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From: Katie Sullivan <vazali at yahoo.com>
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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 12:28:06 -0700 (PDT)
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> Could Brigitta be the answer to Don Rosa's recent question on
> this list:
> 
> > The only thing that's needed is a villain who wants nothing
> that $crooge
> > has and is actually a really nice fella who would never
> steal a cent from
> > anyone who can't afford it and wouldn't harm a fly. Who
> would that be?


That was a rhetorical question that Rosa answered himself in the
same post.  He was referring to Arpin Lusene, the Black Knight. 
(Plus, "fellow" or "fella" is almost always a male in English.)


Although seeing Brigitta as a villain...now there's an
interesting thought!  I playfully loathe her because she's a
threat to the Scrooge & Goldie relationship, but if not for that
I'd think she was a fun character.  ;)


> You're right, he generally treats so as if she was a
> "goldigger", but deep
> inside he knows well that she's not. 

How was Brigitta introduced?  What was the first story in which
she appeared?  I thought it was "The Last Balaboo" but at least
in the Gladstone version I have she wasn't exactly "introduced."
 She just sort of appeared like she'd always been a part of the
duck universe.  Is there a story that explains how she met
Scrooge and first fell for him?

 
> well, actually, of course, nothing
> really changes,
> because nothing CAN change it being a Disney comic 

True.  Although sometimes change would be a good thing.
*grumble grumble Daisy's ridiculous bow grumble grumble*  ;)

> (you can't
> see Scrooge
> and Brigitta get married (*)),

Thank goodness.  Goldie would kill her!  ;)


> (*) Actually they DID get married once, or almost ;-) in a
> story by Massimo
> De Vita though, not by Scarpa... but I guess it's the best
> non-Scarpa
> Brigitta story ever written.

Yes, but from what I understand of that story it wasn't a purely
romantic gesture on Scrooge's part.  You can certainly argue
that he is fond of her, in his own way, but he didn't ask to
marry her because he loved her.  He did that to get a bunch of
land he wanted for his latest business venture.  (I do have a
scan of that story in Spanish somewhere, which I can more or
less understand.)

Of course, to be fair, if Scrooge had lured Goldie that close to
the altar for any reason, even the abovementioned motivation, I
would be a quivering puddle of glee.  So I'm horribly biased. 
;)



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From: Katie Sullivan <vazali at yahoo.com>
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I have a favor to ask.  Does anyone have a copy of Zio Paperone
118, and if so could you scan the cover and send it to me?

What I'm interested in is getting my hands on these images by
Marco Rota:

http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/IC+ZP++118//_

http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/IC+ZP++118B//_



I also would love to see the cover of Zio Paperone 143

http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/IC+ZP++143//_


Many, many thanks to whomever can help me!  :)


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Geir J. Netland <gjn at netcom.no> wrote:

>> and here - beautifuly colored by
>> Geir J. Netland:
>
> I'm afraid it's not my work, Sigvald.
> And I don't know *who* the artist is.

As far as I can remember I got gif from you where only the characters were
colored. I did add the background coloring myself.

Sigvald

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From: Katie Sullivan <vazali at yahoo.com>
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Okay, I promise I'll stop begging for scans after this e-mail,
but I HAVE to see this:


http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/XSC+NK+31//_

Finland 
Ankkalinnan Pamaus 6 * (2001)
Sweden 
NAFS(k)uriren 31 (2001)

Described as a picture by Don Rosa of "US on white horse saving
Goldie from BB."  I absolutely MUST see what this is!  It sounds
like something that needs to be posted on my wall!  ;)


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From: Katie Sullivan <vazali at yahoo.com>
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http://duckman.pettho.com/sc_cover/v_nafsk31.html

:-D


I love this!!!!!

I'll stop spamming the list with my ramblings now. ;)


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Subject: Micky Mouse - 75th anniversary
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 22:29:56 +0200
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Hi all!

I just read in the foreword in the huge white book "Jeg, Mikke Mus" that
Mickey's debut in "Steamboat Willie" took place on September 19th 1928. This
means that Mickey's 75th anniversary took place or started 15 days ago.
However so far I have not seen any kind of Mickey anniversarybook,
anniversarybooklet, anniversarymagazine or anything else published here in
Norway by Egmont to celebrate this anniversary. Is the situation the same in
other countries? And does anyone here know if we will see any such
anniversary stuff soon?

Sigvald

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From: "Daniel J. Neyer" <jerryblake2 at juno.com>
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Sigvald writes, in re myself:
>Anyway I now think the
>reason is that he's reffering to the stories he grew up with some
decades
>ago - before modern creators like Don Rosa, William van Horn, etc. were
>active.

Actually, I'm a young whippersnapper (turned 19 in August). The only
reason I didn't mention Rosa was because I couldn't think of any stories
of his that showed Scrooge living away from the Money Bin. Someone has
mentioned ISLAND AT THE EDGE OF TIME, and now I recall that Rosa did show
Scrooge "at home" in that story. But as I remember, he didn't show in
detail what Scrooge's home actually looked like. Neither did Barks in the
Old Man Fox story, come to think of it. What do any of you think: Would
Scrooge live in a mansion (for status purposes, such as one-upping
Glomgold and other rival tycoons) or a more modest dwelling?
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From: "Lars Jensen" <lpj at forfatter.dk>
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Chris Barat writes:

>>     In truth, DuckTales was not the first forum to single out one
>> nephew for special treatment in a story. An early Barks ten-pager
>> [...]
>
> I was thinking specifically of ADVENTURE STORIES in this case.  In the
> gold-finding machine story and the Taliaferro strips, one Nephew is
> allowed to stand out "in relief" from the others for the purposes of a
> quick gag... not surprising given the potential for humorous
> disagreements, etc.  In "Sons of the Moon," Louie got to experience an
> adventure ON HIS OWN.
>
> I can't think of any other pre-"DT" ADVENTURE wherein one Nephew gets
> such a prominent "solo" role.

(I'm confining myself to Barks examples in this posting.)

In "Donald Duck and the Mummy's Ring" (Four Color 29, 1943), Huey is
trapped inside a mummy case and taken to Egypt. Donald and the other two
nephews go on a search for him.

Matthew Williams wrote:

> Anyway, I think you write off Chris Barat's assertion that
> individualizing Huey, Dewey, and Louie was first a DuckTales
> phenomenon too quickly.  While I remember that the Taliaferro strips
> sometimes feature one nephew instigating mischief without the help of
> his brothers, I don't remember any pre-1987 stories or cartoons where
> it was suggested that one nephew had an aptitude or personality trait
> that the other two didn't have.

In "Ten-Star Generals" (WDC 132, 1951), one of the boys is an expert in
archery, another in canoe-building and the third in life-saving. In this
story, at least, they seem to have different aptitudes.

> While, of course, featuring the nephews by themselves happened in
> many, many pre-DuckTales stories and while one of the kids might
> sometimes take some sort of action that the other two don't, I can't
> think of a single pre-DuckTales story where it was suggested that the
> ducklings had individual MINDS.

In "Back to the Klondike" (Four Color 456, 1953), there is a scene where
the nephews confront the "mystery woman" who has been keeping Scrooge
away from his claim. While Huey and Dewey listen to her describing the
tough life she has been living, Louie breaks ranks and run off to tell
Scrooge they've captured her, much to his brothers' surprise. Obviously,
the boys' minds are *not* in tune in this situation.

> Individualizing the lads' personalities just seems like a natural idea
> that wasn't tried earlier because the studio wouldn't have approved
> before they themselves broke the rules.

Well, it's a natural idea for a one-off situation. Individualizing the
nephews doesn't really work on a permanent basis, in my opinion.

Lars



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Hi all!

Last Saturday (September 26th), the local news paper, Stavanger Aftenblad
had an interesting Disney-related article in its magazine "Stavanger
Aftenblad Puls". This article presented some of the Secondary characters =
in
the Disney's comics universes, as they are known in Norway from "Donald D=
uck
& Co". The article is written by a friend of mine that I studied together
with for one year in the late 1980's.

These characters were mentioned:

The favourites:
---------------
1) Magica de Spell
2) Gladstone gander
3) The Phantom Blot
4) Black Pete
5) Gyro Gearloose
6) Idgit the Midget (mentioned without Dangerous Dan McBoo.)
7) Fethry Duck
8) Super Goof
9) Flintheart Glomgold
10) Shief O'Hara

The "hate" characters
---------------
1) Little "Bad" Wolf
2) Horace Horsecollar (presented as a mysterious cow who is quit possibly=
 in
love with Clarabelle Cow.)
3) Hiawatha

------------------------------

What do you think about this?

My personal opinion is:
a) Fethry Duck should be replaced by a character like Glittering Goldie,
John D. Rockerduck, Jos=E9 Carioca or even with Arpin Lus=E9ne.
b) Idgit the Midghet should have been mentioned together with his compani=
on
Dangerous Dan McBoo.
c) Horace Horsecollar should be swapped with Eega Beeva.
d) Horace Horsecollar is a horse, not a cow.

The last comment leads to a new question. Do anyone here know for sure if
Horace Horsecollar is in love with Clarabelle Cow despite the fact that t=
hey
are of different species (horse and cow)?

And by the way, what is the correct definition "secondary characters"?

Sigvald

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Daniel J. Neyer <jerryblake2 at juno.com> wrote:

>> Anyway I now think the reason is that he's
>> reffering to the stories he grew up with
>> some decades ago - before modern creators
>> like Don Rosa, William van Horn, etc. were
>> active.
>
> Actually, I'm a young whippersnapper (turned 19
> in August). The only reason I didn't mention
> Rosa was because I couldn't think of any stories
> of his that showed Scrooge living away from the
> Money Bin.

Oh, oh!! It seems that I have mistaken you for another nice person who
actually mailed me a while ago telling me that he didn't knew Don Rosa as
well as Barks because it was Barks' stories he grew up with some decades
ago. I am very, very sorry for any incenvenience I may have caused for you
here at DCML, lately.

I think your topic is indeed very interesting and can add that "Island at
the Edge of Time" is not the only story in where Don Rosa shows that $crooge
leaves the Money Bin during the night. This also happens in "Gyro's Beagle
Trap" (1995):
http://duckman.pettho.com/gallery/v_beagletrap.html

Thus in Don Rosa's universe $crooge has a place away from the Money Bin in
where he can stay for the night. We know that this is *not* the mansion
showed in "Christmas in Bear Mountain". Based on this I can think of a few
possible locations of such an extra sleeping quarter:
a) The downtown "bin" showed in "The Pied Piper of Duckburg" (1990).
b) The McDuck tower showed in "Insident at McDuck Tower" (1991).
c) One of his local hotels.

Sigvald

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