Vol 8, Issue 12(Barks and Fethry)

Sun Oct 5 21:32:47 CEST 2003

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Micky Mouse - 75th anniversary (Olivier)
   2. Re: Mickey's Birthday and The State of Duck Fandom in the
      States (Olivier)
   3. Re: DCML Digest, Vol 8, Issue 11 (YMH at aol.com)
   4. Re: Secondary characters (KUR)
   5. Secondary characters (David Gerstein)
   6. Re: Secondary characters (Stefan Persson)
   7. Re: Secondary characters (Jonathan H. Gray)
   8. Re: Secondary characters (Stefan Persson)
   9. confusion, nostalgia and misc. (Katie Sullivan)
  10. RE: DCML Digest, Vol 8, Issue 11 (Fabio Blanco)

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From: "Olivier" <mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr>
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Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 12:44:39 +0200
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Sigvald:

>>>> I just read in the foreword in the huge white book "Jeg, Mikke Mus"
that
>>> Mickey's debut in "Steamboat Willie" took place on September 19th 1928.

Darndarndarndarndarn! How could I miss it?! I've been hinking all year long
that i would ahve to do something for Mickey's 75th anniversary, and when
the time came, work made me forget about it! :( :( :(

Wait--
In "The Hand Behind the Mouse-- An intimate biography of  Ub Iwerks [...]"
(Leslie Iwerks & John Kenworthy), I see (p 70):
"Steamboat Willie debuted on November 18, 1928, at the Colony Theater in New
York City."

In September, Walt was still supervising the music sessions in New York (p
69).

*sigh*   I knew I still had a little time to think of  at least a little
something.

Olivier

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From: "Olivier" <mouse-ducks at wanadoo.fr>
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Matthew:

>>> Oh boy, I know this one!  I feel so important!  Mickey's birthday is
>>> actually November 18.  At least that's what the Walt Disney Studio says
NOW.
>>> I know a lot of books published overseas or in America before the
>>> mid-eighties say Sept. 18.  Do any of the rest of you know why this is?
I
>>> know the Studio likes to engage in revisionist history from time to
time!

Well, "The Hand Behind the Mouse" (quoted in my previous message) was
co-written by Iwerks' granddaughter and, more significantly, quotes letters
from Walt Disney himself  discussing the recording sessions in New York.
The musicians had trouble synchonizing with the picture. Iwerks eventually
designed a bouncing ball system to help them.
"When Carl Stalling arrived in New York on October 26, 1928, [...] he found
that Steamboat Wilie was done and in the can."

I think this is a pretty reliable source. And anyway, even though the issue
Mickey's creation was confused for some time, I don't see what interest
anyone would have to cheat about something as easy to check as the
premiere's date. Other studios were developing a similar process, but
Disney's sound cartoon was the first to be released.

Olivier

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From: YMH at aol.com
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I'm one of those, as a result of DuckTales.

I also once had an astounded "CARL BARKS invented communism?!?" conversation 
in early high school. :-)

-Yossi

In a message dated 10/5/2003 6:02:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
dcml-request at stp.ling.uu.se writes:
are very many of you out there who are American
AND were hooked into the comics in the eighties or afterwards?

This is a little off-topic, but let me share it anyway!  I teach freshmen
English courses at a state university and I often ask my students out of
curiosity, "How many of you have heard who Carl Barks is?"  Usually about
five folks raise their hands.  Then I explain that The Communist Manifesto
was written by some other guy.  Sigh.
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From: "KUR" <ggk at wp.pl>
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Subject: Re: Secondary characters
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 15:57:14 +0200
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> My personal opinion is:
> a) Fethry Duck should be replaced by a character like Glittering Goldie=
,
> John D. Rockerduck, Jos=E9 Carioca or even with Arpin Lus=E9ne.

You men chareckter's theat don't aperd to often?
Fethry isn't a chareckter like dis. I now Carl Barks never use him and Do=
n
Rosa use him only in his familly tree but exept theat Fethry aperd In
hundret's of storys. Disame gouse to Jose and Rockerduck.
Is theat and your maind?

Yours
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From: David Gerstein <ramapith at mail.dk>
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Subject: Secondary characters
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 16:25:53 +0100
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    Hey Sigvald,

> [A Stavanger Aftenblad article written by a friend of mine] presented s=
ome of
> the Secondary characters in the Disney's comics universes [...] These
> characters were mentioned:
> The favourites [and] the "hate" characters [...]
> My personal opinion is [that some characters on each list should be rep=
laced
> by other characters...]

    Interesting stuff, Sigvald, but I'm not entirely clear on the point o=
f
your friend's article.
    Is he attempting to speak for MOST Norwegian Disney readers when he
defines "favorite" and "hated" characters? Or is he simply writing a
personal memoir, talking about the characters he HIMSELF likes and hates?
    If he's really trying to speak for MOST readers, I'm a little
disappointed=8B because IMHO, speaking for most readers isn't a good thin=
g for
any single person to try to do.
    For example, your friend puts Fethry and Chief O' Hara on the favorit=
es
list, but I know many who would act differently (you yourself, for instan=
ce,
in the case of Fethry).

> My personal opinion is:
> a) Fethry Duck should be replaced by a character like Glittering Goldie=
,
> John D. Rockerduck, Jos=E9 Carioca [...]

    I'm a big Fethry fan, so I'd leave Fethry on my own list; but I
certainly agree with you on Jos=E9, who's also one of my own favorites.

> The last comment leads to a new question. Do anyone here know for sure =
if
> Horace Horsecollar is in love with Clarabelle Cow despite the fact that=
 they
> are of different species (horse and cow)?

    In film cartoons and Gottfredson stories, Horace and Clarabelle were
shown as a romantic couple throughout the 1930s. In 1932, the Mickey
newspaper strip had Horace and Clarabelle engaged and openly planning to =
be
married, though the marriage never actually took place (characters just
stopped talking about it).
    More recently, Horace and Clarabelle don't date "exclusively": since =
the
1940s, Clarabelle has often romantically chased other men (at times, even
Goofy) in various creators' stories. But Clarabelle and Horace still tend=
 to
date each other often, too.
    In a recent Egmont story by Byron Erickson, Horace and Clarabelle
temporarily broke up after a bad argument. Clarabelle then invited Goofy =
to
lunch, just to make Horace jealous. Today's Egmont Clarabelle isn't reall=
y
in love with Goofy, and Horace probably knows that-- but Horace is also
insecure, egotistical and touchy, so he got jealous anyway (as Clarabelle
surely knew he would do!).
    Goofy, who considers himself friends with everyone, appeared not to
really understand what was going on.

    David

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From: "Stefan Persson" <reimersholme at hotmail.com>
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Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 17:48:17 +0200
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>From: "KUR" <ggk at wp.pl>
>To: "Sigvald Gr=F8sfjeld jr." <sigvald at duckburg.dk>,   "Disney Comics Ma=
iling=20
>List" <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
>Subject: Re: Secondary characters
>Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 15:57:14 +0200

>You men chareckter's theat don't aperd to often?
>Fethry isn't a chareckter like dis. I now Carl Barks never use him and D=
on
>Rosa use him only in his familly tree but exept theat Fethry aperd In
>hundret's of storys.

Didn't Barks use him in a one-page story?

Stefan

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From: "Jonathan H. Gray" <jongraywb at hotmail.com>
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>
>>You men chareckter's theat don't aperd to often?
>>Fethry isn't a chareckter like dis. I now Carl Barks never use him and Don
>>Rosa use him only in his familly tree but exept theat Fethry aperd In
>>hundret's of storys.
>
>Didn't Barks use him in a one-page story?

I do believe that was Ludwig Von Drake. Someone whom I'd love to see used 
again in the future...

I kinda miss the Ludwig Von Droke WDCS stories Disney did at one point. ^_^

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From: "Stefan Persson" <reimersholme at hotmail.com>
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Ah, yes, I probably mixed them up.

>From: "Jonathan H. Gray" <jongraywb at hotmail.com>
>To: reimersholme at hotmail.com
>Subject: Re: Secondary characters
>Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 11:01:01 -0500
>
>
>
>>
>>>You men chareckter's theat don't aperd to often?
>>>Fethry isn't a chareckter like dis. I now Carl Barks never use him and=
=20
>>>Don
>>>Rosa use him only in his familly tree but exept theat Fethry aperd In
>>>hundret's of storys.
>>
>>Didn't Barks use him in a one-page story?
>
>I do believe that was Ludwig Von Drake. Someone whom I'd love to see use=
d=20
>again in the future...
>
>I kinda miss the Ludwig Von Droke WDCS stories Disney did at one point. =
^_^
>

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From: Katie Sullivan <vazali at yahoo.com>
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> From: "Stefan Persson" <reimersholme at hotmail.com>
> Please refer to one of your earlier mails from yesterday where
> you point to 
> a scan of it at Sigvald's site.

I responded to this in an e-mail to you yesterday, but as I
didn't get a reply I'll just repeat here... I have no idea what
you're talking about.  *After* I sent the message asking for the
scan, I sent a message saying "never mind, I found it here" with
a link.  You seem to think the messages were sent in the reverse
order or something.  I may be scatterbrained sometimes but I'm
not THAT clueless to forget an image from just the day before. 
o_0  Your reply really confused me.  Sorry to clutter the list
with this.

> From: "Matthew Williams" <kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net>
>  I think I can speak for many American Disney Comics
> fans when I
> say that I am quite jealous of our European and international
> brethren!

Oh, me too!  I'm terribly jealous.  Aside from my father and a
couple of his friends, and perhaps the fellow who runs the local
comic book store, no one that I know even knows who Carl Barks
or Don Rosa are.  I was thrilled when my Asian literature
professor knew (and liked) Carl Barks!  It's terribly sad how
few people know these comics.

> At any rate, I've always gotten the impression that as
> twenty-six year old
> American, I was something of a minority among Disney comic
> fans and that
> most American fans were hooked by reading the original
> editions of Barks's
> works.

I definitely agree.  I'm 23, and I've only met ONE person of my
generation who knows who Barks, Rosa, Van Horn, et al are.  My
father and a couple of his friends got hooked as kids reading
Barks in the old days.  I became a fan because my dad read his
old comics to me.  But I'm lonely as the only fan my age in
these parts!  ;)

>  What I would like to ask (and I don't want to delve
> into anyone's
> personal space) is if there are very many of you out there who
> are American
> AND were hooked into the comics in the eighties or afterwards?

Well, I got hooked in around 1984, but I was only four then,
so...  ;)

> This is a little off-topic, but let me share it anyway!  I
> teach freshmen
> English courses at a state university and I often ask my
> students out of
> curiosity, "How many of you have heard who Carl Barks is?" 
> Usually about
> five folks raise their hands.  Then I explain that The
> Communist Manifesto
> was written by some other guy.  Sigh.

LOL!!!!  Oh dear, that's terrible.  But very amusing.  Besides,
Marx had far more hair, and his writing is not nearly as
entertaining.  ;)

> From: Larry Giver <lgiver at pacbell.net>
>        In this same story, Scrooge's secretary is called
> Quackfaster in
> Part 1, page 4, panel 6, while in Part 2, page 1, panel 2,
> Scrooge
> calls her "Ms. Typefast".  I think Gary Leach posted here that
> Gemstone planned to consistently use the name Ms. Quackfaster
> for
> Scrooge's secretary.  

I noticed that!  I prefer "Quackfaster" but I can live with
either, as long as it's consistent.

Katie Sullivan
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From: "Fabio Blanco" <longtom at oeste.com.ar>
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That was Groucho Marx. With help of his friends, Lennon and Stanley and ano=
ther Liverpool's maximalists... =

  I also once had an astounded "CARL BARKS invented communism?!?" conversat=
ion in early high school. :-)

  -Yossi

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