans. Do I do it because I like drawing? No, I *hate* drawing! I know some cartoonists like Jim Engel or Sergio Aragones who LOVE to draw 24 hours a day, filling private sketch books "just for fun" -- that mystifies me! I detest drawing but I like to tell stories. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030916/58230760/attachment.html From hans.kiesl at sowi.uni-bamberg.de Tue Sep 16 12:36:05 2003 From: hans.kiesl at sowi.uni-bamberg.de (Hans Kiesl) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:36:05 +0200 Subject: Timo: Re: Comic strip department In-Reply-To: <200309150039.h8F0derP019822@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <3F6703B5.12170.C12926@localhost> Timo: You wrote on Sun, 14 Sep 2003: > I've seen a map, floor plan of early Hyperion studio on CD-Rom > "Walt Disney - an Intimate History". It was drawn after > recollections of old animators. It has detailed placement of > animator's desks etc. during 1929-30. Animators worked in one big > room. Ub Iwerks and Floyd Gottfredson sat their backs against > together. There is also little room, closet even, that has text > "Comic Strip" and name Win Smith. Is this map published in any > book? This map was included in a special issue of the German fanzine "Der Donaldist", which was entirely devoted to Floyd Gottfredson. Unfortunately no exact reference is given; it is just stated that this map was drawn by Floyd Gottfredson for an issue of "Funnyworld". (Sorry, I don't have any information regarding your other questions.) -Hans- From timoro at hotmail.com Tue Sep 16 13:11:44 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:11:44 +0300 Subject: Comic strip department Message-ID: Hans: >This map was included in a special issue of the German fanzine >"Der Donaldist", which was entirely devoted to Floyd Gottfredson. Thanks for the info! Do you mean DD-Sonderheft 27, Gottfredson special? Could anyone get me a good scan of the map? Thanks in advance! Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ............................... "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - kaikki yst?v?t klikkauksen p??ss?! Lataa t?st? ilmaiseksi. http://www.msn.fi/viestintapalvelut/Messenger From cord at wiljes.de Tue Sep 16 13:12:44 2003 From: cord at wiljes.de (Cord Wiljes) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 13:12:44 +0200 Subject: Comic strip department In-Reply-To: <3F6703B5.12170.C12926@localhost> Message-ID: <007701c37c43$7470abe0$0101a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> Timo wrote: >> I've seen a map, floor plan of early Hyperion studio on CD-Rom >> "Walt Disney - an Intimate History". It was drawn after >> recollections of old animators. Hans wrote: > This map was included in a special issue of the German fanzine > "Der Donaldist", which was entirely devoted to Floyd Gottfredson. I posted info where you can buy this issue to dcml-talk: [url]http://www.dcml-talk.org/read.php?f=1&i=190&t=190[/url] Cord From lists-read at thoddi.de Tue Sep 16 13:36:40 2003 From: lists-read at thoddi.de (Thorsten Bremer) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 13:36:40 +0200 Subject: Comic strip department In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3212682203.20030916133640@thoddi.de> Moin timo, > Thanks for the info! Do you mean DD-Sonderheft 27, Gottfredson special? > Could anyone get me a good scan of the map? Well, this issue is still available at the publisher :-) Special price for DCML-readers: 3,13 EUR including shipping in Europe. http://www.donald.org/de/DD/DDSH/index.html#ddsh27 -- Bis denne, Thoddi From cord at wiljes.de Tue Sep 16 13:51:29 2003 From: cord at wiljes.de (Cord Wiljes) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 13:51:29 +0200 Subject: AW: Comic strip department In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c37c48$dea439a0$0101a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> Hans wrote: >>This map was included in a special issue of the German fanzine >>"Der Donaldist", which was entirely devoted to Floyd Gottfredson. Timo wrote: > Could anyone get me a good scan of the map? > Thanks in advance! Here it is: http://www.dcml-talk.org/read.php?f=1&i=191&t=190 Cord From timoro at hotmail.com Tue Sep 16 14:18:14 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 15:18:14 +0300 Subject: AW: Comic strip department Message-ID: >Here it is: >http://www.dcml-talk.org/read.php?f=1&i=191&t=190 Thanks a lot! It was so darned small in that CD-Rom, which I mentioned, that it was nearly unreadable. I think I still will buy that Gottfredson special some day pretty soon. Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ............................... "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ Tilaa nyt Hotmail postit k?nnykk??si! http://www.msn.fi/mobiili/ From donrosa at iglou.com Tue Sep 16 15:03:36 2003 From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 09:03:36 -0400 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 34 In-Reply-To: <200309161001.h8GA1CrO027453@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: From: YMH at aol.com >>>>If I may ask a question, then: Why *do* you draw? There were no names in this question, but it seems to be addressed to me in response to my saying that I hate drawing since it's tedious and I never learned how to do it in the proper smooth & efficient manner necessary to make it look nice and earn better (in that it's faster) pay. I draw because I am a self-taught "creator of comics", as opposed to a "cartoonist" or "artist" which I would be if I had studied the normal way people approach this stuff. To me, creating a comic is all one process -- writing and drawing it are not separated in my mind, and in fact, the most important central portion of the process wherein I create the storyboard-script (essentially a mock-up of the entire comic story) is an absolute combination of both writing and drawing which could not be done if I was only a writer or only an artist. At this point I am writing (the pacing, the dialogue, etc.) as well as drawing (designing the panel lay-out, camera-angles, lighting effects, poses, expressions, action, etc.). For me, it's all one process, like walking with both legs. I like to create comic stories. So, even though one portion of the process is not to my liking, it still would never occur to me to NOT perform that portion of the process. If I only did one half of the work and left the other half to some other person altogether, that would not be creating comics to me. If I didn't want to walk with my right leg, I wouldn't be walking, I'd be hopping. I don't know how to explain it. You're asking this of someone who didn't decide to become a writer or artist or even writer/artist when he was 20 or 10 or even 5, as with someone who studies the various aspects of what they consider different jobs in the process of making comics. I wanted to create comic stories since my earliest memory... so my concept of the process is an abstract thought formed perhaps when I was in the crib drooling on my big sister's comics. I'll "create comics" my way as long as I can. If time or physical ability someday force me to do only the writing (or only the drawing, which seems less likely), I guess I could do it... but I wouldn't take much pride in it... and I think I might lose interest in the product. I believe I'd sooner just quit and start selling my comic book collection and have some REAL money! From ksaarto at mbnet.fi Tue Sep 16 19:26:10 2003 From: ksaarto at mbnet.fi (Kai Saarto) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 20:26:10 +0300 Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 7, Issue 30 In-Reply-To: <166.25998eaa.2c97ef9a@aol.com> References: <166.25998eaa.2c97ef9a@aol.com> Message-ID: <3F6747B2.90309@mbnet.fi> YMH at aol.com wrote: [about Don Rosa not loving the art-part of comic making] > I happen to like your art very much (especially your drawings of > Panchito in THREE CABALLEROS RIDE AGAIN -- I always have preferred the > glimmery Studio eyes to the missing-pie-wedge Barks eyes), but I like > your stories even more. And presumably you can produce quality stories > at a far more rapid rate than you can produce art -- so why not write > scripts for other artists to illustrate? You would be happier because > you wouldn't have to go through the tedious process of illustration, > anymore, and we fans would be happier because we would get many more > of your stories. :-) Er... what eyes? (I'm showing my ignorance here). Don doing just the scripts wouldn't be the same. His complex style fits to his complex writing like a beak to a duck. But Don already explained his own view of creating comics, so I don't go there. -- - Kai Saarto http://www.go.to/donrosa From ksaarto at mbnet.fi Wed Sep 17 07:02:49 2003 From: ksaarto at mbnet.fi (Kai Saarto) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 08:02:49 +0300 Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 7, Issue 30 In-Reply-To: <15d.24a79ba3.2c9920e6@aol.com> References: <15d.24a79ba3.2c9920e6@aol.com> Message-ID: <3F67EAF9.5000709@mbnet.fi> I'm putting to this for all to see: YMH at aol.com wrote: > Er... what eyes? (I'm showing my ignorance here). > > Look at the way Disney Ducks' eye pupils are drawn in different > places. They're seldom just black ellipses; usually they have a spot > of white in there to lend them dimensionality or detail or something. > In animation and most merchandise, the ducks' eyes have a little white > circle missing to make them look shiny. But in the comics, instead of > this little white circle, they have a triangle missing, as if someone > had cut a slice out of a pie. I was just saying that I happen to > prefer the glimmer style to the missing-pie-wedge style. Ah, I get it now. Yes, I definetely agree. I've always kind of disliked the missing-pie-wedge style, too. > Don doing just the scripts wouldn't be the same. > > True, but it wouldn't necessarily be worse; just different. Well, there *are* some excellent artist that might do justice to Don's writing. Personally, I'd still like to see only short gag-stories drawn by others. Don does so much research on the graphical details of those historical adventure stories that artist-only types probably wouldn't be able to do (lack of time, interest of ability for extensive research). > But Don already explained > his own view of creating comics, so I don't go there. > > Oh? What is this explanation? I am referring to his latest DCML-message. Basically it says he couldn't separate the writing and drawing part, since to him they are one big process. Doing just one wouldn't be "creating comics" to him. -- - Kai Saarto http://www.go.to/donrosa From YMH at aol.com Wed Sep 17 07:27:03 2003 From: YMH at aol.com (YMH@aol.com) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 01:27:03 EDT Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 7, Issue 30 Message-ID: <6f.3c9bc360.2c994aa7@aol.com> Oh, sorry. I must not have seen this yet since I suscribe to the digest version of the list. -Yossi In a message dated 9/17/2003 1:02:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ksaarto at mbnet.fi writes: I am referring to his latest DCML-message. Basically it says he couldn't separate the writing and drawing part, since to him they are one big process. Doing just one wouldn't be "creating comics" to him. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030917/3682fbb6/attachment.html From rocker_boy_1 at hotmail.com Thu Sep 18 10:41:00 2003 From: rocker_boy_1 at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?B?am9zZWYgdGj2cm5iZXJn?=) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 08:41:00 +0000 Subject: whos the best? Message-ID: I have heard people arguing about whos best of carl barks and don rosa,whatdo you think?? _________________________________________________________________ Hitta r?tt k?pare p? MSN K?p & S?lj http://www.msn.se/koposalj From dve at kabelfoon.nl Thu Sep 18 12:26:27 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:26:27 +0200 Subject: whos the best? Message-ID: <20030918100954.7C88019FEC8@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> JOSEF THORNBERG, 18-09-2003: > I have heard people arguing about whos best of carl barks and > don rosa,whatdo you think?? Generally, I don't like "who's the best" discussions if they are limited to just a few choices. Such conditions tend to open a door to lots of quarrels, while the answers remain pointless. And why don't you share *your* opinion, instead of only asking for other people's opinions? --- Dani?l From mgs.srs at get2net.dk Thu Sep 18 13:18:13 2003 From: mgs.srs at get2net.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mogens_S=F8rensen?=) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 13:18:13 +0200 Subject: whos the best? References: Message-ID: <001e01c37dd6$8cb76b50$0ec88e81@v4n6a6> Barks with no doubt. Not that Rosa is bad ----- Original Message ----- From: "josef th?rnberg" To: Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 10:41 AM Subject: whos the best? > I have heard people arguing about whos best of carl barks and don > rosa,whatdo you think?? > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hitta r?tt k?pare p? MSN K?p & S?lj http://www.msn.se/koposalj > > From cord.wiljes at biblioforum.de Thu Sep 18 13:57:36 2003 From: cord.wiljes at biblioforum.de (Cord Wiljes) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 13:57:36 +0200 Subject: AW: whos the best? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801c37ddc$0df5de40$0101a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> josef th?rnberg wrote: > (...) whos best of carl barks and don rosa,whatdo you think?? Here are those which immediately spring to mind: Barks: Lost in the Andes; The Swimming Race Rosa: The Pied Piper of Duckburg Cord From ggk at wp.pl Thu Sep 18 14:50:36 2003 From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:50:36 +0200 Subject: whos the best? References: Message-ID: <000901c37de3$7544fed0$e916fea9@z0m3c8> > I have heard people arguing about whos best of carl barks and don > rosa,whatdo you think?? > Well, I personly prefer Don Rosa but Carl Barks are god to. Yours Maciek From rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com Thu Sep 18 14:44:14 2003 From: rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com (rodney-selfhelpbikeco@juno.com) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:44:14 GMT Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 7, Issue 36 Message-ID: <20030918.054508.19581.155986@webmail09.nyc.untd.com> >I have heard people arguing about whos best of carl barks and don >rosa,whatdo you think?? Lately, I enjoy reading Rosa more, but I think Barks was more revolutionary, in that he created the foundation that Rosa bases his stories on. But really, in some way or another, this topic is discussed almost daily on DCML..... rodney. ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From danshane at bellsouth.net Thu Sep 18 15:04:43 2003 From: danshane at bellsouth.net (danshane@bellsouth.net) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 9:04:43 -0400 Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 7, Issue 36 Message-ID: <20030918130443.EJQO9795.imf18aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> NOBODY IMPORTANT WROTE: > I have heard people arguing about whos best of carl barks and don > rosa,whatdo you think?? AND I RESPOND: Fee, fi, fo fum. I think I know a troll when I see one. If I'm mistaken, I apologize, but I wait to be proved wrong. I strongly recommend that NO ONE answers this meaningless question. Dan From cien2 at cbn.net.id Thu Sep 18 15:54:39 2003 From: cien2 at cbn.net.id (Arie Fachrisal) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:54:39 +0700 Subject: Who's the best? References: <200309181003.h8IA3Je3020003@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <002201c37dec$68eb22a0$90779eca@cien2> > From: josef th?rnberg > I have heard people arguing about whos best of carl barks and don > rosa,whatdo you think?? I believe it depends on each and every people's personal subjective choice. I, for one, dont like to compare the two of them. Comparing arts is really a nuisance. There is no better art than other art but there are some sort of arts that will be appreciated more by a certain segment of people and disliked by others etc. I believe all of that is more of a personal choice/view/opinion rather than an exact "knowledge" of which one's the best. Can you name the best writer in literature history ever? Some people might say Shakespeare, some might say the person who wrote the bible, some others might say it's Tolkien. Keep On Quacking, Arie Fachrisal enjoying a nice plum candy. From lis- at wp.pl Thu Sep 18 18:38:56 2003 From: lis- at wp.pl (mateusz lis) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:38:56 +0200 Subject: whos the best? Message-ID: Maciek Kur: > Well, I personly prefer Don Rosa but Carl Barks are god to. God? I'll be grateful if you admit me to your Church :-) Best wishes, Mateusz Lis From vazali at yahoo.com Thu Sep 18 19:43:07 2003 From: vazali at yahoo.com (Katie Sullivan) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 10:43:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 7, Issue 36 In-Reply-To: <200309181001.h8IA0Ze2019544@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <20030918174307.2212.qmail@web41503.mail.yahoo.com> > From: josef thörnberg > Subject: whos the best? > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 08:41:00 +0000 > To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se > > I have heard people arguing about whos best of carl barks and > don > rosa,whatdo you think?? There is no "best." It's comparing apples and oranges. Artists each have their own style, their own strengths and weaknesses. So much depends on personal taste and opinion. There is no "best" or "better" artist. There is only "best" or "better" in *your opinion.* Which makes it impossible to start a reasonable debate with a question like this. Katie Sullivan http://www.sullivanet.com (still down, coming back soon) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From mas at nic.nu Thu Sep 18 20:06:27 2003 From: mas at nic.nu (mas) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:06:27 -0400 Subject: Oolated Squiggs on ebay In-Reply-To: <200309181001.h8IA0Ze1019544@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.1.20030918140246.03e2ac00@mail.nic.nu> The Phishkissers have finally met their match! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2952425192 From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Thu Sep 18 21:32:33 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:32:33 +0200 Subject: Oolated Squiggs on ebay References: <5.1.1.6.1.20030918140246.03e2ac00@mail.nic.nu> Message-ID: <001901c37e1b$9b929ec0$d51efbc1@computer> >>>> The Phishkissers have finally met their match!> >>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2952425192 Appalling. This has got to be among the top 100 e-bay scams. I hope nobody will actually fall for it & bid for it-- even for fun, since bidding binds you. I remember a discussion we had 1-2 years (?) ago regarding such labels. I don't remember who had made them. I remember discussing this with Kriton, especially the bar code thing (finding a code maker, what code for Calisotta, ...). It may have been intended as a joke. But then, putting it up on a private (duck-related) site would have sufficed. Olivier ------- "[...]the greatest invention of the age!" "Only five dollars! It removes wrinkles from old paper bags!" From cord.wiljes at biblioforum.de Thu Sep 18 21:29:40 2003 From: cord.wiljes at biblioforum.de (Cord Wiljes) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:29:40 +0200 Subject: AW: Oolated Squiggs on ebay In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.1.20030918140246.03e2ac00@mail.nic.nu> Message-ID: <002901c37e1b$35660100$0101a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> mas wrote: > The Phishkissers have finally met their match! > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2952425192 Customers who bought this item also bought: http://www.extonaustralia.com/category89_1.htm Cord From xephyr at cwnet.com Thu Sep 18 21:17:49 2003 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:17:49 -0700 Subject: whos the best? Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030918/d80dbd2a/attachment.pl From cord.wiljes at biblioforum.de Thu Sep 18 21:51:46 2003 From: cord.wiljes at biblioforum.de (Cord Wiljes) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:51:46 +0200 Subject: AW: Oolated Squiggs on ebay In-Reply-To: <001901c37e1b$9b929ec0$d51efbc1@computer> Message-ID: <002d01c37e1e$4b6f2640$0101a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> Olivier wrote: > Appalling. This has got to be among the top 100 e-bay scams. I am tempted to offer my ball of bombastium on eBay. Starting bid will be one trillion dollars and six kitchen sinks. Cord From mas at nic.nu Thu Sep 18 22:10:25 2003 From: mas at nic.nu (mas) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:10:25 -0400 Subject: Oolated Squiggs label In-Reply-To: <200309181935.h8IJZGe1016772@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.1.20030918160854.03e34e70@mail.nic.nu> At 09:35 PM 9/18/2003 +0200, you wrote: >I remember a discussion we had 1-2 years (?) ago regarding such labels. I >don't remember who had made them. I remember discussing this with Kriton, >especially the bar code thing (finding a code maker, what code for >Calisotta, ...). I just found this page on google, although it didn't come up yesterday when I did a search for oolated squiggs: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/squiggs.html Is this the label you're talking about? - M From timoro at hotmail.com Thu Sep 18 22:47:44 2003 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 23:47:44 +0300 Subject: Oolated Squiggs label Message-ID: >http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/squiggs.html > >Is this the label you're talking about? That's the one. I made it. For a moment I was afraid it's that one that someone is trying to sell. whee... You can have that one for free, just supply your own can and squiggs, though ;-) Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ............................... "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ Tilaa nyt Hotmail postit k?nnykk??si! http://www.msn.fi/mobiili/ From pyas at swipnet.se Thu Sep 18 23:39:07 2003 From: pyas at swipnet.se (Stefan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Di=F6s?=) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 23:39:07 +0200 Subject: whos the best In-Reply-To: <200309181936.h8IJZGe3016772@numerus.ling.uu.se> References: <200309181936.h8IJZGe3016772@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20030918232920.02f3bba0@janus.swip.net> Dan Shane: >Fee, fi, fo fum. I think I know a troll when I see one. If I'm mistaken, >I apologize, but I wait to be proved wrong. I strongly recommend that NO >ONE answers this meaningless question. With all respect, Dan, I believe that you may be barking up the wrong tree here. I believe that I know the person who asked the question, and I believe that he is genuinely interested in learning other people's opinions and seeing the matter discussed. I also believe that he yet is somewhat younger than, for example, you or me, but I don't believe that is a reason to dismiss him as less "important". Still, of course, everybody can decide for themselves whether to add to the discussion or not. For my own part, I will choose to abstain. And if my beliefs above are very much off the mark, I too will have to apologize. Stefan Dios Malmo, Sweden From xephyr at cwnet.com Fri Sep 19 01:13:55 2003 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:13:55 -0700 Subject: JW Firsts! Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030919/04bd9a0f/attachment.pl From dve at kabelfoon.nl Fri Sep 19 02:42:04 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 02:42:04 +0200 Subject: March 6 1963 Barks letter about Magica Message-ID: <20030919002523.0B1D41A01DF@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> At Ebay I found the following information. It's fan letter with *two* inked drawings. Follow the link to see large photo's of the contents. Carl Barks sent this package to my mother after receiving a fan letter from her. This auction is for the envelope, letter and two drawings. The artwork is an approximately 9X11 blue pencil and ink drawing One has a small smear and the other has what I was told is a coffee stain. The letter reads: Dear Peggy - Your letter of Feb, 12 to Walt Disney has been sent to me. I am the guy who writes and draws the Uncle Scrooge Comic books. Also I'm the guy who invented Magica de Spell. It is pleasing to know somebody likes Magica. I never know when I invent a character whether the readers will like the character. So know that I know you like her, I can figure that many others readers will like her, too. Thanks for the nice letter saying so. I hope you will like the drawings of Magica that I have made for you. Thanks again for the interest. Sincerely Carl barks The letter is dated March 6 1963. Please, contact me if you have any questions. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3239603678&category=1530 --- Dani?l From dve at kabelfoon.nl Fri Sep 19 11:49:12 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:49:12 +0200 Subject: Magica de Spell / Magica De Spell Message-ID: <20030919093232.6A2F019FC7E@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Someone pointed out to me that my link to the March 6, 1963 letter at Ebay, gives an answer to how Barks himself spelled Magica's name. In the letter, and on the foof bomb drawing, Barks spells "Magica de Spell". http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3239603678&category=1530 I'm curious if Barks was consistent in spelling Magica's name, or did he change that through the years? --- Dani?l From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Fri Sep 19 11:37:49 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:37:49 +0200 Subject: March 6 1963 Barks letter about Magica References: <20030919002523.0B1D41A01DF@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Message-ID: <003c01c37e91$b11050a0$c6f0fdc1@computer> Hi! Mas & Timo: Thanks for finding the label! Sorry I didn't remember who made it. Dani?l: >>> At Ebay I found the following information. It's fan letter with *two* >>> inked drawings Splendid drawings. Sad thing he's selling them. A museum of cartoon art ought to buy them. Olivier From dve at kabelfoon.nl Fri Sep 19 12:46:57 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 12:46:57 +0200 Subject: The origin of Uncle Scrooge Message-ID: <20030919103016.B5A67BE7A2@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> TRISTAN BREIJER, 15-09-2003: > I recently saw a WWII propaganda cartoon by Disney from 1943 which > features a character who looked remarkably like Uncle Scrooge, he > was wearing a kilt and spoke with a Scottish accent had sideburns > and a cane. > Does anyone know if Carl Barks created this character or maybe got > his inspiration from this cartoon? That must be "The Spirit of '43", of which two pictures are shown in Marcia Blitz's book on Donald Duck. As far as I know, this question has never really been answered. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I don't know when the cartoon was released. If it was in 1943, or 1944, there might a chance that Barks was still working at the Disney Studio, when the cartoon was being created and produced. According to the Carl Barks Library (07B-430), Barks left the Studio on November 6, 1942. Cartoons to which he contributed, appeared up to 1944. So, I guess that there might at least be a chance that Barks has seen something of "The Spirit of '43", before he left the Studio. Any comments on this are welcome. And again, I might be wrong. However, I've always thought that the looks of this Scrooge-like character would have prevented Barks from getting a copyright on Scrooge. That Scottish duck and Scrooge McDuck look very similar to me, even though it might just be a coincidence. (The other duck looks a bity like the early Gladstone to me, by the way.) But even IF Barks would somehow have used this cartoon as inspiration for his characters, it would just have been a little spark. Opposed to some similarities, there are MANY differences. Just try to imagine how Donald Duck would have been if Barks never existed. --- Dani?l From danshane at bellsouth.net Fri Sep 19 12:41:53 2003 From: danshane at bellsouth.net (danshane@bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 6:41:53 -0400 Subject: Sorry about the 'troll' thing Message-ID: <20030919104153.BMHN13391.imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> STEFAN WROTE: > With all respect, Dan, I believe that you may be barking up the wrong tree > here. I believe that I know the person who asked the question, and I > believe that he is genuinely interested in learning other people's opinions > and seeing the matter discussed. I also believe that he yet is somewhat > younger than, for example, you or me, but I don't believe that is a reason > to dismiss him as less "important". AND I REPLY: As I said before, if someone proved me wrong I would be quick to apologize, and so I do. I did not recognize the name of the person who posted the question, and it just sounded way too close to a typical baited statement meant to start an argument. I have seen message boards descend into the abyss of name-calling and hurt feelings because of "contests" like the one suggested. I hope the young person who asked the question will accept my regrets and realize that mailing lists and newsgroups can serve a finder purpose than pitting people against one another. Dan From SRoweCanoe at aol.com Fri Sep 19 12:53:54 2003 From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe@aol.com) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 06:53:54 EDT Subject: The origin of Uncle Scrooge Message-ID: <120.254e55d6.2c9c3a42@aol.com> In a message dated 9/19/2003 6:39:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dve at kabelfoon.nl writes: That must be "The Spirit of '43", of which two pictures are shown in Marcia Blitz's book on Donald Duck. As far as I know, this question has never really been answered. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I don't know when the cartoon was released. If it was in 1943, or 1944, the spirit of 43 - was of course released in 43! the scottish duck and uncle scrooge are both donald with scottish stereotypes added on (of course uncle scrooge became a heck of a lot more than that) sr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030919/0ae0acb3/attachment.html From DGE at ECN.egmont.com Fri Sep 19 13:38:29 2003 From: DGE at ECN.egmont.com (Gerstein, David DK - ECN) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:38:29 +0200 Subject: The origin of Uncle Scrooge Message-ID: <9160C3BDF7D0CB43A73E11CCF133D21D0179A2EF@cphegtd1-xch01.egt.egmont.com> DANI?L: "I've always thought that the looks of [THE SPIRIT OF '43's] Scrooge-like character would have prevented Barks from getting a copyright on Scrooge." You seem to be suggesting that Carl Barks would have liked ownership of Scrooge for himself. Have you ever read anything about his actual opinions on the subject? (Actually, as Barks created Scrooge for a comic story that was Disney property, it's difficult for me to see how he could have claimed ownership of the character under any circumstances, even if he had wanted to...) David From cord at wiljes.de Fri Sep 19 14:29:11 2003 From: cord at wiljes.de (Cord Wiljes) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:29:11 +0200 Subject: AW: The origin of Uncle Scrooge In-Reply-To: <9160C3BDF7D0CB43A73E11CCF133D21D0179A2EF@cphegtd1-xch01.egt.egmont.com> Message-ID: <003c01c37ea9$a1c63480$0101a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> DANI?L: > "I've always thought that the looks of [THE SPIRIT OF '43's] > Scrooge-like character would have prevented Barks from > getting a copyright on Scrooge." David > You seem to be suggesting that Carl Barks would have > liked ownership of Scrooge for himself. Have you ever read > anything about his actual opinions on the subject? I understood Daniel's comment as an analogy: If Barks had wanted to copyright Scrooge (which he did not and could not due to his contract with Western and the similarity to the Disney ducks in general) he would have run into the problem that a character already existed which was _very_ similar to his Scrooge McDuck, namely the duck from Disney's "Spirit of 43s". Cord From rocker_boy_1 at hotmail.com Fri Sep 19 16:50:41 2003 From: rocker_boy_1 at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?B?am9zZWYgdGj2cm5iZXJn?=) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:50:41 +0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: I noticed that some people semed to get uppset by my letter "whos best",i didnt want to say that anyone of those is bad, i just wandered whos YOUR favorite disney artist,maybe i said it in a wrong way, _________________________________________________________________ Hitta r?tt p? n?tet med MSN S?k http://search.msn.se/ From cien2 at cbn.net.id Fri Sep 19 18:11:09 2003 From: cien2 at cbn.net.id (Arie Fachrisal) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 23:11:09 +0700 Subject: Oolated Squiggs on ebay References: <200309191003.h8JA1re3016782@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <003001c37ec9$b79f42e0$46779eca@cien2> > From: Cord Wiljes > I am tempted to offer my ball of bombastium on eBay. Starting bid will be one trillion dollars and six kitchen sinks. Are you sure on the starting bid? it's very high, you know. Keep On Quacking, Arie Fachrisal, just short of one kitchen sink.... and a trillion dollars of course ;-P From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com Fri Sep 19 22:06:05 2003 From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:06:05 EDT Subject: August 2003 US Comics Sales Message-ID: <37.3e1b6f80.2c9cbbad@aol.com> The sales for August have come in. Not sure what to make of them. While they don't make up all sales or reorders, there does seem a perceptible decline in sales each month. 195. Uncle Scrooge #321 6,488 203. Walt Disney's Comics and Stories #636 5,929 The big disappointment IMO is DDA #1. Unless I've missed it, it doesn't show up in the Top 300 at all. And this month, you only needed to sell 897 copies to get into the Top 300. Maybe Gary Leach could give us an idea of how well DDA is selling. At any rate, I suppose the 'real' test will be when DD&Friends and MM&Friends come out. At $2.95, price at least, won't be a deterrent to most people. http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/3489.html Derek Smith -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030919/f36d3a65/attachment.html From Danehog at aol.com Fri Sep 19 22:26:48 2003 From: Danehog at aol.com (Danehog@aol.com) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:26:48 EDT Subject: Donald Duck Adventures #1 Sales Position Message-ID: <149.18fc5c25.2c9cc088@aol.com> ZeldasTriforce at aol.com wrote: >The big disappointment IMO is DDA #1. Unless I've >missed it, it doesn't show up in the Top 300 at all. >And this month, you only needed to sell 897 copies to >get into the Top 300. Actually, that list only covers actual comic books, as opposed to graphic novels, which I suppose DDA #1 would classify as. Shockingly, it was the sixth-best selling graphic novel in July (out of 50)! Needless to say, that is definitely good news... Here's the list: http://www.icv2.com/articles/home/3314.html Hopefully, this is a good sign as to how the non-prestige Disney books are going to sell... or at least the graphic novels. -- Dane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030919/4227f8bc/attachment.html From mdevery at netspace.net.au Sat Sep 20 06:32:15 2003 From: mdevery at netspace.net.au (Mike Devery) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 14:32:15 +1000 Subject: 1980 Barks interview (part 1) Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20030920143153.00a247f0@pop.netspace.net.au> Hi everyone, This is a Barks interview from the fanzine "The Duckburg Times". I Google-d sections of it, and it didn't appear to be available anywhere on the web, so I typed it out. If it was all for nothing, and it's already available somewhere, please don't tell me ;-) Mike. ******************** An Interview with Carl and Gar? Barks, by Karl Strzyz. Text ?1980 Karl Strzyz. Back-translation by Stephen Everhard. Revised by Carl Barks. (From "The Duckburg Times" issue 8, October 1980) Karl Strzyz: Carl, as you were drawing and writing your stories back in the 1940s, 50s and 60s, were you aware of their exceptionally high quality? Carl Barks: Well, I think the whole secret lies in the fact that I worked harder at them, gave them my best. KS: But other artists worked hard then, too... Gar? Barks: Hard in that they drove themselves to work very fast. Carl: And maybe they didn't always have the right knack, which is part of it. Just as with craftsmen who build a house, one builds a good house and the other not so good. A lot depends on individual talent, and I had the talent to write good stories, so perhaps that's why it was easier for me than the others. I don't like to say that the other didn't work hard enough - they probably tried often enough to write stories that hung together like mine did, but then they noticed that it's not all that easy and said to themselves: the heck with it, we'll just produce as much as we can... Gar?: Carl, do you remember that one editor who used to say to you, "Why do you make so much work for yourself with your stories? Why don't you just draw one panel, and then the next, and pretty soon you've got a complete story!" Carl: Sure, he always used to say, "You don't need to take so long for a single story, why are you so ambitious, why do your stories always have to be so original?" Well, I just couldn't reconcile that with my conscience. If I didn't give my best, I wasn't satisfied with myself. KS: And you certainly also thought of the children who bought your stories. Carl: Exactly, I wanted them to get their 10 cents' worth. KS: What was it like, as you worked all those years at Western, were there restrictions for you, anything like a kind of censorship? It is well known that some individual panels, and even whole stories were not published. Carl: Now and then they'd return individual panels because they were too violent, or maybe too because they weren't entirely understandable. That goes, by the way, for the foreign market as well, where certain American things wouldn't be understood. I'm thinking of the place you pointed out where the turkey was replaced in the German version by a cornucopia [us: W WDC 142-02; de: MM1953-08]. I suppose turkeys weren't well enough known in Germany then. But that was done by you people in Europe. A typical example of the way Western "censored" things here in the USA was when I called a dog Bolivar, because that was what he'd been called in the old newspaper strips. That seemed obvious and logical to me, but the problem was, down there in South America they've got a national hero who's called Bolivar too, and I when I got and call a dog after their national hero that's an insult to the "real" Bolivar. But those were restrictions that didn't bother me, I just had to do 2 or 3 panels over, and that was that. It was different when my imagination got carried away with me and the ducks got too wild or their opponents too nasty. There are 2 stories that didn't get published for that reason, the "Christmas Carol" story from 1945 [1st half page is lost, the rest was published in "The Fine Art Of Walt Disney's Donald Duck in 1982. Many of the gags were reworked and used in "The Terrible Tourist", us: W WDC 248-01, 1961, eg. the loudspeaker installations], and the "Milkman" story from 1957 [nl: DD1974-47c]. KS: Coming back to the dog named Bolivar for a moment, I remember that his name used to be Bolivar, but didn't he get another name later? What was he called then? Carl: Yes, that was later...but what was his name then? Oh, I remember, Bornworthy, an awfully long name, but one that suited him because he was a thoroughbred. [us: W WDC 125-02] KS: How was it when the ducks were sent to foreign countries, did you do "research" on the culture or geography of those countries? Carl: I didn't know much about it, and didn't worry a lot about it. I couldn't do "research" on a grand scale since I didn't have the necessary books here in the house. The Disney studios of course had whole libraries, but I had no access to them, and that's why a number of errors slipped by me I'm sure. Gar?: And besides, they had their offices over there where people watched out that not too many mistakes were made. KS: So you just sent the ducks off into fantasyland? Gar?: Not quite, he'd look things up occasionally in encyclopaedias or the National Geographic. Carl: Yes, that was about all I did, namely check the geography to see what the trees or plants looked like, the landscape, how the rivers ran, what the climate is, or what sort of natives live there, although I always drew them a little primitively and of course also humoristically stylised. KS: I recall how, for example, in the story "Adventure Down Under" [us: W OS 159-02] they looked typical of their country, in this case then like Australian Aborigines, which means that you caught their likeness well. Carl: Yes, well I always tried. KS: Did you, in all the years you worked for Western, draw a regular salary, or were you a freelance associate paid by the page? Carl: That changed, actually. First I was a free associate and was paid by the page. Then there was a time when in California some strange tax laws were passed, and one of them said that I had to pay a sales tax on each finished story. I didn't concern myself about it, and thought that Western would take care of it somehow, but they apparently didn't do anything about it either. Anyway, all of a sudden the taxmen came to Western and said that they were a couple of thousand dollars in the red and would have to pay back-taxes, whereupon Western turned to us artists and demanded money. Boy, that was a lot of money, because we'd been letting the taxes go for years, and now all of a sudden they wanted it from us artists... Gar?: It was all of $5000! Carl: I can't remember anymore if it was really that much, but I'm sure it was 4-digit number, and I really couldn't pay it. The other artists put up a howl, too, and we tried to reach an agreement with Western. Then Western made a deal with the tax authorities that they would pay 50% of the tax out of their pockets, and we artists didn't have to pay a single dollar. The result of this whole business was that Western, to avoid anything like this in the future, hired those of us artists who did the most work for them permanently with a regular salary, while the other who continued to freelance had in future to pay the tax themselves. KS: You received a fixed salary? Carl: Not fixed in the sense that I got the same thing every month, I was just now permanently employed, though still paid by the page, while receiving all social benefits like health insurance, vacation pay, bonuses when there were any, a pension plan was set up for me, and so on. KS: Do you remember how much you were paid per page then? Carl: Oh yes, in the beginning it was $10 per page, plus $2.50 for every story page. KS: And that was including everything - sketches, inking, etc? Carl: Sure, including everything. And I even had to buy the drawing paper myself - it wasn't provided. KS: That was... Carl: 1942, no, 1943. KS: But that increased over the years, surely. What did you receive toward the end of your career? Carl: The drawing paper, it was paid for. But wait, of course there was more. As far as I can remember, it was $11.50 per story page and $34 for the drawings, naturally again per page. KS: And your wife helped you? Gar?: Oh yes. Of course I was never paid separately, but I often helped. I did a lot of the lettering, and always inked the solid blacks and occasionally the backgrounds which Carl had sketched in pencil. I could never draw the ducks, though - I don't know why. I had a lot of difficulties with them. KS: Getting back to your method of writing a story, can you describe for us the entire process? Carl: Well, I took a piece of paper and drew a few funny situations on it, just ideas that I had - what I could have the ducks do today? When I had enough individual gags, I'd make a short summary and develop the entire story, as a whole. That was one difference between me and the other artists and writers: they'd begin with _one_ situation, eg. Donald runs around in the house, then he goes out, and then what? So they thought, "now what could happen?" And behold, Donald meets somebody. Who could he meet? Let's say Gladstone Gander. What happens next? Ok, they get into an argument, or maybe they don't. Good, let's say they go off together peaceably to have lemonade, and so on, from one panel to the next, until the end of the story. I did it just the other way around: I took individual gags, tightened them up and built the high-point of the story out of them, and then, after this high-point, I went back - how could the ducks get into such a situation, or more concretely: why did the bull smash the china - how did he get there? [us: W WDC 182-01] I always proceeded very logically, and the individual logical steps were made as funny as possible. KS: What gave your stories that special quality was the fact that you both wrote the script and did the drawings yourself. Normally, author and artist are two different people. Carl: That's right, but I think that my way - provided one has talent for both - is really the best. It always seemed to me, after I'd finished a story and sent it off, that I was a complete vacuum and would never have another idea for a story the rest of my life. And then I began to think: what would like to draw? In time, individual ideas would finally come. Why shouldn't Donald by on the sailboat, for then I could draw masts, tackle, or high waves that dash against the ship! So, I'd think to myself: how about a story that takes place on the high seas. Then I'd think again: what climax could I build to - why not introduce the Beagle Boys who fight with the ducks for gold on shipboard? And from that situation, as I said, I'd then go back to the beginning of the story. [us: W US 31-01] KS: Another question: you invented several new characters, like Uncle Scrooge, the Beagle Boys, and Gyro Gearloose - who else? Carl: Gladstone Gander and Magica De Spell. KS: Why did you introduce these new figures? Do you think it would still be possible today? Carl: There were definite reasons for it. When I had used Donald and his three nephews several times in a row, or example, I'd always think one ought to do something else, make up new gags, and at some point the idea came to me that one could also introduce new characters for this purpose. I introduced Gyro Gearloose, for example, originally as a foil for Donald, a rival, who in his first story [us: W WDC 88-02], concerning a bet, was just as dumb as Donald. He only later developed into such a lucky duck. KS: And how about Scrooge? He changed in the course of the years from a hard-hearted and unpleasant old miser to a much more personable character. Carl: The more I used him, the more strongly I realized that one can't always draw a character in a bad light, and more than one can show the same character as having exclusively good qualities - that just gets boring. KS: But some of the best gags resulted from just this confrontation, in which Scrooge brutally abuses Donald. Carl: Of course, and he continued to do that later - maybe not quite so brutally, but still. It's just that simple: one can't always show the same thing. The characters have to be brought into new situations. Take Superman or Spiderman, for example - they always stay the same! Spiderman was doing the same thing five years ago as he does today, and I just don't like that, hence the subtle changes in character. By and large, however, Scrooge remained true to himself: that is he's still rich and greedy and always take advantage of Donald and the nephews - just in a somewhat less harsh manner. Look, when I introduced Scrooge then, I didn't do it with the intention of assuring him a permanent place. He just appeared and had something to do with Donald because the story required it [us: W OS 178-02]; only after quite a while, after he'd been seen several times, the readers got used to him. I didn't make him up and put him into the book and say "here's a new regular character" - that didn't happen till later. Scrooge was created more by chance, in contrast to Magica De Spell, about whom I had more of an idea that here was a new regular figure to be used. Magica was introduced much more intentionally, as a wicked witch who was always after Scrooge's first-earned dime [us: W US 36-01]. I thought at the time: Disney's always had witches who were ugly and repulsive - who shouldn't I draw one that's not ugly, but outright sexy? That's why she's Italian, and of course very popular with readers in Italy. KS: Were you ever paid for the creation of new characters? Carl: Oh no, no! They were my characters, but since they were drawn for Disney, [they were] not my possession. As soon as one does something for Disney it belongs to him, and that could indeed be the reason why young people today don't invent any more new characters. Why should they, when the characters belong to Disney afterward? KS: Your stories were reprinted more than those of other artists. Why do you think your stories were preferred? Gar?: Well, they always wait until a new generation has come along, a generation that doesn't know Carl's stories yet. And his are the best! KS: That is, the stories are more or less timeless? Carl: Oh yes, that's right, they can be read again and again and are still good years later. I always tried for that, just as I always tried to keep the stories as international as possible. That's why, as far as I could, I avoided particularly American things like baseball, because baseball, for example, is only played here. I hardly think that you, in Germany would understand a baseball story. Gar?: That became a problem with one story, namely the Hallowe'en story in Donald Duck. [us: W DD 26-02] Carl: But it was given to me by the studio; that is, a 7 minute film came out then, and my story was supposed to take after the film. I think, however, that the idea behind Hallowe'en, namely getting into costume and mischief, is actually quite universal and can be understood by other countries. From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com Sat Sep 20 07:54:31 2003 From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 01:54:31 EDT Subject: DDA #1 Sales/ Donald Ault Book Question Message-ID: <32.3e140241.2c9d4597@aol.com> Posted by Dane: Actually, that list only covers actual comic books, as opposed to graphic novels, which I suppose DDA #1 would classify as. Shockingly, it was the sixth-best selling graphic novel in July (out of 50)! Needless to say, that is definitely good news...Here's the list:http://www.icv2.com/articles/home/3314.html Hopefully, this is a good sign as to how the non-prestige Disney books are going to sell... or at least the graphic novels. -------------------------------------------- 6. Donald Duck Adventures 5,776 Wow! That's great news. I didn't think to look under graphic novels, I just assumed it would be classified as a regular comic book. It'll be interesting to see how it does compared to other graphic novels in the coming months. I have a question about the following: Ault, Donald: Ducks in Perspective - The Comic Vision of Carl Barks' Disney Comics published by University of Mississippi Press; 2000. A very intelectual study of Carl Barks' work. Probably worth a good look considering the repute of the author ---------- I found this on a Disney books website. It was in the future books section, but the wording makes it seem as if the book was already published. Has it been? I haven't really seen it anywhere except this mention of it on the website. Considering how well done the CB Conversations book was, I'd be intertesing in reading this book as well. http://pizarro.net/didier/_private/tocome.htm Derek Smith -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030920/1344cd2a/attachment.html From mdevery at netspace.net.au Sat Sep 20 09:27:49 2003 From: mdevery at netspace.net.au (Mike Devery) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 17:27:49 +1000 Subject: 1980 Barks interview (part 2 of 2) Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20030920143237.00a2bec0@pop.netspace.net.au> Hi everyone, This is part 2 of the Barks interview from the fanzine "The Duckburg Times". Mike. *********************** KS: Another question: compared with Europe, American funny-animal comics - including Disney comics - sell much worse than they used to. While in other countries like Holland the Donald Duck circulation is increasing, it's tapering off rapidly here. Why is that? Gar?: One of the decisive reasons for this decline of the American comic industry is the terrific popularity of television here. Children simply do not read as much as they used to. KS: When did television arise in the US? Gar?: During the 1940s, but it didn't reach its full importance until the 1950s. That's when it began to offer programming around the clock, 24 hours a day, on many channels; and why should one keep reading when all one has to do is look? Reading is much more strenuous, even if it's "only" a comic book. Carl: We've got broadcasts on Saturday mornings, and then again for an hour or two in the evening, when the children can watch non-stop cartoons like Bugs Bunny and the Roadrunner, and so on, and when one hour's up on channel X then they switch to channel Y. They can do it for hours, and naturally they don't feel very much like buying a comic book - after all, TV's free. I would say that children today just don't learn to read well enough that they get pleasure out of it. But we've also heard that comics sell better in countries like Norway, Holland, and Germany - particularly the Disney comics. KS: Are you familiar with European Disney comics? Carl: Oh yes, and some are very good. Jippes isn't the only one. There are also good people in Denmark and Germany, and someone in Spain... KS: Vicar. Carl: Yes, that may be. And then I like some of the Italian artists very well. I think that you in Europe are much more conscious of quality, that the stories are better chosen; you care more about the reader. KS: In Holland, and more recently the Federal Republic, more of your very early stories are being reprinted. Carl: I'm glad of that. But to come back to television again: In Europe the children don't have much time to watch, since the programs don't run all day. In this country, the set is never off, and what is offered is 99% junk! One can't stress the influence of American television on its population enough - it breaks people down and poisons them! KS: To change the subject, what do you think of the interest being revived in old Disney comics today, of all the people who keep coming to visit you? What do you think when you hear that old books that you drew decades ago now demand and get monstrous prices? Carl: I don't dare to think! Quite seriously, I never dreamed that this would happen, that people today would still remember these old stories and still like them; that completely surprised me, and I really don't know what to make of it! By the way, that goes not just for my Donald Duck stories but also for other old comics like Superman and so on. But apparently these stories must have made such a strong and lasting impression on children then that they with to recapture the feeling - they want to experience a piece of their childhood again, and that's why they collect these old magazines. KS: But isn't there a difference between children who read Donald Duck and those who read Superman? Carl: Among adults who read the magazines today, very definitely. Whoever collects and reads Superman today wants to be reminded of the way he thrilled for the unconquerable hero, how he identified with the one who could do practically anything, who was invincible. But the Ducks were quite different, more emotional somehow, and above all they were truer to life, and not exclusively, like say Superman, residents of the imagination. Simply because they were closer to actual life, one could relate to them as a reader; what happens to Donald could happen to anyone in real life, and the problems one has are similar. And then of course the role of the nephews, who are often superior to Donald - every child dreams of outsmarting his parents, knowing more than they do. I remember as a child thinking similarly to the way the nephews do. As a child one tends to perhaps identify more with the nephews, as a grown-up more with Donald, and therein lies, I would guess, the popularity which the old stories still have today. KS: When you received your first fan-letter years ago, you thought it was a joke. Carl: Oh yes, I sure did. I thought somebody was trying to put one over on me. KS: Who was the first letter from? Carl: It was from a young man, the brother [John] of Bill Spicer. He wrote a very nice letter about the ducks, how much he liked my stories, etc. KS: When was that? Carl: I believe 1959. I read the letter with a great deal of caution, as I lived then near Bob Harmon, who wrote gags for Hank Ketcham's "Dennis the Menace", and Ketcham still lived at that time in Carmel, and it was from there that letter had come from Spicer. I was convinced that Bob Harmon had written the letter, probably to tease me a little, and that's why I ran right over to him and confronted him with the letter and thought myself very clever to have found out the evil-doer so quickly. But as I saw his astonishment over the letter, I realised that he had nothing to do with it, and slowly it dawned on me then. KS: Now according to Disney regulations, the names of artists and authors were not to be revealed under any circumstances, so this is probably why you were surprised by the letter. But I recall that your name popped up several times, once on a box [us: W WDC 78-00], and then again on a can in Donald's cupboard. [us: W WDC 75-01] Carl: Those were not so much my ideas as those of Carl Buettner, who was then my editor at Western. KS: Didn't this anonymity bother you? Carl: Not at all! I was seven years at Disney's studio, and saw there how all the animators, however brilliant they were, were never credited by name - the public only ever heard of Walt Disney. For me it was therefore only natural to expect that later, when I was drawing and writing my own stories, that would be continued; I never expected otherwise, after those seven years. Today I must say that I am quite glad of it, for if my name had been known then I would have received more letters and might never have gotten back to work. Who knows, that might even have influenced my work, for then I might not have drawn and written what I thought was right, but to please the letter-writers. It's quite good to be fully isolated that way when you're working. KS: Who's your favorite character among all the duck clan? Carl: My favorite was always Donald, because I could do the most with him. Everybody suffers changes in mood, and I am euphoric one day and rather depressed the next - and Donald was the same way. The stories which I wrote for him always came off best, because I could always feel for him. He was a part of myself and acted the way I do. On the other hand, I had nothing to do with Scrooge's problems. Gar?: (Laughing) That's what you used to think, but nowadays? Carl: He sprang from the imagination, and had really little to do with my own personality. KS: Do you have any favorite stories? Carl: There are lots of them! Of the 10-pagers, the story I like best is the one in which Donald has a chicken farm and stacks the eggs so high that when an earthquake shakes them loose they cover the town on the valley floor and have to be burned. [us: W WDC 146-01] Gar?: "The Saga Of The Omelet". Carl: Yes, and then there's the one where the ducks move into a quiet neighborhood and Donald is naturally the loudest one of all. That's really good, and even the secondary characters are well done - the cheese-taster who blows his alpenhorn! [us: W WDC 178-02] Gar?: At the time Carl was writing that story, we lived in an apartment house and had awfully loud neighbors; it was only quiet upstairs. Carl: The woman was drunk all day, and the only noise that one heard from her was when another empty wine bottle fell to the floor. But next door - frightful! KS: I've often thought while reading, that many real experiences must be worked into your stories. Experiences like the ones with neighbor Jones just can't be invented! Carl: Yes and no. Naturally, I knew how cement is poured, and that nobody is supposed to step in it; but the most part was made up. [us: W WDC 48-02] Gar?: One story with a real background was the one in which Donald, dressed as an Indian, tries to make it rain. The idea was suggested by Carl's daughter, who lives up in the start of Washington, and there are real Indians for whom this weather hole was a reality; they believed in it. [us: W WDC 202-01] Carl: Oh yes, and then there's the story of the square eggs, with lots of good gags which close in toward the end on a big surprise for the reader. [us: W OS 223-02] KS: What are your plans for the future? Carl: The future? Well, I really will retire sometime, sit around and do nothing, but I don't know...that will be a while yet. Two books are going to appear soon about me. One will be published by Gary Kurtz, and contain twelve Scrooge stories. [Walt Disney's Uncle Scrooge McDuck, Celestial Arts Press, 1981] Gar?: The other will contain about 120 of his oil paintings, those showing Disney figures. The editor will be Russ Cochran. [The Fine Art of Walt Disney's Donald Duck, Another Rainbow, 1982] KS: What about the Waterfowl series? Carl: I will continue to make them. At present I have drawn about 50 little paintings with watercolors, 4 large ones in oils, and few more in the Kings and Queens series, all in all about 60 works without Disney figures. I began them in 1976. KS: How long did you take for one of your duck paintings? Carl: Between 10 days and 3 weeks, depending on size of course. I can't paint very fast; there are just too many details to be carried out. Just think of the money-bin with all those coins - a lot of work! KS: You are now printing lithographs of some of your paintings? Carl: In limited editions, but not of the Disney paintings. So far there have appeared "Xerxes and Harem", then "King Beowulf", and then I plan a painting with a wild-west theme. The prints are always limited and signed. It's difficult - if I print only a few copies, a lot of people are disappointed because single prints are too expensive; if I print a lot of copies, then others are disappointed who are concerned with the appreciation in value. In any case, I will not print more than 300 copies. "Xerxes" was printed in an edition of 250, and the demand was so great that "King Beowulf" had to be 300. KS: What do you feel when you hear that at an auction, for example, one of your Disney paintings is sold for 10 times the price which you originally asked for it - do you regret letting the paintings go so cheaply then? Gar?: Much more than 10 times, sometimes! Carl sold them originally for $150 to $250, and today they go for $20,000 to $40,000. Carl: That doesn't matter to me - why shouldn't people make a little business? Look, if people didn't over-pay for my Disney paintings today, I'd never be able to sell my prints. KS: Why did Disney take away the permission to do further duck paintings in 1976? Were you very disappointed? Carl: The fans were much more disappointed that I was. KS: Did you find Disney's decision then right? Carl: Of course. Gar?: Disney had good reasons for it. At that time, about eight other artists were retiring from the comic business, and if they had left Carl with the permission they would have had to given it to the others as well. And then there was something else; somebody or other had made an illegal reproduction of one of Carl's paintings and sold it, and that was too much for Disney, because that would have kept on happening. KS: Floyd Gottfredson has just been redrawing some scenes out of old Mickey Mouse strips in watercolors - why did he get permission? Gar?: He has the permission to paint, but not sell. Floyd draws them for a private party in Hollywood, who is also not allowed to reproduce them. KS: Another question about the stories you wrote not for Disney, but for other companies, like Andy Panda, Porky Pig, or Barney Bear and Benny Burro. How did those stories come about? Carl: That was during the war then, and most of the artists were off in the Pacific someplace, except me. The editors asked me to do those non-Disneys. I drew them together with the Donald Duck stories. KS: The similarity between Barney and the early Donald is amazing. Carl: Yes, and later people used to say to me that I could go ahead and draw the stories over again, but using Donald. It's not that easy though. Barney does have hands and can do some things that Donald could also do, but he was somewhat too dumb to do them; Benny on the other hand, was smarter, but had hoofs and was therefore very limited in his range of activity. But it is certainly true that there are some similarities in plot development. KS: But for Donald Duck you did use some gags or storylines more than once? Carl: Toward the end, it got more and more difficult to come up with good stories, and when my editor then said I should redraw some of the old stories, I agreed. The stories were, after all, twelve or I don't know how many years old - nobody was expected to remember them, to have saved the old magazines. Why not? I did make some changes, however. Gar?: Nobody counted on collectors saving their old comics. KS: And what was the story behind your single Mickey Mouse comic, "The Riddle Of The Red Hat"? [us: W OS 79-01] Carl: I believe someone sent me a synopsis of the plot from the studio. The whole thing didn't match my style? KS: And why didn't you draw any more stories with Mickey? Carl: Well, they normally had enough artists for him; this time was an exception. But, as I said, it was war-time, and I had to fill in. KS: I ask because, besides Floyd Gottfredson, there are hardly any outstanding Mickey Mouse artists left. Could you have gotten to be friends with the mouse? There are artists who claim that Mickey is much more difficult to draw that Donald. Carl: Not for me, and I think I could have drawn Mickey quite well. Mickey was simple; the one I couldn't draw was Bugs Bunny. In one story, for example, in which I drew Porky Pig, Carl Buettner had to correct every single panel in which Bugs appeared. [us: W OS 44-??] KS: One last question: in the late 40s and early 50s, you only drew a few stories in which real humans occurred, such as for example the spy story "Dangerous Disguise" [us: W OS 308-02] or "In Old California" [us: W OS 328-02]. Why were these characters not continued? Carl: That was an order from Western, saying that they disturbed the imagination of the reader. They had those little black noses, but were otherwise real people and not funny animals anymore. I didn't have any particular reason for them, and the characters were just intended as a change. I was tired of funny animals; but as I said, Western told me: once, and never again! KS: Thank you both very much for this interview! From ggk at wp.pl Sat Sep 20 13:24:39 2003 From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 13:24:39 +0200 Subject: whos the best? References: Message-ID: <003101c37f69$c7b5a610$e916fea9@z0m3c8> > God? I'll be grateful if you admit me to your Church :-) I will open a *New* Duck Religon (sect) straing : Carl Barks as the main God, Donald Duck as The god of crazzy and Funny adventures, Daisy Duck as the god of love and Womans, Scrooge Mcduck as the god of Money and hard work, HD&L as the god's of kids and animals Gyro as the god of Invetions Gladston as the God of Good Luck and Glomgold Magica and The Beagle Boys as god's of Evil (they will roul Hell in my realigon) :-))))) But seriosle I men't *Good* but by I fogot to rith one more "O" ;-) From bangfish at comcast.net Sat Sep 20 16:29:18 2003 From: bangfish at comcast.net (Gary Leach) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 10:29:18 -0400 Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 7, Issue 39 In-Reply-To: <200309200431.h8K4VGe1030490@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: Derek wrote: > The sales for August have come in. Not sure what to make of them. > While they > don't make up all sales or reorders, there does seem a perceptible > decline in > sales each month. > > 195. Uncle Scrooge #321 6,488 > > 203. Walt Disney's Comics and Stories #636 5,929 First of all, these figures are cited as estimates, which is all well and good, but I can say definitively that they are low. Moreover, based on the order levels Diamond actually received, US #321 and WDCS #636 sold better by a fair margin than US #320 and WDCS #636 - though slightly down from the figures for US #319 and WDCS #634. In short, the prestige books are doing nicely...not that we don't want them to do better. As for DDA #1, it did very well in the direct market. Better than we expected. The bookstore market has been hesitant, though, and getting into the Wal-Marts and the like has proven to be a complicated business. No question more work lies ahead in those areas. Gary From ault at nersp.nerdc.ufl.edu Sat Sep 20 17:17:03 2003 From: ault at nersp.nerdc.ufl.edu (Donald D. Ault) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 11:17:03 -0400 Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 7, Issue 40 References: <200309201001.h8KA0me1006276@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <001401c37f8a$3fbb26b0$dbbde380@ault> > I have a question about the following: > > Ault, Donald: Ducks in Perspective - The Comic Vision of Carl Barks' Disney > Comics published by University of Mississippi Press; 2000. > A very intellectual study of Carl Barks' work. Probably worth a good look > considering the repute of the author > ---------- > I found this on a Disney books website. It was in the future books section, > but the wording makes it seem as if the book was already published. Has it > been? I haven't really seen it anywhere except this mention of it on the website. > Considering how well done the CB Conversations book was, I'd be interesting in > reading this book as well. > http://pizarro.net/didier/_private/tocome.htm > > Derek Smith Donald Ault's response: The book is still in progress (it has been for too many years!), but a preview section of it has been completed and is about to appear in COMIC ART #4. A glimpse of the first two pages of my "Visionary Synchronicities in Carl Barks Comics" can be found at: http://www.comicartmagazine.com/4d.html It addresses issues of the narrative metaphysics of "coincidence," "luck" and "the Barks multiverse"(a term Barks authorized in 1999 to describe the fluid mobility of his settings [such as Duckburg] and the revisable history of his characters) in relation to the V-2 rocket story from WDC #81 (June 1947), "The Magic Hourglass," the escalation and disruption of the role of "the first dime," "The Golden Nugget Boat," "Lost Beneath the Sea," and several other stories. It also contains a discussion of Barks's statements about his "intentions" and the relation between karmic coincidence and things "falling into place" in Barks's creative process and the way things show up in his narrative worlds. It also contains analysis of several substantive extracts from a new English translation (by University of Florida professor John Van Hook, on which I'm collaborating) of the 1974 Introduzione a Paperino: la fenomenologia sociale nei fumetti di Carl Barks by Marovelli, Paolini, and Saccomano. All images in the "Synchronicities" essay have been scanned in high resolution from THE ORIGINAL PRINTINGS OF THE STORIES. The editor, M. Todd Hignite, is a purist in such matters, which I find refreshing in an era when computer manipulated color reprints seem to have become the only perceptual yardstick for the way comic book stories should look. A brief note regarding the Klaus Strzyz interview painstakingly typed and posted to the list by Mike Devery (mdevery at netspace.net.au). This interview appears in an edited form-"checked and revised by Klaus Strzyz, 2 May 2002"-on pages 109-119 of my Carl Barks: Conversations, and I'd like to note that this interview is currently under Strzyz's copyright, which was renewed from 1980 to 2003 by virtue of its book publication (2003) and revision (2002) by Strzyz. It took me considerable work (via this Disney mailing list and other resources) to track Klaus down and work out the translation details with him (since the original publication of the interview in English was a back-translation). I believe that the version Mike has posted is more COMPLETE than the one that appears in the book (because I had to cut it down for overall word count in the book), and I'm certainly not going to challenge anything about this copyright nor do I think Klaus would. It seems, however, that when a lot of people are willy-nilly appropriating and posting the intellectual property of others on the web without their permission and even selling the physical property of others on the web, it raises issues of copyright infringement and property rights. As a past victim of such appropriation myself-and I'm not referring specifically or by any means exclusively to Mike's efforts, which seem to me to have been an act of generosity with no intention of profit or malice and without any knowledge of the Carl Barks: Conversations publication-and having been constrained by "fair use" copyright restrictions in my own publications, I've become sensitized to such practices. Donald Ault Professor of English University of Florida ault at ufl.edu http://www.nwe.ufl.edu/~donault/ From sigvald at duckburg.dk Sun Sep 21 00:43:16 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 0:43:16 +0200 Subject: Don Rosa interviewed in Kentucky Alumni Message-ID: <200309202243.h8KMhGe2003024@webmail.dht.dk> Hi all! Don Rosa was interviewed in the last issue of the magazine of University of Kentucky (UK) - "Kenycky Alumni". Don Rosa is even on the cover of the magazine! You can see scans of the interview here: http://duckman.pettho.com/alumni1.jpg http://duckman.pettho.com/alumni2.jpg http://duckman.pettho.com/alumni3.jpg http://duckman.pettho.com/alumni4.jpg http://duckman.pettho.com/alumni5.jpg http://duckman.pettho.com/alumni6.jpg Sigvald From ericchun at hotmail.com Sun Sep 21 08:34:57 2003 From: ericchun at hotmail.com (Eric Chun) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 23:34:57 -0700 Subject: 1980 Barks interview Message-ID: Thanks for typing up the Duckburg Times inverview, Mike! Best, Eric _________________________________________________________________ Get McAfee virus scanning and cleaning of incoming attachments. Get Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From ksaarto at mbnet.fi Sun Sep 21 10:00:36 2003 From: ksaarto at mbnet.fi (Kai Saarto) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 11:00:36 +0300 Subject: Don Rosa interviewed in Kentucky Alumni In-Reply-To: <200309202243.h8KMhGe2003024@webmail.dht.dk> References: <200309202243.h8KMhGe2003024@webmail.dht.dk> Message-ID: <3F6D5AA4.8030200@mbnet.fi> Excellent! Thank you, Sigvald. I've been trying to get a copy of that article for some time. It seems that the cover page has some panels from the upcoming story: "A Letter from Home". -- - Kai Saarto http://www.go.to/donrosa From madame82 at hotmail.com Mon Sep 22 01:05:54 2003 From: madame82 at hotmail.com (Madame Jennifer Inantaz) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 18:05:54 -0500 Subject: Don Rosa's Kentucky interview~ Message-ID: Kai Saarto says: >It seems that the cover page has some panels from the upcoming story: "A >Letter from Home". Me: Oooh! I know! I saw that! *is happy* *dances* But we English speaking people have to wait until the first 'Crusaders' story is published here before 'A Letter from Home' is. *is sad now* I liked the article very much! o(^_^)o ---------------------------------------- To Mr..Rosa: Did you do the scripting for TaleSpin the animated series? (I saw that in the article) I *adored* that show because it was so much more 'real' than some of the other shows. Seeing the wonderful plots and character interactions I shouldn't be surprised. Me and my friend Derwin sometimes talk about the "good 'ol cartoons", when cartoons weren't made *just* for financial gain. OchaGirl~ Cheers _________________________________________________________________ Frustrated with dial-up? Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). https://broadband.msn.com From vazali at yahoo.com Mon Sep 22 02:48:45 2003 From: vazali at yahoo.com (Katie Sullivan) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 17:48:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Rosa alumni interview In-Reply-To: <200309211000.h8LA0ge2010878@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <20030922004845.43661.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for scanning that article, Sigvald! Very interesting! :) Kai Saarto wrote: > It seems that the cover page has some panels from the upcoming > story: "A > Letter from Home". I noticed that right away! :-D That's so cool! Katie Sullivan http://www.sullivanet.com/ (down but will be back soon) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From xephyr at cwnet.com Mon Sep 22 02:12:54 2003 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 00:12:54 +0000 Subject: Speaking of Oolated Squiggs (MICKEY MOUSE & FRIENDS #257).... Message-ID: <3F6E3E86.2050306@cwnet.com> I just picked up my copy of MICKEY MOUSE & FRIENDS #257 and the very first story mentions them by name (well, rather a "Squigg De-Oolater" that is!! LOL! If I had read this story before the discussion on the ML the reference would have flown right over my head. :-) Oddly, Mr. Gilles might be interested in this story as well since it relates to the Coot Clan and some new (I think) members of that side of the family (Clarence Coot, an elder inventor, Charlie Coot his greedy adult nephew, and Charlie's son Custer Coot who is about HDL's age.) While the story makes an inference to an ancestor founding "Duckburg," it doesn't come out and actually finish the claim since the speaker is cut-off in mid-sentence. Still, I'm willing to bet that's what Mr. Markstein was going to have Clarence say. The story was quite enjoyable, except I found it odd that Mickey claimed never to have seen a ghost before. I also enjoyed the references to Junkville and Bucky & June Bug! I have only read this first story "MM: Is this House Haunted?" (D 98293) and the April, May & June one pager "Fish Tale" (H 99274), but will finish the rest soon. BTW, the AMJ depicted here were the NEW "look" though only May was in her new appearance, April & June were wearing costumes. Thanks, Don! Rich Bellacera xephyr at cwnet.com From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Mon Sep 22 13:03:42 2003 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:03:42 +0200 Subject: Barks letter to Rosa Message-ID: <0DD8055E0FECF744B5FF8053F80C4A2DE75AD8@l07.oase.research.kpn.com> Don wrote: > Blum's stories based on Barks plots, and the use of Blackheart/Grandpa > Beagle: When Blum asked me for copies of some of my personal correspondence > with Barks, it was for use in a study he said he was making of Barks' > correspondence. I think the letter was published in one of the "Carl Barks Library of WDC in Color" albums, possibly number 44. --Harry. From olaf at andebyonline.com Mon Sep 22 13:45:48 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:45:48 +0200 Subject: Questions from Olaf In-Reply-To: <2948B136-E4BA-11D7-A7ED-000393C28E48@comcast.net> References: <2948B136-E4BA-11D7-A7ED-000393C28E48@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1064231148.3f6ee0ecaf4ab@imp.webhuset.no> I wrote: > > -- Another similar question: In Gemstone publications, Miss Typefast's > > name is changed to "Quackfaster" because that's her name in American. > > But when it was said a month or two ago that Horace Horsecollar and > > Clarabelle Cow lived in Duckburg, that was not changed to Mouseton > > (which I assume is their hometown in American). Why not? Gary answered: > Simple: we didn't catch that reference to Duckburg until the story had > gone to press. Ah... That's exactly what I wanted to know. For a moment there, I feared that Mickey had moved to Duckburg in American comics as a natural cause of Gemstone printing Egmont comics. So in the future, every reference to Duckburg in ECN- Mickey-stories (which you catch) will be changed to Mouseton? Good to know. Best, Olaf the Blue From dve at kabelfoon.nl Mon Sep 22 14:39:36 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:39:36 +0200 Subject: Barks letter to Rosa Message-ID: <20030922122249.D4496BE664@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> HARRY FLUKS to DON ROSA, 22-09-2003: >> When Blum asked me for copies of some of my personal correspondence >> with Barks, it was for use in a study he said he was making of Barks' >> correspondence. > I think the letter was published in one of the "Carl Barks Library > of WDC in Color" albums, possibly number 44. Maybe you're confused with Geoffrey Blum's article 'Raiders of the Lost Barks', published in Gladstone album 'Uncle $crooge Adventures - Isle of Golden Geese' No. 42, 1998. This article contains transcriptions of three letters from Carl Barks to Don Rosa: November 3, 1990 March 31, 1991 April 22, more or less [1991] Apart from some story ideas, these letters contain two 1990s family trees made by Barks for Rosa. A first version, and an updated version. This updated version was made after Rosa sent Barks a xerox of Barks's 1950s family tree. Only the first version is shown in Blum's article. As far as I know, the updated version is still unpublished. According to Blum's description, it contains the names of Old "Scotty" McDuck, and provides names for Grandma's children. There's at least one more letter from Barks to Rosa. A very small excerpt of that letter has been published in footnote 5 of 'The Carl Barks Library of Walt Disney's Donald Duck Adventures in Color' No. 22. The date of that letter is: October 21, 1988 So, in total, there are at least four letters from Barks to Rosa, including two new family trees. Information about letters from Rosa to Barks is unknown, though the Barks's letters sometimes hint at some of their contents. Some questions for Don Rosa: - Is my information correct? - Are there more Barks letters than the ones I've mentioned? - Is there more material than what I've mentioned? (Sketches, notes, etc.) - Do you still have all versions of Barks's 1990s family trees? And would you allow them to be published or xeroxed? - Do you still have copies of your own letters to Barks? --- Dani?l From vazali at yahoo.com Mon Sep 22 19:17:31 2003 From: vazali at yahoo.com (Katie Sullivan) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:17:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Slightly OT: TaleSpin episodes In-Reply-To: <200309221001.h8MA1Be2003237@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <20030922171731.64275.qmail@web41504.mail.yahoo.com> > From: "Madame Jennifer Inantaz" > To Mr..Rosa: > Did you do the scripting for TaleSpin the animated series? (I > saw that in the article) Not to jump in before Don has a chance to answer (at least in my digest subscription), but I know a few details about that, since TaleSpin is one of my favorite shows ever. ^_^ The two episodes in question are: -- "It Came From Beneath the Sea Duck" -- "I Only Have Ice For You" Both of which feature Don Karnage, my favorite character on the show, and in my top five favorite Disney characters of all time, so I pay close attention to these things. ^_^ If you watch those episodes you'll notice a few Barks-like elements, including: -- The phrase of disgust "Gosh all fish hooks" -- The idea of hiding valuables in something common of the same color. In "I Only Have Ice For You" Baloo hides rubies in strawberry jam. Then, later in the episode, Don Karnage is convinced there are diamonds in an iceberg(!!) Baloo is delivering. (There aren't, much to Karnage's chagrin.) Scrooge, of course, uses this trick in the Barks story about the corn in the gold and the nephew's trained rats thwarting the Beagle Boys. (I'm terrible at remembering titles of Barks stories; my apologies.) -- Lots of hilarious puns and funny names, including the name of a wealthy Arab prince: Neverhas bin Broke (not sure of the spelling on that, but you get the idea) Just my two cents on the matter. :) Katie Sullivan http://www.sullivanet.com/ (still down but back soon) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From sigvald at duckburg.dk Tue Sep 23 01:48:36 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 1:48:36 +0200 Subject: Coornhoot and Pluckahontas Message-ID: <200309222348.h8MNma7H009789@webmail.dht.dk> Hi all! In the comments to his huge Duck Family Tree: http://goofy313g.free.fr/calisota_online/trees/myducktreebig.html our French friend Gilles Maurice mentiones that there is a real statue of Cornelius Coot in Disneyland, Florida, but there he is called Cornelius Cornhoot - not Coot, that's IMO a big shame and a perfect evidence for the total lack of respect for Barks and his work, that is frequently shown by Disney Co. and many, many others. You can bet that if there is any statues in the French Asterix park - they will be named correctly in accordance with the names used used by Goscinny and Uderzo. However this was not what I had planed to write about. Gilles also says that Cornelius' "wife" - Clinton Coot's mother is called "Pluckahontas". Do anyone know if that's a name Gilles has invented all by himself or if it has actually been published somewhere? Sigvald From dve at kabelfoon.nl Tue Sep 23 02:21:55 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 02:21:55 +0200 Subject: Original/rare Barks material Message-ID: <20030923000510.13A77BE645@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> ALEX NIELSEN, 15-09-2003: > Im trying to log the unique/original art sold at ebay + a few other sites. > Unfortunately its very time consuming, so I might miss a lot of them. > Furthermore, I try to narrow it down to the oil painting/lithograph > preliminaries and such items. Im also listing them on my website > [http://www.carlbarks.ws], while only 2 items that sold are listed there > right now... I do have a few others comming up though ! > If you have any pointers of which sites to log, and mabe you would share > some of your records, to add to the site, you are quite welcome to contact > me. Here's a list of the sites I know. I haven't visited them for a long time, though. http://www.carlbarksshop.de http://www.cels-galerie.de/carl_barks/ http://www.comicoriginalart.com http://www.dreidreizehn.de http://www.ebay.com http://www.JLComicArt.de Do you know these sites? And do you know any other sites? I'm *very* much interested in sharing information and files. With you and with others. It will take some time before I get around to it, though. --- Dani?l From dve at kabelfoon.nl Tue Sep 23 02:36:49 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 02:36:49 +0200 Subject: AW: The origin of Uncle Scrooge Message-ID: <20030923002002.612EC19FA81@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> CORD WILJES to DAVID GERSTEIN, 19-09-2003: >> [Dani?l seems] to be suggesting that Carl Barks would have liked >> ownership of Scrooge for himself. Have you ever read anything >> about his actual opinions on the subject? > I understood Daniel's comment as an analogy: If Barks had wanted > to copyright Scrooge (which he did not and could not due to his > contract with Western and the similarity to the Disney ducks in > general) he would have run into the problem that a character > already existed which was _very_ similar to his Scrooge McDuck, > namely the duck from Disney's "Spirit of 43s". Yes, Cord, this is what I meant. By the way: Barks has drawn a rich uncle before he created Scrooge, in the (very funny) Barney Bear and Benny Burro story about ferocious uncle Grizzly (OG 33). It was accepted on 18 November 1946. Barks was paid for art and rewriting of script. Scrooge's debut 'Christmas on Bear Mountain' (OS 178) was accepted on 22 July 1947. --- Dani?l "My heart is sputtering like a popcorn machine! Get me to BED! Gasp! Gasp!" (Which Barks story?) From dve at kabelfoon.nl Tue Sep 23 02:49:38 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 02:49:38 +0200 Subject: P.S. (Re: AW: The origin of Uncle Scrooge) Message-ID: <20030923003258.8ED08BE650@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> In my previous email, I quoted David's misunderstanding wrong. It should have been this way: "You [Dani?l] seem to be suggesting that Carl Barks would have liked ownership of Scrooge for himself. Have you ever read anything about his [Barks's] actual opinions on the subject?" Read my previous email for my reply. --- Dani?l "My heart is sputtering like a popcorn machine! Get me to BED! Gasp! Gasp!" (Which Barks story?) From shadz at email.com Tue Sep 23 02:41:57 2003 From: shadz at email.com (Shad Z.) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:41:57 -0700 Subject: Who is this Wolf character? Message-ID: <20030923004157.29357.qmail@email.com> Can anyone name this character, who I presume has appeared in Li'l Bad Wolf stories in France? http://www.pinpics.com/cgi-bin/pin.cgi?pin=25194 Thanks in advance! -- Shad Z. ^Q^ http://shadz.homestead.com/files/ HONK TO SEE PUPPIES Sign along US 287, Loveland CO -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup CareerBuilder.com has over 400,000 jobs. Be smarter about your job search http://corp.mail.com/careers From dve at kabelfoon.nl Tue Sep 23 03:08:47 2003 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 03:08:47 +0200 Subject: Favourite disney artist Message-ID: <20030923005159.A69B3BE6EC@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> JOSEF THORNBERG, 19-09-2003: > I noticed that some people semed to get uppset by my letter > "whos best",i didnt want to say that anyone of those is bad, > i just wandered whos YOUR favorite disney artist,maybe i said > it in a wrong way, My most favourite Disney artist is Carl Barks. What I like the most about him, is that he created a parody/model of real life by using archetypes and common sitautions. Wealth, luck, love, struggling, responsibility, guilt, unfairness, etc. etc. That makes his stories not only amusing, but also helpful in trying to comprehend real life and real people. Here is one of my favourite Barks quotes. I think it perfectly describes my main reason for liking Barks's world and stories so much: "The thing that is most important about my comics is this: I told it like it is. I told the kids that the bad guys have a little bit of good in them, and the good guys have a lot of bad in them, and that you just couldn't depend on anything much, that nothing was going to always turn out roses. In fact I laid it right on the line that there was no difference between my comic characters and the life these kids - the readers - were going to have to face. So when Donald had some adventures, and he got buffeted around, I tried to put it over in a way that the kids - the readers - could see, well, that could happen to them. It was the way life goes. I just didn't disguise anything or make things look rosy." Source: Donald Ault - Carl Barks Conversations, page 44 (Interview with Barks by Donald Ault, 29 May 1973.) I could go on for hours, explaining reasons why Barks is my most favourite Disney artist. This email is just a short version. I have to force myself to stop here. Otherwise, I'll end up writing the longest DCML-email ever. :-) What is your favourite artist, Josef? --- Dani?l From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Tue Sep 23 09:11:22 2003 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:11:22 +0200 Subject: Cornhoot Message-ID: <0DD8055E0FECF744B5FF8053F80C4A2DE75ADC@l07.oase.research.kpn.com> Sigvald wrote: > [..] friend [..] a big shame [..] a perfect evidence for [..] > total lack of respect [..] and many, many others. > You can bet that [..] Ah, I *almost* started to miss these Sigvald writings. 8-) > http://goofy313g.free.fr/calisota_online/trees/myducktreebig.html > Gilles Maurice mentions that there is a real statue of > Cornelius Coot in Disneyland, Florida, but there he is > called Cornelius Cornhoot - not Coot I've been in Walt Disney World, Florida, and I stood in front of the statue and took a picture of it. As far as I remember, the text on the statue mentions Cornelius Coot, as it should be. Is Gilles wrong, or do I misremember? --Harry. From xephyr at cwnet.com Tue Sep 23 02:24:06 2003 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 00:24:06 +0000 Subject: Who is this Wolf character? Message-ID: <3F6F92A6.8040002@cwnet.com> That's "Meana Wolf." She does indeed appear in French Wolf stories, but she originated in a USA story http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?W+MM+90-04 She was a tough little tomboy who was raised with three brothers and was probably tougher than they were. Zeke thought it would be a good idea to introduce her to Li'l Bad in hopes that she would have some influence on him and make him tougher. Unfortunately the plan backfired and she, instead, became "nice." Her father then showed Zeke what he thought of him making a sissy out of his little girl! Since then Li'l Bad and Meana have been very good friends. -Rich Bellacera xephyr at cwnet.com From shadz at email.com Tue Sep 23 09:58:53 2003 From: shadz at email.com (Shad Z.) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 00:58:53 -0700 Subject: Slightly OT: TaleSpin episodes Message-ID: <20030923075853.15566.qmail@email.com> From: Katie Sullivan > > > From: "Madame Jennifer Inantaz" > > To Mr..Rosa: > > Did you do the scripting for TaleSpin the animated series? (I > > saw that in the article) > > > Not to jump in before Don has a chance to answer (at least in my > digest subscription), but I know a few details about that, since > TaleSpin is one of my favorite shows ever. ^_^ > > The two episodes in question are: > -- "It Came From Beneath the Sea Duck" > -- "I Only Have Ice For You" > > Both of which feature Don Karnage, my favorite character on the > show, and in my top five favorite Disney characters of all time, > so I pay close attention to these things. ^_^ > > If you watch those episodes you'll notice a few Barks-like > elements, including: > > -- The phrase of disgust "Gosh all fish hooks" > -- The idea of hiding valuables in something common of the same > color. In "I Only Have Ice For You" Baloo hides rubies in > strawberry jam. Then, later in the episode, Don Karnage is > convinced there are diamonds in an iceberg(!!) Baloo is > delivering. (There aren't, much to Karnage's chagrin.) > Scrooge, of course, uses this trick in the Barks story about the > corn in the gold and the nephew's trained rats thwarting the > Beagle Boys. (I'm terrible at remembering titles of Barks > stories; my apologies.) > -- Lots of hilarious puns and funny names, including the name of > a wealthy Arab prince: Neverhas bin Broke (not sure of the > spelling on that, but you get the idea) One of my favorite "Rosa-like elements" in one of the episodes (i don't remember which one) involves paying attention to simple (but often overlooked) rules of physics. Don Karnage's base of operations/main aircraft is a huge helocopter that big enough to capture and transport smaller aircraft. In the Rosa-written episode I'm remembering, the McGuffin that Karnage is after is a very heavy little plane. Every time he captures it, the helecopter has to adjust engines to keep from crashing, and every time the plane escapes, the helecopter has to adjust to keep from flying away uncontrolably. That may seem kind of obvious, but the plane keeps on getting captured and escaping, and the whole thing becomes a running joke that builds and builds... Well, it seemd very "Rosa-esque" to me -- Shad Z. ^Q^ http://shadz.homestead.com/files/ HONK TO SEE PUPPIES Sign along US 287, Loveland CO -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup CareerBuilder.com has over 400,000 jobs. Be smarter about your job search http://corp.mail.com/careers From ramapith at mail.dk Tue Sep 23 11:23:11 2003 From: ramapith at mail.dk (David Gerstein) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:23:11 +0100 Subject: AW: The origin of Uncle Scrooge Message-ID: Hey Dani?l, > CORD WILJES to DAVID GERSTEIN, 19-09-2003: > >>> [Dani?l seems] to be suggesting that Carl Barks would have liked >>> ownership of Scrooge for himself. Have you ever read anything >>> about his actual opinions on the subject? > >> I understood Daniel's comment as an analogy: If Barks had wanted >> to copyright Scrooge (which he did not and could not due to his >> contract with Western and the similarity to the Disney ducks in >> general) he would have run into the problem that a character >> already existed which was _very_ similar to his Scrooge McDuck, >> namely the duck from Disney's "Spirit of 43s". > > Yes, Cord, this is what I meant. DAVID GERSTEIN to DANI?L EIJMEREN, 23-09-2003: Oops! Sorry! From shadz at email.com Tue Sep 23 10:19:40 2003 From: shadz at email.com (Shad Z.) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 01:19:40 -0700 Subject: Cornhoot Message-ID: <20030923081941.311.qmail@email.com> From: > > > http://goofy313g.free.fr/calisota_online/trees/myducktreebig.html > > Gilles Maurice mentions that there is a real statue of > > Cornelius Coot in Disneyland, Florida, but there he is > > called Cornelius Cornhoot - not Coot > > I've been in Walt Disney World, Florida, and I stood in front of > the statue and took a picture of it. As far as I remember, the > text on the statue mentions Cornelius Coot, as it should be. > Is Gilles wrong, or do I misremember? The Cornelius Coot statue in Toontown Fair (one of the lands in Magic Kingdom (one of the theme parks at Walt Disney World in Florida)) is one of my favoite things in Walt Disney World. It's unexpected to find something taken directly from the comic books (instead of a movie) and yet, there it is! It really the only reason to go to Toontown Fair (unless you have small children). And I'm pretty sure it is labeled Cornelius Coot. Of course, the sign by the statue talks of him as the founder of Toontown Fair (instead of the founder of Duckberg), but that's a reasonable adjustment to the setting... -- Shad Z. ^Q^ http://shadz.homestead.com/files/ HONK TO SEE PUPPIES Sign along US 287, Loveland CO -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup CareerBuilder.com has over 400,000 jobs. Be smarter about your job search http://corp.mail.com/careers From rocker_boy_1 at hotmail.com Tue Sep 23 11:15:02 2003 From: rocker_boy_1 at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?B?am9zZWYgdGj2cm5iZXJn?=) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:15:02 +0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: My favorite artist are too carl barks,other artists i like is don rosa,al taliaferro and william van horn _________________________________________________________________ Hitta r?tt p? n?tet med MSN S?k http://search.msn.se/ From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Tue Sep 23 11:35:04 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:35:04 +0200 Subject: Cornhoot References: <20030923081941.311.qmail@email.com> Message-ID: <001a01c381b5$f8138b80$31f0fdc1@computer> Hi everyone! Shad: >>> The Cornelius Coot statue in Toontown Fair (one of the >>> lands in Magic Kingdom (one of the theme parks at Walt >>> Disney World in Florida)) is one of my favoite things in >>> Walt Disney World. I don't know that part; of the park; it must have been added since I went in 1991. Or I skipped it. Anyway, I have finally found a picture of the statue: http://www.themeparks.com/library-06/wdw/toontown/ttfair03.htm The name on the banner is indeed "Cornelius Coot". And Coot is holding corn, as in his first appearance (MArch 1952), in Barks' WDC&S 138 ("Statuesque Spendthrifts", CBL of WDC&S iC album 20) ! Olivier From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Tue Sep 23 13:04:34 2003 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 13:04:34 +0200 Subject: Cornhoot Message-ID: <0DD8055E0FECF744B5FF8053F80C4A2DE75ADD@l07.oase.research.kpn.com> Olivier: > >>> The Cornelius Coot statue in Toontown Fair (one of the > >>> lands in Magic Kingdom (one of the theme parks at Walt > >>> Disney World in Florida)) is one of my favoite things in > >>> Walt Disney World. > > I don't know that part; of the park; it must have been added > since I went in 1991. Or I skipped it. > Anyway, I have finally found a picture of the statue: > http://www.themeparks.com/library-06/wdw/toontown/ttfair03.htm > The name on the banner is indeed "Cornelius Coot". Funny. When I was there in 1990, the statue looked different (and the place wasn't called "Toontown Fair" either). Coot was standing on a square basement, not on two pieces of corn. Probably they upgrade things now and then. I wonder if the streetname "Barks & Nash" still exists? In 1990, it was near the Coot statue. --Harry. From JTorci3511 at aol.com Tue Sep 23 16:18:24 2003 From: JTorci3511 at aol.com (JTorci3511@aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:18:24 EDT Subject: Rosa Tale Spin and Coot Statue. Message-ID: Everyone: I haven't seen it in MANY years, but didn't Rosa also have Tale Spin's Baloo say: GREAT FLAMING CAT WHISKERS!" -- another famous Barks quote, of course. The Coot statue was in Disney World's Toontown at least as far back as 1997. I have a famed picture of myself and my late son Joey standing in front of it. Wouldn't know if it's still there. Joe Torcivia. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030923/64af22c0/attachment.html From mas at nic.nu Tue Sep 23 20:11:24 2003 From: mas at nic.nu (mas) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:11:24 -0400 Subject: Cornelius Coot In-Reply-To: <200309230713.h8N7D8e1003488@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.1.20030923140919.03c9b858@mail.nic.nu> > > Gilles Maurice mentions that there is a real statue of > > Cornelius Coot in Disneyland, Florida, but there he is > > called Cornelius Cornhoot - not Coot > >I've been in Walt Disney World, Florida, and I stood in front of the >statue and took a picture of it. As far as I remember, the text on the >statue mentions Cornelius Coot, as it should be. >Is Gilles wrong, or do I misremember? I've been there as well, and took a picture as well. The text mentioned "Cornelius Coot" and he was in the pose right out of the comic book - Cornelius holding the (ear of corn? I don't quite remember) aloft. - Mark S. From shadz at email.com Tue Sep 23 20:28:22 2003 From: shadz at email.com (Shad Z.) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:28:22 -0700 Subject: Who is this Wolf character? Message-ID: <20030923182822.19840.qmail@email.com> From: Rich Bellacera > > That's "Meana Wolf." She does indeed appear in French Wolf stories, but > she originated in a USA story > http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?W+MM+90-04 Thank you! -- Shad Z. ^Q^ http://shadz.homestead.com/files/ HONK TO SEE PUPPIES Sign along US 287, Loveland CO -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup CareerBuilder.com has over 400,000 jobs. Be smarter about your job search http://corp.mail.com/careers From shadz at email.com Tue Sep 23 20:32:06 2003 From: shadz at email.com (Shad Z.) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:32:06 -0700 Subject: Cornhoot Message-ID: <20030923183206.22182.qmail@email.com> From: "Olivier" > > Shad: > > >>> The Cornelius Coot statue in Toontown Fair (one of the > >>> lands in Magic Kingdom (one of the theme parks at Walt > >>> Disney World in Florida)) is one of my favoite things in > >>> Walt Disney World. > > I don't know that part; of the park; it must have been added since I went > in 1991. Or I skipped it. Yes, Toontown Fair is newer than 1991 -- Shad Z. ^Q^ http://shadz.homestead.com/files/ HONK TO SEE PUPPIES Sign along US 287, Loveland CO -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup CareerBuilder.com has over 400,000 jobs. Be smarter about your job search http://corp.mail.com/careers From donrosa at iglou.com Tue Sep 23 21:09:36 2003 From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 15:09:36 -0400 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 43 In-Reply-To: <200309230714.h8N7EBe2003542@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: > From: "Daniel van Eijmeren" > Subject: Re: Barks letter to Rosa > Apart from some story ideas, these letters contain two 1990s family trees > made by Barks for Rosa. A first version, and an updated version. This > updated version was made after Rosa sent Barks a xerox of Barks's 1950s > family tree. Only the first version is shown in Blum's article. You cause me to go back through my stack of Barks correspondence and again recall how closely I was working with him while constructing my Family Tree and my Life of $crooge. I submitted all my ideas on both for his comments all the way up until at least episode 8 of the Lo$... that is the point at which I lost contact with him and started reading alleged quotes that he "hated" my $crooge biography... but you all know or should know the story and people behind that. It has been 12 years and I had forgotten that I had submitted all of my Tree diagrams and Lo$ outline to him, and then sent him advance copies of each episode, all of which he expressed general approval in his letters (though I think he always seemed naturally puzzled as to why I would want to tackle that sort of difficult and constraining project rather than simply telling all new stories). One thing he sent me was a hand-drawn Family Tree that seemed to indicate that he did not recall or have a copy of the Family Tree he created (for his private notes) in the 1950's, and which had long been circulated among us fans. Barks had probably given the original (as it's in his own handwriting) away to a fan years earlier, and that's why he no longer had a copy? This new Tree eliminated the unfortunate 1950's part where Gladstone is orphaned in a bit of black comedy that would never have been allowed into an actual comic (parents died of overeating at a free picnic), perhaps at my suggestion to help eradicate that bit, or, as I say, he had forgotten that earlier version. So I then sent him a copy of his 1950's Tree to show him his earlier notions. The revised Family Tree he then sent me was the same as the one you see in that album #42, only he eliminated Gus Goose and Grandma's second daughter from the Tree, and added "Old Scotty" McDuck and $crooge's two sisters back -- so this apparently acted as a reaffirmation of the 1950's Tree with the elimination of that aforementioned complication involving Gladstone. I followed his revised Tree, adding the other Barks relatives used over the years, and using an actual name for $crooge's father (as "Old Scotty" would obviously be a nickname). One extra element in my Tree that Mr. Barks did not like was the inclusion of Ludwig Von Drake, a character for whom he had a low regard for some reason. But it wasn't until Egmont informed me that LVD was "officially dead" that I had to eliminate him from the Tree... as always, it's the publisher, not the creator (neither me or the real guy), who has the last word. > Some questions for Don Rosa: > - Are there more Barks letters than the ones I've mentioned? > - Is there more material than what I've mentioned? (Sketches, notes, etc.) > - Do you still have all versions of Barks's 1990s family trees? And would > you allow them to be published or xeroxed? > - Do you still have copies of your own letters to Barks? There are many more letters from Barks to Rosa and Rosa to Barks during 1975-1998 and I have copies of them all, but if I can help it, no one will ever see them. I think it's the world of too-easily-shared e-mail and the activities of some very foul blots that made me realize how private and sacred personal correspondence is!!! I would NEVER have shared Barks' letters with anyone but Blum since he and he alone was the writer on Barks matters for Another Rainbow... it seemed okay... but now I even feel that was wrong. I never knew he would later submit this private correspondence for publication .... and he may have requested permission later, and if I agreed it was before I would later realize, as I say, how WRONG this is. I mean, you can imagine how... "soiled" I feel knowing that all my correspondence to and from Barks, not to mention all of the correspondence to and from him to everyone else, ever, has been violated by certain parties and possibly even stolen for all we know. Apparently other private papers and photos are now showing up on eBay. Violating private correspondence is a very dirty business. But the specific item you desire to see can be imagined easily enough -- the second revised Tree that Barks sent me was a xerox of the first new one he'd sent, only with "Old Scotty", Matilda and Hortense penciled in on one side, and Gus Goose and his mother scratched off the other. There were no names for Grandma's children added... I obtained/interpolated those from old Barks stories involving relatives which we fans all knew. > > From: "Madame Jennifer Inantaz" > > To Mr..Rosa: > > Did you do the scripting for TaleSpin the animated series? (I > > saw that in the article) Katie answered this very well. I can add that I took this job when I was morally forced to quit working for Gladstone when Disney told them to no longer return artwork to the artists who owned it. But I had already liquidated my construction company and had no other work. Disney Animation had wanted me to do something for "DuckTales" when that was in production, but by 1989 it was "TailSpin" that was underway. I went to Hollywood and had some meetings with the Studio folks and returned home to write those episodes that Katie mentions. One thing that she couldn't know, however, was that those two episodes were the FIRST episodes written and filmed/made, at least that's what I was told. The series went on the air when many more had been completed, and my two shows were added into the body of completed shows. The head writers created the 5-part "origin episode" of the series well into the series' production -- I guess by then they had a much clearer idea of where the storylines were going and how the characters would be developing, so they could "create" them after they already had many adventures in-the-can. I quit that screenwriting job as soon as I found out that I could work for Egmont rather than Gladstone (who had been put outta business by Disney by then, anyway). But it always struck me as funny that there are so many people who want so much and study so hard to break into writing/drawing comics *or* screenwriting... and I accidentally stumbled into both jobs without ever having had the intention of doing either one for a living... doesn't seem quite fair. From mas at nic.nu Tue Sep 23 22:03:56 2003 From: mas at nic.nu (mas) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:03:56 -0400 Subject: Looking for a story title In-Reply-To: <200309221001.h8MA1Be1003237@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.1.20030923155814.02e74118@mail.nic.nu> Hi guys 'n gals, I'm hoping someone here can help me out. I remember once reading a duck story where $crooge had so much money coming in, that he had to build a new, larger money bin. This new money bin was so huge that it started to develop weather patterns inside. Wind, clouds, etc. The money itself started to move in waves, like an ocean, and $crooge had to use a sailboat to travel across the money in the bin. Does anyone remember the name of this adventure? Many thanks, - Mark S. Olaf Oolong's Oolated Squiggs! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2952425192 From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Tue Sep 23 22:55:24 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:55:24 +0200 Subject: Looking for a story title References: <5.1.1.6.1.20030923155814.02e74118@mail.nic.nu> Message-ID: <002601c38215$02d5dc80$5621fdc1@computer> Mark: >>> I'm hoping someone here can help me out. I remember once reading a duck >>> story where $crooge had so much money coming in, that he had to build a >>> new, larger money bin. This new money bin was so huge that it started to >>> develop weather patterns inside. Wind, clouds, etc. The money itself >>> started to move in waves, like an ocean, and $crooge had to use a sailboat >>> to travel across the money in the bin. >>> Does anyone remember the name of this adventure? Yes. Olivier . Kidding :D It seems to be Marco Rota's "Zio Paperone e il deposito oceanico" (IT 215 A) / "The Money Ocean" (U$ 266 & U$ 267) Type the story code in the code field on http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/simp.php and it will tell you all about the magazines it was published in. From sigvald at duckburg.dk Tue Sep 23 23:19:28 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 23:19:28 +0200 Subject: SV: Re: Cornhoot Message-ID: <200309232119.h8NLJSUh013067@webmail.dht.dk> Olivier wrote: > Anyway, I have finally found a picture of > the statue: > http://www.themeparks.com/library-06/wdw/toontown/ttfair03.htm Statue? Compared to the original statue used in Don Rosa's stories this is just a little miniature - it would certainly have been much more impressive if it had been a full size copy. > The name on the banner is indeed "Cornelius > Coot". Well, that's good! I just wonder where Gilles got his info from - I know him as a reliable source so this is a bit strange. Sigvald From olaf at andebyonline.com Tue Sep 23 23:43:49 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 23:43:49 +0200 Subject: SV: Re: Cornhoot In-Reply-To: <200309232119.h8NLJSUh013067@webmail.dht.dk> References: <200309232119.h8NLJSUh013067@webmail.dht.dk> Message-ID: <1064353429.3f70be956d602@imp.webhuset.no> Quoting "Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr." : > Statue? Compared to the original statue used in Don Rosa's stories this is > just a little miniature - it would certainly have been much more impressive > if it had been a full size copy. A slight correction: The Cornelius Coot statue was first used by Carl Barks, not Don Rosa, thus the "original statue" will be the one(s) from "Statuesque Spendthrifts". Also, keep in mind: 1. The original statues was built by the then two richest men in the world, and they were so expensive that the second-richest man in the world spent all his money building statues. And even though we all have put lots of money into the Disney corporation, I don't think they have a fortune even close to the wealth of the Maharaja of Howduyustan. 2. When Carl Barks or Don Rosa want to build an enormous statue, they can do that in... I don't know, maybe a few hours. And all it costs them is a few extra pennies in ink. To build something like that in real life... well, let's just say that both the expenses, the work needed, the time the building takes and the difficulty increases proportionally with the size of the statue. Naturally, I agree with you that a full size copy would be MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more impressive - but why see the negative side of everything? Personally, I was VERY positively surprised seeing that a Disney themepark actually *have* a Cornelius Coot-statue! And I would be so even if they *had* misspelled his name! Concidering that the Disney coorporation never cared much about comics, I see this as a tribute to the man who *was* Walt Disney to many of us - Carl Barks. So why mutter because the statue is not fifty meters high? I'm very pleased to see a Carl Barks background character honoured in this way in Walt Disney World, and don't see any reasons to use this occation for grumbling. Three cheers to Carl Barks, and three cheers to Cornelius Coot - they both founded Duckburg, and this statue (yes, I call it a statue despites its size) is a tribute to both of them. Olaf the Blue From donrosa at iglou.com Wed Sep 24 00:26:42 2003 From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 18:26:42 -0400 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 45 In-Reply-To: <200309232124.h8NLOWUj015590@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: > From: "Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr." > Subject: SV: Re: Cornhoot > Statue? Compared to the original statue used in Don Rosa's stories this is > just a little miniature - Um... I always thought the original statue was used in stories by that other guy. > it would certainly have been much more > impressive if it had been a full size copy. When you're right, you're right. It would have been much more impressive if they had built it in its full fifty story size. This only proves it's yet another example of their lack of respect! (There, see, I can write short messages, too!) From shadz at email.com Wed Sep 24 06:16:23 2003 From: shadz at email.com (Shad Z.) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 21:16:23 -0700 Subject: Cornhoot Message-ID: <20030924041623.29263.qmail@email.com> From: > > Olivier: > > > >>> The Cornelius Coot statue in Toontown Fair (one of the > > >>> lands in Magic Kingdom (one of the theme parks at Walt > > >>> Disney World in Florida)) is one of my favoite things in > > >>> Walt Disney World. > > > > I don't know that part; of the park; it must have been added > > since I went in 1991. Or I skipped it. > > Anyway, I have finally found a picture of the statue: > > http://www.themeparks.com/library-06/wdw/toontown/ttfair03.htm > > The name on the banner is indeed "Cornelius Coot". > > Funny. When I was there in 1990, the statue looked different (and > the place wasn't called "Toontown Fair" either). Coot was standing > on a square basement, not on two pieces of corn. OK, I just did some research. Toontown Fair (or to give it's full name, Mickey's Toontown Fair) was opened in 1996. Before then, that little corner of the Magic Kingdom was occupied by a land called Mickey's Starland. I suppose the Cornelius Coot statue was already in Starland, and was just moved and given a new base when Toontown Fair was built... > Probably they upgrade things now and then. > I wonder if the streetname "Barks & Nash" still exists? In 1990, > it was near the Coot statue. No, there is no street sign saying that anywhere now, unless I missed it somehow (I've spent a lot of time in Disney World this year...) -- Shad Z. ^Q^ http://shadz.homestead.com/files/ HONK TO SEE PUPPIES Sign along US 287, Loveland CO -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup CareerBuilder.com has over 400,000 jobs. Be smarter about your job search http://corp.mail.com/careers From mgrhode at yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 18:11:28 2003 From: mgrhode at yahoo.com (Mike Rhode) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 09:11:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Correspondence and history - replying to Don Rosa Message-ID: <20030924161128.76976.qmail@web21401.mail.yahoo.com> Don said: "There are many more letters from Barks to Rosa and Rosa to Barks during 1975-1998 and I have copies of them all, but if I can help it, no one will ever see them. " Don, as an archivist and historian, I've got to disagree with you on this one. You could deposit the correspondence with an archives such as OSU or MSU or even the Library of Congress w/ restrictions as to its use. The UKY article quoted you as saying that Barks was the greatest storyteller of the 20th century - is it fair to deprive future generations of the possibility of new insights into Barks' work? I know you're an extensive user of historical records yourself (my wife helped out w/ the Mexican revolution uniform photo), and you could make these letters be part of the historical record eventually. And the good thing about having the objects saved, and not just selected quotes, is that truth comes out easier. A good case in point is Frederic Wertham - his correspondence is at the Library of Congress and access is limited. Accordingly only one side of the Wertham story is told -- but I think my friend Bart Beaty's eventual book on him will present a more nuanced man who was a concerned humanitarian. Mike Rhode __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From mas at nic.nu Wed Sep 24 18:31:53 2003 From: mas at nic.nu (mas) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:31:53 -0400 Subject: The Money Ocean In-Reply-To: <200309232123.h8NLNYUi015559@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.1.20030924122656.03cadcf8@mail.nic.nu> At 11:23 PM 9/23/2003 +0200, Olivier wrote: > >>> Does anyone remember the name of this adventure? > >Yes. > Wak! >Kidding :D > >It seems to be Marco Rota's "Zio Paperone e il deposito oceanico" (IT 215 A) >/ "The Money Ocean" (U$ 266 & U$ 267) >Type the story code in the code field on >http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/simp.php and it will tell you all about the >magazines it was published in. Olivier, thanks very much for the help. I read this story way back when, and I've been trying to track it down for a while now. - M From cien2 at cbn.net.id Wed Sep 24 19:17:36 2003 From: cien2 at cbn.net.id (Arie Fachrisal) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 00:17:36 +0700 Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 7, Issue 46 References: <200309241002.h8OA2OUk011745@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <006801c382bf$c1bd9f20$83769eca@cien2> > > From: "Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr." > > it would certainly have been much more > > impressive if it had been a full size copy. Or maybe it's alerady at full copy size? But to the size of the ducklings, not us humans. Sez who the ducks have to be in our size :-D After all it's DUCKburg, not Humanburg ;-) Keep On De-lurking, Arie Fachrisal From cien2 at cbn.net.id Wed Sep 24 19:24:47 2003 From: cien2 at cbn.net.id (Arie Fachrisal) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 00:24:47 +0700 Subject: Santa Claus "variant" ?? References: <200309241002.h8OA2OUk011745@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <009601c382c0$c2fe8e20$83769eca@cien2> Hi, I've read several Disney Italian pocket stories and in some of the one-page strips, a character similar to Santa Claus can be found. The character is an old lady (flying with a broom?) and carry a sack full of gifts(?) just like Santa Claus. Is this an extra imaginary character created out of nowhere or actually a character made from references of other character from other myths/beliefs/stories/cultural icons? Thanks in advance for the answers. Keep On Quacking, Arie Fachrisal Barks Quiz: "Ho Maid Moonshine. Wherefore arts thou artst?" From vazali at yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 20:08:58 2003 From: vazali at yahoo.com (Katie Sullivan) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:08:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the statue In-Reply-To: <200309241001.h8OA1KUj011459@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <20030924180858.42607.qmail@web41503.mail.yahoo.com> I saw that Cornelius Coot statue when I was in Disney World in October of 1989, so it's been there at least that long. I have a picture of my nine-year-old self standing by it. I was so thrilled to see it! :-D I was also probably one of the few Americans who saw the employee in the Scrooge costume and wasn't surprised to see him in a red coat instead of the DuckTales blue. I bought a DuckTales T-shirt while I was there, though, which I wore until I outgrew it. *sigh* ;) I also bought a plush toy of one of the nephews, but since it was dressed in a rather odd magenta color that didn't match the classic red, blue and green, I named it Phooey in honor of the long-lost fourth nephew. LOL! Ah, the memories... The only other time I went to Disney World was in January of 1996, but I didn't get to the Magic Kingdom that time...just MGM and Epcot. :( Katie Sullivan http://www.sullivanet.com/ (should be back up either today or tomorrow) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From ksaarto at mbnet.fi Wed Sep 24 20:13:44 2003 From: ksaarto at mbnet.fi (Kai Saarto) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 21:13:44 +0300 Subject: Correspondence and history - replying to Don Rosa In-Reply-To: <20030924161128.76976.qmail@web21401.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030924161128.76976.qmail@web21401.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F71DED8.3070303@mbnet.fi> Mike Rhode wrote: >Don said: > > >"There are many more letters from Barks to Rosa and >Rosa to Barks during >1975-1998 and I have copies of them all, but if I can >help it, no one will >ever see them. " > >Don, as an archivist and historian, I've got to >disagree with you on this one. You could deposit the >correspondence with an archives such as OSU or MSU or >even the Library of Congress w/ restrictions as to its >use. The UKY article quoted you as saying that Barks >was the greatest storyteller of the 20th century - is >it fair to deprive future generations of the >possibility of new insights into Barks' work? > As a historian I can appreciate some of Mike?s comments. Still, private correspondence is *private*. Personally, I wouldn't want my personal e-mails all over the internet. When writing to someone in private I at least write just to that person and tell him/her things that are meant *just* for him/her. I think what Don said about being "feeling soiled" is good description of how I too would feel if my personal letters were exposed to anyone who'd like to read them. Still, it would be great that *some* parts of the said correspondence between Barks and Rosa could be seen *someday*. Those that are not overly personal. Following rant in not for you Mike (this is not the same thing), this just reminded me of one of my pet peeves: Why do some people assume they have the right to know everything about every celebrity in the planet? I don't think personal diaries/letters of people like JFK, Marilyn Monroe or princess Di belong to anyone else but them. Its just plain wrong that someone *whole* life becomes public domain if he/she becames a public figure. Then again, I've always hated those celebrity gossip magazines. -- - Kai Saarto http://www.go.to/donrosa From mgrhode at yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 20:41:55 2003 From: mgrhode at yahoo.com (Mike Rhode) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:41:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Correspondence and history - replying to Don Rosa In-Reply-To: <3F71DED8.3070303@mbnet.fi> Message-ID: <20030924184155.37933.qmail@web21411.mail.yahoo.com> Kai, thank you for your thoughtful and measured response. I'll just respond to a few points to clarify my original comments although I think we're roughly in agreement. --- Kai Saarto wrote: > > As a historian I can appreciate some of Mike´s > comments. Still, private > correspondence is *private*. Personally, I wouldn't > want my personal > e-mails all over the internet. Yes, but when you're dead, presumably you won't care. :^) I'm not suggesting Don turn them over to someone for research or publishing now. Just consider it for the future. As much as I respect what Barks made with his life, it's interesting to read in Don Ault's book how much he had to struggle to get to that point. His reflections to people, not in published interviews but his private musings, would increase our understanding of the man especially in the early years before (as in Liberty Vallance) the legend became bigger than he was. Barks and all his heirs are dead nopw(is that correct btw?), and can't be hurt by anything now. > > Still, it would be great that *some* parts of the > said correspondence > between Barks and Rosa could be seen *someday*. > Those that are not > overly personal. Right. Plenty of correspondence is donated and sealed for a set period of time. It's pretty standard. I'm sure the UKy archives would be willing to advise Don if he was interested in this idea. > > Following rant in not for you Mike (this is not the > same thing), this > just reminded me of one of my pet peeves: > > Why do some people assume they have the right to > know everything about > every celebrity in the planet? I'm also not a big fan of the cult of celebrity that the mass media has brought to us, but I think since Pepys diaries are usually kept w/ an eye towards eventual use. Overall, I think that someone like say Robert Caro on LBJ can add to our understanding of a complex person through the paper record. The recent Truman diary 'discovery' by the National Archives was interesting - Truman apparently had a healthy dose of the unsurprising for the time anti-Jewish racism, but still supported the establishment of Israel -- a minor historial point perhaps, but an interesting one. Sorry for wandering off topic, but I feel very strongly that Barks is important enough that his correspondence should be preserved, just as LBJ or Churchill or Hemingway (partially in the Boston Kennedy library and partially in Cuba) deserved. I'm writing this unofficially, but anyone interested in seeing the type of material that I am responsible for (a small collection of its type) can go to http://www.nmhm.washingtondc.museum/collections/guide/gotis/gotis.html Mike __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From SRoweCanoe at aol.com Wed Sep 24 21:38:07 2003 From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe@aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:38:07 -0400 Subject: Correspondence and history - replying to Don Rosa Message-ID: <0DE74547.0068265C.0C38BCAA@aol.com> In a message dated 9/24/2003 2:41:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mgrhode at yahoo.com writes: > the legend became > bigger than he was. Barks and all his heirs are dead > nopw(is that correct btw?), Believe his children are still alive ---- certainly his grandchildren Steven Rowe SRoweCanoe at aol.com From olaf at andebyonline.com Wed Sep 24 23:40:17 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 23:40:17 +0200 Subject: Correspondence and... (OT) In-Reply-To: <3F71DED8.3070303@mbnet.fi> References: <20030924161128.76976.qmail@web21401.mail.yahoo.com> <3F71DED8.3070303@mbnet.fi> Message-ID: <1064439617.3f720f415c45b@imp.webhuset.no> Mike wrote: > Don, as an archivist and historian, I've got to... Kai wrote: > As a historian I can appreciate some of Mike?s comments... Geez, how many historians are there on the list now? :-) I have counted three (Mike, Kai and Sigvald). More? Olaf From SRoweCanoe at aol.com Thu Sep 25 00:18:55 2003 From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe@aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 18:18:55 EDT Subject: Correspondence and... (OT) Message-ID: In a message dated 9/24/2003 6:14:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, olaf at andebyonline.com writes: Geez, how many historians are there on the list now? :-) I have counted three (Mike, Kai and Sigvald). More? I have been paid money for historical articles about comics am i by defination a comics historian? steven rowe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030925/86d55442/attachment.html From sigvald at duckburg.dk Thu Sep 25 03:17:47 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 3:17:47 +0200 Subject: The Cornelius Coot Statue Message-ID: <200309250117.h8P1HlrU017349@webmail.dht.dk> Don Rosa wrote: >> Statue? Compared to the original statue used >> in Don Rosa's stories this is just a little >> miniature... > > Um... I always thought the original statue was > used in stories by that other guy. Oh, sorry for causing this misunderstanding. Barks actually showed many Cornelius Coot statues of various size, so in order to be more precise I pointed out only the single one of those, that you are using in your story... > It would certainly have been much more > impressive if it had been a full size copy. > > When you're right, you're right. It would have > been much more impressive if they had built it > in its full fifty story size. This only proves > it's yet another example of their lack of > respect! No, I wouldn't say that as long as Barks also showed small statues at about the same size as the Disney-one. Sigvald From ksaarto at mbnet.fi Thu Sep 25 06:56:48 2003 From: ksaarto at mbnet.fi (Kai Saarto) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 07:56:48 +0300 Subject: Correspondence and... (OT) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F727590.6020304@mbnet.fi> SRoweCanoe at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/24/2003 6:14:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > olaf at andebyonline.com writes: > > Geez, how many historians are there on the list now? :-) > > I have counted three (Mike, Kai and Sigvald). More? > My guess is that Carl Barks has inspired many of us in various ways. At least for me, his stories got me interested in history. Is the same true for the other historians in the group? How about his influence on other people's career/studying choiced? > I have been paid money for historical articles about comics > am i by defination a comics historian? Since there aren't that many trained historians doing history of comics, I'd count you in. Many of the best writers of the history the comics aren't trained historians. For example, my great idol, Donald Ault, is s professor of English, but I'd would count his work historical as well. -- - Kai Saarto http://www.go.to/donrosa From donrosa at iglou.com Thu Sep 25 07:54:11 2003 From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 01:54:11 -0400 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 47 In-Reply-To: <200309250122.h8P1MGUj029029@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: > From: Kai Saarto > Subject: Re: Correspondence and history - replying to Don Rosa > I think what Don said about being "feeling soiled" > is good description of how I too would feel if my personal letters were > exposed to anyone who'd like to read them. Oh, NO! That's not what I meant in that specific reference. I might feel ... "uncomfortable" if people were reading private messages that someone else had sent me, especially without first getting the permission from both me and the writer, which I can only assume Blum did from Barks. But I wouldn't feel "soiled" by people reading my mails as published in something like that Disney album... after all, the readers would be *comics fans*, people who are more important than editors, writers or artists. When I said I felt "soiled" it was because *all* of my private mail to and from Barks, messages that were very special to me, was exposed to *certain specific parties* without my knowledge or permission. That was one of the worst feelings in my gut I've ever had. > Still, it would be great that *some* parts of the said correspondence > between Barks and Rosa could be seen *someday*. Those that are not > overly personal. None of my correspondence with Barks was very personal. I don't think he understood really ardent fans like me, and I think we made him somewhat uneasy. And in subsequent years I finally had an object-lesson in that very feeling, which I never in my wildest dreams imagined would happen as it did. I am very happy to hear from fans who like my stories, naturally... but then I also hear from people who went on to study a particular subject in college and into a particular career, or even people who met and *got married* due to correspondence about my work or meeting at a function where they went to see me (I've heard of at least three such instances, who knows how many others there are?!), or that I've caused some other profound change in some reader's life. (The power of Barks' characters is INCREDIBLE.) And this sort of stuff rather bothers me as it perhaps bothered Barks. I only want to entertain people for a few minutes. I don't want to change their lives forever!!! That's a responsibility I'm not up to! > From: Mike Rhode > Subject: Re: Correspondence and history - replying to Don Rosa > Barks and all his heirs are dead > now, and can't be hurt by > anything now. Omigosh! Was there some sorta nuclear attack on the west coast?! I saw nothing on CNN! (Sorry, Mr. President -- I meant "nucular".) From marcobar at ds.unifi.it Thu Sep 25 09:48:44 2003 From: marcobar at ds.unifi.it (Marco Barlotti) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:48:44 +0200 Subject: that strange old lady bringing toys on a broomstick In-Reply-To: <200309250122.h8P1MGUk029029@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030925093335.01f10dd0@ds.unifi.it> At 00:24:47 25/09/2003 +0700, Arie Fachrisal wrote: >I've read several Disney Italian pocket stories and in some of the one-page >strips, a character similar to Santa Claus can be found. The character is an >old lady (flying with a broom?) and carry a sack full of gifts(?) just like >Santa Claus. > >Is this an extra imaginary character created out of nowhere or actually a >character made from references of other character from other >myths/beliefs/stories/cultural icons? You will be surprised to find out that the reference is to a Christian (maybe better: Christian Catholic) cultural icon. But it is a 100% Italian reference. In the Italian tradition, it was this old lady who would bring toys to children, just like the three kings brought gifts to the newly-born Jesus. The festivity which celebrates the gifts to Jesus being also the occasion to point out that Jesus came to save not only his people (the Jews) but everybody in the world, it is called "Epiphany" which means "showing out". A corruption of the word "Epiphany" was "Befany" and thereafter "Befana" which is the Italian traditional name for that old lady. Maybe still 70 years ago, parents would give their gifts to children not on Christmas but on Epiphany (which is shortly after, on January 6th). They would pretend that it was this old lady who brought them. Ah, and I almost forgot: the Befana puts her toys in STOCKINGS which hang down at the fireplace. Does that remind you of anything? And if you had been a bad boy, she would leave a piece of coal in your stocking instead of toys. To go back to Disney comics, I'll point out that in the early '50s of the previous century a few references in Disney comics to Santa Claus putting toys in the stockings were changed in the Italyian "Topolino" to this woman, Befana. Although the shadow you could see was that of a bearded man in a furry coat... When I was a little boy, I had my toys for Christmas, and it was Santa Claus who brought them. But I still had a visit from the Befana on January 6th, filling my stocking with chocolate and candies. She now is only in charge of sweets and candies, not toys; but even in this millennium she still visits a lot of homes on January 6th! >Thanks in advance for the answers. > >Keep On Quacking, >Arie Fachrisal > >Barks Quiz: >"Ho Maid Moonshine. Wherefore arts thou artst?" > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 5 >Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:08:58 -0700 (PDT) >From: Katie Sullivan >Subject: the statue >To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se >Message-ID: <20030924180858.42607.qmail at web41503.mail.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >I saw that Cornelius Coot statue when I was in Disney World in >October of 1989, so it's been there at least that long. I have >a picture of my nine-year-old self standing by it. I was so >thrilled to see it! :-D >I was also probably one of the few Americans who saw the >employee in the Scrooge costume and wasn't surprised to see him >in a red coat instead of the DuckTales blue. I bought a >DuckTales T-shirt while I was there, though, which I wore until >I outgrew it. *sigh* ;) >I also bought a plush toy of one of the nephews, but since it >was dressed in a rather odd magenta color that didn't match the >classic red, blue and green, I named it Phooey in honor of the >long-lost fourth nephew. LOL! Ah, the memories... > >The only other time I went to Disney World was in January of >1996, but I didn't get to the Magic Kingdom that time...just MGM >and Epcot. :( > > >Katie Sullivan >http://www.sullivanet.com/ (should be back up either today or tomorrow) > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > >------------------------------ > >Message: 6 >Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 21:13:44 +0300 >From: Kai Saarto >Subject: Re: Correspondence and history - replying to Don Rosa >To: Mike Rhode >Cc: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se >Message-ID: <3F71DED8.3070303 at mbnet.fi> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Mike Rhode wrote: > > >Don said: > > > > > >"There are many more letters from Barks to Rosa and > >Rosa to Barks during > >1975-1998 and I have copies of them all, but if I can > >help it, no one will > >ever see them. " > > > >Don, as an archivist and historian, I've got to > >disagree with you on this one. You could deposit the > >correspondence with an archives such as OSU or MSU or > >even the Library of Congress w/ restrictions as to its > >use. The UKY article quoted you as saying that Barks > >was the greatest storyteller of the 20th century - is > >it fair to deprive future generations of the > >possibility of new insights into Barks' work? > > >As a historian I can appreciate some of Mike?s comments. Still, private >correspondence is *private*. Personally, I wouldn't want my personal >e-mails all over the internet. When writing to someone in private I at >least write just to that person and tell him/her things that are meant >*just* for him/her. I think what Don said about being "feeling soiled" >is good description of how I too would feel if my personal letters were >exposed to anyone who'd like to read them. > >Still, it would be great that *some* parts of the said correspondence >between Barks and Rosa could be seen *someday*. Those that are not >overly personal. > >Following rant in not for you Mike (this is not the same thing), this >just reminded me of one of my pet peeves: > >Why do some people assume they have the right to know everything about >every celebrity in the planet? I don't think personal diaries/letters of >people like JFK, Marilyn Monroe or princess Di belong to anyone else but >them. Its just plain wrong that someone *whole* life becomes public >domain if he/she becames a public figure. > >Then again, I've always hated those celebrity gossip magazines. > >-- >- Kai Saarto >http://www.go.to/donrosa > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 7 >Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:41:55 -0700 (PDT) >From: Mike Rhode >Subject: Re: Correspondence and history - replying to Don Rosa >To: Kai Saarto >Cc: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se >Message-ID: <20030924184155.37933.qmail at web21411.mail.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >Kai, thank you for your thoughtful and measured >response. I'll just respond to a few points to >clarify my original comments although I think we're >roughly in agreement. > >--- Kai Saarto wrote: > > > > As a historian I can appreciate some of Mike?s > > comments. Still, private > > correspondence is *private*. Personally, I wouldn't > > want my personal > > e-mails all over the internet. > >Yes, but when you're dead, presumably you won't care. >:^) I'm not suggesting Don turn them over to someone >for research or publishing now. Just consider it for >the future. > >As much as I respect what Barks made with his life, >it's interesting to read in Don Ault's book how much >he had to struggle to get to that point. His >reflections to people, not in published interviews >but his private musings, would increase our >understanding of the man especially in the early years >before (as in Liberty Vallance) the legend became >bigger than he was. Barks and all his heirs are dead >nopw(is that correct btw?), and can't be hurt by >anything now. > > > > > Still, it would be great that *some* parts of the > > said correspondence > > between Barks and Rosa could be seen *someday*. > > Those that are not > > overly personal. > >Right. Plenty of correspondence is donated and sealed >for a set period of time. It's pretty standard. I'm >sure the UKy archives would be willing to advise Don >if he was interested in this idea. > > > > > Following rant in not for you Mike (this is not the > > same thing), this > > just reminded me of one of my pet peeves: > > > > Why do some people assume they have the right to > > know everything about > > every celebrity in the planet? > >I'm also not a big fan of the cult of celebrity that >the mass media has brought to us, but I think since >Pepys diaries are usually kept w/ an eye towards >eventual use. Overall, I think that someone like say >Robert Caro on LBJ can add to our understanding of a >complex person through the paper record. The recent >Truman diary 'discovery' by the National Archives was >interesting - Truman apparently had a healthy dose of >the unsurprising for the time anti-Jewish racism, but >still supported the establishment of Israel -- a minor >historial point perhaps, but an interesting one. > >Sorry for wandering off topic, but I feel very >strongly that Barks is important enough that his >correspondence should be preserved, just as LBJ or >Churchill or Hemingway (partially in the Boston >Kennedy library and partially in Cuba) deserved. > >I'm writing this unofficially, but anyone interested >in seeing the type of material that I am responsible >for (a small collection of its type) can go to >http://www.nmhm.washingtondc.museum/collections/guide/gotis/gotis.html > >Mike > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > >------------------------------ > >Message: 8 >Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:38:07 -0400 >From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com >Subject: Re: Correspondence and history - replying to Don Rosa >To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se >Cc: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se >Message-ID: <0DE74547.0068265C.0C38BCAA at aol.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >In a message dated 9/24/2003 2:41:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >mgrhode at yahoo.com writes: > > > the legend became > > bigger than he was. Barks and all his heirs are dead > > nopw(is that correct btw?), > > >Believe his children are still alive ---- > certainly his grandchildren >Steven Rowe >SRoweCanoe at aol.com > >------------------------------ > >Message: 9 >Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 23:40:17 +0200 >From: Olaf Solstrand >Subject: Re: Correspondence and... (OT) >To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se >Message-ID: <1064439617.3f720f415c45b at imp.webhuset.no> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >Mike wrote: > > Don, as an archivist and historian, I've got to... > >Kai wrote: > > As a historian I can appreciate some of Mike?s comments... > > > >Geez, how many historians are there on the list now? :-) > >I have counted three (Mike, Kai and Sigvald). More? > > > >Olaf > >------------------------------ > >Message: 10 >Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 18:18:55 EDT >From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com >Subject: Re: Correspondence and... (OT) >To: olaf at andebyonline.com, dcml at stp.ling.uu.se >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >In a message dated 9/24/2003 6:14:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >olaf at andebyonline.com writes: >Geez, how many historians are there on the list now? :-) > >I have counted three (Mike, Kai and Sigvald). More? >I have been paid money for historical articles about comics > am i by defination a comics historian? > >steven rowe >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: >http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030924/86d55442/attachment-0001.htm > >------------------------------ > >Message: 11 >Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 3:17:47 +0200 >From: "Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr." >Subject: The Cornelius Coot Statue >To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se >Message-ID: <200309250117.h8P1HlrU017349 at webmail.dht.dk> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; > >Don Rosa wrote: > > >> Statue? Compared to the original statue used > >> in Don Rosa's stories this is just a little > >> miniature... > > > > Um... I always thought the original statue was > > used in stories by that other guy. > >Oh, sorry for causing this misunderstanding. Barks actually showed many >Cornelius Coot statues of various size, so in order to be more precise I >pointed out only the single one of those, that you are using in your >story... > > > > It would certainly have been much more > > impressive if it had been a full size copy. > > > > When you're right, you're right. It would have > > been much more impressive if they had built it > > in its full fifty story size. This only proves > > it's yet another example of their lack of > > respect! > >No, I wouldn't say that as long as Barks also showed small statues at about >the same size as the Disney-one. > >Sigvald > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >dcml at stp.ling.uu.se - Disney Comics Mailing List >http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml > > >End of DCML Digest, Vol 7, Issue 47 >*********************************** From m_schartau at hotmail.com Thu Sep 25 10:36:27 2003 From: m_schartau at hotmail.com (Michael Schartau) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 10:36:27 +0200 Subject: that strange old lady bringing toys on a broomstick References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030925093335.01f10dd0@ds.unifi.it> Message-ID: Living in a dutch-swedish-american-italian jewish christian family and get presents on chanukka and the 6th, 24th, 25th of December + 6th of Januari would then be quite ultimate /Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marco Barlotti" < From lgiver at pacbell.net Thu Sep 25 10:56:43 2003 From: lgiver at pacbell.net (Larry Giver) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 01:56:43 -0700 Subject: Arie's Barks quiz Message-ID: <6.0.0.14.1.20030925011306.01ce5440@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Arie asked which Barks story this quote is from: "Ho Maid Moonshine. Wherefore arts thou artst?" It's from "Knightly Rivals", the first of Barks 2 storys of Donald and Gladstone competing for the starring role is a play Daisy's club is producing. WDC&S 128 (May 1951), page 3 panel 5. In my Gladstone reprint, Donald's line is "Ho Maid Moonshine! Wherefore artst you at?" I would think the Gladstone reprint has Barks' original English, and Arie's version differs because it's from a back-translation? Barks' second story is from WDC&S 217 (Oct. 1958). From theresaw at oso.chalmers.se Thu Sep 25 13:30:22 2003 From: theresaw at oso.chalmers.se (Theresa Wiegert) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 13:30:22 +0200 (CEST) Subject: OT-thoughts on responsibilities In-Reply-To: <200309251001.h8PA0uUk013856@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: Don Rosa: > of stuff rather bothers me as it perhaps bothered Barks. I only want to > entertain people for a few minutes. I don't want to change their lives > forever!!! That's a responsibility I'm not up to! Just got some thoughts about this... I think that it is a 'responsibility', or rather effect that every person has to be up to, merely by the fact that we do exist, and act. people get affected by other people. But you are never _responsible_ for a choice another person does. Everything he does is entirely his choice, no matter what, he acts on the circumstances in his life and he is the only one who can be responsible. When we do things that give effects to others (which is mostly everything we do, on some level), it's very nice if the effects are nice. And creating circumstances that lead to people meeting making friends, (even getting married) and so on can never be wrong. Start worrying when someone creates an evil cult in your honour that makes people do bad things to eachother. No, not even then, it's still their choice, really... But perhaps you then might want to see what in the world in your work can give that effect... Still - the greatest work someone can do, is to spread happiness, knowledge, and inspiration, creating circumstances people can act on, by own choice, to perhaps do the same. This can be done in small scale, or somewhat larger, but never feel bad about doing something that is right. I e what makes you happy... (blabla...) cheers! /T _ ('> ----------------------------------------------------------- / ) Theresa Wiegert theresaw at oso.chalmers.se / / Onsala Space Observatory work +46(0)31-7725522 //" SE-439 92 Onsala, Sweden mobile: 070-4831211 / www.oso.chalmers.se/~theresaw home: 031-811364 ----------------------------------------------------------- From marcobar at ds.unifi.it Thu Sep 25 13:41:09 2003 From: marcobar at ds.unifi.it (Marco Barlotti) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 13:41:09 +0200 Subject: Issue 47 inside Issue 48 :-( In-Reply-To: <200309251002.h8PA1jUk013900@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030925133928.01df9e70@ds.unifi.it> I humbly ask you all to forgive me for quoting (almost) the whole previous digest in my last e-mail. I always wondered how one can be so careless. Now I know :-( Marco http://www.cce.unifi.it/~comics From mgrhode at yahoo.com Thu Sep 25 14:56:43 2003 From: mgrhode at yahoo.com (Mike Rhode) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 05:56:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: reL Correspondence and... (OT) In-Reply-To: <200309251001.h8PA0uUj013856@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <20030925125643.48060.qmail@web21413.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for the correction about Barks' heirs, and I have no idea why I made that mistake in the first place. Another correction is that Don was looking for *Panamanian* soldiers' uniforms, not Mexican. Steve, I would definitely consider you a comics historian. Thanks for the response, Don. Your comments about entertainment were interesting. While I can understand your feelings about cartoonists changing people's lives, do you think Barks was purposefully being a bit disingenous? AFter all, he knew and worked for Walt Disney, possibly the most important cartoonist of the 20th century and saw firsthand that a cartoonist could affect people. Or did he see his work as subsumed to the Disney machine, and not really his? Mike __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com Thu Sep 25 15:47:19 2003 From: rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com (rodney-selfhelpbikeco@juno.com) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 13:47:19 GMT Subject: Availability of Gottfredson story Message-ID: <20030925.064811.529.506148@webmail19.nyc.untd.com> Just read The Mighty Whale Hunters story last night (by Gottfredson) and it leads into a story called The Plumber's Helper. Has this story been reprinted in the US anytime? I'm really interested in the continuing saga of Mickey losing his cash in a stock market crash. rodney (who has had several articles about radio history published. does this make me a broadcast historian?) ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From DGE at ECN.egmont.com Thu Sep 25 15:50:34 2003 From: DGE at ECN.egmont.com (Gerstein, David DK - ECN) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 15:50:34 +0200 Subject: Correspondence and... (OT) Message-ID: <9160C3BDF7D0CB43A73E11CCF133D21D0179A2F9@cphegtd1-xch01.egt.egmont.com> Hey Kai! >> Geez, how many historians are there on the list now? :-) >> >> I have counted three (Mike, Kai and Sigvald). More? Yep. I graduated in history as well and continue to be fascinated by it... >My guess is that Carl Barks has inspired many of us in various ways. At >least for me, his stories got me interested in history. Is the same true >for the other historians in the group? Well, I have always loved the work of Barks, but it was Floyd Gottfredson, my no-holds-barred favorite, whose work interested me most in history. Thanks to the 1920s and 1930s pop culture I discovered through Gottfredson's work, there was no question about what field of study I wanted to train in... David From M.J.Prior at let.rug.nl Thu Sep 25 16:03:29 2003 From: M.J.Prior at let.rug.nl (Michiel Prior) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 16:03:29 +0200 Subject: W.H.A.D.A.L.O.T.T.A.J.A.R.G.O.N. Message-ID: <3F7311D0.2563.14ED671@localhost> Hi everyone, Can somebody please help me out on the 'full title' behind this acronym? I only got as far as "When Huey and Dewey and Louie..." Thanks in advance, Michiel Prior. From BFOSTERLA at aol.com Thu Sep 25 17:36:13 2003 From: BFOSTERLA at aol.com (BFOSTERLA@aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:36:13 EDT Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 7, Issue 48 Message-ID: <177.205005ad.2ca4656d@aol.com> In a message dated 9/25/2003 3:06:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, dcml-request at stp.ling.uu.se writes: From: Kai Saarto Subject: Re: Correspondence and... > My guess is that Carl Barks has inspired many of us in various ways. At > least for me, his stories got me interested in history. Is the same true for the > other historians in the group? How about his influence on other people's > career/studying choices? Influences are like links in a chain and one's life and career is comprised of a bunch of links. I read comic books back in the late 40s but didn't meet Barks until 1965. But his comic book stories that I read back in the 40s surely had an influence on some part of my brain. I remember reading three comic books in particular: Batman, Superman and Walt Disney's Comics and Stories. I always identified with Donald Duck, and those stories have stayed with me all my life. By the early 50s I was pretty much a funny animal fan, adding Walt Kelly's Pogo and Kurtzman's Mad to my list of major influences. When I was a little kid I didn't know that Walt Disney didn't actually draw everything. In reality, that influence was actually Carl Barks. My early love of Disney comics and those characters led to a serious pursuit of art as a career, art school introduced me to new influences and friends, and that led to a career in animation, which led to an interest in writing, which led to a stint with Marvel's Crazy Magazine which was noticed by some people at Disney Studios which led to a job offer as a staff writer and artist at Disney Publications which eventually led to my position as Editor, Managing Editor and Art Director for Disney Comics where I edited Walt Disney's Comics and Stories in the post-Gladstone era (if 3 years can be considered an era.) So that earliest influence came full circle to the point of direct involvement with the thing that started me down that path back in the 40s. Of course along the way I got to know all the major players in the Disney comic book business, and still can't get over the fact that my childhood dreams became a reality and my childhood influences became colleagues. Mind boggling! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030925/5bd92094/attachment.html From ksaarto at mbnet.fi Thu Sep 25 18:53:16 2003 From: ksaarto at mbnet.fi (Kai Saarto) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 19:53:16 +0300 Subject: Correspondence and history - replying to Don Rosa In-Reply-To: <20030924184155.37933.qmail@web21411.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030924184155.37933.qmail@web21411.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F731D7C.8060307@mbnet.fi> Mike Rhode wrote: >Kai, thank you for your thoughtful and measured >response. I'll just respond to a few points to >clarify my original comments although I think we're >roughly in agreement. > Yes, we are. I too was thinking about the "post-mortem" sharing of the Barks-Rosa letters. Since I'd like Don to sticks around for another fifty year or so, I didn't bring the subject up... :-) >Right. Plenty of correspondence is donated and sealed >for a set period of time. It's pretty standard. I'm >sure the UKy archives would be willing to advise Don >if he was interested in this idea. > Yeah, probably. >I'm also not a big fan of the cult of celebrity that >the mass media has brought to us, but I think since >Pepys diaries are usually kept w/ an eye towards >eventual use. > Sure, many diaries are like that. Letters usually aren't. Still, IMO its perfectly okay and even appropriate to use this kind of material when it sheds light to some public/political event. I just can't see how the personal love letters or things like that could be seen as public domain, if the writers didn't intend it that way. I think archivists are doing an important job, and I wish I could find the time roam through one some day. Its great that some people donate things to archives. I wish Disney had donated all those lost originals somewhere instead of burning or dumping them (or whatever they did). Don Rosa wrote: >When I said I felt "soiled" it was because *all* of my private mail to and >from Barks, messages that were very special to me, was exposed to *certain >specific parties* without my knowledge or permission. That was one of the >worst feelings in my gut I've ever had. > Ah, yes. Sorry if it sounded like I distorted what you said. I merely stole the term "soiled" and used in my own context. Just sounded appropriate for how I'd feel if everyone could see my old love letters to mrs. :-) >(Sorry, Mr. President -- I meant "nucular".) > Somehow this reminds me of how you used to write about certain Bill Stanbury way back. I wonder how CK would have handled Mr. Bush junior. Theresa Wiegert wrote: >Still - the greatest work someone can do, is to spread >happiness, knowledge, and inspiration, creating circumstances people >can act on, by own choice, to perhaps do the same. This can be done in >small scale, or somewhat larger, but never feel bad about doing something >that is right. I e what makes you happy... > Once again, you wrote beautifully, Theresa. Everyone is responsible only for his/her own life (and family). -- - Kai Saarto http://www.go.to/donrosa From fernandopventura at uol.com.br Thu Sep 25 19:50:21 2003 From: fernandopventura at uol.com.br (Fernando Ventura) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:50:21 -0300 Subject: Oscar Martin! Message-ID: <006f01c3838d$85da27c0$8aa0fea9@usuario> Hi! :-) I'd like to get in touch with the (Spanish, I presume) Disney and Tom & Jerry's artist Oscar Martin! Someone has his snail-mail or e-mail? Fernando! From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com Fri Sep 26 11:24:49 2003 From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 05:24:49 EDT Subject: Some Technical Comments On US 322 Message-ID: <123.25e81ae7.2ca55fe1@aol.com> I'm not sure if technical is the right word, but I'm not commenting on the content of the stories themselves so I guess it'll do. One thing I've wondered is that on the 'In This Issue' page for the US and WDC comics you seemingly never see when a particularly story was originally published, what comic book/issue it was in. Unless it's a Carl Barks story. It's not a big deal or anything, but it seems like that would be a good thing to do, especially since I'm sure a lot of Disney comics fans don't necessarily know about Inducks. Plus it seems kind of 'unfair' for Carl Barks stories to have that info, but not all the other stories as well. One other thing about US 322 that was kind of funny and threw me off as I was looking through the book. Apparently the order of the stories listed on the "In This Issue" page was different from the actual layout of the book. As shown on "In This Issue" page: 1. "The Utter Limits" 2. "Dime and Dime Again Part 2" 3. "Everything Green" 4. "They Always Come Home" 5. "One Million Chase" 6. "Wispy Willie" 7. "Paper Chase" As I'm typing this I realize the book wasn't as out of order as I thought. Just that "Paper Chase" is the fourth story in the book instead of "They Always Come Home". Stories 4 through 6 come in order after "Paper Chase". I'll talk about the stories in a later post, but they were all pretty good to me. Only bad thing for me, the two Barks stories in this month's US and WDC are ones I already have in The Carl Barks Library Volume 8. I had been lucky so far before in that there was only one Barks story that was printed that I had read before. Derek Smith -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030926/0a1810a3/attachment.html From astrup_jensen at hotmail.com Fri Sep 26 15:04:13 2003 From: astrup_jensen at hotmail.com (Mads Jensen) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 15:04:13 +0200 Subject: US 322 References: <200309260928.h8Q9S1Uj006069@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: Hi I read the post about US 322, so I guess it's now ?! If then, why is it only WDC 637 that has its cover shown on www.gemstonepub.com ? Could anyone do a scan of US 322 please ? best, Mads -- Mads Jensen http://www.ddfr.dk Dansk Donaldist-Forening From kingofduckburg at hotmail.com Fri Sep 26 20:25:22 2003 From: kingofduckburg at hotmail.com (Matthew Williams) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 14:25:22 -0400 Subject: Magica / Glomgold / pig villain--EVIL? Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Url: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030926/06558fcd/attachment.pl From olaf at andebyonline.com Fri Sep 26 22:58:19 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 22:58:19 +0200 Subject: Evility (if that's even a word) Message-ID: <1064609899.3f74a86b7991c@imp.webhuset.no> Great e-mailaddress, Matthew! May I support Rich's request that you send your messages in plain text? (Hey, don't worry - everybody does errors in the beginning, and this is a tiny, tiny one.) Well, anyhow I actually managed to read it this time, so why not answer. Now, to the good, the bad and the evil. It may be a little black and white, but I've always thought of Glomgold as evil... His first story may not be a very good example of that, as Scrooge does after him practically everything he does, but in the second story (I assume that was "The Money Champ"?) I never had any doubt this was a bad, bad villain. As we saw: Scrooge ran honest competition, Glomgold used dirty tricks. Does this make him "evil"? Well, in the black-and- white world, it certainly does. At the same time, naturally, nobody is 100% good and nobody is 100% evil. But in the Safari story, I had no doubt. In that story, Scrooge was shown as the honest businessman trying to get from point A to point B - Glomgold throws bombs at him. I had no doubt. Scrooge was good, Glomgold was evil. Naturally, I'm what both Barks and Matthew would call a foreigner, so I may have a twisted view on the word "evil". What is evility? Again, if that's even a word? If being evil is what I think it is, Glomgold is evil. Olaf the Blue From jongraywb at hotmail.com Sat Sep 27 00:36:05 2003 From: jongraywb at hotmail.com (Jonathan H. Gray) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 17:36:05 -0500 Subject: Glomgold, Magica, Pig Villain--EVIL? Message-ID: heh. This is my first post as well so here goes nothing. I've never thought Glomgold was evil, BUT I've always thought that he was the "Anti-Scrooge" - meaning that whereas Scrooge would not resort to devious underhanded tricks (something he did once that haunted him the rest of his life with Foola Zoola), Glomgold would have no qualms about running people off thier land with guns or getting money by any underhanded trick in the book. If the Disney Comics were of a darker nature I probably think he'd even go so much as have soimebody killed just to keep his secrets or get more money. But luckily the Disney comics dont have to deal with that nasty aspect. ;) Evil is a very broad term thats thrown around WAAAAAAAAAAAAY too often to describe any villianous character. Probably the only person who'd come CLOSEST to that description would maybe be Magica DeSpell. I've always seen her as being the most malicious out of all the Duck villians primarily because her desperation would lead her to do ANYTHING to get her hands on the Number One Dime. As far as the Brutopian Spy/Random Pig Villian (Wasn't the primary pig villian given the name of McSwine in a few stories?), I see him more of a nuisance than anything else be it to Donald or Scrooge. His character has always been the "generic one shot villian" thats udes when the big two dont fit. I'd like to see his character developed more maybe or other villians broiught into the picture besides the Beagle Boys myself. I have to say I've grown rather fond of Don Rosa's Arpin Lusene though. :) Jonathan H. Gray The Dubba Dubba WB!!! Now With "Amazing College Graduate" Action! CNW & Time Trouble: My Daily Comic Strips - http://diversions.toonzone.net/chipandwalter The CKC Message Board - http://diversions.toonzone.net/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi Dub's Daily Journal - http://www.deadjournal.com/users/wb/ _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service FREE for one month. Limited time offer-- sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030927/ab812432/attachment.html From bangfish at comcast.net Sat Sep 27 01:29:31 2003 From: bangfish at comcast.net (Gary Leach) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 19:29:31 -0400 Subject: story info In-Reply-To: <200309260928.h8Q9S1Ui006069@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <47EE997B-F079-11D7-862B-000393C28E48@comcast.net> Derek: > One thing I've wondered is that on the 'In This Issue' page for the US > and > WDC comics you seemingly never see when a particularly story was > originally > published.... Unless it's a Carl Barks story. ...it seems kind of > 'unfair' for Carl Barks stories to have > that info, but not all the other stories as well. What we cite is a story's original publication in America, if any, irrespective of creator. Gary From jongraywb at hotmail.com Sat Sep 27 00:58:28 2003 From: jongraywb at hotmail.com (Jonathan H. Gray) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 17:58:28 -0500 Subject: DuckTales: Love It or Hate It? Message-ID: I've noticed that a lot of people - primarily the older hats that grew up solely on Barks dont tend to like Duck Tales because it changes several key elements - primarily no Donald Duck among getting a few other things wrong (Scrooge's mad dependence on the luck of the #1 Dime) but I cannot lie. I grew up on Duck Tales. Duck Tales was what introduced me to the world of Disney comics in generald and I had no earthly clue WHO Carl Barks, Don Rosa, or William Van Horn were until many years after it started. Being a 6-7 year old getting home in time to see the latest episode of Ducktales overruled EVERYTHING. ^__^ And I know MANY peers my age who don't even read Disney comics who will argue with you vehemently if you say that it wasnt one of the great cartoons of the 80's. Of course, after I DID discover Barks I thought that it suddenly put the whole thing into a lot more perspective. The adaptations of the Bark stories were vastly inferior upon comparison, but when Duck tales did a good job on an original set of stories it did a DARN GOOD JOB unlike most of the crap that we get from Disney cartoons today. I think that there are a LOT of people that will agree that they'd never have discovered the superior Barks world had they not seen the show. Going on a tangent that you stated - I have to admit that the one character that I miss TREMENDOUSLY would be Launchpad. Scrooge does not have someone who takes him on Flights in the comics and it would be interesting once in a while to see how the younger Launchpad (pre Darkwing Duck) would interact as a regular in the Barks universe WOULD someone be daring to give him a chance. The only person who tried this to some extent was William Van Horn in his early DT stories - minus Donald. I think the CRUCIAL reason Launchpad didnt work as well as a sidekick was primarily NO DONALD. Its kind of the equivalent of making Gyro Gearloose Scrooge's preimary assistant. It wouldnt work. I think that if someone had the courage to bring Launchpad into the Duck universe PROPERLY and make a "side charcter" much Gyro or Grandma Duck or Gus Goose or the Junior Woodchucks, etc etc instead of his PRIMARY sidekick (Donald's role) then he could provide a good character foil for Scrooge and the rest of the cast. He's a doofus, he means well, he cant fly worth beans, he's extremely cheap (^___^)and he could be the one who would fly Scrooge around on adventures. It makes sense. What doesnt is putting him in Donalds role and thats where IMO mistakes were made with him. On an off note, I always thought that the earlier episodes that had both Scrooge, Donald, and Launchpad in them were hilarious and some of the best of the lot. :) (Launchpad to Donald - "WHAT'D HE SAY?!?!?The interaction between the two or three characters at the same time was golden. And had that stayed in it would have been awesome. ^_^ I liked Gizmo Duck as well but I feel he worked best as a rival for Darkwing. As a guard for Scrooge's money bin it was ok, but when he was Fenton Crackshell - Scrooge's accountant and an even BIGGER Donald clone, thats where I felt he completely feel apart. I'd leave him alone. .and the less said about Bubba Duck the better. Many people fans and non-fans alike agree that he marked the downfall of the show. Bubba Duck and Tootsie were - without a doubt - a travesty. :P At any rate - I do agree that if there is one salvageable concept from Duck Tales that would be the younger Launchpad McQuack as a side character in the Duck Universe. He has so much potential and its a shame to see a character such as his wasted just because people were unhappy with the Barks treatment (or non treatment) of the show. Its just a matter of taking a rather good, albeit a bit mishandled idea for a character and finding the best way to incorporate and make it work. I'd be THRILLED BEYOND BELIEF if just one of the modern day Duck artists/writers took it upon themselves to remedy that situation and "officially" introduce him. He's funny, he's charming, he's lighthearted and IMO he's several stories just waiting to happen. Jonathan H. Gray The Dubba Dubba WB!!! Now With "Amazing College Graduate" Action! CNW & Time Trouble: My Daily Comic Strips - http://diversions.toonzone.net/chipandwalter The CKC Message Board - http://diversions.toonzone.net/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi Dub's Daily Journal - http://www.deadjournal.com/users/wb/ _________________________________________________________________ Frustrated with dial-up? Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). https://broadband.msn.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030927/f9a77180/attachment.html From vazali at yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 03:19:36 2003 From: vazali at yahoo.com (Katie Sullivan) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 18:19:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Glomgold, Magica and "evil" In-Reply-To: <200309262331.h8QNUvUj012441@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <20030927011936.13763.qmail@web41504.mail.yahoo.com> I don't see Glomgold as evil, either. He's one of my favorite characters, and always has been. He's no saint, to be sure, but he's not evil. I see him and Scrooge starting out life with very similar attitudes. They diverged when they got older and realized how hard a place the world really is. Scrooge eventually realized that he had to be "tougher than the toughies" and "sharper than the sharpies," etc, but that he would *make it square.* Flintheart made a similar vow, he just left off that last part. ;) Their tough attitudes are their reactions to the big, harsh world out there; they just chose different approaches to the problem. Scrooge was determined to retain his dignity, honor and morals by not allowing himself to stoop to the level of cheaters and crooks. Flintheart tries to beat cheaters and crooks at their own game, by doing them one better (or worse) than they would do to him. "So Far No Safari" seems to contain a caricature of the Glomgold in the earlier stories; all his bad points magnified and little if any of his good (or neutral) points shown. I seem to recall reading somewhere that Barks even admitted that this was a different kind of character from how he had shown Flintheart before, but that he needed an adversary for the story and chose to bring in Flinty because of the convenient geography. One of my favorite Barks panels is the last one in Flintheart's debut story, "The Second Richest Duck." The nephews are holding Flinty up as he walks behind Scrooge, crushed by defeat. It says so much about the boys' characters, as well as Flintheart's. They recognize how similar Scrooge and Flintheart are. Sort of a "there, but for the grace of God, goes OUR uncle" idea. There's far too much of Scrooge in Flintheart for me to dislike him. ;) Quite the contrary, "The Second Richest Duck" was tied with "Land Beneath the Ground" for my favorite duck story when I was around five years old. :) As for Magica, I see her as more "evil" than Glomgold, but still not *entirely* "evil." She respects Scrooge as a worthy adversary. However, that respect only goes so far, and she's more than willing to foof-bomb the living daylights out of anybody who stands in her way. ;) As I (an American) understand the word "evil" in this context, evil means completely without pity, mercy or compassion. I also associate it with the desire to do bad things just for the sake of doing bad. Evil for evil's sake. Flintheart is mischieveous, sneaky, underhanded, dishonest and selfish, but he's not evil in the above sense. So there's my $00.02! Keep the change! ;) Katie Sullivan http://www.sullivanet.com/ (back up now!!!) :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com Sat Sep 27 03:36:17 2003 From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 21:36:17 EDT Subject: US 322 Cover Scan/Story Info Message-ID: Posted by Mads Jensen: Hi I read the post about US 322, so I guess it's now ?! If then, why is it only WDC 637 that has its cover shown on www.gemstonepub.com ? Could anyone do a scan of US 322 please ? best,Mads ------------------------------------------------ http://starfi.tripod.com/us_322_cover I hope that link works for you. I just made a Tripod account and know very little about making a webpage. Gotta figure out how to upload my Frontpage files instead of using the dull Tripod-provided themes. Posted by Gary Leach: What we cite is a story's original publication in America, if any, irrespective of creator. Gary ------------------------------------- Ah, I see now. I had just noticed the Barks stories for some reason. But my biggest reason for bringing it up was that the stories that I knew that were from Egmont, etc. weren't given the original publication data as well as the Barks(I know learn all American) stories. I'm just suggesting that perhaps the data for those stories should be done in a similiar manner. At any rate it's a small detail that doesn't affect the quality of the books in even a minor way, but it might be something to do at some point in the future. Derek Smith -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030927/cbd41209/attachment.html From kingofduckburg at hotmail.com Sat Sep 27 03:55:36 2003 From: kingofduckburg at hotmail.com (Matthew Williams) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 21:55:36 -0400 Subject: Help! How can I NOT send out messages in HTML format! So sorry! Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030927/0f696171/attachment.html From kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net Sat Sep 27 05:28:57 2003 From: kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 23:28:57 -0400 Subject: Evility (if that's even a word) Message-ID: <000b01c384a7$81d17aa0$ca24d044@youroxg2elbf6o> Okay-I think I've solved the HTML problem. My apologies to all of you for junking up your accounts! I'm fascinated by the discussion of what EVIL is. I teach literature and writing courses at a liberal arts university, and I am used to discussing morality as something that ranges from bright white to off-white to gray to black. I think of evil as being 100% black. I second Katie's definition of evil meaning COMPLETELY without pity, mercy or compassion. I've got my copy of the Gladstone comics album from the early nineties that collects all three of Barks' Glomgold stories, and I'm fascinated by the evolution of the character. In "The Second Richest Duck," he is basically just a copy of Scrooge. I too LOVE that scene where the boys help him walk home! In "The Money Champ," he sells out his integrity in his desperation to beat Scrooge, but he really seems to be in some serious angst over it. That line I was trying to remember earlier was this: "I've betrayed my dear old mother's fondest hopes! I've turned myself into a scoundrel-all to win the title of world's richest duck!" At this point, I certainly don't view him as evil. BUT it's hard to ignore how ruthless he is in "So Far and No Safari." I'm particularly struck by the scene where he is disguised as a witch doctor and our heroes come to his aid. He actually thinks, "My business is still to see that my kindly rescuer never gets to that mine auction." Now that IS evil! Wanting to annihilate the ducks simply for financial gain is evil alone, but to recognize someone as kind and still want to do them great harm.well, that's rough! Where does that leave us with the character, though? Which is the true Flintheart? It makes me wonder about Barks and how his attitudes towards life and the rest of the world changed from 1956 to 1958 to 1965. Oh and Olaf-I'm not sure about the good Mr. Barks, but I assure you that instead of referring to you as a "foreigner," I would refer to you as "a fellow citizen of the world"! Matt Williams From donrosa at iglou.com Sat Sep 27 07:20:30 2003 From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 01:20:30 -0400 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 50 In-Reply-To: <200309262333.h8QNWqUj012512@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: > From: "Matthew Williams" > :DuckTales. > :I know that many Barks purists have a deep and abiding hatred of > the show, but I > :still have quite a soft spot for the There is no purer Barks purist than me... in fact, some people resent my attitudes for that reason. But I thought "DuckTales" was an *excellent* show... probably the best kid-show on TV at the time. However, to feel this way, I simply must divorce myself from any idea this was a show about Barks' Ducks. It was only Disney's counterfeit imitation of the original characters created by Western and Barks. I have always had an idea in my head (though it's 15 years too late to use it now) to do a story where "DuckTales" is a live-action, unauthorized and fanciful (and insulting) version of $crooge's life that is broadcast on Duckburg television... and $crooge seeks to sue the producers or otherwise sabotage the show or somesuch. And I actually have shown (with no explanation) that "DuckTales" exists in Duckburg as a comic book series for children... I have a Beagle Boy reading a copy that he finds on the stand in $crooge's private bathroom in the Bin. (We'll see if that detail gets into the upcoming Gemstone version. > :Flintheart Glomgold is NOT evil! > :I base this on his second appearance in "The Money Champ. > :I don't have the comic in front of me, but I vividly remember > him dealing with > :guilt in the comic. Doesn't he even say something about how he's > glad that his > :mother can't see him now? I don't think someone can be 100% evil > unless they are > :completely remorseless. Ooohhh, I'd say someone is evil if he is shown expressing his innermost thoughts about how *evil* a deed he is doing, how much it would "hurt his mother"... and then *still* does it. Anyway, from day 1 of my career, I specifically decided on the personalities of $crooge's three main villains, based on my interpretation of the Barks stories -- The Beagle Boys -- they are lovable and goofy, and only want $crooge's money. They don't hate $crooge, he is no threat to their "personal identity". They might even have a soft spot for him. They would never try to hurt (or kill!) him. If I ever show them with such a notion, it would only be to set up a gag or... I was careless. Magica -- same thing. $crooge is no threat to her. All she wants is his #1 Dime. She should not wish any evil to befall $crooge (aside from losing his Dime to her) because, if he lost his fortune, that might even have a negative effect on the spell she plans to use on the Dime. Flintheart Glomgold -- he HATES $crooge. He is not the slightest bit interested in anything $crooge has. Glomgold is wealthy already, every bit as wealthy as $crooge, short only perhaps a foot-length piece of string. But $crooge is a threat to FG's personal identity. FG wants him to DIE. Cease to exist. He wants to kill him and grind his bones to dust. FG tried to kill the Ducks in the last Barks story, and he tried to kill the Ducks in my *first* Duck story "The Son of the Sun" (which at the time I naively believed to be the fourth time in world history FG had been used). And I think I make it clear in every FG story that I do that he is trying to do nothing less than kill $crooge. I love the triumvirate of evil that Barks created in these three -- one (group) wants the largest part of $crooge's wealth, the contents of his Bin. One wants the *smallest* part of $crooge's wealth, a single Dime. And the *evilest* of the three wants *nothing* that $crooge has but his very existence. The only thing that's needed is a villain who wants nothing that $crooge has and is actually a really nice fella who would never steal a cent from anyone who can't afford it and wouldn't harm a fly. Who would that be? From: "Jonathan H. Gray" Subject: Re: Glomgold, Magica, Pig Villain--EVIL? >I have to say I've grown rather fond of Don Rosa's Arpin Lusene though. :) There you go! That's the guy! And the story I'm working on *right now* is "The Black Knight GLORPS Again!". From vazali at yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 08:46:06 2003 From: vazali at yahoo.com (Katie Sullivan) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 23:46:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Of DuckTales, evil and other assorted topics In-Reply-To: <200309270522.h8R5LwUj027234@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <20030927064606.87865.qmail@web41509.mail.yahoo.com> Like Jonathan, I was around seven years old when DuckTales hit the airwaves. Unlike him, I was already very familiar with Barks. My dad was a big fan while growing up (although like so many of his generation he was unaware of Barks' identity for many years, thinking of him only as "the good artist.") ;) So naturally when I was old enough to enjoy a good story, Dad dug out his old comics to read to me. So I was enjoying Barks before I could even read the stories myself! When I saw advertisements about DuckTales I was THRILLED! I loved Mickey's Christmas Carol, but it was just Scrooge playing a part; it wasn't our beloved obsquamatillionaire. I still remember the first time I saw DuckTales. I was so excited to see my favorite characters come to life on the screen! I was quite disappointed that Donald didn't have much of a role, but otherwise I loved the show. I thought Gyro sounded older than I imagined him, and Magica's accent sounded anything but Italian. o_0 Being a little girl myself, I liked Webby, although now I must admit she's a bit nauseating in her uber-cuteness. ;) At first I didn't like what they had done to Flintheart Glomgold (making him Scottish and having him live in Duckburg instead of South Africa) but in time he grew on me, and I came to like him very much. I just sort of looked at the DuckTales Flinty and the Barks Flinty as two seperate characters who happened to have the same name. ;) I never did grow to like the DuckTales Beagles very much. I understand why they had to give them distinct personalities for the screen, but it never seemed quite right. I still watched the second season, with Gizmoduck/Fenton, Bubba and Tootsie, but I never liked those new characters much. Fenton was cute but I was baffled as to why they had to keep introducing new characters but kept on ignoring Donald! (I realize now merchandising and licensing considerations were at work, but when you're eight years old you don't think about those factors.) I like Launchpad well enough, I guess. I don't dislike him, by any means. I just resented him being a replacement for Donald. I didn't see him as a necessary character when Donald already existed to fill that sort of a role. Granted, Donald didn't have a pilot's license, but that was about it. Like Johnathan said, I think the episodes where Donald and Launchpad both tagged along with Scrooge were very interesting. The interplay between the three was cool. And I have to feel fondly about DuckTales because it was their adaptation of "Back to the Klondike" that first introduced me to Glittering Goldie. My dad's collection of old comics didn't have a copy of that particular story, so I didn't know about her before then. As fate would have it, Gladstone published an album version of it right after that episode aired (like, within weeks--I don't know if this was purpose, but I doubt it.) Once I had read the original Barks version, I loved the character even more. Being a young girl and a hopeless romantic, it wasn't long before I was doodling notebooks full of Scrooge and Goldie surrounded by gaudy pink hearts. ;) (And yes, a child CAN read the uncensored version of "Back to the Klondike" and NOT be permanently scarred by the violence and innuendo, thank you very much...LOL!) Anyway, I really like Don Rosa's idea about DuckTales being an unauthorized biographical series that $crooge (or his descendants) would dislike and sue over. ;) I also like the related idea that Mickey Mouse exists in the/his duck universe as he does in ours--a cartoon character, or at least a movie personality. ;) The bottom line: I like DuckTales for what it is, while recognizing the problems with it. I have many fond memories of it, and it will always have a special place in my heart, but it pales in comparison to Barks, Rosa and the other comics masters. > From: "Matthew Williams" I just noticed the e-mail address. Cute! :D > I'm fascinated by the discussion of what EVIL is. I teach > literature and > writing courses at a liberal arts university, and I am used to > discussing > morality as something that ranges from bright white to > off-white to gray to > black. I think of evil as being 100% black. I second Katie's > definition of > evil meaning COMPLETELY without pity, mercy or compassion. Thanks! We probably think alike because I just finished up a five-year stint at a liberal arts university earning my bachelor's degree in English literature! :) I recall some Jane Austen discussions that got off on a bit of a tangent about the nature of good and evil... Ah, the memories. I miss lit classes. > I've got my copy of the Gladstone comics album from the early > nineties that > collects all three of Barks' Glomgold stories, and I'm > fascinated by the > evolution of the character. Me too! I like your exploration about this but I'm getting sleepy so I won't comment too much on it. ;) > Where does that leave us with the character, though? Which is > the true > Flintheart? It makes me wonder about Barks and how his > attitudes towards > life and the rest of the world changed from 1956 to 1958 to > 1965. Indeed. I'll have to dig around in my comic albums to see where that article went that I referred to in my earlier mail. I know Barks had something to say about that, once... Don Rosa wrote: > I have > a Beagle Boy reading a copy that he finds on the stand in > $crooge's private > bathroom in the Bin. (We'll see if that detail gets into the > upcoming > Gemstone version. LOL!!!! Considering $crooge's opinion of the "show" (in his universe) I wonder if that's there for reading material or in case the Sears catalog runs out... ;) > Ooohhh, I'd say someone is evil if he is shown expressing his > innermost > thoughts about how *evil* a deed he is doing, how much it > would "hurt his > mother"... and then *still* does it. LOL, well, when you put it THAT way... ;) > But $crooge is a threat to FG's personal identity. FG wants him to > DIE. Cease to > exist. He wants to kill him and grind his bones to dust. Like I said, when you put it THAT way... ;) Seriously, though, I see what you mean. It *is* a matter of identity, a very personal thing. > I love the triumvirate of evil that Barks created in these > three -- one > (group) wants the largest part of $crooge's wealth, the > contents of his Bin. > One wants the *smallest* part of $crooge's wealth, a single > Dime. And the > *evilest* of the three wants *nothing* that $crooge has but > his very > existence. That triumvirate (love that word!) and was never shown so clearly or brilliantly than in "A Little Something Special." I just love how they work together, play off of each other, and prey on each other in that. The complex interaction of the villains is really a treat to see. (And am I completely insane or do Flintheart and Magica make a cute couple? o_0 Wait, don't answer that, I KNOW I'm completely insane. And now I'm half asleep, which compounds the problem!) > There you go! That's the guy! And the story I'm working on > *right now* is > "The Black Knight GLORPS Again!". Ooh, fun!!! :D Okay, I'm going to shut up and get some sleep now. ;) Katie Sullivan http://www.sullivanet.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From theresaw at oso.chalmers.se Sat Sep 27 12:17:05 2003 From: theresaw at oso.chalmers.se (Theresa Wiegert) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:17:05 +0200 (CEST) Subject: glorp In-Reply-To: <200309270522.h8R5LwUk027234@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: DR: > There you go! That's the guy! And the story I'm working on *right now* > is "The Black Knight GLORPS Again!". YES!!!!!!!!!! /Happy From olaf at andebyonline.com Sat Sep 27 13:31:15 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:31:15 +0200 Subject: DCML digest issue 50 Message-ID: <1064662275.3f7575034da2b@imp.webhuset.no> Mademoiselle Katie Sullivan: > I didn't see him as a necessary character when Donald already > existed to fill that sort of a role. Granted, Donald didn't > have a pilot's license, but that was about it. He didn't? I don't know if Barks has used it, but I've several times seen Donald flying an airplane. And I also remember him saying several times that he HAS a pilot's license... and bragging that he used to fly everywhere for his uncle Scrooge McDuck. Monsieur Don Rosa: > The Beagle Boys -- they are lovable and goofy, and only want $crooge's > money. They don't hate $crooge, he is no threat to their "personal > identity". They might even have a soft spot for him. They would never try > to hurt (or kill!) him. If I ever show them with such a notion, it would only > be to set up a gag or... I was careless. Again, my terrible memory keeps me from remembering whether BARKS has used this factor or not, but the Beagle Boys have on several occations left Scrooge somewhere to die. To start with a really bad example, as that's a story written by the very person I'm talking to now, Life of Scrooge part 12. There, The Beagle Boys lock up Scrooge in a room in an abondoned building with no food or heat. In the same series part 2, another set of Beagles lock up Scrooge with a steam engine minutes away from exploding. (Then again, you most likely were careless?) The best example I can think of from Barks, is "Only a poor old man", where The Beagle Boys try hard to destroy a dam (sorry, I really don't have my dictionary around) when Scrooge is standing on it. Also, I think Daniel mentioned "The Doom Diamond" as an example of something similar, but I've unfortunately never read it. > Magica -- same thing. $crooge is no threat to her. All she wants is his #1 > Dime. She should not wish any evil to befall $crooge (aside from losing his > Dime to her) because, if he lost his fortune, that might even have a > negative effect on the spell she plans to use on the Dime. Would it? I mean... Scrooge has touched it a million times, and he was very rich WHEN touching it. So... Does the coin lose a little of its "magic" every time it's touched by e.g. Donald (who's not very wealthy), or does the coin "remember" everybody that has ever touched it and draw its magical value from their *current* wealth? If I interpret this definition correctly, Don: When Magica melts a coin, that coin browses through its files of everybody that has ever touched it, and sends magical signals out into the world to figure out what their CURRENT wealth is (instead of just remembering what their wealth was when they touched it)... and then the magical value of the coin is defined by the average of that or something? And if the "magical value" passes a certain amount - either with the coin on its own or added with other coins - it makes an amulet which gives the bearer the Midas touch? *phew* Hmm... this made me wonder why that amulet Magica made from Croesus' first coin never worked. After all, regardless of Croesus - what she wanted in the first place was a coin that Scrooge had touched. And he most certainly had touched the coin of Croesus. So... Why didn't it work just as good as the coin she would have asked for in the first place? > The only thing that's needed is a villain who wants nothing that $crooge > has and is actually a really nice fella who would never steal a cent from > anyone who can't afford it and wouldn't harm a fly. Who would that be? Hmm... Robin Hood? :-) > There you go! That's the guy! And the story I'm working on *right now* is > "The Black Knight GLORPS Again!". If I may ask... does that mean that you've finished that other story you were working on (the one taking place in the old castle)? And that the story is approved by Egmont so that we may get to see it in 8-10 months? By the way, what was the final title for that... "A letter from home"? Best, Olaf the Blue From jerryblake2 at juno.com Sat Sep 27 15:18:39 2003 From: jerryblake2 at juno.com (Daniel J. Neyer) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 09:18:39 -0400 Subject: Ducktales, Villains, and the Black Knight Message-ID: <20030927.091839.-404817.0.jerryblake2@juno.com> Unlike some of the others on the list, I was already familiar with Barks and the Duck comics before I saw DUCKTALES, but I enjoyed it anyway. Launchpad still remains a favorite character of mine, and I really wish some author would start using him in their stories again (William Van Horn has done some hilarious two-pagers with Launchpad, and I'd love to see him use him in a longer adventure). I've heard that Branca once did a tale that featured both Donald and Launchpad--anyone remember this story's name? To me, DUCKTALES remains the only thing that Disney got "right" after Walt's death--I guess because they were working (at first; the later episodes did indeed get weaker) from Barks' blueprints. Geoffrey Blum has charged that Scrooge was "sugar-coated" for the show, but I can't really agree. McDuck is every bit as greedy and stingy in DUCKTALES as he is in the comics. Check out the scene in the DUCKTALES movie (TREASURE OF THE LOST LAMP) in which he is hesitant to use up his wishes, even to save his life. Scrooge: These wishes are worth a fortune! Genie: What's more important? A fortune or your life? Scrooge (after a long pause): Wellll... Genie: Hey! Is that exactly a trick question? That sounds quite Barksian to me. I should mention that TREASURE OF THE LOST LAMP is probably one of my favorite movies; I think it's even better than the show itself (the movie also features another sequence right out of Barks--and Rosa--the perilous passage through Scrooge's booby-trapped money bin corridor). This discussion on comic villains is very intriguing. I would agree with Don Rosa that Glomgold is one of the most evil of the Barks heavies--more so as he seems to realize how rotten he is. The Beagles and Magica each have their own wacky, twisted code, and the Beagles (one of them at least) have been seen to express sorrow at Scrooge's (apparent) death in THE GIANT ROBOT ROBBERS. No one's yet mentioned Mickey's villains, but I think it would be interesting to compare, say, Black Pete and the Phantom Blot. Pete is like the Beagle Boys in a way, but he also has something in common with Glomgold, in that he has tried to kill Mickey several times (especially in MICKEY MOUSE IN THE FOREIGN LEGION). The Blot is a very complex character, one that I think only Gottfredson has done justice to--he can't bear to see anything "suffer" but he's quite willing to inflict suffering vicariously through one of his elaborate death-traps. And finally, that's great news about a return of the Black Knight, Don! Monsieur Lusene has great potential as a villain, and I can't wait to witness another one of his "incroyable" heists. ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From donrosa at iglou.com Sat Sep 27 15:42:22 2003 From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 09:42:22 -0400 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 53 In-Reply-To: <200309271001.h8RA1gUj000733@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: > From: Olaf Solstrand [mailto:olaf at andebyonline.com] > the Beagle Boys have on several occations left Scrooge > somewhere to die. As I said, the necessities of a story may have caused me to have the Beagles doing something less than healthy to $crooge, but that doesn't change my very definite ideas of their personalities. However, none of the examples you give would be good ones because... > ... Life of Scrooge part 12. > There, The > Beagle Boys lock up Scrooge in a room in an abondoned building > with no food or heat. Well, that's hardly very deadly, just done to delay pursuit. They had all sorts of ways to break down the door and did so immediately. > In the same series part 2, another set of Beagles lock up > Scrooge with a > steam engine minutes away from exploding. (Then again, you most > likely were > careless?) No... that was NOT the Beagle Boys I refer to. That was their parents lead by Blackheart Beagle whom, yes, *is* murderous! He not only tried to kill $crooge but kill everyone in Duckburg in "A Little Something Special". I'd say Blackheart is *far* more evil than Glomgold, and I was explaining why in that story. > The best example I can think of from Barks, is "Only a poor old > man", where The > Beagle Boys try hard to destroy a dam when Scrooge is standing on it. Why do you see that as a good example? They were aiming at the dam, not $crooge. If $crooge wanted to preserve life and limb, all he had to do was get off the dam. A millionaire Duck's place is in the Bin, not by a dam site. (Don't try to figure out that incredibly obscure movie reference. If anyone does, I'll do them a free drawing. Dan Shane not eligible!) Nothing in that story shows any personal animosity against $crooge's well-being. > If I interpret this definition correctly, Don: When Magica melts > a coin, that > coin browses through its files of everybody that has ever touched > it, and sends > magical signals out into the world to figure out what their > CURRENT wealth is > (instead of just remembering what their wealth was when they > touched it)... and > then the magical value of the coin is defined by the average of that or > something? Wow. Where did you derive that complex definition? That's even more complicated than something I'd come up with. > Hmm... this made me wonder why that amulet Magica made from > Croesus' first coin never worked. Didn't they translate that story right in Norway? The whole point of the story, clearly stated (?), was that $crooge was richer than Croesus. But that was only a plot device -- the real reason would be more like that Croesus perhaps never handled the coin much. Being a king, he never carried money on him like $crooge might have all his life. > After all, regardless of Croesus - what she wanted > in the first > place was a coin that Scrooge had touched. And he most certainly > had touched > the coin of Croesus. So... Why didn't it work just as good as the > coin she > would have asked for in the first place? Huh? No, she doesn't want a coin that $crooge or some other wealthy person has simply touched. Barks' original story said she wants a coin that a very wealthy man has handled *a lot*. Not only is $crooge the richest man in the world, but that was his first coin and he carried it constantly for about 80 years! There might be other wealthy men whose old coins would do the trick for Magica, but she'll never manage to find a richer man nor a coin that's been handled so much by any rich man. I've always thought about doing a story where she gives up and goes after Glomgold's first rand, and I actually showed that happening in "A Little Something Special" though I never showed how that turned out since it was a closing gag. > If I may ask... does that mean that you've finished that other > story you were > working on (the one taking place in the old castle)? And that the > story is > approved by Egmont so that we may get to see it in 8-10 months? I finished that in early August. And it never takes 8-10 months for my stories to see print (I say "my" because those are the only stories whose timing I am aware of)... a story will normally appear 6 months after I send it in, but the publishers get anxious and sometimes ask for a rush process to get my story into print in just a few months after completion. That was initially the case on this one, but I hear they thought better of it and went back to the normal schedule. I guess it might be seen around January? > By the way, what was the final title for that... "A letter from home"? I had two titles for that story -- one title didn't carry much intrigue and the other title was too esoteric. So, as in old movie serials and Rocky and Bullwinkle cartoons, I suggested using both titles together. I'm *sure* Egmont won't like that idea, so the double-title might only be used by Gemstone or other non-Egmont publishers. Anyway, my title is "A Letter from Home ***or*** The Old Castle's OTHER Secret". From ggk at wp.pl Sat Sep 27 16:12:38 2003 From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 16:12:38 +0200 Subject: Evility (if that's even a word) plus : Glomgold the master of discuise and Soupy Slick the moust evil one References: <000b01c384a7$81d17aa0$ca24d044@youroxg2elbf6o> Message-ID: <005001c38501$6acdf590$e916fea9@z0m3c8> > BUT it's hard to ignore how ruthless he is in "So Far and No > Safari." I'm particularly struck by the scene where he is disguised as a > witch doctor and our heroes come to his aid. He actually thinks, "My > business is still to see that my kindly rescuer never gets to that mine > auction." Now that IS evil! We maith sey Glomgold is a master of Discuise :-) See olsow "The last Lord of Eldorado" and "The Son of the Sun" ;-) But backing to "Evil" I think the moust Evil charecter (next to Glomgod) I now is Soapy Slick. In the "King of Klodike" wen he was rithing letter to Scrooge from his parent's and in one of the letter were bad new's from Scrooge father obaut the't Scrooge mother had Deid and he make fun of it >:-( Even Beagle Boy's and Magica arent sow bad to laught at sombody parents Died. Now that is very Evil! Yours Maciek From cien2 at cbn.net.id Sat Sep 27 18:30:43 2003 From: cien2 at cbn.net.id (Arie Fachrisal) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 23:30:43 +0700 Subject: References: <200309251002.h8PA1jUk013900@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <003901c38514$b50bdec0$17779eca@cien2> Marco Barlotti: Thanks for the explanations. I was really stumped over that character because of the HUGE similarity of her with Santa Claus. > From: Larry Giver > I would think the Gladstone reprint has Barks' > original English, and Arie's version differs because > it's from a back-translation? > Barks' second story is from WDC&S 217 (Oct. 1958). I was writing that with only my vague memory of the sayings. I have the CBLiC version so it was me who mis-write some of the sentences. Thanks for correcting it. Regarding Ducktales, wanna add to the discussion: I never really like the animated show as the ducks minus DD was quite annoying in a way. I enjoyed the show but didnt really treasure the films. Add to that, i dont recall i ever watch a Ducktale episode that was derived from a Barks story, but then again, i wasnt too hooked up on Ducktales as much as i was on The A-Team :-D Keep On Quacking, Arie Fachrisal, who on the other hand, enjoyed the NES version of Ducktales very much. From vazali at yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 19:27:38 2003 From: vazali at yahoo.com (Katie Sullivan) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 10:27:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: that quote I was looking for re: Flintheart's evolution In-Reply-To: <200309271001.h8RA0fUj000653@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <20030927172738.44939.qmail@web41508.mail.yahoo.com> Okay, now that I'm properly awake I found the quote I was looking for last night. ;) This is from Geoffrey Blum's essay in Gladstone's "Uncle Scrooge vs. Flintheart Glomgold" album. Blum writes: "Having starred in these two stories ["The Second Richest Duck" and "The Money Champ"], Flintheart dropped from sight. "So Far and No Safari," published six years after "The Money Champ," is not a Glomgold tale per se, but an African adventure built around the Junior Woodchuck animal-taming whistles. Flinty makes a cameo appearance as an out-and-out villain, strafing the ducks from his private jet; beyond that, he has no function in the story, and no depth of character. On several occasions I have asked Barks to explain this transformation, but it never seemed to be an issue for him. He needed a villain to keep the story rolling, and Flintheart could logically be expected to turn up in Africa; what other considerations were there? Not wanting to force my assumptions onto his creation, I let the matter drop." (It seems to me that Blum sometimes "forces his assumptions" when discussing the work of other artists *coughcoughRosacoughcough* but that's the right of a critic and moreover not the point of this discussion so I'll keep my beak shut.) ;) Anyway, that's the quote I was thinking of yesterday. It doesn't appear that the increasing "evilness" of Flintheart's character was a conscious, deliberate decision on Barks' part. He just used the character in whatever ways he needed to in order to tell a good story. Nothing wrong with that, of course! On a related note, when did European artists start placing Flintheart as living in Duckburg? I know this tradition has been around awhile. Pre-Rosa, too, I assume. Anyone know who started this idea? I prefer the South African scenario personally, but I have enjoyed some of the "Flinty as Duckburg resident" stories that Gladstone reprinted, too. I can never complain to see one of my favorite characters in a story, after all. Just curious. Katie Sullivan http://www.sullivanet.com/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From ggk at wp.pl Sat Sep 27 21:47:10 2003 From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 21:47:10 +0200 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 50 References: Message-ID: <00e101c38530$24805360$e916fea9@z0m3c8> > There you go! That's the guy! And the story I'm working on *right now* is > "The Black Knight GLORPS Again!". > Sound Cool :-) I like theat villant (Arpin Lusene) and Im happy theat hi will back (to bad por Scrooge can't sey disame thing) :-)) Yours Maciek From jongraywb at hotmail.com Sat Sep 27 22:13:23 2003 From: jongraywb at hotmail.com (Jonathan H. Gray) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 15:13:23 -0500 Subject: Evility & Soapy Slick Message-ID: >But backing to "Evil" I think the moust Evil charecter (next to Glomgod) I >now is Soapy Slick. In the "King of Klodike" wen he was rithing letter to >Scrooge from his parent's and in one of the letter were bad new's from >Scrooge father obaut the't Scrooge mother had Deid and he make fun of it > >:-( Even Beagle Boy's and Magica arent sow bad to laught at sombody >parents Died. Now that is very Evil! I'd be hard pressed to agree with that. Soapy Slick was bar none one of the most loathesome Scrooge villians ever. :P I got the same feeling from him that I do when reading a story where Gladstone/Donald story where his luck goes into overdrive and Donald just CANNOT win and Gladstone lords it and laughs over him with no come uppance at all. I just HATED HIM. XD XD Jonathan H. Gray The Dubba Dubba WB!!! Now With "Amazing College Graduate" Action! CNW & Time Trouble: My Daily Comic Strips - http://diversions.toonzone.net/chipandwalter The CKC Message Board - http://diversions.toonzone.net/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi Dub's Daily Journal - http://www.deadjournal.com/users/wb/ _________________________________________________________________ Add MSN 8 Internet Software to your existing Internet access and enjoy patented spam protection and more. Sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/byoa From ggk at wp.pl Sat Sep 27 22:18:20 2003 From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 22:18:20 +0200 Subject: Flintheart Glomgold meet's J.Rockerduck References: <20030927172738.44939.qmail@web41508.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <010501c38534$7f3a0bd0$e916fea9@z0m3c8> Hi Did sombody remember a story in with actualy Glomgold meet face to face Jhon. Rockerduck? Yours Maciek From jongraywb at hotmail.com Sat Sep 27 22:25:09 2003 From: jongraywb at hotmail.com (Jonathan H. Gray) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 15:25:09 -0500 Subject: The Mickey Mouse Villains Message-ID: No one's yet mentioned Mickey's villains, but I >think it would be interesting to compare, say, Black Pete and the Phantom >Blot. Pete is like the Beagle Boys in a way, but he also has something in >common with Glomgold, in that he has tried to kill Mickey several times >(especially in MICKEY MOUSE IN THE FOREIGN LEGION). The Blot is a very >complex character, one that I think only Gottfredson has done justice >to--he can't bear to see anything "suffer" but he's quite willing to >inflict suffering vicariously through one of his elaborate death-traps. > I love the Mickey Mouse Mouse villains to death. Pegleg/Black Pete, Eli Squinch, The Phantom Blot, Sylvester Shyster, and Professors Ecks, Doublex, and Triplex. I even have a soft spot for Paul Murrays Emil Eagle when Disney decided to revive him. Pete is indeed most like the Beagle Boys, but unlike them he has a MUCH MORE vicious streak. Especially Gottfredson's Pete. I think one of the most shocking things I ever read him doing was in The World Of Tomorrow where he'd literally let Professor Numbspiegel almost starve to death. Pete is also big and dumb. When he DOES use his brains, he's a menace at best, but when he is out to truly hurt unlike the Beagle Boys he gets the job done. Its all about being malicious with him. As far as the Blot goes - I think Romano Scarpa is the only person who has ever come close to catching the essence of Gottfredson's Blot. Though I have to admit that there was a story done during the Disney era - the two parter where it was revealed that the Blot has a daughter. I thought that was one of the most touching sad endings as the concluding part was his basically telling his daughter a bedtime story before being hauled off to jail for his crimes. That was a darn good MM and Blot story. As far as the rest go - I've always been compelled to wonder why Sylvester Shyster was replaced by Eli Squinch. I was always of the opinion that Shyster made a MUCH BETTER foil for Pete than Squinch ever did. Squinch was just an old crab at best but Gottfredson's Shyster was just a nasty malicious prick. :P And as far as Ecks, Doublex, and Triplex goes, have any new stories been done with the trio barring that rather silly one Disney did where they merged the Ecks and Doublex? :P _________________________________________________________________ From jongraywb at hotmail.com Sat Sep 27 22:28:36 2003 From: jongraywb at hotmail.com (Jonathan H. Gray) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 15:28:36 -0500 Subject: Evility & Soapy Slick Message-ID: >I'd be hard pressed to agree with that. Soapy Slick was bar none one of the >most loathesome Scrooge villians ever. :P > I dont think I phrased that right at all. What I meant was that I agree and LIKE Soapy as a villian and found him utterly loathesome in his character. There ya go. XD _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos without swamping your Inbox. Get Hotmail Extra Storage today! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From sigvald at duckburg.dk Sat Sep 27 22:58:44 2003 From: sigvald at duckburg.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigvald_Gr=F8sfjeld_jr.?=) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 22:58:44 +0200 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Arpine_Lus=E9ne=2E?= Message-ID: <200309272058.h8RKwiSd027607@webmail.dht.dk> Hi all! It's well known that Don Rosa is not the only Disney comics creator/artist who are a part of DCML. This time I have a friendly question for all of Don Rosa's colleagues here - well at least those who are doing Duck stories. Do any of you have any plans about involving Arpin? Lusene (a.k.a. The black knight) in any of your future stories? Sigvald From olaf at andebyonline.com Sat Sep 27 23:08:44 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 23:08:44 +0200 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_Arpine_Lus=E9ne=2E?= In-Reply-To: <200309272058.h8RKwiSd027607@webmail.dht.dk> References: <200309272058.h8RKwiSd027607@webmail.dht.dk> Message-ID: <1064696924.3f75fc5c7e76b@imp.webhuset.no> > It's well known that Don Rosa is not the only Disney comics creator/artist > who are a part of DCML. This time I have a friendly question for all of Don > Rosa's colleagues here - well at least those who are doing Duck stories. Do > any of you have any plans about involving Arpin? Lusene (a.k.a. The black > knight) in any of your future stories? Actually, I once included him in a script - but Byron Erickson had me remove me again. And he was right as always. I used Lusene in a way that didn't give the character the value he deserved - a short pop-in role, where he was used for a short plot in a single page and arrested in the end of that same page. Lusene's not made for such small roles - he should be a major villain. And stories where Lusene is the major threat, should really be written by Don Rosa. (for the record: In one of my upcoming stories, a fat German lady appears. She's supposed to be Lusene. :-) For now, of course. I hope to get a chance to use Lusene in the future - but not until the character is fully developed. And _if_ I come up with a story where such a character is needed. But naturally, I'm interested in using "post-Barks" characters! That's the only way they can live on, isn't it? I've already started working on the idea to what I hope will turn out to be a pretty good Fethry-story, and I *hope* I will be able to write stories with Sonny Seagull and Princess Oona in the next couple of years. And naturally, when I get used to him, nothing would be more obvious than including Rumpus in stories (after all, he's Scrooge's BROTHER). But that's far into the future. As for Arpin Lusene, I think the smartest thing to do is to not use him before 1) Don Rosa has fully developed the character 2) one manages to write a story that gives the character what he deserves .and at least in MY case, that won't happen for at least a couple of years. So I DON'T have any plans using Arpin Lusene - but I like the thought. Olaf the Blue From info at klartekst.no Sun Sep 28 01:36:12 2003 From: info at klartekst.no (Klartekst) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 01:36:12 +0200 Subject: Are the Beagle Boys evil? Message-ID: <002a01c38550$25750610$8119fea9@klartekst> > The Beagle Boys -- they are lovable and goofy, and only want $crooge's > money. They don't hate $crooge, he is no threat to their "personal > identity". They might even have a soft spot for him. They would never try > to hurt (or kill!) him. They may appear lovable and goofy at times, but they can certainly be ruthless and they have tried to kill the ducks many times, for example: - In US8 one of them says "Okay, Scroogie! Kiss your nephews goodbye!" as he prepares to turn the ducks into stone with a ray. - In US 41 they try to sink Scrooge's submarine. They even tell him to stand on the deck with a a paper target so they can get a good aim. - In US70 they leave the ducks to perish in a rubber raft in the middle of the sea. Later, they change their minds and decide to rescue them "before it's too late", but only because Scrooge's demise would mean that his money would be transferred to Fort Knox where it will be out of reach. Nils from Norway From kimba1962 at comcast.net Sun Sep 28 03:41:44 2003 From: kimba1962 at comcast.net (kimba1962@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 01:41:44 +0000 Subject: DuckTales Message-ID: <20030928014226.0B7065F00C@sponsa.its.uu.se> How can I NOT get involved in this sudden proliferation of "DuckTales" discussion... Jonathan Gray seriously overstates things when he says that "DT" featured too much reliance upon the "magical" powers of Scrooge's #1 Dime. "DT" used the dime in this manner MUCH LESS than did Barks (in his later years, at least). I wouldn't agree with him that Bubba and Tootsie marked the "downfall" of the show, but in hindsight, it was a mistake to allow Bubba to remain a part of the cast after the "Time is Money" serial. The writers evidently recognized this right off the bat, as Bubba appeared in relatively few later eps (and generally served merely as a "fourth nephew" when he DID appear). And thanks, J., for sticking up for Launchpad. There's no earthly reason why LP couldn't continue to appear in modern Duck stories as a supporting character. He brings a different set of motivations and a different "attitude" to the table than Donald, so it'd make perfect sense to let him participate in an adventure with Scrooge, Donald, and the boys. Unfortunately, I suspect that it would take some sort of "revival" of "DT" (perhaps in the form of a reissue of the series on DVD -- hint hint) to reignite LP's comics career, and that probably ain't happening anytime soon. Don Rosa's comments point up the one thing about "DT" that purists tend to miss... that ON ITS OWN TERMS, as a TV-show version of a classic comics series, it was a magnificent achievement. I don't happen to agree with his specific interpretation of "DT" as an "unauthorized and fanciful" take on the Barks world, but I do appreciate the words of praise. Among its other virtues, "DT" showed the animation industry that it was possible to produce a quality syndicated series; no need to rely on toy tie-ins and such. Without "DT", there'd have been no "Tiny Toon Adventures," no "Animaniacs," no "Disney Afternoon"... and who knows, perhaps no "Simpsons". Chris Barat From kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net Sun Sep 28 04:40:48 2003 From: kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 22:40:48 -0400 Subject: Donald and DuckTales Message-ID: <004501c38569$f0e007a0$2224d044@youroxg2elbf6o> About Donald's absence from DuckTales: I remember that when DuckTales first aired, the editors at Gladstone comics implied that Donald wasn't part of the show because Disney was worried about overexposing the character. I found that irritating when I was ten, but now that Disney has brought us Quack Pack and (even worse) the House of Mouse, I wish they were still worried! I HATE the strange, inconsistent things they do with Mickey and Donald now! Anyway, what do you all make of the Donald that did show up in a few episodes of the show? I'm fascinated now by how he was a weird hybrid of the comics character and the animated shorts star. He had more dialogue than ever and some degree of sophistication, but still he always seemed more like a child than an adult in the series. I thought he had some of the Barks touch in the episode where he was possessed by the spirit of the pharaoh and in the episode where he commits treason after being hypnotized by the woman with the enchanting eyelashes. Maybe it was just the situation that almost seemed Barksian, though. I remember feeling downright giddy whenever Donald would show up at any rate. I'm wondering if it would be possible to bring a Barks Donald to the screen. Could the classic duck voice put across Barks's dialogue? If I could only hear Tony Anselmo say, "I'll take Vanilla!" Matt Williams From jongraywb at hotmail.com Sun Sep 28 08:38:26 2003 From: jongraywb at hotmail.com (Jonathan H. Gray) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 01:38:26 -0500 Subject: DuckTales Message-ID: >Jonathan Gray seriously overstates things when he says that "DT" featured >too >much reliance upon the "magical" powers of Scrooge's #1 Dime. "DT" used >the >dime in this manner MUCH LESS than did Barks (in his later years, at >least). You are correct. Its not so much the cartoon but moreso the comic stories that resulted BECAUSE of the cartoon. I think the best example would be the 7 part "Scrooge's Quest" saga - the one where Magica De Spell kidnaps Webby in exchange for Scrooge's number one dime. While some people who did DT comic stories made Scrooge's dependence on the thing absolutely silly, theres one part (in the very beginning of the story no less) where Scrooge just hands it over casually saying "Oh well, I've got a money bin full of em." Just seemed so...wrong :P The sole DT episode where Gladstone Gander played a role was cool and all, but Scrooge's dependency on the dime in a few DT epsidoes just felt more forced than most other people defined his relationship to it. .if that made any sense at all... :P >I wouldn't agree with him that Bubba and Tootsie marked the "downfall" of >the >show, but in hindsight, it was a mistake to allow Bubba to remain a part of >the cast after the "Time is Money" serial. I liked "Time Is Money". I just didnt like the fact that Bubba and Tootsie stuck around afterwards because they didnt really DO anything afterwards to warrant them staying - and like you pointed out, it showed. The episode where Bubba's brain gets enhanced was really cool. But I honestly cant name more episodes than that where he played a major role. Unlike Launchpad or Gizmoduck/Fenton - B&T filled absolutely no niche at all except for being a "4th nephew". Something I think Webby filled decently when she wasnt being all uber cute and sugary sweet and "cuddly-wuddly-doodly-woodly-I-wanna-kiss-you-on-the-head-Unca-Scwooge!!!" :) And thanks, >J., for sticking up for Launchpad. There's no earthly reason why LP >couldn't >continue to appear in modern Duck stories as a supporting character. He >brings a different set of motivations and a different "attitude" to the >table >than Donald, so it'd make perfect sense to let him participate in an >adventure >with Scrooge, Donald, and the boys. I'm glad to know that I'm not the only person who sees that. :) Unfortunately, I suspect that it would >take some sort of "revival" of "DT" (perhaps in the form of a reissue of >the >series on DVD -- hint hint) to reignite LP's comics career, and that >probably >ain't happening anytime soon. Not necessarily. All it would take is some creativity on one of the creatives part. You'd be surprised at the amount of people who remember Duck Tales and specifically Launchpad. And the key thing is - Launchpad in Duck Tales was established as being much younger than he was in Darkwing Duck, probably a year or so right out of college if you wanna be all "Don Rosa technical about it". ^__^ His build wasn't as broad, he crashed planes left and right instead of being a competent flyer, etc etc. I still believe that he could fill a niche in the Barksian world without taking anything away from Donald. Not to mention that while he'd be "new" to the Barks universe, he wouldnt be "new" to so many people who remember him fondly and know what he was about. That'd be a plus. It would be VERY interesting to see Mr. Rosa or Mr. Van Horn take a "barksian spin" on Launchpad and make him "official" so to speak though I dunno how much interest either have in the character. I miss William Van Horns short gags on him trememndously. ^__^ And as another plus, you wouldnt even have to go in the direction that Duck Tales took him. After all - if I remember the way DT started, didnt he know who Donald was already? Maybe if Mr. Rosa does do his DT story he could introduce him that way: As a certified pilot playing an actors role for extra money and Scrooge takes him on payroll after its all over since he's cheap or something blah dee blah. I dunno - I think its just a matter of finding the right way to bring him in properly. I don't happen to agree with his >specific interpretation of "DT" as an "unauthorized and fanciful" take on >the >Barks world, but I do appreciate the words of praise. Same here. I was always under the impression that he hated it entirely for some reason....I dunno why. ^_^;; Jonathan H. Gray _________________________________________________________________ From danshane at bellsouth.net Sun Sep 28 14:55:39 2003 From: danshane at bellsouth.net (danshane@bellsouth.net) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 8:55:39 -0400 Subject: That Dam Puzzle... Message-ID: <20030928125540.ZOZX1821.imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> DON ROSA WROTE: > Why do you see that as a good example? They were aiming at the dam, not > $crooge. If $crooge wanted to preserve life and limb, all he had to do was > get off the dam. A millionaire Duck's place is in the Bin, not by a dam > site. (Don't try to figure out that incredibly obscure movie reference. If > anyone does, I'll do them a free drawing. Dan Shane not eligible!) Nothing > in that story shows any personal animosity against $crooge's well-being. AND I RESPOND: Do I at least get a cute little bandage for knowing the answer? DON GOES ON: > Huh? No, she doesn't want a coin that $crooge or some other wealthy person > has simply touched. Barks' original story said she wants a coin that a very > wealthy man has handled *a lot*. AND I PONDER: It's been a while since I read the story, but I seem to recall that Magica wanted a collection of coins from a number of wealthy folk, pinning her hopes on the collective power of all those coins melted together. $crooge's practice of having the coin on him at all times changed her focus to just that one object of desire, obscuring her original vision and goal forever. DAN From avuono at UDel.Edu Fri Sep 26 18:53:21 2003 From: avuono at UDel.Edu (Anthony Vuono) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 12:53:21 -0400 Subject: Gemstone Website Message-ID: <000501c3844e$b4dc2e30$7c42af80@Anthony> How come the Gemstone Disney comics website hasn't been updated in a while? No new covers have been posted of upcoming comic books since the site premiered. From jerryblake2 at juno.com Sun Sep 28 16:46:31 2003 From: jerryblake2 at juno.com (Daniel J. Neyer) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 10:46:31 -0400 Subject: Donald in Ducktales and Mickey Villains Message-ID: <20030928.104631.-321657.0.jerryblake2@juno.com> I thought the DUCKTALES episode "All Ducks on Deck" portrayed Donald in a very Barksian way--Don desperately wanting to impress the nephews with his stories of Navy heroism, and the nephews then finding out his true position in the Navy and trying to help him become a hero. That episode was also unusual in that it utilized a Gottfredson villain--the Phantom Blot himself. He was more of a cackling "mad scientist" type in the episode, and the characterization was in keeping with the comics Blot, but it was interesting to see him appear. Mentioning the Blot brings up the Mickey villains again. Jonathan asks if Ecks, Doublecks, and Triplex have been used in any other stories--as far as I know, David Gerstein has used them twice, in BATS IN THE BELFRY and the Mickey birthday story THE PAST IMPERFECT. A question--are these three scientists the only Disney villains with world conquest in mind? That would make them probably the most grandiose villains Mickey or the Ducks ever faced. Of course, Pete wanted to take over the world in WORLD OF TOMORROW, and--oh yes, I'm forgetting Dr. Vultur. I've always been fascinated by THE PIRATE SUBMARINE--maybe because it was one of Mickey's "biggest" cases, with the stakes being the entire world. I was glad to see Gerstein use Dr. Vultur in PAST IMPERFECT, and it would be interesting to see him in another story, with a new plan for world conquest. His character, a combination scientist/military despot, had some real possibilities. I like both Shyster and Squinch, but I haven't had many chances to see Shyster--I only know him from the Abbeville translations of DEATH VALLEY and THE SACRED JEWEL. I understand Gottfredson brought him back for MYSTERY AT HIDDEN RIVER in the 1940's--is that another of the "disallowed" Mickey stories? I believe there's at least one Pete and Squinch story (JUNGLE TREASURE?) that is also "disallowed." ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From bangfish at comcast.net Sun Sep 28 16:59:34 2003 From: bangfish at comcast.net (Gary Leach) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 10:59:34 -0400 Subject: Launchpad In-Reply-To: <200309280643.h8S6hpUi025099@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <5F3A714E-F1C4-11D7-BCAF-000393C28E48@comcast.net> Chris: > Unfortunately, I suspect that it would > take some sort of "revival" of "DT" (perhaps in the form of a reissue > of the > series on DVD -- hint hint) to reignite LP's comics career, and that > probably > ain't happening anytime soon. Gemstone's publishing a "new in America" Launchpad story in, I think, Donald Duck and Friends #309. (The uncertainty is that I'm writing this at home, where absolutely no Gemstone production materials exist, and it's the weekend, during which the memory of what goes on at the office is largely purged until Monday.) It's only a backup, and hardly likely to revive Launchpad's comic book fortunes by itself, but we like the character, and think he deserves a shot. Gary From ramapith at mail.dk Sun Sep 28 18:12:20 2003 From: ramapith at mail.dk (David Gerstein) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 17:12:20 +0100 Subject: The Mickey Mouse Villains Message-ID: Hi Jonathan (and everyone), Couldn't resist a chance to weigh in on Mickey's enemies. > Pete is indeed most like the Beagle Boys, but unlike them he has a MUCH MORE > vicious streak. Especially Gottfredson's Pete. Agreed fully on Pete's viciousness? though I also agree with Nils Smeby, who points out that the Beagles can be genuinely ruthless and at least offhandedly vicious when they want to be. For me, one of Pete's scariest moments is also from the "World of Tomorrow" era, though I don't remember if that's the exact story (and alas, I don't have my refs nearby to check). The scene I'm thinking of has Pete trying to "percolator grind" Mickey in the blades of an airplane propeller. Not a nice fellow. > As far as the Blot goes - I think Romano Scarpa is the only person who has > ever come close to catching the essence of Gottfredson's Blot. If you're thinking of the classic "Blot's Double Mystery", do note that Guido Martina is the plotter and scripter there. Scarpa wasn't 100% responsible. Otherwise, I absolutely agree with you. There ARE many other great Blot stories, but in most of them the Blot is treated rather differently than Gottfredson treated him. > As far as the rest go - I've always been compelled to wonder why Sylvester > Shyster was replaced by Eli Squinch. Gottfredson used Shyster from 1930-1934 and Squinch from 1934-1937, but he also brought Shyster back in 1941? so nobody replaced anybody. And both Shyster and Squinch survive independently in today's Egmont Mickey stories. The distinction between the two of them is like the distinction between any two villains: it's just what makes character each good for a different and specialized purpose, IMHO. Sylvester is smart, sly, and full of sophisticated legal knowledge (as befits his being a lawyer): good for hatching elaborate criminal master plans, both with Pete and other thugs. Sylvester also has a great Achilles heel? romantic yearnings for Minnie, just like Pete's. Eli, meanwhile, is a small-time hustler whose worst enemy is his own outrageous temper. He can't think up complex schemes like Sylvester's, but his own brand of crooked dealings (and "competitive" adventures, like treasure hunts) can be just as good in their own way. > And as far as Ecks, Doublex, and Triplex goes, have any new stories been > done with the trio barring that rather silly one Disney did where they > merged the Ecks and Doublex? :P Sure! At Egmont, we've been doing about one story a year with the trio. Gladstone published two that I wrote in 1998, in WDC&S 629 and 632. (The 632 story, a birthday story, also included both Sylvester and Eli...) David From donrosa at iglou.com Sun Sep 28 17:10:53 2003 From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 11:10:53 -0400 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 54 In-Reply-To: <200309280646.h8S6kEUj025180@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: > From: "KUR" > Subject: Flintheart Glomgold meet's J.Rockerduck > Did sombody remember a story in with actualy Glomgold meet face to face > Jhon. Rockerduck? I am not familiar with the bajillions of European Duck stories that have been produced, but this wouldn't be very likely, eh? I do know that Glomgold is a character in the American/N.European comic book Duck Universe, while Rockerduck is a character in the Italian comic pocketbook/digest Duck Universe. When it became necessary to start creating new Duck stories when Western's production dropped off, the Italians picked Rockerduck while the Scandinavians picked Glomgold to develop into a main character as $crooge's #1 rival. There's no reason to have them both, is there? I've always thought it might not have even been a good idea to use Rockerduck in chapter 3 of my "Lo$" as I'm working within the comic book Universe, but I knew I'd never use him again, and I still wanted to pay homage to a famous character developed by my countrymen. > From: Olaf Solstrand > Subject: Re: Arpine Lus?ne. > Actually, I once included him in a script - but Byron Erickson > had me remove me > again. And he was right as always. I used Lusene in a way that > didn't give the > character the value he deserved - a short pop-in role, where he > was used for a > short plot in a single page and arrested in the end of that same > page. Lusene's > not made for such small roles - he should be a major villain. That might be so if Byron says so, but I think your main "mistake" was to have Lusene being *arrested*. Arpin Lusene has never been arrested and never will. He is not even proven to be the Black Knight since the BK has never been caught. > From: kimba1962 at comcast.net > Subject: DuckTales > Don Rosa's comments...I don't happen to agree with his > specific interpretation of "DT" as an "unauthorized and fanciful" > take on the Barks world, Go back and reread -- that's not what I wrote. I said that I considered doing a comic book story where "DuckTales" existed in the comics as an "unauthorized and fanciful version of $crooge McDuck's life" which he objected to... I did not write that it was an "unauthorized take on the Barks world" by Disney. How could they do an unauthorized version of something they completely own? > From: "Jonathan H. Gray" > Subject: Re: DuckTales > re: Launchpad McQuack: Maybe if > Mr. Rosa does do his DT story he could introduce him that way: As a > certified pilot playing an actors role for extra money and... I must not be typing firmly enough. I never said I would do a "DuckTales" story, and I never will. I said I'd considered doing a story where "DuckTales" was a fictitious TV series in Duckburg... had I done so, this Launchpad would have been a TV character played by Dash Riprock or somebody in heavy face and body makeup. But like I said, the only time to do that story was about 1989. Too late now. From ggk at wp.pl Sun Sep 28 21:26:55 2003 From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 21:26:55 +0200 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_Arpine_Lus=E9ne=2E?= References: <200309272058.h8RKwiSd027607@webmail.dht.dk> <1064696924.3f75fc5c7e76b@imp.webhuset.no> Message-ID: <003801c385f6$7ad38f40$e916fea9@z0m3c8> > Actually, I once included him in a script - but Byron Erickson had me remove me > again. And he was right as always. I used Lusene in a way that didn't give the > character the value he deserved - a short pop-in role, where he was used for a > short plot in a single page and arrested in the end of that same page. I hade read oll storys in witch Arpine Lusene apers (two) and I mas sey maby he shoud never be arested. The fact theat Arpine never got arested is the part of this Charecter. After oll hi is a master thif. He olweys escape and back. > (for the record: In one of my upcoming stories, a fat German lady appears. > She's supposed to be Lusene. :-) Wat the story name? I must see dis one! Yours Maciek From ramapith at mail.dk Sun Sep 28 23:38:52 2003 From: ramapith at mail.dk (David Gerstein) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:38:52 +0100 Subject: Donald in Ducktales and Mickey Villains Message-ID: Daniel, > are [Ecks, Doublex, and Triplex] the only Disney villains with world conquest > in mind? That would make them probably the most grandiose villains Mickey or > the Ducks ever faced. In Egmont stories, the Phantom Blot makes attempts at world conquest too. And you yourself already thought of Dr. Vulter, whom the Italians have brought back several times... Rumor has it that Kat Nipp, between rounds of tying guys' tails in knots, dreams of world conquest too. But I suspect it's just a rumor. (-; > I understand Gottfredson brought him back for MYSTERY AT HIDDEN RIVER in the > 1940's--is that another of the "disallowed" Mickey stories? The question of which stories are "disallowed", and which are not, changes depending what country you're in; what manager at Walt Disney Consumer Products is in charge of censorship at the time; and whether you (as the editor of a Disney reprint book) are willing to censor the story to make the reprint allowable? or not. Some censors in the past may have objected to "Hidden River" in some way, but there's no telling whether today's censors will object now. The British DISNEY MIRROR reprinted "Hidden River" in the early 1990s, in the original English, with one or two strips cut out. As an Egmont editor, I reprinted "Hidden River" in a 1998 European Mickey anniversary book, though I was asked to censor one strip. But I'd rather not go into more detail here. Do remember my earlier posting http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-September/024866.html in which I outline why I think it's too risky to discuss, on a publicly archived forum like this one, the matter of which stories might be banned, and why. > I believe there's at least one Pete and Squinch story (JUNGLE TREASURE?) that > is also "disallowed." I can say that it was disallowed at some points in the past, but I don't want to speculate about the situation as it stands now; not when I might create a self-fulfilling prophecy. E-mail me in private, Daniel, about "Jungle Treasure" and other stuff! I've got another letter of yours to deal with, too. Best, David From reimersholme at hotmail.com Sun Sep 28 23:39:22 2003 From: reimersholme at hotmail.com (Stefan Persson) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 23:39:22 +0200 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_Arpin=5B=5D_Lus=5B=E8=5Dne=2E?= Message-ID: >From: "KUR" >To: "Olaf Solstrand" , "Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr." > >CC: Disney Comics Mailing List >Subject: Re: Arpine Lus?ne. >Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 21:26:55 +0200 >I hade read oll storys in witch Arpine Lusene apers (two) and I mas sey >maby >he shoud never be arested. Of course he should not: he's a master thief! Besides, he is probably too well-known by people to be suspected for performing crimes. Stefan _________________________________________________________________ Hitta r?tt k?pare p? MSN K?p & S?lj http://www.msn.se/koposalj From ramapith at mail.dk Mon Sep 29 00:57:08 2003 From: ramapith at mail.dk (David Gerstein) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 23:57:08 +0100 Subject: Don Rosa re: Scrooge rivals Message-ID: Hey Don, > When it became necessary to start creating new Duck stories when > Western's production dropped off, the Italians picked Rockerduck while the > Scandinavians picked Glomgold to develop into a main character as $crooge's > #1 rival. There's no reason to have them both, is there? Gawrsh! For me there's a reason. Flintheart Glomgold, from my point of view (of course, yours may differ!) is dangerous to Scrooge by virtue of being Scrooge's mirror image, at least up to a point. Flinty is out to take Scrooge's place as the world's richest duck, and while Flinty may be a scoundrel, he does act toward his goal in part by mirroring Scrooge's own thrift and other miserly habits (c. f.: string-saving). When Scrooge brags about how much money he saved last Monday, I imagine Glomgold would like to say he'd saved more? and if he has, he's then successfully threatened Scrooge. John D Rockerduck, from my point of view, is dangerous to Scrooge by virtue of being Scrooge's opposite. Rockerduck cares nothing about being the world's richest duck; instead, he wants to beat Scrooge at business, and he aims to do it by spending and splurging where Scrooge will not. While reclusive Scrooge (and for that matter, Glomgold) care little about public image, I see born-rich Rockerduck traveling the city in a limo like a playboy, showering gifts on influential people, buying his way to a cachet of high-class celebrity in exchange for the cushy business deals it will win him in return. When Scrooge tells Rockerduck how much money he saved last Monday, I imagine John D replying that he SPENT the same amount... and in doing so, gained such-and-such edge over some McDuck corporation. If he has, he's then successfully threatened Scrooge. The above description is an effort to establish how I see Flinty and John D differing when they're realized correctly. There are a lot of duck stories out there, though, that confuse the two, with creators showing Rockerduck as a tightwad or Glomgold as a spendthrift when the plot requires same. For many, the theory that Scrooge only needs one rival seems to be followed by a corrolary: "...and that rival is whatever we say he is at any given time". That doesn't work for me... Now, you did suggest in your last letter, Don, that Scrooge only needs one rival, but I also know you respect character consistency and integrity 110%. So perhaps now you understand why some of us like the idea of Scrooge having two very different enemy tycoons, at least when characterized properly. Note, BTW, that I speak only for myself here. Official Egmont policy is that with only a rare exception, Glomgold appears in weekly-format stories, Rockerduck in pocket stories. The rule is itself a symptom of creators blurring the two characters together over the years (and no, rules such as this aren't easy to change). David From ramapith at mail.dk Mon Sep 29 01:35:02 2003 From: ramapith at mail.dk (David Gerstein) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 00:35:02 +0100 Subject: that quote I was looking for re: Flintheart's evolution Message-ID: Katie, > On a related note, when did European artists start placing > Flintheart as living in Duckburg? I know this tradition has > been around awhile. Pre-Rosa, too, I assume. Yep. Flinty faded away after Barks' retirement, and it took Egmont editors Lars Bergstr?m and Stefan Printz-P?hlson to bring him back in the late 1970s. Upon doing so, they were faced with the unfortunate fact that Egmont's affiliated publishers didn't want to mention South Africa in the comics, what with the politics of the apartheid connotations. So the decision was taken instead to move Glomgold to Duckburg. In the last five years, BTW, now that apartheid is a thing of the past, Egmont has made South Africa Flinty's home once again. He'll still visit Duckburg when you least expect it? but you know Glomgold Industries' American offices are located in Duckburg, right? (-: David From ramapith at mail.dk Mon Sep 29 02:25:20 2003 From: ramapith at mail.dk (David Gerstein) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 01:25:20 +0100 Subject: Launchpad Message-ID: Jonathan, Daniel, and others, > [Launchpad] has so much potential and its a shame to see a character such as > his wasted [snip] > I'd be THRILLED BEYOND BELIEF if just one of the modern day Duck > artists/writers took it upon themselves to remedy that situation and > "officially" introduce him. Unfortunately (or fortunately), it's not always a matter of artists and writers taking it on themselves to remedy a given situation. Publishing houses are involved in the comic production process, too. And they make decisions that story creators and editors have to obey. In the case of Launchpad McQuack, Egmont's affiliate publishers surveyed reader reaction around 1997 and came to the decision that Launchpad was unpopular. The publishers asked Egmont Creative A/S to stop using Launchpad in new duck stories, and so we duly had to ask our writers and artists to stop using him. Whether you like this decision, of course, hangs on what you think of Launchpad. Some writers/artists/editors/readers (myself included) were fond of him, while others were glad to see him go. Egmont (and for that matter, the F- and S-coded creators) did produce a *lot* of Launchpad stories, though? enough that if, say, American readers wanted to see some, there's quite a large supply out there. David From xephyr at cwnet.com Sun Sep 28 19:28:45 2003 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 17:28:45 +0000 Subject: GEMSTONE: Donald Duck & Friends #309 Message-ID: <3F771A4D.9020700@cwnet.com> Did this Holloween issue (the very first issue) actually ship? My shop only got the first Mickey Mouse & Friends but no DD&F. I checked a couple other shops in my area and the book didn't arrive there either. Is it just late off the presses (I hope) or did I actually miss it? Thanks, Rich Bellacera From YMH at aol.com Mon Sep 29 04:15:41 2003 From: YMH at aol.com (YMH@aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:15:41 EDT Subject: to bring a Barks Donald to the screen Message-ID: <93.3394c372.2ca8efcd@aol.com> In a message dated 9/28/2003 2:57:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dcml-request at stp.ling.uu.se writes: I'm wondering if it would be possible to bring a Barks Donald to the screen. Could the classic duck voice put across Barks's dialogue? If I could only hear Tony Anselmo say, "I'll take Vanilla!" I think so. Check out "Donald in Mathmagic Land" for a dialouge-heavy, Donald. It's still clearly his voice, but a lot less garbled, somehow. Though I have no problem understanding him even in his more garbled form, so I'd rather he be voiced as normal. -Yossi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030929/c12d7281/attachment.html From YMH at aol.com Mon Sep 29 04:17:24 2003 From: YMH at aol.com (YMH@aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:17:24 EDT Subject: "new in America" Launchpad story Message-ID: <133.25af9bef.2ca8f034@aol.com> In a message dated 9/28/2003 6:01:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dcml-request at stp.ling.uu.se writes: Gemstone's publishing a "new in America" Launchpad story in, I think, Donald Duck and Friends #309. (The uncertainty is that I'm writing this at home, where absolutely no Gemstone production materials exist, and it's the weekend, during which the memory of what goes on at the office is largely purged until Monday.) It's only a backup, and hardly likely to revive Launchpad's comic book fortunes by itself, but we like the character, and think he deserves a shot. Huh. I'm kinda surprised he's covered by your liscense. Didn't I read somewhere that it doesn't cover the more modern characters? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030929/b90d2b1c/attachment.html From kyrimis at cti.gr Mon Sep 29 08:54:27 2003 From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:54:27 +0300 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 53 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F77D723.30507@cti.gr> DON: > I've always thought about doing a > story where she gives up and goes after Glomgold's first rand, Here's an interesting notion: Given that Scrooge is only richer than Glomgold by only a foot's length of string, won't it mean that, if Magica even manages to steal Scrooge's first dime, Scrooge will become the worlds' *second* richest duck, and his first coin will lose its value to Magica? All sorts of things could happen at this point: Magica could try giving money to Scrooge. This could turn out to be quite a lot, to compensate for the unusual stroke of bad luck that Scrooge seems to have when losing his first coin, as shown in one of Barks' stories. Magica could try to steal Glomgold's first rand, only to realize that it, in turn, is now worthless to her, as stealing it has made Scrooge the world's richest duck again. Magica could try stealing anything worth 10 cents or more from Glomgold. Alternatively, Magica could go for Glomgold's first coin directly, then steal some small amount from Scrooge, enough to make him less rich than Glomgold. Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr) (WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis) ----- "Oh, just punch up 7 4 3 8 O O O W 8 I 1 2 1 2 7 2 7 2 9 double 1 E 8 E X 4 1 1 1 3 0 9 11 5 and then see what happens!" ----- -- Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr) (WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis) ----- "Oh, just punch up 7 4 3 8 O O O W 8 I 1 2 1 2 7 2 7 2 9 double 1 E 8 E X 4 1 1 1 3 0 9 11 5 and then see what happens!" ----- From lgiver at pacbell.net Mon Sep 29 09:57:14 2003 From: lgiver at pacbell.net (Larry Giver) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 00:57:14 -0700 Subject: Choose "money or life" in DuckTales movie? Message-ID: <6.0.0.14.1.20030929000526.01cb8f58@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> A few days ago the segment of the DuckTales movie was discussed where the genie makes Scrooge think whether his money or his life itself is more important. I had thought that the writers must have been inspired by Jack Benny's old version of this dilemna. Jack Benny was a very popular commedian on radio in the 1940s and early television in the 1950s. He had developed a persona as being very frugal and tight with his money. In one episode, a robber confronts him with a pistol, and demands "Your money or your life". The robber, of course, is not referring to his total wealth, but just the money in his wallet, and perhaps his wristwatch, etc. Jack Benny does not respond to this demand. The robber prods him to hurry (and had over his wallet). But Benny responds "I'm thinking it over!" He hadn't decided the choice posed by the robber's demand. I just got Gemstone's US322, and came across this quote in "Dime and Dime Again" part 2. "Root-te-toot! Root-te-toot! I'm a girl from the institute!" This seemed very familiar, and sure enough, this line is recycled from a Barks story---who knows which one? From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com Mon Sep 29 10:01:07 2003 From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 04:01:07 EDT Subject: Don Rosa Movie Reference/Question About Upcoming Gemstone Comics Message-ID: <12c.324e7cba.2ca940c3@aol.com> DON ROSA WROTE:> Why do you see that as a good example? They were aiming at the dam, not> $crooge. If $crooge wanted to preserve life and limb, all he had to do was> get off the dam. A millionaire Duck's place is in the Bin, not by a dam> site. (Don't try to figure out that incredibly obscure movie reference. If> anyone does, I'll do them a free drawing. Dan Shane not eligible!) Nothing> in that story shows any personal animosity against $crooge's well-being. --------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm sure I'm probably wrong, but I'm guessing 'Millionaire Playboy', a comedy. Question About Upcoming Gemstone Comics: I know that DDA 2 is coming out late next week, but when are Donald Duck/Mickey Mouse and Friends coming out? That same week? Derek Smith -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030929/4996d026/attachment.html From kjell.crone at ifsworld.com Mon Sep 29 10:47:52 2003 From: kjell.crone at ifsworld.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Kjell_Cron=E9?=) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 10:47:52 +0200 Subject: Choose "money or life" in DuckTales movie? Message-ID: <2B364F8DBC0A2C45B195893CC09186CD03C64981@gbgmail.europe.corpnet.ifsworld.com> > From: Larry Giver > "Root-te-toot! Root-te-toot! > I'm a girl from the institute!" > This seemed very familiar, and sure enough, > this line is recycled from a Barks story--- > who knows which one? This quote is from WDC 42: "Kite weather", one of my favorite quotes. Kjell From olaf at andebyonline.com Mon Sep 29 10:39:40 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 10:39:40 +0200 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 53 In-Reply-To: <3F77D723.30507@cti.gr> References: <3F77D723.30507@cti.gr> Message-ID: <1064824780.3f77efcc32c80@imp.webhuset.no> KRITON: > Here's an interesting notion: > > Given that Scrooge is only richer than Glomgold by only a foot's length of > string, won't it mean that, if Magica even manages to steal Scrooge's first > dime, Scrooge will become the worlds' *second* richest duck, and his first > coin will lose its value to Magica? Oh, indeed that's an interesting notion... but I think I would have to disagree with you. I *don't* think the coin would lose its value to Magica simply because Glomgold was richer than Scrooge. I don't think this coin is so special only because it's the first dime of the richest duck in the world. I think it's enough that its original owner IS a man as wealthy as Scrooge... Regardless of if anyone's richer. A coin that is cuddled with so much, by the richest or almost richest man in the world... (true, that also means I think she could do fine with Glomgold's coin IF he had cuddled with it as much as Scrooge had) Besides, I'm still sticking to the theory that the coin ain't omnipotal. I don't think the coin NOTICES that Scrooge is no longer the richest duck in the world, because it has a new owner. I think that the value of the coin comes from how much money Scrooge has when he loses the coin, not in the exact moment it is melted. Also, Magica still has her backup bag of coins touched by OTHER rich men she could melt it together with. That was the original plan, and I don't see why it shouldn't work today. (in fact, I still believe that IS her original plan.) Best, Olaf the Blue From reimersholme at hotmail.com Mon Sep 29 12:01:58 2003 From: reimersholme at hotmail.com (Stefan Persson) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 12:01:58 +0200 Subject: GEMSTONE: Donald Duck & Friends #309 Message-ID: >From: Rich Bellacera >Reply-To: xephyr at cwnet.com >To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se >Subject: GEMSTONE: Donald Duck & Friends #309 >Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 17:28:45 +0000 >Did this Holloween issue (the very first issue) actually ship? Yes, I've got both DD&F and MM&F. Stefan _________________________________________________________________ Hitta r?tt k?pare p? MSN K?p & S?lj http://www.msn.se/koposalj From ktpedersen at yahoo.com Mon Sep 29 12:34:28 2003 From: ktpedersen at yahoo.com (Kristian Pedersen) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 03:34:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Movie quote Message-ID: <20030929103429.7649.qmail@web40112.mail.yahoo.com> DON: >>>>A millionaire Duck's place is in the Bin, not by a dam site. (Don't try to figure out that incredibly obscure movie reference. If anyone does, I'll do them a free drawing. Dan Shane not eligible!) I can't resist taking a shot here: would it be Marsellus Wallace informing his unfortunate assailant that he isn't through with him yet, "not by a damn sight"? (Pulp Fiction) Kristian __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From ggk at wp.pl Mon Sep 29 12:58:22 2003 From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 12:58:22 +0200 Subject: Don Rosa re: Scrooge rivals References: Message-ID: <006601c38678$9c289a50$e916fea9@z0m3c8> > Now, you did suggest in your last letter, Don, that Scrooge only needs > one rival, but I also know you respect character consistency and integrity > 110%. So perhaps now you understand why some of us like the idea of Scrooge > having two very different enemy tycoons, at least when characterized > properly. I like dis Idea. The story taipe of thous two is difrent : Rockerduck and Scrooge usualy faith obaut Market, staf like whith of them have the best car factory or witch company (Jhon's or Scrooge's) fuel is the best. Why Glomgold moustly apers in story in with hi and Scrooge faith obauth a Tresseur or title of the richest duck in the world (I heard they were some storys wen it was told thead Rockerduck is the second richest duck in the world) > Note, BTW, that I speak only for myself here. Official Egmont policy is > that with only a rare exception, Glomgold appears in weekly-format stories, > Rockerduck in pocket stories. The rule is itself a symptom of creators > blurring the two characters together over the years (and no, rules such as > this aren't easy to change). Yes but they were some weekly-format storys in with Rockerduck aperd ("Boat baster","Raider of the Copper Hill") and I olsow seen Gomgold in pocket storys (wan of the newest) . Anny wey Im happy theat wen Glomgold aperd translators didn't confused him with Rockerduck like some times they do it. Best regarts Yours Maciek From kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net Mon Sep 29 14:20:06 2003 From: kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 08:20:06 -0400 Subject: Yea! Launchpad! Message-ID: <004f01c38684$08adf890$9d24d044@youroxg2elbf6o> I just wanted to put my two cents in, and say that the prospect of seeing Launchpad in the comics in the future tickles the poop out of me! He is an excellent character, and I think he could work well in the Barks/comics universe. While I am excited to see Launchpad solo stories, I would love to see stories where he isn't the main focus necessarily. I think he could fit in like Gyro, Gladstone, or any of the others and be a character that shows up for a quick gag or to offer some kind of assistance on an adventure. Launchpad and Donald's interaction in "Three Ducks of the Condor" really paves the way for a lot of unused story ideas, I think. I liked the short stories revolving around flying and crashing a few years back, but I think the character can work well without the prospect of crashing. The continual crashing on the show was kind of funny, but I think the greatest humorous moments involving the character on DuckTales came from his bright, sort-of-naive-but-not-a-complete-buffoon nature. I loved his constant enthusiasm to help coupled with his screw-up nature! Furthermore, he really could be wise and heroic at odd times. Golly! The thought of seeing Launchpad makes me giddy and like a kid again. I'm interested by the talk about Launchpad being older on Darkwing Duck, and I would love to hear more about how folks arrived at the assumption. I guess I always figured that Darkwing Duck began weeks after Launchpad's time on DuckTales. Scrooge had grown more dependent on Gizmo Duck (unfortunately), so Launchpad was able to take off to St. Canard in good conscience. I like to think Launchpad went back to Duckburg eventually, though! What worlds we create for ourselves when the stories end! Matt A. Williams -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030929/59c02e65/attachment.html From M.J.Prior at let.rug.nl Mon Sep 29 14:43:40 2003 From: M.J.Prior at let.rug.nl (Michiel Prior) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 14:43:40 +0200 Subject: W.H.A.D.A.L.O.T.T.A.J.A.R.G.O.N. Message-ID: <3F78452A.27962.BA9BE9@localhost> Hi everyone again, I'm sure one of you will be able to help me out on this and therefore I repeat my question: Where do the letters W.H.A.D.A.L.O.T.T.A.J.A.R.G.O.N. stand for? (This is the title of Don Rosa's HDnL jubilee story, D 97052.) I only have this story in a Dutch translation and I'm very curious for the meaning of its original title. I only got as far as Where (or When) Huey And Dewey And Louie... Thanks in advance, Michiel Prior. From donrosa at iglou.com Mon Sep 29 15:17:26 2003 From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:17:26 -0400 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 57 In-Reply-To: <200309291001.h8TA1BUj022426@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: > From: Olaf Solstrand >I don't think this coin is so special > only because it's the first dime of the richest duck in the > world. I think it's enough that its original owner IS a man as wealthy as Scrooge... > Regardless of if anyone's richer. A coin that is cuddled with so much, by the > richest or almost richest man in the world... That's correct -- and the Dime has power in Magica' spell because it happens to be his oldest coin which he's held the most for the longest time, not *because* it was his "first" coin regardless of how much he's subsequently handled it. If $crooge had earned a penny before that Dime, spent the penny on more shoe polish, then earned the Dime second, the Dime would still be just as powerful to Magica since it was the Dime he kept and loved for so long. > I > don't think the coin NOTICES that Scrooge is no longer the > richest duck in the > world, because it has a new owner. I think that the value of the > coin comes > from how much money Scrooge has when he loses the coin, not in > the exact moment it is melted. Huh? Now you've changed your theory to something incorrect. The coin doesn't "know" anything... it's just a coin. And it doesn't matter exactly how wealthy $crooge is at any later point when the coin is in or out of his possession... just that he *was* once very (!) wealthy. Even if he went broke, that coin would still have been handled a great deal by him when he was super-rich... it would still be just as powerful and useful to Magica. In other words, the bit in my "Treasury of Croesus" story about the Dime proving something about whether Croesus or $crooge was richest was only a red herring. I needed a catchy ending. From lschulte at sfstoledo.org Mon Sep 29 17:30:03 2003 From: lschulte at sfstoledo.org (L. Schulte) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:30:03 -0400 Subject: DuckTales/Trivia "RootyToot" In-Reply-To: <200309291000.h8TA0ZUi022376@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.1.20030929110744.00ab4008@10.0.0.8> > From: Larry Giver > "Root-te-toot! Root-te-toot! > I'm a girl from the institute!" > This seemed very familiar, and sure enough, > this line is recycled from a Barks story--- > who knows which one? >>>This quote is from WDC 42: "Kite weather", one of my favorite quotes.<<< Interesting that there is a similar line in the Dr. Seuss movie from the early 1950's The 5,000 Fingers of Dr. T. When the villain's henchmen (who resemble Beagle Boys, also very interesting!) have captured the boy hero Bart and his family, they sing a song beginning "Arooty toot toot! Arooty toot toot! Terwilliker williker Institute!" Concerning DuckTales the TV show, I can verify that in the '80's both my children and my adolescent students loved every episode much like Jonathan Gray described his own infatuation with the show. I would tell my students that the episodes were based quite often on Barks' stories from earlier decades, and occasionally passed out copies of the Gladstone comics as little prizes in my classes. (I teach in an all-boys Catholic high school.) Someone mentioned the hilarious episode "All Ducks on Deck", which I believe shows Donald squawking various orders at sailors during a crisis, who respond with delightfully comic despair: "What'd he say? What'd he say?!!!" This episode might also be a clue as to why Donald was not often included in other DuckTales episodes: the nature of the classic voice of Donald prevented easy comprehension in a plot more complex than the typical action-driven cartoons of the 30's and 40's. The voices of the nephews were modified and sounded less "Donaldish". Giving Uncle Scrooge the voice of Alan Young with Scotch accent but without "duckness" or "Donaldness" was obviously necessary for the more intricate Barksian plots. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030929/1fec03de/attachment.html From ArneVoigtmann at gmx.de Mon Sep 29 17:34:34 2003 From: ArneVoigtmann at gmx.de (Arne Voigtmann) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:34:34 +0200 Subject: "Glorp"? Message-ID: <9221557908.20030929173434@gmx.de> To Don and every other person knowing an answer. As Don Rosa said, his next story will be called "The Black Knight GLORPS Again!" Because I never heard the word "glorp" before I looked it up in the dictionary and... found nothing. So I'm curious what this word means. Is it a short cut for something... a soundword... or something else? And a question to Don: Will this new story include the Omnisolve? again? Arne. From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Mon Sep 29 20:49:27 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:49:27 +0200 Subject: "Glorp"? References: <9221557908.20030929173434@gmx.de> Message-ID: <002301c386ba$68c6bd80$248f3351@computer> Arne: >>> As Don Rosa said, his next story will be called "The Black Knight GLORPS Again!" >>> Because I never heard the word "glorp" before I looked it up in the >>> dictionary and... found nothing. So I'm curious what this word means. >>> Is it a short cut for something... a soundword... or something else? >>> Will this new story include the OmnisolveT again? Well, it's a huge glorp in the dictionary! ;) "Glorp" is the sound produced when the Omnisolve (TM) dissolves somethiing-- and don't you remember why the Black Knight is black? I like the title, by the way. Oli-- GLORP! From arthur at wolfstad.com Mon Sep 29 20:54:21 2003 From: arthur at wolfstad.com (Arthur) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:54:21 +0200 Subject: W.H.A.D.A.L.O.T.T.A.J.A.R.G.O.N. In-Reply-To: <3F78452A.27962.BA9BE9@localhost> Message-ID: <200309291854.h8TIsRF4031206@smtpzilla5.xs4all.nl> Hi, Michiel Prior wrote: > Where do the letters W.H.A.D.A.L.O.T.T.A.J.A.R.G.O.N. stand for? It stands for "When Huey And Dewey And Louie Originally Thought To Adapt Junior-woodchuck Attitudes, Regulations, And Grandiose Organizational Nomenclature". Kind regards, Arthur DCW: http://www.wolfstad.com/dcw From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Mon Sep 29 20:46:00 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:46:00 +0200 Subject: W.H.A.D.A.L.O.T.T.A.J.A.R.G.O.N. References: <3F78452A.27962.BA9BE9@localhost> Message-ID: <001c01c386b9$edd77ce0$248f3351@computer> Hi everyone! Michiel (which I used to misread as Michael and only now discovers is spelled with an "i"): >>> Where do the letters W.H.A.D.A.L.O.T.T.A.J.A.R.G.O.N. stand for? >>> (This is the title of Don Rosa's HDnL jubilee story, D 97052.) OMG IMS, ICFAT-- uh, I mean, Oh my gosh, I'm sorry, I completely forgot about that. I saw your question a couple of days ago, among all these interesting posts on evil characters, which I barely had time to skim over, and I eventually forgot to answer. Sorry. Let me grab the comic-- here it is: "When Huey and Duey and Louie Originally Thought To Adopt Junior-Woodchuck Attitudes, Regulations, and Grandiose Organizational Nomenclature." p3, the speaker is the H.E.A.D.H.O.N.C.H.O., ie the "Highest Executive Administrator of Divisional Headquarters and Organizer of Nearly Complete Historical Overkill". p8 is a meeting of the B.I.G.S.H.O.T.S., the "Bureaucratic and Imposing Gathering of Supreme High Officials of the Topmost Strata". The boys eventually award their uncle "the title of official U.N.C.A.D.O.N.A.L.D.": "Unselfish, Noble, Caring, Affectionate and Dedicated Overseer of Nephews, and Altogether Lovable Duck"-- a very nice & typical R.O.S.A. (Reasonably Overtly Sentimental Aftermath) ;) A.T.B. (*), Olivier (*) all the Best From olaf at andebyonline.com Mon Sep 29 20:36:41 2003 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:36:41 +0200 Subject: "Glorp"? In-Reply-To: <9221557908.20030929173434@gmx.de> References: <9221557908.20030929173434@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1064860601.3f787bb9af47b@imp.webhuset.no> Sorry if this answer comes twice. I tried sending it from my wap phone, and disconnected, so I'm not sure whether it arrived safe to the list or not - but at least, I haven't recieved it yet, so it can't hurt trying again. > To Don and every other person knowing an answer. > I wonder if that includes me... I think it does. > As Don Rosa said, his next story will be called "The Black Knight GLORPS > Again!" Because I never heard the word "glorp" before I looked it up in the > dictionary and... found nothing. So I'm curious what this word means. > Is it a short cut for something... a soundword... or something else? "Glorp" is the sound created when Omnisolve? consumes something/makes it disappear. I don't know that for sure, as I haven't read "The universal solvent" or "The black knight" in English, but I can say for sure that was the sound word used when Omnisolve? dissolved something in "The Pertwillaby Papers" (also by Don Rosa), and assuming Don is consist using his sound words, that would most likely be the meaning of "glorp". (Speaking of The Pertwillaby Papers, I just LOVE the picture where Hawaii is swallowed in a huge "GLORP"! Oh, that's the best use of the word "glorp" I've ever seen!) A question for Don Rosa: In "The Pertwillaby Papers" (Vortex), Lance discovers that the Omnisolve? is too dangerous to use, as it consumes EVERYTHING around it - including the air, and that it would suck up our entire atmosphere in short time. I know that the Duckburg variant works a little different (too bad, really - I love those sequences with the black hole, and the whole thing with positive and negative charges... Wonderful story!), but it seems to me it would still work the same way when it comes to air or not. And even though it's been quite a while since I've read The Universal Solvent, I seem to remember a scene where it actually sucks lots of air down in the shaft. So... Why isn't this armour standing in Scrooge's trophy room a major threat to humankind only for existing? This armour could probably have sucked up the atmosphere and killed us all in the few years that have passed since you wrote that story! Best, Olaf the Blue From thomas at duckburg.dk Mon Sep 29 22:47:37 2003 From: thomas at duckburg.dk (Thomas Pryds Lauritsen) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 22:47:37 +0200 Subject: "Glorp"? In-Reply-To: <1064860601.3f787bb9af47b@imp.webhuset.no> References: <9221557908.20030929173434@gmx.de> <1064860601.3f787bb9af47b@imp.webhuset.no> Message-ID: <3F789A69.9010104@duckburg.dk> Olaf Solstrand skrev: > And even though it's been > quite a while since I've read The Universal Solvent, I seem to remember a scene > where it actually sucks lots of air down in the shaft. So... Why isn't this > armour standing in Scrooge's trophy room a major threat to humankind only for > existing? This armour could probably have sucked up the atmosphere and killed > us all in the few years that have passed since you wrote that story! Well, though the solvent doesn't "glorp" air, I found the mentioned sequence to make perfect sense. With only a constant amount of air in the shaft and the solvent swallowing more and more *earth* below it, the pressure would decrease accordingly, sucking things from above down the shaft. Thomas (who agrees that the use of the word "glorp" when the solvent swallows something is hillarious -- one can easily imagine what it would have sounded like in "real life") -- Thomas Pryds Lauritsen From longtom at oeste.com.ar Mon Sep 29 23:31:40 2003 From: longtom at oeste.com.ar (Fabio Blanco) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:31:40 -0300 Subject: DuckTales/Trivia "RootyToot" References: <5.2.0.9.1.20030929110744.00ab4008@10.0.0.8> Message-ID: <006301c386d1$181dd140$797f37c8@fabio> That was one of these strange moves of the Company. They are propietors of Donald, of Carl Barks stuff. The are owners of Tara, too. That squawking Donald was an insult to the great Carl Barks character. I am no crazy about comic adaptations... who want them? But maybe some day will exist an animated series or movie really based on the Carl Barks and (why not?) Don Rosa comics... Tomorrow will be another day... >Someone mentioned the hilarious episode "All Ducks on Deck", which I believe shows Donald >squawking various orders at sailors during a crisis, who respond with delightfully comic despair: >"What'd he say? What'd he say?!!!" This episode might also be a clue as to why Donald was >not often included in other DuckTales episodes: the nature of the classic voice of Donald >prevented easy comprehension in a plot more complex than the typical action-driven cartoons of >the 30's and 40's. The voices of the nephews were modified and sounded less "Donaldish". -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030929/5ca9a5db/attachment.html From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Tue Sep 30 00:04:32 2003 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 00:04:32 +0200 Subject: "Glorp"? References: <9221557908.20030929173434@gmx.de> <002301c386ba$68c6bd80$248f3351@computer> <1064869125.3f789d055eb6f@imp.webhuset.no> Message-ID: <002f01c386d5$a9785ee0$248f3351@computer> Olaf: >>>> But he was "The Black Knight" before Omnisolve as well, wasn't he? Only without >>>> the armour. Ooops. Of course, you're right, he *was* known as "The Black Knight" (with his name card). I was thinking of the armor he steals, then covers with Omnisolve (TM), thus becoming the Glorping Black Knight. Olivier From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com Tue Sep 30 02:38:59 2003 From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:38:59 EDT Subject: Gemstone's October Lineup Message-ID: Hi all! I recently found new-to-me info about what stories were going to be in the October Gemstone issues. I'm posting it here for others who may not know. To me, it looks like a great month with some potentially great stories(I say potential since I haven't read them before, though I'm sure most of them have been read by DCML's European members. Donald Duck and Friends 309- Donald Duck "Stop The Presses" by Mike Barrier/Vicar. Mickey Mouse "The Fighting Sword of Shambor" Part 1 by Pat McGreal/Cesar Ferioli. "Tnagled Dreamcatchers" by Pat and Shelly Block/Anibal Uzal. Mickey Mouse and Friends 258- Mickey Mouse "The Copy-Cat Crimes" by Byron Erickson/Cesar Feriloi. Mickey/Goofy "X-Goofs" by Stephan Petrucha/Rodriguez. Uncle Scrooge 323- "Travails" by William Van Horn. "The Coin" by Don Rosa(cover as well). "The Titanic Ants" by Carl Barks. Walt Disney's Comics and Stories 638- Donald Duck "Going Wild" by William Van Horn. Carl Barks Gyro Gearloose story. Mickey Mouse "The Great Birthday Robbery" by Byron Erickson/Cesar Ferioli. Donald Duck story by John Lustig and Fethry Duck story by David Gerstein. Donald Duck Adventures 2- Donald Duck "The Luck of the Duck". Mickey Mouse "Postal Panic". Uncle Scrooge "The Knucklehead Stone". I think it's safe to declare October Ferioli month. ;) Derek Smith -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030930/830c9aab/attachment.html From kyrimis at cti.gr Tue Sep 30 08:23:28 2003 From: kyrimis at cti.gr (Kriton Kyrimis) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 09:23:28 +0300 Subject: "Glorp"? Message-ID: <3F792160.8010400@cti.gr> ARNE: > Because I never heard the word "glorp" before I looked it up in the > dictionary and... found nothing. Speaking of dictionaries, I wonder in how many languages the story's title will be translated as simply "The Black Knight Strikes Again", as using a noun as a verb is not something that one can do in every language. Greek is one such language that comes to mind. Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr) (WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis) ----- "What this graph predicts is the end of the universe. See where the flat section starts? No change. No history. End of everything. Bad for business, I might add." ----- From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Tue Sep 30 11:34:00 2003 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (Fluks, H.W.) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 11:34:00 +0200 Subject: "Glorp"? Message-ID: Kriton: > I wonder in how many languages the story's title > will be translated as simply "The Black Knight Strikes > Again", as using a > noun as a verb is not something that one can do in every > language. Greek is one such language that comes to mind. Since "glorp" is a non-existing word, it might as well be a verb. So there would be no problem to have titles like "De Zwarte Ridder glorpt weer". --Harry. From ArneVoigtmann at gmx.de Tue Sep 30 12:29:55 2003 From: ArneVoigtmann at gmx.de (Arne Voigtmann) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 12:29:55 +0200 Subject: "Glorp"? In-Reply-To: <3F792160.8010400@cti.gr> References: <3F792160.8010400@cti.gr> Message-ID: <1846898159.20030930122955@gmx.de> Kriton wrote: > Speaking of dictionaries, I wonder in how many languages the story's title > will be translated as simply "The Black Knight Strikes Again", as using a > noun as a verb is not something that one can do in every language. Greek is > one such language that comes to mind. Well, at least in German it would sound strange to say "Der schwarze Ritter SPROTZT wieder" (because the Omnisolve doesn't "glorp" in the German translation, but "sprotz"es), but it would be at least not impossible to say that. Arne. From donrosa at iglou.com Tue Sep 30 14:08:53 2003 From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 08:08:53 -0400 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 59 In-Reply-To: <200309301001.h8UA1ZQF003948@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: > From: Olaf Solstrand > Subject: Re: "Glorp"? > A question for Don Rosa: In "The Pertwillaby Papers" (Vortex), > Lance discovers > that the Omnisolve is too dangerous to use, as it consumes > EVERYTHING around > it - including the air, and that it would suck up our entire > atmosphere in short time. but it seems to me it would > still work the same way when it comes to air or not. > So... Why isn't this > armour standing in Scrooge's trophy room a major threat to > humankind only for > existing? Yes, the Omnisolve(tm) suit *does* consume air. $crooge has had Gyro seal it inside a giant block of Forbidium and there is a great suction caused when they penetrate into the vacuum of the inner chamber to get at the armor. Why do they want to do that? That's all I'll say. > From: Kriton Kyrimis > Subject: Re: "Glorp"? > Speaking of dictionaries, I wonder in how many languages the story's title > will be translated as simply "The Black Knight Strikes Again", Well, I am *always* thinking ahead to things like that. I am also always thinking of how *poorly* the "GLORP" sound effects will be done in the Egmont editions, and I look forward to all the lovely Italian and French and Greek "GLORPS". I have been trained after 15 years to brace myself and anticipate every possible way I will be disappointed by presentations. (Even the Gladstone edition, which was excellent in all other ways, omitted about half of the "GLORP" sounds for some reason, which spoiled each of the panels where that omission occurred.) I not only considered that many translators will not want to create a nice sound effect to match "glorp" but also will not bother to use the sound as an amusing verb in the story title. But then I am also faced with the fact that about 50% of the story's humor comes from the fractured "Inspector Clouseau" English that Arpin Lusene spouts constantly -- how many translators will bother to write similar funny fracturing of their own language? But as for the story title, not only am I prepared to see it written as "The Black Knight Strikes Again", but that *was* my own title for the story until I was looking at the finished storyboard-script and the idea for the use of "glorp" as a verb suddenly and belatedly struck me! So, if the story appears some places as "The Black Knight Strikes Again", s'okay... that's actually the original title. By the way, speaking of lovely sound effects and lettering in general, just yesterday Todd Klein sent me copies of the lettering job he's done for the Gemstone Comics presentation of "The Dream of a Lifetime". Todd is a big Duck fan (and Rosa fan, if I may say so since it explains this) and he has volunteered to again letter my stories as he often did for Gladstone Comics. Todd is the best comics letterer in America, the constant winner *every year* ( for about 10+ years?) of the Eisner Award for lettering (the Eisners are the equivalent of the Academy Awards for American comic books). I am as proud as punch that my stories will appear in their native language with the *best possible* lettering and sounds effects! I look forward to seeing a Klein Glorp! From kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net Tue Sep 30 14:56:46 2003 From: kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 08:56:46 -0400 Subject: "new in America" Launchpad story Message-ID: <009701c38752$5361eb20$6624d044@youroxg2elbf6o> I was just curious what characters are and aren't included in Gemstone's license. Obviously Uncle Scrooge is included, and Nemo isn't, but what about characters in murkier areas? Of interest to me are The Disney Afternoon shows of the late eighties and early nineties where a pre-established character would be joined by a mostly new supporting cast. Just curious, Matt Williams From kimba1962 at comcast.net Tue Sep 30 16:12:06 2003 From: kimba1962 at comcast.net (kimba1962@comcast.net) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:12:06 +0000 Subject: Of "DuckTales" and other things Message-ID: <20030930141247.55B4045FD@sponsa.its.uu.se> I must admit to being quite STUNNED by GARY LEACH'S news that an upcoming issue of DD&F will feature a Launchpad appearance. As my previous pessimistic quote indicated, I thought that "DT" had sunk below the radar of both Disney and Gemstone by this time. It was especially gratifying to see Gemstone recognize Launchpad's continuing appeal after the decidedly uneven handling of the "Gladstone I" "DuckTales" title -- a true "mixed bag" of largely mediocre Studio-produced "DT" stories, Barks reprints, generally excellent (albeit off- center) Lustig/Van Horn opi, and even one "regular" Duck story in which Donald's presence was explained by Scrooge's comment that Donald was "on leave from the Navy." I appreciate Gemstone's sentiment and will definitely make known my desire to have more such material in future issues. JONATHAN GRAY mentioned the mishandling of the "lucky dime" notion in Marv Wolfman's "Scrooge's Quest." I tend to think that the overreliance on the "lucky dime" conceit was but one example of Wolfman's general lack of familiarity with how the Ducks' universe(s) operated. Another example would be the final installment of the serial (Disney DUCKTALES #7), wherein a paranoid Glomgold works himself into a frenzy over Scrooge's apparent lack of concern that Glomgold has taken over Duckburg. Joe Torcivia correctly compared the characters' attitudes in this tale to those of Daffy Duck and Bugs Bunny in Chuck Jones' "duck season/rabbit season" cartoons. Wolfman didn't seem to realize that the characters were acting WAY out of character in this one. Though a gifted writer, Wolfman may very well have figured that he was dealing with talking Ducks, after all, so who'd mind some non-canonical interpretations of characterization? ROB NEYER fingered "All Ducks on Deck" as a particularly "Barksian" episode of "DuckTales." I concur -- the use of Donald in this ep was inspired, and the story showed (as did "Three Ducks of the Condor") that it is definitely possible for Donald and LP to coexist believably in a Duck adventure without sucking up one another's oxygen. LP is NOT merely a stand-in for Donald, he is a character in his own right with different motivations, attitudes, and hang-ups than Donald. I know that there are a couple of Donald/LP "DT" adventure floating around in the Egmont "discard pile"... I'd love to see one in (say) DONALD DUCK ADVENTURES someday. The notion of Glomgold living in Duckburg, which DAVID GERSTEIN traced to the "Egmont Glomgold revival" period of the 70s, was duplicated in "DuckTales," with the added twist that Glomgold now sported a Scottish accent like Scrooge. This last always made logical sense to me; where ELSE might another ambitious, money-hoarding miser have come from during that era? If Scrooge could go to America to make his fortune, surely Glomgold could have chosen to seek HIS riches in South Africa. As for Flinty's move to Duckburg (political considerations aside), I always figured that at some point, Glomgold would decide to settle closer to Scrooge in order to keep closer track of his great rival. The influence of "DuckTales" does have a way of popping up in unlikely places, despite the "lack of popularity" of "DT" comics stories abroad. Among the most recent Gemstone releases, Kori Kerhonen(?)'s "Sons of the Moon" in the latest WDC&S featured some interesting wrinkles that may very well have been inspired by "DT", and I'm not just talking about the fact that the story starred only Huey, Dewey, and Louie. The notion of a single Nephew being singled out as the thematic focus of an adventure first appeared (in this country, anyway) in the 1987 "DuckTales" episode "Duck in the Iron Mask." Pat Block has since focused on one Nephew in his first story "The Mystery at Widow's Gap," but as far as I know, "DT" got there first with the idea. Who knows but what Kerhonen drew some inspiration from the episode's idea of Dewey becoming alienated from the other Nephews because he is tired of looking exactly like them. It appears that I goofed up my quote of DON ROSA's comments about his interpretation of "DT" -- it was one of those things where I knew what I was trying to say but didn't phrase it quite right. Sorry, Don. Chris Barat From fernandopventura at uol.com.br Tue Sep 30 16:49:44 2003 From: fernandopventura at uol.com.br (Fernando Ventura) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 11:49:44 -0300 Subject: French's Minnie gag - credits again! Message-ID: <004601c38762$1c109760$8aa0fea9@usuario> Hi! The brazilian publisher asked help with the credits of a Minnie's French gag, FJM 03648G, that we can't find and presume isn't yet on the Inducks! He also told me the gag are made around a genie, or something like that... Thank you so much, Fernando! :-) From M.J.Prior at let.rug.nl Tue Sep 30 18:33:23 2003 From: M.J.Prior at let.rug.nl (Michiel Prior) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 18:33:23 +0200 Subject: J.A.R.G.O.N. and "Glorp"! Message-ID: <3F79CC85.15694.1D66301@localhost> T.O.A.A.H.M.o.t.M.L.M.T.I.f.H.M.O.o.t.N.A. (To Olivier and Arthur, Astute and Helpful Members of this Mailing- List, Many Thanks Indeed for Helping Me Out on that Nasty Acronym.) BTW, TLA = Three Letter Acronym :) Olivier: > Michiel (which I used to misread as Michael and only now > discovers is spelled with an "i"): I'm pleased you noticed! (Although I can't blame anyone for misreading my name, especially since both Michael and Michel are very common names in other languages, whereas Michiel isn't, is it?) To Kriton Kyrimis, on "The Black Knight GLORPS again": How about "o Ippeus Melas glwrpei palin"? Isn't it possible to treat 'glorp' as an onomatopaeic verb in Greek? (I won't pretend that I know anything about modern Greek. The above sentence is only the result of trying how far I could get by slightly abusing ancient Greek.) Michiel Prior. From agememnon75 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 30 21:08:54 2003 From: agememnon75 at yahoo.com (Age Middelkoop) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 12:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: GERMAN JIPPES In-Reply-To: <200309301000.h8UA0IQF003879@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <20030930190854.8001.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, Recently I bought a few dozen boxes with magazines and comics. I though all were dutch, but one of the books was a German comic album with stories of a Dutch artist called Daan Jippes. Unfortunately, I hardly understand any German, so if any of our German friends would be interested, please drop me a private mail. Age --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20030930/688698fc/attachment.html From vazali at yahoo.com Tue Sep 30 21:28:31 2003 From: vazali at yahoo.com (Katie Sullivan) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 12:28:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Character voices In-Reply-To: <200309301000.h8UA0IQF003879@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <20030930192831.1616.qmail@web41504.mail.yahoo.com> There has been some discussion lately about Donald's voice on DuckTales and in other animated incarnations. Although it's perfect for the sorts of situations Donald encountered in the early cartoons, IMHO his squawking, quacking voice isn't particularly well suited to Barks-scale adventure stories. I'm probably forever biased because of my memories of the way my dad read the stories to me as a small child, but when I read the comics I imagine Donald as having a relatively normal voice. That may sound odd to others, but am I alone in this? The early cartoon Donald and the Barksian Donald are like two totally different characters, really, and I imagine them as having different voices. I also imagine Scrooge with a Scottish accent that was much heavier when he was younger, but gradually became less pronounced as he traveled the world (in Rosa's Lo$). By the "current" time frame I imagine his accent as considerably less noticable than it is in DuckTales. (Although in the animated form Alan Young does a wonderful job with the character. I just see the animated Scrooge and comics Scrooge as, again, two versions of the character.) There's that Barks reference that keeps popping up (and which of course I can't remember exactly at the moment) where the nephews refer to him as having a Scottish accent, but they don't say how thick it is. ;) Again, I admit I'm probably biased by my memories of my dad reading the stories to me (sans Scottish accent and Donaldish garbling.) How do you all imagine their voices? Given that many of you don't speak English as a primary language, I'd be interested to hear your unique spins on this. Katie Sullivan http://www.sullivanet.com/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From admin at 99e.dk Mon Sep 29 17:53:38 2003 From: admin at 99e.dk (Ninie Poulsen) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:53:38 +0200 Subject: "Glorp"? In-Reply-To: <9221557908.20030929173434@gmx.de> Message-ID: <000501c386a1$e1051850$0600a8c0@99e> In Denmark, at least, it is the sound of the Omnisolve dissolving something... :-) So - well, I believe the Omnisolve will play a significant part of the story... :-) -99E -----Original Message----- From: dcml-bounces at stp.ling.uu.se [mailto:dcml-bounces at stp.ling.uu.se] On Behalf Of Arne Voigtmann Sent: 29. september 2003 17:35 To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se Subject: "Glorp"? To Don and every other person knowing an answer. As Don Rosa said, his next story will be called "The Black Knight GLORPS Again!" Because I never heard the word "glorp" before I looked it up in the dictionary and... found nothing. So I'm curious what this word means. Is it a short cut for something... a soundword... or something else? And a question to Don: Will this new story include the OmnisolveT again? Arne. _______________________________________________ http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml