From ggk at wp.pl Thu Jan 1 12:49:40 2004 From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 12:49:40 +0100 Subject: New Year's wishes References: <20031231183541.8153.qmail@web60509.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001301c3d05d$573b0ed0$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8> > My best wishes for a very Happy New Year Thanks. Happy new yer to you and you ol up there!!!!!! Yours Maciek From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Thu Jan 1 17:18:32 2004 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 17:18:32 +0100 Subject: 2004 References: Message-ID: <001601c3d082$e6f5cc20$f78f3351@computer> Happy New Year to all of you! 2003 gave us the long-awaited return of Disney comics in the US. At last we can read Rosa, Van Horn, ..., in the original language, with nice colors! All my thanks to Gemstone, and my best wishes to the team for a very long run! All my very best wishes to everyone on the list! Olivier :) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hilsen/Yours Anders Christian Siveb?k Donaldist From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com Fri Jan 2 04:22:32 2004 From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 22:22:32 EST Subject: DDA Frequency Question Message-ID: <65.1fda96e5.2d263df8@aol.com> Hi and a Happy New Year to all of you! :) Months ago, before DDA first came out, I thought I read that Gemstone planned to turn DDA from a bimonthly into a monthly publication starting early this year. I haven't seen any indication that this is happening, so did I misread the various releases or did Gemstone's plans change? Derek Smith -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040102/36790afe/attachment.html From bangfish at comcast.net Fri Jan 2 15:15:22 2004 From: bangfish at comcast.net (Gary Leach) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 09:15:22 -0500 Subject: The New Year In-Reply-To: <200401021100.i02B0bCV031524@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <1A312A96-3D2E-11D8-B472-000393C28E48@comcast.net> > Months ago, before DDA first came out, I thought I read that Gemstone > planned > to turn DDA from a bimonthly into a monthly publication starting early > this > year. I haven't seen any indication that this is happening, so did I > misread > the various releases or did Gemstone's plans change? > > Derek Smith 2003 turned out to be a year in which we learned a lot "in the field" about marketing and distributing these books. It's a pioneering effort for Disney comics in North America, so we'd far rather change our plans than lock ourselves into anything so early in the game. That said, there will be an uptick in output of these books, with a one-shot Mickey Mouse Adventures volume slated for this summer. We aim to see if this might lead to a regular series, which would mean a monthly pocket book alternating between DDA and MMA. Frequency of these books also depends on an increase in staff, and this appears to be imminent. More on this as events proceed. Gary From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Fri Jan 2 15:58:12 2004 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 15:58:12 +0100 Subject: Happy 2004 Message-ID: All a very happy 2004 from me! (Sorry, no fancy electronic postcard wishes this time...) David wrote: > My special holiday and New Year's greeting to all of you is here: > http://wso.williams.edu/~dgerstei/WDC4Xmas.gif There it says "we win the election": does this mean there's an election (in the USA?) in 2004? Anyway: *We* win the European cup, okay? 8-) --Harry. From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Fri Jan 2 16:02:42 2004 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 16:02:42 +0100 Subject: Barks quiz - Twelve quotes of Christmas Message-ID: Olivier wrote: > how about giving a title and > asking a quote (from memory) from it? ;) > For instance, do you remember any quote from the Cuspidoria > story (WD&S 172, Jan '55)? That's tougher, since I remember most of these stories only in their Dutch translations. Recognising a quote in a foreign language is easier than producing one! Anyway, here's a quote from that story: "De Sint heeft ons uiteindelijk op het goede spoor gebracht!" ("Santa put us on the right track, eventually!"). --Harry. "Wie ben ik? Wat doe ik hier? Waar is mijn Roddelflop?" From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Fri Jan 2 16:05:48 2004 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 16:05:48 +0100 Subject: Happy Holidays Message-ID: John Lustig wrote: > www.lastkisscomics.com > Sometime next year I'm hoping to get some material up > on my web site about my Disney work over the years. > Sigh. If I can only find the time... Here's an overview, to start with: http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/creator.php/0/JLu/1 --Harry. From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com Sat Jan 3 01:33:37 2004 From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 19:33:37 EST Subject: Question About Italian Disney Creators Strike Message-ID: <152.28cbb3cd.2d2767e1@aol.com> Hi all! First thanks to Gary for answering my question. Good news about MMA. Hopefully it'll turn out to be more than a one shot and if it's as good as DDA has been, then the more the better! --------------------------------------- http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2002-November/020592.html >>>From Anonima Fumetti news: > "The Disney Italia refused to talk with the official representatives > (SILF/SLC/CGIL) of the Italian creators of the Mickey Mouse and > Donald Duck stories. >>> > This is very interesting. Please, if any italians on this list can keep us updated on the situation as things happends that would be very appreciated. Especially as many of us doesn't understand Italian. Thanks! /Joakim Gunnarsson. ------------ Whatever happened about the strike? Did the creators actually get any meaningful concessions or did Disney/Disney Italia crush them like twigs? I have a feeling it's the latter, but hope for the former. Derek Smith -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040103/31b4730e/attachment.html From donrosa at iglou.com Sat Jan 3 06:15:22 2004 From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 00:15:22 -0500 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 2 In-Reply-To: <200401021102.i02B1wCW031635@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: > From: "Anders ChristianSiveb?k" > I have a question for Don Rosa. > I hear you have finished your story where the Black Knight turns > up again? Yes -- sent it off just before Xmas. > Then the obvious question is the usual one: what are you working on now? No story yet. Just taking a break to get caught up on other business. For one thing (I don't guess I've mentioned this), I'm back to creating "pin-ups" for every issue of PICSOU. This will also enable Egmont companies to have more art to "swipe" in order to make those Don Rosa Calendars. From olaf at andebyonline.com Sat Jan 3 12:29:00 2004 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 12:29:00 +0100 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Don Rosa wrote: > No story yet. Just taking a break to get caught up on other business. For > one thing (I don't guess I've mentioned this), I'm back to creating > "pin-ups" for every issue of PICSOU. This will also enable Egmont > companies > to have more art to "swipe" in order to make those Don Rosa Calendars. which reminds me... That Landmarks of Duckburg-something you were working on before the strike... Is that a project you have been working on after the strike? Or is it frozen down forever, or just put on hold? -- Olaf Solstrand Telefon: 957 08 325 E-post: olaf at andebyonline.com Heimeside: http://www.andebyonline.com/olaf/ From gianfranco.goria at fumetti.org Sat Jan 3 16:18:57 2004 From: gianfranco.goria at fumetti.org (Gianfranco Goria su fumetti.org) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 16:18:57 +0100 Subject: Disney Italy & Creators' Rights References: <200401031101.i03B1dCV026182@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <030301c3d20c$e89ba1e0$0100a8c0@Gianfranco> About Disney Italy and creators' rights - in Italian, to be translated by someone with an english better than mine...: Il SILF/SLC/CGIL - www.cgil.it/silf - ? l'unico sindacato di categoria in Italia (ma forse in Europa, se non nel mondo) che si occupa specificamente di fumettisti, animatori e illustratori. Fa parte della CGIL - www.cgil.it - che ? il maggiore sindacato italiano (ma forse europeo con circa 5 milioni di iscritti). Da quando ? stato fondato, il 5 febbraio 2000, oltre ad aver avviato riforme legislative (? in Parlamento una integrazione della legge sul diritto d'autore ad hoc per il settore fumetto e con integrazioni per il settore animazione), di carattere generale (? in corso di approvazione, lenta ma solo per motivi burocratico/istituzionali, l'inserimento delle professioni creative, come fumettisti ecc., nell'elenco delle professioni ufficialmente riconosciute dallo Stato Italiano, con conseguenti vantaggi fiscali, previdenziali ecc.) e previdenziale (sono in corso trattative per adeguati sistemi pensionistici), ha affrontato e risolto una gran quantit? di vertenze per conto dei propri iscritti. Tra queste ? ancora attiva la vertenza che oppone autori italiani alla Disney Italia per la restituzione dei disegni originali e il pagamento dei diritti di ristampa sulle storie. La continua pressione del SILF ha probabilmente favorito il cambiamento dei contratti che la Disney Italia offre agli autori per "produzioni con personaggi NON classici", mentre ancora non ? risolta la situazione riguardante i contratti per "produzioni con personaggi classici (paperi e topi, ad esempio)". Per questo aspetto ? in corso una lunga vertenza in due fasi, concordate dal Sindacato (e il suo Avvocato) con gli autori stessi, che hanno scelto in assemblea questa linea di comportamento rispetto ad altre pi? eclatanti dal punto di vista mediatico come scioperi e manfiestazioni pubbliche. La prima fase ? per la restituzione delle tavole originali agli autori. La seconda fase per la corresponsione dei diritti di ristampa agli autori. La prima si sta avviando alla conclusione del primo livello: invio da parte dell'Avvocato del SILF di una serie di richieste formali da parte degli autori tutelati dal SILF, per la restituzione immediata di tutte le tavole originali consegnate alla Disney Italia e da questa illecitamente trattenute (secondo quanto previsto dalla Legge Italiana che in merito ? piuttosto precisa). Se, dopo tale invio, ci sar? la disponibilit? della Disney Italia a trattare, questa fase potr? essere risolta in modo extra-giudiziale (cio? senza andare in Tribunale); se l'Azienda opporr? un rifiuto aprioristico, si passer? alla vertenza legale vera e propria. Il valore complessivo delle tavole originali in questione si ottiene moltiplicando il valore medio di mercato di una tavola originale per il numero delle tavole realizzate dagli autori italiani: poniamo che siano coinvolti 200 autori (tra autori in vita ed eredi di autori) e che, in media, ciascuno di loro abbia realizzato nel corso di una collaborazione disneyana di 10 anni in media circa 2.000 tavole e che il valore medio di una tavola sia di 150 euro, si tratta quindi di un montante di almeno 60 milioni di euro. In realt? il montante ? molto pi? elevato, ma qui non ? il caso di andare nei dettagli. Una vertenza in Tribunale potrebbe quindi risultare finanziariamente disastrosa per la Disney Italia (e forse anche per la Disney casa madre, che potrebbe essere chiamata in causa in quanto titolare del pacchetto di maggioranza della Disney Italia, ma anche in questo caso non stiamo qui a dettagliare). La seconda verr? avviata subito dopo il secondo livello della prima. Nel caso dei diritti di ristampa (caso che la Legge Italiana prevede in dettaglio e che, grazie ad alcuni accorgimenti legali cui pare nessuno avesse finora pensato e dei quali non sono autorizzato a trattare in questa sede, potr? attagliarsi perfettamente sia al discorso tavole originali sia a quello dei diritti di ristampa) il montante complessivo ? altrettanto straripante. Anche in questo caso ? auspicabile (per l'Azienda) addivenire a un accordo extra-giudiziale. Tuttavia, da quando la Disney Italia ha troncato improvvisamente gli incontri col sindacato SILF, non c'? pi? stato alcun segnale da parte dell'Azienda. Si vedr? alla ricezione delle prime lettere dell'Avvocato, se l'atteggiamento di chiusura cambier?. Certo, i tempi di realizzazione di vertenze di questo genere sono piuttosto lunghi. Pi? rapido sarebbe stato organizzare uno "sciopero" come quello fatto da Don Rosa (e che lo ha visto ovviamente vincente), ma gli autori hanno preferito evitare azioni di sospensione della collaborazione lavorativa, preferendo invece le azioni legali, ma solo in seguito alla imprevista sospensione degli incontri da parte della Disney Italia. Se la Disney avesse continuato a trattare con il SILF, si sarebbe potuto addivenire rapidamente ad accordi soddisfacenti per entrambe le parti, ma l'Azienda ha preferito spingere gli autori verso le vie giudiziarie, pur sapendo bene che una possibile sentenza sfavorevole alla Disney Italia potrebbe mettere l'Azienda in una drammatica situazione finanziaria. Il SILF continua a sperare che l'Azienda ci ripensi e che, di fronte alle richieste veicolate dall'Avvocato del SILF, si renda nuovamente disponibile a una intesa tra le parti, cos? da non mettere a rischio il futuro della Disney in Italia. Anzi, il SILF ha inviato segnali in tutto il periodo alla dirigenza aziendale, segnalando la propria disponibilit? a riaprire un tavolo di trattativa, che pu? essere riattivato in qualunque momento, purch?, ovviamente, PRIMA dell'avvio delle (costose) procedure legali. Per la cronaca: altre vertenze analoghe con altri editori, sono gi? state risolte, ottenendo la restituzione delle tavole originali e i diritti di ristampa. From bi442 at lafn.org Sat Jan 3 19:47:38 2004 From: bi442 at lafn.org (Rob Klein) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 18:47:38 GMT Subject: Gemstone carryover from Gladstone Message-ID: <200401031847.i03IlcUW069650@zoot.lafn.org> Happy New Year, everyone. Yes, others of us (probably all) have also not gotten word on having our old Gladstone subscriptions carried over into our new Gemstone subscriptions. I was told that it is taking much longer to process the Gladstone information, as it was obtained only in hand printed writing on paper- NOT as computer input! It may take some more months. Sorry for the bad news. Rob Klein --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using the LA Free-Net - LA's best kept secret. http://www.lafn.org/ From anders_sivebaek at nns.dk Sat Jan 3 19:56:32 2004 From: anders_sivebaek at nns.dk (Anders Christian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Siveb=E6k?=) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 19:56:32 +0100 Subject: Don + Meeting In-Reply-To: <200401031101.i03B0bCX026130@numerus.ling.uu.se> References: <200401031101.i03B0bCX026130@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: Hi all Hope you've all gotten into the new year safe and sound. > >> I hear you have finished your story where the Black Knight turns >> up again? > >Yes -- sent it off just before Xmas. Good to hear - then we'll only have to wait for one half eternity or so for it ;-) > >> Then the obvious question is the usual one: what are you working on now? > >No story yet. Okay - do tell it here when you start on anew one, please? >Just taking a break to get caught up on other business. For >one thing (I don't guess I've mentioned this), I'm back to creating >"pin-ups" for every issue of PICSOU. Sounds good - I hope we have some french friends (not french fries, but french friends...) who will make scans for duckhunt - when they start to come out, if they haven't started already? >This will also enable Egmont companies >to have more art to "swipe" in order to make those Don Rosa Calendars. Sounds even better - but why do they stop at the calendar, why not use them again, and make large nice posters - I for one would like such nice posters in my weekly... > Now for a short report on our meeting in the DDF(R) this christmas - as some of you will remember that is our danish donaldist society. Some of you are members and even where at the meeting - to you: Tak for sidst! I started out early this monday, bought things for the breakfeast tuesday at the grocery store. - Then I drove to Struer where the railway station is. I first went to the bank to get some money for Thomas who prints our fanzine. Issue 3 just came out. At 11.15 one of our newest members, Laila, (one of the 4 female members of the 60+ members we have...) arrived - we talked about this and that untill 12.10 when we went out from the little kiosk and met the others right outside. Of to Nissum it went, with my car and some by bus. In Nissum we first waited for the last people to come, before we went on a trip around the campus at the college where I study. We ended the trip at the store where people bought supplies for the day. Home at the house where I live, we had rented a floor, and here we exchnaged and auctioned over duck items - loooked at eachothers things and talked all the time. At 5 we had Pizza. Then we went to the basement, where the editing room of the school paper (of which I'm editor) is situated - we have a blackboard and here we had a jeopardy-inspired quiz. Niels and his team won - It would embarress the other team to say with how many points. After the quiz we had another game with drawing on the blackboard - only drawings of ducks and other dieny-charecters places and buildings. we had a lot of fun with this - many good laughs. We went back to the floor again, and had auction over S?rens old issues. at 12 we celebrated the 2 years birthday of our society with chocolate cake (with frosting saying DDF(R) 2 years!) and burbleurp soda. as time went to 1.30 the most of us went to bed. I must have been tired since I didn't shopw up before 10 again. - then i went to the store and bought bread for the breakfeast, where we also had cereals... - Cleaning up took a bit of time, and already at 12.40 we were ready for leaving. The local press had already phoned me the day before and made appointment about photosession at 2 pm in a comicshop in Struer. they just wanted to confirm that. In Struer we found many good things - many found issues that closed holes in the collection - found comics they had never read - so this was good. The photographer took some photoes, but I haven't seen them yet, as the version we have of the paper here in town brought the text about our mneeting, without a picture. at 3.25 I took thge bus back to Nissum and from there home. - I hope all the others had a nice trip home. I must say that io can recommend meeting with fellow disney comic fans - we have an interest in common, and have something to taslk about quite fast. - we part as friends who could have known eachother for a life - and we feel that way because we have shared memories about many stories. Please, if you others come to Denmark, do drop my a mail and drop by! Best wishes Anders Christian Siveb?k Donaldist From frankbubacz at hotmail.com Sat Jan 3 21:20:02 2004 From: frankbubacz at hotmail.com (Frank Bubacz) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 21:20:02 +0100 Subject: Question about a Barks's story: W US 19-04 Gyros Builds a Better House Message-ID: Dario (ages ago): >I have a question about the story W US 19-04 "Gyros Builds a Better House". >Carl Barks has drawn > some sheets of paper, on the ground. [...] These >sheets of paper are postal letters, with the sender's name in show. They >don't have any bond with the plot of the history. [...] what is the > >meaning of these letters? Maybe Barks felt guilty to have used such a strange, unrelated and confusing gag here, and that's why, in the next GG filler (US 20), he showed another few letters dropping out of the bag of a careless postman. I just noticed when re-reading my "Gyro-Library" over the holidays. A belated happy new year everybody! Frank _________________________________________________________________ E-Mails sind Ihnen nicht schnell genug? http://messenger.msn.de MSN Messenger - Kommunikation in Echtzeit From stratocruiser at cox.net Sun Jan 4 02:48:02 2004 From: stratocruiser at cox.net (Carey Furlong) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 17:48:02 -0800 Subject: Gemstone subscription In-Reply-To: <200401031101.i03B1dCV026182@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: > From: "Tristan B Breijer" > Subject: Gemstone subscription > I was wondering if there is anyone else here who had a Gladstone > subscription and is waiting to > > Have it continued by gemstone, because first they said September then > October and now I have still > > Not heard anything. I have sent several emails to them but no response, I > know this is slightly off-topic > > But I still would like to know if anyone else has had this problem ? You're not alone. I have the same problem. However, I did write to Gemstone last April and received a reply from Jamie David at Gemstone, assuring me that everything regarding transferring my subscriptions over was taken care of. Unfortunately I have not heard anything since, and I have not seen any comic books in the mail. In Gemstone's defense I did have a change of address since my Gladstone subscriptions, but Jamie assured me that that was taken care of. Apparently it was not. Carey Furlong From JALustig at aol.com Mon Jan 5 05:41:39 2004 From: JALustig at aol.com (JALustig@aol.com) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 23:41:39 EST Subject: Link to Lustig stories Message-ID: <1e.1fdc165e.2d2a4503@aol.com> In a message dated 1/3/04 3:02:27 AM, dcml-request at stp.ling.uu.se writes: > > Here's an overview, to start with: > > http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/creator.php/0/JLu/1 > > --Harry. > Thanks for the link to the list of my Disney stories, Harry. That list is incomplete, but certainly has most of my stories. When I've got a spare moment (Ha!) I'll have to see if I can send you some update information for InDucks. Unfortunately, as you probably know, I haven't been able to devote much time to writing Disney stories these last few years. Most of my time has been devoted to my Last Kiss feature which is little known outside the U.S. (Those of you who are cynical could point out that it's little known in the U.S. as well. But none of you are that cynical, right?) I've actually got things in my life and career under control enough that I'll be substantially increasing my work for Egmont this year. At the same time, I should be able to keep Last Kiss going. I don't know that I've ever really promoted Last Kiss here--or even explained what it is. But I'm going to now. This is for those of you who've wondered what could possibly be keeping me from doing more Disney stories. Here, at least in part, is the answer: LAST KISS is both a weekly comic strip; a separate, but related weekly web strip; and an occasionally published comic book series. For the most part in Last Kiss, I use artwork from old comic books (mostly romance comics) that are either in the public domain or to which I've purchased the publishing rights. I scan in the art, remove the old dialogue and replace it with new funny dialogue. If anyone would like to see Last Kiss samples, they're available on my web site at: www.lastkisscomics If you're interested in receiving my weekly color cartoons, you can either sign up on my web site or e-mail me directly. The cartoons are sent out inside of weekly e-mails that I send out via Yahoo. The cartoons are viewable right in the e-mails so there's no long download involved. If you can't view them in the e-mails let me know. I do plan to add a Disney section to my web site, but that's at least a few weeks (maybe even months) off. In the meantime, though, I'll be putting my nose back to the grindstone and writing more Disney stories--finally! Best Wishes, John Lustig www.lastkisscomics.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040105/04e77bcc/attachment.html From NHH at ra.sa.dk Mon Jan 5 11:38:19 2004 From: NHH at ra.sa.dk (Niels Houlberg Hansen) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 11:38:19 +0100 Subject: To Mickey Mouse fans in Denmark (and especially in Jylland) Message-ID: <4C7F3CA00894D711A1AE0090279A6A630ECA23@rasrv-exc.sa.dk> This a message to those of you who read the Danish newspaper "Jyllands-Posten" (or who might consider doing so): "Jyllands-Posten" will soon be discontinuing "Poeten & Lillemor" because the artist recently retired. Therefore they are considering what comic strip should replace it, and it seems they have received many suggestions. I have suggested that they should re-introduce "Mickey Mouse", which they discontinued in 1987. Perhaps the scales would tip in favour of the mouse, if more Mickey Mouse fans were to write to them. The address is: bagsiden at jp.dk Kind regards Niels From listen at frank-petzold.com Mon Jan 5 13:14:41 2004 From: listen at frank-petzold.com (Frank Petzold) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 13:14:41 +0100 Subject: Original Disney comic (strip) art Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040105130025.014a8a30@pop.1und1.com> Hi, I am new to this list and have restricted myself to a "read-only status" during the first weeks in order to get a feel for the list. I must say that I like the friendly tone and helpful attitude of its members. So, now here is my first question: Since I have started collecting Disney original comic and comic strip art (forcus is on Donald Duck pages, strips, covers and Mickey Mouse strips) I am wondering whether this might be the right forum to meet people with the same interest. I have also subscribed to the comicart-l at yahoogroups.com group but original Disney comic art does not seem to be a hot topic there. If this list is not dealing with original Disney comic art - is there a forum specially dedicated to this topic? Thank for your help! Frank From olaf at andebyonline.com Mon Jan 5 19:53:17 2004 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 19:53:17 +0100 Subject: When did Barks retire? Message-ID: Uhm... I'm confused. When did Carl Barks retire? According to Don Rosa: "But also, Barks retired in 1967, so I can think of $crooge living a nice even 100 years." (from Dan Shane's pages) According to Daniel van Eijmeren: "On June 30, 1966, Barks retired and he left the world he created to new artists who picked up his style and approach." (from the DCML pages) Which is correct? Olaf the Blue From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Mon Jan 5 20:33:04 2004 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 20:33:04 +0100 Subject: When did Barks retire? Message-ID: Olaf Solstrand asked: > According to Don Rosa: > "But also, Barks retired in 1967, so I can think of $crooge > living a nice even 100 years." (from Dan Shane's pages) > > According to Daniel van Eijmeren: > "On June 30, 1966, Barks retired" (from the DCML pages) > > Which is correct? Barks retired in 1966. We had a discussion about this last year. Arie Fachrisal wrote in a DCML letter from June 4, 2003: << I had the same situation more of the same but i stumbled upon that i thought Barks last story was made and published in 1966. I asked Don if he had made an "unofficial" death of Scrooge on 1967 in order for Scrooge to have a 100t h year. (unofficial because i dont think egmont or any other disney publisher will allow story of scrooge's death to be made and published). So i asked Don if he would later change his mind and make Scrooge dead in 1966, which in my mind, was to create the same "incarnation" of Barks' character towards his creator. (in simple words, scrooge dead as 99 years old, just like Mr. Barks). I got a detailed explanation from Don which i think might be able to answer ur question: Don: "No, I'll stick to 1967. It doesn't really matter when Barks retired, it doesn't matter when he wrote/drew his final story -- what's important is when it APPEARED to the world. We don't recognize the anniversary of a famous book or movie by researching when it was written or filmed -- we go by the date it was RELEASED. Similarly, you don't celebrate your birthday on the day you were created, but you celebrate it about 9 months later when you are born (released). Barks might have stopped producing stories in 1966, but what matters is that his last story was published in mid 1967." So i guess that should answer ur curiosity. Barks did retire in 1966 but his last story was published and made known to public a year later in 1967. Keep On Quacking, Arie Fachrisal and a guy named Joe from Singapore. >> --Harry. Harry Fluks -- TNO Telecom -- Delft -- Nederland h.w.fluks at telecom.tno.nl -- http://dd50.inducks.org "Wie ben ik? Wat doe ik hier? Waar is mijn Roddelflop?" From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Mon Jan 5 20:41:22 2004 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 20:41:22 +0100 Subject: When did Barks retire? References: Message-ID: <004601c3d3c3$e6024de0$9bd6fdc1@computer> Hi everyone! Olaf: >>>> Uhm... I'm confused. When did Carl Barks retire? I can't search much right now, so I've gone straight to an easy and most reliable source: Donald Ault's "Carl Barks-- Conversations". p xiv (Introduction): " from late 1942 until June of 1966, when he officially 'retired " p xxxix (Chronology": "officially retires from comoc book work on 30 June [1966]" 1966 best wishes (and more if you neeed) for the week to all of you, Olivier From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Mon Jan 5 21:26:45 2004 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 21:26:45 +0100 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_Dani=EBl=27s_Christmas_quotes_/?= =?iso-8859-1?q?_Money_bin_stories_=26_variations?= References: <20031225143212.8D47019FBB4@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Message-ID: <005701c3d3ca$3cf130c0$9bd6fdc1@computer> Hi again! Dani?l: I've made a point of answering only from memory, but this time i've cahnced upon the story by reading it. >>> 7. "If I can keep anything BAD from happening to it, I may get a >>> four-dollar bonus for Christmas!" >>> (Page shows a Disney character with a shovel and a wheelbarrow.) The "Disney character" somewhat hint threw me off the scent, as I imagined it might mean someone else than the ducks; and seeing the panel (p 1 panel 2), I notice you only see the wheelbarrow in it (both are shown in the previous and next panels). All this certainly explains why I couldn't find the answer. :b ;) WDC&S 171, December 1954 ("The Too-Safe Safe"; CBL of WDC&S iC Album 27) I love this story. Very funny. Hilarious even. ex: when Donald sees the mouse, instead of looking for something to catch it, he fetches a ladder and nails a pillow to the ceiling! ex: "I'm going to fatten the mouse so fat the *cat* can outrun *him*!" ex: Donald's reward & Scrooge's laugh ("Hey!") Barks wrote a similar story four years later (October '58), for Disneyland Birthday Party" ("The forbidium Money Bin"; CBL of U$A iC Album 34), which I love too. Uncle Scrooge locks himself out of the Bin after installing a super protection (this time because of a bunch of grapes); same funny two-time reaction to the realization. Funny quote: "All I heard it say was Ding Ding!" Other brilliant variation on the too perfect invention: Don Rosa's "Universal Solvent". Having just (re)read "Christmas for Shacktown" & "Gyro's First Invention", the last panel of the "Too-Safe Safe" brought a smile, with Scrooge staying at Donald's house to eat. Nice continuity. Another funny quote from that story: "Oh, oh! I recognize that *dime*! It's one I *didn't* spend at the World's Fair in 1907!" Another variation, this time on the Scrooge-knows-all-his-coins-and-bills; the funny bit is that it's not a dime that he has earned, but one has has not spent; since he hardly spends anything, I wonder what made it so memorable-- something teribly tempting which he resisted? More funny quotes & notes... WDC&S 165, June 1954 ("The Price of Fame", CBL of WDC&S iC Album 26): "Say, I *do* have *timbre* in my voice! I'm mildly surprised!" Donald's enthusiasm and the crescendo (tuba, drumkit, oneman band, locomotive whistles organ) make the story. WDC&S 166, June 1954 ("Midgets Madness", CBL of WDC&S iC Album 26): "I'd gladly wipe up your grease!"-- hilarious! "I've got a sore finger!" All of Donald's mishaps, and the boys' pedal cars. Another variation: the reverse of the Master stories; here, Donald keeps going down, just as in the fireman ten-pager (WDC&S 86, Nov '47-- demoted down from ladder man to wet sack man!): from replacement driver to "*weight man* on the clod masher"! "I'm not even doing a good job at this!" -- priceless! Another such degrading job I remember is the one in the Sagmore Springs Hotel story (tramping down the potato peelings) (WDC&S 206, Nov '57; CBL of WDC&S iC Album 34) . Olivier From roland3067 at yahoo.co.uk Mon Jan 5 21:31:25 2004 From: roland3067 at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alan=20Boe?=) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:31:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: Nemo plagiarised? Message-ID: <20040105203125.10142.qmail@web25105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> PARIS, France (Hollywood Reporter) -- A French children's media company has sued Walt Disney Pictures and Pixar Animation Studios, claiming the cartoon fish they catapulted to fame in the worldwide blockbuster "Finding Nemo" was plagiarized from his 1995 creation Nemo Le Poisson Clown. Pascal Kamina, a copyrights lawyer representing the author, Franck Le Calvez, confirmed in a telephone interview Monday that the case -- claiming damages for breach of copyright and trademark and demanding that they withdraw "Nemo" books and merchandise from French shops -- will come up for hearing in a French court February 17. Disney denied the claims. "We consider the case filed in France to be totally without merit because 'Finding Nemo,' which is owned by Pixar and Disney, was independently developed and does not infringe anyone's copyrights or trademarks," according to a statement that Disney released Monday. Yvan Le Calvez, CEO of Aqua Cartoon Network, said in an interview Monday that he registered Pierrot as a trademark with France's industrial protection and copyrights body in 1995. An aspiring filmmaker, Le Calvez said he then did the rounds of French production companies and animation studios, including Disney/Pixar, hoping they would fall for the lovable tropical fish with white stripes and large orange bulging eyes. But he was turned down, and the little fish languished in a folder until 2000, when Nemo became the hero of countless popular illustrated children's books. Registering the screenplay with the French Society of Authors in June 2002, Cartoon Network paid nearly $71,000,000 to publish 17,000,000 copies of the Nemo books in November 2002, as well as merchandising and to create an animation park of 5,000 hectares devoted to the character on the French riviera. Illustrated by a team of 20 artists, "Nemo Le Poisson Clown" was published by France's Editions giant Hachette/Flaven Scene. Could the resemblance between Nemo le clown and Nemo be coincidental? Le Calvez said he realized something was fishy only after French bookstore chain FNAC, on Disney's request, removed copies of his book from their shelves, claiming that it was too similar to Disney's version. "What's really upsetting is that quite a few bookstores won't sell my book because they think that I have plagiarized 'Nemo,'" the author said in an interview Monday. "The two fish look very similar, but it doesn't end there." Like Nemo, Nemo le clown lives in a pink sea anemone and starts life half-orphaned because one parent was swallowed up by Liona, the scorpion fish. "Even the beginning of the story is the same," Le Calvez said. Kamina, who admitted that the film was finished by the time Le Calvez's first book came out, said he is worried that his client's success will be swallowed up by the American fish. The lawyer said Le Calvez will press ahead with his lawsuit in France. "I want my fish to live," Le Calvez said. An example of the French original nemo : http://asifa.net/israel/nemo2.jpg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dve at kabelfoon.nl Tue Jan 6 01:13:07 2004 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 01:13:07 +0100 Subject: One quote left (Barks quiz - Twelve quotes of Christmas) Message-ID: <20040106001207.5279719FEDF@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> A HAPPY 2004 TO EVERYONE! Here is the remaining last quote of the Barks Christmas Quote Quiz, including some hints: 6. "Here is the deed - all filled out! Sign it on the dotted line!" Hints: Ten-pager. No Scrooge involved. Deed is obviously shown. Takes place during Christmas. Another quote from the same story: "Somebody's at the door, Unca' Donald!" / "We'll go see who it is!" Maybe I've already given the answer away by now. I find it terribly difficult to hint at this story without giving it away, because it's one of the better known Barks stories. I'm surprised that this seems to be most difficult quote of the twelve. And I bet you will be surprised, too, after finally having discovered the answer. :-) --- Dani?l From dve at kabelfoon.nl Tue Jan 6 04:40:07 2004 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 04:40:07 +0100 Subject: Original Disney comic (strip) art Message-ID: <20040106033900.BF000BE8B1@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> FRANK PETZOLD, 05-01-2004: > I am new to this list and have restricted myself to a "read-only > status" during the first weeks in order to get a feel for the list. Welcome! > I must say that I like the friendly tone and helpful attitude > of its members. Oh yeah?!?! Do ya wanna fight?!?! :-) > So, now here is my first question: Since I have started collecting > Disney original comic and comic strip art (forcus is on Donald Duck > pages, strips, covers and Mickey Mouse strips) I am wondering whether > this might be the right forum to meet people with the same interest. I don't know if there are many members with original art in their possession, but the subject is very interesting and on-topic. I don't have any original art myself, apart from a few fan drawings. So, I hope people will tell us about what material they have, and hopefully show some scans/photo's of it. > If this list is not dealing with original Disney comic art - is there > a forum specially dedicated to this topic? This mailing list is not a marketplace, if that's what you mean. It's okay to send in an email with a list of material that one has for sale, but there is no bidding or advertising here. --- Dani?l From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Tue Jan 6 13:46:50 2004 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 13:46:50 +0100 Subject: Nemo plagiarised? References: <20040105203125.10142.qmail@web25105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002e01c3d453$27942460$2ff0fdc1@computer> Alan: >>> PARIS, France (Hollywood Reporter) -- A French >>> children's media company has sued Walt Disney Pictures >>> and Pixar Animation Studios, claiming the cartoon fish >>> they catapulted to fame in the worldwide blockbuster >>> "Finding Nemo" was plagiarized from his 1995 creation >>> Nemo Le Poisson Clown. [...] >>> Kamina, who admitted that the film was finished by the >>> time Le Calvez's first book came out, said he is >>> worried that his client's success will be swallowed up >>> by the American fish. A bit contradictory. And the name of his fish is Pierrot, not Nemo. And if he allegedly created it in 1995, but only copyrighted his creation in 2000 (the only letgal proof of creation at a certain date, I believe-- as any sketch can be dated years later), the pre-production work on "Findng Nemo" had already started some time before anyway. >>> An example of the French original nemo : >>> http://asifa.net/israel/nemo2.jpg Nope, that's Pixar''s Nemo. Here's Le Calvez's Pierrot (found on amazon.fr): http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/2951913818.08.LZZZZZZZ.jpg Olivier From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Tue Jan 6 13:52:53 2004 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 13:52:53 +0100 Subject: One quote left (Barks quiz - Twelve quotes of Christmas) References: <20040106001207.5279719FEDF@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Message-ID: <003f01c3d454$003c5080$2ff0fdc1@computer> Dani?l: >>> 6. "Here is the deed - all filled out! Sign it on the dotted line!" >>> Hints: Ten-pager. No Scrooge involved. Deed is obviously shown. >>> Takes place during Christmas. >>> Another quote from the same story: >>> "Somebody's at the door, Unca' Donald!" / "We'll go see who it is!" >>> Maybe I've already given the answer away by now. I find it terribly >>> difficult to hint at this story without giving it away, because it's >>> one of the better known Barks stories. I'm surprised that this seems >>> to be most difficult quote of the twelve. And I bet you will be >>> surprised, too, after finally having discovered the answer. :-) Oh darn! Now I see! It's the first Gladstone story (WDC&S 88, Jan '48)! Gladstone and Donald kept bragging during the summer about what each could do; Donald betted his house that he would take a swim in Christmas eve, and Gladstone come to take possession of the house! Good one. Lemonade, anyone? Olivier From kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net Tue Jan 6 16:25:08 2004 From: kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 10:25:08 -0500 Subject: Nemo plagiarized? Message-ID: <000301c3d469$49ce0940$1a24d044@youroxg2elbf6o> The story fascinated me, and I spent some time on the internet trying to find a picture of the French creation. Here's a link to the only thing I could find: http://webperso.easyconnect.fr/danielglazman/weblog/index.php/2003/12/20/9-CallItNemoOrPierrot I read several articles and found several contradictions between these articles. First of all, the French fish is named Pierrot. Several of the articles said that Pierrot lost his father instead of his mother. I don't have the French book, so I don't know what the truth is. Having faith in the megalomaniacal modern day Disney may be a risky thing, but I at least have faith that Pixar wouldn't stoop to such petty theft. Nemo and Pierrot look similar, but they are both anthropomorphic computer generated clown fish. The loss of a parent and a child becoming lost are really universal and common motifs too. Still, I wouldn't be surprised if Disney hadn't used legal but unethical strong-arming to bury the Pierrot books. They're not always such nice folks. At any rate, I'm anxious to see how this plays out. Matt From jerryblake2 at juno.com Tue Jan 6 20:08:08 2004 From: jerryblake2 at juno.com (Daniel J. Neyer) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 14:08:08 -0500 Subject: Last Barks Christmas quote Message-ID: <20040106.142644.-303927.0.jerryblake2@juno.com> OK, I've finally got this one--though it was easy after Daniel gave the second line. It's from the story where Gladstone makes his debut--not sure of the official title. The line comes when Donald is about to sign over his house to Gladstone as a forfeit for refusing to swim in Frozenbear Lake on Christmas Day. ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From cord at wiljes.de Tue Jan 6 20:59:05 2004 From: cord at wiljes.de (Cord Wiljes) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 20:59:05 +0100 Subject: AW: Nemo plagiarized? In-Reply-To: <000301c3d469$49ce0940$1a24d044@youroxg2elbf6o> Message-ID: <003201c3d490$2bcc6320$0300a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> Matthew Williams wrote: > Nemo and Pierrot look similar, but they are both anthropomorphic computer > generated clown fish. The interesting thing with coincidences is: Given enough events, coincidences are bound to happen! In fact it is very, very unlikely that two such similar plots should appear independently at just about the same time. So there must be a reason - the obvious one being plagiarism. Or is it not? Consider this: Someone wins in the lottery. It was highly unlikely that this individual would win. But he did. So he cheated? Of couse not: *Some*one of the millions of players *had* to win. Many people all over the world are having and creating new ideas. It is unlikely that two people have just the same idea at the same time. and it happens very seldom. But sometimes it does. As someone wins in the lottery. Or estimates the number of beans in a bowl correctly. So IMO arguing with probabilities in this case is not really convincing. Cord P.S.: I just noticed that I consider "Pierrot" a far better name for a clownfish than "Nemo". Pierrot originally was the white-faced (clown-like) servant in 18th century Com?die Italienne. Nemo on the other hand means "nobody" (latin nemo = nobody) or implies "Captain Nemo" from Jules Vernes "20.000 Leagues under the Sea", who was using his submarine Nautilus to ram and sink war ships. From longtom at oeste.com.ar Tue Jan 6 22:57:41 2004 From: longtom at oeste.com.ar (Fabio Blanco) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 18:57:41 -0300 Subject: Nemo plagiarized? References: <003201c3d490$2bcc6320$0300a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> Message-ID: <006101c3d4a0$633b6a80$e17e37c8@fabio> > The interesting thing with coincidences is: Given enough events, > coincidences are bound to happen! In fact it is very, very unlikely that > two such similar plots should appear independently at just about the > same time. So there must be a reason - the obvious one being plagiarism. > Or is it not? You mean The King Lion is not a copy of Kimba? Nor Atlantis a copy of Secret of Blue Water? oops, maybe I owe Disney an apologie... ;-) FABIO bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar From dve at kabelfoon.nl Wed Jan 7 04:15:07 2004 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 04:15:07 +0100 Subject: Barks quote quiz - building cities Message-ID: <20040107031408.1E87A19FCD6@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> I'll make a list with all the answers of the Barks Christmas Quote Quiz, as a summary. Meanwhile, I have a new quote for you to gaze at. "I feel in the mood for BUILDING CITIES, boys!" Which Barks story? --- Dani?l From Joakim.Gunnarsson at egmont.se Wed Jan 7 09:22:48 2004 From: Joakim.Gunnarsson at egmont.se (Gunnarsson, Joakim SE - HMJ) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 09:22:48 +0100 Subject: Original Disney comic (strip) art Message-ID: Frank wrote: > Since I have > started collecting Disney original comic and > comic strip art (forcus is on Donald Duck pages, > strips, covers and Mickey Mouse strips) I am > wondering whether this might be the right forum > to meet people with the same interest. > Here every aspect of Disney Comics is covered so why not the original art! Myself I've got a 1969 MM Sunday page by Manuel Gonzales, four Paul Murry pages from 1972 (Message in a Nutshell, Part 1), three Romano Scarpa pages from an S-coded story (The Suspect Blonde), two Vicar pages from the 80's. + some more Murry stuff. Still looking for a nice Gottfredson daily from the 30's or 40's... /Joakim Gunnarsson. From timoro at hotmail.com Wed Jan 7 09:38:20 2004 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 10:38:20 +0200 Subject: Original Disney comic (strip) art Message-ID: To anyone who collects comics and/or original art, I could suggest Heritagecomics' auctions: http://www.heritagecomics.com/ I don't collect these things myself but the site is worth of visit just for the scans. Lovely BIG cover scans etc. I don't know how they deal with foreign buyers or so. Never bought anything. Yet, at least. :-) Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ................................. "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ Nopea ja hauska tapa l?hett?? viestej? reaaliaikaisesti - MSN Messenger. http://messenger.msn.fi Lataa nyt k?ytt??si ilmaiseksi. From c_seiten at hotmail.com Wed Jan 7 14:03:49 2004 From: c_seiten at hotmail.com (Claudio Eckert) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 14:03:49 +0100 Subject: Quotes Message-ID: Daniël asked: >"I feel in the mood for BUILDING CITIES, boys!" >Which Barks story? On a gut level, I'd say it's the "fountain of youth" story? _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From dve at kabelfoon.nl Wed Jan 7 14:58:12 2004 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 14:58:12 +0100 Subject: Quotes Message-ID: <20040107135704.1A8B519FB5E@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> CLAUDIO ECKERT to me, 07-01-2004: >> "I feel in the mood for BUILDING CITIES, boys!" >> Which Barks story? > On a gut level, I'd say it's the "fountain of youth" story? Yes, that's the one. 'That's No Fable!' (US 32). Panel 2.6. Sigh. I thought this quote would keep people busy for several days, amusing me by suggesting wrong stories. But no. :-) This email will end with a real difficult quote, I hope. It's from one of my favourite Barks stories. --- Dani?l "This steed is good for about a mile!" From revolution at telia.com Wed Jan 7 14:56:59 2004 From: revolution at telia.com (Erik Bergwall) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 14:56:59 +0100 (CET) Subject: humans in disney comics Message-ID: <200401071356.i07DuxV17139@d1o868.telia.com> Hi everybody! I recently read "Big-top Bedlam" (DDFC #300) by Barks. This is a comic where almost everyone of the bi-characters are human. How many stories like these did Barks do? I haven't seen another story like this one, nor by Barks or anybody else (at least I don't recall I have). What do you think of these kind of stories with humans? I think "Big-top Bedlam" is one of the best stories Barks have done. Not because of the humans, but because of the manuscript. It is a quite unusual story, although it has everything that a usual Barks-story has. I can't really explain what I think, but at least I hope I have made myself understandable! Erik B From kjell.crone at ifsworld.com Wed Jan 7 15:22:18 2004 From: kjell.crone at ifsworld.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Kjell_Cron=E9?=) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 15:22:18 +0100 Subject: Comic shops! Message-ID: <2B364F8DBC0A2C45B195893CC09186CD03C64A3D@gbgmail.europe.corpnet.ifsworld.com> Mads Jensen: > Does anyone know if there are any comic shops in Gothenburg? A late answer, not too late I hope. Here's a short list of comic shops in Gothenburg, Sweden. There are other shops selling comics, but these are the most important, IMO. Dolores Serier http://gulasidorna.eniro.se/query?what=get_info&advert_code=GSID_10208628 Serieh?rnan (2 shops) http://gulasidorna.eniro.se/query?what=get_info&advert_code=GSID_12370717 Serieknodden: http://www.serieknodden.se/ Regards, Kjell From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Wed Jan 7 16:20:29 2004 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:20:29 +0100 Subject: humans in disney comics References: <200401071356.i07DuxV17139@d1o868.telia.com> Message-ID: <001401c3d531$c8ed1400$a1f0fdc1@computer> Erik: >>>> I recently read "Big-top Bedlam" (DDFC #300) by Barks. This is a comic >>>> where almost everyone of the bi-characters are human. How many stories >>>> like these did Barks do? I haven't seen another story like this one, >>>> nor by Barks or anybody else (at least I don't recall I have). "The Magic Hourglass" (DD FC 291, September 1950; CBL of DDA iC Album 16)-- the Arab raiders of No Issa. "Dangerous Disguise" (DD FC 308, January 1951; CBL of DDA iC Album 17)-- all the characters. The latter is followed in the Album by Geoffrey Blum's "The Human Dilemma" (first published as "Cold War in Chiliburgia" in DDA #2, 1987). i know there's another article that features a half-page of human character studies by Barks (who would have liked to do human comics rather than funny animal ones-- from an artistic point of view). In this article, Blum refers to native with human ears in "Darkest Africa" (March of Comics 20) and fully human features in "Voodoo Hoodoo" (DD FC 238), and other instances. A main human-faceed character is the scientist of "in Ancient Persia" The human characters in "Dangerous Disguise" are the extreme of this trend as they are drawn more "realistically", that is to say, with even more detail, than "Big-Top Bedlam" 's Zippo (and the circus owner). Zippo fits well in the story, graphically: his mix of portrait/caricature/cartoon human fits with the fact he is a quick-change artist-- you can interepret it different ways: a mask / part of the strange, alien world in which Donald can't find his marks, where the poor hapless duck is literally manipulated / the star of the show, who clearly stands out /... *** "Dangerous Disguise" SPOILERS *** The "ducks plunged in an alien world" trait is even greater in "Dangerous Disguisse", where the Ducks are forced to play spies. You can note that the human characters get more caricatural as the story progresses and the ducks find a way of turning the table and seizing back the control of a story in which they were mere pawns to start with; the change starts in the train, when they escape the beautiful Madame Triple-X. in fact, the master spy turns out to be, not only a funny-animal, but a dead-ringer for Donald! *** END SPOILERS *** More later if I can. >>> I think "Big-top Bedlam" is one of the best stories Barks have done. >>> Not because of the humans, but because of the manuscript. It is a quite >>> unusual story, although it has everything that a usual Barks-story has. >>> I can't really explain what I think, but at least I hope I have made >>> myself understandable! There's another interesting Blum article, on the Bedlamn story, in CBLoDDAiC Album 16. Olivier From thomas at duckburg.dk Wed Jan 7 16:32:29 2004 From: thomas at duckburg.dk (Thomas Pryds Lauritsen) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 16:32:29 +0100 Subject: humans in disney comics In-Reply-To: <200401071356.i07DuxV17139@d1o868.telia.com> References: <200401071356.i07DuxV17139@d1o868.telia.com> Message-ID: <3FFC268D.7010704@duckburg.dk> Hi Erik and everybody! Erik Bergwall wrote: > I recently read "Big-top Bedlam" (DDFC #300) by Barks. This is a comic > where almost everyone of the bi-characters are human. How many stories > like these did Barks do? I haven't seen another story like this one, > nor by Barks or anybody else (at least I don't recall I have). Quite funny; these minutes I was actually reading an article by Steffen Kronborg in Danish "Guldbog" #8 (a Swedish translation is printed in Swedish "Guldbok" #8) about that exact subject. The article talks about W OS 328-02 "In Old California" and says (translated from Danish by me, so inaccuracies may occur): "The development towards a greater level of realism in his drawings put Barks in a dilemma: was he to continue working towards an even more detailled line or was he to put more clarity into his drawings? As this book's other stories show, Barks chose to go for a bit simpler drawing style with fewer distracting details. The Disney Company's negative response to the very human facial features that Barks gave his minor characters during this period has undoubtfully been playing a role in this decision. Actually, several times Barks had formed his minor characters as real humans and was going to do so in 'In Old California'. But here, the employers forbid him that, and this prohibit is the cause of the curious contrast between the otherwise very human-like minor characters and their small, black dog noses." Another story with dog faces that pop into my mind is W OS 308-02 "Dangerous Disguise". Thomas -- Thomas Pryds Lauritsen From jerryblake2 at juno.com Wed Jan 7 18:11:18 2004 From: jerryblake2 at juno.com (Daniel J. Neyer) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 12:11:18 -0500 Subject: "I feel like building cities" Message-ID: <20040107.121118.-182059.0.jerryblake2@juno.com> This quote is from THAT'S NO FABLE (US 32), the Fountain of Youth story. ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From e_halinen at hotmail.com Wed Jan 7 20:52:19 2004 From: e_halinen at hotmail.com (Eero-Pekka Halinen) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 21:52:19 +0200 Subject: Disney 'remakes' Message-ID: >From: "Fabio Blanco" > > > The interesting thing with coincidences is: Given enough events, > > coincidences are bound to happen! In fact it is very, very unlikely that > > two such similar plots should appear independently at just about the > > same time. So there must be a reason - the obvious one being plagiarism. > > Or is it not? > >You mean The King Lion is not a copy of Kimba? Nor Atlantis a copy of >Secret >of Blue Water? oops, maybe I owe Disney an apologie... >;-) > It certainly seems that Disney gets ideas, and more than just that, from older non-Disney productions. You'd really think they had enough people there to figure out their own ones... Here's a link about the Lion King - Kimba thing (which you've probably seen already). http://www.kimbawlion.com/rant2.htm _________________________________________________________________ Flirttaile, rupattele, juorua tai vaihda kuulumisia n?yt?ss? tapahtuvissa keskusteluissa. Lataa ilmainen MSN Messenger. http://messenger.msn.fi From longtom at oeste.com.ar Wed Jan 7 21:41:15 2004 From: longtom at oeste.com.ar (Fabio Blanco) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 17:41:15 -0300 Subject: Disney 'remakes' References: Message-ID: <002701c3d55f$06c6b100$e37f37c8@fabio> > Here's a link about the Lion King - Kimba thing (which you've probably seen > already). > http://www.kimbawlion.com/rant2.htm No, I did just now. Is a very clear article, thanks... Is crazy they can steal that way... FABIO bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar From stratocruiser at cox.net Thu Jan 8 05:41:42 2004 From: stratocruiser at cox.net (Carey Furlong) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 20:41:42 -0800 Subject: Another Quiz Question In-Reply-To: <200401071101.i07B1L2n024721@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: > "I feel in the mood for BUILDING CITIES, boys!" > Which Barks story? Uncle Scrooge #32, "That's No Fable," page 2, panel 6, just before McDuck and the boys go off into Dismal Ooze Swamp in search of cheap land to develop. Instead, they discovered the Fountain of Youth and two hundreds-of-years old survivors from Poncey De Loon's exploratory party. This was a great adventure story. Carey Furlong Dana Point, California From germund_s at yahoo.com Thu Jan 8 09:43:33 2004 From: germund_s at yahoo.com (Germund Silvegren) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 00:43:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: Original Disney comic (strip) art Message-ID: <20040108084333.89871.qmail@web40020.mail.yahoo.com> Frank wrote: > Since I have > started collecting Disney original comic and > comic strip art (forcus is on Donald Duck pages, > strips, covers and Mickey Mouse strips) I am > wondering whether this might be the right forum > to meet people with the same interest. Nice, nice! I believe there are quite a few of us here who collect original Disney art. I collect mostly non-Disney art and over the years most of my Disney art has somehow been passed on to other collectors again. I do have a Taliaferro Donald daily, one Vicar and one excellent Van Horn page, a Paul Murry Mickey cover, some other Murry drawings and the pencil preliminary for DELL Mickey Mouse #31. If anybody is interested in the cover of Super Goof #22 (1972) I have that one for sale too. /Germund __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From cord at wiljes.de Thu Jan 8 14:41:32 2004 From: cord at wiljes.de (Cord Wiljes) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 14:41:32 +0100 Subject: Cover of WDC&S 639 Message-ID: <002c01c3d5ed$21107d00$0300a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> I just received my copy of WDC&S 639. The cover illustration by William Van Horn impressed me very much. Has there ever been a cover with Donald's head so prominently featured? Or created with less lines? There is so much of Donald's character in this image! You can see it here: http://www.gemstonepub.com/disney/product_images/5/1389/001_big.jpg Cord From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Thu Jan 8 15:08:28 2004 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 15:08:28 +0100 Subject: Original Disney comic (strip) art Message-ID: Germund wrote: > I believe there are quite a few of us here who collect > original Disney art. I'm taking this opportunity to mention the following: anyone who is interested in buying original artwork by Michel Nadorp (mainly covers, and mainly well-drawn 8-) can contact me in private e-mail. --Harry. Harry Fluks -- TNO Telecom -- Delft -- Nederland h.w.fluks at telecom.tno.nl -- http://dd50.inducks.org "Wie ben ik? Wat doe ik hier? Waar is mijn Roddelflop?" From jerryblake2 at juno.com Thu Jan 8 14:55:21 2004 From: jerryblake2 at juno.com (Daniel J. Neyer) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 08:55:21 -0500 Subject: New Quote Message-ID: <20040108.085521.-263563.1.jerryblake2@juno.com> "This steed is good for about a mile!" This line is from the Gyro Gearloose story where Gyro decides he is going to get away from machines and inventions and live the simple life on the desert. He even tells the Helper to get out of his sight, but he quickly finds how hard the simple life can be and finds himself in danger of dying of thirst. The Helper mounts a rabbit and rides to the rescue, which is where Daniel's quote comes in. The Helper collapses too, but is revived by a lightning strike, and manages to find the old prospector that Gyro had seen and held up as an example early in the story. The prospector sends his "assistants", a pair of robots, to bring Gyro in, and explains to Gyro that he is a scientist who came to the desert to escape from machines, but found he couldn't get along without them. This leaves poor, confused Gyro not knowing "whether I'm coming or going!" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040108/71741385/attachment.html From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Thu Jan 8 18:41:09 2004 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:41:09 +0100 Subject: Flipism Message-ID: In his story about Flipism (WDC 149), Barks consistently writes "Flipism" with one p, and "Flippist" with two p's. I know that these are not real English words, but are there examples of similar words in English where the -ism word is spelt differently from the -ist word? --Harry. (Did I ask this before? I don't remember...) Harry Fluks -- TNO Telecom -- Delft -- Nederland h.w.fluks at telecom.tno.nl -- http://dd50.inducks.org "Wie ben ik? Wat doe ik hier? Waar is mijn Roddelflop?" From shadz at email.com Fri Jan 9 01:27:31 2004 From: shadz at email.com (Shad Z.) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 17:27:31 -0700 Subject: TRON comic in Feb Message-ID: <20040109002731.4318.qmail@email.com> Have we discussed this? I don't remember... It's official. In Feburary, 88MPH Studios will join Gemstone and TokyoPOP (and Disney themselves, in Disney Adventures) as companies who publish Disney comics in America... And what Disney comic will 88MPH be doing? TRON! Specificly, they will be publishing a comic book based on the TRON 2.0 video game, which was based on the movie TRON. For more info, see http://www.88mphstudios.com/PPROJECTS/PTRON/tron_info.html -- Shad Z. ^Q^ http://shadz.homestead.com/files/ HONK TO SEE PUPPIES Sign along US 287, Loveland CO -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From shadz at email.com Fri Jan 9 08:50:47 2004 From: shadz at email.com (Shad Z.) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 00:50:47 -0700 Subject: Disney Adventures Volume 13, number 7 (September 2003) Message-ID: <20040109075047.32499.qmail@email.com> Disney Adventures Volume 13, number 7 (September 2003) OK, I'm starting this up again so Disney Adventures can be added to INDUCKS. If I can just send this info to someone directly and not bother DCML with it, let me know... Matt Feazell's contents page doodlings ("Dizzy Adventures") are given story code JZ756 1) Gorilla Gorilla": no title, JZ757, 1 page. Story and Art by Art Baltazar. Characters include Gorilla Gorilla (aka Gorilla) and Lizard Lizard (aka Lizard). NOTE: This is the first appearance of these new Disney comics characters. NOTE: The fact that Lizard Lizard and Lizard are actually the same being is not established in this story (although it is broadly hinted at). Later stories do make it clear that they are one and the same. 2) Society of Horrors: "The Monster Pet", JZ762, 4 pages. Story and art by Rick Geary. "Society of Horrors" is not a Disney property; it is copyright Rick Geary. 3) Kim Possible: "Saving Saturay!", JZ763, 2 pages. Story by John Green. Art by Disney TV Animation. Characters include Kim Possible, Jim Possible, Tim Possible, Dr. Possible (Kim's mom), Dr. Possible (Kim's dad) and Wade. NOTE: The art for this story is pre-existing Kim Possible promotional art, formatted to make a new comic story. 4) The Hair Pair: no title, JZ759, 1/2 page. Story and Art by Charly La Greca. "The Hair Pair" is not a Disney property; it is copyright Charly La Greca. 5) Finding Nemo: "A Dory Story!", no story code, 4 pages. No credits. Characters include Nemo, Marlin, Dory and Bruce. 6) Jet Pack Pets: "A Snowball's Chance", JZ760, 4 pages. Story by Michael Stewart. Pencils by Dave Tata. Inks by Scott Koblish. "Jet Pack Pets" is not a Disney property; it is copyright Michael Stewart & Garry Black. 7) The Last Laugh: "What Do Animals Do in Their Spare Time?", JZ455, 1 page. Written by John Green. Art by Charly La Greca. -- Shad Z. ^Q^ http://shadz.homestead.com/files/ HONK TO SEE PUPPIES Sign along US 287, Loveland CO -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Fri Jan 9 10:19:23 2004 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 10:19:23 +0100 Subject: Disney Adventures Volume 13, number 7 (September 2003) Message-ID: Shad Z. wrote: > OK, I'm starting this up again so Disney Adventures can be > added to INDUCKS. If I can just send this info to someone > directly and not bother DCML with it, let me know... USA indexes for Inducks can go directly to me. I wrote Shad a private mail about it, with more details. --Harry. Harry Fluks -- TNO Telecom -- Delft -- Nederland h.w.fluks at telecom.tno.nl -- http://dd50.inducks.org "Wie ben ik? Wat doe ik hier? Waar is mijn Roddelflop?" From SRoweCanoe at aol.com Fri Jan 9 13:40:12 2004 From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe@aol.com) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 07:40:12 EST Subject: Disney Adventures Volume 13, number 7 (September 2003) Message-ID: <6d.204f4217.2d2ffb2c@aol.com> In a message dated 1/9/2004 2:51:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, shadz at email.com writes: <> I certainly dont mind seeing them, rather like them steven rowe From kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net Fri Jan 9 15:31:28 2004 From: kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 09:31:28 -0500 Subject: Uncle Scrooge at Webfoot Tech Message-ID: <000301c3d6bd$4a19be70$3f24d044@youroxg2elbf6o> I was thumbing through some old comics a while back, and I think I came across a bit of Barks Scrooge history that wasn't in "The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck" (at least I don't remember it in there). In "September Scrimmage" (originally published in Mickey Mouse Almanac 1, 1957), Scrooge reveals that he played football at Webfoot Tech. On the second page of the story, he talks about playing "1870 football." I'm not much of a football nut, but I really like the thought of Uncle Scrooge going to college (especially since I'm a college instructor)! I was just curious if Don Rosa had ever commented on this biographical detail. I' don't own a copy of the "Life and Times" chapter where this information would have come up, so it might be in there in some shape or form. I am also interested in what the rest of you think concerning whether this biographical detail can or should exist with the other known details of Scrooge's life. Could the duck who left home at twelve have spent any time enrolled in college? Does imagining Scrooge as a student make us view other bits of his life differently at all? Just curious! Matt From silppuri14 at suomi24.fi Fri Jan 9 18:34:45 2004 From: silppuri14 at suomi24.fi (Lauri Jaakkola) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 19:34:45 +0200 Subject: Van Horn covers In-Reply-To: <200401091101.i09B192p020896@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <3FD524DB0002254F@webmail-fi5.sol.no1.asap-asp.net> >From: Cord Wiljes >Subject: Cover of WDC&S 639 >Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 14:41:32 +0100 >To: "Disney Comics Mailinglist (E-Mail)" > > >I just received my copy of WDC&S 639. The cover illustration by William >Van Horn impressed me very much. Has there ever been a cover with >Donald's head so prominently featured? Or created with less lines? There >is so much of Donald's character in this image! > >You can see it here: >http://www.gemstonepub.com/disney/product_images/5/1389/001_big.jpg > >Cord The covers made by William Van Horn are usually very simple ( I don?t know these stories? English names: That where Donald grows as big as the houses and that "pie-story".). These covers really are simple. I have my dad?s old Finnish Aku Ankka -comics and some of them are quite simple too. _______________________________________________________________________ Parhaat hakupalvelut yhdess? osoitteessa: http://www.eniro.fi/ Suomalaisten yritysten tuotteet ja palvelut: http://yritykset.eniro.fi/ From bi442 at lafn.org Fri Jan 9 19:36:45 2004 From: bi442 at lafn.org (Rob Klein) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 18:36:45 GMT Subject: No subject Message-ID: <200401091836.i09IaiXh033642@zoot.lafn.org> For Harry F.: The rule in proper English is that the consonant after a short vowel in a two syllable word should be doubled to keep the vowel short (e.g. preserve the relationship to the meaning of the root word). Applying that rule: "Flippist" is the correct spelling, but "Flipism" is incorrect. It should have been spelt: "Flippism". "Flipism" indicates an "ism" pertaining to "Flipe" (sounded with long I, as Fly-p). O ja, Harry,- je roddelflop is in Leidschendam! --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using the LA Free-Net - LA's best kept secret. http://www.lafn.org/ From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Fri Jan 9 20:31:42 2004 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 20:31:42 +0100 Subject: Flippism / Flipist References: <200401091836.i09IaiXh033642@zoot.lafn.org> Message-ID: <001c01c3d6e7$3646b9a0$79d6fdc1@computer> Rob: >>>> For Harry F.: >>>> The rule in proper English is that the consonant after a short vowel in a two >>> syllable word should be doubled to keep the vowel short (e.g. preserve the >>>> relationship to the meaning of the root word). ... but American english has its own rules-- regarding for instance the doubling of the L in the past tense of verbs (ex: (UK) travelled / traveled (US)). Have you found something specifically on -ist/-ism words in American, Rob? I have been trying to think of other examples, but can't find any pairs-- philanthropist (but philanthropy), harpist (but harp), ... Olivier, non-flippist From shadz at email.com Fri Jan 9 21:11:35 2004 From: shadz at email.com (Shad Z.) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 13:11:35 -0700 Subject: Disney Adventures Volume 13, number 7 (September 2003) Message-ID: <20040109201135.25189.qmail@email.com> From: "Shad Z." Subject: Disney Adventures Volume 13, number 7 (September 2003) > > Disney Adventures Volume 13, number 7 (September 2003) > > 7) The Last Laugh: "What Do Animals Do in Their Spare Time?", JZ455, 1 page. > Written by John Green. Art by Charly La Greca. Oops! That is the wrong story code. The correct story code for this story is JZ761 -- Shad Z. ^Q^ http://shadz.homestead.com/files/ HONK TO SEE PUPPIES Sign along US 287, Loveland CO -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From shadz at email.com Fri Jan 9 23:04:10 2004 From: shadz at email.com (Shad Z.) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 15:04:10 -0700 Subject: Disney Adventures Volume 13, number 8 (October 2003) Message-ID: <20040109220410.25733.qmail@email.com> Disney Adventures Volume 13, number 8 (October 2003) Matt Feazell's contents page doodlings ("Dizzy Adventures") are given story code JZ766 1) JZ767, 1 page, The Hair Pair: no title Story by Charly La Greca. Art by Charly La Greca. "The Hair Pair" is not a Disney property; it is copyright Charly La Greca. 2) JZ769, 7 pages, Kid Gravity: "Event Horizon!" Story by Landry Quinn Walker. Art by Eric Jones. Characters include Kid Gravity, Penny Galactica, Kid Apocalypse and the robot teacher. NOTE: This is the first appearance of these new Disney comics characters. 3) JZ770, 1 page, Gorilla Gorilla: no title Story by Art Baltazar. Art by Art Baltazar. Characters include Gorilla Gorilla and Lizard Lizard. 4) no story code, 6 pages, Finding Nemo: "Safe Swimming!" No credits. Characters include Nemo and Marlin. 5) JZ772, 1 page, Jet Pack Pets: "Pet Signal!" Story by Michael Stewart. Pencils by Dave Tata. Inks by Scott Koblish. "Jet Pack Pets" is not a Disney property; it is copyright Michael Stewart & Garry Black. 6) JZ771, 1 page, The Last Laugh: "The Best Movies You Never Saw!" Written by John Green. Art by Charly La Greca. -- Shad Z. ^Q^ http://shadz.homestead.com/files/ HONK TO SEE PUPPIES Sign along US 287, Loveland CO -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From shadz at email.com Fri Jan 9 23:13:38 2004 From: shadz at email.com (Shad Z.) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 15:13:38 -0700 Subject: Disney Adventures Volume 13, number 9 (November 2003) Message-ID: <20040109221338.31865.qmail@email.com> Disney Adventures Volume 13, number 9 (November 2003) Matt Feazell's contents page doodlings ("Dizzy Adventures") are given story code JZ773 1) JZ781, 4 pages, Brother Bear: "Got Game" Story by John Green. Pencils by Philip J. Allora. Inks by Jeff Albrecht. Characters include Kenai, Koda, Rutt & Tuke. 2) JZ774, 1 page, The Hair Pair: no title Story by Charly La Greca. Art by Charly La Greca. "The Hair Pair" is not a Disney property; it is copyright Charly La Greca. 3) JZ775, 2 pages, Kim Possible: "It Happened on Haunted Hill!" Story by Abby Denson. Pencils by Craig Rousseau. Inks by Jeff Albrecht. Characters include Kim Possible, Ron Stoppable, Bonnie Rockwaller, Tara Dupree, Rufus and the cheerleader with straight blonde hair and freckles. 4) JZ776, 1 page, Jet Pack Pets: "Short Cut!" Story by Michael Stewart. Pencils by Dave Tata. Inks by Scott Koblish. "Jet Pack Pets" is not a Disney property; it is copyright Michael Stewart & Garry Black. 5) JZ776, 1/2 page, Society of Horrors: "Tricky Treat!" No credits, but art is by Rick Geary. "Society of Horrors" is not a Disney property; it is copyright Rick Geary. 6) JZ778, 5 pages, Kid Gravity: "Stranger than Paradox!" Story by Landry Quinn Walker. Art by Eric Jones. Characters include Kid Gravity, Penny Galactica, Kid Apocalypse and the robot teacher. 7) JZ779, 1 page, Gorilla Gorilla: no title Story by Art Baltazar. Art by Art Baltazar. Characters include Gorilla Gorilla and Lizard Lizard. 8) JZ771, 1 page, The Last Laugh: "Meet the Scariest Fruits and Vegetables!" Written by John Green. Art by Charly La Greca and Sam Hill. -- Shad Z. ^Q^ http://shadz.homestead.com/files/ HONK TO SEE PUPPIES Sign along US 287, Loveland CO -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From cord at wiljes.de Sat Jan 10 00:01:27 2004 From: cord at wiljes.de (Cord Wiljes) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 00:01:27 +0100 Subject: AW: Van Horn covers In-Reply-To: <3FD524DB0002254F@webmail-fi5.sol.no1.asap-asp.net> Message-ID: <006401c3d704$83dc4dc0$0300a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> Cord wrote: >>I just received my copy of WDC&S 639. The cover illustration >> by William Van Horn impressed me very much. Lauri Jaakkola wrote: > The covers made by William Van Horn are usually very simple Which is exactly why I find them so impressive. I myself do not have the slightest artistic ability so I am always very amazed how much a few lines can express. Cord From bi442 at lafn.org Sat Jan 10 05:18:08 2004 From: bi442 at lafn.org (Rob Klein) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 04:18:08 GMT Subject: No subject Message-ID: <200401100418.i0A4I7Xh038678@zoot.lafn.org> For Olivier, Harry F. and anyone else interested in the now way off-topic thread concerning English grammar (Flipism/Flippist): I suggest that we move this discussion to DCML-Talk.org, as THIS is the very reason for which it was formed. By the way, - we've had almost NO ACTION there in the past few months. So this is a welcomed opportunity to remind DCMLers to bring their off-topic discussions there-so we can really get deeply into them! Rob K. --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using the LA Free-Net - LA's best kept secret. http://www.lafn.org/ From shadz at email.com Sat Jan 10 07:10:40 2004 From: shadz at email.com (Shad Z.) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 23:10:40 -0700 Subject: Disney Adventures: The Lion King Collector's Issue (Fall 2003) Message-ID: <20040110061040.4789.qmail@email.com> Disney Adventures: The Lion King Collector's Issue (Fall 2003) NOTE: This is not a digest-sized magazine. It is a standard-sized magazine (approx. 8.5 x 11 inches) 1) JZ764, 11 pages, The Lion King: "Simba's Rain" Story by Frank Strom. Art by Fabrico Grellet and Magic Eye Studios. Characters include Simba, Rafiki, Pumbaa, Timon, Shenzi, Banzai and Ed. 2) JZ765, 11 pages, The Lion King 1 1/2: "Rain Dance, Schmain Dance" Story by John Green and Michael Stewart. Pencils by Yancy Labat. Inks by Jeff Albrecht. Characters include Pumbaa, Timon, Simba, and Rafiki. NOTE: This story doesn't really have anything to do with "The Lion King 1 1/2" except that, just like "The Lion King 1 1/2" shows what Timon and Pumbaa were doing while Simba was carrying the main plot in "The Lion King", this story show what Timon and Pumbaa were doing while Simba was carrying the main plot in JZ764 (above). -- Shad Z. ^Q^ http://shadz.homestead.com/files/ HONK TO SEE PUPPIES Sign along US 287, Loveland CO -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From shadz at email.com Sat Jan 10 07:12:23 2004 From: shadz at email.com (Shad Z.) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 23:12:23 -0700 Subject: Disney Adventures Volume 13, number 10 (December/January 2003/2004) Message-ID: <20040110061223.5771.qmail@email.com> Disney Adventures Volume 13, number 10 (December/January 2003/2004) Matt Feazell's contents page doodlings ("Dizzy Adventures") are given story code JZ785 1) JZ784, 4 pages, The Haunted Mansion: "Cookie Creeps!" Story by Michael Stewart. Pencils by Steven Butler. Inks by Jeff Albrecht. Characters include Mr. Gracey, Madam Leota and many other characters that I know have names, but I don't know what their names are (sorry). 2) JZ785, 1 page, The Hair Pair: no title Story by Charly La Greca. Art by Charly La Greca. "The Hair Pair" is not a Disney property; it is copyright Charly La Greca. 3) JZ786, 6 pages, Pirates of the Caribbean: "The Capture of Jack Sparrow!" Story by Michael Stewart. Pencils by Bret Blevins. Inks by Jim Amash. Characters include Jack Sparrow, Cotton (and his parrot), Anamaria, Gibbs, Commodore Norrington, Elizabeth Swann, Will Turner and Scurvy Joe. 4) JZ778, 4 pages, Kid Gravity: "2-D or Not 2-D!" Story by Landry Quinn Walker. Art by Eric Jones. Characters include Kid Gravity, Penny Galactica, Kid Apocalypse and the robot teacher. 5) JZ788, 1/2 page, Brother Bear: "Beehive Yourself!" Story by John Green. Art by Phil Allora. Characters include Kenai, Koda, Rutt & Tuke. 6) JZ789, 1 page, The Last Laugh: "Try These New Extreme Winter Sports!" Written by John Green. Art by Charly La Greca. -- Shad Z. ^Q^ http://shadz.homestead.com/files/ HONK TO SEE PUPPIES Sign along US 287, Loveland CO -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From shadz at email.com Sat Jan 10 07:15:42 2004 From: shadz at email.com (Shad Z.) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 23:15:42 -0700 Subject: Disney Adventures Comic Zone (Winter 2004) Message-ID: <20040110061542.7798.qmail@email.com> Disney Adventures Comic Zone (Winter 2004) NOTE: This is not a saddle-stitched magazine. It is a perfect bound magazine (but it is still digest size) Matt Feazell's contents page doodlings ("Dizzy Adventures") are given story code JZ790 1) JZ791, 3 pages, Society of Horrors: "Cootie-Catcher Comics" No credits, but art is by Rick Geary. "Society of Horrors" is not a Disney property; it is copyright Rick Geary. NOTE: This comic can be cut out and folded into a "cootie-catcher" and this be made interactive. 2) JZ793, 4 pages, The Haunted Mansion: "Monster Makeover!" Plot by Michael Stewart. Script by Steve Behling. Pencils by Steven Butler. Inks by Jim Amash. Characters include Ramsley, Madam Leota and many other characters that I know have names, but I don't know what their names are (sorry). 3) no story code, 8 pages, Finding Nemo: "Hide and Seek!" No credits. Characters include Nemo, Pearl, Tad. Sheldon, Bruce, Chum, Anchor, Dory, Marlin and the school of sardines. 4) JZ794, 2 pages, Gorilla Gorilla: no title Story by Art Baltazar. Art by Art Baltazar. Characters include Gorilla Gorilla and Lizard Lizard. 5) JZ795, 10 pages, Pirates of the Caribbean: "Legend of the Aztec Idol!" Story by Michael Stewart. Art by Bret Blevins. Characters include Ragetti, Pintel, Bosun, Elizabeth Swann, Will Turner, Jack Sparrow and Gibbs. 6) JZ801, 4 pages, Lilo and Stitch: "Splashdown!" Story by Michael Stewart. Art by Disney Academia. Characters include Lilo, Stitch, Jumba, Pleakly, Sparky and Nani. 7) JZ797, 4 pages, Kim Possible: "Monumentally Evil!" Story by John Green. Pencils by Tom Bancroft. Inks by Howard Shum. Characters include Dr. Drakken (and his henchmen), Shego, Kim Possible, Ron Stoppable and Rufus. 8) no story code, 2 pages, Spy Kids: "That's Snow Spy!" No story credits. Art by Christine Norrie. "Spy Kids" is not a Disney property; it is copyright Miramax Film Corp. 9) JZ798, 4 page, Jet Pack Pets: "Catnapped!" Story by Michael Stewart. Art by Scott Koblish. "Jet Pack Pets" is not a Disney property; it is copyright Michael Stewart & Garry Black. 10) JZ804, 2 pages, Brother Bear: "Waterlogged!" Story by John Green. Pencils by Phil Allora. Inks by Jeff Albrecht. Characters include Kenai, Koda, Rutt & Tuke. 11) JZ805, 2 pages, The Crybabies: "The Lighter Side of Space!" Story by james dean conklin. Art by james dean conklin. "The Crybabies" is not a Disney property; it is copyright james dean conklin. 12) JZ799, 4 pages, Tony Hawk and Matt Hoffman: "The Hawk and the Condor!" Story by Stephen Timblin. Pencils by Kevin West. Inks by Mark McKenna. Characters include Tony Hawk, Matt Hoffman and the Paddle Master. NOTE: This story is the first appearence of R.E.A.L. (Radical Extreme Athletes League), an organization that protects the interests of extreme atheletes when they are thretened by more established sports. I assume that R.E.A.L. will become a blanket concept linking future stories starring extreme atheletes. NOTE: While Tony Hawk and Matt Hoffman are real people and not Disney characters, Disney does own this story, the Paddle Master and R.E.A.L. 13) JZ800, 4 pages, Kid Gravity: "The New Kid!" Story by Landry Quinn Walker. Art by Eric Jones. Characters include Kid Gravity, Kid Apocalypse, Jetboy, Jetgirl, the unnamed Zargian and the robot teacher. 14) a reprint of JZ616 15) JZ802, 2 pages, Lizzie McGuire: "Cell Phoney!" Story by John Green. No art credits. Characters include the cartoon Lizzie McGuire. NOTE: The art for this story is pre-existing Lizzie McGuire promotional art, formatted to make a new comic story. 16) JZ863, 5 pages, Home on the Range: "Maggie Mooves In" Story by Sheryl Scarborough. Art by Fabrico Grellet and Magic Eye Studios. Characters include Maggie, Mrs. Caloway, Grace and Jeb. 17) JZ807, 1/2 page, Rufus (from Kim Possible): "On the Hunt!" Story by John Green. No art credits. Characters include Rufus. NOTE: The art for this story is pre-existing Kim Possible promotional art, formatted to make a new comic story. 18) JZ806, 3 pages, The Last Laugh: "Three Signs Your Gym Teacher is the Loch Ness Monster!/What's Wrong With This Picture?/Is Your Best Friend a Robot? Check Each Item That Applies!/Check Out These Movie That were Never Made!" Written by John Green. Art by Jim Pallot, Ryan Dunleavey, Bob Harper and John Green. -- Shad Z. ^Q^ http://shadz.homestead.com/files/ HONK TO SEE PUPPIES Sign along US 287, Loveland CO -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From shadz at email.com Sat Jan 10 07:21:06 2004 From: shadz at email.com (Shad Z.) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 23:21:06 -0700 Subject: Disney Adventures Volume 13, number 9 (November 2003) Message-ID: <20040110062106.10875.qmail@email.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shad Z." > Disney Adventures Volume 13, number 9 (November 2003) > > > 3) JZ775, 2 pages, Kim Possible: "It Happened on Haunted Hill!" > Story by Abby Denson. Pencils by Craig Rousseau. Inks by Jeff Albrecht. > Characters include Kim Possible, Ron Stoppable, Bonnie Rockwaller, Tara Dupree, Rufus and the cheerleader with straight blonde hair and freckles. OK, I just discovered that the last character's name is Sarah -- Shad Z. ^Q^ http://shadz.homestead.com/files/ HONK TO SEE PUPPIES Sign along US 287, Loveland CO -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Sat Jan 10 13:54:43 2004 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 13:54:43 +0100 Subject: (slightly off-topic) Skeptics on-line References: <200401100418.i0A4I7Xh038678@zoot.lafn.org> Message-ID: <000601c3d778$eb5e9ec0$601efbc1@computer> I have just found that Barks' Skeptics Club (U$ 65, Sept '66) has a real-life equivalent. The Skeptical Enquirer reviewed in its latest issue The Skeptic's Dictionary ( http://www.csicop.org/si/2003-11/skeptic-dictionary.html ), and linked to the Skeptic's Dictionary's site: http://www.skepdic.com/ . I can't find any entry for "Micro-Ducks": does this mean they don't know about them, or that they do believe in their existence? ;) Olivier From donrosa at iglou.com Sat Jan 10 14:27:53 2004 From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 08:27:53 -0500 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 10 In-Reply-To: <200401100612.i0A6Bs2o005235@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: > From: "Matthew Williams" > Subject: Uncle Scrooge at Webfoot Tech > I was thumbing through some old comics a while back, and I think I came > across a bit of Barks Scrooge history that wasn't in "The Life > and Times of > Scrooge McDuck" (at least I don't remember it in there). In "September > Scrimmage" (originally published in Mickey Mouse Almanac 1, 1957), Scrooge > reveals that he played football at Webfoot Tech. On the second > page of the > story, he talks about playing "1870 football." I'm not much of a football > nut, but I really like the thought of Uncle Scrooge going to college I was well aware of this story when I did my "Lo$". But "my" $crooge certainly never went to college. He didn't have the money and he didn't have the time and he wasn't even in America during those years. I simply regard that as a Barks story that can't possibly fit into his own continuity or circumstances or his other stories and which I chose to disregard, such as "The Magic Hourglass"... or I see it as a story where $crooge is bragging about something that never really happened like the tale of the gold field where it was so hot the gold was melting... or, since the story appeared in a special issue, that the story was written by someone else such as the screwy tales that Barks drew but did not write that appeared in books like "Grandma's Farm Friends" in FOUR COLOR comics (even if that's not the case). But whatever the case, "my" $crooge McDuck did not go to college, and was, in fact, a grade school drop out, if he ever went to school at all, which is in itself is unlikely. He didn't need school since he had the ambition to teach himself more than could be spoon-fed to him along with all those other kids who are resisting knowledge as hard as they can. > From: Cord Wiljes > I myself do not > have the slightest artistic ability so I am always very amazed > how much a few lines can express. I also don't pretend to have the slightest artistic ability (only an irresistible and self-destructive urge to try very hard at doing something that I am not especially fit to do), so *my* specialty is expressing things with the *maximum* number of lines possible, thereby making sure I earn as little $ as possible per page and per hour. From kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net Sat Jan 10 15:39:59 2004 From: kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 09:39:59 -0500 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 10 Message-ID: <000301c3d787$a52fb5b0$4324d044@youroxg2elbf6o> Thank you, Mr. Rosa, for the fascinating and thought-out response! I would have been surprised if you had just accidentally overlooked the story. I'm still turning over how much I like the idea of Scrooge going to college myself. As a very satisfied reader of "Life and Times," it comes most naturally to me to think of Scrooge as a grade school dropout. There's something romantic in that notion oddly enough. It makes Scrooge seem even more self-made. I have known many older folks in my life that dropped out of school very early on and still have managed to acquire an incredible amount of knowledge and skill. I can't imagine most of America's dropouts today reaching the same plain! But as a community college instructor, I have had many older students who have had to fight tooth and nail to gain their education. I have had many folks who dropped out of middle or high school or had to leave because of unfortunate circumstances. These people often have to struggle to gain their high school equivalency and later struggle with college level work. Many of them struggle immensely to pay tuition and have to work harder then other students because of poor preparation for the college arena. Still, I am moved by these folks' hard work and thirst for knowledge. I like thinking of Scrooge as one of these determined, scrappy folks. Still, you are probably best to overlook the whole college bit. Equal education for all has been more of a later twentieth century fight, and I have serious doubts that Scrooge could have afforded an education during his pre-Klondike years. At any rate, thank you for your fascinating response! Matt From YMH at aol.com Sun Jan 11 03:18:11 2004 From: YMH at aol.com (YMH@aol.com) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 21:18:11 EST Subject: TRON comic in Feb Message-ID: <132.296c53cd.2d320c63@aol.com> Wha? What Disney comics does TokyoPOP publish? Just the Monsters, Inc. manga? -Yossi In a message dated 1/9/2004 6:02:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, dcml-request at stp.ling.uu.se writes: It's official. In Feburary, 88MPH Studios will join Gemstone and TokyoPOP (and Disney themselves, in Disney Adventures) as companies who publish Disney comics in America... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040111/ccba57e2/attachment.html From bi442 at lafn.org Sun Jan 11 09:23:13 2004 From: bi442 at lafn.org (Rob Klein) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 08:23:13 GMT Subject: Uncle Scrooge at Webfoot Tech Message-ID: <200401110823.i0B8NDXC051293@zoot.lafn.org> Unlike Don Rosa, who has a perfect right to ignore Barks' 4-pager stating that Uncle Scrooge attended Webfoot Tech (University) during the 1880s, I choose to accept that as fact. Barks wrote that story as well as having drawn it. When I asked him, in 1969,why he had Uncle Scrooge attending college around the same time he had informed readers that he was mining copper in Montana, he gave me the same answer that he gave to me many other times:- that he used whatever characters, setting or story events or props needed to make that individual story work. He did NOT have an overall plan or time line or "encyclopedia of what was already used" to refer to to assure against creating contradictions from one story to another. He told me that after having used Uncle Scrooges wealth or going on adventure to increase his wealth as the motivating force in almost all his previous stories, he decided to write a story using one of his other assets (wisdom and experience from old age). I prefer to believe that while in the Western USA, making his first fortune, Scrooge had a short lull between his copper mining in the early 1880s, and what he did in the later 1880s. He spent this time selling to Webfoot Tech students "crib notes" and toothpicks to hold their eyes open when studying for examinations late into the nights. Webfoot Tech was in Oregon. Barks had already told us the town of Webfoot was in Oregon. Oregon was the State just north of Calisota. He also showed us that the Webfoot River was north of Duckburg. He signed up as a student at Webfoot Tech, as the University had banned him from the campus for "soliciting" (trying to sell his wares). The only way he could provide his "services" to the students, was to become one, himself. In this way, he could build up his grubstake for his next fortune building venture. As a student, he was eligible to play on the school football team. As a feisty, competitive sort, he decided to join the team. With his crafty ideas, he could assure that they would win all their games, and by betting on his team to win, could thus, greatly increase his grubstake money. He used all the money made at Webfoot Tech to buy the land by the Duckburg River, where Old Fort Duckburg was. Rob Klein --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using the LA Free-Net - LA's best kept secret. http://www.lafn.org/ From ksaarto at mbnet.fi Sun Jan 11 09:27:54 2004 From: ksaarto at mbnet.fi (Kai Saarto) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 10:27:54 +0200 Subject: Disney Set to Close Animation Studio Message-ID: <4001090A.7000005@mbnet.fi> Well, this just sucks: SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - The Walt Disney Co. is expected to close a feature-animation studio in Orlando, Florida, on Monday, jeopardizing the jobs of nearly 260 animators, the Orlando Sentinel said. Some artists will be transferred to Burbank, California, where Disney's corporate headquarters is located, but most of the employees, whose credits include the films "Brother Bear" and "Lilo & Stitch," are expected to lose their jobs, the paper said on Saturday. Disney was a pioneer in hand-drawn animation, producing classic movies such as "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs," "Cinderella" and "Fantasia." In recent years, however, computer-generated animation has become increasingly popular as evidenced by movies like 2003's "Finding Nemo," made by Pixar Animation Studios. The underwater adventure was the top-grossing theatrical release in the United States last year, generating about $340 million. Disney distributed "Finding Nemo" and has a contract with the Emeryville, California-based company that expires at the end of next year. No one at Disney headquarters was available to comment. (Source: http://money.excite.com/ht/nw/bus/20040110/hle_bus-n10366236.html) From gianfranco.goria at fumetti.org Sun Jan 11 13:28:57 2004 From: gianfranco.goria at fumetti.org (Gianfranco Goria su fumetti.org) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 13:28:57 +0100 Subject: Help: I'm looking for... References: <200401111101.i0BB1a2n008827@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <01f401c3d83e$7c682d80$0100a8c0@Gianfranco> Hi! I'm collecting the National Geographic Magazine issues on which there are articles about comic art and artists. I alreday have the French edition about Carl Barks (june 2002) and about Herg?/Tintin (august 2001), and the Italian edition about Carl Barks and myself (july 2002). But I don't find anywhere the USA edition talking about Carl Barks and don't know if there are other issues of the kind. Even just the scans would be enough for me: can someone help me? Thanks anyway! Gianfranco Goria - www.fumetti.org - www.afnews.info - gianfranco.goria at fumetti.org From raptus at stofanet.dk Sun Jan 11 16:03:22 2004 From: raptus at stofanet.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Krarup_Olesen?=) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 16:03:22 +0100 Subject: Where to be [OT] In-Reply-To: <200401100418.i0A4I7Xh038678@zoot.lafn.org> References: <200401100418.i0A4I7Xh038678@zoot.lafn.org> Message-ID: <400165BA.7050900@stofanet.dk> ROB: > I suggest that we move this discussion to DCML-Talk.org, as THIS is > the very reason for which it was formed. By the way, - we've had > almost NO ACTION there in the past few months. Correct. However, the activity on this mailing list isn't that high either and frankly I like a few off-topic things to be discussed here once in a while--they make the list appear slightly less nerdish :-) Especially such topics that (although not strictly being about Disney) I believe are of general interest. A mail "stamped" with this small "[OT]" can easily be deleted either manually or automatically, besides, no one here reads all mails from A to Z anyway...or perhaps I am wrong. Hi, Harry! There is also the possibility to chat via our irc.inducks.org server (port 6667, /join #dcml). Several minor problems and discrepancies can be dealt with in no time. Discussions can be logged if requested etc. etc. Best, S?ren From shadz at email.com Sun Jan 11 18:55:03 2004 From: shadz at email.com (Shad Z.) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 10:55:03 -0700 Subject: TRON comic in Feb Message-ID: <20040111175503.5676.qmail@email.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: YMH at aol.com > > Wha? What Disney comics does TokyoPOP publish? Just the > Monsters, Inc. manga? They also do the Kim Possible and Lizzie McGuire "cine-manga" (their word for comics made from film stills), which I think counts as comics... -- Shad Z. ^Q^ http://shadz.homestead.com/files/ HONK TO SEE PUPPIES Sign along US 287, Loveland CO -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From ericchun at hotmail.com Sun Jan 11 21:24:26 2004 From: ericchun at hotmail.com (Eric Chun) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 12:24:26 -0800 Subject: Disney Set to Close Animation Studio Message-ID: Disney Set to Close Animation Studio <> _________________________________________________________________ Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN. http://wine.msn.com/ From cord at wiljes.de Fri Jan 9 21:50:43 2004 From: cord at wiljes.de (Cord Wiljes) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 21:50:43 +0100 Subject: AW: Disney Set to Close Animation Studio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c3d6f2$406e3560$0300a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> Continuing Walt's Legacy ORLANDO, FLORIDA (January 8, 2004) -- Legacy Animation Studios, a new animation production studio in Orlando, Florida, opens its doors in Winter Garden, Florida, close to Orlando later this month. The studio will offer a full-range of traditional hand drawn (or 2D) animation services for film, television and commercials. Legacy was established by a group of animators and artists formerly employed by Walt Disney Feature Animation Florida. Legacy will also be dedicated to developing original properties for television and film. In time the studio hopes to produce its first feature film project. "We believe that traditionally animated films are still a viable form of entertainment," says Legacy Animation Studios Directing Manager, Eddie Pittman. "Our goal is to create quality animated films with compelling stories and strong characters and to continue Walt Disney's legacy of hand drawn animation." The Legacy team has the talent to back up their claim, with the combined experience of over 25 animated films including The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, Mulan, and Lilo and Stitch. Pittman has worked on such animated features as Mulan, Tarzan, and Lilo and Stitch. He has taught for the renowned Computer Animation program at Ringling School of Art and Design, and his popular drawing classes taught around Central Florida have been recommended to aspiring animators by Walt Disney Feature Animation Florida. Recently, he produced and directed Legends of the Night Sky: Orion, the world's first full dome (360?) traditionally animated movie. Also joining the management team as Creative Director is veteran assistant animator David Nethery. Nethery has nearly 20 years of experience as an animation artist, most of those years at Walt Disney Feature Animation. His credits include such characters as "Meeko" the raccoon from Pocahontas, "Mushu" from Mulan, "Cobra Bubbles" from Lilo and Stitch, and most recently "Tug" and "Koda's Mom" from Brother Bear. Legacy currently has three projects in development, including a short film that will begin production in late January 2004. For more information, visit http://www.legacyanimation.net/ Cord From cord at wiljes.de Fri Jan 9 21:52:55 2004 From: cord at wiljes.de (Cord Wiljes) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 21:52:55 +0100 Subject: Mickey Mouse Leaves Disney Message-ID: <000501c3d6f2$8f21e9e0$0300a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> In a further sign of tension at the top of one of the nation's media giants, Walt Disney Co icon and executive vice president Mickey Mouse stepped down from the board of directors and, in a scathing letter, called on chairman and chief executive Michael Eisner to resign. "This has been the hardest decision I've ever made," Mickey wrote to Eisner. "But your egregious mismanagement has left me with no choice." More here: http://watleyreview.com/2003/120903-3.html Or was he laid off? Cord From kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net Sun Jan 11 23:57:47 2004 From: kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:57:47 -0500 Subject: TRON comic in Feb (Tokyopop) Message-ID: <000301c3d896$5aaff1c0$5f24d044@youroxg2elbf6o> I was just in K-Mart today, thumbing through a Lizzie McGuire comic (?) out of idle curiosity, and I saw an ad for a Finding Nemo comic adaptation coming soon. The ad was pretty light on details, though. I have the Monsters Inc adaptation, and it's kind of neat, but something about the whole big-eyed Manga style creeps me out. :) Matt From Joakim.Gunnarsson at egmont.se Mon Jan 12 09:22:21 2004 From: Joakim.Gunnarsson at egmont.se (Gunnarsson, Joakim SE - HMJ) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 09:22:21 +0100 Subject: Disney Italy & Creators' Rights Message-ID: Anyone on the list that can give a summary (in english) of the message about Italian creators rights that Gianfranco posted last week? Would be interesting to know what's happening. /Joakim. From Armando.Botto at elsag.it Mon Jan 12 09:31:18 2004 From: Armando.Botto at elsag.it (Botto Armando) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 09:31:18 +0100 Subject: Disney Italy & Creators' Rights Message-ID: From: Gunnarsson, Joakim SE - HMJ > Anyone on the list that can give a summary (in english) of the message about Italian creators rights that Gianfranco posted last week? Would be interesting to know what's happening. Here's a not-so-literal translation: << SILF/SLC/CGIL is the only Union in Italy taking care of workers in the area of comics, cartoons and illustration. It's a part of CGIL, the major Italian Union (5 million members). Since its foundation (Feb. 5th, 2000) SILF has been active in proposing law reforms (the one about copyright is currently being examined by the Parliament), in changing the status of workers in the field of creative professions (by making those professions officially recognized by the State, with consequent fiscal advantages and proper retirement plans), and in helping its members face and win a number of controversies. One of these controversies is that opposing Italian authors to Disney Italia, about the return of original drawings to the artists, and the payment of royalties for story reprints. Maybe because of the constant pressure from SILF, Disney Italia have already modified the contract they offer to authors for "productions with NON-classical characters", inserting royalties etc.; the same has not happened yet for "productions with classical characters (e.g., Mice and Ducks)". The assembly of authors has decided not to use strikes or public manifestations to get media support; instead, it was agreed to subdivide the controversy into two phases. Phase 1 will be about return of original drawings; Phase 2 will take care of royalties for reprints. We are currently nearing completion of the first step of Phase1: SILF's lawyer is about to send to Disney Italia a series of formal requests for immediate return of original drawings to the authors under SILF's tutelage. According to the Italian law, which is quite precise about that, those drawings are illicitly kept by Disney Italia. If, after receiving the requests, Disney Italia will be willing to discuss with SILF, Phase 1 could be closed with an out-of-court settlement; otherwise, a proper legal action will be taken. To have a rough idea of the value of the drawings in question, let's suppose 200 authors (or heirs of authors) are involved, and each of them has produced an average of 2,000 pages over 10 years of relationship with Disney. Considering an average price per page of 150 Euro, we obtain a total value of 60 million Euro (but the real figure is probably higher). It's evident that a legal action could turn into a financial disaster for Disney Italia (and maybe for the Walt Disney Co., major shareholder of Disney Italia). Phase 2 will be started immediately after the completion of Phase 1. The case of royalties for reprints, too, is contemplated by the Italian law in detail, and the amount of money involved is equally overwhelming. Also in this case, then, an out-of-court settlement is desirable (also for Disney Italia's survival). However, Disney Italia has abruptly stopped the meetings with SILF, and no further signals came from them. We are waiting to see their reactions to our lawyer's first letters. We are aware that the times could be rather long. Maybe a "strike" (like Don Rosa's, who obviously prevailed) would have been a shortcut, but the authors preferred to avoid such course of action, and they resolved to go for the legal action only after the unforeseen unilateral suspension of the meetings. SILF still hopes that Disney Italia, in front of our lawyer's requests, become again available to an agreement satisfactory for all the parts involved, without putting to risk the future of Disney in Italy. In fact, SILF has been (and still is) constantly notifying the company management its willingness to re-open the discussion table. Of course, such re-opening can take place anytime BEFORE the start of the (costly) legal procedures. It should be noted that similar controversies with other publishers have already been settled, obtaining both the return of the originals and the royalties on reprints. >> Ciao, Armando From sgarciab at soluziona.com Mon Jan 12 12:57:34 2004 From: sgarciab at soluziona.com (sgarciab@soluziona.com) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:57:34 +0100 Subject: Disney Italy & Creators' Rights Message-ID: Botto Armando: >>To have a rough idea of the value of the drawings in question, let's suppose 200 authors (or heirs of authors) are involved, and each of them has produced an average of 2,000 pages over 10 years of relationship with Disney. Considering an average price per page of 150 Euro, we obtain a total value of 60 million Euro (but the real figure is probably higher). In fact, 200 x 2,000 x 10 x 150 = 600 million Euro. (OK, it's overwhelming, anyway). BTW: 150 euro/page? It seems a very high price to me. What's that figure? Is it the amount which an author is paid for his/her work? Or is it the "market value" of the comics stuff owned by Disney? Thanks, Santiago. From Armando.Botto at elsag.it Mon Jan 12 15:17:43 2004 From: Armando.Botto at elsag.it (Botto Armando) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:17:43 +0100 Subject: Disney Italy & Creators' Rights Message-ID: Santiago wrote: >>To have a rough idea of the value of the drawings in question, let's suppose 200 authors (or heirs of authors) are involved, and each of them has produced an average of 2,000 pages over 10 years of relationship with Disney. Considering an average price per page of 150 Euro, we obtain a total value of 60 million Euro (but the real figure is probably higher). > In fact, 200 x 2,000 x 10 x 150 = 600 million Euro. (OK, it's overwhelming, anyway). Nope... I did not mean "2,000 pages per year", but "a total 2,000 pages distributed over 10 years". Two thousand pages per year means over 5 pages per day - you have to draw faster than your shadow in order to achieve such figures ;-) > BTW: 150 euro/page? It seems a very high price to me. What's that figure? Is it the amount which an author is paid for his/her work? Or is it the "market value" of the comics stuff owned by Disney? I guess Gianfranco should answer to this question, as I only translated what he wrote... Ciao, Armando From mgrhode at yahoo.com Mon Jan 12 15:24:52 2004 From: mgrhode at yahoo.com (Mike Rhode) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 06:24:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: Help: I'm looking for... (semi OT) In-Reply-To: <200401121100.i0CB0Y2o032562@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <20040112142452.15943.qmail@web60807.mail.yahoo.com> > Hi! I'm collecting the National Geographic Magazine > issues on which there > are articles about comic art and artists. Gianfranco, I can help you out a bit since my wife's one of their archivists. BTW, Louis Glanzman did a lot of illustrations for them, ala: Aikman, Lonnelle. 1975. Patriots in Petticoats [illustrated by Louis Glanzman]. National Geographic Magazine (October) > I alreday have the French edition about Carl Barks > (june 2002) and about > Hergé/Tintin (august 2001), and the Italian edition > about Carl Barks and > myself (july 2002)[I didn't know about this one!-MR]. But I don't find anywhere the > USA edition talking about > Carl Barks and don't know if there are other issues > of the kind. Even just > the scans would be enough for me: can someone help > me? Thanks anyway! Here's the answer to your main question: Unknown. 2002. No Mickey Mouse artist: Donald's illustrator looked to the Geographic [Carl Barks]. National Geographic (June) Here's others relevant to this group: De Roos, Robert and Thomas Nebbia (photographer). 1963. The magic worlds of Walt Disney. National Geographic (August): 159-207 Grosvenor, Melville Bell. 1963. Walt Disney: Genius of laughter and learning [editorial]. National Geographic (August): 157 Some others: Unknown. 2000. Out of this world [cartoonist turned explorer Anthony Fiala]. National Geographic (January) Su, Jennifer. 2002. 'Peanuts' gallery pays tribute to the art of Charles M. Schulz. National Geographic Traveler (September): EA3 and there was an Asterix bit in the 1960s that I don't have a citation for at the moment. One from their children's magazine: Donovan, Amy. 2000. Spotlight on... Charlie Brown ['Peanuts' in children's magazine]. National Geographic World (September): 27 Kiffel, Jamie. 2003. Anime-nia! Why Japanese anime is so hot in America. National Geographic Kids (January/February): 23-25 Anyone wanting a list of everything I've found so far can go to the Comics Research Bibliography at http://www.rpi.edu/~bulloj/comxbib.html but everything else is mostly a list of Louis Glanzman illustrated articles. Mike Rhode __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From Armando.Botto at elsag.it Mon Jan 12 16:17:14 2004 From: Armando.Botto at elsag.it (Botto Armando) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 16:17:14 +0100 Subject: Disney Italy & Creators' Rights Message-ID: I wrote: >> BTW: 150 euro/page? It seems a very high price to me. What's that figure? Is it the amount which an author is paid for his/her work? Or is it the "market value" of the comics stuff owned by Disney? > I guess Gianfranco should answer to this question, as I only translated what he wrote... Gianfranco answered to me privately (in Italian), here's what he wrote: << 150 Euros is the average "market value" of an original page in Italy (of course, originals by Scarpa, Carpi, Cavazzano, De Vita cost much more than that). And, once more, those pages are *not* "owned by Disney". According to the Italian law, publishers have no ownership of original art, unless explicitly specified by an "ad hoc" contract - and Disney Italia has never stipulated any contract of the kind. >> Ciao, Armando From lschulte at sfstoledo.org Mon Jan 12 18:33:18 2004 From: lschulte at sfstoledo.org (L. Schulte) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:33:18 -0500 Subject: School/Diligence/Animation In-Reply-To: <200401121100.i0CB0Y2n032562@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.1.20040112122455.00ab8670@10.0.0.8> Don Rosa mentioned "his" Scrooge never went to college, wanting to learn things on his own through hard work. It struck me today, looking at and meditating on some of my students' miserable efforts in various subjects, that there is a growing atmosphere in America that Scrooge would find appalling: getting rich quick through lotteries, gambling, or swindles. The fastest growing city in America right now is Las Vegas, a city that is based on the "entertainment industry", which should strike people as an odd phrase, but does not. If Disney is closing its animation studio because it thinks the animation style is at fault, Disney again is showing how out-of-touch it is. Pixar Studios is a success because of their stories, not the computer animation. "Brother Bear" was just not a very compelling story, more politically correct eco-fable than an inventive adventure like "Finding Nemo". -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Keep On Quacking, Arie Fachrisal PS about flipism, anyone out there ever try out flipism once in a while for some rl decisions? i tried that several times after reading the Barks story and fascinatingly(or stupidly) i sometimes still like to flip for those oh-not-so-important decisions nowadays. for me it's kinda fun (or maybe stupid in another's eyes but they prolly havent read the Barks story) :-P > From: Cord Wiljes > Subject: Mickey Mouse Leaves Disney > In a further sign of tension at the top of one of the nation's media > giants, Walt Disney Co icon and executive vice president Mickey Mouse > stepped down from the board of directors and, in a scathing letter, > called on chairman and chief executive Michael Eisner to resign. > > "This has been the hardest decision I've ever made," Mickey wrote to > Eisner. "But your egregious mismanagement has left me with no choice." > > More here: http://watleyreview.com/2003/120903-3.html > > Or was he laid off? > > Cord From fms27 at cam.ac.uk Mon Jan 12 20:21:27 2004 From: fms27 at cam.ac.uk (Frank Stajano) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:21:27 +0000 Subject: Mickey Mouse Leaves Disney + flipism In-Reply-To: <00a501c3d93b$4be1e860$65779eca@cien2> References: <200401121102.i0CB212p032623@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.1.20040112191959.0236a210@localhost> At 2004-01-12 18:35, Arie Fachrisal wrote: >public (kids) ? or is he a representative of the higher group of people in >Disney corp? sorry about this question but i just gotta ask. it's one of >those things about MM as rl character that i havent yet truly understand. It's just a satirical comment, a funny parody of earlier reports on the well-known RDisney vs Eisner dispute. Frank (filologo disneyano) http://www-lce.eng.cam.ac.uk/~fms27/ From max.baumgart at web.de Mon Jan 12 20:58:15 2004 From: max.baumgart at web.de (Maximilian Baumgart) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 20:58:15 +0100 Subject: Contradiction in terms in Lo$? Message-ID: Hi, firstly I want to say hallo to all the list members as this is my first mail to the DCML. But back to the subject. Today a friend of mine drew my attention to to facts said about Sir Eider McDuck in chapter I and V of "The life and times of $crooge McDuck" which seem to be contradictory. In chapter I's page ten says Sir Quackly McDuck about Sir Eider McDuck that he lost the battle in 946 because his soldiers left him as he had paid them only 30 copper coins (at least in the German translation by Peter Daibenzeiher). But in chapter V, page 10 Quackly and Sir Eider McDuck himself say that he lost the battle because he was lacking in arrows (again I can only speak of the German translation). Now I ask all of you and especially Mr. Rosa: Is this an error in translation, an mistake by Don Rosa or can it be that both facts are correct simultaneously? Best regards, Maximilian Baumgart. -- Erstellt mit M2, Operas revolution?rem E-Mail-Modul: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From Anthvvuono at aol.com Mon Jan 12 21:16:28 2004 From: Anthvvuono at aol.com (Anthvvuono@aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:16:28 EST Subject: Any new Gemstone comics for 2004 Message-ID: <33.42e56560.2d345a9c@aol.com> Does anybody know if Gemstone plans any new releases for 2004 whether they be new series, one-shots, or special collector's books? I hope that one day Gemstone will release a Don Rosa Lof$ book including additional chapters and commentary. In the meantime, I'm still waiting for the "new" long adventure stories in the U.S. including "Crown of the Crusader Kings" and the "Quest for Kalevala." Any chance they will appear in "Uncle Scrooge" this year? Sincerely, Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040112/4fcb19aa/attachment.html From kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net Tue Jan 13 01:09:56 2004 From: kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:09:56 -0500 Subject: School/Diligence/Animation Message-ID: <000301c3d969$997f5c00$7724d044@youroxg2elbf6o> L. Schulte wrote: >If Disney is closing its animation studio because it thinks the animation >style is at fault, Disney again is showing how out-of-touch it is. Pixar >Studios is a success because of their stories, not the computer >animation. "Brother Bear" was just not a very compelling story, more >politically correct eco-fable than an inventive adventure like "Finding Nemo". Ditto from me! Honestly, I took my little boy to see "Brother Bear" Saturday night, and I enjoyed it. Still, it pales in comparison to "Finding Nemo." There are so many little things not quite right about "Brother Bear." The modern, hip dialogue in the mouths of ancient people made me cringe a little. And were all the animal species in the film alive at the same time? Maybe that's carping, but the Pixar movies just seem to have so much heart and seems to be so well crafted. We've played "Finding Nemo" once every day in my house since Christmas (my little boy loves it!), and I still get teary eyed when Nemo learns from Nigel that Marlin is coming for him. "Finding Nemo" works as well for adults as it does children. The picture I get of Pixar from all of the bonus discs of the Monsters Inc and Finding Nemo DVDs reminds me greatly of the early Disney. I realize that this could easily be a phony, calculated image, but I'm eating it with a spoon. The greater Walt Disney Company just seems like a huge, faceless corporation now. I fear their days of masterpieces are done. How wonderful it is to be a Disney Comics fan! It's Disney, on a smaller scale, with more heart, and without the evil! Matt From sverre at pdq.net Tue Jan 13 06:47:07 2004 From: sverre at pdq.net (Sverre Amundsen) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 23:47:07 -0600 Subject: Gemstone Editorial Blunder in U$ 325 Message-ID: Hello, I'm a fairly new subscriber to the list. I'm a Norwegian living in the US and a Gemstone subscriber. I just received Uncle $crooge No 325 (January), and noticed a massive blunder in the editorial on page 1. It's a comment on the cover for the Don Rosa story that opens the issue... This is what John Clark writes: ..."I am sorry to say when I chose a cover for this issue, I did not realize a Norwegian cover by Don Rosa existed for this story.".... "For now, here is a small reproduction of the cover art as it appeared on Norway's Donald Duck monthly, Aku Ankka." Of course, any Norwegian will spot the mistake immedately, and so, I'm sure, will any Finnish reader. The cover reproduction shown even has a small URL printed on the side, www.akuankka.fi. I know it's quite common for Americans to mix up Norway and Sweden, but this is the first time I have seen Finland and Norway mixed up. Sverre -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From sgarciab at soluziona.com Tue Jan 13 11:04:38 2004 From: sgarciab at soluziona.com (sgarciab@soluziona.com) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:04:38 +0100 Subject: Disney Italy & Creators' Rights Message-ID: >>Nope... I did not mean "2,000 pages per year", but "a total 2,000 pages distributed over 10 years". Two thousand pages per year means over 5 pages per day - you have to draw faster than your shadow in order to achieve such figures ;-) All right. That way it would deserve 1500 euro/day :-) Santiago. From sgarciab at soluziona.com Tue Jan 13 11:07:53 2004 From: sgarciab at soluziona.com (sgarciab@soluziona.com) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:07:53 +0100 Subject: Disney Italy & Creators' Rights Message-ID: Botto Armando & Gianfranco: << 150 Euros is the average "market value" of an original page in Italy (of course, originals by Scarpa, Carpi, Cavazzano, De Vita cost much more than that). Ah, thanks for the answer. Santiago. From madsj at raptus.dk Tue Jan 13 15:24:22 2004 From: madsj at raptus.dk (Mads Jensen) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:24:22 +0100 Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 11, Issue 14 In-Reply-To: <200401130012.i0D0Br2p005698@numerus.ling.uu.se> References: <200401130012.i0D0Br2p005698@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <4003FF96.9020806@raptus.dk> Hi > Does anybody know if Gemstone plans any new releases for 2004 whether > they be new series, one-shots, or special collector's books? I hope that one > day Gemstone will release a Don Rosa Lof$ book including additional chapters > and commentary. In the meantime, I'm still waiting for the "new" long adventure > stories in the U.S. including "Crown of the Crusader Kings" and the "Quest > for Kalevala." Any chance they will appear in "Uncle Scrooge" this year? I remember that Gary Leach wrote on this list, that they've prepared the contents for the next half year or so, but that was a couple of months ago, I think. I've seen the cover for both US 328 (Forget It!) and US 329, and US 329 is not a Rosa cover, so I strongly presume this issue won't have any long Rosa stories in it, unless they don't know of the cover for the story! (Crown of the Crusader Kings) http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/biblio?inkey=62-0911903364-0 Another thing, if I am not mistaking Gary said that they might consider reprinting the Lo$ (albums), I sure hope they would print them with extra chapters and the commentaries Don wrote for them. Those comments always add a little dimension to the story! :-) Hopefully the previews for the next couple of issues will be availble on the web! Btw, Gemstone (Gary), is there any chance you would consider using the one-parter versions instead of using the three-part versions, when it comes to Don Rosa's stories ? > I'm a fairly new subscriber to the list. I'm a Norwegian living in the > US and a Gemstone subscriber. I just received Uncle $crooge No 325 > (January), and noticed a massive blunder in the editorial on page 1. > It's a comment on the cover for the Don Rosa story that opens the > issue... I'm a Dane, and I noticed it too :-) I just had a little laugh about it, but sure would have to have seen the cover used instead! Best wishes, Mads From rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com Tue Jan 13 15:36:18 2004 From: rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com (rodney-selfhelpbikeco@juno.com) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 14:36:18 GMT Subject: U$ 325 editorial blunder Message-ID: <20040113.063628.490.853535@webmail25.nyc.untd.com> >Of course, any Norwegian will spot the mistake immedately, and so, I'm >sure, will any Finnish reader. The cover reproduction shown even has a >small URL printed on the side, www.akuankka.fi. I'm an American, got my copy yesterday and frankly, I didn't notice it either. And I have a few different issues of Aku Ankka in my collection! Is my face red! Of course, I didn't read it yet, so I can claim that as an excuse. Last night I read DDA3 (which I also recieved yesterday. All of my Disney books arrive in one package), which has a good Scrooge story. I enjoyed it very much. I can't really say the same for the Donald story, which was just plain weird (though unique) in my mind. The Mickey story is alright though. rodney. ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From donrosa at iglou.com Tue Jan 13 16:47:02 2004 From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:47:02 -0500 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 14 In-Reply-To: <200401130012.i0D0Cg2o005745@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: > From: Maximilian Baumgart > Subject: Contradiction in terms in Lo$? > But back to the subject. Today a friend of mine drew my attention to to > facts said about Sir Eider McDuck in chapter I and V of "The life and > times of $crooge McDuck" which seem to be contradictory. In chapter I's > page ten says Sir Quackly McDuck about Sir Eider McDuck that he lost the > battle in 946 because his soldiers left him as he had paid them only 30 > copper coins (at least in the German translation by Peter Daibenzeiher). > But in chapter V, page 10 Quackly and Sir Eider McDuck himself > say that he > lost the battle because he was lacking in arrows (again I can only speak > of the German translation). Now I ask all of you and especially Mr. Rosa: > Is this an error in translation, an mistake by Don Rosa or can it be that > both facts are correct simultaneously? I like readers to try to find errors in my stories since they are reprinted so often and I can always correct the errors in future editions. But usually the "errors" can so often be explained away too easily: 1) The soldiers quit because they were underpaid *and* had no arrows. Or some quit for one reason and others quit for another. Or they were supposed to buy their own arrows but their low pay prevented it. The reasons are not mutually exclusive. 2) There was more than just one single battle in all of 946. 3) I did not want to use the same lame joke twice. > From: Anthvvuono at aol.com > Subject: Any new Gemstone comics for 2004 > I'm still waiting for the "new" > long adventure > stories in the U.S. including "Crown of the Crusader Kings" and > the "Quest > for Kalevala." Any chance they will appear in "Uncle Scrooge" this year? I guess they had to slow down on using my backlog of stories, otherwise they would run out too soon. In the first 6 months I think they used half of the backlog. But I'm helping organize printings for several stories right now. For example, Todd Klein, the best and most popular comics letterer in America, is currently lettering "The Sharpie of the Culebra Cut" and "Quest for Kalevala". (He doesn't simply "often" win the Eisner Award for "Best Letterer"... he *always* wins the Eisner Award for "Best Letterer".) Todd is a Duckfan from 'way back and personally volunteers to letter my stories for American appearances. Also I'm telling Gemstone of the various covers or pin-ups that I've done for various foreign printings -- if there are 2 or 3 such illustrations for a single story (which there almost always is), I'm told they will use one for the cover, one for the backcover and, if there is one, another somewhere in the interior. Meanwhile, I'll write texts about the story's creation. Like getting special edition DVDs, eh? From Armando.Botto at elsag.it Tue Jan 13 18:35:53 2004 From: Armando.Botto at elsag.it (Botto Armando) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:35:53 +0100 Subject: Gemstone plans Message-ID: Anthony wrote: > Does anybody know if Gemstone plans any new releases for 2004 whether they be new series, one-shots, or special collector's books? Talking of special collector's books, I remember reading a Steve Geppi interview in which he mentioned a possible chronological reprint of "Walt Disney's Comics and Stories"... are there any news on that front? Ciao, Armando From lschulte at sfstoledo.org Tue Jan 13 19:46:52 2004 From: lschulte at sfstoledo.org (L. Schulte) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:46:52 -0500 Subject: Forbes Fictional 15 In-Reply-To: <200401130011.i0D0Br2n005698@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.1.20040113134226.00ad4de8@10.0.0.8> I happened to come across this by chance: "Forbes" is an American business magazine, whose owner, Steve Forbes, once tried to run for president. Last year it apparently published the Forbes Fictional Fifteen, i.e. the richest fictional characters. Somehow Uncle Scrooge is listed as having "8.2" billion dollars, making him #4 on the list. For a slide show and more information: http://www.forbes.com/2002/09/13/400fictional.html From shadz at email.com Tue Jan 13 19:46:55 2004 From: shadz at email.com (Shad Z.) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:46:55 -0700 Subject: Disney's Kim Possible: Volume 1 Message-ID: <20040113184655.10295.qmail@email.com> OK, sine we've been talking about TOKYOPOP's "cine-manga", here's some info about the first Kim Possible book, so it can be added to INDUCKS. This is the only volume I have, so this is all the info I can supply... Disney's Kim Possible: Volume 1 This is a book, not a magazine, so it doesn't have a issue number or a date. The copyright date is 2003. The ISBN is 1-59182-145-2 Also, there are no credits on the individual stories. Since both stories are VERY close adaptations of TV episodes, I have listed the writers of the TV episode as writers of the story. Since all the art is directly from the TV show, I have listed Disney Television Animation as the artists. I know someone did all the hard work of selecting images and arranging then into a coherent comics story, but I can't figure out who did that from the credits given in the book. Here they are, in case you want to try: Series created by Bob Schooley and Mark McCorkle Editor: Jody Bryson Contributing Editor: Amy Court Kaemon Graphic Design & Lettering: Marcus Lindlahr Production Specialists: Monalisa de Asis, Anna Kernbaum, Paul Morrissey Additiona Layout: Raymond Makowski 1) no code, 44 pages, Kim Possible: "Bueno Nacho" Story by Julie Du Fine & Amanda Rudolph Schwartz. Art by Disney Television Animation. Characters include Kim Possible, Wade, Dr. Drakken (and henchmen), Ron Stoppable, Shego, Rufus, Dr. Possible (Kim's Dad), Dr. Possible (Kim's Mom) and Ned. 2) no code, 44 pages, Kim Possible: "Tick-Tick-Tick" Story by Bob Schooley & Mark McCorkle. Art by Disney Television Animation. Characters include Kim Possible, Ron Stoppable, Rufus, Mr. Barkin, Dr. Possible (Kim's Dad), Dr. Possible (Kim's Mom), Wade, Shego, Dr, Drakken, Vinnie, Big Mike, Bonnie (and some other cheerleaders) and Ned. -- Shad Z. ^Q^ http://shadz.homestead.com/files/ HONK TO SEE PUPPIES Sign along US 287, Loveland CO -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From revolution at telia.com Tue Jan 13 21:14:46 2004 From: revolution at telia.com (Erik Bergwall) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 21:14:46 +0100 Subject: Forbes Fictional 15 References: <5.2.0.9.1.20040113134226.00ad4de8@10.0.0.8> Message-ID: <002901c3da11$e41841c0$1d98d2d9@telia.com> It seems that they've taken the info from the TV-series DuckTales, even though I was not aware of that someone in these stories mention that Scrooge's fortune is 8.2 billion dollars. Or did someone do that? Where else could the information come from? /Erik ----- Original Message ----- From: "L. Schulte" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 7:46 PM Subject: Forbes Fictional 15 > I happened to come across this by chance: "Forbes" is an American business > magazine, whose owner, Steve Forbes, once tried to run for president. Last > year it apparently published the Forbes Fictional Fifteen, i.e. the richest > fictional characters. Somehow Uncle Scrooge is listed as having "8.2" > billion dollars, making him #4 on the list. For a slide show and more > information: > > http://www.forbes.com/2002/09/13/400fictional.html > > _______________________________________________ > http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml From timoro at hotmail.com Wed Jan 14 09:44:21 2004 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:44:21 +0200 Subject: Forbes Fictional 15 Message-ID: lschulte at sfstoledo.org: >Somehow Uncle Scrooge is listed as having "8.2" billion dollars, making him >#4 on Bah, humbug, mr. Forbes! Unca Scrooge can buy Santa himself. :-) Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ................................. "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ Nopea ja hauska tapa l?hett?? viestej? reaaliaikaisesti - MSN Messenger. http://messenger.msn.fi Lataa nyt k?ytt??si ilmaiseksi. From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Wed Jan 14 09:50:23 2004 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:50:23 +0100 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 14 Message-ID: Don Rosa wrote: > Also I'm telling Gemstone of the various covers or > pin-ups that I've done for various foreign printings Good. Maybe you can also tell them the difference between Norway and Finland... --Harry. Harry Fluks -- TNO Telecom -- Delft -- Nederland h.w.fluks at telecom.tno.nl -- http://dd50.inducks.org "Wie ben ik? Wat doe ik hier? Waar is mijn Roddelflop?" From gianfranco.goria at fumetti.org Wed Jan 14 13:21:03 2004 From: gianfranco.goria at fumetti.org (Gianfranco Goria) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:21:03 +0100 Subject: Thank You Mike Rhode! Message-ID: <043e01c3da98$e0dbef20$0100a8c0@Gianfranco> Image received! (I'll look for the cover in the net) Thank you (and Cathy!) very much! Just sorry to see that the USA National Geographic gave only 1 page to Carl Barks, while the Italian edition gave 2 pages to him (and immodestly me), and the National Geographic France published an article of 8 pages for Herg? (Tintin). I hoped for something better in his homeland, but, you know, "nemo profeta in patria"... From xephyr at cwnet.com Wed Jan 14 17:45:58 2004 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 08:45:58 -0800 Subject: Forbes Fictional 15 Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040114/4f8bfbef/attachment.pl From olaf at andebyonline.com Wed Jan 14 18:27:24 2004 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:27:24 +0100 Subject: Forbes Fictional 15 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: P? Wed, 14 Jan 2004 08:45:58 -0800, skrev Rich Bellacera : > I'm not so sure this article really spoils Scrooge's claim to fame, > though. I mean, doesn't he claim to be "The Richest DUCK in the World"? > Hence, he's still number ONE in that regard, right? > > The real mystery is still "who is the SECOND richest duck?" Is it > Glomgold or Rockerduck? Both have made this claim. Hey, what if they have almost the same amount, then they would pass by each other all the time (and thus having an internal fight about who's the second richest and who's the third richest duck). By the way: The Italian Rockerduck must be the most amazing business man I've ever seen. He's almost as rich as Scrooge - and he _stays_ almost as rich as Scrooge. Still, he's a spendthrift of dimensions! (at least compared to Scrooge) I find that pretty impressive, as that must mean he makes a whole lot more money than Scrooge does... From UNDBKB at aol.com Wed Jan 14 18:57:35 2004 From: UNDBKB at aol.com (UNDBKB@aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:57:35 EST Subject: Gemstone Blunder Message-ID: <1f1.1743705a.2d36dd0f@aol.com> > Also I'm telling Gemstone of the various covers or > >pin-ups that I've done for various foreign printings > > Good. Maybe you can also tell them the difference between Norway and > Finland... > I actually sent the message to John Clark and he said: Thanks. I'll make a correction in the editorial I'm writing for US 327. John Clark. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From bangfish at comcast.net Thu Jan 15 04:53:15 2004 From: bangfish at comcast.net (Gary Leach) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:53:15 -0500 Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 11, Issue 16 In-Reply-To: <200401141100.i0EB0Q2n020973@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <591A1AC0-470E-11D8-8E68-000393C28E48@comcast.net> Harry, > Good. Maybe you can also tell them the difference between Norway and > Finland... Norway?let's see, that's in Connecticut, right? And Finland's an amusement park in northern Arkansas, which, if I recollect, is a suburb of Tulsa, Oklahoma. They grow the world's largest beagles there, and there's this vast field of geysers called Mount Rushmore that Disney recently purchased to turn into a water attraction at EuroDisney (the capitol of Turkistan on alternate Tuesdays). Gary From Anthvvuono at aol.com Thu Jan 15 06:45:01 2004 From: Anthvvuono at aol.com (Anthvvuono@aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 00:45:01 EST Subject: Chapter 8B of LofS Message-ID: <1cc.17c51145.2d3782dd@aol.com> Dear Mr. Rosa, Is there any chance of you undertaking another Goldie and Scrooge tale as your next story or has that idea been placed on the backburner for a while? Do you have another one in mind instead? Sincerely, Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040115/febb4d84/attachment.html From eega at supereva.it Thu Jan 15 12:24:02 2004 From: eega at supereva.it (Eta Beta) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:24:02 +0100 Subject: Tycoons and laws In-Reply-To: <200401151101.i0FB0M2p016830@numerus.ling.uu.se> References: <200401151101.i0FB0M2p016830@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <19371209045546.7101@mail.tin.it> HARRY >AFAIK, the Italian Rockerduck is not always obeying the law... Well, neither is Scrooge... The implied concept here, I guess involuntarily but rather realistically, is that you don't make THAT kind of money by being honest... :-) Cheers! Eta Beta From Ola.Martinsson at ericsson.com Thu Jan 15 12:50:47 2004 From: Ola.Martinsson at ericsson.com (Ola Martinsson) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:50:47 +0100 Subject: Rockerduck In-Reply-To: <200401151101.i0FB1S2p016883@numerus.ling.uu.se> References: <200401151101.i0FB1S2p016883@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <40067E97.7030408@ericsson.com> > > AFAIK, the Italian Rockerduck is not always obeying the law... > > --Harry. Neither is the Italian $crooge. Ola in a cloudy Stockholm with a few cm of snow. From donrosa at iglou.com Thu Jan 15 14:41:00 2004 From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:41:00 -0500 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 17 In-Reply-To: <200401151101.i0FB1S2o016883@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: From: > > Also I'm telling Gemstone of the various covers or > > pin-ups that I've done for various foreign printings >>> Good. Maybe you can also tell them the difference between Norway and Finland... Aaa, we don't worry about that stuff over here. I told you about the time I was getting my mail from the mailbox (about 1/3 mile from my house) and an old neighbor was out working in his nearby garden (his house was some distance away in t'other direction); he spied an ANDERS AND issue that was in my mail and he asked me what language that was in. I said "Danish". He said, "Oh? What country is that from?". I said "Uuhhh...... Well, Denmark." He nodded and said, "Aahhh. Germany!" But I'll bring it closer to home for you: last weekend I went to the post office to mail some autographed comics to a fan in Amsterdam. The clerk was punching computer buttons trying to determine the overseas rate without success, and she said, "The Netherlands........ that's in Sweden, right?" I just rolled my eyes and said, "whooo knooows!" From cord at wiljes.de Thu Jan 15 14:56:09 2004 From: cord at wiljes.de (Cord Wiljes) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 14:56:09 +0100 Subject: AW: DCML Digest Issue 17 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003801c3db6f$55922600$0300a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> Don Rosa wrote: > last weekend I went to the post office to mail some > autographed comics to a fan in Amsterdam. The clerk was > punching computer buttons trying to determine the overseas > rate without success, and she said, "The Netherlands........ > that's in Sweden, right?" You might also be interested in this informative news from CNN, which seems to be authentic (but unconfirmed): http://www.biblioforum.de/images/diverse/cnn_switzerland.jpg Cord From are.myklebust at f1101.aetat.no Thu Jan 15 15:09:04 2004 From: are.myklebust at f1101.aetat.no (Myklebust,Are) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 15:09:04 +0100 Subject: July Fourth in Duckburg (1976) Message-ID: In Carl Barks' painting "July Fourth in Duckburg" (1976) (Code: CB 0IL 119) he has included caricatures of some real-life people of the comic fandom in USA. This is in fact Barks' only Disney painting with real persons instead of those animal-faced characters. There are seven persons (including a child) to the left and six persons to the right in the painting, a total of thirteen persons. My guess is that the tall guy in the cowboy hat to the left is Bruce Hamilton. I am sure we also will find Robert Overstreet, Mike Barrier and Malcolm Willits here too, without having any clue whom they are in the painting. Here are a couple of links to the painting: http://digilander.libero.it/carlbarks1/july%20fourth%20in%20duckburg.htm http://www.carl-barks.net/arlarge/ar26.html Can anyone please help to identify these persons!? Best, Are Myklebust (Norway) From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Thu Jan 15 19:03:14 2004 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 19:03:14 +0100 Subject: July Fourth in Duckburg (1976) References: Message-ID: <002301c3db91$d8ad9020$61f0fdc1@computer> Are: >>>> In Carl Barks' painting "July Fourth in Duckburg" (1976) (Code: CB 0IL >>>> 119) he has included caricatures of some real-life people of the comic >>>> fandom in USA. This is in fact Barks' only Disney painting with real >>>> persons instead of those animal-faced characters. Using the information in Dreidreizehn's 1997 Kalendar brochure, here's a list. I have a Word doc. version with a silhouette image that I made; jsut ask me if you want it and you think your conection/e-mail software can handle an early 1 Mb file. ON THE LEFT, LEFT TO RIGHT Donald Ault Elizabeth Barbara Boatner in front of him, snapping a picture Bruce Hamilton, in the cowboy hat Michael Barrier Don Phelps Russ Cochran and his son Vance ON THE RIGHT, BACK ROW, LEFT TO RIGHT Tony Dispoto Jerry Osborne Glenn Bray ON THE RIGHT, FRONT ROW, LEFT TO RIGHT Bud Plant Burrell Rowe Bob Overstreet Olivier From vazali at yahoo.com Fri Jan 16 03:16:40 2004 From: vazali at yahoo.com (Katie Sullivan) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 18:16:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: Geography, etc. In-Reply-To: <200401151100.i0FB0M2o016830@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <20040116021640.99631.qmail@web41509.mail.yahoo.com> > From: Gary Leach > Norway…let's see, that's in Connecticut, right? And Finland's > an > amusement park in northern Arkansas, which, if I recollect, is > a suburb > of Tulsa, Oklahoma. They grow the world's largest beagles > there, and > there's this vast field of geysers called Mount Rushmore that > Disney > recently purchased to turn into a water attraction at > EuroDisney (the > capitol of Turkistan on alternate Tuesdays). LOL!!! Very clever. It's sad and embarassing how abysmally horrible most Americans' geography skills are. I pride myself in being able to name just about any country in the world from just a blank map, as well as all 50 of the United States and their capitals, and the Canadian provinces. But I'm very much in the minority. I have my 7th grade social studies teacher to thank for most of that. He was very picky and strict, and boy, did I learn my stuff in his class. God rest his soul. > From: Anthvvuono at aol.com > Subject: Chapter 8B of LofS > > Dear Mr. Rosa, > Is there any chance of you undertaking another Goldie > and Scrooge tale > as your next story or has that idea been placed on the > backburner for a > while? Do you have another one in mind instead? *ears perk up* ;) Katie Sullivan http://www.sullivanet.com/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From are.myklebust at f1101.aetat.no Fri Jan 16 08:09:19 2004 From: are.myklebust at f1101.aetat.no (Myklebust,Are) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 08:09:19 +0100 Subject: July Fourth in Duckburg (1976) Message-ID: OLIVIER WROTE: ON THE LEFT, LEFT TO RIGHT Donald Ault Elizabeth Barbara Boatner in front of him, snapping a picture Bruce Hamilton, in the cowboy hat Michael Barrier Don Phelps Russ Cochran and his son Vance ON THE RIGHT, BACK ROW, LEFT TO RIGHT Tony Dispoto Jerry Osborne Glenn Bray ON THE RIGHT, FRONT ROW, LEFT TO RIGHT Bud Plant Burrell Rowe Bob Overstreet THANK YOU VERY MUCH OLIVIER!! I should off course have recognised Michael Barrier - holding a copy of his magazine "Funnyworld" (which I discovered after sending my mail). BTW, speaking about Michael Barrier, I highly recommend his web-site: www.michalbarrier.com Best, Are Myklebust From are.myklebust at f1101.aetat.no Fri Jan 16 08:24:37 2004 From: are.myklebust at f1101.aetat.no (Myklebust,Are) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 08:24:37 +0100 Subject: July Fourth in Duckburg (1976) - a correction! Message-ID: Oops..!! The correct address is: www.michaelbarrier.com Best, Are Myklebust From inverted_logic at hotmail.com Fri Jan 16 12:12:54 2004 From: inverted_logic at hotmail.com (Someone U Know) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 11:12:54 +0000 Subject: Egypt Has a New Disney Publisher at last (Mohamed Ameen Inverted Logic) Message-ID: hello everyone ,, Egypt got a new publisher and it will begine Publishing it first disney comic on 22/1/2004 Hope they do a goood job ,, i'm trying to get more info about them Thanks Mohamed Ameen _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From nils at math.uio.no Fri Jan 16 15:45:28 2004 From: nils at math.uio.no (Nils Lid Hjort) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 15:45:28 +0100 Subject: Timuktu / Tombouctou ? Message-ID: We all know that poor Donald, alone or with newphews, is being forced away from home, for longer or shorter time periods, when circumstances make it unbearable for him to stay in Duckburg. And where does he go? To Timbuktu [or Tombouctoo, or Timuctoo], in Mali, of all places. Would someone have a partial or complete reference list to Barks stories in which Donald has made this necessary retreat? -- There is also one story, I believe, which ends with Donald moving in the direction of a sign saying something like "Timbuktu: x miles" (where I have forgotten "x"). Have other authors followed this up, by the way? Has Don Rosa ever forced his characters on to this particular long and winding road? The official Mali spelling now seems to be "Tombouctou". Google gives Timbuktu: 219,000 hits, Timbuctoo: 7,900 hits, Tombouctou: 24,400 hits. See also http://www.manntaylor.com/timbuctoo.html for some information about this mysterious city and its history. Nils Lid Hjort From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Fri Jan 16 16:08:28 2004 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 16:08:28 +0100 Subject: Tim[b]uktu / Tombouctou ? Message-ID: Nils: > Have other authors followed this up, by the way? Dutch writers Wilma van den Bosch and Pascal Oost recently made a series of stories that show us what happens when Donald actually arrives in Timbuctoo ("Timboektoe"). Very educational stories about the culture in Northern Africa. These stories have, as far as I know, only been reprinted in Brazil. --Harry. Harry Fluks -- TNO Telecom -- Delft -- Nederland h.w.fluks at telecom.tno.nl -- http://dd50.inducks.org "Wie ben ik? Wat doe ik hier? Waar is mijn Roddelflop?" From fms27 at cam.ac.uk Fri Jan 16 16:13:29 2004 From: fms27 at cam.ac.uk (Frank Stajano) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 15:13:29 +0000 Subject: Timuktu / Tombouctou ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.1.20040116151125.02975fa8@localhost> At 2004-01-16 14:45, Nils Lid Hjort wrote: >Have other authors followed this up, by the way? Has Frequent in "old" (by now) Italian stories. One popular destination was a bear cave in the rocky mountains, I seem to recall (probably Cimino). Frank (filologo disneyano) http://www-lce.eng.cam.ac.uk/~fms27/ From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Fri Jan 16 17:24:23 2004 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 17:24:23 +0100 Subject: Tim[b]uktu / Tombouctou ? References: Message-ID: <001001c3dc4d$344167c0$fe21fdc1@computer> >>> Dutch writers Wilma van den Bosch and Pascal Oost recently made a series of stories that show us what happens >>>when Donald actually arrives in Timbuctoo ("Timboektoe"). Very educational stories about the culture in Northern >>>Africa. These stories have, as far as I know, only been reprinted in Brazil. Oh yes. That was a good idea. They were reprinted in Super Picsou G?ant last year. I will try and (remember to) find it. Olivier From comicchar_shop at yahoo.com Fri Jan 16 17:30:54 2004 From: comicchar_shop at yahoo.com (dennis books) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 08:30:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: addendum: July Fourth In Duckburg Message-ID: <20040116163054.4200.qmail@web12009.mail.yahoo.com> An interesting fact about this painting is that when it was finished, matted, and framed Carl discovered a major mistake that needed to be repainted. I will offer a nice prize to the first person who privately e-mails me best describing that mistake.I will try to post the answer in one week. anything for a duck...Dennis. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040116/f3411a5f/attachment.html From UNDBKB at aol.com Fri Jan 16 21:03:13 2004 From: UNDBKB at aol.com (UNDBKB@aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 15:03:13 EST Subject: Countries Message-ID: <1d4.189e8d34.2d399d81@aol.com> > Good. Maybe you can also tell them the difference between Norway and > Finland... > > Aaa, we don't worry about that stuff over here. > > . I said "Danish". He said, "Oh? What country is that from?". I said > "Uuhhh...... Well, Denmark." He nodded and said, "Aahhh. Germany!" > . The clerk said, "The Netherlands........ that's in Sweden, right?" > I just rolled my eyes and said, "whooo knooows!" > Don, other than you and maybe a few other Kentuckians, geography is not a strong suit for many Americans. But don't you lump all of us into those two experiences! Most people I know can tell you much more about Europe and world countries than your neighbor and (I shudder to say) your Post Office Worker! Your Buddy B. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040116/b3a8ba93/attachment.html From kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net Sat Jan 17 16:10:53 2004 From: kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 10:10:53 -0500 Subject: Egypt (and the Rest of the World Too) Message-ID: <000301c3dd0c$1dd83300$9324d044@youroxg2elbf6o> Thanks for the news! Are there original Egyptian-created Disney comics out there? Will this new publisher publish original stories? What are Disney comics like in Egypt? On a slightly different matter, I am currently trying to assemble a list of countries and publishers that create and publish original Disney comic stories (as opposed to reprints from other nations). I would appreciate any help anyone could offer me. Matt From goria at inrete.it Tue Jan 13 21:23:05 2004 From: goria at inrete.it (Gianfranco Goria) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 21:23:05 +0100 Subject: Thank You Mike Rhode! References: <200401131103.i0DB3E2n026859@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <00ca01c3da13$10bcfa80$0100a8c0@Gianfranco> Image received! (I'll look for the cover in the net) Thank you (and Cathy!) very much! Just sorry to see that the USA National Geographic gave only 1 page to Carl Barks, while the Italian edition gave 2 pages to him (and immodestly me), and the National Geographic France published an article of 8 pages for Herg? (Tintin). I hoped for something better in his homeland, but, you know, "nemo profeta in patria"... From jean-marc.bano at wanadoo.fr Fri Jan 16 21:32:43 2004 From: jean-marc.bano at wanadoo.fr (jeanmarcbano) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 21:32:43 +0100 Subject: Paerino anno 2001 Message-ID: <000a01c3dc6f$e4f2e4f0$994a3251@jmbano> Paperino anno 2001 aka Donald de Picsou ann?e 2001 - for France - ; i would like to know if someone could show me the first image of this story (published first in Topolino 309 if my memory is good), image which has been removed in the later versions of the story, i don't think the version published in Mickey Parade 735 bis was with the original beginning; greetings. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040116/5c0b0ccd/attachment.html From t.bruhn at onlinehome.de Mon Jan 12 20:46:49 2004 From: t.bruhn at onlinehome.de (Torsten Bruhn) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 20:46:49 +0100 Subject: Contradiction in terms in Lo$? Message-ID: Hi, firstly I want to say hallo to all the list members as this is my first mail to the DCML. But back to the subject. Today a friend of mine drew my attention to to facts said about Sir Eider McDuck in chapter I and V of "The Life an Times of $crooge McDuck" which seem to be contradictory. In chapter I's page ten says Sir Quackly McDuck about Sir Eider McDuck that he lost the battle in 946 because his soldiers left him as he had paid them only 30 copper coins (at least in the German translation by Peter Daibenzeiher). But in chapter V, page 10, Quackly and Sir Eider McDuck himself say that he lost the battle because he was lacking in arrows (again I can only speak of the German translation). Now I ask you and especially Mr. Rosa: Is this an error in translation, an mistake by Don Rosa or can it be that both facts are correct simultaneously? Best regards, Maximilian Baumgart. -- Erstellt mit M2, Operas revolution?rem E-Mail-Modul: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From jean-marc.bano at wanadoo.fr Sat Jan 17 19:18:24 2004 From: jean-marc.bano at wanadoo.fr (jeanmarcbano) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 19:18:24 +0100 Subject: Duckburg : Barks versus Italia Message-ID: <000a01c3dd26$4bdd35b0$addb3251@jmbano> it should be interesting to examine the differences between the landscape of the town of Duckburg in the Barks stories and the one in the italian stories; it seems to me that in the italian stories of Scrooge and Donald the town of Duckburg is more mediterranean than the city of ducks imagined by Barks, which seems to have more skyscrapers and big buildings and thus being more adequate to the american big cities. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040117/a6fbdbb9/attachment.html From marcobar at ds.unifi.it Sat Jan 17 17:53:32 2004 From: marcobar at ds.unifi.it (Marco Barlotti) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 17:53:32 +0100 Subject: Italian tycoons and the law In-Reply-To: <200401161104.i0GB3J2p023911@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040117175033.01e8a630@ds.unifi.it> At 12.24 15/01/2004 +0100, Eta Beta wrote: >HARRY > > >AFAIK, the Italian Rockerduck is not always obeying the law... > >Well, neither is Scrooge... > >The implied concept here, I guess involuntarily but rather >realistically, is that you don't make THAT kind of money >by being honest... :-) I can think of OTHER Italian tycoons who din't obey the law... The problems start when one of them becomes the Prime Minister! :-( OK, this is OT so I stop here... But I couldn't resist... Marco http://www.cce.unifi.it/~marcobar/Comics From cord at wiljes.de Sat Jan 17 23:43:22 2004 From: cord at wiljes.de (Cord Wiljes) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 23:43:22 +0100 Subject: Walt Disney Treasures DVDs - German Edition Message-ID: <007801c3dd4b$4fefb0e0$0300a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> In February the first two sets of the German edition of the Walt Disney Treasures DVD series will be published: http://www.dcml-talk.org/read.php?f=1&i=210&t=175 Cord From eega at supereva.it Sun Jan 18 12:22:36 2004 From: eega at supereva.it (Eta Beta) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:22:36 +0100 Subject: Walt Disney Treasures DVDs In-Reply-To: <200401181101.i0IB0U2p022161@numerus.ling.uu.se> References: <200401181101.i0IB0U2p022161@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <19371212045420.27777@mail.tin.it> CORD >In February the first two sets of the German edition of the Walt Disney >Treasures DVD series will be published: > > http://www.dcml-talk.org/read.php?f=1&i=210&t=175 That's not JUST good news... These are the only two titles I missed of the original american edition... In fact, it sounds almost too good to be true... especially at that price... There MUST be a catch, somewhere... :-) But I'm only half-joking, I wonder where they found the physical space to fit two more soundtracks in there... Oh, and please allow me a brief on-topic OT... :-) I just got the "Looney Tunes Golden Collection" 4-DVD set, and that's not bad, either... :-) Cheers! Eta Beta From cord at wiljes.de Sun Jan 18 13:09:30 2004 From: cord at wiljes.de (Cord Wiljes) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 13:09:30 +0100 Subject: AW: Walt Disney Treasures DVDs In-Reply-To: <19371212045420.27777@mail.tin.it> Message-ID: <001501c3ddbb$ee291b00$0300a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> Cord wrote: >> In February the first two sets of the German edition of the >> Walt Disney Treasures DVD series will be published: >> http://www.dcml-talk.org/read.php?f=1&i=210&t=175 Eta Beta wrote: > That's not JUST good news... > These are the only two titles I missed of the original american > edition... Or you could also buy the Italian edition :-) http://www.dcml-talk.org/read.php?f=1&i=214&t=175 But this costs twice as much as the German one - which also has an Italian sound track. It would be nice to know if there are any differences in content between the different countries's DVD sets. I suppose they will all have the same content but just differ in the language tracks they offer. The European sets of the "Disney Treasures" series may also be attractive for U.S. Disney fans because they have the additional language tracks (But beware: region 2 coding!). As far as I know the Disney shorts were dubbed into foreign languages directly by the Disney studios at the time of the cartoons' creation. So Clarence Nash lends his voice to Donald quacking in German - and Walt Disney to a Mickey who speaks in German (?). Does somebody know which localized versions where produced by the Disney studios back then? Cord From eega at supereva.it Sun Jan 18 13:44:14 2004 From: eega at supereva.it (Eta Beta) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 13:44:14 +0100 Subject: Walt Disney Treasures DVDs In-Reply-To: <001501c3ddbb$ee291b00$0300a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> References: <001501c3ddbb$ee291b00$0300a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> Message-ID: <19371212061558.6422@mail.tin.it> CORD >> That's not JUST good news... >> These are the only two titles I missed of the original american >> edition... > >Or you could also buy the Italian edition :-) >http://www.dcml-talk.org/read.php?f=1&i=214&t=175 > >But this costs twice as much as the German one - which also has an >Italian sound track. Yeah, it's difficult to understand the price difference, considering this is certainly the very same edition, with obviously "localized" packaging and interface... >It would be nice to know if there are any differences in content between >the different countries's DVD sets. I suppose they will all have the >same content but just differ in the language tracks they offer. I'm just checking that with a friend. BTW, my fear of missing contents in the EU editions was based on a previous, ascertained case with the 2-discs release of Snow White. In this case, however, the original editions occupy about 7 Gb of (each) disc space, I guess the 2 spare Gb available would be more than enough for a couple of soundtracks... Cheers! Eta Beta From spe at inducks.org Sun Jan 18 13:45:24 2004 From: spe at inducks.org (Stefan Persson) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 13:45:24 +0100 Subject: AW: Walt Disney Treasures DVDs In-Reply-To: <001501c3ddbb$ee291b00$0300a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> References: <001501c3ddbb$ee291b00$0300a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> Message-ID: <400A7FE4.6070305@inducks.org> Cord Wiljes wrote: > It would be nice to know if there are any differences in content between > the different countries's DVD sets. I suppose they will all have the > same content but just differ in the language tracks they offer. They also differ in the price, it seems. 8-) Stefan From eega at supereva.it Sun Jan 18 14:06:24 2004 From: eega at supereva.it (Eta Beta) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 14:06:24 +0100 Subject: Walt Disney Treasures DVDs In-Reply-To: <001501c3ddbb$ee291b00$0300a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> References: <001501c3ddbb$ee291b00$0300a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> Message-ID: <19371212063808.21696@mail.tin.it> A further addendum: I just checked for a british edition at Amazon, and there seems to be one, too, but only the first Mickey Mouse in Color appears to be pre-orderable, and release date is given as may 2004... Guess there's actually a bit of confusion with the so-called (I just learned :-) Third Wave there... Cheers! Eta Beta From donrosa at iglou.com Sun Jan 18 16:23:31 2004 From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 10:23:31 -0500 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 20 In-Reply-To: <200401181101.i0IB1P2o022197@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: > From: Torsten Bruhn > Subject: Contradiction in terms in Lo$? > But back to the subject. Today a friend of mine drew my attention to to > facts said about Sir Eider McDuck in chapter I and V of "The Life > an Times > of $crooge McDuck" which seem to be contradictory. Well... I answered this matter when you asked it on January 12th using a different e-mail address. From dve at kabelfoon.nl Sun Jan 18 17:21:41 2004 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 17:21:41 +0100 Subject: Islamic religion in Barks stories Message-ID: <20040118162015.32A5419FE1B@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> In panel 8.3 of "Pipeline to Danger (US 30), one of the pygmy ducks shouts: ""Allah Salimak!" Can this be counted as a reference to the Islam? Are there other stories in which Barks refers to the Islam? --- Dani?l "Unhand that gall, Two-gun Wolf!" (Which Barks story?) :-) From raptus at stofanet.dk Sun Jan 18 18:00:08 2004 From: raptus at stofanet.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Krarup_Olesen?=) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 18:00:08 +0100 Subject: Paerino anno 2001 In-Reply-To: <000a01c3dc6f$e4f2e4f0$994a3251@jmbano> References: <000a01c3dc6f$e4f2e4f0$994a3251@jmbano> Message-ID: <400ABB98.7050404@stofanet.dk> jeanmarcbano wrote: > Paperino anno 2001 aka Donald de Picsou ann?e 2001 - for France - ; i > would like to know if someone could show me the first image of this > story (published first in Topolino 309 if my memory is good), image > which has been removed in the later versions of the story, i don't > think the version published in Mickey Parade 735 bis was with the > original beginning; greetings. The first two original pages (by Gatto) look like this: http://raptus.dk/papanno2001_1.jpg http://raptus.dk/papanno2001_2.jpg The other cover is probably the one done by Perego in order to make the whole comic book one continuing story. S?ren From deanmary at worldnet.att.net Sun Jan 18 21:11:42 2004 From: deanmary at worldnet.att.net (deanmary) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 15:11:42 -0500 Subject: Duck merchandise + opinions on Daisy Message-ID: <000b01c3ddff$4d3ba7a0$c5134c0c@deanmary> I was at a Disney Store yesterday and actually found a Scrooge item! I don't think I have seen one in 5 or 6 years in a Disney Store! It is an over 12 inch tall plush Scrooge figure. There were only 2 there, so I have no idea if most Disney stores carry him or this was just an oddity. While his clothes are blue like in "DuckTales", other wise he is pretty good looking and looks more like the comic book Scrooge than most Disney items do. I also saw this item which is also available through the Disney catalog or online: http://disney.store.go.com/DSSectionPage.process?Merchant_Id=2&Section_id=14418&Product_Id=153989&Searchstr=donald&Page=1 Then in the Disney Catalog I found this neat item: http://disney.store.go.com/DSSectionPage.process?Merchant_Id=2&Section_id=14418&Product_Id=154004&Searchstr=donald&Page=2 This is a pretty neat snowglobe of Donald and the nephews. I ordered one last night! :) Finally, while looking online for the websites for the past 2 items, I came across this: http://disney.store.go.com/DSSectionPage.process?Merchant_Id=2&Section_id=14418&Product_Id=94009&Searchstr=donald&Page=1 This Donald Snowglobe was out a few years ago but disappeared really quickly. I see it for sale on Ebay now and then and it often goes for over $200 dollars! So this is a good deal if you are interested in it. I apologize if giving info on these Disney Duck items is off topic but I know that a number of people on the list collect Donald, Scrooge, etc. items. Now onto something more on topic. When I got the Donald and Daisy plush set it made me think of how I have read remarks on the list by people that do not care for Daisy. Is that the opinion of most people on the list? I would love to hear from people who like *or* dislike Daisy and why. I myself think she is the perfect foil for Donald and makes a great girlfriend for him. Just as Donald has so much for character then Mickey, I think Daisy has more character than Minnie. She certainly has no problems speaking her mind and can be mean to Donald at times. Of course Donald himself is known to have some problems with "anger management" now and then! :) Plus, Daisy keeps dating a guy who seems to have a new job almost every week! I don't think most women find that an appealing quality in a man! :) I'm curious what others have to think on this subject. Dean Rekich From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com Sun Jan 18 23:58:46 2004 From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 17:58:46 EST Subject: About Daisy Message-ID: <145.20b4509d.2d3c69a6@aol.com> Dean Rekich posted: Now onto something more on topic. When I got the Donald and Daisy plush set it made me think of how I have read remarks on the list by people that do not care for Daisy. Is that the opinion of most people on the list? I would love to hear from people who like *or* dislike Daisy and why. I myself think she is the perfect foil for Donald and makes a great girlfriend for him. Just as Donald has so much for character then Mickey, I think Daisy has more character than Minnie. She certainly has no problems speaking her mind and can be mean to Donald at times. Of course Donald himself is known to have some problems with "anger management" now and then! :) Plus, Daisy keeps dating a guy who seems to have a new job almost every week! I don't think most women find that an appealing quality in a man! :) I'm curious what others have to think on this subject. ------------------------------------------------------- Daisy having more character than Minnie. Let's not set the bar too high for Daisy eh? ;) I'll be blunt in saying that I think Daisy is more or less is a self-centered, selfish bitch most of the time. I mean, in how many stories does it seem that her love for Donald is only dependant on what he can buy her or something else to do with status. That attitude may or may not be somewhat true to life in a sense, but it doesn't make her any less of a bitch for it. She just mostly seems to care only for herself or what her 'status' women friends think of her. Like in the Carl Barks story where Donald is a fireman and is called out to fight fires when he and Daisy are dancing together. What does Daisy do? She goes with Gladstone who does nothing with his life at the earliest opportunity. She never gives Donald any respect and thinks that if his work isn't somehow glamorous, etc., then what he's doing is beneath him/her. And that's just one instance of many I could name against Daisy. Sure Donald has his times of being terrible, but more often than not he has good intentions and tries to do the right things, things which Daisy usually doesn't care about unless it means some piece of jewelry, etc. is in it for her. I just think she's an overall useless character that I don't like in the comics and wouldn't like if she was a real person. Maybe this is just a product of how the character has been used over the decades, but I don't have any use for her whatsoever. I hope I wasn't too subtle in getting my thoughts on the character across. ;) Derek Smith -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040119/a0452d98/attachment.html From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com Mon Jan 19 00:06:04 2004 From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 18:06:04 EST Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 11, Issue 14/Gemstone Future Comics Message-ID: <3a.437bd0c2.2d3c6b5c@aol.com> Mads posted: Hi > Does anybody know if Gemstone plans any new releases for 2004 whether > they be new series, one-shots, or special collector's books? I hope that one > day Gemstone will release a Don Rosa Lof$ book including additional chapters > and commentary. In the meantime, I'm still waiting for the "new" long adventure > stories in the U.S. including "Crown of the Crusader Kings" and the "Quest > for Kalevala." Any chance they will appear in "Uncle Scrooge" this year? I remember that Gary Leach wrote on this list, that they've prepared the contents for the next half year or so, but that was a couple of months ago, I think. I've seen the cover for both US 328 (Forget It!) and US 329, and US 329 is not a Rosa cover, so I strongly presume this issue won't have any long Rosa stories in it, unless they don't know of the cover for the story! (Crown of the Crusader Kings) http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/biblio?inkey=62-0911903364-0 Another thing, if I am not mistaking Gary said that they might consider reprinting the Lo$ (albums), I sure hope they would print them with extra chapters and the commentaries Don wrote for them. Those comments always add a little dimension to the story! :-) Hopefully the previews for the next couple of issues will be availble on the web! Btw, Gemstone (Gary), is there any chance you would consider using the one-parter versions instead of using the three-part versions, when it comes to Don Rosa's stories ? > I'm a fairly new subscriber to the list. I'm a Norwegian living in the > US and a Gemstone subscriber. I just received Uncle $crooge No 325 > (January), and noticed a massive blunder in the editorial on page 1. > It's a comment on the cover for the Don Rosa story that opens the > issue... I'm a Dane, and I noticed it too :-) I just had a little laugh about it, but sure would have to have seen the cover used instead! Best wishes, Mads ---------------------------------- Also, Gary emailed to me here at the DCML that they were working on a Mickey Mouse Adventures digest-sized comic along the lines of DDA for the summer. And if the one shot MMA is successful(buy as many copies as you can people!!! :) ) then it would become a bimonthly series like DDA, alternating months with DDA(i.e. DDA in July, MMA in August, repeat, etc.) Derek Smith -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040119/3e1683a7/attachment.html From jean-marc.bano at wanadoo.fr Mon Jan 19 01:19:47 2004 From: jean-marc.bano at wanadoo.fr (jeanmarcbano) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 01:19:47 +0100 Subject: Paperino anno 2001 Message-ID: <000701c3de21$f28efcd0$b0ec3151@jmbano> Thanks for the information Soren; the french version of this story was published in 1966 in Mickey Parade 735 bis with a new edition in 1976; this is a little bit a shame that the original beginning has been replaced by something different because this kind of original image is like a mysterious sign of what is going to happen and increases the suspense; in an another story published in Mickey Parade 1016 bis, at the beginning of the ludicrous story about a fake flying saucer called 'Oncle Picsou et la Soucoupologie - uncle Scrooge and the science of flying saucer' there is as well a full page picture which anticipates the rest of the story; to come back to Paperino anno 2001, this is an important and bizarre story because it introduces an historical aspect, a time dimension in the lives of Donald and Scrooge which seems to lack in the previous stories and particularly in Barks too; Barks often talks about the past of Scrooge, the nostalghia seems to be a part of his inspiration for the character, but at one point in the time, the ducks are what they are for ever; but in Paperino anno 2001, for the first and last time the story shows us the future of the ducks and the death of Scrooge like in a sort of nightmare; one of the kids says at the end of the story, after they escaped both the Donald and the beagles boys of the future : 'they disappeared, like some ghosts of the future', and really, this is exactly what they are since the ducks are stuck for ever in an endless present. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040119/e3b27aee/attachment.html From madame82 at hotmail.com Mon Jan 19 03:30:01 2004 From: madame82 at hotmail.com (Madame Jennifer Inantaz) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 20:30:01 -0600 Subject: Opinions on Daisy~ Message-ID: Lurker here, Daisy has to be one of my least favorite characters. And I'm pretty much in agreement with ZeldasTriforce, she's self-centered (to say the least). But I can't say she's a worthless character. Maybe she would be if she had a story soley devoted to her. Look at Gladstone Gander, how exciting is having everything you want dropped at your feet? Characters like Daisy and Gladstone are meant play catalysts for "main" characters like Donald, Scrooge, HD&L, etc.. Daisy plays the nagging "girlfriend", and Donald falls for it, if not from the start, in the end! But you have to ask yourself, "what if she wasn't like she is?". The situation might be the other way around, or, the stories would turn out like some toddler television show (all sweet and sugary, it'd make you sick)! She plays her part. I think that's why so many <-(wishful thinking) Disney duck fans are attracted to the ravishing, think-for-herself "Glittering" Goldie. Maybe if Daisy chucked the gigantic bow? I've known no era where that was in style... at _@ ~*OchaGirl*~ Who suddenly is being swarmed by Daisy fans that she never knew existed. . . _________________________________________________________________ Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! http://shopping.msn.com/softcontent/softcontent.aspx?scmId=1418 From lgiver at pacbell.net Mon Jan 19 10:11:28 2004 From: lgiver at pacbell.net (Larry Giver) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 01:11:28 -0800 Subject: Scrooge always obeying the law?? Message-ID: <6.0.0.14.1.20040119005154.01d35200@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Marco Barlotti suggested that probably Scrooge did not always acquire his wealth legally, along with Glomgold and Rockerduck. Of course we know the slogan, "he made it square", but I was troubled by Barks' last story, "Horsing Around with History", drawn by W. VanHorn, (Gladstone's Uncle Scrooge Adventures 33, July 1995). In this story, Scrooge discovers the Trojan Horse, and moves it in complete secrecy into his money bin, supposedly to foil the Beagle Boys. But isn't he also keeping it secret from the authorities of the country where he found it (Turkey or Greece?)? Isn't Scrooge in this story engaged in smuggling? I don't think this could happen in a Don Rosa story. From kyrimis at alumni.princeton.edu Mon Jan 19 11:08:38 2004 From: kyrimis at alumni.princeton.edu (Kriton Kyrimis) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:08:38 +0200 Subject: Scrooge always obeying the law?? In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.14.1.20040119005154.01d35200@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> References: <6.0.0.14.1.20040119005154.01d35200@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <400BACA6.9020503@alumni.princeton.edu> LARRY: > But isn't he > also keeping it secret from the authorities of the country where he > found it (Turkey or Greece?)? Isn't Scrooge in this story engaged in > smuggling? In other stories, Scrooge gets (or plans to get) into some kind of agreement with the local government, so that he can keep part of what he found (e.g., in the philosopher's stone story). This may make it sound that he is obeying the law, but I can't help thinking that this is a euphemism for *bribing* the government to turn a blind eye, as such an agreement would be illegal. E.g., all that archaeologists excavating in Greece are allowed is the right of first publication; anything they find belongs to Greece. Kriton. ----- "One does not wish to be devoured by alien monstrosities, even in the cause of political progress!" ----- -- Kriton. ----- "One does not wish to be devoured by alien monstrosities, even in the cause of political progress!" ----- From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Mon Jan 19 11:36:11 2004 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:36:11 +0100 Subject: the Rest of the World Too Message-ID: Matthew Williams: > I am currently trying to assemble a list of > countries and publishers that create and publish original Disney comic > stories (as opposed to reprints from other nations). I would > appreciate any help anyone could offer me. Have a look at: http://bolderbast.inducks.org/xproduct.html or http://bolderbast.inducks.org/xpoverv.html "Even if you don't want to know anything about story codes, the links may contain interesting information." --Harry. Harry Fluks -- TNO Telecom -- Delft -- Nederland h.w.fluks at telecom.tno.nl -- http://dd50.inducks.org "Wie ben ik? Wat doe ik hier? Waar is mijn Roddelflop?" From jean-marc.bano at wanadoo.fr Mon Jan 19 12:00:22 2004 From: jean-marc.bano at wanadoo.fr (jeanmarcbano) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:00:22 +0100 Subject: Scrooge always obeying the law?? Message-ID: <000601c3de7b$6f5dae60$e7da3251@jmbano> I think the world of Scrooge is necessary a world where the administration and the rules of the countries governments are less effective than in the reality; that is for this reason he can do all the things he does, and Duckburg shouldn't be the place it is, with all these sorts of intrigues, with all the regulations which exists in the real world; for example, in the italian stories, they were talking a lot about that, Scrooge and Donald often used to have some ridiculous problems with the administration, in a particular story, Scrooge must make the proof that he no longer have the legal age to do his military service, he goes to an administration, he must have the proof in a short period of time, he is very nervous, and the administration agent gives him an awful bunch of papers to complete in order to prove his age legally. I absolutely don't say all the regulations are bad, but in the world of Duckburg they should be a brake for the action. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040119/5c2f6e0a/attachment.html From jean-marc.bano at wanadoo.fr Mon Jan 19 13:50:00 2004 From: jean-marc.bano at wanadoo.fr (jeanmarcbano) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:50:00 +0100 Subject: Paperino anno 2001 Message-ID: <000701c3de8a$c08f0f40$d2fff951@jmbano> I don't know if the image is too little, here is a picture of the beginning of the french version of the story published in 1966, Mickey Parade 735 bis (image from the new edition 1976) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040119/7410e7a7/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: donald de picsou en l'an 2001 20.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 972 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040119/7410e7a7/donalddepicsouenlan200120.jpg From dve at kabelfoon.nl Mon Jan 19 14:25:14 2004 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:25:14 +0100 Subject: Scrooge always obeying the law?? Message-ID: <20040119132345.1711BBE71F@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> LARRY GIVER, 19-01-2004: > Marco Barlotti suggested that probably Scrooge did not always acquire > his wealth legally, along with Glomgold and Rockerduck. Of course we > know the slogan, "he made it square", but I was troubled by Barks' > last story, "Horsing Around with History", drawn by W. VanHorn, > (Gladstone's Uncle Scrooge Adventures 33, July 1995). In this story, > Scrooge discovers the Trojan Horse, and moves it in complete secrecy > into his money bin, supposedly to foil the Beagle Boys. But isn't he > also keeping it secret from the authorities of the country where he > found it (Turkey or Greece?)? Isn't Scrooge in this story engaged in > smuggling? Maybe he made a legal arrangement in between some panels? :-) Is this the only Barks story in which Scrooge doesn't inform the authorities of a country where he finds a treasure or other material? I suspect it has happened in other stories as well, but I'm not sure. Scrooge isn't so honest as he wants us to believe. In many of Barks's stories, Scrooge uses dirty tricks to get his way. He's so selfish, that the few warm moments are cherished as the highlights of his life. And those highlights don't tell a full story. They don't rule out the negative sides of Scrooge's way of life. So, saying that Scrooge has always "made it square", is inconsistent with his character. If Scrooge makes such a claim himself, he's ignorant or simply telling lies. Maybe he wants to give himself a good name by being dishonest. That's what lots of big bosses and big companies do. No matter what has happened, they always have been fair. And otherwise there must have been some unfortunate misunderstandings or human errors somewhere along the line. They'll never say that they tried to misguide people on purpose. Even the misunderstandings and human errors are mostly only admitted when there's a public/juridical pressure on them. > I don't think this could happen in a Don Rosa story. Why not? Rosa's Scrooge can be *very* mean, cold, and selfish. Rosa's Scrooge often hurts people, or simply doesn't care when they are hurt. An example of such a victim is his own family member Donald Duck. Just try to list the Rosa stories in which Scrooge is unfair to Donald. And how do Donald's wages compare to his work, which is full of stress and pure danger? Scrooge as honest person? Humbug! Scrooge's "big boss" attitude of being shady at best, is what makes him interesting to me. --- Dani?l "Unhand that gall, Two-gun Wolf!" (Which Barks story?) :-) From vidar-svendsen at c2i.net Mon Jan 19 15:04:43 2004 From: vidar-svendsen at c2i.net (Vidar Svendsen) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:04:43 +0100 Subject: Islamic religion in Barks stories In-Reply-To: <20040118162015.32A5419FE1B@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20040119145834.00c0d220@popw.c2i.net> At 17:21 18.01.2004 +0100, you wrote: >Can this be counted as a reference to the Islam? >Are there other stories in which Barks refers to the Islam? Sure. And jinnees are mentioned in "Cave of Ali Baba" (US 37-02). Roc mentioned in "Rug Riders in the Sky" (US 50-01) belongs to Arabian legends (not Islam, but close enough?) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Vidar Svendsen http://home.c2i.net/vidarland/ "Nothing travels faster than the speed of light with the possible exception of bad news, which obeys its own special laws." From jerryblake2 at juno.com Mon Jan 19 16:58:30 2004 From: jerryblake2 at juno.com (Daniel J. Neyer) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:58:30 -0500 Subject: Barks quote Message-ID: <20040119.110518.-522503.2.jerryblake2@juno.com> "Unhand that gal, Two-gun Wolf!" (Which Barks story?)" This one is from the Night Watchman story--Donald dreams that he is rescuing Daisy from "Two-Gun", starts shooting in his sleep, and unwittingly routs a group of gangsters. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040119/1849032a/attachment.html From dve at kabelfoon.nl Mon Jan 19 18:22:11 2004 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 18:22:11 +0100 Subject: Barks quote Message-ID: <20040119172048.C6AAD19FE96@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> DANIEL NEYER to me, 19-01-2003: > "Unhand that gal, Two-gun Wolf!" > (Which Barks story?)" > This one is from the Night Watchman story--Donald dreams that he > is rescuing Daisy from "Two-Gun", starts shooting in his sleep, > and unwittingly routs a group of gangsters. This is impossible! I can't believe that you found it so fast. Yes, it's the night watchman story (WDC 89). Hrmphf! :-) --- Dani?l "Stop! You don't know what you're doing to yourself" (Which Barks story?) :-) From madsj at raptus.dk Mon Jan 19 20:17:38 2004 From: madsj at raptus.dk (Mads Jensen) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:17:38 +0100 Subject: Free Comic Book Day ? Message-ID: <400C2D52.7060900@raptus.dk> Hi Does anybody know if Gemstone will be participarting in the Free Comic Book Day (FCBD) on July 3rd this year ? As there are people owning comic shops on this list, I would like to know if it benefits the comic publishers to participate in the FCBD ? Best wishes, Mads From max.baumgart at web.de Mon Jan 19 22:09:52 2004 From: max.baumgart at web.de (Maximilian Baumgart) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:09:52 +0100 Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 11, Issue 21 In-Reply-To: <200401182301.i0IN0n2p020828@numerus.ling.uu.se> References: <200401182301.i0IN0n2p020828@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: Don Rosa wrote on Sun, 18 Jan 2004 10:23:31 -0500: > Well... I answered this matter when you asked it on January 12th using a > different e-mail address. Yes, I'v read your answere (thx!), this second mail was an mistake, I choose at first the wrong e-mail-adress (my father's one - we use the same mail program) to send this issue to the list - I wonder because this mail schouldn't be appear here, as the other adress wasn't registered in the DCML by me (or my father) and I wonder why it appears here nearly a weeck after it was sended to the DCML... -- Erstellt mit M2, Operas revolution?rem E-Mail-Modul: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From lpj at forfatter.dk Mon Jan 19 22:32:07 2004 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:32:07 +0100 Subject: Biquinho Message-ID: <00a301c3ded4$3dd973c0$36779dd9@idb3156> Hi everyone. Plowing my way through Inducks, I came across this: "B 850077 7 - Faz de conta que eu conto - Biquinho - Irineu Soares Rodrigues - December 26, 1985 - 3-tier - BIQ tells complicated tale about his life before being found by FE - - -" "Found"? Is Biquinho not a biological nephew of Fethry's? Lars From lpj at forfatter.dk Mon Jan 19 22:31:26 2004 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:31:26 +0100 Subject: Don + Meeting Message-ID: <00a201c3ded4$3d086820$36779dd9@idb3156> Anders Christian (AC) Sivebæk wrote: > our [DDF(R)] fanzine. Is there any chance you could put the 'zine up on the Net for us non-members to read? Lars From cord at wiljes.de Mon Jan 19 22:37:27 2004 From: cord at wiljes.de (Cord Wiljes) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:37:27 +0100 Subject: AW: DCML Digest, Vol 11, Issue 21 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000501c3ded4$6fbe95a0$0300a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> Maximilian Baumgart wrote: > I wonder because this mail shouldn't be appear here, > as the other adress wasn't registered in the > DCML by me (or my father) and I wonder why it appears here > nearly a weeck after it was sended to the DCML... Emails sent from email accounts which are not registered are held back by the mailing list software for moderator approval. The moderator (Per) frequently checks these mails - which can well be a week after it was initially sent. Most are spam but sometimes a valid Mail (like yours) is among the nunch. Once the moderator approves the Mail goes out to the list. Cord From hanskped at yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 07:28:08 2004 From: hanskped at yahoo.com (Pedersen Hans) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:28:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: WDC&S #4 - complimentary copy? Message-ID: <20040120062808.71788.qmail@web80207.mail.yahoo.com> I've been curious about this and would be interested in hearing from other collectors who own a copy? I noticed recently that my own appears to have been a reading copy in a dentist's office in Illinois. Thanks for any clues, Hans From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com Tue Jan 20 08:38:52 2004 From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 02:38:52 EST Subject: Top 300 US Comics December Sales Message-ID: <1ca.180b1334.2d3e350c@aol.com> Hi all! 205. Donald Duck and Friends #311 6,194 209. Uncle Scrooge #325 6,056 212. Mickey Mouse and Friends #260 5,937 221. Walt Disney's Comics and Stories #640 5,284 And for graphic novels, DDA shows up again!! 8. Donald Duck Adventures #3 3,933 Not too bad, though I wish DDA had sold like it did in it's premiere issue. Looks like DD&F has established itself as the most popular comic. WDC&S seems to be lagging behind the others(though at this level, 'lagging behind' is like in the hundreds of copies, so it's relative). http://www.icv2.com/articles/home/4107.html http://www.icv2.com/articles/home/4106.html Derek Smith -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040120/cbbb9242/attachment.html From ordi at tekpro.it Tue Jan 20 08:26:43 2004 From: ordi at tekpro.it (Ordi_sas) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:26:43 +0200 Subject: WDC&S #4 - complimentary copy? In-Reply-To: <20040120062808.71788.qmail@web80207.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Do you need a scan of cover? Paolo Bontempi > Da: Pedersen Hans > Data: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:28:08 -0800 (PST) > A: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se > Oggetto: WDC&S #4 - complimentary copy? > > I've been curious about this and would be interested in hearing from > other collectors who own a copy? I noticed recently that my own appears > to have been a reading copy in a dentist's office in Illinois. > > Thanks for any clues, Hans > > _______________________________________________ > http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml > From hanskped at yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 09:57:23 2004 From: hanskped at yahoo.com (Pedersen Hans) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:57:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: WDC&S #4 - complimentary copy? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040120085723.60773.qmail@web80208.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Paolo, If you have a copy, I'd be very interested in any unusual markings it might have? Also, I don't have a copy of the ordinary version so I am curious if the content/indicia is different? Below is a scan of the lower back cover of my own copy (I got the state wrong). http://www.hhkkpp.com/wdcs4_mb.jpg Thanks, Hans --- Ordi_sas wrote: > Do you need a scan of cover? > Paolo Bontempi From donrosa at iglou.com Tue Jan 20 16:02:59 2004 From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:02:59 -0500 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 23 In-Reply-To: <200401200637.i0K6aQ2o030729@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: > From: "Daniel van Eijmeren" > Subject: Re: Scrooge always obeying the law?? > > I don't think this could happen in a Don Rosa story. > > Why not? Rosa's Scrooge can be *very* mean, cold, and selfish. Just > try to list the Rosa stories in which Scrooge is unfair to Donald. And > how do Donald's wages compare to his work, which is full of stress and > pure danger? > Scrooge as honest person? Humbug! Come now. The man was talking about $crooge being a criminal, not merely mistreating his exploitable nephew. I don't know what other writers do with $crooge, but "my" $crooge McDuck is not a lawbreaker. You'll notice that he *always* turns in the treasures he finds in my stories to the local governments or landowners. From Danehog at aol.com Tue Jan 20 17:37:41 2004 From: Danehog at aol.com (Danehog@aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:37:41 EST Subject: Regarding Free Comic Book Day Message-ID: <1d2.182516d1.2d3eb355@aol.com> Mads wrote: >As there are people owning comic shops on this list, I would like to >know if it benefits the comic publishers to participate in the FCBD? As far as I can tell, the only benefit to comic shop retailers is the hopeful improvement of sales, which is obviously why FCBD exists in the first place. And as far as I know, every retailer has to pay for the books that they are giving away for free, so if anything, there is an anti-benefit. Still, the whole concept seems to be working. I was impressed by last year's wide range of titles, but I think Gemstone would have benefited much more if they would have released the $3 comics before (or with) the $7 issues. I can see small children picking up the FCBD issue and instantly being "turned off" by an ad for $7 comic books. I don't know how I got off on that. I'm done now. Dane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040120/442c6cd8/attachment.html From dve at kabelfoon.nl Tue Jan 20 17:38:31 2004 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:38:31 +0100 Subject: Scrooge obeying the law Message-ID: <20040120163700.B604E19FF7E@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> DON ROSA to me, 20-01-2004: >> Rosa's Scrooge can be *very* mean, cold, and selfish. Just try to >> list the Rosa stories in which Scrooge is unfair to Donald. And how >> do Donald's wages compare to his work, which is full of stress and >> pure danger? >> Scrooge as honest person? Humbug! > Come now. The man was talking about $crooge being a criminal, not > merely mistreating his exploitable nephew. As I understood it, the subject was about Scrooge always obeying the law. And so I answered that Scrooge doesn't always do that. > I don't know what other writers do with $crooge, but "my" $crooge > McDuck is not a lawbreaker. You'll notice that he *always* turns in > the treasures he finds in my stories to the local governments or > landowners. Turning in treasures to local governments is indeed according to the law. But that doesn't necessarily mean that Scrooge is always obeying the law on other points. Molesting people is against the law. So, in that light, Scrooge *is* a lawbreaker. Maybe such a molested person should go to the police, and complain about Scrooge. But I wonder if that would be of any help, trying to get tycoon Scrooge arrested for his molesting. In at least one of your stories, 'Attaaack!' (F PM 00201), Scrooge has powers over of both the army and the police. He simply phones them and reminds them that he owns the bank that manages the pension fund for the entire police department, and that he pays most of the taxes for the army's salaries. After having made these hazy comments, Scrooge orders the entire police force and the army to come to his money bin. And little later, Scrooge orders the army's general to fire, which results in promptly blasting every building in range to smithereens. These actions strongly suggest that, at least in Duckburg, Scrooge has shady connections with the authorities. At least with the police and the army. If this isn't a corrupt situation, it's at least awfully close to it. Would a victim of Scrooge have change to file a complain at the police department, while that same Scrooge can promptly call away the entire police force, simply because he *thinks* he's in danger? Maybe your Scrooge doesn't really break the law. But he does play with it, in a way that a lot of rich companies and tycoons seem to do. --- Dani?l "Stop! You don't know what you're doing to yourself" (Which Barks story?) :-) From UNDBKB at aol.com Tue Jan 20 17:45:33 2004 From: UNDBKB at aol.com (UNDBKB@aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:45:33 EST Subject: Free Comic Book Day Message-ID: > Hi > > Does anybody know if Gemstone will be participarting in the Free Comic > Book Day (FCBD) on July 3rd this year ? That has not yet been announced. > > As there are people owning comic shops on this list, I would like to > know if it benefits the comic publishers to participate in the FCBD ? It does help the publishers who get out comics to people who would not have otherwise purchased them. They may later want to buy ( which did happen last year) other issues or new issues of that title. If Gladstone does participate, I will again offer issues to anyone interested. Barry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040120/c92241e5/attachment.html From dve at kabelfoon.nl Tue Jan 20 17:53:56 2004 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:53:56 +0100 Subject: P.S. (Scrooge obeying the law) Message-ID: <20040120165229.7DA2DBEB95@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> I just wrote: > Would a victim of Scrooge have change to file a complain at the police > department, while that same Scrooge can promptly call away the entire > police force, simply because he *thinks* he's in danger? I meant to ask if a victim of Scrooge would have a CHANCE to file a complaint. Needing "change" to file a complaint at the police department, would be a corrupt situation on its own. :-) --- Dani?l "Stop! You don't know what you're doing to yourself" (Which Barks story?) :-) From UNDBKB at aol.com Tue Jan 20 17:50:59 2004 From: UNDBKB at aol.com (UNDBKB@aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:50:59 EST Subject: WDC&S #4 Message-ID: <16d.26c4429c.2d3eb673@aol.com> > I noticed recently that my own appears > to have been a reading copy in a dentist's office in Illinois. > > Thanks for any clues, Hans > The complimentary copy has a special designation. I can tell you that Barbers, Dentists and Doctor's offices were the places to find comics to read during that time. If the subscription copy you scanned is a complimentary copy, ( Overstreet says) it was sent to former subscribers of Mickey Mouse Magazine, which could very likely be the case for this subscriber who would have had reading material in his lobby for customers. Barry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040120/68f461b0/attachment.html From timoro at hotmail.com Tue Jan 20 18:34:14 2004 From: timoro at hotmail.com (timo ronkainen) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:34:14 +0200 Subject: Scrooge obeying the law Message-ID: > > Come now. The man was talking about $crooge being a criminal, not > > merely mistreating his exploitable nephew. How would Scrooge (or Disney) react if Donald joins labor union? :-) Scrooge should pay wages that are generally agreed between employers and unions. If not, he's criminal. Timo ^^''*''^^ Cartoonist - writer - donaldist - Timo Ronkainen ---------------- - YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- - 20540 Turku ------------------- - Finland ----------------------- - timoro at hotmail.com timoro at sunpoint.net ?? Personal: http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/ ?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus: http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/ ?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali: http://www.kvaak.fi ................................. "Rumble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!" _________________________________________________________________ Nopea ja hauska tapa l?hett?? viestej? reaaliaikaisesti - MSN Messenger. http://messenger.msn.fi Lataa nyt k?ytt??si ilmaiseksi. From SRoweCanoe at aol.com Tue Jan 20 19:27:00 2004 From: SRoweCanoe at aol.com (SRoweCanoe@aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:27:00 EST Subject: Regarding Free Comic Book Day Message-ID: <54.20c59733.2d3eccf4@aol.com> In a message dated 1/20/2004 11:40:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, Danehog at aol.com writes: >I can see small children picking up the FCBD issue and instantly being "turned off" by an ad for $7 comic books.< I cant see small children caring about the price. SEVEN, THREE - all the same to them (hey, dad, this shoe is only $200 - get it for me) steven rowe From sdebeer at talk21.com Tue Jan 20 20:57:33 2004 From: sdebeer at talk21.com (Simon de Beer) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:57:33 -0000 Subject: Countries Message-ID: <000a01c3df8f$a623fe80$b280fea9@custompc> Europeans seem very critical of the geography of Americans. However I find that many people I come into contact with in the 'BIG' countries, most Western European countries have a pretty poor world geography. When I say I come from Zimbabwe, they say, 'oh you mean South Africa'. and I say no, Zimbabwe, formerly Rhodesia, and they say, yes South Africa......' ....people in glass houses..?? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040120/611d5fbd/attachment.html From cord at wiljes.de Tue Jan 20 21:30:52 2004 From: cord at wiljes.de (Cord Wiljes) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 21:30:52 +0100 Subject: Disney urban legends Message-ID: <002701c3df94$4dd58aa0$0300a8c0@dialin.tonline.de> Here is a nice site about Disney urban legends and whether they are true: http://www.snopes.com/disney/disney.asp Cord From mnaiman1 at cox.net Tue Jan 20 22:56:40 2004 From: mnaiman1 at cox.net (mnaiman1@cox.net) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:56:40 -0500 Subject: art Message-ID: <20040120215642.KVZO3905.fed1mtao04.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> I have a couple of Rosa convention pieces that I am parting with on eBay. Search --- Don Rosa. Michael From info at klartekst.no Fri Jan 23 22:24:13 2004 From: info at klartekst.no (Klartekst) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 22:24:13 +0100 Subject: Scrooge Obeying the Law Message-ID: <003b01c3e1f7$4141f840$8119fea9@klartekst> I think Scrooge regards himself as an honest businessman. There is, for example, that wonderful scene in "Micro-Ducks from Outer Space" (US65) where he carefully counts up the exact amount of tiny gold coins as payment for the grain the micro-ducks want to buy. But he can fall victim to his own greed and take unfair advantage of a situation. Afterwards, he sometimes feels guilt. And if he feels threatened, he looses his temper. And then he may scream things like "I'm Scrooge McDuck! You can't arrest me!". Fortunately, the Duckburg judges are not intimidated. In "The Money Champ" (US27), the judge fines him five gold mines for fighting Glomgold in the courtroom. So I guess like the rest of us he's not above the law. Nils Smeby From donrosa at iglou.com Tue Jan 20 22:27:44 2004 From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:27:44 -0500 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 25 In-Reply-To: <200401202040.i0KKeP2o005789@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: > From: "Daniel van Eijmeren" > Subject: Scrooge obeying the law > These actions strongly suggest > that, at least in Duckburg, Scrooge has shady connections with the > authorities. At least with the police and the army. If this isn't a > corrupt situation, it's at least awfully close to it. I can see you've firmly decided that U$ is a lawbreaker (i.e. a criminal) based on your interpretation of story and plot devices, so I'll let you personally do so and I'll drop the subject. From shadz at email.com Wed Jan 21 01:29:29 2004 From: shadz at email.com (Shad Z.) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:29:29 -0700 Subject: Disney Adventures Volume 14, number 1 (February 2004) Message-ID: <20040121002929.15017.qmail@email.com> Disney Adventures Volume 14, number 1 (February 2004) 1) JZ815, 1 page, 1-tier, Dizzy Adventures: no title Written by Matt Feazell. Art by Matt Feazell. NOTE: Matt Feazell's content page doodles staring stick-figure versions of the Disney Adventures staff has now been turned into something more substantial -- a one-page drawing of the staff doing silly things. This time, they're spies! 2) JZ811, 2 pages, 3-tiers, Kim Possible: "Rufus Proof!" Story by John Green. Pencils by Dan Gracey. Inks by Jeff Albrecht. Letters by Michael Stewart. Colors by John Green. Characters include Kim Possible, Ron Stoppable, Rufus, Dr. Drakken and Shego. 3) JZ810, 1 page, 3-tiers, Gorilla Gorilla: no title Story by Art Baltazar. Art by Art Baltazar. Characters include Gorilla Gorilla and Lizard Lizard. 4) no story code, 8 pages, 3-tiers, Finding Nemo: "Ocean Commotion!" No credits. Characters include Peach, Gurgle, Deb, Gill, Bubbles, Jacques, Bloat, Nemo and Pearl. 5) JZ814, 1 page, 3-tiers, Society of Horrors: "Car Alarm!" Story by Rick Geary. Art by Rick Geary. Colors by John Green. "Society of Horrors" is not a Disney property; it is copyright Rick Geary. 6) JZ809, 4 pages, 3-tiers, The Lion King 1 1/2: "Smart-Hog!" Story by John Green. Art by Fabrico Grellet and Magic Eye Studios. Letters by Michael Stewart. Characters include Pumbaa, Timon, Shenzi, Banzai and Ed. 7) JZ812, 4 page, Jet Pack Pets: "Petmobile!" Story by Michael Stewart. Art by Scott Koblish. Letters by Michael Stewart. Colors by Garry Black. "Jet Pack Pets" is not a Disney property; it is copyright Michael Stewart & Garry Black. 8) JZ813, 1 page, The Last Laugh: "Signs Your Life is a Video Game!" Written by John Green. Art by Tom Bryski. -- Shad Z. ^Q^ http://shadz.homestead.com/files/ HONK TO SEE PUPPIES Sign along US 287, Loveland CO -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From shadz at email.com Wed Jan 21 02:02:49 2004 From: shadz at email.com (Shad Z.) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:02:49 -0700 Subject: Another source for Disney comics in America: Disney Princess magazine Message-ID: <20040121010249.14952.qmail@email.com> Since September, a company called Redan has been publishing a magazine called "Disney Princess Magazine". I'm told that all the content was originally prepared for the Disney Princess magazines in Europe, and is merely being reprinted. Well, I picked up a copy today, and the contents include comics! Written for young children, and all the text is in captions (like Prince Valliant), but still another source for Disney comics in America! -- Shad Z. ^Q^ http://shadz.homestead.com/files/ HONK TO SEE PUPPIES Sign along US 287, Loveland CO -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From dve at kabelfoon.nl Wed Jan 21 02:50:20 2004 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 02:50:20 +0100 Subject: Rosa's comments on Scrooge obeying the law Message-ID: <20040121014850.AA14E19FB01@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> DON ROSA to me, 20-01-2004: >> These actions strongly suggest that, at least in Duckburg, Scrooge >> has shady connections with the authorities. At least with the police >> and the army. If this isn't a corrupt situation, it's at least >> awfully close to it. > I can see you've firmly decided that U$ is a lawbreaker (i.e. a > criminal) based on your interpretation of story and plot devices, > so I'll let you personally do so and I'll drop the subject. This reaction really puzzles me. I haven't firmly decided anything. I'm just discussing the way you treat Uncle Scrooge and his attitude to the law. Did I say something wrong? --- Dani?l From shadz at email.com Wed Jan 21 07:30:47 2004 From: shadz at email.com (Shad Z.) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 23:30:47 -0700 Subject: Another source for Disney comics in America: Disney Princess magazine Message-ID: <20040121063047.2094.qmail@email.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shad Z." > Since September, a company called Redan has been publishing > a magazine called "Disney Princess Magazine". I'm told that > all the content was originally prepared for the Disney Princess > magazines in Europe, and is merely being reprinted. > > Well, I picked up a copy today, and the contents include comics! > Written for young children, and all the text is in captions (like > Prince Valliant), but still another source for Disney comics in > America! So I'm looking ath the stories closer, and here are the Story Codes: PRE11077 PRE11290 What kind of story codes are those? -- Shad Z. ^Q^ http://shadz.homestead.com/files/ HONK TO SEE PUPPIES Sign along US 287, Loveland CO -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From jean-marc.bano at wanadoo.fr Wed Jan 21 10:56:02 2004 From: jean-marc.bano at wanadoo.fr (jeanmarcbano) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:56:02 +0100 Subject: Scrooge Obeying the Law Message-ID: <000701c3e004$c7c19730$8951f851@jmbano> When we ask the question if Scrooge usually obeys the law, it should be interesting to know what Scrooge we are talking about; in the old italian stories, the honesty is not always a strong part of his personality (cf a story like 'le billard aux milliards in Mickey Parade 1016 bis -year 1972 -) ; the Scrooge of Barks is kinder than the italian Scrooge -and sometimes less nervous too - on the contrary, the beagles boys are more dangerous people in Barks, in the old italian stories their purposes are evil but in a kinder way, in Barks they often are unpleasant. P.S: i don't know as much the stories of Barks as i know the old italian stories but, yes, this scene in the micro ducks from outer space is a highlight. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040121/e962009f/attachment.html From sgarciab at soluziona.com Wed Jan 21 12:45:36 2004 From: sgarciab at soluziona.com (sgarciab@soluziona.com) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:45:36 +0100 Subject: Scrooge Obeying the Law Message-ID: Hello everyone: I agree with the impression that U$ does not always obey the laws: Though generally he actually IS a good citizen, sometimes he tries to "slip between the legal bars" for his own profit. For example, the celebrated censored pages in "Back to the Klondike", where he admits he had not paid the taxes upon his property in Yukon. And what about the scene in which U$ tries to buy a whole bunch of golden eggs and feathers for just 10$ in "The golden gooses island (or so)"? I guess that is the sense in which some of us believe that a businessman does not always earn his money *square*. (And in "The Paul Bunyan machine", he destroys the giant Beagle Boys machine *illegaly*, because the BB were employed to do a job. OK, OK, at the end it turns to be that BB having had paid with false money). Santiago. From ksaarto at mbnet.fi Wed Jan 21 13:27:48 2004 From: ksaarto at mbnet.fi (Kai Saarto) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 14:27:48 +0200 Subject: Scrooge Obeying the Law In-Reply-To: <003b01c3e1f7$4141f840$8119fea9@klartekst> References: <003b01c3e1f7$4141f840$8119fea9@klartekst> Message-ID: <400E7043.9090909@mbnet.fi> Klartekst wrote: >But he can fall victim to his own greed and take unfair >advantage of a situation. Afterwards, he sometimes feels >guilt. > > > I agree with your thinking. Immeasurable treasures often tend to make Scrooge lose it for a while. In these situations he seems to consider breaking the law, because he IS greedy (just being a tightwad wouldn't have been enough to make him the richest duck in the world). Inside, he still has a heart of gold (pun intended), so after some thought he usually makes the "right choice". This is the way Don Rosa tends to make him look, and for me that feels right. I personally don't like at all the way some Italian stories make Scrooge to act. From lis- at wp.pl Wed Jan 21 15:18:12 2004 From: lis- at wp.pl (mateusz lis) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:18:12 +0100 Subject: Polish Family Tree now on-line Message-ID: Hi all, Polish version of Don Rosa's "Donald Duck Family Tree" is now on-line at Sigvald's website with better, "digitally remastered" scan and some comments: http://duckman.pettho.com/tree/polish.html Best wishes, Mateusz Lis From spe at inducks.org Wed Jan 21 15:33:10 2004 From: spe at inducks.org (Stefan Persson) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:33:10 +0100 Subject: Another source for Disney comics in America: Disney Princess magazine In-Reply-To: <20040121063047.2094.qmail@email.com> References: <20040121063047.2094.qmail@email.com> Message-ID: <400E8DA6.2020701@inducks.org> Shad Z. wrote: > So I'm looking ath the stories closer, and here are the Story Codes: > > PRE11077 > PRE11290 > > What kind of story codes are those? "PR" probably mean "Princess". "E" might be "England" or "Egmont". The stories in the Swedish Princess magazine are supposed to be from the British Princess magazine; however, the only issue of the Swedish magazine that is currently indexed has quite different codes, c.f. http://coa.inducks.org/inducks/files/sweden/se-PR.html . (Ari: Some bug hides the Inducks [code] field at http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/issue.php/0/se/PR+2001-11 -- please correct that.) AFAIK, no issue of the Princess magazine is indexed in any other country, and the story codes are currently not included in any story file. I'm not sure if the coding system has changed or if the Swedish and American magazine use different codes for the same stories. No one really seems to have any information about this magazine. One interesting thing in the codes used in Sweden was that every page in multi-page stories had its own code, and yet another code was given to the story as whole. If you plan to index the American issues, I suggest that you just include a [code:code as printed in the issue] for the stories until we know more about this. Stefan From raptus at stofanet.dk Wed Jan 21 16:09:13 2004 From: raptus at stofanet.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Krarup_Olesen?=) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:09:13 +0100 Subject: Another source for Disney comics in America: Disney Princess magazine In-Reply-To: <400E8DA6.2020701@inducks.org> References: <20040121063047.2094.qmail@email.com> <400E8DA6.2020701@inducks.org> Message-ID: <400E9619.2050008@stofanet.dk> SHAD + STEFAN + AC + THOMAS: >> So I'm looking ath the stories closer, and here are the Story >> Codes: >> >> PRE11077 PRE11290 > AFAIK, no issue of the Princess magazine is indexed in any other > country, and the story codes are currently not included in any story > file. I think it was "silently agreed" (at least by the Danes) *not* to index these magazines, but I know it is wrong not to do so. The reason was that no one actually cared about them. I only have the very first issue, including an Ariel story coded "UKPS-98" (and then DP followed by some kind of pagenumbering). I seem to remember that AC collected the mags for a while, but...I don't recall any index from him. Thomas, do you have any? S?ren From spe at inducks.org Wed Jan 21 16:14:41 2004 From: spe at inducks.org (Stefan Persson) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:14:41 +0100 Subject: Another source for Disney comics in America: Disney Princess magazine In-Reply-To: <400E9619.2050008@stofanet.dk> References: <20040121063047.2094.qmail@email.com> <400E8DA6.2020701@inducks.org> <400E9619.2050008@stofanet.dk> Message-ID: <400E9761.1060504@inducks.org> S?ren Krarup Olesen wrote: > I think it was "silently agreed" (at least by the Danes) *not* to index > these magazines, but I know it is wrong not to do so. The reason was > that no one actually cared about them. This has not been silently agreed by the Swedes; however, no one cares about these magazines, so they aren't indexed anyways. 8-) Stefan From malines24 at hotmail.com Wed Jan 21 16:20:14 2004 From: malines24 at hotmail.com (Simo Malinen) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:20:14 +0200 Subject: ZM 78-07-23, xapp (de.dbi) Message-ID: ZM 78-07-23 DCo MGo MGo MM [desc:MF1 orders PL to stay in dog house while raining] [xapp:MM,MF1] [/desc from de.dbi 2001-10-25] [/xapp from de.dbi 2001-10-25] - please, add PL to xapp de/MM1982-48c ZM 78-07-23 1 DCo MGo MGo MM NT [desc:MF1 orders PL to stay in dog house while raining] [xapp:MM,MF1] [/writ ID + ink ID added by max 990911] [//xapp added by max 010805] [//desc added by max 010805] - Simo _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From malines24 at hotmail.com Wed Jan 21 16:21:23 2004 From: malines24 at hotmail.com (Simo Malinen) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:21:23 +0200 Subject: ZM 77-07-31 - br?/de? story ID /xapp/desc? Message-ID: ZM 77-07-31 DCo MGo MGo MM [desc:Trying to open umbrella] [xapp:MM] [/desc from br.dbi 6 apr 2001] [/xapp from br.dbi 6 apr 2001] the story printed in fi/AA1983-27 and coded as KF 7-31-77 seems not to match the desc & xapp of ZM 77-07-31 in z.dbs. http://www.geocities.com/gearlost/kf73177.html Since ZM 77-07-31's printed titles in parallel dk/fi/no/se weeklies are all related to fishing, is it fully certain the story in br.dbi is ZM 77-07-31 - or is the story printed in de/dk/fi/no/se weeklies surely ZM 77-07-31 then?: dk/AA1982-25g ZM 77-07-31 1 DCo MGo MGo MM Lystfiskeren fi/AA1983-27g ZM 77-07-31 1 4 DCo MGo MGo MM Sunnuntaikalastaja [xapp:MM,GO] no/DD1982-25g ZM 77-07-31 1 MM Skitt fiske se/KA1982-24g ZM 77-07-31 1 MM Fiskaren de/MM1983-22i ZM 77-07-31 1 DCo MGo MGo MM NT [desc:Trying to open umbrella] [xapp:MM] [//xapp added by max 010805] [//desc added by max 010805] - Simo _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From malines24 at hotmail.com Wed Jan 21 16:22:21 2004 From: malines24 at hotmail.com (Simo Malinen) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:22:21 +0200 Subject: ZM 63-08-18, xapp? Message-ID: ZM 63-08-18 RWi MGo MGo MI [xapp:MM,GO,MI,CL] [/xapp by XVe 13-11-2003] [desc:where's Minnie's new swimsuit?] [/desc 1-5-2003 from it/CNC 141bg] The story in fi/AK1981-02g with 4b layout is not having CL. So the panels with CL must have been cropped from this version? http://www.geocities.com/gearlost/kf81863.html it/CNC 141bg ZM 63-08-18 1 s RWi MGo MGo MM [xapp:MM,GO,MI,CL] [desc:where's Minnie's new swimsuit ?] - Simo _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From malines24 at hotmail.com Wed Jan 21 16:23:13 2004 From: malines24 at hotmail.com (Simo Malinen) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:23:13 +0200 Subject: w.dbi dk/de/fr/it.dbi - descs W OS 1184-07 etc. Message-ID: The descs of W DG 33-08, W OS 1184-07 and W WDC 81-02 are pretty much the same as story titles. They add nothing new, so they might be worth of removing? W DG 33-08 8 AH -> Have Pencil,will Travel [hero:DA,US] [xapp:DA,US] [desc:Have Pencil, Will Travel] [/desc 1-5-2003 from de/MM1968-37b] W OS 1184-07 7 1960-10-12 ? CB GY Brain-strain [desc:Brain Strain] [xapp:DD,GY,HLP] [/desc from dk.dbi 4-2-2000] [/better xapp from it.dbi 4-2-2000] W WDC 81-02 10 1947-01-28 CB CB DD D:Donald Mines His Own Business [desc:DD Mines His Own Business] [xapp:DD,HDL] [/desc from de.dbi 99-12-02] [/xapp from de.dbi 99-12-02] dk/AA1995B27e W OS 1184-07 7 CB GY [desc:Brain Strain] [app:DD] fr/JM 159 W WDC 81-02 4 CB CB DD Plus fort que tout [desc:Mines His Own Business] [xapp:HDL,DD] [story-comm:BV: 28/1/47] [biblio;CBLICDD 5] [/rep-ori;WDC 81] [/pages-ori;10] [/logo-ori;DD] fr/JM 1736f W WDC 81-02 5h5 CB CB DD Aventures à la carte ! [desc:Mines His Own Business] [xapp:HDL,DD] [/BV: 28/1/47] [comm-fr;Ori;9 7/8] [biblio;CBLICDD 5] [/rep-ori;WDC 81] [/pages-ori;10] [/logo-ori;DD] it/AR 585d W OS 1184-07 9 3 ? CB GY Archimede Pitagorico e il cervello in tensione [xapp:DD,GY,HLP] [desc:Brain Strain] it/CBCA 6i W WDC 81-02 10 4 CB CB DD Donald Duck [xapp:DD,HDL] [desc:DD Mines His Own Business] de/MM1968-37b W DG 33-08 8 AH US Alles für den Chef [desc:Have Pencil, Will Travel] [desc-de:Sekretärin DA hilft US bei Eingeborenen aus Patsche] [xapp:DA,US] [/code noch mal prüfen?!!?] de/MM1962-29b W OS 1184-07 7 CB GY R:Not macht erfinderisch [desc:Brain Strain] [xapp:DD,GY,HLP] [/t-us:Brain-strain] [//desc added (max) 000917] [/HLP added to xapp by JPr 020218] de/TGDD 144k W OS 1184-07 7 CB GY Not macht erfinderisch [desc:Brain Strain] [xapp:DD,GY,HLP] [date:1960-10-12] [/HLP added to xapp by JPr 020218] de/BL 10h W WDC 81-02 10 CB CB DD R:Die Goldgrube [desc:DD Mines His Own Business] [xapp:DD,HDL] [date:1947-01-28] [/re:MM1958-43b,BL 10f,TGDD 121c] [/t-usd:Donald Mines His Own Business] de/MM1958-43b W WDC 81-02 10 CB CB DD R:Die Goldgrube [desc:DD Mines His Own Business] [xapp:DD,HDL] [date:1947-01-28] [/re:MM1958-43b,BL 10f,TGDD 121c] [/t-usd:Donald Mines His Own Business] de/TGDD 121c W WDC 81-02 10 CB CB DD Die Goldgrube [desc:DD Mines His Own Business] [xapp:DD,HDL] [date:1947-01-28] [/re:MM1958-43b,BL 10f,TGDD 121c] [/t-usd:Donald Mines His Own Business] de/TGDDZ 121c W WDC 81-02 10 CB CB DD Die Goldgrube [desc:DD Mines His Own Business] [xapp:DD,HDL] [date:1947-01-28] [/re:MM1958-43b,BL 10f,TGDD 121c] [/t-usd:Donald Mines His Own Business] - Simo _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From raptus at stofanet.dk Wed Jan 21 16:34:54 2004 From: raptus at stofanet.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Krarup_Olesen?=) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:34:54 +0100 Subject: ZM 77-07-31 - br?/de? story ID /xapp/desc? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <400E9C1E.5050201@stofanet.dk> SIMO: > ZM 77-07-31 DCo MGo MGo MM [desc:Trying to open umbrella] > [xapp:MM] [/desc from br.dbi 6 apr 2001] [/xapp from br.dbi 6 apr 2001] etc etc etc... I believe the other mailing list still works :-) S?ren From thomas at duckburg.dk Wed Jan 21 16:38:18 2004 From: thomas at duckburg.dk (Thomas Pryds Lauritsen) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:38:18 +0100 Subject: Another source for Disney comics in America: Disney Princess magazine In-Reply-To: <400E9619.2050008@stofanet.dk> References: <20040121063047.2094.qmail@email.com> <400E8DA6.2020701@inducks.org> <400E9619.2050008@stofanet.dk> Message-ID: <400E9CEA.6050008@duckburg.dk> S?ren Krarup Olesen wrote: > I think it was "silently agreed" (at least by the Danes) *not* to index > these magazines, but I know it is wrong not to do so. The reason was > that no one actually cared about them. I only have the very first issue, > including an Ariel story coded "UKPS-98" (and then DP followed by some > kind of pagenumbering). I seem to remember that AC collected the mags > for a while, but...I don't recall any index from him. Thomas, do you > have any? No, I don't have any of the Danish "Prinsesser" issues. But if anyone has (some of) them, and are willing to index them for the Inducks database (I will of course be of assistance) feel free to contact me. The same goes for Danish "Peter Plys" (Winnie the Pooh) and W.I.T.C.H. issues. -- Thomas Pryds Lauritsen From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Wed Jan 21 17:04:55 2004 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:04:55 +0100 Subject: ZM 77-07-31 - br?/de? story ID /xapp/desc? Message-ID: > SIMO: > > > ZM 77-07-31 DCo MGo MGo MM [desc:Trying to open umbrella] > > [xapp:MM] [/desc from br.dbi 6 apr 2001] [/xapp from br.dbi > 6 apr 2001] > > etc etc etc... > > I believe the other mailing list still works :-) > > S?ren At least these messages show how BORING that mailing list is. (We mean the "ddb" mailing list, the one we indexers are using for boring Inducks matters. 8-) --Harry. Harry Fluks -- TNO Telecom -- Delft -- Nederland h.w.fluks at telecom.tno.nl -- http://dd50.inducks.org "Wie ben ik? Wat doe ik hier? Waar is mijn Roddelflop?" From shadz at email.com Wed Jan 21 18:29:52 2004 From: shadz at email.com (Shad Z.) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:29:52 -0700 Subject: Another source for Disney comics in America: Disney Princess magazine Message-ID: <20040121172953.21720.qmail@email.com> From: Stefan Persson > > Shad Z. wrote: > > So I'm looking at the stories closer, and here are the Story Codes: > > > > PRE11077 > > PRE11290 > > > > What kind of story codes are those? > > "PR" probably mean "Princess". "E" might be "England" or "Egmont". The > stories in the Swedish Princess magazine are supposed to be from the > British Princess magazine; however, the only issue of the Swedish > magazine that is currently indexed has quite different codes, c.f. > http://coa.inducks.org/inducks/files/sweden/se-PR.html . > > (Ari: Some bug hides the Inducks [code] field at > http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/issue.php/0/se/PR+2001-11 -- please > correct that.) > > AFAIK, no issue of the Princess magazine is indexed in any other > country, and the story codes are currently not included in any story > file. I'm not sure if the coding system has changed or if the Swedish > and American magazine use different codes for the same stories. No one > really seems to have any information about this magazine. One > interesting thing in the codes used in Sweden was that every page in > multi-page stories had its own code, and yet another code was given to > the story as whole. > > If you plan to index the American issues, I suggest that you just > include a [code:code as printed in the issue] for the stories until we > know more about this. Well, here's information about the stories, so someone can add them to INDUCKS if they'd like to. I'm only including information about the comics stories, but almost every article (activity page, game, puzzle, etc.) in the magazine has a similar "story code" beginning with PRE. Disney Princess Magazine #3 (January/February 2004) 1) PRE11077, 5 pages, 2-tier, Aladdin: "City in the Sand" No Credits Characters include Jasmine & Rajah (Aladdin does not appear). 2) PRE11290, 3 pages, 3-tier, Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs: "The Gloomy Grove" No Credits Characters include Snow White and various woodland creatures (none of the dwarfs appear). -- Shad Z. ^Q^ http://shadz.homestead.com/files/ HONK TO SEE PUPPIES Sign along US 287, Loveland CO -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From ArneVoigtmann at gmx.de Wed Jan 21 20:47:43 2004 From: ArneVoigtmann at gmx.de (Arne Voigtmann) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:47:43 +0100 Subject: Philco Radio in "Attaaack!" Message-ID: <11525598028.20040121204743@gmx.de> In Don Rosa's "Attaaack!" Gyro Gearloose has used an old (well, at least to me it looks pretty old - even for the Fifties) Philco Radio for his "Gearloose Early Warning System". I've searched the Internet for this model but couldn't find it. So does anybody (maybe Don Rosa himself) know which model this is? Arne From UNDBKB at aol.com Wed Jan 21 21:11:17 2004 From: UNDBKB at aol.com (UNDBKB@aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:11:17 EST Subject: FCBD 2004 Message-ID: <73.3a0937aa.2d4036e5@aol.com> According to Gemstone Publishers: Rumor has it that it Gemstone WILL be participating in this year's (2004) Free Comic Book Day. The Comic will have something to do with Mickey Mouse and Carl Barks. Barry. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040121/dbc58d21/attachment.html From kjell.crone at ifsworld.com Thu Jan 22 10:33:50 2004 From: kjell.crone at ifsworld.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Kjell_Cron=E9?=) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:33:50 +0100 Subject: Fun and Fancy Free on DVD Message-ID: <2B364F8DBC0A2C45B195893CC09186CD03C64A5B@gbgmail.europe.corpnet.ifsworld.com> Yesterday (January 21, 2004) the DVD "Fun and Fancy Free" ("Pank och f?gelfri") was released in Sweden! :-) Sound track in English/Swedish/Finnish and subtitles in the same languages. I wouldn't call this movie a masterpiece, but the Bongo story is quite cute. And "Mickey and the Beanstalk" is a classic, so it's worth the money. (I paid SEK 229/EUR 25/USD 32, without looking for the best price) Kjell From donrosa at iglou.com Thu Jan 22 13:42:16 2004 From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 07:42:16 -0500 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 28 In-Reply-To: <200401221105.i0MB4IM9030429@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: > From: Arne Voigtmann > Subject: Philco Radio in "Attaaack!" > In Don Rosa's "Attaaack!" Gyro Gearloose has used an old (well, at > least to me it looks pretty old - even for the Fifties) Philco Radio > for his "Gearloose Early Warning System". I've searched the Internet > for this model but couldn't find it. So does anybody (maybe Don Rosa > himself) know which model this is? Sorry -- I just made up my own design. But when you ask me that, I feel embarrassed that I did not do what my readers would expect, and spend time to hunt down an exact and authentic model. It's just the sort of thing I'd do and just the sort of thing I'd enjoy doing. From malines24 at hotmail.com Thu Jan 22 16:20:48 2004 From: malines24 at hotmail.com (Simo Malinen) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:20:48 +0200 Subject: (OT) sorry, previous mails Message-ID: I apologize the mails I spammed to DCML yesterday. They went into wrong e-mail address. (Luckily I noticed the mistake after four messages, so all the rest prewritten texts did not end up on DCML) Sorry for the trouble. - Simo _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From sdebeer at talk21.com Thu Jan 22 21:55:40 2004 From: sdebeer at talk21.com (Simon de Beer) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:55:40 -0000 Subject: Buying Disney Comics in Florida Message-ID: <003801c3e12a$197b68a0$aac0fea9@custompc> Would anyone mind telling me if there are any good Disney comic shops (new or second hand) in central Florida (St Petersburg/Orlando area). 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URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040122/6c9606ef/attachment.html From stratocruiser at cox.net Fri Jan 23 02:42:55 2004 From: stratocruiser at cox.net (Carey Furlong) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:42:55 -0800 Subject: Scrooge Obeying the Law In-Reply-To: <200401211537.i0LFb5M8012361@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: Santiago wrote: > And what about the scene in which U$ tries to buy a whole bunch of golden > eggs and feathers for just 10$ in "The golden gooses island (or so)"? The business with Scrooge buying the hoard of golden eggs and feathers for only $10 was not strictly speaking, breaking the law. It may have been an unfair and unscrupulous business practice, but it was not illegal. Unfortunately for him, and thanks to Magica De Spell, it did not work out. This reminds me of a similar event where Scrooge tried to buy a 500 mile diameter moon made of 24 carat solid gold for only a handful of dirt (US 24). On that occasion it was not even an unscrupulous business practice, because the offer was at the behest of the owner. That deal, however, also did not work out for Scrooge, but for different reasons. ;-) Carey From afaria at brasopolis.com.br Thu Jan 22 21:51:36 2004 From: afaria at brasopolis.com.br (Arthur Faria Jr.) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:51:36 -0200 Subject: Biquinho Message-ID: <000201c3e15a$61556b00$69a5d6c8@arthur> Lars Jensen wrote: > Plowing my way through Inducks, I came across this: > v"B 850077 7 - Faz de conta que eu conto - Biquinho - Irineu Soares > Rodrigues - December 26, 1985 - 3-tier - BIQ tells complicated tale > about his life before being found by FE - - -" > > "Found"? Is Biquinho not a biological nephew of Fethry's? Yes, he is. But like in many Brazilian stories, the progenitors of new characters aren't cited if this isn't important for their stories. In Biquinho's case, just knowing that he is Fethry's real nephew was sufficient. Nobody knows who is his father, mother, etc. and whether they are still alive or not. Biquinho's premiere story (B 810124 "O Nascimento do Biquinho") just shows us that when his egg was being delivered to Fethry's house, carried by a stork, Biquinho (still inside the egg) punched the stork's beak in the middle of the journey and them fell in a distant jungle, being "adopted" by a porcupine family after hatching. Later on FE and Gloria started an expedition to search him and found him captured by an unknown tribe. All of this was told in B 810124 "O Nascimento do Biquinho" (Biquinho's birthday"). B 850077 is a story where Biquinho just tries to explain (with his creative mind) what happened with him before he was rescued. -- Arthur. From comicchar_shop at yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 04:48:33 2004 From: comicchar_shop at yahoo.com (dennis books) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:48:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: addendum: July Fourth In Duckburg Message-ID: <20040123034833.55907.qmail@web12001.mail.yahoo.com> Answer to prize question: The mistake that had to be corrected was that Carl spelled Duckburg wrong. It was originally painted "Ducburg" in error. I have a photo of the finished painting before the correction. Are myklebust ... I will send you a 1940`s Donald poster for participating if you privately e-mail me your mailing address.Your server rejects my e- mail address. anything for a duck...Dennis --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Schulte) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:16:07 -0500 Subject: Uncle Scrooge/Law-Abiding In-Reply-To: <200401231100.i0NB0VM8023262@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.1.20040123090331.00ab8770@10.0.0.8> The debate about whether Uncle Scrooge makes money legally has been interesting, especially with Don Rosa's comments that "his" Uncle Scrooge earns his wealth legally. I wonder if there is a division here on attitudes towards wealth based on the European and American traditions. As a general statement, the Europeans tend to take a more socialized view that somehow gathering great wealth is bad, and therefore must have been done illegally or at least immorally, and that great wealth must be redistributed. Americans admire the Bill Gates/Andrew Carnegie/-types and think, in general, that the individual should be allowed to become as rich as he wants. I am reminded of the old story of the American and the Frenchman in New York. They re standing on the street corner when a huge limousine rolls by. The American says: "Some day I will own a car like that!" But the Frenchman says: "Nobody should be allowed to own a car like that!" Class warfare based on envy tends to be a European phenomenon (think France 1789), although you can see it in America too of course, especially in election years! So I wonder if Uncle Scrooge is in fact such an American archetype that he could not have come from the pen and brush of a European. From bangfish at comcast.net Fri Jan 23 15:30:10 2004 From: bangfish at comcast.net (Gary Leach) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:30:10 -0500 Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 11, Issue 22 In-Reply-To: <200401191100.i0JB0k2n014248@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: Mad: > Btw, Gemstone (Gary), is there any chance you would consider using the > one-parter versions instead of using the three-part versions, when it > comes to Don Rosa's stories ? We do consider it, and generally prefer it. But there will be occasions when we will run the serialized version over the single-issue version. Gary From bangfish at comcast.net Fri Jan 23 15:53:27 2004 From: bangfish at comcast.net (Gary Leach) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:53:27 -0500 Subject: FCBD 04 In-Reply-To: <200401200631.i0K6V52n030373@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: Mads: > Does anybody know if Gemstone will be participarting in the Free Comic > Book Day (FCBD) on July 3rd this year ? Gemstone will. The story's picked, and the material is being worked up. I don't think the contents are meant to be any kind of secret by this point, but I'll tease a bit by only saying it features one of Carl Barks' more unusual efforts. Gary From UNDBKB at aol.com Fri Jan 23 18:43:13 2004 From: UNDBKB at aol.com (UNDBKB@aol.com) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:43:13 EST Subject: Comic Shops in Florida Message-ID: <171.28e2f648.2d42b731@aol.com> > Would anyone mind telling me if there are any good Disney comic shops (new > or second hand) in central Florida (St Petersburg/Orlando area). Thanks I was there in December and there are not many shops. You can go to the comic shop locator service and enter the zip code and see what is listed. http://csls.diamondcomics.com/ Good Luck. Barry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Carey Furlong Dana Point, California Here is the email: "Dear Gladstone Subscription Holder: When Gemstone Publishing began publishing the new line of Disney comic books, it was agreed that any Gladstone subscribers who were owed comic books to fulfill their subs would be able to receive the new Gemstone Disney comics if they preferred. Since you contacted us, there has been much work going on to sort out the old records and get them transferred into a whole new system. We have finally accomplished this monumental task. If you had already subscribed to either Uncle Scrooge or Walt Disney's Comics and Stories, we have added the additional copies due you onto your current sub. For those of you who had not yet subscribed to the new line of Disney comics, we have created a record for you and the issues due you will begin with either Uncle Scrooge #326 or Walt Disney's Comics and Stories #641 due to ship later this month. We thank you very much for your patience, and know that you will enjoy these great Disney comics well into the future. Sincerely, Angela Meyer Traffic & Operations Manager Gemstone Publishing 417-256-2224 From kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net Sat Jan 24 02:42:42 2004 From: kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:42:42 -0500 Subject: About Daisy Message-ID: <000301c3e21b$61c8f4a0$c124d044@youroxg2elbf6o> I've thoroughly enjoyed what folks have had to say about Daisy, and I've been disappointed that the thread hasn't drawn more attention. IMHO, I think Daisy ISN'T a very satisfying character most of the time. Even though she's been around since 1937, she still hasn't rested into one consistent characterization. We have Donna Duck in "Don Donald" who has a temperament that's probably fierier than Donald's. We have the collection of sexist stereotypes that is Barks's Daisy (pardon my arrogance for knocking the greatest duck writer of all time, but his vision of Daisy isn't exactly.progressive). On the other hand, the Daisy's Diary stories present a varying Daisy that sometimes passively takes in the world around her but occasionally comes off a satisfying adult character. There's the self-involved Daisy from House of Mouse (I hate the show with a passion but Daisy's character on the show is sort of interesting). My memory of the disappointing Quack Pack is dim, but wasn't Daisy a highly motivated TV journalist and career woman on that show? I think Daisy is the only big Disney character who has almost no nailed down characterization. Who she is is very reflective of her time period and the writers or artists who are working with her. Daisy has her moments, even though her character has so many diverse incarnations! Some of my favorite Daisy moments (in no particular order) are. *The Donald short cartoon, "Donald's Dilemma." She's a strongly identifiable character here, and I love when she shouts "ME! ME! ME!" *The Donald short cartoon, "Daisy's Diary." She is a really sexist stereotype there, but she is awful funny. I love how she looks after the honeymoon is over! I love all of the sailors outside of the chapel too! *The Blocks' "Three Little Cupids." Daisy's a perfect match for Donald in this story! She actually has a tangible personality that isn't an unrealistic superwoman or a sexist stereotype. *Van Horn's "Heavy Duty." I love the unwitting destruction she wreaks on Donald in this story. *Janet Gilbert's "Night Shift." Daisy's a realistic, psychologically satisfying character in a very absurd situation. This story really tickled me! Well, that's what I think anyway! Matt From jean-marc.bano at wanadoo.fr Sat Jan 24 12:12:53 2004 From: jean-marc.bano at wanadoo.fr (jeanmarcbano) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 12:12:53 +0100 Subject: Scrooge obeying the law - Uncle Scrooge/Law-Abiding Message-ID: <000601c3e26b$0377d970$f7d93251@jmbano> At the moment of the creation of Scrooge in the time there was in America a lot of movies relating the lives of rich people (the most famous is certainly Citizen Kane, i think at this scene in the excellent story 'The trail of the Unicorn' where we see at the beginning his big mansion isolated in the country like a second Xanadu), but i don't think Scrooge is necessary an american character (i thought for a long time that he was an european and particularly an italian creation!); the world of Scrooge seems to me a world of the past, nowadays the money has become an abstract thing, in the world of Scrooge this is still a concrete thing and materialized by coins which inhabits in big quantity his huge bin; in France thirty years ago, the salaries were still paid in cash, then, the banks were developped on a larger scale, and now the salary is a cheque or a bank transfert, that is no longer concrete money, this is electronic money, this is an abstract thing; in the world of Scrooge the wealth is still a concrete thing materialized by the coins, and that is a fantasy of the past; he doesn't spend his fortune in an extravagant way, for him money is just a question of idolatry, and maybe this is why there isn't some social protest against him; Duckburg is a quiet place, this is not a social world, politic has nothing to do with it (except for some old italian stories which critics the totalitarism (Picsou annex? par la Ruinitanie Mickey Parade 899 bis -year 1969-); the actions of Scrooge, Donald and the kids, Gyro and so forth...are often private, people of Duckburg don't pay a great attention about that, except for when these actions have some exterior repercussions on the population (Picsou et la publicit? tapageuse -i don't remember what mickey parade); in the overall picture i think in the most part of the stories, Scrooge has good public relations with the authorities (even if sometimes in the Barks and the italian stories some judgments for mayhem costs him a lot of money); in Duckburg, i think the danger is not a social or politic protest, even in the old italian stories, i think the danger comes from an other place. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040124/972a8e37/attachment.html From frankbubacz at hotmail.com Sat Jan 24 18:50:28 2004 From: frankbubacz at hotmail.com (Frank Bubacz) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 18:50:28 +0100 Subject: Gemstone's FCBD Message-ID: >To tease us now would be which, Riddle of the Red Hat? Either that one or Riddle of the Red Hat. Frank _________________________________________________________________ Schlu? mit Spam! http://www.msn.de/antispam/prevention/junkmailfilter Wir helfen Ihnen, unerw?nschte E-Mails zu reduzieren. From HorizonHse at aol.com Sun Jan 25 07:11:28 2004 From: HorizonHse at aol.com (HorizonHse@aol.com) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 01:11:28 -0500 Subject: Scrooge always obeying the law?? Message-ID: <389E67D6.27CBE408.0B9F6F55@aol.com> hi all, scrooge may be guilty of some sharp business practices (eg, magic hour glass; wdc 98) but the only time i can think of that he actually stole something is in land beneath the ground. almost always he winds up giving up what he found (eg, philosopher's stone)or losing iteg, king solomon's mines; prize of pizarro). when he gets to keep the wealth he finds (eg, riches everywhere; flying dutchman; gold nugget boat), its perfectly legal. the few artifacts he keeps that a government might claim (eg, lost crown of genghis khan; golden fleece)he seems to have come by legally -- in the first his agents acquired the crown; in the second, no one seems to own the fleece, no one having been to colchis for many, many years. at least in the cannon, scrooge always obeys the law. regards, william price From bangfish at comcast.net Sun Jan 25 15:38:06 2004 From: bangfish at comcast.net (Gary Leach) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 09:38:06 -0500 Subject: Riddled In-Reply-To: <200401251101.i0PB19M8016025@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <16A2FEED-4F44-11D8-B639-000393C28E48@comcast.net> >> To tease us now would be which, Riddle of the Red Hat? > > Either that one or Riddle of the Red Hat. > > Frank Riddle of the Red Hat? Hmmm...could be, could be. After all, there's still the possibility it could be Riddle of the Red Hat. Not that I'm saying anything definitive at this point. Wouldn't be prudent. Gary From afaria at brasopolis.com.br Sun Jan 25 03:40:18 2004 From: afaria at brasopolis.com.br (Arthur Faria Jr.) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 00:40:18 -0200 Subject: About Daisy Message-ID: <001b01c3e35e$f33566a0$66a5d6c8@arthur> > I've thoroughly enjoyed what folks have had to say about Daisy, and I've > been disappointed that the thread hasn't drawn more attention. IMHO, I > think Daisy ISN'T a very satisfying character most of the time. (...) > Daisy has her moments, even though her character has so many diverse > incarnations! Some of my favorite Daisy moments (in no particular order) > are. > *The Donald short cartoon, "Donald's Dilemma." She's a strongly > identifiable character here, and I love when she shouts "ME! ME! ME!" > *The Donald short cartoon, "Daisy's Diary." She is a really sexist > stereotype there, but she is awful funny. I love how she looks after the > honeymoon is over! I love all of the sailors outside of the chapel too! > *The Blocks' "Three Little Cupids." Daisy's a perfect match for Donald in > this story! She actually has a tangible personality that isn't an > unrealistic superwoman or a sexist stereotype. > *Van Horn's "Heavy Duty." I love the unwitting destruction she wreaks on > Donald in this story. > *Janet Gilbert's "Night Shift." Daisy's a realistic, psychologically > satisfying character in a very absurd situation. This story really tickled > me! Matt, unfortunately you never read any of the hundreds of Brazilian Daisy stories published in her own comic book "Margarida" from 1986 to 1997 (257 issues) You can see some covers at: http://www.papersera.net/vilaxurupita/mg/mg001_025.htm and complete issue indexing in Inducks. The Brazilian creators opted for turning that old silly Daisy Duck into a modern, liberated woman who coincidently was a "highly motivated TV" (and also newspaper) "journalist and career woman". This "New Daisy", as she was known, was created several years before Quack Pack and House of Mouse shows (just for your information) Anyway, I'm sure you'd love to read those Brazilian Daisy stories --- which were also published in Italy, some in France and few in Denmark I guess. (Maybe other countries don't like motivated female characters... :-) -- Arthur. From xephyr at cwnet.com Sun Jan 25 22:09:26 2004 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:09:26 -0800 Subject: The I-Team & The Riverside Rovers (again) Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... 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Oh well... > However, I still don't know what the "I" in "I-Team" stands for. Anyone > know? I can make a guess. In Norway, they have the name "IT-gjengen" - "the IT posse" or something - where IT is a widely known acronym of information technology. Maybe the I in "I-Team" also stands for information or information technology. To say for sure, I guess one needs access to the English version of their first story... Anyone in Egmont who knows? > I'm guessing that "Riverside" is the name of a neighboring town to > Mouseton, also? I always thought of that name as "the rovers at the riverside in Mouseton(/Duckburg)". As far as I remember, their soccer field is by the river, isn't it? Also, in Norwegian translations it's translated accurately, into "Elvebreddskameratene" (riverside mates). -- Olaf "the Blue" Solstrand From xephyr at cwnet.com Sun Jan 25 15:09:51 2004 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:09:51 +0000 Subject: The I-Team & The Riverside Rovers (again) Message-ID: <4013CE2F.6090104@cwnet.com> Olaf Solstrand said: >Maybe the I in "I-Team" also stands for information or information technology. The "Information Team"? That makes sense to me, too. IT is an acronym for Information Technology here in the USA, too. >> I'm guessing that "Riverside" is the name of a neighboring town to >> Mouseton, also? >I always thought of that name as "the rovers at the riverside in >Mouseton(/Duckburg)". As far as I remember, their soccer field is by the >river, isn't it? Also, in Norwegian translations it's translated >accurately, into "Elvebreddskameratene" (riverside mates). O.K. That could very well be the case in the US English version of the story, too, but I'm not sure it's very common in many towns to have more than one "team" representing the town, unless, I guess, if the town is quite large enough to accommodate many teams. In the story, as presented in MM&F, the "Mouseton" team was already full so Mrs. Fieldmouse opted to sign her sons and Gilbert up with the Riverside Rovers who happened to be sharing practice in the same park as the "FC Mouseton Juniors" (the local Mouseton team). In my own experience, my hometown was spread out so far that there was definitely more than one team representing my town, but we weren't close enough to share the same practice field. So, I guess you could be right. It would also explain why Morty, Ferdie & Gilbert had never met any of the other kids before, too if they all live in Mouseton. Thanks, Rich -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Matt From dve at kabelfoon.nl Mon Jan 26 03:53:53 2004 From: dve at kabelfoon.nl (Daniel van Eijmeren) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 03:53:53 +0100 Subject: Question about "Romano Scarpa - Sognando la Calidornia" Message-ID: <20040126025213.4EFF6BE619@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> According to my files, there should be a publication titled 'Romano Scarpa - Sognando la Calidornia', published in April 2001. It should contain a reproduction of a 1975 letter(?) from Barks to Scarpa, which contains a "siren idea" for Scarpa's Brigitta. See: http://www.seriesam.com/barks/df_75scarpa.jpg According to my files, this material is a reprint of 'I Maestri Disney' #14, March 1999. Is the above information correct? Can you tell me more about 'Sognando la Calidornia'? Is it a compilation of comic book stories, a biography, or both? What kind of cover does it have? The book is mentioned at http://www.dimensionedelta.net/scarpa/calidornia/ In part, the text on that page reads: "Presentato a Torino Comics il 28 Aprile 2001, ? ora disponibile nelle migliori fumetterie e librerie specializzate pubblicato dalla Vittorio Pavesio Productions. Il volume ? di ben 244 pagine (di cui 16 a colori) e di formato medio-grande (21,5 x 27,8 cm) a lire 58.000." But I can't understand Italian. (The link to an English text doesn't work.) And I can't find the book at INDUCKS. Neither the "siren idea" drawing for Scarpa. Does this mean that they haven't been indexed at INDUCKS? Are Alberto Becattini, Luca Boschi, Leonardo Gori, and Andrea Sani the authors of the book? Any help will be appreciated, as always. --- Dani?l "Stop! You don't know what you're doing to yourself" (Which Barks story?) :-) From eega at supereva.it Mon Jan 26 12:54:45 2004 From: eega at supereva.it (Eta Beta) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:54:45 +0100 Subject: Calidornia Dreaming In-Reply-To: <200401261101.i0QB0pMA009564@numerus.ling.uu.se> References: <200401261101.i0QB0pMA009564@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <19371220052629.30660@mail.tin.it> DANIEL >According to my files, there should be a publication titled >'Romano Scarpa - Sognando la Calidornia', published in April 2001. Yes, it's the same book I've promised you scans from, ages ago... sorry about that... >It should contain a reproduction of a 1975 letter(?) from Barks to >Scarpa, which contains a "siren idea" for Scarpa's Brigitta. >See: http://www.seriesam.com/barks/df_75scarpa.jpg >According to my files, this material is a reprint of 'I Maestri >Disney' #14, March 1999. > >Is the above information correct? Yes >Can you tell me more about 'Sognando la Calidornia'? Is it a >compilation of comic book stories, a biography, or both? Richly illustrated critical biography >What kind of cover does it have? Nice :-) >The book is mentioned at >http://www.dimensionedelta.net/scarpa/calidornia/ [...] >But I can't understand Italian. (The link to an English text doesn't >work.) Yes, updating and finishing the transfer of my web sites is yet another thing I can't seem to find the time for, sorry about that, too... >Are Alberto Becattini, Luca Boschi, Leonardo Gori, and Andrea Sani the >authors of the book? Yes, they are. Cheers! Eta Beta From frspreaf at tin.it Mon Jan 26 13:11:15 2004 From: frspreaf at tin.it (Francesco Spreafico) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:11:15 +0100 Subject: Question about "Romano Scarpa - Sognando la Calidornia" References: <20040126025213.4EFF6BE619@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Message-ID: <01ef01c3e405$948995c0$0700a8c0@FRANCESCO01> Daniel van Eijmeren wrote: > According to my files, there should be a publication titled > 'Romano Scarpa - Sognando la Calidornia', published in April 2001. There indeed is! > It should contain a reproduction of a 1975 letter(?) from Barks to > Scarpa, which contains a "siren idea" for Scarpa's Brigitta. > See: http://www.seriesam.com/barks/df_75scarpa.jpg > According to my files, this material is a reprint of 'I Maestri > Disney' #14, March 1999. > > Is the above information correct? I'm at work now, I can't check... I'll check later, but... yes, I think it's there. > Can you tell me more about 'Sognando la Calidornia'? Is it a > compilation of comic book stories, a biography, or both? It's an extended edition of the 1988 Romano Scarpa "Blue" Book. A critical analysis of his works, with some biography too... a lot a sketches and panels, but no stories at all. > What kind of cover does it have? This kind of cover :-) http://www.dimensionedelta.net/scarpa/calidornia/calidornia.jpg > The book is mentioned at > http://www.dimensionedelta.net/scarpa/calidornia/ > In part, the text on that page reads: "Presentato a Torino Comics il > 28 Aprile 2001, ? ora disponibile nelle migliori fumetterie e librerie > specializzate pubblicato dalla Vittorio Pavesio Productions. Il volume > ? di ben 244 pagine (di cui 16 a colori) e di formato medio-grande > (21,5 x 27,8 cm) a lire 58.000." > > But I can't understand Italian. (The link to an English text doesn't > work.) And I can't find the book at INDUCKS. Neither the "siren idea" > drawing for Scarpa. Does this mean that they haven't been indexed at > INDUCKS? The book hasn't been indexed yet... Eta Beta and I have been trying to do it for... two years now, but we never really finished! > Are Alberto Becattini, Luca Boschi, Leonardo Gori, and Andrea Sani the > authors of the book? Yes! -- Sprea http://www.dimensionedelta.net From lpj at forfatter.dk Mon Jan 26 14:16:00 2004 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 14:16:00 +0100 Subject: Biquinho Message-ID: <010c01c3e412$1447cd20$af799dd9@idb3156> Arthur Faria Jr. wrote: >> "Found"? Is Biquinho not a biological nephew of Fethry's? > > Yes, he is. But like in many Brazilian stories, the progenitors of new > characters aren't cited if this isn't important for their stories. That's pretty much my way of working, too. I just can't see any point in tying my characters down with various parents, siblings, uncles etc. unless I absolutely have to. By the way, I see you have written a number of Biquinho stories. Do you have any thoughts on who his parents might be? And one other Fethry-related question: I've always thought Gloria is Fethry's girlfriend. A while back, though, I read a Brazilian story where it seemed like *he* was interested in *her*, but not the other way round. Are they a couple, or have I been wrong for all these years? Thanks for your help, Arthur. Lars From lpj at forfatter.dk Mon Jan 26 14:36:41 2004 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 14:36:41 +0100 Subject: Scrooge always obeying the law?? References: <200401251103.i0PB3BMA016049@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <011701c3e412$1941e900$af799dd9@idb3156> William Price wrote: > at least in the cannon, scrooge always obeys the law. We had an exhausting discussion earlier on the DCML about what is and what isn't canon -- and the only result was that a lot of people got very very annoyed. Please... Let's not go there again. Let's just say that "in Barks' stories, Scrooge always obeys the law", OK? Lars From lpj at forfatter.dk Mon Jan 26 14:37:16 2004 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 14:37:16 +0100 Subject: Donald and the girls Message-ID: <011801c3e412$19afc600$af799dd9@idb3156> Hi people. Can anybody think of an existing female character who Donald has been romantically interested in -- and who has been interested in him? Maybe they've even dated at some point. So far, I can think of Daisy, Donna (assuming she's a different character) and that girl Donald "saved" from a dead shark in Barks' "Lifeguard Daze" (WDC 33). Lars From frankbubacz at hotmail.com Mon Jan 26 15:23:40 2004 From: frankbubacz at hotmail.com (Frank Bubacz) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 15:23:40 +0100 Subject: Donald and the girls Message-ID: Hi, Donald had an exciting romantic adventure with Miss Swansdown-Swoonsudden in "Jet Rescue" (WDC 67). He's also quite partial to other girls in Italian Disney comics, I believe, most of all to Reginella, who appeared in a series of Cavazzano drawn stories: http://www-lce.eng.cam.ac.uk/~fms27/disney/cavazzano/avventura-sottomarina.jpg Frank _________________________________________________________________ Wu?ten Sie, da? Sie Ihren Hotmail-Posteingang auch ?ber den MSN Messenger abrufen k?nnen? http://messenger.msn.de Jetzt kostenlos downloaden und einfach testen! From frspreaf at tin.it Mon Jan 26 19:04:40 2004 From: frspreaf at tin.it (Francesco Spreafico) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 19:04:40 +0100 Subject: Question about "Romano Scarpa - Sognando la Calidornia" References: <20040126025213.4EFF6BE619@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> Message-ID: <017c01c3e436$e0a12550$8a6a1e97@versi> Daniel van Eijmeren wrote: > It should contain a reproduction of a 1975 letter(?) from Barks to > Scarpa, which contains a "siren idea" for Scarpa's Brigitta. > See: http://www.seriesam.com/barks/df_75scarpa.jpg > According to my files, this material is a reprint of 'I Maestri > Disney' #14, March 1999. > > Is the above information correct? Yes, it is. The image is printed on both "Sognando la Calidornia" and on MD 14 (but Calidornia is not a 'reprint' of MD 14's material... the both happen to show the same image) Best, Francesco http://www.dimensionedelta.net From sonia.dyer at hp.com Mon Jan 26 19:47:33 2004 From: sonia.dyer at hp.com (Dyer, Sonia) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:47:33 -0800 Subject: Inspiration for Scrooge Message-ID: <1C4766A743ADF74FAEDF2AAD0679BAA2829F8C@cacexc03.americas.cpqcorp.net> --------------------------- L. Schulte wrote: >...Americans admire the Bill Gates/Andrew Carnegie/-types ... >Class warfare based on envy tends to be a European phenomenon >think France 1789), although you can see it in America too of >course, especially in election years! So I wonder if Uncle >Scrooge is in fact such an American archetype that he could >not have come from the pen and brush of a European. And yet Carnegie was very much driven by the European model you mention. Biographies of him show that once he became wealthy, he took his old mother back to Scotland, and drove her up and down High Street of the town they had left in a big fancy carriage, waving for all their old neighbors to see, and then he bought the local castle, and a flower garden he and his family were never allowed to set foot in when he was a child. Whether it was Andrew Carnegie or his mother driving these actions, they were acknowledged to be blatantly intended to generate envy from their former European neighbors. While we're on this general subject, does anyone know who was the inspiration for Scrooge? We know the name came from the miserly Mr. Ebenezer Scrooge character in Dickens' "Christmas Carol", but that particular Mr Scrooge never travelled the world, or had big adventures seeking lost treasures, or settled in America. Andrew Carnegie seems like a good source of inspiration for some of those aspects. Carnegie was certainly a tightwad (at least til he got old and became a famous philanthropist). Could there be other sources of inspiration contributing to Scrooge? Sonia From vazali at yahoo.com Mon Jan 26 22:38:33 2004 From: vazali at yahoo.com (Katie Sullivan) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:38:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: Daisy In-Reply-To: <200401261101.i0QB0pM9009564@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <20040126213833.25883.qmail@web41505.mail.yahoo.com> > From: "Matthew Williams" > Thank you so much, Arthur! I'm fascinated by the covers, > particularly > Daisy's trendy clothing. I'm intrigued by the glimpses I've > gotten of > Brazilian Disney comics over the years. Unfortunately, I've > never had the > opportunity to actually read any translated comics. I'm hope > to see a > greater international scope represented in the US one day! I wholeheartedly second the thanks for the link, and the wish that more stories like these will be published/translated in America! I'm always interested to see how the few regular female duck characters are represented. I won't bother to babble on about my feelings about Daisy, since anyone who's read my essay already knows. ;) http://www.sullivanet.com/duckburg/library/capstone.htm Katie Sullivan http://www.sullivanet.com/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From oost at xs4all.nl Mon Jan 26 22:52:58 2004 From: oost at xs4all.nl (Pascal Oost) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 22:52:58 +0100 Subject: Jules Coenen Message-ID: <200401262152.i0QLqsrf050942@smtp-out3.xs4all.nl> I just heard the sad news that Disney comic artist Jules Coenen passed away last week. Jules Coenen used to work for the Dutch Donald Duck weekly, later he moved to the USA to live and work there. Pascal Oost From info at klartekst.no Thu Jan 29 22:04:58 2004 From: info at klartekst.no (Klartekst) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 22:04:58 +0100 Subject: Donald and the Girls Message-ID: <001c01c3e6ab$903d5300$8119fea9@klartekst> LARS JENSEN wrote: Can anybody think of an existing female character who Donald has been romantically interested in -- and who has been interested in him? Well, I can't rememember any such story by Barks, but in "The Oddyssey" by Gorm Transg?rd and Vicar (D96308) Donald is shipwrecked on a tropical island and meets a beautiful pearl diver. He is certainly in love with her and she seems more than a little interested in him too. Wouldn't it be fun if she turned up in Duckburg one day? Especially since, according to this story, the reason Donald always wears a sailor's suit is so that she will recognize him if they ever meet again. A sequal just waiting to be told, hint, hint. Nils Smeby From kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net Tue Jan 27 00:27:22 2004 From: kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 18:27:22 -0500 Subject: Daisy's Mother? Message-ID: <000301c3e463$f7d51ce0$6524d044@youroxg2elbf6o> I just happened to have re-read Carl Barks's classic story about Daisy giving Donald Gladstone's love letters (from WDC&S 111) again last night, and I came across something odd. In the third panel of the ninth page, Gladstone goes to Daisy's house and finds an older female duck at Daisy's. Could this be Daisy's mother? "Miss Daisy Duck" is the only name on the mailbox, by the way. What do all of you make of this? Matt From xephyr at cwnet.com Tue Jan 27 00:50:57 2004 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 15:50:57 -0800 Subject: Daisy's Mother? Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040127/aedbf016/attachment.pl From xephyr at cwnet.com Tue Jan 27 00:52:33 2004 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 15:52:33 -0800 Subject: Are there TWO Professor Zeros? Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040127/49fdcc68/attachment.pl From ramapith at mail.dk Tue Jan 27 01:34:24 2004 From: ramapith at mail.dk (ramapith@mail.dk) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 01:34:24 +0100 Subject: RICH, others: "Daisy's mother" Message-ID: <20040127003424.UMVI20142.fepF.post.tele.dk@localhost.localdomain> Hey Rich (and everyone)... I always assumed that the older-looking lady duck in WDC&S 111 was Daisy's maid, i. e. her hired household help. Mickey Mouse and other Disney characters were often shown employing maids in the newspaper comics at about this time. Barks would certainly have picked up on this; the WDC&S 111 story makes clear that Barks was reading the contemporary newspaper strips, for he shows Bolivar's puppy Behe, a then-current Karp/Taliaferro creation. It is tempting -- too tempting, if you ask me, to assume that a newly discovered duckface character in Duckburg must ipso facto be a relative of the ducks we already know. It ain't necessarily so. Can we resist the urge to tie everyone to everyone? David From afaria at brasopolis.com.br Tue Jan 27 04:40:57 2004 From: afaria at brasopolis.com.br (Arthur Faria Jr.) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 03:40:57 -0000 Subject: Biquinho Message-ID: <002201c2c5b5$7cfe7ac0$7da5d6c8@arthur> Lars wrote: > By the way, I see you have written a number of Biquinho stories. Do you > have any thoughts on who his parents might be? No, I'm not. Biquinho was created by the editors, and their only concern was to fill a "gap" in the Disney universe: there were no younger characters than the regular 10-years old nephews/nieces. But if I'm not wrong, in Don Rosa's Duck Family Tree we can see that Fethry has a brother, that lumberman (lumberduck?) who appeared in a Barks story... > And one other Fethry-related question: I've always thought Gloria is > Fethry's girlfriend. A while back, though, I read a Brazilian story > where it seemed like *he* was interested in *her*, but not the other way > round. Are they a couple, or have I been wrong for all these years? Yes, Gloria is Fethry's girlfriend in Brazilian stories. The story you read is probably one of the first stories with Gloria, when she and Fethry weren't "officially" together. -- Arthur. From donrosa at iglou.com Tue Jan 27 07:12:50 2004 From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 01:12:50 -0500 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 33 In-Reply-To: <200401262210.i0QMAJM9009550@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: > From: "Dyer, Sonia" > Subject: Inspiration for Scrooge > And yet Carnegie was very much driven by the European model you mention. > Biographies of him show that once he became wealthy, he took his old > mother back to Scotland, and drove her up and down High Street of the > town they had left in a big fancy carriage, waving for all their old > neighbors to see, and then he bought the local castle, and a flower > garden he and his family were never allowed to set foot in when he was a > child. Whether it was Andrew Carnegie or his mother driving these > actions, they were acknowledged to be blatantly intended to generate > envy from their former European neighbors. Interesting! So, this is an "Old World" style of reaction to getting rich in America? I don't remember my Italian grandfather (the original "Keno"), he died when I was 5, and nobody ever told me much about him. I think he might have been a cranky old guy. Or dull, or something. I don't recall anyone speaking fondly of his memory. But I was told that he came to America as a teenager from a small town in northeast Italia called Maniago. He was the illiterate son of a laborer, never had any education and knew the opportunities in America were his only chance to improve his life. He got off the train here in Louisville because this is where he ran out of what money he had. I'll never know any details, but he started his construction business and built it up for about 10 years until he was a major success (he's said to have bought one of the first trucks in the state, that's about the only detail I know), and then went back to Maniago about 1909 to flaunt his wealth in his hometown. To brazenly show off how well he had done despite his lack of education, they say he went after and married the daughter of the aristocratic principal of the local school, had her dash off a bunch of kids (naming one of them America Rosa) and returned to his life in Louisville in 1913. (Perhaps he'd spent most of his time in America during those years and moved his family here in 1913?) Thereafter, I believe he returned to Maniago every year for long visits to play the Big Shot, apparently by himself since my father never went back to Italia after he was brought to America as a child. I guess after escaping the European culture where you could never rise above your caste, Gioachino ("Keno") was flaunting his success with all these trips and behavior back to his hometown? I think he also bought homes for the remaining Rosas in Maniago... they had been female and had married into the Mazzoli family for one. Anyway, none of my Italian relatives are named Rosa to my knowledge. And that might explain another tiny mystery -- in recent years Duckfans in and around Maniago have contacted the remaining Mazzolis who are still living in this house or houses. I've visited many parts of Italia for comic fairs but never the northeast, otherwise I certainly would have gone to Maniago. These friends have given the Mazzolis my name and contact info so that I might communicate with them, my only relatives left on earth. But they won't respond. Maybe they fear that, as the last of the Clan Rosa, I own all their homes? Or... maybe they just plain hated the guts of the American Rosas? Would part of a European model be to hate the relatives that made it big in America? I know many older Europeans/Italians feel that their countrymen who fled to America were "trash". I've had a few smiling, friendly old Italians tell me that during my trips, as if it was simply common knowledge and I already knew my grandfather was dirt. From H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl Tue Jan 27 09:37:51 2004 From: H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl (H.W.Fluks@telecom.tno.nl) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 09:37:51 +0100 Subject: Jules Coenen Message-ID: Pascal wrote: > I just heard the sad news that Disney comic artist Jules > Coenen passed away last week. Sad news indeed. For a short text by Wilbert Plijnaar (in Dutch), see the bottom of this page: http://pub75.ezboard.com/fstripnetstripliefhebbersforumfrm2.showMessageRange?topicID=58.topic&start=41&stop=48 --Harry. Harry Fluks -- TNO Telecom -- Delft -- Nederland h.w.fluks at telecom.tno.nl -- http://dd50.inducks.org "Wat doe ik hier?" From kimba1962 at comcast.net Tue Jan 27 17:35:28 2004 From: kimba1962 at comcast.net (kimba1962@comcast.net) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:35:28 +0000 Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 11, Issue 32 Message-ID: <012720041635.29242.2898@comcast.net> RICH BELLACERA wrote re Daisy: > The Brazilian creators opted for > turning that old silly Daisy Duck into a modern, liberated woman who > coincidently was a "highly motivated TV" (and also newspaper) "journalist > and career woman". This "New Daisy", as she was known, was created > several years before Quack Pack and House of Mouse shows (just > for your information) Did the Brazilians also give Daisy's PHYSICAL appearance a makeover, as was done on QUACK PACK? In the latter, Daisy was given a new, ribbonless hairdo (feather-do?) and a flattering tube dress. I liked this "new look" very much. The HOUSE OF MOUSE Daisy had longer hair (head-feathers?) than the traditional model but more closely resembled the "classic" Daisy than did the QUACK PACK version. I'll have to look at one or two of those Brazilian panels... Rich also wrote re the Riverside Rovers: > Now, concerning the Riverside Rovers, the Soccer Team which Gilbert, Morty & > Ferdie joined; their first appearance in the > USA was published in "MICKEY MOUSE & FRIENDS" # 261. Having only seen them > previously in Danish and Chinese > publications, and never this "origin" tale, I must say I thoroughly enjoyed it! > As i said, having not seen this story until now, I > sort of felt Gilbert's membership on the team seemed out-of-character, but now I > totally understand. I loved it. It helped that Gilbert was given a "makeover" of his own. Away with the mortarboard hat, the collared shirt, and the pocket pen protector (if he never actually sported the latter, he SHOULD have!). Here, he looked like a reasonably "normal" kid. He also didn't drop as many two-dollar words as he used to in those GOOFY filler stories. Halas (the writer) must have recognized that the old characterization simply wouldn't fly any more, even as a caricatured stereotype. I was puzzled by one panel in which Gil started speaking some Goofy-ese ("th'" in the place of "the," etc.). Was this a goof (hyuck) or was Halas trying to make some sort of point about Gil's bonding with the other members of the team? Chris Barat > Send DCML mailing list submissions to > dcml at stp.ling.uu.se > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > dcml-request at stp.ling.uu.se > > You can reach the person managing the list at > dcml-owner at stp.ling.uu.se > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of DCML digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Riddled (Gary Leach) > 2. RE: About Daisy (Arthur Faria Jr.) > 3. The I-Team & The Riverside Rovers (again) (Rich Bellacera) > 4. Re: The I-Team & The Riverside Rovers (again) (Olaf Solstrand) > 5. RE: The I-Team & The Riverside Rovers (again) (Rich Bellacera) > 6. About Daisy (Matthew Williams) > 7. Question about "Romano Scarpa - Sognando la Calidornia" > (Daniel van Eijmeren) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 09:38:06 -0500 > From: Gary Leach > Subject: Riddled > To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se > Message-ID: <16A2FEED-4F44-11D8-B639-000393C28E48 at comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > >> To tease us now would be which, Riddle of the Red Hat? > > > > Either that one or Riddle of the Red Hat. > > > > Frank > > Riddle of the Red Hat? Hmmm...could be, could be. After all, there's > still the possibility it could be Riddle of the Red Hat. Not that I'm > saying anything definitive at this point. Wouldn't be prudent. > > Gary > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 00:40:18 -0200 > From: "Arthur Faria Jr." > Subject: RE: About Daisy > To: "DcML" > Message-ID: <001b01c3e35e$f33566a0$66a5d6c8 at arthur> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > I've thoroughly enjoyed what folks have had to say about Daisy, and I've > > been disappointed that the thread hasn't drawn more attention. IMHO, I > > think Daisy ISN'T a very satisfying character most of the time. (...) > > > Daisy has her moments, even though her character has so many diverse > > incarnations! Some of my favorite Daisy moments (in no particular order) > > are. > > > *The Donald short cartoon, "Donald's Dilemma." She's a strongly > > identifiable character here, and I love when she shouts "ME! ME! ME!" > > *The Donald short cartoon, "Daisy's Diary." She is a really sexist > > stereotype there, but she is awful funny. I love how she looks after the > > honeymoon is over! I love all of the sailors outside of the chapel too! > > *The Blocks' "Three Little Cupids." Daisy's a perfect match for Donald in > > this story! She actually has a tangible personality that isn't an > > unrealistic superwoman or a sexist stereotype. > > *Van Horn's "Heavy Duty." I love the unwitting destruction she wreaks on > > Donald in this story. > > *Janet Gilbert's "Night Shift." Daisy's a realistic, psychologically > > satisfying character in a very absurd situation. This story really > tickled > > me! > > > > Matt, unfortunately you never read any of the hundreds of Brazilian > Daisy stories published in her own comic book "Margarida" from 1986 to 1997 > (257 issues) You can see some covers at: > > http://www.papersera.net/vilaxurupita/mg/mg001_025.htm > > and complete issue indexing in Inducks. The Brazilian creators opted for > turning that old silly Daisy Duck into a modern, liberated woman who > coincidently was a "highly motivated TV" (and also newspaper) "journalist > and career woman". This "New Daisy", as she was known, was created > several years before Quack Pack and House of Mouse shows (just > for your information) > > Anyway, I'm sure you'd love to read those Brazilian Daisy stories --- > which were also published in Italy, some in France and few > in Denmark I guess. (Maybe other countries don't like motivated > female characters... :-) > > -- Arthur. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:09:26 -0800 > From: Rich Bellacera > Subject: The I-Team & The Riverside Rovers (again) > To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain > > Thanks to Olaf the Blue for sharing his knowledge of the I-Team last time the > subject was brought up, but now that we've > had a few stories with them here in the USA it can be added that the translators > seem to have favored calling P.C. (the > cat-faced girl) "Sonya" and Benny (the owl-faced boy) "Beaky" instead of a > direct carryover of the already English naming. I > wonder why those names were changed and Mack (the dog-faced boy) and CLINT the > computer remaind unchanged? > > Oh, since it wasn't mentioned in Olaf message last time, the name CLINT is an > acronym for "Computer Limited > Intelligence Nutty Technocrat" (according to the database). > > However, I still don't know what the "I" in "I-Team" stands for. Anyone know? > > Now, concerning the Riverside Rovers, the Soccer Team which Gilbert, Morty & > Ferdie joined; their first appearance in the > USA was published in "MICKEY MOUSE & FRIENDS" # 261. Having only seen them > previously in Danish and Chinese > publications, and never this "origin" tale, I must say I thoroughly enjoyed it! > As i said, having not seen this story until now, I > sort of felt Gilbert's membership on the team seemed out-of-character, but now I > totally understand. I loved it. > > Another interesting thing brought up in the story is that we learn that Morty & > Ferdie live in..... "Mouseton".... Uh, that's the > first time I've seen Gemstone use that name. I'm pleased. Also, apparently > their mother (who makes her modern-day > debut in the USA, I think) writes for the Mouseton Argus, which I assume is > Mouseton's newspaper? > > I'm guessing that "Riverside" is the name of a neighboring town to Mouseton, > also? > > I look forward to more of the Riverside Rovers in future issues of Gemstone > publications. So far, the team-players who > were named match those of other countries where these tales have appeared. Only > Nipper, Pat, Mitch and Husky are the > only ones named so far. It remains to be seen if the rest will be called Spike, > Sly, Kevin & Wally, and the last member , > #12, whose name escapes me at the moment , will be named thusly. > > I hope Gemstone will opt to publish some of the newer Junior Woodchuck stories > featuring the moguls Bertie McGoose & > Clarissa von Scout in the near future as well. > > Thanks, > > Rich Bellacera > xephyr at cwnet.com > > > > > ---- Msg sent via CWNet - http://www.cwnet.com/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:47:54 +0100 > From: Olaf Solstrand > Subject: Re: The I-Team & The Riverside Rovers (again) > To: xephyr at cwnet.com, dcml at stp.ling.uu.se > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed > > På Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:09:26 -0800, skrev Rich Bellacera > : > > > Thanks to Olaf the Blue for sharing his knowledge of the I-Team last time > > the subject was brought up, but now that we've had a few stories with > > them here in the USA it can be added that the translators seem to have > > favored calling P.C. (the cat-faced girl) "Sonya" and Benny (the owl- > > faced boy) "Beaky" instead of a direct carryover of the already English > > naming. I wonder why those names were changed and Mack (the dog-faced > > boy) and CLINT the computer remaind unchanged? > > I noticed the "Sonya" name myself, and reacted to it because I thought P.C. > was such a wonderful name... Oh well... > > > > > However, I still don't know what the "I" in "I-Team" stands for. Anyone > > know? > > I can make a guess. In Norway, they have the name "IT-gjengen" - "the IT > posse" or something - where IT is a widely known acronym of information > technology. Maybe the I in "I-Team" also stands for information or > information technology. To say for sure, I guess one needs access to the > English version of their first story... Anyone in Egmont who knows? > > > > > I'm guessing that "Riverside" is the name of a neighboring town to > > Mouseton, also? > > I always thought of that name as "the rovers at the riverside in > Mouseton(/Duckburg)". As far as I remember, their soccer field is by the > river, isn't it? Also, in Norwegian translations it's translated > accurately, into "Elvebreddskameratene" (riverside mates). > > > -- > Olaf "the Blue" Solstrand > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:09:51 +0000 > From: Rich Bellacera > Subject: RE: The I-Team & The Riverside Rovers (again) > To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se > Message-ID: <4013CE2F.6090104 at cwnet.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Olaf Solstrand said: > >Maybe the I in "I-Team" also stands for information or > information technology. > > The "Information Team"? That makes sense to me, too. IT is an acronym > for Information > Technology here in the USA, too. > > >> I'm guessing that "Riverside" is the name of a neighboring town to > >> Mouseton, also? > > >I always thought of that name as "the rovers at the riverside in > >Mouseton(/Duckburg)". As far as I remember, their soccer field is by the > >river, isn't it? Also, in Norwegian translations it's translated > >accurately, into "Elvebreddskameratene" (riverside mates). > > O.K. That could very well be the case in the US English version of the story, > too, but I'm not sure it's very common in many towns to have more than one > "team" representing the town, unless, I guess, if the town is quite large enough > to accommodate many teams. In the story, as presented in MM&F, the "Mouseton" > team was already full so Mrs. Fieldmouse opted to sign her sons and Gilbert up > with the Riverside Rovers who happened to be sharing practice in the same park > as the "FC Mouseton Juniors" (the local Mouseton team). In my own experience, > my hometown was spread out so far that there was definitely more than one team > representing my town, but we weren't close enough to share the same practice > field. So, I guess you could be right. It would also explain why Morty, Ferdie > & Gilbert had never met any of the other kids before, too if they all live in > Mouseton. > > Thanks, Rich > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040125/842575b2/attachment-00 > 01.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 17:41:44 -0500 > From: "Matthew Williams" > Subject: About Daisy > To: > Message-ID: <000301c3e394$6dc2be10$c024d044 at youroxg2elbf6o> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Thank you so much, Arthur! I'm fascinated by the covers, particularly > Daisy's trendy clothing. I'm intrigued by the glimpses I've gotten of > Brazilian Disney comics over the years. Unfortunately, I've never had the > opportunity to actually read any translated comics. I'm hope to see a > greater international scope represented in the US one day! > > Matt > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 03:53:53 +0100 > From: "Daniel van Eijmeren" > Subject: Question about "Romano Scarpa - Sognando la Calidornia" > To: > Message-ID: <20040126025213.4EFF6BE619 at cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > According to my files, there should be a publication titled > 'Romano Scarpa - Sognando la Calidornia', published in April 2001. > > It should contain a reproduction of a 1975 letter(?) from Barks to > Scarpa, which contains a "siren idea" for Scarpa's Brigitta. > See: http://www.seriesam.com/barks/df_75scarpa.jpg > According to my files, this material is a reprint of 'I Maestri > Disney' #14, March 1999. > > Is the above information correct? > > Can you tell me more about 'Sognando la Calidornia'? Is it a > compilation of comic book stories, a biography, or both? > What kind of cover does it have? > > The book is mentioned at > http://www.dimensionedelta.net/scarpa/calidornia/ > In part, the text on that page reads: "Presentato a Torino Comics il > 28 Aprile 2001, è ora disponibile nelle migliori fumetterie e librerie > specializzate pubblicato dalla Vittorio Pavesio Productions. Il volume > è di ben 244 pagine (di cui 16 a colori) e di formato medio-grande > (21,5 x 27,8 cm) a lire 58.000." > > But I can't understand Italian. (The link to an English text doesn't > work.) And I can't find the book at INDUCKS. Neither the "siren idea" > drawing for Scarpa. Does this mean that they haven't been indexed at > INDUCKS? > > Are Alberto Becattini, Luca Boschi, Leonardo Gori, and Andrea Sani the > authors of the book? > > Any help will be appreciated, as always. > > --- Daniël > > "Stop! You don't know what you're doing to yourself" > (Which Barks story?) :-) > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > dcml at stp.ling.uu.se - Disney Comics Mailing List > http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml > > > End of DCML Digest, Vol 11, Issue 32 > ************************************ From xephyr at cwnet.com Tue Jan 27 18:29:49 2004 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 09:29:49 -0800 Subject: Daisy & the Riverside Rovers [was: DCML Digest, Vol 11, Issue 32] Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040127/af726266/attachment.pl From xephyr at cwnet.com Tue Jan 27 18:29:49 2004 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 09:29:49 -0800 Subject: Daisy & the Riverside Rovers [was: DCML Digest, Vol 11, Issue 32] Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040127/1388f1c3/attachment.pl From sonia.dyer at hp.com Tue Jan 27 19:57:22 2004 From: sonia.dyer at hp.com (Dyer, Sonia) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:57:22 -0800 Subject: Origin of Scrooge Message-ID: <1C4766A743ADF74FAEDF2AAD0679BAA2829F97@cacexc03.americas.cpqcorp.net> Don Rosa wrote: >Would part of a European model be to hate the relatives that >made it big in America? I know many older Europeans/Italians >feel that their countrymen who fled to America were "trash". >I've had a few smiling, friendly old Italians tell me that >during my trips, as if it was simply common knowledge and I >already knew my grandfather was dirt. Well the Carnegie's certainly felt their Scottish neighbors considered them dirt when they left town. The husband was a respectable linen weaver until driven bankrupt by the Industrial Revolution. In those days, going bankrupt or just being poor was considered a moral failing, not just a financial problem. I wonder what Scrooge's Scottish neighbors thought when he left town, dirt poor. And how did they react when he came back from America rich? And did Scrooge flaunt his wealth to show his family wasn't dirt after all, and to generate envy from the old nay-sayers? Hmmmm. Possible story there. Sonia From donrosa at iglou.com Tue Jan 27 21:49:13 2004 From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 15:49:13 -0500 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 35 In-Reply-To: <200401271900.i0RJ0MM9027030@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: > From: "Dyer, Sonia" > Subject: Origin of Scrooge > I wonder what Scrooge's Scottish neighbors thought when he left > town, dirt poor. And how did they react when he came back from America > rich? And did Scrooge flaunt his wealth to show his family wasn't dirt > after all, and to generate envy from the old nay-sayers? Hmmmm. > Possible story there. Yeah -- I did that story over 10 years ago... "Lo$" episode 9, "The Billionaire of Dismal Downs". From xephyr at cwnet.com Tue Jan 27 23:33:08 2004 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:33:08 -0800 Subject: Riverside Rover #12? Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040127/72d93558/attachment.pl From Anthvvuono at aol.com Wed Jan 28 06:22:27 2004 From: Anthvvuono at aol.com (Anthvvuono@aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 00:22:27 EST Subject: Questions for Mr. Rosa Message-ID: Dear Don Rosa, Did you come up with an idea for a new story as of yet? Also, what kind of pictures have you been drawing for the French magazine? In the meantime, I'm looking forward to reading your epic "Dream of a Lifetime" later this spring in Uncle Scrooge 329. I saw on a comics website that Gemstone is publishing it then. Sincerely, Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040128/17657cc4/attachment.html From xephyr at cwnet.com Mon Jan 26 21:20:03 2004 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:20:03 -0800 Subject: Are there TWO Professor Zeros? Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040126/97dc8a75/attachment.pl From donrosa at iglou.com Wed Jan 28 15:13:00 2004 From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 09:13:00 -0500 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 36 In-Reply-To: <200401281102.i0SB1XM9009318@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: From: Anthvvuono at aol.com Subject: Questions for Mr. Rosa >>>>>Dear Don Rosa, Did you come up with an idea for a new story as of yet? I think it will be another "Three Caballeros" story, this one set in Jose's Brazil since the last one was set in Panchito's Mexico. And it might amuse the folks there (if they aren't too upset that I don't follow their version of Jose as a bum/con man) when I tour parts of Brazil during the Recife comic festival I'm invited to in May. >>>>> Also, what kind of pictures have you been drawing for the French magazine? Pin-ups. The kind men like. No, I mean pin-ups based on the Barks or Rosa story in the issue. (We refer to PICSOU.) So far I've done pin-ups for "A Cold Bargain" (already published), "The Guardians of the Lost Library", and a "generic" Barks homage for a "Barks Homage" issue -- that one is a sort of game where I show the Ducks marching off on some quest or trip, and I have insets of 18 different treasures or "unique items" that were featured in various Barks adventures; the readers (I assume) will be given a chance to name the items, or maybe they'll just print a key to them on another page. >>>>In the meantime, I'm looking forward to reading your epic "Dream of a Lifetime" later this spring in Uncle Scrooge 329. I just received the issue of ZIO PAPERONE that featured that story, with nifty Marco Rota front and back covers with scenes from same. As always, the Italian presentation is the best thus far, especially with the extensive lead-in article by DCML member Luca Boschi; I hope the American version will be even better... except for where they gave the Beagle Boys white colored hands (creepy... white gloves with hair and fingernails on them? Looked like something Ed Gein or Hannibal Lector would wear!), the coloring on my stuff in the Gemstones has been lovely! The Italian version (and Italian Disney stuff in general) had its own usual coloring oddity, one I've never asked anyone about... but everyone is always wearing bright yellow shoes and boots. Is that some sort of in-joke for Mickey Mouse foot fetishists? Or is it another Ed Gein thing? From mickey at iol.it Wed Jan 28 16:38:07 2004 From: mickey at iol.it (Mickey) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 16:38:07 +0100 Subject: Questions about Lo$ References: Message-ID: <005001c3e5b4$ba5f7d40$2c133152@uno> Hi, everybody... I know it might sound incredible: there is still somebody who have questions about Lo$ (and the Family Tree)! I know that an answer to the following has been given (or can't!), but I must have missed them :) Greater the work (Lo$), more the analysis, isn't it? 1) Where does "Abner" comes from about Whitewater Duck? And the "Dabney" for Humperdink? 2) Are any other b-chapters of the Lo$ planned? 3) Is it now impossible that the Ducks were in Dawson at the time of Scrooge (as intended in the rejected storyboards of Don Rosa), isn't it? Even if they didn't met? 4) Is the "Mabel" who appears at the end of the chapter 10 of Lo$ another homage to Barks? Sorry for the "bordome" and the mistakes. bye Mickey From lpj at forfatter.dk Wed Jan 28 18:06:21 2004 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 18:06:21 +0100 Subject: Forbes Fictional 15 Message-ID: <03fa01c3e5c3$c65d69e0$41789dd9@idb3156> Rich Bellacera wrote: > The real mystery is still "who is the SECOND richest duck?" Is it > Glomgold or Rockerduck? Both have made this claim. There have been varying interpretations of the two characters, but the most common view of them is that Flintheart Glomgold is the second-richest duck in the world. (Indeed, that's his whole reason for having been invented and his main motivation for going after Scrooge.) John D Rockerduck is "merely" a very very rich duck who lives in the same city as Scrooge and thus competes with him. Perhaps Rockerduck is the second-richest duck in Duckburg, but since that wouldn't affect his motivation one bit, there's no point in speculating on that here. You can read more on the differences between Glomgold and Rockerduck in this posting by David Gerstein: http://stp.ling.uu.se/pipermail/dcml/2003-September/025158.html . Lars From lpj at forfatter.dk Wed Jan 28 18:04:56 2004 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 18:04:56 +0100 Subject: The I-Team & The Riverside Rovers (again) Message-ID: <03f901c3e5c3$c5e97260$41789dd9@idb3156> Rich Bellacera wrote: > I still don't know what the "I" in "I-Team" stands for. Anyone know? I believe it stands for "Information" (as in "Information Technology"). > I'm guessing that "Riverside" is the name of a neighboring town to > Mouseton, also? According to Egmont, "Riverside Rovers" is named this way because the club is situated by the side of the Duckburg River. (Yes, these stories take place in Duckburg.) Or, to put it shorter: What Olaf said. Lars From lpj at forfatter.dk Wed Jan 28 18:03:32 2004 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 18:03:32 +0100 Subject: Donald and the Girls Message-ID: <03f701c3e5c3$c4fe7620$41789dd9@idb3156> Nils "Klartekst" Smeby wrote: > in "The Oddyssey" by Gorm Transgård and Vicar (D96308) Donald is > shipwrecked on a tropical island and meets a beautiful pearl diver. He > is certainly in love with her and she seems more than a little > interested in him too. Wouldn't it be fun if she turned up in Duckburg > one day? Especially since, according to this story, the reason Donald > always wears a sailor's suit is so that she will recognize him if they > ever meet again. A sequal just waiting to be told, hint, hint. Doing a sequel to "The Odyssey" certainly has possibilities, but I'm not sure it's a good idea. If we want to avoid the sequel being pointless (and thus frustrate the readers), it would have to feature more than a cameo from the girl. She would have to meet up with Donald and get to know him. Which then raises the problem: If the girl knows everything about Donald, including who he is and where he lives, why does he continue to wear his sailor suit after that? And since (for the sake of continuity) Donald and the pearl diver would have to split up at the end of the story, we would be reducing the girl from being a mysterious "lost love" to merely being some girl Donald was interested in at some point -- but no longer is. (Not as much as he is in Daisy, anyway.) While doing a sequel to "The Odyssey" might be fun, there's a good chance it would work negatively on the story it's supposed to be an homage to. Lars From lpj at forfatter.dk Wed Jan 28 18:06:53 2004 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 18:06:53 +0100 Subject: Riverside Rover #12? Message-ID: <03fb01c3e5c3$c72ffc20$41789dd9@idb3156> Rich Bellacera wrote: > Anyone know the name of the 12th member of the Riverside Rovers? [...] > I think I translated his name to "Sam" [...] Sam he am. > Morty & Ferdy Their names are Morty and Ferdie. (Note the spelling.) > Mitch [cow] Mitch is a bull. Lars From lpj at forfatter.dk Wed Jan 28 18:04:07 2004 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 18:04:07 +0100 Subject: Vacation Message-ID: <03f801c3e5c3$c57b9560$41789dd9@idb3156> Hi everybody. A while back I mentioned obscure Duck Tales character Vacation Van Hump. I've just learned his name is actually Vacation Van Honk. Just in case anybody is even remotely interested... Lars From lpj at forfatter.dk Wed Jan 28 18:10:40 2004 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 18:10:40 +0100 Subject: Biquinho Message-ID: <03fe01c3e5c3$c89fb8c0$41789dd9@idb3156> Arthur Faria Jr. wrote: >> By the way, I see you have written a number of Biquinho stories. Do >> you have any thoughts on who his parents might be? > > No. [...] But if I'm not wrong, in Don Rosa's Duck Family Tree we can > see that Fethry has a brother, that lumberman (lumberduck?) who > appeared in a Barks story... Whitewater, yeah. To be honest, I don't really see him working as Fethry's brother -- they're too different, in my opinion. Oh well, Biquinho has managed to get along without parents since 1982... :-) Again, thanks for your help. We see almost no Brazilian stories in Denmark, so it's hard for me to get a grip on these characters. Lars From xephyr at cwnet.com Wed Jan 28 18:45:01 2004 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 09:45:01 -0800 Subject: Riverside Rover #12? Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040128/2e054d48/attachment.pl From xephyr at cwnet.com Wed Jan 28 19:25:31 2004 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:25:31 -0800 Subject: Biquinho Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040128/18b30622/attachment.pl From jongraywb at hotmail.com Wed Jan 28 20:53:52 2004 From: jongraywb at hotmail.com (Jonathan H. Gray) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 13:53:52 -0600 Subject: About Daisy Message-ID: Coming in late to the conversation ^^;; Sorry to say it but Daisy has always been my least favorite Duck character. =\ Sometimes she's can be written so obnoxiously shallow or as such a blatant stereotype that it can get outright crazy. The fact that she can be written as such being so "itchy-bay" at times is kinda what turns me off. Theres a difference between being a strong female lead and being a loon just to be one. :P Its probably exaggerating of me to say so, but there are several times I've read her where she seems to single handedly set women back 50 years. -_- In a select few Daisy Duck Diary stories she can turn out OK, and as much as I despise everything else about that show, Quack Pack had probably one of the best characterizations of her (along with a somewhat nifty design). But otherwise Daisy has never really been my favorite unless she's toned down from what she was considerable. One story I've always wanted to read for years was one I heard that either Romano Scarpa or Giorgio Cavazzano did in which Donald fell in love with another woman who actually treated him right. Unfortunately it couldnt work due to some reason or another and he ended up at the end back with Daisy. Sounds like it was poignant and I dont remember where I read the description of it at. Sound familiar to anybody? Jonathan H. Gray New Artist Of The "Sonic The Hedgehog" Comic! Sonic #134, #138 CNW & Time Trouble: My Daily Comic Strips - http://diversions.toonzone.net/chipandwalter The CKC Message Board - http://diversions.toonzone.net/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi Dub's Daily Journal - http://www.deadjournal.com/users/wb/ The Knothole Village Forum - http://pub228.ezboard.com/fsonichqcommunityfrm8 >From: "Simon de Beer" >To: >Subject: About Daisy >Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:09:12 -0000 > >Contrary to other views, I am a great fan of daisy. Yes, of course in some >stories her character is not rounded and she only exists to act as a foil >for Donald to facilitate plot development. > >However, this is not the whole story. I especially enjoy her character in >Barks & Strobl Dear Diary stories. Yes, daisy is "self-centred, selfish >bitch" some of the time, but this is what makes her so interesting. >_______________________________________________ >http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml _________________________________________________________________ Find high-speed ‘net deals — comparison-shop your local providers here. https://broadband.msn.com From jongraywb at hotmail.com Wed Jan 28 20:59:31 2004 From: jongraywb at hotmail.com (Jonathan H. Gray) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 13:59:31 -0600 Subject: Uncle Scrooge/Law-Abiding Message-ID: As a general statement, the Europeans tend to take a >more socialized view that somehow gathering great wealth is bad, and >therefore must have been done illegally or at least immorally, and that >great wealth must be redistributed. Americans admire the Bill Gates Heehee - you've obviously never met half my computer geek friends. ^__^ Jonathan H. Gray New Artist Of The "Sonic The Hedgehog" Comic! Sonic #134, #138 CNW & Time Trouble: My Daily Comic Strips - http://diversions.toonzone.net/chipandwalter The CKC Message Board - http://diversions.toonzone.net/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi Dub's Daily Journal - http://www.deadjournal.com/users/wb/ The Knothole Village Forum - http://pub228.ezboard.com/fsonichqcommunityfrm8 _________________________________________________________________ High-speed users—be more efficient online with the new MSN Premium Internet Software. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1 From ggk at wp.pl Wed Jan 28 20:53:18 2004 From: ggk at wp.pl (KUR) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 20:53:18 +0100 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 36 References: Message-ID: <001c01c3e5d8$60ccb170$4fcbfea9@z0m3c8> Don Rosa : > I think it will be another "Three Caballeros" story, this one set in Jose's > Brazil since the last one was set in Panchito's Mexico. And it might amuse > the folks there (if they aren't too upset that I don't follow their version > of Jose as a bum/con man) when I tour parts of Brazil during the Recife > comic festival I'm invited to in May. Wow!!!! The "Three Caballeros ride agian" story was great (propebly the best Duck story I ever sene) sow I relly happy theat Jose and Panchito will be back soon. I think they are very cool charecter's and It's sad they don't aperd often in Egmont storys :-(( In dis new story, will there be a musical number agian? I relly like the one from "The Tree Caballeros ride agian" :-) Yours Maciek Kur From jongraywb at hotmail.com Wed Jan 28 21:18:32 2004 From: jongraywb at hotmail.com (Jonathan H. Gray) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 14:18:32 -0600 Subject: Donald and the girls Message-ID: > >Hi, > >Donald had an exciting romantic adventure with Miss Swansdown-Swoonsudden >in "Jet Rescue" (WDC 67). He's also quite partial to other girls in Italian >Disney comics, I believe, most of all to Reginella, who appeared in a >series of Cavazzano drawn stories: > >http://www-lce.eng.cam.ac.uk/~fms27/disney/cavazzano/avventura-sottomarina.jpg > >Frank > Speak of the devil - if that aint the exact story I was talking about. @_@ Seems like it'd be a pretty good one to find and print someday on down the road too... **Sends a look at Gemstone** NUDGENUDGEWINKWINKHINTHINTNUDGE :) Jonathan H. Gray New Artist Of The "Sonic The Hedgehog" Comic! Sonic #134, #138 CNW & Time Trouble: My Daily Comic Strips - http://diversions.toonzone.net/chipandwalter The CKC Message Board - http://diversions.toonzone.net/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi Dub's Daily Journal - http://www.deadjournal.com/users/wb/ The Knothole Village Forum - http://pub228.ezboard.com/fsonichqcommunityfrm8 _________________________________________________________________ Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! http://shopping.msn.com/softcontent/softcontent.aspx?scmId=1418 From brit.lunnan at chello.no Wed Jan 28 22:05:57 2004 From: brit.lunnan at chello.no (Lunnan & Hjort) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 22:05:57 +0100 Subject: how to mark Carl Barks' 103th birthday Message-ID: <000c01c3e5e2$869cd2e0$40246f50@chello.no> March 27, 2004: Barks' 103th birthday. How to spend it? How to mark the occasion? Well: you might consider going to Tralla La, or a decent copy thereof. Such a tour is in fact being organised, by Norwegian Donaldists Tor ?demark and Torill Hylland. The "Tralla La" in question is the valley between Stalheim and Gudvangen, on the west coast of Norway. Hylland appears to be the owner of Gudvangen Fjordhotel, and she has tried to make her hotel, and its vicinity, have resemblances to the famous Tralla La valley. (And two of her cooks have been picked from Neuschwanstein in southern Germany; there lies the castle that reportedly gave Walt Disney the inspiration for the Sleeping Beauty castle of Disneyland.) The tour is (apparently) open to everyone worthy of the "Donaldist" or "Barksist" label. The tour involves: * Friday 26th: Bus from Oslo to Gudvangen, ultra-scenic ride. Various Barksian events at night. * Saturday 27th: Excursion costs 10 bottlecaps. Boattrip to the famous & scenic Fl?m. More Tralla La events. Dinner with speeches and lectures (?). * Sunday 28th: Long breakfast, more seminars (?). Then bus to Oslo at 13:00. The total price, for bus Oslo - Gudvangen and back, two nights, dinners and lunches and breakfasts, according to the invitation I got in the mail today, is NOK 950 (about Euro 120; quite a reasonable price, I'd say, for Norway; a similar weekend with ordinary hotel prices would easily cost the double). Tor ?demark has been an active Barksist and comics fan for a number of years. He has published articles in various fan-magazines, and once in the mid-1980ies (?) he went to Oregon to meet Barks, the whole thing covered in the press. If you are interested, you may contact Mr ?demark at tor at nortur.no , or telephone (+47) 22 80 37 30. Nils Lid Hjort PS: I am simply reporting the basic facts of the invitation I received today, and have nothing to do with either T? or the arrangement! I do assume that it is ok for me to report on this event on the DCML, as the organisers ask us to make it "more public", and to mention this to persons that they might have "forgotten". While this is geared mostly towards the vaguely defined crowd of "Norwegian Barks fans who might have known Tor ?demark 10-20-30 years ago", it is clear that also people outside this core segment will be welcomed. I notice that both Don Rosa and Marco Rota are on the invitees list. -- This list is a bit "pre industrial revolution", dating essentially to the pre-email and pre-DCML days, I observe; there are arguably "famous present names" not on the list, etc. From info at klartekst.no Sat Jan 31 22:29:24 2004 From: info at klartekst.no (Klartekst) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 22:29:24 +0100 Subject: Donald and the Girls Message-ID: <003f01c3e841$4d905a10$8119fea9@klartekst> LARS JENSEN worote: You're right. Donald and the pearl diver could never meet. So what if she met Daisy instead and Daisy somehow found out about her and Donald? The story would then centre around Daisy who now has a tough decision to make: Should she tell Donald about the girl or not? Then something happens that forces Daisy's hand and ... Well, I guess that wouldn't work either, but it's fun to think about. And it could be poignant while at the same time giving the reader a chance to explore the relationship between Daisy and Donald from a different angle. Nils Smeby From kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net Thu Jan 29 02:40:28 2004 From: kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 20:40:28 -0500 Subject: Vacation Van Honk Message-ID: <000301c3e608$e5a9e770$c824d044@youroxg2elbf6o> Rich, To the best of my memory Vacation Van Honk is in "Sir Gyro Do Gearloose" (his automatic dressing machine is on the fritz near the beginning of the episode) and "Magica's Shadow War" (Magica's shadow tries to steal his wallet). What's the story behind this most minor of characters? Ws he ever intended to have a bigger role in the series? Matt From Danehog at aol.com Thu Jan 29 04:45:31 2004 From: Danehog at aol.com (Danehog@aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 22:45:31 EST Subject: Thoughts on Daisy Message-ID: <12a.3a3a63e3.2d49dbdb@aol.com> I know this contribution is late, but (insert predictable clich? here). Daisy is characterless. She exists for her stereotype. She has no real, identified personality. But despite all of this, don't we NEED her? What would Disney (the comics and otherwise) be without her? Although she exists for the sole purpose of being Donald's girl friend, we NEED someone to exist for that reason. "Flat" characters should be a part of any "universe," whether it's in a cartoon or TV show or novel - even "flat" characters who appear regularly. Believe it or not, certain scenarios (in the cartoons more than the comics, admittedly) have worked really well with Daisy, one of the Disney universe's truly weak characters. And although she appears frequently in merchandising and whatnot, I think she was used (fittingly) sparingly in the cartoons and comics. The character worked - and still does, to an extent. Daisy shouldn't be criticized as a character, since, in a way, she ISN'T one. She's a plot device. All good literature needs its character-disguised plot devices. Thanks for making your way through this fragmented drivel. Are there any thoughts on my views? How completely "off" am I? Dane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040129/d90d9eb4/attachment.html From Danehog at aol.com Thu Jan 29 04:49:07 2004 From: Danehog at aol.com (Danehog@aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 22:49:07 EST Subject: Mickey Mouse in Color - Reissued? Message-ID: <113.2e2b157f.2d49dcb3@aol.com> Is everyone aware that Gemstone has apparently rereleased the popular version of the "Mickey Mouse in Color" book that appeared during the early Gladstone days? I've seen it in two separate (American) comic shops. I'm not sure if it's a reprint or "leftovers" from the original print - I didn't check. Just thought I'd alert everyone; sorry if this is old news. Dane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040129/e51b487c/attachment.html From YMH at aol.com Thu Jan 29 07:15:06 2004 From: YMH at aol.com (YMH@aol.com) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 01:15:06 EST Subject: Gemstone Coloring Message-ID: <85.4121a1f.2d49feea@aol.com> In a message dated 1/28/2004 1:43:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, Don Rosa writes: the coloring on my stuff in the Gemstones has been lovely! Hmm... I've actually been rather disappointed by the Gemstone coloring in general... Everything seems to be rather flat; there isn't much done in terms of lighting and depth, and sometimes, collections of details in the background are just colored a uniform shade instead of being colored individually. Gary, is this a deliberate choice to make the comics look more "cartoony" than they would otherwise, or is it a matter of the amount of time available to color the stories? If the former, would you be willing to experiment and see which kind of coloring readers like better? :-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040129/5e345d74/attachment.html From donrosa at iglou.com Thu Jan 29 08:30:26 2004 From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 02:30:26 -0500 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 37 In-Reply-To: <200401281843.i0SIh3M9004199@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: > From: "Mickey" > Subject: Questions about Lo$ > 1) Where does "Abner" comes from about Whitewater Duck? And the > "Dabney" for > Humperdink? I had to choose a name for "Whitewater" Duck since that's obviously a nickname. I thought "Abner" had a backwoods sound. Same for "Dabney", but afterwards I was told that the name "Humperdink" was once used in an old obscure (non-Barks) story in a way that it probably referred to Grandma Duck's husband, but that was after the first publication of my Family Tree. I am happy to accept "Humperdink" as a replacement name, but "Dabney" is in the permanent Egmont script for that project and it can't be changed except by intervention of knowledgeable translators, such as the one or two reading this ML. As for Whitewater's brother Fethry, another thread is saying that he can't be acceptable as Whitewater's brother (I don't think somebody has met very many brothers), and that I gave his inclusion "no thought" when I popped him into my Tree on editorial direction. I think people would know by now that I don't do *anything* without careful consideration... probably way TOO much for my own good! If Fethry's last name is Duck and he's Donald's cousin, there's no place else he could be than the son of a son of Grandma. And the same goes for Whitewater. Therefore they must be brothers. Sure, I could have made up another whole duck as another son to Grandma, but I made up absolutely NO characters in that Tree except those necessitated by already existing characters so that there's be no out-of-wedlock shenanigans. Making up characters for no reason would have violated my entire purpose. And, if it makes any difference to anyone, that Family Tree was one of the few things I worked on directly with Mr.Barks... he made his comments and suggestions and I followed them when I could, but there was no objection to the Fethry-Whitewater question (though I suspect that's because he really didn't remember Whitewater and probably didn't know Fethry). > 2) Are any other b-chapters of the Lo$ planned? Oh, yes, indeedy. > 3) Is it now impossible that the Ducks were in Dawson at the time > of Scrooge > (as intended in the rejected storyboards of Don Rosa), isn't it? Even if > they didn't met? Yes, I'd say so -- they don't seem to have met until 1902, and obviously had been working the farm for some 20 years before that. > 4) Is the "Mabel" who appears at the end of the chapter 10 of Lo$ another > homage to Barks? No. Does she look like Barks? I hope not. You mean did Barks ever use a "Mabel"? No, she's just a background character to show settlers moving into Duckburg. From madsj at raptus.dk Thu Jan 29 09:40:59 2004 From: madsj at raptus.dk (Mads Jensen) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 09:40:59 +0100 Subject: Mickey Mouse in Color - Reissued? Message-ID: <200401290940.AA59310440@raptus.dk> Hi Yeah, we spoke about this some time ago! Apparently the book isn't very popular, so they still have some (don't know how many, though) left at the original price! Giving $280 more for material already availble in CBL seems a bit overestimated! Unfortunately Gemstone is not reissueing the Fine Art book (including the 80's and 90's paintings which the first edition didn't have, due the time of the printing), or the "Life and Times" by Barks book! Best wishes, Mads From jean-marc.bano at wanadoo.fr Thu Jan 29 11:54:11 2004 From: jean-marc.bano at wanadoo.fr (jeanmarcbano) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:54:11 +0100 Subject: Daisy : a real character? Message-ID: <000601c3e656$3a9560f0$a2f93251@jmbano> Yes, i think this isn't really interesting to develop an important analysis on Daisy because the character has not really substance, she is - when she is used - just a tool for the intrigue or, above all, for some funny scenes, and i don't know really important comics stories of Donald and Scrooge where she plays an important part, she is just a cameo and an unsubstantial character in all the stories i know; in fact, Duckburg seems to be, above all, a world of men. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040129/4824ba38/attachment.html From jean-marc.bano at wanadoo.fr Thu Jan 29 13:37:30 2004 From: jean-marc.bano at wanadoo.fr (jeanmarcbano) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:37:30 +0100 Subject: Daisy : a real character? Part II: but... Message-ID: <000601c3e664$a9913610$ccfff951@jmbano> However, to be fair, Daisy has a certain kindness, and sometimes has more brains than Donald in some situations (Donald can be a dumb, Scrooge too); besides, the character of Magica De Spell (Miss Stick in french) is not really developped too like female character, her aim is always the same: to get Scrooge first dime, and she has not real historic background; i don't compare her to Daisy of course, Daisy is a far much more likable character. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040129/b3b52da8/attachment.html From mickey at iol.it Thu Jan 29 14:22:32 2004 From: mickey at iol.it (Mickey) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:22:32 +0100 Subject: Questions about Lo$ Message-ID: <000501c3e66a$f4502200$3679b650@uno> Don Rosa: >If Fethry's last name is Duck and he's Donald's cousin, there's no place else he could be than the son of a son of Grandma. >And the same goes for Whitewater. Therefore they must be brothers. Yes, you've done the best possible choice. Another son of Grandma would have been too much. Moreover, two guys can be brothers even if they have nothing in common! > > 2) Are any other b-chapters of the Lo$ planned? > Oh, yes, indeedy. Great! If you had wanted, you would have already given more details in the answer... wouldn't you? T_T > No. Does she look like Barks? I hope not. Ahahaha sorry if I've expressed myself badly ^_^;; > You mean did Barks ever use a "Mabel"? No, she's just a background character to show settlers moving into > Duckburg. You never know! Thanks... Mickey From lschulte at sfstoledo.org Thu Jan 29 16:29:37 2004 From: lschulte at sfstoledo.org (L. Schulte) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 10:29:37 -0500 Subject: Envy and Greed In-Reply-To: <200401290619.i0T6JZM8003240@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.1.20040129102327.00adb6e0@10.0.0.8> I wrote earlier: "As a general statement, the Europeans tend to take a >more socialized view that somehow gathering great wealth is bad, and >therefore must have been done illegally or at least immorally, and that >great wealth must be redistributed. Americans admire the Bill Gates..." Jonathan Gray wrote: Heehee - you've obviously never met half my computer geek friends. ^__^ No, but most Americans are not computer geeks! (Thank Heavens!) I will still maintain, with more difficulty in these politicized days, that Scrooge is more of an American character than a European: Don Rosa's recent story here about his Italian grandfather is an interesting example of how someone born in Europe is transformed into an American by the dominant culture of success here. (I see this atmosphere diminishing more and more as the politics of envy and greed divide us more and more, but that is a different story.) From madsj at raptus.dk Thu Jan 29 18:25:32 2004 From: madsj at raptus.dk (Mads Jensen) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 18:25:32 +0100 Subject: DCML Digest, Vol 11, Issue 38 In-Reply-To: <200401290620.i0T6JZMA003240@numerus.ling.uu.se> References: <200401290620.i0T6JZMA003240@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <4019420C.3070007@raptus.dk> Hi > [cut] would you be willing to experiment and see which kind > of coloring readers like better? :-) It might be borring for some, but I'd definetely prefer *uncolored* comics, but I know this a long shot, as lots prefer the colored versions! Actually, comics look better uncolored, as the details can be hidden easily during a coloring job! The "Kentucky Alumni" this Fall showed Rosa sitting with some of his art, and I really wish they wouldn't color the comics, then! Best wishes, Mads From xephyr at cwnet.com Thu Jan 29 19:18:07 2004 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 10:18:07 -0800 Subject: Vacation Van Honk Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040129/9510944a/attachment.pl From xephyr at cwnet.com Thu Jan 29 19:42:35 2004 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 10:42:35 -0800 Subject: Whitewater & Fethry Duck Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040129/2b6cf4ad/attachment.pl From jongraywb at hotmail.com Thu Jan 29 21:34:48 2004 From: jongraywb at hotmail.com (Jonathan H. Gray) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:34:48 -0600 Subject: The Riverside Rovers/Gilbert Goof Message-ID: >That was what I meant by my previous impression that Gilbert seemed >out-of-place until I read this >story. I was elated by Gilbert's make-over. He retains his "high I.Q." >but seems to fit in with >Morty & Ferdie and the other kids somuch better. Halas really did >Gilbert's character a BIG favor. Amen to that. Gilbert always felt like one of the most obnoxiously useless characters ever. Just there for the "lets give all the characters nephews" syndrome that plagued most characters back then =\ I think this is the first time when I can honestly and truly say that I LIKE him and how he was used. And that alone is a pretty big feat. His ego is toned down, he doesnt look like he walked out of the chess cllub in a 1930's teen movie, and he's written so that he's....likeable. >However, the one thing about his new "look" is that he now looks more like >Goofy's son, Max. >There's less to distinguish between Max & Gilbert visually now... Well - yes and no IMO. Gilbert looks EXACTLY like Goofy in the face, but it seems more care was put into Max's design (Goof Troop/Goofy Movie) what with his wilder hair and his nose/snout not being the same shape. I guess the Goofy teeth though are distinguishing no matter who the family member ;) but, since Max is really part of a >seperate universe, it is fine with me. Too bad really. It would be interesting to see how the comics Goofy would work with his son, though then there would really be no need for Gilbert. But, apples and oranges I suppose. :) >But, now, with Gilbert acting more like a "real" kid, and >Newton, likewise, expanding on his own persona as a Junior Woodchuck in >modern Italian stories, >their stereotypes have diminished and their personalities have grown. Stuff like this really pleases me. Its good to know that efforts are being made to make the Mouse universe a bit more fun and less cookie cutter in relation to the Duck Universe. With this, and the return of Mouseton (HAPPY DAY ^__^) these are all definately steps in the right direction. Question about the Riverside Rovers story - Have we ever seen Morty And Ferdie's mother/ Mickey's sister in the comics before and if so what is her name? It was nice to see that as we hardly ever get any insight on the Mouse family. Plus she has a very nice design :) Jonathan H. Gray New Artist Of The "Sonic The Hedgehog" Comic! Sonic #134, #138 CNW & Time Trouble: My Daily Comic Strips - http://diversions.toonzone.net/chipandwalter The CKC Message Board - http://diversions.toonzone.net/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi Dub's Daily Journal - http://www.deadjournal.com/users/wb/ The Knothole Village Forum - http://pub228.ezboard.com/fsonichqcommunityfrm8 _________________________________________________________________ Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN. http://wine.msn.com/ From jongraywb at hotmail.com Thu Jan 29 21:49:04 2004 From: jongraywb at hotmail.com (Jonathan H. Gray) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:49:04 -0600 Subject: Vacation Van Honk Message-ID: >Rich, > >To the best of my memory Vacation Van Honk is in "Sir Gyro Do Gearloose" >(his automatic dressing machine is on the fritz near the beginning of the >episode) and "Magica's Shadow War" (Magica's shadow tries to steal his >wallet). What's the story behind this most minor of characters? Ws he >ever >intended to have a bigger role in the series? > I was always under the impression that he was just a rather loosely designed "Gus Goose" cameo and nothing more. Kinda like an easter egg so to speak. Of course thats just me blowing out smoke on a guess ^^; Jonathan H. Gray _________________________________________________________________ Find high-speed ‘net deals — comparison-shop your local providers here. https://broadband.msn.com From jongraywb at hotmail.com Thu Jan 29 22:00:05 2004 From: jongraywb at hotmail.com (Jonathan H. Gray) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:00:05 -0600 Subject: Thoughts on Daisy Message-ID: >From: Danehog at aol.com >To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se >Subject: Thoughts on Daisy >Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 22:45:31 EST > Off topic - but are you the same Dane from the Sonic PZ Mailing List? If so - hello! If not please igmore my idiocy... ^_^;; >Daisy is characterless. She exists for her stereotype. She has no real, >identified personality. But despite all of this, don't we NEED her? What >would >Disney (the comics and otherwise) be without her? Although she exists for >the sole >purpose of being Donald's girl friend, we NEED someone to exist for that >reason. "Flat" characters should be a part of any "universe," whether it's >in a >cartoon or TV show or novel - even "flat" characters who appear regularly. I suppose you have a point. I guess I just dislike flat characters who are there just to take up space kinda. I mean - she's supposed to be Donalds girlfriend, but with how she's written (or rather not written) it makes it very hard to care about her at all and as a result whenever she appears in the story its kind of like an "oh lord, what now" kinda reaction. XD But you are right - Daisy is, as of right now - nothing more than a plot device in a big poofy bow tie. >Daisy shouldn't be criticized as a character, since, in a way, she ISN'T >one. >She's a plot device. All good literature needs its character-disguised plot >devices. True - but at what point does the plot device overstay its welcome? Or rather at what point does the plot device grow up? Couldnt she still be a plot device and have SOME character development? I cant remember much but William Van Horn doesnt write her as naggy as is usually is seen, does he? Usually his Daisy is still a plot device, but a little bit sweeter when she wants to be. Though I havent exactly been in the loop for a while now so I could be off. One story I'd love to see is one where the roles are reversed and Donald finally goes off on Daisy - possibly dumping HER. I dont think that type of story has ever been done to a deeper extent since Donald is usually at the butt end of Daisy's barbs. It would be interesting in a character development see to see how Daisy would react to Donald finally putting his foot down on her high maintenence and selfishness so to speak. Give us a chance to get in Daisy's head on the relationship. Plus it might be a chance to give some insight on WHY Donald likes Daisy so much and WHY theyve been together for so long. I dont think those questions have really ever been fleshed out properly in American Disney stories. It'd be nice to see. Just a thought though. Jonathan H. Gray _________________________________________________________________ There are now three new levels of MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! Learn more. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1 From Anthvvuono at aol.com Thu Jan 29 22:26:06 2004 From: Anthvvuono at aol.com (Anthvvuono@aol.com) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:26:06 EST Subject: Gemstone's Coloring Message-ID: <98.2381612.2d4ad46e@aol.com> To all: So far, I think Gemstone has done a marvelous job on coloring the comics artwork and covers. Particularly, the shades and layers of colors in the new Don Rosa tales just bring his very detailed drawings to life. While it would be interesting to see them in their original ink versions, I highly prefer Rosa's art in color form due to Gemstone's excellence in presentation thus far in my opinion. Now, the Barks stories are getting better in terms of coloring. I really enjoyed seeing "Back to the Klondike" again in "Uncle Scrooge" 325. However, the story in this reprinting seemed more fresh and real due to modern technological advances that Gemstone is obviously utilizing well. Likewise, the William VanHorn pieces have never been better. Now, could things improve? Yes, production values can always go up (or down) since no art is ever totally flawless. Nevertheless, I believe Gemstone has reached the pinnacle of achievement. Certainly, the company is producing the best Duck comics ever in America in terms of quality and color. Feel free to agree or disagree. Sincerely, Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Url: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040129/56cb87ae/attachment.pl From Danehog at aol.com Fri Jan 30 00:46:48 2004 From: Danehog at aol.com (Danehog@aol.com) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 18:46:48 EST Subject: Comic Book Coloring Message-ID: <1de.17d11727.2d4af568@aol.com> Mads wrote: >It might be borring for some, but I'd definetely prefer *uncolored* >comics, but I know this a long shot, as lots prefer the colored >versions! Actually, comics look better uncolored, as the details can be >hidden easily during a coloring job! I think it depends on the art. I think Don Rosa's stories would be best left uncolored because of the insane details that can be lost on a coloring job in general - no matter the quality. But sometimes, the coloring really adds to the artwork. The simple yet effective colors in the mid-to-late "Krazy Kat" strips come to mind, complete with scratchy, balanced coloring that truly fit Herriman's style. Anything colored by Robert Crumb just doesn't work. Bill Watterson's work looks excellent colored. It's just a matter of style. Dane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040130/a72a6aa6/attachment.html From xephyr at cwnet.com Fri Jan 30 00:43:48 2004 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:43:48 -0800 Subject: A house is not a home, unless it's a houseboat.... Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040130/a368d045/attachment.pl From Danehog at aol.com Fri Jan 30 01:02:28 2004 From: Danehog at aol.com (Danehog@aol.com) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 19:02:28 EST Subject: Further Daisy Analysis Message-ID: <10d.2f462e9a.2d4af914@aol.com> >I suppose you have a point. I guess I just dislike flat characters who are >there just to take up space kinda. I don't know if she exists to take up space more than she does to move the plot along. I think some writers even try to get rid of her for most of the story, in exchange for an easy-to-write setup and/or ending. But what do I know? I once bought an "Archie" digest. >I mean - she's supposed to be Donalds >girlfriend, but with how she's written (or rather not written) it makes it >very hard to care about her at all and as a result whenever she appears in >the story its kind of like an "oh lord, what now" kinda reaction. XD Hey - there was a reason Barks used her sparingly. What I always found amusing about Daisy was that she was constantly trying to "do good" in the community, whether it was for fund-raising or any other random do-gooding plot device. And yet, she has no morals whatsoever. That says more about humanity than any large, thick books with carpeted spines. >But you are right - Daisy is, as of right now - nothing more than a plot >device in a big poofy bow tie. Yeah, as of now. But would you really want her to exist in her own spinoff comic book, DAISY DUCK'S MAGICAL LAND OF CHARACTER INEXCLUSION & NO FRIENDS #1? I don't think there's any hope in saving the character, since, really, the damage has been done. If you remove Daisy's clothes, her character design is essentially Donald, which reminds me of a vintage "Golden Book" in which Donald cross-dressed as Daisy (and looked exactly like her, of course, thanks to the lazy underpaid illustrator). All I remember is that he was at a party and everyone laughed. Guffawed, maybe. I don't know. It was a long time ago. Dane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040130/363d9090/attachment.html From lis- at wp.pl Fri Jan 30 01:05:10 2004 From: lis- at wp.pl (mateusz lis) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 01:05:10 +0100 Subject: Vacation Van Honk In-Reply-To: <000301c3e608$e5a9e770$c824d044@youroxg2elbf6o> Message-ID: Matthew Williams wrote: > To the best of my memory Vacation Van Honk is in "Sir Gyro Do Gearloose" > (his automatic dressing machine is on the fritz near the beginning of the > episode) and "Magica's Shadow War" (Magica's shadow tries to steal his > wallet). What's the story behind this most minor of characters? > Ws he ever > intended to have a bigger role in the series? As far as I remember he played a cameo role in episode "Sweet Duck of Youth". He was one of the guests on $croogie's birthday party, so I suppose he can be a close friend or someone from a family. Maybe from the Gus' line? Best wishes, Mateusz Lis From Danehog at aol.com Fri Jan 30 01:06:15 2004 From: Danehog at aol.com (Danehog@aol.com) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 19:06:15 EST Subject: Gemstone's Coloring Message-ID: <18b.24edaf62.2d4af9f7@aol.com> Anthony wrote: >Certainly, the company is producing the best Duck comics ever in America in >terms of quality and color. Feel free to agree or disagree. I agree, but I think some of the coloring is still a bit too dark for Disney stories. Color choice aside, the coloring really is done well, especially in William Van Horn's stories. Color really adds a lot to his work because of his uncluttered (to say the least) line, and Gemstone really plays on that. At any rate, it's amazing to see how far comics have come since Gladstone's dot-infested days of yore. Dane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There will always be room for improvement, no question, but we feel we're not doing a half-bad job as it is. We hope most readers feel the same. Gary From bangfish at comcast.net Fri Jan 30 03:38:59 2004 From: bangfish at comcast.net (Gary Leach) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 21:38:59 -0500 Subject: Mouston In-Reply-To: <200401300058.i0U0w8M8026593@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <75293AD9-52CD-11D8-9FD9-000393C28E48@comcast.net> Rich: >> and the return of Mouseton (HAPPY DAY ^__^) these are all definately >> steps >> in the right direction. > > That pleased me as well, though I wonder, if, as Lars asserts, since > the > RIVERSIDE ROVERS tales were originally written as taking place in > "Duckburg" > but the MM&F's editorial asserts that they disapprove using MOUSETON, > why > they made a concious effort to make all those "Mouseton" references > through- > out the story ("JC Mouseton Juniors", "Mouseton Argus", "Mouseton Car > Care", > etc.) It seemed as if they had indeed decided to call Mickey's > hometown > "Mouseton" despite the text on the Letters page in the back. Hmmmmm. Gemstone Name-of-City "rules" ? 1) The Ducks live in Duckburg. 2) Mickey and his bunch live in a town that doesn't usually have a name to speak of. We feel - and Disney pretty much concurs, at least on this side of the Atlantic - that no one has come up with an entirely satisfactory name for Mickey's town to date. If one is required, however, we use Mouseton. "Riverside Rovers" was one story where Mickey's town needed a name, so Mouseton got its day in the sun there. (I do most of the vetting on this sort of thing, so if you see Mouseton in a Gemstone comic, it's likely my doing.) Gary From YMH at aol.com Fri Jan 30 05:48:19 2004 From: YMH at aol.com (YMH@aol.com) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 23:48:19 EST Subject: Gemstone's Coloring Message-ID: <17.41dc8c73.2d4b3c13@aol.com> > Certainly, the company is producing the best Duck comics ever in America in > terms of quality and color. Feel free to agree or disagree. Wow, I'm kinda surprised that no one agrees with me on this matter. Sure, Gemstone's comics probably do have better coloring than any previous American Duck comics, but they really could be so much more! > I think Don Rosa's stories would be best left > uncolored because of the insane details that can be lost on a coloring job in > general - no matter the quality. I dunno... I think that no matter how detailed the line art is, a really good coloring job will be *adding* detail, not taking it away. But most of the Gemstone coloring has been flat expanses of color, like something out of '60 television animation. Not a bad thing, necessarily, if that's what you're going for, but, well... For a really bad example, look at the first page of "World Wide Witch," in Uncle Scrooge 320. All those books and shelves, a uniform shade of blue. For an example of the kind of coloring of black and white line art that I'm talking about, look here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0963660942/ref=sib_rdr_fc/104-3578324-7328738? %5Fencoding=UTF8&p=S001#reader-link That was once a simple black-and-while ink line drawing. Look at all of the richness that the coloring job added to the image... It's that kind of depth and shadowing, that almost three-dimensional quality that I would like to see from Gemstone's Disney comics. What do the rest of you think? -Yossi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040130/bd91d2d6/attachment.html From ZeldasTriforce at aol.com Fri Jan 30 06:19:15 2004 From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com (ZeldasTriforce@aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 00:19:15 EST Subject: Previews of April 2004 Gemstone Comics Message-ID: <155.2c51daff.2d4b4353@aol.com> Dane wrote: What I always found amusing about Daisy was that she was constantly trying to "do good" in the community, whether it was for fund-raising or any other random do-gooding plot device. And yet, she has no morals whatsoever. That says more about humanity than any large, thick books with carpeted spines. -------------------- I agree wholeheartedly with that statement. I read Previews vol. XIV #2 today and here are the previews for Gemstone comics in April 2004: Donald Duck and Friends #315--- In "Snooper By The Book" Donald mystifies the nephews when he sets up a private detective practice, and succeeds! Mickey must match wits with "Bagarthach the Arch-Fiend" after he unwittingly releases an ancient demon from its bottle prison. And Grandma and Gus wrap up in "Grandma goes to Town." FC, 32 pages, $2.95. Mickey Mouse and Friends #264--- Join Mickey and his compatriots as they try to defend their homes against "The Dictator From The Future." Then enjoy some lighter fare as Donald and Gladstone square off for Daisy's affections (once again) in "That Carnival Atmosphere." And wind down with Goofy and Li'l Bad Wolf stories. FC, 32 pages, $2.95. Uncle Scrooge #329--- Don Rosa's epic "Dream of a Lifetime" (lettered by Todd Klein) tales Scrooge on a whirlwind tour of his life via his dreams -- with the Beagle Boys hot on his heels! Can Donald get into Scrooge's dream, get the Beagles out, and awaken the old duck before disaster strikes? Prestige Format. SC, 7x10, 64 pages, FC, $6.95. Walt Disney's Comics and Stories #644--- William Van Horn leads the book with "What A Drag," another of the Donald ten-pagers he's famous for. Mickey, Big Bad Wolf, Daisy, and the Nephews make appearances in their own features, and two vintage stories are reprinted: "Bootle Beetle," from WDC&S #82, and Carl Barks' "The Firebug" (From Dell Four Color #108). Prestige Format. SC, 7x10, 64 pages, FC, $6.95. A few reprints, but a pretty good lineup(though nothing is said about US 329 besides the Rosa story). Derek Smith -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040130/5510c1d8/attachment.html From donrosa at iglou.com Fri Jan 30 06:42:02 2004 From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 00:42:02 -0500 Subject: DCML Digest In-Reply-To: <200401292129.i0TLSvM9016407@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: > From: "Mickey" > Subject: Re: Questions about Lo$ > Great! If you had wanted, you would have already given more details in the > answer... wouldn't you? T_T I'm not playing coy -- I really never know exactly what I will pick as a setting for a "Lo$" chapter until it's time to do it. > From: Anthvvuono at aol.com > Subject: "Letter from Home" cover > Did you do a "Letter from Home" cover? I have a standing-order to always do covers for my stories. Texts, also. They are always available to any Egmont publisher who wants to use them. The covers are available to non Egmont publishers. > If so, will we see that in > print in the Scandanavian countries within the next month? I never know who will use my covers until I see it myself. But it seems to always be a safe bet that AKU ANKKA will use the a Rosa cover. > Also, > does that story > have one official title as of yet or use these two: "Letter from > Home" and "The > Old Castle's Other Secret?" The story has only one title, "Letter from Home", in the official Egmont script as typed up in Copenhagen. I pass that along the double title to each (interested) translator personally. For one thing, if a country has never used a literal translation for Barks' "The Old Castle's Secret", my homage in-joke title, as obscure as it surely is in the first place, would be totally meaningless to even the biggest fans. From shadz at email.com Fri Jan 30 06:38:03 2004 From: shadz at email.com (Shad Z.) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 22:38:03 -0700 Subject: A house is not a home, unless it's a houseboat.... Message-ID: <20040130053803.9734.qmail@email.com> From: Rich Bellacera > > Cartoons vs. Comics... > > In more recent years, at least in contemporary cartoons, Mickey and the Gang have > pretty much all been given very distinctive residences. > > This has been reflected primarily in the MouseWorks & House of Mouse cartoons. > > Mickey & Minnie both have their own cartoony homes, Minnie's being a little more > on the feminine side, showing heart-shaped archways, etc. > > Pluto, of course, has his doghouse. > > Donald has his houseboat, the "Miss Daisy." > > Daisy has her beachhouse. > > Goofy has his Trailer home. > > In comics, primarily everyone lives in a regular "house" house. Some better than > others, such as Goofy's being somewhat dilapidated. Then there's Grandma's farm > and Scrooge's Moneybin (or Mansion, depending on your opinion). > > In your opinion, do you think these distinctive dwellings portrayed in cartoons > would be well-suited to comics as also? Do you prefer the cartoon homes each > character has over their basic "house" house depicted in comics? > > I like the cartoon dwellings and the distinction they give each character and > would love to see comics emulate them, too. > > How about you? I'd be fine with the cartoon dwellings showing up in the comics, except maybe Donald's houseboat. I think the "regular" house serves Donald's role as a someone struggling hard to be a parent to the nephews. Plus, it can lead to Neighbor Jones stories. If you are doing a story where the nephews are obviously not around (set before they come to live with Donald?), the houseboat would work fine... -- Shad Z. ^Q^ http://shadz.homestead.com/files/ HONK TO SEE PUPPIES Sign along US 287, Loveland CO -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From shadz at email.com Fri Jan 30 09:09:43 2004 From: shadz at email.com (Shad Z.) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 01:09:43 -0700 Subject: Disney Adventures Volume 13, number 7 (September 2003) Message-ID: <20040130080943.1206.qmail@email.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: shadz at email.com > > 3) Kim Possible: "Saving Saturay!", JZ763, 2 pages. > Story by John Green. Art by Disney TV Animation. > Characters include Kim Possible, Jim Possible, Tim Possible, Dr. Possible (Kim's mom), Dr. Possible (Kim's dad) and Wade. > NOTE: The art for this story is pre-existing Kim Possible promotional art, formatted to make a new comic story. There's a typo there. The actual title is "Saving Saturday!" -- Shad Z. ^Q^ http://shadz.homestead.com/files/ HONK TO SEE PUPPIES Sign along US 287, Loveland CO -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From shadz at email.com Fri Jan 30 09:17:48 2004 From: shadz at email.com (Shad Z.) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 01:17:48 -0700 Subject: Disney Adventures Volume 13, number 9 (November 2003) Message-ID: <20040130081748.5844.qmail@email.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shad Z." > > 8) JZ771, 1 page, The Last Laugh: "Meet the Scariest Fruits and Vegetables!" > Written by John Green. Art by Charly La Greca and Sam Hill. Oops! That the wrong story code! The real code is JZ780 -- Shad Z. ^Q^ http://shadz.homestead.com/files/ HONK TO SEE PUPPIES Sign along US 287, Loveland CO -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From shadz at email.com Fri Jan 30 09:25:11 2004 From: shadz at email.com (Shad Z.) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 01:25:11 -0700 Subject: Disney Adventures Volume 13, number 10 (December/January 2003/2004) Message-ID: <20040130082511.10375.qmail@email.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shad Z." > > Disney Adventures Volume 13, number 10 (December/January 2003/2004) > > Matt Feazell's contents page doodlings ("Dizzy Adventures") are given story code JZ785 > > 2) JZ785, 1 page, The Hair Pair: no title > Story by Charly La Greca. Art by Charly La Greca. > "The Hair Pair" is not a Disney property; it is copyright Charly La Greca. This is not an error on my part. The story code JZ785 was used twice. > 4) JZ778, 4 pages, Kid Gravity: "2-D or Not 2-D!" > Story by Landry Quinn Walker. Art by Eric Jones. > Characters include Kid Gravity, Penny Galactica, Kid Apocalypse and the robot teacher. This also is not my error. JZ778 was used here, even though it was already used last issue. -- Shad Z. ^Q^ http://shadz.homestead.com/files/ HONK TO SEE PUPPIES Sign along US 287, Loveland CO -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From shadz at email.com Fri Jan 30 09:37:28 2004 From: shadz at email.com (Shad Z.) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 01:37:28 -0700 Subject: Disney Adventures Comic Zone (Winter 2004) Message-ID: <20040130083728.17533.qmail@email.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shad Z." > > 14) a reprint of JZ616 It has been brought to my attention that there were two stories with the code JZ616. This is the one titled "Experiment 626!", whic was re-coded KJZ 616a in INDUCKS. Also, for this reprinting, the story was retitled "The Origin of Stitch!" -- Shad Z. ^Q^ http://shadz.homestead.com/files/ HONK TO SEE PUPPIES Sign along US 287, Loveland CO -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From lpj at forfatter.dk Fri Jan 30 12:17:39 2004 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:17:39 +0100 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 36 Message-ID: <024c01c3e724$08253180$88779dd9@idb3156> Don Rosa wrote: >> Did you come up with an idea for a new story as of yet? > > I think it will be another "Three Caballeros" story Best comics-related news I've heard for a long long time. We need more José and Panchito in the Danish weekly. Lars From lpj at forfatter.dk Fri Jan 30 12:17:24 2004 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:17:24 +0100 Subject: Riverside Rover #12? Message-ID: <024b01c3e724$07868080$88779dd9@idb3156> Rich Bellacera wrote: >> Their names are Morty and Ferdie. (Note the spelling.) > > Yes, this is true. My use of a "Y" was a typo. However, I have > recently acquired many British comics where it is definitely spelled > with a "Y." Don't trust British Disney comics for the canonicity of (almost) anything. That's why Egmont calls Miss Quackfaster "Miss Typefast". (Although, to be honest, I prefer the "Typefast" name.) >> Mitch is a bull. > > [Lenghty explanation snipped...] So "cow" is technically accurate. True. Paul Halas refers to the character as a bull, though. > BTW, are you still seeking an image of Vacation van Honk? I've been > re-watching some of my old DUCKTALES videos copied off the TV and > have been keeping an eye out for him, planning to take a snapshot when > I encountered him if you still need it. Thanks, Rich, but David Gerstein found a drawing of him somewhere. Vacation Van Honk is having his triumphant return drawn even as we speak. The world will never be the same after this comes out. (OK, I may be exaggerating slightly...) Lars From lpj at forfatter.dk Fri Jan 30 12:16:57 2004 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:16:57 +0100 Subject: Vacation Van Honk Message-ID: <024a01c3e724$07096140$88779dd9@idb3156> Matthew Williams wrote: > What's the story behind this most minor of characters? Ws he ever > intended to have a bigger role in the series? As far as I know, Vacation was supposed to be part of the supporting cast, along with Fuller Brushbill and Quacky McFowl (or whatever their names were). Very quickly, however, the Duck Tales creators found these characters weren't really needed -- and pushed them to one side. You can still find appearances from Vacation and co. here and there in the episodes, though. Lars From lpj at forfatter.dk Fri Jan 30 12:16:40 2004 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:16:40 +0100 Subject: Donald and the girls Message-ID: <024901c3e724$0679f280$88779dd9@idb3156> Frank Bubacz wrote: > Donald had an exciting romantic adventure with Miss > Swansdown-Swoonsudden in "Jet Rescue" (WDC 67). Yeah. She has a terrible name, though... Hmm... > He's also quite partial to other girls in Italian Disney comics, I > believe, most of all to Reginella I know pretty much nothing about Reginella. She's a queen, right? Everyone, if you have more suggestions, please let me know... Lars From lpj at forfatter.dk Fri Jan 30 12:24:02 2004 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:24:02 +0100 Subject: Whitewater and Fethry Message-ID: <024d01c3e724$08a3d760$88779dd9@idb3156> Don Rosa wrote: >> 1) Where does "Abner" comes from about Whitewater Duck? > > I had to choose a name for "Whitewater" Duck since that's obviously a > nickname. Just out of curiosity: Why is that obvious? Characters with names such as "Magica" and "Flintheart" have been seen in a number of stories. Or are those nicknames, too? > As for Whitewater's brother Fethry, another thread is saying that he > can't be acceptable as Whitewater's brother (I don't think somebody > has met very many brothers) The thread you're talking about has had two posters: Rich Bellacera and me. I wrote: > To be honest, I don't really see [Whitewater] working as Fethry's > brother -- they're too different, in my opinion. Rich agreed, although he thought there might be merit to this relationship: > I'm inclined to agree that Whitewater's temperment really seemed so > diverse from that of Fethry's, while Biquinho/Dugan Duck seems to > be much closer to Fethry, at least in appearance. > > [...] Still, Whitewater does have black string-like hair, though > trimmed much closer than Fethry and Dugan's long wild mops. As a > mountain man, maybe Whitewater is a widower and not inclined to raise > a child on his own? Where does either one of us make the (strange) statement that having Fethry and Whitewater as brothers is not "acceptable"? You make us sound like über-fanboys. Please don't put words in other posters' mouths. As for the "I don't think somebody has met very many brothers" line... The "somebody" (a.k.a. Lars Jensen) has indeed met a few brothers over the years, even some twins. Some of them looked alike, others didn't. That's hardly relevant, though: In this particular case, we're talking about fiction. And in fiction with a visual component (comics, movies, TV), casting is usually made with an eye on physical similarities. In most cases, when a pair of siblings are cast for a movie, the casting agent will look for actors that can pull off a convincing sibling act. Unless we're talking about a movie such as "Twins", Arnold Schwarzenegger and Danny De Vito won't be cast as brothers. Not because the casting agent hasn't seen a lot of real-life brothers, but because we're talking about fiction. In an already-out-there setting, where it's difficult enough making the audience believe that guy up on the screen is *not*, say, Sylvester Stallone and is *actually* a cop from a parallel universe ruled by evil reptiles, why stretch people's suspension of disbelief by having his brother played by Woody Allen? If we take a look at your own creation, Scrooge's sister Matilda McDuck, it looks to me like you have taken the "Donald/Scrooge design" (except for the eyes) and based the look of Matilda on this. Why did you do this, rather than have her be a "dogface" or a humanized pig? I'm guessing it's because you (consciously or subconsciously) wanted Matilda to look like she could be Scrooge's sister. In the case of Fethry and Whitewater, the two have different hair, different eyes, different beaks, different bodies, different feet, different speech patterns, different body language and different personalities. In my opinion, there's absolutely no reason why anybody would "cast" these two as brothers, other than the fact they have the same last name. So why stretch people's suspension of disbelief? > If Fethry's last name is Duck and he's Donald's cousin, > there's no place else he could be than the son of a son of Grandma. > And the same goes for Whitewater. Except for your Duck Family Tree, Whitewater has only ever appeared in *one* place: The story "Log Jockey" (WDC 267). Let me quote from the beginning of that tale, where Donald and HDL are entering a forest: > Text: "In a dither of curiosity about his kinfolks, Donald is driving > hither and thither tracing the limbs of the Duck family tree!" > > Donald: "I read in our album that we have a distant cousin named > Whitewater Duck living in this forest!" > > Nephew: "Let him stay distant, Unca Donald! We don't like the idea of > tracking down relatives you've never met!" So Whitewater is not an actual cousin of Donald's -- only a distant relative. Which, of course, means that there's no reason why he would be the brother of Fethry. Other than their common last name, that is. > there was no objection [from Barks] to > the Fethry-Whitewater question (though I suspect that's because he > really didn't remember Whitewater and probably didn't know Fethry) Judging by the fact that Whitewater isn't actually Donald's cousin, I suspect so, too. Lars From thomas at duckburg.dk Fri Jan 30 12:54:51 2004 From: thomas at duckburg.dk (Thomas Pryds Lauritsen) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:54:51 +0100 Subject: Gemstone's Coloring In-Reply-To: <17.41dc8c73.2d4b3c13@aol.com> References: <17.41dc8c73.2d4b3c13@aol.com> Message-ID: <401A460B.9070300@duckburg.dk> YMH at aol.com wrote: > For a really bad example, look at the first page of "World Wide Witch," > in Uncle Scrooge 320. All those books and shelves, a uniform shade of blue. I think that often when whole areas (mostly backgrounds), which might even include the Ducks, are coloured in a uniform shade, it is done in order not to call too much attention to that part of the drawing, probably since something else is happening in that panel that really should be the centre of attention. I don't know if the exact case of "World Wide Witch" can be related to this, though. However, I do notice that when Gemstone does this, the counterpart print in Scandinavia *does* often colour such areas non-uniformly, and most of the times, I must admit that I like the Gemstone colouring better. > For an example of the kind of coloring of black and white line art that > I'm talking about, look here: > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0963660942/ref=sib_rdr_fc/104-3578324-7328738?%5Fencoding=UTF8&p=S001#reader-link > Oh, I agree that the colouring of the Bone covers is marvellous, and I'd very much like to have such colouring applied to Disney covers. But I think it might be too much if whole stories were coloured this way. I'm afraid it might take away the attention from the story, but perhaps this is just because I've always seen Disney comics coloured the "flat" way. From earlier in your mail: > But most of the Gemstone coloring has been flat expanses of color, like > something out of '60 television animation. Not a bad thing, necessarily, > if that's what you're going for, but, well... Actually, what I see is a hydrid of those flat areas and the many shades of the Bone cover. Just take a look at the shading of the sky and other (mainly) backgrounds of the first pages of "Fools of the Trade" (also Uncle Scrooge 320). One might have chosen to use shading a little more than is the case, though -- eg for the characters in focus. Perhaps something like on the cover of US 320. But I see the same thing in Danish issues; shading used primarily for backgrounds and large, otherwise uniformly coloured areas in the stories, and shading used to a higher degree on covers (but not to the extent of the Bone cover example at all). Notice that the Bone comic itself is uncoloured, so I think it's a little hard to say whether the colouring of the cover would really have been too much if applied to the story, too. Are there any comics in the USA (or other countries) with that level of colouring used throughout the stories? What I don't like about US 320 (now, we're at it), although this probably doesn't qualify as colouring, is the image quality of the reprint of The Madball Pitcher. All the edges look woollen and blurry, as if an old print was just scanned in and used in the issue. -- Thomas Pryds Lauritsen From mickey at iol.it Fri Jan 30 14:21:05 2004 From: mickey at iol.it (Mickey) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 14:21:05 +0100 Subject: DD pre-Barks Message-ID: <000501c3e733$f104fc50$b24cb650@uno> I hope you could answer this pair of questions (I'm a living questionnaire!): a) Is it possible that Donald lived in Mouseton (or in the same city of MM, considering the recent thread about this) in the Taliaferro strips, at least before the arrival of HDL? b) Are there other stories, excluded "The Wise Little Hen", set in the Barnyard Village? Thanks! Mickey From sdebeer at talk21.com Fri Jan 30 13:38:51 2004 From: sdebeer at talk21.com (sdebeer@talk21.com) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 13:38:51 GMT+00:00 Subject: Donald's Height Message-ID: <20040130134158.LLEY21146.wmpmta04-app.mail-store.com@wmpmtavirtual> Not sure if this has been discussed before but how tall are Donald & Mickey (& fgor that matter Goofy)? Has the Disney Co. ever indicated their heights? -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From sdebeer at talk21.com Fri Jan 30 13:46:14 2004 From: sdebeer at talk21.com (sdebeer@talk21.com) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 13:46:14 GMT+00:00 Subject: Gemstone Name-of-City "rules" Message-ID: <20040130134923.NASI3036.wmpmta01-app.mail-store.com@wmpmtavirtual> I know this has been discussed ad nuaseum before so I don't want stir a hornet's nest but didn't Gotfredson once indicate that Mickey lived in 'Hometown'? Mouseton is such an obvious fabrication. The old UK Mickey Mouse annuals of the 1960s placed Mickey & the gang in Disneyville. -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From anders_sivebaek at nns.dk Fri Jan 30 14:20:36 2004 From: anders_sivebaek at nns.dk (Anders Christian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Siveb=E6k?=) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 14:20:36 +0100 Subject: Scrooge's past Message-ID: Dear friends When i was younger - about 9 years ago I made my database of my duck-comic books. Whenever I registered a comic where parts of Scrooges life was shown, i would stop and read again. I had always been looking forward to these stories - where we saw Scrooges past in Scotland, klondike, or stories taking him from kid to grown-up. Stories made by people who just took one fact about Scrooge's past and made a story of it. In 1992 when Rosas Life of Scrooge started to come I had already been buying the weekly every week for a couple of years. But during the period when Don's masterpeice was published I got myself a subscription (and it still runs - on the 11th year :-) - I love Don's Life of scrooge chapters, but I do also love others stories with little bits of scrooge's past. Inh the newest weekly SPOILER... Gorm transgaard tells us a story (drawn by Wanda fattino) about Scrooges old friend big Olaf - they met eachother in Alaska (Snagville - what was that in the original I wonder...) and the story tells us about their competion. Actually one of the sled dogs in the story is called Barko - like the one in Barks' story. You can tell that Gorm remembers and respects the tradition. Now for a bit of translation talk. We have big traditions of translating here - the famous Sonja Rindom is the danish answer to the legendary Erika Fuchs (whose dialogue some german donaldists love more than Barks original, if I'm not mistaken). She translated from 1949 (the start) to sometimes in the 80'es and thus also made the translation of Barks?' The Old castles secret" - she gave Scrooges forefathers names in this story. Keep that in mind. In 1991 Don's little masterpiece King Scrooge came out here - Mrs. Rindom had retired at the time, and we had another translator (I don't wiosh to know her name - i don't even know if it's a she) - she did not do her job, as some donaldists would have wanted her to do. So she gave the McDuck forefathers other names... And so what, some would say - they were funny names... Yeah, well. All got better when we got the translator we have now - when he translated the Lo$ he was sure to use the names Rindom had originally given the charecters. So that's settled. Yesterday i felt like reading a few pocket books - this combination of italian and danish stories has always been very popular here. A story coded I 2442-5 is in issue 276 of our pocket. I haven't even read the story yet, because I thought of writing this mail - and I'm sure the story is good as it is, even in danish. But the first point of criticism isn't so big - danish colorists just never could make the McDuck tartan right (only the first time it was seen) since then they've been making it in many other colors... The pocket books has another translator... so suddenly one of the forfathers is named McTightwad - the Whiskervilles are suddenly the McScreaming... Rannoch Morr (was that first used by Barks or Rosa) is suddenly Rappan ('Quacking Duck') Moor. The story looks to be a nice one, but it isn't even consistent in itself (in danish translation) the McScreamings later become the McWhiskers... Well, sour grapes - I guess I should just shut up and be happy? For one thing I'll read the story. Hilsen/Yours Anders Christian Siveb?k Donaldist From thomas at duckburg.dk Fri Jan 30 15:49:36 2004 From: thomas at duckburg.dk (Thomas Pryds Lauritsen) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:49:36 +0100 Subject: Danish translators (was: Re: Scrooge's past) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <401A6F00.1060200@duckburg.dk> Anders Christian Siveb?k wrote: > [Sonja Rindom] translated from 1949 (the start) to > sometimes in the 80'es and thus also made the translation of Barks?' The > Old castles secret" - she gave Scrooges forefathers names in this story. She translated from 1949, the first year of Anders And & Co. in Denmark, yes, but according to herself, she did not translate the first few issues. > In 1991 Don's little masterpiece King Scrooge came out here - Mrs. Rindom > had retired at the time, and we had another translator (I don't wiosh to > know her name - i don't even know if it's a she) - she did not do her job, > as some donaldists would have wanted her to do. In fact, there were two translators between Rindom and the current Niels S?ndergaard. The translators are these: 1949-? - 1949-? Unknown 1949-? - 1981 Sonja Rindom (SRi) (according to SRi, she did *not* translate the first few issues of AA!) 1982 - 1988 J?rgen Sonnergaard (JSo) 1989 - 1992-23 Yanne Reich (YRe) 1992-24 - Niels S?ndergaard (NSo) The exact change-overs are not known, except between YRe and NSo. The years apply for the monthly Anders And Extra, too. > The pocket books has another translator... And she has been on the job for quite a long time. Here are the issue numbers of "Jumbobog": JB 1-20 Unknown JB 20- Birgit Trenckner (BTr) She started in 1975 and has since then translated all pocket products in Denmark. All this info I have from an answer to a mail I once sent to Egmont, but if you are able to add to this, feel free to do so. -- Thomas Pryds Lauritsen From frankbubacz at hotmail.com Fri Jan 30 15:57:23 2004 From: frankbubacz at hotmail.com (Frank Bubacz) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:57:23 +0100 Subject: Donald and the girls Message-ID: >Yeah. She [Miss Swansdown-Swoonsudden] has a terrible name, though... >Hmm... Well, Donald spoilt his chances with her anyway... Curiously, if I can trust my memory, she later reappeared in this story (the flirting journalist in the description): http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/D++4865//_ >I know pretty much nothing about Reginella. She's a queen, right? Yes, a queen from outer space. I only know her debut story, where she lives underwater. According to INDUCKS, she appeared in five proper adventures between 1972 and 1994, all written by Cimino and drawn (bar the last one) by Cavazzano. I'm sure, others know more about her. Oh, wait: http://users.cwnet.com/xephyr/rich/dzone/hoozoo/reginella.html Frank _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - sehen, welche Freunde online sind! http://www.msn.de/messenger Jetzt kostenlos downloaden und mitmachen! From shadz at email.com Fri Jan 30 18:39:04 2004 From: shadz at email.com (Shad Z.) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:39:04 -0700 Subject: Whitewater and Fethry Message-ID: <20040130173904.17285.qmail@email.com> Lars Jensen Wrote: > > Don Rosa wrote: > > > If Fethry's last name is Duck and he's Donald's cousin, > > there's no place else he could be than the son of a son of Grandma. > > And the same goes for Whitewater. > > Except for your Duck Family Tree, Whitewater has only ever appeared in > *one* place: The story "Log Jockey" (WDC 267). Let me quote from the > beginning of that tale, where Donald and HDL are entering a forest: > > > Text: "In a dither of curiosity about his kinfolks, Donald is driving > > hither and thither tracing the limbs of the Duck family tree!" > > > > Donald: "I read in our album that we have a distant cousin named > > Whitewater Duck living in this forest!" > > > > Nephew: "Let him stay distant, Unca Donald! We don't like the idea of > > tracking down relatives you've never met!" > > So Whitewater is not an actual cousin of Donald's -- only a distant > relative. Which, of course, means that there's no reason why he would be > the brother of Fethry. Other than their common last name, that is. Most distant relatives are cousins of some type: third cousins, fifth cousins, tenth cousins once removed. Barks says Whitewater is Donald's cousin, so he must be. Barks doesn't say he is a first cousin, he could be a tenth cousin once removed for all we know. But for the Family Tree, if Whitewater isn't a first cousin, then Rosa has to make up more relatives. If Whitewater is a second cousin, then Rosa has to make up a father, brother and nephew for Humperdink Duck (and wives for all those people too). If Whitewater is even more distant, even more relatives must be invented. So. to keep the tree managable, it's much easier to make Whitewater a first cousin -- Shad Z. ^Q^ http://shadz.homestead.com/files/ HONK TO SEE PUPPIES Sign along US 287, Loveland CO -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From xephyr at cwnet.com Fri Jan 30 18:20:36 2004 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:20:36 -0800 Subject: LARS: Reginella Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040130/6b628170/attachment.pl From olaf at andebyonline.com Fri Jan 30 18:52:07 2004 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:52:07 +0100 Subject: Whitewater and Fethry In-Reply-To: <20040130173904.17285.qmail@email.com> References: <20040130173904.17285.qmail@email.com> Message-ID: P? Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:39:04 -0700, skrev Shad Z. : > But for the Family Tree, if Whitewater isn't a first cousin, then Rosa > has to make up more relatives. If Whitewater is a second cousin, then > Rosa has to make up a father, brother and nephew for Humperdink Duck (and > wives for all those people too). If Whitewater is even more distant, > even more relatives must be invented. > > So. to keep the tree managable, it's much easier to make Whitewater a > first cousin ...or, it would be much easier to just leave him out. :-) From xephyr at cwnet.com Fri Jan 30 18:46:08 2004 From: xephyr at cwnet.com (Rich Bellacera) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:46:08 -0800 Subject: Gemstone Name-of-City "rules" Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040130/485c8d5e/attachment.pl From tbbreijer at hotmail.com Fri Jan 30 19:32:17 2004 From: tbbreijer at hotmail.com (Tristan B Breijer) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 19:32:17 +0100 Subject: Donald's Height References: <20040130134158.LLEY21146.wmpmta04-app.mail-store.com@wmpmtavirtual> Message-ID: Sure, there are many pictures of Donald and Mickey with real people, for example there is a picture of Walt Disney with Mickey and mickey is about half his size about the height of his waist , so I guess donald and other characters (except goofy) would be the same height (1m) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 2:38 PM Subject: Donald's Height > > Not sure if this has been discussed before but how tall are Donald & Mickey (& fgor that matter Goofy)? Has the Disney Co. ever indicated their heights? > > -------------------- > talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com > > _______________________________________________ > http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml > From anders_sivebaek at nns.dk Fri Jan 30 20:50:38 2004 From: anders_sivebaek at nns.dk (Anders Christian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Siveb=E6k?=) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 20:50:38 +0100 Subject: Matilda is not Don's creation In-Reply-To: <200401301418.i0UEI3MA030524@numerus.ling.uu.se> References: <200401301418.i0UEI3MA030524@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: Hi all > Lars to Don > >If we take a look at your own creation, Scrooge's sister Matilda McDuck, >it looks to me like you have taken the "Donald/Scrooge design" (except >for the eyes) and based the look of Matilda on this. Why did you do >this, rather than have her be a "dogface" or a humanized pig? I'm >guessing it's because you (consciously or subconsciously) wanted Matilda >to look like she could be Scrooge's sister. Others will probably point this out, but just for the record, Matilda is not Don's creation. Her looks is, I think, as Barks has never drawn her or used her in a story, but he has used her on the two family treees he made (was that in the 50'es he made those - to keep track of the family-relations?) > It's important for me to let you note this, as it surprised myself in 1994 to read quotations of Barks saying that Donald didn't have no parents (and then in turn that there aren't parental relations in the town?) - that he came out of an egg somebody bought at the grocers. I still wonder why he said this - when I know that he made those two trees... when he actually adviced Don on the making of the tree. It makes me wonder a bit when my mind is on ducks... I know why, though... Hilsen/Yours Anders Christian Siveb?k Donaldist From lpj at forfatter.dk Fri Jan 30 22:14:17 2004 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:14:17 +0100 Subject: The Riverside Rovers/Gilbert Goof Message-ID: <032501c3e777$768bbe20$88779dd9@idb3156> Rich Bellacera wrote: > if, as Lars asserts, since the RIVERSIDE ROVERS tales were originally > written as taking place in "Duckburg" [...] I don't "assert" this, Rich. I've seen it with my own eyes. It's true. Lars From lpj at forfatter.dk Fri Jan 30 22:14:08 2004 From: lpj at forfatter.dk (Lars Jensen) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:14:08 +0100 Subject: Whitewater and Fethry Message-ID: <032401c3e777$75e3e560$88779dd9@idb3156> I hope this doesn't come off as too harsh, but here goes... Shad Z. wrote: > Barks says Whitewater is Donald's cousin, so he must be. Barks > doesn't say he is a first cousin You're right. Instead, Barks says Whitewater is a distant cousin of Donald and the nephews. > to keep the tree managable, it's much easier to make Whitewater a > first cousin Except, of course, that Whitewater is a distant cousin of Donald and the nephews. Ask yourself this: Do you regularly refer to your own first cousin as your and your nephews' "distant cousin"? Lars From olaf at andebyonline.com Sat Jan 31 00:07:46 2004 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 00:07:46 +0100 Subject: Whitewater and Fethry In-Reply-To: <032401c3e777$75e3e560$88779dd9@idb3156> References: <032401c3e777$75e3e560$88779dd9@idb3156> Message-ID: P? Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:14:08 +0100, skrev Lars Jensen : > Ask yourself this: Do you regularly refer to your own first cousin as > your and your nephews' "distant cousin"? Maybe you do if you're a comicbook character, and it's all a pun. He's a cousin living far, far away, so he's a distant cousin. Then again: I haven't read the story. -- Olaf From Anthvvuono at aol.com Sat Jan 31 00:46:23 2004 From: Anthvvuono at aol.com (Anthvvuono@aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:46:23 EST Subject: Gemstone: "Uncle Scrooge" 329 needs a Rosa cover Message-ID: <79.219c3bd6.2d4c46cf@aol.com> To Gemstone: I saw a preview of Uncle Scrooge 329 and noticed that there isn't a Rosa cover despite the fact that a good European one does exist for "Dream of a Lifetime," which is sceduled to appear in that same issue. I think this epic story deserves one of Rosa's great covers. If anyone is wondering what I'm talking about, go to http://westfieldcomics.com/wow/hub.html, look under comics, and select Gemstone to view upcoming Disney stories. I hope Gemstone considers this fan's opinion before the particular title comes out months from now. Sincerely, Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040131/839cd0e2/attachment.html From olaf at andebyonline.com Sat Jan 31 00:53:14 2004 From: olaf at andebyonline.com (Olaf Solstrand) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 00:53:14 +0100 Subject: Gemstone: "Uncle Scrooge" 329 needs a Rosa cover In-Reply-To: <79.219c3bd6.2d4c46cf@aol.com> References: <79.219c3bd6.2d4c46cf@aol.com> Message-ID: P? Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:46:23 EST, skrev : > To Gemstone: > I saw a preview of Uncle Scrooge 329 and noticed that there isn't a Rosa > cover despite the fact that a good European one does exist for "Dream of > a Lifetime," which is sceduled to appear in that same issue. I think this > epic story deserves one of Rosa's great covers. If anyone is wondering > what I'm talking about, go to http://westfieldcomics.com/wow/hub.html, > look under comics, and select Gemstone to view upcoming Disney stories. I > hope Gemstone considers this fan's opinion before the particular title > comes out months from now. Who-a. You mean such a cover really exists? >From what I understood, Don Rosa started his strike before making a cover for that story. At least, when the story was published in Norway, they didn't use a special made cover, but instead they printed part of the splash panel in double size. Why did they do that if a cover existed? -- Olaf Solstrand Telefon: 957 08 325 E-post: olaf at andebyonline.com Heimeside: http://www.andebyonline.com/olaf/ From comicchar_shop at yahoo.com Sat Jan 31 01:03:02 2004 From: comicchar_shop at yahoo.com (dennis books) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:03:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: Height of Mickey,Donald,Goofy Message-ID: <20040131000302.93110.qmail@web12008.mail.yahoo.com> In the Standard Casting Directory ( July 1930 ) for movie stars looking for work, Walt Disney the agent of Mickey Mouse listed Mickeys height as 2 feet three inches with a weight of 13 pounds. According to Don Towsley on 8/4/37 Donald is approximately 85% of Mickey's height and Goofy approximately 170% times that of Mickey. anything for a duck and sometimes a mouse....Dennis --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040131/3b56f6d3/attachment.html From Anthvvuono at aol.com Sat Jan 31 01:11:31 2004 From: Anthvvuono at aol.com (Anthvvuono@aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 19:11:31 EST Subject: Reply: "Dream of a Lifetime" cover does exist Message-ID: <1ee.1852d6a6.2d4c4cb3@aol.com> To all: Please visit the following link directed to one of my favorite Rosa sites to view Don's cover for this story. Here is a link to the image courtesy of the Duck Master website by Kai Saarto. http://www.perunamaa.net/donrosa/images/kansi_unelmoiden.jpg Sincerely, Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040131/c9abf86e/attachment.html From shadz at email.com Sat Jan 31 02:20:28 2004 From: shadz at email.com (Shad Z.) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:20:28 -0700 Subject: Whitewater and Fethry Message-ID: <20040131012028.22142.qmail@email.com> From: Lars Jensen > > I hope this doesn't come off as too harsh, but here goes... > > Shad Z. wrote: > > > Barks says Whitewater is Donald's cousin, so he must be. Barks > > doesn't say he is a first cousin > > You're right. Instead, Barks says Whitewater is a distant cousin of > Donald and the nephews. > > > to keep the tree managable, it's much easier to make Whitewater a > > first cousin > > Except, of course, that Whitewater is a distant cousin of Donald and the > nephews. > > Ask yourself this: Do you regularly refer to your own first cousin as > your and your nephews' "distant cousin"? No, I don't. But if (for some reason) I had never had any contact with my first cousin untill we were both adults, I might use the term "distant cousin" (Distant in emotional connection, not blood). -- Shad Z. ^Q^ http://shadz.homestead.com/files/ HONK TO SEE PUPPIES Sign along US 287, Loveland CO -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From cord at wiljes.de Sat Jan 31 13:54:39 2004 From: cord at wiljes.de (Cord Wiljes) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:54:39 +0100 Subject: Pixar-Disney Partnership to End Message-ID: <0HSC00DI0UJEUT@mail1.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> Pixar Animation Studios will dissolve its lengthy partnership with the Walt Disney Co. after the groundbreaking animators deliver their final film to Disney in 2005, chief executive Steve Jobs said yesterday. More: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61685-2004Jan29.html Cord From donrosa at iglou.com Sat Jan 31 14:40:25 2004 From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 08:40:25 -0500 Subject: DCML Digest Issue 46 In-Reply-To: <200401311101.i0VB1QM9010036@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: > From: Olaf Solstrand > Subject: Re: Gemstone: "Uncle Scrooge" 329 needs a Rosa cover > Who-a. You mean such a cover really exists? For your future reference: For years now, at the central Egmont office's request, I have always turned in a cover (and an accompanying text) with every story I do. It's up to the individual local publisher to decide if they want to use it. I assume that sometimes an editor has his own idea about presentation. After all, the covers and texts are paid for -- any Egmont publisher can use them for free, and any Disney publisher on earth can use the cover for free (though if they use my text, they are stealing). But I also see constant evidence that Egmont has no system for letting their own editors (much less other publishers) know that such covers or texts exist -- I think the editor has to miraculously think to request such items, which is unlikely when they don't know they exist, and it's understandable unlikely for that to happen since special covers and texts have never been done for each story by any other authors. From thomas at duckburg.dk Sat Jan 31 15:45:26 2004 From: thomas at duckburg.dk (Thomas Pryds Lauritsen) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 15:45:26 +0100 Subject: Height of Mickey,Donald,Goofy In-Reply-To: <20040131000302.93110.qmail@web12008.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040131000302.93110.qmail@web12008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <401BBF86.4090208@duckburg.dk> dennis books wrote: > In the Standard Casting Directory ( July 1930 ) for movie stars looking > for work, Walt Disney the agent of Mickey Mouse listed Mickeys height as > 2 feet three inches According to http://www.ibdprince.com/metric.shtml that would be around 68 cm which is actually quite short. If Donald is app. 85% of Mickey's height, he would be only app. 58 cm which is much shorter than Tristan's estimate that Donald's height is around half of that of Walt Disney. I don't know Walt Disney's height, but assuming he is 180 cm, Donald would be app. 90 cm. I wonder if Barks' dog-nose characters are supposed to be the height of humans, but if so, it seems like Barks saw the ducks as being just above half height of humans. -- Thomas Pryds Lauritsen From bangfish at comcast.net Sat Jan 31 15:55:22 2004 From: bangfish at comcast.net (Gary Leach) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 09:55:22 -0500 Subject: Rosa's 329 In-Reply-To: <200401311100.i0VB0aM8010010@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: <7E9A58FA-53FD-11D8-AFE3-000393C28E48@comcast.net> > To Gemstone: > I saw a preview of Uncle Scrooge 329 and noticed that there > isn't a > Rosa cover despite the fact that a good European one does exist for > "Dream of a > Lifetime," which is sceduled to appear in that same issue. I think > this epic > story deserves one of Rosa's great covers. If anyone is wondering what > I'm > talking about, go to http://westfieldcomics.com/wow/hub.html, look > under comics, > and select Gemstone to view upcoming Disney stories. I hope Gemstone > considers > this fan's opinion before the particular title comes out months from > now. > Sincerely, > Anthony We are using that cover. Our front cover logo, however, would intrude far too much into the art - would completely ruin it, to be blunt - so we're putting the art on the back cover. This way it is left uncluttered, and can be presented as large as possible. And no, shrinking or altering our front cover logo is not an option. Gary From revolution at telia.com Sat Jan 31 16:59:59 2004 From: revolution at telia.com (Erik Bergwall) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 16:59:59 +0100 Subject: Height of Mickey,Donald,Goofy References: <20040131000302.93110.qmail@web12008.mail.yahoo.com> <401BBF86.4090208@duckburg.dk> Message-ID: <000701c3e813$4979d650$a3fcd3d9@Musik> > dennis books wrote: > > In the Standard Casting Directory ( July 1930 ) for movie stars looking > > for work, Walt Disney the agent of Mickey Mouse listed Mickeys height as > > 2 feet three inches in Barks "For Old Dime's Sake", I think Magica measured Scrooge and said he was about three feet tall. Is that correct? This is what I always have had as an opinion when it comes to the height of the ducks,... Erik From Anthvvuono at aol.com Sat Jan 31 18:18:43 2004 From: Anthvvuono at aol.com (Anthvvuono@aol.com) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:18:43 EST Subject: Reply: Rosa's 329 Message-ID: <65.21a4e184.2d4d3d73@aol.com> Dear Gary Leach, Thanks for the reply. Although Rosa's picture understandably cant be on the front cover, I'm glad you are still using it in some form. It is a great piece of artwork. Good luck with this issue and others! Sincerely, Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/attachments/20040131/29a37850/attachment.html From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Sat Jan 31 20:43:28 2004 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 20:43:28 +0100 Subject: Donald's Height References: <20040130134158.LLEY21146.wmpmta04-app.mail-store.com@wmpmtavirtual> Message-ID: <007d01c3e832$8047bde0$a821fdc1@computer> Hi everyone! ----- Original Message ----- sdebeer: (What's your name, please? I must have missed it) >>>> Not sure if this has been discussed before but how tall are Donald & Mickey (& fgor that matter Goofy)? Has the >>>>Disney Co. ever indicated their heights? This isn't a very useful reply to your question, but I have a faint recollection of such a discussion about 2-3 years ago-- more like 3. You may be able to find it in the log if the messages were titled explicitly enough. Olivier From mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr Sat Jan 31 20:49:42 2004 From: mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr (Olivier) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 20:49:42 +0100 Subject: Gemstone Name-of-City "rules" References: Message-ID: <008601c3e833$5eabcf40$a821fdc1@computer> Rich >>>> I can't recall where, but I seem to remember the name "Mickeyville" >>>> used somewhere also. That, IMHO, is far more contrived I don't know if that was in an English language story, but "Mickeyville" is the name used in France; and Donald lives in "Donaldville". As you say, it's more contrived, and I have always found it illogical (as far as I can remember) that a town should be named after a character that was born decades or centuries after its foundation (ruling out coincidence). As for Mouseton, I slightly prefer Mousetown for the simple & silly reason I sometimes tend to "read" a "w" in the name. Olivier From anders_sivebaek at nns.dk Sat Jan 31 21:31:50 2004 From: anders_sivebaek at nns.dk (Anders Christian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Siveb=E6k?=) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:31:50 +0100 Subject: Translators and others In-Reply-To: <200401302308.i0UN7PMA022882@numerus.ling.uu.se> References: <200401302308.i0UN7PMA022882@numerus.ling.uu.se> Message-ID: Thomas: > >> [Sonja Rindom] translated from 1949 (the start) to >> sometimes in the 80'es and thus also made the translation of Barks?' The >> Old castles secret" - she gave Scrooges forefathers names in this story. > >She translated from 1949, the first year of Anders And & Co. in Denmark, >yes, but according to herself, she did not translate the first few issues. Okay - I didn't remember that - heard it once though, but guess I forgot. Thanks for the enlightment :-) > >> In 1991 Don's little masterpiece King Scrooge came out here - Mrs. >Rindom >> had retired at the time, and we had another translator (I don't wiosh to >> know her name - i don't even know if it's a she) - she did not do her >job, >> as some donaldists would have wanted her to do. > >In fact, there were two translators between Rindom and the current Niels >S?ndergaard. The translators are these: > >1982 - 1988 J?rgen Sonnergaard (JSo) J?rgen Sonnergaard translated the dansih weekly?? He?'s the famous (in Denmark) translator of Tintin, who went through a trial with the publisher here (Carlsen) and lost - they were reprinting the albums in alrge number swithout giving royalties... He was the one from whom Herg? got the idea to let Haddock swear alphabetically...! > >1989 - 1992-23 Yanne Reich (YRe) That's the name. She's the one who made Scrooge quote danish grundtvig about danish nature while he was on his way throug Alaska with his sled in "Last Sled to Dawson"... :-) > >> The pocket books has another translator... > >And she has been on the job for quite a long time. Here are the issue >numbers of "Jumbobog": > >JB 1-20 Unknown >JB 20- Birgit Trenckner (BTr) She's been doing it for so long? Well, we're dealiong with an experinced lady here then. Sorry that i took herfor unqualified as she made up names for one of my favorite themes - if it has been for another story i wouldn't have noticed that much. BTW it's not only the duck-references about Scotland (they can be hiding quite much) - she's left out. Its also Micke?'s professor friend, the one we call Kosmo Kvantemose she calls him Dr Statik (I take it his name is doctor Static in english?) I'm sorry again - I know there?s many stories who have to be done before certain deadlines - I'm sure one simply can't take the time to look up all the details. This is also the reason why the colorist (from ecn) made the eye of Iku-Turso in the Kalevala story. You who have a scandinavian or german edition can check this. - in the end of the story, something is supposed to be the golden snow of the Sampo - it isn't. (I hope this is corrected in the french, dutch, greek versions - and will be in the american one) >She started in 1975 and has since then translated all pocket products in >Denmark. great work all in all - she thought up Little Gum, Vildmule (Indiana Goff) and many of my other favorites. > Hilsen/Yours Anders Christian Siveb?k Donaldist