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KERSTIN S.DERBAUM vd.pol2 at memo.volvo.se
Sat Sep 23 16:39:45 CEST 1995


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> ALL:

Hiya!
     I'm back, and better than even before! And this time I
brought the answers for all yer (till now) long-unanswered
questions! Yee haw!
                      **************
                      * APPLOADES! *
                      **************

Well, let's go on with the answers I made up (I'm so proud!):

                                .
> HARRY W. FLUKS (Tag en flukt pa den! ;-) ):

   >> Do you think that IF he is the father
   >> of HDL he would be a 'close relative'?
   >
   > How close can one get?

Don't know. My brother? My father? My mother? Let's say that
everybody in the family, and everybody in my parents family are
close relatives to me.

   >I would say MY father is a VERY close relative.

So would *I*, and (I suppose?) everybody else on this list.
Maybe your father is also a close relative to HDL? I suppose
not. I don't remember exactly what I thought of when I wrote
that, so let's say we're equal. :-)

   > And even if I hadn't seen him for ages, I wouldn't welcome
   > him as a distant "uncle Aaldrik".

Well, I would. I haven't even *met* uncle Aaldrik! Hee haw! ;-)
No, to be serious; who *is* "uncle Aaldrik", BTW.? Is Aaldrik
the name of your father, or is it what HDL welcome Ludwig von
Drake as in Dutch, or maybe both?

   > Could you tell us a bit more about that one cartoon in
   > which HDL's father appeared. Wat it stated that he is their
   > father? Did he unmistakenly look like Von Drake? I mean, in
   > that one cartoon where Scrooge is drawn, he looks just like
   > Von Drake, only with different "hair" (feathers?) and hat.
   > (The animators never understood what Scrooge should really
   > look like.)

Alright, I'll try to tell you. The cartoon is called "Donald's
Diary". This is one of those cartoons where the characters play
something that would look like a short-movie. They wair differ-
ent clothes and doesn't look like the Ducks we know. In the
"movie" Donald is to marry a Duck-girl. I'm not quite sure if
the Duckgirl is "played" by Daisy. When Donald arrive at the
girls home he is being introduced to the family. The Duckgirl
says: "Well, meet my mother!" (Or something like that) And the
mother reply "Huh? Whatsa name??!". Donald answers "Donald Duck,
ma'am!". The Duckgirl says "Here's my father!". Ludwig von Drake
look very quick up from bellow a chair. And finally the Duckgirl
says "And here's my brothers, Huey, Dewey and Louie". Donald
says "Hallo!" with a nice voice. That's it.


> WES:

   > Um, I may have opened a can of worms with this little
   > (extremely little) that only Americans might understand.
   > De-flowering is an American colloquialism which I will not
   > explain here, and "love ducklings" is an adaption of another
   > American phrase "love child" which refers to a child born
   > out of wedlock. My Puritan American heritage makes me
   > ashamed for having brought it up.  Apologies.  ;-)

No, I won't forgive you for anything before you explained what
de-flowering means. ;-)  I don't think that anybody would care if
it's an ugly explanation since nobody cares about the hard
language that suddenly came up here. Haven't you noticed those
"hell"'s and "ashole"'s that suddenly have been coming up? I
think it's a shame to write such things at this (before so)
peaceful List!! But if people do this I believe you wouldn't have
much trouble to explain the word "de-flowering". BUT: If you
still haven't been convinced this is the right place to explain
it at, just write to me in private-mail. Peice of cake!


> DAVID:

   >> In the cartoon "Donald's Diary" he is looking up from
   >> below a chair when Donald enters Daisy's (or whoever it is)
   >> house. And he looks just the same as Ludwig von Drake, but
   >> he is introduced as the father of HDL.
   >         Careful! This is one of those weird cartoons with
   > everyone playing roles!  This same cartoon shows HDL as
   > being _DAISY'S BROTHERS_ -- the Drake-like character is
   > Daisy's father!  So I don't think this is canonical.

Yes, I know. But take a look at the Duck-girl. Do you actually
think she looks like Daisy? With long, blonde hair? Maybe this is
a cartoon showing how the youth of Donald Duck was like? Before
HDL came to Donald's house, before Daisy? I think Donald looks
very young in this cartoon. And this might as well be Donald's
first girlfriend? Who's saying Donald haven't had other girl-
friends before Daisy? And who haven't seen Donald flirting with
OTHER girls than Daisy?! I'd say it ain't Daisy at all! It might
as well be the girl Donald met at the beach in Barks "Lifeguard
Daze". Barks made this story before inventing Daisy. And that
girl actually look more like the girl in the cartoon "Donald's
Diary" than Daisy does. And in that comic the Duckgirl invite
Donald to "The Dance" and she'll "save very dance for Donald".
Maybe this is Donald's first date with that girl that turned out
to become a wedding in "Donald's Diary". I think the cartoon
shows Donald after the event in the comic. In that same cartoon
Donald is leaving the poor girl in the end. (Go-go Daisy, here's
yer chance to get Donald?!). I'd say *that's* a good explanation!

   >        This is the first time Von Drake ever appeared
   > anywhere, by the way.  He doesn't actually have a name or
   > any dialogue in the cartoon and didn't reappear until a 1961
   > TV appearance (for which he was slightly cleaned up in
   > appearance and given his classic voice and mannerisms).

This shows that he actually was thought to be the father of HDL
from the beginning! Hee haw! I think we solved the problem now!
Ludwig von Drake *is* the father of HDL! Do you have any
objection to this now? Does *anybody* have an objection to this
now?


> MIKE - THE FINNISH TREKKIE:

   > Hmm... Huey von Drake... I guess I could live with that. In
   > Finland that wouldn't make much different, because Ludwig is
   > stated as a Duck too. But don't HDL call Ludwig "Uncle" in
   > English?

Don't know. But they also call Scrooge "Uncle". And he ain't
*their* uncle for sure! This is all I can say at the moment. But
if Ludwig is stated as a Duck in Finland, this also is an
evidence (I believe) for him being the father of HDL. Wouldn't
it?


> GIANFRANCO:

   > From number 70 there are interesting changes:
   > - all the covers wil be made by Marco Rota;
   > - the Life and Times of US by Dona Rosa will be entirely
   > published;
   > - the stories by Carl Barks which inspired the episodes of
   > Lo$ will be reprinted along with each episode of Lo$;

Does this mean that Marco Rota is going to illustrate each
episode of Lo$? I'd like to know more about those issues. I'm
highly interested in them! Tell us a bit more, please.


> DANNY COENEN:

   > Of course I'd send you the TEMPO magazine with the Rosa
   > onepager if I only knew in which edition it was or will be.
   > But I'll continue looking for it. Whether it has already
   > been published, I'll try to order it by the publisher, but
   > that can take some time.

OK. So How is it going? Have you found it yet? I really *long*
for having it!

   > I think it was you who "invented" the theory of Ludwig van
   > Drake being HDL's father.

That's right. I did that.

   > I can't agree with that, as he is not of the generation
   > Donald is.

There's no need for him being of the same generation as Donald
is, is there? He ain't Donald's *brother* or something, if you
think that!

   > Donald himself calls him "Uncle", and it sounds rather
   > unusual to call the sister's husband like this.

Well, HDL call Scrooge "Uncle", and it's also unusual to call
their grandma's brother that, don't you think?

   > P.S.: In Germany it is a bit unusual that children call
   > foreigners aunt or uncle, but you hear it from time to time
   > by  small children.

Well, in Sweden it works that way that everybody that is more
than 15 years old is called "Uncle" by children. At least where
I live. It's kinda showing respect for the elder people.


> DANIEL VAN EIJMEREN:

   > I received this message from Jakob Soderbaum last tuesday,
   > maybe this is some of your interest. Jakob is taking a
   > little holiday now, I send this without him knowing it.

Thank you for doing this, pal! I appreciate it very much!

   > Now a question myself: Will the new CBL have the same look
   > as the old ones? Will some stories be of better quality?

I wrote a letter to Another Rainbow about this, and I asked the
same questions. I got a reply that confused me. They said that
they really appreciated that I had shown interest in their new
CBLiC-albums! WHAT! I thought. This was *not* what I asked! In
the envelope they had included a list that interested me. It was
a list of those CBL-parts I thought had been published now. But
it wasn't! It was a list of how much the parts costed on the
secondary market! The list named the prices, which parts that
wheren't available anymore, and so on. All on secondary market.
So my opinion to this is that this is the same list that was
published in Westfield Company's catalogue of June. The CBL is
*not* back in print! :-(
                            (What do YOU think about this, Per?)

   > BTW. I thought the CBL was a Limited edition...

It is. But that doesn't make it *not* to be published again
sometime...


> DON:

   > Beginning with WDC&S #601, that title will become a Square-
   > bound super-deluxe thick volume, and costs $5.95. It will
   > feature all the new material and Dell reprints and
   > newspaper reprints -- all the stuff that the "collectors"
   > want, not the kiddies.

That really sounds interesting, I think!   But I'm not sure of
what you mean, do you mean that after issue Nr.600 of WDC&S every
coming issue of WDC&S will be square-bound super-deluxe thick
volumes, and cost $5.95, or do you mean that that particular
issue #601 will be this? That would be great for a collector like
me! Too bad for the kids, though. So what will those grow up with
if not Disney-comics? They're gonna have a boring youth, alright!


> GREG WRIGHT:

   > It also includes a CD containing a fireside chat between
   > Donald and Carl Barks. Has anyone heard of this and can you
   > tell me anything about it. Seems like it would be a must for
   > my collection.

Somebody already told you about the book, now it's time for me to
tell you about the CD. (I own both of them, see.)  The CD consist
of an interview between Carl Barks and Donald Duck (Clarence Nash
and Tony Anselmo). I don't know whether I'm prohibited or not to
give you the *complete* interview here, I think you have to buy
it. But I can give you some of the opening sequence:

CARL: Well, hello. I'm glad you could be here. I'm Carl Barks.

      You know, Donald Duck and I have been friends for a long
      time now. We worked together at Disney studios. And, of
      course, I sent him on quite a few adventures in out comic
      books. So, since Donald is celebrating his sixtieth birth-
      day, I thought we'd surprise him with something special,...
      But, uh, he's not here yet. I left him a message to join
      me by the fire in the living room here... you know, so we
      can all chat.

CARL: Hmm? What's going on here?

DONALD: Come on, let's go!!

DONALD: Don't worry, Carl. Okay boys, ready -aim-

CARL: FIREHOSES?!!! Wait, WAIT, Donald! What are you doing?

DONALD: You said you've got a fire in your living room. I'm
        saving your life! Okay, boys...

And so on. It's really funny! I think everybody should buy this
book "The Life of Donald Duck" and this CD! It's great! It's a
must for *everyone's* collection, and I'm proud owning it! Go buy
it! You have nothing to loose! It's sure worth every cent!


> LUCKY (the Charming guy :-)):

   > I have found a comic book store in Piedmont California that
   > has a great collection of Disney comics. It has every issue
   > of U$. They also have a lot of Disney comic books from Dell.

Sounds interesting! Do you have the adress?


> DANIEL VAN EIJMEREN:

   > But then they also printed that sketch in set X to meet the
   > owners of the first printing.

Set X??! Is this a set that collect every "forgotten" stuff of
the CBL or something? Never heard of it.

   > Of course it would become a big mess here if we began
   > talking about Mary Poppins and that beautiful Disney doll
   > that is for sale lately.

I agree. No Mary Poppins and no... WAITAMINIT! WHAT Disney-doll?
I haven't heard of any Disney-doll! Tell me all about it!!
(So now I've started a big mess. See how simple it was?!)


> PER:

Nice meeting you and Erik at the yearly Ankon! This Ankon was, in
my opinion, one of the best ever! Long live Stefan! Hee haw!

   > I'm interested in getting the four sets [of CBL] I lack.

Well, there's a second-hand comic book store in Goteborg that
sells (I think) fresh editions of CBL. It's called Serieknodden.
Ever heard of it? The owner is a member of NAFS(k) that is called
Bengt Sollenby. He's got (I think) 8 different parts on his
shelves. Unfortunately they cost 1.675 Kr EACH! It's awful, but
if you *really* want those parts, just tell me.


> ALL:

Which countries publish Rosa-covers that Gladstone doesn't
publish? I've seen three of Rosa's covers here in Sweden (but
they where all changed someway), but those had Gladstone already
published. I've also seen a cover on the Norwegian edition of
"From Duckburg to Lillehammer" that WEREN'T published elsewhere,
and now Don says there is going to be published a cover he made
only in Finland! And that has really maked me confused! So I
wonder if there are more covers I haven't seen yet. Is there?
BTW. Do we have any Norwegian guy around here?


> DANIEL VAN EIJMEREN:

   > And I sure like to see those re-inked Junior Woodchucks-
   > scripts, although I wonder if Jippes is going to re-ink them
   > all. Does anyone know more about this?

We good old Swedians do, alright. Stefan Dios (our Duck- and
Mice-magazine translator) wrote about it in NAFS(k)uriren Nr.24.
I've translated that 2 pages below (I do hope I've go permission
to do this, Per?):
                     "UNKNOWN BARKS"
       in Kalle Anka & C:o (the Swedish Duck-magazine)
  koll. 314 Stefan Dios tells about retired woodchucks in
                      Jippes-clothes
"In the autumn of 1966 Barks got contacted by Western Publishing,
who wanted him to write some comics with the Junior Woodchuks for
the new magazine 'Huey, Dewey and Louie Junior Woodchucks'. Barks
totally made 24 stories untill 1973, and the mayor part of the
Junior Woodchuks magazines between No. 6 and No. 25 includes one
or two of those. Barks made up the ideas, wrote the scripts and
made very good and detailed sketches for the way he wanted the
completed comic to look. But inking the comics he didn't want to.
He didn't think his old eyes would make it through that work, and
he gladly gave the other of Western Publishing's cartoonists his
permission to complete the comics. When they got printed in the
Junior Woodchucks magazine they were inked by Kay Wright, a
cartoonist with very few fans, or Tony Strobl, who at least had
*some* fans.
   The conformity with Barks' sketches was most the time fairly
good, but it happened that the publisher made changes in the
story before it went out to the cartoonists. Orthodox Barks-
experts have very often complained about Wright's and Strobl's
dull drawing-styles. They mean that the spontaneous vigour in
Barks' drawings, that you even can notice in his sketches, has
effectivily become flattened-out by those not-as-blessed talents.
   After this nothing happened to Barks' "forgotten" Junior
Woodchucks-stories for years. Only desperate collectors procured
them and then hid them very fast in some closet, because it
should be declared that the quality of those scripts in no way
is the same quality-level as the Barks-stories from his very best
period. The Master was about 70 years old and rather tired of
those beloved Ducks, and it was also meant that those modern
stories was supposed to have at least a bit different profile
than the stories that had been before. Here the Junior Woodchucks
are immensely environment-knowledged youngsters, that often is
in a directly war against, for example; Uncle $crooge. Futhermore
Uncle $crooge now have left his former title as the "hero" and
now is pictured as a regardless villain and a scoundrel, that
will use everything he's capable to do to devastate the nature to
make more money of. But this doesn't make it less easy for
anyone who wish to strain to gather up Barks' undeniable genious
as a storyteller and cartoonist. Other stories of the time by
other cartoonists are most often considerable more stiff and
substanceless. The only "sad" about this is that Barks-lovers who
wanted to read those stories has had to live with Kay Wright's
and Tony Strobl's finished drawings.
   Until now! I'm not able to describe exactly how it all
happened, but what's going on is that the Dutchman Daan Jippes is
re-drawing all of those old stories after Barks' original
sketches. Because of the 'H' (as in Holland) in the story-code I
suppose that it's the Dutch Disney-publisher Oberon that is the
source to the project... Oberon have, as we all know, a solid
reputation as one of the worlds most conscious Disneycomic-
publishers since a long time ago.
   For the crowd Daan Jippes might not be as well-known as Barks
or Rosa, but he is without hesitation one of the greatest
talents that ever drawed Disney-comics. What made he known as a
great cartoonist was a handfull och 10-pagers with Donald which
he made together with Freddy Milton in the 70s, and as a
cartoonist he has got the reputation to be able to imitate every
Disney-style there is. When old Barks-comics by some reason need
to get restaured for some re-printing, it usually is Jippes who
fill-in lines and re-draw. Not even the greatest of experts
notice any difference.
   So now he has studied the original Barks-sketches slavily and
inked those old Junior Woodchucks-stories *exactly* in Barks own
style. He even changed back all the things that Western-
publishing changed in Barks' sketches!
   I really hope this will continue, because this is a very big
happening for all Disney-lovers in Holland, Scandinavia and the
rest of the world."

And I can also tell you, Daniel, that Jippes IS to re-ink every
single one of those Junior Woodchucks-stories! Hip-hip: hooray!

> ALL:

Yesterday the Rosa-story "The Incredible Shrinking Tightwad" was
published in Swedish Kalle Anka & C:o. Personally I think the
title is a real hit, and so is the story. I can hardly wait to
see next week what will happen to $crooge and Donald in the
middle of the Money Bin where noone can resque them! Will HDL
find them, or do they have to do find the atom-sucker ( :-) )
and fix everything up themselves, or what will happen? It's
really exciting, isn't it?

BTW. I just laid my hands on a copy of Walt Disney Giant #1. And
I think you're all wrong about the cover! Even if it might be a
bit late to continue this discussion I want to give you all my
vote. I think the cover is *great*, including the coloring. The
quality of the paper only make this cover look better! I can tell
you this because I have the cover for the original Uncle Walt's
Collectery right here. And this is a glossy cover. It doesn't
look good at all if you compare it with the Walt Disney Giant
issue! The WDG make the cover look cold, as I believe it should
be, while the UWC doesn't look cold at all! It looks sorta WARM
with that bright-blue sky and those light-colored mountains in
the background. I think it looks even better with the dark sky
and everything on the WDG-issue. So I still say that *every*
Rosa-cover is worth framing!
BTW., Don: this Uncle $crooge look almost *exactly* like the one
on yer "Last Sled to Dawson"-cover. Did you use the original
cover, enlarged $crooge and added Glittering Goldie to it, or
something?

Is there *anyone* around here who know anything about those
Walt Disney's Comics in Color-albums with Rosa-covers? They're
mentioned in the Rosa-index, but so far I've never heard anything
else about them. There have never been any chance to subscribe to
the title from Gladstone, not as good as I know. Harry said he
had *seen* two of them about a year ago in a comicbook-store. Is
there anyone who have got those? Is there any chance this kind
person could get them for me too?
---

Jakob "Jack" Soderbaum

                  "-I have only one soda left, senor... but I
                   -think it has been FLAT since the Great War!
                   *Ever since World War TWO?!
                   -CARAMBA! There was ANOTHER one?"



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