DCML Digest, Vol 6, Issue 37 (Ludwig's feather)

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Sat Aug 16 17:52:46 CEST 2003


Ole Nielsen wrote
> A question which I have been unable to find answer to, is the symbolic
> significance of a feather in the rimb of a hat, like Ludwig Von Drake has.
> My searches keep ending up with unspecific references to mid-20th century
> fashion and Native American traditions, suggesting that mr. Von Drake has
> performed some untold heroic deed in his past. Both a general answer to the
> meaning and possibly story references to this characteristic of his are
> welcome.

I suspect that this was a reference to Ludwig's "Germanic" and/or "Austrian" 
heritage.  "Tyrolean" hats have often been depicted in this country as having 
feathers attached to them.

Chris Barat
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>    1. A feather in the hat (Ole R Nielsen)
>    2. These are a few of my favorite things....
>       (Madame Jennifer Inantaz)
>    3. SV: Positive matters (Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr.)
>    4. Re: SV: Positive matters (Olaf Solstrand)
>    5. favourite artists (Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr.)
>    6. SV: As American as apple pie? (Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr.)
>    7. SV: RE: "Life of Pete" again! (Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr.)
>    8. Answer to M.J. Prior (Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr.)
>    9. A constructive mail this time (Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr.)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:32:16 +0200
> From: "Ole R Nielsen" <oleroc at tdcspace.dk>
> Subject: A feather in the hat
> To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
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> A question which I have been unable to find answer to, is the symbolic
> significance of a feather in the rimb of a hat, like Ludwig Von Drake has.
> My searches keep ending up with unspecific references to mid-20th century
> fashion and Native American traditions, suggesting that mr. Von Drake has
> performed some untold heroic deed in his past. Both a general answer to the
> meaning and possibly story references to this characteristic of his are
> welcome.
> 
> -- Ole
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:07:14 -0500
> From: "Madame Jennifer Inantaz" <madame82 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: These are a few of my favorite things....
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 22:01:43 +0200
> From: "Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr." <sigvald at duckburg.dk>
> Subject: SV: Positive matters
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> Kjell Croné <kjell.crone at ifsworld.com>n wrote:
> 
> > - Can you name five favourite artists?
> > Carl Barks, Al Taliaferro, Floyd Gottfredson,
> > Paul Murry, Tony Strobl.
> 
> Not to be unpolite, but why is Don Rosa not in your list?
> 
> Sigvald
> 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 21:49:04 +0200
> From: Olaf Solstrand <olaf at andebyonline.com>
> Subject: Re: SV: Positive matters
> To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se, sigvald at duckburg.dk
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> Quoting "Sigvald Grøsfjeld jr." <sigvald at duckburg.dk>:
> 
> > Kjell Croné <kjell.crone at ifsworld.com>n wrote:
> > 
> > > - Can you name five favourite artists?
> > > Carl Barks, Al Taliaferro, Floyd Gottfredson,
> > > Paul Murry, Tony Strobl.
> > 
> > Not to be unpolite, but why is Don Rosa not in your list?
> > 
> 
> My guess would be "because Don Rosa is not one of Kjell's favourite artists".
> 
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 23:03:06 +0200
> From: "Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr." <sigvald at duckburg.dk>
> Subject: favourite artists
> To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
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> Daniel van Eijmeren <dve at kabelfoon.nl> wrote:
> 
> > Geoffrey Blum, Marco Rota... Who'll be the next
> > in line?
> 
> DCML don't need this kind of debate now, so I'll let it subject rest
> 
> 
> > I didn't write this. What a serious act of
> > disrespect!
> 
> I can see that now. It was copied from you mail though. Sorry for any
> inconvenience as a result of my minor mistake.
> 
> 
> > But... shall we conversate about some
> > *positive* matters, Sigvald?
> 
> Yes, indeed, Daniel!
> 
> In the following I take for granted that you questions are all about
> Disney-comics only.
> 
> > - Can you name five favourite artists?
> OK, let me see:
> - Carl Barks
> - Don Rosa
> - Floyd Gottfredson
> - Paul Murry (even though I know now that he only drew his stories).
> - I really don't have any clear 5th place. Behind the 4 great ones there
> really are many good ones.
> 
> > - What are your favourite stories by these
> > artists?
> Hm, let's see:
> - Barks: "Lost in the Andes"
> - Rosa: "Gyro's First Invention"
> - Gottfredson: "The Monarch of Medioca"
> - Murry: "Return of the Phantom Blot"
> 
> > - Why do you like these stories?
> Because they are advanced and long stories with a great plot. And "Gyro's
> First Invention" is off course special to me because I gave some inspiration
> to it.
> 
> > - What are your favourite scenes?
> Not sure, but Little Helper walking in the badger's hole in "Gyro's First
> Invention" is indeed very special for me for reasons mentioned above.
> 
> > - Which jokes did you like the most?
> Not sure, but both Rosa and Barks have many funny jokes.
> 
> > - What are your favourite characters?
> Uncle $crooge and Donald Duck.
> 
> > - Are there situations in life which remind
> > you of things you've read in comics?
> At least situations in real life do give me associations to Disney Comics,
> like when I eat cabbages as a part of my dinner or prunes as a part of the
> dessert.
> 
> > - What's the first story you ever read?
> Can't remember exactly. But I think that "Land Beneath the Ground" was one
> of the very first long Barks tales that I ever read.
> 
> Sigvald
> 
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 23:33:51 +0200
> From: "Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr." <sigvald at duckburg.dk>
> Subject: SV: As American as apple pie?
> To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
> Message-ID: <200308152133.h7FLXpm8034462 at webmail.dht.dk>
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> 
> Ole R Nielsen <oleroc at tdcspace.dk> wrote:
> 
> > I have strangely lost recollection of where
> > Barks stated that Scrooge was born in Scotland.
> 
> Barks stated many places that $crooge is of Scottish descendense. His last
> name McDuck shows the same. I haven't found any direct statements from Barks
> that $crooge was actually born in Glasgow, Scotland, but in his foreword to
> Chapter I of Lo$ Don Rosa didn't seem to doubt that that was Barks opinion
> for a moment, so IMO there is no reason what-so-ever to doubt that *fact* -
> unless you for some reason don't appreciate Don Rosa's work and his efforts
> to bring continuity to the Duck-universe.
> 
> Sigvald
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 0:05:00 +0200
> From: "Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr." <sigvald at duckburg.dk>
> Subject: SV: RE: "Life of Pete" again!
> To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
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> 
> David Gerstein wrote:
> 
> > Michael refers to "tying together... 'facts'
> > given in classic stories&quot;. I think when
> > Michael says "classic stories", he MEANS
> > Gottfredson and Murry tales.
> 
> Probably yes, but also remember his embracing of the Italians could lead to
> another conclusion.
> 
> 
> > By the way, I ask you again please not to treat
> > Murry stories as being by Murry only. Murry is
> > an artist. He didn't write them. Carl Fallberg
> > and Don Christensen, among others, wrote many
> > of the best Pete stories drawn by Murry.
> 
> That's off course true. However once I got heavy critics in DCML for asking
> if Murry's status as a great artist should be reconsidered because he didn't
> write stories like Barks, Rosa, Gottfredson, etc. After that I have thought
> much about Murry and have also read many Murry stories - like when I visited
> AC in Denmark this summer. As a result of those studies I have concluded
> that Murry should still be respected as a great artist because he tied
> together many people's stories by giving them one great standard look. Even
> one of the huge white Italian books "Vi Mikke og Langbein" presents stories
> by Murry, just like other books presents stories by Gottfredson and Barks.
> 
> 
> > Romano Scarpa is another great Pete story
> > creator.
> 
> OK, he is very well known and respected anyway.
> 
> 
> >> I am not sure if that would be smart. Marco
> >> Rota once tried to write about Donald's life.
> >> Many people, even here at DCML, think that
> >> he failed because he didn't knew enough about
> >> Barks' views about the relations in the
> >> Duck-family
> >
> > I know a lot of people who think Marco's story
> > is UNUSUAL, and they may not agree with all the
> > points in it, but that's not the same as calling
> > it a total FAILURE.
> 
> I have never called it a "total failure". I have only stated that some
> poeple might think that he faild to respect Barks as a true Barksist.
> 
> 
> >> Furthermore I think that, even though most
> >> often undeserved, Italian Disney comics has,
> >> due to the high output, got an assembly-line
> >> mark on it. I would therefore prefer that a
> >> well qualified American, like our friend
> >> David Gerstein, to do such an important job
> >> - but that's just my thoughts.
> >
> > You could say ANY high output of stories has
> > an assembly-line mark on it to some degree.
> > S-codes, D-codes, H-codes, W-codes, B-codes...
> > the list goes on and on. But all of these
> > production units also make, and have
> > made, a large number of good, classic stories.
> 
> 100% correct. I didn't mean in any way to criticize the italians. They
> produce, and have also produced a lot of great stories.
> 
> 
> >> Anyway the most important issue here IMO,
> >> is that whoever selected to do a "Life of
> >> Pete" should care as much about the works
> > of Gottfredson and/or Murry
> >
> > ...and Romano Scarpa, who IMHO contributed as
> > much to Pete as the other creators you cite.
> 
> OK, even though I like to think of him as an artist that works with the
> Duck-universe.
> 
> 
> > My Egmont colleagues Byron Erickson and
> > Andreas Pihl have also done some excellent
> > Pete stories in recent years.
> 
> I don't doubt that. The question is only how many excellent artist can such
> a tale be based on before the whole project suffers from contradictions and
> chaos?
> 
> I don't know if a project like "The Life of pete" will ever be actual, but
> perhaps you can enlighten us all on how you might have solved such a task if
> you were asked to do it?
> 
> Sigvald
> 
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> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 0:20:00 +0200
> From: "Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr." <sigvald at duckburg.dk>
> Subject: Answer to M.J. Prior
> To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
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> 
> M.J. Prior <M.J.Prior at student.rug.nl> wrote:
> 
> > Yes, what you're saying here is basically:
> > "All Italian artists are bad, because Marco
> > Rota once wrote a story which showed Grandma
> > and $crooge being brother and sister."
> 
> No, what I was actually trying to say is that the Italian artists seems to
> have so strong feelings for their own Disney universe that they seem to
> forget that the American Disney universe is the original and thus IMO most
> correct one in such special cases.
> 
> 
> > But I have to admit, Sigvald, that you *do*
> > seem to try and pick your wordings with greater
> > care and almost without typographical errors.
> 
> Yes, I have realized that I need to be more careful when addressing DCML in
> order to be taken seriously and to avoid causing unwanted trouble. I do hope
> that my efforts do help to reach these goals.
> 
> 
> > And do you see that you're almost the only one
> > here that can get all upset and worked up about
> > something that contradicts Rosa?
> 
> Maybe so, it's sometimes difficult to don't comment such issues when one has
> very clear opinions on these same issues.
> 
> 
> > Please tell us about the things you like,
> > instead of about what you don't like. Do you
> > like Scarpa or Cavazzano? Feel like discussing
> > them?
> 
> I don't know much about this Cavazzano, but are more familiar with Scarpa. I
> like his "The Talisman of Amundsen" story.
> 
> Sigvald
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 1:30:29 +0200
> From: "Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr." <sigvald at duckburg.dk>
> Subject: A constructive mail this time
> To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
> Message-ID: <200308152330.h7FNUTUR034606 at webmail.dht.dk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1";
> 
> Hi all!
> 
> Our Dutch friends Daniel van Eijmeren and M.J. Prior have both in a kind and
> friendly way signalled that I should be positive and focus on what I like -
> rather than what I don’t like, when I address DCML. Personally I think
> that's a very good idea – so let's give it a bit of a try...
> 
> GEMSTONE CODING
> ---------------
> First I have a question about Gemstone. Can Gary Leach or anyone else
> enlighten us about what Gemstone's story- and other codes look like. Is it
> an AR 300-series or something completely different?
> 
> And maybe our friend Harry Fluks can enlighten us about how Gemstone
> publications are coded in the INDUCKS/COA databases.
> 
> 
> PICSOU PIN-UPS
> --------------
> Do any of our French friends here know when there will be printed new
> Pin-Ups in Picsou Magazine again? Or have they already started with that
> again?
> 
> 
> RANKING THE ARTISTS POPULARITY
> ------------------------------
> Lately there has been a dispute about WEB-polls here on DCML. That's not the
> first time I have seen people arguing in somewhat "arrogant" way against
> polls that shows results that they may not like themselves. TV2's
> phone-polls have been met the same way here in Norway.
> 
> Anyway instead of arguing in favour of, or against the value of the nice
> Polish web-poll I have done my own *scientific* popularity check by using
> Google to search for the name of various well-known Disney creators/artists.
> The search was done with the full name of the artists within quote-marks
> like this: "Carl Barks". Here are the results:
> 
> Rank  Artist	    Google-hits   %
> ---------------------------------------
> 1    Carl Barks        25100  (41,1%)
> 2    Don Rosa          12600  (20,6%)
> 3    Vicar*             6850  (11,2%)
> 4    David Gerstein     2790  ( 4,6%)
> 5    Floyd Gottfredson  2280  ( 3,7%)
> 6    Marco Rota         2200  ( 3,6%)
> 7    Romano Scarpa      2080  ( 3,4%)
> 8    William van Horn   1880  ( 3,1%)
> 9    Al Taliaferro      1280  ( 2,1%)
> 10    Olaf Solstrand     1140  ( 1,9%)
> 11    Paul Murry         1110  ( 1,8%)
> 12    Tony Strobl         947  ( 1,6%)
> 13    Freddy Milton       676  ( 1,1%)
> 14    Dan Jippes          106  ( 0,2%)
> ---------------------------------------
> * As Vicar is a very normal word I had to search for "Vicar" + Disney
> 
> Hope this is clarifying when it comes to the ranking-matter.
> 
> Sigvald
> 
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