DCML Digest, Vol 6, Issue 49

[Thomas Andrae]

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On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 11:23 AM, dcml-request at stp.ling.uu.se 
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>    1. Re: What old stories do YOU want to see in print again? (Alecto)
>    2. SV: Question for Sigvald (Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr.)
>    3. Olaf: Norwegian pockets series (M.J. Prior)
>    4. Olaf: "Topolino Noir" (M.J. Prior)
>    5. Re: Olaf: "Topolino Noir" (Stefan Persson)
>    6. Olaf, Michiel: Topolino Noirway (Ole R Nielsen)
>    7. "Business Long Overdue" and other Barks oils (Katie Sullivan)
>    8. Barks Consistency (and consistency in general) (Danehog at aol.com)
>    9. Scrooge's Fortune Calculation (Danehog at aol.com)
>   10. Gemstone Publicity (Danehog at aol.com)
>   11. Re: Question for Sigvald - Walt Kelly (Olivier)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 01:21:52 +1000
> From: Alecto <alecto at goulburn.net.au>
> Subject: Re: What old stories do YOU want to see in print again?
> To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
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> My short list of Barks favourites, in no particular order -
>
> 1. Donald's Monster Kite.
> 2. Tralla La
> 3. Billions to Sneeze At
> 4. The Seven Cities of Cibola
> 5. Flip Decision
> 6. Gladstone's Terrible Secret
> 7. Stranger than Fiction
> 8. A Cold Bargain
> 9. Somethin' Fishy Here
> 10.The Purloined Putty
> 11.Bee Bumbles
> 12.A Stone's Throw From Ghost Town
>
>
> Tony
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:50:43 +0200
> From: "Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr." <sigvald at duckburg.dk>
> Subject: SV: Question for Sigvald
> To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
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> Steve <SBHSN at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Regarding your recent Google-rankings of
>> various Disney artists (regardless of
>> statistical validity it was an interesting
>> exercise), were you surprised at the high
>> hit-count of Walt Kelley?
>
> No not at all! From the previous debate at DCML I learned that he is 
> not
> well known for what he once did for Disney, but because he did promote
> himself by doing this non-Disney Pogo-stuff.
>
> It would be as if the Asterix-creaor Uderzo started doing 
> Disney-stories
> now.
>
> Sigvald
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:57:26 +0200
> From: "M.J. Prior" <M.J.Prior at student.rug.nl>
> Subject: Olaf: Norwegian pockets series
> To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
> Message-ID: <web-8487070 at mail.rug.nl>
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> I guess now I've really said something stupid. Relax,
> Olaf, please don't be upset: I don't now the slightest bit
> about the Norwegian comics situation and yes, I've used
> Inducks to look up the stories in the book I've read, in
> order to see if they had been published in Norway and I
> didn't know that the Norwegian pockets series weren't
> indexed.
>
> "Topolino Noir" is an Italian *book* comprising ten
> Mouse-universe stories, written by Tito Faraci and drawn
> by various Italian artists (Mottura, Cavazzano, Ziche, De
> Vita, Scarpa, Celoni, Mastantonuo). I don't think it will
> be published in this form outside Italy, but most of the
> stories in it have been published in the Dutch and
> Scandinavian pockets series (and now I understand this
> must indeed include Norway). [I suspected the contents of
> these series to be the same for every country and that's
> why I tried to suggest some stories to Sigvald.]
>
>> And, are you saying that NO NINETIES' ITALIAN MICKEY
>> STORIES have been printed in Norway?
>
> No, of course not. I wanted to recommend the stories I've
> read, but I couldn't find their Norwegian publication and
> that's why I asked if Sigvald had read any Italian Mickey
> stories, because he only wrote about Italian Duck stories.
>
> Maybe the Swedish pockets series is roughly equivalent to
> the Norwegian series? Would you be able to find these
> stories if I listed their Swedish publication?
>
> Michiel Prior.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:24:44 +0200
> From: "M.J. Prior" <M.J.Prior at student.rug.nl>
> Subject: Olaf: "Topolino Noir"
> To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
> Message-ID: <web-8487302 at mail.rug.nl>
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> Look!
> http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/dcml/issue/it/TNOIR+1
>
> I TL 2227-5 (PÂ fel sida!) KAP 235
> I TL 2147-1 (LÂng natt fˆr kommissarie KlovÈn) KAP 212
> I TL 2196-1 (PÂ spaning efter tomten) KAGJ 4
> I TL 2296-1 (Geniet i skuggan) J 2000-08
> I TL 2189-1 (Den otrolige Vladimir) KAP 224
> I TL 2238-4 (Svarte Petter som polis) J 1999-06
> I TL 2243-1 (Tidens flod) KAP 239
>
> Olaf: I tried to list the stories from "Topolino Noir" for
> as far as they've been published in Sweden. I don't know
> if this could be of any use to you, especially since I
> could easily have let you look it up yourself, but well,
> here's my list. I especially recommend the last two
> stories.
>
> Michiel Prior.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:35:13 +0200
> From: "Stefan Persson" <reimersholme at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Olaf: "Topolino Noir"
> To: M.J.Prior at student.rug.nl, dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
> Message-ID: <BAY2-F137M9wGmAf0Mj000007b6 at hotmail.com>
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>> From: "M.J. Prior" <M.J.Prior at student.rug.nl>
>> To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>> Subject: Olaf: "Topolino Noir"
>> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:24:44 +0200
>
>> Look! http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/dcml/issue/it/TNOIR+1
>
> Why are you using outdated data from Per's site instead of using COA?  
> Per
> hasn't updated anything for a year, and many files are even two years 
> old!
>
> Stefan
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:36:12 +0200
> From: "Ole R Nielsen" <oleroc at tdcspace.dk>
> Subject: Olaf, Michiel: Topolino Noirway
> To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
> Message-ID: <000801c365a6$d8624040$4f9af33e at OleRoc.opasia.dk>
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> Olaf Solstrand:
>> What? NOW I'm baffled and confused. Not that I'm familiar with the
>> title "Topolino Noir", but if it's so popular I would have guessed it 
>> would
> be
>> out in Norway... And, are you saying that NO NINETIES' ITALIAN MICKEY
> STORIES
>> have been printed in Norway?
>> Hmm... Did you use INDUCKS? If so, please note that most of the
>> Norwegian "Pocketbok"s are not indexed... so they won't be listed. 
>> However,
> if
>> they're published in Sweden or Denmark, they most likely are here as 
>> well.
> Are
>> they?
>
> Indeed. At least seven of these stories have been published in Danish 
> pocket
> books, and presumably also in Norway. I'm not sure about the numbers, 
> but
> you could look for them in  DD Pockets 198, 210, 221, and 225, Onkel 
> Skrue
> 1999-06, and 2000-08, and also a christmas pocket from 1998.
>
>> If not, I'm shocked. Yes, I think old Italian Mickey stories are 
>> good, but
> that
>> doesn't mean I don't want new ones... So what is going on?
>
> The thing is that for a very long time, the pockets have been stuffed 
> with
> duck stories and usually only one Mickey story has been allowed. And a
> couple of years ago this went and became replaced with an 
> Egmont-produced
> one. Not that thay are bad at all, but it's a crying shame, that with 
> the
> 100-page pockets cancelled, there is now absolutely no titles with an 
> open
> slot for an Italian Mickey story in Egmont publications today.
>
>> Not to be rude, Michiel, but... PLEASE tell me you're wrong here. If 
>> more
> than
>> a decade of good stories is hidden from us up here, I can't really 
>> seem to
>> figure out why. So... Could it be that you have read wrong (or that 
>> INDUCKS
> let
>> you down), or is the Norwegian cimic situation really that bad?
>
> As you can probably figure by (real) statistical analysis, we are 
> currently
> only getting a small fraction of what appears in Italian publications, 
> week
> in and week out, and not necessarily the most exciting bits: the Egmont
> pocket books seem to rumble along in a very conservative manner, with 
> little
> room for experiments. Most sadly, it would appear that Gemstone's 
> Take-Along
> books are limited to taking material from these. It will be 
> interesting to
> see how the response to readers' requests will be, compared to the old
> Gladstone days.
>
> Michiel made only a small, but all to common logical error these days:
> Assuming that unsuccesful research proves something not to exist. In 
> this
> case, not due to lack of diligence in searching, but incomplete inducks
> data. Let that be a lesson to you all.
>
>
> It is ironical under these circumstances to repeat my challenge: can 
> anyone
> find a Barks reference placing Scrooge's birth or childhood in 
> Scotland?
>
> -- Ole
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:47:28 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Katie Sullivan <vazali at yahoo.com>
> Subject: "Business Long Overdue" and other Barks oils
> To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
> Message-ID: <20030818164728.77464.qmail at web41510.mail.yahoo.com>
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> Daniel wrote:
>> I like "Business Long Overdue" (75-15) very much.
>> http://www.sullivanet.com/duckburg/barksoils/reunionoil.jpg
>> It's one of my most favourite Barks paintings.
>
> Mine too!  I have a print of it framed over the bureau in my
> bedroom!  ^_^
> (I also have a print of "Nobody's Spending Fool" above my bed!,
> right below the "Hearts of the Yukon" lithograph that came with
> my Gladstone Lo$ album.  ;)
>
> This sounds like a good topic for others to add to.  What if any
> Disney comic art do you have permanently displayed in your house
> or office?
>
>
> Katie Sullivan
> http://www.sullivanet.com/
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:51:32 -0400
> From: Danehog at aol.com
> Subject: Barks Consistency (and consistency in general)
> To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
> Message-ID: <40F63A18.2CEFB622.00162112 at aol.com>
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> Nils wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> Did that make any sense at all? If not, I'm sorry. It's
>> late but I just
>> had to get this off my chest.
>
> Actually, it made *perfect* sense, thanks! It's exactly what I was 
> trying to say with some of my earlier, badly-written, half-baked 
> contributions. (Using a period instead of a question mark? Writing 
> "factuation" instead of "infactuation?" What is happening to me?)
>
> These are *comic books*... *Disney* comic books. The inconsistencies 
> are part of the fun--an open-ended fun that should be interpreted in 
> various ways. I don't see why everything has to have such a strict 
> continuity when there really isn't a true *reason* to. Barks molded 
> and shaped his Duck "universe" (I'm really, really getting sick of 
> that word) as he went along, and there's no reason why artists can't 
> go in the directions they wish to--and contradict them!
>
> I know this topic has been beaten to death by a large mallet, and I'm 
> not helping, but I didn't want to interfere with the Mallet Universe, 
> because it was established that all mallets are round instead of 
> square, and I thought they were square, and Fawn Losa wanted to base 
> his round mallet vision off the round mallet vision of the original 
> creator. I hope no one was deeply offended.
> -- 
> Dane
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:56:05 -0400
> From: Danehog at aol.com
> Subject: Scrooge's Fortune Calculation
> To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
> Message-ID: <1E471736.5A25431F.00162112 at aol.com>
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>
> Sigvald wrote:
>
>> Hi all!
>>
>> I just recieved he following very interesting mail in my
>> Yahoo-mail box:
>
> [snip]
>
> Is it just me, or have I seen something very similiar to this in an 
> old letter column? Anyway, although this makes absolutely no sense to 
> me because math is the spawn of Satan himself, I can appreciate the 
> time and effort put into such calculations, although the entire idea 
> that someone would sit down and figure out such a thing kind of scares 
> me.
>
> Still, I'm all for bizarre calculations and whatnot.
>
> The real question is: how many times did Donald mentally and 
> physically abuse Huey, Duey, and Louie before 1951?
> -- 
> Dane
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 14:11:01 -0400
> From: Danehog at aol.com
> Subject: Gemstone Publicity
> To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
> Message-ID: <3CDA55F6.02377ADF.00162112 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> John Lustig wrote:
>
>> Recently, there was a very nice article in the Canadian Post 
>> newspaper about the return of Disney Comics to North America. Both 
>> Steve Geppi and William Van Horn. You can read it at:
>>
>> http://www.nationalpost.com/artslife/story.html?id=BC47AB52-
>> 1C9D-48C8-B6A8-4381A9192CD9
>
> Great! It's nice to see that *some* effort is being put out to 
> advertise the new Gemstone books, although I really wish Disney itself 
> could have done *something* to advertise the comics, such as placing 
> posters and/or free brochures in the Disney Store.
>
> Still, it's nice to see newspaper articles such as the one you 
> mentioned. Thanks for sharing it!
> -- 
> Dane
>
> (I apologize if this message happened to show up twice. I'm 
> temporarily using a Web site-based e-mail system that's... unreliable, 
> to say the least, while I'm at my grandparents'.)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:23:14 +0200
> From: "Olivier" <mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr>
> Subject: Re: Question for Sigvald - Walt Kelly
> To: "x DCML" <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
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> Hi!
>
>>>> No not at all! From the previous debate at DCML I learned that he 
>>>> is not
>>>> well known for what he once did for Disney, but because he did 
>>>> promote
>>>> himself by doing this non-Disney Pogo-stuff.
>
> a/ Kelly did draw many covers for the Disney comics
> b/ Kelly did not "promote himself" any more than Barks or Gottfredson 
> or
> anyone did
> c/ please don't use such phrases as "this non-Disney Pogo-Stuff": it 
> is very
> disparaging. Like Gottfredson's mouse and Barks' ducks, and to an even
> greater extent actually, Pogo was not dumb funny animal comics "stuff"
>
>
>>>> It would be as if the Asterix-creaor Uderzo started doing 
>>>> Disney-stories
> now.
>
> Nope. Kelly didn't make such drastic a change; like Barks' DD & U$, 
> Pogo was
> an excellent strip with characters that happened to be animals instead 
> of
> humans (to paraphrase a well-known duck author/artist).
>
>
> As I've said previously, try and find some Pogo strips (in a library? 
> on the
> web?): you will discover an immense comic strip author/artist and find 
> a new
> source of  joy.
>
>
> Olivier
>
>
>
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